Allyn Evans: And I was walking up and down the
aisle at the bookstore, at the time it was the occult.
because that's what they named all of this.
So I'm walking down, what can I read next?
What can I read next?
And I see the book and the book is The Journey
of Robert Monroe.
And I, I just was in shock because this is that place.
This was a book about that place that I had read
about so many years ago and just didn't really think
I could ever get there.
Rod Bland: My guest today is Allyn Evans, who's the current
CEO of the Monroe Institute.
Allyn, welcome.
And thanks for coming on the show.
Allyn Evans: Thank you.
Glad to be here.
Rod Bland: Well, I've been looking forward to
this conversation and it's taken us a while to get the
calendars to sync up, but I'd like to start with some
background of what your life was like growing up.
And then can you tell us about what led to your role
at the Monroe Institute?
Allyn Evans: Sure.
So I grew up in Mississippi in a small town and just a
very solid family of friends and neighbors environment,
so definitely grew up with a lot of support,
and as I grew older I started getting, a young adult, I
started getting very curious about things I was reading,
and it would be associated with this concept, just
like what we say here at Monroe, you're more than your
physical body, is what we ask you to believe, that, wow,
I am more than my physical body, and the way I was
raised, I didn't know that.
So I was reading these books that were just
blowing my mind, you know, reshaping my paradigm there.
And, um, I started getting very curious.
So I was always was curious.
So I started seeking and trying to figure out,
well, if these people that I'm reading about can do
these things, like be more intuitive, be more psychic,
um, have these experiences.
Well, I should be able to, right.
And that's, uh, I was just.
Going after it and trying to solve that problem and
trying to figure it out.
It dawned on me one time when I was reading a book from
a psychic who said this is how you do it and I've been
doing it since I was three.
That, wait a minute, if you've been doing it
since you were three, how are you gonna teach me?
Because I haven't been doing it since I was three.
I'm probably, you know, by then I was like probably
late 20s early 30s.
So I had some other things I had to learn how to do to,
you know, to reach that state.
So I started again reading more books and I found the
Monroe Institute in books.
And when I did that, it was years before the internet.
So I couldn't just get on here and Google and go, what is it?
But I just knew it as this mysterious place somewhere
out there that people seem to develop these skills that
I was seeking to develop.
So, I, I just, I read the books, I kept thinking
about it, I then went on my own self taught path.
I didn't have a teacher, and it was probably because
I didn't have the courage to go out and say, Hey, I'm
looking for this, I'm looking for that teacher, didn't
have the resources to go, you know, pay one of the authors
and go, Hey, call them up and pay them to help me.
So I was like, okay, how do I do this?
So I started with dream analysis.
And I started meditating.
Now, my meditation practice was really bizarre at the time
because again, it's me reading it from books, not really
understanding, but I was learning how to quiet the mind
and how to get in that very thoughtful, expanded state.
So I just continued that practice.
Dream Analysis helped me learn what I call like a
second language so that I could interpret and process
nonverbal communication.
Which is typically how you might receive information,
say, from a guide, in dreams, for the meditation.
So that was a big step for me.
And then 2008, I was, so fast forward many years later,
I was with my daughter in a bookstore, and I was walking
up and down the aisle of the book, and at the time,
at the bookstore, at the time it was the occult.
because that's what they named all of this.
So I'm walking down, what can I read next?
What can I read next?
And I see the book and the book is The Journey
of Robert Monroe.
And I, I just was in shock because this is that place.
This was a book about that place that I had read
about so many years ago and just didn't really think
I could ever get there.
So I bought the book, read the book.
By the end of the book, I had bought all the Gateway series,
which is a, then it was six.
a package that I could go through all of these
exercises, which we call meditations, um, until
explaining the gateway process, which is our
flagship program here.
Before I was done, I was like, I don't care
if I have the money.
I don't care how I do it.
I've got to go.
And so I was there by March of 2009, taking my first gateway.
So that's how I got started.
Rod Bland: That, that must have been exciting.
I've, I've, uh, one of my ambitions is to be able
to go and do the gateway program actually at the
Monroe Institute, not just the, the virtual one.
