1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,729 Allyn Evans: And I was walking up and down the 2 00:00:01,730 --> 00:00:04,500 aisle at the bookstore, at the time it was the occult. 3 00:00:05,685 --> 00:00:07,634 because that's what they named all of this. 4 00:00:08,035 --> 00:00:10,394 So I'm walking down, what can I read next? 5 00:00:10,394 --> 00:00:11,204 What can I read next? 6 00:00:11,495 --> 00:00:13,805 And I see the book and the book is The Journey 7 00:00:13,855 --> 00:00:14,685 of Robert Monroe. 8 00:00:16,145 --> 00:00:19,614 And I, I just was in shock because this is that place. 9 00:00:20,194 --> 00:00:22,334 This was a book about that place that I had read 10 00:00:22,334 --> 00:00:25,594 about so many years ago and just didn't really think 11 00:00:25,694 --> 00:00:26,994 I could ever get there. 12 00:00:30,204 --> 00:00:33,404 Rod Bland: My guest today is Allyn Evans, who's the current 13 00:00:33,404 --> 00:00:35,304 CEO of the Monroe Institute. 14 00:00:35,574 --> 00:00:36,284 Allyn, welcome. 15 00:00:36,324 --> 00:00:37,614 And thanks for coming on the show. 16 00:00:38,509 --> 00:00:39,249 Allyn Evans: Thank you. 17 00:00:40,429 --> 00:00:41,279 Glad to be here. 18 00:00:42,094 --> 00:00:43,054 Rod Bland: Well, I've been looking forward to 19 00:00:43,054 --> 00:00:46,724 this conversation and it's taken us a while to get the 20 00:00:46,894 --> 00:00:50,664 calendars to sync up, but I'd like to start with some 21 00:00:50,694 --> 00:00:53,294 background of what your life was like growing up. 22 00:00:53,294 --> 00:00:55,174 And then can you tell us about what led to your role 23 00:00:55,174 --> 00:00:56,434 at the Monroe Institute? 24 00:00:57,499 --> 00:00:57,929 Allyn Evans: Sure. 25 00:00:58,169 --> 00:01:01,849 So I grew up in Mississippi in a small town and just a 26 00:01:01,849 --> 00:01:05,834 very solid family of friends and neighbors environment, 27 00:01:06,584 --> 00:01:09,234 so definitely grew up with a lot of support, 28 00:01:09,734 --> 00:01:13,774 and as I grew older I started getting, a young adult, I 29 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:17,304 started getting very curious about things I was reading, 30 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:20,974 and it would be associated with this concept, just 31 00:01:20,974 --> 00:01:23,234 like what we say here at Monroe, you're more than your 32 00:01:23,234 --> 00:01:28,144 physical body, is what we ask you to believe, that, wow, 33 00:01:28,464 --> 00:01:31,034 I am more than my physical body, and the way I was 34 00:01:31,034 --> 00:01:33,469 raised, I didn't know that. 35 00:01:34,199 --> 00:01:36,189 So I was reading these books that were just 36 00:01:36,189 --> 00:01:39,909 blowing my mind, you know, reshaping my paradigm there. 37 00:01:40,349 --> 00:01:43,459 And, um, I started getting very curious. 38 00:01:43,469 --> 00:01:44,779 So I was always was curious. 39 00:01:45,449 --> 00:01:48,059 So I started seeking and trying to figure out, 40 00:01:48,059 --> 00:01:51,209 well, if these people that I'm reading about can do 41 00:01:51,209 --> 00:01:54,029 these things, like be more intuitive, be more psychic, 42 00:01:54,499 --> 00:01:56,319 um, have these experiences. 43 00:01:56,689 --> 00:01:59,219 Well, I should be able to, right. 44 00:01:59,259 --> 00:02:00,229 And that's, uh, I was just. 45 00:02:00,749 --> 00:02:03,399 Going after it and trying to solve that problem and 46 00:02:03,429 --> 00:02:05,169 trying to figure it out. 47 00:02:06,029 --> 00:02:08,919 It dawned on me one time when I was reading a book from 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,749 a psychic who said this is how you do it and I've been 49 00:02:12,749 --> 00:02:14,329 doing it since I was three. 50 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:18,389 That, wait a minute, if you've been doing it 51 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:21,409 since you were three, how are you gonna teach me? 52 00:02:22,449 --> 00:02:24,649 Because I haven't been doing it since I was three. 53 00:02:25,069 --> 00:02:27,359 I'm probably, you know, by then I was like probably 54 00:02:27,359 --> 00:02:28,819 late 20s early 30s. 55 00:02:29,519 --> 00:02:33,829 So I had some other things I had to learn how to do to, 56 00:02:33,839 --> 00:02:35,379 you know, to reach that state. 57 00:02:36,009 --> 00:02:39,929 So I started again reading more books and I found the 58 00:02:39,929 --> 00:02:41,409 Monroe Institute in books. 59 00:02:42,509 --> 00:02:45,499 And when I did that, it was years before the internet. 60 00:02:46,579 --> 00:02:49,159 So I couldn't just get on here and Google and go, what is it? 61 00:02:49,729 --> 00:02:53,389 But I just knew it as this mysterious place somewhere 62 00:02:53,389 --> 00:02:58,099 out there that people seem to develop these skills that 63 00:02:58,099 --> 00:02:59,619 I was seeking to develop. 64 00:03:00,269 --> 00:03:03,429 So, I, I just, I read the books, I kept thinking 65 00:03:03,429 --> 00:03:06,349 about it, I then went on my own self taught path. 66 00:03:06,409 --> 00:03:09,369 I didn't have a teacher, and it was probably because 67 00:03:09,389 --> 00:03:14,099 I didn't have the courage to go out and say, Hey, I'm 68 00:03:14,099 --> 00:03:17,359 looking for this, I'm looking for that teacher, didn't 69 00:03:17,359 --> 00:03:21,489 have the resources to go, you know, pay one of the authors 70 00:03:21,489 --> 00:03:23,729 and go, Hey, call them up and pay them to help me. 71 00:03:24,339 --> 00:03:26,509 So I was like, okay, how do I do this? 72 00:03:26,519 --> 00:03:28,229 So I started with dream analysis. 73 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:30,729 And I started meditating. 74 00:03:30,749 --> 00:03:33,819 Now, my meditation practice was really bizarre at the time 75 00:03:34,469 --> 00:03:37,169 because again, it's me reading it from books, not really 76 00:03:37,169 --> 00:03:40,729 understanding, but I was learning how to quiet the mind 77 00:03:40,819 --> 00:03:46,069 and how to get in that very thoughtful, expanded state. 78 00:03:47,409 --> 00:03:48,929 So I just continued that practice. 79 00:03:49,009 --> 00:03:51,959 Dream Analysis helped me learn what I call like a 80 00:03:51,959 --> 00:03:59,179 second language so that I could interpret and process 81 00:03:59,469 --> 00:04:00,989 nonverbal communication. 82 00:04:01,659 --> 00:04:06,639 Which is typically how you might receive information, 83 00:04:06,679 --> 00:04:09,769 say, from a guide, in dreams, for the meditation. 84 00:04:10,839 --> 00:04:12,209 So that was a big step for me. 85 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:17,189 And then 2008, I was, so fast forward many years later, 86 00:04:17,509 --> 00:04:21,959 I was with my daughter in a bookstore, and I was walking 87 00:04:21,969 --> 00:04:23,739 up and down the aisle of the book, and at the time, 88 00:04:23,769 --> 00:04:26,269 at the bookstore, at the time it was the occult. 89 00:04:27,454 --> 00:04:29,404 because that's what they named all of this. 90 00:04:29,804 --> 00:04:32,164 So I'm walking down, what can I read next? 91 00:04:32,164 --> 00:04:32,974 What can I read next? 92 00:04:33,264 --> 00:04:35,574 And I see the book and the book is The Journey 93 00:04:35,624 --> 00:04:36,454 of Robert Monroe. 94 00:04:37,914 --> 00:04:41,384 And I, I just was in shock because this is that place. 95 00:04:41,964 --> 00:04:44,104 This was a book about that place that I had read 96 00:04:44,104 --> 00:04:47,364 about so many years ago and just didn't really think 97 00:04:47,464 --> 00:04:48,764 I could ever get there. 98 00:04:49,244 --> 00:04:51,094 So I bought the book, read the book. 99 00:04:51,104 --> 00:04:54,004 By the end of the book, I had bought all the Gateway series, 100 00:04:54,004 --> 00:04:55,984 which is a, then it was six. 101 00:04:56,589 --> 00:04:58,739 a package that I could go through all of these 102 00:04:58,809 --> 00:05:02,719 exercises, which we call meditations, um, until 103 00:05:03,409 --> 00:05:06,229 explaining the gateway process, which is our 104 00:05:06,229 --> 00:05:07,889 flagship program here. 105 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:10,259 Before I was done, I was like, I don't care 106 00:05:10,259 --> 00:05:11,179 if I have the money. 107 00:05:11,349 --> 00:05:12,589 I don't care how I do it. 108 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:13,429 I've got to go. 109 00:05:14,469 --> 00:05:18,489 And so I was there by March of 2009, taking my first gateway. 110 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:20,789 So that's how I got started. 111 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:23,274 Rod Bland: That, that must have been exciting. 112 00:05:23,274 --> 00:05:26,324 I've, I've, uh, one of my ambitions is to be able 113 00:05:26,364 --> 00:05:28,284 to go and do the gateway program actually at the 114 00:05:28,284 --> 00:05:30,954 Monroe Institute, not just the, the virtual one. 115 00:05:31,304 --> 00:05:33,384 And was it, uh, was it Far Journeys? 