Unknown: I saw a video of Ringo, and it was Paul's gigs, and they
did helter skelter together. Oh my gosh. I just thought I want
to be there. That would be so fun to watch these two together.
Or what if they just combined with the stones?
Well, they, they,
hasn't there been
a little
perfect here guys? Well, they did the stones last album, the
most recent one, they did acne diamonds. There's a great cut on
there that Paul McCarthy plays fuzz bass on, and it is funny.
They sound like they're stones and Paul together, they sound
like a young punk band. You can't believe these are 80 year
old men.
Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all
goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain.
Hey, welcome back into circling the drain. The podcast that
well, tries to keep these stories alive before they go
down the drain. Nobody better to keep them alive than Jay.
Harper, Jay, how are you doing,
my friend? I'm okay. I thought maybe you were going to say,
nobody better to put them down the drain than the Jay. But I'm
fine, Johnny, I'm okay.
And we have Jim McCarthy, who flies the ship and does so much
more. Thank you. It's good to have you guys aboard. And we've
been talking about groups that, well, they change members, and
some people get upset when the groups try to go out and keep
making, you know, music and money by touring without the
original member. Yeah,
and you also have these bands where maybe one member will
leave the band but try to pass themselves off after having
other artists join. You know, other musicians join them pass
themselves off as the original band. Yeah, you've had that
conflict a time or two. Oh, well, this ended up in in
courtrooms.
Oh, yeah. Deep Purple is a great example. There was a their first
lead singer was rod Evans. He was the one that did anyway.
They got rid of him. And when Deep Purple disbanded in 1976
and kind of became inactive, Rod Evans put together this faux
group of musicians that weren't even involved in deep purple,
and took them on the road, and they were selling out. Wow. And
the original members of Deep Purple, of course, went to court
and sued him and stopped it. Yeah, like that. Wait a damn
minute, yeah, we're not in there.
Yeah, that was the well, the whole reason why we're talking
about this is, as of earlier this week, yeah, we found out
Rush is going back out on the road. Yes, they are Attica Niles
on drums.
I think that's going to be exciting. I think so too. But
there are some out there that are complaining about it. Yeah.
They're saying, Oh, it's purely a money move,
yeah, so what's wrong? Yeah, they've got to make money.
I don't think it's purely it's Well, yeah, sure. You know, the
guys haven't toured in 10 years. It's not like they need the
money.
Guys. No, no. I mean, but it does help. Sure, you know, it
does help for, and I don't understand people that you know,
get mad at these groups, especially the ones that do it
for nostalgia. Yeah. I mean, they, they've got to make money.
Everybody's got to make money. How are they going to do it? How
are they? How are they going to fill those coffers up? They've
got to do what they do
best. I'm a huge brush fan. Have been since 1991 because I'm a
drummer, and Neil was a big influence on he was the best.
One of the things that I've kind of taken away from it is that
they, I don't see Alex and Getty living lavish lifestyles. I'm
sure they're very comfortable, but I appreciate their approach,
because if you watch the video they did, they're like, We
don't, it's not really rush. It's, it's a different version
of Rush, even to the point where Getty talked about, I'm bringing
a third, a fourth person on stage to play the keyboards,
because I'm done, yeah, and it's like, know what, dude, good on
you. You deserve it exactly. Do it? Do you? Yeah, it's he
understands. It's like, it's not really rush, because Neil's not
there. So it's kind of a tribute. Oh yeah, he just says
it, you know?
Well, look at Leonard Skinner. I mean, there is not one surviving
member in Leonard Skinner. Now, they're all different musicians,
but they still go out and play the Skinner tunes. Yep, they're
basically a tribute band, but there's nothing wrong with that
good journey. Oh, yeah, you
know, when does it does? Okay, here's a good question. When
does it become a tribute? Is it when the singer is replaced, you
know, was
he with Van Halen? Van Halen? It would be the guitar player. I'm
sorry, but
yeah, I think it really does depend on the on the personality
of the band, and what, what made them most popular, whether it be
their lead singer or the, you know, certain musicians that are
just iconic with their guitar playing, you know, or whatever
instrument it happens to be, right? I mean, you, you know,
you look at the band Chicago, how many lead singers have they
had? Oh, man, you know. And still, people think Peter So
Tara is, you know, is the guy, but they've had a lot of success
with with other lead singers. Take the Doobie Brothers. Is it
Michael McDonald? Exactly, you know. I mean, you can still be
the band. I mean, I have seen it's been a while. Heck, it was
at Starwood. To tell you how long ago it was, when I saw
Chicago and Earth, Wind and Fire, they were on the same
bill. Oh, cool show. Yeah. You know, they played separately,
and then they played together to finish the show. But, you know,
even by that time, Chicago had different lead singers and
stuff, oh, yeah, but boy, the essence in the heart of the band
was still there. That's, that's maybe the thing, you know, with
Robert Lamb and you know that those all the horn players that
was Chicago. To me, yeah, okay, you know, so Tara and the other
lead singers they had are, are certainly, uh, part of their
their essence and all, but it's that just kick ass horn section,
yeah, oh yeah. That is the essence in the personality of
Chicago. It to me. I know others may feel different no matter who
their lead singer is, as long as those, as long as they're good,
I guess, but Yeah, as long as that, that, you know, Wall of
Sound with the horns is there. That is Chicago.
