Squawk, squawk, squawk. Mata Hare
is going to file her report.
Everything is ready, my darling. Do not be
afraid. So we'll be together again.
This sandwich tastes as dry as hell.
Hello, and welcome to hello. This is the Doomed Show. I am Richard,
folks. I'm a witchy woman.
See me talk to Simon.
Do you know anything about Cello?
Oh, folks, this is a very spectacular
episode. Simon's here to talk to me
about listening to footsteps in my hallways.
Talk to me about girls with the names of snakes.
But, yeah, we're finally tackling Suspiria, folks.
So, listener and friend of the show, Glenn del Rossi,
he messaged me a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago, and was like,
so I can't find you talking about the Three Mothers
trilogy on the archive. Did you guys,
like, forget to do that? I said, yes, yes,
we did forget to do that. We've done a bunch of, like, big Argento episodes.
Brad and I did Argento in the 90s. Excuse me,
Argento in the 90s episode. And you
and I, of course, covered the most important of
all of the Suspiria. We covered Newspiria. Oh, shit. Yeah.
Of course. I find that hilarious that we covered that before this
and Jeffrey and I, years ago.
One of the most wonderful, weirdly popular episodes of the doom show on YouTube
is demon6de profundis.
Yes. Classic. AKA the black cat. My favorite
movie, where Luigi Cosi said, you're not going to finish that
trilogy, are you? Here, let me do it for you, bro. And then made a
batshit crazy movie. And of course, you know,
Argento finally finished with Mother of Tears, which,
you know, hopefully coming soon. We'll get there when we get there.
Jeffrey, of course, automatically swiped that one. It's mine.
Of course I want to do it. It's yours,
buddy. Anyway, so, yes, thank you to Glenn Del Rossi for
suggesting this. And yes, please check out his Instagram.
He is a movie collector par excellence.
His movie collection Eclipses Mine.
And, sorry, folks at home, it probably eclipses
yours too. It's just sick. Gotta check out his channel. It's great.
This is weird. Instagram sirenicity. Sorry,
synchronicity, what have you. This, because I was listening to the. You were
talking about an episode you'd forgotten were recorded, and I was re. Listening to
I'd Forgotten we recorded, which was Eaten Alive, which is another one of Glenn's.
Thank you, Tim, for that. Yeah, that's right. I forgot he requested
that. Yeah. Man, that's incredible. Simon was reminding me that once Upon
a time we did an episode called Spasmo
and House of Witchcraft and I
barely remembered I was talking about Spasmo.
Oh, here comes Cheese. I didn't say cheese. I said Spasmo.
Cheese. Anyway,
wrong cat. Sorry. Yes, we named our cat Spasmo.
Moving on. When we talked about House of Witchcraft and I had no
fucking memory of it. And the first time I watched it, I thought was
the first time I ever saw it before. Very weird.
It's almost like episode 183 was like,
you know, a hundred episodes ago. Yeah,
exactly. So, yeah, we're gonna jump into this thing a spoiler alert.
If you haven't seen Suspiria, I'll buy now people.
You're not doing it right. Yep. Watch frickin Suspiria.
I'm gonna drop the legendary trailer in
right now, which is so funny. Sounds so corny
and beautiful. So here it goes. Roses are
red, violets are blue.
But the iris is the flower that
will mean the end of it.
Saspiria.
You can run from Suspiria.
Suspiria.
You can hide from Suspiria.
Saspiria.
But you cannot escape Suspiria.
The only thing more terrifying than
the last 12 minutes of suspia.
Father first 92.
That's the trailer for the movie. No problem. So I'm gonna
read the plot from this VHS tape. Oh, before you do that. I am.
Oh my God. Before you read that, can I've just prepared a little synopsis
of my own. Oh, please. Totally not cribbed from TV Guide
or anything. So let's hear it. Here it goes. Simon Banyan
decided to perfect his podcast studies in the most famous school
of podcasting in America. He chose a celebrated Academy of Tampa.
One day at nine in the morning, he left John London Airport,
Liverpool and arrived in Florida at 10:40pm local time.
That is the most creative thing that's ever happened on this show. That was amazing.
Thank you. I loved it. Brilliant. So, yes,
I found this beautiful emi. I can't read that logo. What is
that, like Thornemi or something? Thank you.
My eyes are great. Thorn EMI VHS tape. This is
a beautiful VHS tape. I freaking love it. So it says Suspiria
on the front cover. It says, quote unquote, Psycho meets, quote unquote,
the Exorcist with no holds Barred. Which means that
Anthony Perkins is wrestling with Linda Blair
in the ring. I fucking love that. Here's the
plot on the back of the box. Psycho meets the Exorcist
with no Holds Barred. A genuinely scary thriller with
gaudy visuals and a screaming sound track.
A pyrotechnic display for those who can take it.
Thunderstorms, explicit murders, a room full of maggots.
What is the horrifying secret of the ballet school? Suspiria has a gothic
ghoulishness that makes other tales of terror look anemic.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's fucking awesome. Yeah. Love it. Not as good
as yours. Not as good as your fairy tale intro. Thank you.
Love the fairy tale intro. We're gonna talk about some of this cast. To get
us started here we have Jessica Harper as Susie Banion.
She's our. Our lead ballerina who's. Who's an American.
And she's just so naive, Simon. She doesn't know
about the. The money grubbing Europeans.
Jessica Harper, of course, from. What is it?
Phantom of the paradise and from Shock Treatment,
the sequel to the Rocky Horror Picture show, which people like myself,
when they discover there's a sequel to the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Blows their minds. Yeah, still need to see that. I did think about
nearly watching it recently and just got lost in the shuffle. Oh, man,
it's wacky. Wacky stuff. Next up, we've got Stefania
Cassini as Sarah. She is her pal at the
school. I really like Stefania Cassini.
Is she the one in bloodstained shadow? She is, yeah.
Yeah. My vacation giallo. I haven't been on vacation a long time,
so I haven't watched it. I love, love that film.
Me too. Yeah, she's so. She's Sarah the also ballerina.
She's into something else with Udo Kir, isn't she? I get the mix up.
Is it Blood for Dracula? I think yes. We get
a Blood for Dracula. I almost said reunition
reunion here. Flavio Bucci as Daniel
the blind pianist. I love this guy.
He's so good looking and weird looking. He also looks like
Dario Argento in this movie, which is super hilarious.
I love when Dario picks an actor that looks just like him to
stick in a movie. Surprisingly didn't cast Peter. Is it Peter Bark
or Peter Bark?
This mommy smells of death. Blah, blah, blah. I was gonna say.
And I nearly messaged you this the other day because it's just been announced on
4K, but I thought it was a bit mean. But no, I'm sure I'll still
tickle you. Yeah, I'm just gonna throw it out there publicly because he's in Night
Train Murders and I'm still awaiting for a Christmas episode from you and Lietta
covering it. Oh, sorry, folks at home,
if you don't know. If you ask Lietta the worst thing I ever showed her,
she will tell you. Night Train Murders. Worst thing I ever
showed her. We watched that 20 years ago.
Wow. And she's still mad about it.
So that'll be a no then on that Saint Kritnis episode, I take it?
Oh, man, that would be funny. I'd have to prank her or something. Like a
prank. I really like Flavio Bucci in this. His character
is hilariously over the top. Another key character is Giuseppe.
Giuseppe Transochie. He plays Pav.
