Coming to you from crash studios in Music City, USA. Nashville.
This is the rich Redmond show
what's a boat? Yep, your watch is correct rifle is correct.
It's time for another exciting episode of the rich Redmond show
where we talk about all things music, motivation and success.
These things drive us informs us and inspires us. And just
whatever happens, these are fun, free flowing conversations. Long
overdue. So excited about my guest today. Today's guest is an
American rock drummer, breast cancer survivor and founder of
breast cancer can stick it. It's a foundation of 501 C three
nonprofit and since 2010 April in this organization have raised
over $600,000 for the fight against breast cancer. She's
also the author of a brand new book breast cancer can stick it
I'm talking about my friend my guest, April Samuels, what's up
April. What's up, man? Thank you so much for that incredible
introduction. Well, it's a bleed some timpani rollin.
Live from Dallas, Texas in Nashville. Where are you in the
I love Dallas? I'm yeah, I really do. Where are you in?
What's your borough? I'm on the north side of Dallas. And I
actually grew up in Plano. So that's kind of, you know, the
area that I'm located north of Dallas Plano was kind of like
the Beverly Hills for a while and now it's Frisco, right? Yep,
totally 100% Now and then tonight is the ACM Awards in
Dallas, and I'm usually there but my band said we don't need
you. We don't want drums on this song.
We've got a banjo. We don't need drums. But anyways, I won't be
there tonight. They're they're doing a special performance. But
you'll have to watch the show
to see what's going on. But how about this book? I was asking
you off camera. This is a thick book. It's not a paperback. This
is a real hardback coffee table book, which means the publisher
absolutely loves you absolutely believes in you. What's
happening? Are you getting preferential treatment at
restaurants? Not yet, man. Not yet. I'm sure it'll come soon.
Right? Yes, sell me. So so we, we had a an event a couple weeks
back, it was like a pre launch event to kind of celebrate the
book and some early investors and some people that were
special and along the way, and then you had an official. Couple
days later, you had an official launch party. So tell us about
both those things. Man, the VIP release was at the sanctuary in
McKinney, Texas. So incredible having all those folks that
supported the Kickstarter, the Kickstarter raise $15,000. So it
actually met and exceeded the goal to be able to release the
book. So that was awesome back in January. So those top
investors like you were saying, were invited to this VIP party
at an intimate event where we had people read from the book,
we had Dr. Joyce O'Shaughnessy, there who's like a expert in the
field of breast oncology. And it was just a really cool, intimate
event. And we had you there because you're super cool. And
then we had John Kelly from y riot Danzig, typo negative
Laurie Peters from skillet, and Pete Coatney, from Jack Ingram.
And so it was just really cool to have everybody there
supporting and celebrating that moment, like a week before the
actual release. So it was a really blessed event. Your dad
was there. He's Yeah, he's awesome. My dad has a great as
I'm super blessed with amazing parents and my dad is the best.
He actually wrote one of the letters in the front of the book
too. So he he got up and read some of that. But then a week
later, we did this big show over at Lava Keynesian and they call
it and we had my band that breast cancer can seek a band my
other band Roble yo, which is a tribute to Billy Idol. And then
just like pink, which is a tribute to pink, who I play. I'm
like their tour drummer, as they call it. So anytime they play
out of state, I play with just like peek. And so yeah, it was a
busy night Mark Schulman was there from Peak also from Billy
Idol. I wrote the foreword. And he wrote the foreword. Totally
cool. And we had a fabulous turnout just feel so so grateful
and blessed to have had such a wonderful turnout and sell a lot
of books too. Well, you know, and you took a tragedy and you
turned into into triumph.
Share with us a little bit. I had the specific date here when
you were diagnosed, but you could probably do a better job
than me. Oh, yeah. That's one of those things you'd never forget.
Right? Yeah, it was nine o'clock a Tuesday morning. It was
October the 26th 2010. And my phone ring. Actually, I'll put
it to you this way. The day before that my phone rang and I
had had two biopsies done. One was an aspiration and one was a
coordinated biopsy. If you're not familiar with the
difference, aspirations are usually for like a liquid filled
cyst of some kind. And then a coordinator
Little biopsy is more for something solid. So, the day
before I was diagnosed, I got the call from the doctor and
they were like, Hey, we got your results back. Everything's
great. I'm like, oh, cool, awesome. So both the biopsies
are good. And she's like, Oh, no, this is just the aspiration.
And I was like, Oh, my God. Okay, you know, but to be
honest, I wasn't that worried about it, because I'd had
biopsies and aspirations in the past, and everything turned out
fine. But still, it was a little bit, you know, maybe a little
anxious. So then the next morning, the actual doctor
called me. And I remember that he said, You have triple
negative breast cancer is high grade. He said, be sure you get
on some reputable websites and learn a little bit about it and
want you to come in so we could talk about it some more. And he
said other stuff, but like I always say he, his voice kind of
morphed into like Charlie Brown's teacher. Yeah, it was
just like it was. Well, I just, yeah, I was going on, because I
was like, what, you know, a diagnosis like that. It's really
hard to describe what that feels like. Because, I mean, you
literally think you're gonna die. And you feel like it's
soon, you know? Yeah, very scary. But you, you, you
navigated this. And it's all in the book. I mean, some people
get a little surfacey on their business. Look at how thick this
book this is. This is warts and all, almost like a,
like a day by day approach. Yeah, it really was. Yeah,
that's, that's exactly what it was. Man is it's like I was
doing blogs and stuff. During like, immediately after I was
diagnosed, it was kind of ended up being really therapeutic to
write down my feelings and thoughts. Just about every day
after I was diagnosed. And what happened was, like, all these
people just started saying, You should turn this into a book.
And like, I'd never thought of that. Like, I just never thought
of that. A million years. I didn't really ever read that
much. I was just like, I was like, Yeah, whatever, whatever.
But it happened so much that it got to a point where I was like,
I feel like I can't ignore this. This is a sign this is something
that I'm supposed to do. And yeah, it only took me you know,
10 years 1214 Whatever. It's it's a long process.
And, and you've been a little bit busy because you're playing
drums in a million bands. Yeah.
