WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.230 --> 00:00:06.020 Shannon Putman: Yellow everybody, and welcome to another thrilling episode of Putin's podcast. 00:00:06.020 --> 00:00:06.440 Pops. 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:08.480 Thank you for joining us here at the Pop. 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:11.450 I have a special, wonderful. 00:00:11.530 --> 00:00:12.820 Treat for you today. 00:00:12.850 --> 00:00:21.730 We have Jonathan Teskey, the CEO of Reframe, and instead of me babbling on about it, I'm gonna let him explain to you what that actually is. 00:00:21.730 --> 00:00:22.840 Jonathan, welcome. 00:00:22.840 --> 00:00:24.010 Thank you for joining us. 00:00:24.375 --> 00:00:25.635 Jonathan Teske: Thanks for having us. 00:00:25.635 --> 00:00:27.225 Thanks for having me, and thank you for having reframe. 00:00:27.305 --> 00:00:29.625 Yeah I mean, I'll just jump into who we are. 00:00:29.625 --> 00:00:34.775 You know, we're a real time immersive learning platform that helps any teacher transform classrooms into mixed reality. 00:00:34.845 --> 00:00:36.220 I mean, that's really what it is. 00:00:36.250 --> 00:00:38.110 We're a platform that empowers teachers. 00:00:38.505 --> 00:00:47.725 But ideally trying to bring immersive learning more to an embodied, I would say group approach to experiential learning and using immersive technologies to do that. 00:00:48.935 --> 00:00:49.985 Shannon Putman: Wonderful. 00:00:50.195 --> 00:00:56.255 So you threw around some buzzwords and if everybody's listened to the pop, hopefully they've got their vernacular down now. 00:00:56.255 --> 00:01:01.185 But I know that you mentioned that you were a mixed reality learning platform. 00:01:01.215 --> 00:01:06.105 So can you kind of just explain a little bit for any nubs that might not know exactly what that is? 00:01:06.515 --> 00:01:07.835 Jonathan Teske: Yes, welcome nubs. 00:01:07.885 --> 00:01:08.665 We need more of you. 00:01:08.915 --> 00:01:18.175 I would say the core difference is, you know, in, in virtual reality as a medium you disappear from the world and you exist in a different, in virtual environment. 00:01:18.175 --> 00:01:20.005 Much like if you were encapsulated into a video game. 00:01:20.470 --> 00:01:27.460 In mixed reality, we say you are continuing in pass through, which means you see the world as you experience the technology. 00:01:27.490 --> 00:01:28.360 That's the medium. 00:01:28.410 --> 00:01:30.000 So if we had spectrums of. 00:01:30.735 --> 00:01:34.995 Realities, virtual, be fully immersive, augmented would just be an overlay. 00:01:34.995 --> 00:01:38.715 And mixed realities in between kinda interacts with your world as well as yourself. 00:01:38.715 --> 00:01:51.825 And so we exist in the middle of that spectrum in mixed reality where you always see other people with different virtual environments or virtuals, virtual activities or objects or interactions that you're interacting with. 00:01:52.275 --> 00:01:56.055 And, you walk around with your physical feet, which is always a good thing. 00:01:56.415 --> 00:01:57.575 And that's really the core difference. 00:01:57.575 --> 00:01:57.815 Yeah. 00:01:58.805 --> 00:02:04.505 Shannon Putman: So what inspired you and reframe, wanting to go with the mixed reality route? 00:02:04.605 --> 00:02:09.105 You know, were you ever in a classroom, you know, had you seen the need for it personally? 00:02:10.185 --> 00:02:11.235 Jonathan Teske: Leading lead. 00:02:11.235 --> 00:02:11.505 Great. 00:02:11.505 --> 00:02:12.315 Leading questions here. 00:02:12.555 --> 00:02:12.920 Well, yes. 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:14.720 So for everyone's background it doesn't know about me. 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.425 I, I. Was a teacher for 10 years here in Montgomery County, Maryland. 00:02:18.425 --> 00:02:21.445 My main background is teaching English as a second language. 00:02:21.475 --> 00:02:24.985 Born outta my experience living abroad in many different countries before I was 13. 00:02:25.325 --> 00:02:37.315 And just realizing that the student populations that I was teaching were becoming less and less of what I looked and sounded like, but I empathized with them more because of my experience having to live abroad and acculturate and learn a language every two years. 00:02:37.595 --> 00:02:38.705 And just feeling like an outsider. 00:02:39.135 --> 00:02:42.195 Made me feel like I needed to give back to that population. 00:02:42.195 --> 00:02:51.965 So I bring a lot of that ESL background teaching around thinking about the four domains of language and how that's really important to drive any type of academic learning. 