116 00:05:33,384 --> 00:05:35,194 Was that the book, the first book that you read? 117 00:05:36,109 --> 00:05:37,679 Allyn Evans: No, actually it was the journey 118 00:05:37,709 --> 00:05:38,689 of Robert Monroe. 119 00:05:38,734 --> 00:05:40,244 Rod Bland: Oh, it's called The Journey of Robert Monroe. 120 00:05:40,244 --> 00:05:42,399 Okay. 121 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:43,629 Allyn Evans: written by Ron Russell, who 122 00:05:43,629 --> 00:05:44,599 was a friend of his. 123 00:05:45,149 --> 00:05:48,789 And what I love about the book is it, it's a very 124 00:05:48,809 --> 00:05:50,619 real explanation of the man. 125 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,159 So it introduces weaknesses, strengths, and then the 126 00:05:55,159 --> 00:05:56,879 story of how it all unfolded. 127 00:05:57,814 --> 00:05:58,434 Rod Bland: Oh, interesting. 128 00:05:58,434 --> 00:05:59,774 I've never run across that one. 129 00:05:59,804 --> 00:06:02,274 And I've read all of Robert Monroe's books like several 130 00:06:02,469 --> 00:06:02,899 Allyn Evans: Right. 131 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:03,789 I've read those. 132 00:06:03,794 --> 00:06:04,244 Rod Bland: Yeah. 133 00:06:04,384 --> 00:06:04,784 Yeah. 134 00:06:05,129 --> 00:06:06,089 Allyn Evans: for me came later. 135 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:08,029 I wasn't interested in out of body. 136 00:06:08,369 --> 00:06:11,809 I didn't even know, when I first showed up here, I wasn't 137 00:06:11,899 --> 00:06:13,289 concentrating on that at all. 138 00:06:14,329 --> 00:06:16,479 And then the other thing I was telling Scooter McMonigle 139 00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:19,019 today, who's married to Joe McMonigle, who's also 140 00:06:19,019 --> 00:06:24,429 Bob Monroe's, uh, daughter, um, I said, you know, when 141 00:06:24,429 --> 00:06:27,959 I came here, Joe was here, and he came to speak, and 142 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:29,309 I had no idea who he was. 143 00:06:30,099 --> 00:06:31,829 And there were people in the room at Gateway 144 00:06:31,829 --> 00:06:33,099 that just went crazy. 145 00:06:33,429 --> 00:06:34,749 And I'm going, who is this guy? 146 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,549 And he was a remote viewer 001 for a government 147 00:06:39,559 --> 00:06:43,099 program in the 70s, I believe is when it started. 148 00:06:43,709 --> 00:06:48,609 So again, I was so, I had this tunnel vision about developing 149 00:06:48,609 --> 00:06:51,749 my intuitive abilities that I didn't focus on the other 150 00:06:51,749 --> 00:06:53,349 things that this place offers. 151 00:06:53,529 --> 00:06:55,299 Rod Bland: You went to the gateway program. 152 00:06:55,309 --> 00:06:57,689 So can you tell us about your experience going through that? 153 00:06:57,764 --> 00:06:59,264 Okay. 154 00:06:59,359 --> 00:07:01,009 Allyn Evans: it's interesting because I've 155 00:07:01,299 --> 00:07:02,329 been a Gateway trainer. 156 00:07:02,899 --> 00:07:06,189 For several years, and I'm not doing that now, but, um, about 157 00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:08,769 a decade, I was doing Gateway. 158 00:07:09,539 --> 00:07:13,259 And, from my own experience, I was one of the people that 159 00:07:13,669 --> 00:07:17,899 I was having, I had, um, let's say I had experiences, I knew 160 00:07:17,899 --> 00:07:21,109 something was happening on a deeper level, and I also 161 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:24,059 realized it once I left, but it wasn't the spectacular 162 00:07:24,059 --> 00:07:27,189 experiences that you do hear about some people having. 163 00:07:27,799 --> 00:07:31,069 So you'll find it, at least from my observation, it 164 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:32,659 happens one or two ways. 165 00:07:33,404 --> 00:07:35,924 And so some people will just have these incredible 166 00:07:35,924 --> 00:07:38,764 meditations that they're talking to deceased loved 167 00:07:38,764 --> 00:07:42,144 ones and, uh, you know, having these connections to guidance 168 00:07:42,144 --> 00:07:45,934 that they can actually have some kind of real, uh, feel 169 00:07:45,934 --> 00:07:47,104 like a real experience. 170 00:07:47,144 --> 00:07:50,994 And then there's others who it's more subtle and 171 00:07:50,994 --> 00:07:54,974 it's more of an opening and receiving, but maybe you just, 172 00:07:55,014 --> 00:07:58,484 in one meditation, you see a symbol of a rose, let's say. 173 00:07:58,834 --> 00:08:01,414 You're not over there talking to your deceased loved one. 174 00:08:01,779 --> 00:08:04,349 But that rose has a very powerful message for you. 175 00:08:04,429 --> 00:08:07,499 So I was more on that track when I first showed 176 00:08:07,499 --> 00:08:09,819 up, but again, I knew it was very important. 177 00:08:09,869 --> 00:08:12,889 And I had been listening to those CDs that, yeah, they 178 00:08:12,889 --> 00:08:17,419 were CDs at the time, um, before I got there and was 179 00:08:17,419 --> 00:08:19,099 already having things happen. 180 00:08:19,944 --> 00:08:22,234 Rod Bland: I've got a number of other questions here. 181 00:08:22,294 --> 00:08:24,434 Tell us about your, your meditation practice. 182 00:08:24,434 --> 00:08:26,994 Cause you just mentioned that briefly and you, and you start 183 00:08:26,994 --> 00:08:28,454 off with a, a bizarre one. 184 00:08:28,454 --> 00:08:30,824 Can you, what's your current meditation practice look like? 185 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,259 Allyn Evans: I would say, well, this was in the 186 00:08:33,259 --> 00:08:35,049 beginning when I didn't know what I was doing. 187 00:08:35,089 --> 00:08:37,219 It was just more finding time. 188 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:39,799 I tended to like to do that in the bedroom. 189 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:40,629 That was a private. 190 00:08:42,089 --> 00:08:45,789 And I would just try to go for extended periods of time, uh, 191 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:48,919 either doing something like a Wayne Dyer would say with 192 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:53,289 the, the alming or the toning, or again, trying to just have 193 00:08:53,289 --> 00:08:58,569 an affirmation that helped me stay focused on either the 194 00:08:58,569 --> 00:09:00,189 affirmation or clear my head. 195 00:09:00,819 --> 00:09:03,779 Once I found the, the technology, Hemisync, 196 00:09:04,199 --> 00:09:07,119 then the tool, that tool helped me do that. 197 00:09:07,119 --> 00:09:10,299 And also because the meditations or exercises 198 00:09:10,779 --> 00:09:14,109 are purpose driven, very instructional, then that was 199 00:09:14,109 --> 00:09:15,229 my, you know, the next step. 200 00:09:15,229 --> 00:09:16,719 And that's what I still do today. 201 00:09:17,384 --> 00:09:17,654 Rod Bland: Yeah. 202 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:19,414 I find them really, really useful as well. 203 00:09:19,424 --> 00:09:24,014 Sometimes as if I just don't want to sit down and try to 204 00:09:24,014 --> 00:09:28,344 be quiet and, and the, uh, the HemiSync is good for 205 00:09:28,344 --> 00:09:31,274 if you've, if my, I've got the um, the rabbit brain going, 206 00:09:31,274 --> 00:09:34,324 I call it, then, then that really just quietens things 207 00:09:34,324 --> 00:09:36,674 down and you can actually have a bit of peace for a while, 208 00:09:36,674 --> 00:09:37,774 which is really, really good. 209 00:09:38,764 --> 00:09:41,454 So after you did that, how did you go from actually attending 210 00:09:41,454 --> 00:09:44,554 the, the gateway program to becoming a trainer to then 211 00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:45,734 like your current role? 212 00:09:45,754 --> 00:09:46,454 How did that evolve? 213 00:09:47,339 --> 00:09:47,769 Allyn Evans: Right. 214 00:09:47,769 --> 00:09:51,319 So when you, when you take two programs, then you have 215 00:09:51,319 --> 00:09:53,629 an option if you're interested in helping, you know, 216 00:09:53,629 --> 00:09:56,249 spread this out to others or teach it or train it. 217 00:09:56,649 --> 00:09:58,469 We have a program called Outreach. 218 00:09:58,999 --> 00:10:02,539 where you can teach basically the first two days of Gateway. 219 00:10:02,659 --> 00:10:05,059 It's a little bit different, but it's, it's pri it's 220 00:10:05,059 --> 00:10:06,829 similar in the material. 221 00:10:07,239 --> 00:10:08,889 And so I did that the next year. 222 00:10:08,889 --> 00:10:11,819 I signed up, went through the program, and then 223 00:10:11,824 --> 00:10:15,019 the following year I was one of the, um, I did 224 00:10:15,019 --> 00:10:17,329 more outreach programs than anybody in the us. 225 00:10:18,969 --> 00:10:22,789 So that made me, um, they looked at me and said, 226 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:23,589 Hmm, what's she doing? 227 00:10:23,589 --> 00:10:24,269 Because our U. 228 00:10:24,269 --> 00:10:24,459 S. 229 00:10:24,609 --> 00:10:27,839 outreach trainers tend to have trouble filling seats. 