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with guitar cases, yeah, symbol
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mean, I was catching a flight to
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did a three piece band show
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area the southwest, there's a
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little stage there in the
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all this ruckus, and I'm like,
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You know, he's made an
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Couldn't believe it. That's
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more things like that. I think
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operandi there has been, the
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you're going exiting to go get
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stage here by this coffee shop.
Yeah, yeah. I think it pays 40

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bucks. Oh, really, yeah, it's a
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This is the rich Redmond show.

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What's up, folks? Yep, your
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another exciting episode of the

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rich Redmond show. Usually we
talk about all things like

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music, motivation, success,
wherever the evening takes us.

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Jim McCarthy, how's Jim McCarthy
voiceovers.com? Jim McCarthy

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voiceovers, dot j, m, V, O,
s.com, that's right, man, you

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got so many businesses. It's
your show.co. We're here at your

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amazing facility where you do
your garage door stuff. Tell us

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about your side hustles, bud.
Oh, geez. Where do I start?

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Yeah, so we got the voiceovers,
we got podcasting, we've got

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garage doors and lighting, yeah,
all congruent. You're a

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renaissance man. Well, I mean,
it's, it's a lot more people

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just than me that make all these
things happen. That's great.

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But, I mean, you're a part owner
of an amazing company, and maybe

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in 10 years, you evaluate the
thing, you cash out, you go

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somewhere, you got a palm tree,
maybe, is that the plan that's

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that could be a plan that's the
American dream, it kind of is,

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but I still want purpose. You
got to have purpose in this

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life. You do have purpose. I
feel like everything you do

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brings value to people's lives,
helps change their lives. Thank

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you. Yeah, man. I mean, we're
going on almost 20 years of

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knowing each other, so yeah, and
you know what? You're one of the

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most solid

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no BS, friends I've had in my
life, really? Oh, yeah. I mean,

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I can laugh in front of you. I
can cry in front of you. We can

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have an IPA together. We can
have a cigar together. That's

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right, yeah, no. We asked me if
I'm wearing a new shirt, all the

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stuff. It's very inside joke
there. But I turned the hat

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around. Yeah, he was wearing a
news A newsy cap. Do you get

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that from the Men's Warehouse?
Or what was it? I got it from

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Boston, Boston. Scally, calm.

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Check those guys out. You're
funny, buddy. Hey. The only

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thing I was just gonna say is
that we've been talking to a lot

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of a lot, a lot about Spring
Hill, because I'm a New Spring

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Hill I'm a spring hillian, and
I'm enjoying it. Less than a

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mile from my house is my gym, my
bank, the Publix, a cigar bar,

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the Walgreens Mexican
restaurant, two miles to the

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podcasting studio, two miles to
the highway. Mexican restaurants

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here are about a mile apart.
Yeah, there's a lot of in

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general, yeah, yeah. Hey, let's
get into it. People are looking

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at us funny. We got an amazing
guest. We a lot of great stories

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here today. Today's guest,
hailing from Rochester, New

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York, calling Nashville home.
Since 2020

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he has been the lead guitarist
and musical director for rocker

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Lou Graham, an icon. Lou Graham,
one of the greatest rock singers

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of all time. He's currently also
the guitarist for the Lou Graham

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all stars. And he has been from
21 to 24 2021 to 2024 former

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guitarist for Canadian Music
Hall of Fame recording artist,

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the guest who he's played with a
lot of other luminaries. We're

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talking the Paul Stanley's, the
Carmine and Vinny applicies, the

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Nancy Wilson's, the Dennis
Elliott's, the Paul Rogers. Of

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course, we're talking about our
friend Michael sterto. What's

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up, bud, how are you that's
that's a mouthful, man, a lot of

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accomplishments. That was kind
of cool. I enjoyed listening.

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It's great when you get to hear,
you know, your body of work,

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your your history and the music
business all in one, one fell

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swoop. Yeah, you've been busy,
man, I've been busy working

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hard, working hard, and we met
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in a bar next to the Saban
theater in Beverly Hills.

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Beverly Hills, right? 2016 Yeah,
that was so cool. I know, super

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small world, small world, very
small world. And here we are,

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and here we are, and we
appreciate you making the hour

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drive to Spring Hill. Great.
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else I got to do today and just
drive around. It's good, you

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know, like scheduling this show.
I always appreciate everyone

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coming on, because in person,
things are going by the wayside.

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Everyone's like, Hey kid, let's
just do zoom. You know what I

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mean? But you know, making the
trek to Spring Hill is a great,

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great We appreciate it. Thanks
for having me on the show, man.

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I really appreciate it. Almost a
spring hillian, almost, almost,

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yeah, quite, yeah. Not quite,
almost, almost just missed.

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He went way north. So I was
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Nashville, and you told me,
during the pandemic, yeah,

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during the pandemic actually,
right? Like,

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actually we came down

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the day after New York.

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lockdown, and then we found a

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place to live and went back
home, sold everything, and we

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were actually living here with
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July, 2020, so, so technically,
we didn't move here during

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pandemic, but we're still under
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yeah, but it was great. It was
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of New York. And I'm really glad
to be here. Yeah, really glad to

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the upstate New York now,
Rochester. Man, there's

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something in the water there,
because that's your. Steve GADS,

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your who else? Chuck Mangione,
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yeah. Chuck a Tello from Spira.
Gyra, Lou Tony Levin, I think

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about Billy. She not too far
down. Yeah, we also here in

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Nashville. Now, buffalo, yeah,
Buffalo is a buffalo guy. Um,

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I'm probably some other people.
I'm forgetting. Shame on me for

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forgetting. But wow, that's
pretty incredible. Now, every

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time I get to, like, Syracuse or
Utica, you know, we got to have

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the Utica greens and all that
stuff. Chicken riggies. Right?

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Chicken riggies. What is right?
Does that creep creep into

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Rochester? Or is Rochester have
a dish? Yeah, we have, like, a

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garbage plate and, like, garbage
chicken French, and, you know,

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stuff like that. What's the
chicken? French? Chicken French

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is, like, like, like a chicken
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batter. And, yeah, it's really,
it's really over capelini and

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some greens. Oh, my God, it's
really good. Yeah, yeah, really.

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And your wife's a piece of cook,
but she's, Yep, she's a chef,

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and she's in the real deal.
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because I think about it's, it
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something tells me it's two
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Christmas party at your house.
It was my birthday party. I was

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your birthday party, and it was
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well fed. We were very well fed.
And you took leftovers, and I

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still haven't got the Tupperware
back. Oh, my God. I don't think

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that's happened. That's okay.

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Oh, my back is Tupperware. Oh,
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That's what happens when you
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this crazy Note to self. I gotta
find that title. I don't need to

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tell because it was probably
really good. No, it was, it was

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we go through it a lot, because
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Yeah, being Italian, you know,
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leave with leftovers. So she's
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Now, what is your mix? It's a
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my mom's side, I have Italian,
Yugoslavian. My dad's side, I

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have a little bit of German and
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type stuff. But, I mean,

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my dad was born in the Ukraine,
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immigrated during World War Two,
ended up in South America, like

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in Sao Paulo, Brazil. So that's
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stuff from growing up listening
to the, you know, the vast

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amount of artists that he
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yeah, was it in Portuguese? He
spoke Portuguese? Yeah, it was a

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beautiful language. Yeah, it's
incredible. I mean, he spoke a

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lot of different languages. It's
pretty incredible. I mean, we

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struggle just to get by with the
you know. I mean, it's so

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impressive when someone speaks
more than one language. A lot of

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times it's like, yeah, you know,
it's English and Spanish. I

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mean, I would be happy with that
well. But then when people were

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like, oh, yeah, German, French,
Italian, it's almost imperative

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to speak Spanish. No, I mean,
it's almost Yeah, it'd be a

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handicap not to that would be
the one to speak, exactly. But I

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know a lot of Angelenos that are
like, Yeah, I've been in there

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30 years, and I don't speak a
lick of it, right? You know?

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Right? Well, I know that when my
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country, they wanted to learn
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proud to become citizens and do
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supposed to do things. And they
kind of left their native

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language behind. They, you know,
vicariously learned from the

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children of how to speak better
English. And we kind of taught

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them, because obviously, they
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there was no education for them,
as far as you know, available to

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them like there was to us. So
they utilized our schooling to

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help them speak better English.
And yeah, they were very proud,

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very proud. That's great, yeah,
yeah. Amazing, man. Amazing. So

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are you enjoying Nashville?
You're five years in love. It

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was a good move. Oh, tremendous.
Yeah. My only regret is not

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doing it way sooner. Yeah, yeah.
I don't. I really have a desire.

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No offense, I love where I came
from. I love everything that

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seasons of life, yeah? I just, I
just where I it's just, you

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know, just something about
Nashville Music City. I mean,

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somebody is writing a song right
now. Somebody's got to do the

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demo, a band's got to get put
together. I mean, that Nashville

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airport is just nothing but dues
with guitar cases, yeah, symbol

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cases coming and going, yeah. I
mean, I was catching a flight to

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go to a show, and Keith Urban
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there, over by, by the tootsies
area the southwest, there's a

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little stage, yeah, there's a
little stage there in the

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corner. And it's like, I hear
all this ruckus, and I'm like,

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Wow, that sounds really good,
you know? And I went over there,

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made an appearance at the
airport. Couldn't believe it.

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That's unbelievable. Maybe
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that. I think they are, because
the modus operandi there has

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been the union will get you that
as you're going exiting to go

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get your bags. There's a tiny
little stage here by this coffee

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shop. Yeah, yeah. I think it
pays 40 bucks. Oh, really, yeah,

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it's a union gig. Oh, I didn't
know that. I.

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I think Keith probably showed up
and said, I'm gonna play there.

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Just get off. He's kind of got
that cloud. It wasn't that

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stage, though. It was. It was a
it was further in, yeah, okay,

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yeah. So that I, whenever I'm
through there, you see somebody

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at old red you see somebody at
tootsies. You know, is there

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somebody playing? So what stage?
Wasn't the stage in Tootsie?

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past tootsies. And it was, like,

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a little, it's by eighth and
roast. When you go past that,

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there's a little, a little wing,
and I think old red is right

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there. And there's this little,
it's this little setback, yes,

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not very big, yeah. And, and I'm
like, hear this? Bang, bang,

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bang. You know guitar. I'm like,
Wow, these guys are really good.

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I turned a corner and like, Wow,
that's pretty Do you have since

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you're at the airport so much,
do you have your

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your go tos? Like, I know that I
love to go to in the southwest

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wing. I think it's an eighth and
roast, or it's another one of

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these hipster

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barista parlor. Okay, I'll go to
the barista parlor. I'll get my

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coffee. But they got these
Wolfgang Pucks and their little,

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these little protein pucks. Oh,
really. Get it Wolfgang. I get

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it again. So anyways, I'll, you
know, that's my go to for the

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for the flight, is my and what's
the name of the place? Barista,

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barista parlor. I haven't seen
that one. Yeah, maybe you're on

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the other wing. I always go to
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Okay, so you're in the other I
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and just kind of hang. Oh, yeah.
Kind of hang, oh, it's so nice.

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Yeah, it's very nice. Now, does
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and that allows you to do that.
You have to pay the year. Well,

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you could pay or you do points.
I just used to do points, and

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they got food in there. Oh, it's
great. Drinks. Yeah, you're not

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a member of any sky club where
you nobody really clean

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bathrooms. Nice. It's important.
Yeah, you should. You should

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probably look into it. I like
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that. You know, recent years,
we've been flying private more

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because Jason's kind of got the
mug, yeah, and it's great

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because you just park your car,
you walk in, you get your

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coffee, and they load the thing
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as fast as a commercial flight.

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Not bad. Don't you miss being
grow up by TSA though. You

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know, the funny thing about TSA
is, you all that rigmarole,

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right? And they say that they
catch maybe 2% of the things.

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So, and then the other thing I
got to complain about is I'm,

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I'm Global Entry, I'm clear,
pre, and I'm TSA Pre, right,

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right? The lines end up being
the same because now they're

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just given that stuff to anytime
clear the line, the line of

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clear is usually longer. It's
easier to go through TSA Pre and

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scoot through there. Yeah,
that's ridiculous. You know,

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it's kind of like when, when,
uh, Instagram and Twitter were

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selling the blue check. Yeah?
Like, yeah, you can buy it now.

