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The Tya Podcast,

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discover the daily practice that makes spirituality actually work,

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going beyond law of attraction to turn struggle into prosperity and success into

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Tya is an advanced operating system for life, and you're about to learn it right now.

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We are going to talk about Tya versus Scientology.

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And the first thing I want to get out of the way is this is not pro or anti

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Scientology or anything else.

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Tya is not pro or anti anything.

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You will never hear me say that something shouldn't exist or shouldn't be.

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That's the core of Tya is appreciation of all things.

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So if we practice appreciation of all things, that means we find appreciation for all things.

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And I will even get in this episode,

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of how I found deeper appreciation for Scientology.

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So before we dive into it, this isn't about bashing Scientology or promoting Scientology.

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It's not even about promoting Tya.

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I would much rather share Tya and let people figure out for themselves whether

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this is for them or not.

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But I have a guest that I hope is a more frequent guest in the future.

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He's been on in the past.

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Derek Johnson is one of our Tya Academy coaches.

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He specializes in appreciation.

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He also has a scientific background.

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He has a degree in physics and works in more of a computer science mode these days.

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But he brings the science flavor.

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We talk about Tya being metaphysics, psychology, and science combined these days.

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We lean on Derek to be our stress test for the scientific edge of Tya.

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So welcome.

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Okay.

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Thank you, David.

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Was that description accurate?

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Did I get everything?

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Yeah, I do my best, but you know.

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Well, I didn't call you a physicist.

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Okay.

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Although you have an education in it.

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I do.

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And I have friends who are physicists because they went further with it.

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But, you know, life took me in a different direction.

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Well, you can study physics without a formal education, period.

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Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with formal education.

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I did not follow that route.

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I am self-taught in every facet or everything you can imagine.

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But not only do you have this scientific, and this is probably what drew you to this, right?

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You actually dabbled in Scientology a little bit.

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Would you say dabbled in is the way to say that?

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I explored it.

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I explored it.

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I think, uh, I explored it and I was very interested.

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And to be honest with you,

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if,

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if I could have afforded it,

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I would have,

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I would have,

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uh,

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jumped right into it actually at the time.

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And,

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uh,

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I think I mentioned it to you before,

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when I went through,

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while I was a college student,

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I went through this,

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this period where I kind of had a,

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a crisis of belief,

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you know,

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I wasn't sure what was real anymore.

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Whether or not I believed in a God,

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it was kind of a crisis where up until that point,

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all of my belief had been in science at that point.

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So you weren't raised in a religion?

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No, no.

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My grandparents were Baptists,

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but my mother and father weren't really actively attending church or anything like

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that.

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And it wasn't pushed on me.

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So I was free to go if I wanted to, but I didn't need to go.

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I did go to Catholic high school.

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So I got some of the teaching and programmings around that there.

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But I never really attended church other than with my grandmother.

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And I had a lot of questions and problems with it, things that didn't make sense to me.

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And so I just kind of decided that

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I had more trust in science because it was what we could observe,

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what we could test,

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what was proven or what I thought was proven at the time.

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And I just felt more comfortable.

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I felt safer with it.

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And later,

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after I went through this crisis while I was in college,

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then I started thinking,

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well,

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there's definitely a lot more out there beyond what science is ready to acknowledge

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at this point.

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And I had to make a decision.

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Okay.

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Am I going to

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live my life strictly following science and ignore these other things that are

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presenting themselves and close my mind to them?

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Or is it more important for me to have what's real and what's true?

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And which may mean that I'll need to go beyond what science is ready to acknowledge

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at this point in time.

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And I decided to do the latter.

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And one of the things was is that I was really panicked at that time because I

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didn't know if religion was or God was real or not.

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And then I had a couple of strange experiences happen.

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And then I thought, well, wait a minute, maybe I need to sort this thing out.

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And then if I do need to sort it out, which religion is the correct religion?

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Well, I don't know.

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So now I have to explore them.

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And then I started exploring and studying different religions.

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And Scientology was one of the things I explored while I was a student.

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And, uh, and that was it.

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And it was really, and I do appreciate it.

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Like I'm not talking about, you know, all of the, uh,

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all the stuff around the,

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the politics or the,

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the hierarchical structure there that,

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that,

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you know,

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people have left the church for and things like that.

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Those,

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the abusive practices that have been,

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there are rumors about,

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or people have written books about.

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I don't know anything about that.

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I was strictly exploring like what, what was kind of the philosophy behind it?

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How does it work?

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And what are the benefits?

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And it,

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it was a nice angle because L. Ron Hubbard was also a science fiction writer.

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And so he had written things, and then he had come up with these practices.

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And I wasn't deep enough into it to actually understand if what he was writing

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about was a way for him to cloak his

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his beliefs in a way that could be acceptable by society don't forget this this

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happened back in the 50s 60s 70s and so back then people weren't as open-minded and

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as embracing uh metaphysics and uh spirituality outside of the standard you know

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standard religion at that time so i could see why if you wanted to put uh teachings

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out

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related to things like extraterrestrials or things like that,

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then it might be a good idea to,

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you know,

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say it's science fiction.

