"When you’re feeling fear, instead of turning away from it or trying to escape/avoid it … try turning towards it. Actually allow yourself to feel the fear. We don’t often want to feel it, but we have a greater capacity to feel fear than we give ourselves credit for."
– Leo Babauta
😨 How Zen Habits evolved into his mission to help others push into their uncertainty.
👨🎓 How Leo unschooled and de-programmed his kids to facilitate their own natural state of curiosity.
🚀 Leo's compelling case for why a fully-optimised life would actually suck and risks being the most controlled boring thing possible.
💪 Developing and training 'radical curiosity' to dive inwards even when you don't like what you're seeing—how to hold the pose when you're entire body wants to shut down and run.
🤼 What he's learned about learning and his no-holds-barred debate with Tim Ferriss on the idea of abandoning goals.
🧘♂️ The incredible Zen Habits origin story – his path from being in debt, overweight, a smoker and feeling miserable to escaping debt, gaining a following of over a million readers, publishing books on habit-change, finding joy and even running an ultra-marathon!
📝 Read the Full Transcript here over on Medium
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What is Curious Humans with Jonny Miller?
In our productivity obsessed culture we struggle to justify investing time or money into something that doesn’t have a defined outcome—this podcast is a journey to turn the lens of curiosity back on itself and nudge the rest of us 'grown-ups' to take their curiosity more seriously.