00:02:52.285 --> 00:03:03.325 And then why we chose mixed reality is essentially talking to thousands of teachers while at meta prior to reframe, leading a lot of that work and then even to reframe we felt that. 00:03:03.850 --> 00:03:12.310 The core technology we wanted to use was one that would facilitate conversation, collaboration, sorry, in the real world without having to disappear from it. 00:03:12.310 --> 00:03:21.080 And that really helps us empower the teacher, I think, in ways that are more focused on not having to change their teaching behaviors and pedagogy, but really focused on. 00:03:21.770 --> 00:03:35.860 Reinforcing that really good teacher backed research backed pedagogy around looking over a student's shoulder, knowing more about students when you wanna provide insights having students collaborate and conversate without having to disappear to a world to talk to another student two feet away from you. 00:03:36.140 --> 00:03:37.670 We really wanted to lean into. 00:03:38.195 --> 00:03:42.635 99.9% of students are still in a brick and mortar classroom, and that's not a bad thing. 00:03:42.855 --> 00:03:45.615 The social dynamics of the classroom are features not bugs. 00:03:45.665 --> 00:03:47.505 They're valuable to that space. 00:03:47.895 --> 00:03:58.412 And so how do we bring parts of the medium of these realities into that space that for us and for the folks that use us, find us more accessible in, in, in doing so. 00:03:59.657 --> 00:04:12.577 Shannon Putman: And you mentioned the educator a lot in, in, in your description, and I think that's important to note because something that I've been seeing and I think you have as well, is that the industry thinks in education, we're a lot further along. 00:04:12.787 --> 00:04:23.117 In our vr, ar mixed reality journey, and we're not, and a lot of teachers have never even put a headset on, you know, let alone the students as well. 00:04:23.117 --> 00:04:28.147 So, how is it that utilizing mixed reality can be less intimidating? 00:04:28.147 --> 00:04:37.117 Because I know that it is, but how, for a teacher that might be, you know, nervous to put on a headset, why does mixed reality make that whole transition easier? 00:04:37.837 --> 00:04:44.197 Jonathan Teske: Yeah, I mean, I think you've nailed, I mean, this is, I like to tell everyone that, you know, 99.9% of people have never been in a headset. 00:04:44.287 --> 00:04:47.767 And then, so your subset in education is teachers and students. 00:04:48.067 --> 00:05:02.372 And I think I would also say too you know, I think I. The industry is a little bit culpable here of mixing and matching education and learning and different environments, and it's always a catchall and really what has. 00:05:02.792 --> 00:05:26.002 Progressed, I think a lot in the space from an educational lens with XR is primarily VR for simulation and workforce training in different B2B and enterprise verticals, but not in, I would consider hard e you know, education hard e capitalized education, which to me is K 12 where you're really setting the foundations for students to go be great, you know, lifelong learners and really important workers in the workforce. 00:05:26.452 --> 00:05:26.842 But. 00:05:27.292 --> 00:05:32.252 A lot of that has, I think when you hear about all this, you know, oh man, RN education has really taken off. 00:05:32.762 --> 00:05:38.432 I do think it's continuing to take off, but it is continuing to make sure we take the right steps forward. 00:05:38.712 --> 00:05:46.402 And so for anyone wanting to dip their toes in, you know, I think mixed reality is the best and I think will be the most used default medium in the space. 00:05:46.402 --> 00:06:03.847 I think VR in a class, in a physical K 12 classroom and to an extent higher ed, will still be useful, but I still think it'll be more of a knife, like a, like something to slice really quickly with that you need to like, get to a point and then you're gonna be brought back into mixed reality and kind of spatial computing, you know, the same terms to exist in the real world. 00:06:03.967 --> 00:06:07.777 And that's because the cognitive load is lower, you know, for people in general, right. 00:06:07.777 --> 00:06:13.567 We do we onboarded a bunch of teachers two months ago and multiple teachers came up to me. 00:06:13.967 --> 00:06:16.247 I get nauseous in vr and I'm like, okay. 00:06:16.967 --> 00:06:25.187 Let's put on a headset, you know, and they their hesitancy and it's typically always ask, the follow up question I always ask is, well, did you do a VR rollercoaster simulator 00:06:25.682 --> 00:06:26.792 Shannon Putman: On a Google Cardboard. 00:06:27.287 --> 00:06:27.707 Jonathan Teske: Yeah. 00:06:27.707 --> 00:06:28.007 Yeah. 00:06:28.007 --> 00:06:29.207 And they're like, oh yeah. 00:06:29.207 --> 00:06:30.287 I was like, yeah, it sucked. 00:06:30.377 --> 00:06:32.027 It's it sucks now still. 00:06:32.267 --> 00:06:35.627 And so, and every time then they get in a headset in mixed reality with us. 00:06:35.627 --> 00:06:39.617 You know, they take the headset off after 20 minutes on their head and they're go, oh, I feel fine. 00:06:39.947 --> 00:06:42.067 You know, and I think that's where. 