1 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:07,620 Rick coming to you from crash studios in Music City, USA, 2 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:12,540 Nashville. This is the rich Redmond show. 3 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:21,200 What's up? Rock and roll. Yep, your iPhone, your clock, your 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,320 watch is correct. It's time for another exciting episode of the 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,480 rich Redmond show where we talk about all things music, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,540 motivation and success. We love these things. These are things 7 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:33,320 that drive us, inspire us. I interview a lot of singers. 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,280 There's some comedians, but hey, this is a drum show. I love 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,380 talking to my drum brethren and sister in it's a fraternity. 10 00:00:41,380 --> 00:00:44,920 It's a sorority. We love it. We lift each other up. This is very 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,060 exciting day, because this young drummer has just been taking the 12 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:53,320 world by storm, hailing from Mount Washington, Kentucky, 13 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:57,580 since 2021 has been the touring drummer with the award winning 14 00:00:57,580 --> 00:01:02,820 country rap Kingpin, Jelly Roll. I'm talking about our friend 15 00:01:02,820 --> 00:01:04,620 Cody ash. What's up? Cody 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,260 yo mines, dude, it is so good, so so good to be here, man, I, I 17 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:14,820 could not be more grateful and blessed to to be asked to come 18 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:18,960 on the show. Man, you, you have, you've been, uh, you know, you 19 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,440 know a lot of lot of drummers. I'm sure you know it, but like, 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,080 you know you, you're an influence to a lot of drummers 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,160 and and myself included. And you know, I've, yeah, this is, this 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,620 is awesome, and I'm glad that we've created our own 23 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:33,440 friendship. But like, this is, I'm not the, I'm not the guy 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,180 that's going to play cool bro. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm very, very, 25 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:42,640 very grateful. Yeah, you, you're, you're, you're a legacy 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,480 drummer. Man, you're, you're, your name will live in infamy of 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,380 of drummers, and it's just, it's very cool to be here with you. 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Man, I'm honored to consider you a friend. So this is awesome, 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,580 likewise, man, and congratulations on all your 30 00:01:57,580 --> 00:01:58,540 success, brother. 31 00:01:59,380 --> 00:02:03,600 Thank you. Man, it's, it's, it's, it's been awesome. It's a 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,220 blessing, man. It's been a, you know, it's, it's been a grind 33 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:13,440 for years and years and years and a lot of tears and busting 34 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:19,020 and kissing. And, you know, whatever we're doing it, you 35 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:24,140 know what I'm talking about, though, and you know, so many 36 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:26,540 times there's this, you're in a room and you just gotta be 37 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:28,880 quiet, even though you don't want to be and you gotta be nice 38 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,720 to people that you don't want to be nice to sometimes. And it's a 39 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,960 lot of, there's some kicking you gotta do to get to it, you know. 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:36,140 But 41 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:38,720 well, you know what you're, you know, you're just a likable guy. 42 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,820 I remember last year we will. There's a story, I think, 43 00:02:42,820 --> 00:02:45,640 because we met each other at the red door, the infamous red door 44 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,040 where I have mixed business and pleasure for many, many years. A 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,260 couple of years back, and you were nice enough to introduce 46 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:52,180 yourself. You're like, I'm playing with this cat named 47 00:02:52,180 --> 00:02:54,460 Jelly Roll. I'm like, Oh my God, that's so cool. And then couple 48 00:02:54,460 --> 00:02:56,800 years later, this guy is, like, one of the biggest things on the 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,400 planet. So incredible. But when, yeah, last year at the CMT 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,700 awards, I was playing this house band, and we got to, like, you 51 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:08,100 know, kick it a little bit. And we were on the same Southwest 52 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,800 flight, almost of the entire music industry on this flight 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,560 back to Nashville. I hope this plane doesn't go down, right, 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,640 yeah, uh, Billy give or was it Billy Gibbons, one of the ZZ Top 55 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:22,640 Yeah, yeah, one of the ZZ Top guys was on, was on that flight 56 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,420 too. And, like, Hardy and, like, you know, that was such an 57 00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:28,400 awesome flight, dude. That was a party. 58 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:32,660 You're up and down the aisles. You're visiting with everyone. 59 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:35,300 You're high fiving people, you're kissing people. You're 60 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:38,660 doing the thing I'm like, This guy is gonna, like, he has 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,620 kicked the door open, and it's probably going to stay open for 62 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:44,740 a very long time, because you can play, man, I've seen you 63 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:47,140 play with Jelly Roll. And then when I got to do a deep dive, 64 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:49,420 and I got to see some of your drum covers and stuff you're 65 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:52,540 doing Nickelback stuff, you're doing some some like you did the 66 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:55,300 little NAS song, little, you know, and it's like, you're, 67 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:59,500 you've got some serious modern day, I hate to say gospel chops, 68 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,980 but I mean, you have some serious like hand foot 69 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:04,980 combinations, plus you're in a bunch of metal bands, so you got 70 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:07,860 the speed on the feet and stuff. So really, really cool style. So 71 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:11,160 I'm like, but this guy's personality, he's approachable, 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,940 he's larger than life, he's friendly. Never forgets a name. 73 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:18,600 I mean, you are gonna be doing just fine in this industry. 74 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:18,900 Thank 75 00:04:18,900 --> 00:04:22,820 you, dude. That's, that's, that's, that's crazy to hear you 76 00:04:22,820 --> 00:04:26,000 say, Man, that's, that's amazing. I couldn't ask for 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,760 anything more. And, like, I mean, I feel like you really, 78 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:34,220 you know, you really nailed my personality, because I'm, I'm 79 00:04:34,220 --> 00:04:38,240 very, I'm a very big personality, dude. Yes, I could 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,680 be loud, but I'm also, like, a little something pretty like, 81 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,620 self aware of, like, when I'm if I'm being too loud, and then I 82 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:47,380 gotta tame myself down. But, yeah, man, I just, I love 83 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:50,080 meeting people, and I love talking to people and like, I've 84 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,760 just never been like, even when I would, like, fill in for bands 85 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,020 or like, anything like that. You know, I've just always been even 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,260 like, I would fill in for. Bands, and I wasn't even in 87 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:04,080 their band, but I was like, Okay, how can I help these 88 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,620 people, like, get further? Okay, I know I'm not in their band, 89 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,460 but how can I help promote them? And I would, like, Go stand 90 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:15,060 outside at their shows and like, like, I would play their set, 91 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:17,100 I'd be filling in, I'd play their set, and then I'd go, 92 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:21,080 like, hustle their CDs, or like, hustle their merch, or like, try 93 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,600 to meet people and be like, Oh yeah, I'm not their permanent 94 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,360 drummer. But like, you got, you need to listen to these guys 95 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,040 like they're incredible. You want to buy a 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,040 CD, and they're like, You should be, you should be their regular 97 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,600 job, dude. I'll 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,180 just be hustling for like, anyone I could and like, but 99 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:38,840 also, I was through that, I was able to make like, my own 100 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,880 friendships and like, you know, create like relationships with 101 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,080 people that you know, even, even if I, even if I don't see them 102 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,100 or like not able to talk to them like, I hope that they still 103 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,460 took like, if they hear my name, they still like, took a good 104 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:57,400 memory from like, even if it was one interaction, you know, like, 105 00:05:57,580 --> 00:06:00,960 because one one, it only takes One interaction for someone to 106 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,160 like, decide whether they're gonna like you or not. You know, 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,220 like, it's because, if that first interaction is bad, the 108 00:06:08,220 --> 00:06:12,240 odds of you ever being creating a friendship or anything with 109 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,080 that person is is very unlikely. But, yeah, I mean, I just, I try 110 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,440 to like, I'm not perfect. I've, you know, I'm a I'm a sinner, 111 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:24,980 I'm I'm a, I'm a human, you know, and so sometimes I have my 112 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:28,400 bad days. And I'm sure there's people that I've, you know, come 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,300 in contact with accidentally, that just caught me on it, not 114 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:35,300 the right day, and I maybe fuss about something, but, you know, 115 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,380 I hope to, I hope, if I ever do running those people, I can have 116 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:42,100 that conversation and correct that wrong. But, you know, and 117 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:45,280 it's just, I just, I love meeting, and I love talking to 118 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,060 people, and I love like, we all just, do you, we just all have 119 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:56,020 so we just all have a different story. And to, like, really, you 120 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:58,480 know, listen to someone, and to, like, really understand you can, 121 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,380 you can, like, learn something from just about anybody, you 122 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:04,200 know, I'm saying, like, even, even you can apply that and you 123 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,220 can apply that lesson into just everything that you do. Like, 124 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,120 there's so many drummers that I feel don't realize that. Like, 125 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:18,540 even if you I feel like some drummers really compare and 126 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:22,040 contrast, like, oh, I can do that, or, like, I'm able to do 127 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,340 that, or this, you know, so and so they, like, won't deep dive 128 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:27,680 into a drummer, because they feel that they have nothing to 129 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,560 learn from them. But like, but the thing is, is you can take 130 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,300 something away from any, anybody. And like, not only, not 131 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,260 only drums, but like, just in life in general, like, there's 132 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:43,540 a, you know, there's probably a guy out here that I could go 133 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:46,480 learn a life lesson from that has experienced something 134 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,200 different in life than I have. Like, I learned, I learned 135 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,780 lessons from my girlfriend all the time. Like she, you know, 136 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:55,360 she's lived a different life than I have, and she's, you 137 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,180 know, even though she's a little bit younger than me, like she's 138 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,460 experienced so many things that I, like, have never come in 139 00:08:02,460 --> 00:08:05,220 contact with and you know, so there's just, I think there's 140 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:07,800 just, there's something that you can learn from everyone. And 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,560 even, like I said, even with drumming like you, even if you 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,920 feel that like you can play what another person's playing, or 143 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,340 like whatever, like, we're all so different and think 144 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:21,260 differently, like they may approach a fill differently than 145 00:08:21,260 --> 00:08:25,580 you do. And like, you can take that and learn from it and roll 146 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:27,980 with it and create your own thing. Like, there you can just 147 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:31,640 take something from everyone, but, yeah, I love talking to 148 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,560 people. Man. I love, I love, I love, I like, I like talking to 149 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:37,820 people a lot. Yeah, you're 150 00:08:37,819 --> 00:08:40,599 definitely a people person. It definitely shows and you're just 151 00:08:40,839 --> 00:08:43,659 stealing stuff from people left and right, and putting in your 152 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:46,179 bag of tricks. And I stole some stuff from you today. Man. I was 153 00:08:46,179 --> 00:08:48,639 watching some sort of a interview for Zildjian or 154 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:51,579 something, and there was a ticker on the bottom with the 155 00:08:51,579 --> 00:08:54,759 transcription of all your fills. And I was like, I was like, I 156 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:58,119 was I was okay, that's what he's doing. Otherwise, I'd have to 157 00:08:58,119 --> 00:09:00,519 really slow it down. But I'm a good reader, so I read it. I was 158 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:03,179 like, oh my god, I'm going to put that in my back pocket. So, 159 00:09:03,299 --> 00:09:08,819 yo, I think, I think that was my interview with Dan Kirby. Yes, 160 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:11,459 bro, I don't know if you guys know each other, but I 161 00:09:11,459 --> 00:09:15,119 definitely have to link y'all man, he is awesome. He's He's a 162 00:09:15,119 --> 00:09:17,579 dude from Australia. He plays for, like, he plays with, like, 163 00:09:17,579 --> 00:09:20,359 a lot of different people, and he's just an awe. He like, does 164 00:09:20,359 --> 00:09:23,059 stuff for Diligent Australia and everything. And he's just an 165 00:09:23,059 --> 00:09:25,939 awesome, awesome dude to talk to, but he, he is actually the 166 00:09:25,939 --> 00:09:29,899 one that transcribed all of that and, like, put it on paper. And 167 00:09:29,899 --> 00:09:32,659 because I've been wanting to do that for a really long time, but 168 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:36,679 I don't know the forms to use for that, so he did it. And I 169 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,939 was like, Yo, this is thick. Yeah, 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,020 no. I mean, people are going to be stealing from me. Now, it's 171 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:43,600 written out. It's for all time, but I'm just talking to you. I 172 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,980 get the real a sense of just how important music and drumming is 173 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:51,160 in your life, and just how hard this has been, because I'm 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,880 looking back much like me. You know, you're in the fifth grade 175 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,780 band, and then I believe correct me if I'm wrong, but you did one 176 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:02,160 year in the marching band at. University of Louisville, and 177 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,280 there was all sorts of bands. You had your first, I think your 178 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,880 first concert was Molly crew, and you got your first drum set 179 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,420 at 14, and then you're touring the world with a metal band. 180 00:10:12,420 --> 00:10:15,000 What was, what was that band? What was that experience like? 181 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,580 Because you're saying it was a grind, it was a hustle, I can 182 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:20,340 imagine, especially if it's a do it yourself situation. You're in 183 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:21,260 bands, you're 184 00:10:23,299 --> 00:10:27,199 like, it didn't even start, like, it's Yeah. So I, like, 185 00:10:27,199 --> 00:10:32,239 started in metal when I was, like, coming into it, like, back 186 00:10:32,239 --> 00:10:35,539 in like, 2009 I joined my first metal core band. We didn't 187 00:10:35,539 --> 00:10:38,599 really do anything, we, we, it was just, like, bunch of friends 188 00:10:38,599 --> 00:10:40,899 that just got together and, like, whatever. Like my first 189 00:10:40,899 --> 00:10:46,119 band ever was, was a hair metal band called bullet when I was a 190 00:10:46,119 --> 00:10:49,239 sophomore in high school, and we all did the makeup and all that 191 00:10:49,239 --> 00:10:52,179 good stuff, like tease the hair, and it was a glam band. 192 00:10:52,179 --> 00:10:53,079 It was a glam Yeah, it's 193 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,200 a glam band now. So my first band ever was a glam band, and 194 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,200 we were not a cover band. We played originals. We wrote 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,600 originals, like we just were 15 and didn't have money to go 196 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,000 record it, you know, and our parents were, like, thought it 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,820 was just a phase, so they didn't want to put money to go. And 198 00:11:08,820 --> 00:11:11,040 obviously they didn't know anything. None of our parents 199 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,560 were involved in music, so they didn't know anything about 200 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,800 recording or how to go about it. So we just never did. We just 201 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,020 played shows we won, like, a battle of bands, whatever. And 202 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:22,460 then that fell apart, you know, just high school kids grow apart 203 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:27,800 and become a senior, and I joined this, this we me and my 204 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,440 friends make this heavy band, and didn't really do anything. 