The Reformed Libertarians Podcast

In this bonus episode, we interview Dr. David VanDrunen. We consider his reply on several points to Pastor Taylor Drummond's critical article that we discuss in episode 17. The title of that article is "Fool's Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen's account of state legitimacy" and it examines particular arguments in David VanDrunen's book Politics After Christendom.

VanDrunen expresses his appreciation for Drummond's article and our episode discussing it, raises questions concerning immoral complicity if the state is taken to be illegitimate, offers some clarification about his (up to this point) not having differentiated monopoly states from non-monopolistic civil governance in his writing, raises questions concerning what sort of consent is normative for the customary legal order's own legitimacy and its authorizing function, raises the question of when abuse or injustice might categorically disqualify one from rightfully possessing authoritative office and its relation to political resistance, and, at the end, responds to our proposal how a fuller, non-aggressionist view of proportionality in the lex talionis of the Noahic Covenant entails a conclusive argument in favor of the exclusively "protectionist" purpose of civil governance law.

https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusC

Main Points of Discussion

00:00 Introduction

00:09 Episode description

02:15 Prefatory statements

05:37 The question of immoral complicity

16:30 Clarifying matters of complicity

21:13 The question of civil governance vs. monopoly state

27:55 Distinguishing normativity from de facto (non-)conformity to norms

31:00 The question of legitimizing consent

35:56 Distinguishing compliance under duress (by aggression)

40:45 The question of abuse/tyranny and de-legitimization

45:20 The question of a conclusive protectionist-only view

49:32 Remaining uncertainty about Scriptural “regulative principle” for civil governance

52:29 Closing remarks

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The Reformed Libertarians Podcast aims to educate and inspire listeners to intelligently embrace and passionately promote a view of libertarianism as grounded in the Reformed Faith, and informed by a Reformed worldview.

Exploring free society from a Reformed perspective, hosts Kerry Baldwin and Gregory Baus discuss culture, society, politics, economics, theology, philosophy, worldview, and more. Follow the show at reformedlibertarians.com and discover how to think about liberty and human flourishing based in the Reformed Faith.