God damn it. He plays Pal. Fuck his name.
It says Pavlo on IMDb, but I'm sure they all call him Pavlos
or something. That's why I'm getting confused. Yeah. So, yes,
in the movie, he's Pavel Pavlop. Fuck his
name. I hate his name. Pavlos. Yeah. Or Pavlo
in IMDb. But, yeah, this is a very distinct looking guy.
This is the guy who, you know, he. He got gingivitis,
and instead of, like, flossing and brushing and using Listerine, he just ripped all of
his teeth out, hilariously. I. I have
to rewatch this now because I cannot remember him at all. Apparently,
he's in Werewolf in a girl's dormitory from 1961.
I'm well overdue for a rewatch of that. Yes.
Next up, we got Miguel Bozet as Mark. He's the little. What do
you call it? A romantic interest for
Susie. So dreamy. So dreamy. So utterly ineffectual.
It's almost not worth mentioning that he's in the movie. Yeah.
I'm trying to think if I've seen him in anything else from
back in the day. And. Yeah, no, doesn't ring a bell.
Next up, we have the amazing Barbara Magnolfi
as Olga.
Olga's a character. She's. She's a. She's a force
of nature. You got to deal with her. She hates, you know, names that start
with S's. But, dude, this lady,
Barbara Magnolfi has such a presence on Insta. Not Instagram.
On. On Facebook. She is always
posting stuff. She is so fun. She's still acting,
still doing stuff. Very active lady, staying in touch with the
fans. Always selling, like,
autographed merch and stuff like that. Of course, other than
Suspiria, she's in the insane, sleazy Giallo,
sister of Ursula. Yeah. Which is trashy.
The other one on here, that's Listed. I've still not seen either of these.
Is it that and Suspicious Death of a Minor?
Totally forgot. She's in that. Yeah, dude, that's Martino. I can't recommend that
one enough. That's fun. That's a good one. She's also in Cut
and Run. Excuse me. Or is it Lindsay?
I forgot. Yeah, it's. It's Deodato. Yeah. Cut and Run. I was a
little disappointed when I revisited. I'd been. I saw that in the drive in
when I was like 8 and so I was very excited to revisit that.
And it's. It's okay. It's definitely got some,
I guess, pacing. I don't know. Something's wrong with that movie.
It's weird. Anyway, next up is Eva Axon.
She plays Pat Hingle, our. Our victim here.
This is a Swedish actress. And most notably, she has a cameo in
Tenebrae. And now I have to look out for her. Really? I had
no clue. Jane's accomplice.
I'm like, huh? Jane's accomplice. Okay. Oh,
is it the at the airport who helps trash
think of his sluggish. That's so funny.
Now I can't unsee her. Good job. Yeah. My brain was like.
Like Jane's accomplice. Whatever. But now I get it.
Yeah. I can remember the scene. I just can't visualize her.
Oh, man, that's so funny. She's got the head scarf.
Ah. Walks in. She's real suspicious looking. Ah, yes. Now, yeah,
Now I see it. Yeah. But her character name makes me laugh every time I
see this. Because of the guy who I think is best
known as Commissioner Gordon in the Burton and Schumacher
Batman films. Pat Hingle. That's amazing.
We got Alida valli. She plays Ms. Tanner. She of
the big teeth variety. She's the instructor,
the ballet instructor. She's also a force of nature.
She's from the grand old days of Hollywood and just amazing
films like Eyes Without a Face.
She was also in Lisa and the Devil and the
Eye in the Labyrinth. Oh, yeah, Nearly forgot about that one.
Yeah. And I see she plays. I've not seen in a long time.
The classic plays. Anna Schmidt the
Third Man. Dude, I haven't seen that in freaking years.
Same years. Speaking of classic Hollywood, we've got Joan Bennett.
Classen up the joint. Got some interesting tales about
her. She was quite a controversial
figure as a young woman. Another little
Simon ISTI synchronicity, what have you. She actually
died on this day in 1990. Whoa.
Yeah. We have an alibi, folks. We didn't do
it. So. Yeah, just a few. Just a few more people. I swear, these are
all interesting to me. These freaking people. This is great. We got Jacopo
Mariani, who plays Albert, the little kid. The little.
What did I call him? I called him that little Boy Blue.
Oh, I called him Little Jack Horner. Little Jack Horner.
He was the kid who was in Deep Red. He's in the
inciting incident of Deep Red. He's the flashback kid.
And he went to creepy kid acting school before this movie. He's great.
Love it. Next up, we have a couple of amazing character
actors here. Love to work as the taxi driver.
We've got Fulvio Magnozzi, or, excuse me,
Fulvio Mingosi, If I remember 100.
Sorry, come. I was gonna say when I did one of my most
insane sort of movie films years ago, when I could still watch them
more than like, two films in a row. Watched all the
Argento films, aside from the 5 I've still not watched.
Yes. Despite having. Speaking of. We're talking before about films we've
had too long and not watched. I can see from the Severin 4K
that's been out nearly two years. I will get to it eventually. But that I
watched all eight of his films from between Bird with a
Crystal Plumage, up to Phenomena in one day or maybe
day in a bit. It was like, from first thing in the morning till,
like, probably dawn, pretty much. And I noticed, I think he's in every
one of those films. There, like, been described as kind of a good
luck charm. That's so cool. As you've alluded to
many, many other movies. And I think he's actually got two roles in Phenomena.
It says he's credited. There is Mr. Sulzer,
but I think he's the driver in that as well. But he's got like some,
like a mustache on or something. Yeah. That's amazing.
Yeah. 126 roles over
the years. Yeah. Deep Red Eyeball,
Big racket. Good stuff. Next up, another person that I find amazing.
Franca Scagnati. Wait, did I write that?
Franco Scagnetti. She is the cook in
this movie. 166 roles for
her. She had a lot of uncredited stuff.
And then we have renato scarpa as Dr.
Vertegast. This blew my mind when I realized what else he was in.
This guy, 170 credits,
amazing career. What else was he in? Well, what really,
like I say blew my mind was realist. And he was Inspector. It Says Inspector
Longing. Don't look now. And I just. I never clocked it again.
Character actor. Just. Yeah, he was
also in a giallo that's a little weird called Il Mostro.
Il Mostro. Which I think is overdue to get a.
A nice copy. I don't know if that's still stuck in download
bootleg land or not, but it's a good one. Of course. Man who
needs no introduction. Udo Kieran as Dr. Frank Mandel.
I love this guy so much. He's at 280
freaking credits. Unreal. Unreal.
Career dude likes to work.
And yeah, he's great in this. Next up,
what's that? Said he's uncredited in it. That's weird. Yeah, yeah,
he just has a cameo. There's a fun story about his. His one day
of work I'll talk about later. We got Rudolph
Schindler as Professor Milius.
Who was. This guy was in the Exorcist. He played Reagan. He played the little
girl who was possessed. No, the cuckoo clock
lets you know I wasn't serious there. Oh, wait, what again? My mind
has just been blown again. What do you got? Well, yeah, so he's the.
Was he the butler in the Exorcist? I think so,
says Carl. Yeah. Oh, wow. Isn't that cool? Yeah.
But yes, he's the professor of parapsychology that
Susie's gonna ask for some help, as is Dr. Frank Mandel.
But he's a psychiatrist, so he's not as hip with the witches
as he should be. So those are our main characters here. Like I said,
we're gonna go through this plot. We're trying not to get too bogged down
in the plot of this movie because,
folks, we're really hoping you've seen this thing,
but spoilers, just in case. Spoiler warning, just in case.
