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Okay, we're sitting in a hunting shack.

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Huddle Duck

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Lodge Huddle Duck Lodge.

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Myself and recurring
podcast guest, Paul Ballard.

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I don't remember him from such episodes
as first time Hunters, What Firearm to

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look for, what ignition to look for.

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And we were talking about fly-in hunts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we thought, you know, we live in
this fantastic province where the hunting

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opportunities are, they're second to none.

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Yeah.

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The opportunities, the this, the
variation in species that's available

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to a resident hunter here, but
it's just a matter of getting to

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where some of those species are.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Bc, beautiful British Columbia,
fantastic hunting opportunities.

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And I know some people when they think
about hunting, they think, Well, okay, I'm

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gonna be in remote, but you see, I wanna
fly into an area, Jenny, for example.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, Jenny, her very first hunt, she
went through her hunter education course,

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she met somebody else on the course and.

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They decide just to fly in.

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I think they flew into the itches.

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They went on a caribou hunt.

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They were successful, but there's so
much that they learned on that hunt.

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That they wished they knew going
into it, which would've saved them

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a whole lot of money, a lot of time.

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And that's kind of the purpose of
this episode here, is to try to kind

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of get people on the right path.

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Yeah.

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And I, after doing it, I dunno,
15 or 16 times now, I go back

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to that first trip and boy, I
learned, uh, substantial amount.

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And with every subsequent trip I've
learned, And you know, it, it, you know,

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if we can share that bit of experience
with your listeners, with the members,

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uh, that are out there, so be it.

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And we also offer up, you know,
the opportunity to ask some

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questions down the road here and
we can help with answering that.

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Totally.

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So hopefully we can get
through this in one episode.

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If not, it'll be two episodes.

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This is an attempt here, I'm
doing some remote recording,

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the hunting lodge that we're in.

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No power.

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So we're operating off battery power
for the lights, battery, power for the

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cameras battery, power for the audio.

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So it's all a learning experience.

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Wood power over here is keeping us warm, a

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little wood power to a side.

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We'll do a pan around.

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We will throw that in as the intro so
people can kind of see what the, uh, the

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area here looks like.

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And what nobody knows is we have
two d a WGS in the room as well.

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So if you hear a little bit of
winding in the background, they

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want to get back out to the

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marsh.

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They do so fly in hunting.

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Lot of things to consider.

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We're looking at kit, uh, clothing,
food, um, looking at accommodation, sleep

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systems, uh, tents we're looking at,

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and let's kind of break, break it down,
sort of, you know, the first and foremost

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thing to consider is what species do
you want to pursue and what part of

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the province do you want to go to.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So as you mentioned, the itchy Mountains,
which you know, Known for its caribou.

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Mm.

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Uh, that portion that goes,
uh, region six is still open.

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Mm-hmm.

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at the north end of the itches and,
and up into the CAS for, for caribou.

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So, uh, individual
wants to pursue caribou.

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You pick a location and there you go.

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Um, I've been fortunate enough to
harvest a caribou on a fly in trip.

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I wouldn't, it would've never
occurred to me to go on a, a

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drive-in, uh, hunt for that.

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And, you know, we, we say in fly in, but,
you know, honestly, fly in, um, Jet boat.

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Boat, boat.

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Yes.

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Almost identical, uh, for, you know, your
weight restrictions, gear restrictions,

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space, space, space especially.

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It's shocking.

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People ought, you know, they look at these
as being the one tru trucks of the, of the

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rivers, but they don't have a lot of room.

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Right.

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They've got a, they are
very, very thirsty beasts.

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So a lot of what's taken up in
deck space or storage space is, is,

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is 45 gallon drums full of fuel.

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Mm.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I mean, a lot of the outfitters
will go out and stash fuel and,

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and, you know, have it that way.

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But it, it's a similar thing.

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So, , There are some
options between the two.

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Uh, I have not done a, uh,
Jetboat trip, but I've talked to

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enough people comparatively, and
I think I'd stay with aircraft.

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Yes, a jetboat can get you in as
long as the water's high enough

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a little bit later in the season.

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Mm-hmm.

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in some cases.

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Mm-hmm.

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. But that is the issue as you get later in
the season, the trade off is, you know,

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the, if the water's going down, but,
you know, the issue being with aircraft

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later on in the, in the season frees up.

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It's an no-go.

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So most of this is gonna happen, uh,
before about the eighth of, of October.

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So we're talking for a
northern British Columbia hunt.

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Uh, a lot of the seasons start to
open early in August, mid-August.

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Mm-hmm.

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for the moose, uh, and the elk.

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And then with the closures on, you know,
those species actually going much further.

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The reality is you gotta plan
on being outta there towards

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the very first week of October.

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Mm-hmm.

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, 
when people are planning for these hunts,
they're gonna be taking time off work.

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They're gonna get their
friends to coordinate.

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Perhaps maybe they're going
all by themselves, which

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is a daunting endeavor boy.

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Um, but there's a mindset
that goes with it as well.

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If you're coming from a built up area,
you're coming from a city environment and

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you're used to being able to go to your
corner store and get your conveniences

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and having, uh, the competitive market of,
of businesses around being Johnny on the

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spot for you, that changes a little bit
when you get start talking to bush pilots.

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Well, yes.

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And boat captains and weather as

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well.

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Right.

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And as you know, because
you've done it, um, once you.

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, once you land there, they're not
coming back to bring you toilet paper.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, if you've forgotten something,
you've gotta, you've gotta have that

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contingency plan for everything.

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Mm-hmm.

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as you go in, you know, many people
go on a drive in hunt and all

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of a sudden realize that they've
forgotten something essential.

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Uh, one of the parties is gonna
turn around and drive out to go get

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whatever's needed and then probably get
some other bonus and then come back.

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Mm.

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And that option really isn't there.

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And particularly with the pilots,
even though you might, uh, take

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some form of communication in with
them, it's not a taxi service.

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You set a date that you want to get in.

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No guarantees that you know the
weather's gonna cooperate, but to

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the best of their ability, they'll
get you in, you know, within a day or

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two of what you wanted to get in on.

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Hmm.

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And then of course, the later you
go in the season, it's that coming

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out, are you gonna be right on time?

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So you always.

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Have that big contingency
plan when you plan to do this.

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These are the dates I wanna do.

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And boss, if I'm not back at work on this
day, we couldn't get out of the bush.

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And, uh, I'll be, you
know, back to work whenever

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I can.

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And that's definitely something
that has to be accounted for.

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And a high level of, um, ingenuity, being
able to figure out how to get by with

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things that you will inevitably forget
or maybe you brought but stops working or

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broke.

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I keep going back to redundancy.

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So where we've gone wrong
on trips is a rifle broke.

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Mm.

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I had, uh, yeah, it happened to me once.

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Then it's, I think two other folks now
on other, you know, parts of our party.

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A rifle that's non serviceable.

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Mm.

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So that's, you know, if you're gonna go
in with four guys, maybe you can forego

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something else for weight to put one
more rifle into the, into the camp so

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that you've got, uh, a way to make up.

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Or if there's just two of you
going, you share one guy's

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rifle once the other one breaks.

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But, uh, we were in grizzly country.

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I was convinced that the 300 Winchester
Short Magnum was the way to go.

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I got one of the very first production
rifles made by that W company.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I guess it's a different
company now, right?

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Yeah.

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So I can actually say it, and that
rifle completely failed on me.

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Um, about two days into
a 12 or 14 day trip.

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What happened?

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I couldn't get the bolt open.

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So once the bolt closed, I could.

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Shy of anything but beating
it with a piece of wood.

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Open the bolt, extract the
cartridge, who was in there.

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So I had a single shot firearm.

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Right.

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Uh, it would fire, but then I wouldn't
be able to work the bolt afterwards.

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Were you loading

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your own ammo or is

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that factory ammo?

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You know what that was factory ammo.

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Okay.

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Because that was, I didn't
even have dyes for the short

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Magnum, the 300 short Magnum.

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This would've been, oh,
probably about 2002.

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Okay.

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2003 maybe.

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And that rifle had only come out,
you know, a year or so before.

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And the cartridge was about
five years old by that time.

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But I was convinced it was the way to go.

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And I put my beloved 30 odd six
aside, which never gave me any

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problems and killed a lot of game.

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But I took that, uh, that Magnum
plunge and there was my problem.

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Well, from my perspective, I think
the very first thing somebody

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should be looking at, if they're
planning a fly in hunt or a boat

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in hunt, would be just the mindset,
getting the mind in the right place.

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And that can be assisted by understanding
some of the variables that are.

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And it can also be assisted by going
out and practicing a bit with your kit,

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practicing a bit with, uh, developing

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some bushcraft skills,
developing bushcraft skills.

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Like if you're not a person that's,
that's used to sleeping on the ground.

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Hmm.

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You need to work on that because
you'll figure it out quick.

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I mean, let's, you can go on a
flying trip in the lap of luxury.

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Hmm.

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It all depends on how much money
you've got because they will,

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you know, keep flying more gear
in, more gear in, more gear in.

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But come a point, you know, it, it becomes
out of the reach of the common guy.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And so what I would like to say is
that this is, uh, if you wanna save

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up for it, this is as affordable as
a, a 10 day all-inclusive vacation

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in Mao land or something like that.

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It, it's kind of equivalent.

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Mm-hmm.

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, it really is.

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So if you wanna do, you know, 10 or
12 days in a, in a remote northern

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lake, uh, it's about the same as a, a
good all inclusive type of vacation.

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Five star.

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Of course, of course.

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But the accommodations are
not gonna be five star.

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If you want five star, then
it's probably gonna cost you.

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Almost, it's safe to say
thousands of dollars more.

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So I did a, um, fly in into the SPEA area.

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Yes.

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And, uh, we arrive, we've got our
kit, we've got the right mindset.

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We've all been exercising ahead of
time, wearing the packs we're gonna be

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wearing, taking 'em up the mountain.

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Everybody who's on the trip is
capable and, and confident in

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their kit and their abilities.

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Uh, accounting for weight, of course,
because weight's gonna be an issue.

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And we got in and there's one other
group that came in and the first plane

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that landed was only one passenger
on it, and cooler and cooler and tote

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and cooler after one after the other.

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Bringing in all their beer,
bringing in all their food, all

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the luxuries that they want.

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Next plane came in, brought some
more passengers and some more kit.

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Holy Crow, the amount of
stuff that these people had.

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And there's a fellow, um, uh, Mark Twight,
uh, if they, I've talked about him before.

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He's gonna be on the podcast
at some point in the future.

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Uh, but he has written a book on extreme
alpinism, and he takes an approach, which

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I think is, uh, similar, that should
be used for the, uh, person who's gonna

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be going out and hunting or doing a
fly-in trip, which is the more kit that

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you have with you that's gonna make you
comfortable, can actually jeopardize your

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safety, can really slow you down, make
you spend way, much, way more time in the

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mountains than you necessarily need to.

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And he goes fast, he goes hard, he
goes light, but he turns around.

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Like if there's an issue, he'll
turn back down to a base camp and

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he'll, he'll make sure that he's,
uh, uh, watching the weather systems.

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So he, he takes a very
minimalist approach.

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These guys came in, took
a very Maximus approach.

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One of the guys forgot his tags,
which was a whole other story on this.

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So that's something if people
are listening, read the book.

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Make a list.

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Make a list, right?

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Make sure

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you have your tags and, and it,
and that list ends with a check

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mark as everything goes onto the,
I went in, uh, to a northern lake.

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Uh, we were in for elk, a very steep.

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We had met as a group, there was
six, seven in that hunting party.

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So we were going in, uh, two
flights with a a de Avalon Otter.

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Uh, but we knew what our
weight con restrictions were,

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so it made a determination.

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We had x number of pounds for the camp.

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That means the tents, uh, the ax, the
chainsaw, the big stuff that, you know,

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was, you know, for everybody to use.

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Mm.

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And then each hunter
had a weight allowance.

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And let's just say it was your pack.

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Rifle was 70 pounds.

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Hmm.

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So everything you got to bring, besides
yourself, 70 pounds, that meant if you

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were gonna bring liquor, if you were
gonna bring, you know, a super duty air

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mattress or anything, you had 70 pounds.

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Hmm.

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We took all of our stuff where one of
the fellows had a set of horse scales

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and we were weighing everything, marking
on it, what everybody's weight, where

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there's some other stories to this.

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But the point I wanna make is
all of our kit was at one place.

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We loaded it all into a trailer
at this place, and we let

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set off two days later for.

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The air base to fly in from.

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Sure.

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And I kept saying, you know,
people were helping with the kit

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and everything else like this.

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Everybody seen my boots.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I put a pair of boots in the plane.

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I saw your boots go in the plane.

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I saw your boots go in the plane.

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Well, my boots never
even got in the trailer.

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Come on from what we did.

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So I had gum boots.

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Yeah.

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And Crocs.

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That was it.

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And I, I fit one of the other
guys had a spare pair of boots,

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so I kind of could wear those.

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They weren't right.

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But, you know, it got
me around a little bit.

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But that's, that's tragedy.

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Like boots that boots is your, you
know, your, your hunting boots.

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Is everything on those type of trips.

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More kind of on that later.

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But you know, you just
planning is everything.

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So on the list.

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Yeah.

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So let's pick, you know, we've kind
of said you're gonna find the spot

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you're gonna go, that's gonna be up.

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Everybody knows how to do their research.

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I hope, you know, you gotta
talk to other hunters.

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Uh, you start interviewing these
Packer, Outfitters that are up there.

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Mm-hmm.

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, uh, in most cases, guides are not
gonna be a huge amount of help

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because you're a resident hunter.

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Uh, in British Columbia in
particular, you're a resident hunter.

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You can go anywhere you want.

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In this province, their hunting
concession is not private property.

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Mm-hmm.

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, uh, and therefore they're not gonna help
you by, uh, wanting you to come into that

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cherry spot that they have, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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, they've got, they've got money to
make big, big money to make on this,

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and they're not interested in a lot
of cases of even entertaining taking

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a resident hunter into their camp.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So you've gotta look at the guy who
makes his money by taking you in there,

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whether he takes you in by aircraft.

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Jetboat or by even horseback.

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Mm-hmm.

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, they can't guide you.

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They can't put you on animals.

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They can say yes from this camp.

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The last time I picked somebody up,
they came out with two elk, or they

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came out with a sheep or whatever.

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They'll go that far, but
they're not gonna, they're

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not gonna put you on animals.

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That's, that's, that's where
the conflict between a guide

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and a packer really exists.

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You know what I mean?

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You, you know, one of the areas,
So you're talking about doing the

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research, talking to different people,
uh, how you're talking to another

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hunter, they might not put you on.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Maybe if they're out of the area
and they've already been in, they

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might say, Okay, now that I'm done,
I'll let you know what I've seen.

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Um, what some people will do is they'll
go on to like Facebook groups for hikers.

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Mm-hmm.

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, Reddit groups for hikers.

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If you're in an area where it's
gonna be frequented by hikers,

00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:52.570
fisherman, or anglers, because
they'll be talking and like

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Reddit.

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When I said fisherman, I
should have said anglers.

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Right.

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Well, how politically incorrect of me

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. 
So.

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Uh, you can actually put flags on
it, like in Reddit and say, Give

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me an email if this word comes
up, or if they talk about this.

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So you go into a hunting forum and, Sorry.

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Yeah.

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You go into a hunting forum,
you try and put those flags

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and everyone's tight lipped.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you go into a hiking forum and
people will say, Oh, I saw a moose.

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You should have seen the antlers,
and, or, I saw whatever it is.

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And those are your key words.

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And all of a sudden you start getting
emails and you can, you can either

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try and suss out the proximity
from where they're talking about,

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or you can message 'em directly.

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And quite often people are, are happy to

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share that with you.

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It's, it's all about any hunting trip
is all about the intel before you go in.

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Huge, You know, you, you can put
together, you know, the time of

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year, the potential for the rut
being on all these other things.

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But animals are in pockets.

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They're in pockets.

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Game is always in pockets.

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And if somebody's been seeing a lot, then
that's probably the likely place to go.

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Mm.

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Um, again, the outfitter, the
packer that's taking you into this

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place, , he might or she might want
to take you to a place where it's

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a good lake to land, knows there's
some good camps and everything else.

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Mm.

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But there hasn't been a hair come out of
there in, you know, a couple of seasons.

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They're not gonna tell you that.

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Right.

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They're, you know, they're happy
to say there are animals there.

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You're gonna read lots of the blogs
where people are talking about, you

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know, the stuff has come out of there.

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It's been good.

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Traditionally, you read some of the
old books, you know, those are, you

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know, some of the other ones, like
right now, Caribou's in Jeopardy.

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There's no open, there's no open
season caribou in, in seven.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you have to go to six for
any open caribou, right?

00:18:31.125 --> 00:18:31.305
Mm-hmm.

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. So, you know, you're, you're
looking at, uh, or is No, I think.

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Seven A, there might be some
caribou still open, but I can

00:18:42.375 --> 00:18:44.205
guarantee you somebody in the
comments will let us know.

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Yeah.

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Uh,  within a heartbeat.

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Yes.

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Because there's nothing more
important than to correct some loud

00:18:49.995 --> 00:18:54.075
mouth on a podcast and make sure
that you knew more than he did.

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That's, that's, And and can I
just say I don't know at all?

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I do not know at all , but I know some

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stuff.

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There's a, a very interesting, and
this is totally an aside, but the

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Guinness Book of World Records Yes.

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Was created by the Guinness Beer Company.

00:19:06.465 --> 00:19:06.585
Yeah.

00:19:06.825 --> 00:19:10.545
Guinness Beer Company says, How do we
get people into bars drinking more beer?

00:19:10.815 --> 00:19:12.165
And they said, Well, they like football.

00:19:12.170 --> 00:19:12.375
Right.

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Soccer.

00:19:13.635 --> 00:19:15.795
And, uh, people seem to like trivia.

00:19:16.935 --> 00:19:20.895
So maybe if we made a book with trivia in
it, it would keep 'em, you know, eating

00:19:20.985 --> 00:19:22.755
pretzels and nuts and drinking beer more.

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How do we make this book on trivia?

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Well, I guess we gotta figure out who the
fastest runner is and the highest jumper.

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Some right person said no, we'll just
make those stats up ourselves cuz people

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are more inclined to correct us than
they already give us that information.

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So they made up the stats to begin
with and they found that, uh,

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they didn't have to pay people for
information cuz people would jump

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on the boat and correct 'em right

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away.

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Okay.

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Dear listener, it's up to
you to make this right.

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We'll do our best.

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Yes.

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To go for it.

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So where were we?

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You pick your location, you pick,
you, you start to interview the

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outfitters in the area and some of
them are, are legit and read ratings

00:20:00.120 --> 00:20:01.320
that other people have given him.

00:20:01.350 --> 00:20:03.900
I tend to look oh five star rating.

00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.740
You know, 95% of the people that have
rated this guy has given him five stars.

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I go immediately start the one
star workup from that mm-hmm.

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and just see what kind of things.

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And usually, you know, you
can read between the lines.

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Somebody's giving 'em one star because I
don't know, they didn't give a champagne

00:20:19.110 --> 00:20:20.460
on the flight or something like that.

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Yeah.

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And, and everybody's got a bad day.

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So if, if it looks good, then
that's the person typically.

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Um, if you book far in advance, you're
gonna get a discount on the flights.

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Mm-hmm.

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, it's an awful time in
the world for fuel costs.

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When I first did a fly-in
trip, I think it cost under a

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thousand dollars for each guy.

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I'm not talking just the air for,
I'm talking virtually everything.

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Right.

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You know, from the fuel to drive
from, you know, the lower mainland

00:20:51.990 --> 00:20:57.150
up to the north, uh, to, to take the
flight in, uh, the, you know, one

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flight plus an extra flight that was
bringing out the, the harvest with us.

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Hmm.

00:21:01.590 --> 00:21:06.885
So, you know, To where four
years ago, five years ago.

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Must have been five years ago.

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The, the last one, uh, we were talk,
probably talking about 2,500 per person.

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You're probably looking
at about three grand now.

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Yeah.

00:21:18.345 --> 00:21:20.685
You know, on a, on a
shared camp situation.

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So, you know, expect it to, you know,
put some money away for this thing, but

00:21:25.065 --> 00:21:27.945
expect it to be between three and $4,500.

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And just what you're comparing that
to is you are now potentially hunting

00:21:32.475 --> 00:21:34.695
where people will pay a guide.

00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:40.540
$40,000 us to pursue that sheep
on the same mountain that you

00:21:40.540 --> 00:21:42.790
now have wide open to you.

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Mm-hmm.

00:21:43.300 --> 00:21:43.500
. Okay.

00:21:43.629 --> 00:21:46.480
They may have the experience and
everything else, but you've now

00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.720
got the out of pocket spending
to give you that determination

00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:51.220
to get up and work that hill.

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Mm-hmm.

00:21:51.796 --> 00:21:52.840
. And, and there it is.

00:21:52.845 --> 00:21:54.129
That's, that's the motivation.

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Is the hunting easier on a fly-in trip?

00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:58.899
Hell no.

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Hell no.

00:22:00.639 --> 00:22:04.389
If you've able to go on a moose hunt
and you'd be able to drive a truck

00:22:04.389 --> 00:22:08.770
within 200 yards of, you know, the dead
moose and you gotta yard it down the

00:22:08.770 --> 00:22:10.660
hill, you know, we've all been there.