I agree. I would agree with that as well. And I would say too
with Van Halen. I'm glad that they decided to just in the
group, because without Eddie Van Halen, I think you've pretty
much taken the heart and soul out of
that band. Did you see when it came by last summer with Hagar?
I
saw some of the clips. I didn't go see them. I
went to that show. Did you? Yeah, it was it was good. I love
the fact that, you know, you 77 Oh yeah. He's still freaking
rocking, still got a great voice. You know, Michael
Anthony's up there doing his thing. But you had Kenny Aaron
off on drums, yes, who actually was the second night, because
Jason Bonham was going to take care of his
mom. He was in the Elton John band for a while. Was Kenny
Aaron off? Yeah, I believe
so he was it was it melon. Camp was melon.
Yeah, thinking that he played drums on on an could have, when
Nigel Olson had split,
he could have, because Kenny Aaron off played with Waylon,
yeah, I'm sorry. Oh yeah.
Kenny Aaron off played with Smashing Pumpkins, Avril Levine,
I believe Michelle Branch. We saw him. We saw him in Vegas
with Michelle Branch. He got more of applause, and she did,
wow. First I've ever saw that he came walking out on stage and
like people, like standing ovation.
Well, the guy's, I mean, he's phenomenal drummer. He's
legendary, yeah, just phenomenal colorful language. He is
colorful linguist. But you're not wrong. I mean, it's like, it
was weird to see Satriani. You know, doing, you know, Satriani
is, like, he's got to feel like, to it. This is Eddie, yes, you
know, I mean, this is, I'll do my best.
This is the king, yeah, would be like, somebody going out and
doing Elvis. You've got to be really, you got to feel really
good about yourself and self confident to go out and cover
Elvis, yeah, all these Tribute Artists of because I have, I
have a friend of mine that does that, and I think you, you've
got cojones inside of Texas if you want to do that right now.
But to me, like Journey is a their cover band.
Well, they really are without Steve Barry, Oh, yeah. I
mean, that is such an iconic voice. I mean, there are certain
voices though, that just can't be replaced.
Well, it'd like The Rolling Stones if something happened to
Mick Jagger, yeah. Well, the stones wouldn't be the stone,
yeah, and bad company without Paul Rogers. I mean, oh, no way.
That's just
not gonna work. No, it's not. Now, I will
say something that's probably gonna be very unpopular,
especially amongst drummers. Especially amongst drummers. I'm
afraid I think Annika is going to do a very good job and
tribute to Neil. But as a drummer studying the two camps,
technique wise and feel wise, she's got it all over him. She's
good, really. She's that good. Wow. He was like, he was, like,
a trailblazer, yeah, he was, and he was like, I call him the
common, common man's drummer. He was good. But, I mean, there are
drummers out there that could smoke him, you know, he just
got, he was first in the mind, from a marketing perspective, he
got that, that kind of position everyone, like. Know, well, Neil
Peart, he's the best, yeah, I get that, you know, you may, he
got that that first in the mind, because he was so groundbreaking
with his
parts. Yeah. I mean, is Carl Palmer in that discussion? I
would
say, so, yeah. Carl Palmer, I
don't think gets his due. I will think he can pace from a deep
purple, gets his due. Carter Beaufort, from Dave Matthews,
yeah, and Alex Van Halen really freaking lutely, that dude was
phenomenal.
He is, he was, he still is, he just won't. He walks with a cane
now. But had he auctioned off all this stuff?
Yeah, it was kind of like what Sammy said. I don't think he's
gonna be joining us, because he got rid of all of his stuff. And
while we're thinking of stuff, and I brought up Waylon
Jennings, and we'll get back to our story. But this is, this is
to shooter Jennings, who I love. I love shooter Jennings, but I
ordered this new Waylon Jennings songbird album I ordered. I pre
ordered it months ago. I still haven't gotten it, and it's been
out how long now? It's been out for a couple of about a week.
Yeah, that's what I thought. And I'm thinking it shouldn't take
over this time to get a Waylon Jennings,
well, especially if you pre ordered it. Well, yeah, I
even checked on the on where it was at. It's still in Fort Worth
Oh, really, yeah, it's getting ready to put the label
on it. That's probably something he can't control.
Yeah, it's, you know, a bunch of people smoking dope in your
warehouse.
But I seen people on eBay and and Amazon that order already
got it. So that's where I probably should have done it.
But anyway, I digress. We're talking about, I just had to get
that out because I, I just wanted to bitch. Thank you. But
you know one guy that was notorious
new segment, hey,
grinds my gear. Anyway.
Richie Blackmore, you know deep purple fame. You talk about a
guy taking changing members of bands, he's the king because you
had deep purple. They got rid of their as we were talking
earlier, Rod Evans and Nick Semper, who were the lead singer
and bass player. They got rid of them because Blackboard wanted
more of a Robert Plant type voice. And they got Ian Gillan
and Roger Glover. And that was the that was the mark too deep
purple that everybody kind of fell in love with, with Smoke on
the Water woman from Tokyo, you know, space truck and highway
star. And right at the height of their success, they were like
the number one selling album Band and billboard, they get rid
of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover, and they bring in David
Coverdale and Glen Hughes. And after he does that, then
Blackmore splits deep purple to do his own thing with his band.