00:06:42.712 --> 00:06:53.352 I, you know, I'd like to see industry players like Meta and Pico and others do a much better job of stewarding that for us as developers and important parts of the ecosystem that don't rely upon us to do that consistently. 00:06:53.772 --> 00:06:58.452 But I do think that is, I. Seeing is believing, feeling is believing in this technology. 00:06:58.452 --> 00:07:01.392 And for mixed reality specifically, the cognitive load is lower. 00:07:01.392 --> 00:07:04.482 I mean, you're walking with, you're walking around with your feet, so, so you don't get a lot of nausea. 00:07:04.782 --> 00:07:12.157 And I and every time we test with students, they just remark that they love being able to look at and talk to and collaborate with other people. 00:07:12.367 --> 00:07:14.857 And I think that it just feels more natural, you know, in general. 00:07:14.907 --> 00:07:17.547 And you don't have to embody this uncanny avatar. 00:07:17.617 --> 00:07:19.622 So, yeah I think that's the biggest thing. 00:07:19.622 --> 00:07:30.397 And then you just combined with, we need to start separating how we use and define the terms learning, education, training to the respective industries. 00:07:30.397 --> 00:07:39.797 'cause the more that they crossed over you know, everyone loves to site that PWC study was very much a workforce training, adult learning study that. 00:07:40.377 --> 00:07:45.957 It's just a wholly different environment than a bunch of young children with a teacher at the head of the classroom. 00:07:47.197 --> 00:07:48.577 Shannon Putman: Fantastic points there. 00:07:48.577 --> 00:07:54.837 And I'm not, and I've, you know, I've used the whole gamut of reality in higher ed as well. 00:07:54.847 --> 00:07:56.827 And there's a lot of great stuff being done in higher ed. 00:07:56.827 --> 00:07:58.297 I'm not taking anything away from that. 00:07:58.597 --> 00:08:03.487 However, working with college students and working in K 12 is incredibly different. 00:08:03.542 --> 00:08:04.312 Jonathan Teske: It's so different. 00:08:04.412 --> 00:08:11.112 Shannon Putman: It, yeah, it's almost non-comparable and, don't think that even educators. 00:08:11.982 --> 00:08:13.152 Being so overwhelmed. 00:08:13.152 --> 00:08:15.012 I don't even think they think it's a possibility. 00:08:15.287 --> 00:08:21.587 And I'm the biggest proponent of the headsets and everything, but it's still not user friendly yet. 00:08:21.632 --> 00:08:22.182 It isn't. 00:08:22.272 --> 00:08:24.182 As much as they like to think that it isn't. 00:08:24.182 --> 00:08:25.182 So, yeah. 00:08:25.182 --> 00:08:26.532 I love that mixed reality. 00:08:26.532 --> 00:08:28.402 Like you said, you can it's not. 00:08:28.597 --> 00:08:37.567 The learning curve isn't as bad either, because it's not like your body doesn't have to understand the ideas of smooth movement and getting used to those different feelings. 00:08:38.017 --> 00:08:43.897 So instead of it being couched to 5K where you have to build up to it, you can kind of just get right into mixed reality. 00:08:44.482 --> 00:08:55.672 Jonathan Teske: one too, like you don't, I mean, this is getting more technical, so hopefully don't lose all the nubs, but you know, like when you're in a fully immersive world, you recognize things like frame rate, dips. 00:08:55.702 --> 00:09:04.552 And that's really jarring to people, you know, and if you're a gamer like myself and others, like, you'll notice that on a TV and you can discern the difference between like a 30 FPS and a 60 FPS. 00:09:05.002 --> 00:09:09.082 But it is harsh when you see that dip and you're fully immersed in vr. 00:09:09.292 --> 00:09:17.202 And so I do think that you can, the develop developers are afforded a little bit more leeway when they're creating as well, because that dip doesn't hurt as much. 00:09:17.252 --> 00:09:17.792 And just. 00:09:18.237 --> 00:09:21.207 That dip creates that nausea amongst many other things. 00:09:21.307 --> 00:09:24.157 And so I, again, I just think there's more leeway too with mixed reality. 00:09:24.157 --> 00:09:27.627 So there's benefits on both sides of how you approach it. 00:09:28.607 --> 00:09:30.047 Shannon Putman: Yeah, absolutely. 00:09:30.047 --> 00:09:31.967 And you complimented me on my leading questions. 00:09:31.967 --> 00:09:32.357 Thank you. 00:09:32.357 --> 00:09:36.927 That's in part to Mr. Jade Kyle from Marcellus High School in Syracuse, New York. 00:09:37.177 --> 00:09:39.037 I was on, I was a mock trial. 00:09:39.037 --> 00:09:40.387 All star thanks to him. 00:09:40.387 --> 00:09:42.367 And if he's listening still love you. 00:09:42.367 --> 00:09:42.697 Ja. 00:09:43.097 --> 00:09:44.957 But here's another one for you. 00:09:44.957 --> 00:09:49.877 I had to get Dave's shot out in there, so, reframe Now, is it a, is it content? 