And was it, uh, was it Far Journeys?
Was that the book, the first book that you read?
Allyn Evans: No, actually it was the journey
of Robert Monroe.
Rod Bland: Oh, it's called The Journey of Robert Monroe.
Okay.
Allyn Evans: written by Ron Russell, who
was a friend of his.
And what I love about the book is it, it's a very
real explanation of the man.
So it introduces weaknesses, strengths, and then the
story of how it all unfolded.
Rod Bland: Oh, interesting.
I've never run across that one.
And I've read all of Robert Monroe's books like several
Allyn Evans: Right.
I've read those.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah.
Allyn Evans: for me came later.
I wasn't interested in out of body.
I didn't even know, when I first showed up here, I wasn't
concentrating on that at all.
And then the other thing I was telling Scooter McMonigle
today, who's married to Joe McMonigle, who's also
Bob Monroe's, uh, daughter, um, I said, you know, when
I came here, Joe was here, and he came to speak, and
I had no idea who he was.
And there were people in the room at Gateway
that just went crazy.
And I'm going, who is this guy?
And he was a remote viewer 001 for a government
program in the 70s, I believe is when it started.
So again, I was so, I had this tunnel vision about developing
my intuitive abilities that I didn't focus on the other
things that this place offers.
Rod Bland: You went to the gateway program.
So can you tell us about your experience going through that?
Okay.
Allyn Evans: it's interesting because I've
been a Gateway trainer.
For several years, and I'm not doing that now, but, um, about
a decade, I was doing Gateway.
And, from my own experience, I was one of the people that
I was having, I had, um, let's say I had experiences, I knew
something was happening on a deeper level, and I also
realized it once I left, but it wasn't the spectacular
experiences that you do hear about some people having.
So you'll find it, at least from my observation, it
happens one or two ways.
And so some people will just have these incredible
meditations that they're talking to deceased loved
ones and, uh, you know, having these connections to guidance
that they can actually have some kind of real, uh, feel
like a real experience.
And then there's others who it's more subtle and
it's more of an opening and receiving, but maybe you just,
in one meditation, you see a symbol of a rose, let's say.
You're not over there talking to your deceased loved one.
But that rose has a very powerful message for you.
So I was more on that track when I first showed
up, but again, I knew it was very important.
And I had been listening to those CDs that, yeah, they
were CDs at the time, um, before I got there and was
already having things happen.
Rod Bland: I've got a number of other questions here.
Tell us about your, your meditation practice.
Cause you just mentioned that briefly and you, and you start
off with a, a bizarre one.
Can you, what's your current meditation practice look like?
Allyn Evans: I would say, well, this was in the
beginning when I didn't know what I was doing.
It was just more finding time.
I tended to like to do that in the bedroom.
That was a private.
And I would just try to go for extended periods of time, uh,
either doing something like a Wayne Dyer would say with
the, the alming or the toning, or again, trying to just have
an affirmation that helped me stay focused on either the
affirmation or clear my head.
Once I found the, the technology, Hemisync,
then the tool, that tool helped me do that.
And also because the meditations or exercises
are purpose driven, very instructional, then that was
my, you know, the next step.
And that's what I still do today.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
I find them really, really useful as well.
Sometimes as if I just don't want to sit down and try to
be quiet and, and the, uh, the HemiSync is good for
if you've, if my, I've got the um, the rabbit brain going,
I call it, then, then that really just quietens things
down and you can actually have a bit of peace for a while,
which is really, really good.
So after you did that, how did you go from actually attending
the, the gateway program to becoming a trainer to then
like your current role?
How did that evolve?
Allyn Evans: Right.
So when you, when you take two programs, then you have
an option if you're interested in helping, you know,
spread this out to others or teach it or train it.
We have a program called Outreach.
where you can teach basically the first two days of Gateway.
It's a little bit different, but it's, it's pri it's
similar in the material.
And so I did that the next year.
I signed up, went through the program, and then
the following year I was one of the, um, I did
more outreach programs than anybody in the us.
So that made me, um, they looked at me and said,
Hmm, what's she doing?
Because our U.
S.
outreach trainers tend to have trouble filling seats.