Rainbow, right, right. Rainbow did not have a solid lineup
their entire life of the band. Every album had different
members. Wow. I mean, there was not one album that had, oh, it's
the same group of guy. No, somebody would always get sacked
and and he said, basically he looked at musicians like he
said, I'm like a vampire. I want new blood.
And that's the thing is that, what does that benefited him?
How did that pay off?
Yeah, see, I even though I love rainbows, I did love Blackmores
playing and I loved rainbows albums, all of them at the same
time, I would kind of go, dang. And I kind of missed that
drummer, yeah? Or I miss, you know, Ronnie James Dio got, you
know, they split up, yeah, it was like, there's no continuity
in this band. It's hard to get an allegiance. Well,
it's, I think it's fatiguing for the audience too, because they
audiences? I think people are typically attracted to culture.
Good culture. Yes. You know the E Street Band, Love him or hate
him. Bruce Springsteen, he's got a following that's fervent, that
you have passionate following of people. Oh, yeah. He kept the
same lineup. Yes, he did. He was loyal to
Yes, okay, well, even the
stones were that way, right? You know, in some of your country,
bands have been, well, you know, Merle, haggard, the strangers,
yes, those guys. I mean, it was the same band, the same band
members for 60
years. Oh yeah, white one and the Wailers. Even though there
were some people that came and went. You had Richie Albright
and Ralph Mooney, as long as you had those two in the band with
Waylon
hag it was norm Hamlet on steel, Roy Nichols on guitar, Biff Adam
on drum, Dennis romack on bass. And I forget the name of the
guy. He had a sax play a country band with a sax. Max play, yeah,
you know all those years, you know Jimmy Belkin on fiddle, and
he had gimbal with him for a while. I mean, but you know,
it's when you become a fan of a certain artist. You kind of
relate to the band members. Oh, you do? You know Elton John has
had Davey John Stone on guitar, Nigel Olson on drums, Dee Murray
on whatever. You know, Dee passed away a number of years
ago. In fact, one of the greatest shows that I ever saw
there was a benefit for Dee Murray's family at the opry
house in Nashville, and it was Elton John by himself. You know,
I'd sat, you know, 10 rows away from the guy, yeah, and it was
just him solo, you know, on the on the piano for that tribute
for a couple of hours. Talk about a magical night. But, I
mean, but again, you you know, especially those of us from a
certain generation that sat there and looked over those
vinyl album covers and you read everything on it who all the
players were, and, you know, relevant, yeah,
oh, I remember the news, the new record smell. Oh, I loved it.
And I love the Elton John albums, because he would had all
the lyrics were in that, and not every artist did that. No, yeah,
it was such a treat to be able to open all that stuff up and
read the lyrics along with the stuff and see who the artists
were. Well, I remember the positions were the
Beatles. I remember when the Beatles first did that was on
Sergeant I think that's why Sergeant Pepper became such a
such a phenomenon, because it was the first time there were
lyrics on the back of the record, I was like, This is
phenomenal. I wish every group would do this,
yeah? Because, let's face it, so many rock things, he knows. What
the hell are they saying?
Yeah, especially Mick Jagger. What do you say?
That's another topic we could cover. Yeah, exactly. But, I
mean, that's you bring up a good point to your point, especially
in the country genre, people love loyalty. Yes, they do. So
when you take a Tim McGraw and all of a sudden he starts
changing up the dance hall doctors, like he did. What
happened? Like it literally, like he fell off the face of the
map when that happened? Yeah. I mean, he didn't, I mean, he had
it. He still had a couple of hits here and there, but not
like he used to. Yeah? Keith Urban just did it. Changed up
his band, longtime guys, 20 plus year guys, because he wants to
stay relevant. Yeah? And it's like, dude, yeah, you do that.
No. Well, it's like, David Allen Coe, I loved he had a band that
had that's where I first saw Warren Haynes, the guy that's
with a government mule now, great guitar player, also with
the Allman Brothers at times, but I saw him. He had him. He
had Mickey Hayes on bass. He had just this great band. And right
in the in the middle of all, like when he was getting success
with the ride and all that, he changed it up and brought in
more bluegrass players. And I thought bad, bad move, bad move,
because everybody got into that sound. You had a great country
rock sound with. He should have, he should have paid Warren
Haynes. I mean, whatever Warren Haynes wanted money wise. Give
it to him, because he gave so much and added so much to your
stage show. And some people just don't get it. Their egos are, I
think, too out there.
And it's the same thing with Billy Joel when he Yes,
jettisoned liberty. Joe Vito, dude, what are you thinking
here, man? Guys, been with you, with you, since the get go.
But yeah, as you say, Jim, I mean, I again, I'm just kind of
going through my head a lot of these country artists. And, you
know, George Strait, he's had the same group of guys forever.
Aldean, yeah. I mean, Willie Nelson, I mean bill,
tell us, with the state side another thing too. A lot of
those country acts had huge bands. Gosh, the state siders
had two fiddle players. I mean, just phenomenal sound. And
what's happened to that? Man?
