WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.220 --> 00:00:10.500 I'm Travis Bader, and this is The 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:11.670 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.290 --> 00:00:15.120 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:17.190 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits 00:00:17.430 --> 00:00:19.380 with the people in businesses that comprise 00:00:19.380 --> 00:00:20.030 of the community. 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:22.770 If you're new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.770 --> 00:00:26.970 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.970 --> 00:00:29.280 you can learn more about courses, services, and 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.470 products that we offer as well as how you can 00:00:31.470 --> 00:00:34.110 join The Silvercore Club, which includes 10 million 00:00:34.110 --> 00:00:36.560 in North American wide liability insurance, to 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.790 ensure you are properly covered during your 00:00:38.790 --> 00:00:39.690 outdoor adventures. 00:00:43.590 --> 00:00:44.010 All right. 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:46.740 I've been receiving some fantastic feedback 00:00:46.740 --> 00:00:48.720 from listeners and Silvercore Club members. 00:00:48.750 --> 00:00:51.390 And I wanted to take a moment to say, thank you. 00:00:52.144 --> 00:00:54.065 It is through your feedback and by sharing 00:00:54.065 --> 00:00:55.985 this podcast with others that we're 00:00:55.985 --> 00:00:58.015 able to continually grow and evolve. 00:00:58.135 --> 00:00:59.605 And for that, I am grateful. 00:01:01.445 --> 00:01:02.995 Entries for the firefighter training 00:01:02.995 --> 00:01:04.914 package that The Silvercore Club is giving 00:01:04.914 --> 00:01:06.384 away in conjunction with the Training 00:01:06.384 --> 00:01:08.515 Division in Texas have been rolling in. 00:01:09.354 --> 00:01:11.305 If you know someone who has aspirations of 00:01:11.305 --> 00:01:13.345 being a firefighter, this life-changing 00:01:13.345 --> 00:01:15.325 giveaway will 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00:01:52.664 Yeah, definitely, at least a year, right? 00:01:52.664 --> 00:01:52.965 Yeah. 00:01:52.965 --> 00:01:55.065 We've been texting and talking back and forth 00:01:55.065 --> 00:01:56.985 and we're finally able to make this connect. 00:01:57.615 --> 00:02:00.554 You know, I've got your book, great 00:02:00.554 --> 00:02:01.235 book by the way. 00:02:01.304 --> 00:02:02.115 Mmm, thanks. 00:02:02.115 --> 00:02:05.925 Anybody who's interested in being alone or living 00:02:05.925 --> 00:02:08.715 a primitive lifestyle or what it might be like. 00:02:09.044 --> 00:02:11.115 I would definitely recommend checking out, 00:02:11.115 --> 00:02:13.575 Becoming Wild: Living the Primitive Life on 00:02:13.605 --> 00:02:14.684 a West Coast Island. 00:02:15.075 --> 00:02:17.595 So when I read through that, I found 00:02:17.595 --> 00:02:18.885 a few similarities. 00:02:18.915 --> 00:02:20.805 You know, I'm looking at things that you have 00:02:20.805 --> 00:02:23.084 done and that you do, and I'm looking back at 00:02:23.925 --> 00:02:25.125 some things in my life. 00:02:25.334 --> 00:02:26.954 And a few of the similarities I found, 00:02:27.015 --> 00:02:28.565 well, one was just kind of a funny one; you 00:02:28.575 --> 00:02:29.655 had a cat named Scout. 00:02:30.119 --> 00:02:30.570 Yeah. 00:02:31.019 --> 00:02:32.780 So I've got a daughter named Scout. 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:34.470 Oh my gosh that's awesome! 00:02:34.820 --> 00:02:37.460 Was, was that inspired by Harper Lee's novel? 00:02:37.780 --> 00:02:40.220 No actually, uh, it was inspired by, 00:02:40.250 --> 00:02:42.519 uh, the ancient, like Apache Scouts. 00:02:42.549 --> 00:02:43.809 Ahh, I love it. 00:02:43.959 --> 00:02:44.429 Yeah. 00:02:44.450 --> 00:02:45.890 She was incredible. 00:02:45.890 --> 00:02:48.290 She's still alive, she's actually retired living 00:02:48.290 --> 00:02:51.019 in town with my mom now, but she, I think she's 00:02:51.019 --> 00:02:52.459 about 20 years old now. 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:55.250 Holy, that's, so I'm not a cat person, 00:02:55.670 --> 00:02:57.230 probably because I'm allergic to cats. 00:02:57.230 --> 00:02:58.160 That'd be a primary one. 00:02:58.160 --> 00:03:00.290 I remember as a kid, I really wanted a 00:03:00.290 --> 00:03:02.510 cat and I, I'm doing air quotes here. 00:03:02.510 --> 00:03:05.690 I, I found a cat and I clutched it so close 00:03:05.690 --> 00:03:07.880 to my chest and it was clawing me up and 00:03:08.540 --> 00:03:10.399 anyways, I brought it home and I told my 00:03:10.399 --> 00:03:13.010 parents, I said, this cat followed me home, 00:03:13.010 --> 00:03:14.089 can we keep it, right? 00:03:14.810 --> 00:03:16.680 My parents like, yeah, yeah, followed you home. 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.455 And I'm like, I don't know why I'm so itchy and 00:03:20.665 --> 00:03:22.815 look, took off my shirt, took a look and sure 00:03:22.815 --> 00:03:24.155 enough absolute hives. 00:03:24.155 --> 00:03:25.025 Oh my gosh. 00:03:25.025 --> 00:03:26.345 Yeah, I'm not a cat person either, 00:03:26.345 --> 00:03:28.655 but I found her slightly similar. 00:03:28.655 --> 00:03:30.815 She was abandoned by her feral mother and. 00:03:31.055 --> 00:03:31.455 Oh okay. 00:03:31.495 --> 00:03:33.855 And, uh, I was going off on this big survival 00:03:33.855 --> 00:03:36.185 trek and I said, okay cat, like, you can hang 00:03:36.185 --> 00:03:37.775 out with me, but this is what your life's 00:03:37.775 --> 00:03:38.555 going to be like. 00:03:38.555 --> 00:03:40.205 So you're going to have to be wild. 00:03:40.205 --> 00:03:41.105 And she was amazing. 00:03:41.375 --> 00:03:42.865 That's not too bad for a cat. 00:03:42.865 --> 00:03:44.735 Yeah, she's incredible cat. 00:03:45.095 --> 00:03:46.895 So reading through your book. 00:03:47.205 --> 00:03:48.945 You make a number of references 00:03:48.945 --> 00:03:49.955 to Sam Gribley. 00:03:51.855 --> 00:03:54.495 Let me just reach into my bag here. 00:03:55.774 --> 00:03:56.445 Oh! 00:03:56.475 --> 00:03:58.465 Like wow, one of the original copies. 00:03:58.465 --> 00:03:59.315 Look what I got. 00:04:00.135 --> 00:04:01.065 Cool. 00:04:01.255 --> 00:04:02.555 So if you look on the front cover 00:04:02.555 --> 00:04:03.365 there or, sorry. 00:04:03.395 --> 00:04:04.235 Yeah, there you go. 00:04:04.355 --> 00:04:05.745 Look at your writing, it's like 00:04:06.015 --> 00:04:07.385 tiny kid writing. 00:04:07.595 --> 00:04:09.005 It hasn't progressed much. 00:04:09.275 --> 00:04:11.795 What I just handed Nikki here, is my 00:04:11.825 --> 00:04:14.225 original book, My Side of the Mountain. 00:04:14.255 --> 00:04:15.485 So cool. 00:04:15.545 --> 00:04:18.274 So I think it was what grade four when I got 00:04:18.274 --> 00:04:21.394 that book and I loved that book and reading 00:04:21.394 --> 00:04:22.205 through your book. 00:04:22.515 --> 00:04:23.924 You love that book as well. 00:04:24.674 --> 00:04:25.335 Oh yeah. 00:04:25.335 --> 00:04:27.525 This was my favorite book of all times. 00:04:27.525 --> 00:04:29.005 I mean, I wanted to be Sam Gribley 00:04:29.025 --> 00:04:29.984 more than anything. 00:04:29.984 --> 00:04:32.445 When I was a kid, I just like after 00:04:32.445 --> 00:04:34.125 school, I'd run into the bush and start 00:04:34.125 --> 00:04:36.765 making bows and arrows and picking berries. 00:04:36.765 --> 00:04:38.114 And I was like, I'm going to be Sam. 00:04:38.114 --> 00:04:40.155 And then I grew up obviously and forgot 00:04:40.155 --> 00:04:41.965 all about Sam until, you know, I was in my 00:04:41.984 --> 00:04:44.325 twenties and started learning all this stuff 00:04:44.325 --> 00:04:46.215 about survival and living off the land. 00:04:46.215 --> 00:04:48.405 And one day I was at, uh, one of my teacher's 00:04:48.405 --> 00:04:50.775 house and I pulled this book off the shelf 00:04:50.775 --> 00:04:52.715 and it was this, My Side of the Mountain. 00:04:52.765 --> 00:04:52.885 Yeah? 00:04:52.885 --> 00:04:54.914 And I thought, oh my gosh, I have 00:04:54.914 --> 00:04:57.565 all these crazy skills to go be Sam. 00:04:57.924 --> 00:04:58.205 Totally. 00:04:58.205 --> 00:04:59.234 Like I'm going to go do it. 00:04:59.325 --> 00:05:02.205 And, uh, that's why, uh, yeah, I was really 00:05:02.205 --> 00:05:03.164 inspired by this book. 00:05:03.164 --> 00:05:06.164 I named my little road book Gribley and 00:05:06.304 --> 00:05:07.155 it was really cool. 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:09.600 Yeah, I, for whatever reason, that book 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.560 really resonated with me as a kid. 00:05:12.770 --> 00:05:16.670 And, uh, so much to the point that I decided 00:05:16.730 --> 00:05:19.040 at lunchtime to sneak into the classroom 00:05:19.130 --> 00:05:20.600 and steal that book. 00:05:21.290 --> 00:05:25.070 And as I'm stealing that book, the teacher comes 00:05:25.070 --> 00:05:27.830 in and then I've got to come up with a story 00:05:28.310 --> 00:05:29.890 and the teachers are, what are you doing Trav? 00:05:30.350 --> 00:05:33.680 I said, oh, you know, I just, um, whatever I came 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.230 up with, he says, oh, why do you have that book? 00:05:36.590 --> 00:05:38.060 Oh, no, that book, that's my book I 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:39.380 said, total lie. 00:05:40.640 --> 00:05:42.050 The teacher says your book is it? 00:05:42.530 --> 00:05:46.320 And grabs it from me, opens it up and takes a 00:05:46.320 --> 00:05:48.900 look on the inside and sure enough, there's the, 00:05:48.900 --> 00:05:52.320 uh, the school stamp on there and looks at me. 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:54.060 He's like, you sure this is your book and 00:05:54.060 --> 00:05:56.130 I'm, now I'm fully committed to the lie. 00:05:56.860 --> 00:05:58.490 Like, uh, like what do you do when your 00:05:58.490 --> 00:06:00.150 in grade four like, yes, that's my book. 00:06:00.900 --> 00:06:02.099 The teacher, you can see the rip 00:06:02.099 --> 00:06:02.730 on the page there. 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:05.010 The teacher rips a page out and says, 00:06:05.010 --> 00:06:06.040 well, if it's your book, you better 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:06.800 put your name in it. 00:06:07.130 --> 00:06:09.260 Oh, that's so cool. 00:06:09.289 --> 00:06:13.669 And the teacher said, but this is 00:06:13.669 --> 00:06:14.480 between you and me. 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:15.940 If anyone asks, essentially, 00:06:15.940 --> 00:06:16.470 I'll deny it. 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:18.380 And I thought, holy crow, that's, that's 00:06:18.380 --> 00:06:20.210 a cool teacher, so I've held onto that 00:06:20.210 --> 00:06:21.140 book ever since. 00:06:21.140 --> 00:06:21.750 Cause it's a. 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:22.410 Super cool. 00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:24.050 It's an interesting story, about a kid, 00:06:24.990 --> 00:06:25.830 lives in the wild. 00:06:25.830 --> 00:06:28.770 And I never really liked the ending where 00:06:28.770 --> 00:06:29.869 he moved back home. 00:06:29.869 --> 00:06:32.710 Yeah, neither did I, neither did I. 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.060 That is so cool that she was like, you know what? 00:06:35.060 --> 00:06:36.289 He loves this book so much, I'm going 00:06:36.289 --> 00:06:36.770 to give it to him. 00:06:37.039 --> 00:06:38.299 Have you ever been in touch with that 00:06:38.330 --> 00:06:39.859 teacher since? 00:06:39.950 --> 00:06:40.640 No, I haven't. 00:06:40.669 --> 00:06:43.219 I mean, look your life, you know, just like Sam. 00:06:43.219 --> 00:06:43.460 Totally. 00:06:43.460 --> 00:06:44.210 Me just like Sam. 00:06:44.210 --> 00:06:47.030 I actually contacted, um, Jean Craighead 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:48.609 George, when I got back. 00:06:48.909 --> 00:06:49.190 Really? 00:06:49.190 --> 00:06:50.870 And said, hey, I got to say your 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:52.820 book has inspired me my whole life. 00:06:52.849 --> 00:06:55.070 And I just wanted to say, hey, I became Sam. 00:06:55.070 --> 00:06:57.440 And she wrote back immediately said, I've 00:06:57.440 --> 00:06:59.780 been waiting for a kid to tell me this. 00:06:59.780 --> 00:07:01.310 And I'm going to tell every other kid that 00:07:01.310 --> 00:07:02.299 you can be Sam too. 00:07:02.299 --> 00:07:04.190 Cause she just constantly gets letters from so many 00:07:04.190 --> 00:07:07.070 kids that is inspired by her by her book. 00:07:07.159 --> 00:07:10.560 Um, unfortunately she passed away right before 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:11.580 my book was published. 00:07:11.580 --> 00:07:13.410 I couldn't send her a copy, but we 00:07:13.470 --> 00:07:14.730 chatted all the time. 00:07:14.730 --> 00:07:16.520 Christmas cards, sending pictures. 00:07:16.520 --> 00:07:18.190 She was actually an extraordinary woman. 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:18.540 Really? 00:07:18.640 --> 00:07:18.830 Mhmmm. 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.460 Did, was there any bit of. 00:07:20.620 --> 00:07:21.070 Yes! 00:07:21.070 --> 00:07:21.820 Sam in her? 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:22.490 Oh yeah. 00:07:22.730 --> 00:07:24.230 Her father, I think was one of the 00:07:24.230 --> 00:07:27.180 first, um, falconers. 00:07:27.570 --> 00:07:28.000 Oh really? 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:28.310 Yeah. 00:07:28.470 --> 00:07:30.320 And, uh, she spent lots of time in 00:07:30.320 --> 00:07:31.880 the bush learning all these things. 00:07:31.910 --> 00:07:33.770 Yeah, she was really an amazing woman. 00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:35.140 That is so cool. 00:07:35.410 --> 00:07:38.080 So you spent, and your book talks about a year 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:42.580 and a half that you spent out living primitively 00:07:43.390 --> 00:07:46.200 on an Island here in BC. 00:07:46.420 --> 00:07:46.880 Yeah. 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:48.620 Did you want to talk a little bit about. 00:07:48.620 --> 00:07:48.710 Sure. 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:50.450 What primitively means? 00:07:50.610 --> 00:07:50.910 Yeah. 00:07:50.910 --> 00:07:51.460 Exactly. 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.720 Well, I was a pretty hardcore, I just gotta 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:56.700 be all primitive, so absolutely nothing 00:07:56.700 --> 00:07:58.860 modern, no knife, just stone tools 00:07:58.860 --> 00:07:59.820 and bows and arrows. 00:07:59.820 --> 00:08:02.250 And I was, you know, sleeping in hides and 00:08:02.820 --> 00:08:05.550 making everything from baskets to clothing, 00:08:05.550 --> 00:08:09.570 to, um, bone hooks and rope, cedar bark rope. 00:08:09.570 --> 00:08:11.820 And, and then there became this point where 00:08:13.380 --> 00:08:15.840 it was like, you know what a frying pan is an 00:08:15.840 --> 00:08:20.310 amazing invention, you know, I love this pot. 00:08:20.820 --> 00:08:21.460 Yes. 00:08:21.570 --> 00:08:24.660 And so, it just came time to be 00:08:24.660 --> 00:08:25.230 like, you know what? 00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:27.120 It's okay that I'm going to keep a frying pan. 00:08:27.210 --> 00:08:30.090 Like making clay pottery and dealing 00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:33.690 with frying on rocks all works, obviously. 00:08:33.690 --> 00:08:35.909 But there was more, I wanted to learn about, 00:08:36.450 --> 00:08:39.870 you know, living out in the wild and the time it 00:08:39.870 --> 00:08:42.990 takes to live absolutely primitively like that. 00:08:43.020 --> 00:08:44.550 There's no, no tribe, I don't have 00:08:44.550 --> 00:08:46.260 a tribe, I don't have a people to help. 00:08:46.260 --> 00:08:48.420 So I made these exceptions where I 00:08:48.420 --> 00:08:50.939 would keep, you know, a bunch of rope and 00:08:50.939 --> 00:08:53.090 then I would just tie cedar bark onto it. 00:08:53.329 --> 00:08:53.790 Okay. 00:08:54.090 --> 00:08:56.610 I made thousands of feet of cedar bark rope, but 00:08:56.610 --> 00:08:59.220 it became like, wow, I need even more to live. 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:02.329 So I would just tie cedar bark onto 00:09:02.339 --> 00:09:05.160 fishing line and have, you know, 40 feet of 00:09:05.250 --> 00:09:08.220 cedar bark and then regular fishing line. 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:10.680 And so there was ways that I utilized 00:09:10.709 --> 00:09:11.819 some modern gear. 00:09:11.880 --> 00:09:15.360 Um, I kept my knife, I kept an ax. 00:09:15.630 --> 00:09:15.810 Right. 00:09:15.839 --> 00:09:18.510 I mean, try, you know, axing down a 00:09:18.510 --> 00:09:19.510 tree with a stone. 00:09:19.739 --> 00:09:20.310 Yeah, good luck. 00:09:20.310 --> 00:09:20.949 I've tried. 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:22.069 It takes forever. 00:09:22.069 --> 00:09:22.350 Yes. 00:09:22.459 --> 00:09:23.240 You can do it. 00:09:23.540 --> 00:09:24.430 It is doable. 00:09:25.100 --> 00:09:27.170 But you know, I'm not trying to prove that 00:09:27.170 --> 00:09:28.640 this stuff worked. 00:09:28.699 --> 00:09:30.560 So, um, yeah. 00:09:30.560 --> 00:09:32.870 And there was this other things I kept a saw and 00:09:33.705 --> 00:09:35.145 just some basic stuff. 00:09:35.205 --> 00:09:37.605 Um, I got rid of the fish hooks, which was really, 00:09:37.695 --> 00:09:40.155 really interesting, uh, made bone hooks 00:09:40.215 --> 00:09:41.235 to make them work. 00:09:41.265 --> 00:09:44.115 And, um, there was some things that I wasn't 00:09:44.115 --> 00:09:45.255 willing to go modern. 00:09:45.255 --> 00:09:46.965 Like I made all my bows and arrows and. 00:09:47.355 --> 00:09:48.345 I saw that, that's pretty cool. 00:09:48.345 --> 00:09:48.705 Yeah. 00:09:48.945 --> 00:09:51.465 Um, so yeah, I did sleep in hides. 00:09:51.645 --> 00:09:53.865 Uh, I kept modern clothing. 00:09:53.865 --> 00:09:56.835 I did make a bunch of clothing, but like 00:09:56.835 --> 00:09:58.605 walking around in a cedar bark skirt 00:09:59.585 --> 00:10:02.114 just isn't quite as good as Carhartts. 00:10:02.724 --> 00:10:03.375 No kidding. 00:10:03.614 --> 00:10:06.665 Well, you, you came from a pretty, you came from a 00:10:06.665 --> 00:10:09.575 background, you, you were sponsored snowboarder at 00:10:09.575 --> 00:10:10.695 what, 23 I think it was? 00:10:10.715 --> 00:10:10.955 Yeah. 00:10:10.955 --> 00:10:11.885 Something like that. 00:10:12.095 --> 00:10:12.515 Yeah. 00:10:12.605 --> 00:10:14.615 In my twenties and yeah, I definitely didn't 00:10:14.615 --> 00:10:16.085 come from a family of. 00:10:17.355 --> 00:10:18.735 You know, outdoors people. 00:10:18.735 --> 00:10:21.855 My dad was into camping a little bit, but you 00:10:21.855 --> 00:10:24.975 know, we had a motor home and I just, yeah, 00:10:25.005 --> 00:10:27.525 my, my family is not a real big outdoor person. 00:10:27.944 --> 00:10:30.525 So I grew up pretty privileged show 00:10:30.525 --> 00:10:31.905 jumping horses and. 00:10:32.145 --> 00:10:32.535 Yeah. 00:10:32.595 --> 00:10:34.485 Just a different life from what I 00:10:34.845 --> 00:10:35.954 live now, for sure. 00:10:36.704 --> 00:10:38.675 Wasn't there a horse named Ivy at some point? 00:10:38.675 --> 00:10:39.305 Yes. 00:10:39.334 --> 00:10:39.755 Yes. 00:10:40.175 --> 00:10:40.535 Yes. 00:10:40.535 --> 00:10:43.415 There was a lot of horses and, um, my 00:10:43.505 --> 00:10:46.925 family in Holland, uh, raises show jumpers and 00:10:46.954 --> 00:10:48.085 I got my start there. 00:10:48.465 --> 00:10:48.575 Okay. 00:10:48.575 --> 00:10:51.694 And, uh, just, just my life for all of 00:10:51.694 --> 00:10:52.685 my teenage years. 