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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

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METAL HATS

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My name is George. I'm John. And we are on the road, I-95 to be specific, and we are headed up to Philadelphia for the Decibel Metal and Beer Fest. Will's going to meet us there, so he'll be here eventually. And I know I'm not supposed to talk about the weather, but the weather kind of sucks. It's raining, and so far, 95, it looks like most of the traffic's going the other way, so.

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Hopefully it stays that way. So here we are. We're headed to two days of metal and beer. The first annual Decibel Metal and Beer Fest. And any words of wisdom, John? Yes. Try not to die as the people in front of us slam on their brakes. Yeah, exactly. Just as I go to talk, everyone slams on their brakes. Yeah, drink a lot of water today, folks, because we're going to be drinking a lot of beers and have fun.

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to anybody other than people who are going.

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But any words of wisdom?

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Looking forward to this, because I've been looking forward to this for a long time.

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And I'm looking forward to finally meeting Adam, the author.

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Sorry, Adam, I don't want to butch your last name until I actually ask you in person.

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Something, yes.

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He is the author of The Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Beers,

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which Will and I have consumed and enjoyed every beer in the book of the featured beers in the book outside of three and there's like 115 or 16 and we've gotten to know him Adam via social media by texting and tweeting and stuff that we're drinking from the book so I'm really looking forward to meeting him actually more than anything else not a man crush just looking forward to meeting the guy who's helped me drink a lot of beer the last couple of years.

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That's pretty awesome. Yeah, I hope to at least get to meet him as well. Also looking forward to hopefully seeing Zach again. We just saw Zach from Chemist last week or so? Last Thursday. Last Thursday when we were at the Atlas Brew Works Metal Night and True Brewing was visiting. Well, it was... As part of the Craft Brewers Conference, yes. And it was the last night of Craft Brewers.

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They did stuff on Friday, but anyone doesn't know they had the Craft Brewers Conference. It was in DC this year and so there's a lot of breweries in town and there's a lot of events all day long, you know into the night at different places, different venues in the city, you know popular beer bars and stuff and Atlas had an event that also paired up with Metal Night. So we got the best of both worlds. Yeah, so we you know we got a chance to talk with Zach a little bit and that was awesome. So hopefully we'll see him again and I'm hoping that

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that we might also see his bandmate Dan. Both Dan and Zach were on one of our previous episodes and it would be nice to meet the man, shake his hand and all that. And of course all the different breweries. I thought there were 16 breweries but I swear I saw something that said 17. Yeah, there's a lot more than we thought at first. I think there's 30 total beers or 32 total beers. I can't remember.

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But there were 16 or 17 different breweries. I just don't remember. Originally, I thought it was 16 because I was thinking it would be like 8 and 8. But I swear I saw an ad or something that said 17 breweries. So I don't know. I don't think they're breaking the breweries up by day. No, no. I was just thinking I have to try 8 beers today and 8 beers tomorrow. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Good luck. Although, you're right. Some of these have multiple beers. So...

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Each brewery has two beers. Oh dear lord. So enjoy our sobriety while it lasts. It's not long for this world apparently. Yes. It should be said that these are metal breweries too. So obviously that's why it's a metal and beer fest. But it's not just 16 breweries or 17 breweries they threw together. All of them have some kind of a metal connection to the brewery. Now we'll get into the bands that are playing today in a moment.

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I don't have the specific list in front of me unfortunately but I know that I can think of a couple off the top of my head that obviously I want to try anything from Hammerheart that's the dude Austin the dude from Panopticon that's his brewery I've heard good things and I'm definitely looking forward to that I'm also hoping to get finally a taste of this Three Floyds permanent funeral

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the pig destroyer beer that has I've heard much talk about but have not had a chance to try it is a very good and I will be having another myself I've had it a few times it's good beer so what are you looking forward to drink wise okay so yeah I'm a big three Floyd's fan they are real big in our house and we love them myself and the missus so definitely gonna drink their stuff and cigar city has a beer I've never

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I've had Highlight a gazillion times, I don't need to have it again, but I have something I haven't tried before so I want to get that. I want to definitely check out Burial from Asheville, North Carolina because I will be hopefully going there pretty soon on my way to Prague Power. Looks like I'm going to be driving down again. Obviously I want to try the beer that we did not have from True Brewing at the Atlas event. I'd like to try another one of theirs. That was Restarter I believe it was called? No, it's actually

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something different from anything on the menu. Or anything they had on the board when we were there. Well, there was the one that was on the board there, but we didn't get to try. I think it was a restart because they sold out of it already. Of which, by the way, yes, we did give shit to Zach about that. Of course, he had zero control of that, but it was just fun to say because he was standing there talking to us at the time. I was like, great, now I have to drink the Dessa beer again, which actually is a very good beer. Yeah, I like that. Festival, double IPA.

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So there's a lot of beers I want to have from various other breweries that I'm thinking more that IPAs might be the way to go today instead of the stouts, even though there's some spectacular stouts on the list. I just don't want to burn out after my third stout and feel like I just ate a horse. So we'll see. I don't know. Yeah, and then of course there's the Atlas Hasawodo Hail Satan Worship Doom, if I'm going to pronounce it like Will does. You gotta have that on a Hail Satan Worship Doom.

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You know, it's funny. Will's kind of doing a little Hetfield when he does that. I just think, oh yeah, after that or something. Give me fuel, give me Hassawodo. And for the record, we've had a few of those already because we had those at the Atlas event last week too. Yeah, that was tasty. I don't know, we'll see. Maybe I'll have that one. Depends if their head brewer twists my arm to drink it, which I'm sure he'll say something. I'm sure he will. All right, so

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So the lineup today is going to be... Impossible to see. There we are. So opening the show today is Crypt Sermon. Yes. Who, of course, we're in our last... Steve from our... You know, I realized when we were talking to Zach, I was calling him Jason. His name's Steve Jansen. Jansen, Jason, whatever. But anyway, so Steve was on our last episode and we're all,

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I'm really looking forward to seeing Crypt Sermon. Any comment on Crypt Sermon before I move on? No. They were definitely one of the bands I circled off right away that I wanted to see when I first saw the lineup. So I'm down with that. And it's the first band, so let's get it going. Yeah, first band, so we've got to make sure we're there on time. Then after them is Krieg. American Black Metal Band. I'm not a huge fan, but I've known about them for a long time.

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Definitely want to see what they're about. After that is Panopticon. And I'm really curious about this one because I've not always been a huge Panopticon fan based on the production of some of the earlier material. It just wasn't doing it for me. However, the last album I thought was a vast improvement in the sound quality and the music was really good. So I want to know what they sound like live.

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Yeah, my big deal about them, seeing them, is that it's a one-man show that now has a band, so that's what I want to see, seeing as they haven't really played much live, so I'm big on that too. Yeah, apparently, I don't know if he's doing it. I would assume he is this time since both bands are here, but the drummer for Falls of Roros plays live with Panopticon, so yeah, I guess that'll be interesting to see. I don't know. It'll be good, or at least it'll

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be interesting. After that is Immolation. Old school, veteran death metal band. I'll give them a listen. I don't really care either way. Maybe they'll knock my socks off. I don't know. So I think it should be stated at this point, this will be now the fourth band. And I don't think we're doing a beer, a band here. I think it's going to be a lot worse than that. So who knows at that point what I'm going to be doing, where I'm going to be hanging out, who I'm going to be talking to.

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So we'll see. It depends on the setup. Exactly. Yeah. By that point, we could be three sheets to the wind and who knows where we are. After that is, I haven't started drinking yet, Municipal Waste. Local favorites from the D.C., Maryland, Virginia area. And also a band that loves a good party. So I've seen them before.

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So, you know, it's always good to see them, but I'm not really like, oh, I gotta see them. So, we'll see. Followed by the Knight's headliner, Agoraphobic Nosebleed. Never really been a big fan of this, although John just brought it to my attention today that the main guy in this band is Scott Hall from Big Destroyer. So, that does incline me a little bit more towards checking it out. Not exactly my style of music, but

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I don't know. It's not a genre that I listen to much. So I'll check them out and then I'll probably wander over and get a beer. All right. So that's what's on the menu for today. And depending on our state of mind and consciousness at the end of the night, maybe we'll give you a post-mortem as well. And possibly some updates from the show. We're not entirely sure how this is going to work.

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Supposedly we have a press pass waiting for us so that we ought to be able to bring the microphone in. However, yeah, anyway, we'll see. So either way, we'll talk to you later. Okay, we'll talk to you later. Hello. This is George. This is Will. And this is John. We're here to tell you about last evening's festivities at the Decibel Medal in Beer Fest. You know, we, uh, Will was there early, setting up,

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with Atlas and we got John and I got in a little bit before the doors open so we got to walk around and and check the place out before all the masses got there and the first as soon as we walked in John and I were just like oh this place is so fucking huge compared to the Fillmore and Silver Spring I mean it's got to be like twice as big oh yeah it's and it's way nicer it's it's it's like a premiere venue to see shows like it's it's it's an

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It's an amazing place. Everything is done so well. There's three different levels. There's a gazillion bars. It is really well done. It's corporate, but it's planned out well. There's plenty of space. It was actually cool in there with all those people. I didn't feel like I was sweating my balls off for once at a show. No, they had the air conditioning on. It was actually kind of cold at some point, but it was perfect. It was perfect. So we got in there. We got to catch part of Crypt Sermons.

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soundchecking and we were like wow okay this sounds really good now of course so what we

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didn't know was that arthur rizik was running sound for those guys so uh who's that yeah don't ask jay um

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and uh so we're like wow this is gonna be good if that's what the sound is like here and uh and then john and i

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uh promptly got lost in all the beers i think so we didn't we didn't do any recording yesterday

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during the day other than our trip down here. I think you should state for the record that we got lost in the beers before the first band came on, which was Crip Sermon. I think at one point I walked up to Will and I was like, man, this is definitely going to be a shit show today. And it's like 5.30, it's opened at 5.00. So if you're listening and you don't know what we've been talking about for the last several episodes, so we're up in Philadelphia. We're at the Despo Magazine's

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and beer festivals. So it's literally all bands and a select few breweries from around really the world because McKellar is here from Denmark and Unibrew is from Montreal. And is there another one from overseas? I forget. But you have all these breweries that have been hand selected that are metal themed breweries to come pour beer here. And oh, by the way, it's a two day heavy metal show as well. So it's so my brewery Atlas was was lucky enough, privileged enough.

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to be hand-selected by the good folks at Despo Magazine to pour the beer. So we brought our two beers, brought a Rowdy Rye Ale, which is one of our flagships, and then we brought our Hail Satan Worship Doom Black Saison, as we call it, the Satanic Saison. Also known as Hasawodo. Yeah, the official name is Hasawodo, but it stands for Hail Satan Worship Doom, which, if you are a Bong Ripper fan, you'll get the reference. And what was great is the guys at Neshaminy Creek,

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which is in Pennsylvania, which were right next to us. One of the dudes there had a sweatshirt on, the Hail Satan Worship Doom sweatshirt. I mean, it was like, it was perfect. Oh, and for the record, Unibrew is sponsoring this festival. So they have their beer that they brewed with the, I don't even know how to describe them. Dave Mustaine from Megadeth. And Dave was in the house. Yes. And yeah, I guess I'll go off on this tangent now.

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Well, first, let's just say Crypt Sermon did open the show, and they did sound fucking amazing. Yes. Oh, my God. And they played two new songs, and John and I were watching, and I don't know who said it to who. I think John said it to me, that look at his fucking fingers moving. He's like... Talking about Steve Jansen? Yeah, Steve's hands were just flying, and you're like,

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Doom? But it sounded so good. He looked so fucking badass. It was an incredible set. So it's funny, when we go back to the last episode when we interviewed Steve from Crip Sermon, and we were asking him, do you get bored? Or I think somebody asked him, do you get bored playing Doom compared to Trench Rise, like death metal band? And he's like, no. And now you can see why. He's on fire the whole time he's up there. It's playing. It was great to talk to him and then just see him right up on stage.

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Yeah, I will say it was funny. He was with us before everything started around, I don't know, was it around 5, I think? Yeah. And he talked to us for a long time, and we were like, well, what time do you head back? So I'll head back, I don't know, around 515, 520 to warm up. And like 545 was at the Atlas booth, I think, talking to us, having a beer. And he just jumped right up on stage like it was nothing. So it was very cool. I thought that was very funny. Yeah, and then right around then we talked to Arthur as well, Arthur Rizek. And again, like quarter of six,

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and he was like, oh, I got to go mix the sound. I got to go. I'll see you guys in a little bit. I got to go. Yeah. And it was good. I swear it was like a heavy Metalheads podcast reunion. We had Arthur Rizek on the podcast. He was there. We got to see him and talk to him. We had Steve Jansen of Crypt Sermon on the episode and he was there and we got to hang out with him. We've had Chemists on and they

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They were a little bit delayed, but they got there eventually, and we ran into Dan and spent some time talking to Dan. So it was just so cool to, in this one location, meet up with all these people we've had on the show. Yeah, Dan came up to me last night. I didn't recognize him because he had glasses on, his hair was all slicked by, like didn't look almost anything like when we, I think when we interviewed him. But he was like, I mean, him and Zach, but like Dan just came up. He was a super nice guy. It was great. It was great to talk to him. Yeah, I didn't realize when you came up, when we were watching Panopticon, which we'll get to.

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He was standing right in front of us the whole time. I didn't realize he had a jacket on. And I walked by. I was like, wait, is he standing here? Because I think Zach was standing in front of us too, their drummer, and also a member of True Brewing. Yeah, I didn't see Zach at all yesterday. No, he was there. I saw him numerous times. But I always waved to him from afar or something because he was always... He's in chemist, so he's busy. Everybody is talking to him. And besides, he's the head brewer at True, so everyone's talking to him for like...

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I think Dan had the freedom to kind of wander around a lot more.

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So after Crypt Sermon was Krieg.

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And I'm not like a huge Krieg fan.

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I'm aware of them and have a few albums.

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And so I had to go check that out.

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And I kind of went up to the front.

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Because I'm guessing that Immolation probably had a pit.

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I didn't get a good look at that.

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But like Krieg didn't really have a pit that I was aware of. So I was like pretty much right up front and I checked them out for a bit and I really dug the music. The vocals were okay, particularly in a live situation. They sounded pretty good for live. But, you know, it wasn't really, you know, I'm just not a huge fan. So I like Krieg and this may be one of those sort of things like I hung out with Neil, the lead singer, who's also a contributor at Decibel. We went down to,

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I got to know him. He's a super cool, nice guy. I didn't catch all the set because I was pouring beer. The Atlas booth is all the way in the back right if you're looking to the back. From the stage. Yeah, from the stage. I listened and watched from afar. I really like Krieg. It's not always my wheelhouse, but it's one of those things where I have that personal connection with Neil because we hung out for an entire day.

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Brewing Beer. So yeah, I like it. It was great. I mean, they put on a great show. Yeah. No, I thought they had good stage presence. And Neil, he's up there just like, you know, like making, like, you know, like transformed in like pain. And you know, that was cool. My moment during their set was I was in the back and I was watching them and I looked over and I was standing next to Adam. I'm like, well, this is kind of interesting. I said to Adam, I said, I've got you here and I've got Neil.

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on stage it's like I have a decimal magazine in my hand because you guys are on the same two pages next to each other so he thought that was actually kind of funny I guess have you have you prefaced that with who Adam is I don't know if we've mentioned it yet we have not he is the author of the book the Bible the Bible the only book on planet earth the book that I want him to like spear like nine beers on today and step on because mine's not soiled yet brutal truth guide to

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Dream Bears. And also is the columnist to the Bridal Truth portion of Decibel Magazine. So John and I have made it our mission in life, this is years ago, to drink every beer featured in that book. And we got to like within three of 113-ish or something like that. It's three because it's a wish list on my own tap that we'll never have. So John and I sort of got to know Adam because we were always posting that we were drinking the beer.