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Nobody's special, yeah, I know,
yeah, Elon, that's right.

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Family, well, actually,
Instagram, I think, started that

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too. And yeah, meta, now, have
you gotten your, your your

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verification on tick tock,
because you have to show your

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driver's license. I don't
necessarily feel good about

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that. You already did. We got
that for you a long time ago.

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Oh, you got to check for me.
Yeah? Or the rich Redmond show,

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tick tock. Not rich. Redmond,
show for rich. Redmond, oh yeah,

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yeah. So what's the hesitation
on showing your license? I don't

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know because, because

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the DMV doesn't already, the
government doesn't. Everybody's

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got everything on you, right? I
know. So let's talk about the

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government. Okay, let's get

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where do we start?

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Are we? Are we conspiratorial
minded here, or is the earth

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flat around? I would say, I
would probably say that I'm

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definitely conspiratorial minded
as am I. You know, Jim loves

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these tangents. In the 90s, I
jumped on the whole X Files

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thing, and that was my gateway
into the conspiracies.

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I try to be very selective about
what conspiracies I talk to and

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who I talk to them for, because
it seems like it can turn into a

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very interesting dynamic. There
are some people that really take

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it to extremes. There is people
who take it to an extreme, but I

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will say that Alex Jones has
been vindicated, man, I'm glad

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you brought him up. I listened
to him a long time ago, quite

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intently, in the 90s, you know.
And he had the End Games and,

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you know, the Obama deception
and all that stuff, all those

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videos and, and they're very
compelling. He makes a

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compelling argument. You know,
it's good to be open minded,

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listen, yeah, because now the
big thing is Project Blue Beam.

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Have you been hurt hearing about
all the drones? Oh, yeah, UAP

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sightings over New Jersey and
Northeast and everything as

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well. Yeah, so what? But which,
which ones are you passionate

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about

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that you don't mind? Because we
know the Earth is round, okay,

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we know I don't understand. I'm
a tree though. Yes, I'm

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intrigued by the full, Flat
Earther concept, like, it

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doesn't make sense to me,
because when you fly, okay, you

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can, I don't know if it's just
suggested that there's a

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curvature to the earth, because
we've been told that. Or you

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look out the window of a plane,
you're like, Yeah, I can kind of

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see, you know that there's, I
don't know. I've never been to

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space, yeah, so I can't really
tell you we see.

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The Earth. I'd like to believe
that too. I like to believe that

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too. We see, my thing has always
been, you see other planets in

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their round, why would be the we
be the exception, and why would

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we it's a planet. I mean, it's
flat. Why would we even bother

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trying to perpetrate it? What's
the purpose behind it? Wow,

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where this is going to be fun.

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So Marty Ray was on my podcast.
Oh yeah, he's great. He actually

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is, I think, a believer in
flatter. I'm like, Really, yeah,

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I'm intrigued by that whole as a
lot of people that are having a

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lot to say about that nowadays
and and to me, I just kind of, I

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try to embrace it. I'm not
seeing it. But hey, man, what do

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I know? I can't I'm just one
guy, you know, I can't prove

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that it's true. I can't prove
it's not true. It's fun to talk

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about, yeah, it's fun to talk
about, yeah. It's, you know,

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it's like, when you got in
trouble, when you're a kid,

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you're like, I'm not saying I
did it. I'm not saying I didn't

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say I didn't, neither confirm
nor do. I'm not saying nothing.

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So I'm just gonna leave it at
that. Yeah, be really careful

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about that's good. What are some
other ones that are that I've

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Oh, 911 Oh, that's a biggie. Did
we land on the moon? Oh, that

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right? There's another one,
right? There's the movie, right?

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Fly Me To The Moon with garlic.
Johansen, but, I mean, it's not,

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it's not uncommon. That's true,
that truth is stranger than

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fiction. You even had a movie
like wag the dog back in the

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90s, where they fabricated, you
know, a false flag event that

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spurred on and a distraction
from a presidential controversy

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Allah Clinton. So it was, it's
not uncommon for these things to

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happen, like even the the FBI,
not the FBI, but the United

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Healthcare shooter.

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It's almost I was part of a
conversation not too long ago,

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and they were talking, you know,
he was a rich kid and blah,

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blah, blah and all this other
stuff. And this happened, and he

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went dark. And I'm like, I'm
like, But doesn't that scream

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Patsy to you? I mean, a little
bit of Lee Harvey Oswald going

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on here. I mean, this is that
guy was a trained assassin man.

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Well, they say it's easier,
easier to fool someone, then

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they convince them that they've
been fooled, right? So anyway, I

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mean, but why did he go and get
caught on camera buying wet

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protein bars or something
McDonald's? Oh, what the he's

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trying to get a McRib or
something. You know, he took his

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season for McRibs,

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hard to kind of duplicate
somebody in a vicinity. I mean,

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maybe, okay, he's wearing this.
He typically wears a hoodie,

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yeah? You know. And then you,
you can actually get those. I've

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seen these masks. They look
legit, dude. You can look like

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Kanye West, it's scary, yeah,
yeah. Jim Carrey, right? Joe

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Biden, are they wearing? Is they
selling these like an online

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retailer? Yeah, they're just
like a little stocking mask

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it's, they've been doing masks
forever. I mean, as far as,

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like, you know, I mean, look at
face off, you know, the movie,

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you know, right? Nick Cage. Pick
the end of, uh, Captain America,

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Winter Soldier, where she takes
the whole basket off her face.

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And it turns out to be Natalie,
yeah, Black Widow. But what do

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we know, right? But that's the
thing, is that, are they telling

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us something with these movies
that came like, all of a sudden

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they came out with, they say,
like, they say, they deliver

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their agenda through, right
through entertainment. But

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again, you know, you had civil
war that came out just

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suggesting that, or just
suggesting you've got homestead

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coming out that's another movie
that's all about, you know,

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like, what are they telling us?
What are you guys planning?

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Yeah, what are you planning?

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Jim, what is one of those secret
societies where you have to be

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approached to be in it, and they
have a meeting, and they're,

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it's not the it's the Mason.
Masons. You got the big one is,

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uh, Illuminati. Illuminati. But
if you were approached to be a

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Mason, would you do it? I don't
even know what really is, it's

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like, is that like joining the
Oaks Lodge?

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You have to be asked, right?
Well, every town has a Masonic

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Temple, you know, with a whole
thing. And, yeah, there's, there

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are people that proudly wear it
too, yeah, and there's people

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that wear it. Don't even
understand what they're wearing.

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They just, you know, it's part
of fashion, part of, you know,

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because, I mean, the Masons were
some of the founders of the

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country, right, you know, right?
George Washington. George

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Washington, Mason, yeah. Then
you watch national treasure with

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Nicolas Cage. Yeah, that a lot
to do with that, all the

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symbolism on the dollar and,
yeah, things of that. Yeah,

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that's true. Now, now back to
music.

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So much simpler,

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conspiracies and music, yeah,
let's talk about, I gotta say,

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bunch of those. It's gotta be so
satisfying to play music with

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Lou Graham. It's pretty amazing.
Yeah, one of the greatest rock

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singers of all time, arguably,
arguably, probably the greatest

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of a generation. I mean, of top
three, you know, you have, if

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like, well, you think of the AR
era that he's from, sticks

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journey, Warner, reo, the Big
Four, if you will, yeah, you

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know, he's right up there with,
you know, I mean, in my top

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three, Steve Perry, Paul Rogers
and Luke.

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Am all Rogers, you know, now you
got a chance to play with them.

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Yeah, we did. We did a bunch of
shows when I was when I was

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playing with Lou last tenure.

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We did several shows with that,
and that was incredible. I

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remember he's a nice chap too.
He's not, he's incredible. He's

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just a nice guy, regular guy. I
got to play with him last year

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on a television show. He came in
with his yellow tambourine. He

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said it proudly down on the drum
riser, basically pointed out.

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And he was like, That's my
tambourine. That's my tamper.

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Don't be very proud of that
tambourine. And he plays it

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great, yeah, yeah, don't touch
it. He's incredible. Yeah, don't

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even look at it, yeah, don't
look at it. My tambourine, my

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tambourine.

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We would constantly invite him
out to our encore because we

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were direct support for bad
company. And we used to open up

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the Encore with the instrument,
instrumental version of hot all

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right now into hot blooded. So
we would,

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every day, every you know, we
get into a city, we'd pop in

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his, in his in his dress room,
and say, Hey Paul, you know, if

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you want to come sit in with us.
That'd be great, you know, I'll

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think about it. I'll think about
it now. Little backstory, so

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Paul is Lou's idol singer, like
That's his favorite singer and

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person who's emulated. So one
night, he decided to surprise

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us, and we got done playing the
All right now instrumentation.

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And every once in a while, Lou
would like do a verse of all

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right now, and it would be all
predicated on his mood. And we'd

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have to really be on our on our
game to make sure that, you

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know, we didn't end it. And he,
if he wanted to sing it, we

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would continue to play at least
the verse of the song and then

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go into hot blooded, well, this
one particular night, Lou came

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out from the left side of the
stage, and he started singing,

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you know, yeah, she was, you
know, just a verse. And then

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from the right side of the stage
Paul came, and it was like, I

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had, like, goosebumps, things
like this, two other they were

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kind of, like, not trying to
outdo each other singing, but,

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you know, polite battle. Yeah,
there they were. They were, you

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know, and it was really cool. It
was really cool. And it's

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similar, because they got
similar feels and tempos. Yeah,

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I think hot blooded might be a
little faster. Um, yeah, I can't

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remember what, what, yeah,

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yeah, very similar, yeah, yeah,
but that would be a good medley.

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Did you guys just keep the same
same tempo? Yeah, we kept the

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same tempo and went ready to it.
And the other thing too is that

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I don't know if a lot of people
know this or not, but Lou

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started out as a drummer. I know
that, yes, yeah. So yeah, band

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Black Sheep that he was in
before foreigner, and then he

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came out and they couldn't find
a singer. Well, he realized,

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Hey, I'm a pretty damn good
singer. Yeah, maybe I should

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stand in the front of the band.
I think that's what makes his

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vocal style unique too. Is
probably because his his, how he

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delivers the cadence of his
vocals. It's a very different

418
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,720
mindset. You probably could
speak to that. I mean, you, you,

419
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,660
I don't know if you do, you
sing. I sing in the shower.

420
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:50,800
Yeah, that's amazing.

421
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,960
Well, it's almost like Eminem
with his the way he would

422
00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:59,680
pattern, the syncopation of his
lyrics and stuff like that, are

423
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,920
very drum Eminem man, he
squeezes so much and so much

424
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,420
density into like, Lin Manuel,
Miranda, yeah, you know the way

425
00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:12,420
he writes his stuff, like,
there's like, 80% more

426
00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:16,020
information in Hamilton than any
other Broadway show. Wow.

427
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:19,260
Because he had to stuff up in a
lot of information, historical

428
00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:22,220
information in the show, yeah.
So he's playing with Lou. Is

429
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:25,460
incredible. He's amazing singer,
mate, you know, legend. And

430
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,180
seems to me like it'd be a nice
guy, great guy. Yeah, he's

431
00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,160
really, really down to earth,
salt of the earth. Just like,

432
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,920
kind of gather, we'd like eat
with you, and catering, kind of,

433
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,080
oh yeah, oh yeah. I just had
some. We had breakfast last

434
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,320
weekend together sitting in the
hotels, yeah, talking about,

435
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,020
they passed the hot sauce, yeah,
past.

436
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,340
So you know what's so funny is
that foreigners celebrating

437
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:48,820
what, 50 years coming up on 50
years, yeah, and I think I saw

438
00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:50,020
them on their

439
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,720
30th, okay, at the at the wild
horse saloon. Oh, wow. And one

440
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,440
of my childhood heroes, Denny
karmas, was playing. Oh, really.