00:10:52.685 --> 00:10:54.725 And I think I started maybe when I was eight. 00:10:55.085 --> 00:10:55.285 Okay. 00:10:55.285 --> 00:10:57.155 And I just wanted to go to the Olympics. 00:10:57.155 --> 00:11:00.245 That's all I breathed and dreamed was horses. 00:11:00.245 --> 00:11:02.755 And, um, yeah, I just want to know 00:11:02.765 --> 00:11:04.005 the Olympics, like my trainer. 00:11:04.035 --> 00:11:07.255 And then, you know, it's expensive sport. 00:11:07.574 --> 00:11:08.025 Totally. 00:11:08.245 --> 00:11:10.335 And my mother one day was like, all right, 00:11:10.845 --> 00:11:13.215 um, she's going to buy this horse named Ivy. 00:11:13.215 --> 00:11:14.835 It was going to be my, you know, big junior 00:11:14.835 --> 00:11:18.495 jumper and found this horse that was very 00:11:18.555 --> 00:11:21.615 cheap in the world of, uh, show jumpers, but 00:11:21.645 --> 00:11:24.855 it was this undiscovered gem, if you will. 00:11:25.005 --> 00:11:26.475 So I was like, I'm going to make so much money 00:11:26.475 --> 00:11:27.765 on this horse next year. 00:11:27.765 --> 00:11:29.025 Mama's gonna be amazing. 00:11:29.025 --> 00:11:31.245 And my trainer, not all excited that my mom was 00:11:31.245 --> 00:11:32.475 going to buy the horse. 00:11:32.564 --> 00:11:35.145 And, uh, she got a flat tire I guess on the way. 00:11:35.145 --> 00:11:38.385 And so, okay, I got home from college 00:11:38.385 --> 00:11:41.475 that day and I said, Hey, did we buy Ivy? 00:11:41.475 --> 00:11:42.954 You know, like is she mine. 00:11:42.975 --> 00:11:45.105 And she said, oh yeah, she vetted out well. 00:11:45.105 --> 00:11:47.595 But, um, I got a flat tire on the way. 00:11:47.595 --> 00:11:48.975 And I was like, Oh, that's a bummer. 00:11:49.345 --> 00:11:50.025 She goes, yeah. 00:11:50.025 --> 00:11:53.925 I took it as a sign from God that it's time 00:11:53.925 --> 00:11:55.275 for you to get a job. 00:11:55.694 --> 00:11:56.565 And I was like, what? 00:11:57.405 --> 00:11:58.005 A job? 00:11:58.935 --> 00:12:00.475 I'd never worked in my life. 00:12:00.635 --> 00:12:00.695 Wow. 00:12:00.785 --> 00:12:02.175 I was like, fine. 00:12:02.175 --> 00:12:02.835 I'll get a job. 00:12:02.835 --> 00:12:04.575 So I went down to the bar and I got this job 00:12:04.575 --> 00:12:06.765 and I'll never forget the first paycheck I got. 00:12:07.095 --> 00:12:09.525 You know, I hadn't even, I wasn't feeding my horse 00:12:09.525 --> 00:12:10.815 even or turning it out. 00:12:10.875 --> 00:12:12.405 So I was working really hard and it's 00:12:12.435 --> 00:12:13.485 all proud of myself. 00:12:13.485 --> 00:12:17.265 And I got this check and you know, it was like, so 00:12:17.265 --> 00:12:18.984 little, I was like, can't even buy a shirt for 00:12:18.984 --> 00:12:21.865 this, let alone buy Ivy. 00:12:22.835 --> 00:12:22.925 Wow. 00:12:23.415 --> 00:12:24.655 Um, yeah. 00:12:24.675 --> 00:12:26.744 I kind of started a different progression 00:12:26.744 --> 00:12:29.204 of my life, which I'm super grateful for. 00:12:29.504 --> 00:12:29.805 Huh. 00:12:30.064 --> 00:12:33.144 So the wise dispensation of divine providence. 00:12:33.464 --> 00:12:35.264 I guess so. 00:12:35.314 --> 00:12:36.395 Holy crow. 00:12:37.594 --> 00:12:41.285 So you go from a pretty privileged 00:12:41.285 --> 00:12:45.150 life to wanting to be alone, essentially. 00:12:45.150 --> 00:12:47.400 You wanting to have wanting to be 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:48.600 out in the wild. 00:12:48.750 --> 00:12:50.550 What was driving that for you? 00:12:50.550 --> 00:12:52.500 Because it sounds like you come from a pretty 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:54.140 competitive background if you're going to be. 00:12:54.140 --> 00:12:54.479 Super. 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:56.020 Olympic level. 00:12:56.050 --> 00:12:56.280 No, yeah. 00:12:56.280 --> 00:12:58.410 Horse jumper, a sponsored snowboarder. 00:12:58.410 --> 00:12:59.750 Oh yeah, you're number one. 00:12:59.750 --> 00:13:01.939 That's all you do is you just work really hard 00:13:01.939 --> 00:13:04.160 and train, and that's all you focused on. 00:13:04.310 --> 00:13:06.050 Was that just something you're born with or 00:13:06.050 --> 00:13:07.220 is that something bred into you? 00:13:08.469 --> 00:13:09.939 My dad, definitely. 00:13:09.939 --> 00:13:10.160 Okay. 00:13:10.439 --> 00:13:14.050 My dad, everything was about winning and, you 00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:16.900 know, competition, ever since I can remember. 00:13:16.900 --> 00:13:18.880 You know, even playing checkers with them, 00:13:18.890 --> 00:13:21.189 wasn't like a fun game with your dad. 00:13:21.189 --> 00:13:23.620 You're like finger came off, you lose a turn. 00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:24.180 You're like, what? 00:13:24.180 --> 00:13:25.030 I'm like four. 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:26.449 Dutch. 00:13:26.890 --> 00:13:28.040 Totally the Dutch. 00:13:28.239 --> 00:13:30.120 I can say that I'm Dutch. 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:30.750 Totally. 00:13:31.150 --> 00:13:31.880 So, um, yeah. 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:35.670 I kind of took that level of intensity, 00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:39.180 uh, into training to be a naturalist, 00:13:39.180 --> 00:13:40.810 survivalist and tracker. 00:13:40.829 --> 00:13:43.979 And, um, just decided, hey, like this is 00:13:43.979 --> 00:13:46.050 something, I actually just felt really 00:13:46.050 --> 00:13:46.890 compelled to do it. 00:13:47.040 --> 00:13:49.560 I started having these incredible experiences 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:51.839 in nature that I just couldn't understand or 00:13:51.839 --> 00:13:52.829 even share with people. 00:13:52.829 --> 00:13:55.380 They seem so I don't know, magical 00:13:55.380 --> 00:13:56.470 and crazy and. 00:13:56.470 --> 00:13:56.870 Right. 00:13:56.870 --> 00:14:00.870 Um, I just felt compelled by something I couldn't 00:14:00.870 --> 00:14:02.760 understand, could make this my life. 00:14:03.180 --> 00:14:06.689 It really wasn't a conscious decision of, 00:14:06.689 --> 00:14:08.400 hey, this seems neat, I'm going to do it. 00:14:08.400 --> 00:14:10.439 It was like something I just, I had to do 00:14:10.439 --> 00:14:12.329 it, even though I was like, this is crazy. 00:14:12.329 --> 00:14:14.120 Who cares about starting fires with sticks? 00:14:14.140 --> 00:14:17.280 Like, I, I shouldn't care about this. 00:14:17.900 --> 00:14:21.319 Man, I, you know, as a kid, there was this 00:14:21.530 --> 00:14:23.689 group called Friends of the Fort and this 00:14:23.689 --> 00:14:25.640 was out in Fort Langley and they'd dress up in 00:14:25.640 --> 00:14:27.160 buckskins and moccasin. 00:14:27.220 --> 00:14:27.819 Oh yes I've been to it! 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.890 You remember that? 00:14:28.890 --> 00:14:29.470 Yes! 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.660 So there is a fellow there who was making 00:14:32.660 --> 00:14:35.089 flintlock rifles and I grew up in a, in 00:14:35.089 --> 00:14:36.380 a firearms family. 00:14:36.380 --> 00:14:39.350 And so my dad was getting into making his 00:14:39.350 --> 00:14:40.760 own kentucky rifle and. 00:14:41.069 --> 00:14:41.369 Cool. 00:14:41.469 --> 00:14:44.270 Yeah, and I started getting into that 00:14:44.420 --> 00:14:47.090 area as well, made my own moccasins and. 00:14:47.090 --> 00:14:47.230 Nice! 00:14:47.620 --> 00:14:50.660 Got wearing my, my knickers and I'd go 00:14:50.660 --> 00:14:51.740 out into Fort Langley. 00:14:51.740 --> 00:14:53.760 And when they did portage's and. 00:14:53.760 --> 00:14:53.839 Yeah. 00:14:53.839 --> 00:14:56.240 I don't know, it was kinda, it was kinda 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.685 neat, but I, you, you took that whole thing 00:15:00.285 --> 00:15:02.145 to the next level. 00:15:02.685 --> 00:15:06.885 I mean, you, you really pushed that, do you 00:15:06.885 --> 00:15:11.685 still feel that burning desire in yourself to, 00:15:12.335 --> 00:15:14.985 to keep foraging down the primitive path? 00:15:14.985 --> 00:15:18.065 Yeah, I do actually, even more so now. 00:15:18.095 --> 00:15:20.345 I did take, it's not like it took a break 00:15:20.345 --> 00:15:22.985 from it, but I, I did move out into the 00:15:22.985 --> 00:15:24.905 wilderness and become an off-grider, which is 00:15:24.965 --> 00:15:26.765 a different lifestyle than a primitive 00:15:26.765 --> 00:15:28.105 survivalist, if you will. 00:15:28.135 --> 00:15:28.425 Right. 00:15:28.575 --> 00:15:31.085 I mean, it has elements obviously of both, but 00:15:31.085 --> 00:15:33.035 being an off-grider is just a lot of 00:15:33.035 --> 00:15:34.165 hard labor work. 00:15:34.165 --> 00:15:34.565 Totally is. 00:15:35.125 --> 00:15:37.565 Um, building a cabin and all of that took 00:15:37.565 --> 00:15:40.905 a lot of me, from just simply hiking around 00:15:40.925 --> 00:15:42.785 the forest and trying to touch animals 00:15:42.875 --> 00:15:44.135 and doing what I do. 00:15:44.135 --> 00:15:47.135 So there was like several years where it was just 00:15:47.135 --> 00:15:50.825 more grunt laboring and, you know, taking time 00:15:50.825 --> 00:15:53.195 to do those things that I really wanted to do. 00:15:53.195 --> 00:15:56.655 But, um, I'm kind of, yeah, I'm just kinda 00:15:56.835 --> 00:15:59.085 getting back into the learning more 00:15:59.085 --> 00:16:00.255 about the old skills. 00:16:00.255 --> 00:16:02.485 I, I've reconnected, I was adopted. 00:16:02.625 --> 00:16:02.855 Okay. 00:16:03.145 --> 00:16:05.865 And I've reconnected with my birth family, 00:16:06.315 --> 00:16:09.405 which has been really exciting and, um, 00:16:09.585 --> 00:16:10.635 yeah, really exciting. 00:16:10.635 --> 00:16:11.895 I mean, it's been a lot of emotion. 00:16:11.905 --> 00:16:12.635 Don't get me wrong. 00:16:12.635 --> 00:16:12.825 Totally. 00:16:12.825 --> 00:16:16.905 But, um, so I found my family and some cousins 00:16:16.905 --> 00:16:18.975 and through that, I've recently found my birth 00:16:18.975 --> 00:16:21.255 mother and I'm Ojibwe. 00:16:21.525 --> 00:16:24.285 Um, so it's really excited to go back 00:16:24.285 --> 00:16:27.645 to Ontario and do a survival treck out there. 00:16:27.645 --> 00:16:29.775 Learning with, I've met a man that's going to 00:16:29.775 --> 00:16:31.545 teach me how to make a birch bark canoe. 00:16:31.814 --> 00:16:32.444 So cool. 00:16:32.505 --> 00:16:32.905 And, I know. 00:16:32.955 --> 00:16:35.025 I'm going to go out onto the land there where my 00:16:35.025 --> 00:16:38.925 ancestors are from and kind of relive that area 00:16:38.925 --> 00:16:40.875 and landscape, which I'm really excited about. 00:16:41.025 --> 00:16:43.125 Did you know that you were adopted or 00:16:43.125 --> 00:16:43.695 did you find that? 00:16:43.745 --> 00:16:45.995 Oh yeah, I've known, ever since I was 00:16:46.595 --> 00:16:49.055 born, I don't remember not being adopted. 00:16:49.325 --> 00:16:50.555 Um, my parents have always been 00:16:50.555 --> 00:16:51.575 very open about it. 00:16:51.935 --> 00:16:55.535 But it's interesting this whole circle of my life 00:16:55.565 --> 00:16:57.545 coming around, you know, when I was a little kid, 00:16:57.545 --> 00:17:00.755 all I wanted to do is, you know, live off the 00:17:00.755 --> 00:17:04.295 land and, you know, every Halloween I would dress 00:17:04.295 --> 00:17:06.125 up as like a native kid. 00:17:06.125 --> 00:17:06.835 And, um. 00:17:06.835 --> 00:17:07.694 It's just in your blood. 00:17:07.775 --> 00:17:10.475 Yeah, so clearly, there is a reason why 00:17:10.475 --> 00:17:11.965 I was learning all about it, it's just. 00:17:11.965 --> 00:17:12.395 Oh that's interesting. 00:17:12.395 --> 00:17:13.085 A part of me. 00:17:13.115 --> 00:17:13.535 Yeah. 00:17:13.565 --> 00:17:15.204 So it's been really interesting and fun 00:17:15.204 --> 00:17:17.704 and to reconnect with that and just start 00:17:17.704 --> 00:17:20.225 learning all about just the Anishinaabe. 00:17:20.375 --> 00:17:21.845 And I'm really excited about it. 00:17:22.235 --> 00:17:26.255 Now, so I wasn't adopted, but I'm just thinking 00:17:26.255 --> 00:17:29.760 about it now, did you feel, maybe a sense of 00:17:30.390 --> 00:17:35.220 social isolation, as in that, or maybe just a 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:36.350 level of connectedness? 00:17:36.350 --> 00:17:36.990 Oh, absolutely. 00:17:37.010 --> 00:17:37.280 Yeah. 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:39.010 And I've actually just in the last couple 00:17:39.030 --> 00:17:41.660 months have been really delving into that. 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:44.400 I mean, there was definitely a, I 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.420 would say, not a separation perhaps, 00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:51.630 but just a belonging, I think is the word. 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.640 You know, it's not like a don't belong 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:54.410 with my family now. 00:17:54.410 --> 00:17:55.389 I love my family. 00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:55.530 Sure. 00:17:55.530 --> 00:17:57.120 I mean, that's my mom and my dad 00:17:57.120 --> 00:17:57.720 and my brother. 00:17:58.020 --> 00:18:00.660 Um, but there is a sense as an adopted person 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:03.030 that, you know that you're not related. 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.990 Um, and I think that has permeated my whole 00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:09.600 life of this, not belonging with other, 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:12.960 you know, I didn't know my heritage, you know, 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.940 I'm Scottish and, um. 00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:15.480 Cool. 00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:15.870 Yeah. 00:18:15.870 --> 00:18:18.060 I'm Scottish and Native and, uh, I didn't 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:18.840 know any of that. 00:18:18.840 --> 00:18:21.210 So I've spent most of my life studying 00:18:21.570 --> 00:18:23.940 Native traditions and Celtic traditions, 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:25.170 which is interesting. 00:18:25.370 --> 00:18:27.170 So you have your bannock with your Haigis? 00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:28.700 That's right! 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:31.970 Um, yeah, I think, I think that's why I've 00:18:31.970 --> 00:18:34.610 been always attracted to nature because I feel 00:18:34.610 --> 00:18:35.570 like I belong there. 00:18:35.600 --> 00:18:37.820 It's like the one place that, that is truly 00:18:37.820 --> 00:18:40.070 my home and my people in a way, you know? 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:40.670 Totally. 00:18:40.760 --> 00:18:43.889 Um, So, yeah, I think that's also why I've 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:45.750 been, I love being alone. 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:47.370 I'm totally comfortable being alone. 00:18:47.399 --> 00:18:48.629 I think that's why it was great for the 00:18:48.629 --> 00:18:50.820 show, because I've always played by 00:18:50.820 --> 00:18:51.840 myself as a little kid. 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:54.090 I've no problem, I can always entertain. 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:55.199 I'm never bored. 00:18:56.659 --> 00:19:01.100 Do you find it difficult to socialize in groups? 00:19:01.550 --> 00:19:04.100 Do you find it maybe particularly, after 00:19:04.100 --> 00:19:06.320 you've been alone for a while, that transition 00:19:06.320 --> 00:19:07.969 period, is that a difficult transition? 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:12.139 I would say I used to be, uh, I used to, to 00:19:12.139 --> 00:19:14.209 be honest, people used to really irritate me. 00:19:14.629 --> 00:19:15.560 Um, I just. 00:19:15.560 --> 00:19:16.930 I can hear that. 00:19:16.930 --> 00:19:20.510 I just, yeah, I'd rather do things myself. 00:19:20.540 --> 00:19:23.209 Um, wasn't a great team player. 00:19:23.629 --> 00:19:27.709 Um, but once I went on Alone, I honestly, 00:19:27.709 --> 00:19:28.489 it was so strange. 00:19:28.520 --> 00:19:32.060 I went on TV show Alone, so figure out what 00:19:32.060 --> 00:19:33.020 it's like to be alone. 00:19:33.020 --> 00:19:35.959 And it turned out when I came back from that, 00:19:35.959 --> 00:19:39.645 that I just, I got this incredible love 00:19:39.645 --> 00:19:40.995 of humanity out of it. 00:19:41.595 --> 00:19:44.925 Um, which made no sense to me, but when 00:19:44.925 --> 00:19:47.985 I left and while I was out there, I just, I 00:19:47.985 --> 00:19:50.804 don't know, it was just this incredible night. 00:19:50.804 --> 00:19:52.304 And just all of a sudden was like, wow, 00:19:52.334 --> 00:19:54.675 I love people, where I would never have 00:19:54.675 --> 00:19:55.784 said that before. 00:19:55.845 --> 00:19:57.675 And if you talk to anybody that was on 00:19:57.675 --> 00:19:59.824 that show prior to now, they're like, yeah, I 00:19:59.824 --> 00:20:01.324 don't know what happened to Nikki out in the 00:20:01.324 --> 00:20:04.145 woods, but something fundamentally changed 00:20:04.145 --> 00:20:05.014 about this woman. 00:20:05.284 --> 00:20:06.294 Was it like a light switch? 00:20:06.294 --> 00:20:08.764 Yeah, it was just like instantaneously 00:20:08.764 --> 00:20:10.715 one night I was crawling into my bed. 00:20:10.925 --> 00:20:11.675 That's interesting. 00:20:11.685 --> 00:20:12.024 I know. 00:20:12.034 --> 00:20:14.105 It's like, I was struck by some star 00:20:14.135 --> 00:20:15.185 and I'm like, wow. 00:20:15.215 --> 00:20:17.165 I feel like an entirely different person. 00:20:17.165 --> 00:20:19.115 It took me about a year getting back off 00:20:19.115 --> 00:20:21.754 the show to figure out who I was and how to 00:20:21.754 --> 00:20:25.415 interact because I was so genuinely concerned 00:20:25.415 --> 00:20:27.965 and interested about other people where before 00:20:27.965 --> 00:20:31.185 I honestly, I didn't really care too much 00:20:31.185 --> 00:20:33.345 about what was going on in other people's 00:20:33.345 --> 00:20:35.505 lives, as much as I should have or wanted to. 00:20:35.735 --> 00:20:38.645 Was there an event that somehow triggered that 00:20:38.645 --> 00:20:40.055 rewiring of the brain? 00:20:40.265 --> 00:20:43.835 Yeah, i, I wish I could say what it was and 00:20:43.835 --> 00:20:45.755 I've gone back through time and time again and 00:20:45.755 --> 00:20:46.745 my journals and stuff. 00:20:46.775 --> 00:20:48.545 I mean, you're not allowed to write anything 00:20:48.605 --> 00:20:49.475 when you're on Alone. 00:20:49.505 --> 00:20:49.805 Okay. 00:20:50.105 --> 00:20:52.625 So there's no way of recording down what's 00:20:52.625 --> 00:20:53.885 happening to you daily. 00:20:54.935 --> 00:20:59.135 Um, and so it becomes harder after to get 00:20:59.135 --> 00:21:02.125 back those memories and leaving the show in the 00:21:02.125 --> 00:21:03.545 way I did, you know, I was pulled out, it was 00:21:03.545 --> 00:21:04.475 pretty traumatic for me. 00:21:04.475 --> 00:21:07.110 So I had quite a lot of trauma after that 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:09.120 initially for the first couple of weeks back. 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:12.300 And so, not that I've lost memories of it, but 00:21:12.389 --> 00:21:14.850 it's hard to get back all of the things that happen 00:21:14.850 --> 00:21:16.649 to you on a daily basis on a show like that. 00:21:17.040 --> 00:21:19.500 So I don't know what triggered that moment. 00:21:19.830 --> 00:21:22.950 I feel like it's my life, you know, just 00:21:23.610 --> 00:21:25.919 every little thing, step, had come up to 00:21:25.919 --> 00:21:27.750 this moment where I was alone in the Arctic. 