205 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,320 But through that, I playing, that's when I got introduced to 206 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 the local scene. That's when I figured out that bands, like, 207 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,960 there was local bands I like, didn't know that existed, 208 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,980 because I thought that any band that played on stage was, like, 209 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:46,360 a really, was just a big deal. And so like, you know, I'd go, I 210 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,820 started going to these local shows, and I'd, you know, be in 211 00:11:48,820 --> 00:11:52,060 a room with like, 100 150 kids, and just seeing bands playing. 212 00:11:52,060 --> 00:11:55,720 I'm like, Oh, this is so cool. I wish I could do this. And yeah, 213 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,620 so through that, I ended up joining this band. There's a 214 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:02,940 couple bands in between, but then I joined this band, oh 215 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:08,160 kingdom, and they that was my first band that I ever toured 216 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,600 with. We were, we were like a metal core band, and I booked 217 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,740 all of our tours. And with the help of, like the first tour, I 218 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:19,980 had help from someone else. But beyond that, it was like I 219 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:26,360 booked all of our tours from 2011 to 2016 and we were in a 15 220 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,360 passenger van. And, you know, I slept on the bottom bunk. And, 221 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:34,100 yeah, dude, but 222 00:12:34,099 --> 00:12:36,799 you got some skills together where you had to, you got to 223 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:40,399 plan a budget and when loading is and what the mileage isn't 224 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:42,939 get all the routing, and make sure you get somewhere to soap 225 00:12:42,939 --> 00:12:43,959 and so 226 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,240 at that, I will say, Oh, crap, I'm sorry. Um, at that time I 227 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,080 didn't know anything, yeah, no, I have my, my, my, god, my 228 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,480 little, uh, it's a, it's a cap. It's like a little diamond cap. 229 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,980 All right, okay, I, like, accidentally hit it and it 230 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:08,220 popped out. But no, so we I didn't really know anything 231 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:12,240 about that. I was just mad young. I was like, I think I was 232 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,480 18 or 19, and not knowing a single thing than what I did. I 233 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,140 just knew that I need to contact venues and promoters and other 234 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:22,220 local bands in different cities. And I didn't, I knew I wasn't 235 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:24,920 going to make money. I was like, I just want to get on the road, 236 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,140 like, whatever. Let's just get our name out there, because I 237 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,600 thought that's what we had to do. So booked all these tours, 238 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,120 and, you know, did some fun stuff. It was my funnest memory, 239 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 some of my funnest memories, man, like, you know, we didn't 240 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,060 know we were doing. We were just young and, like, we just would 241 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:41,200 save up money to go on tour and then come back home and work and 242 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,340 then save up money and go 243 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,760 on debt, come back in debt, and you're like, what am I gonna 244 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,840 Yeah, yeah. 245 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,140 And, well, you would just be stoked if we, like, made, like, 246 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:53,560 sold, like, $100 in merch or something, you know, say it was, 247 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,840 we were in a van, and we were just, you know, we were just 248 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,260 doing it. The drives were ridiculous, and it was crazy, 249 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:01,860 but it was so fun. Like, I wouldn't take that back for 250 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:02,220 anything, 251 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:05,400 but you're managing now, right? I mean, so you got some skill 252 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,100 sets. You're managing. I've learned. 253 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,380 I've learned a lot more so, so, so I'll tie into that through 254 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:18,120 the story. But so through Oh kingdom, I started getting 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,440 noticed because we were touring, and other bands were hitting me 256 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,200 up to fill in. So it's like, oh, this is a perfect opportunity to 257 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:30,080 like, promote my band. And so we I started touring with these 258 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,220 other bands, but was selling my band CDs and their band CDs to 259 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:36,980 like, just try and like, get everyone's name out there and 260 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:41,980 get my name out there in the same time. And so through that, 261 00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:45,160 I ended up doing my first like national tour, where I went to 262 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Canada and did full us with this band called Siler, and I was 263 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,680 filling in for a band called beyond the shore. So it was 264 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,140 beyond the shore, and Siler and we did, like some northeast 265 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:59,320 states, and then we went to did Canada be on the shore, and so 266 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,100 on and so. Forth. Well, through that, I became friends with this 267 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:05,040 band called Siler, and over the next three years, I was filling 268 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,320 in for other bands and still touring without kingdom. And 269 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,560 then in 2016 I was filling in for this band called 270 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,980 picturesque, and we were on the way home from a US tour that we 271 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:18,840 just did, still in a van, still still in the van. Um, this is 272 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,220 2016 still in the van, and get a call from Siler, and they're 273 00:15:22,220 --> 00:15:24,860 like, Yo, can you, what are you doing next week? Can you come do 274 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:26,840 the show? And I was like, Yeah. And they were like, What do you 275 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,200 want for pay? And I was like, Hey, I don't know. I've never 276 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,720 been paid before, so I don't know. Like, I don't know what to 277 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,260 ask. I was like, honestly, in my in my head, I was like, this is 278 00:15:36,260 --> 00:15:39,320 an opportunity to get to the next level. So I was like, You 279 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,940 know what? Don't pay me. Just cover my gas. I'll drive to New 280 00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:46,960 York and we'll play this show. So sure enough, got home, 281 00:15:47,020 --> 00:15:51,040 learned the songs, drove to New York, played the show, and then 282 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,220 drove back home, and then they asked me to do it again. So I 283 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:56,500 went and did the same thing again. And I was just like, I'm 284 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:59,200 going to show these I'm dedicated, like I want them to 285 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,180 ask me to join. And then they asked me to do a tour with them 286 00:16:03,180 --> 00:16:06,960 in July of 2016 and then it was that tour that they were like, 287 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,920 Hey, we're, we're going to add you to the band, but as like a 288 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,440 permanent fill in. So I was a, I was a part of, I joined silent 289 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,120 in 2016 as a permanent fill in, became an official member in 290 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,860 2018 but we did, like, that's when I got in promos and stuff, 291 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:29,240 or, you know, whatever you want to call it, and so through that, 292 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:33,320 I did, like, a lot of my extensive touring with them. 293 00:16:34,220 --> 00:16:39,200 That's where I went to, like Japan and Europe and Australia. 294 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:44,260 Puerto Rico did, like, multiple us tours. But sadly, there was 295 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:47,440 just never, never any momentum behind them. And then there was 296 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,100 like a up with with the label, like, really, the label they 297 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:57,160 were on, really dropped the ball. And it kind of just, you 298 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,320 know, the guys had been doing it for a long time. So there was 299 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,800 just kind of like this weird energy where it was like, you 300 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,440 know, they had been doing it for like, eight or nine years, and 301 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:09,240 it was just kind of, I felt bad. It was just a weird situation, 302 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,260 but I wasn't ready to stop. So I was like, I'm going to do 303 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:17,100 whatever I can. And so then covid hit, and obviously 304 00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:21,200 Nashville wasn't really shutting down, and Kentucky wasn't really 305 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,780 shutting down. So I was like, this is my opportunity to like. 306 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,240 So I started going to Nashville a whole lot because I picked up 307 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:33,140 this band called Devil's cut, and we were the guy that we were 308 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:36,320 recording with in Columbus. Ended up getting hired by jelly 309 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:40,900 to work out of his studio. And so I was going down, me and 310 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:45,040 Devil's cut were going down to write and record songs and doing 311 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,340 it like the Nashville way. Because noone in metal is was 312 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:51,400 doing it the Nashville way at that time. Like, no one in metal 313 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,860 was, like, going out and, like, riding with dudes in Nashville. 314 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:56,140 And I was like, This is what they need. Like, this is what we 315 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:58,420 need to do. No one's doing this. Let's do this country rock 316 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:01,080 thing. Like, I'm going to help you guys out. No one's doing 317 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,960 country rock like this was before Hardy started putting 318 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,620 breakdowns in his songs. Uh, Lakeview was just coming out 319 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:10,980 like they were, they were, they were way ahead of it. They just 320 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:13,980 haven't got the love that they deserve yet. But anyways, yeah, 321 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:17,580 so that that led me into managing, but I picked them up, 322 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:19,860 and I was going to Nashville all the time. And through that, 323 00:18:19,860 --> 00:18:22,520 that's when I started going to red door, which is when we met. 324 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,380 And because I was like, Hey, that was told I was hanging out 325 00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:34,580 with Jake summers from and then I was, do you remember Kenny 326 00:18:34,580 --> 00:18:39,260 Dixon before he passed? Yes, of course. I was oh, yo, oh, my 327 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:43,240 god, Rich. I completely forgot to tell you this, bro, I forgot 328 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,280 to tell you this. Kenny was my introduction into country. Or 329 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,460 it's not, not into country. I grew up in Kentucky, so I was 330 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:55,960 around country, but he, Kenny Dixon, was the reason that he 331 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,260 was my first time ever going backstage to a country show to 332 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:05,280 do like that networking. And so it was on your all's tour, Kane 333 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,380 was direct support for you guys. Yes, I 334 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:08,340 believe it was 2019 335 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:13,680 Yeah, it was, it was 2019, and Kane was direct support for you. 336 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,580 Was, it was fall. It was a month before he passed away. Yeah, um, 337 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:21,080 so unfortunate, so unfortunate dude. It killed me when I got 338 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,320 that news, because me and him had just created a friendship, 339 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,200 and it was it, dude, it killed me to find that out. Like, but 340 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,380 he, he, like, I started, like, networking with all these 341 00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:34,400 different drummers that I didn't know were in the country world, 342 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,940 but also knew who I was for metal. So like, miles from Cody 343 00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:43,780 Johnson, Kenny Jake summers, uh, taco with Morgan. Like, yeah, 344 00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:47,140 um, all those dudes were, like, already following me, and I had 345 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:52,300 no idea, and I was like, Oh, Like, I need to, like, talk to 346 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:55,900 these guys. Like, these guys can, like, help me give advice 347 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:59,680 on what I need to do, sure, because I was turning 2627 and I 348 00:19:59,680 --> 00:19:59,920 really. 349 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,360 Makes sense to not go in a circle, but to be like, you 350 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,300 know, CDE, you know, whatever it is, so on and so forth. Like to 351 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,140 go just like this, but instead of a going, because if you went 352 00:25:10,140 --> 00:25:12,540 like this, your hands wouldn't be able to, like, go in a 353 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:16,440 circle. But the fact that it's staggered, it helps, like, with 354 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,800 the movement, which is like, whole crazy thing to think 355 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,200 about, that someone was able to come up with that concept. But, 356 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:31,580 dude, yeah, so so that going there, I ended up meeting, like, 357 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:35,180 a lot of, like, college percussion, people and stuff, 358 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,160 and kept in contact with until my my freshman year of college. 359 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,020 Well, I ended up getting asked to join the intercollegiate 360 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:48,220 steel band my freshman year. So which is basically like the 361 00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:50,440 University of Kentucky, University of Louisville, 362 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,680 Eastern Kentucky, Western Kentucky and I think Northern 363 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,400 Kentucky University all get together and bring their steel 364 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,140 bands in. They, like, choose two to three people out of each of 365 00:26:01,140 --> 00:26:04,860 their percussion groups, and they bring them into Eastern 366 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:07,260 Kentucky, because Eastern Kentucky has, like, the steel 367 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:12,120 band, whatever, and we all just do pieces and we put on a show. 368 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,780 But through that, I ended up meeting all these juniors and 369 00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:21,800 seniors at college that knew all this and they took me into their 370 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,420 dorm, and I stayed with them and that, and it was a whole 371 00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:29,600 percussion. It was only percussionists and only 372 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,060 drummers. And so they introduced me to gospel chops dude, which 373 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:38,840 is where I got, in fact, which is where my whole idea of 374 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,620 drumming changed, because at that time, all I knew was metal. 