I don't know. I think a lot of the you know, as you were
saying, Jim with, you know, McGraw, changing a lot of his
members. I think it gets to a point where, as you say, they're
trying to stay relevant. And I guess they figure the optics at
times, you know, you got a bunch of players that are, you know,
60 year old, fat guys that look like me, you know me back there.
And that's just not, not the look. And, yeah, you know,
McGraw got really fit, yeah, and he shaved his head. Have you
seen him? Did he Yeah? He did, yeah, shaved his head. Oh yeah,
he's got the Mr. Clean
thing going. Thank God. Faith Hill didn't
do that. Kenny Chesney, I mean, again, Tim could pack a stick.
Stadium right now. Kenny Chesney, I think he's kept the
same band members. He thought he does his big studio or stadium
tours every year. I'd love to go see him, because apparently it's
a great time. He's like, really kind of take it picked up the
Jimmy Buffett, Exactly, yep. Zach Brown has kind of done that
too. You know, Caribbean kind of sound, too.
And I was happy to see Alabama,
bring back Mark Herndon. Mark Herndon, because I felt like I
couldn't believe the way they were talking about him. It's
about like with Van Halen, with Michael Anthony, yeah, you know,
there's no sense in treating somebody like that. They were
saying, Oh, he was never a true band member.
Well, that that was the rub, apparently, is that Teddy
Gentry, Jeff Cook and Randy Owen. You know, they're all
cousins, and that was the corporation. Mark Herndon was
just a hired hand.
That's why they put Yeah, and I wouldn't even have put that out
if I were them, even if it were the truth, because all it did
was make fans kind of go. But my God, that's the way we looked at
you guys kind of crap. Yeah, Mark was part of the band. A lot
of women like Mark, and I thought that was a bad move, but
they recently had him come back on, and I thought, you know,
that's class. You should have done
that. It's funny. There's another band that goes through
drummers like they go through underwear, Slipknot, they're
constantly it's like, you know, if I'm a drummer, they just
hired. They got rid of Jay Weinberg, and Jay luckily landed
in a good spot with suicidal tendencies, and he's an
incredible drummer. His first big gig was playing his father's
Max Weinberg, yeah, with the E Street Band. So I guess Max
couldn't play a gig. And one of Jay's first big gigs was backing
us, taking his father's spot. Oh, wow, backing up Bruce. You
know, obviously he's known him all his life and whatever. But,
you know, he loved the gig. The ad was Slipknot, and they just,
you're done,
dude, where is the loyalty? Yeah. It's like fans pick up on
this. Oh, yeah, they do. They really do. Yeah. It hurts you
when you do this. Well, it's like, you know, to a lot of
fans, and it's really this way more in country, I think, than
in rock and roll. But fans, you almost become, like, these
people become a part of your family. That's what it feels
like
bigger loyalty factor in country. I think, Oh, I think
there is
too, and, and, man, if you, if you really screw with that.
That's why, even though I was a big fan of Waylon, I thought it
was a big mistake of his to play rock star when he was so big,
because he would not be available for fans and with
country music fans. That's that's a mistake. That's a death
nail. That
is a huge mistake. Yeah.
What are the bands that are like they become known for just
having so many interchangeable members? I can't, I know we've
mentioned some of them, but there's one that's at the tip of
my tongue that like they're just known. Like, okay, well, which,
which iteration,
which version are we getting? Gosh, there's a bunch of there
is it might be foreigner, yeah? Foreigners. Another one, yeah.
And I never have liked them without Lou Graham. I just it's
not foreign, not foreigner. No. That dude has such a great
voice.
He did. I mean, you have, like, bands in the punk genre, like
Bad Religion, they've gone through, they've had mainly the
same core of guys. I mean, they're one of the godfathers of
punk. Going back to the early 80s, their drummers have been
interchangeable, but mainly because the drummers just left.
You know the Bobby, I can't remember his last his last name,
but he he hurt his shoulder. He got injured, so he had to leave.
They replaced him with Brooks Wackerman, who's a monster. I
mean, the dude is so good. What a great name. Oh yeah. Well, his
his brother's Chad Wackerman, who's who played with Zappa and
everything. Yeah, that so a family of drummers. The guy is
an amazing player. He was on probably, he was with them for
15 years. And, you know, I remember when they were looking
for a drummer. I was in Vegas at the time, and I'm going, well,
maybe I'll try out. You know, it's just hard. And then I heard
they got him, and I said, No, I'm good, nope.
Not gonna go there, nope. Well, it's kind of like AC DC, you
know, when Brian Johnson had to drop out. I remember everybody
just when they when they when they said it was gonna be Axl
Rose. I remember so many fans just raising hell, but watching,
watching the videos that I did. I thought Axl Rose did a great
job on the bond Scott material, really the Brian Johnson stuff.
I think this is just me. I thought he kind of fell flat on
but the bond Scott material, you know, like Riff Raff and Highway
to Hell. I thought, Man, he's nailing it. How can you
have you ever tried to sing,
like, Yeah, like that, yeah. Well, I did. I actually got up
with a few bands and yeah and. Actually pulled, I kind of
pulled it off, really, yeah, I was actually in little town
south of Nashville, here called Shelbyville, or as a shovel,
shovel, shovel, yeah. But there was a great man down there
called,
oh gosh, now I'm drawing a blank, bittersweet.