00:21:27.750 --> 00:21:28.800 And I was like, yay. 00:21:28.830 --> 00:21:30.360 Here's who I truly am. 00:21:30.360 --> 00:21:32.429 And I'm not afraid to be who I truly 00:21:32.429 --> 00:21:34.679 am anymore because I was on that show. 00:21:34.770 --> 00:21:37.500 And, um, I think there was just a lot of 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.350 things that happened to me emotionally and 00:21:40.350 --> 00:21:43.379 spiritually on Alone that I had never dreamed 00:21:43.379 --> 00:21:44.340 would have happened. 00:21:44.540 --> 00:21:46.310 The universe unfolds as it should. 00:21:46.310 --> 00:21:46.690 Yeah. 00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:47.689 It's really cool. 00:21:47.779 --> 00:21:50.590 Well you talk about a spiritual side, and I 00:21:50.600 --> 00:21:52.280 want to touch on that because you talk about 00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:53.050 it in your book as well. 00:21:53.050 --> 00:21:54.500 And I, and I find a couple of things that you 00:21:54.500 --> 00:21:57.770 wrote really interesting, but before we go there, 00:21:58.010 --> 00:22:00.645 what were some of the most difficult things 00:22:00.675 --> 00:22:04.845 you found about being alone for 51 days? 00:22:05.765 --> 00:22:10.565 Um, I really didn't find anything difficult 00:22:10.565 --> 00:22:11.585 about being alone. 00:22:11.585 --> 00:22:13.625 It was amazing as soon as I stepped off that 00:22:13.625 --> 00:22:17.345 helicopter, I just like, couldn't wait to see 00:22:17.345 --> 00:22:18.665 that thing disappear. 00:22:18.665 --> 00:22:20.615 You know, I was like, yes, I'm finally gonna 00:22:20.645 --> 00:22:22.685 know what it's like to truly be alone. 00:22:22.685 --> 00:22:23.825 Like we just don't get that. 00:22:24.335 --> 00:22:25.715 I don't know if it's a luxury, but we 00:22:25.715 --> 00:22:27.395 just don't get that experience in modern 00:22:27.395 --> 00:22:28.535 life anymore to be alone. 00:22:28.535 --> 00:22:28.955 I mean, it's. 00:22:28.975 --> 00:22:29.265 You don't. 00:22:29.265 --> 00:22:30.465 It's impossible to find. 00:22:30.845 --> 00:22:32.605 Not in the cities anyways, that's for sure. 00:22:32.635 --> 00:22:35.855 No and so I was like really excited to feel 00:22:35.855 --> 00:22:38.315 what that was going to feel like, and I 00:22:38.315 --> 00:22:41.135 had never felt more connected to my friends 00:22:41.135 --> 00:22:44.310 and my family and my teachers in my whole life 00:22:44.310 --> 00:22:45.100 while I was on alone. 00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:47.220 Like it was almost to the point where I just 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:49.080 felt there were so many people around me. 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:50.550 I get goosebumps thinking about it. 00:22:50.850 --> 00:22:52.590 I'd be like, look people, back up. 00:22:52.590 --> 00:22:54.300 Like I just, I need some space around 00:22:54.300 --> 00:22:55.629 like fire pit. 00:22:56.580 --> 00:22:58.860 So I, I never missed anybody. 00:22:59.190 --> 00:23:01.740 I thought I ,actually thought I felt kind 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:02.250 of bad about it. 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:03.360 I was like, I should probably feel bad, 00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:04.919 I don't miss a single person, but. 00:23:05.535 --> 00:23:07.635 I felt like I could just reach out to 00:23:07.635 --> 00:23:09.615 them and there they were, you know, I had 00:23:09.615 --> 00:23:10.755 certain things in place. 00:23:10.755 --> 00:23:13.485 Like when the moon, full moon was there, 00:23:13.485 --> 00:23:15.885 my grandmother would be thinking about me. 00:23:15.885 --> 00:23:18.015 And at night, you know, I had different 00:23:18.015 --> 00:23:19.995 things that, my mom would light a candle. 00:23:19.995 --> 00:23:23.715 And I don't know if that helped or not, but, um, I 00:23:23.715 --> 00:23:26.775 certainly never felt like there wasn't a moment 00:23:26.775 --> 00:23:29.265 I could reach out to, uh, even a teacher with 00:23:29.265 --> 00:23:32.325 an answer I needed and immediately my mind would 00:23:32.325 --> 00:23:34.905 be filled with, hey, that's a great idea where 00:23:34.905 --> 00:23:37.115 it came from, I don't know, uh, you know, but. 00:23:37.155 --> 00:23:37.665 Really? 00:23:37.695 --> 00:23:41.355 It was really, really cool to just have this 00:23:41.445 --> 00:23:44.445 incredible sense of connection, even though I 00:23:44.445 --> 00:23:45.735 was so far from anything. 00:23:46.245 --> 00:23:47.235 That is pretty neat. 00:23:47.445 --> 00:23:53.265 So I never, I never had any, just loneliness or 00:23:53.265 --> 00:23:57.045 I miss my family so much or anything like that. 00:23:57.135 --> 00:24:01.935 I have no, no experience about that., The things 00:24:01.935 --> 00:24:03.765 that are painful for people on the show. 00:24:03.885 --> 00:24:04.195 Right. 00:24:04.335 --> 00:24:06.255 I didn't feel those things that others 00:24:06.285 --> 00:24:06.825 went through. 00:24:07.805 --> 00:24:11.345 Do you find it hard to quiet the 00:24:11.345 --> 00:24:13.025 voices in your head? 00:24:13.865 --> 00:24:16.505 I mean, we have so many distractions in 00:24:16.505 --> 00:24:19.655 our day-to-day life, living in the city or 00:24:19.655 --> 00:24:23.435 living in civilization and with technology and 00:24:23.525 --> 00:24:27.575 text messages and social media and all the rest. 00:24:28.625 --> 00:24:31.895 I personally find it takes me a few days 00:24:31.895 --> 00:24:34.895 anyways, when I'm out in the bush to decompress. 00:24:34.925 --> 00:24:38.825 And in those few days, my head is just going crazy. 00:24:38.885 --> 00:24:40.865 And all of this stuff that maybe I haven't 00:24:40.865 --> 00:24:42.785 thought about in a long time starts popping 00:24:42.785 --> 00:24:45.635 in and, uh, arguments I've had in the past 00:24:45.635 --> 00:24:47.455 start popping up and you have, all of 00:24:47.455 --> 00:24:48.785 this inner dialogue. 00:24:50.495 --> 00:24:54.245 If I'm on my own long enough, eventually 00:24:54.245 --> 00:24:55.835 that changes. 00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:58.680 But it doesn't go away, but it changes. 00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:58.740 Yeah. 00:24:58.990 --> 00:25:00.450 What's your experience with that? 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.040 Because I've never been 51 days alone. 00:25:03.070 --> 00:25:03.400 Yeah. 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.490 Um, I, I have learned how to control 00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:08.480 the inner chatter. 00:25:09.050 --> 00:25:11.600 Um, it's I think one of the most important 00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:13.460 survival skills we can have is to learn how 00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:16.010 to control our mind and our emotions far 00:25:16.010 --> 00:25:17.050 more than the skills. 00:25:17.320 --> 00:25:17.610 Totally. 00:25:17.639 --> 00:25:20.510 Um, and so I've done a lot of work in my life 00:25:20.540 --> 00:25:24.020 to, it's not, I think there's a misconception. 00:25:24.050 --> 00:25:26.960 It's not turning it off because our mind is our 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.250 most powerful thing. 00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:30.620 So I don't want to turn my mind off because it 00:25:30.649 --> 00:25:32.210 thinks up amazing stuff. 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.100 And it's going to save my life in a lot of 00:25:34.100 --> 00:25:36.540 instances and harm me in different instances. 00:25:36.540 --> 00:25:36.919 So. 00:25:36.950 --> 00:25:37.190 Right. 00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:40.250 I like, I don't necessarily turn it off. 00:25:40.280 --> 00:25:41.389 I just focus it. 00:25:41.930 --> 00:25:45.110 And when I don't want all the chatter, I have 00:25:45.139 --> 00:25:48.379 figured out how to quiet that out mostly by. 00:25:49.635 --> 00:25:52.305 Here, I can hear the, I don't want to say 00:25:52.305 --> 00:25:53.995 useless chatter, but you know what I mean? 00:25:53.995 --> 00:25:54.705 I totally know what you mean. 00:25:54.705 --> 00:25:55.685 Just the useless stuff that you're 00:25:55.685 --> 00:25:57.675 like, wow, I just need a break from you. 00:25:57.675 --> 00:25:59.445 And I, as soon as that comes in, I'm like, 00:25:59.475 --> 00:26:03.045 hey, thanks a lot um, not important to me. 00:26:03.105 --> 00:26:06.795 And I just don't continue on with the stories 00:26:06.795 --> 00:26:07.725 that we tell ourselves. 00:26:08.225 --> 00:26:11.235 It it's, it's a habit that I started that I 00:26:11.235 --> 00:26:13.485 worked hard on and it's just become natural 00:26:13.485 --> 00:26:16.365 now because it does interfere with your time 00:26:16.365 --> 00:26:17.775 and in the wilderness. 00:26:17.775 --> 00:26:21.015 Like you have to be able to have, uh, 00:26:22.425 --> 00:26:25.845 really open and engaged and focused mind when 00:26:25.845 --> 00:26:26.745 you're out in the woods. 00:26:26.775 --> 00:26:28.125 Otherwise you're going to miss, you 00:26:28.125 --> 00:26:30.795 know, that one plant in the Arctic, right? 00:26:30.795 --> 00:26:33.435 The four leaves I managed to find that 00:26:33.435 --> 00:26:34.455 were edible, right. 00:26:35.115 --> 00:26:38.175 I found six Rose hips walking around a 00:26:38.175 --> 00:26:41.025 landscape and noticing one old Rose hip. 00:26:41.055 --> 00:26:42.855 I mean, you have to be very aware to 00:26:43.095 --> 00:26:44.085 even notice that. 00:26:44.115 --> 00:26:46.284 And if your mind's chattering around, it's 00:26:46.305 --> 00:26:47.385 like, oh I wonder what people are going to 00:26:47.385 --> 00:26:48.975 think of me right now, I wonder how I look holding 00:26:48.975 --> 00:26:51.315 this camera up when I have, you know, snot 00:26:51.335 --> 00:26:52.355 running down my face. 00:26:52.415 --> 00:26:55.205 And I'm sure I look like hell, and if you have 00:26:55.535 --> 00:26:58.565 those kinds of thoughts, you're literally not 00:26:58.565 --> 00:27:01.285 going to be as successful as you could be, so. 00:27:01.285 --> 00:27:03.135 Oh you're done. 00:27:03.435 --> 00:27:06.275 Um, and, and, and that I think was the one 00:27:06.275 --> 00:27:10.205 thing that, um, I loved about the show was, 00:27:11.235 --> 00:27:15.165 I just made it, uh, a personal mission to say, 00:27:15.165 --> 00:27:16.635 okay, I'm going to try to make the best show 00:27:16.635 --> 00:27:17.835 I can for these people. 00:27:17.835 --> 00:27:19.725 And I'm going to film everything the 00:27:19.725 --> 00:27:22.995 worst, the best, the in-between, you know, 00:27:22.995 --> 00:27:25.095 I'm going to cry if I feel like I need to cry. 00:27:25.095 --> 00:27:27.075 I'm going to laugh, I'm going to goof off. 00:27:27.165 --> 00:27:29.715 I don't, I'm just going to do that all. 00:27:29.715 --> 00:27:31.515 And it was the most freeing thing I've 00:27:31.515 --> 00:27:32.475 ever done in my life. 00:27:32.535 --> 00:27:35.205 Like to be on national TV and especially my 00:27:35.205 --> 00:27:37.625 story, if you've seen, obviously like it 00:27:37.625 --> 00:27:41.105 was just a wreck out there, total nightmare. 00:27:41.495 --> 00:27:44.465 I have no idea why all that happened, but it 00:27:44.465 --> 00:27:48.065 was an incredible story of one thing after the 00:27:48.065 --> 00:27:49.445 other happened to me. 00:27:49.445 --> 00:27:51.605 Like I've, I am definitely gone 00:27:51.605 --> 00:27:54.185 down in history as the most accident 00:27:54.185 --> 00:27:56.905 prone participant ever in the history. 00:27:57.405 --> 00:27:58.765 I don't know if you really want to 00:27:58.765 --> 00:28:00.605 claim that, but I will claim that. 00:28:01.655 --> 00:28:05.645 So are you generally accident prone? 00:28:05.735 --> 00:28:07.975 No, this was so phenomenal 00:28:07.975 --> 00:28:08.815 about the story. 00:28:08.815 --> 00:28:12.175 Like I'm not, I'm actually, literally 00:28:12.185 --> 00:28:14.155 soon as I stepped off that helicopter, I 00:28:14.155 --> 00:28:17.035 mean the whole time you say to yourself, 00:28:17.065 --> 00:28:19.495 look, if I cut myself, I could be out of here. 00:28:19.495 --> 00:28:21.085 I want that $500,000. 00:28:21.085 --> 00:28:22.975 So every time I picked up my ass, I was 00:28:22.975 --> 00:28:25.135 like, be careful if you get an ax cut. 00:28:25.225 --> 00:28:27.595 Every time, every time I picked up my knife, I 00:28:27.595 --> 00:28:28.945 would just remind myself. 00:28:28.945 --> 00:28:31.795 And, um, there was just, gosh, you know, 00:28:31.795 --> 00:28:36.315 I cut towards myself and like I teach 00:28:36.315 --> 00:28:37.415 knife safety, right? 00:28:37.415 --> 00:28:37.895 Yes. 00:28:38.375 --> 00:28:40.555 Oh, you know, the worst was probably I stabbed 00:28:40.575 --> 00:28:42.975 myself with my arr- I've actually never 00:28:43.365 --> 00:28:46.335 used modern arrows, they're like razorblades, 00:28:46.395 --> 00:28:47.545 obviously you know. 00:28:47.545 --> 00:28:47.985 Yes, yes. 00:28:48.004 --> 00:28:50.865 I was like, whoa, these are razorblades. 00:28:51.254 --> 00:28:52.665 And every time I carried one, I was 00:28:52.665 --> 00:28:54.825 like, okay, be careful, this is a razorblade 00:28:54.855 --> 00:28:57.534 you could literally damage yourself and. 00:28:58.354 --> 00:28:58.935 And you did. 00:28:58.995 --> 00:29:00.915 And I did, you know, I was pulling up my 00:29:00.915 --> 00:29:03.165 pants coming home late from hunting, 00:29:03.835 --> 00:29:04.695 looking for moose. 00:29:04.695 --> 00:29:07.125 And I just, you know, did that like jump 00:29:07.125 --> 00:29:08.355 up with your pants. 00:29:08.385 --> 00:29:08.805 Yes. 00:29:08.805 --> 00:29:10.875 And I was holding one arrow and one area was 00:29:10.875 --> 00:29:13.785 always on, and when I came down, I just 00:29:13.995 --> 00:29:16.125 jabbed the back of my leg with the arrow and I 00:29:16.125 --> 00:29:18.645 thought, Oh no, it just probably nicked me, it 00:29:18.645 --> 00:29:20.285 was like walking down. 00:29:20.585 --> 00:29:20.955 Nope. 00:29:20.955 --> 00:29:22.185 I could feel the blood drippin'. 00:29:22.185 --> 00:29:23.685 I was like, ah, geez. 00:29:24.075 --> 00:29:25.905 And you know, it's, this was like, hey 00:29:25.915 --> 00:29:26.595 I'm going to film it. 00:29:27.045 --> 00:29:27.885 Like, I'm going to film it. 00:29:27.915 --> 00:29:30.525 I mean, you don't have to film everything, 00:29:30.525 --> 00:29:33.255 which was the unliving thing for my part of the 00:29:33.255 --> 00:29:34.365 story for me personally. 00:29:34.365 --> 00:29:37.635 I mean, just to be able to say, hey, it's 00:29:37.635 --> 00:29:40.185 not that I don't care what people think. 00:29:40.215 --> 00:29:42.555 It's just, this is what happened, this is the 00:29:42.555 --> 00:29:43.725 truth of what happened. 00:29:43.725 --> 00:29:45.495 I'm willing to own up to that truth. 00:29:45.525 --> 00:29:47.595 And, um, I'm willing to learn from it 00:29:47.595 --> 00:29:50.145 and it's okay that we make mistakes. 00:29:50.175 --> 00:29:53.445 And to be able to be, to the world, your 00:29:53.445 --> 00:29:56.965 worst moments, like now in my life I'm 00:29:56.985 --> 00:29:59.475 like what isn't there I can say or do that. 00:29:59.475 --> 00:30:00.135 Totally. 00:30:00.845 --> 00:30:01.195 Like it. 00:30:01.195 --> 00:30:01.955 It's liberating. 00:30:01.955 --> 00:30:03.855 It was, it was the most freedom I've 00:30:03.855 --> 00:30:05.004 ever felt in my life. 00:30:05.555 --> 00:30:05.795 Wow. 00:30:05.865 --> 00:30:06.645 Yeah, it's really cool. 00:30:06.745 --> 00:30:08.285 As long as you can carry that with you 00:30:08.285 --> 00:30:10.145 in your mind, as you go forward and carry 00:30:10.145 --> 00:30:12.515 that experience, you'll continue with that 00:30:12.515 --> 00:30:13.685 freedom I should imagine. 00:30:13.725 --> 00:30:14.355 Yes. 00:30:14.355 --> 00:30:15.245 Yeah, it was. 00:30:15.725 --> 00:30:18.600 I mean, I've, just from my experiences, I've 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:20.639 felt what it is like to be truly free, but 00:30:20.639 --> 00:30:22.680 this just added another dimension on to that. 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.460 That was really, uh, yeah, life-changing 00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:27.120 for me, for sure. 00:30:27.409 --> 00:30:30.350 Well, you talk about using sap to heal wounds. 00:30:31.110 --> 00:30:34.220 My, uh, you know, I don't think my family has got 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:38.629 the best record with booby traps, but I, uh, 00:30:38.790 --> 00:30:40.010 I've never met my uncle. 00:30:40.010 --> 00:30:42.980 He, uh, he died before, before I was born, but, 00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:46.820 uh, uh, he was in Royal 22nd Regiment and had a 00:30:46.820 --> 00:30:50.930 faulty grenade that went off and, but, um, I guess 00:30:50.930 --> 00:30:54.290 as a kid, he wanted to make a booby trap and 00:30:54.290 --> 00:30:57.800 he found an old rusty lawnmower blade and, and, 00:30:57.800 --> 00:31:00.170 uh, put a trip wire up and put this blade out 00:31:00.170 --> 00:31:02.690 and laid down beside it, measured it out for about 00:31:02.690 --> 00:31:03.810 a kid's head height and. 00:31:04.020 --> 00:31:04.409 Oh my. 00:31:04.739 --> 00:31:06.290 And figured, ahh this will be perfect, right? 00:31:06.290 --> 00:31:07.909 The stupid things that kids do right? 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:11.565 And, uh, I guess, some months later, completely 00:31:11.565 --> 00:31:13.875 forgetting about it, ran through and tripped and 00:31:13.905 --> 00:31:15.765 cut himself in his head. 00:31:15.885 --> 00:31:18.264 And the neighbor came out and found him and 00:31:18.264 --> 00:31:20.895 he says, I know what we got to do, use some sap. 00:31:21.325 --> 00:31:23.085 We gotta use some sap to heal this up. 00:31:23.085 --> 00:31:23.284 Nice. 00:31:23.995 --> 00:31:26.475 I guess my grandmother had other ideas and took 00:31:26.475 --> 00:31:27.405 him to the hospital. 00:31:27.405 --> 00:31:29.175 But, uh, does that work? 00:31:29.215 --> 00:31:29.955 Yes! 00:31:29.985 --> 00:31:30.275 Yeah? 00:31:30.475 --> 00:31:31.235 It's great. 00:31:31.265 --> 00:31:33.305 Like when I was out in, uh, for the year 00:31:33.305 --> 00:31:35.795 and a half, I used sap exclusively. 00:31:36.455 --> 00:31:39.065 That . Particular treck, I decided 00:31:39.065 --> 00:31:40.325 to only use plants. 00:31:40.355 --> 00:31:42.485 I mean, I had a first aid kit that I had brought 00:31:42.485 --> 00:31:45.555 out, it was pretty meager to be honest when I look 00:31:45.635 --> 00:31:48.365 back at it, but, um, I never had to use it. 00:31:48.365 --> 00:31:50.975 I only used plants to, um, heal any of the 00:31:50.975 --> 00:31:53.855 injuries and even the biggest gashes, if you 00:31:53.855 --> 00:31:59.160 use really clean sap, um, and kinda, I warm 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.380 it up and then pour it into the wound. 00:32:01.590 --> 00:32:03.420 It, it actually lets the wound heal 00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:04.500 from the inside out. 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.780 So it acts like a band-aid for one. 00:32:06.870 --> 00:32:08.760 Stuff sticks to it at first, but then it 00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:11.040 becomes less sticky and then it just kind of 00:32:11.370 --> 00:32:12.870 heals from the inside. 00:32:12.870 --> 00:32:15.240 So it doesn't get infected because sap 00:32:15.450 --> 00:32:17.340 has antibacterial properties in it. 00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:19.830 And you don't have to worry about it again. 00:32:19.830 --> 00:32:21.060 You don't have to keep changing 00:32:21.060 --> 00:32:22.320 dressings or whatever. 00:32:22.410 --> 00:32:24.510 Um, just sticks on there. 