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Coming to you from crash studios
in Music City, USA. Nashville.

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This is the rich Redmond show

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what's a boat? Yep, your watch
is correct rifle is correct.

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It's time for another exciting
episode of the rich Redmond show

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where we talk about all things
music, motivation and success.

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These things drive us informs us
and inspires us. And just

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whatever happens, these are fun,
free flowing conversations. Long

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overdue. So excited about my
guest today. Today's guest is an

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American rock drummer, breast
cancer survivor and founder of

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breast cancer can stick it. It's
a foundation of 501 C three

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nonprofit and since 2010 April
in this organization have raised

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over $600,000 for the fight
against breast cancer. She's

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also the author of a brand new
book breast cancer can stick it

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I'm talking about my friend my
guest, April Samuels, what's up

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April. What's up, man? Thank you
so much for that incredible

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introduction. Well, it's a bleed
some timpani rollin.

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Live from Dallas, Texas in
Nashville. Where are you in the

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I love Dallas? I'm yeah, I
really do. Where are you in?

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What's your borough? I'm on the
north side of Dallas. And I

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actually grew up in Plano. So
that's kind of, you know, the

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area that I'm located north of
Dallas Plano was kind of like

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the Beverly Hills for a while
and now it's Frisco, right? Yep,

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totally 100% Now and then
tonight is the ACM Awards in

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Dallas, and I'm usually there
but my band said we don't need

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you. We don't want drums on this
song.

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We've got a banjo. We don't need
drums. But anyways, I won't be

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there tonight. They're they're
doing a special performance. But

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you'll have to watch the show

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to see what's going on. But how
about this book? I was asking

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you off camera. This is a thick
book. It's not a paperback. This

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is a real hardback coffee table
book, which means the publisher

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absolutely loves you absolutely
believes in you. What's

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happening? Are you getting
preferential treatment at

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restaurants? Not yet, man. Not
yet. I'm sure it'll come soon.

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Right? Yes, sell me. So so we,
we had a an event a couple weeks

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back, it was like a pre launch
event to kind of celebrate the

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book and some early investors
and some people that were

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special and along the way, and
then you had an official. Couple

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days later, you had an official
launch party. So tell us about

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both those things. Man, the VIP
release was at the sanctuary in

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McKinney, Texas. So incredible
having all those folks that

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supported the Kickstarter, the
Kickstarter raise $15,000. So it

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actually met and exceeded the
goal to be able to release the

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book. So that was awesome back
in January. So those top

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investors like you were saying,
were invited to this VIP party

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at an intimate event where we
had people read from the book,

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we had Dr. Joyce O'Shaughnessy,
there who's like a expert in the

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field of breast oncology. And it
was just a really cool, intimate

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event. And we had you there
because you're super cool. And

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then we had John Kelly from y
riot Danzig, typo negative

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Laurie Peters from skillet, and
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And so it was just really cool
to have everybody there

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supporting and celebrating that
moment, like a week before the

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actual release. So it was a
really blessed event. Your dad

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was there. He's Yeah, he's
awesome. My dad has a great as

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I'm super blessed with amazing
parents and my dad is the best.

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He actually wrote one of the
letters in the front of the book

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too. So he he got up and read
some of that. But then a week

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later, we did this big show over
at Lava Keynesian and they call

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it and we had my band that
breast cancer can seek a band my

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other band Roble yo, which is a
tribute to Billy Idol. And then

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just like pink, which is a
tribute to pink, who I play. I'm

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like their tour drummer, as they
call it. So anytime they play

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out of state, I play with just
like peek. And so yeah, it was a

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busy night Mark Schulman was
there from Peak also from Billy

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Idol. I wrote the foreword. And
he wrote the foreword. Totally

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cool. And we had a fabulous
turnout just feel so so grateful

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and blessed to have had such a
wonderful turnout and sell a lot

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of books too. Well, you know,
and you took a tragedy and you

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turned into into triumph.

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Share with us a little bit. I
had the specific date here when

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you were diagnosed, but you
could probably do a better job

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than me. Oh, yeah. That's one of
those things you'd never forget.

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Right? Yeah, it was nine o'clock
a Tuesday morning. It was

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October the 26th 2010. And my
phone ring. Actually, I'll put

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it to you this way. The day
before that my phone rang and I

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had had two biopsies done. One
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coordinated biopsy. If you're
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difference, aspirations are
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cyst of some kind. And then a
coordinator

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Little biopsy is more for
something solid. So, the day

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before I was diagnosed, I got
the call from the doctor and

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they were like, Hey, we got your
results back. Everything's

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great. I'm like, oh, cool,
awesome. So both the biopsies

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are good. And she's like, Oh,
no, this is just the aspiration.

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And I was like, Oh, my God.
Okay, you know, but to be

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honest, I wasn't that worried
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biopsies and aspirations in the
past, and everything turned out

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fine. But still, it was a little
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anxious. So then the next
morning, the actual doctor

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called me. And I remember that
he said, You have triple

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negative breast cancer is high
grade. He said, be sure you get

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on some reputable websites and
learn a little bit about it and

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want you to come in so we could
talk about it some more. And he

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said other stuff, but like I
always say he, his voice kind of

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morphed into like Charlie
Brown's teacher. Yeah, it was

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just like it was. Well, I just,
yeah, I was going on, because I

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was like, what, you know, a
diagnosis like that. It's really

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hard to describe what that feels
like. Because, I mean, you

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literally think you're gonna
die. And you feel like it's

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soon, you know? Yeah, very
scary. But you, you, you

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navigated this. And it's all in
the book. I mean, some people

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get a little surfacey on their
business. Look at how thick this

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book this is. This is warts and
all, almost like a,

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like a day by day approach.
Yeah, it really was. Yeah,

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that's, that's exactly what it
was. Man is it's like I was

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doing blogs and stuff. During
like, immediately after I was

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diagnosed, it was kind of ended
up being really therapeutic to

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write down my feelings and
thoughts. Just about every day

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after I was diagnosed. And what
happened was, like, all these

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people just started saying, You
should turn this into a book.

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And like, I'd never thought of
that. Like, I just never thought

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of that. A million years. I
didn't really ever read that

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much. I was just like, I was
like, Yeah, whatever, whatever.

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But it happened so much that it
got to a point where I was like,

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I feel like I can't ignore this.
This is a sign this is something

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that I'm supposed to do. And
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10 years 1214 Whatever. It's
it's a long process.

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And, and you've been a little
bit busy because you're playing

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drums in a million bands. Yeah.

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You've had booking agencies, you
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agency, you're you know, you're
doing all this double, double,

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triple duty playing in this very
robust music scene that is

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Dallas. We I love the music
scene there. And you have this

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awesome more organization, this
nonprofit, and each year to

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raise money for research. You
have the drum Athan, and your

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this year is your 10th. And
let's just plug it here. I have

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it here somewhere it's going to
be here the best man is going to

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be at the colony in North Dallas
when October 20. This year 12pm

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to 7pm. And there's going to be
celebrity Rockstar drummers live

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musical guests, family and
friends. There might be some

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food giveaways. Everybody gets
to play the drums. And the money

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is that's being raised as Oh,
for an amazing cause. That's

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October 20. Saturday, right?
Sunday is a Sunday, Sunday,

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October the 20th. This year 12pm
to 7pm at the Grand scape. Is

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that like a venue or is an
outdoor venue? It's an outdoor

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venue. It's like an
entertainment district. Lots of

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shops and restaurants and
things. They've got a big lawn

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giant stage with a huge LED
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drum Athan every year. Where was
the very first one? You know, I

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don't know if you knew this. The
first drove Athan we ever had

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was in a small town. It's kind
of sandwiched between Allen

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McKinney and Lucas. And it's
called Fairview, Texas. And they

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have this like outdoor mall and
they had a stage on the

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backside. And I was like, let's
have it there. And so read

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through it there. And man, I'm
telling you what you learn

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everything you need to know,
after you have the first event.

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Like you learned it all. It's
like falling down the stairs.