Is what they recall. They played a lot of Southern rock, and they
did TNT one night, invited me up and I sang it, and the crowd
went crazy, and it was really cool. I was like, I would kind
of like to do this.
I would like to do rock. You know,
it's like you're singing that music. You're in a perpetual
state of Hawking up a loogie.
It's basically like you're, you're, you know, it sounds like
you're gargling with Jack Daniels and razor razor blades.
Yeah, and von Scott, that guy, I just pictured him just non stop
drinking and Non Stop screwing. That's all I thought. That's
this guy's life
until he's on stage. You know, that doesn't sound too bad,
quite a gig,
doesn't it kind of tapers off as we get older. Yeah, it
does. But he's one of them does
assault with a dead weapon. But anyway, Brian, I thought Brian
Johnson. I didn't think Brian. I When, when Bon Scott died. I
really wondered about ac dc, dc future, because I thought that
dude had such a unique voice, great front man, yep. And I
didn't know much about Brian Johnson. I did watch a video of
what Jordy, that was one of his first bands, and I'm like, Oh,
this isn't gonna work. But, man, when they came out with I heard
you shook me all night long on FM radio, and I went, Yeah, this
could work. This sounds great.
Sammy, hey. Hagar replaced Roth, yeah.
Now that when I I was excited about because I like Sammy Yeah,
and I knew he could sing, yeah, yeah. David Lee Roth was a great
lyricist, great showman, not a great singer. He
had that, that, like Tibetan monk, multiple, multi faceted
vocal thing going on when he was on, like you could hear like
several different tones, yes, you know what I mean, yes. And
that was cool. That thing with Van Halen, Van Halen with Roth
was like a circus act. It was like the circus had come to
town. It was an event when, when Hagar joined the band, they
became a good band.
Yeah, they became very radio friendly. Oh gosh,
you're not kidding. I mean, and and friendly with the parents
too. Because when you have songs like when it's love, love walks
in. Oh well, we can get behind this. Guys. I got
another song about love. Oh gosh, here we go.
How many songs about love? Do we need Sammy?
But then they'd hear something like black and blue by him. Oh,
all that is, is about, you know,
yeah, just sex. When I first heard that song, so I was like,
I was still getting into playing the drums. I must have been 11
or 12 years old. Is that right? That came out in 88 so I was
probably 1314, 15. I didn't listen to lyrics all that much
back then, because I was always listening to music and the drums
and stuff like that. I as an adult, I went back and listened
to that song and I'm going, I was blushing. I'm going, Oh my
god.
Oh yeah. His lyrics, man. They also have one of their same
album, sucker in a three piece. Yeah, I like man. These lyrics,
you go from when it's love
to this, Emmy's just in perpetual horniness. Boy.
He really is. If you ever heard up for breakfast, off their best
in both worlds. This is, this is so blatant. It's so obvious,
yeah, it's like, I kind of dug David's lyrics a little more
than I did sammy's.
Well, Sammy, yeah, I mean, he was a great singer, a little one
dimensional when it comes to lyrics,
yes. And really, as far as being a front man, after you've had
David Lee Roth, I just thought, well, I can't see the girls
really getting into Sammy as much as
that opening salvo in
what is the song? The first song off of 5150, oh, good enough.
Good enough. Yeah, hello, babe. That was a middle finger. Oh, it
was, that was like we're coming out roaring, yes.
And they did. But then Roth came out with a great album, yeah,
and he was another one. If he'd have kept that band together,
the eat it and smile, eat them and smile. Band
we need, we need to have, oh, talk about stories. If I can get
them on here, I'd look. That would be amazing. Ray Luzia, who
plays for corn, right? Yeah, he's a drummer for corn. He
played with David Lee Roth for seven years.
We need to get Billy Sheehan. I. Yeah, Billy Sheehan never get
them both. Yeah, yeah, because Billy Sheehan, you talk about a
bass player that is phenomenal. I mean, he's Eddie Van Halen of
the bass guitar, but yeah, if Roth would have kept that band
together, because I remember when that album came out,
because 5150 came out first, and it was more radio friendly, eat
them and smile was, I mean, rock and roll. And it was in the Van
Halen, the classic, oh yeah, and Billy Sheehan and Greg
Bissonnette, yeah, when that came out, because I was such a
huge Alex fan at the time, getting at the drums. And I'm
like, Who is this guy, Greg Bissonette. And then Greg
Bissonnette put I had no idea of his pedigree, none. Greg
Bissonnette is a an accomplished drummer. I mean, he's done he
was in the one o'clock lab band and North Texas State
University, very highly educated, big jazz guy and stuff
like that. So he put out a VHS tape back in the late 80s called
private lessons, and it was just him with his blonde hair and
stuff like that, you know, his neon colored drum set that he
had from the Roth years. Yeah, I watched the crap out of that. I
learned so much, you know, because it's like, Alex wouldn't
do that. You wouldn't put out an educational product. No, but all
of a sudden I'm like, Oh, this guy, this dude's formidable.
He's a he's a good player.
