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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good morning, good more morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we talk all right, Chris is coffee is kicking in.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm said seeing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the morning in the motor I never I never

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<v Speaker 2>go past that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark. Okay, So dude, you really livened up. Dude, caffeine

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<v Speaker 3>hit send a couple of nice text messages. Feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>He's referring to in between the All right, hey, today

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<v Speaker 1>this if you don't know, if you're just joining us today,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Kyler is standing in for Jeff because Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>is out of pocket. And so we are delighted, thrilled, nay,

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<v Speaker 1>we are privileged to have with us this week.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bible Guys with Kyle and Chris. Yes, it was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty terrible then. First, I don't know how that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, deserved, but you deserved.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about that, not at all. But thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Hey, today's desiree wants us to do two truths

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<v Speaker 1>in a lie. Yep, and the way she wrote it is,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I lost my place now, it says Kyle, we

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<v Speaker 1>always enjoy having you as a Bible guy.

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<v Speaker 3>She had to write that that's good getting.

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<v Speaker 2>To know you more.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play two truths and a lie to see how

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<v Speaker 1>well Chris knows you?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Can he figure out which statement is a lie? And

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<v Speaker 1>she put exclamation mark question mark as if that's so intense?

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<v Speaker 3>Can he find out? I figured us see if we

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<v Speaker 3>can figure it out. Okay, we got three things for you, Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>Two truths, one lie. First thing is this is that

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<v Speaker 3>I graduated from the same high school that your kids

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<v Speaker 3>graduated from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that's true, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait for me to say all three Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I'm just calling you out.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go. I am the youngest of my

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<v Speaker 3>older of the three siblings in my family, I'm the youngest.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the second thing. And then the last is.

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<v Speaker 2>That the last one's a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the last thing, the last thing, son of a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I already knew you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I married in Hawaii, So there are two truths

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<v Speaker 3>and a lie in that I was married in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the youngest of Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm proud. I'm really proud because you know we

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<v Speaker 1>know each other. But I but you know. Obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know you nearly as well as some other staff

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<v Speaker 1>members because you run staff well before me, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm really proud that I got this.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew both of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the truth is I did go to Troy

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<v Speaker 3>Athens High School, graduated away before his kids, but went

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<v Speaker 3>to the same high school as them. The other truth

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<v Speaker 3>is that I actually have six siblings. I'm not the youngest.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm right in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it wrong, I get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>You said that you said you thought that was the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I said, I said the last ones. Uh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you are wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go totally misunderstood you. Yes, it's right. So I

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<v Speaker 3>actually was married in Hawaii. I really was two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and seven, got married in Hawaii. And uh, and no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm not I'm not the youngest. I am right

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the six siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>I said. I said, I know you're the youngest, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not, no right, no middle. So wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have two older siblings and then and then three

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<v Speaker 3>younger than me. So six of us six. It's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>You were getting a little confident, and I actually trusted

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<v Speaker 3>your confidence. That's the worst part is also you know

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<v Speaker 3>he's right, He's got me.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever see Willie Walker at the end when

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<v Speaker 1>he goes wrong, sir wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you get married in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So we basically we had the opportunity. When we

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<v Speaker 3>were planning our wedding, we were just broke as a joke, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were like, you know, we were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>what are options where we could have done a big

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<v Speaker 3>wedding in the area and probably spent too much money

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<v Speaker 3>that we didn't have. We could have done a small

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<v Speaker 3>wedding in the area and left out a bunch of people,

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<v Speaker 3>or what we decided was another option was what if

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<v Speaker 3>we go to Hawaii and we just invite whoever wants

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<v Speaker 3>to come and uh, and then we we stay there

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<v Speaker 3>and we get married there. So we ended up inviting

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<v Speaker 3>whoever wanted to come and thirteen people joined us. It

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<v Speaker 3>was really great two thousand and seven. So my family,

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<v Speaker 3>her family, close family. We didn't have anybody stand up

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<v Speaker 3>in the wedding. It was just on a beach and

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<v Speaker 3>the couple that did we basically a couple that was there.

