NUANCE

Is it truly possible to forgive someone who’s not sorry—and should you ever reconcile? In this powerful episode of Compassion International's Nuance series, Rachel Grohl (host of the Hearing Jesus podcast) and Kiwi Vallejo Cook (Compassion alumni and physical therapist) share raw, unfiltered insights on the messy, painful process of forgiveness and emotional healing.

Together, they discuss how past pain can trap us in cycles of shame, how therapy can be a powerful tool in God's hands, and why forgiveness is not a one-time event, but a lifelong journey. Kiwi bravely opens up about the cultural stigma around therapy in her background and how she and her husband are breaking generational chains by seeking help. Rachel shares how God used Christian counseling to unlock freedom she never thought possible.

If you’ve ever wondered why healing feels so elusive—or if faith and therapy can really coexist—this conversation is for you. It’s vulnerable, hopeful, and fiercely honest. Because sometimes the only way forward is by facing the past with grace.

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What is NUANCE?

Nuance is a conversation series unlike any other—where 14 Christian thought leaders, pastors, artists, and influencers come together two at a time for honest, grace-filled dialogue across lines of difference.

Each of the 13 episodes pairs two voices you may not expect to see in the same room, exploring prompt cards that challenge assumptions, surface tensions, and invite vulnerability. They don’t always agree. That’s the point. What emerges is not debate, but a richer kind of unity—one rooted in listening well, honoring each other’s stories, and holding space for complexity without compromising conviction.

These are the conversations we need in a polarized world. With topics that range from race to revival, politics to purity culture, deconstruction to discipleship, Nuance offers a model of courageous curiosity—centered in Christ, grounded in Scripture, and fueled by the Spirit of relational reconciliation that genuinely explores what it means to live Unto Jesus today.

If you're hungry for depth, tired of division, and ready for a better way forward—welcome. This is Nuance.

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