00:09:49.877 --> 00:09:52.697 Is it a platform that delivers content? 00:09:52.997 --> 00:09:56.572 If I were to invest in purchasing, reframe, what would I be getting? 00:09:57.392 --> 00:10:01.322 Jonathan Teske: Yeah, we're really focused on platform infrastructure first. 00:10:01.502 --> 00:10:05.432 And so we've really put a focus on classroom management. 00:10:05.732 --> 00:10:17.182 The sword we wanted to die on really because my time at Meta in the last two years of building reframe everyone, for lack of a better word, has complained about MDM. 00:10:17.932 --> 00:10:26.072 Mobile device management and that's gonna solve everyone's classroom's problem, specifically teachers and I mean, I call bs you know, I it's not true. 00:10:26.402 --> 00:10:28.772 Mobile device management is an IT administration platform. 00:10:28.832 --> 00:10:30.632 It's built for IT administrators. 00:10:30.632 --> 00:10:32.192 It's built for fleets of hardware. 00:10:32.312 --> 00:10:35.642 It is not built for software and human experiences. 00:10:36.062 --> 00:10:38.572 And so, knowing that, that. 00:10:38.942 --> 00:10:42.482 What people were asking for is not exactly what they wanted. 00:10:42.722 --> 00:10:54.692 Was having to then take a step back and realize someone needed to build the infrastructure to support the opportunity to have others build upon and build and create more content experiences. 00:10:54.992 --> 00:10:58.397 And so what we said is that, okay, well, we'll kind of disa how. 00:10:58.897 --> 00:11:02.557 You build a room, mixed reality will strip away What's unnecessary? 00:11:02.677 --> 00:11:10.687 Ai will put in more power and control to teachers, so it's manually built, but then all of that spatial data lives and sits with the school. 00:11:10.687 --> 00:11:15.847 They manage it, they secure it just like every other utility that they have and own and LMS assists. 00:11:16.387 --> 00:11:19.987 Sorry, I'm using terms learning management system, student information system, an attendance system. 00:11:20.167 --> 00:11:26.167 Anything that a school uses to run they need a platform to manage, secure it and be aligned to their privacy policy. 00:11:26.167 --> 00:11:32.307 And so, we took a very much a platform, and technology oriented step first because we wanted to get that right. 00:11:32.337 --> 00:11:40.107 'cause if you could build great content, but it, again, it doesn't matter if you don't have the vehicle to which to get people to the place you're trying to get them to. 00:11:40.497 --> 00:11:46.107 And so now we're both investing in our own content, but also slowly starting to work with other partners around the space. 00:11:46.157 --> 00:11:48.567 We can't name yet, but that are, that wanna work with us. 00:11:48.567 --> 00:11:50.917 But we have done some earth science content. 00:11:50.917 --> 00:11:52.687 We'll continue to build out for our first partner. 00:11:53.347 --> 00:11:54.277 Broward County schools. 00:11:54.607 --> 00:11:56.467 And then we're also taking shots at different content areas. 00:11:56.647 --> 00:12:03.847 We're even taking shots at humanities and ELA that no one else has, and that's, that to me is the most exciting piece because again, when we're in our. 00:12:04.582 --> 00:12:10.132 Teacher training two months ago, we ha we had every content gen ed and CS teachers all there. 00:12:10.492 --> 00:12:15.742 And afterwards I had multiple social studies teachers come to me with ideas that I've never seen before. 00:12:15.802 --> 00:12:16.402 Like that. 00:12:16.402 --> 00:12:20.242 That's what, and then I had ELA teachers who came to me and said, oh, can you do this? 00:12:20.242 --> 00:12:23.062 Can you do, can we visualize rhetoric in a different way and figurative language? 00:12:23.062 --> 00:12:23.362 I'm like. 00:12:23.992 --> 00:12:24.532 Heck yeah. 00:12:24.592 --> 00:12:25.342 Like let's do it. 00:12:25.342 --> 00:12:26.422 Like there's this and that. 00:12:26.422 --> 00:12:37.192 That to me, I, you know, I tip our hat to the team and just to the opportunity and the idea is that, and why I go back to like the industry players that they need to be a little more forward in how they proliferate. 00:12:37.192 --> 00:12:44.212 This analogy is that people just, I. I don't think people are really afforded the opportunity to dream 'cause they don't get access to the technology or they don't see the possibilities. 00:12:44.262 --> 00:12:51.942 And then what they think is a possibility is shrunk to what is marketed, what's on LinkedIn or what comes from higher ed and workforce training. 00:12:52.242 --> 00:12:55.662 And then that's a very small subset, which tends to be STEM or workforce training. 00:12:55.822 --> 00:12:59.542 And then you just get so narrow and then everyone focuses, oh well the technology can only do that. 00:12:59.902 --> 00:13:03.412 And you know, as someone who wants the technology to proliferate everywhere. 