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And in that way, people will leave you alone because it's fiction.

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You know,

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whereas if you were trying to put those ideas forward and say,

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this is the reality,

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this is the way it really is,

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people would just call you a kook,

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because it was too far of a stretch or too far of a jump from what they've already

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uh, been conditioned to believe or, or used to believing.

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So,

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and whereas I think nowadays,

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like we have,

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uh,

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like the Gaia channel and the,

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um,

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ancient,

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uh,

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what is it?

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Ancient aliens,

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or we have like TV programs that explore like evidence of,

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uh,

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uh,

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evidence of advanced technologies that,

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that predate,

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you know,

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modern civilization.

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And a lot of those technologies we can't reproduce.

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And so today,

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even with our tech,

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so people start to stretch their minds a bit that people may start to entertain the

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idea that there could have been extraterrestrial involvement in human history on

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Earth before modern times.

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You know what I mean?

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So people have a little bit more open mind, a little bit more open minded these days.

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But I think what actually blocked me from exploring Scientology at the time was is that

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They have this process called auditing.

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And I don't know if I'm jumping ahead too much too quickly.

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No, go ahead.

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I think the auditing thing is, you know, it's a cornerstone.

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It's key to it.

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Let's kind of talk about that a little bit.

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I think basically,

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and I'm not a Scientologist,

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but I think basically how it works is the idea is that humans are ultimately divine

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beings and we can't,

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see or realize our divinity because it's been overlaid with layers of conditioning

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or trauma or other things.

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And Scientology has its own specific jargon or terminology for these types of things.

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I think they call them engrams or imprints or things like that.

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But we have these things that restrict us from making

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being fully aware and making free conscious choice moment to moment because we jump

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into repetitive reactive patterns from this previous conditioning or limited

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beliefs.

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And so they have these processes or exercises that they practice to help you learn

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to free yourself from those structures.

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And they have a process where you can clear away

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some of this past stuff by working with another person who's called an auditor.

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And they use a biofeedback device that helps clarify where you're blocked.

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And then you work through these processes with an auditor to clear these blocks.

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And there are levels of clearing and different things that you clear.

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And the clearer you become, the more of your

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uh,

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natural divinity or,

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or whereas in Tya,

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we would say the more access to,

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to source consciousness you gain or more up the spiral you would go.

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And so things become clear to you.

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So from my understanding,

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there's not a lot of teaching in Scientology about religion or what to believe.

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The real focus is on these,

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uh,

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clearing practices,

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because as you do these,

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your direct experience will be,

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you know,

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what teaches you.

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Well, you are our appreciation.

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If you're new to this podcast, Tya runs on a foundation of four pillars that never change.

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Everything else is always evolving and getting better and evolving with time.

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And that's an element of Tya that I think can be somewhat unique compared to other things.

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But appreciation, source, polarity, and intention are our four pillars.

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And those have been stress-tested

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For eight years,

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not a long time in comparison to most of the things that are out there,

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but for eight years,

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we have stress tested those things and those four pillars have held up and they

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were created in my imagination of what's going to work a thousand years from now

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and what would have worked a thousand years ago and beyond that.

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Because my intention with Tya is to create something that is useful in modern day life,

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And something that could continue to evolve because technology continues to evolve.

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Our world continues to evolve.

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And a lot of these ancient practices...

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get changed over time in a way that is more of an ego driven preference influence

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being added on to them.

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And I don't want that to happen to Tya.

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So the four pillars, that's all Tya is.

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So one of the reasons I want to have this podcast is because we do get compared to

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Scientology and

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And before you run away screaming in fear of your judgmental of Scientology,

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there's a lot of ways that we're not like Scientology.

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We'll be very clear about that in this episode.

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But usually I hear it at what I call the surface level.

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We don't do a lot of social media posting.

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Every time I start doing social media posting, I think, why am I doing this?

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The serious people out there are finding us on a podcast or reading the book or

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doing something like that.

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I don't need to put memes out and little one-minute videos and things like that.

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I've done it, but I don't like to do a whole lot of it.

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And what we get there are comments from people who are just sampling what's there

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and responding,

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which I understand.

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And so,

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you know,

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one of the common comments,

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this sounds like Scientology,

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especially when we talk about detuning.

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Because detuning sounds a lot like auditing.

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Because we are detuning our transgressors in Tya,

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meaning any person,

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circumstance,

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or event that we do not view in authentic appreciation is something that we want to

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detune.

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And what happens when we do this detuning is, yes, our general vibration rises.

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We have more source and less ego flowing.

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Life gets better.

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And the whole reason I created this is because I wanted to learn to quote unquote manifest.

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Why can't I manifest in this area when I can manifest in these other areas?

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I've been a student of what people call the law of attraction.

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I call it conscious creation since I was 14, really before that.

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I remember one of my first memories at age six,

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knowing that I could have something that my parents told me I would never be able

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to have.