441
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,420
And

442
00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:07,020
after that, Lou got sick, I
think is in the 90s, I think,

443
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:09,900
like, yeah, yeah. Very
unfortunate situation. So it was

444
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:12,360
brain cancer. No, no. He had a
brain tumor. Brain tumor, yeah,

445
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,980
it was non cancerous. And he
found a doctor in Boston that

446
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:20,540
was able to to thankfully,
remove it without doing too much

447
00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:24,800
damage and, and here he is still
persevering, you know, 74 years

448
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,400
old, still sounding great, yeah.
And God bless him. I mean, I

449
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,220
can't imagine what it would have
been like, not, you know, having

450
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:33,800
something happen. God forbid
that back then, you know, yeah,

451
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:36,980
he's a amazing human being, and
I'm very grateful. Yeah, and

452
00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:39,860
does he live in upstate New
York? He splits his time between

453
00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:44,140
Florida in upstate New York.
Yeah, we actually grew up in the

454
00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:48,040
same town in Rochester, on the
west side, little town of gates,

455
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,620
went to the same high school
different times. Of course, he's

456
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,500
Yeah, so our families, our
families were friends. Has he

457
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,260
been honored by his high school
or, yeah, he's in a high school

458
00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:59,020
hall of fame, and he's in the
Rochester Music Hall of Fame,

459
00:24:59,020 --> 00:24:59,920
yeah? And he's.

460
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,840
Getting inducted in 2025 with
black sheep, the only person in

461
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,080
the roster Music Hall of Fame to
be inducted twice now. Yeah,

462
00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:10,080
there's a new question, wow. I
want to start bringing forth.

463
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,140
Yeah, man, in this show that I
keep it, we did it in the last

464
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:16,860
one with Mr. John spittle being
that you're living in the same

465
00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:21,500
town. Do you be like, Lou, come
on over. Let's hang Yeah, we've

466
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,020
done that before. Yeah, we've
been at should we have parties

467
00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:26,420
dinner, you know, does he have
you to his house? Oh, yeah,

468
00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:29,480
yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's
pretty cool. Yeah, he's, he's, I

469
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,840
mean,

470
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:34,040
he's a regular guy. I mean, it's
really, really, he puts on his

471
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:37,400
underwear one love at a time,
which is funny, because I put

472
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,340
mine on two legs at a time. You
just jump in. I'm like a hero.

473
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,740
It's, you just jump right in. Is
that? What that spider man, that

474
00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:49,840
shield is, Jim is that would be
Captain America, sorry. My bad,

475
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,720
my bad. And Eddie Van Halen
behind that? Well, my wife

476
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,940
painted that. You can't see
this. I really got to get a

477
00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:58,360
camera on that. Yeah, Courtney
painted that. That's awesome.

478
00:25:58,540 --> 00:26:01,740
That's cute. I said it's called
frankenstrat. Yeah, that's

479
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:04,740
right. Frankenstrand, that's
right. Have you read their book?

480
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:06,720
This is another thing. Well, I
was gonna say

481
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,440
Edward has got to be a hero,
right? Totally.

482
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,700
We're similar. We're all similar
age. Jim is a youngster. Jim's

483
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,200
48 Sure.

484
00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:23,840
Jim is 49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
commanded you not whipping out

485
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,420
your calculator on your phone. I
was doing my math. You're a

486
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,940
drummer. So you can figure that
out. So you should figure that

487
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:32,060
out quick. Yeah, have you read
their book? Alex's book? No, I

488
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:35,300
have it on audio I haven't
busted into yet. I'm trying to

489
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:38,360
finish Rick Rubin's book right
now. Oh, and

490
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:43,420
how's that? It's pretty cool.
Yeah, pretty cool. I can't sit

491
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,720
and listen to it at length. I
have to do it in chunks. But I

492
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,260
have, I have Alex's book. I also
was sent

493
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:54,940
Rosen's book, that tone chaser
book, that really thick book, he

494
00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:57,340
did all the conversations when
he was working for the guitar

495
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:59,440
magazine, and he had all the
interviews, actually, for all

496
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,380
the interviews, really, that's
pretty cool, yeah, but it's,

497
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,780
there's a lot of information.
There's so many books. I haven't

498
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,180
read the GroEL book. I haven't
read the Alex Van Halen book.

499
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:10,200
Bernard Purdy's got a book,
yeah? Um, some other drummers

500
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,520
got it. And then Robin flans put
out a second Jeff per carro

501
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,460
book. Oh, really, remember we
interviewed, yes, Robin, yeah,

502
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,900
well, I mean, with Alex, because
he reads it, and, yeah, oh,

503
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:24,380
that's cool. And he's, it's so
it's kind of funny to listen to

504
00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:27,560
him, because HE CHUCKLES at
himself. I just saw, I just saw

505
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,400
a interview he did with Anderson
Cooper. That was, yeah, that I

506
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,500
need to watch it. Yeah, that
was, I didn't watch the whole

507
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:35,840
thing. I just watched an excerpt
from it where he talked about,

508
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,740
you know, Eddie's last moments.
And that's pretty incredible. I

509
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:44,080
remember where I was when I
found out I was, I think I was,

510
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:44,260
it

511
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,420
was hanging out with Ryan, Ryan
cook and Philip s house. Who are

512
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:53,140
guys, national guys. We were
having lunch, I think, at Moby

513
00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:55,900
Dickies up in Hendersonville
and, and it came across all our

514
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:58,300
phones, and it was just like, we
were having a really good time,

515
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,780
and, and, and then that news
came in, everybody was just kind

516
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:03,960
of like deflated. It was like,
Holy shit, yeah, he's like, a

517
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480
world without Eddie Van Halen,
yeah, it's incredible. And we

518
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,420
found out neil peart passed
right on when we were recording

519
00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:13,440
the show, yeah, like, I did a
lot of you know, at the time I

520
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,960
was doing a lot of research, and
I think we had

521
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Cole Marcus, good try. Cole
Marcus was on, and I just again

522
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:25,220
right on there, Neil Peart dead
at 6465

523
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,660
and you see my visceral
reaction, yeah, as I find out,

524
00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:32,180
yeah, I don't remember where I
was when I found out about

525
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:35,600
Eddie, but I was like, come on,
two in one year. For crying out

526
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,400
loud, I remember where I was
when Elvis died and I was a kid,

527
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:43,360
you know, but I remember that.
But I think Eddie impacted me

528
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,720
just as much being a big elves
fan. It was just like, you know?

529
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,520
And then Wolfie put out
distance. Well, also, yeah, he

530
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:58,000
put that out, but he also did a
behind the music. It's, it's, I

531
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480
want to say it's on one of the
streaming platforms. Might be

532
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,020
Amazon, yeah, but there's a new
one behind the music on

533
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,340
Wolfgang, and it goes into a lot
like, you see the like, Eddie

534
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:13,980
with the steroid treatment. His
face is swollen, but he's still

535
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:17,460
smiling. Yeah, he's still got
that impish smile. But that

536
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:21,200
song, the distance, yeah, the
voicemail about his dadly. I

537
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,380
mean, you can just tell that
Eddie loved Wolfie so much. Oh

538
00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:26,960
gosh, so touching. I mean, every
time I have a tough time

539
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,060
listening to it, I get really
emotional. You know, I ain't

540
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:32,660
heard of any wolfies music. Oh,
you haven't. I got I gotta check

541
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:35,540
out at his band. Yeah? He plays
everything. He does everything

542
00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:38,300
himself. Plays all, yeah, yeah.
He was on drummeo Recently,

543
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:41,800
yeah. Do you see that? That was
great. He's such a gifted, of

544
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800
course, gifted drummer. He would
look at the mentor he had, I

545
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,620
know, right, you know, and
mentors, yeah, his uncle and his

546
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,800
father, right? Because his uncle
never played with anybody else.

547
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,960
No, he wouldn't. He won't. Nope.
Wolfie on dremio note to sell.

548
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Yeah, yeah. We need to try and
get him on. Yeah, man.

549
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Why? Imagine we get both Wolfie
and Alex on either to try to do

550
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,680
that. Yeah, man, yeah, because
Alex is doing, he's not a hermit

551
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,800
anymore. He's doing interviews.
Get on it. Jim. Anyways,

552
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,240
so what was the we were talking
to, John spittle before this

553
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,320
about, you know, the catalyst
records. And it was, you know,

554
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,600
we're all similar age. So it
was, it was

555
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:28,580
1984 Van Halen and and
synchronicity from the police.

556
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:31,760
What was your big record? That
was like, I'm gonna do this with

557
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,600
my life. That basically broke
from your parents music to your

558
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,080
you. This is my music. Yeah,
yeah. Well, I remember in the in

559
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,420
the mid 70s, like I was
listening to the Saturday Night

560
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:47,080
Fever soundtrack, heck yeah. And
grease soundtrack. And then I

561
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,600
think the edgiest thing that
came out was Charlie Daniels the

562
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,660
Devil Went down to George I had
it on the Columbia Records and

563
00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:56,740
tapes club, yeah. And then a
friend of mine laid Van Halen

564
00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:02,460
one on me. And and you know that
running with the devil bomb. We

565
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,100
just talked It's unbelievable,
right? Like, that's the song,

566
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,340
because it was, it was life
changing, and but it wasn't

567
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:11,340
until eruption you listen to
that you're trying to figure

568
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:13,920
out. You hear the horned car
horn, you know? And you listen

569
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,040
to run with the devil and which
is incredible. And you're like,

570
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,780
holy shit, this is incredible.
Then then eruption comes on, and

571
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:25,100
it was like, What is this like?
What is this an instrument? Is

572
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,740
this a keyboard? Is this a
guitar? And it just blew my

573
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:30,320
mind. I didn't even really play
guitar yet at that time, I was

574
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,200
playing other instruments at the
time. Oh, were they? Well, I

575
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,380
started out as a drummer,
awesome for about six months to

576
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:41,020
a year, and then I left that,
and I started playing violin in

577
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:44,380
grammar grade school. And then I
went from from that to trumpet

578
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:47,200
until I got braces, right, as
you can imagine, with the

579
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480
mouthpiece, then with the
saxophone. And then I kind of

580
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,500
lost interest. And then I as an
elective in eighth grade in

581
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:56,020
middle school, I took guitar. It
was guitar keyboards. I took

582
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:57,940
guitar. I figured, you know,
guitar might be cool, more

583
00:31:57,940 --> 00:32:00,600
portable, yeah. Well, I just, I
was thinking about the whole,

584
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,800
you know, the whole chick, yeah,
exactly. I mean, the keyboard

585
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,920
guy. I mean, although, oh, you
could wear it like Chick Corea,

586
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,820
but it's still not cool. The
guitar, yeah, but, you know, I'm

587
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,580
kind of kicked myself for not
playing keyboards, but I'm glad

588
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,220
I play guitar, you know, see,
I'm glad I play guitar. I think

589
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,500
the guitar players attract a
certain kind of chick woman. And

590
00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:28,280
Billy Joel told a story at UConn
once about he wasn't exactly

591
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,300
popular,

592
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,140
and he didn't have the look
right, but he didn't know how to

593
00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:35,900
play classical piano, and he was
really good at it and everything

594
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,720
he says, I finally got invited
to a party, like a high school

595
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,100
party, and nobody talked to me.
I was by myself and just hanging

596
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,440
out. And I walked around the
house, and lo and behold, in one

597
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,980
of the rooms, it was a piano,
and I started playing. And you

598
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:50,200
know, I was just kind of
noodling around, and I look up

599
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,100
and there was a girl standing
there, so I got even more into

600
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,380
it. And he was playing, he's I
looked up and there were three

601
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:59,620
girls standing there, and he was
like, Okay, this is why

602
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,480
something.

603
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, I
mean, hearing Eddie Van Halen

604
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,500
and trying to do that on the
guitar when I, you know, knew

605
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,280
nothing about the interest, no,
YouTube, no. I mean, did someone

606
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,280
did like guitar? Were there
magazines back and then where

607
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,040
they would do transcriptions,
tablature? No, tab, tab, tab.

608
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,100
Wasn't even really, wasn't even
a thing, yet, it was always

609
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,880
situation, yeah, you know. And
it was always wrong, you know,

610
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:26,300
that never really made sense,
you know, if you transpose the

611
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:26,900
instrument.

612
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200
But Eddie Van Halen never took
credit for the tapping

613
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,200
technique. Well, just, he just
kind of developed it. But there

614
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,720
was people before him to do that
too. So he just, I said, he got

615
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,560
it from Jimmy Page. Oh, really,
yeah, there's a video of him.