And so then I was asked to be the outreach
trainer, co trainer.
And then from that evolved Gateway in a
few years after that.
Rod Bland: Okay, so you really took to it like
a, like a fish to water.
Allyn Evans: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because
over the years, I have
and sometimes I've chided myself about this, about being
so narrowly focused on Monroe.
Monroe Sound Sciences, our evolution of that, um,
that I maybe I was missing other teachings that would
have been very helpful to either to me or to others.
I teach, but I realize now sitting here.
That was probably all by design because that's where
I needed to be focused.
So that could be a just very clear channel.
of this process, this work, the sound technology.
Rod Bland: How's your view of consciousness and
consciousness studies?
How's that evolved since you've been involved with
the Monroe Institute?
Allyn Evans: That's an interesting question.
I mean, as far as research, we're getting
more and more active.
We just recently hired, as of January this year, hired
a full time researcher, co director of research.
And before that, we were usually having, well, I'd
say for five years before that, we had one researcher,
also co director of research, who would only be able to
give us one day a week.
So, it's exciting now to really be able to focus on
this and to look and see what's happening in the
brain when we're doing these meditations, when we're
using the sound technology.
We've got a program called Discovery.
We've got a few others that we now use the
MindMirror EEG system.
Are you familiar with
Rod Bland: I have not heard about that.
So tell us about that too.
Allyn Evans: So, that was created by Max Cade.
And it's a way to, it's a, the, I think it's a four
channel, but it's a way to measure the pat, like what's
going on in the brain.
He was also innovative like Bob Monroe, started around
that same time, and he was like, okay, something is
happening in a healer's mind, a psychic's mind, a medium's
mind, that's different, that's happening to just every,
you know, everyday folks.
So he wanted to map that out.
And so he invited these people, these
individuals to his place.
And he used his Mind Mirror EEG system, and he discovered
that there were certain patterns, brainwave patterns,
that these particular individuals tended to have
or to be able to reach.
So, what we can do now is use that, those patterns,
when we're in meditations, using sound technology or
without sound technology, and we can see that we're
getting those patterns.
So, uh, mediums pattern, for example, very common
for a medium is called the awakened mind state.
And so when I'm saying patterns, that means there's
a certain amount of theta, there's a certain amount
of delta, certain amount of beta, which is where you're
more conscious and alert.
And they stay in a specific shape, and that's when
they can tap into source guidance information.
So, his theory was, the more people that can learn
how to do this, that he could train to do this.
Then the happier, more successful, more
prosperous, more peaceful individuals would be.
So now we have one of the individuals who's taking on
the MindMirror work, Judith Pennington, who trains courses
here with us, and we use the MindMirror, and she's just
blown away by what happens here with the brainwave
patterns and what we're able to reach and demonstrate.
Interestingly enough, they discovered that when people
have out of body experiences, the brainwaves collapse.
So it's literally like they're gone.
Rod Bland: Wow.
Allyn Evans: And so that's been a fun thing to see.
Rod Bland: So that's a revelation that's only
come about just recently.
This, the collapsing of the brainwaves.
Allyn Evans: That's my understanding that it's
something she realized here as she was gathering this data.
Rod Bland: I think it was in Daryl Anka's book, who
channels Bashar and I'm, I'm sure in his book, they
mentioned how he was, they hooked him up to a machine
and, and it was very consistent, like the the, the
pattern that his brain went into a very sort of almost
like a deep sleep pattern, but he was, he was, he's conscious
whenever he would sort of go into the channeling because
he's like a more of a sort of a semi conscious channel.
Allyn Evans: That's the interesting part, because
when you're doing this and you have a big band of theta, you
know, you're really in that theta state, a lot of people
can't, aren't conscious.
They, they haven't had training to be consciously
aware of what's happening.
And that's when we're in those, uh, like those states
between sleep and awake.
Uh, when we're, when we're having access to that
subconscious information, and so it's very, it's a
good way, you know, it's good to learn that because
you can access more of your total self, in my opinion,
if you're able to do that.