So the movie opens up with a little once upon
a time. Our narrator, Dario Argento is going
to let us know that this is a fairy tale. And Suzy
Banion is our star. Susie Banion decided
to perfect her ballet studies in the most famous school of dance in Europe.
She chose the celebrated Academy of Fribourg.
One day at nine in the morning, she left Kennedy Airport,
New York and arrived in Germany at 10:40pm local
time. Yeah, I was going to ask you a question because I don't think I've
ever actually watched the Italian version of this. I presume he. Yes. Sort of
like with the end of opera. He does the narration over that. Yep.
Yeah, that is his voice. Cool. He's like, yo,
dog, get ready. He says,
buckle up, campers. So, Simon, one of the
things about this movie that people say I believe incorrectly,
is that the only good parts of the first 15 minutes,
the movie loses it after that. I. We will debate that
when we get to the. How do we feel about this movie? But,
Simon, tell us about this freaking insane
first 15 minutes of this movie. I mean,
yeah, in some ways you could argue it's a bit like, you know, when you
have an album that's like front loaded with like either the singles or the best
tracks. Yep. And seems like it may be sort of,
you know, prematurely shot its load, so to speak.
I mean. Yeah, I get that. And that's kind of somewhat by design, because I
think Argento City wanted to start it the way a lot of films finish,
which I'd say he sort of achieved. And yet the ending,
without getting too far ahead, is more, I think, in its own way,
like equally bombastic, but like in a different way, in a
more sort of traditional sort of horror movie way. Whereas this is more like kind
of a slow creep of. I mean, you get it right from the start,
obviously from the airport and. Oh, that's. I was going to ask you. I've heard
it said by a few people that Daria Nicolode's on one side, Jessica Harper
in the. The airport, but I don't see it, to be honest.
No, I think that might be a rumor that somebody started
or something. Yeah, I've never just kind of stuck about. But really, I mean,
the credits and just the insane buildup of the music and
the screeching violins and the drums and everything, which is just, you know, obviously saying,
you know, we're not fucking around there, people. And you have like the cymbal crash,
whatever, and to the first scene in the airport. But really it sort
of starts, doesn't it, from the first POV shot of Susie's where
we see her sort of looking towards, you know,
heading out of the airport and somebody steps out and, you know, nearly gets blown
away by the fucking wind. And the. The Goblin
music sort of starts tinkling away. It's really from that moment even before she goes
through the doors, which this, you know, it's like so many sinister close
ups of stuff in this. Whether it's like drains
or lights or whatever. And we have the automatic doors. But even before she passes
through them, and as other people said, kind of through the looking glass,
even before then you can just. And you see it's all on her face,
which is just so Expressive. She kind of senses like, whoa,
did somebody just like slip something in my drink that I had,
you know, when I was on the. On the plane. Maybe it's those like the
cigarettes that. In the girl that knew too much
that they had the lady pixel by accident. She's like imbibed one of those.
But yeah, the colors. I mean the audience
should have felt like this, you know, like. Because like the colors are
so exaggerated and so hyper. Yeah. Neon and just
like it's. God, I can't even describe this
properly. It's just that it's just like a complete blast of neon.
Yeah, complete. Like just an earth shaking
event. The intro of this movie just in terms of color alone.
Again, that's even before you get. Get it. Get outside and into the taxi where
obviously he pumps it up to 11 at that point.
Dude. So good. We get the unhelpful
douche cabbie we talked about. He's so
funny. She sang the street.
And then he's like, what? What? And she's like. Shows him the words
and he's like, oh, that. And then he says it the way she said it
with. With a little more German to it.
Yeah, yeah. What a prick. And I didn't realize and
I think maybe they. Because I just thought like S, like E, double S,
E. But somebody on one of the. I think some of
the extras on the sign up release said. Is it escher Strasser?
Like McGo. Say Mc Hammer for a minute.
Hey, say it proper. Oh dear.
Yeah. MC Asher can't touch this because,
you know, you. You're on the stairs that are on the ceiling or something.
You're trying to. That's right. I don't know. That's all I've got. Yeah. We were
talking about MC Hammer before we started, folks. That's what the. Simon and I really.
That's the only thing we really want to talk about.
So. Yeah, she. She ends up at the gaudiest school that's ever existed.
And she. She's getting out and there's this rainstorm and I.
Of all the characters seeing something or hearing
something that they have to slowly work out in their memories in
order to solve a mystery. This is probably my favorite of all of
them. Yeah. Yeah. It's just flash forward
to the end when she finally remembers what the.
The cop from Batman says.
Pat Hingle. When she finally remembers
like what Pat Hingle says. It's like a.
Like a kick in the stomach. And I go like, oh, that's good.
Like, yes, I love that. It's a real when we are getting ahead.
But fuck it, why not? I mean, now it's bookend you kind of. I think
it makes sense to, doesn't it? That is like a sure kind of a chef's
kiss moment in it where the. The penny drops and there's the little lightning
flash and she dramatically spins around to see the iris.
It's just perfect. Oh. Oh, love it. We need it.
She can't get into the school because her future friend won't
let her in the fucking door. She's on the little intercom system, like. Go away.
Go away. Hello? Who is it? Susie Banion.
I just got in from New York. I don't know you. Go away.
But I have the letter you sent. Look, it's really raining hard. You can
just let me in and I'll explain. Go away. Go away. But you don't understand.
And then so she. She leaves. And as she's heading to
a hotel, she sees our. Our pal Pat Hingle running
through the forest.
Totally insane music here, you know, good old Goblin. We'll talk
about Goblin. I. You know, I love Goblin. We'll get to that later.
So we go to the gaudiest apartments that have ever existed.
And this is where we have her hanging out with her roommate or her.
Her friend who also goes to the school. And then she gets attacked
in the gaudiest department ever. And all I could think of is her
waving that lamp, looking out the bathroom window, the glowing eyes.
And you. You can say the phrase, get away from the window, you fucking
dork. Like six times before the. The arm comes through.
And a Sasquatch arm. I love the Sasquatch arm.
You know, it's. It's. It's no black gloved killer, but you could also
just be so hairy that you don't leave fingerprints.
That's the thing. Her murder is insane.
The killer has that Michael Myers overkill from Rob Zombie's Halloween
thing. Or stabs her and stabs her and stabs her. Gets interrupted
by another task and starts to tie her up
with some wire that's on the roof and then
goes back to stabbing her some more. And we get her beautiful
chest cavity opened up. You can see her heart beating. And then
the weird detail of when he stabs the heart. It has like a little
whistle of like, not a sound, but yeah, you can see
the blood. Oh, man, it's freaking steam coming out. Of it or something.
I can't remember. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Yeah. This is. This is
great. This Is great. She falls through the very gaudy
plate glass window. And her pal. Who the. Is that?
Sonia? I forget who your friend is.
I can't remember. She's named. Oh, I guess it must be. Yeah, I mean,
the. Yeah. So, yeah, that's. That's probably who that is.
Sonia. Susanna Javicoli.
Yeah. Yeah. It says. First thing that jumped out says she was in
Body Puzzle as well. Ooh. Now that's a fun
movie right there. I went through a safe sex binge.
It was really stupid. One of my favorite lines
from a giallo. So good. Classic. They both die beautifully.