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and he interviewed, we were in like a couple newspaper articles like out in Seattle because we were drinking all these beers. And then either me or my breweries, plural, I guess three of them have been featured in Dustable magazine in his column. So it was like, I just, it was great to finally meet him for the first time. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And so I would guess towards the end of the Krieg set or thereabouts,

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John and I were like we need to go figure out where this press room is the foundry is like a smaller venue within the venue a smaller club upstairs and we finally figured out where that was and we flashed our press wristbands thank you Will and we got into this little room and we're like oh okay there's a little state very very small stage with some nice like velvet drapery but it should be pointed out when we walked in we couldn't get in at first they wouldn't let us in until we showed it guy was like you're going in it

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were. Oh, yes, come this way. And he opens the door. We didn't know where to get into. We walk in. There must have been about 100 people just standing around in front of the stage. And we're like, are we missing a press party? What's going on here? So that's what we walked into. It was kind of not commotion, but a lot going on. And I'll let you continue from there. Yeah. And pretty much none of them looked like press people. I mean, of course, we didn't either. But I mean, there were a lot of teenage kids in there and stuff like that.

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But also, Dave Mustaine was in there. And I'm sorry, I don't remember his name. Maybe Will knows it. The Unibrew guy. Oh, the head brewer. I don't know his name. He was French, apparently. French-Canadian. And Don Jameson from that metal show. Formerly of that metal show was there, too. Yeah, that's right. He was sort of emceeing this little event. And so he got Dave and Unibrew guy up on this little stage. And they sat down on some chairs.

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And they just sort of talked about the beer a little bit. And we had no idea. We just fucking lucked into this. We walked in like two minutes before it started. We're like, hey, what's going on in here? And they get up on the stage and they start talking about how the beer came about. The French guy is very French and very silly and very drunk. I told him we've already got one. You silly English kniggets.

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Dave was just kind of sitting there like okay you know because he was just like talking over Dave and stuff but it was like wow you know I know some people that aren't necessarily impressed with Dave Mustaine but I was pretty impressed and well it was cool not to cut you off it was cool to see him up there I have my reservations about him for various reasons but that's irrelevant to the fact that it was cool to see a guy who's a thrash master or you know god or whatever at least early on in his career.

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And it was the dude that was in the film with Lars, you know, making up. My little Danish buddy, I believe was his, what he called him. Or my little Danish friend, something like that. But anyway, so we were just like, holy crap, look what we've stumbled into. And so we watched them talk about that. And Don Jameson went around and like gave the microphone to some people to ask questions. And most of them were fucking retarded.

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And I was like, I wish I could think of a question so that when he gives us the mic, I could go, yeah, George from Metalhead's podcast. And here's my question. But I couldn't think of one. And so. It was short. And it probably had to be because I'm sure those guys wanted to get going. And there were a lot of people just talking. At one point, Don James said, hey, guys, can people in the back keep it down just a little bit? So Dave and, and again, sorry, I can't remember the guy's name from Unibrew could hear the questions. And people just kept talking. It was just like,

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It might be better just to end this. And they did. It only went on, I think, for about 20 minutes. Yeah. Maybe at the most. And then they did a signing session. Yeah. And who knew that was coming either? And then they're like, yeah, we're going to do a signing session now. And there's not that many people in there. So, like, everybody lined up. And John and I were like, all right, well, let's get out of here. And then I was kind of, like, dragging my feet going, I don't know. I mean, I don't have anything. I'd kind of like to get something signed. Will you sign my breasts? And I looked, I noticed they had a bunch of Etoulemande.

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Coasters on the table. And so I was like, fuck it, I'm going to get in line. And I got, and I went to the very end of the line and I saw coasters just lying around. So I picked up a couple of them so that I'd have a couple to have them sign. And the whole time I'm in line, I'm like, this is going to be cool. I'm going to get up there. And when I get to Dave, I'm going to go, Dia would be proud. I'm the last in line. But then this chick got in line behind me. She like left, she was in front of me in line.

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like a couple people up and she got out and like

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went to behind me I'm like I guess she wanted to be last in line

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I'm like god damn it sorry Dio

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I was the guy that wasn't standing in the back of the line doing that

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I just figured I don't need a signature

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I'll hang out and talk to Adam

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did you get a coaster with a signature?

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yeah I got

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and I noticed what they were doing

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and you know the Unibrew guy

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would sign it and pass it to Dave

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I'm like I don't really want this guy's signature on there

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I just want Dave's. So I had... Hey, hey, I take offense to that as a brewer, okay? No, no. I mean, I didn't say I didn't want his autograph. I just didn't want it with... I wanted them separate. And so I had two of the coasters. And so when I got up there, I handed the one to Unibrew guy and he signed it. And I was expecting him to give it back to me, but he passed it to Dave. But Dave wasn't ready yet, so he was still working on the other one. So I come up to Dave and hand him the other one.

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it back to me.

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And then my other one's still sitting there.

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And I go, that one's mine too.

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Can I get that?

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And I expected him to just hand it to me, but he signed that one too.

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So you got one with just Dave and one with Dave and the Unibrew guy.

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Yes.

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And then feeling cheeky as I was after having had however many beers, I was like, can I get a picture?

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And lackey number one hops out from behind the table, grabs my phone, and lets me take a picture with Dave. Still feeling cheeky. I'm like, okay, Dave has obviously already visually dismissed me. You can't visually dismiss you. No, no. He gives me the look. Like, okay, we're done here. And I was like, Dave, can I shake your hand real quick? And he gave me the, not quite a stink eye, but just sort of a sizing me up kind of look.

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And then he stuck his hand out and shook my hand. I was like, and I said, thank you for everything, Dave. You know, music. For everything you've done. And then I moved on and I was giddy-lucky little schoolgirl. I didn't realize it was that much of a fanboy moment for you. I was busy just talking off to the side. Yeah, he was over there talking to Adam and his brother-in-law. Yeah, it's one of those things, like, obviously Megadeth has put out some of the best albums ever made. You know, you talk about Rust in Peace or,

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Peace Cells. I even like So Far So Good So What. Yeah, they haven't all been winners. A couple of them, like the last couple were not that great, but... I like everything up through Cryptic Writings. Yeah, Cryptic Writings? Is that what it's called? Yeah. Sorry. Like, what was it? Endgame, I like. There's a couple in the odd periods, like 10 years ago that I really liked. But anyway, I mean, it's like, no matter what you think of them,

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You dislike his politics or his personality or whatever. He's a metal legend. I would have fanboyed out too if I was up there but I was pouring beer. I wouldn't have fanboyed. No, John does not fanboy. He does not. I'm trying to think if there was anyone I would if I saw. I can't think of anyone I'd be like, ooh. All right, but just walk up and say, hey dude, thanks for stopping by. Oh, I met Rush. Hi, my name is John. I actually did that when I met Rush.

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I met them, I don't know when they played down in Nissan. And I was like the last person in the meet and greet to meet them. And I walked up. You were the last in line. Okay, I was the last person. And when I said to Getty, I said, hey, hi, thanks, you know, appreciate it. And when I walked up, he says, hey, thanks for coming. I appreciate you stopping by. And he just kind of looked at me like I was kind of a jackass. And he just burst out laughing, kind of like he got the joke. I was thanking him when they should be thanking me. So I don't really care about that stuff. It doesn't matter.

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I mean the dude from Faith No More was walking around last night the drummer. Yeah did you see that? No. We were like we were we were speculating because he was the guy with the gray dreadlocks down to his ankles and I'm like man he looks familiar and and and Mike your name's John um well I was thinking of the the other guy but anyway uh and John's like isn't that the guy from Faith No More and I was like yeah and he like played with Ozzy and and uh Mike yeah

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I think it was him. I mean, it's funny because Richard Christie was standing there right next to us. There was a lot of big names in there. Oh, yeah. That's what was like crazy about this whole thing. And nobody cared. Yeah. Yeah. And like Dan Lilker was there pouring beer for, how do you pronounce it? McKellar. McKellar. Yeah. So I got there at whatever, 115. And I'm trying to set up our jockey box and everything, which is mitigated disaster. Thank you, True, the folks from True Brewing Company.

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for saving my choccy box. Oh my god. Anyway, but like, but like Dan Lilliker is just like walking around for hours when this place is nearly empty. He's almost like he was, I don't want to say he was just wandering around looking for a friend, but he was just wandering around checking things out like it's no big deal. I'm sitting like, that's Dan from Nuclear Assault, from Brutal Truth, from SOD, from Anthrax. Like, so I got a chance to talk to him very briefly, you know, loud and crowded, but like, I felt, I felt the need to go up and

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I know who you are. This is a huge deal. You were a god in high school. Was he cool about that? Oh yeah, he was totally cool. That's what I'm saying. He was just walking around like it was nothing. And he was pouring too. Yeah. When they say Dave Mustaine was pouring beer, Dan Lilker all night long was pouring beer. He never left. He was up there the whole night. Yeah. Maybe it's because he's so tall. It wasn't just intimidating. And because he's Dan fucking Lilker.

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I walked by him a million times and I gave him the little school boy look. But I couldn't even go up and get a beer from him. And so that's my goal for today. Assuming he is there again, I'm going to be like, I want to get a beer poured by Dan Lilker. And I want to shake his hand and thank him for all the music. If I can pull that off. I think that's what's successful so far in this festival is that everyone's just hanging out. It's not a big deal. Yeah, this is like,

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Aside from Dave Mustaine being there and being sort of like, you know, like there's some aspect of pretentiousness to that. But like Richard Christie was there from the Howard Stern show, Charwolds of the Dam, Iced Earth, Don Jamison. Yeah, death. Yeah. Oh my God. Don't forget, you know, Sound of Perseverance. Yeah, I thought he would kind of stick around. Not with Dave Mustaine would do that. He hung out the whole night in the venue with everyone. Oh yeah. He was just wandering around, drinking beer, watching the show. Like it was, like there was zero pretentiousness.

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All the Decibel Magazine guys were just walking around. I can't say enough good things about this festival. They better do this every year. And whether Atlas is part of it or not next year. Yeah. Because there are so many other breweries that are so deserving to, metal-influenced breweries who are deserving to pour beer here. But if they do it again next year, I'm definitely coming whether or not Atlas is pouring beer. I think this should be our new MDF because, well, MDF kind of blows.

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now. And this definitely did not blow. Oh, yeah. It's hard to describe the setup and how much space you have to go and still feel like you're in a big crowd and still feel you can move around. The only thing I would suggest, if you're going to order food, please order it within an hour of waiting because you're going to wait a long time. Oh, my God. I got to tell this story. So this is later. Let's come to this later. Let's go chronologically here, okay? I don't know what time it was.

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While I was standing in line waiting for Dave's signature, I noticed up on the monitor that Panopticon was taking the stage. And I'm like, I really wanted to see Panopticon, which is apparently their third show ever. Not their second show ever. Yeah, well, Dan from Chemist said he said it was their third. He said they played in the Washington, Oregon, whatever show that was, and then one in Sweden. And then here was the third. And so I'm like, okay, what's more important?

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Seeing Panopticon or getting Dave's signature? And I'm like, ehhh. But the line moved really quick. So I was able to get through, do the Dave thing. I went over to John who was talking to Adam and I was like, dude, I gotta go down and see Panopticon. And I was just like, yeah, whatever, cool, I'll see you later. Which was funny because I wanted to see Panopticon, but I was talking to Adam and his brother-in-law. And so I got down there and made a beeline for the front. Austin was set. I never remember stage left, right.

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He was on the right side of the stage if you were in the crowd. And so I got up close there, which was nice. Again, still no frickin' pit or anything. It was just a bunch of people. And it was full for them. They had a good crowd. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a big deal for Panopticon to play. And oh, by the way, he's also one of the brewers and owners of Hammerheart, who was making smoked beers and pouring smoked beers. Like, I could have just stood up there all night long and drank upstairs. Oh, I haven't told you. I'll tell you later about my smoked beer and some guy wearing a suit jacket that was with Dave Bustain.

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We ended up having a long conversation about smoked beers. Oh, really? That was awesome. I'll tell you about it. Yeah. I'm not going to waste time on the podcast. That reminds me, I want to back up again since we're talking about Hammerheart. So we went and we found their booth upstairs and we tried both of the beers. And one of the guys working for Hammerheart there, his name was Tanner. He didn't think I was going to remember that, but his name is Tanner. And the other guy,

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I don't think I caught his name, but thanks to him, too. He's the one that I was like, their booth, they had, you know, shirts hanging up and they were like, you know, these are the sizes. And it says, ask us about 3X. I'm like, hi, I'd like to ask you about 3X. And I think Tanner turned to the other guy. Another guy was like, yeah, we've got a couple. They're not like these ones, though. But he's like, and he's like, hold on a second. He pulled out like two shirts that were like bundled up with tape.

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And he's like, these are the two we have. This one is, I don't know what it was. I think it was the stag head looking one. But it was like white instead of red. And then the other one, he said, this is for the All Hail the Dark Gourd. And it like has this like Halloween-ish type like pumpkin dude on the front. And it says Hammer Heart. And it's just like, you know, awesome artwork. And on the back it says All Hail the Dark Gourd. And I was like, yes, give me that.

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So that was cool. But anyway, I wanted to shout out to Tanner because we had a nice little conversation. He asked about the podcast. I gave him a card. And also he was wearing an Ophthalomia shirt and we had a nice little conversation about It, who just passed recently. So it was very cool to talk to somebody. Exactly. These guys are looking at me like, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. So it was cool to come across somebody who knew that band. And so, yeah, we watched Panopticon.

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Sounded fucking amazing. I'm sitting there in front of the stage watching Austin and you know you see guys play fast all the time. But usually it's like you can barely their hand barely moves. They're just picking. He was like a fucking hummingbird wings with because he was he was courting not just like you know playing solos and he was his fucking arm was just jackhammering these chords so fast. I was like oh my god. It was like

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so precise and amazing and I kind of man crushed on him a little bit. I have to say I came down because Adam had to do an interview with Dave Mustaine so I left I said I'm gonna go check out Panopticon and I came down and found a spot two-thirds of the way back and then you eventually I've hooked up with you down there and I was like fuck these guys are awesome I mean they've only played a hand a couple shows they sound great. And it's basically a one-man band Austin's one-man band so we had to get a get a crew to play live.

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And they got a good reception. And his set was ballsy. They did things that you would think they wouldn't do in a metal show. They had that long chant that went on for about three or four minutes. And then he said, well, we're going to play another heavy song. Then we're going to do kind of a not-so-heavy song. It's off the new album. And they did this real mellow, just him and the drummer. Yeah, it was awesome. It was kind of a bluegrass-y, even like Johnny Cash-ish, almost.

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And it was ballsy too on top of that, which I thought was cool. In a weird sort of way, and we talked about this at Maryland Death Fest, you had all these great bands and it was nice to just kind of like, wow, this is kind of nice chill out music for a little while. Like at Death Fest, we always say, it would be great just every now and again, just play like a doom band. Let's just slow it down a little bit. So it was very welcoming. It was a great song. And his clean vocals were really good live. I was like, okay, I get what you're doing.

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But you should really do something that also allows you to utilize those great clean vocals you have too because that was amazing. Which makes me think I really want to check out the new album coming out you know that he talked about at some point. So yeah I agree. I was very surprised and that was a high. Cripstern was a highlight but Panopticon definitely was my highlight. And then from me I know you guys are going to talk about the next bands it was all beer after that. All beer all the time. Yeah next up was Immolation and I'm going to pass that one over to Will because

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because neither John or I were particularly taken with it. Not that it was bad. It was just not our thing. Oh, I love Immolation. You guys are fools. Fools! You are fools! Fool you! I love Immolation. I've liked them for a gazillion years. They're an old school death metal band out of New York. They put on a phenomenal show. What was great about Last Night is every band sounded almost perfect.

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Arthur was doing the sound for everything.

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He wasn't.

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Okay.

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It's funny you should say that because the second time that we talked with Dan from

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Chemist, he came by and he was kind of concerned.

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I think this was during municipal waste.

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He was a little concerned about the sound because it kind of sounded like shit.