00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:10.750
Right?

00:22:10.750 --> 00:22:10.840
Sure.

00:22:10.870 --> 00:22:14.530
That's, And we complain about how tough
that was going through the buck brush

00:22:14.530 --> 00:22:19.030
and the, you know, and or you came in
coming out of a logging cut, cut block

00:22:19.030 --> 00:22:20.440
and the slash that you climbed over you.

00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:22.060
Oh man, that was really tough.

00:22:23.219 --> 00:22:28.590
Shoot a moose six miles from where
your base camp is, and every ounce

00:22:28.590 --> 00:22:31.740
of that edible portion of that
animal's gotta go on your back.

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Mm-hmm.

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. And if there's two of you,
that means however many trips.

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And usually a moose is, in my experience,
bounded out about nine full packs.

00:22:40.745 --> 00:22:40.820
Mm.

00:22:41.340 --> 00:22:46.320
And that's a reasonable amount for a,
you know, a good fit man, woman to,

00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:50.610
uh, to carry, to, to carry from, from
the place of the kill back to the camp.

00:22:50.669 --> 00:22:50.850
Yeah.

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You know, and, and then therein, you
know, in these remote situations lies

00:22:56.219 --> 00:23:01.500
some of the other, some of the other
issues that, you know, normally you can

00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:05.580
leave bones in, in a quarter of moose,
you're not probably gonna do that on

00:23:05.820 --> 00:23:05.909
a fly.

00:23:06.479 --> 00:23:06.929
No.

00:23:06.929 --> 00:23:10.110
And so that, and of course those are
the dogs we hear in the background.

00:23:10.110 --> 00:23:12.270
They're, they're pretty eager to
get back out and do a little bit

00:23:12.274 --> 00:23:13.469
of hunting, but, uh, well, who's

00:23:13.469 --> 00:23:15.240
not, but you know, it is hunting

00:23:15.245 --> 00:23:15.629
season.

00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:16.169
It is.

00:23:16.169 --> 00:23:18.449
But there's some useful information
here, and I figure if we just

00:23:18.449 --> 00:23:19.979
take a little bit of time.

00:23:20.340 --> 00:23:22.920
We'll have an posterity
for people for a long time.

00:23:23.070 --> 00:23:25.500
I think so we've, we've kind
of, you know, shot around.

00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:29.430
So now we've, we've picked our
species, we've found an outfitter.

00:23:29.909 --> 00:23:34.230
The questions to ask, Okay, what type
of equipment are they gonna take in?

00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:36.389
When I say equipment,
what, what's the aircraft?

00:23:36.659 --> 00:23:38.820
You know, what's the weight
carrying of the aircraft?

00:23:38.820 --> 00:23:43.170
So usually like the, you
know, the, the 1 180 2 s Yeah.

00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:44.399
180 2 Ssta.

00:23:44.430 --> 00:23:46.770
That's about 600 pounds plus the pilot.

00:23:46.800 --> 00:23:47.070
Hmm.

00:23:47.129 --> 00:23:52.649
So you get 2, 250 pound guys, there's
500 pounds, you get another a hundred

00:23:52.649 --> 00:23:54.030
pounds of gear, that's all you're allowed.

00:23:54.060 --> 00:23:54.149
Mm-hmm.

00:23:54.280 --> 00:23:55.139
. So you gotta think about that.

00:23:55.320 --> 00:23:55.590
Mm-hmm.

00:23:55.649 --> 00:23:59.300
, you know, often, uh, people
going in, in, in the 180 2 s.

00:24:00.555 --> 00:24:03.405
they might have to go two flights
in like that to, to get it.

00:24:03.435 --> 00:24:07.395
Or now you start looking who's
flying a beaver de javelin.

00:24:07.395 --> 00:24:07.545
Yeah.

00:24:07.575 --> 00:24:07.815
Yeah.

00:24:07.815 --> 00:24:12.375
So the de javelin beaver is about a
thousand pounds plus the, plus the pilot.

00:24:12.915 --> 00:24:16.455
And then you go up to the otter, which
is like the one ton truck of the sky.

00:24:16.455 --> 00:24:16.545
Mm-hmm.

00:24:16.815 --> 00:24:20.986
, it's about 2000 pounds, you know, and,
and it just goes on and on and on.

00:24:20.991 --> 00:24:23.745
And they, you know,
basically you can't cheat it.

00:24:24.015 --> 00:24:26.385
There's a great big scale
right there on the dock.

00:24:26.445 --> 00:24:26.535
Mm-hmm.

00:24:26.775 --> 00:24:29.835
. And you climb on that
scale, they weigh you.

00:24:30.165 --> 00:24:33.555
So, you know, and we've had guys
trying to cheat stuff, uh, you

00:24:33.555 --> 00:24:36.615
know, by loading up their pockets
and the pilot weighs you before you

00:24:36.620 --> 00:24:37.845
get on and they're pretty sharp.

00:24:37.905 --> 00:24:43.245
Cuz honestly, people's lives depend
on, on that, that, uh, you know,

00:24:43.245 --> 00:24:46.695
critical balance of the aircraft,
how much weight, you know, on there.

00:24:46.745 --> 00:24:46.945
Mm-hmm.

00:24:47.025 --> 00:24:47.835
. So it is serious.

00:24:48.195 --> 00:24:50.415
So you picked your outfitter,
you got your weight.

00:24:50.995 --> 00:24:52.255
Start thinking now.

00:24:54.055 --> 00:24:55.915
You gotta start planning on equipment.

00:24:56.695 --> 00:24:58.105
Of course, first thing
is going to everybody.

00:24:58.105 --> 00:25:00.145
Well, this is the caliber
rifle I'm gonna take.

00:25:00.145 --> 00:25:03.025
This is the scope that's
gonna be on it, eh?

00:25:03.535 --> 00:25:08.305
Think about safety and, and you
know your sur ultimate survival.

00:25:08.395 --> 00:25:08.485
Mm-hmm.

00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:10.165
, because the potential is there.

00:25:10.615 --> 00:25:11.605
The weather turns.

00:25:11.605 --> 00:25:16.405
The atmospheric river, as we all
experience now, shows up and you're gonna.

00:25:17.250 --> 00:25:19.650
Days, week longer.

00:25:19.650 --> 00:25:22.080
There's been guys that, you know,
have told stories of being in two

00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:23.640
weeks longer than what they expected.

00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:28.380
There's been guys who have had, you
know, the sound of a helicopter is

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:32.460
the first thing they hear, and a
helicopter is coming in as a rescue.

00:25:32.465 --> 00:25:32.690
Right.

00:25:32.690 --> 00:25:36.840
And, and I mean, that's the obligation
that the, you know, the, the, the packer

00:25:36.840 --> 00:25:42.150
has, if they can't fly in a helicopter
can take much worse weather, but none

00:25:42.155 --> 00:25:43.810
of your hunting gear is coming out.

00:25:43.810 --> 00:25:44.250
Mm-hmm.

00:25:44.360 --> 00:25:45.250
, you're coming out.

00:25:45.255 --> 00:25:45.931
You're coming out.

00:25:45.936 --> 00:25:46.470
That's it.

00:25:46.470 --> 00:25:50.250
And if the helicopter comes in,
uh, you know, you better spray

00:25:50.250 --> 00:25:54.060
your rifles down with lots of oil,
soak up some your sleeping bags.

00:25:54.060 --> 00:25:56.940
So maybe in the spring you can
go back and get your stuff.

00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:59.310
But you know that, that
really is the truth.

00:25:59.310 --> 00:26:02.670
They can't transport your
rifle, they can't transport

00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:04.620
any of your meat, any of that.

00:26:04.620 --> 00:26:06.750
They're gonna just bring you
in a limited amount of gear

00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:08.070
out if the helicopter goes in.

00:26:08.250 --> 00:26:08.790
Well, you've had

00:26:08.790 --> 00:26:12.960
experiences where you've been out and
a couple days are going by with other.

00:26:13.055 --> 00:26:13.745
Pilot coming in.

00:26:13.975 --> 00:26:14.335
Oh, yeah.

00:26:14.375 --> 00:26:14.555
Yeah.

00:26:14.555 --> 00:26:16.295
You want to try that one on for size.

00:26:16.625 --> 00:26:19.715
So, you know, you're counting down
and of course everybody's getting

00:26:20.005 --> 00:26:22.775
a little bit on everybody's nerves.

00:26:23.405 --> 00:26:24.035
That's another point.

00:26:24.065 --> 00:26:24.335
Yeah.

00:26:24.335 --> 00:26:26.495
You, and, and that's the
thing you need to pick.

00:26:26.495 --> 00:26:29.285
If you're gonna go with a group,
you better, you know, like the

00:26:29.285 --> 00:26:34.055
guys that you're going with, a lot
of cases, a solo hunter, you're

00:26:34.055 --> 00:26:35.285
probably in love with yourself.

00:26:35.285 --> 00:26:38.455
So it's gonna be, you know, there's
no question of when you're gonna

00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:41.195
eat, how far you're gonna go each day
because you're making those decisions.

00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:41.285
Mm-hmm.

00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:45.845
, you know, as soon as you add that next
person in, then there's always an issue.

00:26:45.845 --> 00:26:49.385
And it's a good idea to, to pick
somebody that you've been on a

00:26:49.385 --> 00:26:53.225
few trips with before and you know
what each other's limitations are.

00:26:53.405 --> 00:26:57.545
And then that's the other thing
too, is you set that, um, hey, if

00:26:57.545 --> 00:27:00.515
I get under your skin, you gotta
tell me there's nothing worse.

00:27:00.515 --> 00:27:03.995
That people that do slow boils, you know,
underneath, and then all of a sudden

00:27:03.995 --> 00:27:07.034
the pot, you know, Comes apart, right?

00:27:07.034 --> 00:27:09.705
You know the, the lid blows
off and there's a big fight.

00:27:09.885 --> 00:27:13.514
It's when you say, Look, you gotta
stop doing whatever you're doing

00:27:13.725 --> 00:27:16.155
cuz it's starting to really bug
me and don't be afraid to say it.

00:27:16.304 --> 00:27:17.385
And the other guy's gotta have enough.

00:27:17.685 --> 00:27:20.294
The other person's gotta have
thick enough skin to accept that.

00:27:20.895 --> 00:27:24.345
That's a really good point when
going and choosing the people

00:27:24.405 --> 00:27:27.375
you're gonna be with because doesn't
matter if you guys are best buds.

00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.430
When you're going days without food
and you're lugging your whole life

00:27:32.430 --> 00:27:34.410
on your back up and down hills.

00:27:34.470 --> 00:27:34.710
Well,

00:27:34.770 --> 00:27:35.760
well, here's how it goes.

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:36.510
Attitudes can change.

00:27:36.510 --> 00:27:40.680
You know, come down at a sheep camp,
you know, after one guy's success.

00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:41.670
We've been down there.

00:27:41.970 --> 00:27:47.640
Uh, we're in base camp Harvest a
oh, a moose, two moose, another

00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.310
elk, uh, and a caribou on that trip.

00:27:50.310 --> 00:27:51.810
So everything's looking good.

00:27:52.290 --> 00:27:54.450
Uh, we've gotta, you know,
we're coming out heavy.

00:27:54.450 --> 00:27:55.680
There's no question about it.

00:27:56.010 --> 00:27:57.330
Uh, we're all set up.

00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.190
This is the exit day.

00:27:59.550 --> 00:28:01.500
The lake we're on is beautiful.

00:28:01.590 --> 00:28:01.800
Hmm.

00:28:01.830 --> 00:28:03.150
Bluebird skies.

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:04.470
The weather's nice.

00:28:04.470 --> 00:28:05.880
There's no wind or anything else.

00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.550
Collapse the base camp, pack everything.

00:28:09.465 --> 00:28:11.024
Get everything down to the beach.

00:28:11.055 --> 00:28:16.155
You ready for the aircraft to arrive
and tick, tick sitting around, get your

00:28:16.155 --> 00:28:20.655
pocket books out, you're reading, waiting,
join a little bit of sun sight seeing,

00:28:20.655 --> 00:28:24.075
and four o'clock comes that there's,
and there's no sound of an aircraft.

00:28:24.105 --> 00:28:24.284
Mm-hmm.

00:28:25.725 --> 00:28:29.504
, pull the tents out, go back up,
get a fire going, pull the stoves

00:28:29.510 --> 00:28:34.485
out, have a meal and everything
else for four nights doing that.

00:28:34.685 --> 00:28:34.885
Mm-hmm.

00:28:35.024 --> 00:28:38.205
and that's really where you saw,
you know, there's, the food is now

00:28:38.205 --> 00:28:40.635
down to, you know, freeze diet food.

00:28:40.635 --> 00:28:43.935
There's, you know, the, you
know, there stuff's gone.

00:28:43.935 --> 00:28:44.264
Right?

00:28:44.475 --> 00:28:47.024
Or you're down to sort of minimal ration.

00:28:47.024 --> 00:28:51.855
So this is the thing, always plan,
you know, for that unexpected.

00:28:51.855 --> 00:28:55.784
So again, with the redundancy thing,
yeah, I've got enough food for 10 days,

00:28:55.995 --> 00:28:58.365
let's make it enough food for 15 days.

00:28:58.605 --> 00:29:03.284
And if, if things start to happen,
then we know we can sort of start

00:29:03.290 --> 00:29:10.170
rationing what remains, uh, What's really
different now though, is the opportunity

00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:12.690
to take communications with you.

00:29:13.790 --> 00:29:18.220
We first started going there
was sat phones, but they were

00:29:18.225 --> 00:29:22.200
so free, inexpensive, nobody
even thought to take 'em.

00:29:22.290 --> 00:29:26.490
Our emergency signal was an orange
tarp on the beach, and hopefully if

00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:28.290
the pilot flew over, they'd see it.

00:29:28.290 --> 00:29:29.790
So we're younger.

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.960
Uh, and fortunately nothing
big ever happened, but I

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.130
kind of think back on that.

00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.510
I couldn't do it anymore.

00:29:36.515 --> 00:29:39.860
So, uh, having that ability
to communicate with the pilot.

00:29:40.830 --> 00:29:45.600
by satellite link of some form and they
can either text you or you've got your

00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:49.530
so phone to say, Hey look, we're not
coming in for, you know, several days.

00:29:49.530 --> 00:29:52.020
That's a, it's a nice
heads up to have spot

00:29:52.260 --> 00:29:53.280
in reach Zo.

00:29:53.639 --> 00:29:53.820
Yeah.

00:29:53.820 --> 00:29:57.149
The new iPhones have satellite
communications on them for sos.

00:29:57.510 --> 00:30:00.360
But there's one thing that you mentioned
that I thought was kind of an interesting

00:30:00.365 --> 00:30:03.720
point just to kind of hammer home
when we're talking about the group,

00:30:03.780 --> 00:30:05.129
the people that you're going up with.

00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:05.370
Yeah.

00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:08.000
Uh, it's like getting into a contract.

00:30:08.310 --> 00:30:10.530
People say, Well, I got this
contract in place so if things

00:30:10.530 --> 00:30:11.639
go wrong, I can sue you.

00:30:12.120 --> 00:30:15.990
Well, no, you've got a contract in place
so you don't have to reach that point.

00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:20.970
Cuz everybody knows the ground rules
going into the, the whatever it is that

00:30:20.970 --> 00:30:22.379
they're entering into a contract on.

00:30:22.770 --> 00:30:27.000
So entering it in with your mates,
you're gonna be out in the back country

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.830
with and saying, Look at, here's
some things that really annoy me and

00:30:32.250 --> 00:30:35.670
I'll give you a heads up if it starts
happening or if I haven't eaten in a

00:30:35.676 --> 00:30:37.439
while, I can get cranky or here's some.

00:30:38.055 --> 00:30:41.805
Or the other thing too is to have somebody
that can intervene when two of the

00:30:41.925 --> 00:30:46.365
people are starting to go loggerheads
the, the third person in the group.

00:30:46.365 --> 00:30:49.605
You know, if you have more than
two on that, on that, uh, on that

00:30:49.610 --> 00:30:51.045
hunt, that can be helpful as well.

00:30:51.195 --> 00:30:51.225
Mm.

00:30:51.615 --> 00:30:55.635
I mean, I gotta be honest, the
guys I've flown in with, um, shy a

00:30:55.635 --> 00:30:59.295
few in the first part, and then a
couple of the bigger groups, like

00:30:59.295 --> 00:31:00.825
sometimes these things get outta hand.

00:31:01.754 --> 00:31:03.315
I think four is an ideal number.

00:31:03.794 --> 00:31:05.264
Mm two is an ideal number.

00:31:05.745 --> 00:31:09.375
You start going beyond that and getting
five or six people and, and what

00:31:09.375 --> 00:31:13.245
tends to happen is it's just, we just
throw money at the, at the packer and

00:31:13.250 --> 00:31:16.365
they just take another flight, take
another flight, take another flight.

00:31:16.754 --> 00:31:21.105
And we've had, you know, as many as seven
and I think eight actually in one flight.

00:31:21.105 --> 00:31:22.754
And that was just too much.

00:31:23.024 --> 00:31:23.054
Mm.

00:31:23.054 --> 00:31:24.794
First of all, you get too
many people work in the.

00:31:25.820 --> 00:31:30.439
So you, it's almost like being in,
you know, the, the road access areas.

00:31:30.439 --> 00:31:32.209
There's so many other hunters.

00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.330
I mean, the area is vast that
you're in, but there's only

00:31:35.330 --> 00:31:36.350
so far you can travel, right?

00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:37.399
Yeah, exactly.

00:31:37.405 --> 00:31:40.730
So, yeah, you know what's good if
a portion of the group is gonna

00:31:40.735 --> 00:31:44.929
spike out and, and put a spike
camp, you know, for sheep or, or

00:31:44.929 --> 00:31:47.629
something like that, where the other
guys are gonna focus on hell yeah.

00:31:47.629 --> 00:31:48.530
That, that works.

00:31:48.679 --> 00:31:49.459
That works.

00:31:49.730 --> 00:31:54.139
Uh, and there's a potential, So you've
got a great base camp for the, the sheep

00:31:54.139 --> 00:31:59.060
hunters to come back to, you know, for,
uh, for, for, you know, taking care

00:31:59.064 --> 00:32:00.560
of their hides and this sort of stuff.

00:32:00.564 --> 00:32:04.399
There's, there's all, you know, some
security in heaven, big numbers like that.

00:32:04.399 --> 00:32:08.240
Everybody's got more eyes out for,
you know, for, for predators if

00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:09.169
they're gonna cause you a problem.

00:32:09.169 --> 00:32:11.899
If bears are gonna come around,
that's all you know, it's okay.

00:32:11.899 --> 00:32:16.070
But boy, when you decide to go,
you gotta make sure you're gonna

00:32:16.070 --> 00:32:17.840
love those people, you know?

00:32:18.735 --> 00:32:20.685
A little bit more than you think.

00:32:20.745 --> 00:32:24.165
Well, this one group, I'm talking
to Bo that brought all the kit in.

00:32:24.525 --> 00:32:28.545
Uh, we got up early in the
morning, we're hiking up the

00:32:28.550 --> 00:32:31.605
mountain and, you know, going slow.

00:32:31.605 --> 00:32:34.035
We got our packs on, We got
what we need for the day.

00:32:34.035 --> 00:32:38.805
We're just gonna do a quick day, Wrecky
check, check the place out in behind us.

00:32:38.805 --> 00:32:41.355
These guys come running up,
they're up drinking all night.

00:32:41.355 --> 00:32:44.595
So they woke up a little bit
later and they're in shorts and

00:32:44.595 --> 00:32:47.535
runners and they're running up
the mountain and there's my son.

00:32:47.535 --> 00:32:50.115
He was like, Oh, are they gonna
find the animals before we do?

00:32:50.115 --> 00:32:52.215
And we told him, I said,
Don't worry about it.

00:32:52.275 --> 00:32:53.625
You just, you just watch.

00:32:53.625 --> 00:32:54.585
We just keep plugging through.

00:32:54.615 --> 00:32:55.305
We do our thing.

00:32:55.905 --> 00:32:56.505
We'll be good.

00:32:56.505 --> 00:32:56.685
Right.

00:32:56.685 --> 00:32:57.045
Lots of.

00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:02.220
Anyways, we gaining elevation,
gaining elevation, getting colder.

00:33:02.610 --> 00:33:04.350
Turned into a bit of, this is in August.

00:33:04.350 --> 00:33:06.000
A uh, snowstorm comes up.

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.790
One guy is just out on
the trail by himself.

00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:11.940
The rest of the group were in, split
up and then went around the side.

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:17.070
He looks like he's almost in tears
cuz he's tired and hungry and cold and

00:33:17.490 --> 00:33:20.580
doesn't know where the other people
are and says he wants to go home.

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.470
This is day one for them.

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.260
He says they're already fighting,
they're already arguing.

00:33:26.070 --> 00:33:27.990
And these guys were best buds in the city.

00:33:28.260 --> 00:33:33.810
The mountains will bring out things and
you, which you might not know of, maybe

00:33:33.810 --> 00:33:35.970
go for a trip with your buddies ahead

00:33:36.090 --> 00:33:36.420
of time.

00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:36.810
Oh yeah.

00:33:36.810 --> 00:33:40.020
And we've, you know, we've had
that happen on a couple trips where

00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:41.610
you didn't know some of the guys.

00:33:41.610 --> 00:33:43.200
And boy did you get a surprise.