And then we cut to Ms. Tanner's teeth introducing themselves
to Susie. It's the next morning and Susie's walking in.
She meets Ms. Tanner, and Ms. Tanner is.
All of her dialogue is freaking. Just. It's not even
said. Her. Her. Her dialogue is like,
imagine trying to chew and spit at the same time.
That's kind of how she talks. It's amazing. She meets
Ms. Blank, the. The directoress, or excuse me, the co
directors. I don't know what her job title is. I love how she
basically kind of looks Susie up and down as all kind of sizing
her up or whatever or checking her out, you know. Yeah, sure,
the. The probably. No, I'm sure it is on purpose. In fact, I'm sure I've
heard Argento talk about sort of, you know, the kind
of lesbian stuff going on in this or like,
interesting. Okay. You know, she does sort
of make herself not look too creepy by saying, oh, well,
maybe even more creepy. I'd never say, no, you're pretty. Very pretty. But at least
that, you know, sort of makes. It's like,
yeah, you. You saw what I was doing there sort of thing. I suppose you
could just take it more innocently of just being complimentary
or whatever. But yeah, her looks in this and we'll come to one soon.
In fact, I may as well just mention it now after we have the
sort of exposition catch up about, you know, Pat Hingle's
murder, when Susie's sort of taken away up the stairs
and exchanges a little look, a little flirty glance
with Mark, who's watering the plants and going up the stairs.
She basically interrupts while the Madam Blank is
talking to the police again. And, you know, she's very polite about it. Excuse me,
but my word, Madame Blanc looks so pissed off
about it, it's fucking hilarious. She makes me laugh every time.
I love how boring the cops are. Like, they. The cops in this are
such non. Entities. Yeah, they're like I think about the comedy
police chief and there's his wannabe striker cops.
They want to go on a sit in. Oh yeah, yeah. From Deep Red and
no, no, we don't. No personality for these cops. No, that's it. And I
think they're gone after this only. Yep, that's it.
Bye, coppers. Oh yeah. Madame Blank is apparently
very attached to her nephew, little Jack Horner,
bless his heart. So we get to meet the girls and my favorite. One of
my favorite lines in this frickin movie is
the girl whose name I cannot freaking remember.
She creepily walks up slinking along the
wall and goes, Ms. Tanner, I have something to tell you.
Like, okay, Penelope Laurie or whatever.
Oh, it's so. Oh yeah,
she does. Yeah. I never made that connection. I wish she sounds like him,
but I think it's Polly because sort
of pipes up and this will call into something we
obviously have to mention shortly. Coming up. We all know that people
with the names that start with the letter S are the names of snakes.
But apparently people whose names start with the letter P are the names of parrots.
So it's, you know, Squawk, squawk, Polly Parrot. So. Oh my
God. Yeah. Is that who she is talking about? Yeah, yeah,
I had. I've never connected that. So anyway, no, I haven't told the other
side. So Susie goes in. Susie goes into this stanky ass locker
room with a bunch of dirty women. I'm just joking, folks. I'm sure they smell
delicious. So she's in there with them.
Olga pipes up as soon as the door closes. Squawk,
squawk. Mata Hari has to deliver her report. And I've
never realized that's who she was talking about.
That. That Paulie was a spy. Yeah.
Yeah. That is insane. Thank you, Simon. Oh, no worries.
Making me understand that. And this is, this is where Susie
discovers that everyone in Europe is a money grubbing
dick. They just want to extort her
for money for, for like this apartment and then
these shoes because she can't stay at the school.
Whatever. Oh my God, it's so funny. But then the amazing
line is she makes friends with Sarah immediately. And Olga teases
them because Olga's, you know, Sarah's trying to be nice because
her, she's like, these guys suck.
So we see Olga's part apartment. It's the third
gaudiest thing in this movie. It is terrifying. You know,
you kind of for her really. And now she's
done her hair up into like she looks like a cobra or
Something I can't quite. What in the world is going on with Olga's
hair? I love that. Is that.
Sorry. Sorry to cut you off. I just realized. Meant to say he's kind
of out calling back to talking of snakes and. Sorry.
I share this all the time and there's a lot of stuff from this film
I've got a lot of mileage out of over the years, as you well know.
Yes. But the snakes, there's a gif of it I share every now and again
because it makes me think every time I watch it, you know,
Susie, her reaction arise, darting back and forth, utterly flabbergasted,
mystified, what have you about what the fuck's going on there. That's basically how I
feel reading most online arguments.
The sticking the tongue out battle. Perfect. Oh my
God. Susie.
Sarah. I once read that names
which begin. With the letter S are the
names of snakes.
Yeah. So if you took a nap in Olga's apartment and you woke
up, you would wake up hopelessly
insane. Yeah. From the wallpaper alone.
It's. It's so hideous. Oh, it's so good.
We find out that Mark. From her. We find out that Mark is basically a
slave to Madame Blank and Ms. Tanner because he
doesn't have any money, but really it's because
his pants are too tight. I don't know. I didn't have a joke there.
And. And this is when I say cut to the. Get to the dancing.
Oh, just before that I had somewhat weird the other night. So as I told
you, I was re watching and just for anybody out there who hasn't
seen any of these sort of doing the rounds on Twitter and what have you,
I sort. There's been a lot of. It's been going on for years. I think
it started off with Star wars because of, you know, Lucas so messing with his
films where you'll get like fan edits that are done off, where fans
have basically bought 35 millimeter prints and scan them and color time them
and stuff themselves. Yeah, I've seen a few of these and I've got so weirdly
addicted now to trying to find as many as I can of favorite films
and watch them. So there's, you know, this one out for the Shining
I watched recently. Most probably importantly of all, there's a 4K
scan of a. Of one for Inferno. I say
that because, yes, that film is kind of conspicuous by
his absence on the format at this point because pretty much every Argento
film, like I said, including the Five Days, is out on it now of,
you know, purple patch up to.
I say opera, I guess,
and Suspiria. So I rewatched that
while I was taking notes for this. And I don't know whether it was the.
I guess it's the optical audio track or whatever off
print, but I never noticed this before. So I was watching on headphones
and whether there was some audio up or eccentricity with this
version. But while she's talking to Mark and Olga's on
the phone, I swear I could hear somebody crying or something. It was
really weird and I'd never noticed it before, so I don't know what the.
Was it coming from the phone? Yeah, that's what I thought. While she's talking
to the phone that. Because that makes it even funnier because
Olga's like basically not listening to whoever the.
Is there. Yeah, she's distracted by Susie and by Mark.
Yeah, she's just not even listening. That's hilarious.
That even adds more comedy to her shitty
ass attitude. Totally. Yeah.
Simon, we need to cut the bullshit and get to the dancing. Oh, my God.
Yeah. We finally get to see the male dancers and
their tight buns parading around. We get to see
some. Some actors who definitely are not ballet dancers
pretending to dance. It's cute. Piano player, our pal
Daniel rocking away on the keys. Which is funny because later when
he's performing, it's. He's got a whole orchestra behind him, which is very
interesting. He got like a little record player with him or something, presumably.
I don't see it. But. Yes. No, I couldn't see it either. I did look
and. Yeah. So Susie's going to the dance room to go. To go do some
dancing. And she gets freaking cursed by the cook and our little Jack Horner.