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<v Speaker 3>She did the photography, he performed the wedding and it

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<v Speaker 3>was really sweet. It was out in the on a

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<v Speaker 3>beach with like nobody around us. It was awesome, very cool,

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<v Speaker 3>very cool. It was it was a guy we found

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<v Speaker 3>like a like a online pastor. We found rent a pastor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>yet very nice guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So a pastor at our church hired a rena

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<v Speaker 1>pastor in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>Was before I actually wanted to go in the ministry.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was just like, I just need to get married.

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<v Speaker 3>We just gotta figure this out. There's got to be

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<v Speaker 3>somebody we could, uh we could find to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it was not. I mean I had I

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<v Speaker 3>had other pastor friends I could have invited.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's pretend that you were single up until now. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's just say you just met Kristin right, and

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are gonna get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is, would you be okay hiring a rena

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<v Speaker 1>pastor now or would you like say, gosh, I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to have whoever special in your life.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying you want to go to Hawaii? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that what you're saying? No, I'm just no, oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>My mindset is definitely different. But you have to I

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<v Speaker 3>was very very young we did not, like, we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have much like, so I'm trying to think of, like

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<v Speaker 3>what's the most easy and efficient way to get this

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<v Speaker 3>thing legally take care of.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why people hire rena pasters.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, so now I would say I definitely want

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<v Speaker 3>to fly out somebody who'd be important to me and

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<v Speaker 3>have them do the wedding one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, even though that'd be a more

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<v Speaker 1>expensive Yes, absolutely that point you might as well stay

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<v Speaker 1>at home and yes, so but but wow, that is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, you probably have incredible photos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's great and also was it was before the

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<v Speaker 3>age where like everything's digital, right, so we have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of great printed photos, we have a few digital

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<v Speaker 3>photos and some really just good good memories from that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell funny. I know we were probably run out

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<v Speaker 3>of time for this segment, but we were on this

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<v Speaker 3>beach and it was like totally like like the rent

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<v Speaker 3>to pastor helped find us the spot, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful beach. No one's around, and there's this guy in

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<v Speaker 3>a speedo that's ceremonies about to start runs by a

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<v Speaker 3>speedo and my dad is like kind of, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a very nice kind guy, but he also has

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<v Speaker 3>an agressive side. Don't want to mess with him. So

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<v Speaker 3>sure enough, like the guy runs by and we all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of got to laugh, right then the guy runs

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<v Speaker 3>by again, second time. By the third time, he's just

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<v Speaker 3>running laps. My dad was like, I honestly might tackle

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<v Speaker 3>And so just funny thing because we were just like

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<v Speaker 3>a memory that we have is just some guy making laps.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd run like a football field link running back. And

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<v Speaker 3>finally Mike had to say, can you please leave? There's

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding happening because we're standing up there about to

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<v Speaker 3>get married, about to exchange bowls and some guys running

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<v Speaker 2>Did he say please?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he said in a more firm way

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<v Speaker 3>than that. But and then the guy did not come back,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure, but it made for a really funny

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<v Speaker 3>Dad's also muscular. Yes, yes he's not. He's not messing around. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not messing around. Your dad said to me leave, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I would leave, yes, yes. And this guy, I mean again,

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<v Speaker 3>we're in the middle of nowhere, in this beautiful spot,

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<v Speaker 3>and this guy thought it was a good idea to

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<v Speaker 3>run across where the photos were being taken so many times, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>three different times, yea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, all right, we should probably talk about the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, Well, I mean, hey, we did good. We

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<v Speaker 1>were within our talk of time. A right, So David,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, many of us already know that David

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<v Speaker 1>and many times.

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<v Speaker 2>What he did was he.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrote them, you know, throughout his journey and and and

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<v Speaker 1>it'll literally tell us when he wrote them, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>each psalm had a tune. They were actually songs, right

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't have the charts, we don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>chords of the melodies. But he actually would write music.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a musician. And this one says a psalm

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<v Speaker 1>of David which he sang to the Lord concerning Cush

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<v Speaker 1>of the tribe of Benjamin, which is right where we

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<v Speaker 1>are chronologically in his life.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So right there in Psalm seven, i'll read

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<v Speaker 3>it today. It says, I come to you for protection,

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<v Speaker 3>O Lord, my God, save me for my persecutors. Rescue me.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't, they will maul me like a lyon lion,

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<v Speaker 3>tearing me to pieces with no one to rescue me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Lord, my God. If I've done wrong, or I'm

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of justice, injustice, if I betrayed a friend or

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<v Speaker 3>plundered my enemy without cause, then let my enemies capture me.

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<v Speaker 3>Let them trample me into the ground and drag me,

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<v Speaker 3>drag my honor in the dust. Arise, O Lord, in anger,

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<v Speaker 3>stand up against a fury of my enemies. Wake up,

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<v Speaker 3>my God, and bring justice. Gather the nations before you

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<v Speaker 3>rule over them from on high. The Lord judges the nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Declare me righteous, o Lord, for I am innocent almost

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<v Speaker 3>high End the evil of those who are wicked, and

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<v Speaker 3>defend the righteous. For you look deep within the mind

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<v Speaker 3>and heart, Oh righteous God, God is my shield, saving

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<v Speaker 3>those whose hearts are true and right. God is an

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<v Speaker 3>honest judge. He is angry with the wicked every day.

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<v Speaker 3>If a person does not repent, God will sharpen his sword,

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<v Speaker 3>he will bend and string his bow. He will prepare

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<v Speaker 3>his deadly weapons and shoot his flaming arrows. The wicked

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<v Speaker 3>conceive evil. They are pregnant with trouble and give birth

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<v Speaker 3>to lies. They dig a deep pit to trap others,

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<v Speaker 3>then fall into it themselves. The trouble they make for

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<v Speaker 3>others backfires on them. The violence they plan falls on

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<v Speaker 3>their own heads. I will thank the Lord because he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, yes, And you know it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>Of become like Christ, become like God, what God wants

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I guess what I was going to say is,

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<v Speaker 1>What did it mean to David? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>have to short of apply and say, Okay, God, what

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<v Speaker 1>does this mean for me? Because every verse, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a sermon in there somewhere, right, every verse

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<v Speaker 1>can lead you to Christ. But anyway, what I was

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<v Speaker 1>just going to say is, sometimes when we are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to receive a psalm for us today in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>we come across things that could be a little discouraging.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it says He's angry with the wicked every day.

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<v Speaker 1>his bow, he will prepare his weapons, the weapons and

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, holy cow, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like those of us who have a past, those of

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<v Speaker 1>us who currently struggle. You know, I can imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>right now, They're like, that's me. I'm the wicked person, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Good, I'm just not as disciplined as I want to be, right, Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>And so let's just be reminded. Here's the here's the

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<v Speaker 1>statement of the day that God still does hate wicked

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<v Speaker 1>things every day. So the Bible says that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So God

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<v Speaker 1>does not change God. Whatever sin that God hated in

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<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament, God still hates in the New Testament. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nowhere in.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bible does it say that God has changed his

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<v Speaker 1>stance on sin, nor does he feel about sin any

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<v Speaker 1>differently than he did even back then. The only difference is,

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<v Speaker 1>and trust me it is a massive difference, is God's

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<v Speaker 1>response to sin changes greatly. So God's response to sin

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<v Speaker 1>is different because of Jesus Christ. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the Old Testament we see.

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<v Speaker 1>The God of wrath, right, you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>God executes his judgment on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>For sin, you know, and he just boom, just lays

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<v Speaker 1>You know, We're going to strike people down and again,

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<v Speaker 1>he struck people down in the New Testament and in

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<v Speaker 2>The Book of Acts.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, like, there's still execution, you know, happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament post Christ. But for the most part, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to understand that God's response to us in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four for our sin is radically different than it

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So what happens in the Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, you know, they would live trying their best to

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<v Speaker 1>please God, and obviously because of their sin, they would

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice an animal. The Bible says in the Book of Hebrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Without the shedding of blood, there is no repentance for sin.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no forgiveness of sin. And so they would excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have to offer a blood sacrifice. In those

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<v Speaker 1>blood sacrifices they would have to offer continually. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible says that Jesus Christ was the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>He was the Lamb of God.

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<v Speaker 1>John the Baptist said that takes away the sins of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world. When his blood was shed, it covered

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<v Speaker 1>all of our sins, not only all the sins that

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<v Speaker 1>the future, all of our future sins. God's one sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>for our lives. So I just want to say, as

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<v Speaker 1>we receive this psalm, just know this God is still

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<v Speaker 1>a God of justice. He's still a God who hates sin.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still a God who, by the way, will have

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<v Speaker 1>us answer for our sins. Right, we have judgment in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. Judgment is still relevant. We have to answer

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<v Speaker 1>for our sins. The Bible says, our sins are going

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<v Speaker 1>to find us out right. Whatsoever we sow, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>But just know that his.

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<v Speaker 1>Anxiousness to sharpen his sword and get you back because

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<v Speaker 1>of your sin, that is not the spirit in which

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<v Speaker 1>we live under the Blood of Christ. Right, God is

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<v Speaker 1>not out to get us. God is out to love us.

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<v Speaker 1>continual forgiveness for our sins.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, especially when you figure the context of who's writing this, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's David, a man after God's own heart yet has

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<v Speaker 3>so much like things that honestly to feel a lot

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<v Speaker 3>me that is kind of a beautiful verse, but also

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<v Speaker 3>this applies to me. But in verse nine, it says,

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<v Speaker 3>Reading that, some people can take soul list in that.

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<v Speaker 3>knows my intentions or pure or whatever. But then others

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<v Speaker 3>to know that that the God actually knows deep within

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<v Speaker 3>it feels a little bit convicting. It feels a little

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<v Speaker 3>pretending to be something or not, Stop pretending like you're perfect, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet he's being completely real about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>yet still deeply loves him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know, I mean, you know, he's not claiming

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<v Speaker 1>But when he does say that, at the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>let the enemies capture me, tramp me in the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I love this.

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<v Speaker 1>this have you ever been falsely accused or so badly

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<v Speaker 1>out to God for justice. The proper response to slander

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<v Speaker 1>is prayer, not revenge, because God says I will take revenge,

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<v Speaker 1>I will pay them back, and then it give us

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<v Speaker 1>some cross references, and it says, instead of striking back,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if you could relate to this, but

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<v Speaker 2>Something you know well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't want to get into details, because

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<v Speaker 1>of that involved in leaving my other church. And as

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<v Speaker 1>long as you've known me, even personally in conversation, how

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<v Speaker 1>many times have you ever heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Me mention this?

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<v Speaker 1>And the answer is almost zero? Right, I never talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I certainly never say anything publicly. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why is because my goal isn't to slander other churches.

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<v Speaker 1>My goal isn't to say bad things about people. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no good that'll come from that. You know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when we leave churches, sometimes it's a really good leaving

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's complicated, right and so and so my goal is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to slander anybody listening who knows anything about my leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will say one thing, and again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. This is a very it feels like a

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<v Speaker 1>very safe comment. Okay, a very safe comment. There was

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<v Speaker 1>there was a thing that happened where you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>on a leave of absence and and and all I

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, hey, listen, I said, do me a favor.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, just make a statement, and make the statement

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<v Speaker 1>that says, hey, the reason why Chris is on leave

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<v Speaker 1>absence has nothing to do with anything illegal, immoral, or unethical.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when you hear that a pastor gets put on

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<v Speaker 1>leav absence, that's where everybody's brain goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I said, you filmed the gap.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, so yeah. I said, we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>talk details, not have to slander.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to say anything bad, orbout anything about anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, just do me a favor and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you're able to say this. Well, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>refused to make that statement. And I won't get into

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why. I have my opinions as the reason why,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, but that statement was not allowed to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>And so consequently, I remember doing a funeral down way

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<v Speaker 1>like forty five minutes away, right. I remember a funeral

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<v Speaker 1>director heard me, heard my name, and he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>are you Chris Arbo? And I said yeah, and he goes, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes. I heard from a from a good friend's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter's friend who used to go to the who said