You've had booking agencies, you might still have a booking
agency, you're you know, you're doing all this double, double,
triple duty playing in this very robust music scene that is
Dallas. We I love the music scene there. And you have this
awesome more organization, this nonprofit, and each year to
raise money for research. You have the drum Athan, and your
this year is your 10th. And let's just plug it here. I have
it here somewhere it's going to be here the best man is going to
be at the colony in North Dallas when October 20. This year 12pm
to 7pm. And there's going to be celebrity Rockstar drummers live
musical guests, family and friends. There might be some
food giveaways. Everybody gets to play the drums. And the money
is that's being raised as Oh, for an amazing cause. That's
October 20. Saturday, right? Sunday is a Sunday, Sunday,
October the 20th. This year 12pm to 7pm at the Grand scape. Is
that like a venue or is an outdoor venue? It's an outdoor
venue. It's like an entertainment district. Lots of
shops and restaurants and things. They've got a big lawn
giant stage with a huge LED screen. It's a perfect home for
drum Athan every year. Where was the very first one? You know, I
don't know if you knew this. The first drove Athan we ever had
was in a small town. It's kind of sandwiched between Allen
McKinney and Lucas. And it's called Fairview, Texas. And they
have this like outdoor mall and they had a stage on the
backside. And I was like, let's have it there. And so read
through it there. And man, I'm telling you what you learn
everything you need to know, after you have the first event.
Like you learned it all. It's like falling down the stairs.
And then as soon as you're done with that, it's great. From that
point forward. Like we learned all of our, you know, had all of
our mistakes and everything. But you know, we had Carmen appease
vide, Appa see, and that star that first year and Dickens
Shinder from drum talk TV actually came down and emceed
the event. And I mean, it was a great start. We raised $13,000
That first year. I mean, we'd never done it before. So I was
pretty proud of how that turned out. But then when you came was
the second year. It was 2016 and that was at Clyde Warren Park in
downtown Dallas, and it was you carpeted piece, Mark Schulman
and mesaar. And it was like eight years ago. How is there?
No, I don't know, man. Almost sent me to talk about that part.
And then COVID just ate two years of our lives there. But
yeah, I mean, the celebrity drummers that stopped by it's
insane over the years, you've had Aaron spears, you've had
Chad Gracie from live. Kathy rich buddies. Daughter Gina
shock from the gogos the bissonnet from David Lee Roth
Hannah Welton from Prince, you got the Johnny Kelly. We love
him Keo from big and rich, our bow Laurie Peters Nate Morton
from the voice. Ricky rocket. I mean, you got a deep Rolodex.
I love it that you when you when you could get to a certain point
in your life, where you could send crazy memes to some of your
childhood heroes. Right? Right. I mean when I got to introduce
Carmine, Carmine,
and APA see Vinny Appice. See, Carmine. Carmine if please.
When I get to introduce Carmen and the microphone, I was like,
Oh, my God, this is crazy. I'm introducing one of my childhood
heroes. And we're right just sitting here breaking bread, and
it's for an amazing cause we all get to play. Now, what the
format of drum Athan is very unique. It's like a fundraiser.
So people go almost like it's almost they can go door to door
to raise money if they want. And then whoever raises
sizable amounts of money gets to get up and jam with the
celebrity drummers. Yeah, it's actually. So I've never really
told you how it came to be. It's pretty crazy. So there's a
friend of mine who also grew up in Plano. And they had a drum
Athan in the 80s. And so what they would do is literally, like
you said, go door to door and ask people to sponsor them. But
then they would play like a really long amount of time. So
each person they had just a few drummers that would play like an
hour or two straight, just fly over and over. And I was like,
that sounds awful. You know, that sounds I'm a drummer. And
that sounds awful. Right? So you flipped it on its head and said,
you have less board drummers less time. So that's exactly how
we did it. And so essentially, what happens is the top 25
fundraising drummers get to play a one minute solo on the stage.
And then they get half price on the player with celebrity
opportunities. So throughout the show, there's 30 minutes windows
of time where each celebrity will play like a solo or some
music. And then after that people can get in line and pay
to get up on a second drum set and jam alongside you
celebrities. And is this a really unique event. And I got
the idea of that, because I went to rock and roll fantasy camp,
right after I finished treatment in 2011. And I was like, this is
like the coolest thing. You pay money and you get to jam with
these rock stars. Right. And I was like, you know, drummers
aren't really out in the forefront enough. And being a
drummer myself and tying it all together. It was really
important to me, you know? Yeah, yeah. No, it's an amazing
format. And now after
two and a half presidencies, you got a decade in time, there it
is. The format is locked in. It's growing in popularity. And
I can imagine it does take a village, you've got committees,
subcommittees, there's 300 volunteers that come and go and
volunteer their time.
How does it How does it work? How much time goes into actually
planning that one day? Oh, my gosh. Well, we literally only
take two months off a year from working on drum Athan November,
December. Yep, that's right. We take that off and start back up
in January. We usually start out with our committee meetings,
like once a month. Right now we're already done every other
week. And then as we get closer, it'll be once a week. But yeah,
like you said, you know, we started out, just two years ago,
we had like, one board and three committees. And now we have 10
committees and two boards. And that's just in the last year and
a half. So we're really growing by leaps and bounds and getting
more support from folks and volunteers. And just to point
out, like you said, you know, we're 99% volunteer, we pay one
volunteer coordinator, like 15 hours, max per week. So we're
making sure that the bulk of the funds go towards the programs
that we support, which are mammograms, research and trials,
and financial assistance for breast cancer treatment. But
yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a 10 month, a year thing, you
know, like you've every year or 10 months working on it. It's
crazy. It's incredible. And thank God you do it. I mean, so
many people in my life or, you know, breast cancer, my mom
survived breast cancers, breast cancer in the 80s. And, you
know, she's hearty stock, man, she, she beat that thing, and
ran the New York City Marathon. You beat that thing. You went to
the Rock Roll fantasy camp, you started a nonprofit, you play in
a million bands, no one's gonna.
There's no more. There's no moss growing on you. You're moving
that ball down the field every day and you always have a big
smile on your face. And you can always judge a person by their
friends and you have some amazing friends in the industry.
And the book is fantastic. Everybody needs to get it. It's
a powerful read. There it is. Breast breast cancer can stick
it and you can get it on Amazon right from Jeff Bezos. That's
one
The best best place to get it you can get it off of Amazon
Barnes and noble.com also has it or you can go to breast cancer
can stick it.com and check it out there too. And then you have
your.com Right April Samuels, Doc? Yes. Yes. I love it. And it
seems to me that you're, you're on sort of a junket. Do you have
some nice appearances coming up? You're hitting the Music City
drum show in Nashville you're going to do in summer. You're
doing summer NAMM or I'm not doing summer now. But we are
doing Music City drum show there Nashville in July for sure.