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It was a car.

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But I remember that moment where something in me said, don't listen to them.

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You can have anything you want.

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That was there then.

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Now we call that the stream because I continue to lean in and listen to that

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throughout a lifetime.

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But I created the practice originally to remove what we call the abundance blocks.

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And of course,

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it just morphed into so many of the areas that really the practice now is intended

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to improve every area of your life with continued practice.

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So, yes, we do detuning.

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We don't hook anyone up to a machine.

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You don't have to necessarily.

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This is something you do that's actually very personal.

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We guide you.

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And Derek is our coach that helps guide this.

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And the guidance,

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though,

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is all about helping someone uncover what they may not be acknowledging or even

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aware of.

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So that's different than auditing.

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And we're not using machinery.

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Tya is about not using anything external whatsoever.

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It's all inner work.

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So how do you,

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am I comparing that accurately in your view since you have more information about

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both of these things?

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These two practices.

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I think, yeah, detuning would be the Taya equivalent of clearing.

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uh clearing but it's it's it's really in involved in in scientology and that's the

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bulk of of what's being done there whereas and then also there the focus is on you

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have to do this you have to clear and the way it's structured is as you get to

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different levels you gain access to different clearing processes and practices so

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You won't know.

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So someone external to you is controlling basically your growth pattern.

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And Tya has other elements to it.

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Like our clearing is quite simple.

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We're appreciating.

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We're mining things for the benefit.

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And we're raising our vibration.

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We're firewalking.

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We're doing other things.

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So our clearing is kind of simple.

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organic and source assisted.

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And I think that's a huge difference.

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One major difference between Scientology and Taya is that source is a pillar in Taya.

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As you move up the vibrational spiral,

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you gain more access to this stream of source consciousness within you,

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which helps guide you to the next thing that you need to clear when you're ready

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for it.

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As you grow stronger, more layers come up for you to clear.

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So it's a very organic, I think, source-driven process as you do the work in Taya.

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And that source is internal, not external to you.

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Right.

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That's why we don't really need anything external from us.

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It all exists in us.

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Tya really just helps you discover what's already there and has always been there.

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And access it.

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Yeah.

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And access it.

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And really, and one of the things...

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So we are different in that way.

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I will come back around.

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There's one thing I want to mention, though.

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You mentioned the term firewalking.

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And just for everyone that's listening out there, we're not talking about walking on hot coals.

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I'll leave that to Tony Robbins.

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He does it.

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Be careful.

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I don't know if they still do that or not, but that's a Tony Robbins thing.

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Our firewalking is something we do at the academy level.

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There's things that we do at the academy level that would be irresponsible for us

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to tell someone to do at the book level or the

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it's okay i don't mind mentioning it but it's not something i would say oh go try

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this because we don't know you we don't know what's going on with you and it would

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be very irresponsible for us so firewalking is a is a higher level of detuning that

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we do but i won't go any further into that so it's good that you mentioned it it

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brought it out but i just want everybody to know that it's not walking on hot coals

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which you know it's kind of i've never done it i've known people that have done it

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they say it's a really cool experience so

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The similarities, because anytime I find something that I'm judging from,

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any way i want to detune it well how how do we detune it we appreciate it well what

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do we mean by appreciate it we don't mean saying that something that we think is

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horrible is suddenly just great it's instead of rushing to judgment because

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judgment often sends energy it spikes energy when you're judging something it

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should not be you feel that energy spike when you're triggered by something

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especially and

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you feel an energy spike.

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So now what are you doing?

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If you believe in conscious creation,

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and Taya is all about that,

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you are now activating the energy of exactly what you don't want,

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what's triggering you in your life.

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And if you believe that we're a collective consciousness,

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you are actually feeding exactly what you don't want.

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And if you want proof of this,

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Look at the elements, and I say this all the time, I'll say it again.

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Look at the things going on in society that a lot of people say shouldn't exist.

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You can have a whole list of them and look at how they grow in intensity.

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The more we focus on them and judge them and they don't get solved.

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There's a lot of things that don't get solved because we want to demonize it and we

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stop at the demonization.

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They begin to get solved when we tire of the demonization and we move into,

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okay,

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why is this happening?

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What's the origin of this?

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How can we be more preventative around this instead of just saying that person's

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evil and terrible and must be stopped or they're demonic or,

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you know,

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there's just not a lot of,

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solving energy there when you're just demonizing something.

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So when we say appreciation,

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instead of rushing to judge something as this shouldn't exist,

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especially when it already is or was,

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why don't we reframe it in such a way that I want to understand this on a deeper

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level.

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And we do this automatically.

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Think of the things in your life that you once demonized that ended up being a

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blessing in disguise or a big turning point or turned you in a direction that ended

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up being good.

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And what happens?

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That thing that you were judging at one time completely changes energetically to

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something that was a gift,

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the silver lining,

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if you will.

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So with Taya, we're doing that with detuning.

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And that's what Derek's coaching is really centered on is that appreciation piece.

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And that's what detuning is.