And interestingly enough, I did the sound technology for
10 years before I actually had my own mind mirror session.
and, and it, it was a little nerve wracking for
me because it was in a conference room straight.
I was sitting a straight back chair.
My back was sore, and they were asking me
to do this on demand.
And a board member was there doing it with me,
and I was a trainer.
I was like, oh, what if I blow this?
You know, I didn't really know what I was doing, but
I was like, oh my, oh, this could be just terrible.
I did it anyway.
So within the first, it was a 20 minute session.
She verbally guided it so she could later ask
what was happening during the specific parts.
As we looked at the pattern, you know, unfolding.
So she said that she reported that I was able
to go to a theta state, a really heavy band of theta
within less than 30 seconds without sound technology.
So that told me, wow, okay, this stuff is doing something.
You know, it's helped me do this very easily.
And then I maintain the Awaken Mind state, which is
the one the mediums and the healers tend to first go to.
And I stayed in that for 97 percent of a 20 minute
session when I was in pain.
And there were people walking around in bright
lights and I was sitting in a straight back chair.
Then the Evolved Brain is the one where you are starting
to possibly be channeling.
Or, you know, making some kind of stronger connection
to more than what's right around you, your total self.
I hit that 30 percent of the time.
Again, I, I believe it's because of the training that I
have done previously and the, the, you know, using the sound
technology on a regular basis.
But the interesting thing was, and this is what
kind of blew my mind.
When we're, when we were talking, like after it was
over, the board member went first, then it was my turn.
So he's just has this amazing experience.
I call them bells and whistles where it's just
like, you know, talking to again, maybe an angel or a
deceased loved one or maybe there's a bunny rabbit that's
talking to you as your guide.
And so he's, you know, telling about this fabulous thing that
just happened in 20 minutes.
And I'm going, I'm thinking to myself, uh, that's
not what happened here.
And I really started sinking down in my chair because I was
like, Oh, this is not good.
It was like my fears had come true.
So she started talking to me about it and she kept asking
me questions and I was going, no, nothing really happened.
No, no, because I didn't have, you know, with anything, not,
you know, not auditory, not visually, you know, nothing.
finally, she said, okay, what was happening right
here when I was talking about opening the door?
And all of a sudden I was like, wait a minute.
That is when I felt like I was in this complete state
of unconditional love.
And I was so supported and I was one with the universe,
you know, just kind of having that kind of moment.
And she goes, okay, that that's evolved.
That's the Evolved Mind state.
And that's when you opened up to that
channeling possibility.
Well, I was, you know, I just, I was going to
discard the whole thing.
So what, why it changed the way I look at this is
because I realized, yes, the bells and whistles are fun.
It's nice to have these experiences, but that's
not really why we're here.
That's not what we're doing.
We're wanting to reach that space.
That's very dark, very quiet, very still, and
just filling us with.
Love and support.
Rod Bland: So was that one of the sort of more defining
moments that you've had or have you had any other um,
moments or experiences that have really changed your
perspective or what you think about consciousness?
Allyn Evans: That certainly did, uh, change my perspective
again, because I just thought it was more about what I
was receiving in a, in a two way communication system.
So, yes, that, that certainly did.
And then, um, I've had other experiences that,
it's interesting, it's more like breadcrumbs.
And when you, that's why we always say please journal,
journal everything, because when you look back you see
that you're, you're given little hints and breadcrumbs
to help you follow the path, the path that's yours
to follow, even though you might be afraid, even
though you might have, you know, fears about,
um, your ability to do it.
Whether you think, think you have the resources,
whether you think that you have the skills, whatever
it is, um, but you can see that you're, it's a, it's
an unfolding of a jigsaw puzzle, and sometimes it
takes years before you see it.
And so me sitting in this position, I definitely had
a lot of those moments where I was like, okay, now, why
did I have that meditation and that experience?
when there's no way that I would end up in this
position or, um, disinvolved.
I remember reading my journals after the first
year of me starting this process, coming to Monroe.
I had not, I had totally forgotten.
That I had been receiving information because I'm
auditory, so I hear things, um, that I've been receiving
information that the Monroe Institute needed me.
And I was embarrassed to write, I would say,
okay, this is crazy.