230 00:10:29,029 --> 00:10:31,119 And so then I was asked to be the outreach 231 00:10:31,199 --> 00:10:32,269 trainer, co trainer. 232 00:10:33,249 --> 00:10:35,799 And then from that evolved Gateway in a 233 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:37,139 few years after that. 234 00:10:37,794 --> 00:10:39,784 Rod Bland: Okay, so you really took to it like 235 00:10:39,784 --> 00:10:41,244 a, like a fish to water. 236 00:10:42,239 --> 00:10:43,839 Allyn Evans: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because 237 00:10:43,859 --> 00:10:45,629 over the years, I have 238 00:10:45,729 --> 00:10:48,749 and sometimes I've chided myself about this, about being 239 00:10:48,899 --> 00:10:52,319 so narrowly focused on Monroe. 240 00:10:53,824 --> 00:10:57,284 Monroe Sound Sciences, our evolution of that, um, 241 00:10:57,454 --> 00:11:01,284 that I maybe I was missing other teachings that would 242 00:11:01,284 --> 00:11:04,514 have been very helpful to either to me or to others. 243 00:11:04,514 --> 00:11:07,794 I teach, but I realize now sitting here. 244 00:11:07,794 --> 00:11:10,784 That was probably all by design because that's where 245 00:11:10,784 --> 00:11:11,934 I needed to be focused. 246 00:11:11,954 --> 00:11:14,934 So that could be a just very clear channel. 247 00:11:15,644 --> 00:11:19,294 of this process, this work, the sound technology. 248 00:11:20,824 --> 00:11:22,854 Rod Bland: How's your view of consciousness and 249 00:11:22,854 --> 00:11:23,744 consciousness studies? 250 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:26,384 How's that evolved since you've been involved with 251 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:27,544 the Monroe Institute? 252 00:11:29,144 --> 00:11:30,914 Allyn Evans: That's an interesting question. 253 00:11:31,444 --> 00:11:33,834 I mean, as far as research, we're getting 254 00:11:33,834 --> 00:11:35,364 more and more active. 255 00:11:35,394 --> 00:11:38,964 We just recently hired, as of January this year, hired 256 00:11:38,964 --> 00:11:41,584 a full time researcher, co director of research. 257 00:11:42,064 --> 00:11:45,264 And before that, we were usually having, well, I'd 258 00:11:45,274 --> 00:11:47,709 say for five years before that, we had one researcher, 259 00:11:47,709 --> 00:11:50,967 also co director of research, who would only be able to 260 00:11:50,967 --> 00:11:52,744 give us one day a week. 261 00:11:53,514 --> 00:11:56,574 So, it's exciting now to really be able to focus on 262 00:11:56,574 --> 00:11:59,044 this and to look and see what's happening in the 263 00:11:59,044 --> 00:12:02,284 brain when we're doing these meditations, when we're 264 00:12:02,284 --> 00:12:03,684 using the sound technology. 265 00:12:03,964 --> 00:12:05,794 We've got a program called Discovery. 266 00:12:05,834 --> 00:12:07,794 We've got a few others that we now use the 267 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,774 MindMirror EEG system. 268 00:12:09,844 --> 00:12:10,594 Are you familiar with 269 00:12:10,794 --> 00:12:11,854 Rod Bland: I have not heard about that. 270 00:12:11,854 --> 00:12:12,834 So tell us about that too. 271 00:12:13,804 --> 00:12:15,824 Allyn Evans: So, that was created by Max Cade. 272 00:12:16,344 --> 00:12:19,094 And it's a way to, it's a, the, I think it's a four 273 00:12:19,094 --> 00:12:21,764 channel, but it's a way to measure the pat, like what's 274 00:12:21,764 --> 00:12:22,594 going on in the brain. 275 00:12:22,744 --> 00:12:25,984 He was also innovative like Bob Monroe, started around 276 00:12:25,984 --> 00:12:29,484 that same time, and he was like, okay, something is 277 00:12:29,484 --> 00:12:33,344 happening in a healer's mind, a psychic's mind, a medium's 278 00:12:33,344 --> 00:12:37,494 mind, that's different, that's happening to just every, 279 00:12:37,514 --> 00:12:38,734 you know, everyday folks. 280 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:41,114 So he wanted to map that out. 281 00:12:41,634 --> 00:12:43,254 And so he invited these people, these 282 00:12:43,254 --> 00:12:45,314 individuals to his place. 283 00:12:45,994 --> 00:12:49,824 And he used his Mind Mirror EEG system, and he discovered 284 00:12:49,824 --> 00:12:52,534 that there were certain patterns, brainwave patterns, 285 00:12:52,974 --> 00:12:56,524 that these particular individuals tended to have 286 00:12:56,544 --> 00:12:57,744 or to be able to reach. 287 00:12:58,624 --> 00:13:02,034 So, what we can do now is use that, those patterns, 288 00:13:02,704 --> 00:13:05,914 when we're in meditations, using sound technology or 289 00:13:05,914 --> 00:13:11,914 without sound technology, and we can see that we're 290 00:13:12,134 --> 00:13:13,104 getting those patterns. 291 00:13:13,769 --> 00:13:16,789 So, uh, mediums pattern, for example, very common 292 00:13:16,789 --> 00:13:19,149 for a medium is called the awakened mind state. 293 00:13:19,869 --> 00:13:21,659 And so when I'm saying patterns, that means there's 294 00:13:21,659 --> 00:13:23,669 a certain amount of theta, there's a certain amount 295 00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:26,349 of delta, certain amount of beta, which is where you're 296 00:13:26,469 --> 00:13:27,739 more conscious and alert. 297 00:13:28,529 --> 00:13:33,299 And they stay in a specific shape, and that's when 298 00:13:33,299 --> 00:13:37,859 they can tap into source guidance information. 299 00:13:38,749 --> 00:13:42,049 So, his theory was, the more people that can learn 300 00:13:42,049 --> 00:13:44,139 how to do this, that he could train to do this. 301 00:13:45,134 --> 00:13:47,324 Then the happier, more successful, more 302 00:13:47,324 --> 00:13:50,364 prosperous, more peaceful individuals would be. 303 00:13:51,534 --> 00:13:54,284 So now we have one of the individuals who's taking on 304 00:13:54,294 --> 00:13:57,864 the MindMirror work, Judith Pennington, who trains courses 305 00:13:57,864 --> 00:14:01,644 here with us, and we use the MindMirror, and she's just 306 00:14:01,654 --> 00:14:05,124 blown away by what happens here with the brainwave 307 00:14:05,134 --> 00:14:08,534 patterns and what we're able to reach and demonstrate. 308 00:14:09,494 --> 00:14:13,394 Interestingly enough, they discovered that when people 309 00:14:13,404 --> 00:14:16,774 have out of body experiences, the brainwaves collapse. 310 00:14:17,904 --> 00:14:19,734 So it's literally like they're gone. 311 00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:20,734 Rod Bland: Wow. 312 00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:24,134 Allyn Evans: And so that's been a fun thing to see. 313 00:14:24,644 --> 00:14:26,074 Rod Bland: So that's a revelation that's only 314 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:27,304 come about just recently. 315 00:14:27,334 --> 00:14:29,524 This, the collapsing of the brainwaves. 316 00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:31,574 Allyn Evans: That's my understanding that it's 317 00:14:31,584 --> 00:14:35,884 something she realized here as she was gathering this data. 318 00:14:36,049 --> 00:14:37,839 Rod Bland: I think it was in Daryl Anka's book, who 319 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:42,639 channels Bashar and I'm, I'm sure in his book, they 320 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:45,369 mentioned how he was, they hooked him up to a machine 321 00:14:45,369 --> 00:14:50,879 and, and it was very consistent, like the the, the 322 00:14:51,129 --> 00:14:54,069 pattern that his brain went into a very sort of almost 323 00:14:54,119 --> 00:14:57,089 like a deep sleep pattern, but he was, he was, he's conscious 324 00:14:57,439 --> 00:15:00,879 whenever he would sort of go into the channeling because 325 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:04,509 he's like a more of a sort of a semi conscious channel. 326 00:15:05,249 --> 00:15:07,039 Allyn Evans: That's the interesting part, because 327 00:15:07,439 --> 00:15:11,329 when you're doing this and you have a big band of theta, you 328 00:15:11,329 --> 00:15:13,749 know, you're really in that theta state, a lot of people 329 00:15:13,749 --> 00:15:14,669 can't, aren't conscious. 330 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:17,189 They, they haven't had training to be consciously 331 00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:18,319 aware of what's happening. 332 00:15:18,619 --> 00:15:21,199 And that's when we're in those, uh, like those states 333 00:15:21,239 --> 00:15:22,919 between sleep and awake. 334 00:15:23,594 --> 00:15:25,814 Uh, when we're, when we're having access to that 335 00:15:25,814 --> 00:15:29,194 subconscious information, and so it's very, it's a 336 00:15:29,244 --> 00:15:31,934 good way, you know, it's good to learn that because 337 00:15:31,934 --> 00:15:34,774 you can access more of your total self, in my opinion, 338 00:15:35,074 --> 00:15:36,414 if you're able to do that. 339 00:15:36,924 --> 00:15:39,944 And interestingly enough, I did the sound technology for 340 00:15:39,944 --> 00:15:42,654 10 years before I actually had my own mind mirror session. 