616
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640
It's called what it means to be
American, and it's about an hour

617
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,640
long. And he talks about, he
says, Look, I just saw Jimmy

618
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,580
Page, you know, kind of doing
this thing, but he did it on one

619
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:52,000
hand, and he's like, Oh, that's
what he's doing. And he says,

620
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,700
but if I add my other hand, look
what I can do. And that's how it

621
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,340
started. And that's interesting.
You say that too, because back

622
00:33:57,340 --> 00:34:00,240
then you said there was no
videos, there's no tab, there's

623
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,360
no, you know. So you had them
live. You had to, you had to put

624
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,440
the record out, yeah, see it
live, yeah. There was no MTV,

625
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,560
right? There was no, you know,
YouTube. So you had to, like,

626
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
imagine, put the record needle
on the record or cassette tape,

627
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,720
and have to try to figure it out
yourself. What was your first

628
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:21,020
concert? First concert? Well, I
saw a bunch of concerts with my

629
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:24,200
folks. The first concert I went
to without my folks was rush.

630
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:27,740
Oh, my moving pictures. Big one.
Moving Pictures to her, wow.

631
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:30,560
That was incredible. Which ones
you go see with your folks? A

632
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:34,520
bunch of them. I mean, they took
me to see some local bands. I

633
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,580
saw a journey with my dad. He
took me to go see which journey

634
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:40,100
is my Neil Shawn is my favorite.
Oh, my, number one. He's your

635
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:42,220
number one guy. Number one guy.
Number one guy. Yeah, nice,

636
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:44,740
yeah. What do you think about
all the controversy with that?

637
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,620
That's good, that's happening. I
mean, you know, he's your guy,

638
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:52,120
but it's like, dude, just, What?
What? Just stop. Yeah, what's

639
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,960
controversy? It's like he and he
and Jonathan Cain are, like,

640
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,500
fighting all

641
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,920
there. You know, there's
ownership dispute.

642
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,060
And all that crap. And, well, I
think I could throw this out

643
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:07,860
there and safely say that in
music and in bands, it's not

644
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:10,440
really the music that breaks up
the bands. It's the business

645
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,500
that breaks up bands exactly
Publish. And, well, publishing

646
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:17,820
is one, one aspect of it, but
there's, you know, the longer

647
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:21,260
I'm in this business, the more I
realize that, you know, if to

648
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:24,380
really have a good business
acumen is really an advantage

649
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:27,500
for yourself, to have your T's
crossed and your eyes dotted.

650
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:32,300
And the more I learn about
different bands, and the deeper

651
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,420
I get into things I hear well,
you know, that's why this band

652
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:37,700
broke up, or that's why that
band, these guys hate each

653
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,920
other, and it's really
unfortunate situation, because I

654
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,020
think we all get into it for one
common, you know, theme, one

655
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:47,860
cause, because we love the play,
and like you said early on, you

656
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:50,800
know, it draws attention to you.
So if you're a kid, you're

657
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,280
having trouble finding friends,
or it's identity, yeah, it kind

658
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,700
of helps you. It helps you, you
know, break out of your social

659
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:58,360
awkwardness,

660
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:03,180
but it's really disheartening.
When you some of your heroes,

661
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:04,920
you see them go through what
they're going through in the

662
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200
struggle. It's really
unfortunate, but you gotta get a

663
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,780
wonder if it's self inflicted,
though, I think a lot of itself,

664
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:13,260
yeah, they live to a certain,
uh, level, and then all of us,

665
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:15,840
they get used to it, and then
maybe the money gets tight, or

666
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480
something changes, and, you
know, all of a sudden, they

667
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,900
gotta change up their lifestyle.
I'm not changing my lifestyle,

668
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,300
you're gonna change your
lifestyle, ego, greed, you know,

669
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:25,400
all that kind of stuff. You
know, you have handlers telling

670
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,120
you how great you are, and yes,
man, everywhere. Yeah, exactly,

671
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:32,480
exactly. So, Neil Shaw, Neil,
yeah. So you're the kind of guy

672
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:36,020
which you just like play all the
solos, note for note. I try to,

673
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,300
yeah, but I've, I've tried to
take, I've tried to take what

674
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,580
I've learned from those guys,
and try to morph it into style

675
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:45,400
my own, yeah? And try to take
from those Luke there and Neil

676
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,360
and Eddie and Randy Rhoads and
people like that, yeah, now when

677
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,180
you're playing with Lou, yeah,
and you got these iconic,

678
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:55,300
um, uh, guitar solos,

679
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,500
kind of gotta have to have to
have to, because even the soccer

680
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:03,900
mom out there is singing it.
Nobody cares what I think about

681
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,060
the soul they want to hear with
the way it was played, yeah, you

682
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:08,760
know. And I have to do the best
I can. But fortunately for me,

683
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,000
lose generous enough, and he's
done that, done this with, you

684
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,880
know, all the guitar players
after me is, you know, he'll

685
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,460
extend soul sections and and
he'll encourage you to take a

686
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:20,240
little bit of liberty and be
yourself a little bit, you know,

687
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,720
nice. So that's really the cool
aspect about him, is, is he's

688
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,620
just a real generous Yeah. Now,
who is that I am? It's a total

689
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,680
brain fart. I think it's a
privilege. And thing, who was

690
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,060
that drummer that you play with
all the time in Rochester? Oh,

691
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:38,600
Rob. Rob mount, Rob. Yeah, I
haven't seen Rob forever. Yeah,

692
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120
I haven't seen him in I haven't
talked to him in a while. You

693
00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:43,180
guys were great on that
together. He's really good.

694
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:47,320
Yeah. In fact, that that gig
that we met was his first show

695
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160
with Lou, yeah, and you were
there. And I think the next

696
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
night, Steve Gadd was there, and
I think Kenny Aronoff was at one

697
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,940
of the shows in his first little
round of shows. It's so funny

698
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Steve gadd's Son, yeah, Carlo
runs front of house. He did, he

699
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,060
did for a while. Yeah, wow,
yeah, yeah, amazing. Yeah, it's

700
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,520
incredible, because I was
sitting at the canyon club.

701
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Yeah, you know, and I, I'm on a
date. This is after my second,

702
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:18,480
second divorce. Um, just call me
Ross. I'm the divorce guy. Um,

703
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,640
excuse me, there's Steve get and
Carol, like, sitting at the

704
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,100
table next, right behind me. I'm
like, I'm like, What are you

705
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:28,760
doing? My son's running front of
house. Like, yeah, incredible.

706
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,720
And then we got to do a bunch of
fun educational stuff together,

707
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:36,440
yeah, um, we got to be
counselors at the Rock and Roll

708
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,800
fantasy camp. I think this was
2017 something like that. Yeah?

709
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,820
And you have, I think, for
several years, me, you and Luis

710
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:47,560
Espaillat have been

711
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:53,320
players at the School of Rock
thing where we do once a year at

712
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,440
the Ryman, and it's great.
You're so great with the kids,

713
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,260
and you're so giving of your
time, and they love you. And you

714
00:38:59,740 --> 00:39:01,800
like that. You like education?
Totally Yeah. Totally Yeah,

715
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,020
totally Yeah. I taught for a
long time when my kids were

716
00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:07,200
little and I wasn't touring, you
know, I was teaching out of a

717
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200
music store, and I had, you
know, like, about 5060, students

718
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,720
a week, you know, with a with a
healthy waiting list. I was very

719
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,440
fortunate, yeah. And, you know,
the cool aspect is, you can

720
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,780
attest to this is, is, is, you
know, teaching, helping kids

721
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,520
achieve their goals and
perpetuating what we do, and

722
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,600
seeing them go on. And then some
become successful, or some

723
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:33,020
decide to take a departure, but
they take principles that you've

724
00:39:33,020 --> 00:39:36,380
taught them and to whatever they
do. And then you run into them

725
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:39,200
later on, and they'll say, like,
I still play guitar. Or, you

726
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,060
know, if it wasn't for you, I
wouldn't have, you know, I know

727
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:49,480
I had this one student that was
incredible. It was a young kid

728
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,360
named Matthew ran aletta back in
Rochester, and

729
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,620
anything I taught him, like, the
next week, he'd have down, like,

730
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:59,320
eruption is one of the things I
was working on with him. And he

731
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,920
came back and I.

732
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,580
I don't know what to teach this
kid. Well, he was falling on his

733
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:06,480
grades, and his dad showed up
and said, you know, we're gonna

734
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,300
pull him out of the lessons
because, you know, he wanted to

735
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,740
get his education in order.
We're gonna use it as a tool to

736
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:17,520
straighten him out. And once he
gets his grades up, he'll come

737
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,620
back. He came back. Parents were
very grateful. I was very, you

738
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,360
know, trying to help them as
well.

739
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:27,200
I did a corporate event, and I
can't remember where the

740
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,160
corporate event was, with Lou,
and it was acoustic, and we got

741
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,740
done doing sound check, and this
guy comes out of the kitchen

742
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,120
with a chef. Get up on right?
He's like a head chef, and he

743
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,380
says, Are you Michael sarato? I
said, he goes, You remember me?

744
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:44,800
And I said, Where do I know you
from? He goes, it's me. Matthew

745
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,160
reynaletta, oh, my God. I'm
like, wow. What like? What do

746
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
you do with your life? It was on
the head chef at this country

747
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,520
club, blah, blah, blah. And I
just want to thank you for all

748
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,220
the discipline that you helped
me with in my guitar playing. I

749
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:00,760
was able to apply it to my life,
and I was able to achieve it

750
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,840
almost like kind of blown away.
I mean, I away. I mean, I don't

751
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,480
live in that headspace, but it's
the stories like that that

752
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,940
become really gratifying. So to
answer your question, yes, I

753
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:12,600
enjoy, I totally enjoy working
with school of rock and and, and

754
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,140
I'm amazed by, like, this area,
School of Rock, and how good the

755
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,920
kids, right? The Prague candy
and Kelly, oh man, they do such

756
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,240
a great job and and I enjoy
doing their their functions all

757
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,640
the time. And I'm amazed at how
good the kids are. They're so

758
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,420
good. And it's really redeeming,
because as we get older and we

759
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,140
are our generations age out,
we're losing, you know, these

760
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,840
players. There's least some
replenishment, because you start

761
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,420
to think of like, who's going to
replace? Yeah, you know, we're

762
00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:41,260
losing them faster than we're,
you know, because kids are

763
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:44,080
basically learning to DJ. Now,
let's you know what I mean. It's

764
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,660
like making music on computers
and everything. Yeah, they're

765
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:50,320
just like DJ, yeah. And they can
learn a lot easier, like we were

766
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,240
talking about earlier, not
having MTV or YouTube or or, you

767
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,060
know, different things to help
us learn quicker. They can just

768
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,520
draw, like my kids, they won't
even my both my kids play guitar

769
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,940
and sing. They won't let me show
them a damn thing. Like they

770
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:06,540
won't. I can't give my kids,
like, tips or lessons or

771
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:09,720
whatever, everything's Come to
dad. Yeah, and they're

772
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,960
incredible, like, when they play
and sing, it just brings a tear

773
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,940
to my eye. And, yeah, it's
emotional. That's got to be

774
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:17,760
very, very seriously. That's the
most frustrating thing about a

775
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,240
parent. Man, yeah, being a
parent, that's for sure. Well,

776
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,300
Ian, my son, you met Ian? Yeah,
he's part of the Young Life

777
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,720
organization at Belmont, and
he's playing his guitar and

778
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,360
performing with it, with the
youth group. And, you know, it's

779
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,460
incredible. What did he decide
to major in

780
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,380
biochemistry, biochemical,
biochemical engineering, or

781
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:39,620
genetics, or whatever. What do
you do with that? I don't know.

782
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Make money.