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And we kind of agreed that by that time of the night, it didn't sound as good as it had

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when like Crypt Sermon was playing and Panopticon was playing.

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And so, yeah. So Dan told us, if it doesn't sound good, come up front and give him the signal. And he's going to be like, my appendix just exploded so they can leave the stage. Immolation played a lot of new songs off their new album. I think the new album is called Atonement. I loved it. I thought it was great. It was one of my highlights. I mean, every band was great last night, I thought. Yeah, I thought they sounded good. It's just we were drinking beers.

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You don't have to feel bad walking away from a band at this thing. Because you're going to run into like 18 people you know. And you're going to drink some beers. And you can still hear the band playing. But you don't have to be barraged with heavy sound. You can be upstairs like we were a number of times drinking beer up there. And still hear them. And there's screens all over the place. Yeah. And it's a huge bar that blocks all the sound coming through. Even though it's open on both ends to go out to the balcony. So yeah.

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And I think it was around this time that we'll lead into Will's story. But John and I were like, no, we're fucking hungry. And so we went to the bar because they had a little like, you know, bar food menu. Oh, actually, I should back that up again. This is where when you had the beer bracelet, you got a little plastic cup with like the decibel logo on there or whatever. And you could take this to all the different breweries and you could get it.

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get a sample pour from all of them. You don't have to pay anything. It was included in your ticket price. And I lost a cup and I broke a cup. And then by that point, they were out of cups. And so they were handing out these little like NyQuil sized fucking medicine cups. And John and I got those and we're like, yeah, we're not going to drink out of these. So John, much more cojones than myself, went up to one of the bartenders and finally made him understand that he would like

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the full-sized plastic cups.

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I kept saying, I don't want this.

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And I pointed and shook my head.

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And I pointed yes to the big cups.

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And the guy's like, well, what do you want?

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I'm like, I want a big fucking cup.

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He goes, okay.

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He hands me around, I go, well, I'm going to need two.

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I go, what?

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Two fucking cups.

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So that leads to a whole other story.

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But after we got that, we...

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We were going to order food.

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Yeah, we tried to order food from the guy.

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And he's like, there's at least a 45-minute wait on food. And we're like, we're not going to stand here for 45 minutes and wait eating for our food. That's ridiculous. So let me add, at this point, there was a slight nuclear tremor from George. Like, I'm not waiting for this. And then he's like, well, if we have to leave early, we're leaving early. I want to eat. And so Mount Vesuvius was starting to percolate. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't even hangry.

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No, but we ended up getting full pour beers because I had the big cups. So we're like, fuck, we got to eat. So we're standing out and there's two merch areas. There's the front entrance merch area. Then you come in through the doors, which are open, and there's like a back merch area. And then you go into the venue. And I went up to the security guards and I asked about going to the bowling alley to eat. Guy says, dude, you're going to wait longer than you would here. And I said, oh, so I got this media pass badge. That won't let me go in and out? He's like, no, but you can go eat at the food truck.

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that's right down the street from here. And I said, George said, we got to drink our beers. We're going to go to the food truck. We literally walked down to the food truck, hung out with some douchebags drinking at the distillery right next door, and got this boatload of food. Like, I got a foot-wide quesadilla for $6.50. Yeah, I got like a full-on Chipotle baby diaper for like $6.50 as well. It was massive, and it was good. Shame on you saying Chipotle. I didn't say Chipotle. I said Chipotle. No, I'm saying

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Shame on even mentioning them.

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I mean,

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well,

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it's just a frame of reference.

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The Chipotle baby diaper.

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It's like this massive pile of turd.

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But anyway,

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uh,

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so we go back in and we're like,

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where are we going to eat?

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And,

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oh,

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and,

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and I,

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I gotta say is cool.

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I had like all my keys and my recorder and all this stuff.

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And the security guy was like,

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yeah,

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you can go out and go to the truck,

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but we got,

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we'll have to wind you when you come back in.

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And I'm like,

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all right,

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I'm using a tag all my shit up.

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We get our food.

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We come back.

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He just let me in anyway. He didn't even check any of my pockets. I had a knife on me all night. Yeah, I think it was just a formality of he's like, I have to be seen wanting you. And I had talked to these guys, him and the guy I was working with like three times. They couldn't have been any nicer. So we got our food and came back in the venue. And then we're like, well, where do we eat? And by this point, the place was pretty full. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm getting to it. And so we're like, hey, let's, I was like, let's try and go back up to the press area.

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It was at least quieter there and they had tables and chairs and stuff. So we get up there again with the, oh no, you can't go in there. Oh yes, you can. And we get in there and there's nobody in there. The lights are out over the bar. It's mostly dark in there. And we're like, oh, all right. This is our own private lounge here. We go and we sit down, we're eating and whatever. And I noticed that the table was still set up where they had been signing and there was a Unibrew beer sitting there, half drank, where Dave had been sitting. And I'm like, that's Dave's beer.

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But anyway. Wait, wait. He says, that's Dave's beer. And I say, I can't believe he left fucking half a beer sitting there. Wasteful rock stars. So then I kick you over to Will. Yeah, so I was looking for you guys. I don't know if you texted me or something. I was like, I don't know where they are. I'm like wandering all over the place looking for you guys. I'm like, well, maybe they're up in the press room. So I go up there and it's the same thing. Like, oh, you can't go in there. And you show your media wristband. It's like, oh, you can go in there. He's like, there's nobody in there except like two dudes eating. I'm like, oh, I know who's in there.

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And then literally I walk in after the guy tried to convince me there's no point in going in there. And there I walk in on the left is you two guys just sprawled out on these couches eating. I'm like, yep, that's them. Two dudes in there eating. I know who they are. Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty good, too. I was hungry. Yeah, yeah. We asked the guy if the truck was going to be there tonight. He said he wasn't sure, but hopefully they are.

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I got food from the bar and I got like this breakfast sandwich was like you know like an egg McMuffin kind of thing and these like tater tot nacho things was tater tots with covered in what would normally be nachos it was really good it was expensive but it was good yeah it seemed like it worked for you guys because you could place an order and you're already pouring so your time would go by pretty fast we were just standing like what are we gonna do just stare at the bar because you have to wait for the food then you know so yeah so uh so then municipal waste was on

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I've seen them a couple of times already. So I mean, I like Municipal Waste, but I'm not like, woohoo, Municipal Waste, you know, the thrill is gone sort of thing. It's like, yeah, you know, I'll listen, I'll watch them, okay. But we just kind of, I think at this point we wandered around with Warren from Black Flag. Oh yeah, that's right, Warren was there, like completely like, hey, there's Warren. So Warren is the head brewer at Black Flag in Columbia, Maryland. And he always comes to all the different,

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We have Atlas. He's a great dude. Always makes great beer. It was awesome to see him just wandering around in his battle vest. I'm like, hey, there's Warren. Yeah, it was like the third time we met him. I think the first time I saw him was at the Overkill show and then again at the Atlas last week. The third time was the charm. I was like, you know, it was good. Yeah, Municipal Waste was great. They're like the perfect band because they love drinking beer and talking about drinking beer. They even played their song

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and then the drummer Dave Whitty was like who was the ambassador for heavy metal and beer. Like he's one of the guys who started getting Three Floyds I think to link up bands with Three Floyds to make metal beers. Like he's the one who introduced the guys from Pig Destroyer to make Permanent Funeral at Three Floyds which won a silver medal GABF in like 2013-ish or something. Nice. Yeah they sounded good and that was the first like crazy ass pit that

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I saw the night. No, immolation had a big pit. You just weren't paying attention. Right. That's why I said that I saw. I assumed there would be one for immolation, but it looked like the municipal waste guys really were bringing it. They were fucking shit up, apparently, as the song lyrics apparently go. And so then the headliner of the evening was agoraphobic nosebleed. And I know there are a lot of rabid agoraphobic nosebleed

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lead fans. John and I were not one of those people. I wanted to stay and check out a couple songs because, first of all, they are a well-known and respected band. And Scott Hall of Pig Destroyer plays guitar. And I will say that Scott was playing his fucking balls off up there. I was like, wow. But there was no drummer. I don't know if it was a recorded live drummer. No, that's a joke. It's a drum machine. It's a drum machine. It's a Dave Witte from...

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got his picture taken with the agoraphobic

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nosebleed drummer which is a drum machine so it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek kind of

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thing um but yeah no it's a drum machine and uh uh basically we we didn't stick around for the

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the rest of their set because it was just it wasn't for us but i know you're friends with one of

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the guys so maybe you can talk to it a little yeah um i saw so i'm friends like not like i'm a i'm a

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I'm a good acquaintance with Richard Johnson, the co-lead singer of Agoraphobic Nosebleed. So I met him literally at a backyard barbecue at my house because his girlfriend is best friends with my neighbor. And then when I met him the first time, he's like, oh yeah, I'm in Drugs of Faith. I'm like, oh yeah, I know Drugs of Faith. I know your band and stuff like that. And then I didn't realize it was later that I knew that he was in Agoraphobic Nosebleed. But yeah, I mean, it's a grindcore band with a drum machine and co-lead singer.

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There's a very petite female co-lead singer. With blue hair. Yeah, I thought it was green or something. Yeah, blue hair. But yeah, I mean, they killed it. I mean, they closed out the night and they did a great job. I mean, there was not one disappointment for me for any of the bands that played the sound, the set. I will say, though, I wish Crip Sermon, Steve, if you're listening, you didn't play Heavy Riders. I really wanted to hear Heavy Riders last night. And I even mentioned it as much to him.

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And so the last thing I have to say about the evening was as we were walking out, the merch area was actually pretty empty at this point. And I was like, oh, right. I wanted to see about getting the festival Pig Destroyer shirt. I was like, I'm sure at this point in the evening, they're not going to fucking have any. Certainly not my size. And we stopped by a booth because they had one hanging up there. And it's like, hey, do you have any of the Pig Destroyer?

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And he's like, yeah. I was like, but I'm sure you don't have any in 3X. And he's like, you mean like this? And I was like, gimme. And so I got the fucking Festival Pig Destroyer shirt. I have a feeling I'm going to go home. My wife will kill me, but I'm going to come home with like 15 new T-shirts. Yeah, well, Dan said that chemists had 3Xs, so I'm going to get one of those today, hopefully. And so that'll be at least 3 for me.

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I only have one shirt. I have the festival shirt. That's it. You got to get that one. The one, the logo for the metal and beer fest. Oh, yeah. That was the one. They only had two X though, right? Yeah. So not in my cards. Not until I've become more felt, which is not fucking happening. So it's no point in buying the damn shirt. All right. So then today, today is the day where I'm looking forward to slightly

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more bands than I was yesterday. Today opens with Cemetery Piss, a Baltimore band that I've only recently come to know about and enjoy. I was a little bit put off by their name because I thought it was a little silly. But when I listened to it. Really? Silly. Cemetery Piss. What is that like? I'm in a cemetery and I have to take a whiz. I don't know. I mean, it's not offensive. It's just kind of like, what? A lot of bad news. Anyways. Yeah.

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My point is only that there's so many stupid band names. I'm not saying that one's stupid, but like, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, it's just like, you know, generally bands that involve bodily functions or things like that are not bands that I enjoy. But I, because they were going to be here, I checked them out and I was like, wow, this is actually really pretty cool. And so I bought the album and I believe Will bought it as well. Yeah, I did. Absolutely. And they're opening the show today, so I'm definitely looking forward to that.

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Then after that is Falls of Roros, which by the way, the drummer from Falls of Roros presumably was playing with Panopticon yesterday. That's my understanding that he's the live drummer for Panopticon. And Falls of Roros, I believe they're like a, like, you know, Oregon or Washington kind of band, black metal. I believe, I believe our friend Joel is acquainted with at least one of the guys in the band. Joel Violetta. Violetta.

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the man himself. And they just put out a new album. And it's kind of cool. So I'm definitely looking forward to seeing them. Then this next band, I guess they're from Denver. They're called like Chemists or something like that. Yeah, pretty much the whole reason I'm here this weekend was because I wanted to see Chemists. So definitely looking forward to that. What about you guys? Any

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to say on that? Definitely looking forward to chemists. That's my day two band that I want to see. And especially after spending some time with the guys, you know, it makes it even more enjoyable to see them live. Yeah, it's just the nicest dudes to hang out with and stuff. So, yeah. Oh, I got to tell my patch story. So, somewhere between when they were on and now, I ordered a chemist patch from their band camp site. Because I, as

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As the boys are in front of mocking me, I am wearing my new battle vest on this maiden voyage this weekend. And it is the size of a ship sail, by the way. It is a 3X, so it is freaking huge. There's a lot of patches on there. Yeah, it weighs three and a half pounds. And so anyway, I ordered a chemist patch from their band camp site. And a few days later, I got an email from PayPal saying your money has been refunded on this.

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from chemists. And I was like, aw, damn it. They must have been sold out or something. And I opened the email and it says, your money's been refunded. And then there was a note from Dan that said, we would be honored to have your, our patch on your battle vest. And he's like, I'll be shipping it out soon. And so I was like, how cool is that? You know, I mean, it was only like six bucks or seven bucks or something like that. And it's not like, you know, but just the, the, the thought of him,

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doing that because he knew us was a really nice gesture, I thought. And yeah. So anyway, I just wanted to tell that story because Dan is a really nice guy. So then up after Camus is Withered. And this is probably the one band today that I don't really care about. But I bet Will likes them. Do you like Withered? Yeah, I do. It's like a blackened death.

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I think I just bought their new album that just came out. So I was checking that out the last couple days. Yeah, I like them. Cool. John, do you have any opinion on these guys? I'm probably drink beer and listen to them that way. Yeah, maybe they sound better that way. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know anything about them. It's nothing personal. I'll just hang out and have some beers I haven't had yet because apparently we haven't had as many as we thought we did. Yeah, we only there's something

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like 32 different beers here and we only checked in like 13 last night so we got some work to do tonight boys and i have to say that i'm going to be double up doubling up on a bunch of beers too because there's so many good beers here it's ridiculous not to because i don't know if i'll ever get them again like for instance i don't know if you had will nazareth from true their double ipa yeah it was really good and apparently they only released that once a year so i'm like well i gotta have that again so there's a few beers like that you know the

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Was it Wig Splitter from Three Floyds I actually liked a lot. And there's breweries I haven't had yet that I have to definitely check out. I heard at least two other people comment on the Wig Splitter and how good that was. Well, yeah, and Permanent Funeral obviously is awesome, like we mentioned already, but there's just so many to choose from. I mean, I might hit up Hammerheart again just because their stuff was so good. And maybe I'll talk to the dude about smoked beer again that I didn't know that was apparently affiliated with Dave Mustaine. He looked like the, I don't always,

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is XYZ, but when I do, he looked like that guy, the most amazing, interesting man in the world guy. It's funny because people keep asking me who we're with, and anytime I need to get anywhere, I say, well, you know, Atlas, we're with one of the brewers from Atlas. That's not a lie. Okay, go ahead. Every time I'm like, well, this is great. Well, this guy, my smoked beer buddy, we were talking back and forth. I mentioned you like smoked beers, and you

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You're the end of that. Who are you with? And I said, I'm with just about everybody. Like that. So he looked at me and said, all right, cool. I get it. And I didn't realize this guy's probably like some record executive. I know, you're like, Metalhead's podcast, goddammit. Yeah, and he's the heroine, I'm talking to this guy in a suit jacket. I'm just sitting in my enslaved teeth. Wait, is it the older, really thin guy? With the beard? Yeah, yeah, he's with the, he did a TV interview. He's with, I got their card, I talked to him, and,

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Yeah, he's with a TV channel. I think it's an internet TV channel. It's all about beer. Oh, okay, because there were tons of people hanging around him, both old dudes, young dudes, men, women. Everyone wanted to talk to this guy. I didn't know who he was. He was the most interesting man in the show. Apparently, we had a good talk about smoked beers. All right, so after Withered is Pig Destroyer tonight.