341 00:15:43,434 --> 00:15:46,554 and, and it, it was a little nerve wracking for 342 00:15:46,554 --> 00:15:49,964 me because it was in a conference room straight. 343 00:15:49,964 --> 00:15:51,524 I was sitting a straight back chair. 344 00:15:51,554 --> 00:15:55,244 My back was sore, and they were asking me 345 00:15:55,244 --> 00:15:56,354 to do this on demand. 346 00:15:57,524 --> 00:16:00,124 And a board member was there doing it with me, 347 00:16:00,254 --> 00:16:01,344 and I was a trainer. 348 00:16:01,354 --> 00:16:02,924 I was like, oh, what if I blow this? 349 00:16:02,964 --> 00:16:04,434 You know, I didn't really know what I was doing, but 350 00:16:04,434 --> 00:16:06,784 I was like, oh my, oh, this could be just terrible. 351 00:16:07,214 --> 00:16:08,154 I did it anyway. 352 00:16:08,744 --> 00:16:11,594 So within the first, it was a 20 minute session. 353 00:16:11,664 --> 00:16:14,384 She verbally guided it so she could later ask 354 00:16:14,384 --> 00:16:17,684 what was happening during the specific parts. 355 00:16:18,204 --> 00:16:21,454 As we looked at the pattern, you know, unfolding. 356 00:16:22,634 --> 00:16:26,294 So she said that she reported that I was able 357 00:16:26,294 --> 00:16:29,284 to go to a theta state, a really heavy band of theta 358 00:16:29,604 --> 00:16:33,064 within less than 30 seconds without sound technology. 359 00:16:34,174 --> 00:16:37,424 So that told me, wow, okay, this stuff is doing something. 360 00:16:37,684 --> 00:16:41,304 You know, it's helped me do this very easily. 361 00:16:41,719 --> 00:16:44,929 And then I maintain the Awaken Mind state, which is 362 00:16:44,929 --> 00:16:48,259 the one the mediums and the healers tend to first go to. 363 00:16:48,769 --> 00:16:52,589 And I stayed in that for 97 percent of a 20 minute 364 00:16:52,589 --> 00:16:54,479 session when I was in pain. 365 00:16:54,779 --> 00:16:56,749 And there were people walking around in bright 366 00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:58,579 lights and I was sitting in a straight back chair. 367 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,669 Then the Evolved Brain is the one where you are starting 368 00:17:03,669 --> 00:17:06,099 to possibly be channeling. 369 00:17:06,554 --> 00:17:09,454 Or, you know, making some kind of stronger connection 370 00:17:09,874 --> 00:17:12,884 to more than what's right around you, your total self. 371 00:17:13,654 --> 00:17:15,154 I hit that 30 percent of the time. 372 00:17:16,534 --> 00:17:19,854 Again, I, I believe it's because of the training that I 373 00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:23,454 have done previously and the, the, you know, using the sound 374 00:17:23,454 --> 00:17:24,974 technology on a regular basis. 375 00:17:25,654 --> 00:17:27,554 But the interesting thing was, and this is what 376 00:17:27,734 --> 00:17:28,864 kind of blew my mind. 377 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:31,614 When we're, when we were talking, like after it was 378 00:17:31,614 --> 00:17:35,074 over, the board member went first, then it was my turn. 379 00:17:35,114 --> 00:17:37,194 So he's just has this amazing experience. 380 00:17:37,704 --> 00:17:39,464 I call them bells and whistles where it's just 381 00:17:39,464 --> 00:17:43,304 like, you know, talking to again, maybe an angel or a 382 00:17:43,304 --> 00:17:47,064 deceased loved one or maybe there's a bunny rabbit that's 383 00:17:47,294 --> 00:17:48,854 talking to you as your guide. 384 00:17:49,369 --> 00:17:51,839 And so he's, you know, telling about this fabulous thing that 385 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:53,229 just happened in 20 minutes. 386 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:56,619 And I'm going, I'm thinking to myself, uh, that's 387 00:17:56,619 --> 00:17:58,519 not what happened here. 388 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:01,969 And I really started sinking down in my chair because I was 389 00:18:01,989 --> 00:18:04,129 like, Oh, this is not good. 390 00:18:04,339 --> 00:18:06,689 It was like my fears had come true. 391 00:18:07,479 --> 00:18:11,279 So she started talking to me about it and she kept asking 392 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,859 me questions and I was going, no, nothing really happened. 393 00:18:13,859 --> 00:18:19,779 No, no, because I didn't have, you know, with anything, not, 394 00:18:19,809 --> 00:18:22,639 you know, not auditory, not visually, you know, nothing. 395 00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:25,609 finally, she said, okay, what was happening right 396 00:18:25,609 --> 00:18:28,639 here when I was talking about opening the door? 397 00:18:29,709 --> 00:18:31,619 And all of a sudden I was like, wait a minute. 398 00:18:31,749 --> 00:18:37,209 That is when I felt like I was in this complete state 399 00:18:37,299 --> 00:18:38,929 of unconditional love. 400 00:18:39,429 --> 00:18:42,669 And I was so supported and I was one with the universe, 401 00:18:42,699 --> 00:18:44,439 you know, just kind of having that kind of moment. 402 00:18:44,699 --> 00:18:47,209 And she goes, okay, that that's evolved. 403 00:18:47,889 --> 00:18:49,409 That's the Evolved Mind state. 404 00:18:49,449 --> 00:18:51,939 And that's when you opened up to that 405 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:53,289 channeling possibility. 406 00:18:54,449 --> 00:18:56,769 Well, I was, you know, I just, I was going to 407 00:18:56,769 --> 00:18:57,699 discard the whole thing. 408 00:18:58,234 --> 00:19:00,754 So what, why it changed the way I look at this is 409 00:19:00,754 --> 00:19:04,084 because I realized, yes, the bells and whistles are fun. 410 00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:07,214 It's nice to have these experiences, but that's 411 00:19:07,214 --> 00:19:08,434 not really why we're here. 412 00:19:08,454 --> 00:19:09,664 That's not what we're doing. 413 00:19:10,414 --> 00:19:12,284 We're wanting to reach that space. 414 00:19:12,364 --> 00:19:16,284 That's very dark, very quiet, very still, and 415 00:19:16,304 --> 00:19:17,594 just filling us with. 416 00:19:17,929 --> 00:19:19,009 Love and support. 417 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:22,914 Rod Bland: So was that one of the sort of more defining 418 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:26,434 moments that you've had or have you had any other um, 419 00:19:27,014 --> 00:19:30,044 moments or experiences that have really changed your 420 00:19:30,074 --> 00:19:32,664 perspective or what you think about consciousness? 421 00:19:33,429 --> 00:19:36,329 Allyn Evans: That certainly did, uh, change my perspective 422 00:19:36,329 --> 00:19:39,019 again, because I just thought it was more about what I 423 00:19:39,019 --> 00:19:43,929 was receiving in a, in a two way communication system. 424 00:19:44,709 --> 00:19:46,409 So, yes, that, that certainly did. 425 00:19:46,409 --> 00:19:50,859 And then, um, I've had other experiences that, 426 00:19:51,179 --> 00:19:53,199 it's interesting, it's more like breadcrumbs. 427 00:19:54,629 --> 00:19:57,309 And when you, that's why we always say please journal, 428 00:19:57,449 --> 00:20:01,529 journal everything, because when you look back you see 429 00:20:01,549 --> 00:20:04,629 that you're, you're given little hints and breadcrumbs 430 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,039 to help you follow the path, the path that's yours 431 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:11,339 to follow, even though you might be afraid, even 432 00:20:11,339 --> 00:20:14,059 though you might have, you know, fears about, 433 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:16,989 um, your ability to do it. 434 00:20:17,509 --> 00:20:19,719 Whether you think, think you have the resources, 435 00:20:19,749 --> 00:20:22,159 whether you think that you have the skills, whatever 436 00:20:22,159 --> 00:20:26,259 it is, um, but you can see that you're, it's a, it's 437 00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:29,229 an unfolding of a jigsaw puzzle, and sometimes it 438 00:20:29,229 --> 00:20:31,189 takes years before you see it. 439 00:20:31,209 --> 00:20:35,059 And so me sitting in this position, I definitely had 440 00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:40,079 a lot of those moments where I was like, okay, now, why 441 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:42,279 did I have that meditation and that experience? 442 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,919 when there's no way that I would end up in this 443 00:20:46,929 --> 00:20:50,649 position or, um, disinvolved. 444 00:20:51,649 --> 00:20:54,219 I remember reading my journals after the first 445 00:20:54,219 --> 00:20:56,559 year of me starting this process, coming to Monroe. 446 00:20:57,579 --> 00:20:59,479 I had not, I had totally forgotten. 447 00:21:00,134 --> 00:21:02,434 That I had been receiving information because I'm 448 00:21:02,444 --> 00:21:06,094 auditory, so I hear things, um, that I've been receiving 449 00:21:06,094 --> 00:21:09,264 information that the Monroe Institute needed me. 450 00:21:10,864 --> 00:21:12,544 And I was embarrassed to write, I would say, 451 00:21:12,544 --> 00:21:14,104 okay, this is crazy. 