00:32:24.600 --> 00:32:26.310 Does it matter what kind of tree you get it from? 00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:29.220 Well, so I had good success with the 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:31.590 firs, uh, Douglas fir. 00:32:31.620 --> 00:32:35.070 When I was in the Arctic, I really, I don't know 00:32:35.070 --> 00:32:36.270 what was going on there. 00:32:36.930 --> 00:32:39.150 Honestly, it was so cold, I would heat up 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:41.340 the pitch and by the time I would even try to get 00:32:41.340 --> 00:32:42.690 it on some of my wounds. 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.649 It would, it would just, harden right away 00:32:45.659 --> 00:32:47.699 cause it was so cold and that's practically 00:32:47.699 --> 00:32:50.159 burned my hand, trying to get the pitch in there. 00:32:50.159 --> 00:32:51.689 And it would just always kind of fall 00:32:51.689 --> 00:32:52.919 out as it would freeze. 00:32:53.370 --> 00:32:55.740 So I'm not sure if it's more of a climate 00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:57.389 or if it was just different pitch. 00:32:57.419 --> 00:32:59.070 I mean, I tried different pitches in the Arctic. 00:32:59.070 --> 00:33:02.399 I couldn't quite give you a perfect answer 00:33:02.399 --> 00:33:04.560 on that, but the pitch really didn't help. 00:33:04.590 --> 00:33:06.600 I was trying to use pitch to heal all the 00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:08.310 cracks in my fingers in the Arctic cause 00:33:08.310 --> 00:33:09.330 it was really painful. 00:33:09.510 --> 00:33:10.070 I could imagine. 00:33:10.070 --> 00:33:11.669 And it just never worked. 00:33:13.159 --> 00:33:14.360 You know, I've got another story about 00:33:14.360 --> 00:33:16.070 booby traps, but I think I'll say that for 00:33:16.070 --> 00:33:17.020 a different podcast. 00:33:17.139 --> 00:33:19.810 Booby traps are the best. 00:33:19.810 --> 00:33:20.360 Booby traps. 00:33:20.719 --> 00:33:22.790 It's like that, uh, what was it Goonies? 00:33:24.139 --> 00:33:26.360 What was that kid's name with the slick shoes? 00:33:26.649 --> 00:33:28.439 Oh my God, I can't remember. 00:33:28.439 --> 00:33:28.709 Booby traps. 00:33:28.709 --> 00:33:29.189 Booby traps. 00:33:29.219 --> 00:33:29.749 Totally. 00:33:29.769 --> 00:33:29.939 Data! 00:33:29.939 --> 00:33:30.109 Yes! 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:30.769 yes. 00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:31.349 Data. 00:33:31.409 --> 00:33:33.139 That was his name. 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:38.330 So, and I'm not being cheeky here, 00:33:38.360 --> 00:33:39.080 but I gotta ask. 00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:40.370 Oh, you can be cheeky. 00:33:40.919 --> 00:33:42.990 Is Sasquatch real? 00:33:43.050 --> 00:33:44.470 Oh great! 00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:44.740 Oh. 00:33:44.740 --> 00:33:47.040 And not necessarily Sasquatch. 00:33:47.040 --> 00:33:49.230 And the reason I ask this is because, and am 00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:50.190 I pronouncing this right? 00:33:51.060 --> 00:33:51.610 Dzunukwa. 00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:51.980 Yeah. 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:52.740 Dzunukwa. 00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:54.400 Female Sasquatch. 00:33:54.590 --> 00:33:56.960 Yeah, the wild woman of the woods. 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:57.580 Yes. 00:33:58.010 --> 00:34:00.290 So this is an incredible question. 00:34:00.290 --> 00:34:01.670 It's one of those questions that 00:34:01.820 --> 00:34:04.610 you're saying, okay, like, how am I going 00:34:04.610 --> 00:34:05.540 to answer this? 00:34:05.540 --> 00:34:08.900 Because just the, I don't know, the culture around 00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:11.600 Sasquatch is, it's nutty. 00:34:11.929 --> 00:34:16.010 Um, but I have to say the native communities, 00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:19.040 indigenous people all over the world, there 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:23.310 is some supernatural being, if you will, as 00:34:23.310 --> 00:34:25.680 a Sasquatch, whether it's the Yetis and the 00:34:25.680 --> 00:34:26.950 Sasquatchs, the Dzunukwa. 00:34:26.970 --> 00:34:29.280 I mean, there's so many cultures around the world 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.930 that have this being in their, uh, history. 00:34:34.080 --> 00:34:34.380 Right. 00:34:34.620 --> 00:34:37.960 10,000 years of storytelling of Bakwas 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.780 and Dzunukwa for the Northwest people. 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:42.870 I mean, I'm not, obviously can't speak 00:34:42.870 --> 00:34:46.890 to their traditions on that being, but 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.940 it's alive and well energy that is talked 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:52.680 about where I live. 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:55.410 Um, amongst the people that I have had, 00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:58.410 I have to say some pretty incredible, 00:34:58.770 --> 00:35:01.170 unexplainable, experiences with things 00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:03.330 in the woods that I don't know how to 00:35:03.330 --> 00:35:05.520 explain with tracks. 00:35:05.640 --> 00:35:09.450 Um, and I've definitely been chased and heard 00:35:09.450 --> 00:35:12.330 something coming at me with a friend of mine. 00:35:12.810 --> 00:35:15.640 That was extraordinarily scary. 00:35:15.640 --> 00:35:15.770 Yeah? 00:35:15.830 --> 00:35:19.230 That I have no idea what I was, shaking huge 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.450 Alder trees that were about a foot and a half 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:26.490 probably wide making this horrid yelling, screaming 00:35:26.490 --> 00:35:27.680 kind of noise and. 00:35:27.680 --> 00:35:27.900 Really? 00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:29.760 Charging through this thick brush. 00:35:30.450 --> 00:35:32.100 I mean, my friend and I just looked at her like, 00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:35.100 I have no idea what that is like, is that a bear? 00:35:35.100 --> 00:35:37.740 Or like, it wasn't, unlike any sound I've 00:35:37.740 --> 00:35:38.760 ever heard a bear make. 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.870 I've been around a bears a long time. 00:35:40.870 --> 00:35:41.290 Yeah you have. 00:35:41.290 --> 00:35:43.860 And I got to say, I don't know what it 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.750 was, but my friend and I didn't wait around. 00:35:45.750 --> 00:35:48.810 My dog was already like 500 feet down. 00:35:48.810 --> 00:35:49.070 See ya! 00:35:49.070 --> 00:35:50.550 The trail, just left me. 00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:53.940 My friend and I just like ran miles back to 00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.770 our truck and we never talked about it again. 00:35:55.770 --> 00:35:56.820 It was just one of those things like, 00:35:57.120 --> 00:35:59.280 hey, you know, years later we'd be like, 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.950 hey, remember that hike we took at last lake. 00:36:02.950 --> 00:36:04.440 And you're like, Oh yeah. 00:36:04.770 --> 00:36:06.120 What do you think that was? 00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:07.170 I have no idea. 00:36:08.130 --> 00:36:09.270 Okay, well have a good life. 00:36:09.330 --> 00:36:10.230 I'll talk to you in a year. 00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:10.920 Um, 00:36:11.535 --> 00:36:13.904 I like that definition of an energy or 00:36:13.904 --> 00:36:15.025 a spirit or a. 00:36:15.025 --> 00:36:15.595 Yeah I mean. 00:36:15.595 --> 00:36:15.845 A feeling. 00:36:15.845 --> 00:36:16.775 There's something. 00:36:17.255 --> 00:36:21.725 I mean, I know personally a lot of people who have 00:36:21.725 --> 00:36:22.775 claimed to see them. 00:36:23.345 --> 00:36:26.855 Um, some old timers that honestly, just 00:36:26.855 --> 00:36:29.315 come from a different generation, then they're 00:36:29.315 --> 00:36:31.265 not really storytellers in the way people 00:36:31.265 --> 00:36:32.404 are storytellers now. 00:36:32.884 --> 00:36:35.375 I also have a tracking teacher of mine that 00:36:35.795 --> 00:36:37.924 I have asked and said, hey, you know, you've 00:36:38.134 --> 00:36:41.225 been out on, you know, investigations. 00:36:41.225 --> 00:36:42.985 And he's like, oh yeah, lots of big 00:36:43.055 --> 00:36:43.955 foot investigations. 00:36:43.964 --> 00:36:45.685 Like, well, what, what do you got for me? 00:36:45.685 --> 00:36:45.884 Right. 00:36:45.884 --> 00:36:47.825 And he's like, you know, I got to say every single 00:36:47.825 --> 00:36:49.115 one of them was faked. 00:36:49.355 --> 00:36:49.535 Okay. 00:36:49.535 --> 00:36:51.005 And I was like, wow, really? 00:36:51.005 --> 00:36:54.355 Like people are putting big feet on and walking 00:36:54.595 --> 00:36:57.484 around in the woods and putting on suits. 00:36:58.055 --> 00:37:00.395 Like, I don't know why, just to discredit 00:37:00.545 --> 00:37:02.555 this potential being out there. 00:37:02.645 --> 00:37:06.305 I, I, I, I mean, I, I just don't know 00:37:06.305 --> 00:37:09.509 enough, but I will say that indigenous people 00:37:09.509 --> 00:37:11.100 around the world have always believed in them. 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.550 And I have seen things and know some really 00:37:14.550 --> 00:37:16.860 dear friends of mine who have seen things. 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:19.620 I haven't, I can't say I've seen a Sasquatch, 00:37:19.650 --> 00:37:22.440 but, um, I've seen some crazy tracks. 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:23.759 And so it was a friend of mine. 00:37:24.210 --> 00:37:27.630 Uh, maybe there is some big old, hairy beast out 00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:29.940 there that maybe lives in between the worlds. 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:33.180 You know, maybe it can live in between these 00:37:33.180 --> 00:37:34.860 two worlds of reality. 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:36.210 And that's what I've heard as well, trans- 00:37:36.210 --> 00:37:37.020 dimensional being. 00:37:37.020 --> 00:37:39.120 Yeah and hey, you know, science is 00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:39.990 proving this stuff. 00:37:40.020 --> 00:37:42.450 This isn't spiritual woo-hoo stuff anymore. 00:37:42.450 --> 00:37:44.020 I mean, physics and. 00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:45.290 A multi-verse. 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.890 Yes. 00:37:45.890 --> 00:37:46.150 Right. 00:37:46.150 --> 00:37:47.700 It's totally proving it with science. 00:37:47.700 --> 00:37:50.910 What mystics and you know, medicine men 00:37:50.910 --> 00:37:53.010 and women have been saying for eons. 00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:55.380 So this is a really exciting time where, 00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:57.360 you know, people who are talking about these 00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.520 spiritual things can be backed up by science 00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:01.860 now, and maybe one day we'll find them. 00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:03.840 It, it does seem weird to me that we 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.100 don't have really definitive proof yet. 00:38:07.190 --> 00:38:07.470 Right. 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:09.720 That was so many people in the woods, you know? 00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:11.580 And there's so many people in the wilderness. 00:38:11.580 --> 00:38:13.260 So I don't know. 00:38:13.290 --> 00:38:14.730 It's a hard, it's a hard topic. 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.880 Well, apparently Washington has a law 00:38:17.240 --> 00:38:19.850 that it is illegal to shoot a Sasquatch. 00:38:19.910 --> 00:38:20.840 Oh wow. 00:38:20.930 --> 00:38:23.600 And I guess people laughed about it and, 00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:26.970 but the reality was is that they were trying to 00:38:26.970 --> 00:38:29.650 protect anybody who might be out there dressed 00:38:29.670 --> 00:38:30.890 up as a Sasquatch. 00:38:30.890 --> 00:38:32.300 Totally! 00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:34.870 Cause isn't there a million dollar, uh. 00:38:35.120 --> 00:38:35.470 Is there? 00:38:35.470 --> 00:38:37.700 There's like a million dollar prize, 00:38:37.700 --> 00:38:38.870 or, I don't know if it's a prize, but 00:38:38.870 --> 00:38:39.950 a million dollar. 00:38:40.379 --> 00:38:40.629 Reward. 00:38:40.629 --> 00:38:43.070 Reward for bringing in a Sasquatch body. 00:38:43.070 --> 00:38:44.450 Someone will pay a million dollars. 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:46.250 Wow. 00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:48.470 I was asked that on a hunting trip one time, 00:38:48.830 --> 00:38:50.990 if you saw a Sasquatch, would you shoot it? 00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:51.920 No! 00:38:52.730 --> 00:38:54.110 I don't know everyone's different, but for 00:38:54.110 --> 00:38:55.970 me the answer is no. 00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:58.190 If I saw a Sasquatch, no, I would not shoot it. 00:39:01.365 --> 00:39:01.845 So. 00:39:02.265 --> 00:39:04.544 But they were alive and well, like I'm not 00:39:04.544 --> 00:39:06.015 saying alive and, well, I shouldn't say that, 00:39:06.015 --> 00:39:07.964 but when I lived out for a year and a half, just 00:39:08.415 --> 00:39:11.895 out in the wilderness of BC there, I got to say 00:39:11.895 --> 00:39:15.105 all the stories and if I'd run into, you know, 00:39:15.105 --> 00:39:18.075 some clam diggers on the beach, you know, we'd 00:39:18.075 --> 00:39:20.205 gather around a fire and they'd start telling 00:39:20.205 --> 00:39:21.585 stories about Sasquatch. 00:39:21.585 --> 00:39:22.095 For sure. 00:39:22.095 --> 00:39:23.865 I mean, it was one of the first questions 00:39:24.044 --> 00:39:26.325 someone would roll up and you hadn't seen anybody 00:39:26.325 --> 00:39:28.185 for like three months and like, hey, have 00:39:28.185 --> 00:39:29.115 you seen the big fella? 00:39:29.174 --> 00:39:31.035 You're like, no, not yet. 00:39:31.035 --> 00:39:32.475 And I'm like, whoa, because you know, my 00:39:32.475 --> 00:39:34.725 cousin was here, you know, a couple of years 00:39:34.725 --> 00:39:37.365 ago and the Sas was hucking out clams at him. 00:39:37.585 --> 00:39:38.174 I've heard that. 00:39:38.205 --> 00:39:38.745 Yeah. 00:39:38.774 --> 00:39:40.904 And I was like, well, and just all the 00:39:40.904 --> 00:39:43.690 stories, you know, some nights, just going to 00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:46.259 the, your outhouse or something in the pitch 00:39:46.290 --> 00:39:46.990 black and I don't. 00:39:46.990 --> 00:39:47.330 Course. 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.460 We didn't have headlamps, they didn't 00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:51.150 bring a headlamp. 00:39:51.150 --> 00:39:52.920 So you're kind of like, Ooh, you know, 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.140 I'm hearing strange whistling noises. 00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:57.450 You're like, oh, that was, I dreamed about 00:39:57.660 --> 00:40:01.110 Dzunukwa a lot out there and it was kinda spooked. 00:40:01.110 --> 00:40:03.060 I have to say, I'll be honest, I was spooked. 00:40:03.170 --> 00:40:05.790 I didn't want to see a Sasquatch or definitely 00:40:05.790 --> 00:40:09.390 not Dzunukwa, you know, with the pierce red 00:40:09.390 --> 00:40:12.150 lips and whistling and I mean, she's known 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:13.440 to steal people and. 00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:15.060 I've read the stories. 00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:18.360 It's not like a, you know, friendly 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.420 forest spirit. 00:40:20.330 --> 00:40:23.330 Well the reason I asked about that is because 00:40:23.330 --> 00:40:26.299 I thought it would be a good segue into, there's 00:40:26.299 --> 00:40:30.259 a whole spiritual side in your book and to you 00:40:30.410 --> 00:40:32.120 about being outdoors. 00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:34.670 And I thought that was a really interesting take 00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:35.540 that you have on it. 00:40:36.110 --> 00:40:38.660 And some of this stuff that people might look 00:40:38.660 --> 00:40:44.100 at it, if they're casual observers would say, 00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:45.299 hey, that's really kooky. 00:40:45.569 --> 00:40:46.169 Oh, totally. 00:40:46.439 --> 00:40:51.240 But there's also, there's a, there is an 00:40:51.240 --> 00:40:54.569 inner truth essentially to, to all of this. 00:40:54.569 --> 00:40:58.529 And you're talking about birds, essentially 00:40:58.529 --> 00:40:59.229 talking to you. 00:40:59.370 --> 00:40:59.749 Yeah. 00:40:59.749 --> 00:41:02.399 Not like I would imagine, not like saying, Hey 00:41:02.399 --> 00:41:03.350 Nikki, come over here. 00:41:03.350 --> 00:41:04.580 Yeah, I haven't heard that. 00:41:04.609 --> 00:41:06.740 Well, I've heard a tree actually, which is a 00:41:06.740 --> 00:41:09.500 crazy story, but no animals haven't just 00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:12.379 come out and be like, Nikki what's up as well. 00:41:12.379 --> 00:41:13.730 I wish they would, that'd be awesome. 00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:16.590 Cinderella doing all your chores for you. 00:41:16.590 --> 00:41:17.740 I wish! 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.410 So you've, I think it was a Raven, was it? 00:41:21.410 --> 00:41:23.990 That you followed and you just felt a bit 00:41:23.990 --> 00:41:26.120 of a connection to the Raven and listening 00:41:26.120 --> 00:41:27.680 to different animals and the different 00:41:27.680 --> 00:41:29.540 noises that they make out in the wild, 00:41:29.540 --> 00:41:32.299 would have different meanings behind them. 00:41:32.359 --> 00:41:33.290 Yeah, definitely. 00:41:33.290 --> 00:41:35.660 I mean, you can learn, anybody can learn the 00:41:35.660 --> 00:41:38.475 language of, I don't just mean nature, I 00:41:38.475 --> 00:41:41.025 mean the language of animals, for sure. 00:41:41.025 --> 00:41:43.635 I mean, bird language is a very, I'm not 00:41:43.635 --> 00:41:45.795 gonna say easy thing to get into, but it's 00:41:45.825 --> 00:41:48.615 very well-documented now from teachers that 00:41:48.615 --> 00:41:51.885 I've learned from, um, they do have a language 00:41:51.915 --> 00:41:54.225 and there is, like you said something deeper. 00:41:55.065 --> 00:41:56.415 There's something deeper there. 00:41:56.415 --> 00:42:02.595 And I, I just, I can't dismiss it anymore. 00:42:02.595 --> 00:42:05.865 I've seen it happen and had these experiences 00:42:05.865 --> 00:42:07.815 that there is no doubt that there is 00:42:07.815 --> 00:42:09.795 something deeper and beyond of what I can 00:42:09.795 --> 00:42:10.964 understand going on. 00:42:10.964 --> 00:42:13.754 And animals definitely have shown me that 00:42:14.415 --> 00:42:16.185 and opened me up to this kind of spiritual 00:42:16.185 --> 00:42:19.274 world that we live in, whether it's in this 00:42:19.274 --> 00:42:20.444 room or in nature. 00:42:20.444 --> 00:42:22.815 And nature just is the purest place I find to 00:42:22.815 --> 00:42:25.904 find it or experience it because it's just 00:42:25.964 --> 00:42:26.974 all truthful out there. 