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And the more you do that, the more you are detuning your ego, which is all about preference.

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But when it's really activated, it can be about judgment.

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And when you detune your ego, more of your source being automatically becomes realized.

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So that's the core of Tya right there.

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That's what the four pillars are all about.

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As far as similarities to Scientology, my detuning of Scientology was to first not judge it.

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The celebrities that I'm aware, I don't know a lot about Scientology.

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I know there's some well-known celebrities that are really into it that seem to be

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very successful at what they do.

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There are some others that have left that have said a lot of negative things about it.

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I have no reason not to believe them.

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All of it is possible.

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It is really a closed door, kind of a gated thing, right?

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You've got to get on the other side of the gate to really learn it.

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Even once you're in it,

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the upper levels are also,

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you know,

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closed doors to people at the lower levels.

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Secret society type of, yeah.

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So we...

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We were just talking about this the other day.

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And the interesting thing was,

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is that the moment I got off the meeting,

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it was a group meeting,

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a Tya Academy group meeting that we were on and we were talking about Scientology.

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We rarely do.

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And if ever, I don't think we've ever talked about it before.

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And I get off of that meeting and I look at my email and I have one email address

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where everybody hits me up for being a guest on this podcast.

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We don't do that.

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Everybody on the podcast is talking about Tya.

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I don't accept outside guests at all, but I still get hit up a couple of times a day.

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And so the first one,

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I saw it in that,

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uh,

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I don't even open the emails,

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but you know,

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that little sentence they give you as,

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you know,

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the previous sentence I saw,

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uh,

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like prominent Dianetics,

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uh,

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expert wants to be on your podcast.

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I thought I've never seen the word Dianetics in my email feed before.

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And here I'm seeing it right after this conversation.

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Maybe there's something there.

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And I had already thought that I wanted to do this.

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In fact,

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I already think I had this on the calendar and you chose it because you had a

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little bit of knowledge about this.

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What an interesting synchronicity is all things are for us to talk about this.

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So my detuning of Scientology came when I read Lisa Marie Presley's biography.

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Uh, fascinated by her because we were born same month, same year.

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Um, you know, always found her interesting, you know, talk, talk about very different lives.

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I was born very unknown and very poor, you know, abusive parents, that sort of thing.

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And she was born,

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you know,

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into great privilege and wealth and notoriety and all of these things.

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So this biography was written by her and her daughter because she passed away,

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unfortunately,

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before it was able to be finished.

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And she talks about in this biography how when she was little, she was raised in Scientology.

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Her mother became a Scientologist right after she left Elvis or maybe even before

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that,

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I'm not sure.

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And how for her,

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Scientology gave her all of the structure,

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but eventually she sort of tired of it for whatever reason and left it.

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And then her life sort of unraveled after that because she didn't have the structure.

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which is what we're talking about all the time with Taya being an evolution of religion even.

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That religion used to be the canon that people would live by because you would be

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indoctrinated in and said,

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this is what you're supposed to believe,

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and people would just believe it.

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And now that we have access to so much more information,

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there's just so many other people and ideas and we're just so much more mobile than

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we used to be.

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People just naturally are questioning more and more and more.

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And we're starting to see the flaws in religion show up.

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It's starting to sort of crumble.

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Less people every year are identifying as religious.

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But if you don't move on to some other system to operate your life by,

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you can really feel like you're out in the wilderness.

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And what people usually do is they say, I'm an atheist.

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If it's not scientifically proven, I don't believe it.

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I'm an atheist.

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There's nothing else.

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You live, you die, and that's it.

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I totally understand that.

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And I think it's fine to be an atheist, by the way.

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But what I've noticed is I know a lot of people that say they're atheists.

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And when you start talking to them about how they run their lives,

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it's always a mixture of politics and commerce and status and identity.

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And it's sort of this cobbled together system that,

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you know,

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as long as I have money,

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I feel okay about my life in the world.

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As long as I have my title,

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my position,

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my health,

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my looks,

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my,

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you know,

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whatever it is,

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there's always these identity markers and wealth security and,

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you know,

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all of those things.

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And then you start talking about politics and you find out immediately which

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polarized side they're on.

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And, you know, my side good, everyone else bad, all that sort of talk.

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So, you know, everyone runs on a system no matter what.

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And I don't want to run on a matrix-driven, ego-driven system.

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So Taya is that, is a system.

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Is it completely scientific?

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No.

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In fact,

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up until you got involved,

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the science was really proving it to yourself that you are doing,

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I always say,

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if you do a little bit of this,

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see that it works,

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do some more.

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And it's always your choice whether you do it or not.

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So there's no penalty for dipping in and out of the Taya practice, and there never will be.

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And the science part of it,

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to me,

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the most important scientific part of it is the experimentation that we do for

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ourselves.

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Prove it to yourself.

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Because certainly there are things going on that science would love to prove or

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disprove and cannot.

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And all of that is metaphysics.

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Source,

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I don't believe Source will ever be proven or disproven because I believe what we

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call Source is,

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I don't think it's a deity.