452 00:21:14,134 --> 00:21:16,524 I'm going to write it down anyway, but I keep 453 00:21:16,554 --> 00:21:17,644 getting this message. 454 00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:20,544 And I'd forgotten it. 455 00:21:20,774 --> 00:21:23,744 Well, a year later, I'm reading my journal, and 456 00:21:23,844 --> 00:21:26,424 I am now leading the local chapter network. 457 00:21:26,784 --> 00:21:29,084 Which was now the Monroe Community Groups. 458 00:21:29,594 --> 00:21:32,834 I'm the chair of launching the entire project worldwide. 459 00:21:34,804 --> 00:21:36,764 When I was getting the messages, I was a stay 460 00:21:36,764 --> 00:21:39,524 at home mom with some random contracts, feeling 461 00:21:39,524 --> 00:21:42,194 very underutilized and wanting to be of service. 462 00:21:42,939 --> 00:21:47,889 So that, that was a, that's when I realized, or I 463 00:21:47,889 --> 00:21:50,329 guess a way for me to look back and go, you know, we 464 00:21:50,329 --> 00:21:55,219 really are supported, we really are guided, and we 465 00:21:55,219 --> 00:21:56,219 just have to pay attention. 466 00:21:56,664 --> 00:21:57,024 Rod Bland: Hmm. 467 00:21:57,254 --> 00:21:58,264 But pay attention. 468 00:21:58,264 --> 00:21:58,464 Yeah. 469 00:21:58,464 --> 00:22:00,194 Sometimes the messages are subtle, aren't they? 470 00:22:01,249 --> 00:22:04,069 Allyn Evans: Ah, yes, that's why you write them down too, 471 00:22:04,069 --> 00:22:08,469 because sometimes it makes zero sense, because maybe it 472 00:22:08,469 --> 00:22:09,989 is just a symbol of a rose, 473 00:22:10,029 --> 00:22:13,079 it sometimes is like a big jigsaw puzzle with all 474 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:14,159 these tiny little pieces. 475 00:22:14,739 --> 00:22:16,619 that you're putting together over time. 476 00:22:16,619 --> 00:22:17,889 And again, it could be 10 years. 477 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:18,819 It could be 20 years. 478 00:22:19,754 --> 00:22:20,684 It could be one year. 479 00:22:21,714 --> 00:22:23,884 Rod Bland: Did you ever get to meet Bob Monroe 480 00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:24,844 before he passed on? 481 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:25,184 Oh 482 00:22:25,804 --> 00:22:28,644 Allyn Evans: Now, he taught in 1995 and 483 00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:29,874 Rod Bland: was a fair while after. 484 00:22:29,954 --> 00:22:32,974 Allyn Evans: yeah, I was 2009 when I showed up. 485 00:22:33,054 --> 00:22:33,374 Rod Bland: Yeah. 486 00:22:34,114 --> 00:22:36,754 Um, there was someone else whose books I really 487 00:22:36,754 --> 00:22:38,434 enjoyed was Bruce Moen. 488 00:22:39,144 --> 00:22:43,604 I think he was an attend, I know he was still an attendee 489 00:22:43,634 --> 00:22:47,114 there after Bob passed on, and then after his wife, 490 00:22:47,124 --> 00:22:48,724 was his wife Nancy, I think? 491 00:22:50,334 --> 00:22:54,164 Was he someone that was around during your time or? 492 00:22:55,264 --> 00:22:55,674 Allyn Evans: no. 493 00:22:55,694 --> 00:22:56,054 Rod Bland: Yep. 494 00:22:56,324 --> 00:22:56,714 Yeah. 495 00:22:56,784 --> 00:22:56,984 Yeah. 496 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,554 There's, there's, there's like, they're all, they're 497 00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:00,414 all veterans, aren't they? 498 00:23:00,414 --> 00:23:02,864 It's such a old, I guess Bob's books are like 499 00:23:02,864 --> 00:23:03,854 written in the 80s. 500 00:23:03,884 --> 00:23:06,204 Uh, that's, yeah, we're going back a fair way. 501 00:23:07,034 --> 00:23:10,364 Um, and then the other one, the more, I think 502 00:23:10,364 --> 00:23:12,544 it was actually, it was Tom Campbell's books. 503 00:23:12,564 --> 00:23:16,514 Um, that's, uh, that's, I think that's how many 504 00:23:16,514 --> 00:23:18,144 of us found out about the Monroe Institute. 505 00:23:19,314 --> 00:23:20,284 Allyn Evans: And I do know Tom. 506 00:23:20,284 --> 00:23:21,284 He's a wonderful man. 507 00:23:21,574 --> 00:23:23,504 Rod Bland: Yeah, he's very, very generous with his time. 508 00:23:23,504 --> 00:23:26,144 He's, I think he's probably one of the most widely, if not 509 00:23:26,154 --> 00:23:29,504 the most widely interviewed person who I know of that's 510 00:23:29,504 --> 00:23:30,564 been at the Monroe Institute. 511 00:23:31,084 --> 00:23:32,274 He's very, very generous. 512 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:36,044 So the, the focus, uh, the, when I first heard about focus 513 00:23:36,074 --> 00:23:39,434 levels was actually in Bruce Mowen's books, which, uh, was 514 00:23:39,434 --> 00:23:41,114 at voyages into the afterlife. 515 00:23:41,604 --> 00:23:45,154 And so could you tell us a little bit about, uh, 516 00:23:45,164 --> 00:23:48,214 what the focus levels are and, you know, how that 517 00:23:48,214 --> 00:23:49,314 fits into the programs? 518 00:23:50,594 --> 00:23:52,914 Allyn Evans: So this is, it's really the system 519 00:23:52,914 --> 00:23:54,344 that Bob Monroe created. 520 00:23:54,444 --> 00:23:56,534 And he, it was like a map of consciousness. 521 00:23:56,934 --> 00:23:59,064 So what he discovered is when we were putting together 522 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:02,759 different frequencies, People tended to have similar 523 00:24:02,769 --> 00:24:07,049 experiences, and not, not similar outcomes, but the 524 00:24:07,049 --> 00:24:10,819 first one, focus 10, and I say first, they're not, 525 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:14,459 there's no order, and Bob, Bob Monroe tried to help 526 00:24:14,459 --> 00:24:17,569 it not be hierarchical, hierarchical because of the, 527 00:24:17,719 --> 00:24:20,839 um, because he didn't want it Look that way, but when you 528 00:24:20,849 --> 00:24:23,879 have, you know, 10, 12, 15, that's what it sounds like. 529 00:24:24,059 --> 00:24:25,299 You know, it sounds like one, the higher 530 00:24:25,299 --> 00:24:26,319 level must be better. 531 00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:27,519 That's not the case. 532 00:24:28,059 --> 00:24:32,239 But focus 10 is body asleep, mind awake. 533 00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:35,589 It's one of, to me, it's one of the most exciting 534 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:39,269 focus levels because that's where you really learn that. 535 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,439 When I was talking about reaching those theta states 536 00:24:42,589 --> 00:24:45,159 and having a lot of delta going on, but you have 537 00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:46,709 beta too, you are alert. 538 00:24:47,009 --> 00:24:48,849 You can remember the experiences. 539 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:51,969 So it's a really great training focus level and 540 00:24:51,989 --> 00:24:55,029 you literally will feel like your body's asleep. 541 00:24:55,579 --> 00:24:59,989 And you, I remember when I was doing it at home before I 542 00:24:59,989 --> 00:25:03,769 came here, I would have these moments when I was doing Focus 543 00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:07,139 10 and I would hear somebody breathing very heavily. 544 00:25:07,739 --> 00:25:09,029 And I was like, you know, and I would just 545 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:10,339 be going in my head. 546 00:25:10,339 --> 00:25:12,839 It would kind of scare me like, who, who, what is that? 547 00:25:12,849 --> 00:25:14,109 Where, where am I hearing that? 548 00:25:14,459 --> 00:25:15,389 Well, it would be me. 549 00:25:17,369 --> 00:25:18,469 My body was asleep. 550 00:25:19,569 --> 00:25:21,229 So, I mean, you literally in those, when you get 551 00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:24,319 into those very heavy focus level, focus 10 level 552 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:28,419 states, you can be snoring and go, okay, who's snoring? 553 00:25:29,829 --> 00:25:30,529 It's me. 554 00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:33,129 Um, so it's an interesting phenomena. 555 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,519 Focus 12 is another level. 556 00:25:35,769 --> 00:25:37,819 And that's the way I look at that is it's, it's 557 00:25:37,819 --> 00:25:38,949 an expansion of self. 558 00:25:38,949 --> 00:25:41,889 It's where we're looking at total self of access. 559 00:25:41,999 --> 00:25:43,849 So some people might say higher self. 560 00:25:44,344 --> 00:25:47,114 And that's where a lot of nonverbal communication can 561 00:25:47,114 --> 00:25:51,114 come in, uh, from, it's, you can think of it like a 562 00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:54,894 dream state, a meditative state that's, uh, where 563 00:25:54,894 --> 00:25:58,164 you're able to access those different parts of yourself, 564 00:25:58,424 --> 00:26:01,564 maybe an inner child, maybe it's a, uh, pieces of your 565 00:26:01,564 --> 00:26:03,904 soul that you're trying to bring back to you. 566 00:26:04,634 --> 00:26:07,514 And then focus 15 is no time. 567 00:26:07,514 --> 00:26:08,584 It's called the void. 568 00:26:08,969 --> 00:26:12,989 And it's where we can really play around with, uh, past, 569 00:26:12,999 --> 00:26:15,489 future, uh, present moment. 