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local band and we've all probably seen blake a million times around town uh i have not seen pig destroyer yet so i'm looking forward to that same for me i've never seen him so i'm looking forward to it they don't play live that off i mean they all have day jobs and stuff so um yeah i can't wait yeah yeah should be good and uh yeah anyway uh so then the headliner for tonight is sleep i want to be trashed for their set we gotta find you take your shirt off too

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We already have one person on stage without a shirt on. We don't need anybody in the audience. Yeah, so you know, Sleep gets mentioned on the podcast a lot because of their long-ass album, Dope Smoker. So it'll be cool. I've seen High on Fire, but I have not seen Sleep. So somebody, was it Dan? Dan was emphatic that we need to just be right in the middle of the venue, just absorb like these

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Yeah, he said it was like, clothing's gonna rumble. I've never seen High on Fire, but I have seen Sleep once when they played the 930 Club. I guess it was last year sometime. But they put on a phenomenal show. I mean, it is just be prepared. Yeah, that's funny because I've probably seen High on Fire the most of anyone and I probably like the least amount of anyone in the group. I've probably seen them, I don't know, 10 or 12 times. I mean, they did that long tour with Opeth.

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So I saw them so many times. I mean, I liked them live. They were cool. So I'm looking forward to seeing if my shoes are going to melt while I'm standing there. Yeah. Should be an interesting evening. So we have to pace ourselves, get lots of water, and enjoy. And we will... I'm guessing that we're probably not going to have Will to do a post-mortem because you have to leave early. Yeah, I got to leave super early to get back to D.C.

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So unless we do some interesting recordings tonight after the show or we just get on Skype or something. Something. Yeah. Well, we'll get you to take one way or another. So at the very least, John and I will record something either tonight or on the ride back tomorrow and tell you about how tonight goes. So until then, see ya. Hello. And this is George.

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This is Brew Metal Well. And this is John. And it is now the early morning of Monday, April 24th, I believe it is. The first annual Decibel Metal and Beer Fest is in the books. It is done. We are about done. But this is our story. The greatest part about what you just said, aside from the fact that you sound like you're half asleep,

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is that it was the first annual. Yes. Because we do have inside information that this could be like an annual thing. So the Despo Magazine Metal and Beer Fest. Holy shit. Is that Keifer Sutherland? That sure is. Sorry. Say hey Keifer how you doing man? Sorry we're like we're in the hotel room. We just got back from the Metal Fest. Stand By Me movie is on. I think it's River Phoenix and it's Keifer Sutherland which sorry. It's like 30 years ago. I haven't seen this movie in like a good time.

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Anyway, no one cares about that. So the point being is that I think this will happen next year. Yes, I sure hope so. We talked to multiple sources from Decibel who all want this to happen again. And if it's in Philly every goddamn year, I am extremely happy, man. Or even Baltimore. No, Philly. That's because, you know, that's what I was referencing. Philly.

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Because Philly's a lot closer than Baltimore for us, right? No, because Philly's way cooler than Baltimore. I will give you that. Yes. There's an entire record store just of heavy metal. Does Baltimore have that? Yes. All right. I don't give a shit. So Philly's is still cooler. Yeah. So before we got to the show today, the three of us went out. The guys took me to Monk's Cafe, which

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is apparently world famous though I've never heard of it but now I have and it was good food and good beers so thank you for that and then we went to the reason I mentioned this was because then after that we went to this really great record store called vinyl altar it was a heavy metal vinyl shop here in Philly altar being like like worship at the altar not like altering changing yeah yeah yeah yeah you're not gonna alter your vinyl you're gonna worship at the vinyl

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And John and I picked up some vinyl while Will walked around and made fun of people who had vinyl. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Why do you buy this stuff? Anyway, so then from there we went to the venue and like yesterday we got ourselves some cups and we John and I started drinking but that didn't last all that long.

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They literally, you know, Decibel did so, so many things right. The one thing that they, I shouldn't say they got wrong or they didn't get right, but they, so today, yesterday they had the plastic logo cups, but they were like so super cheap plastic that they would break everyone through them out. And they were like the one or two ounce, whatever little glasses. Today they just gave everyone these little flimsy Dixie cups. Like literally the first one I poured for somebody,

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It leaked out the bottom. I'm like, come on. Jesus Christ. Yeah, if you're going to include the drinks and everything within the ticket price, spring for, if not a pint glass, then they make smaller beer glasses. My wife has one. Yeah, like a two or three ounce logo glass, like a piece of glass. This is what you get. And then if you lose it, sorry, tough shit, but everyone will hold on to it. The little plastic ones, they were breaking.

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And everyone just threw them out. Or at least a harder plastic like the, I don't know, like the frickin' tumblers that we have for, you buy them like three for a frickin' dollar at the store. They're a thicker plastic, you know. Anyway, something that would be a little more sturdier. Will's looking at me like I'm a fuckin' maniac. I don't know. I'm just saying. Something that, I mean, glass, they probably don't want to give people glass. Everybody's gonna be running around fuckin' smashing fuckin' pint glasses on everybody's head, but.

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I was just like how long can I stare at George weirdly and will he get freaked out by at some point 3.2 seconds it's late at night yeah anyway so I don't know that anything happened before the first band really I mean just we got a couple of beers and so the first band if I may get to that cemetery

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I like their album as I believe I mentioned earlier and I liked them live too they they sounded good you know the the the vocals are maybe a little screechy but he he enunciates well and stands out from the music and I don't know what it is but like both days I think the best sound was the first band of the day it was the clearest and crispest sound and but I don't know I thought they were really good I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don

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I don't know if it's because there was hardly anybody in there. The din of the voices was lower. It was like all you heard was purely the sound of the band. That's what I can think of. But yeah, Cemetery Piss sounded great. I was pouring. That was like the one point tonight. I was pouring beer for Atlas. I was doing Cemetery Piss. And then pretty much the entire time I was on the, we were interviewing people. I was on the floor like watching bands. So kudos to Dan and Corey for,

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covering the booth all night as I completely enjoyed myself. Yes. And somewhere around the end of Cemetery Piss, we went and did an interview with Scott and Blake from Pig Destroyer. And that was a good time. And you'll hear that after this. And then we went back down just in time for the beginning of Falls of Roros. Yes.

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And I know this because as I was walking up the right side to get close to the stage, Austin from Panopticon, who was, I believe he had a Falls of Roros back patch on his vest, comes barreling down and just sort of like shoulders me aside as he's like, must get to stage. That's not an easy thing to do to shoulder you aside. He's not a diminutive person himself.

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So I didn't take it as an affront or anything. I think it was incidental contact. Collateral damage. I'm like, all right, go ahead, man. It was a good no call there. No foul, no call. Yeah, exactly. And I kind of like these guys. As I was telling John, the vocals are a little screechy for me.

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I like black metal vocals in various styles, but like sometimes people hit this pitch that it just kind of grates on me. And I thought the music sounded wonderful. And to be honest, the vocals weren't as screechy live as they were recorded, which is frequently the case. So I dug that. Did either of you guys have any comment on them? I was like, nah, I didn't pay any attention. Yeah, I was pouring beer and I wasn't really paying much attention.

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I only saw him for a few songs and it was alright. That's all I have to say about it.

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That's all you've got to say about it.

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But I really really liked it.

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I can't believe that by that point it was already Chemist.

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Holy titty fucking shit. Chemist was unreal.

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Like literally it was like I am the biggest atheist in the world but that was like a religious experience.

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So is it safe to say that next year the beer will be, "Hail Satan, worship chemists!" It could, yes. Absolutely could. Probably the closest I came to that religious experience is at some point when I was studying abroad in Australia. I'll leave it at that, but like, holy crap. Was that like the time that you and the Aboriginal man made "Sweet Love Under the Stars"? Maybe. Something like that, yeah.

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I went there and then you just dropped it like I'm not gonna say anything about that don't worry about like but literally that chemist was unbelievable that will go down in my history of shows of just it was unbelievable and I was right in the front and it uh yeah yeah I started off right up on the railing which was the only time I was there uh this weekend because this is the only time that I was like must be on railing um wait were you

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I was a little bit to the right of Dan. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I was like more center. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, I spent like the first two songs there, I think. Uh, cause you know, I wanted to be up close, wanted to see the guys and, uh, you know, as expected, the sound was not terribly good right up on the stage. No, it wasn't. And I was expecting you to like do the hand and arm signals to Dan, like, like, but I'm glad you did.

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Because they would have stopped playing. Yeah, no. I mean, I was actually, like, avoiding eye contact with Dan. Just because I didn't, I mean, honestly, he told me that as a joke. I wasn't expecting that he was really going to look to me to be like, what's the song like? So I was erring on the side of, I don't want him to think that I'm actually trying to signal him. Let me say, I keep hearing on the podcast that bass players don't count, or they're unnoticeable.

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He was really cranking out. He was ripping. Yes. He was. Yes. Like, up there, as far as stage presence and importance with Steve Harris, easily hands down. And maybe Tom Mariah, too. All of those guys, they just had, you know, obviously Zach's not moving around much other than, you know, flailing his arms with the sticks. No offense to Zach. But the rest of the guys, they really, they had the moves down.

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They brought an energy to the songs that was undeniable. Yeah, without being campy and doing all the traditional head bobs and guitar flips and all that shit. They were just, they had groove. Yes. You know? Great way to put it, groove. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, no, that was great. So then after the first two songs, we moved back to the middle, and it was a little better there. Yeah, it should be stated, those two songs were like about, what, 17 minutes or something?

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So we were up there for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think they only played, what, about 35 minutes, I think. Yeah. So, and then, like, the last song they played, Hunted, I actually think that was the best. I don't know if somebody tweaked something right before that song. There wasn't a lot of high end in their frequency range. It was just, I mean, obviously they're a heavy band and there's a lot of low end. But, like, the guitars and the vocals were really kind of, like, not,

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Yeah. Punching through. But the last song, somebody must have tweaked something. Somebody realized the trouble was on one. Oh, shit. Yeah. And so it was a bit clearer and even better. But, you know, sonic deficiencies notwithstanding, it was a great set. Yeah. For me, of the entire two days, and maybe it's because we sort of have a personal connection.

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the show and after the show the lead singer of chemists and like we all know zach we know dan and

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the only guy i never really think i ever talked to was ben the lead guitar player but

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like just unbelievable like there was it was just it's hard to describe just how awesome that set was and just how

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so i was like very front just to the left of center stage like but right up there in the front

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And just the energy of everyone around me who was just... And I was hanging out with Albert from Decibel. He was right there. And he was going crazy because that's his number one band of this year. Last year. Yeah, 2016. So it was kind of cool to just be in that vibe around Albert who was watching, maybe for the first time, his number one band of,

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last year. So it was, it was, there was a cool factor all the way around, regardless of that part. Like, I, it's hard for me to explain it because it was just, it almost took me by surprise how like, like great that set was. Yeah. And, uh, I believe, and maybe you don't want to talk about this, but maybe you do. Uh, I believe you spoke to someone at a particular brewery that is local to us about the possibility of

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of a band that they should maybe try and acquire for next year's festival that they do. Looking at me like you didn't know. Like Oliver Ailes? Oh yeah, Brandon from DC Brow was there tonight. I may have suggested that. It's something to think about. Was it you? Yes, it was me. That's cool though. That's why you didn't know what I'm talking about. It wasn't you. Sorry about that. How does this relate to chemists?

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I was talking with Brandon and said, "Hey, you know, it might be kind of cool. Just a suggestion. We all liked them. Maybe Chemist plays at DC Brow's 7th anniversary party." Oh, sorry. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm totally lost on what the fuck you guys are talking about. Yeah, sorry. I thought it was next year's Metal and Beer Fest and DC Brow will be invited or... Yeah. And I just said, "Hey, just something to think about. Throw it in a hopper, mix it around and see what you're saying." So I will speak to both things. So yes, next year on DC Brow,

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7th anniversary, yes, have Chemist. And next year, if there is a Dust Bowl magazine, Heavy Metal and Beer Fest, yes, DC Brow should be invited, as should be Oliver Hales, or our good friend Steve Jones. And that should be emceed by the Metalheads podcast. Well, yeah, clearly. I mean, because, yeah. That's what I got there.

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Hey everyone, I'm John with the Metalheads Podcast. Everybody's like, who the fuck are you? Bring out Dan Lilker! I'm here to rock you tonight. By the way, I like how this long conversation with Dan Lilker today about he's going to try and ship me the nuclear hop of salt beer and his wife gave me his card and took a picture. It was her idea. You guys need to get a picture together. I wanted to do that.

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the nerve to go over there. Wait, wait, John did what? He poked me. He didn't literally poke me. He just was like, come on, go do it. It was kind of weird because I said, just go over there and get a picture. And we go over and he's with Adam getting a picture. I was like, oh, maybe he's only like doing it with like cool famous people. But I did go up and get a beer. I was served beer by Dan Lelker. I can at least say that. And I said, Dan, can I shake your hand? And he's like, oh, and he shook my hand. And I said, thank you for all the music.

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You told us three yesterday. No, I didn't. No, no, that was that was what I said to Dave Mustaine as well. This is what I say to heavy metal legends. I don't fucking take up their time telling them fucking 10 minute stories about my dog named whatever. And and you know, I just say thank you for the music. That's what I do. And he said, get the fuck out of here and go away. Yeah, pretty much. He was cool. Yeah. Okay. So we'll show enough.

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me. She's got a picture of Dan Lilliker and they're throwing horns and looking like they're like, what's up? And I don't have that picture. But I do have a picture with Dave Mustaine. Which nobody gives a shit about. I got my picture with Dan Lilliker. That's way cooler than Dave Mustaine. It is way cooler. Yeah, so... Withered. Withered. I'm going to let Will talk about them because he's probably going to be the most enthusiastic one about that.

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I love withered I did not see the whole set because I would well I mean I saw the whole set I heard the whole set but I was pouring beer during that time so again it was like I was weighing in back but they put on a great set I mean I don't really I'm not a big fan of their recorded output but a big part of that is the vocals and I thought that the vocals at least sounded clear live it's just a common theme except for with chemists

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But yeah, I mean, you know, it is death metal. And there you go. So we had hoped to, like, do some interviews during Withered. But that didn't work out that way. There was just everybody's running around doing stuff. It was so busy. So we did not get to do that. You know, and also, I've been to so many festivals. And I think what happens on the last day is you start getting towards the middle of the last day, towards that last third or whatever.

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Everyone's trying to see everyone before they leave. They're trying to see the last bands. It's really hard to get a hold of someone at the end. Yeah. So we hung out. I think we got food then, actually. That was what we did. So then we were waiting for the next band, which was Pig Destroyer. And as you'll hear shortly, there is an interview with Scott and Blake. I've probably already mentioned that.

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But there is that. So we got to see them. That was the first time I got to see those guys play. I don't know. Have you seen them before, Will? Yeah, I saw them two different times. But this was the biggest stage that I saw them on because I saw them at the Black Cat when they released Permanent Funeral, the beer, for the first time. So I saw them there. And then I saw them one other time. I forget where. But yeah, this.

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So my third time seeing

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Pig Destroyer. But we had a great

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great interview with

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Blake and Scott

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from Pig Destroyer which you'll hear at some point

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in this mashup of

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whatever the fuck how this gets edited

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and smashed together.

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But

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it's what I loved about

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the interview with

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Scott and Blake is we

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equally

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from a brewer's point

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standpoint

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we equally talked about music and beer.

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Yeah.