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I don't think it's human-like.

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I don't think it's gendered.

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I don't think it's looking to be worshipped or obeyed.

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But I do think that there is a creative energy of the universe that exists in everything.

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And really, that's what Source is.

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So those are the similarities.

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And I see the need, if you choose it, to have a system to operate your life by.

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And the gift of the system is the ongoing continual clearing that creates an

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ongoing increased vibration,

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which means more and more of a source-like existence where fear and judgment and

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need and identity just become more and more detuned in your life.

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But I'm still not taking it to that place where we are just sitting and meditating

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all day and being source.

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Because I do believe that we came here for a physical experience and that we came

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here to experience physical at the time that we're here.

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And our world is heavily material.

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And we do operate in a system of exchange.

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So I am not going to pretend like Taya is something that you're supposed to just go

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completely detune,

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all need, all judgment, all desire, and just be.

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If you want to do that, fine.

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But Taya gives you the leeway to still have a human experience in our current reality.

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You get to play in the matrix.

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You just don't have to be controlled by it.

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And I think that's a sweet spot for a lot of people.

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I like the way Taya was described as an operating system before.

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A way to navigate life

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in a way that allows you to experience more of what you prefer and to be less

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affected by the hiccups or speed bumps or road bumps that life or curveballs that

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life throws at you.

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And I think it's really good for that, actually.

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And I think this focus on

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I think really the focus of Taya is kind of like basically that.

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It's a way of navigating life.

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And when hiccups do come up,

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then you detune and you clear what's in you that's pulling that particular

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experience to you vibrationally.

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And you clear it.

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So there's a lot of ownership,

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self-responsibility,

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and acknowledgment that to some degree you are

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creating your experience and taking responsibility for that.

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And that we are all part of source.

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So there are a lot of elements that are built in there that make it a very nice

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foundational system for navigating life.

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I think it's really, really good for that.

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It's not as complex as Scientology.

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You don't need to lean on external authority to dictate how far you can go.

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like it's a very, I think it's a very elegant practice with just those four pillars.

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And I think if your intention was to design something that could go beyond you and

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not be limited by,

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you know,

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egos that come into play along the way,

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I think you've,

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I think you've succeeded.

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Yeah.

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And I think that like what you mentioned before about the church or traditional

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churches and religions that people get into,

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especially like the Christian and Catholic religions, things like that.

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I think that's exactly,

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and probably Scientology too,

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that's probably exactly what's happened is that egos have come on the scene and

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decided that things needed to be a certain way because they went for their

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particular agendas or reasons.

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And I think it corrupts the pure teaching that was probably given in the beginning.

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And so I can only imagine that probably what I'm sure

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What the Church of Scientology has evolved into today is not what L.

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Ron Hubbard envisioned in the beginning.

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If he were strict about the protocols or practices in the beginning,

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I'm sure it was to keep it pure.

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And I think somewhere along the way,

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ego creeped in and I need to be at the top and I'm the one in charge and I'm the

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boss.

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And I think to some degree, probably that's also happened to Christianity too.

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I don't believe that when Jesus walked the earth, his intention was for there to be a middleman.

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you know, like the Pope or someone between God and man.

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Yeah,

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we could do a whole series of podcasts on modern Christianity versus what Jesus

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probably was all about.

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Yeah, that creep, that ego creep that you were talking about, I think that's in a lot of things.

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And it's very, it's nice that you had that in mind when you were designing this.

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And so it's simple for a reason and the practices are clear for a reason.

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And I think that's one of the things that drew me to it and why I kind of sped

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through the book once I got my copy of it,

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the Taya book.

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And yeah, so I appreciate that.

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But I can see why a lot of people are becoming disillusioned with kind of

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mainstream religion because science has reached a point where it's proving a lot of

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things.

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And then when you go back and you look at some of that stuff from a logical

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perspective,

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it just doesn't make sense.

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Yeah, I questioned it.

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I remember in the fourth grade,

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I got kicked out of Sunday school for questioning about why dinosaurs didn't exist

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in the Bible.

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Well, when they wrote the Bible, they hadn't discovered the bones yet.

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And I remember my older brother saying, well, God put that in there to test you.

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I'm like, that kind of sounds like bullshit to me.

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I don't know.

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I'm not buying that.

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I'm not buying it.

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So it's very easy to disprove, but people...

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want that identity.

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Uh, there's a mega church out here by, by our house.

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And,

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uh,

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you know,

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we were driving by one Sunday and,

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you know,

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they have to have like,

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you know,

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people directing traffic in and out.

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It's just, just huge parking lot, all these cars, you know, waiting to go in and things.

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And,

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And, you know, somebody said, I can't believe that many people still fall for this stuff.

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I said, you know, what it is, is it's social.

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There's probably a networking business arm to it.

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You know,

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it gives people sort of a foundation to live by and maybe raise their kids by,

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you know,

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that you're going to burn in hell thing works,

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you know,

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pretty well to keep people in line,

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at least some people.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know what this church even teaches.