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And then as soon as you're done
with that, it's great. From that

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point forward. Like we learned
all of our, you know, had all of

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our mistakes and everything. But
you know, we had Carmen appease

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vide, Appa see, and that star
that first year and Dickens

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Shinder from drum talk TV
actually came down and emceed

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the event. And I mean, it was a
great start. We raised $13,000

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That first year. I mean, we'd
never done it before. So I was

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pretty proud of how that turned
out. But then when you came was

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the second year. It was 2016 and
that was at Clyde Warren Park in

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downtown Dallas, and it was you
carpeted piece, Mark Schulman

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and mesaar. And it was like
eight years ago. How is there?

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No, I don't know, man. Almost
sent me to talk about that part.

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And then COVID just ate two
years of our lives there. But

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yeah, I mean, the celebrity
drummers that stopped by it's

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insane over the years, you've
had Aaron spears, you've had

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Chad Gracie from live. Kathy
rich buddies. Daughter Gina

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shock from the gogos the
bissonnet from David Lee Roth

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Hannah Welton from Prince, you
got the Johnny Kelly. We love

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him Keo from big and rich, our
bow Laurie Peters Nate Morton

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from the voice. Ricky rocket. I
mean, you got a deep Rolodex.

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I love it that you when you when
you could get to a certain point

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in your life, where you could
send crazy memes to some of your

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childhood heroes. Right? Right.
I mean when I got to introduce

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Carmine, Carmine,

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and APA see Vinny Appice. See,
Carmine. Carmine if please.

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When I get to introduce Carmen
and the microphone, I was like,

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Oh, my God, this is crazy. I'm
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heroes. And we're right just
sitting here breaking bread, and

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it's for an amazing cause we all
get to play. Now, what the

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format of drum Athan is very
unique. It's like a fundraiser.

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So people go almost like it's
almost they can go door to door

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to raise money if they want. And
then whoever raises

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sizable amounts of money gets to
get up and jam with the

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celebrity drummers. Yeah, it's
actually. So I've never really

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told you how it came to be. It's
pretty crazy. So there's a

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friend of mine who also grew up
in Plano. And they had a drum

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Athan in the 80s. And so what
they would do is literally, like

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you said, go door to door and
ask people to sponsor them. But

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then they would play like a
really long amount of time. So

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each person they had just a few
drummers that would play like an

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hour or two straight, just fly
over and over. And I was like,

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that sounds awful. You know,
that sounds I'm a drummer. And

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that sounds awful. Right? So you
flipped it on its head and said,

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you have less board drummers
less time. So that's exactly how

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we did it. And so essentially,
what happens is the top 25

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fundraising drummers get to play
a one minute solo on the stage.

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And then they get half price on
the player with celebrity

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opportunities. So throughout the
show, there's 30 minutes windows

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of time where each celebrity
will play like a solo or some

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music. And then after that
people can get in line and pay

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to get up on a second drum set
and jam alongside you

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celebrities. And is this a
really unique event. And I got

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the idea of that, because I went
to rock and roll fantasy camp,

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right after I finished treatment
in 2011. And I was like, this is

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like the coolest thing. You pay
money and you get to jam with

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these rock stars. Right. And I
was like, you know, drummers

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aren't really out in the
forefront enough. And being a

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drummer myself and tying it all
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important to me, you know? Yeah,
yeah. No, it's an amazing

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format. And now after

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two and a half presidencies, you
got a decade in time, there it

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is. The format is locked in.
It's growing in popularity. And

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I can imagine it does take a
village, you've got committees,

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subcommittees, there's 300
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volunteer their time.

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How does it How does it work?
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planning that one day? Oh, my
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take two months off a year from
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December. Yep, that's right. We
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in January. We usually start out
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like once a month. Right now
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week. And then as we get closer,
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like you said, you know, we
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we had like, one board and three
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committees and two boards. And
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a half. So we're really growing
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more support from folks and
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out, like you said, you know,
we're 99% volunteer, we pay one

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volunteer coordinator, like 15
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making sure that the bulk of the
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that we support, which are
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and financial assistance for
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yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's
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know, like you've every year or
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crazy. It's incredible. And
thank God you do it. I mean, so

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many people in my life or, you
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survived breast cancers, breast
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know, she's hearty stock, man,
she, she beat that thing, and

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ran the New York City Marathon.
You beat that thing. You went to

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the Rock Roll fantasy camp, you
started a nonprofit, you play in

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a million bands, no one's gonna.

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There's no more. There's no moss
growing on you. You're moving

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that ball down the field every
day and you always have a big

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smile on your face. And you can
always judge a person by their

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friends and you have some
amazing friends in the industry.

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And the book is fantastic.
Everybody needs to get it. It's

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a powerful read. There it is.
Breast breast cancer can stick

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it and you can get it on Amazon
right from Jeff Bezos. That's

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The best best place to get it
you can get it off of Amazon

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Barnes and noble.com also has it
or you can go to breast cancer

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can stick it.com and check it
out there too. And then you have

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your.com Right April Samuels,
Doc? Yes. Yes. I love it. And it

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seems to me that you're, you're
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some nice appearances coming up?
You're hitting the Music City

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drum show in Nashville you're
going to do in summer. You're

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doing summer NAMM or I'm not
doing summer now. But we are

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doing Music City drum show there
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We'll be doing Winter NAMM and
January. But yeah, I mean, I

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have a lot of travel coming up
through just like pink the band

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and mentioned earlier. We're
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Arizona, Ohio, Illinois,
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be Washington and Kentucky. And
so I'm actually going to be

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piggybacking a lot of like book
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way. Because I'm like, hey, I'll
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pile it on. And I know you're
familiar with that concept. Oh

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my god, it's so easy because you
could tell the person Hey, look

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at I'm already here. Right?
Right. You don't even have to

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cover that. I'm here. I'm here.
I am here. Exactly. Exactly.

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That is great.

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Now what is the lynch you have
like a lit metal shop? So metal

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shop is you kind of hang your
hat on that you've been in that

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for a long time. Is that a
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metal? It is? Yeah, metal sounds
perfect world so you deal with

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my friends in Los Angeles. Yeah,
Roger is the guy Jamie's part of

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the part of the crew too, but
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a metal shop. And as you know,
there's a few metal shops across

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the country and we're the Dallas
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Louisiana metal shop and yeah,
I've been with them for 12 years

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now. Yeah. It's just it's just
working and those guys are

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really brilliant to do it
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the impetus that inspired the
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yeah, yes the guys in Steel
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shop. And then they split off
and form still Panther. Exactly

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right. But it's the same
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the guyliner the whole nine
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and your characters crash gourd
crash Gordon. Yes. I love it. So

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perfect. World Entertainment
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asthmatics, and there's probably
like 15 spasm addicts around the

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country. And I helped start the
one here in Nashville. I did it

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for maybe two years was fun
because I got to play roto toms

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and stuff and I had my little
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the third with the taped glasses
in the high waters and

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everything. Yeah, it was really,
really fun. It's a brilliant

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thing because people just, you
know a lot of a lot of live

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music events. People just want
to have fun. They want to

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reminisce, they want to go down
memory lane. And if you're

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playing Whitesnake, Guns and
Roses, and you have your tongue

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in your cheek a little bit,
you're like, wink, wink, wink.

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It's a fun time. Oh, it's a
blast, man, I have such a good

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time. I feel so fortunate to
have landed that gig 12 years

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ago. I mean, it's, it's
everything really I ever wanted.

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I just I love to play I want to
play as much as I can. I like to

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travel. All of it's cool. And
the guys in the band were super

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close. You know, it's we have
great chemistry. We got this we

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had a different guitar player
when I started. And a guitar

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player we have now came on a
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So we've all been together now
for 11 years in this in this

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lineup so we're very happy and
we have a good time we did the

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Billy Idol after party on
Tuesday night up at the Hard

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Rock Casino in Tulsa. And you
know just fun stuff like that.

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It's the band stop by miracle
Dennis and those guys. I did

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talk to him but he wasn't able
to stop my so yeah, you know,

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it's pretty, pretty cool. You
know, get to see people last

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time we did it. Winger was up
there and Rod came by and you

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know, watch this play a little
bit. It's kind of weird because

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you can appreciate this. That
venue requires that you play

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their backline electronic kit. I
know it's rough man. But you

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know, I was really shocked at
how well it sounded out front

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and even rod complimented that
so that was a big deal. Because

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you know, you always are like, I
don't know, man. But yeah, it's

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very different, but it's still a
lot of fun. I really don't care.