00:42:26.974 --> 00:42:28.605 There, there, isn't all these other things 00:42:28.605 --> 00:42:31.305 that come involved with people and our 00:42:31.305 --> 00:42:33.375 society and cultures and our belief systems. 00:42:33.375 --> 00:42:36.464 So you can be stripped down to something and 00:42:36.464 --> 00:42:38.295 have these experiences out in nature. 00:42:39.330 --> 00:42:40.680 Do you have any examples? 00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:41.640 Yeah. 00:42:41.670 --> 00:42:44.340 Gosh, so many examples. 00:42:44.790 --> 00:42:50.280 Um, gosh, um, yeah, just with every 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.340 animal, I can't, really simply, like when I 00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:54.180 was first learning it. 00:42:54.180 --> 00:42:55.980 And this is why I'm sitting here 00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.820 talking to you today. 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:59.190 I mean, these kinds of ma I use the word magic. 00:42:59.430 --> 00:43:02.759 I feel like just, I love it because I'm part, 00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:04.890 I haven't really grown up, so magic to me, I'm 00:43:04.890 --> 00:43:05.630 just like a little kid. 00:43:05.630 --> 00:43:06.580 I love magic. 00:43:06.580 --> 00:43:07.670 That was my first job. 00:43:08.060 --> 00:43:09.710 I performed magic at kids' birthday 00:43:09.710 --> 00:43:11.540 parties when I was in elementary school. 00:43:11.540 --> 00:43:12.090 Nice! 00:43:12.620 --> 00:43:14.660 And so I feel like magic is just 00:43:14.660 --> 00:43:16.270 when you're really connected to something 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:16.600 . Yes, yes. 00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:19.460 So, um, just little things, you know, 00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:21.020 I'd be sitting in the woods going, Oh, 00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:22.910 I don't know what that bird is singing. 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.670 Wouldn't it be great, could you just come 00:43:25.670 --> 00:43:28.279 and sit on this branch right in front of me 00:43:28.970 --> 00:43:31.460 and then sing so then I can actually see you and 00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:32.540 I can hear your song. 00:43:32.540 --> 00:43:34.670 And literally within seconds, this bird 00:43:34.670 --> 00:43:36.440 would fly out of a tree somewhere land on 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.259 that exact stick I was imagining and scream 00:43:39.259 --> 00:43:41.990 out at song to me and be like, oh my gosh, 00:43:42.020 --> 00:43:42.950 did you just hear me? 00:43:42.950 --> 00:43:45.290 And it just made me go, wow, that was, you know, 00:43:45.290 --> 00:43:47.180 synchronicity or whatever you want to call it. 00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:50.180 But there was other, so many more examples. 00:43:50.180 --> 00:43:52.670 You know, my book I talk about with the Cougar 00:43:52.670 --> 00:43:56.505 that came by and that's been a really powerful 00:43:56.505 --> 00:43:58.545 story, a teaching story for me, for sure. 00:43:58.545 --> 00:44:01.095 You know, having my greatest fear of being 00:44:01.095 --> 00:44:03.675 the dark and cougars and then deciding to 00:44:03.675 --> 00:44:06.015 go and sleep outside with a sleeping bag to 00:44:06.015 --> 00:44:09.105 try to overcome those fears and lying there. 00:44:09.105 --> 00:44:11.985 And, you know, having this animal walk up to me 00:44:12.735 --> 00:44:16.315 and then plop down beside me and start purring. 00:44:16.425 --> 00:44:16.585 Woah. 00:44:16.585 --> 00:44:17.955 You know what I mean? 00:44:18.585 --> 00:44:20.895 Just that, I mean, animals don't just 00:44:20.955 --> 00:44:23.265 come and lie with you in general. 00:44:23.265 --> 00:44:25.305 You know, it happens to some people. 00:44:25.335 --> 00:44:25.725 Sure. 00:44:26.205 --> 00:44:29.535 Um, but to be actually trying to face that 00:44:29.535 --> 00:44:32.835 fear, you know, and then the animal comes and 00:44:32.835 --> 00:44:34.935 sleeps right next to me all night, you know, 00:44:34.965 --> 00:44:37.365 purring and who was. 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.440 It just opened me up to this world that I was 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.420 like, wow, some other things are going on here 00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:43.410 that I don't know about. 00:44:43.410 --> 00:44:46.170 And it's happened to me every time I can go into 00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:49.020 the woods, I can have those experiences, small 00:44:49.020 --> 00:44:51.300 land and large, you know, we want to have these big 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:54.300 experiences, but there are so many small little 00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:56.490 ones that can build up to you being able 00:44:56.490 --> 00:44:58.890 to be open, to receive these kinds of things. 00:44:58.890 --> 00:45:00.930 And I think one of the things that helped me 00:45:00.930 --> 00:45:03.150 was, I have this mentor in my life and he'd 00:45:03.150 --> 00:45:05.460 always say, Nikki, when you just go anywhere, 00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:07.280 you know, you're out, you're in the forest. 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.610 Just say, hi forest, it's Nikki, I'm just here 00:45:10.670 --> 00:45:12.556 and he's just the most beautiful man I know. 00:45:12.556 --> 00:45:14.900 He'd always be like, hi, this is, you know, 00:45:14.930 --> 00:45:16.010 it's Nikki, I'm here. 00:45:16.160 --> 00:45:17.630 I'm just letting you know, I'm happy to 00:45:17.630 --> 00:45:19.370 be here, whatever, just have this little 00:45:19.370 --> 00:45:20.690 minute conversation. 00:45:20.690 --> 00:45:23.870 And, uh, I've always done that from him and 00:45:24.085 --> 00:45:26.154 you know, whenever I want a question answered 00:45:26.154 --> 00:45:28.195 and I need help, you know, going on Alone 00:45:28.195 --> 00:45:28.945 was the same thing. 00:45:28.945 --> 00:45:31.225 I didn't just make this decision instantaneous. 00:45:31.225 --> 00:45:32.725 I was like, hey, I need to go sit in the woods 00:45:32.725 --> 00:45:34.295 and I'll get back to you in a few hours. 00:45:34.325 --> 00:45:34.665 Right. 00:45:34.875 --> 00:45:38.305 And, you know, I went out there and, um, I always 00:45:38.335 --> 00:45:40.884 do that and animals will show up or there'll 00:45:40.884 --> 00:45:41.815 be some sort of thing. 00:45:41.815 --> 00:45:44.904 I mean, I've even, been lost in the woods 00:45:44.904 --> 00:45:48.475 legitimately, not very little skills too. 00:45:48.625 --> 00:45:52.045 And, um, been like, hey, you know, nature, 00:45:52.045 --> 00:45:54.085 I really need some help, like if you can 00:45:54.085 --> 00:45:56.275 send me a direction to walk to like, I 00:45:56.275 --> 00:45:57.445 gotta get outta here. 00:45:57.685 --> 00:45:59.424 And I just sat down quietly and like you were 00:45:59.424 --> 00:46:01.825 talking about, I kind of just let go of all the 00:46:01.825 --> 00:46:05.845 yacking so I can just really, I see everything 00:46:05.845 --> 00:46:08.154 and listen with all my senses in that moment. 00:46:08.605 --> 00:46:11.305 So then it does quiet out all those yakking, 00:46:11.305 --> 00:46:14.005 if you really use and are looking everywhere 00:46:14.005 --> 00:46:15.265 and not moving your head necessarily, 00:46:15.265 --> 00:46:17.035 but wide angle vision and listening and 00:46:17.035 --> 00:46:18.355 feeling in that moment. 00:46:19.105 --> 00:46:23.850 And, um, a bird came and landed right beside me. 00:46:24.520 --> 00:46:25.560 This very thrush. 00:46:25.590 --> 00:46:27.810 And I was like, oh, like, I'm not saying 00:46:27.810 --> 00:46:28.410 anything to it. 00:46:28.410 --> 00:46:29.850 I don't want it to fly away, but I'm just like, 00:46:29.850 --> 00:46:30.960 okay, there's a bird. 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.470 And then it looked at me and then it jumped on the 00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:36.630 perch and faced another direction and just 00:46:36.630 --> 00:46:39.330 started singing and then jumped back, looked at 00:46:39.330 --> 00:46:41.460 me and it jumped, it did this like three times. 00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:43.020 And I was like, wow, like, I don't know what 00:46:43.020 --> 00:46:44.760 that means, but I'm going to like run in 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.640 that direction of like a few minutes before dark. 00:46:47.640 --> 00:46:49.010 And I was like, I want to give it 10 minutes. 00:46:49.030 --> 00:46:51.450 I'm just going to run that way and popped 00:46:51.450 --> 00:46:52.410 out and found my car. 00:46:53.080 --> 00:46:53.760 Holy crow! 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:53.850 Yeah. 00:46:53.850 --> 00:46:54.630 It was amazing. 00:46:55.550 --> 00:46:58.580 You know, there's, there is definitely 00:46:58.580 --> 00:47:00.140 a lot of things out there that science 00:47:00.140 --> 00:47:02.300 just can't lock down. 00:47:02.690 --> 00:47:04.100 And there's like, you're saying 00:47:04.190 --> 00:47:05.590 quantum physics and. 00:47:05.590 --> 00:47:06.160 Yes. 00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:11.450 All of the quantum realities that, uh, being 00:47:11.540 --> 00:47:13.970 open to experiencing these things and being 00:47:13.970 --> 00:47:19.305 able to either interpret prior to, or interpret 00:47:19.305 --> 00:47:21.884 afterwards in a, in a way that I find that 00:47:21.884 --> 00:47:22.625 really interesting. 00:47:22.625 --> 00:47:22.685 Yeah. 00:47:22.685 --> 00:47:23.884 It is about being open. 00:47:24.255 --> 00:47:26.645 It's not a judgemental thing. 00:47:26.645 --> 00:47:28.654 You know, when you bring in all of the things from 00:47:28.654 --> 00:47:31.325 city and your life and your past experiences 00:47:31.325 --> 00:47:34.415 into nature, it, they will expose nature, 00:47:34.415 --> 00:47:36.845 will expose all of those things, everything. 00:47:36.845 --> 00:47:39.185 Your, your strengths, your weaknesses, 00:47:39.185 --> 00:47:40.775 everything becomes open. 00:47:40.775 --> 00:47:43.505 And so when you can actually be very open 00:47:43.505 --> 00:47:45.845 to experiences out there without bringing 00:47:45.845 --> 00:47:48.755 all of that with you, then I think you can 00:47:48.755 --> 00:47:50.585 have this different connection with nature 00:47:50.585 --> 00:47:52.745 that goes much deeper than just the name of 00:47:52.745 --> 00:47:55.625 a plant, or this is the behavior of this animal, 00:47:55.625 --> 00:47:58.955 but it becomes like a relationship with them. 00:47:59.285 --> 00:48:01.924 Instead of just feeling slightly connected 00:48:01.924 --> 00:48:04.115 or knowing the facts about something. 00:48:04.145 --> 00:48:07.235 There's just this deeper level of relationship 00:48:07.265 --> 00:48:09.154 that I've been able to build over the years, 00:48:09.185 --> 00:48:12.800 just by being me and being open to even things 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:13.760 I didn't believe in. 00:48:13.910 --> 00:48:16.010 You know, just being like, hey, could just 00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:17.780 like Sasquatch, could be. 00:48:17.810 --> 00:48:18.070 Could be. 00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:20.300 You know, I'm not willing to say no or 00:48:20.330 --> 00:48:21.500 a hundred percent yes. 00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.080 Like, um, but hey could be. 00:48:24.910 --> 00:48:29.620 So everyone's locked down with, COVID a social 00:48:29.620 --> 00:48:32.740 isolation, not being able to see their friends, 00:48:32.740 --> 00:48:35.350 but they are encouraging people to be outside. 00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:39.250 That's an aspect that I bet a lot of people 00:48:39.250 --> 00:48:41.410 don't think about, is that relationship with 00:48:41.410 --> 00:48:44.290 the outdoors, would you have any advice for 00:48:44.290 --> 00:48:47.410 people to strengthen their relationship with 00:48:47.410 --> 00:48:51.250 the outdoors or even just start to appreciate 00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:54.520 and allow the, the outdoors to heal them? 00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:55.840 Yeah, I do. 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.270 And I have been really working on that a lot 00:48:58.270 --> 00:48:59.200 in the past month. 00:48:59.200 --> 00:49:01.560 I'm designing this business based 00:49:01.560 --> 00:49:03.720 around this idea called Luminaria 00:49:03.990 --> 00:49:04.980 Wilderness Ventures. 00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:09.330 And I do, I want to have people be able to come 00:49:09.330 --> 00:49:12.089 out with myself and my team and experience what 00:49:12.089 --> 00:49:15.240 I experience to be able to see nature in the 00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:16.680 wilderness how I see it. 00:49:16.950 --> 00:49:19.109 In a way, not to say that the way I see it 00:49:19.109 --> 00:49:21.870 as right, but just as a more of a relationship 00:49:21.899 --> 00:49:25.290 building experience, rather than, you know, 00:49:25.319 --> 00:49:27.270 we hiked to the top of the mountains and we 00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:30.029 get to the view and we take some Instagrammable 00:49:30.089 --> 00:49:32.370 pictures, and then we go home and you miss all 00:49:32.370 --> 00:49:33.359 the things along the way. 00:49:33.359 --> 00:49:35.549 Like I rarely get to the end of a trail. 00:49:35.549 --> 00:49:38.669 I just, I, for me right now being in the city, 00:49:38.669 --> 00:49:40.620 you know, I'm trying to hike like everybody 00:49:40.620 --> 00:49:43.290 and get some exercise and it's all I can do 00:49:43.310 --> 00:49:45.090 you to force myself to stay on that trail. 00:49:46.520 --> 00:49:49.190 And so I think the one thing that I would say 00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:52.250 to people is to slow down, you know, this 00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:57.404 idea of slow travel, you know, use you're getting 00:49:57.404 --> 00:49:59.535 exercise as one exercise. 00:49:59.535 --> 00:50:01.185 You know, if you want to get in shape, that's one 00:50:01.185 --> 00:50:05.355 way, but you need to just sit and find a spot that 00:50:05.355 --> 00:50:07.125 you go to all the time. 00:50:07.694 --> 00:50:09.645 And this idea of the secret spot, you know, 00:50:09.645 --> 00:50:12.765 Sam Gribley had it like, um, my teachers have 00:50:12.765 --> 00:50:15.464 always taught me about it and to find a place 00:50:15.464 --> 00:50:17.625 in nature, even if it's your backyard or your 00:50:17.625 --> 00:50:20.745 window or your balcony, and you just sit there, 00:50:21.075 --> 00:50:23.084 just sit there for 20 minutes is about what 00:50:23.084 --> 00:50:27.375 it'll take people, it's a lot easier or quicker 00:50:27.464 --> 00:50:30.075 the more you learn your area and animals 00:50:30.075 --> 00:50:31.214 respond to differently. 00:50:31.305 --> 00:50:33.555 As you know, like the first three days when 00:50:33.555 --> 00:50:35.285 you're on a hunting trip all over the place and. 00:50:35.285 --> 00:50:35.374 Yep. 00:50:35.374 --> 00:50:36.575 Animals are like running. 00:50:36.575 --> 00:50:39.995 Every bird is like, hey, they're coming through. 00:50:40.375 --> 00:50:43.535 And then eventually, no, one's caring, not caring 00:50:43.535 --> 00:50:44.825 about it, but they're like, Oh, hey, yeah, 00:50:44.825 --> 00:50:46.865 they're there, it's not a big deal they're, you 00:50:46.865 --> 00:50:49.355 know, you've, you've let go of all of that chatter 00:50:49.355 --> 00:50:51.605 in your mind, which is what scares animals away. 00:50:52.904 --> 00:50:54.714 So I just slow down, you know. 00:50:54.714 --> 00:50:54.924 Slow down. 00:50:54.924 --> 00:50:57.404 Just sit in the forest, just go to the park 00:50:57.404 --> 00:50:59.625 and sit there and see what you can see. 00:50:59.625 --> 00:51:01.125 And eventually all those animals are 00:51:01.125 --> 00:51:03.314 going to use, not just used to you there, but 00:51:03.524 --> 00:51:04.634 they'll accept you. 00:51:04.964 --> 00:51:06.555 You know, pretty soon the squirrel is not going 00:51:06.555 --> 00:51:10.164 to be like alarming you for 15 minutes, right? 00:51:10.164 --> 00:51:10.994 Yes. 00:51:11.474 --> 00:51:13.814 All the little Brown birds will be quiet when 00:51:13.814 --> 00:51:15.464 you're walking through the trail, eventually 00:51:15.464 --> 00:51:17.654 they're not going to be like human coming, human 00:51:17.654 --> 00:51:20.685 coming, and the next bird picks it up and you'll 00:51:20.685 --> 00:51:22.964 eventually get that energy about yourself. 00:51:22.995 --> 00:51:27.105 That's with nature rather than I'm just 00:51:27.105 --> 00:51:28.214 visiting, you know? 00:51:28.214 --> 00:51:29.654 And that's what I want to teach people 00:51:29.654 --> 00:51:31.964 is how to become, not just a visitor to 00:51:31.964 --> 00:51:33.285 the wild spaces, but. 00:51:34.265 --> 00:51:35.975 I'm really looking forward to seeing 00:51:35.975 --> 00:51:36.735 that business develop. 00:51:36.735 --> 00:51:36.835 Mhmm. 00:51:36.835 --> 00:51:39.154 You know, I had a, there's an Indigenous 00:51:39.154 --> 00:51:41.404 woman who wants told me, she said if the 00:51:41.404 --> 00:51:44.075 squirrels started setting their alarm off, quit 00:51:44.075 --> 00:51:44.734 hunting that area. 00:51:44.765 --> 00:51:45.805 Oh yeah, got to. 00:51:45.805 --> 00:51:46.805 They're, they're talking. 00:51:46.805 --> 00:51:48.754 The squirrels are talking to the elk, they're 00:51:48.754 --> 00:51:50.314 talking to the deer, they're telling them 00:51:50.314 --> 00:51:51.365 to stay away and yeah. 00:51:52.040 --> 00:51:53.910 I'm like, you know, there's probably some 00:51:53.910 --> 00:51:54.850 wisdom to that one. 00:51:55.020 --> 00:51:57.420 Oh yeah, they will the birds especially too. 00:51:57.740 --> 00:51:59.370 Get to know all the Brown birds. 00:51:59.609 --> 00:51:59.770 Yeah? 00:51:59.899 --> 00:52:01.549 The birds that live in the tree top, 00:52:02.060 --> 00:52:03.109 they don't to care. 00:52:03.529 --> 00:52:04.759 They don't care that much about you 00:52:04.759 --> 00:52:06.560 because they more live in the tree tops. 00:52:06.560 --> 00:52:08.600 So they're more concerned about hey Hawks coming 00:52:08.600 --> 00:52:10.730 in, I found the owl, whatever, but the little 00:52:10.730 --> 00:52:13.250 Brown birds that live on the ground, the wrens 00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:15.560 and the sparrows, man, get to know those guys. 00:52:15.560 --> 00:52:17.569 Even the Robbins, because they feed on the ground 00:52:18.020 --> 00:52:20.180 because those are the ones that are going to 00:52:20.779 --> 00:52:22.160 send all of the alarming. 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:23.600 They can go for miles. 00:52:23.919 --> 00:52:27.859 Every bird in the next territory will pick up 00:52:27.859 --> 00:52:30.200 a call if it's intense enough and then they'll 00:52:30.200 --> 00:52:31.069 spread it that way. 00:52:31.069 --> 00:52:36.135 And every deer, every game animal, if you 00:52:36.135 --> 00:52:38.895 will, is keyed into bird language, every 00:52:38.895 --> 00:52:39.675 single one of them. 00:52:39.675 --> 00:52:41.265 And if you're, you know, I mean, you've, 00:52:41.325 --> 00:52:42.315 I'm sure seen this. 00:52:42.315 --> 00:52:45.015 When I'm trying to get up close to a deer, you 00:52:45.015 --> 00:52:47.955 know, when they stop, I stop moving, they look 00:52:47.955 --> 00:52:49.995 at you like, hey, if you're still moving, when 00:52:49.995 --> 00:52:52.185 this guy's telling us this, you clearly have 00:52:52.185 --> 00:52:54.495 no idea what's going on in the woods, you know? 00:52:55.185 --> 00:52:57.285 And you can't just freeze all of a sudden 00:52:57.285 --> 00:52:58.965 when an animal sees you, then it's like, 00:52:58.965 --> 00:53:02.200 why are you frozen still, like, I see you. 00:53:02.230 --> 00:53:04.210 You're like, no, I'm just a tree and you're 00:53:04.210 --> 00:53:06.760 like, no, I saw you move and now you're not. 00:53:07.060 --> 00:53:10.030 So you better pick up and start grazing or 00:53:10.030 --> 00:53:11.650 start nibbling on leaves. 