We'll be doing Winter NAMM and January. But yeah, I mean, I
have a lot of travel coming up through just like pink the band
and mentioned earlier. We're going to be in Colorado,
Arizona, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana. Next year, it was gonna
be Washington and Kentucky. And so I'm actually going to be
piggybacking a lot of like book signings and appearances that
way. Because I'm like, hey, I'll be in town. You know, let's just
pile it on. And I know you're familiar with that concept. Oh
my god, it's so easy because you could tell the person Hey, look
at I'm already here. Right? Right. You don't even have to
cover that. I'm here. I'm here. I am here. Exactly. Exactly.
That is great.
Now what is the lynch you have like a lit metal shop? So metal
shop is you kind of hang your hat on that you've been in that
for a long time. Is that a perfect world entertainment band
metal? It is? Yeah, metal sounds perfect world so you deal with
my friends in Los Angeles. Yeah, Roger is the guy Jamie's part of
the part of the crew too, but Roger is our guy and he manages
a metal shop. And as you know, there's a few metal shops across
the country and we're the Dallas you know, kind of Texas Oklahoma
Louisiana metal shop and yeah, I've been with them for 12 years
now. Yeah. It's just it's just working and those guys are
really brilliant to do it because because metal shop was
the impetus that inspired the creation of Steel Panther right
yeah, yes the guys in Steel Panther were originally metal
shop. And then they split off and form still Panther. Exactly
right. But it's the same concept. The spandex the choreo
the guyliner the whole nine Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah,
and your characters crash gourd crash Gordon. Yes. I love it. So
perfect. World Entertainment also handles dispatch
asthmatics, and there's probably like 15 spasm addicts around the
country. And I helped start the one here in Nashville. I did it
for maybe two years was fun because I got to play roto toms
and stuff and I had my little character Ernest Winston Powell,
the third with the taped glasses in the high waters and
everything. Yeah, it was really, really fun. It's a brilliant
thing because people just, you know a lot of a lot of live
music events. People just want to have fun. They want to
reminisce, they want to go down memory lane. And if you're
playing Whitesnake, Guns and Roses, and you have your tongue
in your cheek a little bit, you're like, wink, wink, wink.
It's a fun time. Oh, it's a blast, man, I have such a good
time. I feel so fortunate to have landed that gig 12 years
ago. I mean, it's, it's everything really I ever wanted.
I just I love to play I want to play as much as I can. I like to
travel. All of it's cool. And the guys in the band were super
close. You know, it's we have great chemistry. We got this we
had a different guitar player when I started. And a guitar
player we have now came on a year after I got with the band.
So we've all been together now for 11 years in this in this
lineup so we're very happy and we have a good time we did the
Billy Idol after party on Tuesday night up at the Hard
Rock Casino in Tulsa. And you know just fun stuff like that.
It's the band stop by miracle Dennis and those guys. I did
talk to him but he wasn't able to stop my so yeah, you know,
it's pretty, pretty cool. You know, get to see people last
time we did it. Winger was up there and Rod came by and you
know, watch this play a little bit. It's kind of weird because
you can appreciate this. That venue requires that you play
their backline electronic kit. I know it's rough man. But you
know, I was really shocked at how well it sounded out front
and even rod complimented that so that was a big deal. Because
you know, you always are like, I don't know, man. But yeah, it's
very different, but it's still a lot of fun. I really don't care.
You could put some pillows out or you know, some trash cans or
something. I'd have a great time. You know, ya know, the
thing about electronic drums is they they and it's all the rage
now in Nashville because we have these big corporate honky tonks
like Loretta Lynn's Honky Tonk, anally J's now ainz In every all
this country stars have their branded corporate three level
honky tonks and on a lot of them, there's a rolling drum
set. And I'm like, Ah, god, man, so I guess a gig like yours. You
just go through the settings you look for the you look for the
metal patch or the they actually are like, this is what you're
gonna use and it's it's set
And the weird part is I have to be like okay, dude, I need a I
need a cowbell though you know gotta play some rock of ages and
some guns and roses, so I need a cowbell. So then they have the
cowbell on the rim of the forks hub. So inevitably, you're gonna
Paco, Paco, ah. You know, you're like, oh, yeah, you hit the rim.
Yeah, you're like, ah, but like I said, you know, I'm weird. I
kind of I kind of love doing different things. Like if I play
on a, you know, a backline kit that's like a buddies or
something. It's fun for me. It's just like, I don't know. I love
all of it's a challenge. Yeah, yeah, it gives you something
else to think about. You're like, oh, I only have two
symbols. I normally have you know, four crashes or whatever
it is. And yeah.
Chambers. This is the CB 700 drum set from 1976. To make it
happen. Don't knock that man. It was my first kit for CB 700.
Yeah, absolutely. You know what? I bet some of that stuff sounds
kind of quirky and fun. If you can get your hands on it.
Really? Oh, yeah. No, that was actually yeah, the first kid I
ever had. It's pretty funny. So your parents very, very
supportive. I could just tell ya.
And just such sweet people
will take us back
to your drumming evolution. When did you start? Did you study
with someone? What What was that all about? Who are your biggest
influences? Yeah, yeah. So it started out. I had a best friend
of mine, her brother, her older brother had a drum set. It was a
silver CB 700 drum set, actually. And then my cousin
also had a drum set. So I was super young. I was like five
years old. And I was exposed to drums in these two places. And
you know, of course, they wouldn't let me play them,
right? No, you can't play them. And so it made me just really
want to play into them more. My brother was taking guitar
lessons at the time at a small music store that's still
actually here in Plano called Music Manor. And we went in
there mom and I and my brothers in his lesson. And I found a
pair of drumsticks and I just pulled up my mom's dress. I'm
like, Mom, please buy me these drumsticks you know, and she
bought them for me. And I just was begging them for some kind
of drum set forever. They finally got me like a toy, you
know, paper sear drum set when I was about eight. And then at 11
years old when I was still, you know, please, I want to play
drums. They put me in drum lessons. So drum set lessons at
that same store. At the time, I was taking lessons from Warren
white. He was with the escapades. Yeah. Wow. And why
Yeah, he used to have like a very popular Steel Drum Band in
Dallas. That worked a lot. Yeah, he's a great guy. And, you know,
got me started, like, right into just like songs. You know, we
didn't do a lot of rudiments and stuff. I mean, we had the stick
control book, but we were kind of just working off the first
couple of pages, and really just jumping into learning music. And
I remember him having me write out the music for my kind of
letter by Billy Squier. They're like how to write out the whole
thing and bring it in and like, here's my homework, you know,
and, and so that was pretty cool. And I took from him for a
while. Then I started taking it from a guy named John Mitchell.