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You could put some pillows out
or you know, some trash cans or

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something. I'd have a great
time. You know, ya know, the

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thing about electronic drums is
they they and it's all the rage

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now in Nashville because we have
these big corporate honky tonks

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like Loretta Lynn's Honky Tonk,
anally J's now ainz In every all

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this country stars have their
branded corporate three level

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honky tonks and on a lot of
them, there's a rolling drum

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set. And I'm like, Ah, god, man,
so I guess a gig like yours. You

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just go through the settings you
look for the you look for the

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metal patch or the they actually
are like, this is what you're

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gonna use and it's it's set

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And the weird part is I have to
be like okay, dude, I need a I

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need a cowbell though you know
gotta play some rock of ages and

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some guns and roses, so I need a
cowbell. So then they have the

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cowbell on the rim of the forks
hub. So inevitably, you're gonna

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Paco, Paco, ah. You know, you're
like, oh, yeah, you hit the rim.

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Yeah, you're like, ah, but like
I said, you know, I'm weird. I

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kind of I kind of love doing
different things. Like if I play

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on a, you know, a backline kit
that's like a buddies or

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something. It's fun for me. It's
just like, I don't know. I love

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all of it's a challenge. Yeah,
yeah, it gives you something

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else to think about. You're
like, oh, I only have two

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symbols. I normally have you
know, four crashes or whatever

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it is. And yeah.

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Chambers. This is the CB 700
drum set from 1976. To make it

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happen. Don't knock that man. It
was my first kit for CB 700.

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Yeah, absolutely. You know what?
I bet some of that stuff sounds

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kind of quirky and fun. If you
can get your hands on it.

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Really? Oh, yeah. No, that was
actually yeah, the first kid I

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ever had. It's pretty funny. So
your parents very, very

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supportive. I could just tell
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And just such sweet people

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will take us back

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to your drumming evolution. When
did you start? Did you study

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with someone? What What was that
all about? Who are your biggest

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influences? Yeah, yeah. So it
started out. I had a best friend

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of mine, her brother, her older
brother had a drum set. It was a

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silver CB 700 drum set,
actually. And then my cousin

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also had a drum set. So I was
super young. I was like five

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years old. And I was exposed to
drums in these two places. And

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you know, of course, they
wouldn't let me play them,

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right? No, you can't play them.
And so it made me just really

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want to play into them more. My
brother was taking guitar

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lessons at the time at a small
music store that's still

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actually here in Plano called
Music Manor. And we went in

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there mom and I and my brothers
in his lesson. And I found a

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pair of drumsticks and I just
pulled up my mom's dress. I'm

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like, Mom, please buy me these
drumsticks you know, and she

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bought them for me. And I just
was begging them for some kind

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of drum set forever. They
finally got me like a toy, you

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know, paper sear drum set when I
was about eight. And then at 11

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years old when I was still, you
know, please, I want to play

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drums. They put me in drum
lessons. So drum set lessons at

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that same store. At the time, I
was taking lessons from Warren

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white. He was with the
escapades. Yeah. Wow. And why

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Yeah, he used to have like a
very popular Steel Drum Band in

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Dallas. That worked a lot. Yeah,
he's a great guy. And, you know,

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got me started, like, right into
just like songs. You know, we

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didn't do a lot of rudiments and
stuff. I mean, we had the stick

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control book, but we were kind
of just working off the first

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couple of pages, and really just
jumping into learning music. And

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I remember him having me write
out the music for my kind of

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letter by Billy Squier. They're
like how to write out the whole

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thing and bring it in and like,
here's my homework, you know,

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and, and so that was pretty
cool. And I took from him for a

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while. Then I started taking it
from a guy named John Mitchell.

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And then I took from a woman for
a short period of time, but then

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I just kind of broke out and I
was like, I want a gig, you

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know, and so, started gigging
out when I was about 19. And I

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didn't really go back to any
lessons, or I didn't have any

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further formal training. Like, I
didn't do drums in school. It's

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so weird. Like, for whatever
reason, I didn't think that was

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cool. But I played trumpet in
school, like figure that one out

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for me because I don't you play
trumpet, but the drums are right

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there. You're like, well, you
don't. Bissonnette played the

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trumpet. You know, it's good for
you. Because to play a melodic

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instrument and see the note
notes on the staff, you know,

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yeah, yeah, I was played
trumpet. And then I switched to

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French horn. And I was like,
first chair, French horn,

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whatever. I remember the
teachers were always like, you

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know, hey, we want you to play
drums. You know, we know your

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drummer, we need to play drums
and I was just like, No, man,

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this is not. I don't know why
you didn't want to be. We want

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to be going but Bum Bum, bum bum
you want to go? Oh, yeah, I

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mean, for real. I did and, and
so I just never did it. I

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remember when I was in high
school, like junior and senior

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high school, seeing friends that
were like a drumline and

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thinking man, you know, I wish I
would have kind of taken that

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path a little bit because that
that looked like a lot of fun.

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But but I didn't. And I did go
to North Texas for two and a

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half years. Got into the music
program there. Which to be

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honest, yeah. Which to be
honest, was crazy, because I

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mean, I just didn't have the
schooling that everybody else

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did. So I was just around like
1989 or so. Yeah, I think my

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first year I started the fall of
88 or 8787. Wow. Yeah. And so I

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went two and a half years there
and unfortunately, you know, as

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a lot of people fall

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into and musicians and clubs and
stuff like that I, I got really

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into alcohol. And so I was
drinking an awful lot. And it

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was just no making things not
really possible. I wasn't able

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to keep up with school, and all
that stuff. And fortunately, I

422
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:18,420
dropped out of school. And a few
years later, I quit drinking.

423
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:25,680
I've been sober now since, Gosh,
9192 92. Yeah, so so you have

424
00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:31,050
like a three year run of like,
Leaving Las Vegas and like the

425
00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:35,700
film and you're like, This is
not sustainable. Yeah, some

426
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:40,500
somewhere in the family, there
was a gene, you're not wrong.

427
00:25:40,530 --> 00:25:42,690
It's weird that you said that. I
can't even believe you said it.

428
00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:45,930
But yeah, my dad's side of the
family, they have

429
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:49,740
trouble with alcohol. My dad
doesn't, but like his dad and

430
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:52,860
other people on that side of the
family. And he even told me, you

431
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:55,110
know, when I started drinking,
he was like, You need to be

432
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:57,690
careful. You know, in our
family, there's a lot of

433
00:25:57,690 --> 00:26:01,890
alcoholics, you know, and I
just, I don't know, I just

434
00:26:01,890 --> 00:26:05,490
really fell hard into it went
through some, you know, really

435
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:09,900
rough times and kind of hit
bottom and realize that, that I

436
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,290
just wasn't a person who could
drink. And so I had, I had a

437
00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:15,750
soft drink. And and, you know,
it's hard because being a

438
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:18,870
musician, you know, you're
exposed to it all the time. You

439
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:21,390
know, you can't, you can't stop
drumming. You got to play the

440
00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:24,720
clubs, and you're gonna be
around alcohol. So I remember I

441
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,010
quit drinking on December 27.
And I kept my New Year's Eve

442
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:33,390
plans. And all my friends were
partying, and I just didn't. And

443
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:35,610
I was like this, I gotta get
used to this. I just gotta get

444
00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:38,250
used. So you prove to yourself
that you could do the first New

445
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:43,470
Year's Eve like that. And then
of course, the it's one day at a

446
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:47,910
time. Yeah, yeah, it's so now
you're looking back?

447
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,120
What was it is 30 years? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, it's 32 years. Yeah.

448
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,860
So does it ever get challenging,
or you're at a point where just

449
00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:03,060
like, hey, man, we're, we're got
some time in the trenches, this

450
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,290
is not a problem.

451
00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:06,180
Man.

452
00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:13,080
There's always that temptation
that I'm aware of,

453
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:18,150
you know, especially if you're
going through really difficult

454
00:27:18,150 --> 00:27:20,070
times, you know,

455
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:26,190
any kind of depression or loss
or whatever. It pops up, you

456
00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:29,520
know, it's just like, Man, I
could just go get drunk and lay

457
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,290
in a corner somewhere, you know,
not.

458
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:36,210
And so when that happens, do you
call a trusted friend? Do you go

459
00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:40,380
to a meeting? What do you do?
You know, I'm not stereotypical.