570 00:26:15,579 --> 00:26:18,519 And it's a, it's a state really of initiation. 571 00:26:18,609 --> 00:26:21,949 It usually means you want to be initiating something 572 00:26:22,989 --> 00:26:24,689 so that something occurs. 573 00:26:25,169 --> 00:26:28,779 Otherwise it can tend to just be this silent void that 574 00:26:28,779 --> 00:26:29,939 you're in, which is nice too. 575 00:26:31,109 --> 00:26:35,259 then Focus 21, the way I look at Focus 21 is that 576 00:26:35,259 --> 00:26:38,709 we're going beyond and that's where we're, we're really 577 00:26:38,719 --> 00:26:40,279 stepping into that space. 578 00:26:40,879 --> 00:26:43,609 that we can reach out to deceased loved ones, 579 00:26:44,099 --> 00:26:45,789 guidance, things like that. 580 00:26:45,869 --> 00:26:48,499 And then focus 27, we call the park. 581 00:26:49,309 --> 00:26:51,269 And that's just, it's, it's interesting. 582 00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:54,099 This has this amazing energy now, because so many of 583 00:26:54,099 --> 00:26:57,399 us have gone there in our meditations and it seems to 584 00:26:57,399 --> 00:26:58,949 almost have a structure to it. 585 00:26:58,949 --> 00:27:01,169 Like you'll go there and see the healing center. 586 00:27:01,169 --> 00:27:03,539 You can go there and see the, um, the book, 587 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:04,419 the hall of records. 588 00:27:04,449 --> 00:27:04,789 You can. 589 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:09,704 Go there and, um, even we have a class called X27, 590 00:27:09,714 --> 00:27:13,074 where you go build your place there that you can, when 591 00:27:13,074 --> 00:27:16,154 you go meditate, you can go hang out in that space. 592 00:27:16,854 --> 00:27:19,264 So it's a, it's one of my favorites just because of 593 00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:23,664 how broad and, um, and, and we, so many of us have 594 00:27:23,664 --> 00:27:25,144 shared experiences there. 595 00:27:25,884 --> 00:27:28,234 So that's just a few of them, the basic ones. 596 00:27:29,544 --> 00:27:31,874 Rod Bland: So, your everyday work and the people you're 597 00:27:31,874 --> 00:27:35,164 involved with, uh, and I guess kind of what I do as well, 598 00:27:35,174 --> 00:27:39,364 you, you get used to the idea that we're working and talking 599 00:27:39,364 --> 00:27:41,624 about things that a lot of people are very skeptical of. 600 00:27:42,224 --> 00:27:44,254 And so what, what do you generally say to people 601 00:27:44,274 --> 00:27:47,124 who doubt the legitimacy of phenomena like OBEs 602 00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:49,714 or psychic abilities? 603 00:27:50,764 --> 00:27:53,294 Allyn Evans: You know, so one of the things we pride 604 00:27:53,294 --> 00:27:55,904 ourselves in is that we want you to have the experience. 605 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:58,459 We don't, you know, so I'm sitting here telling you about 606 00:27:58,459 --> 00:28:01,779 some of my experiences, but what I really want to happen 607 00:28:01,779 --> 00:28:05,849 is for you to come here, you to get on our app, you 608 00:28:05,849 --> 00:28:08,289 to come to a program, not to give me money, but for 609 00:28:08,289 --> 00:28:09,839 you to have the experience. 610 00:28:10,534 --> 00:28:14,274 And the sound technology is a key driver for that. 611 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,524 I mean, we had a Buddhist sceptic in the 1990s 612 00:28:16,564 --> 00:28:17,584 that came from Canada. 613 00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:23,034 He was the head of an order and he spent one week with us. 614 00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:25,334 And at the end, he was like, you Americans, 615 00:28:25,554 --> 00:28:27,834 y'all figure out the shortcuts to everything. 616 00:28:28,464 --> 00:28:33,654 And he realized that this was a fast track compared 617 00:28:33,654 --> 00:28:36,084 to years and years and years and years of sitting. 618 00:28:37,114 --> 00:28:37,734 And it is. 619 00:28:37,744 --> 00:28:40,274 I mean, you can be in those states and hold those 620 00:28:40,324 --> 00:28:43,884 states for extended periods, periods of time without 621 00:28:43,894 --> 00:28:46,904 discipline, you know, except the discipline of the 30 622 00:28:46,904 --> 00:28:49,804 minutes, 45 minutes that you listen to the meditation. 623 00:28:50,344 --> 00:28:52,084 Rod Bland: I've always been fascinated by the 624 00:28:52,094 --> 00:28:53,144 out of body experience. 625 00:28:53,144 --> 00:28:55,864 That's kind of my go to thing and I've been 626 00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,054 successful one time. 627 00:28:57,194 --> 00:28:59,704 So I'm, I'm interested in being more successful 628 00:28:59,704 --> 00:29:01,204 than just, than just once. 629 00:29:01,214 --> 00:29:04,984 So, you know, what would you say to someone in my position 630 00:29:04,984 --> 00:29:06,984 as far as, okay, well, I'm thinking about doing something 631 00:29:06,984 --> 00:29:07,904 with Monroe institute. 632 00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:08,524 What should I do? 633 00:29:09,979 --> 00:29:12,169 Allyn Evans: Uh, well, so we do have OBE spectrum, 634 00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:14,999 which I have trained, and that gives you a lot of 635 00:29:14,999 --> 00:29:18,569 different ways to experience or view an out of body. 636 00:29:19,059 --> 00:29:21,439 Most people, now when you had yours, was it a, would 637 00:29:21,449 --> 00:29:24,719 you call it a traditional type experience, a classic 638 00:29:24,749 --> 00:29:28,179 experience where you're, you know that you're out, you 639 00:29:28,179 --> 00:29:31,099 know, then you can look down at your body where you've 640 00:29:31,099 --> 00:29:34,399 left it, maybe a silver cord, maybe a vibration 641 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:35,389 before all that happens. 642 00:29:35,844 --> 00:29:38,034 Rod Bland: It wasn't quite that because my. 643 00:29:38,154 --> 00:29:42,914 My intentions, I'd, I'd, uh, I followed, uh, Michael 644 00:29:42,914 --> 00:29:45,084 Roduga's methodology. 645 00:29:45,264 --> 00:29:48,054 So it was, I was, I'd just woken up and I just managed to 646 00:29:48,054 --> 00:29:49,814 catch myself as I'd woken up. 647 00:29:50,174 --> 00:29:51,704 And I was thinking about standing in front of 648 00:29:51,724 --> 00:29:54,004 the bathroom mirror and then I was in front of 649 00:29:54,004 --> 00:29:54,734 the bathroom mirror. 650 00:29:54,734 --> 00:29:57,644 So that's, and so it was away from my body, like 651 00:29:57,644 --> 00:29:59,444 in a different floor of the house at that point. 652 00:29:59,444 --> 00:30:01,764 So I didn't get to see that, but that, that 653 00:30:01,764 --> 00:30:02,604 was the only difference. 654 00:30:02,604 --> 00:30:05,154 I would say the rest of it was fairly similar to what 655 00:30:05,154 --> 00:30:06,124 other people have described. 656 00:30:06,124 --> 00:30:07,474 Yep. 657 00:30:07,929 --> 00:30:10,529 Allyn Evans: and so that the, what we find is people 658 00:30:10,539 --> 00:30:13,069 really want the classic traditional experience, 659 00:30:13,099 --> 00:30:14,489 just what I was explaining. 660 00:30:15,699 --> 00:30:18,079 What we teach at the OB Spectrum Program is that 661 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,659 there's so many different ways for this to happen. 662 00:30:21,189 --> 00:30:25,249 And it's really more about the outcome, not how you get 663 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,219 there, but we certainly have, you know, meditations and 664 00:30:29,219 --> 00:30:32,839 exercises and information that we teach in that program that 665 00:30:32,849 --> 00:30:36,329 helps people have experiences. 666 00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:37,849 And it's not always a guarantee. 667 00:30:37,849 --> 00:30:38,739 You know, it's not a guarantee. 668 00:30:38,739 --> 00:30:41,519 We can't guarantee that, but we are leaving you 669 00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:42,659 with tools to work with. 670 00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:44,419 And everybody can do it. 671 00:30:44,449 --> 00:30:48,129 It's really just a matter of staying alert and aware. 672 00:30:48,129 --> 00:30:51,329 And that's why the Focus 10 training is so powerful. 673 00:30:52,419 --> 00:30:55,319 Because you're training yourself to remain alert 674 00:30:56,184 --> 00:30:58,714 Rod Bland: The falling asleep, I can't, I can't 675 00:30:58,714 --> 00:31:00,984 really prevent that, doesn't matter how much I try, but 676 00:31:01,324 --> 00:31:03,724 once you've had some sleep and then catching it when 677 00:31:03,724 --> 00:31:06,384 I wake up seems to be, you know, that seems to 678 00:31:06,384 --> 00:31:07,834 be the ideal opportunity, I think it's different 679 00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:08,524 for different people. 