00:13:03.782 --> 00:13:11.042 There needs to be folks that are taking shots at acro across the board, across all content areas to demonstrate the full value. 00:13:11.092 --> 00:13:12.952 And I think everyone should be invested in that. 00:13:13.342 --> 00:13:18.242 But for us me specifically, you know, I want the technology to proliferate with or without us. 00:13:18.272 --> 00:13:22.532 I think what we're building is important and will be built with or without us. 00:13:22.652 --> 00:13:29.152 And I just think we as a team and myself have a unique perspective and value that could do that with some fidelity. 00:13:29.649 --> 00:13:41.159 Shannon Putman: If I was more tech savvy, I would've had like angelic music playing When you said a couple of those things because it's everything I've been saying as well, and I know people are sick of listening to me, but 00:13:41.209 --> 00:13:42.889 Jonathan Teske: Get outside of the XR industry. 00:13:43.129 --> 00:13:44.569 And it's like gold. 00:13:44.629 --> 00:13:47.114 Like, 'cause people just, they just go, yeah, that makes sense. 00:13:47.234 --> 00:13:53.294 Like you just, you talk more to teachers who've never been in the technology and they're like, oh yeah, that makes, like, this makes complete sense. 00:13:53.564 --> 00:13:53.894 You know? 00:13:53.894 --> 00:13:58.214 But I think what we do in inside the industry is just, it's a very technocentric first view. 00:13:58.769 --> 00:14:05.639 Where it's like, we gotta bend the will to the technology we're bringing in, and you're like, no, you gotta bend the will of technology to make sure it exists in the environment. 00:14:05.719 --> 00:14:15.399 So yeah, the more I talk to students and teachers, the better I feel because I get outside of folks who are just like, it, just constantly talking about the tech and I'm like, tech doesn't matter if it, if the use case doesn't exist. 00:14:15.834 --> 00:14:16.464 Shannon Putman: Yes. 00:14:16.674 --> 00:14:23.724 And what I love about what you were mentioning was you talked about how, you know, social studies teachers came up with ideas. 00:14:23.729 --> 00:14:24.989 You know, came up to you with ideas. 00:14:25.229 --> 00:14:26.189 That's the whole point. 00:14:26.189 --> 00:14:36.719 So the industry thinks that either it's, here's this prepackaged software that we created that we say is good for STEM, or we say is good for this and here's a lesson plan and here's the script. 00:14:37.019 --> 00:14:40.719 Or it just needs to be plug and play, which we know doesn't work. 00:14:40.869 --> 00:14:42.609 And so what it does is that. 00:14:42.649 --> 00:14:49.819 Cuts out the entire thing that makes educators special, which is our creativity and you know, and what we want to do. 00:14:49.819 --> 00:14:56.539 Like we have great ideas, we wanna do things, we've just gotten beaten down by, you know, core content standards, test scores, all those other things. 00:14:56.899 --> 00:15:03.679 So when you just give them it, instead of letting them be creative, like you're like ideas I'd never even heard of. 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:05.209 Like, I'm an awesome teacher too. 00:15:05.299 --> 00:15:06.709 And teachers will be like, what about this idea? 00:15:06.709 --> 00:15:06.889 I'm like. 00:15:07.384 --> 00:15:08.194 Never thought of that. 00:15:08.194 --> 00:15:13.084 Like there's so many amazing educators out there that have things that want things. 00:15:13.084 --> 00:15:15.754 So I love that your platform is just that. 00:15:15.754 --> 00:15:16.714 It's a platform. 00:15:16.714 --> 00:15:21.064 It's not a, we're telling you how to teach and we're telling you what to teach and how 00:15:21.544 --> 00:15:23.224 Jonathan Teske: We're not a way to teach. 00:15:23.554 --> 00:15:23.794 Yep. 00:15:23.824 --> 00:15:24.814 We're not a way to teach. 00:15:24.814 --> 00:15:29.514 And I think that's what VR specifically does and doesn't do well is this is the way to teach. 00:15:29.514 --> 00:15:36.534 Whether it's simulation training or it's just, it's K 12, but it's still on a kind of a simulation, you know, 20 minute experience track. 00:15:36.964 --> 00:15:40.114 I would rather, I'd rather have the teacher build up. 00:15:40.584 --> 00:16:00.834 In terms of her skillset and technology and content that she wants to do, versus here's something fully prepackaged and, you know, we're working on a light offering tool that allows teachers to build mixed reality scenes and reframe, and that's it's basic stuff, but it's like how, okay, how do I ingest a model and give it light interaction and give it some context with a panel? 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.109 That, that's billboard that follows along on the user. 00:16:03.369 --> 00:16:03.579 No. 00:16:03.579 --> 00:16:07.459 You can put any 2D content and reframe too, so you can give it even more context. 00:16:07.459 --> 00:16:09.229 Like teachers can do that already. 