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I don't even know any of that.

(00:32:36):
But again, the detuning, right?

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The value of it is this.

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It's community.

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It's identity.

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It's social networking.

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There's probably some business networking that goes on there.

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It's a place to go and a thing to do and an identity of this is who we are and what we believe.

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And I think that we are...

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We are technology enough ourselves that we need the system to run on because

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everybody runs on some kind of a system.

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You call it a belief system.

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Really, that's what it is.

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Everyone has this set of beliefs that they operate on.

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And I look at AI and all of that and realize that we are that.

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We are creating in our own image.

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We're just trying to create a more efficient version of ourselves that thinks more

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efficiently than we do.

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And it runs on a system.

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There's programming.

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I use ChatGPT and I use Claude and I use something.

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I use three, but primarily ChatGPT just because I've been using it for so long.

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It's so dialed in to what I want to talk about.

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But obviously it's still programmed.

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There's bias in there and it's always telling me how right I am about everything.

(00:33:44):
It can give me something,

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tell me that it's absolutely the best output and then I can question it and it will

(00:33:48):
turn right around and tell me I'm right to question it.

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which for me is maddening.

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I've told it so many times, stop telling me that I'm right or I'm smart to ask.

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I don't care.

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I want to hear from you where I'm wrong.

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know what isn't working you know i'm all about stress testing everything so if i

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have a new idea let's stress test this against you know what you know about me and

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i i have to really work at getting that from it so there's a lot of flaws in ai

(00:34:13):
because it's it's sort of created like a social network you know that we're

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designed to make us you know dopamine to make us feel good and you know why do we

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need that there's plenty of things that offer that we don't we don't need that from

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ai

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I think one big reason that people are still drawn to mainstream religions is

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because there's still truth in it.

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Like those religions sprung up from,

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you know,

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divinely inspired teachers and and people can still see that truth.

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Yeah, I think everyone innately knows that we're more than just this.

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And there's some sort of creative power.

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Absolutely.

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there's a lot of wisdom and uh valuable teachings in those religions that that

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people appreciate it's just nowadays it's just packaged it comes with a layer of of

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other stuff too and so if you if you are one of those people who can go to church

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and weed through the uh the dogma and the uh

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uh, what's been, what's been put on top of, of the core of the teaching.

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If you can get to the core of the teaching, there's still, it's still in there.

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I mean, and I think it's the same for, for Scientology and the other religions as well too.

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And that's what, that's another reason that people are drawn to it.

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They can feel it,

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you know,

(00:35:30):
there's something to it,

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but it just comes with,

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uh,

(00:35:33):
it's had that ego stuff added into it that you mentioned earlier.

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Well, and I will, I will say that, um,

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I understand as someone who has started something like this,

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that is not a,

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it's not a coaching program.

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A lot of people, it's funny because I used to kind of struggle to even define it for myself.

(00:35:53):
And I think now,

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like right now,

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we're getting really dialed in on how we describe it and what it really is.

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Again, eight years is nothing in the creation of something like this.

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But I think we're at a turning point right now where we're getting really dialed in

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on what it is,

(00:36:07):
how it operates,

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who it serves.

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how you do it best and, you know, who it's not for.

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And people would say, are you a life coach?

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And I'd always,

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you know,

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kind of recoil from that saying,

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no,

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I'm not telling people how to run their lives.

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I'm not a life coach.

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I'm not going to tell you what your exercise, you know, who am I to say that?

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So it's not life coaching.

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It's not even coaching.

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I started out in the coaching world,

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but that only lasted a very brief time with abundance breakthroughs.

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This coaching program turned into Taya

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in a few months.

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And the intent,

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because my intentionality was to take all of these things that I already understood

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and

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and teach a system because I'd already created the system for myself to start

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teaching the system to other people.

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Well, then it came in, well, okay, how do I, I've got to be able to explain it.

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I didn't need four pillars.

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I just knew what I was doing every day.

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But once I start trying to communicate that to other people,

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that's where the four pillars came in and the terminology and all of those things

(00:37:08):
that make it easy for someone to absorb and apply if they choose to.

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But I will be very clear when,

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from this day forward, if there's any lack of clarity around it, this is not coaching.

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I call you a coach.

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We have coaches that work within the system.

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This is an operating system for your life.

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And it's not a good thing for dabblers.

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I think you should dabble in it long enough to decide whether it's something that

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you're aligned with or not.

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But you need to move forward with it if you're really going to apply it because

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it's designed to continually regenerate at higher and higher and higher levels.

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So you don't just go through an eight-week program and learn it and you're done.

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You've got to keep going with it.

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So in all of these years that we've had hundreds of people come through our program,

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A lot of them have fallen away and probably gone on and done other things.

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Again, we don't have a penalty for that, so they're free to do that.

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Others have practiced on their own, and I hear from them, and they seem to be doing fine.

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Others continue working with us in different ways.