375 00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:44,860 And I was like, oh yeah. Like, if it's not double bass or, 376 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:47,800 like, if it's not this, well, it's, it's, it's whack. But then 377 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,660 I saw gospel drumming, and I my whole world completely changed, 378 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,600 and my whole outlook on drumming changed and and I just, I became 379 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,880 obsessed, like I started in incorporating gospel chops into, 380 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,720 like, metal and then, like, because of my country 381 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,920 background, I just already had that and, like, but yeah, so So 382 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,700 I did, I did March. That's when I got really introduced to, 383 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,160 like, a bunch of the different rudiments and so on and so 384 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,340 forth. Because I was only really taught basically, like, the 385 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:24,380 basic, basic rudiments at high school. And that's no, that's 386 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:27,140 nothing against, like the band teachers or anything. It's just, 387 00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:30,980 there's no funding for music at that school there. There wasn't, 388 00:27:30,980 --> 00:27:32,540 there wasn't. But now, I 389 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:35,300 mean, your hands, dude, I'm just saying, like, there's not a lot 390 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,820 of metal guys, a lot of lot of metal guys will focus on their 391 00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:42,520 feet, you know, China, halftime, you know what I mean. And their 392 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,940 hands are okay, but you, you have, like, an extreme control 393 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,820 over your accent and your unexpected your unexpe notes 394 00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:51,520 are. That's what everyone should strive for. Is very, very close 395 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,740 to the head. So there's that rolling motion, there's that 396 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:58,660 percolation. Very good, very good hands, man, you know, open 397 00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,420 strokes, it's great. 398 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:05,940 That means a world that you notice that because the amount 399 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:10,560 of time, and honestly, I need to get back on it, because I feel 400 00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:14,940 like I've I'm going to say something very real to you right 401 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:19,560 now. I feel like I've fallen we've been so busy that I 402 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,120 haven't got to like, you'll, you'll, you'll probably 403 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,180 understand what I'm about to say. We've been so busy that I 404 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:31,280 haven't got to just be with myself and my drum kit. And I 405 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,580 can't tell you how long I haven't been able to, like, sit 406 00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:41,560 down and learn new things, and I like, and like, just be with my 407 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,460 drums in in so long, and I feel like it's kind of like held me 408 00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:54,460 back, almost to a sense where I would sit for hours could and 409 00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,860 the reason, sorry, I'm bringing this up because what you just 410 00:28:56,860 --> 00:29:00,480 said means a lot, because I used to sit for hours and work on 411 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,980 stick heights. I would sit and be like, I would go off of a 412 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:09,540 scale of 369, 1215, so it'd be like, you know, three would be 413 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:14,040 like your lowest of lowest ghost zones. And I'd do like, I don't 414 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,760 know, a minute of it, and then I'd go to six and do a minute of 415 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,960 that. And I'd go to nine, and then I go to 12, and then I go 416 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440 to 15, and then I'd go, I'd go to the right hand, or I'd go 417 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,780 back down, and then I go to the right hand. And then I'd do them 418 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:32,420 together, and I would that one exercise alone takes every bit 419 00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:37,640 of like, 15 to 20 minutes. You know, I'm saying, if you do each 420 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,320 one for a minute, yeah, and, and, dude, I spent so much time 421 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,560 on that because I really, really wanted to pride myself on ghost 422 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,380 notes. Because the metal drummers that I looked up to at 423 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:51,160 the time, I still look up to, I still think they're the most 424 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,840 incredible drummers ever, but the that I looked up to, they 425 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,660 all had really good ghost notes. And I was like, I want to be 426 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,780 like. Like, on that level. So I, like, did everything that I 427 00:30:03,780 --> 00:30:08,220 could to like, be to like, get my notes like that, also like 428 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:11,280 marching band as well, because we had to do stick heights for 429 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,880 marching band. But yeah, yeah, I marched my freshman year at the 430 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,080 University of Louisville, and then my band started touring. 431 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,700 And I went to my marching band instructor, and she said, she 432 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:26,600 said, Good, bless her soul. She 433 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:28,940 usher them. It's also them. You gotta choose. 434 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Yep, she was, she was like, yeah, if you miss a game, it's a 435 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840 letter grade. And I was like, Okay, I'm going on tour. 436 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Awesome. But so, but yeah, man, yeah, I, yeah. I did a lot of I 437 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680 did quite a bit of schooling, but I wish I could have got into 438 00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:48,460 marching band sooner. But like I said, my my high school was so 439 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:53,380 not oriented for anything with music they like, just didn't 440 00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:57,640 give a so I was like, I was like, I wanted to play football 441 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840 and March, but my coach was literally like, No, you have to 442 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,260 choose. You can't, you can't suit up for the game and then 443 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:06,780 not be in the locker room at halftime, because you have to go 444 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,600 march and put on a show or whatever. I was like, I could 445 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,240 just not do the show. Like, can I just do the competition? He's 446 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520 like, Well, what's the point of being a marching band if you're 447 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920 not going to do the halftime shows, like, you want to play 448 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,080 football, or do you want to do this? And I was like, Dude, I 449 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,560 want to play football. Like, you know, saying, like, yeah, no, 450 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,240 but obviously, inevitably, we see where, where I was meant to 451 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,700 end up, I hope. But I 452 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,660 always think about journeys and decisions in life, because I was 453 00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:35,540 thinking like, you know, I kind of discovered I was never really 454 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:38,960 like an athlete as a young kid, I discovered my inner athlete 455 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,700 later in life, because I was so focused on the music thing. And 456 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:44,920 I was always, you know, in the last decade, I got really 457 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440 interested in acting. I was like, what would have been cool 458 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,260 if I had actually done that in high school and developed some 459 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:53,260 of those skills. But I was just so, so hyper focused on music, 460 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,780 just like you, you've been focusing on this thing for a 461 00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:59,440 very long time. And usually when you get this life changing 462 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,160 opportunity, a life changing opportunity like playing with 463 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,600 jelly. It usually comes down to relationships. Is that what 464 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,780 happened? How did you get the job? Um, 465 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:15,360 so how I got the job with jelly was, was literally, yeah, bring 466 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,480 it. Bringing it back to where I found out that, you know, a 467 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,900 couple of these country drummers were already following me. So I 468 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,300 reached out, and I was like, Hey, let's get lunch and like, 469 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:28,580 because my whole thing, my whole life, has been networking and 470 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:32,300 creating relationships, even, even if nothing comes of the 471 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,920 relationship, like just having that relationship and doing the 472 00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:40,600 introduction in general, is so so, so important, man. Like, 473 00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:45,400 even like, so important. You know, like, like, not that no 474 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,820 one is more important than any other person. But like, like, no 475 00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:52,660 one's above anybody. But, but create. You know, when you meet 476 00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:55,420 someone and networking and creating those relationships is 477 00:32:55,420 --> 00:33:00,100 like so vital to like, anything that you do in life, you know 478 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,120 saying, because you never know who someone knows, and you never 479 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,900 know like, what someone is capable of doing like, you don't 480 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,480 know if like, they'd be willing to help you, or so on and so 481 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,140 forth, but it's like, you don't go into meeting these people 482 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,500 expecting that they're here to help you. It's just to create 483 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,960 the friendship and to create the relationship and like, that's 484 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,980 the most important part of it. But, you know, when I saw that 485 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,160 these drummers who were playing for artists that I was listening 486 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,180 to were following me, I just, I just never thought, like, you 487 00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:31,400 know, when I thought country, I was just like, oh, they, you 488 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,820 know, they get hired in like, you know, they're they 489 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:36,980 interchange like, they don't ever have the same band. And 490 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,320 then I was like, Oh, wait no, they do have the same band. They 491 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,020 just put the promotional focus on the artist, yes, and, and I 492 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:46,780 was like, So that's what I found, you know, found out all 493 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:50,560 these drummers. And so I like, hit, you know, talk to Kenny 494 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,440 Dixon. And then, like, I hit Jake summers up, and we happen 495 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,540 to be in LA at the same time, and I went and met up with him, 496 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:04,380 and we got lunch in like, 2019, and, and I was like, dude, like, 497 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,640 you know, not to like, be that guy. I was like, but what I was 498 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,940 like, how did, how do I get into this? Like, what do I do? And he 499 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:15,540 brought up a conversation that he had with you, yeah. And he 500 00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:19,080 was like, bro, when I met rich, he was like, rich literally told 501 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080 me he was like, the best decision that you could ever 502 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,960 make in life was, is to move to Nashville. Like, if you're 503 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,320 trying to make something happen, so on and so forth, like you 504 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,840 have to move to Nashville. And he was like, I think that he was 505 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,920 in because was it, I might get stories picked up, but you used 506 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,700 to live in Ohio. 507 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,020 No, I'm from Connecticut, and then grew up. Okay, maybe Texas, 508 00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:39,980 but yeah, okay, maybe, 509 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,460 maybe if it was Jake Finn or Jake, 510 00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:44,500 yeah, Jake grew up in 511 00:34:45,759 --> 00:34:49,839 Long Island. Okay, I got the stories. I got my stories mixed 512 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,799 up then, but he told me. He told me a story about how what you 513 00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:58,779 told him something like Jason moved to Nashville, or Jason was 514 00:34:58,779 --> 00:35:04,679 like, there in. Basically told you, like, Yo, you have to move 515 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,559 here, or we got to find someone else. Or maybe that was like, 516 00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:11,039 Jake summer story that Luke was moving to Nashville, and, like, 517 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,459 he needed to move there, or he was going to have to, like, find 518 00:35:14,459 --> 00:35:17,579 someone else, or something he was basically just was, like, I 519 00:35:17,579 --> 00:35:20,659 said, I It's been years since he told me the story, but I just 520 00:35:20,659 --> 00:35:25,099 remember it, the the basis of it being like, Hey, do you gotta be 521 00:35:25,099 --> 00:35:27,979 here, man? You got we have our job because we had to move to 522 00:35:27,979 --> 00:35:31,159 Nashville. Like, if you want to get there, you have to be there. 523 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,379 Like, if you want to be in it, you have to immerse yourself. 524 00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,859 And I never thought of it like that, because my whole life, I 525 00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:40,359 had always thought of like, if I, if I want to be a part of 526 00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:43,179 something. I have to immerse myself in it. But I never 527 00:35:43,179 --> 00:35:48,999 thought of like this, a city, as a place that you had to immerse 528 00:35:48,999 --> 00:35:53,739 yourself in. Like I thought of like people in groups and like, 529 00:35:53,799 --> 00:35:57,219 if I wanted to be in metal, I had to listen to metal. I had to 530 00:35:57,219 --> 00:36:00,179 know everything that was metal. So that's what I thought I was 531 00:36:00,179 --> 00:36:04,439 applying the country, but it I was, I wasn't applying it 532 00:36:04,439 --> 00:36:08,999 correctly, because being in Nashville and going out to those 533 00:36:08,999 --> 00:36:14,039 bars is so important. It for, like, the networking and all 534 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:18,539 that stuff, you know, saying, so it was like, I because so 535 00:36:18,539 --> 00:36:20,899 talking to him and him being like, Yo, you know, you gotta 536 00:36:20,899 --> 00:36:24,439 move to Nashville, you know. And you know, he told me your story 537 00:36:24,439 --> 00:36:26,899 that, or, you know what you had talked to him about, and then 538 00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:30,499 he, you know, was telling me his story, and, like, what he talks 539 00:36:30,499 --> 00:36:33,619 me about. And he was like, basically, at the end of the 540 00:36:33,619 --> 00:36:35,659 day, he was like, Yeah, you just gotta move there, you know, 541 00:36:35,659 --> 00:36:37,459 like, it's just what it comes down to, really, I 542 00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:39,620 mean, when I met you, I immediately followed you, you 543 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:42,280 know what? I mean, it's like, I looked, I immediately looked you 544 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,300 up and followed you, you know, and and then we reconnected. A 545 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,480 couple years later, you had done the thing. You had changed your 546 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,840 life, man, this, this amazing life changing opportunity came 547 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,200 along, 548 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,920 but getting but, but getting into the jelly camp. It was 549 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,500 literally just like, like I said, that studio that the 550 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:02,880 producer worked out of that Devil's cut was in. He worked 551 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,180 out. He got hired to work out a jelly studio for jelly. And it 552 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:11,460 was just like a weird instance of like fate, like colliding, 553 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:15,240 because it was like I had known that producer Since 2015 and 554 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,820 then all of a sudden, and he only did metal and rock. And 555 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,140 then all of a sudden, he comes to Nashville one time, and meets 556 00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:24,440 jelly, and jelly says, I'll move you down, work out of my studio. 