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:43.650
Mm-hmm.

00:33:43.890 --> 00:33:45.270
, you know, and, and that's not good.

00:33:45.450 --> 00:33:46.050
That's not good.

00:33:46.055 --> 00:33:51.959
So yes, it's good to do a couple
of, you know, Four truck hunts where

00:33:52.139 --> 00:33:54.959
if you do have that fight, you just
get in your drunk leaves , you know?

00:33:54.959 --> 00:33:55.260
Yes.

00:33:55.320 --> 00:33:58.949
That, that's, that kind of kind of
works, I mean, your relationship

00:33:58.955 --> 00:34:00.360
and my, you know, with mm-hmm.

00:34:00.600 --> 00:34:04.500
our relationship is one that I don't
think, you know, we're going to, we're

00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:08.790
gonna do, do this one day together, but
our, so far our hunts have been great.

00:34:08.790 --> 00:34:09.420
We'll be just fine.

00:34:09.509 --> 00:34:13.500
We just, you know, I know that, you
know, we understand each other's quirks.

00:34:13.589 --> 00:34:14.040
Gotcha.

00:34:14.130 --> 00:34:14.429
You know?

00:34:14.429 --> 00:34:14.699
Yes.

00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:15.000
I like that.

00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:19.529
But, uh, it is, it is important to
know the group that you're going

00:34:19.534 --> 00:34:22.589
with, getting back to it so you know
the group that you're going with.

00:34:22.770 --> 00:34:24.179
It's not a taxi service.

00:34:24.270 --> 00:34:26.730
You're gonna be in there
for a set period of time.

00:34:26.790 --> 00:34:27.870
Weather plays a huge role.

00:34:27.870 --> 00:34:28.080
Yeah.

00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:30.989
Well, and then there's the other
thing too, when you're sitting there

00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:35.339
about to make a play on a nice bull
caribou and, uh, that you spotted

00:34:35.339 --> 00:34:40.440
from the outhouse in the  that
exists up there, believe it or not.

00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.000
Um, so you run back, get your, your
pack board on, and you, you get your

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.655
rifle and you're starting to go and
all of a sudden, hey, There's our pilot

00:34:47.655 --> 00:34:51.045
coming in, we've only been in for a
few days, and he comes in and he's

00:34:51.045 --> 00:34:54.915
got a weather report in his hand and
he says, You guys, you really need to

00:34:54.915 --> 00:34:56.565
think about how much longer you stay.

00:34:56.570 --> 00:35:00.825
You either come out now or you're
gonna be in for days, days and

00:35:00.825 --> 00:35:02.505
days longer than what you expect.

00:35:02.805 --> 00:35:06.575
So that was one of those unfortunate
times we had to call it, you know,

00:35:06.855 --> 00:35:08.505
call it short and, and go out.

00:35:08.505 --> 00:35:09.225
So, and

00:35:09.705 --> 00:35:14.445
I'll add to that, if your pilot comes
back and says that these bush pilots,

00:35:14.445 --> 00:35:17.715
particularly in British Columbia,
are a different breed, they are

00:35:17.745 --> 00:35:21.795
pay special heed to what they say,
they're built a little bit different.

00:35:21.795 --> 00:35:21.915
Yeah.

00:35:22.125 --> 00:35:23.235
And, and I'll give an example.

00:35:23.235 --> 00:35:28.905
We had a, um, uh, a fly in for
fishing and, uh, flying into a lake.

00:35:28.905 --> 00:35:32.085
This guy's got, uh, he flies into
this area for the Outfitters for

00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:34.905
Moose, and he built his own little
cabin out there for fishing.

00:35:34.905 --> 00:35:36.045
He's got an accord with him.

00:35:36.225 --> 00:35:40.425
I won't bring anybody on my own in for
hunting, just for fishing because I

00:35:40.425 --> 00:35:41.925
bring your guys in for, for hunting.

00:35:42.225 --> 00:35:42.435
Yeah.

00:35:43.075 --> 00:35:43.495
And.

00:35:44.445 --> 00:35:47.955
So anyways, he had a, we've flown
with him before on other trips

00:35:47.955 --> 00:35:49.185
and he had a helper this time.

00:35:49.635 --> 00:35:53.265
This guy was really nice, really
friendly and helped load the, the

00:35:53.265 --> 00:35:54.885
plane up and got everything ready.

00:35:54.885 --> 00:36:00.855
Pilot comes down, we're flying off,
and, and, uh, first thing I said, I

00:36:00.860 --> 00:36:02.265
said, Well, what happened to your 180 2?

00:36:02.270 --> 00:36:04.575
And he's like, Well, you know, I
don't mean to scare you, but these

00:36:04.575 --> 00:36:05.745
things break all the time, right.

00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:07.635
, they're, uh, they're old planes.

00:36:07.635 --> 00:36:10.965
And so it goes into this whole thing
and then we're talking about his

00:36:10.965 --> 00:36:14.985
helper and said, um, how fantastic it
was and how much it's gonna help him.

00:36:14.985 --> 00:36:19.635
And, and as we're flying in, he
keeps taking pictures and I'm

00:36:19.635 --> 00:36:23.475
looking around, I'm like, There's
nothing really photographic scenic

00:36:23.475 --> 00:36:24.435
that he's taking pictures of.

00:36:24.435 --> 00:36:26.715
So finally I say, What are
you taking pictures of?

00:36:26.715 --> 00:36:28.125
He's like, Oh, just the weather patterns.

00:36:28.130 --> 00:36:31.515
I want to show the new guy kind
of what it looks like and okay.

00:36:32.055 --> 00:36:33.225
And what he can expect.

00:36:33.855 --> 00:36:37.665
And as we're flying further and further,
we'll get about an hour and a half into

00:36:37.665 --> 00:36:40.815
it and he says, Okay, next bend, we're
gonna see what our window looks like.

00:36:40.815 --> 00:36:44.205
I don't know, but the weather, to me, the
weather looked pretty darn good, right?

00:36:44.210 --> 00:36:45.555
And he says, I don't know about this.

00:36:45.555 --> 00:36:46.665
We might not be able to get in.

00:36:46.785 --> 00:36:47.745
Okay, fair enough.

00:36:47.745 --> 00:36:49.815
Lands us quick, All of our stuff off.

00:36:49.815 --> 00:36:50.535
Bang, he's gone.

00:36:51.855 --> 00:36:53.295
Week later he comes, picks us up.

00:36:53.415 --> 00:36:55.845
Of course, during this time,
the fridge that we had supposed

00:36:55.845 --> 00:36:56.685
to have there didn't work.

00:36:56.685 --> 00:37:00.045
So thankfully we could catch fish
because all of our fresh food

00:37:00.045 --> 00:37:01.965
ends up only lasting so long.

00:37:02.445 --> 00:37:03.675
It's another consideration.

00:37:03.675 --> 00:37:10.065
Kit can break, picks us up after, um, my
seat breaks in the plane, and we figure a

00:37:10.065 --> 00:37:13.995
way to kind of get that thing together as
we're, I'm doing a permanent ab crunches.

00:37:13.995 --> 00:37:14.895
Were coming out here.

00:37:15.225 --> 00:37:17.775
I'm asking him, I said, Well,
how's the new pilot working out?

00:37:18.045 --> 00:37:18.495
He says, Oh, he.

00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:20.310
Like, what?

00:37:20.370 --> 00:37:21.060
What do you mean he quit?

00:37:21.060 --> 00:37:21.450
He's said, Yeah.

00:37:21.450 --> 00:37:23.940
I came back, I showed him those
pictures that I took and he said

00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:25.260
he didn't have the stomach for it.

00:37:25.410 --> 00:37:29.130
He flew helicopters
commercially for, uh, skiing.

00:37:29.580 --> 00:37:32.700
He flew to havelin beavers
for logging companies.

00:37:32.700 --> 00:37:34.440
But this is 10 minutes
up, 10 minutes down.

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:35.580
This is 20 minutes here.

00:37:35.910 --> 00:37:38.610
These bush pilots are going
out one, two hour out.

00:37:38.790 --> 00:37:40.320
Whether systems change things can.

00:37:41.024 --> 00:37:42.585
They're built differently.

00:37:42.585 --> 00:37:46.424
If they come in with a caution, don't
think that perhaps you know better than

00:37:46.424 --> 00:37:48.254
them because there's a good possibility.

00:37:48.464 --> 00:37:52.484
Their threshold for danger and
fear in the air exceeds yours.

00:37:52.575 --> 00:37:52.845
Right.

00:37:53.085 --> 00:37:54.254
And that's, and that's the thing.

00:37:54.259 --> 00:37:56.984
So if they say they don't wanna
fly, cuz we've flown and you're

00:37:56.990 --> 00:38:00.625
thinking really  and Yeah.

00:38:00.705 --> 00:38:04.214
And then, uh, you, you know, you,
you want to get a hand on that air

00:38:04.214 --> 00:38:08.805
sickness bag before you hit in  because
when that thing like loses, you watch

00:38:08.805 --> 00:38:13.845
the al Alternator just dialing like
crazy and, and you know, you've just

00:38:13.850 --> 00:38:17.585
lost 400 feet just like that and you
know, your stomach is still up there.

00:38:18.194 --> 00:38:18.495
Yeah.

00:38:18.495 --> 00:38:25.245
It it and it,  one kind is for a flying
trip sitting in the back seat and there's

00:38:25.365 --> 00:38:28.865
an alarm that goes off in the aircraft
that, you know, just keeps going on

00:38:28.865 --> 00:38:31.484
and on and on whenever they, soon as
he started up, I don't know what it

00:38:31.484 --> 00:38:33.194
is, but it's nothing to worry about.

00:38:33.254 --> 00:38:37.515
Every plane does it and you can hear
him cuz we all have headsets and, you

00:38:37.515 --> 00:38:39.464
know, Mike's on and, and he, he's going.

00:38:40.305 --> 00:38:45.165
Can anybody else hear that alarm ? You
know it, and it is, it's unnerving

00:38:45.165 --> 00:38:46.785
to, to people to, to go up there.

00:38:46.785 --> 00:38:47.925
But it is worth it.

00:38:48.135 --> 00:38:51.735
The scenery from the
flight is just stend us.

00:38:51.765 --> 00:38:51.885
Mm-hmm.

00:38:52.215 --> 00:38:56.385
spotting game on the tops of
these mountains as you're hitting.

00:38:56.385 --> 00:38:56.435
That's amazing.

00:38:56.665 --> 00:39:00.825
It's just, it's worth the
price of admission, you know?

00:39:00.855 --> 00:39:01.365
Absolutely.

00:39:01.365 --> 00:39:05.145
Seeing where, and then, and then coming
in and he says, See that lake up in

00:39:05.145 --> 00:39:08.985
the, you know, in, you know, at the 11
o'clock there, that's where we're going.

00:39:08.990 --> 00:39:09.945
And you go, Wow.

00:39:09.945 --> 00:39:14.265
And it's like a, a pinpoint, you know, And
you near it, you near it and you start to

00:39:14.265 --> 00:39:20.655
descend and just seeing the trees start to
rise up and then crystal clear lake that

00:39:20.875 --> 00:39:22.245
you'll land on, there's nothing like it.

00:39:22.365 --> 00:39:22.635
Yeah.

00:39:22.905 --> 00:39:24.165
It's not easy hunting.

00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.930
, but it's great hunting and
it's a great experience.

00:39:27.930 --> 00:39:33.390
And you know,  the beaches up
there that looked like something

00:39:33.395 --> 00:39:35.910
outta The Bahamas and some of
these lakes, you can't believe it.

00:39:35.910 --> 00:39:41.130
Sometimes you get in there and it's like
the, I remember the 4th of October and

00:39:41.610 --> 00:39:46.920
of course I deal in Fahrenheit 98 degrees
for, you know, midday at one day up

00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.420
there where it had been down well below
zero for a week before we were up there.

00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:55.110
Just weird, you know, weather is,
is a thing and, and it's a, it's

00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:56.850
an issue, but getting back to it.

00:39:56.855 --> 00:39:57.690
Pick a good pilot.

00:39:57.750 --> 00:40:02.220
Pick a pilot with a safe record, Pick
a pilot who is serious about what he's

00:40:02.220 --> 00:40:04.590
doing, the weights, all those things.

00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:07.259
Um, these guys are in the tourism.

00:40:08.335 --> 00:40:11.665
when they're not taking hunters and
anglers in, they're taking site, Sears

00:40:11.665 --> 00:40:15.835
in, you know, they're, they, you know,
they're, they're up to talking to you.

00:40:16.024 --> 00:40:16.305
Mm.

00:40:16.555 --> 00:40:22.345
Quite often, you know, in, if you go one
of the outdoor hunting or angling shows,

00:40:22.345 --> 00:40:24.265
a lot of times these pilots will be there.

00:40:24.504 --> 00:40:27.415
They'll have maps, they'll have
ideas, they'll have suggestions.

00:40:27.714 --> 00:40:30.415
So once you've made that
selection, we're digressing.

00:40:30.564 --> 00:40:34.555
I was talking a little bit about
before you plan what kind of

00:40:34.555 --> 00:40:36.895
kit you want to go in, you want
to have that safety equipment.

00:40:36.895 --> 00:40:38.725
So communication now is everything.

00:40:38.814 --> 00:40:38.875
Mm.

00:40:40.890 --> 00:40:45.210
Once you've figured out what you want
to take, be a SAT phone, uh, one of the,

00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:49.440
you know, text type communicators, any
of those, they all seem to work good.

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.530
I know you and I are both using inReach.

00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:51.780
Mm-hmm.

00:40:52.020 --> 00:40:53.430
, uh, shameless plug for them.

00:40:53.790 --> 00:40:58.710
Uh, but Garmin has got a great product
there and it works and it works well.

00:40:59.040 --> 00:41:02.430
Lio is another one that's been rated
quite well based on how they work.

00:41:02.640 --> 00:41:07.350
Uh, downside is you need to, it'll
send an SOS or I think a couple of,

00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.850
uh, predetermined messages, but you
need to have your phone integrate and

00:41:11.850 --> 00:41:13.020
if you want to type something out.

00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:13.830
Right.

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.610
Whereas the inReach can, it'll
fail back to the instrument, so.

00:41:17.610 --> 00:41:17.730
Right.

00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:21.510
It's nice to have your, your, your
smartphone beside you and then they

00:41:21.510 --> 00:41:24.300
just wirelessly way easier way to type.

00:41:24.390 --> 00:41:24.840
Yes.

00:41:25.080 --> 00:41:27.390
So the brick, I think is another one Yes.

00:41:27.390 --> 00:41:28.200
That people talk about.

00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:30.150
We see that being used,
but we're regardless.

00:41:30.210 --> 00:41:31.110
You should plan on that.

00:41:31.110 --> 00:41:31.590
Mm-hmm.

00:41:31.870 --> 00:41:32.290
and.

00:41:32.924 --> 00:41:36.524
If not, if all else you can
rent a SAT phone, you can.

00:41:36.524 --> 00:41:36.765
Right.

00:41:37.154 --> 00:41:38.955
You know, they're
available at the airport.

00:41:38.955 --> 00:41:43.785
You can order one, they deliver it by,
you know, whatever, Amazon or whatever

00:41:43.785 --> 00:41:47.145
delivery company is there, and then you
just mail it back after the thing's over.

00:41:47.174 --> 00:41:47.444
One

00:41:47.450 --> 00:41:52.095
caveat though, um, you've rented
SAT phones, I've rented SAT phones.

00:41:52.154 --> 00:41:53.444
Uh, they don't always

00:41:53.444 --> 00:41:53.924
work.

00:41:53.984 --> 00:41:55.245
They don't work very, Yeah.

00:41:55.245 --> 00:41:56.265
They're surprising.

00:41:56.294 --> 00:42:00.435
And then that's the other thing too,
is, you know, figure out which network

00:42:00.435 --> 00:42:05.435
it's on because, uh, um, and I don't
wanna name names, but you know what,

00:42:05.654 --> 00:42:09.404
you know, they're, they said the pilot
looks that goes, Oh, you've bought.

00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:10.380
That one.

00:42:10.470 --> 00:42:11.940
Those aren't really good up here,

00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:15.240
So if you're planning on
bringing this, that phone, ask

00:42:15.240 --> 00:42:16.500
the pilot what they're using.

00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:16.770
Mm.

00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:17.220
Okay.

00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:22.740
Ask him if he has the ability, if you're
gonna send texts to him or her, uh,

00:42:22.745 --> 00:42:25.470
or are you gonna have to do it through
a third party or something like that.

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:25.680
Mm-hmm.

00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.260
. And then all in all,
remember that SOS on there.

00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:33.420
That's calling out, you know, the, the
World Search and Rescue Network for you.

00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.920
And it's not gonna go
directly to the pilot.

00:42:36.990 --> 00:42:37.530
That's important.

00:42:37.530 --> 00:42:39.690
So communication, very important.

00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.280
A lot of guys get up there and when you
have that emergency cell phone, they're

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:45.510
phone and home and everything else.

00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:47.760
Now you get homesick and
people wanna go home.

00:42:47.765 --> 00:42:48.540
Right, Right.

00:42:48.630 --> 00:42:52.080
So,  it is what it is, you know.

00:42:52.120 --> 00:42:52.400
Sure.

00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.010
You know, having that can be, it can be,
it can be a bit of a curse, but boy, in

00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:58.200
the, in the event of an emergency, it's.

00:42:59.535 --> 00:43:03.345
Talk about communication
first fly and trip nine 11.

00:43:03.405 --> 00:43:08.205
We were the first flight the
pilot was legally allowed to do

00:43:08.205 --> 00:43:09.585
after the grounding of nine 11.

00:43:09.585 --> 00:43:15.645
So I think we went in on the 14th
or the 15th of September and the

00:43:15.645 --> 00:43:19.095
party that we were bumping off of
the lake that we were going to.

00:43:19.095 --> 00:43:23.025
So the pilot, typically the way they work
is they like to take you in somewhere

00:43:23.025 --> 00:43:26.355
where they're picking somebody else up
and it may be actually on a direct spot.

00:43:26.925 --> 00:43:31.215
So we went in and these were a bunch of
firefighters, some retired firefighters

00:43:31.215 --> 00:43:33.825
and, and a, you know, with a big link.

00:43:33.825 --> 00:43:38.025
And it was, you know, my nine 11 moment
was, was, you know, telling these guys

00:43:38.025 --> 00:43:43.665
that the World Trade Center had come
down both towers and, and a great loss of

00:43:43.665 --> 00:43:45.795
life amongst the firefighting community.

00:43:46.035 --> 00:43:48.585
And it was just, I get it,
goosebumps now when I think about it.

00:43:48.755 --> 00:43:50.805
It was just a moving moment.

00:43:50.805 --> 00:43:53.625
But it's all about, you know, the
point being communication, you know?

00:43:53.625 --> 00:43:53.715
Right.

00:43:54.375 --> 00:43:56.085
And, uh, and go for there.

00:43:57.825 --> 00:44:00.165
Radios, I don't think are
gonna be the right thing.

00:44:00.165 --> 00:44:04.065
You've gotta, you gotta really know how
to put some kind of monster antenna up.

00:44:04.065 --> 00:44:04.904
And you're gonna be

00:44:04.904 --> 00:44:08.145
like, if you know what you're doing with
the radio, maybe, but most people don't.

00:44:08.145 --> 00:44:10.305
And that's extra weight
that you're bringing.

00:44:10.305 --> 00:44:10.365
Yeah.

00:44:10.395 --> 00:44:13.365
And, and that's the, the thing
with the inre, it's idiot proof.

00:44:13.365 --> 00:44:14.984
Now you gotta remember.

00:44:15.205 --> 00:44:18.385
You gotta finite battery life
on these rechargeable devices.

00:44:19.795 --> 00:44:25.255
A power pack may now be the thing that
you need to consider in your weight load.

00:44:25.665 --> 00:44:25.785
Hmm.

00:44:25.790 --> 00:44:29.725
Uh, so even these little power packs
that'll jumpstart your car and things

00:44:29.725 --> 00:44:33.385
like that, a lot of them will give
you sufficient charges for, you

00:44:33.385 --> 00:44:38.065
know, a attendee or, uh, trip so
that you can keep your devices, both

00:44:38.065 --> 00:44:41.995
your, you know, cuz who's bringing
a camera anymore, except you,

00:44:42.625 --> 00:44:45.115
Most people are gonna bring
their, their cell phone in, right?

00:44:45.115 --> 00:44:45.805
To take pictures.

00:44:45.805 --> 00:44:46.975
So you gotta charge that up.

00:44:47.275 --> 00:44:50.815
Um, you know, it's, it's not gonna be
using a lot of data, but, you know, you

00:44:50.815 --> 00:44:55.585
want to get those nice files on the, on
your phone, uh, the beautiful scenery.

00:44:55.585 --> 00:44:59.005
And so many phones take better
pictures than any of the cameras,

00:44:59.005 --> 00:45:00.775
and they're light and easy to carry.

00:45:00.865 --> 00:45:03.085
Small solar system, uh, solar panel.

00:45:03.535 --> 00:45:06.535
Uh, a battery system that can, you
can just leave out to charge up.

00:45:06.535 --> 00:45:09.805
So you don't plug your device
directly into the solar panel.

00:45:09.865 --> 00:45:10.075
Yeah.