And then I took from a woman for a short period of time, but then
I just kind of broke out and I was like, I want a gig, you
know, and so, started gigging out when I was about 19. And I
didn't really go back to any lessons, or I didn't have any
further formal training. Like, I didn't do drums in school. It's
so weird. Like, for whatever reason, I didn't think that was
cool. But I played trumpet in school, like figure that one out
for me because I don't you play trumpet, but the drums are right
there. You're like, well, you don't. Bissonnette played the
trumpet. You know, it's good for you. Because to play a melodic
instrument and see the note notes on the staff, you know,
yeah, yeah, I was played trumpet. And then I switched to
French horn. And I was like, first chair, French horn,
whatever. I remember the teachers were always like, you
know, hey, we want you to play drums. You know, we know your
drummer, we need to play drums and I was just like, No, man,
this is not. I don't know why you didn't want to be. We want
to be going but Bum Bum, bum bum you want to go? Oh, yeah, I
mean, for real. I did and, and so I just never did it. I
remember when I was in high school, like junior and senior
high school, seeing friends that were like a drumline and
thinking man, you know, I wish I would have kind of taken that
path a little bit because that that looked like a lot of fun.
But but I didn't. And I did go to North Texas for two and a
half years. Got into the music program there. Which to be
honest, yeah. Which to be honest, was crazy, because I
mean, I just didn't have the schooling that everybody else
did. So I was just around like 1989 or so. Yeah, I think my
first year I started the fall of 88 or 8787. Wow. Yeah. And so I
went two and a half years there and unfortunately, you know, as
a lot of people fall
into and musicians and clubs and stuff like that I, I got really
into alcohol. And so I was drinking an awful lot. And it
was just no making things not really possible. I wasn't able
to keep up with school, and all that stuff. And fortunately, I
dropped out of school. And a few years later, I quit drinking.
I've been sober now since, Gosh, 9192 92. Yeah, so so you have
like a three year run of like, Leaving Las Vegas and like the
film and you're like, This is not sustainable. Yeah, some
somewhere in the family, there was a gene, you're not wrong.
It's weird that you said that. I can't even believe you said it.
But yeah, my dad's side of the family, they have
trouble with alcohol. My dad doesn't, but like his dad and
other people on that side of the family. And he even told me, you
know, when I started drinking, he was like, You need to be
careful. You know, in our family, there's a lot of
alcoholics, you know, and I just, I don't know, I just
really fell hard into it went through some, you know, really
rough times and kind of hit bottom and realize that, that I
just wasn't a person who could drink. And so I had, I had a
soft drink. And and, you know, it's hard because being a
musician, you know, you're exposed to it all the time. You
know, you can't, you can't stop drumming. You got to play the
clubs, and you're gonna be around alcohol. So I remember I
quit drinking on December 27. And I kept my New Year's Eve
plans. And all my friends were partying, and I just didn't. And
I was like this, I gotta get used to this. I just gotta get
used. So you prove to yourself that you could do the first New
Year's Eve like that. And then of course, the it's one day at a
time. Yeah, yeah, it's so now you're looking back?
What was it is 30 years? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's 32 years. Yeah.
So does it ever get challenging, or you're at a point where just
like, hey, man, we're, we're got some time in the trenches, this
is not a problem.
Man.
There's always that temptation that I'm aware of,
you know, especially if you're going through really difficult
times, you know,
any kind of depression or loss or whatever. It pops up, you
know, it's just like, Man, I could just go get drunk and lay
in a corner somewhere, you know, not.
And so when that happens, do you call a trusted friend? Do you go
to a meeting? What do you do? You know, I'm not stereotypical.
In this regard at all. I totally support all that stuff. It just,
it's just not the route I took. You know, the program? No, I
didn't do the program. Well, yeah. I just, I just made a
commitment to myself and God and said, you know, this is, I
really honestly wish I was just like, if I drink again, it means
I don't want to live. That's what I told myself. Yeah. And I
know, I want to live and so as long as I've got that going for
me, you know, I'm good to go. And I don't see that ever
changing. You know, I feel confident in it. But, you know,
it does suck to still have that. You know, it's like God, man, 32
years later, and I can still remember what Corona and tequila
tastes like, like I can, like, I could taste it. Like I can
remember, you know, like, ah, was that that was your
combination. Corona. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why, but it was
either. You know, I was either a night with Corona or and I was
killing and killing anything. Like, it didn't matter if
anything, were to kill it. And it's funny, because, you know, I
didn't really realize I had a problem. And then, in
retrospect, my my friends were like, Yeah, you were always
drinking, and we weren't. And I was like, You mean, you guys
weren't drinking when we were just running to the mall? You
know? Like, I would drink on the way to the mall? Like, what the
hell is it that no, crazy. Wow. But But you did it a bit. You
did it and you're doing it. Now a lot of people in that
situation, they will replace something for another? Did you
dive headfirst into more drums or more exercise or to
cigarettes or any? Did you replace it with something? I did
smoke, I quit smoking. At the same time. I quit drinking for a
little while. And then I picked up smoking again. I quit smoking
probably seven years after I quit drinking. And then man, I'm
just full on caffeine. philon I mean, Starbucks. It's like it's
so weird. Because you know, it's caffeine. So it's not the same.
You know, obviously the same thing is like drinking, but like
when I'm really stressed, I want a shot of espresso. It's shot.
You know what I'm saying? So it's Yeah. So like, I'll get
like really stressed or, you know, bummed whatever it is some
extreme emotion. And I'll be like, I'm going to Starbucks.
Gotta get me you know, a double shot, you know, whatever. Yeah.
But yeah, it's actually a really bad and expensive habit. To have
a coffee never killed anybody, isn't it?