557 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,280 And so he starts working out of a studio, and they and then it 558 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,420 just so happens, a band that I manage, he's their producer. So 559 00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:35,000 we're, we just go to Jelly studio all the time. And through 560 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,900 that, I met like his, you know, his, some of his management and 561 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,560 his security, and some of his friends, and, you know, so I 562 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,220 became friends with all them, not meaning to just creating 563 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:47,500 relationships like I just, I, you know, because, like I said, 564 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:52,540 I didn't know who jelly was. I just knew that he did music and 565 00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:56,380 through that when, when it was time for him to need a drummer. 566 00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:59,620 And whoever showed up, his drummer showed up and didn't 567 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,040 really, you know, cut, you know where you know he wasn't cutting 568 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,880 it for what was needing to be done, yeah, you know, for what 569 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,440 he was about to do. Because I had like, met all those people 570 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:17,880 on accident over the past year, just by happenstance. They all 571 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,100 had, like, followed me and seen my drum videos, and they're 572 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:23,300 like, Yo, you gotta call. You gotta call him. Like, and so 573 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,820 after about 10 people being like, Hey, call Cody. Call Cody. 574 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:28,880 Was like, Alright, get this kid down. Like, shut up. Just get 575 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,880 this kid down here, you know, from what I from what I heard, 576 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,180 but yeah, 577 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:36,500 because you have some killer, well, highly produced, very well 578 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:40,360 shot cover videos where you where you play tunes, and, you 579 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,580 know, blow over them a little bit. You showcase your your 580 00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:45,040 chops and your ability, and that those, 581 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,820 I like to have fun with those things. Those are all colleges 582 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:52,420 for my entertainment and like my fun. And I, you know, I, I'm, 583 00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:56,860 I'm happy and blessed if like anyone like that people see them 584 00:38:56,860 --> 00:39:00,040 and like love like, like it, you know, say like that means more 585 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,120 to me than anything, because, like, there's no reason I should 586 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,620 be taking a Daniel Bradbury song and doing just chopping over it, 587 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:12,780 like, it's just so fun, man, but I think that's what it should be 588 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,480 about. I think it should just be like, you ain't having fun with 589 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,580 it. Man, like, why are we here? You know? Like, why? Yeah, so 590 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:19,080 that's a calling card. Man, it's 591 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,060 a calling card. That thing exists, and people are like, 592 00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:23,540 Well, what does it look like? What does it he look like? What 593 00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:25,520 does he sound like? How does he play? Boom, there you go. 594 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,360 Yeah, yeah, dude, those, those videos, changed everything. 595 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,660 Like, so much for me to be honest. Like, my channel is not 596 00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:36,260 big, you know, saying, I think I only have, you know, well, I 597 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:39,020 mean, okay, to some people, this might be a big number, but, you 598 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:42,040 know, compared to, like, the goal that I'm shooting for, you 599 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,500 know, compared to other people, you know, I only have, like, 600 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:48,880 10,000 subscribers, but, you know, I'm very grateful to even 601 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,940 have 10,000 subscribers. You know, we're always shooting to, 602 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,600 you know, be better and grow and so on and so forth. But, you 603 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,640 know, I don't have the biggest channel in the world, but you 604 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,300 know, the people that do subscribe to me, like. Watch my 605 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,480 videos like it means so much, and it just do, just because 606 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600 it's just fun, man, it's, it's so cool. So it's awesome like 607 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,860 that, anybody can, can gain inspiration from it, or anything 608 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:13,620 like that, you know, because it's just me in the studio with 609 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,080 my buddies just having a good time. Yeah, that, you know, 610 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,260 that's all I want to do, man. I just want to have fun and make 611 00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:23,000 people smile. And if I can, if I can influence, or, you know, or 612 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,360 do something that, that someone's like, Oh, that's cool, 613 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520 you know, what is that? Like? That's, that's all I could ever 614 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,360 ask for. You know, 615 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:32,600 now you're doing that, man. So you so jelly gets you down. You 616 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,740 get come to Asheville. 617 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,160 And, um, he says, So, well, no no. So he, Jelly had his people 618 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,680 call and, dude, this story, this is the craziest part of the 619 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,700 story. I'm sorry. I love doing these things, man. I'm sorry if 620 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,920 I'm annoying, dude. I can talk all day. 621 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,520 No, it's great. No, I just think it's great to learn how you the 622 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040 thing came about. So it was relationships. And, yeah, so 623 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,100 it was obviously relationships. And finally, these people were 624 00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,760 all coming to jelly and telling him, and he was like, alright, 625 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,500 we'll give him a call. So it's a Wednesday night. I'll never 626 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,880 forget this dude at this time, I was bartending to Wednesday 627 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,720 night. I got off early. I don't know where I was mentally, but I 628 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:22,040 decided to get hammered. So I got hammered. And it's 3am and 629 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,880 I'm sitting at this bar, um, speaking, I bet you'd 630 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,000 be a great bartender. But I was thinking, like, I've never had 631 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,180 that job, but you gotta have a personality, you know you gotta. 632 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,080 I love bartending, dude. It was so fun. 633 00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:40,960 I bet you cleaned up, bro, cleaned up. 634 00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:45,700 I also, like, didn't give a when I was bartending. Bro, like, 635 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:50,920 bartending taught me so much about respect and taught me how 636 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,760 disgusting some people in this world are to be. To be 637 00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,400 completely honest with you, sure i What do you know? What do you 638 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:00,760 mean? What 639 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,300 do you mean by that? The respect, like the Oh, dude, 640 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:10,560 just like, you know, just the when I came in contact with so 641 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,760 many people that when I would, you know, I was bartending, they 642 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,460 wouldn't treat me like a person. They would treat me like I was 643 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:21,200 serving them. And I was like, and granted, yes, I am serving 644 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,500 you drinks, but I am not below you. You know I'm saying, like, 645 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,100 you don't know what the I do. Like, I'm here for. I'm here 646 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:33,200 because I like doing this like, and so just people would, like, 647 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200 there were some people that would just talk down to me, and 648 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,200 I would just be like, Yo Who are you talking to? Like, you think 649 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,320 I'm not going to talk back to you. You You think that because 650 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,720 I'm behind this bar, that I can't come out from behind the 651 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:48,760 bar, like I'm right here buddy, you know, or like I was not 652 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,560 scared. You can ask, bro. You can ask any, anybody that 653 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,880 bartended with if someone had a tab and didn't tip, I would, I 654 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,480 felt, I would feel so disrespected that I would 655 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,600 literally take the check and put it in their face, and I would be 656 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,060 like, hey, is there an issue? Did I not were your drinks not 657 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:08,100 good? Because you were telling me your drinks are, were good 658 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,640 all night? What's is there an issue? Why? You know, you know, 659 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,120 this is how I make my I make $2 an hour. Yes, I chose this job. 660 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,000 But you know, I chose this because I get to interact with 661 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,440 people. You're not going to run up a $220 tab and leave me three 662 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,040 bucks. I was like, You're not that cheat dog. Like, that's not 663 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,040 cool. Or I would be like, I'd be like, hey, was your service not 664 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,740 good? Like, I felt we had a really good repertoire. We were 665 00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:33,680 nice. I would I've made your drinks a little bit stronger. 666 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,980 Like, was this cool? Why are you why are you stiffing me? Did 667 00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:38,120 something wrong, you know? And 668 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,680 so what would they say? Well, what would, you know, they 669 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,200 would just, they would be stunned that I would even say 670 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,120 anything. Yeah, they'll be like, I'd be like, what? Well, what's 671 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,120 good, what's going on, like, or what's, you know, they would 672 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,560 literally just be so. And it wasn't me trying to bully people 673 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,700 into giving a tip, it was me trying to call disrespectful 674 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:03,780 people out in front of other and, like, in front of their 675 00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:07,320 friends, to let them know that, hey, you're with a Or like, Yo, 676 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,180 you're like, your friend sucks. You 677 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,360 know, nothing worse than a bad tipper, bro, like, Dude, I 678 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,360 call, I call my friends out if they tip bad. You know, saying 679 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,920 if I literally, and there's been so many times I'm sorry I love 680 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,080 this conversation, bro, because I'm so I'm so on it, dude. But 681 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,040 there's literally times that I'll be sitting with friends, at 682 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,500 at a at a table, and we'll get up to leave, and I'll look at 683 00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,020 all their checks, and I'll see what they left, and see if it 684 00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:36,080 was like, you know, that's probably, you know, not the 685 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,420 right thing, but like, I want to make sure that, like, if someone 686 00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:43,600 is serving us that, like, that's an hour of their time to make 687 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,640 money, you know I'm saying, and if, if we all run up a $50 tab, 688 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,280 and you guys Tip two bucks or three bucks, like, Dude, come 689 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,700 on. Like, bro, we make enough money to where we don't need to. 690 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,540 Like, don't disrespect someone like, dude. I. Man, 691 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:04,140 like, we're here to ever, ever tip less than 20% even, 692 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,800 absolutely, absolutely, I'll let them know that they can improve. 693 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,860 If they suck, I'll be like, hey, this was not good, but I know 694 00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:13,500 that this is how you make a living. So there you go, yeah, 695 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:16,140 and it's in the you know? And, like I said, I'm not perfect, 696 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:19,020 man, there's sometimes that I like, I'll have service. And I 697 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,680 have to be reminded that, like, hey, you know what? This person 698 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,480 may just be having a bad day. Yeah. And like, in my saint of a 699 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,000 freaking woman is there to remind me of that sometimes, 700 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,760 because I get I get pretty flustered, pretty easy, if, 701 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:38,000 like, I feel disrespected or misunderstood and and so like, 702 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,060 she'll calm me down sometimes. But I've never not, I've never 703 00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:46,360 not tipped anyone. You know, I'm saying like, I'll always put it 704 00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:49,240 in the circumstance of, like the table. There's been multiple 705 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,720 times where I've, like, covered for other people. Like, if I saw 706 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,020 that their tip wasn't good enough, I'll like, I'll go back 707 00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:59,860 to my check, and if I tipped like, 20, I'll change it to 40 708 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,820 or something, just to make sure, like, the table is 709 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,260 mathematically, like, worth the hour that that server just put 710 00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:11,220 into it. Like, interesting. I'm very, yeah, I'm very big on on 711 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:15,060 tipping, like, I hate the the whole not tip culture, like, 712 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:19,980 it's so it's such a it's so, you know it now, now, if we're in a 713 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:23,360 circumstance where, like, the employees are making 15 to $20 714 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,600 an hour, and then they wanted to, yeah, yeah. I'd be like, 715 00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:29,240 alright, this, you know, this is a little different. But like, 716 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000 the servers that are making, like, two bucks, bartenders that 717 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,360 are making two to five bucks, like, no, come on, man, like, 718 00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:39,920 it's that's just, it's a respect thing. But, you know, I would 719 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,220 just call people out. And sometimes they change it, 720 00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:44,500 sometimes they get mad, sometimes they try to get in my 721 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:47,860 face. And that would just never work out. And, you know, just 722 00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:50,920 like not that we would fight, but you know, they just ended up 723 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,040 getting, you know, pushed out because, you know, you're not 724 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,580 going to mess with me kind of thing, but I'm not going to 725 00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:01,260 fight any. I'm not going to lose my job over you, but also, I 726 00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:05,100 won't hit anyone unless I'm hit, and then, yes, unless they 727 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,940 touch, like, you know, a family member, like a girl, then or a 728 00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,820 friend. I'll fight for a friend before I'll fight for myself, 729 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,420 yeah, yeah, but I can relate, but, yeah, man, so I'm sorry, 730 00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:18,660 sorry. 