460
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,480
In this regard at all. I totally
support all that stuff. It just,

461
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:50,100
it's just not the route I took.
You know, the program? No, I

462
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,850
didn't do the program. Well,
yeah. I just, I just made a

463
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:58,200
commitment to myself and God and
said, you know, this is, I

464
00:27:58,230 --> 00:28:01,380
really honestly wish I was just
like, if I drink again, it means

465
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,830
I don't want to live. That's
what I told myself. Yeah. And I

466
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:08,310
know, I want to live and so as
long as I've got that going for

467
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:12,090
me, you know, I'm good to go.
And I don't see that ever

468
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,820
changing. You know, I feel
confident in it. But, you know,

469
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:18,600
it does suck to still have that.
You know, it's like God, man, 32

470
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,230
years later, and I can still
remember what Corona and tequila

471
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:25,110
tastes like, like I can, like, I
could taste it. Like I can

472
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:28,110
remember, you know, like, ah,
was that that was your

473
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:31,350
combination. Corona. Yeah. Yeah,
I don't know why, but it was

474
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:33,900
either. You know, I was either a
night with Corona or and I was

475
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:36,690
killing and killing anything.
Like, it didn't matter if

476
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,900
anything, were to kill it. And
it's funny, because, you know, I

477
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,510
didn't really realize I had a
problem. And then, in

478
00:28:42,510 --> 00:28:45,120
retrospect, my my friends were
like, Yeah, you were always

479
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,060
drinking, and we weren't. And I
was like, You mean, you guys

480
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,220
weren't drinking when we were
just running to the mall? You

481
00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:53,250
know? Like, I would drink on the
way to the mall? Like, what the

482
00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:59,700
hell is it that no, crazy. Wow.
But But you did it a bit. You

483
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:01,860
did it and you're doing it. Now
a lot of people in that

484
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:04,500
situation, they will replace
something for another? Did you

485
00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:09,000
dive headfirst into more drums
or more exercise or to

486
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,900
cigarettes or any? Did you
replace it with something? I did

487
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:16,110
smoke, I quit smoking. At the
same time. I quit drinking for a

488
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:19,920
little while. And then I picked
up smoking again. I quit smoking

489
00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:24,180
probably seven years after I
quit drinking. And then man, I'm

490
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:28,620
just full on caffeine. philon I
mean, Starbucks. It's like it's

491
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:31,860
so weird. Because you know, it's
caffeine. So it's not the same.

492
00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:34,590
You know, obviously the same
thing is like drinking, but like

493
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:39,030
when I'm really stressed, I want
a shot of espresso. It's shot.

494
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:42,150
You know what I'm saying? So
it's Yeah. So like, I'll get

495
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:46,950
like really stressed or, you
know, bummed whatever it is some

496
00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:50,040
extreme emotion. And I'll be
like, I'm going to Starbucks.

497
00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:53,220
Gotta get me you know, a double
shot, you know, whatever. Yeah.

498
00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:58,440
But yeah, it's actually a really
bad and expensive habit. To have

499
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,970
a coffee never killed anybody,
isn't it?

500
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
You're not gonna get behind the
wheel and go, like, Yeah, that's

501
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,610
right. Yeah. And I can make
hopefully not going to make bad

502
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:07,410
decisions when I'm all like
wired up. Or

503
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:13,440
maybe I do I take on too much.
What's the one thing you've just

504
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,130
overcome so much. I mean, that's
it's incredible. You turn

505
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:20,040
tragedy into triumph. And so
you're, you're getting good at

506
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160
the drums, you're studying the
drums a little bit, you get over

507
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,090
that hurdle. You're in your
early 20s. And we're really

508
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:29,940
playing like Deep Ellum that
you're playing trees, data,

509
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:32,460
original bands, all that kind of
stuff. All that stuff on the

510
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:36,270
rocks at a basement, Dallas city
limits smoking days rock room,

511
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:39,840
there's a rock garden. Just
yeah, Dotto. We did that there

512
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,200
was so many venues, I can't
remember them all right now. But

513
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,750
yeah, I played de Belem,
probably through maybe 2002, or

514
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:53,190
something like that kind of when
there was a shift, you know, and

515
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:57,780
then I actually got into an all
girl band for a short period of

516
00:30:57,780 --> 00:31:01,920
time, called Baby J and Hudson,
and we were together like 2000,

517
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,030
to 2004. And that was very
different. Because, honestly, my

518
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:09,450
whole career I've always played
with guys, just, that's just how

519
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:13,050
it's worked out. And I do need
to give a shout out to the guys

520
00:31:13,050 --> 00:31:15,840
that I've played with, because,
you know, there could be

521
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:19,650
stereotypes around female
drummers or female musicians or

522
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:23,820
whatever, and nobody that I've
ever played with ever even

523
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:26,730
considered that an issue like,
they'd never looked at that and

524
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:29,970
thought, Oh, we don't want to
check drummer or, or she's not

525
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:32,340
gonna be good, because she's a
girl or whatever it is that they

526
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:35,790
think, you know, I feel like I
was afforded all the same

527
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,570
opportunities as anybody else.
In some cases more because I

528
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:43,830
think people looked at it, you
know, kind of, like a, like a,

529
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:46,260
like a cool little thing, you
know, for their band. Hey, we've

530
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:49,800
got a chick drummer, you know.
So that was really cool. But

531
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,950
anyway, so yeah, I was an all
girl band, and we were doing all

532
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:55,920
original music. And to be
honest, I was doing original

533
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,740
music from the beginning of my
career 88 till probably about

534
00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:07,680
2012 or so maybe. And that's
when I switched over into cover

535
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,700
music. So, but yeah, and that
pays the bills, a little cover

536
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:16,050
music pays man, you know, does,
you could do it until you drop.

537
00:32:17,730 --> 00:32:19,560
I got no problem with that.
Well, that's interesting,

538
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,810
because I was going to ask you,
I'm not going to be all like

539
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:24,630
James Brown's like, it's a man's
but I'm not gonna be like, it's

540
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:28,800
a man's world. Yeah, but it's a
it's a very male dominated

541
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,780
industry. Usually the female in
the band is singing. That's

542
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:37,080
right. Yeah, that's right. But
you feel like it was pretty,

543
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:42,150
pretty smooth road. Everybody
that Yeah, yeah. I mean, for for

544
00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:46,650
me with other peers. Now, like,
if I show up to a gig, I can't

545
00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:49,200
tell you how many times I show
up to gig dragon drums and

546
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,820
they're like, Oh, that's so
sweet. You're helping your

547
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:54,420
boyfriend. I'm like, Oh, man.
I'm gonna give you black guy,

548
00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:57,780
you know, these are my drums.
Yeah. Or like, just the other

549
00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:00,630
night. Somebody walked up, and
they were like, Oh, are you guys

550
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:02,760
in the band? And me and my
singer. They were like, again,

551
00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:04,890
they're like, Oh, what do you
do? And he's like, I'm the

552
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:06,750
singer. And they're like, Oh,
well, what do you do? And I was

553
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:08,850
like, I'm the drummer. They're
like, Oh, my God, like, they

554
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,070
just freak out. Because that's
not what they're expecting you

555
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:14,190
right? Now, did you? Did you
look to female drummers for

556
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,770
inspiration, say the genius
shocks or the Sheila ease? Or

557
00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:17,010
the?

558
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,290
What was it?

559
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:25,770
Yeah, you know, or was it didn't
matter? It didn't matter. That's

560
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:29,700
the thing. And I think, you
know, I just, I just looked at

561
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,570
all drummers the same way. I
never, it didn't matter. any

562
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:36,330
walk of life, everybody was just
a drummer. Like, I've always

563
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:39,450
been that way about everybody.
You know, my mom always thought

564
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:43,560
that, you know, I could friend
anybody or date anybody because

565
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:47,460
like I just had, you know, I
just, I love everybody, you

566
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:52,170
know, like, and so I was really
into course, you know, is the ad

567
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:55,980
so you'll pure? So yeah, that
was my guy had his posters all

568
00:33:55,980 --> 00:34:00,180
over the wall. Yeah, that was a
big one. John Bonham,

569
00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:04,200
definitely, you know, just had
that guy's foot was awesome.