You're not gonna get behind the wheel and go, like, Yeah, that's
right. Yeah. And I can make hopefully not going to make bad
decisions when I'm all like wired up. Or
maybe I do I take on too much. What's the one thing you've just
overcome so much. I mean, that's it's incredible. You turn
tragedy into triumph. And so you're, you're getting good at
the drums, you're studying the drums a little bit, you get over
that hurdle. You're in your early 20s. And we're really
playing like Deep Ellum that you're playing trees, data,
original bands, all that kind of stuff. All that stuff on the
rocks at a basement, Dallas city limits smoking days rock room,
there's a rock garden. Just yeah, Dotto. We did that there
was so many venues, I can't remember them all right now. But
yeah, I played de Belem, probably through maybe 2002, or
something like that kind of when there was a shift, you know, and
then I actually got into an all girl band for a short period of
time, called Baby J and Hudson, and we were together like 2000,
to 2004. And that was very different. Because, honestly, my
whole career I've always played with guys, just, that's just how
it's worked out. And I do need to give a shout out to the guys
that I've played with, because, you know, there could be
stereotypes around female drummers or female musicians or
whatever, and nobody that I've ever played with ever even
considered that an issue like, they'd never looked at that and
thought, Oh, we don't want to check drummer or, or she's not
gonna be good, because she's a girl or whatever it is that they
think, you know, I feel like I was afforded all the same
opportunities as anybody else. In some cases more because I
think people looked at it, you know, kind of, like a, like a,
like a cool little thing, you know, for their band. Hey, we've
got a chick drummer, you know. So that was really cool. But
anyway, so yeah, I was an all girl band, and we were doing all
original music. And to be honest, I was doing original
music from the beginning of my career 88 till probably about
2012 or so maybe. And that's when I switched over into cover
music. So, but yeah, and that pays the bills, a little cover
music pays man, you know, does, you could do it until you drop.
I got no problem with that. Well, that's interesting,
because I was going to ask you, I'm not going to be all like
James Brown's like, it's a man's but I'm not gonna be like, it's
a man's world. Yeah, but it's a it's a very male dominated
industry. Usually the female in the band is singing. That's
right. Yeah, that's right. But you feel like it was pretty,
pretty smooth road. Everybody that Yeah, yeah. I mean, for for
me with other peers. Now, like, if I show up to a gig, I can't
tell you how many times I show up to gig dragon drums and
they're like, Oh, that's so sweet. You're helping your
boyfriend. I'm like, Oh, man. I'm gonna give you black guy,
you know, these are my drums. Yeah. Or like, just the other
night. Somebody walked up, and they were like, Oh, are you guys
in the band? And me and my singer. They were like, again,
they're like, Oh, what do you do? And he's like, I'm the
singer. And they're like, Oh, well, what do you do? And I was
like, I'm the drummer. They're like, Oh, my God, like, they
just freak out. Because that's not what they're expecting you
right? Now, did you? Did you look to female drummers for
inspiration, say the genius shocks or the Sheila ease? Or
the?
What was it?
Yeah, you know, or was it didn't matter? It didn't matter. That's
the thing. And I think, you know, I just, I just looked at
all drummers the same way. I never, it didn't matter. any
walk of life, everybody was just a drummer. Like, I've always
been that way about everybody. You know, my mom always thought
that, you know, I could friend anybody or date anybody because
like I just had, you know, I just, I love everybody, you
know, like, and so I was really into course, you know, is the ad
so you'll pure? So yeah, that was my guy had his posters all
over the wall. Yeah, that was a big one. John Bonham,
definitely, you know, just had that guy's foot was awesome.
And then but you know, later down the line. I don't know if
you knew of a band. Do you remember a band called SR seven?
Those out of Austin? Yeah, they used to play data all the time.
Yeah. Patrice pike. What up? She is, uh, yeah, rocks, man. Yeah.
So they had a drummer named Sean Phillips. back then. And that
guy he was he's to this day, the biggest inspiration for me
drumming wise. And you can really tell like I was in an
original band called Frog knot and then also in Baby Jane
Hudson. I kind of took that style that Shawn had and applied
that to those songs. So it's kind of more of like a form of
funk you know, rock groove kind of thing. And I just thought I
love Shawn Phillips playing and he doesn't play anymore. Well,
so I was gonna say to you guys, Are you friendly? Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what I was gonna say is like, you know, it's it's
so cool because with social media, you know, people are
accessible now. And and like, you know,
We friended each other years ago, and I say this at every
interview when I'm talking about drumming, I talk about him. And
I was like, I should frickin tell him, you know, how
important he was to me. Yeah, so I messaged him and thanked him
for being such an inspiration and actually sent him some frog,
not music. And he wrote back and said, he thought it was really
great and that he could hear his, you know, influence over
me. And I was like, Oh my God, you know, because that's cool. I
remember I remember like seeing them play sometimes I would just
be walking down Deep Ellum and I'd get on my tippy toes and
look through the window to see Oh, yeah.
Guys, so good. Like, and it's just the thing with him is he's
just so solid. And you know, he doesn't overplay. But when he
does those little fills in there. They're just so unique
and tasty. It's just I just could listen to him every day.
Now. Why does he not play anymore? What happened? I don't
I really don't know. I don't know the story behind that. He's
in corporate America now. So got a family I know that.
Yeah, the other guys are still playing a lot. They're not a
sister seven but Patrice pipe with Wayne Sutton and I don't
think that she has the same bass player anymore. But she's still
out there doing some things but it's not the same man. I need
Shawn there, you know, now is Deep Ellum still the the the
replays for new music is discovered as it's still the
hotspot to go on Friday and Saturday nights for the
alternative crowd. You know, I am so disconnected from that
anymore. We have actually played a couple of times metal shops
actually played like some private parties and stuff at
trees and been down there a few times. But I really rarely get
down there. You know, I kind of had like a set of shifts a while
back and it sort of started feeling dangerous. You know,
like, it wasn't really safe to be just kind of like walking
around down there. Maybe it's better now. I don't know. But
I'm not in that scene, you know, at all since the cover scene. I
mean, literally, the cover scene, there's no venues in
Dallas proper. Yeah, fly all around. It's all around. It's
like It's like Mansfield and Fort Worth, you know, Frisco and
the colony and Lewisville and, you know Rockwall, it's like all
around Dallas, but it's not in Dallas. So I don't really get a
taste of that scene that much anymore, which is really weird
for me, because that was everything I was in, you know, I
meant to mention to you earlier, because we're not original music
that I actually do still do original music with one group
called 49th vibration. So I mean, I'm sure you understand
this like doing your own music and coming up with your own drum
parts. There's just really nothing nothing better than
that. I know I have on my to do list. I want to put out a a fun
little Gregg Bissonette style solo record where you know, one
thing is kind of like a blood sweat and tears thing and the
other thing is kind of like a fun weather report thing. And
then there's like a king's X thing and 12 different fun kinds
of tracks and no vocals all instrumental and kind of like,
Oh, you'd call it like approachable fusion, you know,
like not over the top fusion where you can't find one you
can't clap your hands. It's soccer mom fusion. So I have it
on the to do list to do my you know, just for me. You gotta
coined that phrase, soccer moms usually Yeah, get shirts made.