And what is the cook polishing there? It's some kind of
sharp metal decorative piece. I don't think it's supposed to be
a knife. No, no. But it looks like it would
be pretty nasty if you got stabbed with it. Definitely. But we get this
standout moment in the film where she gets cursed
and the light catches the end of this thing
and you have this bright light and the light is so intense that
you can see all the dust in the air. Yeah, it's perfect. It's just absolutely
brilliant. I love the. When that light hits the little detail as well.
It's almost so subtle. You can miss it, especially with that blinding light that Albert
smiles into the lights. Albert, again, creepy smile.
Thank you for mentioning that. Oh my God.
Love it so much. So much. I can't even
like that. You know, people like, you know, this movie's not that great after the
first 15 minutes. Wrong. Yes. Bollocks in
it. Wrong. I mean, that's all the film.
Even what, say again? Said it's bollocks. Said that. But they're talking it,
not the film. Yes, yes,
exactly. Mine are still dropping.
She starts feeling sick. Ms. Tanner's not understanding at
all. These are ballerinas, Aren't they? All like this? Like they're all anemic
and fallen over and hungry. Yeah. Give them a freaking sandwich.
Little details. Because, you know, it's funny, isn't it, when you sit and take notes,
even for film that you've seen, like, probably hundreds of times because you're really
kind of putting it under the microscope sort of consciously that things jump
out you haven't seen. And I swear, like, she's passed out. Her eyelids
are flickering slightly, which comes to this. A thing
that sort of runs through a lot of this that I really like. Kind of
almost like, thematically makes me think of, like,
Nightmare on Elm street as well. This whole importance of,
like, staying awake, basically, and not falling into this
sort of druggie sort of haze or dream or whatever, and remaining
conscious, I suppose. But at that point, yeah, she's fallen under it and it's
like she's in. She's instantly dropped into, like, REM sleep or something.
Just both. I like that how dreamlike the whole
film is as well. I love that. Okay, we cut to her
in her bedroom in this school getting freaking.
Almost waterboarded by the people.
Under the doctor's order. She's supposed to be drinking blood to restore her corpuscles
or whatever, you know, whatever. There's so much medical
tomfoolery here. Pseudoscientific jargon is so dumb.
As Dr. Verdigrass is give. Vertegas is giving his.
His freaking advice. But then Susie makes, like, a recovery super
fast. They move her freaking stuff to the school without
even asking her. So she's now, you know, she's losing her agency
here. She's completely at the whim of this damn school. So I just
realized what you were saying that I was kind of waterboarding myself almost because I
realized it's going to be dehydrated. So it's just downing part
of this bottle of. Not mineral water anymore. It's not tap water, but that's sickle.
Weird timing. Very nice.
She, like, makes an immediate recovery.
She has to eat the chicken she's supposed
to be having. She just have a special diet, so she's not going to go
down to supper with everybody else. While Sarah's talking to her, a bell
goes off and we find out that it's 15 minutes until supper or
0 minutes until maggots. So maggots start pouring through
the ceiling. It is hilariously disgusting.
Fulci would of course up the ante with
his actors. Oh boy. By just blasting maggots
into their face because he's a fucking sadist in City of the
Living Dead, AKA Gates of Hell, bless his heart. But we get
the crunch of the maggots on the floor as they find out it was a
bunch of spoiled food. Which I gotta ask Simon, like,
does this help the witches in some way? Does this this? Or is
this just like hilarious thing where witches don't know how to fucking put food in
a fridge? I mean, it's weird for one thing, you wanted to put it in
the attic where like sort of heat rises. Or are they storing bodies up
there and they're just. This is like a. A sort
of pretense to sort of say, yeah, it was the food, but it does look
like it probably was third. But I. I wonder again if it's
some kind of contrivance to get them all in this room and then to get
Susie into close contact with. With Helena
and Marcus. For what reason? I don't know,
maybe to sort of some psychic link thing to try and increase
influence over. I really don't know. That's exactly what I'm thinking, that maybe
just being around the girls. Yeah. And she's able
to like, like drain their life force or something like that. Yeah. Kind of
like. Kind of like me with my cats,
I hold my cats and I'm like, life force
goes in my face. You know that
stuff. After they spend the night in one of the other beautifully
shot scene of this whole conspiracy.
Sarah is very conspiracy minded about. The director isn't
supposed to be here, but like one time she was here and they're like,
whoa, she was there and she was snoring. And I was like, dude, that's like
the same exact snore, bro. That's a young Keanu
Reeves as Sarah. Wow.
So next day before that. This is a point I've got in my notes that
I will maybe talk about alluded to already me getting
mileage out of this film, particularly for making memes. People say
right now it is probably. And this is. There's many reasons this film's close
to my heart without getting too much yet. But yeah, the amount
of mileage and joy I've got out of making memes. Memes out of it over
the years. It's just realize it makes
me certifiable at this point. And I did one yesterday. I think it's my latest
inspired by this scene in the later one where I've got Susie.
Do you know anything about asmr?
It's very whispery, this bit, isn't it? It is.
It's getting the tingles listening to it. Yes. We're going to talk
about your. Your controversial memes when we get
to the end of our wrap up here. Simon's been poking the
bear, say the least.
So the next day during. During dance, Ms.
Tanner comes freaking barging in. What is her problem?
Simon. And again you wonder if this is some sort of contrivance. We see the
next day we see the cook and. God, I forgot his name.
The little boy. Albert. Albert. Thank you, Prince Albert.
Oh no. Let him out of the cave. Oh no. Just the. The connotations
of Prince Albert as well. I showed. Oh, I know. I tried to
take it to him. I try to take it to a clean place. Let's just
draw a discreet veil over that. So the cook is leading him past
Daniel's dog and we don't see what happens, but we just hear some
barking. Or maybe the dog has just got spooked because, you know,
creep and has bit him. Or this is done on purpose to.
I think it's probably just an accident. And then obviously,
Ms. Tanner loses a shit. Literally goes marching
literally into the yellow room and interrupts
Daniel and the London Philharmonic or whoever he's got behind
the walls supporting him and basically,
you know, slams her hand on the piano and lets everyone know
what's happened. And this just. This whole showdown is just fucking
amazing. Just them like practically, you know, screaming at each
other. Yeah. If. If you wanted
to like criticize this movie for being like,
ridiculous. Yeah. This whole conversation is.
It's. It is evidence of. Yes, this movie's fucking insane. Yeah.
Yeah. How much of this is supposed to be this crazy?
Or is this like Argento just bigger, go bigger, go bigger.
Yeah. Especially we got actors like this to play with
who can certainly do it. Sure. He's never
hurt anyone. The boy must dump down something 21st.
Oh, the poor little animal. The poor little puppy.
If I ever see him within a mile of this school again, I have
him put to death. Stop it. So yes, that night
Sarah is very concerned still with the teacher's living arrangements.
This comes into play later with the, you know,
where the teacher's going at night, of course, Susie is.
We know that she's getting slipped a mickey with her
dinner and, like, disgusting wine she has to
drink. I am not a wine drinker. Me neither. And then later,
when she dumps this wine down the sink, I have to ask Lietta if that's
normal. And Lietta assures me that is not. But we'll get to that. We get
to that. So we go to the German beer garten,
get some traditional German slapping,
dancing with some. Some nice lederhosen.
Now this is Argento's weird thing with
referencing Nazi stuff. So this is a famous
beer garten, one where Hitler had a very. Oh,
yeah, historic thing here. So he was intent on
filming because, you know, they're in Munich and I'm assuming that's, you know,
this is the same beer garden from there, based on what Argento says.