00:16:09.229 --> 00:16:13.609 Now CS teachers can do that with our software development kit and Unity, but soon teachers will be able to do that. 00:16:13.609 --> 00:16:18.469 The 99.9% of teachers who never want to get into code will then have the opportunity to start doing that. 00:16:18.769 --> 00:16:22.849 And to your point around the social studies stuff, like we don't wanna be the arbiters of that. 00:16:22.849 --> 00:16:25.219 We wanna say, okay, we'll build the first one with you. 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:26.539 You gave us the idea, we'll build it. 00:16:26.539 --> 00:16:28.789 But then we pass that template along. 00:16:29.149 --> 00:16:31.219 Then you can then do it on that authoring tool. 00:16:31.219 --> 00:16:36.229 So it's like, we'll take the first shot at it, we're gonna co-design with you 'cause you came with the idea, but we're not gonna own it. 00:16:36.379 --> 00:16:43.099 We're just like, okay, in the future, if you want to build more of these, because like there's not just one version of the thing you came up with. 00:16:43.099 --> 00:16:49.069 You have you, if you came up with it as a teacher, you know, then you have infinite ideas around this thing. 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.199 So we just say, okay, we'll build the first one with you. 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:53.929 We'll build a template and then we'll put that template into authoring tool. 00:16:53.929 --> 00:17:00.859 So it's not like we're gonna build 10 of these for you now, so we're gonna build one, and then we're gonna build the structure. 00:17:00.859 --> 00:17:04.939 We're gonna make the structure of it accessible to you, and then you build as much as you want. 00:17:04.939 --> 00:17:10.429 And then it proliferates, and then kind of a Nearpod approach where you just, you share the lessons with other teachers who are in the network, a reframe. 00:17:11.209 --> 00:17:14.029 Shannon Putman: That's so refreshing too, because a lot of companies don't do that. 00:17:14.029 --> 00:17:20.089 And let's just face it, everybody knows, you know, money makes the world go round, so they want us to be beholden to them. 00:17:20.149 --> 00:17:22.919 You know, like if you want something new, you have to pay us, you know? 00:17:22.919 --> 00:17:25.709 And so a lot of people in the industry are. 00:17:26.159 --> 00:17:27.539 Don't want to do that. 00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:30.209 And so that's what I always talk about. 00:17:30.239 --> 00:17:34.619 You know, anybody that's ever listened to me knows that the only principle is what's best for students. 00:17:34.619 --> 00:17:39.639 So I align myself with people that have the same belief and you guys absolutely do by the 00:17:39.774 --> 00:17:40.524 Jonathan Teske: Well, I think you win. 00:17:40.554 --> 00:17:42.024 You just win in the long run. 00:17:42.024 --> 00:17:42.234 Yeah. 00:17:42.234 --> 00:17:44.034 You just win in the long run, you know, like. 00:17:44.409 --> 00:17:45.999 I'm not, I'm here for the long game. 00:17:45.999 --> 00:17:49.694 Like this is, to me a very much a life thing I want to do, you know? 00:17:49.694 --> 00:17:53.684 And I'd rather continue to build those relationships where we lean into teachers. 00:17:53.684 --> 00:18:01.094 It's longer, it is much harder, but to me it is much more rewarding in, in, at any stage, but especially in the back end. 00:18:01.094 --> 00:18:06.134 And so if we can continue to leverage teacher skillsets and communicate that to. 00:18:06.524 --> 00:18:08.594 Purchasers, you know, to school admin. 00:18:08.774 --> 00:18:11.804 I think it's really important for the space to grow. 00:18:12.054 --> 00:18:14.364 Otherwise, I think it's just gonna, it's gonna be small. 00:18:15.684 --> 00:18:20.154 Shannon Putman: We don't, I don't think it's going to be long lasting if we don't do those things. 00:18:20.254 --> 00:18:22.924 It has the potential to be everywhere, but if we. 00:18:23.389 --> 00:18:25.459 Don't change how we're doing some things. 00:18:26.029 --> 00:18:29.089 It might not ever fully take grip and we've lost all 00:18:29.089 --> 00:18:29.674 Jonathan Teske: I think it will. 00:18:29.674 --> 00:18:30.364 I think it will. 00:18:30.364 --> 00:18:42.944 I do think it will but to your point, like I. On the 2D web world, it took, you know, almost 20 years for tools like Canva to take off and to exist first, and then to take off, you know, in the educational setting, in the web 2.0 world. 00:18:42.944 --> 00:18:54.454 So, you know, I still think we're, are a little bit early, but we're finally getting to a space where the core technology is accessible, but the products that use that technology now need to be accessible. 00:18:54.674 --> 00:18:56.294 And so that's just where we're taking that shot. 00:18:57.164 --> 00:18:57.914 Shannon Putman: Absolutely. 