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And Scott is

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as is very enthusiastic about the beer as is Blake so it was like it was just great to like have this cool conversation about like we're literally getting the nitty-gritty of hops and the price of hops like that's how in-depth this conversation got so if this whoever you splice this up George if it's before or after either you already heard this or this is what you have to look forward to exactly and you know it was nice to I've seen Blake around at shows so many times

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as we say in the interview he's sort of like the local ambassador of metal and so it was good to see him finally up on stage doing his thing and it was kind of interesting how you know energetic and bouncy I guess is the word I would use to describe him on stage and he had a lot of energy and no it's cool because he would just walk up to the

01:24:39.240 --> 01:25:09.220
of the stage and he just would give the circle pit circle like get it going what's going on and yeah i'm sorry he he jumped down to in that like that one that the area that's between the stage and the barricade like he jumped down there he's like getting trying to get people all riled up like he like he's the ambassador between beer and metal he's also the ambassador of like just guys let's get going like jumping like if it was a tighter crowd it was a huge crowd but if it was a tighter crowd i have no doubt

01:25:09.260 --> 01:25:39.140
He probably would have got up and body surfed or something, like crowd surfed. Yeah. Speaking of that, there were a lot more people here today, according to the people in charge. But I thought it was still pretty spaced out nice, even though the pit was bigger today, I thought, for them. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you didn't feel like you were an old fart like me. You didn't feel like you were in Jeopardy just getting plowed into by Chicken Man and nine other dudes at the same time. Yeah, Chicken Man was here tonight, all the way from D.C.

01:25:39.260 --> 01:26:08.900
Chicken Man. And what's funny is that all these bands knew about Chicken Man. Yeah. Well, yeah, Pig Destroyer called them out. Yeah. Well, even Adam knew about Chicken Man. Oh, did he? Yeah. All right. Hey, this is George. This is Will. This is John. And we are joined by Scott and Blake from Pig Destroyer. How are you guys doing today? Great. Thank you. How are you doing? Doing well. How are you doing, Blake? I'm hanging in there.

01:26:09.240 --> 01:26:39.220
pretty good shockingly enough after last night. I think that's what we're all saying. We are all saying that right now definitely. I can't think of a show that I've been to lately where Blake hasn't been there even even not a show even at the Atlas Brew Works the other day you're sort of our the the DC Baltimore middle scene the ambassador that's the word I was looking for yeah. So Scott you played last night already with agoraphobic nose blade how was that? It was good there were some

01:26:39.260 --> 01:27:09.200
technical issues with a couple things but it was good. There's some challenges with playing with a drum machine and no visual drummer which you kind of use to help you out in times like that where sound is not optimal to figure out where we are. Yeah, but when you don't have that you're kind of relying on listening for certain things and it's more difficult than seeing something. But it was good. It was a good show. Yeah, you were playing your balls off. That's what I told John. I was like, man, look at him going. And I was thinking about that with the drum machine. It was like, you know, there's no leeway. You've got to keep up with the drum machine or else it's all

01:27:09.300 --> 01:27:38.740
- And then 45 minutes later you're done. So it's like one long song basically. So it was challenging at times because I really lost myself a few times. And I had to look at John or go back to where there was a lot of drums so that I could sort of hear what was going on. But yeah, it turned out pretty good. I mean, that's only our seventh show so we're still trying to figure out what the hell we're doing on stage. - I thought you guys did like a whole European tour. - We've only played in Europe once. I think the Netherlands Death Fest was what we played. - Hellfest 2. - And Hellfest 2 shows in Europe.

01:27:39.240 --> 01:28:09.020
We got some more planned for this year. Yeah, that was last year. So I think between that and the Maryland Death Fest show and the California Death Fest and Housecore, I think we've only played like seven times. Yeah, DC show. So yeah, like seven, this might be our eighth or seventh show. I mean, granted, it's me and John holding down the low end, so we kind of know what we're doing, but it's still a new band, essentially. So it was good. So Pig Destroyer playing tonight. How come you guys don't play so much? Is that jobs and life?

01:28:09.220 --> 01:28:39.200
or, you know, what's going on? You know, I know a few of us have been itching, you know, new material and some shows and whatnot. What's going on? You know, it's different. Like, you're right, it's exactly jobs and life. But, you know, for us, it seems like a broken record saying that all the time. But, you know, I guess people just don't understand, you know, Scott's got a wife and two kids and we all have day jobs, except for John. And, you know, it's we've never really been set up as a touring band. I think the most we've ever done is two weeks straight. And that was in Australia. And when you go that far, you don't want to just pop up.

01:28:39.220 --> 01:29:08.780
back home. But yeah, we're going to play a new song tonight. And a song that we've only ever played one other time, which was one of our videos. So there's some new stuff. And we're working on a new record. Albeit in pig destroyer time, not regular real band time. So that means it could be any time between now and like eternity. Probably next year. We'll be looking forward to that. A festival like this must work for you guys, the setup.

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the way it is. It's a good sized crowd, good sized venue, and shit loads of beer obviously. But I mean this must work if you guys aren't touring that much. Absolutely. I mean we play a lot of festivals and you know I'm not speaking for everybody else but just mostly for me I prefer a club show where it's kind of sweaty and we're kind of more in our environment but festivals you're right festivals do work and this is a little different because it's all friends and we're friends with the decibel guys and obviously Three Floyds guys and you guys and all this stuff so this is has a home of your

01:29:38.900 --> 01:30:08.860
than like you know say Hellfest which has you know however many hundred thousand people and you're 20 fucking miles away from the crowd um so yeah this has a home here like you know more of a intimate feel to it you guys like friends with any of the bands or you know is it like a reunion of any kind with anybody uh yeah absolutely i've known the withered dudes for 20 years so off and on through various different bands but yeah the guys municipal waste we've known them forever oh yeah especially from dave witty from even before municipal waste

01:30:09.820 --> 01:30:38.580
So yeah, there's a lot of like folks that we just sort of like, "Hey, long time no see." You know, Dan Lilliker's back there slinging beer for McKellar, so. It's crazy. Like, Dan is just like, like all day yesterday, even today, he's just like, he's hanging out like, "Hey, someone like..." I know. "Can someone be my friend?" Not that he needs a friend, but like... He's a lifer, I mean, he's got full metal cred. He's an amazing guy. Them and Hammerheart got the shaft because they're upstairs. But they've got the biggest crowd of everybody we've seen, yeah. No, I'll say this, because they've got burial,

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Hammerhart, McKellar, and Hydra. And everyone is chomping at the bit. So they put all four of them together. They have no, trust me, they have no issue. It's hard to get through that area there because of all the people in front of them. Yeah, definitely. We may have spent a little bit of time up here. I'll have to check it out because I didn't even get up here last night. I didn't have any of the beers and I'm a huge beer freak. Oh yeah, so I was going to ask you. So I know, I know you love beer. I know Blake loves beer too.

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But you were in, have you met Adam Tempadellan from The Brutal Truth? So did you meet him? And I've got, I saw him, yeah, we talked a little bit. I'm also in his book. Right, right, so I was going to ask him, because in that book you mention Orange Whip. Yes. Yeah, do you know the Mad Fox guys? Yeah, yeah, so. Do you know Bill? Yeah, very well. Oh, really? I think Will's worked for every brewery in the DCA. Oh, no kidding. No, so I, when I left, so I was a lead brewer at Port City, I left Port City, I opened up,

01:31:39.440 --> 01:32:08.440
Fairwinds Brewing Company down in Lorton and we hired Charlie away, no I shouldn't say away, Charlie came, Charlie was a head brewer at Mad Fox and then Charlie became the head brewer at Fairwinds. I left Fairwinds to become the brewer of Marius and Director of Heavy Metal Operations at Atlas. Wow. Yeah so I definitely know all those, yeah I know them well. So I was like, it was cool to me on a local level because John and I have drank every single one of beers in that book.

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Slobrenocker, have you had Slobrenocker too from Mad Fox? Oh really, no kidding. So when we saw like, oh Scott, okay from Pig Shirt, oh he's like literally naming a local, I mean obviously it's 100% Citra beer. Yeah, well you've had, I mean and it's dry hopped, I mean you can, when it's fresh, it tastes like a resin, hop resin, like it's, and that's the way Permanent Funeral does, like when it's really, really like fresh, you just taste it. Like they must have dry hopped it forever because you just, it feels like you're just biting into a hop cone. You know, it's great. And I'm,

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I mean I know Citra is a really like trendy thing but I mean I'm a sucker for that sort of citrusy. It can be trendy. I know it's three times as much to source that stuff than it is other. Oh it's really expensive. I mean I looked at like per unit like you get mosaic or cascade for like what $10 a unit whatever it was. It's usually like up by a pound so it's like $11 a pound is about. It was like three times that for Citra. Oh yeah yeah yeah because it's in high demand. And it's also just Yakima Valley is that it? It's only Yakima Valley? It may be yeah I'm not a 100% sure. Yeah I mean it's

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It's a US hop. Is it proprietary? Or can other people just... No, no, I think it's proprietary so no one else is doing it. That really sucks. He's like waving his wand in front of everybody. Need a couple wands going on there. I love that beer though. Orange Whip is fantastic. Yeah, it's great beer. I wish he would bottle that. He won't. He just wants people to come in. You probably know. What's great about it is when you say it's always fresh because when they brew it, they're done with it in a couple days. It's gone. If you have it, it's never stale.

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Now they're keeping it as a perpetual thing. They actually have it on tap all the time.

01:33:43.500 --> 01:33:46.060
But it still runs out so fast. Oh it does. It does.

01:33:46.400 --> 01:33:49.320
I live right down the street from there. Oh you do?

01:33:49.530 --> 01:33:52.060
You always run by and it's always crowded. Yeah. Yeah so yeah.

01:33:52.280 --> 01:33:54.980
I always go in off times to film my growlers. Yeah. So you're in Falls Church?

01:33:55.630 --> 01:33:57.880
Yeah like the Falls Church. Do you go to Commonwealth?

01:33:59.440 --> 01:34:01.920
Uh no. There's a little beer store that does growlers.

01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.880
Commonwealth? Yeah Commonwealth it's on seven.

01:34:05.860 --> 01:34:07.980
Go to Dominion. I mean Dominion.

01:34:11.440 --> 01:34:36.060
I don't live in Falls Church anymore. Commonwealth is a brewery from Ocean City Salisbury that they have beers from that are really good. Okay, sorry. Dominion. I'm living in Dominion all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Crowlers are awesome, man. I love Crowlers. But yeah, there's a lot of really good beers at that place, too. So that whole little strip is kind of nice there. Yeah. I forgot what it was. Was there a question that I way over answered? No.

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We do that though, we just sort of meander through. Yeah, right. Once you start talking beer. That's the thing I'll never really do, man, because I know that I would not be any good. I would contaminate something, I would fuck something up, and it would just be a batch of shitty beer. To me, it's a tremendous pain in the ass, man, because like, you gotta disinfect everything, and you're just so nervous about it when you start doing it at home, and it's time consuming, and you're like, well, I just fucked that up. You gotta wait four months to find out you did that. You're like, you're some bummer.

01:35:08.320 --> 01:35:38.240
Zymatic, the Pico brews, Zymatic, and he's brewing some stellar beer. I guess you just punch up whatever recipe there is, you know, and just feed it through that. You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's actually done some really good. Well, it's not Keurig. It's more involved than that, but it is sort of like a turnkey situation where you just let it sit and ferment for a couple weeks afterwards. That's kind of nice. It's good. I mean, he's done some really good beers with it. You know the guys at Aslan and all? I do not know them personally. I mean,

01:35:38.320 --> 01:36:07.700
I know of them. I never met them. I never been to Aslan. They got a couple double IPAs that kind of taste suspiciously like Orange Whip. And I'm like, the guy from... You know what I mean? Orange Whip is 100% citra hop beer. So if you just make 100% citra hop beer. And Aslan does a lot of the New England style. So yeah, it's going to taste like that. Have you guys had permanent funerals since you've been here? Yeah. I might have had a little too much of it.

01:36:08.820 --> 01:36:36.840
It's not even your real house. No, I actually, I don't really like hoppy beers for the most part, but that one kind of grows on me because it's a citra hops and it's not your traditional just bitter as fuck. Yeah. Slap you in the face. But yeah, I had to, we took a picture with Richard Christie drinking it with all of us. And then I had the char walls of Dan beer and he had the permanent funeral. Oh, nice. And I found that picture on my phone today. I don't remember doing that.

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There's a couple pictures on my phone. I found this morning. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I definitely had it here. I prefer it a little more on draft because it seems like it airs out a little bit better. But yeah. George had his first experience yesterday with it. Yeah, I finally, because Will wasn't sharing with me. Oh yeah, I juice Will up all the time. I bring the bottle here and there. I know, but he didn't share it with me. No, I'm just kidding. I just wasn't around to have it. I made him go first beer. I think it is definitely fresher. I mean, it kind of

01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:37.640
It does because it oxidizes. Yes, it oxidizes because it's such the hops fall off the first and when you have such a hoppy beer and you're packaging in a bottle. Yeah, so packaging in a bottle rather than a keg. Yeah, it's gonna oxidize a little faster when you have that many hops and that it's gonna fall a little faster. It's a high enough alcohol that it's not the oxidation is not gonna affect it as much but that many hops in it. But you can taste it. Yeah, yeah. You can taste the oxidized hops. I mean that's the thing.

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I've been kind of spoiled because there's a lot of beers that I think back on it like I need to hop stupid. I mean I love that beer and then all of a sudden I had one and it tasted like crap and I don't think I really realized it was probably an old IPA that just tasted funky and that kind of put me off that beer and I'm kind of careful now because I don't want to be, I don't want to have my favorite beers spoiled you know. Yeah check the dates. Yeah check the dates. I've had some Hyali that was within like two weeks of canning that was like holy shit and then like four weeks of canning completely different beer. Yeah yeah. I've noticed the same

01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:37.100
Yeah, same here. But have you had it within two or three weeks? It's like, yeah. Dominion actually will get something that within a week. This is amazing. You might pick something up a month later. I'm not digging this anymore. It's a spectacular beer. I bought a six-pack one time. I was like, what's the hype about? But then I realized it was probably two months old. Then I had a fresher can. One of my first whales was trading a couple bottles of 120 for Pliny the Elder. I had it and I was like, well, it's pretty good.

01:38:37.660 --> 01:39:07.560
I mean, thinking back on it, it must have been old because then I went to a bar that they had it on tap in Colorado. Yeah, where it was. And it was stellar and that's not what I tasted when I got the bottles. So I'm like, well, maybe it was just old Pliny the Elder, you know, which can happen. And I've had some bad heady topper too, which sucks. I've definitely had some bad heady topper. I mean, it's when that, when that beer is fresh and I mean, that's kind of amazing beer, you know, but when it's bad, it's forget it. I'd like to switch topics and point out that Scott has not tried the Dessa beer yet. Wow. Oh,

01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:35.500
I brewed that no I haven't tried it yet atlas atlas went down with champion and we brewed it and uh Albert from decibels there uh Neil from Krieg was there James the the sales guy yeah right okay so it's atlas so yeah okay I'll have to try that then a champion has it we're not pouring it champions pouring it okay we're we're pouring our hail Satan worship doom beer where are you guys set up we're if you're looking at the stage interesting in the podcast where you set up yeah yeah

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Go down the stairs, we're on the left. We're next to True and between True and... Yeah, we're next to True. I have to try something. Last night I didn't have anything. It's good, huh? Black Saison, dude. I drank your fair share of the last night. I think you and Adam both did. Yeah. A lot of broken glass in our green room. No, no. See, that wasn't me because I would have never pulled out of Sierra Nevada even to look at it. There's a lot of clues you've got to put together. Like, who gave... Who delivered a baby?

01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:07.760
in there last night. So, uh,

01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:13.420
what's going on with hate peak beside the potential beer, but, um,

01:40:13.580 --> 01:40:16.720
there's a potential for us to do a collab with three Floyds,

01:40:16.780 --> 01:40:20.100
a hate peak beer where I'm working with them kind of now. Um,

01:40:20.100 --> 01:40:24.320
I do have a split that supposedly house core is going to put out.

01:40:25.020 --> 01:40:28.340
It's a split with Richard Christie from the Howard Stern show. He was in death,

01:40:29.070 --> 01:40:32.260
uh, but he uses his Guinea pigs as vocalists. I remember you telling me about,

01:40:32.310 --> 01:40:34.520
I talked to actually, I talked to Richard about that last night.