731 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680 Oh, so you're going, so you're doing, so you're doing this on a 732 00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:23,720 Wednesday night, yeah? So Wednesday night, I 733 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:29,420 got off work 3am I'm hammered. I get a call from the producer, 734 00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:31,820 Bayless, and he's like, Hey, how would he know the jelly roll 735 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:36,140 song? Because I was like, Uh, I don't know. I went through him. 736 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,900 And he was like, Do you know him or not? And I was like, Oh, 737 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,260 dude, it's rap, yeah, sure, whatever. Like, and this, 738 00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:45,580 because this was before, like he was fully into country. And I 739 00:47:46,540 --> 00:47:49,540 was like, Yeah, sure, whatever. It's rap. I'll just, you know, 740 00:47:49,540 --> 00:47:52,240 do, just learn the beat and I can just play over it, whatever. 741 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,840 And he's like, Alright, cool. And then put the phone down, and 742 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,740 I get another phone call from the guitar player, from Siler, 743 00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:02,400 because they were, happened to be in Nashville, recording with 744 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,120 the same producer. They were like, riding with that producer, 745 00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,120 and he's like, Yo How well do you know the jelly songs? And I 746 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,960 was like, dude, Bayless just called me and told me this why. 747 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,800 I was like, what's going on? And they were like. He was like, Do 748 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080 you know him or not? And I was like, Yeah, dude, what's up? And 749 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,060 he was like, Alright, you're probably gonna need a phone 750 00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:26,240 call. And on the then I was like, okay, so I just they had 751 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,060 Bayless had been telling me that he was trying to get me to drum 752 00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:32,780 for jelly for like, the past five months before that. So I 753 00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:35,180 just didn't think any other, like, whatever. It's another one 754 00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:39,500 of those phone calls. And then the next morning, I also worked 755 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,640 at a e cigarette shop, a vape shop at the time. So I was 756 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,980 bartending at night and working at the vape shops in the 757 00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:52,840 afternoon. And so we it's 10 in the morning. I just opened the 758 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,200 store. Customers are coming in. I'm helping customers. I get a 759 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:02,100 call, a phone call from a 615, number, and and it was, I was 760 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,080 like, Yo, I have to, like, take this call, and I, like, pause 761 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,720 the customer. I was like, this is really important. Like, life 762 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,380 changing, important. And so I answered it, and they're like, 763 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:13,260 Hey, how fast can you be in Nashville? And I was like, I'm 764 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:15,420 at work right now. When do you need me behind? They were like, 765 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:17,880 we need you as soon as you could be here. And they were like, how 766 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,960 fast can you be here? I was like, I could be there by seven. 767 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,620 And they're like, perfect. So then hung up, and I was like, 768 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,040 All right, so I checked the rest of the customers out, and I 769 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,620 called my buddy, and I was like, Hey, man, I gotta close the 770 00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:32,600 store. Can you come cover for me? Like, I gotta go to 771 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,420 Nashville. And he was like, What the And I was like, yeah. Like, 772 00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:38,060 this is a big favor. Please help. And he was like, yeah. And 773 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:42,040 so I literally, I walk out, I locked I closed the store up. 774 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,180 The owner. Ever sees, is he going to kill me? Love that guy, 775 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,300 but lock the store up and I leave and then pack my drums and 776 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,700 I drove to Nashville. My buddy ended up showing up to cover the 777 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:58,660 store but, but I left before he got there, and I drove and 778 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,940 packed my drums up. Of the Nashville got handed 18 Songs to 779 00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:06,960 Learn on my two hour drive. And this is the best part, 780 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,640 obviously, getting learn, getting handed 18 songs to learn 781 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,620 in a couple hours is it's awesome. Yeah, it's impossible, 782 00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:20,540 it's hard. Yeah, it's that's stressful, as you know, 783 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,540 especially if, if you have to, like, learn them to go rehearse 784 00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:27,200 that night, and then you have to play them two days later, like, 785 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,700 so I'm driving, I'm stressing. I get near Nashville, I call them, 786 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:33,500 I'm like, Hey, where are we rehearsing? Where's the spot? 787 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,520 And they're like, change of plans. Jelly wants to go to 788 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,880 dinner. It's like, what? And they're like, Yeah, Jelly wants 789 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,060 to go do like, a pre tour dinner. And I was like, or like 790 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:50,860 a pre year of shows dinner, whatever it was. And I was like, 791 00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:54,460 Dude, I just got handed 18 songs, like, we need to 792 00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:57,400 rehearse. And they're like, Yeah, we're gonna go to dinner. 793 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,500 And I was like, alright, so I show up, and I happen to sit 794 00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:05,340 next to Jelly at the at the dinner, and that this was, like, 795 00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:09,360 our first time, like, kind of really hanging out, yeah, and, 796 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:14,160 and I'm so, I'm like, you know, just kind of like tapping and 797 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,860 like shaking. And he puts his hand on my shoulder, and he 798 00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:19,980 goes, You look nervous, Bob. Oh, he's like, are you okay? And I 799 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:24,200 was like, Hey, man. I was like, listen, I really want this gig. 800 00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:28,100 I just got handed 18 songs. I don't want to lose this gig. 801 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,920 Really need to rehearse, but we're at this dinner, and he was 802 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,820 like, You need to loosen up a little bit. And he's like, Can 803 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:39,260 we get a round of shots of tequila? And he when the waiter 804 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,660 brought in the tequila, he goes every time you drop these off. 805 00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:47,080 He was like, go ahead and put in another order. So it was he'd 806 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,960 drop them off, and then 10 minutes later, there'd be 807 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,660 another round of tequila. Oh my, 10 minutes later, there'd be 808 00:51:52,660 --> 00:52:00,780 another round. We end up getting hammered once again. And then at 809 00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:04,680 3am they're like, rehearsals at nine in the morning next day. 810 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,160 And I was like, What the I'm like, I'm not gonna make this 811 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,000 somehow. I made it. No one else made it. No one else was there 812 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,180 at 9am it was just me. So I set up, and I was like, alright, 813 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:17,520 well, I guess I can go through these songs. I set up and I was 814 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,580 going through the songs. Everybody showed up around 11, 815 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,640 so we practiced. The first time we all met and practiced. We 816 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,340 practiced from 11am to 4pm and then we had to load the trailer 817 00:52:31,340 --> 00:52:37,100 up and drove that night to go play a show for the first show 818 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:41,920 we all played together was for 7000 people, and we only had 819 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,600 like, five hours rehearsals on 18 songs that we might play. So 820 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,060 how did it go? It was sick. 821 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,980 It went, I mean, it went about as good as it could for that, 822 00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:56,860 those circumstances, you know, like, I mean, we showed up and 823 00:52:56,860 --> 00:53:00,040 we just had to, like our the guitar player was the only one 824 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,000 that had been with not Jack, but the other guitar player, Casey. 825 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,120 He was only one that had been with jelly for like, years and 826 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,360 years, so he knew all the songs. And so we basically just had to, 827 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,740 like, cue off him for that hour set. And it was, it was crazy, 828 00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:16,740 but dude, it was, like, nerve wracking and unsettling, but it 829 00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,720 was so fun, dude. And yeah, I guess, like, that 830 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,860 was kind of your audition. Your audition was a live gig, and the 831 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,440 hang more importantly than any Yeah, 832 00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:31,640 thank you for saying that, dude, yes, 100% Kelly was 833 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,840 like, get this guy here and have him sit next to me and let's see 834 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,260 what his liver is like. Let's loosen this guy up. But he had 835 00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:41,980 faith that you could play the drops, but, yeah, that would 836 00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:45,340 have freaked me out, because I'm such a over prepare. I'd be 837 00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:48,040 like, I gotta write, I gotta write out 18 charts. I gotta 838 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,320 have the tempo I gotta. But you were just like, we're doing 839 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,120 this, and we'll get through it. 840 00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:55,120 And this was, you know, and this was before I really learned a 841 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,680 system that worked for me as far as charting, um, because I had 842 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920 never had to chart before, you know, saying, like, when, with 843 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,460 the metal songs, I would just, I would get, like, a week heads up 844 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:08,760 and it, and I could, I can learn, uh, you know, eight metal 845 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,280 songs in a week. Like, that's not, that's cake, you know, 846 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040 saying, like, I can do four or five songs a day like that, you 847 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,520 know, and then just perfect them throughout the week, um, with, 848 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,020 as far as, like, metal songs, but with, with country and, 849 00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:24,620 like, doing covers and stuff like that. I never knew how 850 00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:27,980 people learn things so fast. And that's when going to Nashville 851 00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:30,740 is when I found out about the number system. And so I started 852 00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:33,800 doing all this research on the number system, and it still just 853 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,400 wasn't like, I was like, I get this for guitar players. I get 854 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,060 this for like, other you know, whatever. I was like, but I 855 00:54:40,060 --> 00:54:43,420 don't know how this correlates to drumming, and it just what 856 00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:48,280 wasn't like sitting in my head, right? And so I was like, I have 857 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,640 to figure out a system to where I can learn songs fast that 858 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,300 works for me, right? And so I ended up, like, coming up with 859 00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:59,380 with my own system in it, and it, I've got it. I've pretty 860 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:03,660 much got it. Down now to where I can listen to a song five times 861 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:07,080 and be able to go play it essentially, but with the way 862 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,280 that I like write it out. 863 00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:13,260 So you write like, like intro eight bars versus seven bars. 864 00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:15,720 The stop on the first, the eighth measure, that kind of 865 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:16,080 stuff, yeah. 866 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,260 So in my Yeah, in my notes section, I'll do, I have this, 867 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:24,080 like a, a pre written out thing that says Like. It says, like, 868 00:55:24,140 --> 00:55:32,900 Intro v1 free, one c1, post, v2 pre, 2c, two post, bridge. So 869 00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:37,280 like, breakdown thing of like, what a normal song would be. And 870 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,840 then I'll listen to the song, and I'll write out every measure 871 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,580 of everything. So it's like, intro, four bars, first 116, 872 00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:51,100 bars. Chorus, eight bars. Post, two bars. First two, eight bars, 873 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,420 you know, so whatever. And then, and then I'll go back and listen 874 00:55:55,420 --> 00:56:02,640 again, and I'll listen for like stops. So I'll be like, or I'll 875 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,880 listen to like, what like, if the whole song is on the snare 876 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,000 drum, or like, if it does like rim clicks, and then snare drum, 877 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,660 and then goes back like, I'll notate like, rim clicks, snare 878 00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:16,080 here, bring snare in, back to rim clicks, so on and so forth. 879 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,620 And then I'll notate like, and then I'll go through for the 880 00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:25,340 third listen, and I'll notate stops. It'll be like, stop on 881 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:32,720 the three of measure four, you know, PA or huge choke on two of 882 00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:36,200 whatever. And so you write, you write 883 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,920 it out in the English language, but not musical notation, 884 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,120 yeah, yeah. And it's like, you know, obviously, like, a 885 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,700 shortened, shortened English language to where I can, like, 886 00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:49,720 just go through, like, if I have to, like, like, no joke, Dude, 887 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:53,620 we got handed a similar situation two days, three days 888 00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:56,200 ago, before we played Billy Bob's last night, we got handed 889 00:56:56,260 --> 00:57:00,960 20 songs that we might play, like, because, because they were 890 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,320 talking about how artists might show up to come do like, a 891 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,800 karaoke thing. And they're like, You need to learn. Here's all 892 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,640 the artists that might show up, learn these hit songs, and then 893 00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:14,640 if any other artists show up that we're not prepared for, 894 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,360 learn these 15 cover songs, or these 12 cover songs, like, you 895 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,640 know, like a Garth Brooks song and, like, can't you see? And 896 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,500 like that, like, just normal bar songs. Learn all of these, just 897 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,620 in case we don't know their song. Or, like an artist shows 898 00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:33,980 up that we don't know we didn't rehearse for, or something. And 899 00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:34,220 so 900 00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:38,720 this is Billy Bob's, like, hey, stop by. Or, you know, like, 901 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,320 yeah, yeah. 902 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,920 So it was like, all these, these we got, got told that all these 903 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,980 people might stop by. So we went and looked at like, what their 904 00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:48,400 biggest songs were, that we could go whatever, and we like, 905 00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:53,920 I had to. I notated 20 songs out in this one tab that we might 906 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:59,620 play and but that was like, did they show two of them did nice. 907 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,260 So Lady, lady Wilson showed up and we got to play her song. 908 00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:08,520 Smells like smell like smoke, which is, oh god, 909 00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:16,140 she's so great. She's so real and genuine and sincere and 910 00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:17,760 talented. Yes, 911 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,460 dude, she bro. We, we locked, we locked eyes while we were 912 00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:27,080 playing. And she's like, so intense on stage that it was 913 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,060 like everything made sense as to not not only like, is she just 914 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:36,440 an incredible woman in general, but like, the way that she works 915 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:42,520 and moves and like interacts on stage, just completely checks 916 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:48,760 off everything as to why she is what she is, dude and that, 917 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,420 like, in that aspect, and, like, also her personality and her, 918 00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:56,740 like, just her as a human, really, like, it just explains, 919 00:58:56,740 --> 00:59:01,080 like, why she is such a an entity in this world bro, like 920 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,020 she's Yes, she's awesome, and she's been nothing but car. We 921 00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:08,640 got our hair done together one time by accident. Okay, we, we 922 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,020 because I dyed my I dyed my hair blonde, and I went to, oddly 923 00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:16,920 enough, do you know? You know? Do you know who actually McBride 924 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,860 is? Who's it? Ashley McBride? 