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And the people that are sort of in my inner world that have worked on this,

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like Matt,

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who's on here all the time,

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and especially people that work with me,

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They are deep, deep, deep into the practice.

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And I see just such magical things going on for them because they have put the

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effort in to continue practicing this.

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I like what you told me in the beginning was everything is in the book.

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I made sure everything is in the book.

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You're transparent about the practice.

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If someone does want to get really familiar with Taya and

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start the practice or do the practice learn the practice they just need to tie your

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book and then that that's their way that's your way in if you can read the book or

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listen to the audio book and actually practice some of the material on your own you

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will start to see it work in your life and i think what you were saying earlier was

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that you know as you the difference between dabbling with this practice and and

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doing it consistently is that when you when you dabble

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Basically, you have a conditioned version of you that thinks and operates in a certain way.

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And when you dabble, there's basically two versions of you that are creating.

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And the version of you that's dabbling,

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you're playing with it,

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and you will start to see some results from it.

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But for the most part,

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you'll still be your normal self,

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vibrating at the normal way you vibrate in the world,

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attracting the experiences to you that you do.

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And so as you start practicing these four pillars consistently,

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then there'll gradually be a shift where it will start to become your way of

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operating and navigating the world.

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And you'll more consistently draw these better experiences and results to yourself,

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and you'll see the fruit from it.

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And with these extended programs or more like deeper dives into the material that

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allow you to really

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Embody embody these practices and go deeper with them and take them to a higher

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level and it's just an overall upgrade to your life and your life just keeps

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upgrading and upgrading with these deeper practices,

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so I mean there's a definitely.

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a lot of benefit from it, but you don't need the deeper practices right away.

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You can start with the book.

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And it's recommended that you do start with either the podcast or the books because

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you'll be familiar with it.

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You won't be overwhelmed with the material when you come into the deeper program

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because it's serious.

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There's a lot of work in there that you'll need to do.

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And if you already have some experience with the teachings,

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it's easier for you to take it deeper,

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to dive into it,

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because you've already seen some results from your experimentation with it.

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So yeah, it's absolutely worth it.

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And it does just keep getting better and better.

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So I do recommend people start wherever they are, if you want to start.

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To your point, I think as you do the practice, you will become better resourced.

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As you start applying the value and investing in this instead of,

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you know,

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it's funny when sometimes we meet people,

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your coaching program is $10,000.

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That's insane.

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How much did you pay for your car?

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Oh, it's 80,000, 60,000, 50,000.

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Okay.

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So a system that you're going to use for clarity and sovereignty and prosperity for

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the rest of your life is not worth what the BMW lease payment,

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you know,

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Well, again, that's a threshold, right?

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Oh yeah, you're right.

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I do value the car more than I value that.

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Okay.

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Then this is not the thing for you.

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It's not the thing for you.

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And if you are not quote unquote,

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well resourced and you're still in that sort of the world isn't fair.

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Yeah.

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It's not fair that I'm here.

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That kind of mindset, the academy is going to kick your ass if you're there.

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Stay at a different level and I will do that stuff for you at no charge until

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you're ready to say $10,000 is nothing.

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$100,000 is nothing.

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So somebody that I did a session with this morning was saying that he had pledged

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$100,000 to somebody to start learning a system and started learning it.

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And he likes this one better.

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And I said, I'm not ready to just ask for $100,000 pledge, but I like that as kind of a test.

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If this costs $100,000 over a lifetime, do you see that?

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And if the answer is no, then why not?

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Because if it's doing for you what you believe it will do,

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that should just be nothing,

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inconsequential.

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But if it's not, then why are you pursuing it?

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So what I'm trying to communicate here is being in the headspace of this is going

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to be something that I'm choosing.

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It's a chosen system, not mandated.

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There'll never be dogma.

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And I see how it can serve me already.

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I want it to serve me more and more and more.

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And the money will just arrive for me to keep doing higher level work as we keep

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building out these higher levels of it.

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And that's something that...

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I think on the other side of the gate,

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Scientology probably has dialed in really well because you have all these – I don't

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want these identities.

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I don't want an ego-driven identity of, well, I'm above you because I've done this.

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It's not that at all.

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But there is something to be said for,

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okay,

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I'm going to do this specific work to achieve this level and then to keep going

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higher because we see the value in going higher,

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right?

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Right.

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I'm going to then do that.

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So that will be part of Taya for sure.

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It already is,

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but that will be more fleshed out as part of Taya to give people sort of an A to Z.

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This is what this looks like.

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That's more that what you described earlier is more like in karate.

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I'm a yellow belt.

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I'm a red belt.

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Well, it's just kind of understanding what level of work are you doing?

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What level of training do you need?

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Who do you need to work with?

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There is value.

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This is a system.

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The scientific part of this is that it's a system.

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And it's very important to have a system because right now,

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most people are running on a system that they're not even aware that they're

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running on.

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And there's a lot of fear and judgment peppered into it.

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And if you're tired of fear and judgment and you want to detune those elements out

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of your life,

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not completely,

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but mostly and live a relatively fear-free life,

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especially in an era where there's so much fear being peddled to us every day that

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they're just going on social media or the news can be terrifying.