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So that's in the works at some point. I mean, Hey Beak is just kind of like a whenever thing. And, you know, Sparky and John were trying to talk me into performing it live somehow. And I was like, even if I did, what makes you think you guys would be involved? I was like, I play guitar and Mark plays guitar. Why would we have you guys do it? So that's about it. Like we might get together soon. And, you know, it's kind of whenever I come up with thematically the thing. And like the other day, I thought of Birdhouse by the cemetery.

01:41:06.300 --> 01:41:34.520
And like so I might write from that. I found a sample about parrots, some sort of satanic molestation that kids were supposedly going through and it was untrue. But these kids were recounting stories about like, you know, people would abduct them and put them in like, you know, all these like we flew to Brazil today and I'm back by five o'clock for you to pick me up. But all these ridiculous stories, how satanic cult members would abduct them. And then one was that they said that a parrot pecked on their pee pee. So like once I found that sample, I'm like, well, I got to write something.

01:41:34.580 --> 01:41:35.660
I can use that.

01:41:36.580 --> 01:42:05.480
P.P. P.K.R. Yeah. But you, do you have to find a different bird now? I remember talking to you about this before. No, we basically have enough. Enough samples? Samples. Like, it's ours. And, you know, it's kind of just coming through it. I mean, it's not a big secret that we reuse some of the same shit. And I don't really care what anyone thinks about it in the first place. So, yeah, that's basically it. All right. So, I know you guys have to play tonight, but is there anybody today playing that you're looking forward to seeing?

01:42:06.580 --> 01:42:36.500
What's the matter? Was there anybody yesterday that you saw that you know you? I mean this sounds like a little glad handy but you know agoraphobic's always been one of my favorite bands of all time. Always probably even more so than Pig Destroyed sometime in my life when I was younger. The Withered dudes like I said I'm friends with them. I really enjoy watching. It's always fun to watch Municipal Waste. Gets a little blurry after a certain point last night. Yeah I was gonna say with all that beer. I don't remember watching agoraphobic. I might have. I might not.

01:42:37.280 --> 01:42:40.240
I don't remember it like when you mentioned there were

01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:42.840
technical issues I wasn't aware of anything.

01:42:43.440 --> 01:42:44.960
Or that we're even playing.

01:42:45.700 --> 01:42:51.000
No I think somebody told me and I think I kind of wandered out there for a minute was like oh okay.

01:42:52.040 --> 01:42:52.920
What about you Scott?

01:42:53.250 --> 01:42:55.800
Yeah I mean Incantation was killer last night.

01:42:56.320 --> 01:42:56.520
Immolation.

01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:58.040
I'm sorry I meant Immolation jeez.

01:42:58.040 --> 01:42:59.080
I always mix them up too.

01:42:59.280 --> 01:43:03.040
There's no reason for me to do that but I mean I meant yeah Immolation was awesome and

01:43:03.060 --> 01:43:32.620
and the waist is always awesome. They're always a lot of fun. Did you see Dave got a picture with your drummer last night? Yeah, I saw that. As we were setting up for SoundShack, he came and took a picture. That's only one small piece of it, though, to be fair. Just the computer. But yeah, so they're definitely cool to watch it tonight. I don't think I've ever seen Sleep. And I, you know... You're not going to be disappointed. No, I can't wait. They played at the 930 Club. Scott wouldn't leave his house if it was on fire. It's kind of hard.

01:43:33.540 --> 01:43:35.000
I got two kids too!

01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:35.440
Yeah.

01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:40.020
Well, also it's hard because I was on a Sunday night and I get up for work at like 4 o'clock in the morning.

01:43:40.180 --> 01:43:40.340
Ooh.

01:43:40.660 --> 01:43:44.060
So it was kind of difficult. I was that close to going to that show.

01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:45.320
Oh, so cool.

01:43:45.400 --> 01:43:46.660
Oh my god. Was it good?

01:43:47.020 --> 01:43:47.460
Yeah, it was killer.

01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:48.120
I mean, listen.

01:43:48.120 --> 01:43:48.980
Play any dope smoker?

01:43:49.940 --> 01:43:50.760
No, I don't think so.

01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:51.060
No, no.

01:43:51.340 --> 01:43:53.200
They play for like an hour and a half.

01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:53.340
Yeah.

01:43:53.620 --> 01:43:56.520
Yeah, okay. So anyway, I mean, I'm just looking forward to seeing them.

01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:58.520
Which an hour and a half is about the top.

01:43:59.000 --> 01:43:59.100
Yeah.

01:43:59.360 --> 01:44:01.040
Where I can take, unless you're Prince or...

01:44:01.060 --> 01:44:30.820
You weren't there for temples with us, were you? Did you see sun? Yeah, we played. We played that year. That's the only temples that there was. That's right. I think sunset was like two and a half, three hours. Two and a half hours. I just saw them at the 930 club and they played for an hour and a half easy. Oh, yeah? But they had like a Rhodes and like some, oh, did they? They used it for sub, like base sub. Yeah, no, this guy was actually playing it. Fender Rhodes? Yeah, and then they had a dude with like a French horn. So it kind of broke it up a little bit more.

01:44:31.100 --> 01:45:01.020
and just like for two hours. Who else is playing? I don't know how the fuck we got. Withered. Cemetery Piss. Chemist. Chemist. I met Zach. Zach. Zach from True. At Atlas and he's a really cool guy. I'm actually stoked to hear Chemist tonight. I listened to the record for the first time like a couple weeks ago. Oh so he's a head brewer for True? He's a head brewer for True. And he's like 26 years old. He's super

01:45:01.080 --> 01:45:30.180
- Super nice guy. Seems to be young to be a head brewer, but he's good. - Yeah, he's good. - I mean, I think True and Three Floyds kind of have like, I mean, True might have been the first, like what I know as like the first kind of metal brewery. - Yeah, it's, I mean, there might have been people before them, but they were. - The first brewery that is out and out, unmistakable, unabashed, we don't care, go fuck yourself, we're a metal brewery, and we're gonna play black metal in our tasting room if you don't like it, go. - Right, yeah. - Like the iconography,

01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:39.440
They do a lot of mixed fermentation stuff, so a lot of sour stuff, but they have a double IPA on. Yeah, it's really good.

01:45:39.620 --> 01:45:41.820
Was that who made the beer when we played in Colorado?

01:45:42.220 --> 01:45:45.300
No, that was Black Skies. Oh, Black Skies. And that was good.

01:45:46.440 --> 01:45:50.700
Yeah, it was a stout. No? I don't remember. Black Skies is a much smaller brewery.

01:45:50.770 --> 01:46:01.020
Yeah, it was, you know, we just had to make a whip up a dry Irish. I didn't even know they were doing it until one day somebody called me and was like, "Hey, we're making a beer. What do you want?" I was like, "I don't know. Stout." They're like, "Cool, man." Click."

01:46:02.100 --> 01:46:02.660
All right.

01:46:03.780 --> 01:46:05.040
It was very drinkable.

01:46:05.140 --> 01:46:09.360
I mean, it was very good, but I haven't heard great things about their brewery in general,

01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:10.840
but I've never had anything else by him.

01:46:11.940 --> 01:46:12.820
So, you know, I'll have to try true.

01:46:12.940 --> 01:46:13.720
I can't unfairly.

01:46:14.260 --> 01:46:14.340
Yeah.

01:46:14.500 --> 01:46:15.440
I don't want to judge it.

01:46:15.440 --> 01:46:15.860
I haven't tried.

01:46:15.900 --> 01:46:16.740
I don't think I've tried true.

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Try that.

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If you like smoked beers, go check out Austin from Panaca Panopticon.

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Panopticon.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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His brewery.

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There's a smoke.

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Hammer Heart.

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Smoked out.

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Yeah.

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Does that?

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Yeah.

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Do they have that?

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It's upstairs.

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Yeah.

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It's Hammer Heart.

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Oh, you gotta check it out.

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It's awesome.

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Because I'm real into stouts and I find that a lot of people tend to overdo it.

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It's like here's a vanilla stout and it's like, you know, it's like when you go to Starbucks and you're like put 10 pumps of vanilla in my fucking small coffee.

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It's like syrupy and it kind of hits you over the head and you don't get any of the roast.

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Get them some Southern Tier creme brulee.

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Yeah, I've had that.

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Thanks to you.

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And an insulin shot.

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That and the what was the breakfast stout?

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That's not that sweet though.

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No, but that creme brulee was really sweet.

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You know, like, I want to drink a beer and taste a beer. Like, you know, that's just my thing. So I'm excited to check out a couple of stuff. Have you had our silent neighbor? Yeah, when you were there the other night? That and when I went to the Genocide Pack show there, the owner bummed a cigarette and he was like, are you drinking on me tonight? I was like, all right, man. Justin's a great guy. Yeah, he was. Yeah, I don't think he should have been driving that night. No, no, he should never be driving. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. But he was like,

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I gotta go man my wife's gonna kill me. I'm like you own a brewery and you're at work. Like what do you want? She's pregnant though. Oh yeah. Yeah well they have no idea what's coming. Big life change first kid. Yes. Yes. Big life change. So new record pick a short record next year. Any anything different unusual the same expanding

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Longer songs on the new record. Tell us about what you think. The song format is a little longer. I would say there's a heavier Melvin's influence. We added a bass player a couple years ago, and this will be our first recording with him. I thought he was on Book Burner. I think Scott, in his writing, is kind of exploring a new toy, but that's not what I mean.

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It is, we can do a lot of things. A new tool. Yes, a new tool. That's way better. We can explore some territory that we never really could before because we're all fans of Jesus Lizard and heavier Melvinsey type stuff that really requires a base. We say that, but Scott's got three 30, five second ripping grind tracks. Right now we've got to fill those gaps in, but we'll get there when we get there. I'd say we have about 70% of the new record written and ready to record. Where are you recording it? Scott's basement. We're going to probably track it in my studio.

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I don't know I'm not sure who's gonna mix it yet I think I'm gonna step away from mixing it just because I want it to not I don't want to labor over it forever just I'd rather get it done and out cuz it's been so long since our last run you're you're out by you're like in Reston or oh okay yeah I'm in Bethesda so the rest of the guys well no not the rest of the guys he's a silver spring John and Adam live in Baltimore Baltimore is like in Sterling and I'm in Silver Spring JR's yeah like Sterling so originally the band was based mostly in Northern Virginia Scott used to live there eons ago

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I thought you lived in Dresden or something. I used to live in Alexandria, but that was a long time ago. Question for you. The song Alexandria. It's like literally like walking down King Street or something. Tell me about that song because I've always been fascinated by that song. It's J.R. It's all J.R. I think actually that was Phantom, right? I think I remember him kind of telling me he had kind of experienced a little writer's block.

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So he kind of put himself in situations to kind of force him to write. And I mean, there's, he's always got, there's never any shortage of material with him. He's not like, Hey man, I got, we got to wait. Cause I don't have any lyrics. He's got books and books. So I guess it's just whatever hits him when it hits him. And he's just kind of tries to write everything. He's working on a book now too, or it's done. He's just trying to get it published. Trying to get it published. What kind? What's the, it's a Western. Oh really? Like total like novel, Western novel. That's new to me.

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I had no idea that it was Western. None of us have ever read it. I think it's a self-help book. Yeah. How to be a better cowboy. Boy, I'd really trust that one. Cowboy Fleshlight, care and usage. Wall-mounted. Wall-mounting. Horse-mounted Fleshlight. When your horse is the only one around and there's nobody to see it. On that note. Yeah. We'll let you guys go unless you have some other huge announcement.

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I'm sure I will later on. Hey, fire it up!

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Alright, now I'm good.

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Looking forward to checking out the beer.

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Yeah, come and see Pinky Shrew tonight whenever this airs.

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Walk right down there.

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It's fine. I gotta get down there to pour beer anyway.

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Maybe I'll follow you down and get a sample.

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Is that cool?

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What's the APV on that?

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6.6.

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17.

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You'll be fine.

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Thanks a lot guys.

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Blake, Scott, thank you so much.

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It's about time I finally was able to do this.

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I mean.

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So somewhere at the end of the Pig Destroyer set, we got to, we snagged Adam.

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Adam Tepedellin.

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Adam Tepedellin.

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The author, the godfather of the Bible, really.

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The Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Beers.

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So this is something that John and I have wanted to do for like a long time now and just sit down and talk with Adam and it was great that we got to do it on. He did not disappoint at all. Oh yeah. He just, yeah. He actually held the interview. No, he did. Absolutely. He pretty much was like, you know, ask me a question. I'm going to talk for a while and not like, uh, well, uh, you know, he's, he's well-spoken. Yes. Yeah. It was cool. I enjoyed it. Cause he is really one of the architects of this whole,

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thing. So, um, finally glad to meet him. Yeah. I mean, the, the, the collision of beer and heavy metal when it comes to decibel, I mean, a lot of it stems from Adam and his column, his weekly, his, uh, monthly column, the, you know, brutal truth column. And so I don't know, even though Albert, the, the, the managing editor and Alex and all those people, James, all those people from decibel, like brought

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this whole thing together. I don't know if it would be in the realm of possibility without

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Adam. So I know it was like Albert and all those guys putting a lot of things together, but

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I don't think it would, like, Despo would have, like, what other heavy metal magazine puts on a beer festival? Yeah, so I just think, like, whether he wants to admit it or not, or he wants to take credit or not, like, I don't think it would have been in the spectrum of possibility of Despo doing this,

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A Metal and Beer Fest without Adam. So cheers to you Adam if you happen to fucking one chance in hell that you're listening to this. Hello and welcome to the Metal Hugs Podcast. My name is Will. This is George. And I'm John. So we're here with Adam Tepedelin, the godfather of all things heavy metal and beer, the author of the Bible. Adam, say hello. Hello. Thanks for having me.

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Happy to be here.

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So the enthusiasm is not there yet, but it will be.

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Super happy to be here.

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As you can tell, it is nearing the end of the second night.

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I think Will's pretty well lubricated by this point.

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I'm good.

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So Adam, this is sort of in a weird sort of way your brainchild, the Decibel Heavy Metal and Beer Fest.

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I know you're gonna say it's Alberts but I mean it's really like it would not happen without your influence I would say it was a it was a combination of things it certainly involved both me and Albert but basically in 2009 when I told Albert that you know I'd been a decibel contributor for about a year at that point but when I told Albert that I'd won this national beer journalism

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He said, "You write about beer?" I said, "Oh yeah, I won this award." And... Wait, wait, hold on. What were you writing for Decibel before that? Just about music? Yeah, I was just writing reviews and just like any other Decibel contributor. I was just a contributor. And so I think I... Our stories differ, but my story is that I... Your story is going to be the right story, by the way. I said that I would like to write a beer

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and metal story for him because I knew at that point there were metal musicians who were diehard craft beer enthusiasts and I just thought it would be kind of a cool thing to do. And because there weren't really other than maybe Three Floyds there weren't really breweries that were sort of like outright metal aficionados or whatever metal fans. But I wanted to do something metal and beer related and my version is that he proposed that I do a column.

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His version is that I came to him with the idea of doing a column, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't true. Anyway, somewhere in the middle, he offered me a column. And of course I said yes. I was shocked. And so it didn't start as a metal and beer column. It simply started as a beer column in a metal magazine. And if you read some of my early columns, there was some trying to

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and the two, but it was really more just about writing about beer in a metal column and just kind of see where it took us. And as I started to do this, then I realized that there were, it got traction for what it's worth. And there were people, there were metalheads that were interested in beer and then there were, you know, vice versa. So it, it, it suddenly started to all open up and unfold. Well, not suddenly, but, you know, it took a while once people started reading.

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it and got taste of it and then I found that I had more opportunities to write about crossover more with the metal and beer content and and I guess four years after I started doing it three yeah four about four years after I started doing it I got a book deal I basically parlayed that into a book deal which was the brutal truth guide to extreme beers have you John have you heard this book I have heard of this book

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book it's it's been on my shelf it's been in my bag it's been everywhere with me for what three or four years now hardly an episode goes by where somebody doesn't bring it up all right anyway yeah i'm sorry keep going well it um because i'd done the column for four years or whatever um i had a body of work that i could then pitch you know i i was somewhat of an authority basically at that point i guess probably the only authority on beer and heavy metal

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And I found an agent that thought that that idea was as cool as I did. And they found a publisher who thought that idea was as cool as I did. And they let me do this book. And it is completely original material. It had nothing really to do with my column. My column was... I didn't reprint the column. I basically just... I wanted to write about extreme beers.