I'm going to write it down anyway, but I keep
getting this message.
And I'd forgotten it.
Well, a year later, I'm reading my journal, and
I am now leading the local chapter network.
Which was now the Monroe Community Groups.
I'm the chair of launching the entire project worldwide.
When I was getting the messages, I was a stay
at home mom with some random contracts, feeling
very underutilized and wanting to be of service.
So that, that was a, that's when I realized, or I
guess a way for me to look back and go, you know, we
really are supported, we really are guided, and we
just have to pay attention.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
But pay attention.
Yeah.
Sometimes the messages are subtle, aren't they?
Allyn Evans: Ah, yes, that's why you write them down too,
because sometimes it makes zero sense, because maybe it
is just a symbol of a rose,
it sometimes is like a big jigsaw puzzle with all
these tiny little pieces.
that you're putting together over time.
And again, it could be 10 years.
It could be 20 years.
It could be one year.
Rod Bland: Did you ever get to meet Bob Monroe
before he passed on?
Oh
Allyn Evans: Now, he taught in 1995 and
Rod Bland: was a fair while after.
Allyn Evans: yeah, I was 2009 when I showed up.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Um, there was someone else whose books I really
enjoyed was Bruce Moen.
I think he was an attend, I know he was still an attendee
there after Bob passed on, and then after his wife,
was his wife Nancy, I think?
Was he someone that was around during your time or?
Allyn Evans: no.
Rod Bland: Yep.
Yeah.
There's, there's, there's like, they're all, they're
all veterans, aren't they?
It's such a old, I guess Bob's books are like
written in the 80s.
Uh, that's, yeah, we're going back a fair way.
Um, and then the other one, the more, I think
it was actually, it was Tom Campbell's books.
Um, that's, uh, that's, I think that's how many
of us found out about the Monroe Institute.
Allyn Evans: And I do know Tom.
He's a wonderful man.
Rod Bland: Yeah, he's very, very generous with his time.
He's, I think he's probably one of the most widely, if not
the most widely interviewed person who I know of that's
been at the Monroe Institute.
He's very, very generous.
So the, the focus, uh, the, when I first heard about focus
levels was actually in Bruce Mowen's books, which, uh, was
at voyages into the afterlife.
And so could you tell us a little bit about, uh,
what the focus levels are and, you know, how that
fits into the programs?
Allyn Evans: So this is, it's really the system
that Bob Monroe created.
And he, it was like a map of consciousness.
So what he discovered is when we were putting together
different frequencies, People tended to have similar
experiences, and not, not similar outcomes, but the
first one, focus 10, and I say first, they're not,
there's no order, and Bob, Bob Monroe tried to help
it not be hierarchical, hierarchical because of the,
um, because he didn't want it Look that way, but when you
have, you know, 10, 12, 15, that's what it sounds like.
You know, it sounds like one, the higher
level must be better.
That's not the case.
But focus 10 is body asleep, mind awake.
It's one of, to me, it's one of the most exciting
focus levels because that's where you really learn that.
When I was talking about reaching those theta states
and having a lot of delta going on, but you have
beta too, you are alert.
You can remember the experiences.
So it's a really great training focus level and
you literally will feel like your body's asleep.
And you, I remember when I was doing it at home before I
came here, I would have these moments when I was doing Focus
10 and I would hear somebody breathing very heavily.
And I was like, you know, and I would just
be going in my head.
It would kind of scare me like, who, who, what is that?
Where, where am I hearing that?
Well, it would be me.
My body was asleep.
So, I mean, you literally in those, when you get
into those very heavy focus level, focus 10 level
states, you can be snoring and go, okay, who's snoring?
It's me.
Um, so it's an interesting phenomena.
Focus 12 is another level.
And that's the way I look at that is it's, it's
an expansion of self.
It's where we're looking at total self of access.
So some people might say higher self.
And that's where a lot of nonverbal communication can
come in, uh, from, it's, you can think of it like a
dream state, a meditative state that's, uh, where
you're able to access those different parts of yourself,
maybe an inner child, maybe it's a, uh, pieces of your
soul that you're trying to bring back to you.