783
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,920
I don't know. Oh, my God, he's
doing great. Yeah, that's

784
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,620
incredible. We'll give him my
best. Yeah, I will. That's

785
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,240
incredible. Yeah, you know, it's
everyone always asked me, Hey,

786
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,340
are you going to do your
drummers weekends? Yeah, because

787
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:58,240
I did that for four years and
it's so much work to organize

788
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,100
those things. But I do

789
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:04,260
just love the fact that we did
those for four years, because

790
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,900
some of the kids that are that
go through that program more

791
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:09,300
than just the the impact that
you could potentially have on

792
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,000
them, yeah, they all keep in
touch with each other, yeah, and

793
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,980
they lift each other up, and
it's like, they're all going to

794
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:17,460
these major music schools or
graduating, or getting touring

795
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:21,680
jobs or getting session work, or
I'm like, Wow, there's just a

796
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
small part in that is really
cool, you know, especially like

797
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,080
with rock and roll fantasy camp,
some of those business people

798
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,020
that you know you're dealing
with, alpha males, yeah, you

799
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:32,540
know, CEOs, they go every year.
Some of them go every year. Oh,

800
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:35,180
and they go in multiple camps.
But you know, the wrangle those

801
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:39,380
people into, you know,
organizing them to be cohesive,

802
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:42,040
and then, you know, it can get
well, you remember, you I think

803
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,560
your room was very across from
my room right next year, some of

804
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,200
those people were like, you
know, they were, I thought,

805
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,360
like, I thought my group was
gonna, like, throw punches at

806
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000
one point, yeah, but by the end
of the night, you know, by end

807
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
of the weekend, I'm sorry at the
Whiskey a Go, go in Hollywood,

808
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,280
everyone's embracing each other,
you know, I'm still keeping in

809
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,040
touch with everybody you know.
And you make lifelong friends. I

810
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360
mean, you know, and, and, you
know, unassuming as you know,

811
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:09,240
our lead singer, Laura, is in
charge of the blonde lady,

812
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,660
right? Blond lady? Yes. She
comes every year. She's in

813
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:17,040
charge of the Hollywood
Christmas parade. Yes, with Eric

814
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,200
Estrada, yes. And she co hosted,
yes. It's like, her thing? Yeah,

815
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,980
it's like crazy. Yeah. I
actually Teddy zigzag, who

816
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,620
played in the last version of
The Guess Who with me,

817
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,040
participated in that, and he
actually called me and asked me

818
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,740
if I was available to go out and
participate in that Christmas

819
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:35,840
parade. And I thought that was
the coolest thing in the whole

820
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,180
world. That's amazing. I didn't
get a chance to do it because I

821
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:40,280
was already committed to
something else. But I mean, wow.

822
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,820
You know, I mean Teddy zigzag,
wow. I mean, he was the keyboard

823
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:45,280
player in Guns and Roses, and
then he was the keyboard player

824
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,460
with Billy Bob Thornton's band,
the Walter trout. Billy Bob

825
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:52,660
Thornton, yeah, he's his total
character, Billy. He's still, I

826
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,780
mean, Teddy, Teddy's incredible.
Just, just if he's a character,

827
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:58,180
I love him. I mean, he could be
a stand up comedian. He was at

828
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:59,920
camp with us too. Oh, he is
funny. He's.

829
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,420
Hilarious, so funny, yeah, yeah,
man, great guy. Incredible,

830
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:06,420
incredible, yeah, I'm saying
that a lot today. Sorry, guys,

831
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:09,840
that's gonna have to add that to
the potential phrases that we

832
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,420
could put on our merch.
Incredible, incredible,

833
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:15,660
incredible, well, that was fun.
Well, that was fun. Nice.

834
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:18,720
Where's the bathroom? Yeah, I'm
heading to the bathroom again,

835
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,620
right? It's the aging you
believe that a lot too? It's the

836
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:25,100
aging bladder. It really, really
is so aging bladder. You have a

837
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:28,280
theory about drinking water
before a show, I cut off liquids

838
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,360
90 minutes before a show, I put
myself into dehydration that

839
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,180
will allow me to have an empty
bladder when I get on stage, and

840
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:38,540
then I can hydrate a little bit
on stage, and our show is only

841
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:41,320
90 minutes right now. You guys
were talking little before we

842
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,740
got on camera, uh, about Taylor
Swift's three and a half hour

843
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:48,880
show, yeah? MATT Billingsley, I
sure hope there's a pee break in

844
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,760
there, where there's a track
maybe, and the dancers go out

845
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,140
and maybe the set change. I

846
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:57,220
can't go three and a half hours
without pee. Hopefully has a

847
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:00,100
little area pipe and drapery
with a bucket, yeah, drums where

848
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,520
you can just something slip in
there real quick. Or maybe it's

849
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,380
just, like connected, like an
astronaut.

850
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:09,240
Yeah, he could just have a bag.
He's got a catheter, right? You

851
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,000
can have a catheter. That's
horrible. I don't think you want

852
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,620
to be that active with a
catheter. No,

853
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:17,220
just the thought of that. One of
those infomercials that just

854
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:17,640
roll

855
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:26,120
tell us about this new project
with our friend Troy laketa from

856
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,600
Tesla Riz and the believers.
Yeah, incredible. It's happy

857
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,420
music, it's happy music, it's
world music. It's upbeat, it's

858
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:35,780
reggae, it's world it's pop,
it's a little bit of country. So

859
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:36,320
Riz

860
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:42,460
is a young artist, dynamic
artist, from Reno, Nevada. Okay,

861
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,100
Troy's son, Troy Jr, was
producing him. Asked Troy to

862
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,760
play drums on a couple tracks
while he was out visiting in

863
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,460
Sacramento. And this was all
kind of in motion two years ago

864
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:59,380
at that point. Yeah, exactly,
exactly. And, and he jumped on

865
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:03,180
board to the to the Riz train,
and just realize how dynamic and

866
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:06,240
the potential that Riz has, and
and it's just a matter of time

867
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,360
until the whole world is
understanding what we all see

868
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,020
right now. But so Riz, I'm
sorry. Troy brought Riz to

869
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,340
Nashville and started working on
the all the recordings we've

870
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,600
been doing, yeah, for the last
couple years. And Troy invited

871
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,840
me to come out play on one
track, and it was this, the

872
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,320
first single. Don't stop. Don't
stop trying. I gotta we talked

873
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,740
about journey. I got journey to
brain. Don't totally and it

874
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:35,780
expanded into the entire first
EP, plus there's a second EP.

875
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,080
We've done two videos. We were
just in Ocean Way studios over

876
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,460
the summer recording seven or
eight new songs for another

877
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:45,880
release, and we did a bunch of
showcase here in town. We played

878
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,420
city binary. We opened up for
the Wailers at the third Lindsay

879
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:51,640
nice, which is really cool. And
that was an incredible

880
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,280
experience, by the way, the
whalers meeting the whalers.

881
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,760
Yeah, what is the current lineup
of the whalers? I'm not sure,

882
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,580
but it's like it was intense,
man, those guys were, they were

883
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:05,820
the, you know, they were great.
I think the bass player may have

884
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:09,180
been somebody. I don't know
enough about them, other than

885
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:11,940
when I saw them. It was, it was
great. Yeah, I've never

886
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:15,960
experienced anything like that
before. But Riz is, you know,

887
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,500
he's got,

888
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
he's got this really cool
website with his community. He's

889
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,660
trying to build his own, you
know, social network, yeah,

890
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,300
social network. And he's doing a
great job at all of it. So,

891
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:30,500
risen to believers. I think the
EP, the one that's out right

892
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,440
now, everyday people, it's got
like, five or six tracks on it,

893
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,760
yeah, really, really good. So
it's you. It's Michael Devon,

894
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,260
the player from White Snake.

895
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:44,020
And I love Peter keys. Peter
keys, he's also done the School

896
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:47,680
of Rock with us. Yep. Leonard
skater, easy, yeah, badass.

897
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,160
John saloway, who's another
local guy here, singer

898
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,600
songwriter, Troy myself. Who am
I forgetting? Troy Jr, squidly

899
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,060
Cole from Steven Marley's band.
Oh, wow,

900
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,640
yeah. It's a, it's a really
cool, it's, and it's completely

901
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:08,400
out of my comfort zone, as far
as, you know, playing reggae. I,

902
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,640
you know, it's definitely,
definitely, yeah, I'm a chink

903
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,880
guy. Yeah, you're the chink guy.
Without being, you know, without

904
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,260
being derogatory, yeah, I'm the
chink guy, yeah, one and three,

905
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:22,640
buddy, dude. I told him. I told
I told I mean, you know, I love

906
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,060
Troy. He goes so far back,
credible drummer. I said, Hey,

907
00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:28,400
if you ever want me to, you
know, play percussion, I will

908
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,220
come running. That's why I kept
one of my

909
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,020
percussion tables. Oh, in case,
in case, Troy says, come

910
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:40,100
running. I can hang all my jam
blocks and tambourines and wind

911
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:43,360
chimes. Let me ask it. Is Troy
doing this in between roofing

912
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:43,840
jobs?

913
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,980
That was the one thing we had
him on. He was a roofer. He

914
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:53,740
still doesn't. He runs roofing
jobs. Well, I don't think he's

915
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:57,040
doing it currently, but he did,
you know, when Tesla was down,

916
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,920
he started a roofing company. I
just learned that myself. He's.

917
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,700
Crazy, such a man of many
talents, and he's built like 20

918
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,340
different recording studios over
the years. Yeah, you know, it's

919
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:07,980
cool. I got a chance to play
with him in the Guess who,

920
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:11,100
because Gary Peterson ended up
having to have some surgery,

921
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:14,280
that's right. And Gary's the
original, original runner,

922
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,560
original drummer of The Guess
Who, yep, the original drummer.

923
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,960
And, and, just so our listeners
know guess who the big hits

924
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,920
were? American woman, magic
carpet ride. Nope, these eyes,

925
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,520
these eyes.

926
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,900
No time left for you.

927
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:36,980
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Great
songs. Yeah, Troy. On two days

928
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:40,820
notice, Gary gets hurt, we call
Troy. Troy. Can you come out and

929
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:44,680
help us out do a bunch of shows?
And he like a champ. I mean,

930
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:48,400
learned a set and nailed it.
Yeah? Amazing drummer. I love

931
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,820
that. Amazing guy, yeah, yeah.
We love Troy. Yeah. That's

932
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:55,960
great. Troy. Laqueta reminds me
of Aaron off learning the Sammy

933
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Hagar van hill right in 24
hours. That's pretty incredible.

934
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,580
The funny story that Troy shared
on our podcast and in very few

935
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:06,600
other interviews, is that he
told us that he also auditioned

936
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,020
for Mellencamp back in the day.
Yeah. Wow. That cool. Yeah,

937
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:15,300
super cool. Where would Aronoff
be if that didn't happen? Um,

938
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,320
well, you know, Kenny got asked
to play in the Jerusalem play

939
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,580
timpani in the Jerusalem
symphony. He turned that down,

940
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:28,820
and there was some sort of like,
Adult Contemporary Lou Rawls.

941
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:33,260
Wow. He was asked to audition
for Lou Rawls, but then he found

942
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:37,220
out about a young guy named
Johnny Cougar Seymour, Indiana.

943
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:40,180
Yeah, right. There's these
moments in our lives, man that

944
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:44,320
like change us forever. I'm so
glad that I met

945
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,700
a young guitar player named Kurt
Allison, who introduced me to a

946
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:53,320
young bass player named totally
Kennedy, who introduced me to a

947
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,000
young singer named Jason Lt. And
this is all human relationships,

948
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,080
no resumes, no monster.com
right? No auditions, just people

949
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,680
shaking hands and getting a
feeling about each other. Yeah,

950
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,520
yeah. I think it's indeed these
days, indeed.com Yes. Sorry, is

951
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,020
he? Yeah, I'm showing my age,
but it's true, though. Yeah, did

952
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:19,140
you said monster.com monster
docs, that's a throwback. I

953
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:20,720
don't even know if they exist
anymore.

954
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,280
It makes me think of that scene
from the office

955
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:31,520
where it's a cold open and all
you hear are monster sound

956
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,900
effects coming from Michael's
office, and Jim goes monster.com

957
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,160
singular.

958
00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:42,880
That's great.

959
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:48,040
Hey, Jim, I'm going to do the
Fast Five, but maybe you should

960
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,800
ask Michael your favorite
question, my favorite question,

961
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,640
yes, okay,

962
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,620
you have to, at one point, quit
everything you're doing,

963
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,080
and for the rest of your life,
you have to pick a band that's a

964
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,860
tribute band,

965
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,240
and hey with the play every day
with this band, what tribute is

966
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:06,840
it gonna be? Wow,

967
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,280
was

968
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,500
he gonna be one of two? I have
to know it down to one and he

969
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,020
gives two. Again, probably I
would

970
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,720
love to do a journey tribute
band,

971
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,580
because of Neil and probably
kiss. I mean, that'd be cool.

972
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:26,660
Oh, my God, we haven't talked
about kiss. I know, ace, ace.