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at that point, extremely extreme. It was kind of funny because, you know, I don't know, decibels are all about humor. And so I like the idea of doing extreme beers and extreme music, tying the two together and just doing a book based on that. You know, again, when I was promoting this book, it's not a typical craft beer book, as you guys know. Yeah, it's not.

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But for craft beer drinkers, there was a little bit of a disconnect. They didn't really quite get what I was doing with it. And what I really tried to, what I've said multiple times in talking about this, is that it's meant to entertain as much as anything. It's not a... There's a little bit of a tongue-in-cheek aspect to it. Yeah. In a way, it's like metal. You don't take the lyrics so much and all the stuff around it so seriously.

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It's like a horror movie. It's supposed to have a fun aspect to it. It's not a typical beer geeky hardcore nerdy kind of beer book. It's nerdy metal and beer at the same time. It's supposed to be a little less serious. John, I think Adam just called us nerds. That's okay. I've been called that for a while.

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You say that it was all in fun, but I'd be willing to bet you now at this point you've heard plenty of people say, "How did you pair that band with that band? That doesn't match. It's not right." I'm sure you've gotten some metalheads who have gone from the fun to taking it very serious about the matching. Yeah, yes and no. One of the funniest thing was that, in fact, since we just saw Pig Destroyer, Scott Hall, who I interviewed for the book, did not like the fact that I paired Pig Destroyer

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with the rogue voodoo donut maple bacon ale. And in fact, that was one of the sort of more, I would say, polarizing beers I put in the book. There are people that hate it or love it. And I'll stand here and say that I really like it and I'll defend it all day, but he really did not like the fact that I did that. And that was a bone of contention. Wait, was Pig Destroyer paired with it because of the bacon aspect? Yeah, of course. I mean, that seemed obvious, but to me, maybe not.

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I don't know. You gotta destroy a pig to make bacon, right? So literally earlier tonight, Scott was sitting exactly where you were. We did not talk about the book. Did he talk shit about me? Yeah. This is the beginning of the feud right here. No, I think we've shaken hands. It's all fine. But he definitely did perturb him. And, you know, I thought, well, dude, I have a sense of humor about it. Because I thought it was funny.

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But maybe, you know, I don't know. His perspective is much different because Pig Destroyer is his thing. And so I get that. But anyway, I really did try to. The beer pairings thing, in fact, the first Brutal Truth column I did. Like the very, like number one. Yeah, the first one was, it was, again, tongue in cheek, basically giving people a style of beer. And I tried to like reach beyond like pale ale. So I was talking about like barley lines. Okay, what's the style of metal?

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What's the style of metal that pairs with black metal? What's the style of beer that pairs with grindcore? And I came up with these beers. Again, all in fun, you know, kind of like tongue in cheek. You know, I think I paired stoner metal with this BC beer called Hop Head Pale Ale. BC being British Columbia? Yeah. So anyway, that's where I had the idea of like pairing beer.

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with music and since then it's sort of become I've noticed like men's journal or men's health had graveyard pairing like beers with music and stuff like that so it's wait graveyard from Sweden yeah they did this thing where they were like pairing beers with music and stuff and and so it's I'm not taking any credit for it but I'm just saying it's no take I'll take it for I do get people contacting me via social media they're like they're like at home

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¿qué es un buen libro?

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about his beer. I had had this idea of, okay, so you've come out with your own beer. What of your albums would you compare it to? Not necessarily pair it with, but I kind of put it to him. What would you, and it was amazing because he thought, he actually thought about it. He's like, hmm, that's a good question. He thought, thought, thought. And he came out with the exact album that I, that I had come out with that I thought would pair perfectly with his beer. Which was? Which was Countdown to Extinction.

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Okay. Because this beer is, it's not, it's not Killing is my business beer. It's not dystopia. It's sort of like that period where it's, it's, this beer is kind of refined. It's complex, has an intensity to it in its own way, which I thought, okay, well, that's kind of like that album where they transitioned from being like a thrash band to sort of being like a pro metal band.

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It may not be my favorite Megadeth album, but... You know, the song being from Euthanasia, I think Euthanasia would probably not be the album you want to associate with a drink. Right, exactly, yeah. I didn't even take that into consideration, but yeah. Anyway, I like the idea of... And even, you know, when I... I think when I talked to Sam Calgione from Dogfish, when I interviewed him for the book, we talked a little bit about music,

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and beer pairings. And he was fully on board. Although his ideas about it were more, they weren't metal related. But he liked the idea of like, you buy an album, you're totally stoked about. And then what are you going to drink while you're listening to this album? You know? And he liked the idea of like, you get a good craft beer that's going to sort of like enhance this experience. And so you can do that with any genre of music. You know, they've done tributes to like Miles Davis.

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Yeah, so, which I'm down with, but you know, you maybe choose a different beer for that than you might for Pig Destroyer. Right. And I know you've seen on Twitter lately that our friends, I guess mutual friends, had a Joy Theory. Yeah. So they have a lot of the heavy metal iconography. I know Mark Osborne is the owner of it, and he's a diehard metalhead. I went up and did a collaboration beer with them called Metal as Fuck.

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But they were literally thinking, they pair food and cigars on the labels. Why not music? And I think you were on that Twitter thread there. And I was talking to our folks at Atlas, I'm like, we need to start pairing it. And we do it on the date code labels on the bottom. One day we were listening to Bolt Thrower when we brewed the beer.

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The Hydra guys, they sent me some beer last year and they actually did that on the bottles. Now these were sort of like silk screen bottles that were kind of generic because they were doing I think like you know small batch stuff on there but they had these spaces on the back where they could put in information and they actually had like pair with and they mentioned like metal bands I think. So I mean

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It's... I don't know. It seems totally reasonable to me. We're here at a metal festival, metal slash beer festival, drinking beer, listening to bands. And so certainly you could make the argument that certain beers you're enjoying here might pair well with certain kinds of bands based on the style of music they play. Well... No, exactly. Seems feasible to me. Yeah. This is like... I think you mentioned it as your Super Bowl.

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this weekend? Yeah, I think it's better than that in a way because Super Bowl is only one day. This is two days, right? And for me, I've gotten to meet, make a lot of new friends and also meet a lot of people that I sort of knew just through social media and that sort of thing. And it's been amazing. And also, obviously, I got to see these bands and yeah, I mean, I couldn't have asked for anything better.

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an amazing job putting this thing together and bringing all these people together and um i hope it

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continues so that's that's what we've all been thinking about is so we've all been at

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baryland death fest and that was sort of like the like or barbecue that's sort of like the the the summer

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ritual this is the spring is this going to be the spring ritual do you know you have tell me the inside

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data. The intention is that, yeah, this will be repeated. And hopefully it will be this time of year. You know, one of the challenges, as you know, being in the business, there are all these other things that happen over the course of the year, whether it be CBC, you know, the Craft Brewers Conference or whatever. There are numerous different things, GABF. So it's a matter of like finding the time slot where people like yourself,

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and Nick from True and all these people can clear their schedule and say, okay, yeah, we'll be there. So if this works, you know, there's also the McKellar thing in Denmark that happens shortly after this. And, you know, there's Dark Lord Day. Savers coming up in another month. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of shit. So my two cents, I would highly recommend either you combine this with the Craft Brewers Conference because they're all going to be in whatever and just have,

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the Decibel Metal Beer Fest follow around the Craft Brewers Conference if the focus is the beer. Now obviously then you have to have the bands. Or because this is what happened this weekend is you just had the Craft Brewers Conference two weeks ago. Yeah. And then you had this in towns that are only like two hours, two, two and a half hours apart. Right. Because I know there was a lot of people like, dude, I just went, I just was away for a week Craft Brewers Conference. And then it's like, oh, well then we got this.

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The Decibel Magazine Heavy Metal Beer Fest. It was almost too close together. And breweries, you know, they make no money. They're on this limited budget. So I would say my personal suggestion is always having a Washington, D.C. when I tell you guys that I'm available. No, but seriously, having it in Philly, it's my hometown, unbelievably awesome.

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The venue really kind of lent itself to this. Yeah, it worked out well. I can't speak beyond what we've talked about as far as the future holds for it, but the intention is to this won't be the first. So what it is next year, I don't know. And when it's held, I don't know. So Decibel and Albert spearheading this started the Decibel tour six years ago.

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They've been doing that for six years. That's a huge undertaking. I mean... Yeah, and I was literally at that tour in Philly last weekend. And I came back up. Yeah, like... No, it was all... Like, unbelievable. Like, I could not... I could not not go to see creator and obituary, like, in the same show. Like, it just wasn't going to happen for me. And I came. So, I... You know, Albert commits to these things.

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Now he has some great help from Alex and other people that are part of the decibel team now. So I'm guessing that it will continue on and hopefully in the same. I mean personally I love the venue here. The funny thing is when it was originally announced that this was happening, officially announced, once we had all the brewers locked in, it was like all these people came out of the woodwork that said,

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Well, I want to be part of this, you know, and which is great. Steve Jones. Yeah. Yeah. So it's only going to get bigger, I presume, and better, you know, better. Not this isn't fantastic, but it will. I think there'll be more brewers. And also, I mean, who knows, maybe someday it'll be a three day festival. I don't know. But it's I think that the intention is to do this again. Awesome. Whatever happens. That's exactly what we all wanted to hear.

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I mean it seems like it's been pretty successful so far. I mean from all corners you know I mean it seems like the yeah everyone's happy. Just from what I've said I go to Prague Power every year in Atlanta this is 17 years now 18 years I'm going it's the same people it seems like yeah half the crowd yeah how many people do we say we do here just from DC alone I think yeah do a second year and I bet you see the same people and then it keeps growing after that with all new people and I think you get a base I think

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I think this could go forward without... Not a hitch, but I think you'll have the pull from people. So obviously I'm with Atlas, Metalheads Podcast. We're all DC area based. And I saw God knows how many people. By the way, last weekend at the Decibel Tour, there was like 20 people from the DC area. And today you've got Metal Chris and his girlfriend, Randy.

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Chicken Man's here. Yes, Chicken Man's here. Warren from Black Flag was here last night. Like, you had all these people who traveled from DC. Aside from us and the breweries, like yeah, it's amazing. Like, everybody wanted to come to this. Yeah. See, it kind of makes sense to me. People have said, oh, you know, why don't you do one on the West Coast? But in a way, it kind of makes sense to have it in a place like Philly or Baltimore or somewhere. No, no, no, no, no. All right. Well, Philly. But where,

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The concentration, the, you know, of, of the dense, the, there's all these big cities that are within a couple hours of each other. It makes sense to have it in a place like Philly. So, I mean, it's, we're decibels based and all that. And, um, if the breweries are willing to, at the very least, make sure their beer is available here in, you know, I think it's awesome that really a lot of the brewers made a huge effort to be here personally at, you know, great expense. I know it's not easy and, and bring their,

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crews, you know, there could be situations where in the future it's their beers poured by reps, you know, whether it be their distributors or whatever. It may not necessarily have to be the brewers themselves, but I love the fact that most of the brewers are here pouring. I don't, I think maybe one or two breweries that I've met here, there may be somebody who's like a rep, but, but,

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That may be the person who's brewing the beer, or not sorry, pouring the beer at that particular time, but there is a brewer or an owner or somebody here. Yeah, like you said, people went above and beyond. Yesterday we had seven people from Atlas here. Yeah, that's great. Everybody wanted to come. It was great. And even in the case of McKellar, where you don't get like, you know. But you get Denny Lillick. Exactly, as I was saying. That's the trade-off, right.

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I'm okay with that, you know, but it would be great if...

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Brew, what? Oh, Danny? Oh, yeah.

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What bands have you been in?

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Danny, Heather? Yes, please.

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And it was actually probably more appropriate that he was here, you know, in the sense that he, you know, is such an icon in the extreme music world. So I was thinking about that. I was talking to them about how, you know, it's one thing for the Metalheads to come here and, you know, interact with the breweries,

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and stuff like that and in this context a lot of these brewers are brewers but in like more of a beer fest context some of these guys would be rock stars on their own you know like they would be sort of rock stars in their world and with like Danny you know being a rep here for McKellar it's it's like he's the focus in a way you know and so I know it's it's I thought it was great that he's represented

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And I think you hit it right on the head because if you go to like

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Savor or Craft Beer Conference or Great American Beer Fest and you see a guy like Jim Cook or Sam Cagione or something like that, like they are the rock star.

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Well, I mean, from my own experience, like Todd Haug, when I go to beer festivals, it would be like I'd see a lot of the brewers, some of the bigger brewers in the industry, like talking to Todd.

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I mean that guy knows everybody you know he's very well respected and he's like a no

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nonsense kind of no ego kind of brewer guy where he he literally when I was doing my book or had the idea to do my book and I didn't really know all these people he did know all these people when I was at GABF in Denver 2012 he took me and introduced me to all these people that he knew you know just on

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that are in the beer world, sort of stars, and that, you know, I don't know.

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There's a couple people, like you were saying, who cross over, like Todd, head brewer, or I guess now director of operations at Three Floyds?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Or, you know, left Surly, went to Three Floyds, or, like, the guy who just walked through here, Zach.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Zach, drummer and chemist. Yeah. Un-fucking-believable show tonight. And a head brewer at True. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple people out there that, like, they blend perfectly into the combining, colliding, as I like to say it, the craft beer and the heavy metal world. Well, the guys at Hydra as well, I mean, they're not in famous bands or whatever nationally known bands, but they're metal musicians. And the fact that they're sort of like,

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doing both things. They're creative in two different worlds. I think it gives them a unique perspective on this world, as it were. The decibel, metal, and beer fest world. They know all the metal bands. They are totally down with that world, but then they're also good brewers. They make interesting beer, cool beer. They can talk beer and they can talk metal.

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is all about really.

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That's awesome.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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And you know what?

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The last thing I'll sort of say about this that I really appreciate is that

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that if you look at the whole range of the brewers that are here, they also have

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their own unique take on things, both brewing wise and metal wise for what it's worth.

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Like the one thing I love about Burnt Hickory is, you know, Scott. You love that Scott Hedin is crazy? Scott, he's crazy, but that dude knows music. I've known Scott for years. Like he's an encyclopedia and he, and he, he has all these, before he was a commercial brewer, he was brewing beers for bands just as a hobby. And that's how I found out about him. Like before he was actually a,

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And then he sells his incredible record collection or a portion of it so that he can actually start this brewery and then I finally got to taste his beers once he sort of became a commercial endeavor and I was blown away I mean he not only knows his music he knows his beers and he makes great beer and he's a nut he's crazy and you know I love that about him but he's like you know so there's that end of the spectrum and then there's like the you know Nick Nunn's end of the spectrum who you know is

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Nick Nuns from True.

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From True.

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And like makes completely different beers.

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Completely different guy.

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Like amazing guy.

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But you know he's.

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But we're all within this world.

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In the same way there's like tons of different metal genres and sub genres.

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It's the same thing within the whole brewing industry.

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You know people making different kinds of beers.

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And influenced by different kinds of music.

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It's funny because it was a couple months ago that.

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Something clicked in my head. You almost make fun. Obviously, as a brewer, I make fun of the sub-genres of different beers. Oh, no. That's not a black IPA. That's a sour, black, IPA, dry hop, New England style, Russian Imperial style. But you have the same thing in music. Oh, it's a black and death, hardcore, progressive, post-metal band.

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But I do love the fact that there are all these subgenres everyone's trying to put a niche into. So that's why I think they blend in a weird sort of way. They go together because you have these two artists. One's a musical artist, one's a brewing artist. And everyone's trying to put their own take on a style.