925 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,720 Oh, of course, yeah, 926 00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:25,940 yeah. So Ashley McBride, her stylist does has worked at a 927 00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:29,180 salon in Nashville, and that's who I go to to do my hair. Well, 928 00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:33,200 I was sitting in the chair getting my my hair dyed, and the 929 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,840 girl that's in the booth next to her, her name's Cassie, does 930 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,760 laney's hair. Yeah, and, and so Laney walks in and me and Lainey 931 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,920 had already known each other just because we had, like, done 932 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,480 so much stuff together and and I was like, What the is he was 933 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,000 like, What are you doing here? And I was like, Yo, I'm getting 934 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:52,600 my hair done. My 935 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,980 locks died. Man, 936 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:57,820 literally just sat there and got our hair done together. It was 937 00:59:57,820 --> 01:00:00,480 like, that was like, a really funny, like, fun. Moment for 938 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,720 her. And I think that was, like, that moment, like, established 939 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,120 mine and her, like, friendship, which was, like, super cool. 940 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,480 I saw some, uh, some short haired pictures of you, maybe, 941 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,880 like, in a video, like, four years ago. I'm like, Oh yeah, I 942 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,420 usually clean cut buddy. So when did you decide to, like, grow 943 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,820 like, uh, you know, do the mullet man? 944 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:21,560 Um, yeah, dude, I used to be clean cut and skinny and 945 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,560 handsome and all kinds of stuff, dude, it's crazy. Yeah, then I 946 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,660 just then I discovered I really love pizza. 947 01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:33,140 Who doesn't? It's the perfect food. Even the Red Baron is 948 01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:34,340 good, man. Come on, yeah, 949 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:41,140 um, yeah, I man, I actually had a mullet my whole um, all 950 01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:44,140 growing up. Yeah, there's, um, photos of me in elementary 951 01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:46,180 school all the way up until probably about, like fourth 952 01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:49,660 grade, that I had a mullet, like, for a really long time. 953 01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:53,020 And then obviously, you know, my parents were like, I think we 954 01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:56,320 need to cut this. And so I cut, you know, got my wallet cut and 955 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,780 rocked rock short hair for a while. And then when I got in my 956 01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:05,880 hair in eighth grade, eighth grade through junior year, I 957 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:11,760 had, like the long, swoopy emo cut hair. Oh, no, actually, 958 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,100 sorry, no, in the into college, damn I I had long hair in my 959 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:22,760 hole. I did cut it once in high school for football. It was a, 960 01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:26,000 it was a hazing thing for freshmen. I forgot about that. 961 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,940 We were at football camp and they made all the freshmen cut 962 01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:33,440 their hair into Mohawks. That did happen for good. I 963 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,700 had the Dave weckle 1990 mullet, bro, the VO five mullet, you 964 01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:38,300 know? Yeah, 965 01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:42,640 yeah. Um, let's go, dude, yes. So I actually had long hair, 966 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,600 besides that one time that I cut it that I had to cut it for, for 967 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,680 football, I had long hair my whole life. I actually had to 968 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,620 stop playing baseball because I refused to cut my hair any 969 01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:57,340 shorter than what the coach wanted. That was crazy, and he 970 01:01:57,340 --> 01:02:02,880 made me quit, basically, but, but, but then, yeah, so I got 971 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:11,160 into, like, my junior year of college, and that was when I got 972 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,500 into my junior college, and that's when I cut my hair short. 973 01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:16,560 So I had short hair for a while. Then I got it, like, cleaned up 974 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,020 when I got in silent because I was, like, trying to, trying to 975 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:21,620 find out, like, who I was, or, like, what my image like, what I 976 01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:26,060 wanted my brand to be, or my image, or whatever. And, and 977 01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:29,480 then, yeah, so then when probably around, I think it was 978 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,680 covid Actually, because all the barbershops shut down. And I was 979 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,040 like, dude, if I'm going to grow my hair. I was really into, 980 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,040 like, the whole satirical movement of, like the pit viper 981 01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:46,420 thing, like the pit viper glasses, and, like, America and 982 01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:49,600 all that stuff. And I was like, dude. I was like, You know what, 983 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,840 I haven't seen in a long time, I haven't seen a mullet. I was 984 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,760 like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna grow a mullet. 985 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,680 You're like me and Morgan Wallen, come on, 986 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,820 dude. Yeah. And it was, well, you know, just happened to be 987 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,140 that time that he was getting known for his as well. Yeah, um, 988 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,740 still haven't met that dude. Um, gotta, I gotta meet that guy. 989 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,580 But I'm sure it'll happen. Yeah, if we've been in, I can do, 990 01:03:14,580 --> 01:03:19,260 we've been in the same room so many times. And just, I've, you 991 01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:21,620 know, I just, I'm never that guy that wants to, like, press, 992 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:24,140 someone like that, you know, saying I don't want to, because 993 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:26,480 they got that. They get that all the time. So I'm just like, No, 994 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,720 it's hard for me to even do it to Jason too. Like, bro. I it 995 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,440 took me. It took me a long time, because there was a lot of times 996 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,680 that me and Jason were in the same room that I was like, Man, 997 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,960 I just, I don't want to bother him, bro. I was like, He's just 998 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,500 so many people are talking to him, and I just don't want to be 999 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:44,080 I don't want that memory. I don't want to be part of that 1000 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,680 memory. I want, like, I want to be like, oh yeah. Like, I met 1001 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,240 jelly drummer, and we had a good time. And so I got that chance 1002 01:03:52,300 --> 01:04:00,960 at at Jelly CMA after party at last year at Miranda's bar on 1003 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,660 Broadway. And Jason and Brittany showed up nice and, and I got 1004 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:12,000 to, because they lived down in where they live. And and I got 1005 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,020 to, I also used to live in that town. And when I'm when I first 1006 01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:22,160 moved to Tennessee, and, and I saw that they did something for 1007 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,280 Christmas in that town at the gas station that I used to like 1008 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,960 fill up at. And so I got the opportunity to tell them I 1009 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600 really just wanted that was my introduction to them. And 1010 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,600 meeting them for the first time was I went, I went up to and I 1011 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,480 was like, hey guys. I was like, I played dress for jelly. I just 1012 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,920 wanted to say what I thought what you guys did for Christmas 1013 01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,440 was really, really cool. I was like, I thought, I thought that 1014 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,660 was so nice and so genuine. And so I got that. That was my 1015 01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:52,360 introduction to Jason and Brittany was getting to, like, 1016 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,120 thank them for what they did, for that, that community, 1017 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,880 because they they didn't have to take the time out of their day 1018 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,080 to do that. And I thought that was so nice. And so. Kind and so 1019 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,860 that that was cool to like, that was cool that that was my first 1020 01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:08,820 interaction with them. And yeah, the last, last time I ran into 1021 01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:14,880 Jason, not long ago, I forgot where we were, but I don't know 1022 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,240 if it was the iHeart awards or where we were, but I 1023 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,160 decided side stage at the 1024 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:27,020 CMT awards. Yeah, yeah. CMT awards. And I ran into him, 1025 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,100 wait, no, the iHeart Country Awards, or was 1026 01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:35,180 it the iHeart country festival that we were just at in Austin? 1027 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,220 You guys, yes, that's what I'm thinking about. 1028 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,480 That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, you guys, we were walking 1029 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,040 off and you guys and jelly and jelly, and Jason were all, like, 1030 01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:49,660 in the circle, whatever, like talking, and I was walking by, 1031 01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:52,000 and I, like, tapped Jason's shoulder, and he turned around. 1032 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,720 He goes, Oh, yeah, what's up? And I was like, obviously, like, 1033 01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,100 new way cooler. He's like, Oh, tell me how you doing. But I was 1034 01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:03,060 just like. I was like, dang. I was like, That's cool, man. 1035 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:07,800 Like, yeah, you know, to, I like to, I could be wrong, but I like 1036 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,360 to think that that interaction last year, you know, maybe he's 1037 01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:16,260 he, he remembers me from, oh yeah, you know, saying, like, 1038 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,720 totally Yeah, man, little, little things like that. But 1039 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,980 yeah, it just, I haven't had that situation with Morgan yet 1040 01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:25,760 to where, where we've been in a room where he's not, where he's 1041 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,160 not getting hounded, and I'm just like, I'm not going to, I 1042 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,600 don't want to bother. Well, that's the 1043 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,760 thing, man, that's what the kind of things like, you know, 1044 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,020 working in a vape shop or bartending and just living your 1045 01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:38,720 life teaches you how to read a room. You know, that's so, so 1046 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,760 important to this career. So you get the job, and what is, you 1047 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,880 know, what is it like to what is your relationship? Does he have 1048 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,460 certain things that he expects from you? What is he like from a 1049 01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:51,460 drummer? It seems like the band, it looks like there's six guys 1050 01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:54,220 on stage. It seems like you guys have a great rapport, I 1051 01:06:54,220 --> 01:07:00,960 think, man, dude, we are just so we're just so different. We're 1052 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,760 just such a weird group, man, like we, our whole band is from 1053 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,200 Warped Tour, just about, well it, it was, it was until we've 1054 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:16,380 grown like but everyone before we added like new members, it 1055 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:20,480 was just a bunch of metal dudes on stage, like Casey the guitar 1056 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,360 player, there was a metal dude, Jack, the other guitar player 1057 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,080 was in a band called Sleeping with Sirens. Alex, our bass 1058 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,980 player was in a band called conditions, and he also played 1059 01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:35,360 with Sleeping with Sirens. I was in a band called Siler. I was a, 1060 01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:38,960 yeah, I was in Siler. And then our guy that was running our in 1061 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,040 ears at the time, Mark, he was in a band called a mirror, and, 1062 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,060 like, all these just like heavy bands, and so we just end in our 1063 01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:50,200 front of house, and tour manager, he he did like, he did 1064 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,160 like Good Charlotte. And he did this being called, he did a 1065 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,060 Paramore. He did this band called 68 like he done like a, 1066 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,760 you know, saying, like, we're all just like metal dudes, and I 1067 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,060 don't, man, I don't think I chilly. Just doesn't have, like, 1068 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,840 an expectation. Yeah, you know, does that make sense? I don't 1069 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,020 know how to explain it. He like, it's not that he it's not that 1070 01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:21,200 he doesn't care. He cares very deeply. It's that he like, he 1071 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,580 just wants everyone to have fun. Like, if, obviously, we can't go 1072 01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:31,520 up there and just royally up but like, he wants, he just wants us 1073 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,080 to be having fun up there. 