And then focus 15 is no time.
It's called the void.
And it's where we can really play around with, uh, past,
future, uh, present moment.
And it's a, it's a state really of initiation.
It usually means you want to be initiating something
so that something occurs.
Otherwise it can tend to just be this silent void that
you're in, which is nice too.
then Focus 21, the way I look at Focus 21 is that
we're going beyond and that's where we're, we're really
stepping into that space.
that we can reach out to deceased loved ones,
guidance, things like that.
And then focus 27, we call the park.
And that's just, it's, it's interesting.
This has this amazing energy now, because so many of
us have gone there in our meditations and it seems to
almost have a structure to it.
Like you'll go there and see the healing center.
You can go there and see the, um, the book,
the hall of records.
You can.
Go there and, um, even we have a class called X27,
where you go build your place there that you can, when
you go meditate, you can go hang out in that space.
So it's a, it's one of my favorites just because of
how broad and, um, and, and we, so many of us have
shared experiences there.
So that's just a few of them, the basic ones.
Rod Bland: So, your everyday work and the people you're
involved with, uh, and I guess kind of what I do as well,
you, you get used to the idea that we're working and talking
about things that a lot of people are very skeptical of.
And so what, what do you generally say to people
who doubt the legitimacy of phenomena like OBEs
or psychic abilities?
Allyn Evans: You know, so one of the things we pride
ourselves in is that we want you to have the experience.
We don't, you know, so I'm sitting here telling you about
some of my experiences, but what I really want to happen
is for you to come here, you to get on our app, you
to come to a program, not to give me money, but for
you to have the experience.
And the sound technology is a key driver for that.
I mean, we had a Buddhist sceptic in the 1990s
that came from Canada.
He was the head of an order and he spent one week with us.
And at the end, he was like, you Americans,
y'all figure out the shortcuts to everything.
And he realized that this was a fast track compared
to years and years and years and years of sitting.
And it is.
I mean, you can be in those states and hold those
states for extended periods, periods of time without
discipline, you know, except the discipline of the 30
minutes, 45 minutes that you listen to the meditation.
Rod Bland: I've always been fascinated by the
out of body experience.
That's kind of my go to thing and I've been
successful one time.
So I'm, I'm interested in being more successful
than just, than just once.
So, you know, what would you say to someone in my position
as far as, okay, well, I'm thinking about doing something
with Monroe institute.
What should I do?
Allyn Evans: Uh, well, so we do have OBE spectrum,
which I have trained, and that gives you a lot of
different ways to experience or view an out of body.
Most people, now when you had yours, was it a, would
you call it a traditional type experience, a classic
experience where you're, you know that you're out, you
know, then you can look down at your body where you've
left it, maybe a silver cord, maybe a vibration
before all that happens.
Rod Bland: It wasn't quite that because my.
My intentions, I'd, I'd, uh, I followed, uh, Michael
Roduga's methodology.
So it was, I was, I'd just woken up and I just managed to
catch myself as I'd woken up.
And I was thinking about standing in front of
the bathroom mirror and then I was in front of
the bathroom mirror.
So that's, and so it was away from my body, like
in a different floor of the house at that point.
So I didn't get to see that, but that, that
was the only difference.
I would say the rest of it was fairly similar to what
other people have described.
Yep.
Allyn Evans: and so that the, what we find is people
really want the classic traditional experience,
just what I was explaining.
What we teach at the OB Spectrum Program is that
there's so many different ways for this to happen.
And it's really more about the outcome, not how you get
there, but we certainly have, you know, meditations and
exercises and information that we teach in that program that
helps people have experiences.
And it's not always a guarantee.
You know, it's not a guarantee.
We can't guarantee that, but we are leaving you
with tools to work with.
And everybody can do it.
It's really just a matter of staying alert and aware.
And that's why the Focus 10 training is so powerful.
Because you're training yourself to remain alert
Rod Bland: The falling asleep, I can't, I can't
really prevent that, doesn't matter how much I try, but
once you've had some sleep and then catching it when
I wake up seems to be, you know, that seems to
be the ideal opportunity, I think it's different
for different people.