00:18:58.334 --> 00:19:05.164 And as we're kind of wrapping up here because this has been fascinating and I could go on forever, but I promise the pop would be a short and quick. 00:19:05.474 --> 00:19:10.654 But is there anything that so of course people can, you know, contact Putman Exar Consulting. 00:19:11.034 --> 00:19:13.134 But and I'm putting links, you know, in. 00:19:13.184 --> 00:19:14.204 In everything. 00:19:14.204 --> 00:19:31.684 But is there anything, if they wanted to get in touch with you, where should they go and, you know, where, as a kind of a closing thought, like where are you seeing kind of this technology going or, you know, what would you kind of like to leave educators with in regards to, to reframe as a final thought? 00:19:32.189 --> 00:19:33.839 Jonathan Teske: Yeah, well first you can reach out to me. 00:19:33.869 --> 00:19:37.409 You can check us out on the website or just email me, jonathan@reframexr.com. 00:19:37.409 --> 00:19:38.339 Please reach out. 00:19:38.399 --> 00:19:41.929 Thoughts, ideas, opportunities you want us, you wanna bring us to your school? 00:19:41.929 --> 00:19:42.529 It'd be great. 00:19:42.859 --> 00:19:44.689 Where I see the space going is. 00:19:45.739 --> 00:19:52.939 Definitely, I think, faster towards that convergence of light glasses and face computer on your head. 00:19:53.159 --> 00:20:02.184 And I do, I see the glass that's becoming a bit faster to some light AR concepts, which I think, again, validate and help us get into spaces that are much easier. 00:20:02.394 --> 00:20:10.144 I also think there needs to be better investment and we're doing this, but I think that there needs to be better investment around how do you bring other devices? 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:16.079 Into an immersive space that is happening or occurring in real time with these headsets. 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.344 I, you know, I. Case in point, right? 00:20:18.444 --> 00:20:20.514 Meta with Horizon Worlds was headset only. 00:20:20.514 --> 00:20:22.874 And then they backed up into web and mobile. 00:20:23.234 --> 00:20:26.564 And there just needs to be better on-ramps to the technology. 00:20:26.594 --> 00:20:29.564 And again, the technology doesn't always have to be on a headset like xr. 00:20:29.564 --> 00:20:33.344 Like you can have great ar content on a phone, like anything with a camera, right? 00:20:33.344 --> 00:20:36.234 And so how as reframe, we think about how do we help? 00:20:37.284 --> 00:20:47.124 Our current customers, our future customers and the space recognize that the on-ramps to what we know is the best experience, which is the headset, how do we give them better on-ramps? 00:20:47.274 --> 00:20:50.904 And so that's what we're really focused on, is creating that accessibility piece. 00:20:51.214 --> 00:20:51.784 For. 00:20:52.429 --> 00:21:00.369 People, students or teachers who otherwise wouldn't or don't want to wear a headset anytime soon, how do they get still, you know, 80, 90% of what reframe offers? 00:21:00.609 --> 00:21:01.989 That's what we're really focused on. 00:21:02.239 --> 00:21:09.489 There's been some great convergence of technology that allow us to do that, and so this summer will be very exciting to get to as the things we have on our roadmap. 00:21:09.849 --> 00:21:12.314 But that, that to me is where we. 00:21:12.869 --> 00:21:19.339 We just wanna offer up, you know, the thinking, the space to the space around our vision of the future. 00:21:19.339 --> 00:21:22.039 And I think it's bearing out with who we're partnered with right now. 00:21:23.229 --> 00:21:23.709 Shannon Putman: I love that. 00:21:23.769 --> 00:21:30.939 I think that's perfectly said and a wonderful way to, to wrap everything up other than the closing countdown. 00:21:31.009 --> 00:21:31.249 Jonathan Teske: yeah. 00:21:31.249 --> 00:21:31.999 The closing, yes. 00:21:31.999 --> 00:21:33.549 The closing rando question. 00:21:33.549 --> 00:21:34.179 The fastball. 00:21:34.179 --> 00:21:34.539 Give it to 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.209 Shannon Putman: Yes, which you said you could handle, so, all right, so it's a good one. 00:21:37.209 --> 00:21:44.939 Now I got this just from looking at your environment and I gotta ask you, your top three favorite machines ever invented. 00:21:45.269 --> 00:21:51.479 So this could be like even in a sci-fi movie, like, so it could be that R 2D two, whatever. 00:21:51.479 --> 00:21:54.719 What are your top three favorite machines? 00:21:55.979 --> 00:21:56.999 Non br too. 00:21:56.999 --> 00:21:57.299 Like 00:21:57.484 --> 00:21:57.634 Jonathan Teske: Yeah. 00:21:57.634 --> 00:21:58.444 You gotta make this hard. 00:21:58.684 --> 00:21:59.434 Shannon Putman: Yeah, I told you. 00:22:00.724 --> 00:22:01.444 Jonathan Teske: oh man, 00:22:01.594 --> 00:22:02.194 Shannon Putman: I know. 00:22:02.614 --> 00:22:03.034 Jonathan Teske: this is good. 00:22:03.344 --> 00:22:11.384 Well, I would say I'm gonna, I'm gonna maybe cheat a little bit here, but I, the Matrix just because I just think it's just a wonderful thought experiment. 