1074 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,539 That's, that's the culture of the band, is this, yeah, and 1075 01:08:35,539 --> 01:08:36,259 having fun 1076 01:08:36,619 --> 01:08:43,119 Exactly. And he wants, like, I'd say the biggest thing is that we 1077 01:08:44,379 --> 01:08:47,859 have to read him sometimes, because he'll call audibles like 1078 01:08:47,859 --> 01:08:50,979 that. He calls audibles all the time. Every show there's an 1079 01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:53,979 audible like no joke, every show is an audible. I 1080 01:08:53,979 --> 01:08:57,759 bet the lighting and video guys hate that. Oh, they despise it. 1081 01:08:58,660 --> 01:09:03,120 They hate it a lot, yeah. But he, yeah, he calls, calls 1082 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,460 audibles on things. So like, I think the only thing that he 1083 01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:09,900 it's unspoken, but I think he expects us to be on our toes, 1084 01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:13,740 but it's like, unspoken, if that makes sense, like he's not come 1085 01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:16,260 to us and be like, You guys need to be on your toes and be 1086 01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:19,020 prepared for what I call out. Like he's not that. He's not 1087 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:20,360 that kind of guy. He's like, 1088 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:26,299 just, he's the you need to loosen up guy here. Tequila 1089 01:09:26,299 --> 01:09:29,659 coming. But, yeah, the only reason I ask is, is, uh, the 1090 01:09:29,959 --> 01:09:32,419 only reason I ask is because, you know, some artists have 1091 01:09:32,419 --> 01:09:34,459 these kind of, like, idiosyncrasies, where it's like, 1092 01:09:34,579 --> 01:09:37,339 you know, Cyndi Lauper never liked the drummer to play the 1093 01:09:37,339 --> 01:09:40,299 ride cymbal. Or there, you know, other people are like, Hey, you 1094 01:09:40,299 --> 01:09:44,139 gotta pull the bass drum beater out of the just weird things, 1095 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,819 uh, his, uh, his only, I guess his thing is, is if you are not 1096 01:09:48,819 --> 01:09:53,079 sober, or if you're drinking at that time, you can't refuse a 1097 01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:53,559 shock. 1098 01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:56,860 So even if you're taking 1099 01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:59,559 afraid, no, not, not that you can't, not that you can't, 1100 01:09:59,559 --> 01:10:05,639 sorry, i. He, he doesn't like, if, yeah, if you're now, he 1101 01:10:05,639 --> 01:10:08,699 won't do it to someone that's sober. He will never, he will 1102 01:10:08,699 --> 01:10:11,999 never make someone that's sober drink. And he will never, if 1103 01:10:11,999 --> 01:10:15,059 someone is not drinking, like, if someone's taking a break, he 1104 01:10:15,059 --> 01:10:17,879 won't pressure anyone into doing it. He might mess around with 1105 01:10:17,879 --> 01:10:21,739 you a little bit, but like, he'd be like, Oh, but he's not, like, 1106 01:10:21,979 --> 01:10:25,699 he won't press it on you. But, like, if I'm, like, drinking, 1107 01:10:25,999 --> 01:10:28,339 you know, like, if I'm like, this right now, and he walked in 1108 01:10:28,339 --> 01:10:31,459 with a shot, and I was like, Nah, man, I'm good. He he'd 1109 01:10:31,459 --> 01:10:36,859 probably be like, No, you're gonna take the shot. You know, 1110 01:10:36,859 --> 01:10:40,779 like, saying he'd, uh, like, I wouldn't get fired, or anything 1111 01:10:40,839 --> 01:10:41,379 like that's, 1112 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,020 that's kind of a fun collection. Let 1113 01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:46,660 me okay, let me see, okay, hold on. I got a I got a story that 1114 01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:50,560 might help clear this up. My Okay, so there was one time. One 1115 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,700 time is the only time it's ever happened. I partied a little bit 1116 01:10:54,700 --> 01:11:02,340 too hard and I accidentally overslept. Soundcheck and jelly 1117 01:11:02,340 --> 01:11:06,780 never goes to soundcheck ever. So that day he did, that day he 1118 01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:15,000 did, and so I overslept. Didn't mean to he was on stage, which 1119 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,260 never happens. And we were I was like, Oh no, no, no. And someone 1120 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:22,940 had to come wake me up, and someone come, got came and got 1121 01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:27,020 me. And I was like, oh And they were like, Yo jelly on stage for 1122 01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:30,440 sound check. We gotta. I was like, Oh no. So I ran out, and I 1123 01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:34,040 go on stage, and jelly is like, No, you can. He's like, just 1124 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,500 stand over there. He's like, You go behind the drum tech table. 1125 01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:39,440 He was like, and he looked at my drum tech, Casey, and he was 1126 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:46,420 like, Casey, come play drums. And I was like, and, and Casey 1127 01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:49,360 was like, Nah, I can't play drums. And jelly was like, 1128 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,740 Casey, get behind the drum set. Now, like, Get behind the drum 1129 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:57,520 set. And Casey was like, laughing about it, thinking that 1130 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,840 he was like, Yeah, making a joke, because Casey, like, can't 1131 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,220 really play drums, but jelly was dead serious. Jelly was like, 1132 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,580 No, you like, Cody over slept. Go play Dr, I don't care if you 1133 01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:11,640 can't play drums. Go play drums. And Casey, my drum tech, was 1134 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,940 just laughing it off, and, like, walked away and handed me the 1135 01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:25,700 drumsticks. Jelly has never let that go ever since it's been 1136 01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:29,360 probably a year now, and he's never let it go, ever that you 1137 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,780 overslept. No, no, no, no, no, not me. He doesn't care that I 1138 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,900 overslept. He doesn't care that I was like he what? He's mad. 1139 01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:41,020 He's mad at my drum tech. He didn't play drums when he told 1140 01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:45,220 him to wow. So now, every time he sees my drum tech, he's like, 1141 01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,360 I've been waiting for he's like, I've been trying to find ways to 1142 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,960 get you fired. And it like, messes with them, like that. 1143 01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:56,560 That's amazing. Like there was they all play Xbox and stuff 1144 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,440 together. They all play Call of Duty. So Jack, our guitar player 1145 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,540 and jelly, were playing Call of Duty one time, and Casey got 1146 01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:08,280 into the chat, or whatever, however that works, and was 1147 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,280 playing with them. Well, his screen name didn't have his 1148 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:15,240 name, and jelly goes, who is this guy that's playing with us? 1149 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,180 Jack knew, though, but jelly was like, Who's this guy playing 1150 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:21,560 He's crushing like, go out. We need to play with this guy more 1151 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,300 often. We need to get him on our team and and Jack goes, or he 1152 01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:28,640 goes, where are you from? Instead of screening, I don't 1153 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,860 know what screening, he's like, where are you from? And he goes, 1154 01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:35,300 California. And he's like, Oh, what do you do for work? Like, 1155 01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:39,440 what do you do for a living? And Jack starts laughing. And Joey's 1156 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,100 like, Jack, why are you laughing? And in case, he goes, 1157 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:45,760 this is your least favorite person in the world. And he 1158 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:51,400 goes, what? And he goes, this is your drum tech. And he goes, Oh, 1159 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:57,280 what the hell. Get me the out of here. But like, being funny, 1160 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,620 because obviously, if he wanted to fire someone, he'd fire 1161 01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:03,660 someone. But, uh, he just do. He just like, he never lets him 1162 01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:07,500 live it down. Like, he'll write like, mean little messages on 1163 01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:11,220 his like, and put it on his drum case. He's keeping the 1164 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:17,580 he's keeping the gag going. So, oh, he, he can, he can set up, 1165 01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:20,180 break down, maintain tune, but he doesn't play. 1166 01:14:20,659 --> 01:14:24,019 He doesn't play. Gotcha, he can keep a beat, but he doesn't 1167 01:14:24,019 --> 01:14:24,619 play. Did you 1168 01:14:24,620 --> 01:14:27,440 hire him, or was he in the organization already? No, he, 1169 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:35,960 he was one of my options. So he, like he came from so Jack, when 1170 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:41,000 he was in Sleeping with Sirens, met Casey, my my drum tech. 1171 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,320 Casey used to drum tech for a band called pierce the veil. And 1172 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,080 then through that, he did another band called The Amity 1173 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,980 Affliction. And then from there, he toured with Panic at the 1174 01:14:50,980 --> 01:14:54,280 Disco for, like, 10 years. He was a panic at the Disco's drum 1175 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:59,500 tech and and then, you know, obviously panic disbanded, and 1176 01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:03,480 you. Uh, so he was looking for work, and this was about the 1177 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,420 time that they were looking to hire a drum tech for me, and 1178 01:15:06,420 --> 01:15:10,980 which was my first one ever. So I didn't have anyone, because I 1179 01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:14,880 knew of other ones, like from the metal world. So like, you 1180 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,900 know, I didn't want to, I didn't know. I just didn't know how it 1181 01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:22,760 worked. And no one came to me and was like, Hey, who do you 1182 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:29,900 want as a drum tag? Basically, what happened was I got brought 1183 01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:36,020 him and another guy, and then I brought someone to the table 1184 01:15:36,020 --> 01:15:38,960 that I was interested in. And I guess they just went with their 1185 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:44,380 they, like, looked at rates. And I'm just going to be real, Casey 1186 01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:47,860 was the only one we could afford, and because he was 1187 01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:50,860 willing to come down from his Panic at the Disco rate, nice 1188 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:54,700 and, and I don't know the rates, this is just what, you know. 1189 01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:58,180 This is what I was told. They were just like, hey, like, this 1190 01:15:58,180 --> 01:16:00,720 guy's friends with everyone he's he's friends with people that 1191 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,020 are in the camp already. Like, we know him. We've worked with 1192 01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:06,600 him. He's a great drum tech. Because I didn't know him. I 1193 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,300 hadn't met him yet. He's either, like, he's a great drum tech, 1194 01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:13,200 great friend, great hang like, and he's in our budget, like, 1195 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,720 let's hire him. And I was like, Alright, cool. And ended up 1196 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,920 being one of the best decisions ever. And like, they were, they 1197 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,740 were right, like, I I love that guy. Dude, I 1198 01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:27,140 love it. I love it when it works out like that. What's one of 1199 01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:28,700 your favorite songs to play in the show? 1200 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:36,020 Um, right now, dude, our medley is a lot of fun. Um, need a 1201 01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:39,800 favor. Is probably my favorite jelly song to play. And then, 1202 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,080 um, there's a song called the lost. I really like playing that 1203 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:49,480 one, too. And then, son of a sinner need a favor the lost. 1204 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,940 And son of a sinner, probably my favorite son of a sinner, gets 1205 01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:55,480 that. I get to have a lot of fun with dynamics. And that's like, 1206 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,780 that's that, that's, that's like, a selfish one, that one's 1207 01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:59,800 just for me. I that's 1208 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,420 when the audience is singing every word, and it's coming back 1209 01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,660 at you. It's Goosebumps. Goosebumps Central, you know, I 1210 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:10,560 like, Do you know who? Do you know who Grady is? He played 1211 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,840 with Ernest for a little while. Oh. 1212 01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:15,059 Grady Saxon, 1213 01:17:15,779 --> 01:17:21,859 not, not, not. Grady Saxman, great. Grady. Grady block. Grady 1214 01:17:21,859 --> 01:17:22,279 Brock, yeah, 1215 01:17:22,940 --> 01:17:28,160 yes. Grady block was the son of Billy block, who was a staple of 1216 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,220 our community. Had this western beach show. It was like an 1217 01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:35,060 Americana show. So we lost some years ago. I'm assuming that 1218 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:37,640 would be the that's who Grady Yeah, 1219 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:43,060 I had no idea. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, yeah. So, well, so Grady 1220 01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:47,200 block used to play with Ernest. All right, played drums for 1221 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:52,000 Ernest and bro, no joke, Dude, I'm so sad that he's not playing 1222 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,360 with her. He's because Grady also is the thong writer too. So 1223 01:17:55,540 --> 01:18:01,680 he, I think he backed off of touring to to get because he 1224 01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:07,320 writes. He's a writer at big loud. So he, I think he took, he 1225 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,140 backed off from touring with earnest, so he could, like, 1226 01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:16,380 focus on just writing. Yeah, but, dude, I have never seen a 1227 01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:28,700 drummer feel sorry, feel an accent music and be a part of a 1228 01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:35,300 song the way that that man did, that dude, that dude spoke with 1229 01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:39,800 his drums. I mean, he when he played drums, he talked, he 1230 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,040 like, oh, my gosh, 1231 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,820 dude, this is great. This is great to hear because I had kind 1232 01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:50,440 of lost touch a little bit with Grady, and when his dad was 1233 01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:54,580 going through, you know, his health issues, and he said, Will 1234 01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:58,120 you please keep an eye on my sons? And I was like, of course, 1235 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,280 and they're both doing incredibly both Crusher. That's 1236 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,980 great to hear, man. I gotta, I gotta look, I gotta look up old 1237 01:19:04,980 --> 01:19:06,000 Grady and Rico, oh, 1238 01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:10,740 dude. Well, he, he had a major influence on me with how, like, 1239 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,100 he's the reason that son of a sinner is one of my favorite 1240 01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:18,420 songs to play, because the way that I was playing it before was 1241 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:25,640 more in tune to the record. And then I saw him play it live with 1242 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,640 Ernest. Because, you know, a lot of the the writers will, you 1243 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,240 know, the songs that they wrote, they'll play them live. I saw 1244 01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,080 him play son of a sinner, live with Ernest, and I was 1245 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:43,960 dumbfounded at how much better. He made that song, and I, dude, 1246 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,880 I was like, I just took notes. I was just like, Okay. And he, one 1247 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,220 of the things that he did, that I just never thought to do, was 1248 01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:58,900 he started with brushes, or, like, the wood sticks, because 1249 01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:01,500 it would like the whole. First part of the song is, like, a 1250 01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:04,500 little bit. It's like, subtle. It's lower, you know, where the 1251 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,400 whole thing is just a build, essentially. So he's, like, just 1252 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,980 really feeling out, like, with guitars, like, with these 1253 01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:14,280 brushes and like, like, the dynamic and accent, like, he 1254 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,160 like, come up and come down to like, make parts like, make more 1255 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,800 sense to be bigger. And then there comes to drop chorus, 1256 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,280 where everyone drops off, and it's, it's just, you know, Jelly 1257 01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,660 singing. And he, or, you know, well, he was, Ernest was 1258 01:20:29,660 --> 01:20:34,460 performing it, but so Ernest was singing, and he put the sticks, 1259 01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:38,720 he put those down, and picked up drumsticks, right, and made the 1260 01:20:38,780 --> 01:20:45,160 end of the song huge. And I was like, Dude, I would have never, 1261 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,860 ever thought in my lifetime to do that. Would have never 1262 01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:50,320 thought I was playing with drumsticks the whole time, but 1263 01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:55,360 the change in dynamic and how it like, made the song, bro, I 1264 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,580 could talk about his drumming all day. Bro, he's one of my 1265 01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:58,600 favorite drummers. That is 1266 01:20:58,599 --> 01:21:01,859 so great because he's right here in Nashville, and I've known 1267 01:21:01,859 --> 01:21:04,559 him, and I just got pulled apart, I guess, covid and the 1268 01:21:04,559 --> 01:21:05,759 whole thing, it's been years. 