Oh, he has a good player. And if he, like I said, I just wish
Roth would have kept it when he came back out with skyscraper
next Yeah, and then eat him. And smile wasn't even smile, eat
him. And smile was the first one. And then the third one was
the one with the devil on it. Yeah, little ain't enough, or
yes,
yeah, that's right. In fact, right? Roth made a great Shy
Boy, I think was on eat him and smile, was it? Yeah? Because
that's Billy Sheehan wrote that, okay. But Roth actually came out
with a great rock album that got no traction at all in 96 it was
DLR band had Betty page on the cover. Yeah, and, I mean, a
great I think John five was the guitar player on
there. Oh, okay, yeah. Well, when they brought Gary Sharon
in, I think that actually kind of proves my point, that the
fans were like, Okay, enough. Stop changing singers.
Well, and on top of that, Eddie, on that album, played almost
every instrument, like Alex is only playing on a couple of
cuts. I don't think Michael Anthony's playing on much of any
of that album. Eddie was doing everything, yeah, and that,
that's why the and that, that piano piece they did at the end
with Eddie singing lead and Gary Sharon trying to sing, yeah,
what is called the harmony? Which was not good? Oh, it was
awful. It was just pure awful.
What are their what are their least? And I know we're at a Van
Halen tangent here, yeah. I think one of the one of their
most underrated songs as humans being, that was a good song.
I even took my son to
see Van Halen as bad as her Sharon album was. I mean, it
wasn't totally all bad. There were some good cuts on it. It
was a jump the shark album. It was, it was too, it was too off
the charts from what Van Alen was famous for, but the live
show was phenomenal because Sharon was singing everything
both both eras of the band. He could do it, and he did humans
being, and that was one of my son's favorite songs. And he was
10 at the time, and I talked to his mother in to let me because
we were divorcing at the time, and I took him to the concert.
And this is my son at the concert. There were two girls in
front of us that were, you know as rock shows are. These girls
are wearing what halter tops, and they're cute. And we're
about halfway through the concert, and I get a tug on my
shirt. I said, Yeah, buddy, what was he said, Dad, does this
happen in every concert, rock concert? And I said, pretty
much, we go back to listening. And couple songs later, I get
the tug again. Can we go to Aerosmith? Speaking of that's
another band that went through a there was a point where Joe
Perry and Brad Whitford, both the guitar players from
Aerosmith, left. It was after they it was after they did draw
the line that album did, didn't do much of anything, right? And
then they, they had two different guitar players. Man,
they sunk like a rock without Joe Perry, it was just the
magic's gone. Yeah, because the magic was Steve Steven Tyler,
Joe Perry.
But you know, a band that has managed to survive and still
touring and has had a number of personnel changes due to various
reasons, the Eagles. Yes, yes. And, you know, I saw them the
last time they were here in Nashville, you know, with Vince
Gill. And he just, course, Vince is so, oh, he's so amazing, and
could sing and fit in with anything and play Yes, but he
sang a lot of the of the Glen fry vocals, if you will, and
some of the Randy Beisner stuff and but, you know, they've had a
number of people lead, Don Felder, you know, left and
whatnot, sure. But you know, as long as you have Don Henley and
Joe Walsh, well, in fact, that's Timothy B Schmidt, yeah, that,
you know, as we're talking about Chicago before. I mean, those,
those guys, are still the essence of the Eagles well,
and when I got into the Eagles, I really didn't get into the
Eagles when they first came out. You didn't like that country
rock well, that thing, Bernie Lenton was their guitar player,
and it's when they got Joe Walsh, yeah, I thought now
they've got an edge. I like it. And it wasn't that I didn't like
the earlier stuff, because I did like take it easy and some of
those tunes, but I got more into them because I love Joe Walsh,
and I thought he added so much to that band, yeah, and when
they did the Hotel California with him and Felder doing the
twin guitars, my gosh, man, that was just that was
nirvana. Yeah, I saw, I've seen them live a couple of times. The
first time, when I was in college, they played LSU 1980
the long run tour.
Yes, the one they weren't getting along, yeah. But
from a from a musicianship standpoint, I mean, I was just
totally blown away at how good those dudes, oh, you're not.
Dudes were alive, especially, you know,
well, Don Henley singing while playing the drums, yeah, yeah.
And, and he, you know, and he's not a, he's not a crooner, you
know, he's a guy that, you know, he really lays it out there
vocally, yeah? And to not be totally out of breath, you know,
there's a, there's a skill to that. I mean, you know, he
wasn't Karen Carpenter, you know, you know. And she was a
fine drummer, you know, she is kind of underappreciated, but
you know, let's face it, you know, her vocals, you know,
which were pristine and perfect, but still, anyway, so yeah, I
mean being, you know, the rock singer that Henley can be, oh
yeah, and still play the drums, but you know, he, he gets out in
front and plays the guitar a lot. Now, I know when they were
just been a couple of years ago. Now, when Vince Gill was with
him in town, he didn't play drums the whole, the whole show,
really, yeah, you know, he's in his 70s, you know, mid 70s now,
yeah, so, hey, I get it.
Well, it's like Ringo Starr. We've talked about Ringo Starr
on here, and I've heard, I've heard people, you know,
criticize Ringo is playing. And I don't get that because Ringo
really fit the Beatles. And that drum solo you hear, if you
listen to the side too, of Abbey Road, there's a drum solo. A lot
of people thought that was Paul. No, that's Ringo.