680 00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:10,769 Allyn Evans: Yeah, that's actually the ideal 681 00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:11,869 opportunity for me too. 682 00:31:11,869 --> 00:31:16,479 But I also found afternoons, um, and I would run two 45 683 00:31:16,629 --> 00:31:18,299 minute exercises together. 684 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,559 And I found sometimes that could be helpful too. 685 00:31:22,059 --> 00:31:25,939 But morning and that, that space between waking up and, 686 00:31:25,999 --> 00:31:30,019 um, and then getting out of bed, if you can, if you can 687 00:31:30,029 --> 00:31:34,949 build in time to hang out there and just right after 688 00:31:34,949 --> 00:31:37,769 you've woken up, then you're, you're more likely to be 689 00:31:37,769 --> 00:31:40,979 in that state and be able to return to, uh, something 690 00:31:40,979 --> 00:31:45,369 similar that's got you in a lot of theta, delta, and 691 00:31:45,369 --> 00:31:46,589 then of course the beta, 692 00:31:46,754 --> 00:31:49,404 Rod Bland: It's amazing to me that it's so, uh, related 693 00:31:49,414 --> 00:31:53,824 to a particular state of your brain, which is a very, 694 00:31:54,664 --> 00:31:57,604 seems, it's a very sort of scientific approach to me. 695 00:31:57,884 --> 00:31:59,574 That was what I was encouraged by is like, 696 00:31:59,574 --> 00:32:02,744 okay, well, if I wasn't born with psychic abilities, 697 00:32:02,744 --> 00:32:05,104 like you, the person who was three years old, then 698 00:32:05,754 --> 00:32:06,874 what hope do we have? 699 00:32:06,884 --> 00:32:10,314 But you know, there is a way to, to tap into that 700 00:32:10,314 --> 00:32:12,954 just by applying a little bit of science it seems. 701 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:14,449 Allyn Evans: right? 702 00:32:14,524 --> 00:32:16,294 It works? 703 00:32:16,914 --> 00:32:18,924 Rod Bland: So, I have a question that I ask a 704 00:32:18,924 --> 00:32:21,774 lot of my guests is about what advice would you have 705 00:32:21,784 --> 00:32:24,174 for 25 year old Allyn? 706 00:32:25,354 --> 00:32:26,014 Allyn Evans: Hmm. 707 00:32:27,204 --> 00:32:29,644 You know, I was already very curious when I was 708 00:32:29,674 --> 00:32:32,784 25 and that's, uh, I actually probably started 709 00:32:32,794 --> 00:32:36,534 reading those, those books when I was 27, 28. 710 00:32:37,214 --> 00:32:39,824 but what would I tell, you know, really, so I'm going to 711 00:32:39,844 --> 00:32:45,434 be very, um, vulnerable here, but I was so self critical, 712 00:32:45,494 --> 00:32:47,214 so had so many self doubts. 713 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,269 And so I think that's where I got in my way. 714 00:32:52,309 --> 00:32:54,649 Just even when I wanted to be an outreach trainer, after 715 00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:57,549 being here for Gateway, and then you take another program, 716 00:32:58,329 --> 00:33:01,729 I almost didn't ask about it. 717 00:33:01,989 --> 00:33:04,669 Because my thought was, why would they want me? 718 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:09,339 And I just made, I made myself do it. 719 00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:12,929 At least, thank God I had a little bit of courage mixed 720 00:33:12,929 --> 00:33:15,459 in there, because I, you know, that's how I think I keep 721 00:33:15,469 --> 00:33:18,139 moving forward, is because I can pull out the courage card. 722 00:33:18,784 --> 00:33:21,484 Uh, or be afraid and do it anyway, um, but that, 723 00:33:21,494 --> 00:33:23,794 that would be, I would say, Hey, get over it. 724 00:33:23,814 --> 00:33:26,604 And the other thing I would say to my 25 year old self 725 00:33:26,864 --> 00:33:30,184 is not everybody's going to like you and that's okay. 726 00:33:33,224 --> 00:33:34,194 Those are the two things. 727 00:33:34,744 --> 00:33:36,134 Rod Bland: I've asked that question to a few people, 728 00:33:36,134 --> 00:33:37,104 that's really powerful. 729 00:33:37,294 --> 00:33:38,454 Not everyone's going to like you. 730 00:33:39,784 --> 00:33:39,984 Allyn Evans: Right. 731 00:33:40,134 --> 00:33:41,784 Rod Bland: Yeah, and that's, and that's okay. 732 00:33:41,824 --> 00:33:43,334 That's, that's really good. 733 00:33:43,454 --> 00:33:45,104 Allyn Evans: and I had a meditation that brought 734 00:33:45,104 --> 00:33:48,214 that home to me and I heard this booming voice. 735 00:33:48,214 --> 00:33:52,914 It was a male voice and it was, I just said, Allyn, not 736 00:33:52,954 --> 00:33:54,694 everybody's going to like you. 737 00:33:55,164 --> 00:33:57,664 And I was like, Oh, Oh. 738 00:33:58,284 --> 00:33:58,924 Okay. 739 00:33:59,064 --> 00:34:01,514 You know, but up until that point, that's not 740 00:34:01,514 --> 00:34:03,304 how I could see it. 741 00:34:04,414 --> 00:34:04,824 Rod Bland: Yeah. 742 00:34:04,884 --> 00:34:05,744 That's really useful for me. 743 00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:07,484 I've got a history as a chronic people pleaser. 744 00:34:07,534 --> 00:34:08,974 So yeah. 745 00:34:09,104 --> 00:34:09,414 Allyn Evans: too. 746 00:34:09,584 --> 00:34:12,024 That's, I wrote a book that has that in the subtitle. 747 00:34:15,104 --> 00:34:18,244 Rod Bland: sO if, if people wanted to, people may 748 00:34:18,244 --> 00:34:19,064 have questions for you. 749 00:34:19,284 --> 00:34:22,274 Um, I'll get you to talk a bit more about the programs that 750 00:34:22,304 --> 00:34:24,494 the Monaro students seek, but if they, if they wanted to 751 00:34:24,494 --> 00:34:26,784 ask you questions personally, is, is that something you'd 752 00:34:26,784 --> 00:34:28,804 be open to and what's the best way for them to do that? 753 00:34:29,714 --> 00:34:32,954 Allyn Evans: So we have info at MonroeInstitute. 754 00:34:32,954 --> 00:34:36,134 org, that would be a good way to send an email, and if it's 755 00:34:36,134 --> 00:34:38,604 specifically for me, just say that they would, you know, 756 00:34:38,634 --> 00:34:41,814 ask to, for me to view it, and they'll pass it on to me. 757 00:34:42,344 --> 00:34:43,014 Rod Bland: Okay, cool. 758 00:34:43,164 --> 00:34:44,534 Allyn Evans: And it might be answered by someone 759 00:34:44,534 --> 00:34:46,254 else, if it's not something that, you know, if they're 760 00:34:46,254 --> 00:34:48,854 just generic questions that somebody on staff 761 00:34:48,854 --> 00:34:49,784 might know the answer to. 762 00:34:49,944 --> 00:34:53,074 Rod Bland: Yep, so can you give us a bit of an overview 763 00:34:53,074 --> 00:34:57,784 of what the Munro Institute does for people who may not 764 00:34:57,784 --> 00:34:58,594 have heard about them before? 765 00:35:01,184 --> 00:35:03,344 Allyn Evans: we offer programs, and we have 766 00:35:03,704 --> 00:35:06,904 about, I can't even tell you the number now. 767 00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:09,869 I think it's about 30 different types of programs, 768 00:35:09,909 --> 00:35:12,729 and they have different focuses, and some of them 769 00:35:12,729 --> 00:35:15,059 are on the focus level system, and some are not. 770 00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:18,069 Some are Monroe Sound Science, which is not including 771 00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:19,209 the focus level system. 772 00:35:19,749 --> 00:35:23,329 Um, but it's, uh, it's a way for an individual, so if they 773 00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:25,929 come to a program, it's a way to have a very structured 774 00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,809 experience with purpose. 775 00:35:28,954 --> 00:35:30,844 For example, Gateway is the flagship where that's 776 00:35:30,844 --> 00:35:34,104 the introduction to the basic, uh, focus levels. 777 00:35:34,644 --> 00:35:37,194 And then we have one lifeline that's about soul 778 00:35:37,194 --> 00:35:41,224 retrieval, soul retrieval of yourself and soul retrieval 779 00:35:41,224 --> 00:35:42,574 of others who've passed on. 780 00:35:43,024 --> 00:35:45,944 We have, um, guidelines, so that'd be more about guidance. 781 00:35:46,729 --> 00:35:50,149 We have X27, which is exploring that, the 782 00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:54,479 park, the Focus 27 level and so on and so on. 783 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,399 And then we have other ones like near death experience, 784 00:35:57,399 --> 00:35:59,759 Heartline, which is focused on the heart energy. 785 00:36:00,799 --> 00:36:05,679 There's, we have anything you would want that could, 786 00:36:06,299 --> 00:36:08,489 you know, move someone forward just depending on 787 00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:11,589 what the purpose is, what they're trying to accomplish. 