It's just creepy. But, yeah, Daniel's having a pint or two.
I love when he's sort of escorted out as well by the lady who
I'm sure has been asked to. But every. For some reason, every time I watch
it, I just get this vibe of like, she's like, yeah, you've been in here
long enough. Now it's time to move things on. It's time for you to die.
See you later. She's another witch. She's a witch, Simon.
Yeah, it could be. Yeah, she's. She's apparently got him there. She probably slipping him
some drinks as well. Well, but I was trying to see what this square was
on the locations. Oh, it could be this. Yeah,
I guess from the name Conings Platz Max Vorstat,
Munich, Bavaria, Germany. That sounds like it could be.
That's another. Another key location to the World War
II, to the rise of the Reich there.
Wonderful. So in this. In. He goes outside at
night and he's trying to go home, and he gets beset by some
invisible witches flying around, some shadowy figures zipping
around. Oh, yeah. And then he learns a valuable lesson
is stop feeding your dog's throats.
If you buy dog food that
has, like, throats in it, they're going to get a taste for throats and
then they're going to eat your throat in a very inopportune moment.
A tak, Dicky. A tuck. Yes, thank you for that.
That is amazing. I appreciate you bringing up. I love
this dog. It's like he's sitting there chewing on his master's
throat, and these two policemen come running and the dog's
like, okay, I know. I'm in trouble. I know I'm in trouble. I got to
get out of the dog fucking bails. So Susie
goes to talk to Madam Blank and the stupid ass blue iris
is right there. Susie, you idiot, just look to your left a
little bit. More importantly, though, we got a swimming pool scene.
Swimming pool at night. This is Sarah telling Susie
all about Pat Hingle's report on the witches.
And like, I'll give it to you tonight. It's gonna be great. No one's watching
us swim, I swear to God. I love how creepy this scene
is. It's so good. Amazing poolside fashions, by the way.
Yes. Very conservative bathing swim
bale. Probably the strangest, like, bikini I've ever
seen. The, like, it's just fucking weird. It's like
another childlike thing. Yeah, yeah. One of.
One of the things we'll talk about when we start to go through the
trivia here is Argento's initial desire to
make this a film with young kids
away from school, but being told by the producers, like,
yeah, that's going to be expensive. And labor laws and Italian.
He said, labor laws? I don't think so.
Sorry. That's a generalization about the Italian film industry
and not about Italian people. Thank you very much.
So that night, again,
Susie's passing out from her delicious food and
Sarah's trying to tell her about everything
that's going on. And then her freaking notes have disappeared.
Pat Hingle's awesome scribblings have disappeared.
And she asked the greatest question of all time.
Susie, do you know anything about Mark's
tight pants? Think about techno.
Now, this is the. The full color spectrum here. This is
them showing off all of the intense work that
went into the color design of this movie. We have a.
The. The white walls that are now turning green
and red. And then you have the light from the
other room, which is a bluish hue kind of. And I was like, oh,
it's just this phantasmagorical moment where
Sarah realizes she is fucked and she
leaves Susie passed out in her bed and runs away as the. Just as the
door opens from the other. From her room, coming in to.
To Susie's room. The creepiest scene in
the movie for me definitely is this. This unseen
person walking through the room.
Yeah. And just like walking right past Susie
while she's asleep to go after Sarah. Oh, I love
it. Now, Simon, I have a question for you because I wrote down on my
notes. So we see a figure walking down the hallway
going after Sarah. Yeah. And I wrote in my Notes.
Oh, it's Frank N. Furter. So it
looks like if Frank N. Furter had straight hair and had
the collar popped on a cape. Oh, very, very, very beautiful.
Look here. Who the is that supposed to be? I'm guessing from
his hair he's got to be Argento. No, I mean
like in the movie. Oh, in the movie. Sorry. Beg your pardon?
Yeah. It could have been Argento, though. That's a good call. Yeah. I mean,
I know he saw his M.O. wasn't it to do all the sort of the
glove scenes in the movie murder scene. So it would fit, wouldn't it? I really
don't know. I guess just some like. Because he. He comes
out of. I don't know that he goes past the curtain, but he's in that.
You know, the bit towards the end where they've got all the various bits in
Latin and stuff written on the walls. Sort of, you know,
behind the. The blue iris thing. He's walking out from
under that corridor. So whether he's just some, like, assassin that they've got living down
there for, like. Yeah. You know, when they need to dispatch somebody
on the ground rather than sending. As he did. Oh, that was a bit before.
Before Daniel's demise. And I love how they've like, sort of unleashed
something and there's a POV creeping through the school and then like the wind
sort of, you know, just goes out into the night and, you know, we never
think of what it is and, you know, get. Can guess it's.
I don't know, there's some kind of amorphous, like disembodied
witchy magic or something, which. Sure, somebody said it
is almost like witches flying across the facade of that building, isn't it?
But. So I'm kind of rewinding a bit now, but yeah.
So I don't know. Like I said, I think he's just there on ground.
Assassin who lives with the. Lives there
with Pavlos or whatever. You know, bunks with.
Bunks with the. With the butler. I don't know.
Bunks with the butler sounds like a euphemism.
So we get Susie's incredible death scene. She has
this long protracted being chased around
and gets into some crazy shenanigans. The thing
that Blu Ray did for me is I had literally
never seen the figure in black hiding
with the straight razor. Yeah. You see the eyes poking out some dummy,
which. That was never something I could not actually
make out on the 35 millimeter print.
Right. That was kind of lost, but it is Quite
sort of still looks great. But yeah, it's been. Obviously been around
a long time, but. Yeah, obviously on the crazy. Maybe on the DVDs, I don't
know. Oh, no use in the Blu Ray. Sorry. And yeah, especially now with the
4K restoration. Yeah, you can see all that. It's kind of like a. Yeah.
This is a year before Halloween, isn't it? Kind of like a Michael Myers so
moment. It's. It's almost like a throwback to like.
Like a crimmy. Right. A killer in a crime
pulling that get up to hide. But it's also like in deep red
where the killer's hiding in the closet there and all
you see is the eyeball open up. So. Yeah, it's just. Oh, man, it's just
incredible. Absolutely. So she gets chased into a room, an empty room,
and she's locked in there. And the killer's using the straight razor, trying to pick
the lock, which I love. Very, very tense.
Of course, the straight razor looks more like.
Like something you put spackle on for, like patching
a wall. Oh, right. It doesn't look like a straight razor,
silly. Some pins in there as well, aren't there? I think.
Yep. In the case. Very unusual. And then she
falls into the slinky room. It's supposed to be razor
wire. And I just wrote in my notes what a pain in the neck.
Yeah. Pun intended. But I can't imagine filming
this scene. I have a very funny. This can't be
true. This cannot be true. Little quote
from Argento. We'll talk about later about that scene.
After Sarah is killed and, well, you know, and disappeared.
All of her stuff is gone and everything she calls a pal.
Susie calls a pal that she'd speak. Enough.
Is it time to take a break? Used to good friends.
Tonight is kind of special. It wasn't easy
getting tickets for this game. Exactly what I want want.
I want the biggest steak you got in a bottle of low and brown
steak and low and brown. Dolan, you're a genius.
When you want the taste of a truly great beer tonight,
let it be low and brow. Here's to the chef. Here's to
the Brighton.