Well, that's he does. He does one in
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm
talking
about. Yeah, it's tasteful. Oh, it's very well. Listen to his
drumming on let it be. There are some fills in there that are
just he.
He really like people who throw shade at him. It's like guys, he
was a musical drummer. He is. I'd love to see like when they
come around and they do the all star Yes, I so badly want to go
see it. I keep on missing them.
I see I would too. I would love to go see
this. I
have seen. Well, this was about 10 years ago. I saw Ringo in the
All Star band in Atlantic City. And by far, and my wife agrees,
it's the greatest show we've ever been to. It must be a lot
of fun. It was. I mean, some of the band members the Gary Gosh,
dream weaver, Gary Gary Wright, yeah, Gary Wright was part of
the band. Luther Edgar Winter, wow, was part of the band, rock
and roll. Hoochie COO, Rick Derringer, Rick Deringer. And of
course, he sang that and absolutely ripped it up. Oh, I
bet. And also, Richard page, the lead singer from Mr. Mister,
yeah, and it's saying broken wing. And just, I mean, wow, it
was fantastic. And of course, you know that what the cool
thing about that is, all those guys got to do their songs, you
know? And Ringo, he's just, I mean, have you ever seen an 80
some odd year old man look more relaxed? And more just living
life than ghost star having
fun. Well, I liked his shot. I saw a video of Ringo, and it was
one of Paul's gigs, and they did helter skelter together. Oh my
gosh. I just thought I want to be there. That would be so fun
to watch these two together.
Or what if they just combined with the stones?
Well, they they,
hasn't there been a
little perfect here, guys. Well, they did the stones last album,
the most recent one, they did acne diamonds. There's a great
cut on there that Paul McCarthy plays fuzz base on, and it is
fun. They sound like they're stones and Paul together, they
sound like a young punk band. You can't believe these are 80
year old men. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
But if there's any a band that's that's got permission to
interchange members, it's going to be the all star band. Oh,
yeah. But if Ringo, you know, the event inevitabilities
happen, or whatever happens. He's the heart and soul of that
man. Yes, he is. He cannot. It still be tough for that band to
keep on going. I think
I agree with you. I don't recall them doing and maybe I just
don't remember, but, you know, they did a lot of Ringo stuff
photograph and, you know, but I don't recall them doing any
Beatles stuff during the during the maybe they did, but, yeah,
it was just an absolutely fabulous show. Lot of fun. Oh,
Toto
is another one that's been mixed up. A lot of Yes, of course,
they've had members die. But does anybody really know what
the heart and soul? I don't think they do. I don't think
they do. They're kind of like a nerd band. Yeah, they are, yeah.
They really, Toto is kind of a nerd band.
They're a yacht rock, yeah,
yeah, Duran,
Duran. But, I mean, it's one of those things that they,
I mean, talk about some amazing songs they put out. You know,
they did. They were all just, they were music nerds, yeah, in
the Luther you had the per Caro
brothers. I love lucather. I love hearing interviews with
that guy. Yeah, he's the kind of guy I'd love to meet.
Yeah, he'd be a good interview, a good, good hang, yeah?
Because, I mean, he and EVH did a lot together as well. Yeah,
they did, you know, well.
And thing I like about Luther is he seems like, he seems like a,
you know, just a down to earth guy, guy you could have a beer
with, yep, you know. And no ego. I mean, I'm sure he's got an
ego, but it's not overwhelming. Like, you know, I would look at
David Lee Roth and think there'd be no way
of hanging out with this guy. He's got to be the center of
attention. He's
too into Dave,
you know, after Phil Collins left Genesis, I mean, they had a
replacement singer, yeah, but, I mean, let's face it, Genesis was
Phil Collins, Oh, yeah. And before him, there was Peter
Gabriel, yeah, exactly
before. I mean,
isn't it, isn't it heartbreaking to see Phil Collins now. Oh, it
is, you know, that poor man is, you know, he was still
performing, but, you know, sitting in a wheelchair, and now
he's not even able to do that.
See, I hate seeing artists, and I've seen a couple, especially
country artists, that are they should have parked the bus A
long time ago. Yeah, CO was one of them. He was Johnny. Paycheck
was one of them. Yeah, Johnny got to where he couldn't
breathe. I know it. He would literally had his oxygen tanks
on stage with him. Well, it's kind of like Ernest Tubb. Ernest
tub was that way. It was really weird because I went to see
Linda Ronstadt. This was in 1980 I did a gig in Birmingham,
Alabama, up front and close Linda, no, I know it wasn't on
the front row like the one girl suggested to me. I was up in the
nose, believe. But I went to see Linda Ronstadt. Then two nights
later, I went to this little club in Birmingham, outside
Birmingham, and went to see Ernest Tubb. It was close to
just before he died, and he couldn't breathe
well, much like paycheck,
lifelong smoker, you know. And, yeah, good enough. Yeah, he used
to play a lot of lot of little clubs around Baton Rouge all the
time. And just Justin would be with him quite his son would be
with him quite a bit, you know. And I will say this, there was
nobody nicer than Ernest Tubb. I mean, what a genuine, nice, nice
man, you know, Gary Gentry, you know when he was with us, yes,
told, you know, the story about when he was little, how? Oh,
yeah, Ernest, Ernest Tubb sent him to Hank's house, to Hank's
house when he was 13 or 14 years old. Boy,
someday, I've got to tell you guys the stories about my
parent, my dad, my stepmother, bought Hank Williams house. And
you talk about an interesting place. Oh my gosh, just it had
this huge ballroom, and there was a. Bar, and it had this
heart, and it said Williams, it was in red, and you could light
it up. And it was so cool. And I found out later on that they
sold that to Randy Travis, really, and he put it in his
house in Hawaii.