570
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:07,380
And then but you know, later
down the line. I don't know if

571
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:10,290
you knew of a band. Do you
remember a band called SR seven?

572
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,500
Those out of Austin? Yeah, they
used to play data all the time.

573
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Yeah. Patrice pike. What up? She
is, uh, yeah, rocks, man. Yeah.

574
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:24,570
So they had a drummer named Sean
Phillips. back then. And that

575
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:28,110
guy he was he's to this day, the
biggest inspiration for me

576
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:32,130
drumming wise. And you can
really tell like I was in an

577
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,470
original band called Frog knot
and then also in Baby Jane

578
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:39,000
Hudson. I kind of took that
style that Shawn had and applied

579
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,520
that to those songs. So it's
kind of more of like a form of

580
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,390
funk you know, rock groove kind
of thing. And I just thought I

581
00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:49,200
love Shawn Phillips playing and
he doesn't play anymore. Well,

582
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,260
so I was gonna say to you guys,
Are you friendly? Yeah, yeah.

583
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:54,690
Well, that's what I was gonna
say is like, you know, it's it's

584
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:57,330
so cool because with social
media, you know, people are

585
00:34:57,330 --> 00:35:00,000
accessible now. And and like,
you know,

586
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,660
We friended each other years
ago, and I say this at every

587
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:06,180
interview when I'm talking about
drumming, I talk about him. And

588
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:09,540
I was like, I should frickin
tell him, you know, how

589
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:13,620
important he was to me. Yeah, so
I messaged him and thanked him

590
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:17,880
for being such an inspiration
and actually sent him some frog,

591
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,310
not music. And he wrote back and
said, he thought it was really

592
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:23,430
great and that he could hear
his, you know, influence over

593
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:27,960
me. And I was like, Oh my God,
you know, because that's cool. I

594
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,930
remember I remember like seeing
them play sometimes I would just

595
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:34,440
be walking down Deep Ellum and
I'd get on my tippy toes and

596
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480
look through the window to see
Oh, yeah.

597
00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:41,130
Guys, so good. Like, and it's
just the thing with him is he's

598
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,570
just so solid. And you know, he
doesn't overplay. But when he

599
00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:47,880
does those little fills in
there. They're just so unique

600
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,090
and tasty. It's just I just
could listen to him every day.

601
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:53,940
Now. Why does he not play
anymore? What happened? I don't

602
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:56,490
I really don't know. I don't
know the story behind that. He's

603
00:35:56,490 --> 00:36:01,020
in corporate America now. So got
a family I know that.

604
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,300
Yeah, the other guys are still
playing a lot. They're not a

605
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,320
sister seven but Patrice pipe
with Wayne Sutton and I don't

606
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,410
think that she has the same bass
player anymore. But she's still

607
00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:16,980
out there doing some things but
it's not the same man. I need

608
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:21,870
Shawn there, you know, now is
Deep Ellum still the the the

609
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:25,530
replays for new music is
discovered as it's still the

610
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,440
hotspot to go on Friday and
Saturday nights for the

611
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,190
alternative crowd. You know, I
am so disconnected from that

612
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:36,000
anymore. We have actually played
a couple of times metal shops

613
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,670
actually played like some
private parties and stuff at

614
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:42,300
trees and been down there a few
times. But I really rarely get

615
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:46,110
down there. You know, I kind of
had like a set of shifts a while

616
00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:48,450
back and it sort of started
feeling dangerous. You know,

617
00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:50,820
like, it wasn't really safe to
be just kind of like walking

618
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:54,570
around down there. Maybe it's
better now. I don't know. But

619
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:59,280
I'm not in that scene, you know,
at all since the cover scene. I

620
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,090
mean, literally, the cover
scene, there's no venues in

621
00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:06,750
Dallas proper. Yeah, fly all
around. It's all around. It's

622
00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:10,050
like It's like Mansfield and
Fort Worth, you know, Frisco and

623
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:13,530
the colony and Lewisville and,
you know Rockwall, it's like all

624
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:16,680
around Dallas, but it's not in
Dallas. So I don't really get a

625
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,110
taste of that scene that much
anymore, which is really weird

626
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:22,950
for me, because that was
everything I was in, you know, I

627
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:26,310
meant to mention to you earlier,
because we're not original music

628
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:29,070
that I actually do still do
original music with one group

629
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:33,210
called 49th vibration. So I
mean, I'm sure you understand

630
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:36,120
this like doing your own music
and coming up with your own drum

631
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400
parts. There's just really
nothing nothing better than

632
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,170
that. I know I have on my to do
list. I want to put out a a fun

633
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,070
little Gregg Bissonette style
solo record where you know, one

634
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:50,130
thing is kind of like a blood
sweat and tears thing and the

635
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:52,560
other thing is kind of like a
fun weather report thing. And

636
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680
then there's like a king's X
thing and 12 different fun kinds

637
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,880
of tracks and no vocals all
instrumental and kind of like,

638
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:03,330
Oh, you'd call it like
approachable fusion, you know,

639
00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:06,120
like not over the top fusion
where you can't find one you

640
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,140
can't clap your hands. It's
soccer mom fusion. So I have it

641
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:14,760
on the to do list to do my you
know, just for me. You gotta

642
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,420
coined that phrase, soccer moms
usually Yeah, get shirts made.

643
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:19,620
I'll buy one that's awesome.

644
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:21,750
You know,

645
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:27,510
a band that I really loved. And
my girlfriend Kara loves it.

646
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:29,580
Also because we were in Dallas
at the same time, but we didn't

647
00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:33,660
know each other in the 90s. We
really loved the toadies. I

648
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:39,780
loved that. Just knuckle
dragging gutter rock. Yeah,

649
00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:43,020
totally. And they've got another
group going now I forget. It's a

650
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,290
couple of the members. The
female bass player from the

651
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,900
toadies is in it and I don't
know if you do this, but she's a

652
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:51,480
breast cancer survivor. Also,
she was diagnosed Yeah, just a

653
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,690
few years ago. She's doing good.
But I wish I could remember the

654
00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:58,140
band because I was playing with
another original band not too

655
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:01,650
long ago called bullet. And we
played with them. So yeah, I

656
00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:04,920
mean, just great. Great
musicianship and yeah, toadies,

657
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,670
were cool. There was so much
cool stuff back then. Billy, do

658
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:13,410
you remember them? Oh, my God, I
love with Earl Harvin and, like,

659
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,440
I think Sweden Stockholm or
something. And they you know, we

660
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,710
thought he just he just left the
United States. I was Yeah,

661
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:20,280
weird.

662
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:25,710
Amazing. Yeah. Billy Goat was a
heck it was very percussion

663
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:29,760
driven. Yeah, yeah. I told Mike
Dylan You know, yeah, yeah.

664
00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:32,430
Well, cuz he then and they had a
band called 10 Hands that was

665
00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:36,810
like very popular in the Denton
area. And I had all their CDs

666
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:41,550
and I would like to transcribe
all the girls parts. Total nerd.

667
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,370
So So what what's next I know
that you have a big vision where

668
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,020
breast cancer can stick it

669
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:53,670
in the foundation you want it to
grow and grow and grow and grow.