Okay, so Susie calls up Udo
Kier to talk because the Sarah that said
that was her. Her pal, who is, you know, expert in these
supernatural things. Simon, what's what. Where does Susie
meet up with his bro? So it's at a convention center,
which I think is on psychology and psychiatry or something.
But I'm convinced that it's also a convention on the Occult.
And on exposition as well, apparently.
Given that we get a literal tag team of it with a
sort of. I'm surprised you don't slap each other on the. You know,
on the panda. Whatever they do. And bwe when they're like,
so Udo care's like, yeah, I've gotta go now, catch a train to
do my next movie. That's all they got me for. You finish it, bro.
We do get a pile driver of exposition. Love it.
So this is one of the locations I do remember. I think it's called the
BMW building. I don't know whether it still is. And this is again, in Munich,
which is very striking. And I love this whole scene. I don't know whether
I did from the start because it's kind of an outlier in the restaurant to
the film. And how, for one thing, it's daytime.
But it's completely weird how it's shot like,
you know, the. The low angle shots, particularly when
she's talking to Udo, where it's just them against
the sky and you see the wind whipping the hair and you just get this
sense, you know, again, that we've seen, you know, literally earlier
in the film that, you know, there are kind of bass spirits sort of abroad
or whatever, you know, waiting to sort of cause havoc.
This is like the proto Tenebrae scene. Yeah, totally,
totally. Yeah. Nice. And, yeah, there's.
There's the use of the. The word occult.
Yeah. And the old dubbers back in the 70s called it the
occult. The occult. The occult sciences.
I love that. But, like, was it. What do they call it? He was
a sadist. Yeah. Wow. What a cruel
son of a. He's a sadist. No, no, no. He's just sad.
There's. I'd never noticed this before, and so it's pointed out
one of the commentaries, because we get, well, maybe three Argento commentaries in this.
If we're to assume that the assassin we mentioned is him,
there's one I would have never noticed if somebody hadn't pointed out, you know,
in the taxi scene at the beginning, you can see who we're guessing is probably
Dario's reflection. It's like the bottom half of his. Just his jaw.
Yeah. As they described it, looking like a jack O'LANTERN or something, I would have
never noticed that. But one that I have less so now because it's been
dialed down a bit for the 4K, maybe re timed or whatever and
contrasted, brightness adjusted. But when. I love the shot when,
say the. The tag team slap has happened and now we've got Professor Milius.
Is it talking? Intrigued by his book. By the way, this title, what is it?
Paranoid Magic. The. The last word on the subject, apparently. But I
love the shot that sort of pushes into the reflection behind
them and we see. You can see. I'm guessing it's Dario on the left.
So looking back and forth, checking things. But how it's so. Yeah,
again, speaking of passing through the looking glass. So focuses on the
reflections, which are kind of a bit blurred and refracted. So it's.
Yeah. Something, you know, like all this film, even though it's daytime
now that, you know, like he said himself, I'm going to paraphrase or
what have you. So I can't remember the exact quote, but like he says,
literally, magic is everywhere. Yeah, it's so. It's so good. It's. It's a
weird breather before the. The. The roller coaster of the
rest of the movie happens. The most important scene in the film,
the blue irises. Fuck. The freaking body
hanging from the roof. Fuck. All the shit exploding.
Susie back at the freaking school by
herself. The witches have conspired
so that she's alone in there. They went off to see an
opera or see a ballet performance and left her behind.
Conveniently, the most important moment is when
she decides to dump the food that she's been eating
that's been making her sick down the toilet.
Simon. When that chicken breast hits that toilet,
I fucking laugh so hard every time.
Because poo. Poo. Well, yeah, she's lucky she's not sat down because
she'd be getting this bit of slang I learned before with you
or not about. She'd get a Poseidon's kiss.
I've never heard that before. Yeah. Send. There's a magazine over
here. It's called Vids. It's like a really rude comic. And they had something called
the Profanasaurus, where it was literally just a dictionary of really
rude slang. And that is. That has always stuck with me.
So, yeah, she throws that chicken in the toilet and I lose my
mind. And then she pours the soup and it's disgusting down.
But then she pours the wine down the sink and it's clearly paint.
It's clearly. Or something. Some kind of bad shit
is in that wine. Because Lietta, so expert wine drinker
is like, that ain't right. Yeah. Yeah. It shouldn't stain your hands. And the
sink quite that badly set.
And then we get the glowy eyes. So we've had glowy eyes in the movie
before. But this time it's Lucio Fulci's bat
making a cameo. This thing must be related
to a cat because it has two lives at least, because it comes back
and hilariously comes back as the freaking hair
covered turd with wings. And speaking
of poop in House by the Cemetery,
this bat is so funny. Like, I don't know what it
is with Italian horror and their bats.
Everybody had fake ass bats. Bava, fake ass bat.
Ricardo, Freda, fake ass bat. Freaking Fulci.
Oh, my God, I love it. Anyway, she kills this poor bat just for trying
to kill her. And it's so cute. It gets upside down
on the floor and it's trying to fly up, but it doesn't realize it's
upside down. I think bats are smarter than that. And so it's flapping
and coming towards her upside down, and she kills it.
But then she needs to do a little something special, Simon.
She needs to take some Anton time. I was gonna say, is she 420
blazing it? Because it looks like it's either that or a really loose roll
up and how she's smoking it as well, you know, not the roach clips.
Folks, if you haven't heard our Idle Hands episode, please give
that one a listen. You can hear one of my favorite slang
for marijuana ever, which is single individual doobie.
I say that all the time because I'm an idiot. And yeah, she's smoking a
cigarette because, you know, our pal Sarah. Her pal Sarah
had a nice lighter for her cigarette. So it is probably supposed to be a
cigarette, but as Simon said, very loosely rolled.
You know, could be a lot of dank
cushion there. I don't know. Bless her heart.
And this starts the roller coaster because she finds a little note
that Sarah left for her with the potential directions
and number of steps in order to find where the
witches are hiding. So she goes on a little.
Little walk through the school because, say. When she's leaving,
you know, just because as we've been going through, just the intensity of
the lighting's just ramping up and up. And yeah, at this point,
I don't know whether you had it sort of earlier when it was sort of
starting, you know, when she was being drugged. The first scene
where Sarah sat on a bed and it's kind of
like the drugged wine. It's sort of like bleeding out into.
Even though we're watching both them, it's almost like Susie's POV of like
that drugged wine is sort of starting to sort of paint the wall behind them.
And now at this point, it's just. It's gone. So, like the blues and the
contrast between that and how hellishly intense the red is
before she steps out into that hallway now, it's like fucking
diabolical. Yes. The directions lead her back
to Madame Blanc's office. And of course, this is
where she has the flash of lightning. The literal flash of memory
and lightning, where she remembers that Pat Hengle said
the Joker's doing something and stealing money.
Do you think that flash is like Pat Hingle? She's come back from the dead
and she's flashed to the bat signal somehow through a window we've not seen
in. In that room. Yeah, that's what it is.
So, yeah, she remembers. And she finally turns the freaking iris.
The secret I saw behind the door.
So, Simon, give me. Give me the details on this freaking finale
of this movie, because we are. We are. We can't stop now.
Oh, no. It's kind of apt. I've made the color
connection. But when she's turned the blue Irish, which again,
sounds a bit rude, could just be that
the first thing we see is some blue velvet curtains. And is. It's like.
It is literally like looking at, you know, the opening credits of Blue Velvet.