I was heartbroken. You know, when we were I wanted that, when
we were talking about singers that tried acting, yes, I
actually stumbled across a video on social media yesterday. It
was an episode of Matlock and Randy Travis was, was a guest,
really. And naturally he, you know, he sang a song, yes, but,
and he wasn't bad. He knew pretty
well. I saw him in some movie, and I was shocked at how good he
was. I thought he was very good actor.
And I think he was on the show with Roma Downey. What was that?
Something Touched by an Angel. Yes, I think he had a friend of
mine posted on after we aired, aired, after we put out that
episode of the podcast, she had commented that Randy Travis was
on that touch by an angel as well. But yeah, an episode of
Matlock, he did, did pretty
well, well, and we also, we were talking about people that you
know changed vocations. As far as you know, singers becoming
actors. I had forgotten about Terry Bradshaw recording an
album in Nashville.
Yeah, Johnny Bench, yeah. You know, Hall of Fame baseball
catcher. He too, was a singer.
Well, I found a video, and I put it up on my Facebook. If you go
there, you can see it. But Don Imus was playing Bradshaw's
album on his show. Bradshaw was losing it. He said, quit playing
my album. I think the song was, I want to say plastic Jesus, or
I forget what the name was. I miss ripping them one oh, they
were just having and Bradshaw was going, I'm losing my
friends, my dogs won't even have anything to do with me. He said,
There's a picture of a woman on the back of that she left me. I
know. I hope she dropped off a cliff somewhere. Quit playing
the album. It was hilarious. That's funny.
It makes me think of jelly roll, you know, that you were talking
about, you know, just discovering Randy Travis on
Matlock. And, like, for some reason, like, because, of
course, he had to play a song. And I'm like, they had Jelly
Roll on an episode of Tulsa King. Yeah, they did, yeah, just
randomly, oh yeah, just out of the blue. And it's like, they in
a store, like the whole scene is set in a cannabis store. Yes,
that has a recording studio in it. Anita, so happens to be
there. He's like, Oh, you know, he's played himself, yeah, and,
you know, so I goes up to him. He's like, Oh, I thought you
were the bouncer, Jelly Roll, man. You know, he goes, I'll be
right back. I gotta go cut this track. I'm like, Yeah, cuz
that's how it works. Yeah, they're calling me in, or you're
all partying out here. I gotta go lay down a track of a song
that's already been recorded
in a Weed Shop in Tulsa.
I gotta hand it to Jelly Roll with the weight loss. Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's Eclair now. He's not even no longer Jelly
Roll. He's really, you know, I think he's dropped like 200
pounds, yeah, you know. And for those of us that have, you know,
had tried to lose weight, you know, you really got to admire
that, whether he's using ozempic or what, you know, so what. But
yeah, it's amazing what a personal chef and a yeah, oh
yeah, personal trainer will do. Yes, this is true. You sound
like my wife. You know? It's like, yeah. Jane Seymour, I
could look like that if I had personal trainers and all the
money in the world,
we'll get there, Jay
and all those folks that would like to be a part of our podcast
by helping sponsor things. We are certainly open. Oh, we're
very open to that, open to discussing that. You know, we
got a nice, reasonable, we got a nice email yesterday, I copied
you on the response. The guy goes by the name hurricane, I
believe, yeah. And, you know, he sent us an email about how much
he enjoys the podcast and stuff. And when he was especially
commenting the episode with Gary Gentry, and I know we keep
bringing that up, because we've gotten such fabulous response,
oh yeah, because Gary is such a great storyteller. Yes, he is,
but he had sent us along his version. He's also an artist in
a race. Radio guy. He had sent us links to his version of the
ride. He had recorded the ride and actually said he was new
Gary from performing at some Hank Williams
events. Oh, yeah, down at the Hank Williams museum Museum,
yeah.
But anyway, my point is, we love to hear from folks. Yes, we
know, whether it be through messaging on social media or
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support.
Well, keep them coming and we've got more episodes on the way. We
got special guests coming your way. Very interesting people.
More interesting than us, trust me, maybe a little bit, maybe a
little bit, but I appreciate you. Know, I couldn't ask for
two guys to do this with, better than you two. You two are just
phenomenal to work with. Like, I mean, it's
been fun. It's been a lot of it's just gonna keep getting
funner,
yeah, we'll get on her. And hopefully one day, you know,
we'll all be so rich that we can lose weight like Eclair. I mean,
jelly.
There is life after radio.
Yes, there is. And you were the one that told me that, and you
were exactly right, and we'll have more life after radio on
the next episode of circling the drink you.