670
00:39:54,570 --> 00:39:58,170
And so I believe one of your
goals is to have a brick and

671
00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:59,970
mortar location and US

672
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,040
staff a paid staff? Yes. So, how
do you how do we do that? How do

673
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,920
you get there? Yeah, I mean, you
know, the thing is breast cancer

674
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,040
gets sick, it is such an amazing
business model. I mean, for us

675
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,660
to raise $600,000, without any
staff is just, I mean, it's

676
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:18,960
crazy. And if you think about
Thank you, if you think about,

677
00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:24,750
you know, if we had people doing
this 24/7, you know, 20 475 days

678
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:25,830
a week, you know,

679
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:31,140
five, yeah, 40 hours a week and
everything like that. Even three

680
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:35,340
people, rich, I can't even
imagine what kind of an impact

681
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:38,700
we can make. I mean, we would
easily, you know, double triple

682
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:42,330
our numbers, I mean, it's just,
you know, we could have such a

683
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:45,300
bigger impact, I know that, you
know, people may look at that,

684
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,490
like, hey, you know, less
overhead and blah, blah, blah,

685
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:49,800
but, you know, it's kind of
almost like an investment, it's

686
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,190
like, we get more staff members,
we're able to raise even more

687
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:56,070
money and have even a bigger
impact. And that's really what I

688
00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:59,820
want, you know, I want, you
know, breast cancer to be a

689
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:03,450
thing of the past, you know, I
want to save more lives. And,

690
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,380
you know, we're having an impact
today, just through what we're

691
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:10,350
doing. And I just figure, you
know, we could have an even

692
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:13,230
bigger impact. And so what we're
looking at right now, Rich's

693
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:16,860
we're wanting to get grants. So
we want to get some grants to

694
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:20,730
kind of kickstart that we have
some people, as you said, within

695
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:24,270
breast cancer can stick it just
amazing people like super

696
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:30,570
talented marketing prowess, type
of people that just know exactly

697
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:34,740
what to do. And if they had the
time, it'd be nuts. And, like,

698
00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:39,180
all these people are like for
three or four ladies, on our

699
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:42,750
board, they're like, just tell
me when, you know, tell me when

700
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:45,030
we're jumping off, we're gonna
do this, and I'm there, you

701
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:46,830
know, and they got their big
jobs and everything else, but

702
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:49,470
they're, they're ready for it.
So you have to get to get

703
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:53,340
grants, like an investment,
essentially, where, you know, we

704
00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:57,000
could really smack get it for a
year or two, and just show what

705
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,080
can be done. That's really my
goal. And fortunately, I

706
00:42:01,110 --> 00:42:05,670
recently met a drummer who has a
lot of experience in grants. And

707
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:09,690
so I'm starting to work with him
to get those things lined up, we

708
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:12,660
also have a partner with
parkland, who has a lot of

709
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:16,470
connections that way, and she's
going to be helping us find, you

710
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:19,920
know, proper grants to submit
to, to apply for and things and

711
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,880
so that's really the route we're
headed down right now. But if

712
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,540
the book just like, blows up or
something, then I'll be like,

713
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,470
you know, that investor to, you
know, throw that in there. So

714
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:35,640
it's sort of like, you know,
the, you know, how it is making

715
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,210
a book explode. That's, it's
like, sharding, an album by

716
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:42,240
yourself or something you just
can't, it's it's very difficult.

717
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,380
But, you know, whatever way it
happens, I feel like, we're

718
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,520
really truly on the cusp of
something absolutely amazing.

719
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,240
And not only just, you know,
making a difference through

720
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:59,070
funding these programs, but just
bringing positivity and hope to

721
00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:01,410
people out there that are going
through, it doesn't even have to

722
00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:05,940
be breast cancer, just some kind
of challenge or despair. You

723
00:43:05,940 --> 00:43:09,300
know, just bringing that
positivity out to the world. You

724
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,330
know, that's the thing is that
you're a model for people to

725
00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:15,690
overcome. Well, thanks. So you
have a you haven't, you have a

726
00:43:15,690 --> 00:43:21,120
purpose, and you got
sidetracked? And you said,

727
00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:23,250
Enough, I will beat this and
then you get back to your

728
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:27,840
purpose. And at the same time,
you discover another purpose,

729
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:32,970
which is to help as many people
as humanly possible. What I'm in

730
00:43:32,970 --> 00:43:38,610
learning about your body and
cancer and health and prevention

731
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:43,530
and follow up exams and all that
kind of stuff. What can women do

732
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,320
to prevent this from happening
in the first place? And what can

733
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,760
they do to

734
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,070
make sure that they get it in
time? Right, right. I'm super

735
00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:58,140
glad you're asking this
question. It's like, it's almost

736
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:00,780
like, if I could feed you the
questions, you're just like, you

737
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:02,850
just know them. That's perfect,
man.

738
00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:06,900
No, because this is like really
important to me because people

739
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,020
don't recognize what they can
do. So the first thing you want

740
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:14,880
to do is know your risk. So
American Cancer Society, great

741
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,030
website, you can look up breast
cancer risk, it'll tell you the

742
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:22,740
things to know about. So as you
get older, your risk of any kind

743
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:28,200
of cancer goes up. It's one out
of every three women will get

744
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,810
some kind of cancer in their
life, one out of every two men

745
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,630
will get some kind of cancer in
her life. One out of every eight

746
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:38,760
women will get breast cancer.
And two of the things that we

747
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,310
can do to lower our risk

748
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,530
are in nobody likes them, but
less alcohol.

749
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:51,780
Alcohol damages cells. Dr.
O'Shaughnessy can go on and on

750
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:54,750
about it. I've got lots of
things up on our YouTube channel

751
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:58,530
youtube.com/breast Cancer can
stick because the it just was

752
00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:59,400
too long for them.

753
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,570
And so you can go there and
watch a lot of videos where she

754
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:06,960
goes into detail about, you
should have, you know, maximum

755
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,300
three drinks a week, and not all
at the same time. I mean, it's

756
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:14,910
that sensitive. And then the
other is exercise and nutrition,

757
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:15,300
you know,

758
00:45:16,770 --> 00:45:20,700
they're finding a direct
correlation between obesity and

759
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:25,560
cancer. And so the one thing
that I think is really cool is

760
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:29,490
Dr. O'Shaughnessy talks about
how she's, you know, tried

761
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:33,510
working with women, for example,
to help them lose weight. And

762
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:36,600
it's just really hard because a
lot of men and women get breast

763
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,690
cancer, when they're in
menopause, which slows down your

764
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,900
metabolism. And so everything's
kind of fighting against you.

765
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,390
And then if you go through
breast cancer, then you know,

766
00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:47,580
you're hired, and you're
exhausted, so you're not as

767
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,880
active. So it's just like it's
fighting against against you.

768
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:55,950
And so, she is a big proponent,
which she's not really into just

769
00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:58,560
throwing medication at things, I
need to tell you that like, when

770
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,080
I first finished treatment,
she's like, What are you on? And

771
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,030
I told her, like, when I get off
this, when I get off, there's

772
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:06,030
like, she doesn't want people on
a bunch of medication. But she

773
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:10,050
really thinks that those weight
loss shots are possibly going to

774
00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:13,650
be an answer to help reduce the
risk of breast cancer, and a lot

775
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:15,690
of women and she's going to be
doing I think you heard it when

776
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:18,720
she spoke about it. At the VIP
party, she's gonna be doing

777
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,320
some, some tests and trials to
try to prove that theory if they

778
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:25,770
start giving women the weight
loss shot, if it, you know,

779
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,460
reduces these cells that are
that are causing the problems.

780
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,030
That's interesting, because
because we were having an exempt

781
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:33,450
pick.

782
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:40,230
pandemic, not a pandemic, it's
an epidemic of ozempic in the

783
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:43,680
sense that it's kind of being
overused. And are we going to

784
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,010
really know, because you can
lose muscle mass, you could lose

785
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:51,660
bone density, and I'm fit and
I'm skinny, and I'm pretty, but

786
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:53,910
it's like, is it gonna stay that
way? And have I right?

787
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:57,510
You're probably like me, like,
you look at something like that.

788
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:59,520
And you're like, Oh, that can't
be good for you. Like, that's

789
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,530
how, that's what I thought out
of the gates. I'm like, you

790
00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:04,710
know, the easy answer is never
the best one. That's what what I

791
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:08,490
always think. But you know, to
have the sign off from Dr. O

792
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,780
means something to me, you know.
So, you know, you're right,

793
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:16,830
there's, there's still things to
learn about it. But those are

794
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:20,940
the two big things. So
nutrition, exercise and alcohol.

795
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:24,630
So I kind of put exercise and
nutrition together. low fat diet

796
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:28,470
is great. She says if you've had
breast cancer before, keeping to

797
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:33,270
a low fat diet, tried to keep to
your, your good body weight, all

798
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:37,980
that stuff is good. She said
even like a 10% weight increase

799
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,890
after you've had breast cancer
can increase your risk of breast

800
00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:44,220
cancer by like 50%. I mean, it's
like, it's crazy, how important

801
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:47,160
all that stuff is. But earlier,
I was also talking about, you

802
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,430
know, knowing your risk. And so
as women, some of the risk

803
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:52,950
factors are like I said, getting
older, if you've never had

804
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:55,830
children, I've never had
children before. I didn't know

805
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:58,380
that was a risk factor. Not that
it would have changed anything.