1269 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,480 He's a great, hey, he's a, he's an amazing, amazing hang too. I 1270 01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:12,540 like, I have so much love and respect for that. Shout out to 1271 01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:12,840 Brady. 1272 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,800 Man, shout out to shout out to Grady. He might be maybe like 1273 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:22,160 this point. Man, maybe like 28 or something. Man, at some 1274 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:22,820 point, who knows 1275 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,940 that's incredible. Yeah, so need a favor, son of a sinner in the 1276 01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:30,740 loss or my my tops, 1277 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,860 killer, man, well, hey, I don't want to, I got to be respectful 1278 01:21:33,860 --> 01:21:36,320 of your time, because you're in Dallas, Texas. You got the ACM 1279 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:36,800 hanging over 1280 01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:40,240 your shoulder. You're fine, man, I'm dude. I'm here. I'm 1281 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,320 chilling. Well, 1282 01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,560 I gotta enter, I gotta interview Dennis Holt in 30 minutes, and I 1283 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,380 gotta render the episode and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. 1284 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,020 Let's do this. Man, let's do this. Yeah, I want to ask you 1285 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:53,980 the your Fave Five. And sometimes it's the Fast Five, 1286 01:21:53,980 --> 01:21:57,580 but it's not usually fast. What's your favorite color? Man, 1287 01:21:57,580 --> 01:21:58,540 favorite color. 1288 01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:59,860 Favorite color is purple. 1289 01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:03,239 All right, you would get along with my students. Sarah car 1290 01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:06,839 deal, everything she has is purple. Purple clothes, purple 1291 01:22:06,839 --> 01:22:09,239 drums. It is good. I like purple. It's 1292 01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,700 crazy. It's crazy because my favorite color is purple, but I 1293 01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:15,480 don't the only piece of purple. I own two pieces of purple 1294 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:21,200 clothing. One is right here. One is the purple on this 1295 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,140 Diamondbacks jersey. All right. Man, okay, black shirt, purple. 1296 01:22:24,380 --> 01:22:27,980 And then the other one is, uh, I got this, like, fishing, this 1297 01:22:27,980 --> 01:22:33,980 Columbia purple fishing shirt. But like, I actually look god 1298 01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:36,440 awful in purple. I don't look good in purple at all. But, 1299 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:40,720 like, I love the color purple. But, yeah, so that's, that's, 1300 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:45,160 what about food? Am I saying pizza is your favorite food? 1301 01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:45,940 Yeah, 1302 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,700 pizza? Well, yeah, we'll put it at that. Pizza and Wings are my, 1303 01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:51,760 definitely, my top favorite foods, dude. I love it. Um. 1304 01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:56,800 What about um? Your favorite drink? Favorite drink? 1305 01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:05,400 Oof, um. I, I love a nice, crisp, cold water. But if not 1306 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:10,260 water, I if we're going with soda, it's cheer wine and then 1307 01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:15,120 Dr Pepper, if we're going and then next to that would be 1308 01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:19,380 definitely some, some homemade mama sweet tea. 1309 01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:20,840 Okay? 1310 01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,280 She makes it to where it's like, it's like, because I like, half 1311 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,580 and half tea, and she made the way that she makes it. It's 1312 01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:35,060 like, not overly sweet, but it's like, sweet enough to where I 1313 01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:38,660 don't feel like I'm about to, like, have a, you know, a blood, 1314 01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:43,780 something, you know, like, it's like that perfect mix of like, 1315 01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:47,920 it's, it's still sweet tea, but it's like, it's just sweet 1316 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,260 enough to where it's not overbearing. It's like, yeah, 1317 01:23:50,260 --> 01:23:51,520 it's like, perfect mix. 1318 01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:54,280 Occasionally, I'll do the the Arnold Palmer. I'll treat myself 1319 01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,860 to that very refreshing but, yeah, if I'm gonna have water, 1320 01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:58,600 cold water. Oh, 1321 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:03,660 love cold water, dude. I'm a big, big, big fan old water. And 1322 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,800 if we're going alcohol, Kentucky bourbon, baby, and beer, 1323 01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:08,640 Kentucky 1324 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:11,939 bourbon. So we're talking like Makers Mark, yeah, yeah, 1325 01:24:11,940 --> 01:24:14,640 honestly, dude, honestly, just any Burr. I'm not like a bourbon 1326 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:19,020 stickler. I just, I love bourbon snob. No no. Whether it's like 1327 01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:23,300 freaking makers. Or it could be Kentucky, gentlemen, it could be 1328 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:26,540 makers. It can be happy. It can be anything. I don't give a 1329 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,200 Bourbons. Bourbon, to me. I mean, obviously summer aged 1330 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,800 differently and go down a little bit smoother, but like it all 1331 01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,120 puts you in the same place. 1332 01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:39,680 I'm with you on that. Now, this is kind of hard, but maybe this 1333 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,160 is something that comes on the radio. You're listening to it 1334 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,280 all the way through, it just keeps rearing its ugly head, the 1335 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,160 melody, the artist. You don't know what it is, but you just 1336 01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,460 love this is your favorite song. Man, favorite song. 1337 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,960 Um, either, right now, it's 1338 01:24:58,779 --> 01:25:01,019 tough one, man, maybe I'm going. To change my questions. 1339 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:06,779 No, I I can't. I'd say it's, I'll start it off by saying it 1340 01:25:06,779 --> 01:25:13,379 changes all the time, if I need to go of all of all time. Of all 1341 01:25:13,379 --> 01:25:20,279 time, probably same old situation, or um, sticky sweet 1342 01:25:20,339 --> 01:25:24,379 by Motley Crue. Oh, of all time, those will, those will probably 1343 01:25:24,379 --> 01:25:31,039 be it. But currently, dude, I, I have been of like, I can't stop 1344 01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:37,099 hearing um, ocean eyes by Billy Eilish. I can't I like it lives 1345 01:25:37,099 --> 01:25:37,879 in my head 1346 01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:42,579 daily. Now there's a daily, it's like an earwig, yeah, and 1347 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:55,480 whiskey bit. But while does you whiskey bit? I'll say that by 1348 01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,300 Cody Johnson, are probably my, my other two 1349 01:25:58,299 --> 01:26:01,559 well, like Cody Johnson, man, I got to work with me. Nice fella. 1350 01:26:01,859 --> 01:26:02,219 That was 1351 01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:06,180 my favorite country artist of all time, and it, it just so 1352 01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:09,540 happens that that we know each other. Yeah, 1353 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:13,320 it's a very nice guy like yourself. I told him to 1354 01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:15,660 his face. I was like, Hey, man, listen, I'm I know we're 1355 01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:18,060 acquaintances, and we know each other and stuff, but I'm just 1356 01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:21,140 going to give you this is my one fan moment. I was like, You're 1357 01:26:21,140 --> 01:26:23,540 my favorite country artist of all time, and I have a lot of 1358 01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:26,480 respect for you, and I love what you do, and I love your music. I 1359 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:29,240 was like, That's it. That's done. You got it. You heard it, 1360 01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,460 and now we're back to just being we're just friends now. 1361 01:26:31,460 --> 01:26:32,000 Absolutely 1362 01:26:32,540 --> 01:26:33,320 appreciated that. 1363 01:26:33,619 --> 01:26:36,259 Oh yeah, he started dying laughing. He's, uh, he's a 1364 01:26:36,259 --> 01:26:38,299 really good dude. I mean, you know, he's a great dude. 1365 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,120 Very nice, very nice guy. What's your favorite movie? Brother? 1366 01:26:41,839 --> 01:26:46,899 Favorite movie? Yeah, ooh, rock star, oh. Rock star, rocks. Rock 1367 01:26:46,899 --> 01:26:51,819 star with Mark Wahlberg and Moana, Moana. Moana has one of 1368 01:26:51,819 --> 01:26:56,499 my favorite movie soundtracks of all time. Oh, unreal. So does 1369 01:26:56,499 --> 01:26:59,739 you know frozen has a great, great movie soundtrack as well. 1370 01:27:00,759 --> 01:27:02,999 Yeah, I love both of those movies. Those are, those are 1371 01:27:02,999 --> 01:27:04,739 probably my top two movies. Yeah, 1372 01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:07,260 I like those Disney Pixar movies where there's a lesson to be 1373 01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:10,200 learned, and, you know, you're being entertained. And I'm 1374 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,400 a huge Disney fan, yo. They got, they got a lot of heaters. Um, 1375 01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:18,540 that, bro, that new, that new movie. They, they just popped 1376 01:27:18,540 --> 01:27:21,660 out elemental, not the second one, but I haven't seen the 1377 01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:26,780 second one yet. But that that elemental one, was crazy. I 1378 01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:30,140 like, I cried, dude, that movie was so good. Are you 1379 01:27:30,140 --> 01:27:35,240 a sci fi guy like Star Wars? Planet games? No, 1380 01:27:35,659 --> 01:27:40,599 I couldn't get into it. I tried so hard to get into Star Wars, 1381 01:27:40,599 --> 01:27:44,019 and it just like never, just never clicked with me. Never 1382 01:27:44,019 --> 01:27:49,179 caught. I tried. I tried. I can say that I tried. I watched. My 1383 01:27:49,179 --> 01:27:54,339 dad took me to see it when I was young, and I did. I thought I 1384 01:27:54,339 --> 01:27:59,439 was just too young to understand it, but I liked that. I liked 1385 01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,179 watching them. What I liked about it was watching them fight 1386 01:28:03,539 --> 01:28:07,079 in the the little jets, or the whatever they were in. Yeah, I 1387 01:28:07,079 --> 01:28:10,079 guess that it was when Obi Wan was, like a young was young, and 1388 01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:13,739 he had his little like his bowl cut, his blonde bowl cut. 1389 01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:16,620 I mean, you're not, you're not even, you're not even old enough 1390 01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:20,580 to know the original Star Wars, because that came out like 76 1391 01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:22,100 bro. So 1392 01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:25,640 So then my second one, when I was in Oak kingdom, when we were 1393 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,720 recording, and they found out that I had never seen Star Wars, 1394 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,420 or that I had like that I'd only seen that one movie. And they 1395 01:28:32,420 --> 01:28:34,760 were like, Oh, we're going to watch it from the beginning. And 1396 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:40,580 so they turned the first one on, and I ended up falling asleep. 1397 01:28:40,580 --> 01:28:44,560 Oh, my God. They didn't know because I was on the floor and 1398 01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:49,360 and so the movie was over, and I woke up, and they're like, yes, 1399 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,400 what'd you think? And I was like, dude. I was like, bro, I 1400 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:55,240 fell asleep. Man. I was like, this. I was like, I couldn't, I 1401 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,720 couldn't get into it. Incredible, incredible. I really 1402 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,400 like, what's, what's that? Inception, Inception. And I like 1403 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,300 movies like that too. 1404 01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:05,640 Those are thinkers, man, those Christians that make you 1405 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,200 like, think Shutter Island was like, pretty sick. I love, I 1406 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,200 love, oh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, 1407 01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,540 sorry I've, I completely forgot to mention this one, um, the 1408 01:29:18,540 --> 01:29:20,400 baseball movie with Dennis Quaid. 1409 01:29:20,879 --> 01:29:21,679 Oh yeah, the 1410 01:29:24,380 --> 01:29:28,280 that's Field of Dreams. No, no, no, no, not Field of Dreams. It 1411 01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:34,340 was based in Texas. Why am I blanking on that? 1412 01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:36,140 Yeah, it's alright. Do we have to? We forgot to 1413 01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:39,320 take our ginkgo Bella today. That's, that's my, that's my 1414 01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,720 third favorite movie. Yeah, 1415 01:29:41,020 --> 01:29:43,480 we went to the field, field, rookie, the rookie, the rookie, 1416 01:29:43,480 --> 01:29:47,080 okay, yeah, yeah, man, the rookie, Dude, I gotta, I gotta 1417 01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,580 tell you what, man, that you've done a great job also on your 1418 01:29:51,580 --> 01:29:55,480 socials, because it's pretty much your the same handle, or 1419 01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:58,300 pretty much across everything, whether it's YouTube, Tiktok, 1420 01:29:58,300 --> 01:30:01,500 Instagram, Facebook, Cody. Ash drums, great job, dude. 1421 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:02,700 Thank you. Thank you. It's 1422 01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:05,460 really, it's tough when someone's like, Yeah, I'm Cody. 1423 01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:09,600 Underscore ash drums 18. Like, oh God, you know what I mean. 1424 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:14,160 I got, I didn't know, obviously, like, so I made all, I think I 1425 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,360 made an Instagram in 2013 Yeah, and I want to say I made a 1426 01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:24,740 Twitter in like 2012 and I didn't know, like, I just didn't 1427 01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:30,140 know what to do. But I was just like, I guess I want everyone to 1428 01:30:30,140 --> 01:30:32,600 know that I'm a drummer, and I've got really lucky that that 1429 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,660 name was, like, available, and Rachel, I was lucky that the 1430 01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:39,620 name was available on like, Tiktok stuff too. So Well, dude, 1431 01:30:40,699 --> 01:30:43,779 I gotta say we could probably talk three, four hours. We're 1432 01:30:43,779 --> 01:30:46,659 just crazy surface pub. I'm hoping that people were 1433 01:30:46,659 --> 01:30:50,379 entertained. How could he not be entertained by you? And I hope 1434 01:30:50,379 --> 01:30:53,559 that they check out your drumming. I hope that you guys 1435 01:30:53,559 --> 01:30:57,399 and jelly your success. This Meteor access just continues to 1436 01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:02,099 rise. Man. I'm so happy for you, proud of you, and hope to see 1437 01:31:02,099 --> 01:31:05,639 out there enjoy the ACMs in Dallas. Man, absolutely. 1438 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,520 Man, it's gonna be a blast. I can't wait. I can't wait. Dude, 1439 01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,220 thanks for joining us. Man, Rich, thank you so much for 1440 01:31:11,220 --> 01:31:13,740 having me on. Dude, I can't wait for a round two. 1441 01:31:14,219 --> 01:31:17,159 Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it in the flesh and have a cocktail 1442 01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:18,599 together. Man, Oh, 1443 01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:20,940 perfect. Dude, I'm there. I'm in. You already know. 1444 01:31:21,059 --> 01:31:23,239 We'll make it happen. What borough are you living in? In 1445 01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:24,799 Nashville? What? What neighborhood? Where are you? 1446 01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:29,960 I moved out to Gallatin. Okay, all right, yeah, yeah. I live 1447 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,620 out in Gallatin. I just moved there probably a month ago, and 1448 01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:37,100 we do. We've been so busy that all my boxes are still not 1449 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:38,660 unpacked. Like, yeah, 1450 01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:42,160 bro, dude, it's really it's an incredible time for you right 1451 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,280 now. And so just, yeah, enjoy it, and maybe occasionally 1452 01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:47,860 journal and write some of this stuff down. So 1453 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,980 yeah, I need to, I think I was talking. I think was it you that 1454 01:31:50,980 --> 01:31:55,000 I was talking to about that? But, um, someone, we talked, I 1455 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,260 talked about journaling was, I 1456 01:31:56,260 --> 01:31:58,840 mean, I wish I had, you know, I wish I had in the early days. 1457 01:31:59,140 --> 01:32:02,340 But anyways, big picture, I remember the big pillar moments, 1458 01:32:02,340 --> 01:32:05,580 man. So I'm really happy for you, man, and appreciate you 1459 01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:06,000 joining us, 1460 01:32:06,420 --> 01:32:08,580 man, dude, thank you for having me. Man, this is awesome. Heck, 1461 01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:09,000 yeah. And to 1462 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,700 all the listeners, hey, we appreciate you guys tuning in. 1463 01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:14,400 Be sure to subscribe, share, rate and review helps people 1464 01:32:14,580 --> 01:32:17,460 find the show, and we'll see you next time. Thanks, Cody, 1465 01:32:17,820 --> 01:32:18,360 absolutely. 1466 01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:20,279 I'll see you later, Brother, be safe. 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