00:45:10.105 --> 00:45:12.564
And then you can come back and
charge up your phone, which is

00:45:12.564 --> 00:45:14.484
a fantastic navigational tool.

00:45:15.115 --> 00:45:18.685
We'll see how the iPhone,
whatever it is now, fifteens,

00:45:18.685 --> 00:45:19.674
fourteens to do with their set.

00:45:19.944 --> 00:45:20.125
The,

00:45:20.205 --> 00:45:24.835
the thing is, if you leave your phone on
the whole time, it's, you know, it doesn't

00:45:24.839 --> 00:45:26.214
have to be a satellite communication.

00:45:26.214 --> 00:45:27.865
I mean, it's just doing it by Yeah.

00:45:28.225 --> 00:45:31.705
You know, whatever voodoo
lives with inside that machine

00:45:31.705 --> 00:45:32.785
that I don't understand.

00:45:33.024 --> 00:45:34.855
But yeah, it could be used for navigation.

00:45:35.185 --> 00:45:37.105
Your maps and everything
are, are on there.

00:45:37.464 --> 00:45:38.935
So we've got communication.

00:45:39.355 --> 00:45:43.254
We just talked about
navigation, uh, map and compass.

00:45:43.585 --> 00:45:44.694
Never run outta batteries.

00:45:44.694 --> 00:45:44.935
Right.

00:45:45.685 --> 00:45:45.835
But

00:45:45.835 --> 00:45:46.345
you have to know

00:45:46.345 --> 00:45:46.884
how to use them.

00:45:46.915 --> 00:45:47.365
Right.

00:45:47.365 --> 00:45:52.674
And, and I am really fortunate
because, you know, more than 50

00:45:52.680 --> 00:45:55.044
years of using maps and compasses.

00:45:56.040 --> 00:45:59.190
I don't really feel the obligation
to use my GPS to navigate.

00:45:59.490 --> 00:45:59.580
Right.

00:45:59.580 --> 00:46:04.109
I feel totally confident with just
the map and compass and you know,

00:46:04.109 --> 00:46:07.859
showing people the wonders of how to
do, you know, a resection on a map.

00:46:07.950 --> 00:46:08.040
Yeah.

00:46:08.069 --> 00:46:10.589
With your compass to show
exactly where you are.

00:46:10.950 --> 00:46:13.830
And when people are saying, Well
I can't do that, and they're

00:46:13.890 --> 00:46:17.049
checking their gps and sure enough
the coordinates are the same.

00:46:17.049 --> 00:46:17.330
Mm-hmm.

00:46:17.410 --> 00:46:21.480
and then whip the GPS lights
go out  and what do you do now?

00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:21.960
Right.

00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:24.060
And that was one of the things
that I noticed when we first

00:46:24.060 --> 00:46:25.859
started carrying GPS on.

00:46:26.565 --> 00:46:30.255
Any hunting trip, they weren't
rechargeable and they just

00:46:30.255 --> 00:46:31.485
sucked those batteries up.

00:46:31.485 --> 00:46:31.575
Mm-hmm.

00:46:31.575 --> 00:46:35.415
You probably had to carry pounds
worth of, you know, AA batteries to

00:46:35.415 --> 00:46:39.315
keep putting back into your little,
you know, what was it, the 3 360

00:46:39.315 --> 00:46:40.965
Garmin 360 or something like that.

00:46:40.970 --> 00:46:41.155
Sure.

00:46:41.175 --> 00:46:45.765
You had the little tiny screen on it, but
like I say, map and compass, the eTrex.

00:46:45.795 --> 00:46:46.155
Yeah.

00:46:46.185 --> 00:46:46.785
It's gotta, Yeah.

00:46:46.995 --> 00:46:47.515
eTrex.

00:46:47.515 --> 00:46:47.675
Yeah.

00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:48.255
That's what it was.

00:46:48.645 --> 00:46:51.195
Uh, but you gotta have your map encompass.

00:46:51.285 --> 00:46:51.525
Yeah.

00:46:51.735 --> 00:46:55.965
So that's your backup to your
whatever electronic navigation and

00:46:55.965 --> 00:46:57.225
communication you're gonna have.

00:46:57.375 --> 00:46:58.545
The map encompass is there.

00:46:58.715 --> 00:46:58.995
Mm.

00:46:59.325 --> 00:47:04.065
Your backup to your communication in the
case of an emergency should have flares.

00:47:04.155 --> 00:47:04.305
Yep.

00:47:04.515 --> 00:47:05.445
Signal panel.

00:47:05.565 --> 00:47:05.775
Yep.

00:47:05.865 --> 00:47:06.195
You know

00:47:06.615 --> 00:47:07.275
your compass will have a

00:47:07.275 --> 00:47:07.635
mirror.

00:47:07.725 --> 00:47:08.865
You're Exactly.

00:47:08.865 --> 00:47:11.415
And that's what, but you want
to bring another mirror cuz you

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:14.415
get those nice little ones that
you can aim, but nonetheless.

00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:16.560
Redundancy is everything.

00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.590
So as they, you know, I like to say in
the tactical operators world, one is none.

00:47:22.640 --> 00:47:22.880
Yeah.

00:47:22.885 --> 00:47:23.400
Two is one.

00:47:23.405 --> 00:47:24.330
Yeah, it's true.

00:47:24.630 --> 00:47:25.230
Yeah, it's true.

00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:28.320
We had a, you know, pro propane stove.

00:47:28.325 --> 00:47:33.090
We were relying on a two bearer
propane stove in our, uh, base camp.

00:47:33.090 --> 00:47:36.750
And everybody of course had their, you
know, their little, uh, pack stoves.

00:47:36.750 --> 00:47:43.440
I don't think, uh, they had, um, what's
the, the one, the jet boils right then.

00:47:43.445 --> 00:47:47.220
But we were using little, you know, white
gas pump up stoves and stuff like that.

00:47:47.790 --> 00:47:54.990
And of course our propane stove crapped
out because propane, you know, again,

00:47:54.990 --> 00:47:58.710
you run that risk, you know, if you,
it, and it was actually the stove,

00:47:58.710 --> 00:48:00.120
the jets and the stove wouldn't work.

00:48:00.150 --> 00:48:04.290
So we did, you know, another eight,
nine days of cooking just on the little

00:48:04.470 --> 00:48:06.060
backpack stoves, which was fine, you

00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:08.340
know, Well in the whole one is none.

00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:09.060
Two is one.

00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:12.960
There is a limit to what you
can haul on the plane to what

00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:13.920
you can haul on your back.

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:14.130
Right.

00:48:14.279 --> 00:48:17.250
And so there, there has to start
building some non-negotiables.

00:48:17.430 --> 00:48:20.700
If you're going up with a, a
team, a group, you can start

00:48:20.790 --> 00:48:22.500
bringing in more equipment.

00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:26.279
Someone can have the, uh, the major
parts of a tent, let's say, and the other

00:48:26.279 --> 00:48:30.180
person can have, uh, the cookware and
you can start sharing amongst each other.

00:48:30.270 --> 00:48:33.359
And it wouldn't make sense for everyone
to, to double up on those things.

00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:38.160
Um, but there are some things that you
definitely would want to double up on.

00:48:38.370 --> 00:48:38.670
Yeah.

00:48:38.790 --> 00:48:43.680
What would you say are non-negotiables
that you want to make sure that you, you

00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:47.009
have sorted, you have maybe doubles of?

00:48:47.250 --> 00:48:47.520
Uh,

00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:52.410
I, I definitely two cooking systems,
cuz that did prove out okay to say,

00:48:52.410 --> 00:48:54.060
Oh, I can cook everything on a fire.

00:48:54.720 --> 00:48:56.250
What if you can't get a fire going?

00:48:56.250 --> 00:48:58.470
If it's that wet or you're so high

00:48:58.475 --> 00:48:59.580
in the alpine, you have no fuel.

00:48:59.580 --> 00:48:59.940
Right?

00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:01.290
And, and that's, that's the other thing.

00:49:01.290 --> 00:49:03.060
So you get up into a lot
of these sheep camps.

00:49:03.240 --> 00:49:06.420
There, there there's no fire
that's stove only operations.

00:49:06.420 --> 00:49:08.279
So you, you know, mean.

00:49:11.235 --> 00:49:15.465
It's crazy in the north, the, you
know, the, the, the weather or not,

00:49:15.465 --> 00:49:18.315
I shouldn't say the ecosystems from,
you know, one range to the next.

00:49:18.315 --> 00:49:20.955
You go to one and it's
like the go be desert.

00:49:20.985 --> 00:49:24.075
You go to another and it's, and
you go like, Man, I didn't think

00:49:24.080 --> 00:49:26.145
anybody could be that wet up here.

00:49:26.145 --> 00:49:26.325
You know?

00:49:26.325 --> 00:49:26.805
Yes.

00:49:26.925 --> 00:49:28.575
And, and it's just shocking.

00:49:28.575 --> 00:49:32.175
It's, it's, and also, I mean,
you can actually walk from one

00:49:32.175 --> 00:49:34.575
area to another and be surprised.

00:49:34.575 --> 00:49:34.665
Mm-hmm.

00:49:34.725 --> 00:49:36.285
You know, in, in your hunt as to how.

00:49:37.305 --> 00:49:40.754
Mountain weather changes, I would
definitely have two cooking systems.

00:49:40.904 --> 00:49:41.174
Okay.

00:49:41.265 --> 00:49:47.055
I would definitely have, in addition
to my shelter, backup shelter, because

00:49:47.444 --> 00:49:50.384
we have been in hurricane force winds.

00:49:50.685 --> 00:49:50.865
Yes.

00:49:50.895 --> 00:49:55.305
And if you, you know, went cheap
and didn't get a decent tent

00:49:55.305 --> 00:49:58.725
and that thing blows, its mo
rings, you're done, you're done.

00:49:59.254 --> 00:50:01.035
Then shelter, shelter is everything.

00:50:01.035 --> 00:50:05.785
So you need, you know, a si tarp or
something of that nature that you

00:50:05.790 --> 00:50:08.115
can put together a hasty shelter.

00:50:08.415 --> 00:50:11.535
If you lose your, your principal
shelter, it won't be pretty,

00:50:11.714 --> 00:50:12.194
but you'll be

00:50:12.200 --> 00:50:12.645
alive.

00:50:12.645 --> 00:50:13.125
That's right.

00:50:13.125 --> 00:50:16.305
You've gotta get out of that wind,
out of that rain, out of that storm.

00:50:16.754 --> 00:50:18.345
Um, we had a.

00:50:18.685 --> 00:50:22.645
The wind was going so hard,
broke a, a fiberglass tent pole.

00:50:22.705 --> 00:50:23.125
Right.

00:50:23.605 --> 00:50:25.165
And it broke between the joints.

00:50:25.165 --> 00:50:29.274
And, you know, you'd think,
How am I gonna fix this?

00:50:29.455 --> 00:50:31.705
I fired off a cartridge, 30 out six.

00:50:31.915 --> 00:50:33.295
I took my leather man out.

00:50:33.685 --> 00:50:36.924
I worked for quite a while,
but I cut the hat off.

00:50:36.984 --> 00:50:37.194
Yeah.

00:50:37.375 --> 00:50:41.545
And then I pushed the two pieces
into the 36 cartridge and then

00:50:41.549 --> 00:50:42.774
taped it up with duct tape.

00:50:42.774 --> 00:50:45.205
And, you know, that held wasn't pretty.

00:50:45.205 --> 00:50:46.015
That's ingenuity.

00:50:46.015 --> 00:50:48.805
And that goes back to what we were
talking, the mindset and ingenuity

00:50:48.805 --> 00:50:49.315
at the beginning.

00:50:49.315 --> 00:50:49.404
Yeah.

00:50:49.435 --> 00:50:50.754
You get, you should be prepared.

00:50:50.759 --> 00:50:56.734
So, but, uh, the other thing that
I definitely have a backup on, you

00:50:56.845 --> 00:50:59.776
don't have to have the same kind
of boots, but you certainly need

00:50:59.781 --> 00:51:01.495
to be able to preserve your feet.

00:51:01.625 --> 00:51:01.975
Mm.

00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:03.055
So you should.

00:51:04.095 --> 00:51:05.115
a change of footwear.

00:51:05.565 --> 00:51:05.865
Okay.

00:51:06.105 --> 00:51:09.884
Quite often, you know, if you're
gonna be hunting off of a lake, you

00:51:09.884 --> 00:51:11.174
might be taking water outta the lake.

00:51:11.174 --> 00:51:15.855
So a pair of these, you know,
mock, uh, Irish setter, bogs, I'm

00:51:15.855 --> 00:51:17.444
trying to get hit all the big ones.

00:51:17.475 --> 00:51:17.654
Yeah.

00:51:17.805 --> 00:51:21.285
You know, Hunts worth all
these, you know, high top.

00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:24.270
Rubber boots that have a
bit of insulation, that

00:51:24.270 --> 00:51:26.040
have a nice tight ankle fit.

00:51:26.040 --> 00:51:31.170
So in a pinch you can pack with them, you
can walk and everything else like that.

00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:33.960
I'm not talking, you
know, big old gum boots.

00:51:33.990 --> 00:51:34.200
Yeah.

00:51:34.205 --> 00:51:38.160
The old army and navy red bottom
black tops that used to get when

00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:39.779
you went back to school in the fall.

00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:41.220
, Yes.

00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:41.700
Yeah.

00:51:42.060 --> 00:51:46.290
Uh, but you know, those good quality
rubber boots to back up your mountain

00:51:46.290 --> 00:51:50.940
boots and, and you need of course, you
know, a good sturdy set of, of boots.

00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:52.080
So, yeah.

00:51:52.290 --> 00:51:56.825
And in addition to, I, I just, If you
can only take the one pair of boots, you

00:51:56.825 --> 00:51:58.775
still gotta save your feet at some point.

00:51:58.775 --> 00:51:59.765
Crocs are something Crocs.

00:51:59.765 --> 00:51:59.915
Yeah.

00:51:59.915 --> 00:52:02.975
Crocs are sandals and Crocs weigh nothing.

00:52:03.005 --> 00:52:06.185
You could even get, you know, those
other ones that are now super air

00:52:06.185 --> 00:52:07.565
light and, and things like that.

00:52:07.565 --> 00:52:11.944
And those are absolute life
savers on a, you know, when you've

00:52:11.944 --> 00:52:14.825
been on your dogs all day, you
gotta get your boots dried out.

00:52:15.215 --> 00:52:17.825
You gotta get, uh, get
your feet back in shape.

00:52:17.825 --> 00:52:18.725
Those, those can save.

00:52:18.725 --> 00:52:19.955
Well, river crossings true

00:52:19.955 --> 00:52:20.315
enough.

00:52:20.315 --> 00:52:22.955
Roll up the, the take your pants off Yep.

00:52:23.134 --> 00:52:24.154
And throw your CROs on.

00:52:24.154 --> 00:52:24.904
Save your feet.

00:52:24.904 --> 00:52:28.384
Because if you, if you bugger
your feet, you're your trip.

00:52:28.415 --> 00:52:29.055
That's right.

00:52:29.055 --> 00:52:29.134
Yeah.

00:52:29.134 --> 00:52:31.924
Barefooting across the
stuff is not the way to go.

00:52:31.930 --> 00:52:33.575
It's, it's not If you can avoid it Yeah.

00:52:33.575 --> 00:52:35.255
And everything is sharp.

00:52:35.915 --> 00:52:36.154
Of course.

00:52:36.345 --> 00:52:39.424
If it didn't look sharp, you're gonna
find just how sharp it was as soon

00:52:39.424 --> 00:52:40.565
as you put your bare feet in there.

00:52:40.565 --> 00:52:42.005
No, I, The cro Yeah.

00:52:42.005 --> 00:52:44.435
So footwear, Absolutely.

00:52:44.435 --> 00:52:46.235
You've gotta have a backup on that.

00:52:46.355 --> 00:52:46.685
Mm.

00:52:46.775 --> 00:52:47.345
Um.

00:52:50.100 --> 00:52:51.720
The rifle we kind of talked about.

00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:53.040
Not super essential.

00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:56.550
Most rifles, you know, and, and
that maybe was the error I made.

00:52:56.790 --> 00:53:00.900
That rifle had basically been
sighted in, broken in, but it hadn't

00:53:00.905 --> 00:53:03.810
been used on, That was the first
hunt that rifle went, uh, went on.

00:53:03.870 --> 00:53:04.080
Mm.

00:53:04.140 --> 00:53:05.820
It didn't bloody anything on that.

00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.350
And I was, you know, we were
in grizzly country as well.

00:53:10.350 --> 00:53:10.410
Yeah.

00:53:10.410 --> 00:53:12.480
So you, you may need
that firearm for that.

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:13.470
So you, you

00:53:13.470 --> 00:53:19.050
know what else I will bring with me
Slingshot and a small spincaster,

00:53:19.410 --> 00:53:21.570
and I don't pack 'em with me.

00:53:21.570 --> 00:53:27.900
I'll sew 'em someplace, but I know if I
need food, hopefully I can catch fish.

00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:31.230
If I'm in an area, hopefully
I can get a, a tar again or,

00:53:31.235 --> 00:53:31.980
or or something.

00:53:32.310 --> 00:53:32.550
Yeah.

00:53:32.550 --> 00:53:36.630
It's, it's funny how I, you know, the poor
fool hand has been called the fool hand.

00:53:36.630 --> 00:53:40.980
And, and I remember as a kid, you know,
listening to all these Hunter saying,

00:53:40.985 --> 00:53:42.420
Oh yeah, they just stand, there you go.

00:53:42.425 --> 00:53:43.380
Whack 'em with a stick.

00:53:43.950 --> 00:53:44.880
. I've never seen one.

00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.140
I could've whacked with a stick.

00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:50.100
I've seen a couple that maybe if I
had have been, you know, highly adept

00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:54.360
with a throwing stick, might have
been able to get, you might have got

00:53:54.700 --> 00:53:57.450
'
em with, uh, throwing knife younger.

00:53:57.630 --> 00:53:57.870
Yeah.

00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:00.840
And um, it actually hit
backwards, but it did the trick.

00:54:00.930 --> 00:54:01.140
Yeah.

00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:06.570
And, um, and a but, uh, most of
the time you just gotta be either

00:54:06.570 --> 00:54:09.600
a really good shot or really lucky
when you're throwing these things.

00:54:10.935 --> 00:54:12.495
Because if you're not,
they're, they're, they're

00:54:12.495 --> 00:54:13.035
up and they're gone.

00:54:13.125 --> 00:54:13.365
Right.

00:54:13.634 --> 00:54:16.725
And, but that is, that's a
great way to supplement your

00:54:16.725 --> 00:54:17.955
diet while you're on there too.

00:54:17.955 --> 00:54:21.584
So, you know what, I'd be more
inclined to put a 22 in there

00:54:21.584 --> 00:54:23.625
somewhere, get, you know, Yeah.

00:54:23.685 --> 00:54:27.555
You get a little undersized kid
size 22 doesn't weigh anything.

00:54:27.855 --> 00:54:28.095
Yeah.

00:54:28.095 --> 00:54:28.365
You know?

00:54:28.365 --> 00:54:28.754
Good point.

00:54:28.759 --> 00:54:29.895
And, and the ammos cheap.

00:54:30.044 --> 00:54:30.765
Little game getter.

00:54:30.765 --> 00:54:31.004
Yeah.

00:54:31.035 --> 00:54:32.685
Little game getters is worth heaven.

00:54:32.745 --> 00:54:32.865
Yeah.

00:54:32.895 --> 00:54:36.285
I mean, if you, you know, tag out,
of course, then you're gonna be able

00:54:36.285 --> 00:54:40.575
to supplement, uh, with the, the
tenderloins or something of that nature.

00:54:40.575 --> 00:54:43.305
You know, you can eat the tongue,
the heart, all that is more

00:54:43.305 --> 00:54:44.535
protein while you're there.

00:54:45.030 --> 00:54:48.450
Uh, but, uh, like you say, you know,
nothing more frustrating to be on

00:54:48.450 --> 00:54:51.510
one of these hunts and maybe it's
a, it's a down day, you've gotta do

00:54:51.510 --> 00:54:53.280
some firewood gathering or whatever.

00:54:53.430 --> 00:54:55.410
It's handy to pack that little 22 around.

00:54:55.410 --> 00:55:00.600
I might, you know, get some ditch
chickens as Adam Bach would like to say.

00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:03.720
uh, and uh, bring those back.

00:55:03.750 --> 00:55:05.940
I think it's disrespectful
to call 'em ditch chicken.

00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:06.390
Ditch chicken.

00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:08.340
I just like to call them delicious.

00:55:08.370 --> 00:55:09.000
Delicious.

00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:09.240
Yeah.

00:55:09.420 --> 00:55:13.770
So, uh, what we eat when we're
on a fly in hunt is something

00:55:13.775 --> 00:55:17.640
that if you're expending a lot of
energy, you're gonna need calories.

00:55:17.645 --> 00:55:21.330
And some people say you can't
eat enough calories to make

00:55:21.330 --> 00:55:22.350
up for what you're expending.

00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:25.980
I don't know if that's true, but I think
when it comes down to what you're able to

00:55:25.980 --> 00:55:29.130
pack in your options start to get limited.

00:55:29.670 --> 00:55:34.500
So knowing, like typically I like sweet
things, I got a bit of a sweet tooth.

00:55:34.680 --> 00:55:38.400
If I'm in the mountain, remember one
of my first times going out and I

00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.010
pack some sweets cause I figured, you
know, it's gonna be some good energy.