806
00:47:58,380 --> 00:48:02,700
But it's just good to know. You
know, if you have cancer in your

807
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,330
family, obviously, which when I
was diagnosed, I was like, Oh, I

808
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:08,640
just have this one person on my
mom's side. And these couple

809
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,670
people, my dad's I was like,
that's not really anything. But

810
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:14,580
when I did the genetic testing,
they had me do something. I

811
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:16,470
think it's called like a
genogram, where you put like

812
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:19,560
your family tree, and then you
put any anybody who had cancer,

813
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,260
you write on it. So we did all
this research and found that was

814
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,800
all this cancer on my dad's
side. And so it we're pretty

815
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,920
confident that that breast
cancer came from my my dad's

816
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,820
side, however, none of the genes
have been tested for have been

817
00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:36,990
linked back to breast cancer. So
they haven't found the gene yet

818
00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:40,260
that does that. But so genetic
testing, I'm a big proponent of

819
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:43,260
that, if you've had, if you had
any kind of cancer before

820
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:45,870
getting the genetic testing is
super important for your family.

821
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:49,680
And it gets really good thing to
do. But yeah, I mean, to me,

822
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,080
that's a pretty good toolkit.
All right. Yeah, genetic

823
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,460
testing, I, I

824
00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:57,510
that's something that I want to
put onto the to the to do list

825
00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:02,430
and perhaps the they can do full
body scans. Now. It's a weird,

826
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,190
it's like under the radar. A lot
of people don't know about it. I

827
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:09,180
don't know, if any insurance
companies really cover it, but

828
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:12,270
someone told me you can get a
full body scan, and it'll it'll

829
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,600
outlet lately. You could see
what's happening in your body.

830
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:19,980
Oh, what is this? What is it?
Yeah, might as well do? I did a

831
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:22,230
thing because, you know, gosh,
after having breast cancer, or

832
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:24,090
you know, you just kind of go
through phases where you're

833
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:26,670
like, oh, man, I just, you know,
I'm not going to oncologist

834
00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:29,400
anymore. And I'm just kind of
freaked out. I just want to kind

835
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,730
of get a clean bill of health
kind of thing. And so I went to

836
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:36,900
a company called via scan here
in Dallas, and they did like a

837
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:40,980
body scan. And then, you know,
inevitably just so you know,

838
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:45,000
like everybody has like, CES.
Almost everybody has ces of some

839
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,400
kind. But you know, there were
some that they wanted me to

840
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,130
chase down and make sure of
course, everything turned out

841
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:54,180
great. But yeah, and that wasn't
covered by insurance, but it was

842
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:58,770
It wasn't so outlandish that you
couldn't afford it either. But

843
00:49:58,770 --> 00:49:59,970
yeah, I mean, doesn't

844
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,130
It just kind of makes you want
to do that doesn't it's like I

845
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:06,660
just want to I just want to
know, you know? Yeah. Oh, man.

846
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:09,750
It's, it's yeah, definitely
empowering yourself

847
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:13,169
to either prevent or

848
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:19,080
prevent it from happening again.
Right? Yeah, yeah, I had it. I

849
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,980
had a male drum teacher and El
Paso, Texas growing up who got

850
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,540
breast cancer as it happens in
men too. So yeah, well, did you

851
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:30,720
know Peter, Chris from Kiss had
breast cancer? I did not know

852
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,780
that. Why? Yeah, he did. The
heavy metal. Have you talked to

853
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:37,110
him about it? No, I haven't.
I've talked to people in his

854
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:40,110
circle about it, but haven't
been able to get him because I

855
00:50:40,110 --> 00:50:42,180
would really love to have him at
a drum Athan, I think it would

856
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:46,170
be super fitting into habitable.
Yeah. And we have a survivor's

857
00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:49,050
group on Facebook called
survivors, rock, breast cancer

858
00:50:49,050 --> 00:50:52,860
can stick it community. And we
have a male breast cancer

859
00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:56,580
survivor in that group who's a
police officer. And so it's

860
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:59,190
really cool. I've done some
interviews with him. It's

861
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:02,970
interesting to hear their side,
of course, the likelihood of a

862
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:06,630
man getting breast cancer is
super low. But I mean, just like

863
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:09,330
everybody says, you find
anything that's not normal, you

864
00:51:09,330 --> 00:51:12,900
got to go get it checked out. I
mean, and people who are like

865
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,440
afraid to go get it checked out.
It's like, dude, trust me, you

866
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,380
should be more afraid to not get
it checked out, you know, is

867
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:21,900
profound, actually. Yep. A lot
of people don't like going to

868
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,890
the doctor and stuff. It's like,
look it just do it and just just

869
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:29,490
do it consistently. You know,
for many years, my dad would not

870
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:31,830
go to the dentist and I was
like, Dad, what are you British?

871
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:32,610
Come on here.

872
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:37,800
He finally went. And I was like,
this is much better, you know?

873
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:40,710
Yeah. You know, much, much
better. Well,

874
00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:46,650
what am I forgetting? I'm trying
to do my best Mario Lopez here.

875
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:50,130
Great Mario. Um, I guess the one
thing I'll say you were kind of

876
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:53,640
talking about, like the future
of things. And yeah, another

877
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,640
thing that like I have another
dream is, you know, we have

878
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,820
Droppeth on every year here. But
I have this Oh, you want to take

879
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:03,780
it on the road? Do I want to do
the drum Athan like summer tour

880
00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:07,500
or something like big time, man,
I really want to do that hit all

881
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:12,000
the big markets, you know, reach
all the folks and those

882
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,970
different cities and states that
are familiar with breast cancer

883
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:18,570
can stick it and, and just the,
I don't know, the

884
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,580
the hope and positivity and joy
being a part of breast cancer

885
00:52:23,580 --> 00:52:26,460
can stick it can bring to your
life. I mean, I just really want

886
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,550
to bring that to people and
awareness, of course, you know,

887
00:52:29,550 --> 00:52:32,190
fundraising, the whole package,
I mean, there's just so much

888
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,400
with breast cancer can stick it
that you can get out of it,

889
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,520
whether it's helping you to know
when to go the doctor or

890
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,130
bringing some new friends in
your life, you know, it's just

891
00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:43,560
a, it's just a really great
package that I really want to

892
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:46,740
take around too. I can see that,
hey, if there's any grant

893
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:49,110
writers out there, people who
are connected who can get

894
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:52,350
government grants, I think that
it would be a result of getting

895
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,960
the grant because you know that
the budget is going to go up,

896
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,210
but you could probably get a
skeleton crew together, like

897
00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:00,570
okay, thanks. People are gonna
fly. We need hotels, gotta have

898
00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:05,220
relationships with back backline
companies. So not many, you

899
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:07,170
know, because if you get a semi
truck,

900
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:11,610
that would be great, because you
gotta have a driver, and then

901
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:14,640
all the gear is there, but then
maybe it's more cost effective

902
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,150
to just get backline. And yeah,
we just have to get seven like

903
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:21,240
some kind of those those wraps
that you put on the makeup pink.

904
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:24,570
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's,
there's, there's definitely a

905
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:28,260
way to do it. And I can, I can
definitely see that happening.

906
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,110
No problem of obviously, there's
anything that I could do. I

907
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:35,010
mean, I'm just thrilled to be in
your orbit. I'm thrilled to know

908
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:38,670
you. I'm thrilled to know your
story. And I'm thrilled to be

909
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:42,090
part of breast cancer kids take
it from there. Thank you so

910
00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:45,870
much. And I'm sure I've told you
this before, you know, I met you

911
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:50,520
and Mark Schulman on the NAMM
floor 2013 in the Sabian booth.

912
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:54,930
And from the moment I met you
guys, I was like, I want to be

913
00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:58,170
like those guys. Like I like
like you guys are just big

914
00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:01,470
mentors. To me. It's not just
about your fantastic drumming.