Allyn Evans: Yeah, that's actually the ideal
opportunity for me too.
But I also found afternoons, um, and I would run two 45
minute exercises together.
And I found sometimes that could be helpful too.
But morning and that, that space between waking up and,
um, and then getting out of bed, if you can, if you can
build in time to hang out there and just right after
you've woken up, then you're, you're more likely to be
in that state and be able to return to, uh, something
similar that's got you in a lot of theta, delta, and
then of course the beta,
Rod Bland: It's amazing to me that it's so, uh, related
to a particular state of your brain, which is a very,
seems, it's a very sort of scientific approach to me.
That was what I was encouraged by is like,
okay, well, if I wasn't born with psychic abilities,
like you, the person who was three years old, then
what hope do we have?
But you know, there is a way to, to tap into that
just by applying a little bit of science it seems.
Allyn Evans: right?
It works?
Rod Bland: So, I have a question that I ask a
lot of my guests is about what advice would you have
for 25 year old Allyn?
Allyn Evans: Hmm.
You know, I was already very curious when I was
25 and that's, uh, I actually probably started
reading those, those books when I was 27, 28.
but what would I tell, you know, really, so I'm going to
be very, um, vulnerable here, but I was so self critical,
so had so many self doubts.
And so I think that's where I got in my way.
Just even when I wanted to be an outreach trainer, after
being here for Gateway, and then you take another program,
I almost didn't ask about it.
Because my thought was, why would they want me?
And I just made, I made myself do it.
At least, thank God I had a little bit of courage mixed
in there, because I, you know, that's how I think I keep
moving forward, is because I can pull out the courage card.
Uh, or be afraid and do it anyway, um, but that,
that would be, I would say, Hey, get over it.
And the other thing I would say to my 25 year old self
is not everybody's going to like you and that's okay.
Those are the two things.
Rod Bland: I've asked that question to a few people,
that's really powerful.
Not everyone's going to like you.
Allyn Evans: Right.
Rod Bland: Yeah, and that's, and that's okay.
That's, that's really good.
Allyn Evans: and I had a meditation that brought
that home to me and I heard this booming voice.
It was a male voice and it was, I just said, Allyn, not
everybody's going to like you.
And I was like, Oh, Oh.
Okay.
You know, but up until that point, that's not
how I could see it.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
That's really useful for me.
I've got a history as a chronic people pleaser.
So yeah.
Allyn Evans: too.
That's, I wrote a book that has that in the subtitle.
Rod Bland: sO if, if people wanted to, people may
have questions for you.
Um, I'll get you to talk a bit more about the programs that
the Monaro students seek, but if they, if they wanted to
ask you questions personally, is, is that something you'd
be open to and what's the best way for them to do that?
Allyn Evans: So we have info at MonroeInstitute.
org, that would be a good way to send an email, and if it's
specifically for me, just say that they would, you know,
ask to, for me to view it, and they'll pass it on to me.
Rod Bland: Okay, cool.
Allyn Evans: And it might be answered by someone
else, if it's not something that, you know, if they're
just generic questions that somebody on staff
might know the answer to.
Rod Bland: Yep, so can you give us a bit of an overview
of what the Munro Institute does for people who may not
have heard about them before?
Allyn Evans: we offer programs, and we have
about, I can't even tell you the number now.
I think it's about 30 different types of programs,
and they have different focuses, and some of them
are on the focus level system, and some are not.
Some are Monroe Sound Science, which is not including
the focus level system.
Um, but it's, uh, it's a way for an individual, so if they
come to a program, it's a way to have a very structured
experience with purpose.
For example, Gateway is the flagship where that's
the introduction to the basic, uh, focus levels.
And then we have one lifeline that's about soul
retrieval, soul retrieval of yourself and soul retrieval
of others who've passed on.
We have, um, guidelines, so that'd be more about guidance.
We have X27, which is exploring that, the
park, the Focus 27 level and so on and so on.
And then we have other ones like near death experience,
Heartline, which is focused on the heart energy.
There's, we have anything you would want that could,
you know, move someone forward just depending on
what the purpose is, what they're trying to accomplish.