00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.650
I had a hard time choking this stuff down.

00:55:43.650 --> 00:55:48.360
After a while, I, I found I craved
fatty and salty foods just to try

00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.430
and re I guess, replace electrolytes.

00:55:50.950 --> 00:55:54.270
Hawkins cheeses for me have
been a life saver cuz it gives

00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:55.290
you some food in your building.

00:55:55.295 --> 00:55:55.650
They're nice

00:55:55.650 --> 00:55:56.670
and light to pack along.

00:55:56.670 --> 00:55:57.960
They're a little bulky, but yeah.

00:55:58.440 --> 00:55:59.280
Oh, I, I love 'em.

00:55:59.340 --> 00:56:04.200
I love 'em because of the, the amount
of, um, calories that they, they end

00:56:04.205 --> 00:56:08.790
up giving you and then like gummies, a
little, um, gummy that you can put in your

00:56:08.795 --> 00:56:10.110
mouth and you're hiking or you're moving.

00:56:10.110 --> 00:56:13.170
It just kind of keeps your, uh, your
blood sugar level up and it keeps

00:56:13.350 --> 00:56:15.210
the attitude in the right place.

00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:15.600
Yeah.

00:56:15.600 --> 00:56:19.800
You know, and, and we planned on going
on these trips, you know, lots of times.

00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.800
And the, and the idea is
a lack of refrigeration.

00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.960
So taking fresh food is not necessarily
an option, but often it's the fresh

00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.130
food that has the higher caloric
content to it to get you through.

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:39.420
So,  Apples, dried apples, dried fruits,
you know, those are all fairly high in

00:56:39.450 --> 00:56:42.420
the sugar and the carbohydrates that
you need for that boost of energy.

00:56:42.600 --> 00:56:42.750
Hmm.

00:56:42.779 --> 00:56:45.420
But you're right in the long run,
it's the fats that are gonna keep

00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:47.670
you warm and, and, and go through.

00:56:47.670 --> 00:56:53.279
So if you can get, you know, that,
um, attitude, I mean freeze dried

00:56:53.285 --> 00:56:58.800
food, you look, and the calories
on those are only like five or 600.

00:56:59.370 --> 00:56:59.730
Right.

00:56:59.730 --> 00:57:01.830
You know, per package, which is
making you think of something.

00:57:01.830 --> 00:57:01.980
Right

00:57:01.980 --> 00:57:03.990
now, it's making me think
of the freeze dried food.

00:57:03.990 --> 00:57:07.650
We got a bunch of this Silvercore
freeze dried food, which I've been

00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:11.490
testing out different recipes and
different kinds, and I should actually

00:57:11.490 --> 00:57:14.580
find it, I think I brought some
around here with me somewhere, but,

00:57:14.580 --> 00:57:16.620
uh Oh, it's in the kitchen, is it?

00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:17.250
Yeah.

00:57:17.255 --> 00:57:17.910
Yeah, we'll

00:57:18.270 --> 00:57:19.020
pick it out after.

00:57:19.050 --> 00:57:20.009
Yeah, we can add that in.

00:57:20.015 --> 00:57:22.529
But, but that's, you know, one
of the things is that's great.

00:57:22.529 --> 00:57:23.640
It's super convenient.

00:57:24.060 --> 00:57:26.130
It feels good to, you know, to.

00:57:27.450 --> 00:57:29.129
, heat that up and get that in you.

00:57:29.129 --> 00:57:30.930
And it's easy to, you
know, there's no cooking.

00:57:30.930 --> 00:57:34.560
You just pour some boiling water in there,
let the thing set, do whatever it is.

00:57:34.560 --> 00:57:35.399
Put your tent up.

00:57:35.399 --> 00:57:38.939
Well, well, you know, the it
reconstitutes and then you eat, and

00:57:38.939 --> 00:57:43.979
it's a real kind of filling, hearty,
flavorful thing to get in you mm-hmm.

00:57:43.986 --> 00:57:45.270
, but you're not really
getting the calories.

00:57:45.270 --> 00:57:51.000
So power bars and cookie bars and, and
all of those things need to keep going

00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.930
in you while you're going through mm-hmm.

00:57:53.180 --> 00:57:58.109
Um, you know, that you gotta figure
what your average person's gonna burn.

00:57:58.109 --> 00:58:00.959
You know, a man's gonna a couple
thousand calories in a day.

00:58:01.529 --> 00:58:07.290
You go and you start going up, you
know, near vertical  mountainsides,

00:58:07.410 --> 00:58:10.620
carrying 60 pounds in your back
at times, you know, all the other

00:58:11.049 --> 00:58:13.919
physical exertion and, and keeping.

00:58:14.785 --> 00:58:15.085
Right.

00:58:15.089 --> 00:58:17.725
Because you don't burn calories
when you come in and you have

00:58:17.725 --> 00:58:19.225
a beautiful fire next to you.

00:58:19.254 --> 00:58:22.825
You know, we're not burning
calories now, but just sitting

00:58:23.125 --> 00:58:24.835
glassing is burning calories.

00:58:24.955 --> 00:58:25.345
Mm-hmm.

00:58:25.346 --> 00:58:28.915
. Cause your body's trying to keep itself
warm and there is a, a degree of a

00:58:28.915 --> 00:58:32.904
climatization that you will find too if
you, if you really haven't spent, you

00:58:32.904 --> 00:58:36.895
know, my whole life has been, you know,
going from living in a house to going out

00:58:36.895 --> 00:58:41.785
there and hanging out in the outdoors for
a while, and I always feel a little cold

00:58:41.785 --> 00:58:43.855
in the first bit, but then it goes away.

00:58:43.884 --> 00:58:44.545
You get used to it.

00:58:44.634 --> 00:58:44.935
Right.

00:58:44.995 --> 00:58:49.075
And then you come home and you can't,
like, , I can't stand this way too hot.

00:58:49.134 --> 00:58:50.904
The only thing I like
is the running water.

00:58:50.964 --> 00:58:51.145
Yeah.

00:58:51.145 --> 00:58:53.245
When you get home, the hot
running water, that's good.

00:58:53.245 --> 00:58:55.315
But you know, sometimes it's just too hot.

00:58:55.319 --> 00:58:55.754
Mm-hmm.

00:58:55.754 --> 00:58:57.444
You know, and, and you struggle with that.

00:58:57.444 --> 00:59:00.444
But once you get a climatized,
why it's happening is your

00:59:00.450 --> 00:59:01.734
body's burning those calories.

00:59:01.740 --> 00:59:03.025
So you gotta, you gotta keep it up.

00:59:03.025 --> 00:59:05.904
You really gotta, you gotta pick the food.

00:59:05.904 --> 00:59:09.714
There's lots and lots of
great, uh, YouTube channels

00:59:10.565 --> 00:59:11.674
talking about that.

00:59:11.694 --> 00:59:12.055
Okay.

00:59:12.085 --> 00:59:14.004
So I got up, checked it out.

00:59:14.580 --> 00:59:18.060
Uh, calories 1010 per serving, and you

00:59:18.060 --> 00:59:19.650
will not, you know, and not ashamed.

00:59:19.650 --> 00:59:19.770
It's

00:59:20.080 --> 00:59:20.280
delicious.

00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:21.640
Delicious Dellys.

00:59:21.640 --> 00:59:22.770
Yeah, absolutely.

00:59:22.970 --> 00:59:23.320
Ds

00:59:23.325 --> 00:59:26.400
Shameless plug, because it is a
Silvercore product, but that's

00:59:26.730 --> 00:59:28.200
sure far exceeds anything.

00:59:28.200 --> 00:59:31.050
You're gonna find, uh, you
know, at, at some of the other

00:59:31.050 --> 00:59:32.340
places you might shop at.

00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:36.720
I mean, I think talking about food
would be a whole podcast on its own.

00:59:36.720 --> 00:59:39.390
And I, I'm gonna, I've got some
ideas of people that you should

00:59:39.390 --> 00:59:42.270
bring on for that, uh, that are,
you know, really got it figured.

00:59:42.270 --> 00:59:45.870
And, you know, that out's gonna
come from, you know, the, the

00:59:45.870 --> 00:59:48.000
backpackers handbook, right?

00:59:48.005 --> 00:59:48.160
Mm-hmm.

00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:50.400
, you know, those, those guys
got that stuff figured.

00:59:50.405 --> 00:59:52.830
So you wanna hunt.

00:59:52.890 --> 00:59:55.890
That's one thing you want
to hunt out of a backpack.

00:59:55.890 --> 00:59:58.710
You should talk to a backpacker and
see what the, what they do, right?

00:59:58.715 --> 00:59:59.070
Okay.

00:59:59.670 --> 00:59:59.970
All right.

00:59:59.970 --> 01:00:05.910
So we're talking about things that
would essential, uh, for redundancy.

01:00:05.910 --> 01:00:07.740
Shelter, fire starting.

01:00:08.190 --> 01:00:08.280
Mm-hmm.

01:00:08.550 --> 01:00:16.050
. Okay, now, Yeah, bring some paper and
bring some fire starting cubes for sure.

01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:19.290
But make sure that you know how to
make a fuzz stick with your knife.

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:19.470
Yep.

01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:23.370
Make sure that when your Bic lighter runs
out and alls you got is spark that you

01:00:23.375 --> 01:00:27.060
know how to, you know, that you've got
some form of tinder that will get your

01:00:27.060 --> 01:00:34.170
kindling to go, you know, uh, setting
f a fire and, you know, and processing

01:00:34.170 --> 01:00:36.450
fire wood on these trips is important.

01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:40.950
I've gone with only a bow saw, right.

01:00:41.040 --> 01:00:41.880
And an ax.

01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.220
Um, and that's going light.

01:00:44.220 --> 01:00:44.880
And you know what?

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.780
You got plenty of time on your hands,
but it is a calorie expenditure.

01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:51.390
Uh, if you've got enough
food, then that's fine.

01:00:51.390 --> 01:00:55.740
Then, then, you know, go, because a
lot of these, like silky, silky boy

01:00:55.740 --> 01:01:01.620
saws, Those things just fly through,
you know, stuff that's up to six inches

01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:05.250
and it's really not a great amount
of effort that you need to do that.

01:01:05.790 --> 01:01:10.680
Uh, but having a little, you know,
14 inch bar chain saw has gone

01:01:10.685 --> 01:01:12.810
on a lot of flying trips with us.

01:01:13.620 --> 01:01:13.770
Okay.

01:01:13.775 --> 01:01:14.220
And,

01:01:14.220 --> 01:01:15.180
uh, well, just the

01:01:15.210 --> 01:01:15.750
dog here.

01:01:15.810 --> 01:01:15.990
Yeah.

01:01:16.410 --> 01:01:17.700
He's pulling on my wire.

01:01:17.970 --> 01:01:23.100
Nope, I can't say that . The, uh, but
having a chainsaw has, has been great

01:01:23.100 --> 01:01:26.760
because in a lot of cases, you know,
that's your, you know, coming home at the

01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.420
end of it, a long days hunting is nice,
having that fire at night to keep you warm

01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:35.220
and, you know, in the social side of the
fire, but definitely redundancy and your,

01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:40.020
you know, your, your fire preparation
tools and you know, if you're gonna bring

01:01:41.370 --> 01:01:44.100
power saw, then you need an ax, you know?

01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:44.580
Mm-hmm.

01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:47.550
, because when the, you run outta gas
for the power saw, or you pinch the

01:01:47.550 --> 01:01:49.890
bar in a tree, now you've got nothing.

01:01:49.890 --> 01:01:51.420
So an ax is important.

01:01:51.425 --> 01:01:51.720
Mm-hmm.

01:01:53.070 --> 01:01:57.300
. You can use the ax to get the saw
out of the tree and all these things.

01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:57.390
Sure.

01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.580
Um, knives.

01:02:00.450 --> 01:02:01.080
Right?

01:02:01.140 --> 01:02:04.440
We all have our favorite hunting
knife, but you know, what you

01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.770
need in addition to your hunting
knife is you need a multi-tool.

01:02:08.020 --> 01:02:08.370
Mm.

01:02:08.670 --> 01:02:10.830
You'd be crazy not to
go with a multi-tool.

01:02:11.640 --> 01:02:17.100
I think the minimum though, for me
would be my hunting knife if I couldn't

01:02:17.100 --> 01:02:21.390
bring a multi tool, cuz they are
kind of heavy, but not that heavy.

01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:29.100
Uh, would also be a, a large, um, more of
a bushcraft knife than a hunting knife.

01:02:29.105 --> 01:02:29.210
Right.

01:02:29.215 --> 01:02:35.280
I mean, I still use it for, for game
preparation, but if I'm packing out from

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:41.130
a base camp or if I'm going into a spike
camp, that big knife can be a godsend.

01:02:41.370 --> 01:02:41.460
Mm-hmm.

01:02:41.700 --> 01:02:43.860
, because you can baton it
through to split wood.

01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:48.330
You can chop small, you know, wood for
processing for your firewood, so mm-hmm.

01:02:48.570 --> 01:02:51.330
, that kind of a nice, So
let's you know, ideal.

01:02:52.770 --> 01:02:55.650
And money's no object,
Chainsaw, chainsaw, fuel.

01:02:56.130 --> 01:03:01.230
Um, if weight is a concern, then a good
quality, like a Silky boy style saw

01:03:01.530 --> 01:03:05.310
or one of the other folding type buck
saws, those can, and I don't mean made

01:03:05.315 --> 01:03:08.910
by buck, but, uh, that, and then the
other thing about those saws too is

01:03:08.910 --> 01:03:10.440
you're gonna have to process your game.

01:03:10.445 --> 01:03:10.550
Mm-hmm.

01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.390
, the saw is gonna be very handy.

01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.490
Uh, and ax, uh, probably like
a forest ax size, you know?

01:03:17.490 --> 01:03:18.270
Mm-hmm.

01:03:18.276 --> 01:03:21.000
. Um, you don't really need a
giant heavy splitting mall cuz

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.650
it's a lot of weight to pack in.

01:03:22.980 --> 01:03:26.190
But that forest ax you can
process, you know, six inch

01:03:26.195 --> 01:03:28.860
rounds no problem by splitting it.

01:03:29.190 --> 01:03:33.270
Uh, you can use it for cracking pelvis,
you can use it, you know, for, uh,

01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:38.820
opening up the sternum, all those
sorts of things so that, that acts no.

01:03:40.245 --> 01:03:40.905
Ax.

01:03:40.905 --> 01:03:41.115
Yeah.

01:03:41.955 --> 01:03:42.825
Big knife.

01:03:43.185 --> 01:03:46.305
You're probably okay if that's how
you're gonna wanna look on a minimalist

01:03:46.305 --> 01:03:46.755
approach.

01:03:46.785 --> 01:03:50.325
You know, I generally always have
a little ax, whether it be a little

01:03:50.325 --> 01:03:52.425
Gerber or I think so makes wine.

01:03:52.425 --> 01:03:55.575
But they're, they're lightweight, they're
small, they're sharp, they're durable.

01:03:56.025 --> 01:04:01.985
And I've got one of my vehicle, if
I'm going out and I'm doing a, um, a

01:04:02.185 --> 01:04:05.895
backpack hunt, a truck hunt, a fly-in
hunt, I've always got in one of little

01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:07.995
pockets in my pack, a little, little ax.

01:04:07.995 --> 01:04:09.015
Cause it's amazing.

01:04:09.285 --> 01:04:10.455
Your tent pole goes down.

01:04:10.515 --> 01:04:13.365
If you can set something
up, you chop something down.

01:04:13.455 --> 01:04:16.215
Uh, you're out on my, my side-by-side.

01:04:16.215 --> 01:04:18.105
I've got a little ax in
the glove compartment.

01:04:18.589 --> 01:04:23.490
Uh, it takes a while, but you can actually
take care of some pretty big obstacles.

01:04:23.495 --> 01:04:28.109
Yeah, no, I like, I get my halto force,
you know, and that's razor sharp.

01:04:28.230 --> 01:04:28.440
Yeah.

01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:32.430
It's not a great ax for splitting
or anything else, but it will split.

01:04:32.520 --> 01:04:34.560
Yeah, I can certainly clear brush with it.

01:04:34.565 --> 01:04:37.740
I can process firewood, I can,
you know, do anything else.

01:04:37.740 --> 01:04:40.379
And I just love that ax to,
to bits, you know, that's,

01:04:40.379 --> 01:04:42.240
it's, uh, it's always with me.

01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:45.089
It's always on my, if, if I'm
not, uh, using a pack board's,

01:04:45.089 --> 01:04:46.710
always on my day pack, always.

01:04:47.160 --> 01:04:51.870
And, uh, on the opposite side of my rifle,
rifle goes here, Handle of the ax is by

01:04:51.870 --> 01:04:53.490
my ear over here, but it's always there.

01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:54.089
So, for

01:04:54.095 --> 01:04:57.540
sleeping, are you a, uh, a
down or synthetic type person?

01:04:57.540 --> 01:04:58.410
Synthetic, yeah.

01:04:58.680 --> 01:04:58.980
Yeah.

01:04:59.490 --> 01:04:59.980
You know,

01:05:02.475 --> 01:05:05.354
. 
Down is lightweight, it's compressible,
it's got all these great things, it's

01:05:05.354 --> 01:05:06.615
warm, you know, all this thing.

01:05:06.615 --> 01:05:09.825
But boy, when you're wet,
you're, it's toast Arora, man.

01:05:09.854 --> 01:05:10.064
Yeah.

01:05:10.365 --> 01:05:15.555
And you are invariably either going
to, you know, get wet from frost or

01:05:15.555 --> 01:05:18.734
you're gonna get wet from just, you
know, condensation within the tent.

01:05:18.825 --> 01:05:19.214
Yes.

01:05:19.274 --> 01:05:23.384
All this is, now we have this
vision of going up north and you

01:05:23.384 --> 01:05:25.424
know, it's gonna be super cold.

01:05:25.915 --> 01:05:26.035
Hmm.

01:05:26.084 --> 01:05:31.515
Most of the times, if you're in that, you
know, even in the Northern Rockies, uh,

01:05:31.515 --> 01:05:37.154
up in the Cassius on the lakes, Okay, I'm
not talking at, you know, top elevation.

01:05:37.154 --> 01:05:40.935
But, you know, we've seen temperature
fluctuations from, like I say, 90

01:05:40.935 --> 01:05:44.805
degrees during the day, which is a
real anomaly, but most of the time it

01:05:44.805 --> 01:05:51.884
runs around four to six degrees Celsius
during the day and gets down to minus.

01:05:52.589 --> 01:05:55.149
10 minus 12 sometimes at night.

01:05:55.149 --> 01:05:55.549
Right.

01:05:56.040 --> 01:06:01.109
So, you know the need for a huge,
you know, Trapper Nelson type, uh,

01:06:01.379 --> 01:06:03.029
you know those old pioneer bags?

01:06:03.089 --> 01:06:03.419
Yeah, sure.

01:06:03.419 --> 01:06:05.370
They'd be nice cuz you just
throw 'em on the ground.

01:06:05.520 --> 01:06:05.700
Yeah.

01:06:05.730 --> 01:06:07.290
But you don't really need it.

01:06:07.620 --> 01:06:11.759
A good synthetic bag, even though
it may not be as, as compressible.

01:06:13.770 --> 01:06:14.940
You're gonna be warm and warm.

01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:15.120
Yeah.

01:06:15.430 --> 01:06:19.590
You know, I got this crazy,
these thin light bags I, I got

01:06:19.590 --> 01:06:21.660
years ago, and I still use them.

01:06:21.660 --> 01:06:25.770
They're mummy bags and man, they
work really well and they are

01:06:25.770 --> 01:06:27.180
tiny when they're packed up.

01:06:27.390 --> 01:06:27.480
Mm-hmm.

01:06:27.720 --> 01:06:29.100
. But they, you know,
they will take you down.

01:06:29.100 --> 01:06:32.130
So again, you want to trade off.

01:06:32.580 --> 01:06:36.030
It's all about backpacking again, What
do the backpackers say and talk to them.

01:06:36.660 --> 01:06:39.900
But if you want to get a, you know,
a small bag, and then what you do

01:06:39.900 --> 01:06:42.090
is you wear your layers underneath.

01:06:42.095 --> 01:06:44.970
You're gonna wear clothing, a
beanie, uh, you know, keep your

01:06:44.970 --> 01:06:46.410
socks on when you go to bed

01:06:46.415 --> 01:06:49.440
and stuff, and, and the
clothing system that you use.

01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.620
You're gonna want to have a hard shell
so that you're able to be waterproof.

01:06:52.980 --> 01:06:56.190
You're gonna want to have water,
windproof water and windproof.

01:06:56.250 --> 01:06:57.810
You're gonna want to
have an insulating layer.

01:06:57.810 --> 01:06:59.490
You're gonna want to have
some wicking layer under.

01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:02.820
And it's one of these places where
you can cut a lot of weight because

01:07:02.820 --> 01:07:06.300
you're probably gonna be wearing
basically the same thing all the time.

01:07:06.330 --> 01:07:10.440
It's not like in, in your built up
areas where you're from, where gonna be

01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:14.970
changing something, clothes, you know,
do, do take up a ton of room and wait.

01:07:15.120 --> 01:07:18.600
We've often though, you know, reward
yourself about halfway through the

01:07:18.600 --> 01:07:22.710
trip by having a, you know, clean,
boiling up a lot of water, and, you

01:07:22.710 --> 01:07:24.390
know, changing out your underwear.