I'll buy one that's awesome.
You know,
a band that I really loved. And my girlfriend Kara loves it.
Also because we were in Dallas at the same time, but we didn't
know each other in the 90s. We really loved the toadies. I
loved that. Just knuckle dragging gutter rock. Yeah,
totally. And they've got another group going now I forget. It's a
couple of the members. The female bass player from the
toadies is in it and I don't know if you do this, but she's a
breast cancer survivor. Also, she was diagnosed Yeah, just a
few years ago. She's doing good. But I wish I could remember the
band because I was playing with another original band not too
long ago called bullet. And we played with them. So yeah, I
mean, just great. Great musicianship and yeah, toadies,
were cool. There was so much cool stuff back then. Billy, do
you remember them? Oh, my God, I love with Earl Harvin and, like,
I think Sweden Stockholm or something. And they you know, we
thought he just he just left the United States. I was Yeah,
weird.
Amazing. Yeah. Billy Goat was a heck it was very percussion
driven. Yeah, yeah. I told Mike Dylan You know, yeah, yeah.
Well, cuz he then and they had a band called 10 Hands that was
like very popular in the Denton area. And I had all their CDs
and I would like to transcribe all the girls parts. Total nerd.
So So what what's next I know that you have a big vision where
breast cancer can stick it
in the foundation you want it to grow and grow and grow and grow.
And so I believe one of your goals is to have a brick and
mortar location and US
staff a paid staff? Yes. So, how do you how do we do that? How do
you get there? Yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is breast cancer
gets sick, it is such an amazing business model. I mean, for us
to raise $600,000, without any staff is just, I mean, it's
crazy. And if you think about Thank you, if you think about,
you know, if we had people doing this 24/7, you know, 20 475 days
a week, you know,
five, yeah, 40 hours a week and everything like that. Even three
people, rich, I can't even imagine what kind of an impact
we can make. I mean, we would easily, you know, double triple
our numbers, I mean, it's just, you know, we could have such a
bigger impact, I know that, you know, people may look at that,
like, hey, you know, less overhead and blah, blah, blah,
but, you know, it's kind of almost like an investment, it's
like, we get more staff members, we're able to raise even more
money and have even a bigger impact. And that's really what I
want, you know, I want, you know, breast cancer to be a
thing of the past, you know, I want to save more lives. And,
you know, we're having an impact today, just through what we're
doing. And I just figure, you know, we could have an even
bigger impact. And so what we're looking at right now, Rich's
we're wanting to get grants. So we want to get some grants to
kind of kickstart that we have some people, as you said, within
breast cancer can stick it just amazing people like super
talented marketing prowess, type of people that just know exactly
what to do. And if they had the time, it'd be nuts. And, like,
all these people are like for three or four ladies, on our
board, they're like, just tell me when, you know, tell me when
we're jumping off, we're gonna do this, and I'm there, you
know, and they got their big jobs and everything else, but
they're, they're ready for it. So you have to get to get
grants, like an investment, essentially, where, you know, we
could really smack get it for a year or two, and just show what
can be done. That's really my goal. And fortunately, I
recently met a drummer who has a lot of experience in grants. And
so I'm starting to work with him to get those things lined up, we
also have a partner with parkland, who has a lot of
connections that way, and she's going to be helping us find, you
know, proper grants to submit to, to apply for and things and
so that's really the route we're headed down right now. But if
the book just like, blows up or something, then I'll be like,
you know, that investor to, you know, throw that in there. So
it's sort of like, you know, the, you know, how it is making
a book explode. That's, it's like, sharding, an album by
yourself or something you just can't, it's it's very difficult.
But, you know, whatever way it happens, I feel like, we're
really truly on the cusp of something absolutely amazing.
And not only just, you know, making a difference through
funding these programs, but just bringing positivity and hope to
people out there that are going through, it doesn't even have to
be breast cancer, just some kind of challenge or despair. You
know, just bringing that positivity out to the world. You
know, that's the thing is that you're a model for people to
overcome. Well, thanks. So you have a you haven't, you have a
purpose, and you got sidetracked? And you said,
Enough, I will beat this and then you get back to your
purpose. And at the same time, you discover another purpose,
which is to help as many people as humanly possible. What I'm in
learning about your body and cancer and health and prevention
and follow up exams and all that kind of stuff. What can women do
to prevent this from happening in the first place? And what can
they do to
make sure that they get it in time? Right, right. I'm super
glad you're asking this question. It's like, it's almost
like, if I could feed you the questions, you're just like, you
just know them. That's perfect, man.
No, because this is like really important to me because people
don't recognize what they can do. So the first thing you want
to do is know your risk. So American Cancer Society, great
website, you can look up breast cancer risk, it'll tell you the
things to know about. So as you get older, your risk of any kind
of cancer goes up. It's one out of every three women will get
some kind of cancer in their life, one out of every two men
will get some kind of cancer in her life. One out of every eight
women will get breast cancer. And two of the things that we
can do to lower our risk
are in nobody likes them, but less alcohol.
Alcohol damages cells. Dr. O'Shaughnessy can go on and on
about it. I've got lots of things up on our YouTube channel
youtube.com/breast Cancer can stick because the it just was
too long for them.
And so you can go there and watch a lot of videos where she
goes into detail about, you should have, you know, maximum
three drinks a week, and not all at the same time. I mean, it's
that sensitive. And then the other is exercise and nutrition,
you know,
they're finding a direct correlation between obesity and
cancer. And so the one thing that I think is really cool is
Dr. O'Shaughnessy talks about how she's, you know, tried
working with women, for example, to help them lose weight. And
it's just really hard because a lot of men and women get breast
cancer, when they're in menopause, which slows down your
metabolism. And so everything's kind of fighting against you.