Rod Bland: And so you have some that, uh, are done
actually at the Institute there in Virginia, and then
you have some online things and apps as well, don't you?
Allyn Evans: Right.
We have about a thousand people who come here a year.
And then we have virtual programs, which some are, um,
a week long, some are like two weekends, so that you can
not have to use, if you're, if you're someone that works
Monday through Friday, uh, you just are having two weekends
to cover the material.
And then we have some shorter virtual programs.
We also have online programs.
So those are, they're guided by a trainer.
There's email, you can email them or chat with them.
And then there's a, usually a video session once a week or
a Zoom session once a week.
So, we have that format, and then we also have it where you
just are getting the material without any guidance, and
those are our lowest price points, and so it's really
easy in an inexpensive way to experience what we do.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
I learned about the Lifeline program from Bruce, uh,
Moen's book, and I think that's absolutely fascinating.
Do you, do you, is there been anybody that's been
through that program or do you know of any experience
that somebody's had that was particularly profound that
you could tell us about?
Allyn Evans: Hmm, you know, it's hard, sometimes
it's hard for me to remember different stories,
but I have one that I just recalled.
Uh, Candy Sanderson, who is the author of
The Reluctant Messenger.
So it might be a book that, I think it's a great book,
so I think your audience would be interested.
But she came, she was coming here for about 10 years, and
she took Lifeline, and she got a download of someone who had
passed on, and she received their name, where they lived,
and just more information, and she was able to verify
it, like immediately after the session was over, the That
seemed to open this huge door for her, where then, about,
I think it was a few weeks later, might have been a month
or two later, she started, as she would be driving to work
every morning, she started getting all these downloads.
And she's, she verbally recorded them.
You know, had a tape recorder that she just
recorded everything, then she transcribed everything, and
that's what's in the book.
And it's, so she's in a whole different space now,
with this gift that was, Uh, Gifted at Lifeline.
Rod Bland: Wow, what was her purpose for doing,
obviously she didn't know how it was going to turn out.
What was her purpose for coming there
in the first place?
Was it just because she had a relative that had passed on?
Allyn Evans: no, so I'm not sure why she picked Lifeline.
It might have been that a friend wanted to go,
but she'd already been coming for several years,
and she actually was one of the founding members of the
local chapter network with me.
So we were just both very passionate about the
organization, so she would come like once a year.
And that lifeline just happened to be the one she
selected about, I think it was 10 years after she started.
Rod Bland: So what's in the future for yourself
and the Monroe Institute?
How do you see our understanding of
consciousness evolving as humans as time goes by?
Allyn Evans: You know, one of our things that we're
doing right now is a huge, we have this huge aspiration
to reach 1 percent of the world's population, which
right now is about 80 million, with a direct experience.
Because we believe the more people that can
get into these states of awareness and maintain them.
Then we really can change the world.
And of course there are other organizations
with similar goals.
So altogether, if we all focus on our 1%, uh,
we'll eventually have a tipping point, I believe.
And I think that's what's driving us now.
Rod Bland: So do you have a final positive message
that you could leave people with before we wrap up
the conversation today?
Allyn Evans: Yes, I do.
This is possible for anyone and everyone, and
we have this amazing sound technology that cuts out all
of the years of discipline and training and can help
you reach these powerful states for yourself, have
these amazing experiences.
Have these amazing experiences yourself.
Rod Bland: Awesome.
Allyn Evans: do it.
Rod Bland: Yes, and I can recommend it too as someone
who has, I've struggled with meditation and like being
able to focus in the, the, uh, the HemiSync technology
is really, really useful for helping people with that.
If you do have trouble just quieting your mind, I can
thoroughly recommend it and it's not expensive at all.
Allyn Evans: Right.
then the Monroe Sound Science is, you know,
the evolution of that.
And then we've got the apps.
It's real, there's a free section on there.
So anyone can get started and listen to this
stuff and experience.
Rod Bland: yeah.
All right, Alan, it's been great talking with you today.
You've been very generous with your time, so I appreciate
you taking the time out to have a chat with me all
the way over in Australia.
Allyn Evans: Thank you.
I enjoyed it.