00:22:11.634 --> 00:22:17.174 Just the idea of the matrix and it is loosely tied to this, like whatever metaverse term, but just the technology. 00:22:17.474 --> 00:22:18.204 But I love that. 00:22:18.454 --> 00:22:21.454 I would say to an extension the DVD player. 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:27.384 I, you know, I, you know, I'm I grew up where the DVD player was right in the middle of high school, smack in the middle of high school. 00:22:27.384 --> 00:22:37.614 And just the ability to see movement of such clarity from a jump from VHS and I, you know, look, I had all the big Disney boxes of VHSs for anyone who's still of a, of our age. 00:22:38.004 --> 00:22:41.094 But like to me, the DVD player was huge. 00:22:41.334 --> 00:22:44.734 And then, you know, heartstrings machines, I would say. 00:22:45.979 --> 00:22:46.819 A video game console? 00:22:46.819 --> 00:22:49.039 I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of like the best, most important. 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:50.269 I would still, I would say the switch. 00:22:50.269 --> 00:22:54.209 Like I, you know, my huge gamer since the beginning since the eighties. 00:22:54.209 --> 00:22:55.739 But I would say the switch was. 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:06.169 To me, the culmination of all of Nintendo's work for the last, at least from a video game perspective, the last 40 years of work and the convergence of both something that's mobile and something that's console. 00:23:06.449 --> 00:23:08.809 And it's just it's yet to be fully replicated. 00:23:09.169 --> 00:23:12.559 And I'm excited for their further, their upcoming switch to reveal next week. 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:13.609 But I think that has. 00:23:14.149 --> 00:23:20.329 That to me is a category of itself that we're seeing a lot of competitors try to reach into, including Steam with their steam deck and all these other third parties. 00:23:20.329 --> 00:23:27.684 So, it's just really cool to kind of be alive right now in that level of technology, let alone all the stuff we're talking about with mixed reality and vr. 00:23:27.684 --> 00:23:29.484 But like, you know, that's just the screen. 00:23:29.694 --> 00:23:37.384 But it's just, again it's a tech, it's a boring technology, but it was the core product that created this new, unique product that used that technology in a unique way. 00:23:37.694 --> 00:23:38.934 And I just think it's just awesome. 00:23:38.934 --> 00:23:40.224 I can't wait to see him extend it. 00:23:41.169 --> 00:23:42.459 Shannon Putman: Those are fantastic. 00:23:42.459 --> 00:23:47.169 As a my dad is probably right now playing his original Game Boy Tetris. 00:23:47.549 --> 00:23:48.354 Jonathan Teske: I still got that one. 00:23:48.354 --> 00:23:49.374 I still have that brick. 00:23:49.374 --> 00:23:49.734 And it 00:23:49.764 --> 00:23:51.024 Shannon Putman: Absolutely It does. 00:23:51.084 --> 00:23:51.774 It does. 00:23:51.924 --> 00:23:52.314 Jonathan Teske: works. 00:23:52.524 --> 00:23:56.604 Shannon Putman: And he still, when he beats nine five, he still turns the music up and we hear the music. 00:23:56.604 --> 00:23:58.854 So that's how he lets us know he beat the level again. 00:23:58.904 --> 00:23:59.144 But 00:23:59.174 --> 00:23:59.234 Jonathan Teske: it. 00:24:00.344 --> 00:24:01.454 Shannon Putman: much respect for sure. 00:24:01.454 --> 00:24:02.294 Those were good ones. 00:24:02.294 --> 00:24:05.524 You handled the pop the closing countdown very well and the pop, so. 00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:07.539 Thank you so much for joining me. 00:24:07.569 --> 00:24:14.669 I can't express how grateful I am for you and your guidance and your different perspective and also your friendship. 00:24:14.669 --> 00:24:24.029 I truly appreciate it and I'm excited for everything Reframe has to offer and I can't wait to maybe be even just a tiny part of it or just enjoying the ride that you guys go on. 00:24:24.029 --> 00:24:24.359 So. 00:24:24.489 --> 00:24:25.209 Jonathan Teske: I appreciate it. 00:24:25.209 --> 00:24:26.349 Well, thank you for having us. 00:24:26.399 --> 00:24:28.559 I think you, this won't be the last time you hear from us. 00:24:28.649 --> 00:24:29.459 Shannon Putman: I hope not. 00:24:29.459 --> 00:24:32.789 I know it won't be, but you know, I just always like to knock on wood and everything. 00:24:32.789 --> 00:24:33.029 I'm not, 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:33.749 Jonathan Teske: That's right. 00:24:34.379 --> 00:24:35.939 Shannon Putman: Thank you again, Jonathan, so much. 00:24:36.404 --> 00:24:36.914 Jonathan Teske: Thanks Shannon.