915
00:54:01,710 --> 00:54:06,120
It's just about you as people
that you guys, you're not just

916
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:08,340
sitting around and just playing
drums, you're you're doing

917
00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,160
motivational speaking you're
you're releasing books, you're,

918
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:15,360
you're reaching people, and I
just thank you for being such a

919
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,420
mentor to me and for everything
you've done for breast cancer

920
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:21,660
could stick it and still do.
It's just I can't even I don't

921
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:23,550
even know how to thank you, man.
Well, I just got a bunch of

922
00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:28,890
goosebumps all over my body. And
it's really it's the, the I'm

923
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:31,110
sure the pleasure is ours. And
you know, the funny thing is, is

924
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:34,530
I'm thinking about your future.
Growing breast cancer can stick

925
00:54:34,530 --> 00:54:34,830
it

926
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:37,980
as a foundation and an event.

927
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:43,020
You're gonna speak, you're
already doing it, you know what

928
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:46,140
I mean? And now you're just now
you have a platform with this

929
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:50,160
book. It's gonna be a bestseller
on Amazon. And then you're gonna

930
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,600
start doing keynote speeches.
And what's great about doing

931
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,680
keynote speeches is

932
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,000
even if you have drumming
related

933
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,910
injuries or you get carpal
tunnel, right. As long as you

934
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:10,350
got the gift the gap, which is
what you have it, you can go in

935
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:14,430
and impact people. Yeah, yeah.
And I would love I would love to

936
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:17,010
do that I've done some speaking
engagements, haven't done them

937
00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:20,700
in a hot minute. Do some like
lunch and learns with businesses

938
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,610
around town through zoom. Got
something coming up, I think

939
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,420
possibly with a soft drink
company this year. So yeah, I

940
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:30,810
mean, I'm trying to step into
that realm. Rich. I'll be

941
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:33,690
calling you Hey, man, what do I
do? Oh, I love it. Well, yeah,

942
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:37,080
man, ya know, it's anytime. And
you know what we're talking

943
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,050
about making friends and
relationships and lifelong

944
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:43,500
friends. I got to I got to give
it up for Shawn Messick, man,

945
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:49,050
you you said hey, you know,
babysit this guy for two days.

946
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,130
And, and he did man and we
really got to know each other.

947
00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:57,420
And he's just wow, what a great
guy. Such a blessing man. He

948
00:55:57,420 --> 00:56:02,070
came in 2014 we were doing a
fundraiser in Corpus Christi

949
00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:06,090
with AJ pero from Twisted
Sister. Oh, God rest his soul

950
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:09,120
man. YEAH. Jimmy Deanna from
bullet boys and toilet cut up

951
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,760
from Tesla. And he was you came
in to help tech. So he and

952
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,610
another friend of mine, we had a
mutual friend and he brought

953
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,730
Shawn and ever since that
moment, man, Shawn and I've been

954
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:24,780
locked in. He's been a part of
breast cancer kids ticket since

955
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:28,230
that since that meeting, and
just such a such a blessing. And

956
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:32,130
just I mean, talk about
positivity and encouragement,

957
00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:36,660
like I bring. Shan Shan we're
talking about you, man. And he

958
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:39,720
heard in my little clinic that I
did over a Dallas percussion

959
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,680
that I have a love affair with
octopuses right now or octopi.

960
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:48,300
And I just think that they're
the most incredible frickin gift

961
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,040
from God creatures. They're
just,

962
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:54,390
they're undeniably special
creatures. And he bought me an

963
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:57,990
octopus shirt. Oh, that's
excellent. That's awesome. It

964
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:59,970
came in them. It was an octopus.
It's an octopus playing the

965
00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:03,570
drums, which is Oh, that's even
better has like, it's like

966
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:07,890
totally crazy. So. So usually, I
think is a good way to end this.

967
00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:11,550
We talk about the Fave Five.
What's your favorite color?

968
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:15,630
Favorite color will hot pink
now. Come on. It was perfect.

969
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:19,050
How often do you get to get that
hair colored? Every six weeks?

970
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:24,900
That's Oh my god. I color my
hair more than you do. I just

971
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,450
got this. This color today. I
won't even tell you what it

972
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:31,590
comes out. It's a coat of paint.
Oh my god. How about a favorite

973
00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:35,790
food or a dish? I love Mexican
food. Love it. Tex Mex all the

974
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:38,940
way. You're in the right city
for that? Yes, absolutely.

975
00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:41,400
That's what I actually told. I
told Sean I said, Hey, can you

976
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,060
take me to a taco Gabbana? I
like it. I know it's fast. No, I

977
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:48,690
dig it too. I like it a lot.
What about your favorite drink?

978
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,800
favorite drink is a it's a what
is it called? Now? They keep

979
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,960
changing the name of it. It's an
iced espresso. From from

980
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:01,860
Starbucks, of course. Yeah.
Kenny G loves you. Now Kenny G

981
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:05,250
owns a large portion of
Starbucks. So Oh, really? He

982
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,370
loves. He's thanking you for
your business. Now this one is

983
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:12,570
tough. This is the kind of thing
where whether it's the artist or

984
00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:16,410
the melody, or just the
drumbeat, you don't know why,

985
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:19,740
but this song just haunts you in
your life. And when it comes on

986
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:21,930
the radio, you're gonna crank it
up. What's What would be your

987
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:28,620
favorite song? Are you with me
now by 6am? Oh, Nikki six? Yeah,

988
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:33,180
yeah. And, you know, oddly,
James, Michael. He played drums

989
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:36,750
on that. He's a singer. And he
played drums on those albums,

990
00:58:36,750 --> 00:58:41,850
those early albums. And it's so
good. I just love it. I don't

991
00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:45,030
know why, but I figured that's
the song that came to my head.

992
00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:48,090
I'm gonna say it. I know. It's
one of my favorites. Well, more

993
00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:51,780
time was the title was so it's
called Are you with me? By

994
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:57,360
today? Yeah. Yeah. Big fan of
6am music. I'm always also

995
00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:01,740
feeling that way by journey as
another one so Balan. Oh, nice.

996
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,430
I love that. And then what would
be your favorite movie? Favorite

997
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:09,120
movie? Oh my gosh. I don't know.

998
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:14,670
Best in Show probably. That's
maybe airplane. I know. It's

999
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:20,490
my parents, man. I can't believe
that. Let us watch that. 1977 I

1000
00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:24,360
mean that none of this would fly
anymore. Oh, I drive. I know. I

1001
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,070
know. I know. What. It's
amazing. It's red and white.

1002
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:31,860
Looks like a big Tylenol. I
mean, there's just so many great

1003
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:35,610
quotes in that stupid movie.
It's it's, it's terrible. But I

1004
00:59:35,610 --> 00:59:38,190
mean, it's the quotes, you know,
and I love this show. Because

1005
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:40,800
what is it? It's Thanksgiving
every day, the best in show is

1006
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,830
on on Thanksgiving Day. The best
shows on after the Macy's Day

1007
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:47,970
Parade. And I am a sucker. I'm
not really. You know, I might

1008
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:50,850
get some hate mail for this. I'm
more of a cat person than I am a

1009
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:58,020
dog person because I can't walk
a dog three times a day. But I

1010
00:59:58,020 --> 01:00:00,000
can leave for a week. Right
right

1011
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,090
I just throw some food out there
and they're good to go. Yeah,

1012
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:03,870
that's crazy.

1013
01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:07,920
Well, this has been so much fun
and I think the book is great

1014
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:10,260
ladies and gentlemen the book is
called breast cancer can stick

1015
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:13,920
it you can get it at Jeff
bezos.com amazon.com the same

1016
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,320
company that will deliver your
toilet paper and everything that

1017
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,990
is so convenient. Pick up the
book. There it is. It's an

1018
01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:22,290
incredible read. I read it cover
to cover as soon as I got it's

1019
01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:26,040
very very inspiring. Breast
cancer can stick it.org April

1020
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,940
samuels.com April thank you so
much. So it's great to see you.

1021
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:32,700
Thank you so much rich for
having me and thanks again for

1022
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,220
all you do for breast cancer can
stick it man. I oh hey, maybe

1023
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:38,100
we'll see you in October I it's
a great thing. Yeah, one more

1024
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:41,130
time what is happening in
October where when in time

1025
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:45,960
drummer on October 28 12. To
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1026
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,160
Texas from Baton comm That's it.
That's April Samuels. We love

1027
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,920
her. And to all the people that
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1028
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,450
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1029
01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:58,170
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1030
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1031
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1032
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:06,750
Thanks so much. Thank you man.
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1033
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:11,580
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1034
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