00:53:11.650 --> 00:53:14.020 And then the deer will be like, okay, 00:53:14.020 --> 00:53:14.980 you're a grazer. 00:53:15.040 --> 00:53:16.960 Okay, I get that, cause I'm a grazer. 00:53:17.050 --> 00:53:18.160 Okay, awesome. 00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:20.920 Now, now you're picking up that berry and eating 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:25.060 it, like, okay, like I feel a lot less sketched 00:53:25.060 --> 00:53:27.580 of you now because you're showing signs 00:53:27.580 --> 00:53:28.680 of doing what I do. 00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:30.720 That's interesting. 00:53:30.750 --> 00:53:32.280 See, when I was younger, I was taught 00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:35.100 a 45 degree trick for getting rabbits. 00:53:35.250 --> 00:53:36.720 Never go right towards a rabbit. 00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:38.790 Pretend you're not interested at all. 00:53:38.870 --> 00:53:41.360 Go at about 45 degrees and play around on the, 00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:45.330 but for some reason I never actually put a 00:53:45.330 --> 00:53:47.490 correlation between that and any other animals. 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:48.840 Absolutely. 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.670 Dear, I mean, I can get just like touchin' 00:53:51.690 --> 00:53:55.890 dear, because you can, if you stop when 00:53:55.890 --> 00:53:57.629 they stop and they're looking, you're like, 00:53:57.690 --> 00:53:59.519 oh, I'm looking over in that direction too. 00:53:59.869 --> 00:54:01.950 I don't often know what, you know, what 00:54:01.950 --> 00:54:02.790 they saw or hear. 00:54:02.790 --> 00:54:05.399 I mean, they have huge ears, I can't possibly 00:54:05.430 --> 00:54:07.410 hear what they're hearing on a level, but 00:54:07.410 --> 00:54:09.330 I can look in the same direction and stop and 00:54:09.330 --> 00:54:10.319 they're like, Oh, sweet. 00:54:10.319 --> 00:54:10.990 Nikki stopped too. 00:54:11.009 --> 00:54:12.480 That's great, um, perfect. 00:54:12.540 --> 00:54:14.040 Because if you don't and you're still 00:54:14.160 --> 00:54:16.620 oblivious, then they get all nervous, you know? 00:54:16.620 --> 00:54:19.200 And if you're like, hey, don't worry about me. 00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:21.930 I mean, when I'm stocking up and I don't want 00:54:21.930 --> 00:54:23.580 them to see me, it's different, but once 00:54:23.580 --> 00:54:25.770 they have seen you or you screwed up and 00:54:25.770 --> 00:54:28.410 they're like, oh, hey, I see you over there. 00:54:28.450 --> 00:54:30.569 You're like, oh right, well, I'm just, you 00:54:30.569 --> 00:54:31.710 know, eating too. 00:54:32.100 --> 00:54:34.440 Um, and then they're like, oh, okay. 00:54:34.799 --> 00:54:37.440 Um, yeah, and it's, it's a really fun way 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.029 of learning different types of animal 00:54:39.029 --> 00:54:40.109 behavior, for sure. 00:54:40.520 --> 00:54:41.870 Do you have any tips for stalking an 00:54:41.870 --> 00:54:43.520 animal if you don't want them to see you? 00:54:44.029 --> 00:54:44.480 Yeah. 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.430 If you don't want them to see you, for sure. 00:54:46.430 --> 00:54:49.430 Like, so, uh, yeah, I mean kind 00:54:49.430 --> 00:54:50.420 of still hunting. 00:54:51.410 --> 00:54:51.740 Yeah. 00:54:51.740 --> 00:54:54.109 It's my, obviously the only way I know how, 00:54:54.170 --> 00:54:56.630 um, I mean, I can sit in a blind as anybody, 00:54:56.630 --> 00:54:59.370 but I, I get too fidgety after a while. 00:54:59.590 --> 00:55:00.310 I'm like you. 00:55:01.120 --> 00:55:03.290 I just am like, oh, okay, this is 00:55:03.290 --> 00:55:05.000 getting a little, um. 00:55:05.060 --> 00:55:08.480 So yeah, like I, um, I definitely, I learned 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:10.130 this from my cat, actually that I took 00:55:10.130 --> 00:55:10.970 in the bush with me. 00:55:11.029 --> 00:55:11.410 Okay. 00:55:12.049 --> 00:55:12.269 Um. 00:55:12.269 --> 00:55:12.830 Scout. 00:55:12.859 --> 00:55:13.549 Yes. 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:16.230 Uh, she's all time stalker. 00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:21.290 So she would always, um, she always stops in 00:55:21.290 --> 00:55:22.730 the shadows, obviously. 00:55:22.970 --> 00:55:25.730 She would never go across an open space ever. 00:55:26.029 --> 00:55:28.069 I mean, if she did, she was just skirting 00:55:28.069 --> 00:55:28.910 or on her belly. 00:55:28.910 --> 00:55:30.560 I mean, it was amazing to watch her and open 00:55:30.560 --> 00:55:34.460 spots and she would wait until there was some 00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:38.070 sound or movement in nature and then move. 00:55:38.100 --> 00:55:40.170 Like she would never move when there wasn't 00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:43.590 either a leaf falling or a bit of a rustle 00:55:43.590 --> 00:55:44.730 and then she would move. 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:47.430 And she would, and I learned this too, from 00:55:47.430 --> 00:55:49.620 a class of mine and camouflage, cause it's 00:55:49.620 --> 00:55:50.820 my favorite thing to do. 00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:55.500 And um, it's like imagining you are that, 00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.280 that you're hiding behind or it goes on 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.810 to what we've just been talking kind of this 00:56:00.810 --> 00:56:02.610 spiritual invisibility. 00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:05.130 There's something different about 00:56:05.610 --> 00:56:08.520 camouflaging your mind than just your body. 00:56:08.580 --> 00:56:08.880 Right. 00:56:09.090 --> 00:56:13.300 You know, I, I can be in full pink whatever, 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.560 bright red clothing and can have the same 00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:19.350 results as if, when I'm fully camouflage, when 00:56:19.350 --> 00:56:23.250 I'm really good at just camouflaging my mind. 00:56:23.250 --> 00:56:25.830 All the thoughts that pop in there, fear, 00:56:25.830 --> 00:56:28.920 especially, or like aggressive feelings. 00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:31.500 Um, I've seen this with a lot with cougars, 00:56:32.010 --> 00:56:34.170 um, when you're in a situation being really 00:56:34.170 --> 00:56:38.110 close to them, if you just take this really you 00:56:38.110 --> 00:56:41.110 know, gentle breath and let it out immediately, 00:56:41.110 --> 00:56:44.170 they will let it out that coming together. 00:56:44.170 --> 00:56:47.050 So close to animals for so many times in my 00:56:47.050 --> 00:56:51.160 life, I've seen my body reaction in them and 00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:54.790 it's been able to make me instantaneously, be 00:56:54.790 --> 00:56:57.580 able to let go of any fear, any emotion, any 00:56:57.580 --> 00:57:00.520 kind of, besides just peace, you know, and 00:57:00.520 --> 00:57:03.460 just this calmness, um, otherwise you're dead. 00:57:03.460 --> 00:57:05.860 So you gotta kind of learn it pretty quickly, 00:57:05.860 --> 00:57:08.290 but, um, there's ways of practicing 00:57:08.290 --> 00:57:10.120 it with animals that aren't dangerous. 00:57:10.630 --> 00:57:12.100 You know, like you can practice it with 00:57:12.130 --> 00:57:13.360 Robbins, are great. 00:57:13.450 --> 00:57:14.680 I mean, Robbins are hard. 00:57:14.680 --> 00:57:14.880 Okay. 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.940 Herons are amazing animals stalk. 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:18.880 If you can stalk up to a Heron, I mean, you can 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:23.490 get any animal because they are the ultimate in 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.660 silence and slow movement and that, and so practice 00:57:27.660 --> 00:57:30.180 on these other animals that aren't dangerous. 00:57:30.600 --> 00:57:33.210 And then you can learn and see how you can 00:57:33.450 --> 00:57:35.520 control your emotions better in those moments. 00:57:35.520 --> 00:57:38.400 Because as soon as you go, oh my gosh, I don't 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.620 have my knife on me and there's a Cougar four 00:57:40.620 --> 00:57:44.070 feet from you, that rise immediately, I've 00:57:44.070 --> 00:57:46.110 seen cougars, just turn their head and look 00:57:46.110 --> 00:57:48.060 at me with the most intense eyes that you're 00:57:48.060 --> 00:57:49.530 like, I'm about to die. 00:57:49.530 --> 00:57:51.390 And then you're like, oh no, I love you, 00:57:51.430 --> 00:57:53.760 like, everything's good, everything's calm. 00:57:54.030 --> 00:57:55.110 And then immediately they go back to 00:57:55.110 --> 00:57:55.680 what they're doing. 00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:58.650 And then as soon as you get that feeling of like 00:57:58.650 --> 00:58:00.810 that moment where you're about to take a shot and 00:58:00.810 --> 00:58:03.210 you're getting, you know, you gotta just they'll 00:58:03.210 --> 00:58:06.600 feel sense that they, they, they sense more 00:58:06.630 --> 00:58:09.360 than I think people, um, really give them credit 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.150 for on this, I don't know, energetic level. 00:58:12.770 --> 00:58:15.470 I believe it, you know, when I was younger 00:58:15.470 --> 00:58:19.310 being taught cam and concealment and one of 00:58:19.310 --> 00:58:22.800 the trixie instructor said was if your 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.200 camouflage and somebody is walking by, don't 00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:27.330 make eye contact, don't look at them, right? 00:58:27.330 --> 00:58:29.580 Look to the side, use the periphery of your vision. 00:58:29.580 --> 00:58:29.810 Yes. 00:58:29.990 --> 00:58:32.810 He says, don't ask me why it's hoodoo 00:58:32.810 --> 00:58:34.080 voodoo kinda thing. 00:58:34.080 --> 00:58:35.020 Totally it is! 00:58:35.020 --> 00:58:37.710 But you look at them and more often than 00:58:37.710 --> 00:58:39.720 not, they'll just turn and stare right at you. 00:58:39.720 --> 00:58:40.830 Right at you! 00:58:40.830 --> 00:58:41.690 Exactly. 00:58:41.730 --> 00:58:43.490 I mean one time I was practicing this. 00:58:43.490 --> 00:58:44.779 I'll never forget, so cool. 00:58:44.779 --> 00:58:45.920 You've reminded me of the story. 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.200 I haven't thought about it for years, but I was 00:58:48.200 --> 00:58:51.050 practicing invisibility and I was sitting on a 00:58:51.050 --> 00:58:53.509 park bench and it wasn't a lot of people around, 00:58:53.509 --> 00:58:56.240 but I was sitting on this park bench and, you know, 00:58:56.240 --> 00:58:58.009 watching these ducks in front of me or whatever. 00:58:58.009 --> 00:59:00.830 And I noticed some people coming down the trail. 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.290 And I was like, okay, like, um, I'd been 00:59:04.290 --> 00:59:06.570 there, sitting there quite a while and the 00:59:07.110 --> 00:59:08.550 person came up and I thought they were just 00:59:08.550 --> 00:59:11.130 going to walk by me, but they didn't, they 00:59:11.140 --> 00:59:11.910 started slowing down. 00:59:11.910 --> 00:59:12.990 I was like, Oh, maybe they're 00:59:13.050 --> 00:59:14.100 coming to sit here. 00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:16.110 So I just stayed in this space. 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.050 And one lady almost sat on me, until 00:59:19.050 --> 00:59:19.950 I was like, hey. 00:59:20.270 --> 00:59:22.100 And she tried to like, Oh my God, you just 00:59:22.100 --> 00:59:24.530 appeared, you literally were not there and I 00:59:24.530 --> 00:59:26.420 was like, no, I've been here the whole time. 00:59:26.420 --> 00:59:27.310 Just like, no you weren't. 00:59:27.330 --> 00:59:28.970 I was like, yes! 00:59:29.060 --> 00:59:30.740 This lady almost sat on me. 00:59:30.740 --> 00:59:31.720 Like it was so good. 00:59:31.720 --> 00:59:32.810 Mission accomplished! 00:59:32.970 --> 00:59:34.080 Mission accomplished. 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:35.760 Um, yeah, that was fun. 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.820 So yeah, I mean, camouflage is, 00:59:38.990 --> 00:59:40.130 is so much fun. 00:59:40.130 --> 00:59:41.210 I just, I love it. 00:59:41.240 --> 00:59:43.730 There's such a depth to it, rather than 00:59:43.730 --> 00:59:45.500 just smearing stuff on your face that people 00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:46.540 think it is, you know? 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:47.410 Totally. 00:59:47.790 --> 00:59:48.100 Yeah. 00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:54.225 So in 2011, you mentioned a traumatic experience 00:59:54.285 --> 00:59:57.945 where you nearly died and it mimicked in many 00:59:57.945 --> 01:00:01.365 ways, your dream of Dzunukwa, but a barred 01:00:01.365 --> 01:00:02.655 owl saved your life. 01:00:03.675 --> 01:00:07.905 Afterwards, after the event from what you 01:00:07.905 --> 01:00:11.475 described, looks like you were suffering from a 01:00:11.475 --> 01:00:12.365 form of PTSD essentially. 01:00:12.365 --> 01:00:13.475 Oh, definitely. 01:00:13.505 --> 01:00:14.135 Definitely. 01:00:14.255 --> 01:00:16.115 I have no problem saying, Hey, I've lived through 01:00:16.115 --> 01:00:18.815 some traumas and have suffered through PTSD. 01:00:18.815 --> 01:00:21.445 If you think that's valid for your listeners. 01:00:21.765 --> 01:00:24.545 Well it just, it was an interesting thing that 01:00:24.545 --> 01:00:27.455 came up and I don't want to be taking the podcast 01:00:27.455 --> 01:00:29.045 in a certain direction if it's not a place you're 01:00:29.045 --> 01:00:32.045 comfortable with, but with people who have 01:00:32.045 --> 01:00:33.005 been through trauma. 01:00:33.095 --> 01:00:33.545 Yeah. 01:00:33.605 --> 01:00:37.925 I did a podcast with a, a fellow who runs 01:00:37.925 --> 01:00:41.435 a, an outfit in Alberta and it's called Veteran 01:00:41.435 --> 01:00:42.695 Hunters and they do. 01:00:43.845 --> 01:00:46.695 They take veterans out hunting and they use, 01:00:46.695 --> 01:00:49.995 it's sort of like the Japanese have nature 01:00:49.995 --> 01:00:54.195 bathing, but he takes an activity which some 01:00:54.195 --> 01:01:00.045 people would, uh, ascribe violence and, uh, sort 01:01:00.045 --> 01:01:01.365 of a negative energy too. 01:01:01.635 --> 01:01:02.715 He says, no, no, no, no, no. 01:01:03.195 --> 01:01:04.275 You're, you're out there, you're 01:01:04.275 --> 01:01:05.285 stalking the animal. 01:01:05.325 --> 01:01:06.915 You're with like-minded people who've been 01:01:06.915 --> 01:01:10.185 through like experiences and using nature in, 01:01:10.185 --> 01:01:11.655 in a hunting situation. 01:01:11.715 --> 01:01:13.685 Yeah but I mean, you need to learn all 01:01:13.685 --> 01:01:15.365 kinds of things to be a great hunter. 01:01:15.365 --> 01:01:17.555 So, I mean, it is much more than just 01:01:17.585 --> 01:01:19.235 killing animals. 01:01:19.265 --> 01:01:20.165 Absolutely. 01:01:20.705 --> 01:01:21.785 It's a great program. 01:01:21.965 --> 01:01:24.515 And he uses that to assist people to work 01:01:24.515 --> 01:01:25.835 through their PTSD. 01:01:26.555 --> 01:01:29.765 And I guess with mental health being 01:01:29.765 --> 01:01:31.835 on the forefront with everybody in lockdown 01:01:31.835 --> 01:01:34.625 and with COVID, and I guess the question 01:01:34.625 --> 01:01:36.485 that I was asking you there, was essentially 01:01:37.245 --> 01:01:39.474 from an interest side in the story, but why 01:01:39.474 --> 01:01:41.504 don't we keep that as a personal story for you? 01:01:41.865 --> 01:01:42.225 And. 01:01:42.225 --> 01:01:43.714 Yeah, no, I have no problem, I love talking 01:01:43.714 --> 01:01:44.225 about this stuff. 01:01:44.254 --> 01:01:50.315 You know, my, my new, my new company is, is part 01:01:50.315 --> 01:01:53.615 of its foundation is based on our emotional 01:01:53.615 --> 01:01:54.815 state that we're in. 01:01:55.025 --> 01:01:57.004 Um, I personally have lived through quite 01:01:57.004 --> 01:01:59.674 a lot of traumas and PTSD events. 01:01:59.944 --> 01:02:04.205 So I really want to bring that as part of 01:02:04.205 --> 01:02:05.615 my business as well. 01:02:05.615 --> 01:02:07.565 I'm going to hire, um, different 01:02:07.565 --> 01:02:09.725 alternative therapists and things as well. 01:02:10.025 --> 01:02:14.390 Um, I'm not gonna go into great detail 01:02:14.390 --> 01:02:15.170 with my company in it. 01:02:15.170 --> 01:02:15.260 Right. 01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:17.870 But I do believe that nature is an amazing 01:02:17.870 --> 01:02:20.690 place for healing and to work through just 01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:24.350 common issues that we're all going through during 01:02:24.350 --> 01:02:25.610 COVID, especially. 01:02:25.610 --> 01:02:28.400 I mean, it doesn't need to be PTSD levels, 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:32.120 but you know, our depression is, you know, 01:02:32.150 --> 01:02:36.770 a growing concern, um, in youth and in adults. 01:02:36.770 --> 01:02:40.040 And so, yeah, I do believe that wilderness 01:02:40.040 --> 01:02:43.610 places are a way for us to be able to be free 01:02:43.610 --> 01:02:46.430 enough and be who we truly are to deal with 01:02:46.430 --> 01:02:49.850 these kinds of, um, mental problems that 01:02:49.850 --> 01:02:51.740 we're having in our lives, in our, in our, 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:53.360 in our culture for sure. 01:02:53.780 --> 01:02:56.600 Um, I know for a fact, especially with Alone, 01:02:56.780 --> 01:02:57.980 uh, I'll be very honest. 01:02:57.980 --> 01:03:00.530 It was very traumatizing for me to be pulled 01:03:00.530 --> 01:03:02.710 out, um, how I was on the show. 01:03:02.740 --> 01:03:03.540 Tell me about that. 01:03:03.540 --> 01:03:07.405 Um, yeah, I mean, it did traumatize me. 01:03:07.525 --> 01:03:08.425 There was no doubt. 01:03:08.425 --> 01:03:11.425 I mean, I was feeling the happiest and most joyous 01:03:11.425 --> 01:03:14.215 I can ever remember being on, on a survival treck. 01:03:14.515 --> 01:03:18.565 I never felt pain and suffering and I was never 01:03:18.565 --> 01:03:20.275 tired and exhausted. 01:03:20.275 --> 01:03:21.775 And just all those things that come with 01:03:21.775 --> 01:03:23.605 survival that you have to work through. 01:03:23.605 --> 01:03:27.325 Somehow I have no idea how this happened, but 01:03:27.325 --> 01:03:29.575 somehow I just, I never felt those things. 01:03:29.575 --> 01:03:31.135 I was never hungry, even though it 01:03:31.135 --> 01:03:32.425 was barely eating. 01:03:33.205 --> 01:03:37.675 Um, I had, I could hike for miles on my trapline 01:03:37.675 --> 01:03:38.755 and not feel tired. 01:03:38.755 --> 01:03:39.865 I mean, it just felt amazing. 01:03:39.895 --> 01:03:42.565 Even though I was losing a lot of weight and I 01:03:42.565 --> 01:03:44.935 had lost an extraordinary amount of weight. 01:03:45.445 --> 01:03:46.315 How much weight did you lose? 01:03:46.904 --> 01:03:49.575 Um, I, it was over 30 pounds. 01:03:49.575 --> 01:03:52.785 I came in, I think at about 126 pounds, which 01:03:52.785 --> 01:03:55.035 wasn't a lot, I really should try to fatten up. 01:03:55.835 --> 01:03:57.785 My body's like, I don't do this. 01:03:57.785 --> 01:04:00.154 And you're like, no, please, I'm going on a 01:04:00.154 --> 01:04:04.265 show about being fat, I need extra weight. 