Yes. You know, it's. I'm sure. So. In fact, I know somebody's done a screenshot
comparison, so it doesn't begs for it, really.
Oh, yes. So, yeah, she's sort of creeping
under here. And now we've seen, you know, there's all sorts
of colors in this, some that are more common than others, and there's a lot
of gold in it as well. I just sort of joked recently about
it, you know, not as being as yellow, which we'll come to that when
we come to that, without trying to open too big a
can of worms. There also being a
Christmas movie now, when we sort of been sort
of half facetious when I said this, because I
think the synapse aside, there was another restoration
done a while back, although I only got the Blu Ray of it in Europe
and there was a bit of controversy about it, and I can kind of see
why about they called it like green spirits, add a
bit of a green tin, and I forgot about that. It was interesting,
though, to sort of compare. And I was watching the restoration stuff on it,
but it seemed like they almost took another more naturalistic approach to it and they
were using all these, like,
photos of the locations at the
time and trying to match. And I thought, well, this is not kind of like
missing the point. You know, especially because how they
want with that. I know it wasn't shot Technicolor, but with the. The dye
transfer thing where they were literally manipulating all the individual
colors. So at any rate, without getting into all that. Yeah,
Synapse, they seem to have nailed it. But at any rate point was that
came out and I watched it one Christmas, I think, around New Year's Eve,
and I got in a habit for a few years of watching Suspiria around Christmas
because as I said, it made me think a bit of like if
you'd fallen inside your Christmas tree really drunk or like even more
intoxicated, you know, and all the lights are sort of
pumped right up or something, so it just seems to fit. And there's lots of
reds, obviously, lots of greens, lots of golds here.
So bring his back. We're actually talking after that
long Tangenital matron.
So, yeah, she's sort of creeping down this corridor and I didn't. There's also.
I don't think it's just Latin, but there's all sorts of occulty sort
of words. Yeah. Blazing down there into the.
You know, before she gets to the inner sanctum and she sees some
curtains with like, I think like little cherubim or whatever
on them, probably more words. It sort of creeps behind them. She's like, yeah,
I'm getting a bit close here before starts hearing
Madame Blank getting pissed off about her that the.
The. What you call it, titular or whatever. Bitch of an
American girl that she is. Yes. Yeah. She starts cursing
her with sickness. She must die. She must die. And Sarah's
like feeling the curse of Sarah. Susie's like feeling the curse
like hitting her. Yeah. It's like. Then they send Pavlos out to get her
and she finds a room filled with
the bird with the disco plumage. Get a nice little
statue there with a very gaudy peacock there and
we get who I call hell of a Marcos. So Helena
Marcos, she's. She's sleeping in the bed and Susie knocks over this.
This bird and a bunch of giant
stone balls that roll across
the floor and bang into the bed and wake up Helena
Marcus, who's very smug. Very, very. An attitude
about her. Definitely. It's kind of stuck up. Yeah. There's getting stuck in the
throat. Helena Marcos is like, you were here,
coming here to kill me, blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, you didn't really do
a good job stopping me, dumbass. Oh, yeah. This is after she discovers Sarah's
body. Sarah is all done
up in some weird. Like the patterns, the way she's been cut
look very interesting. And then she's got these nails
driven into her eyes and she is
dead. She got some in her wrists as well, but they're like big,
obviously. Yeah. Enormous almost. And I wonder
what this is about. Is it this another means of them
trying to control her and sort of bring her back? Yeah, it's. It's some kind
of ritual to make her body controllable because, of course,
Helena Marcos brings her back to kill Susie
for her. And with a great shot of the door
opening and just Sarah's hand coming. Around, it's like growling
on the soundtrack as well. Yeah, yeah, there's a dog growling on the soundtrack
or something like that. It's very reminiscent of the. The doll
scene in Deep Red. The doll, you know,
more of. That's more of a surprise. Totally. But when.
When Sarah kicks the door open finally, it's just like, oh, shit.
Like, oh, man, we're going here. That's when suda.
That is when Susie notices that every time the lightning flashes,
she can actually see this invisible witch in her bed. And she's, of course,
armed with one of the plumages of the crystal bird. And as soon as
the lightning flashes long enough to see the silhouette,
she stabs her and get a nice gnarly looking old wee achievement,
which. That's a reference to Lietta's favorite, the Covenant,
where he says in the movie, I'll make you my wee ash.
How about I make you my weatch?
So, yes, Helena Marcos is dead. Shit starts blowing
up. Literally all kinds of knickknacks and stuff. Furniture starts flying everywhere.
Susie goes back out through the very elaborate witchy
hallway and she sees all of the witch coven is now
bleeding from all over the place. She leaves
the school because it's catching on fire. It explodes and
she's smiling in the rain. One of the greatest shots in all of
horror movie history. Her relief,
she's almost laughing. She's so. She can't
believe she survived this fucking ordeal.
And then what does the title crawl
say? Simon, what is the most important thing that it says? Oh,
iconic moment after iconic moment. It says,
of course, you have been watching a giallo in
quotation marks. Sorry, how to do it.
Oh, my God. So, yes, it says, you are. You've been watching Suspiria.
But Simon made a little meme and
said, you have been watching a Glad.
Oh, it's one of my favorites I've ever
done, if I don't say so myself. Oh, my God,
it makes me laugh. Thank you. I. I didn't thought till now.
I don't know. I can't think of any other films I've seen this in,
but they did it a lot, I think, in sitcoms.
Like one that's jumping to mind weirdly. This is some weird
overlap with this. With the Nazi stuff. It's, I'm sure
at the end of a lower low, probably other stuff. And.
Yeah, keeping up appearances. It says it. Sure. You've been
watching Lo. Yeah. But, yeah, like you said, just this ending.
I mean, I have a few favorite endings
and favorite horror films, but this is just up there for just. It's just so
satisfying from when, you know, everything's already exploded.
And. My God, poor Jessica. Yeah. Like running through this,
like, health and safety nightmare of everything.
And I never seen any, you know, despite looking
how they sort of rigged all of this, you know, with cables or wires,
whether it's making things explode or pulling chairs or ripping parts
of the wallpaper off and trees through windows, you name it.
But, yeah, she. It's almost like she's kind of supernaturally aided at
this point as well, you know, like with the doors sort of blowing out,
you know, it's not quite. Without getting into potential spoilers for anybody
who's not seen new Spiria, but how that goes of, you know,
and the revelation of what's happened there. But it is almost like you
kind of know, I don't want to be too explicit that that kind of
shift of power. Something has happened now, or she's,
you know, there's some. There's some good witch looking after and helping get her
out there, and I like that. Yeah. No, I'd literally
only just thought about it now. Thanks. Yeah. So she gets outside and as
I think I've said before, not. Not quite a meme, but a little joke,
whatever. I've shared a few times. I'm convinced this is the best.
Most ideal way to wash your hair is after defeating a coven of witches
and set the building alight, is to go out into the pissing rain
and just have it, you know, there you go. Wash your luscious looks.
And, yeah, so she sort of walks off, like, say,
laughing, smiling. But yeah, the moment where the
you have been watching Suspiria card comes up, the window explodes
and the Goblin. It's not just the Goblin theme, but that probably
my favorite moment of it, where it kind of goes to a bridge or something
and there's like a drum roll and the bass really kicks in. It's just so
fucking satisfying. And again, like a total Chef's Kiss
moment to just top the movie. