Living the Dream

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This episode presents Part 2 of the conversation between Bishop T.D. Jakes and Pastor Carl Lentz where they continue to discuss how tragedy fatigue can be a real thing and the importance of having a stronger commitment to God over any other allegiance.

Show Notes

Bishop T.D. Jakes and Pastor Carl Lentz continue their discussion on racism in America. 


"Our silence is abuse."  


Speaking to Lentz about the problem of systemic racism in the US, Jakes - the bishop of The Potter's House, a non-denominational American megachurch, says that this is not a new problem. It's not the result of the pandemic. It's a result of a spiritual pandemic and a cultural pandemic that has existed in America from the very foundations. We've never dealt with it, we don't talk about it. It's taboo to discuss it.


Discussing the brutality that many African-Americans experience at the hands of law enforcement, Jakes also put in clear terms what he wishes to see change. One of these much-needed changes is for police officers to not allow their fraternity to other police officers to be stronger than their commitment to God. They can not have such an allegiance to the other officers that they willingly betray God to protect them. Additionally, the famous preacher added that he is not asking for black people to be immune from arrest, in as much as no person, regardless of race, should be treated as above the law. 


“And if God could love me and God lives in you, then how can you say that He dwells in you and you could stand there and watch a grown man cry for his mama?”


According to Bishop Jakes, we need to speak up for God’s sake. Do whatever we can do with whatever we can do. There has to be a shift where people start holding themselves accountable. We can not have churches that are one dimensional, and we can not have pastors that are one dimensional, and we can not have parties that are one dimensional. And most importantly, we need to reject that notion of a world that excludes people that Jesus died for.  


“And if we are the children of God, then we ought to love who God loves. We ought to care when God cares and we ought to fight when God fights for each other.” 


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Global Hope India: For over 20 years we have been watching God radically transform thousands of Americans & Indian Nationals through missions. We’ve taken nearly 1,000 Americans on short-term mission trips to India. We work with 12 long-term indigenous church planting partners located in North, South, East, & West mainland India as well as Northeast India. We empower the Church in India to make Christ known through leadership, child, & village development projects. Global Hope India is a federally recognized 501(c)3 nonprofit organization located in Morrisville, North Carolina. All gifts are tax-deductible. More about GHI.

More about Living the Dream Podcast

Meet Pastor Kevin: Pastor Kevin is Founder and Executive Director of Global Hope India and your host for Living the Dream Podcast. He’s a poor kid from rural North Carolina, but get this… He just returned from his 50th trip to India in 20 years. If he doesn’t yet hold the Guinness Book of World Records for the most trips to India then he’s got to be close. He’s flown over a million miles to 27 different countries. He’s taken nearly 1,000 people on mission trips to India. Global Hope India has seen thousands of Indian Nationals and Americans radically transformed by God through missions. The miracle continues! More about Pastor Kevin.

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The Living the Dream podcast is where Church staff and volunteers get comfortable and aligned with the reality that God is moving millions of foreign-born internationals into our communities. We focus on this incredible opportunity God is giving us to change the world! We know how this story ends! Rev 7:9-12 shows us a Church filled with EVERY nation, tribe, & tongue gathered together worshipping Jesus. Welcome to Living the Dream podcast where we help The Church be on earth as it is in heaven.