01:07:24.509 --> 01:07:24.660
Yeah.

01:07:24.660 --> 01:07:27.600
And maybe your, you know,
your, your mid-layer, right?

01:07:27.930 --> 01:07:27.990
Yeah.

01:07:28.020 --> 01:07:33.029
But most of the time now, I would stay
away from traditional style clothing,

01:07:33.029 --> 01:07:34.710
like a button up shirt with a collar.

01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:34.890
Mm-hmm.

01:07:35.130 --> 01:07:39.060
, everything you should be wearing, you
know, should be super thin next to your

01:07:39.060 --> 01:07:43.680
body, wicking, then your mid layer, then
you start maybe getting an insulating

01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:49.350
layer of either, you know, Marino
wool or, or some of these finer down

01:07:49.355 --> 01:07:51.060
products, you know, or synthetic down.

01:07:52.860 --> 01:07:53.820
That would be good.

01:07:54.030 --> 01:07:57.900
Um, but by all means, having
that ability to get the shell on.

01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:01.170
So if you know that when you've
got every piece of clothing on,

01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:03.060
you're good for minus 20 mm.

01:08:03.210 --> 01:08:06.480
Uh, but you can also vary what you
have in those layers back forth.

01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:11.160
, we always talk about the importance
of breaking in that clothing

01:08:11.160 --> 01:08:12.390
as well and trying it out.

01:08:12.930 --> 01:08:17.880
You know, you don't want to head out
there, uh, and not know, and that goes

01:08:17.885 --> 01:08:19.740
back to some of our other lessons on that.

01:08:19.740 --> 01:08:24.210
But your, your packing trip like
this may require a little bit more

01:08:24.210 --> 01:08:28.020
specialized clothing, but nonetheless,
the most important thing I always

01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:32.550
say is at night when it's bedtime,
you don't go to bed in the clothes

01:08:32.550 --> 01:08:34.530
that you're, you wore all day, right?

01:08:34.740 --> 01:08:36.870
You gotta go to bed in dry clothes.

01:08:36.870 --> 01:08:40.440
So even if you're switching out, you get
up in the morning, it's awful cold to get

01:08:40.440 --> 01:08:44.640
naked and get into those slightly damn
clothes that you sweat in the day before.

01:08:45.129 --> 01:08:47.709
Keep that sleeping stuff dry.

01:08:47.830 --> 01:08:47.979
Mm-hmm.

01:08:48.790 --> 01:08:51.309
and I, you know, even the beanie
and everything else that'll,

01:08:51.549 --> 01:08:52.629
that'll make for a huge issue.

01:08:52.660 --> 01:08:54.939
And can we actually just
one step back on the, Yeah.

01:08:54.969 --> 01:08:58.419
On the sleeping side of things,
super important to keep some form of

01:08:58.419 --> 01:09:00.099
insulation between you and the ground.

01:09:00.099 --> 01:09:00.819
You have to have it.

01:09:00.825 --> 01:09:04.839
So all of these new inflatable mats
that are out there from climate and

01:09:04.839 --> 01:09:08.559
thermal rest and, and the like, that,
uh, you know, they have that ability

01:09:08.559 --> 01:09:12.939
to give you that r value between
the ground and your sleeping bag.

01:09:12.939 --> 01:09:16.389
Cause remember, you know, as soon
as you're in your sleeping bag,

01:09:16.389 --> 01:09:19.870
you've taken away all the insulating
value as your body crushes it down.

01:09:19.929 --> 01:09:20.019
Yeah.

01:09:20.019 --> 01:09:20.290
Right.

01:09:20.679 --> 01:09:22.839
So that's the, the importance of the pad.

01:09:24.269 --> 01:09:28.710
Air mattresses seen so many guys, you
know, bring a nice, big thick, you

01:09:28.710 --> 01:09:32.790
know, air bad in, say I'm tired of
sleeping so close to the ground, I could

01:09:32.790 --> 01:09:34.290
be covered, and they freeze to death.

01:09:34.350 --> 01:09:34.710
Mm-hmm.

01:09:35.310 --> 01:09:41.490
. So, um, if you need it, you know, you can
buy, I have Climate has an awesome thick

01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:47.760
mattress, which only folds up to about
that because not too big, but once it's

01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:52.649
inflated, it, it really gives you, uh,
you know, a lot of cushioning, but also

01:09:52.649 --> 01:09:57.210
a lot of insulation value because inside
now by the feet it's just air chambers.

01:09:57.269 --> 01:09:57.360
Mm-hmm.

01:09:57.660 --> 01:10:00.750
, but up where your body is, it's
got, you know, uh, foam, like

01:10:00.755 --> 01:10:03.540
a, a high, uh, low density foam.

01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:06.450
Of course that's, you know, your
body's able to heat that up.

01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:10.830
So those inflatable mattresses,
in my opinion are, are a godsend.

01:10:10.950 --> 01:10:13.860
I mean, I'm a side sleeper and
I need to slide sleep, otherwise

01:10:13.860 --> 01:10:15.420
I'm not gonna have a good sleep.

01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:17.190
I'll be snoring all night long.

01:10:17.220 --> 01:10:17.430
Yeah.

01:10:17.970 --> 01:10:20.250
Um, those inflatable thick ones are great.

01:10:21.165 --> 01:10:24.135
, putting something down between
that inflatable thick layer, even

01:10:24.135 --> 01:10:26.865
if it's just a bit of a tarp or
something a little, Keep it from

01:10:26.865 --> 01:10:29.085
getting from abrasions or from pops.

01:10:29.115 --> 01:10:29.175
Yeah.

01:10:29.175 --> 01:10:33.075
And bringing an emergency
patch kit are so needed.

01:10:33.105 --> 01:10:33.285
Yeah.

01:10:33.535 --> 01:10:33.735
Yeah.

01:10:33.740 --> 01:10:37.725
Well, that's again, in your, you know,
being prepared for any emergency.

01:10:37.730 --> 01:10:40.935
So how will this piece of kit fail me?

01:10:41.085 --> 01:10:41.235
Mm-hmm.

01:10:42.165 --> 01:10:47.115
. So if it, you know, a catastrophic failure
means you've gotta go to plan B, which

01:10:47.115 --> 01:10:51.555
is now head off and get a whole bunch
of hemlock bows and, and put those down

01:10:51.555 --> 01:10:52.845
to, to cushion you from the ground.

01:10:52.875 --> 01:10:52.965
Mm-hmm.

01:10:53.210 --> 01:10:56.205
, because they will cushion you and more
importantly, they will insulate you.

01:10:56.205 --> 01:10:56.295
Mm-hmm.

01:10:56.535 --> 01:10:59.655
, and, you know, and, and if it gets
down to where you're, that's what

01:10:59.655 --> 01:11:02.775
you're gonna do, or if that's your
plan right from the beginning, you

01:11:02.775 --> 01:11:04.335
should practice that an awful lot.

01:11:04.394 --> 01:11:04.485
Mm-hmm.

01:11:04.730 --> 01:11:08.625
before you get up there and, and, and, no,
you know, there's hemlock in the north,

01:11:08.625 --> 01:11:12.975
but most of it's, you know, Spruce and
spruce isn't quite as nice to lay on as,

01:11:13.245 --> 01:11:15.705
as hemlock, you know, and, and, and so on.

01:11:16.785 --> 01:11:19.410
Um, What can go wrong?

01:11:20.010 --> 01:11:22.440
Some people get these cots as well.

01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:22.920
Mm-hmm.

01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.510
, and again, with a cot, you're, it's
getting that r value between the

01:11:27.570 --> 01:11:31.680
cold air space, between the ground
and the cot and your sleeping bag.

01:11:31.860 --> 01:11:33.450
So you still need the air mattress.

01:11:33.660 --> 01:11:37.980
I don't know whether the cot on
its own is, is the greatest idea.

01:11:38.160 --> 01:11:41.610
You know, it's certainly for comfort,
for side sleeper it would be good, but

01:11:41.610 --> 01:11:44.490
still having that, you know, thermos
climate pad or whatever in there.

01:11:44.730 --> 01:11:45.210
There is

01:11:45.210 --> 01:11:48.270
another thing that people might want to
think about depending on the area that

01:11:48.275 --> 01:11:51.690
they're going to, is predatory protection.

01:11:51.695 --> 01:11:55.350
So I bring a, an electric
fence, super lightweight.

01:11:55.355 --> 01:11:58.500
There's a company in Alaska that makes
these things, Yeah, nine volt battery.

01:11:58.800 --> 01:11:59.250
Yeah.

01:11:59.250 --> 01:12:02.560
I think this is on double
A's and it's, Yeah.

01:12:02.620 --> 01:12:05.970
But yeah, it's, it's a series of them,
so it's probably same kind of voltage

01:12:06.030 --> 01:12:12.270
and it beeps, you get a little bit of a,
Beep e every so often, and that's a nice

01:12:12.270 --> 01:12:15.810
comforting beep as you're going to sleep,
that you know that the thing's working.

01:12:16.110 --> 01:12:19.050
If you stop hearing that beep,
you realize time to change those

01:12:19.050 --> 01:12:19.740
batteries.

01:12:20.190 --> 01:12:22.140
I have not invested one of those.

01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:23.220
I do recommend them.

01:12:23.220 --> 01:12:24.360
I think it's a great idea.

01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:29.430
Uh, what we've done is just, there's
litter everywhere in the north, so even

01:12:29.430 --> 01:12:33.030
if you don't bring tin cans in, you can
pretty quick find, you know, a half a

01:12:33.030 --> 01:12:38.970
dozen tin cans, fishing line strung around
your camp, couple of stones in there.

01:12:38.970 --> 01:12:42.360
It's a classic early warning
system, you know, for, for

01:12:42.365 --> 01:12:43.920
predators coming around, Right?

01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.220
Yeah, predators.

01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:48.240
I guess we've gotta talk about that.

01:12:48.240 --> 01:12:48.750
Where did we go?

01:12:48.750 --> 01:12:50.070
We were talking about betting.

01:12:50.070 --> 01:12:52.020
Yes, we were talking
about layered clothing.

01:12:53.080 --> 01:12:55.890
Predators are a very real
thing and keeping a sloppy

01:12:55.890 --> 01:12:58.050
camp may not be the best idea.

01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:00.330
Watch the prevailing wind.

01:13:00.570 --> 01:13:04.785
The wind's coming from my back
blowing towards you, so, I'm where

01:13:04.785 --> 01:13:08.955
my camp is gonna be, where my
tent is going to be in my tent.

01:13:09.045 --> 01:13:11.894
No toothpaste, no feminine products.

01:13:11.894 --> 01:13:14.445
No nothing in my tent except me.

01:13:14.474 --> 01:13:16.755
My sleeping gear and my clothing.

01:13:16.815 --> 01:13:17.054
Mm-hmm.

01:13:17.985 --> 01:13:22.365
, my cooking area, it moves as we
go, you know, we follow the wind.

01:13:22.424 --> 01:13:25.695
So if a predator's following
the wind backwards, he's gonna

01:13:25.695 --> 01:13:26.924
encounter all these other things.

01:13:26.924 --> 01:13:29.894
I'm gonna be, you know, while
I'm sleeping in my tent, the last

01:13:29.894 --> 01:13:30.945
thing that they're gonna find.

01:13:31.094 --> 01:13:31.184
Mm-hmm.

01:13:31.514 --> 01:13:38.835
my cooking food preparation area, and fire
my food cash minimum 16 feet in the air.

01:13:38.894 --> 01:13:39.075
Mm-hmm.

01:13:39.644 --> 01:13:44.025
, what's really wild when you go up
to the north, um, you're not gonna

01:13:44.025 --> 01:13:47.594
end up in being the first person
that's ever camped in that place.

01:13:47.594 --> 01:13:51.285
On a lake you might be when you
spike out, up onto the mountain side.

01:13:51.285 --> 01:13:51.375
Mm-hmm.

01:13:51.615 --> 01:13:55.065
, you know, nobody slept in that little,
you know, crevice that you found up there.

01:13:55.065 --> 01:13:58.665
But down on the lake side, they're
all got camps all over them.

01:13:59.305 --> 01:13:59.425
Hmm.

01:13:59.430 --> 01:14:02.894
And often what's happened is if you're
hunting in one of the Northern Parks

01:14:03.265 --> 01:14:07.965
BC parks, they have gone in their
personnel and put, uh, cable up in

01:14:08.225 --> 01:14:11.745
the trees and put a piece of conduit,
plastic conduit over the cable.

01:14:11.745 --> 01:14:15.315
So you get your rope over there and
you can use it like a hoist to get

01:14:15.315 --> 01:14:16.845
your stuff well up off the ground.

01:14:16.965 --> 01:14:17.205
Mm-hmm.

01:14:17.655 --> 01:14:19.095
, you'd be a fool not to do that.

01:14:19.545 --> 01:14:20.355
A hundred percent agree.

01:14:20.355 --> 01:14:21.375
You'd be a fool not to do that.

01:14:21.825 --> 01:14:27.465
Your game pull again, as high as you
can make it, you know, you use a little

01:14:27.465 --> 01:14:31.515
bit of ingenuity to figure out, uh, you
know, how to build a ladder, bushcraft

01:14:31.519 --> 01:14:35.505
ladder to get up there, but that get
that game pull up and often the game that

01:14:35.505 --> 01:14:39.585
you deal with in those circumstances,
you're gonna have bone out anyways.

01:14:39.665 --> 01:14:39.785
Mm-hmm.

01:14:39.865 --> 01:14:42.644
. So it's not like hauling a a
quarter of moose way up in the air.

01:14:42.644 --> 01:14:47.475
You're going to, you know, have a, a
game bag full of meat, uh, which again,

01:14:47.480 --> 01:14:52.425
two of you or some even a little pulley,
like to go with these block and tackles.

01:14:53.010 --> 01:14:55.710
. If you're going heavy camping, if
you're going in, you know, with, you

01:14:55.710 --> 01:14:57.720
know, money to burn, that's fine.

01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.610
Maybe you want to bring a
real block and tackling.

01:14:59.610 --> 01:15:03.480
But in a lot of cases, you know, your
five 50 para court is what you're, you're

01:15:03.480 --> 01:15:09.000
gonna pull your game, meet up there with
So an adequate pulley to put through that.

01:15:09.005 --> 01:15:12.420
Or if you're lucky enough to find
one of these camps that have the, the

01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:17.610
conduit, uh, system, it's excellent and
not too close to the trees because we

01:15:17.610 --> 01:15:21.630
always think about grizzly bears, but
the north of bounds with black bears.

01:15:21.630 --> 01:15:21.750
Mm-hmm.

01:15:21.990 --> 01:15:24.300
. And they can climb trees
like nobody's business.

01:15:24.540 --> 01:15:30.300
So tell me, um, I keep a tiny little
Garmin, uh, I think they call it a temp,

01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:34.020
e n p e, but it's, it communicates with
my watch, it tells me what the temperature

01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:37.230
is outside based on my pack as opposed
to the temperature for my wrist, which

01:15:37.230 --> 01:15:41.370
is gonna be throwing it off a little bit
so I can kind of keep an eye on a food

01:15:41.370 --> 01:15:44.580
safe range for any meat that I down.

01:15:45.390 --> 01:15:46.980
You find yourself out there.

01:15:47.384 --> 01:15:49.964
And it's a balmy hot day.

01:15:50.474 --> 01:15:51.795
What are you doing with your meat?

01:15:52.094 --> 01:15:56.535
Oh, that's a great question cuz that
has, has happened more than once.

01:15:56.535 --> 01:16:01.514
Now I'm going to proudly brag that the
only meat we ever lost once was a moose

01:16:01.514 --> 01:16:03.884
that we'd, uh, dropped in the evening.

01:16:04.335 --> 01:16:08.025
And when we got back to it the next day
that the grizzly had on, I mean, we packed

01:16:08.025 --> 01:16:10.455
out what we could in the initial go.

01:16:10.575 --> 01:16:14.985
Uh, we took out the tenderloins
backstraps and I think, uh, a

01:16:14.985 --> 01:16:16.754
portion of one of the HD quarters.

01:16:16.754 --> 01:16:19.365
But uh, that was it on the first leavings.

01:16:19.394 --> 01:16:20.655
When we came back, the rest was gone.

01:16:21.195 --> 01:16:22.634
So that's a loss of meat.

01:16:22.639 --> 01:16:25.455
But to spoilage, we've been very lucky.

01:16:26.054 --> 01:16:29.054
Uh, I find that as long as
the temperature sort of stays,

01:16:29.655 --> 01:16:31.455
About eight degrees or below.

01:16:31.545 --> 01:16:32.535
It's not a concern.

01:16:32.684 --> 01:16:35.115
It can just hang there and,
and it's, and it's good.

01:16:35.804 --> 01:16:40.184
We try and find a good shady
place always for our game pole.

01:16:40.665 --> 01:16:46.455
And if you can get kind of close to the
lake again so that, you know, not only

01:16:46.460 --> 01:16:49.815
we're talking about prevailing wins from
camp and, and you know, just predator

01:16:49.875 --> 01:16:53.684
protection, but if you can get it down
there where the air is moving over it as

01:16:53.684 --> 01:16:57.495
well, that, um, Oh, what's the correction?

01:16:57.495 --> 01:17:01.425
It's not condensation, but the,
uh, evaporative effect Right.

01:17:01.425 --> 01:17:02.715
Can also help to cool the meat.

01:17:02.875 --> 01:17:03.035
Right?

01:17:03.035 --> 01:17:07.005
As, as the meat dries it, it
actually kind of cools from

01:17:07.005 --> 01:17:08.985
the right evaporative effect.

01:17:09.225 --> 01:17:11.055
So those are the, the right things to do.

01:17:11.060 --> 01:17:14.385
And we should all know that, you know, we
should know how to hang meat from just,

01:17:14.475 --> 01:17:20.385
you know, our, our hunting experiences in
the past, however, we have really got a

01:17:20.385 --> 01:17:24.255
spike in temperature, uh, getting to the
meat where it starts to lose its crust.

01:17:24.615 --> 01:17:30.115
What we've done is taken totes and
put totes into the lake, putting,

01:17:30.315 --> 01:17:33.135
you know, rocks in the bottom of the
tote, plus the weight to the meat.

01:17:33.135 --> 01:17:36.855
But putting the tote in, uh, putting
the, the lid back on the tote,

01:17:36.915 --> 01:17:40.815
covering it up with branches so it's
shaded and the coolness of the lake.

01:17:40.815 --> 01:17:44.595
Cuz I'm telling you, those
lakes up there are cold old.

01:17:44.745 --> 01:17:45.915
Yeah, they're all the time.

01:17:45.945 --> 01:17:48.765
There's, there's, you know, the
odd time I've taken a dip in

01:17:48.770 --> 01:17:50.145
there to try and get cleaned off.

01:17:50.355 --> 01:17:51.405
They are cold.

01:17:51.465 --> 01:17:51.795
Right.

01:17:51.915 --> 01:17:52.215
Cold.

01:17:52.905 --> 01:17:54.705
Which kind of brings another point too.

01:17:55.155 --> 01:18:00.375
Um, Be very careful on any of
these trips because again, help.

01:18:01.425 --> 01:18:03.375
Outweighs away couple hours at best.

01:18:03.375 --> 01:18:05.445
You know, even when you're
communicator and something

01:18:05.445 --> 01:18:06.795
stupid is that, you know what?

01:18:06.855 --> 01:18:09.495
That cold shock that you can
get from jumping into a lake.

01:18:09.525 --> 01:18:10.005
Yes.

01:18:10.245 --> 01:18:11.565
You know, it's a very real thing.

01:18:11.684 --> 01:18:11.835
Yeah.

01:18:11.865 --> 01:18:12.735
You don't wanna do that.

01:18:12.735 --> 01:18:13.995
You don't wanna risk anything.

01:18:14.025 --> 01:18:14.115
Mm-hmm.

01:18:14.355 --> 01:18:17.595
, if, if, you know, if you're gonna
cross water and there's like a big

01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:21.195
slimy pole there that you think,
well, I'll just, you know, walk across

01:18:21.195 --> 01:18:23.894
like the Great Will Enda or something
like that, that's not a good idea.

01:18:23.894 --> 01:18:26.565
You can slip, break a leg,
do all sorts of things.

01:18:26.565 --> 01:18:32.205
So stripping down with your Crocs,
waiting across, using, you know,

01:18:32.505 --> 01:18:36.375
walking sticks or another thing
that are always helpful on those.

01:18:36.375 --> 01:18:36.705
Mm-hmm.

01:18:37.605 --> 01:18:38.985
, um, extra caution.

01:18:39.375 --> 01:18:39.765
Yeah.

01:18:39.825 --> 01:18:41.144
Don't take risks, you know?

01:18:41.565 --> 01:18:43.485
Uh, Yeah.

01:18:43.515 --> 01:18:47.985
Don't take risks because you jeopardize
everybody else that's on the trip as well.

01:18:47.985 --> 01:18:48.265
Mm-hmm.

01:18:48.345 --> 01:18:51.945
, because if you do something that now
they have to rescue you or you have to

01:18:51.945 --> 01:18:56.415
be evacuated or treated or, or something
of that nature, you, everybody else has

01:18:56.415 --> 01:18:58.065
gotta risk themselves to help you out.