973
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,140
Yeah. I mean, have you
entertained the notion of

974
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:33,380
playing in a journey tribute
band at all? I actually played

975
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:36,200
in a journey way back in the
day, yeah, when I was, you know,

976
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:39,920
probably late 80s, early 90s,
had something going on, but it's

977
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,000
a really popular one here in
town. Yeah? That our friend Jim

978
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,820
Handley played right, played
drums in That's right, wasn't

979
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:49,420
he? Dean's tech at one point.
Yeah, and he's got one of his

980
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:53,080
old kits. I think he actually
jumped on stage with Jordan,

981
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,840
right, right when Dean fell in
the shower or something like

982
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,120
that, got hurt. Yeah, that's
incredible. What's up? Jim

983
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Handley? He's, uh, what was the
name of the band,

984
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,440
resurrection. Is it
resurrection? They're another

985
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,140
one of those bands that, when
they play third and Linsley, it

986
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:09,900
is a line out the door. Yeah.
They've run out of chicken

987
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:14,340
fingers, yeah. But, I mean, they
they play that. We saw them play

988
00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:17,460
somewhere in the park in
Franklin, or something,

989
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:21,800
Pinkerton, maybe, yeah, or maybe
not. But they were very good.

990
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,200
They were one of the, I think,
one of the country's premier

991
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:27,140
journey. My brother's in a
journey tribute band in Detroit,

992
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,260
really, yeah, but he's my
brother's issue is that he's the

993
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:33,560
best guy in the band. What does
he do? Keys? Oh, he's been

994
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,960
playing since he's four or five,
six years old. When you say it's

995
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:38,360
his issue, he's the best guy in
the band. He doesn't surround

996
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,660
himself with people that are
better than well, we want him to

997
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:42,760
move to Nashville? Yeah, we're
trying to get him to move down

998
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,380
here. And Dan McCarthy, Dan,
he's, why are you not moving to

999
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:50,380
Nashville? Dan, come on, Dan,
you getting any younger, buddy?

1000
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:53,680
Well, what make it happen? We'll
convince him. I think the last

1001
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:59,260
trip down here he was it. I I
felt badly because we didn't go

1002
00:54:59,260 --> 00:54:59,920
downtown.

1003
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,540
Like we should have. But we went
right before they had to leave

1004
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,260
and go back, he and his
girlfriend and I gave him a

1005
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:10,080
little taste to lower Broadway
during the day on a Monday, like

1006
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,140
one in the afternoon, sure,
sure, sure. He was like a dog

1007
00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:15,240
out the window, like they were
playing

1008
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,540
Jack and Diane. I mean, there's
like 80 bands down, but the

1009
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:23,840
thing is that you're tall, world
class musician, yes, yeah, that

1010
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,540
are just amazing. How long ago
was this? Though, this is, uh,

1011
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:29,960
beginning of October. Okay, so
is this? Because when you go

1012
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960
down to lower, broad, now it's
different, like, the music is

1013
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,120
different, repertoire is
different, way different. You

1014
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,700
know, like, you see, you see,
like, Flying V guitars. You see

1015
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:41,080
campers. You know guitar, you
know, you hear some kiss, yeah,

1016
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,420
you hear some kiss. You hear
Metallica, yeah. You hear

1017
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:47,200
zombies, yep. So what's the
thing with Kiss? Were you

1018
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:50,380
totally enraptured with the
double platinum record? And it

1019
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:53,320
was a visual, yeah, it was a
visual when I was a kid, it was,

1020
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,380
you know, the first kiss alive
was just incredible, you know,

1021
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:59,800
just to see Gene Simmons and Ace
and Paul, just that, that whole

1022
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,580
thing that they had going, I
was, was so captivated as a kid.

1023
00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:05,460
It was like a, like a cartoon,
you know, yeah, entertaining. So

1024
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,700
to me, I just latched on to ace,
you know, early on, because, you

1025
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:11,820
know, he was just so damn cool.
Yeah, you know, he lived up in

1026
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:12,600
our area,

1027
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,040
in the Northeast. He's still,
he's still in New Jersey area,

1028
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,620
New Jersey, yeah, I think it was
reading, yeah, he's a jersey

1029
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:22,520
guy, yeah, yeah. So he used to
play tuxedo junction all the

1030
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,780
time. Fraleys Comet yeah for
these comments, yeah. Anton Fig

1031
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:30,740
on the drums, there on that
classic tracks I know. And our

1032
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:34,640
friend Matt Starr has been doing
yeah for many years. Yeah. Did

1033
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,880
that thing? Yep, exactly. Matt's
a, Matt's a rock fantasy guy

1034
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,540
absolutely cross pass with him,
and spend a lot of time with him

1035
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:45,460
at the i at the whiskey on those
nights, those Monday night jams,

1036
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:48,520
lot of, lot of biker jackets.

1037
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:53,440
I mean, I mean, I think a black
leather jacket is required to

1038
00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:56,560
enter. It's a uniform. It's a
uniform. Yeah, it's like a rite

1039
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,540
of passage, the Viper in LA,
yeah. I hope the Viper still

1040
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:05,100
stays, but no Matt would have a
jam night every Monday night at

1041
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,400
the whiskey, at Go, go. And I
feel like, well, we had Slim Jim

1042
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,200
phantom on the show, and I think
slim owns, knows the owner of

1043
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,260
the whiskey, and he's like, it's
such a hallowed, iconic landmark

1044
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:22,040
of Los Angeles, I don't think
it's going away. I hope not.

1045
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,580
Yeah, that'd be sad about the
Viper. They might not like knock

1046
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,220
down that whole strip. They
usually do a for development and

1047
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:30,980
stuff like that. Somebody comes
in with a good chunk of change

1048
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:33,860
and they go see you later. Yeah,
Money Talks, man, you could look

1049
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:37,820
at Nashville, right? And Omni is
not there anymore. I know Omni

1050
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:40,780
went away. I mean, it's changed
so much since I've been here.

1051
00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:43,180
It's incredible. I can imagine
people that have been here

1052
00:57:43,180 --> 00:57:45,400
longer than me, what you know,
and I hear about their their

1053
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,280
impression about it all the
time. Yeah, I would have loved

1054
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,880
to been here 20 years ago. You
know, that's when I got here,

1055
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,540
just for the real estate value.
Oh, yeah, totally, I've had the

1056
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:57,160
same house. We bought it in 20,
22,005,

1057
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,320
it's gone up a little bit that
was good. Yeah, hey, would you

1058
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,300
play down there ever in
Broadway? Yeah,

1059
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,340
I don't know. I always say if I
was a little bit more in charge

1060
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:14,400
of it, like to curate the band,
curate the list, yeah, maybe

1061
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:15,600
curate the knight,

1062
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:20,280
you know, yeah, Riley plays down
there a lot. He does, but he

1063
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,780
curates like he surrounds
himself with the players that he

1064
00:58:23,780 --> 00:58:27,080
wants, really the repertoire
that he wants, which would be

1065
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,260
the way to do it. But I do think
about trying to get a little bit

1066
00:58:30,260 --> 00:58:33,560
more connected sometimes to the
scene at Roberts, because I love

1067
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,320
Roberts, because I got Pearl
snap shirts. And it would be, it

1068
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,080
would be really fun, because you
got to play a little quiet as an

1069
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,040
upright bass player. And it's
just a whole different thing.

1070
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,980
And occasionally I'll go down
there and I'll sit in with John

1071
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:48,100
England. And John England and
the Western swingers. What's up,

1072
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,960
John, they are the best western
swing band, yeah, in Nashville,

1073
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,020
yeah. I like, I really enjoy
going down there and see more

1074
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,620
traditional country. I wanted
the traditional Yeah. And, like,

1075
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:03,480
since I've lived here, I've been
enamored with the pedal steel.

1076
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,300
Like, I just love the sound of
it. It's a difficult instrument.

1077
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,340
It's like a spaceship, yeah,
it's like flying a plane. Like,

1078
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:10,260
you know, when you get on the
plane and you look in the

1079
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:12,240
cockpit and there's, like,
these, all these switches and

1080
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,760
everything, the guys are, like,
that's what I imagine. I mean, I

1081
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,140
got to play with, with cowboy
Eddie, yeah, and, and I was

1082
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,980
sitting next to him, and he sits
down and sets up his pedal

1083
00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:24,020
steel. And it's got, like,
things with his feet, things

1084
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:27,200
with his knees he's doing, you
know, he's got the steel on top

1085
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,560
with the, you know, the landing
strip of 65 strings. It's the

1086
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,400
same. And he's like, chops for
days. And, yeah, playing, where

1087
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,740
was that? It was with the CMAS,
with Caitlin Curtis, okay, he

1088
00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:44,020
did that channel four today in
Nashville. Show, yeah? WSM,

1089
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:48,340
yeah, yeah. Today in Nashville.
It was great. It was great. I

1090
00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:51,280
got to co host at that show one
time. Did you really? Yeah? They

1091
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,580
had, they have guest co hosts.
Kelly Sutton. Kelly Sutton,

1092
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:58,000
what's up, Kelly, we love you.
So is this an up and coming gal?

1093
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,920
That's you kind of continuing to
work with a.

1094
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Little bit I haven't since then,
you

1095
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,760
know, that came through Brent
Fitz, you know, Brent. I love

1096
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,680
Brent for who's he play with? He
plays a slash, slash and a bunch

1097
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,320
of other things. He was her
music director, and they were

1098
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,020
getting ready to do. And he was
actually another guy was filling

1099
01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:18,420
in on a guess who gig, you know,
Winnipeg guy.

1100
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:21,860
You know he we were, he was
coming into Nashville, and he

1101
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:24,200
was like, Hey, do you want to do
this? And I'm like, sure it was,

1102
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,080
you know, it was, and she's a
powerhouse. I don't know if you

1103
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:29,900
did a little digging on her,
I'll have to. She's incredible.

1104
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,240
What a singer. Check it out.
Caitlyn Curtis, well, you got to

1105
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,400
keep working with her, because
you never know. I would love to,

1106
01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:36,320
you know, would love to. I
haven't been asked, but I will.

1107
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:37,460
Of all the

1108
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:42,820
um, recording artists that are
out now, topping the charts. Do

1109
01:00:42,820 --> 01:00:45,580
you have some ones that are kind
of like digging on, like, I, I

1110
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:48,700
like Megan monroney's new
director, cool. I like,

1111
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,340
there's, I like, a lot of, I
mean, a lot Americana stuff,

1112
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:58,240
yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I like
some of the lot of the females,

1113
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,820
like Carrie Underwood, is
amazing. I could see like that

1114
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:05,280
looks like it'd be a fun gig.
Oh, yeah, you know, because

1115
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,620
she's, she's like, a rocker,
yeah? You know, I think she went

1116
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:10,020
out and opened up for Guns and
Roses last year, and she was

1117
01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:13,080
doing, like, Motorhead and and
heavy stuff we had Seth, on the

1118
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,920
show, she was on Howard Stern.
She did a, like, something you

1119
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,800
wouldn't expect her to, mama,
mama, that's right, coming home,

1120
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,340
that's right, yeah, that's
incredible. Yeah, she's, she's a

1121
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:25,220
powerhouse. Yeah? I think about,
you know, a lot of the

1122
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:29,480
contemporary country artists and
and my kids turned me on to a

1123
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,240
lot of this. They're really
dialed into all the new My son

1124
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,580
loves. Morgan Wallen, that seems
like a cool gig. I mean, that

1125
01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:37,580
stuff. Bailey Zimmerman's got a
cool band, you know, he's,

1126
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:40,720
they're all rockers, the young
rockers. Yeah, that's kind of

1127
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,100
cool, cool thing, yep. So yeah,
yeah, heck yeah, man, what's

1128
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,280
the, what's the coming up for
the holidays? For you? Big, big

1129
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,800
family gathering. Big family
gathering. What's your place?

1130
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,420
Yeah, you coming? What day, what
day you want to come? I can

1131
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:56,440
bring the Tupperware back.

1132
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,540
Bring a dish in the tupperware.
Yeah, what's the what's 2025

1133
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:06,000
looking like? What are you
looking forward to? Any like,

1134
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,380
personal goals? And, yeah, you
know, I'm, I'm really looking

1135
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:13,860
forward to, you know what 2025
brings? I don't know what it's

1136
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:16,080
gonna be. I don't know that's
terribly exciting. Yeah, it's

1137
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,320
really exciting. Actually, it's
like living on the edge. You

1138
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:19,560
know?

1139
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:26,360
I may do some shows with Lou if,
you know, if he, if he decides

1140
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,180
to have a schedule next year, I
don't really know what that

1141
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:34,640
looks like. And I'm pretty open
to, you know, options. Yeah, you

1142
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,300
guys heard it here. That's
right. Michael is available.