01:04:04.835 --> 01:04:09.415 Um, and I think I got down to 97 . Pounds. 01:04:09.445 --> 01:04:09.505 Wow. 01:04:09.705 --> 01:04:10.745 I mean, it was a lot. 01:04:10.745 --> 01:04:13.174 And so really there was concern of my 01:04:13.174 --> 01:04:14.825 weight loss, there was no doubt about it. 01:04:14.855 --> 01:04:18.545 And, um, I was concerned to a certain point. 01:04:18.634 --> 01:04:21.305 Um, I certainly had never seen my body. 01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:24.270 I knew that there was concern in the 01:04:24.270 --> 01:04:25.470 producers, I could tell. 01:04:25.470 --> 01:04:28.530 I mean, they're very, you know, straight face. 01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:29.760 I mean, they're not yakking into your 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:31.800 ear and it's just very like, Hey, I'm 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:32.520 doing my job here. 01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:33.620 I'm taking your vitals and blah, 01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:34.050 blah, blah, blah. 01:04:34.050 --> 01:04:35.820 I could tell sometimes when I would lift up 01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:39.200 my shirt as much as they were, I was like, 01:04:39.230 --> 01:04:41.030 ooh, they looked a little concern there. 01:04:41.450 --> 01:04:44.840 Um, and so yeah, when I got taken off the 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.170 show, um, it was, was like, as if I was being 01:04:48.170 --> 01:04:49.460 kidnapped is how I felt. 01:04:49.550 --> 01:04:52.070 My mind made it seem like I was being kidnapped 01:04:52.070 --> 01:04:52.970 against my will. 01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:57.080 And I spent about two weeks, um, trying to 01:04:57.080 --> 01:04:59.420 heal from that, uh, out in the field. 01:05:00.140 --> 01:05:02.210 And the production was incredible. 01:05:02.210 --> 01:05:05.090 They gave me every resource and people 01:05:05.090 --> 01:05:07.790 to talk to and psychiatrists and. 01:05:08.020 --> 01:05:08.490 Wow. 01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:11.420 Amazing food and a recovery program. 01:05:11.420 --> 01:05:13.340 And they did everything they could to help me. 01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:16.550 But going from this experience where I'm 01:05:16.550 --> 01:05:20.160 like living as happy as I could ever be in my life, 01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:22.680 to quickly, getting on an airplane and flying 01:05:22.680 --> 01:05:24.779 into a hospital to be tested for something 01:05:24.779 --> 01:05:26.360 that I was like, there's nothing with me. 01:05:26.750 --> 01:05:30.560 Um, and then it's like, ah, we're just going 01:05:30.560 --> 01:05:32.240 to have to monitor you in town and then 01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:34.880 being in town and just my mind just snapped. 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.080 And I was like, I need to get out to 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:36.770 the woods again. 01:05:36.770 --> 01:05:39.920 And, um, so I got back out to the woods and 01:05:40.100 --> 01:05:42.500 took about two weeks in this little cabin 01:05:42.500 --> 01:05:45.110 and they were really great and letting me 01:05:45.110 --> 01:05:48.740 kind of go out of my cabin when I wanted to. 01:05:48.740 --> 01:05:50.960 And I started talking and doing just 01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:51.620 like what I said. 01:05:51.620 --> 01:05:53.990 I'm like, wow, I really feel terrible about the 01:05:53.990 --> 01:05:57.380 last, you know, hare that I trapped, um, 01:05:57.380 --> 01:06:00.840 on the day that I was taken out a hare that I 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.180 found on the trap line, as I was taking my trap 01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:04.680 line before I left. 01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:05.760 I was like, I'm not leaving here until 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:07.980 I take all my traps down like, so they 01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:09.110 hiked around with me. 01:06:09.380 --> 01:06:09.860 Good for you. 01:06:09.890 --> 01:06:10.250 Yeah. 01:06:10.340 --> 01:06:14.120 And, um, yeah, just, it was a slow process and 01:06:14.570 --> 01:06:17.360 I realized how important nature was for me. 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.460 And I think for other people too, can be 01:06:19.460 --> 01:06:24.765 a place to really be able to you know, see 01:06:24.765 --> 01:06:27.705 the patterns in your life from your past 01:06:27.705 --> 01:06:30.225 experiences that are still with us and 01:06:30.315 --> 01:06:32.415 into our future that we still live from. 01:06:32.415 --> 01:06:34.545 And there are mostly these false beliefs 01:06:34.545 --> 01:06:36.194 systems that we have about ourselves. 01:06:36.194 --> 01:06:37.875 These stories that we tell ourselves that 01:06:37.875 --> 01:06:38.985 is a complete lie. 01:06:39.615 --> 01:06:42.355 Um, you know, especially from traumatic 01:06:42.375 --> 01:06:44.714 situations, we, we make up all kinds of coping 01:06:44.714 --> 01:06:48.585 mechanisms and, um, these things can really come to 01:06:48.585 --> 01:06:50.535 light in the wilderness because it's just such 01:06:50.535 --> 01:06:51.825 a pure place to be. 01:06:51.825 --> 01:06:54.134 And safe, you know, as much as we're, can be 01:06:54.134 --> 01:06:56.924 afraid of big game and wildlife and spiders and 01:06:56.924 --> 01:06:59.315 the dark and all these other things like in a 01:06:59.315 --> 01:07:02.105 safe environment with safe people that know how 01:07:02.105 --> 01:07:04.865 to take care of you and teaching you to take care 01:07:04.865 --> 01:07:08.375 of yourself in nature, I think is a great space 01:07:08.375 --> 01:07:11.795 for, um, helping to heal ourselves and the planet. 01:07:11.855 --> 01:07:14.555 I really feel like now that the way to 01:07:14.555 --> 01:07:16.654 save our planet is by healing ourselves. 01:07:16.685 --> 01:07:20.120 I mean, and that's kind of the mission of my 01:07:20.120 --> 01:07:21.390 new company is just. 01:07:21.390 --> 01:07:21.819 Woah. 01:07:21.819 --> 01:07:25.819 Trying to help people have this relationship 01:07:25.819 --> 01:07:27.170 with nature in a different way. 01:07:27.589 --> 01:07:31.069 Um, through look, I'm a big adventure fan. 01:07:31.069 --> 01:07:34.100 So I'm all about pushing the edge, whether it's 01:07:34.100 --> 01:07:36.200 pushing the edge of adventure or pushing the 01:07:36.200 --> 01:07:37.730 edge of self-discovery. 01:07:38.089 --> 01:07:39.470 And that's kind of what my new company 01:07:39.470 --> 01:07:39.980 is going to be about. 01:07:40.299 --> 01:07:42.720 That's a very ambitious goal. 01:07:42.749 --> 01:07:43.350 It is. 01:07:43.439 --> 01:07:45.759 It's all going to be, uh, really customized 01:07:45.759 --> 01:07:49.330 to each individual group or person, um, so that 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.450 it can be fine tuned to what your fears are 01:07:52.450 --> 01:07:55.390 potentially or what your, what animals you 01:07:55.390 --> 01:07:57.549 want to, you know, make better relationships 01:07:57.549 --> 01:08:00.220 with or see, or so it'll be really customized 01:08:00.220 --> 01:08:02.290 to like your interests and nature, so it's. 01:08:02.560 --> 01:08:03.190 Very cool. 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:05.410 Um, it's not just going to be like a 01:08:05.410 --> 01:08:07.390 one-stop shop for sure. 01:08:07.690 --> 01:08:09.160 Well, I'm going to put some links up in 01:08:09.160 --> 01:08:11.680 the, in the bio and on the YouTube page. 01:08:12.510 --> 01:08:16.160 I know it's a, uh, a fledging business. 01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:16.330 Yes. 01:08:16.330 --> 01:08:17.360 Do you have a website for it? 01:08:17.470 --> 01:08:18.620 I don't have the website. 01:08:18.620 --> 01:08:21.319 I just was a-okayed by the name, which 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.420 I can't believe the process that I went 01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:24.020 through through that. 01:08:24.020 --> 01:08:25.460 I finally decided to make a phone call 01:08:25.460 --> 01:08:28.069 and say, look, it's impossible to name a 01:08:28.069 --> 01:08:31.550 company in 2021, that isn't already out there. 01:08:31.550 --> 01:08:32.150 I'm sorry. 01:08:32.150 --> 01:08:32.360 Right. 01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:34.660 Like I'm looking up Sanskrit dictionary 01:08:34.660 --> 01:08:36.490 just to come up with some words. 01:08:36.490 --> 01:08:37.260 Come on! 01:08:37.490 --> 01:08:40.910 They finally a-okayed it and I've incorporated it. 01:08:40.910 --> 01:08:42.950 And so I'm just moving into the next steps of 01:08:43.250 --> 01:08:44.420 getting the website out. 01:08:44.420 --> 01:08:46.340 And I have a great team of people 01:08:46.340 --> 01:08:47.750 already ready and. 01:08:48.270 --> 01:08:48.480 Well, that's. 01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:49.230 I'm excited about it. 01:08:49.470 --> 01:08:50.250 Hugely helpful. 01:08:50.270 --> 01:08:51.650 Yeah, trying to get a business started in 01:08:51.650 --> 01:08:53.870 this day and age in some ways, like if you 01:08:53.870 --> 01:08:55.730 want an internet based business or something 01:08:55.730 --> 01:08:57.969 online, incredibly easy. 01:08:57.969 --> 01:08:58.569 Yes. 01:08:58.630 --> 01:08:59.740 Low barrier to entry. 01:08:59.740 --> 01:09:02.979 If you want to have a physical boots on the 01:09:02.979 --> 01:09:05.559 ground, bricks and mortar type of a business, 01:09:05.950 --> 01:09:07.929 holy crow, the number of barriers that you 01:09:07.929 --> 01:09:08.870 have to work through. 01:09:09.149 --> 01:09:12.719 Oh, I had no idea and I, I'm way over my head 01:09:12.719 --> 01:09:16.019 in this, you know, my skills are actually in 01:09:16.019 --> 01:09:18.809 the forest, not sitting like trying to design 01:09:18.809 --> 01:09:19.740 those corporation. 01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:22.050 But I'm hiring great people that are 01:09:22.050 --> 01:09:25.139 experts in their own worlds and to help me. 01:09:25.139 --> 01:09:28.710 And, um, yeah, I it's, it's, uh, it's one of 01:09:28.710 --> 01:09:31.170 those things, you know, I've always said, um, 01:09:31.590 --> 01:09:33.479 I'm always doing what scares me the most and 01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:35.490 I got to say, starting this business is pretty 01:09:35.490 --> 01:09:37.950 scary, so I know I must be on the right track. 01:09:38.189 --> 01:09:39.120 Good for you, Nikki. 01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:40.740 Well, is there anything else that 01:09:40.740 --> 01:09:41.609 we should chat about? 01:09:42.870 --> 01:09:45.120 What other, what are things for your 01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:48.240 listeners, would they be interested in? 01:09:48.240 --> 01:09:52.365 This whole thing is a figment of my ADHD mind 01:09:52.365 --> 01:09:57.335 because The Silvercore Podcast, is on paper 01:09:57.905 --> 01:10:03.275 about hunting, firearms, foraging, fishing, 01:10:03.665 --> 01:10:06.184 outdoor pursuits, and the people in businesses that 01:10:06.184 --> 01:10:07.355 comprise the community. 01:10:07.355 --> 01:10:07.715 Yeah. 01:10:08.065 --> 01:10:11.375 But in reality, I've had the inventor of the 01:10:11.375 --> 01:10:12.644 invisible cloak on here. 01:10:12.865 --> 01:10:13.085 Nice! 01:10:13.085 --> 01:10:14.144 Really cool guy. 01:10:14.165 --> 01:10:16.894 And I would have called BS, unless I had, 01:10:16.925 --> 01:10:19.235 I've got a picture in here holding it up. 01:10:19.235 --> 01:10:19.855 Sick. 01:10:20.254 --> 01:10:24.035 And the, the guy, Guy Cramer, brilliant fellow. 01:10:24.665 --> 01:10:26.434 And I thought, well, you know, camouflage, 01:10:26.554 --> 01:10:29.585 that's that that's a hunting thing. 01:10:29.585 --> 01:10:30.625 We'll fit that in, right. 01:10:30.625 --> 01:10:31.675 Yeah. 01:10:31.675 --> 01:10:34.594 We've had a fellow came top of his class on 01:10:34.594 --> 01:10:39.695 FBI, Virginia Quantico, firearms instructor, and 01:10:40.144 --> 01:10:42.455 a suffered a horrific motorcycle accident 01:10:42.995 --> 01:10:44.974 and another fellow who was mauled by a grizzly 01:10:44.974 --> 01:10:47.375 bear and fought it off of this pocket knife. 01:10:47.405 --> 01:10:47.615 I mean. 01:10:48.440 --> 01:10:48.950 Yeah. 01:10:49.934 --> 01:10:51.884 The idea behind this podcast is I want to 01:10:51.884 --> 01:10:53.575 talk with people who I find interesting and. 01:10:53.575 --> 01:10:53.644 Yeah. 01:10:53.644 --> 01:10:54.285 I want to have fun. 01:10:54.285 --> 01:10:56.505 So if the listeners don't like what I'm talking 01:10:56.505 --> 01:10:57.884 about, they could tune into something else. 01:10:57.945 --> 01:10:59.894 I'm not, I'm not doing it for likes and listens 01:10:59.894 --> 01:11:00.405 or anything like that. 01:11:00.405 --> 01:11:02.044 This is just me having fun. 01:11:02.075 --> 01:11:02.294 Yeah. 01:11:02.294 --> 01:11:06.155 I'm trying to think of, um, everybody wants to 01:11:06.155 --> 01:11:07.924 hear some of the stories. 01:11:08.260 --> 01:11:09.809 That never get published, you know, 01:11:09.809 --> 01:11:10.540 you know what I mean? 01:11:10.599 --> 01:11:13.139 Um, I love talking about things that 01:11:13.900 --> 01:11:16.870 obviously all the big events that happen you 01:11:16.870 --> 01:11:18.730 have to share, because those are so cool. 01:11:18.730 --> 01:11:18.820 Sure. 01:11:19.110 --> 01:11:21.190 But there's always these other underlining 01:11:21.190 --> 01:11:23.920 stories that happen to any of us in the woods 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:24.790 that don't get shared. 01:11:24.790 --> 01:11:27.490 And especially on a television show, um, you 01:11:27.490 --> 01:11:30.110 know, someone else is telling your story and. 01:11:30.360 --> 01:11:30.919 Yeah. 01:11:31.110 --> 01:11:34.450 It's hard to, like, there's not much time to, 01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:35.410 they'll tell your story. 01:11:35.410 --> 01:11:38.500 So it has to be the big events or whatever. 01:11:38.559 --> 01:11:43.389 Um, and yeah, I, I, I'd never thought that going 01:11:43.389 --> 01:11:47.200 on a reality TV show for one and a game show, be 01:11:47.210 --> 01:11:50.440 anything that I would, you know, want to do. 01:11:50.500 --> 01:11:51.340 But you're competitive. 01:11:51.490 --> 01:11:52.690 But I'm super competitive. 01:11:52.719 --> 01:11:54.910 And I finally realized that there was 01:11:54.910 --> 01:11:56.500 $500,000 on the line. 01:11:56.500 --> 01:11:58.510 I did not know in the previous 01:11:58.510 --> 01:11:58.656 years I was asked. 01:11:58.656 --> 01:11:58.688 So. 01:11:59.838 --> 01:12:00.448 Really? 01:12:00.448 --> 01:12:03.900 Yeah I was asked for like five years, every 01:12:03.900 --> 01:12:05.070 year since it started. 01:12:05.160 --> 01:12:07.140 And I was like, oh yeah, I'm not really into that. 01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:08.490 I'm kind of doing stuff or whatever. 01:12:08.490 --> 01:12:10.490 And then on season six, they're like, 01:12:10.490 --> 01:12:12.360 yeah, you don't want to win the $500,000. 01:12:12.360 --> 01:12:13.240 I was like, what? 01:12:13.430 --> 01:12:14.340 Half a million. 01:12:14.380 --> 01:12:15.019 Sign me up. 01:12:15.019 --> 01:12:15.260 Yes! 01:12:15.260 --> 01:12:16.110 Where are we going? 01:12:16.110 --> 01:12:18.690 And I remember she said, uh, yeah, we're 01:12:18.690 --> 01:12:20.130 going to the Arctic. 01:12:20.130 --> 01:12:22.500 And I was like, ooh, yeah, I don't really 01:12:22.500 --> 01:12:25.650 know anything about snowy locations or 01:12:25.860 --> 01:12:27.120 been in the snow. 01:12:27.570 --> 01:12:31.380 Um, is there trees and cause all I thought was 01:12:31.410 --> 01:12:34.230 polar bears and you know. 01:12:34.839 --> 01:12:35.360 Icebergs, penguins. 01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:38.040 Icebergs, ice and polar bears that eat you. 01:12:39.180 --> 01:12:41.760 And she's like, oh yeah, I think so. 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.860 I was like, how about I need a hundred percent 01:12:43.860 --> 01:12:45.750 definition, there's some trees and then 01:12:45.750 --> 01:12:46.650 they'll get back to you. 01:12:46.650 --> 01:12:48.720 So anyways, she was like, yeah, there'll be trees. 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.559 And so I was like, okay. 01:12:50.040 --> 01:12:53.160 Um, but yeah, I think one of the things I learned 01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:59.480 about, um, hunting when I was on Alone was, 01:12:59.510 --> 01:13:01.340 you know, I'm not, I'm not a big game hunter. 01:13:01.340 --> 01:13:03.290 I've only shot animals, bows and arrows, 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:05.690 I don't think of myself as a hunter. 01:13:06.320 --> 01:13:08.210 Um, I'm a trapper, I have a trap line. 01:13:08.230 --> 01:13:09.500 I really don't think of myself as a 01:13:09.500 --> 01:13:10.820 trapper much either. 01:13:10.820 --> 01:13:10.980 Sure. 01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:14.600 But it was so amazing to learn how to 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.310 be a hare trapper. 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.424 It was, I think the best part of 01:13:19.424 --> 01:13:20.415 my time out there. 01:13:20.594 --> 01:13:22.695 And I would never have believed that that would 01:13:22.695 --> 01:13:24.014 have been something I would have been 01:13:24.075 --> 01:13:25.304 that excited about. 01:13:25.634 --> 01:13:28.844 And it was so incredible to learn about an 01:13:28.844 --> 01:13:30.855 animal really didn't know anything about, 01:13:30.855 --> 01:13:32.865 I've never lived with hares or rabbits, 01:13:33.375 --> 01:13:36.434 um, and to, you know, have to ditch fishing 01:13:36.434 --> 01:13:38.535 because it's just, I didn't have a spot I 01:13:38.535 --> 01:13:40.394 needed to wait till it froze over and I was 01:13:40.394 --> 01:13:41.264 wasting too much time. 01:13:41.264 --> 01:13:43.485 So I was like, okay, I'm switching, I'm gonna just 01:13:43.485 --> 01:13:44.535 get me a hare trapper. 01:13:44.865 --> 01:13:49.665 And so walk the landscape and try to find sign 01:13:49.665 --> 01:13:51.344 that I would, you know, I'd read about, 01:13:51.344 --> 01:13:54.525 but it wasn't really have that experience 01:13:54.525 --> 01:13:57.285 in the woods with and setting up the traps. 01:13:58.005 --> 01:14:01.365 Like really learning from every rabbit that 01:14:01.365 --> 01:14:05.295 I trapped, like to be able to learn on the go 01:14:05.295 --> 01:14:09.405 like that, for your very existence and the money, 01:14:09.405 --> 01:14:10.555 you know, I was there. 01:14:10.585 --> 01:14:10.675 Sure. 01:14:10.675 --> 01:14:12.105 Not for the experience. 01:14:12.135 --> 01:14:13.804 The only thing I was there for was that money. 01:14:13.875 --> 01:14:14.195 Right. 01:14:14.195 --> 01:14:16.275 I gotta say, I didn't have these other things 01:14:16.275 --> 01:14:18.554 that most people do going on the show, like, yeah, 01:14:18.554 --> 01:14:19.844 I want to test myself. 01:14:19.875 --> 01:14:21.465 I was like, no, kind of already done that. 01:14:21.465 --> 01:14:21.845 Been there, done that. 01:14:21.845 --> 01:14:23.594 I was like, I just want the money. 01:14:23.594 --> 01:14:24.405 Like, that's it. 01:14:24.825 --> 01:14:26.144 And, um, to have something like 01:14:26.144 --> 01:14:29.175 that, fueling you is really odd too. 01:14:29.474 --> 01:14:32.280 Um, And so that I think the learning how to 01:14:32.280 --> 01:14:35.610 trap that the hares was this really incredible 01:14:35.610 --> 01:14:37.950 way to, has what we've been talking about 01:14:37.980 --> 01:14:40.940 the whole afternoon of getting a relationship 01:14:40.940 --> 01:14:42.950 with that land, was through the rabbits 01:14:43.010 --> 01:14:44.510 and through trapping. 