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<v Speaker 1>that you had an affair with your secretary.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, and there it is, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's the false accused part, right, It's the

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<v Speaker 1>it's the it's the it's the part that says, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exactly what we're talking about here, And it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we could have avoided everything just by being able to

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<v Speaker 1>say the reason why he was on leave absence has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with anything illegal, immoral, or ethical. Just

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<v Speaker 1>please make that statement, because people are people, right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I I have dealt with a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I have dealt a lot with this, Yeah, being falsely accused.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because even though I wasn't technically accused, I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was not given the chance to so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of defeiding that went on. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and I again, I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it, but uh and so again I've not said

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<v Speaker 1>anything bad about previous leadership at all. The one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've said is I've dealt with feelings like David

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<v Speaker 1>has right, which is like, hey, if I if I've

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<v Speaker 1>done these things, hey, God, then go ahead and drag

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<v Speaker 1>my honor through the dust. But if not, then do

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<v Speaker 1>me a favor God, through your power, restore my reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, I've always believed. I have this

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<v Speaker 1>on my desk for years, years and years and years,

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty years. Woodrow Wilson, our former president, said something

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<v Speaker 1>that I'll never forget, and I've lived by this my

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<v Speaker 1>whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>And here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, if I take care of my character, my

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<v Speaker 1>reputation will take care of itself.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really good, that's great quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, And so I have no choice in that

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<v Speaker 1>situation to say, hey, it's not my job to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Public and say hey, blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not my job to do that, right, my

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<v Speaker 1>only job is to love God and to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of my character. And if I take care of my character,

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<v Speaker 1>my reputation is going to take care of itself.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really do think, you know, reading this scripture,

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<v Speaker 3>you see David, I think God is going to bless him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna bless you, he's gonna bless me, He's going

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<v Speaker 3>to bless our listeners. When our first response is to

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<v Speaker 3>speak back or try to you know, to try to

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<v Speaker 3>make things right or try to you know, do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But instead David completely surrendered it over to God and

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<v Speaker 3>cried out to him and asked for the evil to

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<v Speaker 3>be the wicked to be dealt with. And he's asking

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<v Speaker 3>for God's judgment. And that's the best way to go

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<v Speaker 3>about it, right, to try to talk to God, to

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<v Speaker 3>like to cry out to God, pray to God, release

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<v Speaker 3>it to God, and try not to take retribution into

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<v Speaker 3>your own hands. I think that's that's a really good

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<v Speaker 3>takeaway from this from this section here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know what, there's nothing too much we

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<v Speaker 2>can do.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many things that are out of our control,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately we have to get to that point to

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<v Speaker 1>where he's like, God, I can't fix this.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't control this. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine had I tried to, you know, fix

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<v Speaker 1>it in some way in my own.

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<v Speaker 3>Power, it might have made it worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have made it worse. I would have made

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<v Speaker 1>it worse. And so the best thing I could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>do is, you know, here it is, you know, five

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<v Speaker 1>years later and never once publicly, this is That's the

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<v Speaker 1>most what I just said. And I didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I said was I wanted a statement

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<v Speaker 1>to be made and it wasn't made. That's the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I said here. But that's the most I've said

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<v Speaker 1>publicly since I've been gone five years. And uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and so in those kinds of cases, we just say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems incredibly unfair and undeserving, but God, please just

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<v Speaker 1>do what you're gonna do. You take cand of that,

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<v Speaker 1>You handle this, you take care of it. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing we can do is just to say, God,

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<v Speaker 1>please just step in on my behalf and take care

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<v Speaker 1>of it, because you know that's that's all I can

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<v Speaker 1>hope for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's really good. That's really good wisdom right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, hey, well that looks to be our time. And

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<v Speaker 1>my wife's gonna be mad that I said all those.

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<v Speaker 3>Things, but nah, it's okay. Just forgive him. Forgive him, Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be mad.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe he's that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, Hey, I didn't think I said

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<v Speaker 1>too much, So no, it's all good, buddy. All right, buddie,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's go ahead and sign off, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next time on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, see tomorrow