1143
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:41,020
He's open for options. That's
right. Here's the thing, maybe

1144
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:44,500
another question, theming, every
time we have a guest on, yeah,

1145
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,720
is, you know, the music business
has been going in through a

1146
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,440
pretty big earth shattering
shift over the last 20 some odd

1147
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:57,160
years with digitization of
music. Yeah. What's the fix on

1148
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,560
that? Because you have
songwriters that aren't being

1149
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,000
compensated the way they used to
be, and all these different

1150
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,700
things, you know, streams, you
know, I got a million streams,

1151
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:09,060
but I got, you know, $5 in the
mail. That guy, how, what's the

1152
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:12,420
fix on that? You know, what?
What, like, what, you know,

1153
01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:17,220
think tanking these a solution,
touring and merchandise. Yeah,

1154
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:19,560
touring and merchandise, where
most money is, but, you know, I

1155
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,100
think, I think that's just, you
know, labels their way of

1156
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:25,700
getting back around and getting
over on, you know, everybody

1157
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,700
laughed at Lars when he was
bitching about Napster. He was

1158
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,480
really foreshadowing things, so
he was kind of being proven

1159
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,900
right. He was like, Guys, this
is gonna ruin us. Yeah, yeah, I

1160
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:37,760
don't. I don't have an answer
for that. I mean, that's like

1161
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,440
the million dollar $64 million
question is, you know, you got

1162
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,700
to stream a song, what, like
10,000 times making make a penny

1163
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:48,940
or whatever, point 00, whatever
it is. It's ridiculous. Why is

1164
01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:51,280
it so dastardly low? I mean,
because if you compare it to

1165
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,880
radio spins, I mean, what's the
what's the ratio between 10,000

1166
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:58,660
radio spins? I can't remember
what the maximum number a week

1167
01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:01,860
was. Back when I was in we
actually were reporting radio

1168
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:06,240
stations because the creator of
Spotify set up that algorithm,

1169
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,900
yeah, but I mean, it benefits
heavily the but it's based on a

1170
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:13,140
subscription, subscription. So
that's I was gonna say. So how

1171
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:15,720
much is a subscription to
Spotify? 10 bucks a month. I

1172
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,840
think that's 1299, now, okay, so
it used to be able to buy a

1173
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,100
record and 20 bucks, and then
you owned it forever. Even even

1174
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,720
before that, it was 889, because
didn't Peter Frampton go against

1175
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,480
the record companies at one
point to keep the price at 899,

1176
01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:31,100
or something, or whatever.

1177
01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:36,980
Anyways, then you own the music
forever. Now you own, you're

1178
01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:40,120
subscribing to it, right? But
you potentially own all the

1179
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,380
music. You own everything. It's
really not, not. How do I put

1180
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:47,140
it? Hey, you are. You own

1181
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,820
nothing. The entire you don't
own anything. You're, right?

1182
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:54,340
You're leasing it. You're as
long as you're paying the bills

1183
01:04:54,460 --> 01:04:59,920
to the world of music, right?
And nobody's listening to every.

1184
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,240
Complete, you know, like, like,
an album. Everyone listens to

1185
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,060
singles. They, you know, they
have their playlist, you know,

1186
01:05:06,060 --> 01:05:08,580
skipping through. And I don't
know if you watch, like, I watch

1187
01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:10,800
my kids, and there's like, bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah,

1188
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,720
everything thumbing through
everything. You know, a song

1189
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,200
comes on and it gets played for
like, a nanosecond, they skip

1190
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,480
over it. Not in the mood for
that, not in the mood for that,

1191
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,840
yeah, not in the mood for that.
So I don't know the answer to

1192
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,960
that, but I hope somebody comes
up with something to to

1193
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,500
counteract that, because the the
revenue is, is pitiful. Yeah,

1194
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:30,740
it's pitiful because, I mean,
it's, it's, you're only, it's

1195
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:34,100
the walmartization of
songwriting that means it's like

1196
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,680
the quality of everything's
going to go down, which, you

1197
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,260
know, there's balances that come
into check

1198
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:43,060
and come into play in those
scenarios. Because if you're

1199
01:05:43,060 --> 01:05:46,840
gonna really strong songwriter,
you know, and you go about it

1200
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,200
with a good business plan, I'm
not streaming my stuff. If you

1201
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,080
want quality music, you got to
come to my website, yeah, and

1202
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,780
download it. So, I mean, that's
it. Maybe that's a play. Well,

1203
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,080
then be your own label, your own
distributor, and everything like

1204
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,820
that, which is possible, it's
possible, but the game is kind

1205
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:06,660
of rigged, because they have
access to all the platforms, and

1206
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:08,340
they're the ones putting
everything out, pushing

1207
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:10,500
everything out to everybody.
What if you don't, what if you

1208
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:12,900
don't need a platform? You know,
if all of a sudden, because if

1209
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,960
everybody's starting to make it
on Spotify, not Spotify, but

1210
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:18,840
tick tock and things of that
nature, right? Yeah, that's

1211
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,600
true. You know, you're
discovering, I mean,

1212
01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:25,400
Dragon Force got discovered
through Guitar Hero, sure, you

1213
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,180
know, and you got all these
different types of new ways

1214
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:32,180
because radios going away. Yeah,
you know that's, that's going

1215
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:35,900
downhill. You really feel like
it's, I mean, yeah, happens,

1216
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:39,560
because the talent brain drain
of radio is being it's being

1217
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,940
cannibalized. How, how many
reporting radio stations are

1218
01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:46,240
left? I don't, I don't know what
those stick 100 something, but

1219
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,420
what happens when you know you
run out of the talent you know?

1220
01:06:49,420 --> 01:06:52,780
Is it just a jukebox at that
point? And are people going to

1221
01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:55,420
stick around to listen to
commercials, to hear the next

1222
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:57,880
hot song, when I can just
download it, when I can just go

1223
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,720
to tick tock? It was interesting
because you and Jim used to work

1224
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,520
at Jack FM. I'm excited tonight.
I really enjoyed Jack FM's

1225
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,880
model. Although it was a limited
playlist, you would hear a lot

1226
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,200
of repeating. It was very highly
researched playlist. Yeah. So in

1227
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,460
Jack FM, for at least Nashville,
we did a lot of local research,

1228
01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:21,380
and at that time, what seemed to
check the boxes were people in

1229
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:25,580
my demo, and a little bit older
at the time, in oh, five where,

1230
01:07:25,580 --> 01:07:28,880
hey, salt and pepper could go
into Van Halen, could go into

1231
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,480
sure Run DMC into, you know,
Faith Hill. That made sense. And

1232
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,660
that's where the playing, what
we want genre started to come

1233
01:07:38,660 --> 01:07:41,920
into play. But we weren't, you
know, playing what we want. It

1234
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,580
was a, at least in our radio
station, a very well locally

1235
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:49,300
focused research what is every
Jack? FM?

1236
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,480
No, because they were, it was
owned. Most of the jacks were

1237
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,960
owned by CBS, and it came from
New York. So another

1238
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,540
homogenization, exactly, of the
music distribution, and we're

1239
01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:03,240
all in this room, probably old
enough to remember that used to

1240
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,780
have regional radio stations
that you looked forward to

1241
01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:08,100
driving through that

1242
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,900
because they had, they played
first cool thing can AC in LA

1243
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:15,240
where, you know, they played
Queens right before anybody was

1244
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,800
playing queens, right? And they,
you know, Kos and you know, the

1245
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,460
whole la scene. They were
instrumental in that. Now it's

1246
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:25,820
become like, you can go to any
town, it's homogenized, and the

1247
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:28,580
commercials are the same, the
playlist is the same. You know,

1248
01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:31,520
they just have a different
personality dictating the same

1249
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,480
dialog, and he's probably in
another city Exactly. That's,

1250
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:38,600
it's, that's the it's the
cannibal, like I've been putting

1251
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,240
out. I mean, podcasts are
definitely an option for anybody

1252
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,820
who's left over in radio. And I
encourage people I still know, a

1253
01:08:45,820 --> 01:08:48,580
lot of them, a lot of them stick
around because they're romantic

1254
01:08:48,580 --> 01:08:51,460
about it, but I tell them, Look,
you know when the date is going

1255
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:54,280
to come when radio doesn't
consider you're valuable

1256
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,260
anymore, right? Right? It
doesn't mean you're not

1257
01:08:56,260 --> 01:09:01,080
valuable. Podcasting needs you,
because, you know, 98% of

1258
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,760
podcasters don't know. 98% of
what you know, right? You know

1259
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,400
what I mean, right? They're just
people who have executed. Yeah,

1260
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,940
the best podcasts out there are
actually kind of badly produced,

1261
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,920
even even like your Sirius XM is
kind of starting to dwindle too,

1262
01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:19,560
because it's, it's just, they're
not pivoting, they're not

1263
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,720
adapting.

1264
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,560
You know, I don't know what's
gonna happen. Podcasts are not

1265
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,860
going away. No, no. So I'm so
happy that we've been doing ours

1266
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:31,880
for five years, right? You know,
and it's just an endless I mean,

1267
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,260
how many musicians and creatives
that do we know, right?

1268
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,840
Everyone's like, you should get
such and such on the show. Oh, I

1269
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,920
will. They're on the list, yeah.
But I will. There's only 24

1270
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:46,000
hours in the day, sure, right?
But, um, so to get to know you a

1271
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,180
little bit better, we're gonna
do the Fast Five. And it's never

1272
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:50,740
fast. What's your favorite food?

1273
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:57,460
Pizza, yeah. How could you not
love New York? Yeah, I had, I

1274
01:09:57,460 --> 01:09:59,560
had bowling alley pizza
yesterday. It was at a roller

1275
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:59,920
skating.

1276
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,240
Ring my friend Michael Knox at
his annual skate party. And I

1277
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,900
was starving, and I had it was,
it wasn't great, but it was

1278
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:10,140
still pretty good, yeah, yeah.
It was like, Chuck E Cheese

1279
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:13,200
pizza, yeah, yeah. Like
cardboard with cheese on top of

1280
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,320
it, and frozen amazing. That's
right. I mean, frozen pizza,

1281
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,840
dude, you can't go wrong with
pizza. I mean, it's just such a,

1282
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,600
such a good Oh, you can,

1283
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,160
yeah, if you live in Vegas, you
can, right, right?

1284
01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:29,120
You know, being from New York,
you know that, you know good. I

1285
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,820
mean, even up in your neck of
the woods in Northern New York,

1286
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:35,000
yeah, you got good pizza. Oh,
absolutely. Oh, my God. And when

1287
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,480
you fold it, it's not supposed
to droop, right? No, you're

1288
01:10:38,540 --> 01:10:41,300
supposed to take the paper towel
and get the grease out of it.

1289
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,960
You could do that, but, but, I
mean, if you fold it like it

1290
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,040
shouldn't come, yeah? I mean,
around here Spring Hill, we got

1291
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,040
some pretty decent pizza places.
I spent a lot of money at

1292
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,280
salvos, but we if you fold it,
it will droop, because it's not

1293
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,700
I added salvos today for lunch.
It's true, yes, at a Sicilian,

1294
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:59,980
yeah, I really wanted to have
lunch with you today too. I'm

1295
01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:00,780
sorry, favorite

1296
01:11:01,860 --> 01:11:02,340
drink,

1297
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,060
iced tea. Yeah, I mean alcohol
drink, sure you want. It could

1298
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:12,480
be anything. Well, do you like
that southern sweet tea? No, no,

1299
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:17,220
just tea and yeah, like a peach
tea or a raspberry tea, flavored

1300
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:23,480
tea, alcohol would be probably
like a good glass of Pinot or or

1301
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:27,080
a dark beer, Guinness, I have to
buy, like, any Porter, you know,

1302
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:31,700
dark beer. Like, you know, I'm a
coffee guy, yeah? Coffee, you

1303
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:33,920
know, all day long. All day
long, I could drink coffee. I

1304
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,680
could drink a pot of coffee and
go to bed. Yeah, yeah. It

1305
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,600
doesn't affect my gal either.
She's like, I'm like, It's

1306
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,460
midnight. It's gonna speed in
your body for six hours. Nope.