01:14:44.780 --> 01:14:48.410 It wasn't me wandering around and, you 01:14:48.410 --> 01:14:51.380 know, sitting there and getting berries. 01:14:51.380 --> 01:14:53.570 It was actually hunting animals that, 01:14:54.170 --> 01:14:56.600 um, connected me with that land in a 01:14:56.630 --> 01:14:57.980 much more deeper way. 01:14:58.250 --> 01:14:59.630 And I think that's something that people 01:14:59.630 --> 01:15:01.880 don't often think about as far as the 01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.140 hunting world, you know. 01:15:03.350 --> 01:15:05.960 But I learned so much about that land and 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.080 the history and the other animals that were 01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:10.940 living there through those rabbits and the 01:15:10.940 --> 01:15:13.130 rabbits that I was successful in getting. 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.130 And, um, it was a really profound kind 01:15:16.130 --> 01:15:19.820 of realization for me that, wow, this is one 01:15:19.820 --> 01:15:22.940 path to developing this relationship that I'm 01:15:22.940 --> 01:15:25.070 talking about, which you wouldn't imagine 01:15:25.580 --> 01:15:26.660 necessarily to be. 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.770 But it brings a whole wholeness to the story 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.640 by utilizing that animal for my own life. 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:34.210 It does. 01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:34.630 Um. 01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:37.630 You know, non-hunters will have a difficult 01:15:37.630 --> 01:15:39.680 time understanding that. 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:40.120 Yeah. 01:15:40.280 --> 01:15:43.240 Because they look at the act of hunting, 01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:48.190 quite, the initial imagery is typically 01:15:48.280 --> 01:15:53.260 male dominated, firearm and shooting an animal. 01:15:53.290 --> 01:15:55.480 And that's hunting in the non hunter and 01:15:55.480 --> 01:15:56.510 most non hunters mind. 01:15:56.530 --> 01:16:01.330 When the diversity in hunters is growing 01:16:01.330 --> 01:16:02.470 on a daily basis. 01:16:02.870 --> 01:16:02.940 Yeah. 01:16:02.940 --> 01:16:06.820 The act of actually, if you're using a firearm 01:16:06.820 --> 01:16:10.420 to hunt, of shooting is only just a minuscule 01:16:10.420 --> 01:16:13.510 portion of everything that's involved. 01:16:14.054 --> 01:16:16.724 And hunters share and understanding of the land 01:16:16.755 --> 01:16:19.485 and an understanding of the animals, in a way 01:16:19.485 --> 01:16:22.995 that non-hunters would have a very difficult 01:16:22.995 --> 01:16:25.295 time to, to appreciate. 01:16:25.355 --> 01:16:25.804 Yeah. 01:16:26.045 --> 01:16:27.094 Yeah, exactly. 01:16:27.094 --> 01:16:29.554 And I will say there was, there's so many 01:16:29.554 --> 01:16:33.755 moments where, you know what I mean, having a 01:16:34.065 --> 01:16:36.394 hare in your trap was like, this is another 01:16:36.394 --> 01:16:38.825 day I get to live out in this amazing space. 01:16:38.825 --> 01:16:42.575 I mean, when I would find an animal or shoot 01:16:42.575 --> 01:16:46.505 a squirrel, it was like, yes, like couple more 01:16:46.505 --> 01:16:48.005 days out here I got. 01:16:48.005 --> 01:16:49.804 Like, just everyday I woke up thinking that 01:16:49.804 --> 01:16:51.965 like, yes, like I'm so excited for life, 01:16:51.965 --> 01:16:54.695 this intensity and joy for life every day out 01:16:54.695 --> 01:16:56.224 there was so incredible. 01:16:56.434 --> 01:16:57.695 And to be able to bring that back into 01:16:57.695 --> 01:17:00.335 my life now has changed my life completely. 01:17:00.724 --> 01:17:03.035 And, um, I have to say sometimes I'd be 01:17:03.035 --> 01:17:05.644 walking my trap line and you know, you'd 01:17:05.644 --> 01:17:08.805 see the rabbit off in the distance and I'm 01:17:08.805 --> 01:17:10.065 like, okay, come on. 01:17:10.185 --> 01:17:12.615 At least just this one time don't cry. 01:17:12.675 --> 01:17:15.105 Okay, just come on, you can do it. 01:17:15.105 --> 01:17:15.315 You know? 01:17:15.315 --> 01:17:17.795 And I walk up there like, yes, like, you 01:17:17.805 --> 01:17:20.385 know, I don't have to just, and then all of 01:17:20.385 --> 01:17:21.045 a sudden I'd see it. 01:17:21.045 --> 01:17:24.115 I'd just be like so grateful and you know, 01:17:24.135 --> 01:17:26.535 the sense of gratitude that happens to you out 01:17:26.565 --> 01:17:29.325 there in a real survival situation like that. 01:17:29.865 --> 01:17:31.665 Gosh, this, this gratitude is 01:17:31.695 --> 01:17:32.985 overwhelms me. 01:17:32.985 --> 01:17:35.175 And I just said like, Oh gosh, okay. 01:17:35.175 --> 01:17:38.265 Well I definitely, after crying, it's so fun. 01:17:40.865 --> 01:17:42.335 And then eating rabbit, that was 01:17:42.335 --> 01:17:44.315 your primary source of protein, was it? 01:17:44.645 --> 01:17:44.795 Yeah. 01:17:44.825 --> 01:17:46.355 Rabbits and squirrels. 01:17:46.475 --> 01:17:47.765 Uh, and wow. 01:17:47.795 --> 01:17:50.315 I'd never I've tasted hare before, but 01:17:51.095 --> 01:17:52.655 wow, it was so good. 01:17:52.655 --> 01:17:53.555 I can't believe it. 01:17:53.615 --> 01:17:55.800 Uh, people always are laughing. 01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.620 Cause my favorite part, like my dessert was 01:17:58.620 --> 01:17:59.910 always the eyeballs. 01:18:00.540 --> 01:18:03.120 I can't believe how good those rabbits, the 01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:04.380 bunny eyeballs were. 01:18:04.380 --> 01:18:05.640 It was so good. 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.380 I just saved them to the end and the tongue. 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:09.050 You and Bear Grylls, eh? 01:18:10.410 --> 01:18:11.519 So ridiculous. 01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:12.620 I was like, Oh wow. 01:18:13.250 --> 01:18:15.200 You know, it's the classic drama 01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:16.020 of television. 01:18:16.050 --> 01:18:18.019 I was like, no, wait, this is gourmet, 01:18:18.260 --> 01:18:19.710 I have to say. 01:18:19.930 --> 01:18:20.600 Eyeballs. 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:22.990 I'm elevating these guys to gourmet. 01:18:23.019 --> 01:18:24.290 I've had fish eyeballs. 01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:24.620 Oh yeah. 01:18:24.620 --> 01:18:25.280 They're pretty good. 01:18:25.280 --> 01:18:25.340 Yeah. 01:18:25.510 --> 01:18:26.370 These are better. 01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:26.700 Better? 01:18:26.740 --> 01:18:28.490 I don't know why, but yeah. 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:32.030 I'm all about making, you know, gourmet wild meals. 01:18:32.390 --> 01:18:34.310 Forget those like disgusting gray 01:18:34.310 --> 01:18:37.050 soups with ash and charcoal bits in there. 01:18:37.330 --> 01:18:37.830 Yes. 01:18:38.420 --> 01:18:41.060 It's like Bear Grylls episode where he had 01:18:41.060 --> 01:18:43.170 Will Ferrell out in the whole celebrity take. 01:18:43.170 --> 01:18:43.790 Yeah, yeah. 01:18:44.420 --> 01:18:46.815 And, uh, they just ate the eyeball off. 01:18:46.815 --> 01:18:49.275 I forget what creature, but then later on 01:18:49.275 --> 01:18:51.315 there's a, I think it was an eagle flying 01:18:51.315 --> 01:18:56.165 above and Will Ferrells, hmm I wonder what it's 01:18:56.895 --> 01:18:59.554 eyeballs taste like. 01:18:59.844 --> 01:19:00.214 That's awesome. 01:19:00.214 --> 01:19:00.275 Yeah. 01:19:00.275 --> 01:19:02.105 He's classic for eating just gross stuff. 01:19:02.105 --> 01:19:02.665 Oh totally. 01:19:02.665 --> 01:19:03.845 That's his claim to fame. 01:19:03.875 --> 01:19:04.415 Totally. 01:19:04.535 --> 01:19:07.715 But I guess if you're just eating squirrels and 01:19:07.715 --> 01:19:12.740 rabbits, isn't there, so, the lack of fat that's 01:19:12.740 --> 01:19:14.570 required in order for you to keep the pounds 01:19:14.570 --> 01:19:17.750 on, but isn't there a craziness, what's the 01:19:17.750 --> 01:19:18.470 word I'm looking for? 01:19:18.740 --> 01:19:20.870 Isn't there supposed to be like rabbit fever? 01:19:21.700 --> 01:19:22.000 Yeah. 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:24.520 It's like a rabbit starvation or 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:25.360 rabbit poisoning. 01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:26.470 There's an actual term for it. 01:19:26.470 --> 01:19:27.100 I should know it. 01:19:27.310 --> 01:19:30.400 Um, but you do and you can't live off rabbit. 01:19:30.450 --> 01:19:30.940 Right. 01:19:30.940 --> 01:19:32.820 We proved that on Alone um. 01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:33.330 Sure. 01:19:33.330 --> 01:19:36.160 You literally can't, there's no fat, so 01:19:36.340 --> 01:19:37.960 that's why fish is pretty important. 01:19:38.260 --> 01:19:38.470 Right. 01:19:38.470 --> 01:19:40.240 Because they do have a lot of fat on them and 01:19:40.240 --> 01:19:42.160 you know, there's fat around the kidneys or 01:19:42.160 --> 01:19:45.400 whatever, but it's so minuscule that, um, yeah, 01:19:45.400 --> 01:19:47.830 you will die from eating rabbit after awhile. 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:49.060 It's just too high in protein. 01:19:49.310 --> 01:19:50.980 I've heard that you have some sort of a, 01:19:50.980 --> 01:19:54.559 uh, you can go a little nutty before dying. 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.050 Or am I off base on this one? 01:19:58.200 --> 01:20:00.075 Pretty sure you go nutty, once you start 01:20:00.075 --> 01:20:00.885 starving to death. 01:20:00.945 --> 01:20:02.125 Yeah, I guess so. 01:20:04.155 --> 01:20:05.565 Yeah definitely. 01:20:05.565 --> 01:20:08.505 Your functions of your brain start going down. 01:20:08.885 --> 01:20:10.185 Knew a fellow. 01:20:10.185 --> 01:20:12.395 His name was Mike Gallon and he owned a 01:20:13.085 --> 01:20:15.125 place years ago called Mike's Musket Shop. 01:20:15.185 --> 01:20:18.485 Uh, he was a multimillionaire who 01:20:18.485 --> 01:20:22.295 decided to leave his mansion and all of 01:20:22.295 --> 01:20:24.665 his property to his wife and his son. 01:20:25.055 --> 01:20:29.105 And he went up to Lillooet and they called 01:20:29.105 --> 01:20:30.005 them the grape rancher. 01:20:30.035 --> 01:20:31.565 He built himself a little cinderblock 01:20:31.565 --> 01:20:34.745 house, and I think he could speak those five 01:20:34.745 --> 01:20:38.825 different languages, a very eccentric fellow. 01:20:39.644 --> 01:20:43.245 And he was talking about, uh, when he was in the 01:20:43.245 --> 01:20:45.464 concentration camps and the amount of weight 01:20:45.495 --> 01:20:48.464 that he lost and some of the atrocities of 01:20:48.464 --> 01:20:51.974 the rest, but his first meal that he had when 01:20:51.974 --> 01:20:55.315 he was out was a very high, fat content meal. 01:20:55.344 --> 01:20:57.310 And he would always tell me that meal 01:20:57.310 --> 01:20:58.090 almost killed them. 01:20:58.090 --> 01:20:58.840 Yes. 01:20:59.050 --> 01:21:02.740 Well, um, the production team of Alone, they have 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:06.280 a very strict re-feeding program for the, for 01:21:06.460 --> 01:21:07.450 that exact reason. 01:21:07.900 --> 01:21:09.730 Um, because we are starving to 01:21:09.730 --> 01:21:12.100 death out there, literally, literally. 01:21:12.100 --> 01:21:14.950 I mean, there's been some serious cases of 01:21:15.040 --> 01:21:17.920 people being pretty sick, um, and pushing 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.860 yourself to that point of like, wow, like I can 01:21:21.010 --> 01:21:22.270 barely walk, you know. 01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:24.940 I know on my first treck I got to the point 01:21:24.940 --> 01:21:25.930 I could barely walk. 01:21:26.050 --> 01:21:27.670 Uh, I know what that feels like. 01:21:27.670 --> 01:21:29.680 You can barely move around, like 01:21:29.740 --> 01:21:31.060 picking up any pot. 01:21:31.060 --> 01:21:33.970 You're like, can't even, you're just 01:21:33.970 --> 01:21:34.929 skin and bones. 01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:35.260 Right. 01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:37.810 Um, but yeah, so Alone does do that. 01:21:37.810 --> 01:21:39.760 They have an incredible re-feeding program 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:42.040 so that you don't just shock your body. 01:21:42.280 --> 01:21:44.740 And it sucks, you know, for most participants 01:21:44.770 --> 01:21:46.950 because they're like, dude, I just. 01:21:46.950 --> 01:21:47.320 Fill me up! 01:21:47.320 --> 01:21:49.470 Really haven't eaten anything for two weeks. 01:21:49.530 --> 01:21:52.500 Um, I just want to eat, you know, chocolate 01:21:52.500 --> 01:21:53.940 and candy and whatever. 01:21:53.940 --> 01:21:56.970 And so there's just this very long procedure 01:21:56.970 --> 01:21:59.120 that goes on when you get out of the field, 01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:00.290 which is fantastic. 01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:02.000 Otherwise, yeah, there's a lot of problems 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:02.420 that can happen. 01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:04.820 So do you have a, you have a nutritionalist 01:22:04.820 --> 01:22:07.670 there, um, that you talk to and she makes 01:22:07.670 --> 01:22:10.670 up all the meals based on your story out there. 01:22:10.670 --> 01:22:13.170 So if you hadn't last, you know, if you weren't 01:22:13.170 --> 01:22:14.970 out there as long, then it's different 01:22:14.970 --> 01:22:17.010 for people who have gone to a certain stage 01:22:17.010 --> 01:22:20.070 and certain of their, you know, bodies. 01:22:20.850 --> 01:22:21.060 Yeah. 01:22:21.060 --> 01:22:23.430 Their weight to their cardio. 01:22:24.120 --> 01:22:25.890 I mean, you're all, you have all kinds of 01:22:25.890 --> 01:22:27.660 tests done on you to determine where you're 01:22:27.660 --> 01:22:28.730 at in your re-feeding. 01:22:28.980 --> 01:22:30.179 What was your re-feeding process? 01:22:30.179 --> 01:22:30.930 What did that look like? 01:22:31.590 --> 01:22:35.040 You know, gosh, I was so caught up in my mind. 01:22:35.040 --> 01:22:38.220 I literally don't really remember much. 01:22:38.460 --> 01:22:41.430 I remember them, you know, they see, yeah. 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.310 It's broth mostly a broth. 01:22:44.910 --> 01:22:48.030 Um, there's no solid foods right away. 01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:51.720 So it's just mostly soup with just a broth. 01:22:52.440 --> 01:22:56.340 Bone broth is um, and then once you get through 01:22:56.340 --> 01:23:00.570 the bone broth, um, you start getting, I 01:23:00.570 --> 01:23:04.455 don't know, there would be, maybe a Cracker. 01:23:04.485 --> 01:23:06.645 I think crackers came pretty late actually. 01:23:06.645 --> 01:23:08.535 I think the breads and stuff were 01:23:08.565 --> 01:23:09.765 very late in it. 01:23:10.245 --> 01:23:12.375 Um, I, I honestly hardly remember. 01:23:12.375 --> 01:23:15.645 I remember just eating, um, and just journaling. 01:23:16.065 --> 01:23:18.855 Like I journaled for four days straight without 01:23:18.855 --> 01:23:20.325 leaving, doing anything. 01:23:20.325 --> 01:23:22.395 I never slept, I probably didn't sleep for nine 01:23:22.395 --> 01:23:23.145 days or something. 01:23:23.145 --> 01:23:24.825 Seven or nine days when I came out. 01:23:25.095 --> 01:23:25.425 Really? 01:23:25.455 --> 01:23:25.905 Oh yeah. 01:23:25.905 --> 01:23:26.835 It was just like. 01:23:26.985 --> 01:23:27.645 Just wired. 01:23:27.795 --> 01:23:28.305 Yeah. 01:23:28.335 --> 01:23:31.515 Journaling and just like, so, oh my gosh, 01:23:31.515 --> 01:23:34.925 there was so much going on and being, I don't 01:23:34.925 --> 01:23:38.265 just out of that wild setting into, you know, 01:23:39.795 --> 01:23:43.065 modern, I guess, world, if you will, was just so 01:23:43.065 --> 01:23:46.855 overwhelming with your senses being so expanded. 01:23:46.855 --> 01:23:46.964 Yes. 01:23:46.964 --> 01:23:48.825 And it just drove me crazy. 01:23:48.825 --> 01:23:50.775 You can hear every single thing. 01:23:50.775 --> 01:23:53.505 So, um, I just journaled and was just like, I'm 01:23:53.505 --> 01:23:55.965 just gonna write like how I felt out there and 01:23:55.965 --> 01:23:58.035 why don't I feel like that now, like I need 01:23:58.035 --> 01:23:59.664 to get back and then I would just tell them, 01:23:59.685 --> 01:24:01.365 like, I just want to get back to how I was 01:24:01.365 --> 01:24:02.985 feeling in the woods and then I'll be ready to go 01:24:02.985 --> 01:24:04.845 home and call my family. 01:24:04.845 --> 01:24:08.085 I mean, I didn't call my family for a couple 01:24:08.085 --> 01:24:10.725 of weeks probably until I was like, hey, I 01:24:10.725 --> 01:24:11.835 figured everything out. 01:24:11.835 --> 01:24:13.095 I'm ready to go. 01:24:13.365 --> 01:24:14.865 Did, did you actually have to figure it out? 01:24:15.035 --> 01:24:15.745 Yeah, I did. 01:24:15.825 --> 01:24:16.055 Did you? 01:24:16.095 --> 01:24:17.925 I, um, they were great. 01:24:17.925 --> 01:24:21.510 I said, uh, you know, I need some crayons 01:24:21.510 --> 01:24:24.300 and some big paper and I just turned 01:24:24.300 --> 01:24:25.470 my cabin into this. 01:24:25.740 --> 01:24:27.840 It kind of looked like that reminds me of that 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:29.510 movie um, beautiful mind. 01:24:29.510 --> 01:24:29.610 Yes. 01:24:29.820 --> 01:24:31.170 You know, where he's got all that, like 01:24:31.170 --> 01:24:32.850 that's what this cabin looks like. 01:24:32.850 --> 01:24:34.290 And it was so amazing when they would come 01:24:34.290 --> 01:24:35.760 in to, you know, the doctors would be 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:36.330 there or whatever. 01:24:36.330 --> 01:24:38.010 And they're like, okay. 01:24:38.010 --> 01:24:39.090 It looks like you're doing a lot 01:24:39.090 --> 01:24:39.780 of work in here. 01:24:39.780 --> 01:24:42.180 As they're looking around like, crazy town. 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:44.970 I'm really got my stuff together. 01:24:44.970 --> 01:24:46.680 Like I'm just figuring everything out. 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.700 And, um, so he. 01:24:47.770 --> 01:24:49.180 You can just bring me a typewriter and a 01:24:49.180 --> 01:24:49.950 whole bunch of stamps. 01:24:50.710 --> 01:24:51.700 They got me a journal 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:54.870 book and I just started writing and, um, it 01:24:54.870 --> 01:24:55.740 was really amazing. 01:24:55.740 --> 01:24:58.410 I started venturing out nature obviously and had 01:24:58.410 --> 01:25:02.430 some incredible, magical experiences on my healing 01:25:02.430 --> 01:25:04.350 and the Arctic to that, the animals just were 01:25:04.350 --> 01:25:05.400 like, hey, we're here. 01:25:05.400 --> 01:25:07.200 Like, um, it was really neat. 01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:08.130 Wow. 01:25:08.280 --> 01:25:09.060 Really, really neat. 01:25:10.095 --> 01:25:13.455 Well, Nikki, thank you very much for being on 01:25:13.455 --> 01:25:14.655 this Silvercore Podcast. 01:25:14.655 --> 01:25:16.635 I really appreciate you coming out here talking. 01:25:17.135 --> 01:25:18.225 It's been really fun. 01:25:18.225 --> 01:25:21.345 I've been looking forward to this for a long time. 01:25:21.385 --> 01:25:31.425 Thank you so much for having me.