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I don't want to live like that.

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I want to be a sovereign being, no matter what's going on around me.

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I know that I'm, I'm protected.

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I'm good.

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I'm cared for.

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My wellbeing is guaranteed.

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That has worked for me for 58 years.

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So, and honestly, honestly speaking, even just if you just had the ability to just detune,

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world events and the things you see on the news that alone is is invaluable yes

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especially yeah well and you know part of taya too is that ultimately for a while

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you might want to turn those things off and cleanse yourself but now i don't have

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to hide from any of it yeah plus once you understand once you understand how life

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treats you once you're up your spiral vibrationally versus down and then you're

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able to just

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Wipe away all the anxiety,

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fear and anger from these external events that are always trying to trigger you in

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some way.

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I mean, that's that's gold by itself.

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Yeah, it is.

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Yeah, that's that's what I want the rest of my life to look like.

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The financial health and all that stuff is secondary to clarity and sovereignty,

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emotional mastery,

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so that I'm not being batted all over the place with judgments and things like

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that.

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That's why we talk about emotional mastery so much.

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So we are shifting some things a bit.

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We're getting a little more structured than we have been because we need to be at this point.

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Uh, Ty is maturing.

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Uh,

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I've gotten into doing some things that were pulling out of us in an email out

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about that this week that I'm backing out.

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I was doing too much.

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Um, this is the place to consume it casually.

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The book is a little more of a commitment and then the Academy is much more of a

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commitment and the,

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uh,

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the session work that I do.

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That's something I very much limit.

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And it really is for somebody who just doesn't want to go do the academy level work.

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They want to come have a conversation.

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But if you're going to have a conversation,

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then we're going to have a series of conversations and you're going to apply what

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we're talking about and you're going to come back.

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And it's not a money saving thing because it costs the same.

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You've got to buy a block of 10 for a thousand dollars a piece to do that.

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Because you need to be...

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Yeah, it's $10,000 either way.

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You pick your lane.

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If you want to go do modules and group work and get to know people and community

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and go really deep and one-to-one coaching with different coaches,

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that's academy.

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If you just want to talk to me,

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if you just want to talk to the founder of the whole thing and apply and come back

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and stress test and do this over a period,

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a long period of time,

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then that's the session work.

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But they're both the same price to start.

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Something you said was funny earlier.

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And you,

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you mentioned the guy who had pledged,

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uh,

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a hundred K for,

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to learn a different system.

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And after he had learned that, then he found Taya.

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Yes.

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And it, and, and actually there's something vibrationally going on there.

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The same thing happened to me.

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I did a 10 K program, uh, the year before I joined bootcamp.

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And right after I finished it,

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right after I finished it,

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I found the Taya book and joined bootcamp.

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And oh, I thought, oh my God.

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Why did I spend the 10K for the other thing?

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Because this is what I was really looking for.

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Well,

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you know what I like to say,

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though,

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because a lot of people,

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this is not their first rodeo.

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It's not their first program they've taken.

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We see that a lot.

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Some people it is, but a lot of people haven't.

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I always say don't demonize those things.

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What Taya will do is give you the foundational structure to allow all of those

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other things to come online and have more value.

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And I do believe that.

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Unless it was just a complete,

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and I can't imagine you or anybody in Taya to be taken advantage of in such a way

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that you took a complete BS program.

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And they're out there, especially the get rich quick type stuff.

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But I can't imagine anybody in Taya,

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they're a long way from that space,

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you know,

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if they were ever in it at all.

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So it was probably something legitimate that this just gives you the foundation to actually.

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What you said, what you said is accurate, actually, because that program was good.

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But I wasn't in a place where I could take full advantage of it.

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And I think that if I if I entered into it now after having gone through through

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this training,

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then it would be a very different experience.

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I'm just in a completely different space now.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, I did create Taya to be the only thing you ever need.

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But again, that's up to the student.

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But the only thing you ever need,

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meaning these four pillars have proven to do everything that any human being needs,

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if they choose it,

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to just keep you on this evolutionary,

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just increasing spiral of greater clarity,

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more sovereignty,

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and a more joyful existence endlessly.

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I don't see an end to this.

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Yeah.

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Well, I want to take this opportunity to thank you for helping out here on this episode, Derek.

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Very knowledgeable about a lot of things.

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It's always good to have you on.

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Hope to have you on more soon.

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We're going to be doing some group discussions with more than just two of us soon.

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We have the other coaches and mastermind members on here to share all this with all

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of you and all of you that made it all the way to the end.

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This is a longer episode for us, but it was a loaded one.

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So thank you for making it all the way to the end.

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If you didn't skip ahead,

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if you did skip ahead,

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go back and listen in the middle because that was the juicy part.

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Thank you so much.

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That's it for today.

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Taya is a system of elite emotional mastery.

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The work lives at tyacademy.com.

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That's tyacademy.com.

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I'll leave it there.