1307
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:46,900
Nice espresso. Just that, the
aroma, the taste, the ritual of

1308
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:51,280
it. Favorite color, color
purple, yeah, yeah. Purple's my

1309
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,460
dream, but I don't see you in
purple a lot. There's got to be

1310
01:11:54,460 --> 01:11:58,780
a specific purple, yeah, yeah. I
don't know why you got, do you

1311
01:11:58,780 --> 01:12:03,540
have purple guitar? I don't, I
don't. What's your thing? Are

1312
01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:06,480
you? Are you associated with a
brand, like a PRs or something?

1313
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,660
Gibson, Gibson, yeah, les Paul's
Custom Shop stuff, yeah. Do they

1314
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:13,560
have, uh, is that purple? You
got to look at it. Well, we,

1315
01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:16,440
well, we've been talking. We've
been talking. Yeah, I got

1316
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:19,800
something that worked with them.
See 2025, this is really hard,

1317
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,040
and Jim, Jim doesn't like the
last two questions because

1318
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,580
they're so hard. But no, I'll
qualify that. Okay, I think it's

1319
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,300
ridiculously hard. Of the moment
should be, what's your favorite

1320
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:32,120
song of the moment? Song of the
moment, okay, kind of wearing

1321
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,800
you asked me that I've been on a
I've been on a deep dive of DEF,

1322
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,160
leppard era, high and dry, Steve
Clark, Pete Willis, the guitar

1323
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,060
tones, I don't know why again,
streaming. This comes through,

1324
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,480
came through. I got a playlist.
And you know, you can jump over

1325
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:52,540
and play the record I hit high
and dry, and I just like, last

1326
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:55,840
two or three days. What a great
record. Well, everyone just does

1327
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:59,560
pyromania over and over. Mania
was a great record. Hysteria was

1328
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,820
a great record. No hysteria
especially, yeah, history is a

1329
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:05,700
great record, but high, high and
dry, just reminds me of my youth

1330
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:09,540
earlier. Yeah, the guitar tones
were great. What's the song that

1331
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,140
is like a go to at any given
time, at any given time? Yeah,

1332
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,260
that you can it's like, it
doesn't get old. From anybody,

1333
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:16,980
anybody?

1334
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:21,860
Wow, that's a good one journey,
huh? A journey? Uh, wow.

1335
01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:26,780
You stumped me. I can't think of
anything, right? Yeah, it's,

1336
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:29,360
that's, that's a tough question.
Tough one a go to at any time.

1337
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,700
Like, it's like, this is always
either going to make you happy

1338
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:35,780
or make you go to a special
place, okay, city of the angels.

1339
01:13:35,780 --> 01:13:38,120
Journey. It was back to back in
the evolution record, right

1340
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,360
after love and touch of
squeezing, because that love and

1341
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,180
touch of squeezing was my
gateway to journey, even though

1342
01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:45,820
I didn't know when I was growing
up listening to Santana records

1343
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:48,220
with my dad and my uncle, I was
listening to an early nail

1344
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:51,940
shine. You were, I was, I had no
idea. And he was a Santana,

1345
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,060
right? I mean, that kid goes
back, yeah, yeah. You know, so

1346
01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:57,520
city of the angels, because it
came off love and touch of

1347
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,320
squeeze, and that was a hit,
probably 7677

1348
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:04,380
Yeah, yeah, I'm old dude. My
dude, no, that's, I'm trying to

1349
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:07,800
some of the best music. 6080, 82
I love it in there, vocal

1350
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,420
harmonies. I'm a

1351
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,200
There you go. Yeah, I don't know
where it's coming out of what's

1352
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,720
coming out of my things. I think
it's just coming out of your

1353
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:16,500
phone. Yeah,

1354
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:24,080
that's it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nailed. Rock Whalen, yeah.

1355
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:25,640
Smith, so good.

1356
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,980
What is your favorite movie of
the moment, or favorite movie of

1357
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:33,920
all? Ty you're gonna laugh

1358
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:39,440
the Jim Carrey version of the
Grinch. Yeah. I just love it's

1359
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,460
just, it just makes me did. The
funny thing is, is that Jim

1360
01:14:42,460 --> 01:14:45,160
Carrey was making all those
faces and mosses and had that

1361
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,220
kind of energy when he was just,
yeah, you know, he just was

1362
01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:53,320
easy, yeah. He just grew to he
never aged now. He's aged now,

1363
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,380
but he's not doing anything
right now. Is he? Is he out of

1364
01:14:56,380 --> 01:14:58,780
the business? Isn't he? He's
kind of, he's kind of been jaded

1365
01:14:58,780 --> 01:14:59,920
by the business he's speaking.

1366
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,360
Against it, yeah. Like, speaking
of Illuminati, he's kind of

1367
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,440
calling it out. Well, he just,
he just did a sequel to a

1368
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:12,420
gigantic animated franchise,
Hollywood franchise, a Sonic the

1369
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:14,520
Hedgehog. And they asked him,
like, why did you decide to do

1370
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,560
it? He's like, um, I've been
spending a lot recently. I

1371
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:17,820
needed the money. You got to

1372
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:23,120
love it when you could just do
that. I need 20 million What do

1373
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:23,480
you got?

1374
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,780
Amazing, amazing, crazy. Yeah,
this was so fun, man. It was

1375
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:33,260
great. Anything that is on your
mind or you would like to be

1376
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,020
recorded in public record for
all time.

1377
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:41,320
I really grateful you guys had
me out. It's great to finally

1378
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,420
meet you. Yeah, good to meet
you. I list I've listened to

1379
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:46,300
your show for a long time, and,
oh, it's so I mean, we're

1380
01:15:46,300 --> 01:15:48,580
flattered. I mean you're rich in
the other guy.

1381
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:52,900
I mean you're just a great
musician and just a great guy,

1382
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:55,120
and we're so glad that you're
part of the national music

1383
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,140
community. And I hope we get to
do something in 2025 that'd be

1384
01:15:59,140 --> 01:16:01,680
great. Speaking of the School of
Rock and their yearly event at

1385
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,220
the Ryman, Angie and Kelly were
telling me that they decided to

1386
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:07,620
do the rhyme in every other
year, which means that

1387
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,760
potentially in July of next
year, we'll do the Ryman, and

1388
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:16,200
Kelly plays a little bit of
drums. So two weeks ago,

1389
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,800
for his birthday present, Angie
had me go and teach him

1390
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,620
adrenaline nice. And it was so
cool. So we were doing the money

1391
01:16:24,620 --> 01:16:27,740
beats and trying to get him to
use his left foot a little bit.

1392
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:29,720
But, you know, he's got the
feel, he's got the groove.

1393
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,660
Absolutely need me to come over
there and show him a thing or

1394
01:16:32,660 --> 01:16:35,720
two. Heck yeah, Jim, you're,
you're a great Jim is a great

1395
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,300
rock trimmer. Thank you. That's
awesome. That's all shake it off

1396
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:40,820
the rust right now, man, I'm
literally looking forward, you

1397
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:43,060
know, I'm really looking forward
to getting more involved. More

1398
01:16:43,060 --> 01:16:45,340
involved in the Nashville music
scene. Yes, I think, you know,

1399
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:49,180
since I, when I moved here, I
jumped into a touring band, so I

1400
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:53,080
really wasn't involved in a lot
other than, like, what we did.

1401
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:56,380
So I really, I really didn't
take advantage of a lot of

1402
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,980
networking or meeting, you know,
people that are involved. So I

1403
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:02,400
kind of felt like, not like
Nashville guitarist, but a

1404
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,740
guitarist living in Nashville,
yeah? Because all my shows were

1405
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:07,200
traveling all over the country,
so I really didn't get a lot of

1406
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,920
chance to, you know, run with
some friends, you know, other

1407
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,920
than running into people at the
airport, yeah, or in airports

1408
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,880
period. I mean, I feel like your
next thing is, is, you know,

1409
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,600
doing the Nashville thing and CO
writing, you know, yeah, 10

1410
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,120
o'clock on a Monday. Yeah, I
definitely want to do sessions.

1411
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,340
I definitely, you know, I kind
of got bit with the bug, you

1412
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:27,860
know, through Troy, of of, you
know, it's probably going to be

1413
01:17:27,860 --> 01:17:29,240
more Riz stuff next year,

1414
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,480
you know, I'd like to expand
that, you know, do a little

1415
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:36,920
more, you know. I'd like to lend
my talent in, in the cape, in

1416
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,360
the capacity that, you know,
it's what I do. Yeah, I don't, I

1417
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,940
don't see myself as one of
those, you know, chameleons. You

1418
01:17:42,940 --> 01:17:47,020
know, I like to be hired to do,
if somebody's familiar with with

1419
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:50,920
my style and I can contribute in
a positive manner, like to, like

1420
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,160
to work in that capacity. Do you
do the the number charts? Yeah,

1421
01:17:54,580 --> 01:17:57,220
yeah. A lot of guys are just
like, yeah. I just, I really

1422
01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:59,920
haven't figured that out. I'm
like, oh, it's got, it's pretty

1423
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:04,740
easy. Yeah, it makes sense to
not have to rewrite the chart,

1424
01:18:04,740 --> 01:18:08,160
yeah, just transpose Exactly,
exactly, you know. And I, you

1425
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,920
know, prior to coming here, I
had my own way of charting

1426
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,380
things, which is, which was very
similar. So it helped me, you

1427
01:18:13,380 --> 01:18:16,380
know, adapt to the number system
pretty quickly. So the only time

1428
01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:18,960
it's really difficult to do the
number system is on Christmas

1429
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,460
songs, because there's so many
extensions and advanced harmony.

1430
01:18:22,460 --> 01:18:25,100
It's almost like maybe we should
do the other guys, right, right,

1431
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:28,520
right. But it's, man, it's, it's
a really good system, and it

1432
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,800
totally makes sense. That's
great. What's the best way for

1433
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,200
people to get in touch with you
if they want to hire you? They

1434
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,980
got questions for you? Yeah. So
social media, Instagram,

1435
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:40,460
official. Michael sterto At,
official. Michael Serta

1436
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,580
michaelster Calm.
Michael@michaelserto.com

1437
01:18:43,660 --> 01:18:46,720
is my email, and, you know, get
a hold of you guys, I'm sure.

1438
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,820
And it's S T A, e r t o, s t a,
e r t o, that's good, yeah. It's

1439
01:18:51,820 --> 01:18:57,340
like Michael A, E for A, E L, S
T, A, E R and I had to, I always

1440
01:18:57,340 --> 01:19:00,360
had to be phonetic with my
friend Dan woje house key. He

1441
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,560
was a great drummer. Played with
Peter Frampton coming up in

1442
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,680
Dallas. He was like he was five
years ahead of me, and it was

1443
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:14,880
Whoa, Joe, W, O, j, c, I, E, C,
H, O, W, s, k, lot of

1444
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,960
consonants, lot of consonants.
Wojo, one of the guys in my

1445
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,500
band's Connecticut white bread
as a matter of fact, yeah,

1446
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:26,420
Bill Kaczynski with a K in the

1447
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,760
beginning, yeah, wow. Billy's
Great. That's a great time, man,

1448
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,100
really, really great time.
Thanks for joining us. Thanks

1449
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,680
for having me. Man, I just I
really appreciate you including

1450
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me. And this is, you know, long
time listener, first time

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caller. I love

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enjoy the holidays. Holiday
season. This will probably come

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out in the new year, probably.
So, yeah, yeah, I think we're

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gonna roll these out. We're
gonna roll out some repeats.

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It'll be a new season. Yeah?
You'll say, we say Merry

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Christmas, right? Yeah, Merry
Christmas, not happy holidays,

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right? I'll do I just try to
cover my bases. Yeah, Merry

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Christmas. Merry Christmas. You
and.

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And your family, a Merry
Christmas. You know, the Brits.

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I'm watching the Brits say Happy
Christmas. Happy Christmas.

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01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:09,720
Yeah, Merry New Year. Happy
Christmas. Happy Christmas. Hey

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to all the listeners out there.
We sure appreciate it, guys and

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gals, be sure to subscribe,
share, rate and review. And

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there's a lot of you you're not
taking my advice. Leave us the

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01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:22,580
rating. Leave us the review. It
helps people find the show. We

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sure appreciate it. Jim,
appreciate your time and talent.

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All right. Merry Christmas.
Happy holidays. See you next

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time this has been the rich
Redmond show, subscribe, rate

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,520
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