01:18:58.070 --> 01:18:58.305
Mm-hmm.

01:19:00.660 --> 01:19:03.660
. I mean, we still haven't ki you
know, we are gonna have to do a

01:19:03.660 --> 01:19:06.840
session too, where we're gonna have
to do like a gear load out almost.

01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:09.570
Maybe that's what we're gonna
have to, to try and talk about.

01:19:09.930 --> 01:19:18.060
But again, keep in mind on these things,
um, to keep your equipment, uh, redundant

01:19:18.230 --> 01:19:23.880
that you've got a, a backup plan for
every single piece of equipment you have.

01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.310
Say, if that thing fails,
what have I got to back it up?

01:19:27.030 --> 01:19:29.820
And usually, you know, you're
pretty safe with one backup.

01:19:29.850 --> 01:19:30.200
Mm.

01:19:30.510 --> 01:19:35.880
Uh, I always say, and, uh, you
know, so that's, be prepared.

01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:38.100
Be a good boy scout if
you're gonna do this.

01:19:38.190 --> 01:19:40.710
Consider all the, the ins and outs of it.

01:19:41.850 --> 01:19:47.700
Um, another thing always comes up, Well,
what's the right caliber for this stuff?

01:19:47.700 --> 01:19:51.630
Well, we talked a lot about, we did
caliber selection and everything else.

01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.580
If I were to say now on one of
these northern hunts, I would

01:19:56.580 --> 01:19:58.080
probably offer for more horse.

01:19:59.055 --> 01:19:59.355
Hmm.

01:19:59.385 --> 01:20:03.855
You know, the, the, the 6.5
CREEDMORE craze is there,

01:20:03.855 --> 01:20:05.985
the 6.5 PRC great cartridges.

01:20:05.985 --> 01:20:06.285
Sure.

01:20:06.585 --> 01:20:09.075
We talked about, you know, the
effectiveness based on their section loan.

01:20:09.495 --> 01:20:10.515
I want some horsepower.

01:20:10.515 --> 01:20:12.435
I'd be going the 300 PRC

01:20:12.435 --> 01:20:12.945
that you got there.

01:20:12.950 --> 01:20:13.455
Well, yeah,

01:20:14.325 --> 01:20:17.475
, 
uh, but I mean, nothing's, you
know, that's a heavy, that's

01:20:17.475 --> 01:20:19.005
a heavy rifle to carry around.

01:20:19.245 --> 01:20:22.455
It does what it's supposed to
do and it does it very well.

01:20:22.725 --> 01:20:27.915
But I'd be, I'd be kind of inclined
to be looking at, uh, a 300

01:20:27.915 --> 01:20:29.685
wind mag or something like that.

01:20:29.865 --> 01:20:30.165
Right.

01:20:30.225 --> 01:20:37.125
Uh, 300 short mag, either seven millimeter
or 30 caliber, uh, that, you know,

01:20:37.125 --> 01:20:43.485
that's, that's got some, some set down
power because knock on wood, and as

01:20:43.485 --> 01:20:45.045
you're putting wood in the fireplace.

01:20:45.105 --> 01:20:45.555
Yes.

01:20:45.615 --> 01:20:50.205
Um, we never, uh, have
actually had to shoot a grizzly

01:20:50.205 --> 01:20:51.345
bear on any of these trips.

01:20:51.345 --> 01:20:52.365
We've seen plenty.

01:20:52.485 --> 01:20:52.785
Right.

01:20:52.965 --> 01:20:53.675
Uh, and.

01:20:56.310 --> 01:20:58.440
You want to have an
effective firearm for that.

01:20:59.100 --> 01:20:59.340
Right.

01:20:59.970 --> 01:21:03.990
A lot of times we talk about, you know,
we always bring a, a shotgun for camp.

01:21:03.990 --> 01:21:06.990
Now we are talking about
a small game getter.

01:21:06.990 --> 01:21:07.230
Yeah.

01:21:07.235 --> 01:21:10.710
If you bring a, a shotgun along,
then some seven and a half shot buck

01:21:10.715 --> 01:21:16.590
shot, uh, and you know, for whatever
predators and slugs, of course for bears,

01:21:17.595 --> 01:21:20.415
Having a light on that
shotgun is pretty handy.

01:21:20.695 --> 01:21:21.115
Yes.

01:21:21.115 --> 01:21:21.394
Yeah.

01:21:21.400 --> 01:21:29.565
Uh, we have gone out for recovering game
in absolute pitch dark and a headlamp and

01:21:29.565 --> 01:21:35.085
a scoped rifle is about as useless as,
pardon my language, it tits on a Turkey.

01:21:35.144 --> 01:21:35.565
Right?

01:21:35.655 --> 01:21:38.565
Uh, there is, that is
not gonna work for you.

01:21:38.595 --> 01:21:42.195
You need to, you know, your headlamp of
course for navigation, but you need a

01:21:42.195 --> 01:21:44.355
lighted, uh, for end on that firearm.

01:21:44.355 --> 01:21:45.405
Mm-hmm.

01:21:45.411 --> 01:21:50.445
. So, you know, even if you, you know,
the, like, it would be nice, your

01:21:50.445 --> 01:21:54.555
backup firearm if you want to take a
third firearm or whatever, in case a

01:21:54.555 --> 01:21:58.245
rifle breaks something like a 45 70
with a little short picketing rail

01:21:58.245 --> 01:22:00.705
to put a light on, that'll be a help.

01:22:00.974 --> 01:22:01.785
You know, that'll be a

01:22:01.785 --> 01:22:02.055
help.

01:22:02.535 --> 01:22:03.405
What about water?

01:22:03.555 --> 01:22:05.865
So everyone's got their
different ideas on water.

01:22:05.865 --> 01:22:07.184
I think this would be a good one to chat.

01:22:08.685 --> 01:22:11.325
First couple of trips
we're filter and air water.

01:22:11.835 --> 01:22:11.955
Hmm.

01:22:12.405 --> 01:22:17.895
If you're on a glacier lake that, you
know, sort of milky, milky blue, can't see

01:22:17.895 --> 01:22:20.745
through the filter just plugs right up.

01:22:20.745 --> 01:22:20.805
Yeah.

01:22:21.165 --> 01:22:28.365
And what we found was, uh, a group
of five on that one trip, two guys

01:22:28.365 --> 01:22:31.695
got really bad diarrhea and it
had to be water born, you know?

01:22:31.875 --> 01:22:32.035
Sure.

01:22:32.055 --> 01:22:35.445
And, and so the filter
gets as much as it does.

01:22:36.165 --> 01:22:41.865
We switched out, take a, you know,
and if space allows, take a food

01:22:41.865 --> 01:22:45.595
grade five gallon bucket, which
is good for your load in cause

01:22:45.595 --> 01:22:46.935
you'd put stuff in it to bring in.

01:22:47.235 --> 01:22:51.765
But you take, you fill that bucket up,
you put water treatment in there, let

01:22:51.765 --> 01:22:57.835
it settle the, all of the, you know, the
solids, all that, you know, glacier silt

01:22:57.945 --> 01:23:02.535
will settle to the bottom and you'll have
a nice, you know, safe water to drink.

01:23:02.540 --> 01:23:03.035
Mm-hmm.

01:23:04.575 --> 01:23:08.025
. If you don't like the taste of that
water purifier, then, you know,

01:23:08.025 --> 01:23:13.155
systems like, uh, well, Grail and,
uh, Katie Di and I think there's

01:23:13.160 --> 01:23:16.035
other ones where you just sort of
scoop the water, push the press down.

01:23:16.125 --> 01:23:16.305
Right.

01:23:16.305 --> 01:23:19.455
And it looks just like a regular water
bottle that tends to take that taste out.

01:23:19.455 --> 01:23:19.785
Yeah.

01:23:19.845 --> 01:23:20.135
You know?

01:23:20.265 --> 01:23:20.385
Yeah.

01:23:20.390 --> 01:23:21.045
They work well.

01:23:21.105 --> 01:23:24.495
I mean, and then your redundancy to
all this, if you were to lose your

01:23:24.495 --> 01:23:26.265
treatment, boil your water mm-hmm.

01:23:26.595 --> 01:23:27.045
boil it.

01:23:27.405 --> 01:23:27.555
Yeah.

01:23:27.615 --> 01:23:28.815
You know, to, to go through.

01:23:30.795 --> 01:23:36.555
I would, I would treat all the water
I'm gonna drink because, you know, hey,

01:23:36.555 --> 01:23:40.275
it's a pristine looking creek now, and
we've learned enough that, you know,

01:23:40.355 --> 01:23:45.075
there's a dead moose, a hundred feet
up there that you can't see smell or

01:23:45.075 --> 01:23:49.395
whatever, and he's rotting in that
creek and you start drinking, getting

01:23:49.395 --> 01:23:54.930
that bacteria or, you know, I heard a
caribou's gone by and every one of them

01:23:54.930 --> 01:23:59.190
has had a leak in that water  before
you, you drink it, it's a problem.

01:23:59.250 --> 01:24:00.060
You know it, it's

01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:02.010
a pretty simple precaution to take.

01:24:02.160 --> 01:24:02.580
Oh, totally.

01:24:02.780 --> 01:24:03.720
If you have it, bring it.

01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:06.240
It's takes up so little, so little room.

01:24:06.270 --> 01:24:06.510
Treat

01:24:06.510 --> 01:24:06.930
your water.

01:24:06.935 --> 01:24:07.060
Yeah.

01:24:07.110 --> 01:24:07.380
Yeah.

01:24:07.380 --> 01:24:11.940
And, and you know, life straw and,
you know, grail and all those other

01:24:11.940 --> 01:24:15.690
systems for filtering the water are so
much better than what they used to be.

01:24:15.690 --> 01:24:17.310
Those little, those little water

01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:17.760
pumps.

01:24:17.820 --> 01:24:18.930
The little handheld ones.

01:24:18.980 --> 01:24:19.100
Yeah.

01:24:19.100 --> 01:24:19.101
Yeah.

01:24:19.106 --> 01:24:19.830
They can be great.

01:24:19.835 --> 01:24:22.650
You find a little, maybe you can't
get your canteen or your water

01:24:22.650 --> 01:24:24.660
bottle in to scoop it up, but
you can pump it outta of there.

01:24:24.750 --> 01:24:24.960
Right.

01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:26.940
And then you put your
water purification in.

01:24:27.330 --> 01:24:27.570
Yeah.

01:24:27.810 --> 01:24:31.200
I, I've got a little, uh,
pocket bells I'll bring with me.

01:24:31.230 --> 01:24:31.350
Yeah.

01:24:31.380 --> 01:24:34.590
And I use this pocket bellows for
starting fires so you're not breathing

01:24:34.590 --> 01:24:35.970
in it in and takes up no room.

01:24:35.970 --> 01:24:37.200
I keep it in my Bino pouch.

01:24:37.740 --> 01:24:40.920
Super handy little thing, but
you pump water with it too.

01:24:40.950 --> 01:24:44.185
Well, the other thing is it works
as a straw , I mean, I've been

01:24:44.185 --> 01:24:48.505
out there and I mean, your parts
water's gone and you're in a pinch.

01:24:48.655 --> 01:24:51.235
Get it in below the
scum, layer on the top.

01:24:51.235 --> 01:24:52.555
Drink something from underneath.

01:24:52.645 --> 01:24:52.705
Yeah.

01:24:52.855 --> 01:24:54.805
So I've, I've been there, I've been lucky.

01:24:55.105 --> 01:24:59.185
I've been lucky with the, um, uh, never
having Giardia or anything like this.

01:24:59.190 --> 01:25:00.685
But why, why leave it up to

01:25:00.685 --> 01:25:01.495
luck, Right.

01:25:01.765 --> 01:25:02.275
Purify.

01:25:02.335 --> 01:25:05.335
And now we, you know, the D
word, I don't mean Dallas.

01:25:05.675 --> 01:25:05.795
Hmm.

01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.935
Uh, diarrhea are other
ailments and everything else.

01:25:09.265 --> 01:25:13.675
When you go on these trips, you should
have a good broad spectrum set of

01:25:13.675 --> 01:25:18.235
medications, you know, for headaches,
for muscle cramping, all these things.

01:25:18.240 --> 01:25:20.905
Because if you don't drink enough
water, you're gonna get muscle cramps.

01:25:20.910 --> 01:25:21.115
Yep.

01:25:21.235 --> 01:25:23.575
So it's nice to be able to
treat that so you can sleep.

01:25:23.575 --> 01:25:27.805
There's a whole host of things that'll
make that trip that much more enjoyable.

01:25:27.805 --> 01:25:32.395
But make sure you've got antidiarrhea,
stomach medicine, uh, all the

01:25:32.455 --> 01:25:37.975
differents, analgesics and, and so
on, and all that goes with a first

01:25:37.975 --> 01:25:39.555
rate, first aid kit, you know.

01:25:40.325 --> 01:25:43.775
Uh, people often think associated
to hunting are gonna be gunshot

01:25:43.780 --> 01:25:46.865
wounds, which we really know
is not, not really the truth.

01:25:47.085 --> 01:25:47.435
Uh,

01:25:47.435 --> 01:25:48.155
sprains and

01:25:48.155 --> 01:25:48.515
breaks.

01:25:50.210 --> 01:25:54.240
In sized wounds as seems to
be the worst thing that I've

01:25:54.270 --> 01:25:56.010
encountered time and time again.

01:25:56.130 --> 01:25:56.220
Sure.

01:25:56.280 --> 01:25:59.850
Because, you know, you're either
sharp hunting knives up inside

01:25:59.850 --> 01:26:02.940
the cavity of an animal, or
broken bones or things like that.

01:26:02.940 --> 01:26:05.130
So make sure you're capable of doing that.

01:26:05.490 --> 01:26:06.660
Talk to your family doctor.

01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.380
He might be the kind of person
that will give you a bit of a broad

01:26:10.380 --> 01:26:13.500
spectrum antibiotic that you can bring
along with you so that if somebody

01:26:13.500 --> 01:26:17.220
does get cut early on the trip, they
can start administering this stuff.

01:26:17.280 --> 01:26:21.630
You know, they're, they can, they
can prescribe that for you, just,

01:26:21.630 --> 01:26:25.050
you know, based on the faith that
they know you that well or whatever.

01:26:25.380 --> 01:26:25.980
And it, and it's

01:26:25.980 --> 01:26:29.730
worth a try that some buddies go
up and do Denali and their doctor

01:26:30.120 --> 01:26:31.440
prescribed them some morphine.

01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:31.890
Yeah.

01:26:32.310 --> 01:26:34.470
I don't know how many doctors
will do that, but hey, they're

01:26:34.470 --> 01:26:35.760
able to head up there and do it.

01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.740
So maybe that's a relationship they have.

01:26:37.740 --> 01:26:38.520
Yeah, exactly.

01:26:38.525 --> 01:26:40.140
And that, and it's always nice.

01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:45.060
Firefighters are great hunting partners
because they are super well trained.

01:26:45.065 --> 01:26:45.600
First aid.

01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:46.020
Yes, they are.

01:26:46.230 --> 01:26:49.440
You know, and, and having a, you
know, one of your, your hunting party

01:26:49.500 --> 01:26:50.940
being a firefighter is a good thing.

01:26:50.940 --> 01:26:54.720
There's my, as a police officer, a
shameless plug for a former police

01:26:54.725 --> 01:27:01.320
officer , um, the, uh, Oh, I was gonna say
something else about the first aid kit.

01:27:01.380 --> 01:27:02.370
It just popped outta my head.

01:27:04.530 --> 01:27:06.090
Crazy glue sutures.

01:27:06.150 --> 01:27:06.480
Oh,

01:27:07.060 --> 01:27:07.420
compression.

01:27:07.590 --> 01:27:07.800
Yeah.

01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:13.530
And, and if, if everybody could take a
first aid course before you go on one

01:27:13.530 --> 01:27:15.390
of these, it's extremely important.

01:27:15.510 --> 01:27:15.960
Sure.

01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:17.970
Very important duct tape, man.

01:27:17.970 --> 01:27:19.110
I use duct tape for everything.

01:27:19.140 --> 01:27:23.910
I, and I wrap it around my water
bottles, get good quality duct tape.

01:27:24.510 --> 01:27:27.000
And I've got someone, some water
bottles out here that have been

01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:28.410
sitting out in the rain forever.

01:27:28.410 --> 01:27:30.060
You can still peel it
off and it still sticks,

01:27:30.160 --> 01:27:30.580
Gor.

01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.580
Gorilla tape Yeah.

01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.460
Is good because you'd also
use it as a fire starter.

01:27:35.610 --> 01:27:36.060
Yes.

01:27:36.180 --> 01:27:38.610
You know, you need to, you
know, have a, a good amount.

01:27:38.610 --> 01:27:41.700
And again, just like you say, so
you know, your, your, your fire

01:27:41.700 --> 01:27:45.690
steel, your phac rod to wrap that
around, make a knob on the end of it.

01:27:45.690 --> 01:27:48.660
But do it with gorilla tape
so you can peel that off.

01:27:49.020 --> 01:27:53.970
Um, the, uh, make sure that you've got
that tape for repairing everything.

01:27:54.120 --> 01:27:58.500
Gorilla tape will often make an
airtight seal on your air mattress too.

01:27:58.500 --> 01:28:02.850
If you know the first, you know,
attempt at at seal it up works.

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:03.090
Okay.

01:28:03.300 --> 01:28:05.430
We tore the bottom out of a canoe once.

01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:06.150
Gorilla tape.

01:28:07.110 --> 01:28:07.710
Well, yeah.

01:28:07.710 --> 01:28:09.330
It was actually duct tape on that one.

01:28:09.330 --> 01:28:13.290
But what we did was we tore the
out of a fiberglass canoe, we laid

01:28:13.290 --> 01:28:15.750
a round piece of willow in there.

01:28:15.990 --> 01:28:16.080
Yep.

01:28:16.170 --> 01:28:17.640
And then we brought shoe.

01:28:18.584 --> 01:28:18.915
Okay.

01:28:18.915 --> 01:28:20.474
Which is another great product.

01:28:20.804 --> 01:28:25.754
And so we use the gorilla or the
duct tape shoe goo everything.

01:28:25.754 --> 01:28:27.974
We're able to make the,
the canoe waterproof again,

01:28:27.980 --> 01:28:29.355
which gave us the ability to

01:28:29.355 --> 01:28:32.294
get, You're going in with a lot
more kit than I'm going in with.

01:28:32.294 --> 01:28:34.214
I'm, I'm coming up to
this conclusion here.

01:28:34.219 --> 01:28:34.665
If, if,

01:28:34.669 --> 01:28:38.384
if everybody's gone a, you know, a roll of
tape, if everybody's got a little bit of

01:28:38.384 --> 01:28:40.125
shoe glue and it doesn't weigh much, Yeah.

01:28:40.304 --> 01:28:40.995
You know, it's good.

01:28:42.764 --> 01:28:45.165
Speaking of shoes and feet, man.

01:28:45.169 --> 01:28:47.565
Oh man, you've gotta have
blister remedy with you.

01:28:47.594 --> 01:28:48.434
So, Duct tape.

01:28:48.644 --> 01:28:50.294
Yeah, duct tape will actually work.

01:28:50.355 --> 01:28:53.834
Um, there's some other products that
are a little nicer, uh, that'll stay

01:28:53.834 --> 01:28:55.184
on your feet for quite a while too.

01:28:55.184 --> 01:28:57.915
There's different types of
tape, but you can't fool around.

01:28:57.915 --> 01:29:00.495
As soon as you get a hotspot on
your foot, you gotta treat it.

01:29:00.495 --> 01:29:04.105
You gotta, you gotta get
that blister prevented or,

01:29:04.105 --> 01:29:06.705
or protect, you know, That's,
uh, a very interesting.

01:29:07.485 --> 01:29:09.315
Talking about stopping and treating it.

01:29:09.735 --> 01:29:13.455
So, uh, many years back, buddy of mine
just came outta the British military.

01:29:13.455 --> 01:29:15.344
He'd done SAS selection a couple times.

01:29:15.344 --> 01:29:19.094
He's been on the podcast here in the
past, and he says, Trav, I'm, I'm gonna

01:29:19.094 --> 01:29:20.835
go do hike some of the hills around here.

01:29:20.835 --> 01:29:21.644
You want to come along?

01:29:22.815 --> 01:29:23.655
Absolutely I do.

01:29:23.714 --> 01:29:24.014
Right?

01:29:24.019 --> 01:29:25.605
So I go on out there.

01:29:26.025 --> 01:29:27.285
Geez, what boots should I use?

01:29:27.745 --> 01:29:29.294
Everyone's raving about these Dan boots.

01:29:29.355 --> 01:29:30.974
Totally inappropriate boot for me.

01:29:30.974 --> 01:29:32.775
And Boots are such a personal thing.

01:29:32.955 --> 01:29:34.815
You can never say, this
is the best boot to get.

01:29:34.815 --> 01:29:36.974
People have to try it out and
figure it out for themselves.

01:29:37.304 --> 01:29:41.474
Anyways, I, I'm going out there and,
uh, there's another fellow with us as

01:29:41.480 --> 01:29:46.094
well, or hiking up the mountain side and
he's getting some hot spots on his feet.

01:29:46.094 --> 01:29:49.964
And man, I'd had hot spots for
quite some time already, but

01:29:49.964 --> 01:29:51.105
I can't say nothing, right?