And then if you go through breast cancer, then you know,
you're hired, and you're exhausted, so you're not as
active. So it's just like it's fighting against against you.
And so, she is a big proponent, which she's not really into just
throwing medication at things, I need to tell you that like, when
I first finished treatment, she's like, What are you on? And
I told her, like, when I get off this, when I get off, there's
like, she doesn't want people on a bunch of medication. But she
really thinks that those weight loss shots are possibly going to
be an answer to help reduce the risk of breast cancer, and a lot
of women and she's going to be doing I think you heard it when
she spoke about it. At the VIP party, she's gonna be doing
some, some tests and trials to try to prove that theory if they
start giving women the weight loss shot, if it, you know,
reduces these cells that are that are causing the problems.
That's interesting, because because we were having an exempt
pick.
pandemic, not a pandemic, it's an epidemic of ozempic in the
sense that it's kind of being overused. And are we going to
really know, because you can lose muscle mass, you could lose
bone density, and I'm fit and I'm skinny, and I'm pretty, but
it's like, is it gonna stay that way? And have I right?
You're probably like me, like, you look at something like that.
And you're like, Oh, that can't be good for you. Like, that's
how, that's what I thought out of the gates. I'm like, you
know, the easy answer is never the best one. That's what what I
always think. But you know, to have the sign off from Dr. O
means something to me, you know. So, you know, you're right,
there's, there's still things to learn about it. But those are
the two big things. So nutrition, exercise and alcohol.
So I kind of put exercise and nutrition together. low fat diet
is great. She says if you've had breast cancer before, keeping to
a low fat diet, tried to keep to your, your good body weight, all
that stuff is good. She said even like a 10% weight increase
after you've had breast cancer can increase your risk of breast
cancer by like 50%. I mean, it's like, it's crazy, how important
all that stuff is. But earlier, I was also talking about, you
know, knowing your risk. And so as women, some of the risk
factors are like I said, getting older, if you've never had
children, I've never had children before. I didn't know
that was a risk factor. Not that it would have changed anything.
But it's just good to know. You know, if you have cancer in your
family, obviously, which when I was diagnosed, I was like, Oh, I
just have this one person on my mom's side. And these couple
people, my dad's I was like, that's not really anything. But
when I did the genetic testing, they had me do something. I
think it's called like a genogram, where you put like
your family tree, and then you put any anybody who had cancer,
you write on it. So we did all this research and found that was
all this cancer on my dad's side. And so it we're pretty
confident that that breast cancer came from my my dad's
side, however, none of the genes have been tested for have been
linked back to breast cancer. So they haven't found the gene yet
that does that. But so genetic testing, I'm a big proponent of
that, if you've had, if you had any kind of cancer before
getting the genetic testing is super important for your family.
And it gets really good thing to do. But yeah, I mean, to me,
that's a pretty good toolkit. All right. Yeah, genetic
testing, I, I
that's something that I want to put onto the to the to do list
and perhaps the they can do full body scans. Now. It's a weird,
it's like under the radar. A lot of people don't know about it. I
don't know, if any insurance companies really cover it, but
someone told me you can get a full body scan, and it'll it'll
outlet lately. You could see what's happening in your body.
Oh, what is this? What is it? Yeah, might as well do? I did a
thing because, you know, gosh, after having breast cancer, or
you know, you just kind of go through phases where you're
like, oh, man, I just, you know, I'm not going to oncologist
anymore. And I'm just kind of freaked out. I just want to kind
of get a clean bill of health kind of thing. And so I went to
a company called via scan here in Dallas, and they did like a
body scan. And then, you know, inevitably just so you know,
like everybody has like, CES. Almost everybody has ces of some
kind. But you know, there were some that they wanted me to
chase down and make sure of course, everything turned out
great. But yeah, and that wasn't covered by insurance, but it was
It wasn't so outlandish that you couldn't afford it either. But
yeah, I mean, doesn't
It just kind of makes you want to do that doesn't it's like I
just want to I just want to know, you know? Yeah. Oh, man.
It's, it's yeah, definitely empowering yourself
to either prevent or
prevent it from happening again. Right? Yeah, yeah, I had it. I
had a male drum teacher and El Paso, Texas growing up who got
breast cancer as it happens in men too. So yeah, well, did you
know Peter, Chris from Kiss had breast cancer? I did not know
that. Why? Yeah, he did. The heavy metal. Have you talked to
him about it? No, I haven't. I've talked to people in his
circle about it, but haven't been able to get him because I
would really love to have him at a drum Athan, I think it would
be super fitting into habitable. Yeah. And we have a survivor's
group on Facebook called survivors, rock, breast cancer
can stick it community. And we have a male breast cancer
survivor in that group who's a police officer. And so it's
really cool. I've done some interviews with him. It's
interesting to hear their side, of course, the likelihood of a
man getting breast cancer is super low. But I mean, just like
everybody says, you find anything that's not normal, you
got to go get it checked out. I mean, and people who are like
afraid to go get it checked out. It's like, dude, trust me, you
should be more afraid to not get it checked out, you know, is
profound, actually. Yep. A lot of people don't like going to
the doctor and stuff. It's like, look it just do it and just just
do it consistently. You know, for many years, my dad would not
go to the dentist and I was like, Dad, what are you British?
Come on here.
He finally went. And I was like, this is much better, you know?
Yeah. You know, much, much better. Well,
what am I forgetting? I'm trying to do my best Mario Lopez here.
Great Mario. Um, I guess the one thing I'll say you were kind of
talking about, like the future of things. And yeah, another
thing that like I have another dream is, you know, we have
Droppeth on every year here. But I have this Oh, you want to take
it on the road? Do I want to do the drum Athan like summer tour
or something like big time, man, I really want to do that hit all
the big markets, you know, reach all the folks and those
different cities and states that are familiar with breast cancer
can stick it and, and just the, I don't know, the
the hope and positivity and joy being a part of breast cancer
can stick it can bring to your life. I mean, I just really want
to bring that to people and awareness, of course, you know,
fundraising, the whole package, I mean, there's just so much
with breast cancer can stick it that you can get out of it,
whether it's helping you to know when to go the doctor or
bringing some new friends in your life, you know, it's just
a, it's just a really great package that I really want to
take around too. I can see that, hey, if there's any grant
writers out there, people who are connected who can get
government grants, I think that it would be a result of getting
the grant because you know that the budget is going to go up,
but you could probably get a skeleton crew together, like
okay, thanks. People are gonna fly. We need hotels, gotta have
relationships with back backline companies. So not many, you
know, because if you get a semi truck,
that would be great, because you gotta have a driver, and then
all the gear is there, but then maybe it's more cost effective
to just get backline. And yeah, we just have to get seven like
some kind of those those wraps that you put on the makeup pink.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, there's, there's definitely a
way to do it. And I can, I can definitely see that happening.