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So the style is like, okay, you have heavy metal, all right, or you have beer. But now you're trying to, like, put your own take on that. So, like, I'm not a death metal band. I'm a black and death metal band. I'm not an IPA. I'm a black rye IPA. I'm a black high-gravity rye IPA. Like, you just go, like,

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It worked out perfect for them, I thought.

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Well, if you think about...so in the early 80s, let's say, late 70s or whatever, when heavy metal was sort of acknowledged as heavy metal, because before that it was like, it wasn't really heavy metal. It wasn't called heavy metal. It was hard rock or whatever. It had a lot of different names, but it sort of became heavy metal in the late 70s and early 80s. And so all the bands during that era kind of fell under just one umbrella. They were heavy metal bands. But they really...

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They were very different in a lot of ways. Because Motley Crue was basically lumped in with Judas Priest, was lumped in with Rat, was lumped in, you know. So there were all these bands that just fell into the heavy metal umbrella. In the same degree that in the nascence of the craft beer movement in the United States, it was just craft beer. And so, and what they were making was just takes on English style ales back then. It wasn't really, there was no Belgian influence, no,

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really a little bit of Germanic influence, but it was mostly just English style Ales that they were doing like North American versions of. And so it became, it's grown and changed and, you know, to the point where it's like there are now subgenres in metal, tons of subgenres in metal. Like the term, if you just call some band a heavy metal band, that doesn't work anymore because there's no

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"heavy metal bands" like what does that mean anymore? Back then it meant something because it was like "oh they're a heavy metal band" but now it's the same thing with what you're saying with craft beer is that it's there isn't just craft beer anymore it's like there's so many influences and everyone's doing a take on this so they're doing a take on English styles, Belgian styles and they're mixing it all up they're like I mean it's anything goes it's the same thing in

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metal, right? I mean, you get bands now that's like, I don't even know what to call them because they got a little bit of this, a little bit of that. A great example, Kevin Ems, who you've interviewed up in British Columbia at, I forget the name of his brewery. What's it? Granville Island. Yeah, Granville Island. He's in the band, Hall of Catharsis. Drummer for that band. Literally in one song, I think they will cover every fucking genre of music.

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Like, literally, it's insane. Like, it's crazy. And I love that. I met Kevin for the first time. He was at CBC. Came to the Heavy Metal night. So Kevin, if you're listening, shout out to you. Gave me a couple of CDs. I gave you one of them to check it out. But like, what I love about it is like, it's genre bending. There's no specific, you can't just like, oh, this is death metal. This is black metal. Like, no, this is blackened death.

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Jazz, Infusion, Thrash, you name it. That's what I love about it. That's brewing, that's metal in a way. There aren't as many rules, I think, in a lot of ways. I appreciate that. It also means if the people listening to the metal are open-minded, then potentially they could be open-minded regarding the beers that they're

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and they don't have to be like, oh, I only like dark beers or I only like, you know, hoppy beers or whatever. It's like, well, try a sour beer. Maybe you'll like that, you know? So, I don't know. And depending upon how old a person is and what, you know, what they were sort of like raised on, what they grew up on, you know, I can like the, you know, what people today would call like hair metal,

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Glam Metal bands, but back then when I was listening to them, Metal bands, I can like them and I can also like Sleep, you know, and then the two have very little in common other than like maybe distorted guitars or whatever, but in the same way that I could like a Session worthy Kolsch or something like that and like a barley wine, so why can't I like both? I wouldn't, I would have them in different circumstances, right?

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So I wouldn't be, if I wanted something that was mellow and, you know, not mellow, but, you know, maybe not sort of like pounding my brain, I would listen to Stoner Rock. If I wanted something that was like pumping me up, I would listen to Municipal Waste. Same thing with like drinking a beer. If I wanted something that was refreshing, I would drink a Kolsch. If I wanted something that was, you know, I could sip and savor, I would drink a Russian Imperial Stout. So, I don't know. Speaking of sleep, I think they're playing right now.

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They are. We should go. Yeah. For sure. Oh, I didn't even see a giant screen. Yeah. Sorry, there was like a giant screen in front of me that I couldn't see through. Fuck you. Adam, thank you. Yes, thank you for your time. This has been a long time coming, especially for these two guys. Hey, look, we're in the same room. That's amazing. So that's good. Like, yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it'll happen again. Maybe next year? Next book. Um, like, maybe

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some of the beers easier for us to find if we want to endeavor in this again.

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What's the fun in that?

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I like the way that you worked for it.

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Oh we did, you have no idea the shit that we pulled.

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I helped you, I shipped you sent some stuff?

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Oh no, you said like Morning Wood, no no, it was it Morning Wood?

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Son of the Morning, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I want to know what was that?

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I'm just thinking what I'm gonna have tomorrow morning with George.

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You know, these guys spent all this time tracking down and trying all these beers.

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How did you put all of this together? You know, finding all these, I mean, we already talked about the parents, but how did you hunt down all these, you know, exotic beers that nobody would even hardly know about without the book? Well, part of the preparing to write the book was creating a proposal. And so I basically made a list of books, beers I wanted to include in the book, just doing research.

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I had my categories and so I made up a big list of about 130 or so beers and then I set about contacting the breweries and you know the interesting thing is as I went I heard about other beers that kind of fit the bill you know through just knowing people talking about people doing research and like some I apologize but some of the ones that are hard for you guys to get

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I didn't realize they were going to be so hard.

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But like the...

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You didn't realize they were like two knuckleheads from D.C.

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are like, hey, these guys are going to try and drink every beer in this book.

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Well, you know what?

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Honestly, it was my intention.

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I actually, every single person I contacted, I said, is this beer going to be available in the future?

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Not is it going to be available year round, but will you do it again?

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And everyone said yes, because I wouldn't use the beer if it was just like one.

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Liars!

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So there's the 666 from Diamond Knot. And they, believe me, they said they would, but I didn't realize it was going to be like 666, whatever, you know. 666 turns and the next production brewery. Yeah. And then the other one was the Three Floyds Ride a Tiger. And I, again, you know, I'm sure that when they said that, they actually meant that. But for whatever reason, it just didn't happen. Wait, wait, Adam, what's the third one?

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now. Thrash Metal. Oh, see, that's an odd one because I would have guessed that they would have continued making that. But yeah, so do we. Yeah, there are the three that we didn't get. Yeah. Okay. Three Floyds and asked about Ry the Tiger. And the response was, we'll just come in and we decide that day we're going to do it. I'm like, that doesn't work. It doesn't work for us. I mean, we're on a quest. We are incomplete. Mission from God. You know when I got half-pastic cigarettes and wear sunglasses.

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When I was doing the book, they had released it earlier in the year, that brew, so I was aware of it, and I said, "Can I write about it in my book?" And they're like, "Oh yeah, no problem, we'll get it to you." And then it was like, "Wow, I don't know if we have any more." And then it was like, "Oh, we found a case somewhere in the back, so it's not super fresh, but we'll send it to you." So I said, "Fine, that's good."

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That should have been my clue that maybe they weren't committed to brewing this anymore in the future. But anyway, most of them you got. So good for you. We got 110 out of 113. Whatever it is. We're three short. Yeah, we're three short. The three we just literally just talked about. Should get some kind of plaque for that. Yeah, we should, right? Almost there. All right.

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Sleap's playing. Yeah, we should probably go check them out. All right. Thank you, Adam. Thanks for having me on. Seriously, a huge pleasure. I love this. Thank you. Let's go see Sleap. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah, and it would have been nice to get Albert, but, you know, every time you saw him, he was running around doing something. So, I don't know. Will, you know him a little bit. Maybe we could just get him on.

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sometime separately to talk about it. Yeah, I don't think that would be. I mean, if we just get him on Skype or something like that. Because he's in Northern Virginia, so we'll figure it out. Excellent. But he's like us. He's married with two kids. So he's busy. Weekends are busy and taken up. But we'll find time. We'll figure it out. Excellent. And so somewhere previous to this,

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I managed to I was actually after the chemist set I went out to their their merch and John's like you're fucking going there aren't you yeah well the only reason I bring it up is because of the kindness of of someone so I I got out to the the set sorry I got out to the chemist merch booth and Phil and Ben were working it and there's a big ass line I'm like yeah why did I pick a better time to fucking come out here

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and get merch and uh but anyway i was like you got any uh shirts in my size and

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they're like um i don't know and i was like dan said he thought you did so they're like uh yeah okay

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then they they spent a few minutes like digging through everything and they found one and

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you know i bought it and and off i went and i guess apparently during the adam interview uh we were we were up in the press room there was like nobody else in this room for the majority of it there was like one or two people that came and went

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But I must have sat down my chemist t-shirt. And at the end of the Adam interview, we're all like, oh, sleep. Sleep's playing. We got to go. And so I must have gotten up and walked off without my shirt. By the time I got downstairs, I was like, shit, I don't have my shirt. I turned around like two minutes, three minutes later, walked back up there. No shirt. It's gone. Somebody made off with it. Or it just spontaneously fell into a black hole and disappeared. I don't know.

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I got a little grumpy for a little while. Tomorrow we're going to be driving back in a minute here. What is this in my jacket? My fucking shirt's in the jacket. Believe me, I checked every damn pocket in that vest going, I didn't stick this somewhere, because I didn't remember putting it down. But because I kept, the interview with Adam was so long, I kept switching from hand to hand with the microphone. And so at some point I set it down, but I don't recall doing it. And so it was gone.

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And so I was kind of grumpy. I was like looking around for the shirt. And then I was like, you got one. Yeah. So, so then I went to the chemist booth to see if they had any more. And there was nobody there. It was just, you know, there were other booths people there, but there was nobody. And I, I correctly deducted that the guys in chemists would be watching sleep. Yeah. So I went back in for a little while and then I went back out again and checked again. And I ended up just waiting for a little while.

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out there for for sleep to finish so that when somebody came to pack up their merch I could you know I could ask and Dan was the first one out there and I'm like dude I fucking lost my shirt somebody took it do you have another one in my size and he's like we have one more and I whipped out my wallet and excuse me while I whip this out excuse me while I whip this out and I I was I I tried to pay for it but Dan being the incredible gentleman

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The gentleman that he is refused to let me pay for another shirt. So thank you, Dan. I appreciate it. You saved my evening. Actually, I'd like to say thank you, Dan. You saved Will and John's evening. I would not. I was pretty resigned to the fact that I fucking wiped my ass with 20 bucks. Grumpy fuck. I was not that grumpy. You didn't see your face when we were watching sleep. Literally, I went over to him like, what's wrong?

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What's wrong with you? Sleep is playing. You were a grumpy fuck. Allow me a couple minutes to mourn the loss of my money and my shirt. But I got over it. I was like, you know, whatever. I went online and confirmed that I couldn't order one. So that made me happier. But it all worked out in the end. So thank you, Dan. And right after that,

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I met up with Will and John again. Well, do we want to talk about sleep at all, Blaine? No, no. See, because that was pretty much my experience with sleep. Sorry. I got ahead of everything. Carry on. I mean, sleep brings it. I mean, Matt Pike, he doesn't like shirts. He does not. He had a little bit of a belly. He fucking hates shirts and he doesn't care. He's got a big giant, like, crow tramp stamp or something.

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is all tatted out his ass is hanging out of his pants and he's just sludging out heavy fucking doom riffs and it was pretty cool yeah i literally spent part of the time trying to figure out is are these guys actually playing like i forget the the lead singer bass's name but is he actually playing bass and is matt like literally is he playing the guitar or is it all a track because like

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The way they integrate between the guitar, because it's a trio, so it's a drummer, bass, and a guitar player. The way the sound comes out, you would think there's three guitar players and five people playing bass or something like that. It's amazing that they can get that kind of sound just out of one bass player and one guitar player. And he's playing a lot of riffs half the time. Sorry, it's like, it was amazing.

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It's amazing to me to watch... I was mesmerized by trying to watch Matt Pike play... Matt, is his name? Yeah. Yeah, okay, sorry. Matt Pike play, Who Hates Fucking Shirts, Sam Puffenburger. It just seemed unworldly that the sounds were coming out of the guitar. When the other guy, the lead singer in the bassist...

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He's almost like playing lead guitar on the bass and he's using a pick up on the neck not like back on the frets or anything like that. He wasn't tapping but he was playing in that area almost like he was tapping a little bit when he was picking. It was different. That was amazing. I have to say I found it interesting that here I am seeing Sleep that's got maybe a little bit of a cannabis influence and I'm thinking there was

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I thought everyone was just going to hang out there and just kind of head bob slow. I've never seen so many people so high jumping around and going crazy. It was wild. I mean, here he's playing these slow riffs and everyone's just going nuts. I got punched by Will in the chest. I was like, hey man, I thought we were supposed to be hanging out right now. Sleep is so, so, so good.

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And it is something that we will be trying to experience very soon. Ourselves. Sleep. Going to sleep. It is late. Fucking exhausted. Oh, but I want to give a huge shout out to Alex from Horrendous. He was there tonight. He was there last night. Yeah. And we just hung out and talked like for a long time. One of the probably the most affable, nicest,

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He almost has no business being in the middle.

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Because he's so fucking happy.

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And yeah.

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So I was like almost making fun.

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Like Alex if you listen to this.

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Like I was.

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I'm making fun of you.

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Because you're always so happy.

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Like you're on stage.

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And you're like.

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Don't look like.

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Weehee.

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Like you don't.

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But he's so excited to be playing.

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Like it's his dream.

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Like he cannot even believe.

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In a weird sort of way.

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The gist of what I got.

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I was like I'm a bass player and horrendous like how the fuck am I not gonna be happy so I saw Alex a bunch of times last night and tonight so speaking of friendly affable people Arthur Rizek also stopped by again and said hello to us he every time he saw us he came over and was like hey man how's it going yeah everything you know and so that was really nice so thank you Arthur so yeah it was good and

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Anything else before we sign off? I just really, really, really hope that they do this again next year and every year. I'm down. This will be my earlier festival and then Prague Power will be my end of year festival. So I'm down with two. It was good. I enjoyed it. As did I. All right. From Philadelphia, this is the Metalheads Podcast. We'll talk to you later. See ya.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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Happy Trails. And we want to thank some people as well. But John, do you have any final words on the weekend? It was a great weekend. It was fun to see all the bands. It was fun to drink all the beer. And it was fun to see a lot of people that we already knew personally and some people that we had met via social media or other bands that we had met through any kind of interviews or at shows and stuff. It was kind of a cool

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a little setup of a ton of people around. And it seemed like there were a lot of groups, even if we didn't know someone, there were a lot of other groups of people that knew each other there. It wasn't just like a lot of people just on their own. I kind of liked that. So. Yeah, it was cool. So yeah, before we go, I want to, I made a little list of names that I wanted to shout out. First of all, Steve Jansen from Crypt Sermon. We didn't,

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I'd have to squeeze in an interview with Steve, but we did spend some time talking with him, and it was good to meet him after having him on the last episode. We also met up several times with Arthur Rizek of, well, of everything. If you listen to Metal, you've probably heard something he's done. Incredibly nice guy. Every time he wandered by, he stopped over to say hello and see how we were doing. That was much appreciated.

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I'd like to thank Scott and Blake from Pig Destroyer for doing the interview with us. It was real nice of them to take some time out of all the fun things they could have been doing at the Decibel Fest to give us like a half hour of their time. Likewise, Adam Tepedelin giving us a really great interview about beer and metal and the Brutal Truth Guide and all that good stuff. So thank you, Adam.

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I also want to say thanks to Dan and the chemist guys. As always, classy and just wonderful, nice guys. So thank you for everything. We want to thank Albert from Decibel for putting on the whole shindig. As I know we mentioned in the last little bit we did, we're all hoping that this will be a second annual come next year. So make it so.

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And we'd also like to thank all the great people from the various breweries who talked to us and, you know, gave us the samples and, you know, maybe gave us little extra samples and just good conversations. So it was a really fun weekend and we appreciate everything everyone did for us and we hope to see you next year. Yeah, I hope we do it again. I'd like to make this a regular thing.

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that last night, but it would be cool. All right. So until next time, whenever that is, see ya. Bye.