01:29:51.105 --> 01:29:53.865
This guy just got outta the British
military done SAS selection.

01:29:53.865 --> 01:29:56.115
I'm keeping him mouth shut,
plugging along lets to our thing.

01:29:56.474 --> 01:29:58.544
I don't want to be looking
like a wuss on this.

01:29:59.625 --> 01:30:02.504
The other guy says, Oh, you know,
my feet are kind of bothering me.

01:30:02.504 --> 01:30:03.615
And he's like, Stop.

01:30:04.200 --> 01:30:06.509
Sit down, take off your
boots, address 'em.

01:30:06.509 --> 01:30:08.549
He says, Okay, administrate yourself.

01:30:08.580 --> 01:30:08.969
Okay.

01:30:08.969 --> 01:30:12.059
So he is doing his thing and I'm
looking and Oh, maybe I should

01:30:12.059 --> 01:30:15.570
do the same thing going up the
mountain guys kind of shivering.

01:30:15.570 --> 01:30:16.980
It's like, Hold on, stop.

01:30:17.469 --> 01:30:19.860
Get, get your uh, get your jacket on.

01:30:19.860 --> 01:30:20.400
Warm up.

01:30:20.400 --> 01:30:20.700
Right?

01:30:21.389 --> 01:30:26.370
And it was a very different mindset than
how I was raised and what I was used to.

01:30:26.639 --> 01:30:29.040
I was always raised and used to be tough.

01:30:29.099 --> 01:30:30.360
Keep going, don't complain.

01:30:30.389 --> 01:30:30.719
Right?

01:30:30.719 --> 01:30:32.250
And we can power through this.

01:30:32.254 --> 01:30:35.669
There'll be a deadline or a finish
line, and then you can warm up

01:30:35.669 --> 01:30:37.110
and nurse your wounds afterwards.

01:30:37.620 --> 01:30:40.230
This guy goes on and on and on.

01:30:40.379 --> 01:30:42.059
He doesn't pick the fastest pace.

01:30:42.059 --> 01:30:43.290
He's not screaming through.

01:30:44.549 --> 01:30:46.410
But whenever there's an
issue, you need some food.

01:30:46.410 --> 01:30:48.000
You stop, get some food in, get going.

01:30:48.089 --> 01:30:48.990
You need your feet done.

01:30:48.990 --> 01:30:50.250
You stop, you address your feet.

01:30:50.490 --> 01:30:55.349
And that little mindset, which turns
out is a special forest mindset.

01:30:55.830 --> 01:31:00.450
What a game changer to the comfort level
and ability just to enjoy your hunt,

01:31:00.450 --> 01:31:03.059
your hike, your your back country a.

01:31:03.525 --> 01:31:07.995
Like, I spent the next two and a half,
three weeks in flip flops because I had

01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:13.155
such huge scabs on the back of my feet
after that that I couldn't get shoes on.

01:31:13.785 --> 01:31:18.105
So stopping the second you get a
hotpot, the second you start getting a

01:31:18.105 --> 01:31:21.375
little bit cold, put something on right
before it gets too far, because there's

01:31:21.375 --> 01:31:23.985
nobody gonna be out there to, to fix

01:31:23.990 --> 01:31:24.525
that for you.

01:31:24.795 --> 01:31:25.035
Yeah.

01:31:25.035 --> 01:31:27.975
And keep watching your, your partners
that are with you, because we're

01:31:27.975 --> 01:31:32.295
not all, we all don't have the same
metabolic rate or, or, you know, energy

01:31:32.295 --> 01:31:33.645
level or anything else like that.

01:31:33.645 --> 01:31:34.845
Because, and being the tough

01:31:34.845 --> 01:31:36.735
guy doesn't do the group help.

01:31:36.975 --> 01:31:40.605
And let's skip all the way
back to the beginning of this.

01:31:40.665 --> 01:31:42.045
How much did this thing cost?

01:31:42.075 --> 01:31:42.435
Mm-hmm.

01:31:42.975 --> 01:31:46.575
. So why ruin, you know, something that
I've invested quite a bit of money

01:31:46.575 --> 01:31:51.225
to be out there to do right by not
taking five minutes outta my day to

01:31:51.225 --> 01:31:55.965
get my socks off, treat my dogs, put
my socks back on and continue on.

01:31:56.055 --> 01:31:56.355
Right.

01:31:57.150 --> 01:31:59.730
Speaking of which, another little
helpful hint, which I know I've

01:31:59.730 --> 01:32:04.320
offered up as a pro tip in the past,
but Gore-Tex socks, you can't help

01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:05.880
but get your boots soaked through.

01:32:06.690 --> 01:32:11.820
You take your wet socks off, you put
dry socks on, you put a set of Gore-Tex

01:32:11.820 --> 01:32:16.259
socks on, put your wet boots, you
know, try and blo as much water out,

01:32:16.259 --> 01:32:20.130
but put your goretex socks back on
and you can walk with dry feet again.

01:32:20.670 --> 01:32:24.059
And often you can walk your boots
dry over a day or so as well with

01:32:24.059 --> 01:32:26.490
that, even though you're not having
to put them to a fire to warm them

01:32:26.490 --> 01:32:27.570
up or dry them, anything like that.

01:32:27.660 --> 01:32:27.809
Well,

01:32:27.809 --> 01:32:30.150
you had that other tip as
well, that sham Wow tip.

01:32:30.360 --> 01:32:30.660
Yep.

01:32:30.690 --> 01:32:32.130
Well that's it at night.

01:32:32.190 --> 01:32:36.150
Uh, carry those little sham wows,
twist them up, put them up inside your

01:32:36.150 --> 01:32:40.320
boot, and it works like a capillary
siphon to right to take the water out.

01:32:40.320 --> 01:32:43.530
So toes up, shamma up inside.

01:32:43.710 --> 01:32:43.950
And it

01:32:43.950 --> 01:32:47.099
can also use it on the inside of your
tent to dry things off with all the

01:32:47.099 --> 01:32:48.509
condensation that you're gonna get on a

01:32:48.509 --> 01:32:49.259
single wall tent.

01:32:49.259 --> 01:32:49.559
Any way.

01:32:49.565 --> 01:32:49.980
Nothing.

01:32:49.980 --> 01:32:53.670
And, and that's the, you know,  rather
than being a Terry cloth towel,

01:32:53.730 --> 01:32:55.530
get one of those microfiber towels.

01:32:55.530 --> 01:32:56.820
Yeah, Which same thing.

01:32:56.825 --> 01:33:00.540
You can use it for so many things and it
doesn't take up any space or weight or

01:33:00.540 --> 01:33:04.680
anything like that, but you don't need
like a, you know, a face towel, pant

01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:06.630
towel, bath towel, that sort of stuff.

01:33:06.690 --> 01:33:07.620
One of those little ones.

01:33:07.650 --> 01:33:10.410
And talking about keeping
clean is keeping warm too.

01:33:10.415 --> 01:33:10.580
Mm-hmm.

01:33:10.580 --> 01:33:13.590
You know, on the subject of tells, make
sure you bring along, you know, some

01:33:13.590 --> 01:33:19.170
scent-free, uh, biodegradable, you know,
soap camp suds or something like that.

01:33:19.170 --> 01:33:22.140
You wash the dishes, wash your
clothes if you need to wash

01:33:22.140 --> 01:33:23.460
your, your body, it's all good.

01:33:23.580 --> 01:33:23.760
Mm-hmm.

01:33:25.830 --> 01:33:31.650
. Um, some of the other
things, again though, as much

01:33:31.650 --> 01:33:33.000
comfort as you want to have.

01:33:33.330 --> 01:33:35.040
Um, being careful.

01:33:36.330 --> 01:33:38.980
There's always liquor in my
hunting camp, but, you know, so.

01:33:39.525 --> 01:33:43.245
On these types of camps, take in
just, you know, a little bit of sip

01:33:43.245 --> 01:33:44.595
and liquor or something like that.

01:33:44.595 --> 01:33:45.945
It'll cut way back.

01:33:46.005 --> 01:33:48.975
You can, don't bother
bringing glass in the know.

01:33:48.975 --> 01:33:52.305
That's kind of a, a personal
request cuz glass either gets

01:33:52.305 --> 01:33:53.895
broken and never, never comes out.

01:33:53.895 --> 01:33:56.685
Or people say, Oh, it just throw it
in the fire and it turns to slide.

01:33:56.690 --> 01:33:57.665
Oh it doesn't really.

01:33:57.705 --> 01:33:58.265
Right.

01:33:58.415 --> 01:33:59.225
It's still there.

01:33:59.415 --> 01:34:00.065
It's still there.

01:34:00.065 --> 01:34:02.835
There's always glass, uh,
packing in your garbage.

01:34:03.470 --> 01:34:04.190
The ethos.

01:34:04.280 --> 01:34:05.330
Pack it in, pack it out.

01:34:05.330 --> 01:34:05.420
Yeah.

01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:05.750
Right.

01:34:05.750 --> 01:34:09.350
You know, just whatever you're
taking in now, I always say you

01:34:09.355 --> 01:34:12.440
gotta burn your food scraps, You
know, that helps with predators.

01:34:12.860 --> 01:34:16.280
Take your tin cans, burn them, but
then take them out and smash them

01:34:16.280 --> 01:34:17.900
flat and then put them into a bag.

01:34:17.900 --> 01:34:23.510
But don't there, there seems to be
this thought that went back cuz the

01:34:23.510 --> 01:34:27.050
guys that were in those and, and
that will be the shocking thing you

01:34:27.290 --> 01:34:30.680
will find when you go into these
northern lakes and remote areas.

01:34:30.980 --> 01:34:33.350
There's people who have been there
for a hundred years before you.

01:34:33.500 --> 01:34:33.860
Sure.

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:37.580
And you'll find areas where people
have, you know, dumped a whole

01:34:37.580 --> 01:34:40.850
bunch of cans into a hole in the
ground and they're still there.

01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:44.900
Well, even going back further than that,
there's like obsidian arrowheads in, uh,

01:34:45.350 --> 01:34:46.730
mids and things like that.

01:34:46.730 --> 01:34:47.510
Yeah, exactly.

01:34:47.510 --> 01:34:49.190
Like people have been there, people have.

01:34:50.145 --> 01:34:51.825
Uh, fires another couple things.

01:34:51.825 --> 01:34:54.855
You know, wherever you, you go in
and there's already an established

01:34:54.855 --> 01:34:57.346
fire pit, but for whatever reason,
somebody says, Well, I don't really

01:34:57.351 --> 01:35:00.045
like the view from that fire pit, so
I'm gonna put another fire pit there.

01:35:00.285 --> 01:35:04.365
So you've now created another 30,000
year scar on the ground, Right?

01:35:04.370 --> 01:35:04.425
Right.

01:35:04.605 --> 01:35:06.795
So just stick with,
you know, what's there.

01:35:06.795 --> 01:35:08.205
Use what people have had.

01:35:08.475 --> 01:35:11.205
Cutting, cutting live trees.

01:35:11.715 --> 01:35:15.915
Uh, if you're operating in one of
the northern parks up there, in many

01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:19.785
of these areas, you know, our, our
parks, they're regulated by BC parks.

01:35:20.175 --> 01:35:25.155
You cannot cut the live,
uh, conifers trees.

01:35:25.665 --> 01:35:26.685
That's a fine Right.

01:35:26.765 --> 01:35:27.185
And.

01:35:28.019 --> 01:35:32.400
Have run into, you know, if you hear a
helicopter coming, it's one of two things.

01:35:32.400 --> 01:35:35.260
It's somebody coming to
rescue or it's gonna be the co

01:35:35.519 --> 01:35:36.809
conservation officer service.

01:35:36.809 --> 01:35:40.260
And they usually come with a BC parks
ranger that comes in there mm-hmm.

01:35:40.665 --> 01:35:43.050
. And that ranger is looking to
see what you've cut mm-hmm.

01:35:43.620 --> 01:35:46.349
and that can a amount to
quite a, a hefty fine.

01:35:46.889 --> 01:35:48.510
So there's no reason to cut.

01:35:48.570 --> 01:35:51.120
There is so much dead standing stuff.

01:35:51.570 --> 01:35:55.230
Um, if you're any one of the lake
shores, you know, for firewood,

01:35:55.380 --> 01:35:59.340
and then, you know, if you do need
structural things, cut the aspens,

01:35:59.340 --> 01:36:00.690
nobody, you know, they're fine.

01:36:00.690 --> 01:36:04.920
You grow right back, cut the alder, cut
the, the willow and, and, and that type

01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:10.559
of, you know, um, weed tree, for lack
of a better term, that that's all fine.

01:36:10.559 --> 01:36:10.830
Sure.

01:36:10.860 --> 01:36:11.700
They don't care about that.

01:36:12.090 --> 01:36:15.930
But when you're finished, if you've cut
a bunch of tent poles from what's up

01:36:15.934 --> 01:36:18.540
there, stand them up so they don't rot.

01:36:18.570 --> 01:36:23.220
And then the next person that arrives can
use them to, to string their wall tent on

01:36:23.220 --> 01:36:25.099
or whatever they, they, they care to do.

01:36:26.865 --> 01:36:30.935
I think, you know, we, it was a
traditional thing to take, you know, a, a

01:36:30.940 --> 01:36:34.815
frameless wall tent in, and then cut your
poles, cut your poles and everything else.

01:36:34.815 --> 01:36:40.605
Today there is such a variety of
the hot tents that are out there.

01:36:40.605 --> 01:36:45.135
Most of them like a, a, a a teepee
style or, or something like that.

01:36:45.135 --> 01:36:52.605
But a a, a circular, you know, allows,
uh, for your tall center pole to go up.

01:36:52.605 --> 01:36:55.845
And that center pole can either be,
you know, an expandable one that you

01:36:55.850 --> 01:36:59.355
brought, one that you cut, or you can
actually use a little pulley system

01:36:59.360 --> 01:37:04.035
and pull the center of that thing up a
little small wood stove inside there.

01:37:04.035 --> 01:37:06.825
And you've got comfort beyond.

01:37:06.825 --> 01:37:08.595
Imagine, you know, you know who

01:37:08.595 --> 01:37:12.855
makes a really good,
lightweight, spacious tent.

01:37:13.015 --> 01:37:13.215
Mm.

01:37:13.755 --> 01:37:15.735
Brad Brooks from Rali.

01:37:15.945 --> 01:37:16.485
Oh, really?

01:37:16.485 --> 01:37:18.015
Past podcast guest.

01:37:18.015 --> 01:37:22.725
And, uh, just Google up Rali check,
check out the tents that he makes.

01:37:22.725 --> 01:37:26.325
He's was one of the consultants
on some other big name

01:37:26.355 --> 01:37:28.425
lightweight back country tents.

01:37:28.430 --> 01:37:31.425
And he says, You know, I still have ideas.

01:37:31.430 --> 01:37:33.015
I still want to make innovations.

01:37:33.015 --> 01:37:35.805
And he's made those innovations
within the tents that he has there.

01:37:35.805 --> 01:37:38.355
So I would definitely recommend
people check that one out.

01:37:38.355 --> 01:37:39.405
Yeah, they're awesome.

01:37:39.705 --> 01:37:42.335
Well, that's gonna be your home
for while you're in there, right?

01:37:42.335 --> 01:37:46.035
So you wanna make sure that you know,
you, you've taken good accounts.

01:37:46.035 --> 01:37:49.184
I mean, we talked about bringing
some tarps because you can't

01:37:49.184 --> 01:37:50.625
spend all your time in the tent.

01:37:51.075 --> 01:37:54.255
Uh, and if you get a big roar and
fire outside, you know, it's nice to

01:37:54.255 --> 01:37:59.475
have, uh, a bit of a tarp to reflect
the heat back from that fire onto

01:37:59.475 --> 01:38:02.535
your back and also keep you out of the
mist or whatever that's coming down.

01:38:04.005 --> 01:38:05.445
So we've covered a fair
bit of ground here.

01:38:05.475 --> 01:38:05.715
Oh, man.

01:38:05.985 --> 01:38:11.235
You know, mindset going in, being the
group, the people that you're picking,

01:38:11.355 --> 01:38:14.055
making the decision whether you're
gonna go by yourself or with a group.

01:38:14.385 --> 01:38:18.135
Understanding bush pilots and
weather systems and how that's,

01:38:18.255 --> 01:38:19.965
there's no guarantees there really.

01:38:19.970 --> 01:38:21.015
There is no guarantees.

01:38:21.015 --> 01:38:23.115
And just because you're guarantee
book in with a pilot doesn't mean

01:38:23.115 --> 01:38:25.095
that you're necessarily taking voice

01:38:25.475 --> 01:38:25.995
scout attitude.

01:38:25.995 --> 01:38:25.996
Be

01:38:26.001 --> 01:38:27.435
prepared, be prepared.

01:38:27.705 --> 01:38:29.955
Um, communication systems.

01:38:29.985 --> 01:38:31.815
We touched a little bit on food.

01:38:31.815 --> 01:38:33.465
You're right that it's a much bigger area.

01:38:33.465 --> 01:38:38.805
We could, uh, we could get into sleeping
systems, both shelters, backup systems.

01:38:39.165 --> 01:38:40.575
Talked a bit about firearms.

01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:46.440
W I don't know if there's too much
else within the scope of this that we

01:38:46.440 --> 01:38:48.150
can really be delving into, but the,

01:38:48.510 --> 01:38:51.150
you know, the basics, optics,
firearms, that's all there.

01:38:51.150 --> 01:38:54.420
But I would just say with the
firearms opt for a bit of redundancy

01:38:54.420 --> 01:38:58.530
so that you do have, you know, some
kind of a backup for the firearms.

01:38:58.620 --> 01:38:58.740
Mm-hmm.

01:38:58.980 --> 01:39:03.990
, I mean, if you and I, if I was, you know,
40 years younger and we were going in on

01:39:03.990 --> 01:39:11.040
a sheep hunt and we're going in on a, in a
1 72 or a 180 2 or you know, a small float

01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:15.780
plane onto a high altitude lake, it might
be just backpack and a little box of,

01:39:15.780 --> 01:39:17.460
you know, snacks or something like that.

01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:20.490
So there that redundancy
thing's gonna be wa Yes.

01:39:20.490 --> 01:39:20.770
Right.

01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:24.780
You know, we're not gonna have a whole ton
of stuff, but if you and I and a couple

01:39:24.780 --> 01:39:30.780
other guys are gonna, you know, pay for a,
an otter flight in, we could be relatively

01:39:30.785 --> 01:39:32.550
comfortable, but be smart about it.

01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:32.730
Mm-hmm.

01:39:32.970 --> 01:39:33.720
, you know, what we're bringing in.

01:39:34.050 --> 01:39:35.160
We wanna have a good shelter.

01:39:35.220 --> 01:39:38.400
We want to have the ability to sit
around the fire at night, Those things.

01:39:38.405 --> 01:39:38.490
Mm-hmm.

01:39:38.610 --> 01:39:40.394
, you know, Firearms.

01:39:40.425 --> 01:39:41.325
It remains the same.

01:39:41.474 --> 01:39:42.735
Optics remains the same.

01:39:42.795 --> 01:39:45.105
You know, those, those
things don't change too much.

01:39:45.105 --> 01:39:52.065
But the specialty specialness of, of
this remote, you know, um, packing

01:39:52.065 --> 01:39:55.905
and hunting trip requires that
we do some, some real thinking.

01:39:57.434 --> 01:39:59.175
Why don't we give it
a wrap up right there.

01:39:59.205 --> 01:39:59.505
Okay.

01:39:59.625 --> 01:40:03.615
If people have, uh, questions
on specifics, we can always

01:40:03.615 --> 01:40:04.724
delve into the minutia.

01:40:04.905 --> 01:40:05.055
Yeah.

01:40:05.085 --> 01:40:08.025
But this should give a good overall
for people who are thinking about

01:40:08.025 --> 01:40:11.025
doing a flying hunt, particularly
in the British Columbia area.

01:40:11.850 --> 01:40:14.460
And, uh, I mean, I've got pack lists.

01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:15.750
I'm sure you do too.

01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:18.390
I've got stuff we can
put as offline assets.

01:40:18.390 --> 01:40:18.480
Yeah.

01:40:18.510 --> 01:40:21.990
People are looking at what, uh,
what we've used in the past and,

01:40:21.990 --> 01:40:25.050
uh, they might even have suggestions
that make it better for our next

01:40:25.050 --> 01:40:26.610
fly in that we're gonna do together.

01:40:26.670 --> 01:40:26.970
Right.

01:40:26.970 --> 01:40:27.510
Where, where is that

01:40:28.830 --> 01:40:29.070
? 
Yeah.

01:40:29.070 --> 01:40:32.250
It's by Whisper Lake next to
Never, Never Tell Mountain.

01:40:32.280 --> 01:40:33.090
That's in Region nine.

01:40:33.360 --> 01:40:36.390
Oh, it, Well, I think they
moved it to Region 10 by now.

01:40:36.420 --> 01:40:36.750
Oh, is it?

01:40:36.750 --> 01:40:37.230
Okay.

01:40:37.235 --> 01:40:37.510
Okay.

01:40:37.770 --> 01:40:38.010
Yeah.

01:40:38.130 --> 01:40:41.040
No, we'll, we'll have a spot and we'll,
you know, see if you can figure it out.

01:40:41.100 --> 01:40:45.840
Just like right here at Fu Duck Lodge.

01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:46.740
Fu Duck Lodge.