No problem of obviously, there's anything that I could do. I
mean, I'm just thrilled to be in your orbit. I'm thrilled to know
you. I'm thrilled to know your story. And I'm thrilled to be
part of breast cancer kids take it from there. Thank you so
much. And I'm sure I've told you this before, you know, I met you
and Mark Schulman on the NAMM floor 2013 in the Sabian booth.
And from the moment I met you guys, I was like, I want to be
like those guys. Like I like like you guys are just big
mentors. To me. It's not just about your fantastic drumming.
It's just about you as people that you guys, you're not just
sitting around and just playing drums, you're you're doing
motivational speaking you're you're releasing books, you're,
you're reaching people, and I just thank you for being such a
mentor to me and for everything you've done for breast cancer
could stick it and still do. It's just I can't even I don't
even know how to thank you, man. Well, I just got a bunch of
goosebumps all over my body. And it's really it's the, the I'm
sure the pleasure is ours. And you know, the funny thing is, is
I'm thinking about your future. Growing breast cancer can stick
it
as a foundation and an event.
You're gonna speak, you're already doing it, you know what
I mean? And now you're just now you have a platform with this
book. It's gonna be a bestseller on Amazon. And then you're gonna
start doing keynote speeches. And what's great about doing
keynote speeches is
even if you have drumming related
injuries or you get carpal tunnel, right. As long as you
got the gift the gap, which is what you have it, you can go in
and impact people. Yeah, yeah. And I would love I would love to
do that I've done some speaking engagements, haven't done them
in a hot minute. Do some like lunch and learns with businesses
around town through zoom. Got something coming up, I think
possibly with a soft drink company this year. So yeah, I
mean, I'm trying to step into that realm. Rich. I'll be
calling you Hey, man, what do I do? Oh, I love it. Well, yeah,
man, ya know, it's anytime. And you know what we're talking
about making friends and relationships and lifelong
friends. I got to I got to give it up for Shawn Messick, man,
you you said hey, you know, babysit this guy for two days.
And, and he did man and we really got to know each other.
And he's just wow, what a great guy. Such a blessing man. He
came in 2014 we were doing a fundraiser in Corpus Christi
with AJ pero from Twisted Sister. Oh, God rest his soul
man. YEAH. Jimmy Deanna from bullet boys and toilet cut up
from Tesla. And he was you came in to help tech. So he and
another friend of mine, we had a mutual friend and he brought
Shawn and ever since that moment, man, Shawn and I've been
locked in. He's been a part of breast cancer kids ticket since
that since that meeting, and just such a such a blessing. And
just I mean, talk about positivity and encouragement,
like I bring. Shan Shan we're talking about you, man. And he
heard in my little clinic that I did over a Dallas percussion
that I have a love affair with octopuses right now or octopi.
And I just think that they're the most incredible frickin gift
from God creatures. They're just,
they're undeniably special creatures. And he bought me an
octopus shirt. Oh, that's excellent. That's awesome. It
came in them. It was an octopus. It's an octopus playing the
drums, which is Oh, that's even better has like, it's like
totally crazy. So. So usually, I think is a good way to end this.
We talk about the Fave Five. What's your favorite color?
Favorite color will hot pink now. Come on. It was perfect.
How often do you get to get that hair colored? Every six weeks?
That's Oh my god. I color my hair more than you do. I just
got this. This color today. I won't even tell you what it
comes out. It's a coat of paint. Oh my god. How about a favorite
food or a dish? I love Mexican food. Love it. Tex Mex all the
way. You're in the right city for that? Yes, absolutely.
That's what I actually told. I told Sean I said, Hey, can you
take me to a taco Gabbana? I like it. I know it's fast. No, I
dig it too. I like it a lot. What about your favorite drink?
favorite drink is a it's a what is it called? Now? They keep
changing the name of it. It's an iced espresso. From from
Starbucks, of course. Yeah. Kenny G loves you. Now Kenny G
owns a large portion of Starbucks. So Oh, really? He
loves. He's thanking you for your business. Now this one is
tough. This is the kind of thing where whether it's the artist or
the melody, or just the drumbeat, you don't know why,
but this song just haunts you in your life. And when it comes on
the radio, you're gonna crank it up. What's What would be your
favorite song? Are you with me now by 6am? Oh, Nikki six? Yeah,
yeah. And, you know, oddly, James, Michael. He played drums
on that. He's a singer. And he played drums on those albums,
those early albums. And it's so good. I just love it. I don't
know why, but I figured that's the song that came to my head.
I'm gonna say it. I know. It's one of my favorites. Well, more
time was the title was so it's called Are you with me? By
today? Yeah. Yeah. Big fan of 6am music. I'm always also
feeling that way by journey as another one so Balan. Oh, nice.
I love that. And then what would be your favorite movie? Favorite
movie? Oh my gosh. I don't know.
Best in Show probably. That's maybe airplane. I know. It's
my parents, man. I can't believe that. Let us watch that. 1977 I
mean that none of this would fly anymore. Oh, I drive. I know. I
know. I know. What. It's amazing. It's red and white.
Looks like a big Tylenol. I mean, there's just so many great
quotes in that stupid movie. It's it's, it's terrible. But I
mean, it's the quotes, you know, and I love this show. Because
what is it? It's Thanksgiving every day, the best in show is
on on Thanksgiving Day. The best shows on after the Macy's Day
Parade. And I am a sucker. I'm not really. You know, I might
get some hate mail for this. I'm more of a cat person than I am a
dog person because I can't walk a dog three times a day. But I
can leave for a week. Right right
I just throw some food out there and they're good to go. Yeah,
that's crazy.
Well, this has been so much fun and I think the book is great
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samuels.com April thank you so much. So it's great to see you.
Thank you so much rich for having me and thanks again for
all you do for breast cancer can stick it man. I oh hey, maybe
we'll see you in October I it's a great thing. Yeah, one more
time what is happening in October where when in time
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