788 00:36:12,594 --> 00:36:15,844 Rod Bland: And so you have some that, uh, are done 789 00:36:15,864 --> 00:36:18,504 actually at the Institute there in Virginia, and then 790 00:36:18,504 --> 00:36:21,394 you have some online things and apps as well, don't you? 791 00:36:22,439 --> 00:36:22,729 Allyn Evans: Right. 792 00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:25,409 We have about a thousand people who come here a year. 793 00:36:26,464 --> 00:36:29,444 And then we have virtual programs, which some are, um, 794 00:36:29,524 --> 00:36:33,524 a week long, some are like two weekends, so that you can 795 00:36:33,564 --> 00:36:35,704 not have to use, if you're, if you're someone that works 796 00:36:35,724 --> 00:36:38,394 Monday through Friday, uh, you just are having two weekends 797 00:36:38,394 --> 00:36:39,364 to cover the material. 798 00:36:39,574 --> 00:36:41,434 And then we have some shorter virtual programs. 799 00:36:41,434 --> 00:36:43,174 We also have online programs. 800 00:36:43,514 --> 00:36:46,974 So those are, they're guided by a trainer. 801 00:36:47,344 --> 00:36:49,904 There's email, you can email them or chat with them. 802 00:36:49,904 --> 00:36:52,464 And then there's a, usually a video session once a week or 803 00:36:52,464 --> 00:36:54,394 a Zoom session once a week. 804 00:36:54,884 --> 00:36:57,614 So, we have that format, and then we also have it where you 805 00:36:57,614 --> 00:37:00,264 just are getting the material without any guidance, and 806 00:37:00,274 --> 00:37:02,964 those are our lowest price points, and so it's really 807 00:37:02,964 --> 00:37:06,884 easy in an inexpensive way to experience what we do. 808 00:37:07,214 --> 00:37:07,524 Rod Bland: Hmm. 809 00:37:08,104 --> 00:37:10,944 I learned about the Lifeline program from Bruce, uh, 810 00:37:10,974 --> 00:37:14,854 Moen's book, and I think that's absolutely fascinating. 811 00:37:14,854 --> 00:37:17,304 Do you, do you, is there been anybody that's been 812 00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:19,154 through that program or do you know of any experience 813 00:37:19,154 --> 00:37:20,754 that somebody's had that was particularly profound that 814 00:37:20,774 --> 00:37:21,604 you could tell us about? 815 00:37:23,114 --> 00:37:24,984 Allyn Evans: Hmm, you know, it's hard, sometimes 816 00:37:24,984 --> 00:37:26,704 it's hard for me to remember different stories, 817 00:37:26,704 --> 00:37:28,944 but I have one that I just recalled. 818 00:37:29,484 --> 00:37:32,884 Uh, Candy Sanderson, who is the author of 819 00:37:32,914 --> 00:37:34,694 The Reluctant Messenger. 820 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,799 So it might be a book that, I think it's a great book, 821 00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:39,399 so I think your audience would be interested. 822 00:37:39,769 --> 00:37:45,049 But she came, she was coming here for about 10 years, and 823 00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:51,039 she took Lifeline, and she got a download of someone who had 824 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:55,949 passed on, and she received their name, where they lived, 825 00:37:56,289 --> 00:37:58,799 and just more information, and she was able to verify 826 00:37:58,799 --> 00:38:03,874 it, like immediately after the session was over, the That 827 00:38:03,934 --> 00:38:07,924 seemed to open this huge door for her, where then, about, 828 00:38:08,144 --> 00:38:10,184 I think it was a few weeks later, might have been a month 829 00:38:10,184 --> 00:38:13,364 or two later, she started, as she would be driving to work 830 00:38:13,394 --> 00:38:16,864 every morning, she started getting all these downloads. 831 00:38:17,034 --> 00:38:19,834 And she's, she verbally recorded them. 832 00:38:20,214 --> 00:38:21,854 You know, had a tape recorder that she just 833 00:38:21,854 --> 00:38:24,454 recorded everything, then she transcribed everything, and 834 00:38:24,454 --> 00:38:25,544 that's what's in the book. 835 00:38:25,974 --> 00:38:28,874 And it's, so she's in a whole different space now, 836 00:38:29,774 --> 00:38:34,144 with this gift that was, Uh, Gifted at Lifeline. 837 00:38:34,589 --> 00:38:39,019 Rod Bland: Wow, what was her purpose for doing, 838 00:38:39,279 --> 00:38:41,579 obviously she didn't know how it was going to turn out. 839 00:38:41,579 --> 00:38:42,729 What was her purpose for coming there 840 00:38:42,729 --> 00:38:43,469 in the first place? 841 00:38:43,469 --> 00:38:45,679 Was it just because she had a relative that had passed on? 842 00:38:46,764 --> 00:38:50,174 Allyn Evans: no, so I'm not sure why she picked Lifeline. 843 00:38:50,174 --> 00:38:51,834 It might have been that a friend wanted to go, 844 00:38:52,604 --> 00:38:54,744 but she'd already been coming for several years, 845 00:38:54,774 --> 00:38:57,574 and she actually was one of the founding members of the 846 00:38:57,574 --> 00:38:59,194 local chapter network with me. 847 00:38:59,854 --> 00:39:02,314 So we were just both very passionate about the 848 00:39:02,314 --> 00:39:04,624 organization, so she would come like once a year. 849 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:07,499 And that lifeline just happened to be the one she 850 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,609 selected about, I think it was 10 years after she started. 851 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,979 Rod Bland: So what's in the future for yourself 852 00:39:14,979 --> 00:39:16,539 and the Monroe Institute? 853 00:39:17,129 --> 00:39:19,869 How do you see our understanding of 854 00:39:19,869 --> 00:39:22,639 consciousness evolving as humans as time goes by? 855 00:39:23,699 --> 00:39:25,279 Allyn Evans: You know, one of our things that we're 856 00:39:25,279 --> 00:39:27,949 doing right now is a huge, we have this huge aspiration 857 00:39:27,969 --> 00:39:30,409 to reach 1 percent of the world's population, which 858 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:32,999 right now is about 80 million, with a direct experience. 859 00:39:33,609 --> 00:39:35,639 Because we believe the more people that can 860 00:39:35,749 --> 00:39:39,249 get into these states of awareness and maintain them. 861 00:39:39,694 --> 00:39:41,854 Then we really can change the world. 862 00:39:42,374 --> 00:39:43,884 And of course there are other organizations 863 00:39:43,884 --> 00:39:45,014 with similar goals. 864 00:39:45,074 --> 00:39:49,444 So altogether, if we all focus on our 1%, uh, 865 00:39:49,524 --> 00:39:51,684 we'll eventually have a tipping point, I believe. 866 00:39:51,904 --> 00:39:54,894 And I think that's what's driving us now. 867 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,469 Rod Bland: So do you have a final positive message 868 00:39:57,469 --> 00:39:59,279 that you could leave people with before we wrap up 869 00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:00,289 the conversation today? 870 00:40:01,136 --> 00:40:02,066 Allyn Evans: Yes, I do. 871 00:40:02,326 --> 00:40:06,086 This is possible for anyone and everyone, and 872 00:40:06,136 --> 00:40:11,526 we have this amazing sound technology that cuts out all 873 00:40:11,526 --> 00:40:15,166 of the years of discipline and training and can help 874 00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:18,436 you reach these powerful states for yourself, have 875 00:40:18,436 --> 00:40:19,856 these amazing experiences. 876 00:40:21,061 --> 00:40:23,361 Have these amazing experiences yourself. 877 00:40:24,389 --> 00:40:24,779 Rod Bland: Awesome. 878 00:40:25,372 --> 00:40:25,662 Allyn Evans: do it. 879 00:40:27,534 --> 00:40:29,274 Rod Bland: Yes, and I can recommend it too as someone 880 00:40:29,274 --> 00:40:33,214 who has, I've struggled with meditation and like being 881 00:40:33,214 --> 00:40:36,474 able to focus in the, the, uh, the HemiSync technology 882 00:40:36,474 --> 00:40:40,374 is really, really useful for helping people with that. 883 00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,874 If you do have trouble just quieting your mind, I can 884 00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,324 thoroughly recommend it and it's not expensive at all. 885 00:40:45,912 --> 00:40:46,182 Allyn Evans: Right. 886 00:40:46,332 --> 00:40:47,862 then the Monroe Sound Science is, you know, 887 00:40:47,872 --> 00:40:48,992 the evolution of that. 888 00:40:49,262 --> 00:40:50,832 And then we've got the apps. 889 00:40:50,832 --> 00:40:53,512 It's real, there's a free section on there. 890 00:40:53,572 --> 00:40:56,642 So anyone can get started and listen to this 891 00:40:56,642 --> 00:40:58,292 stuff and experience. 892 00:40:59,174 --> 00:40:59,414 Rod Bland: yeah. 893 00:41:00,289 --> 00:41:02,149 All right, Alan, it's been great talking with you today. 894 00:41:02,229 --> 00:41:04,419 You've been very generous with your time, so I appreciate 895 00:41:04,419 --> 00:41:07,219 you taking the time out to have a chat with me all 896 00:41:07,229 --> 00:41:08,589 the way over in Australia. 897 00:41:09,732 --> 00:41:10,402 Allyn Evans: Thank you. 898 00:41:10,652 --> 00:41:11,332 I enjoyed it.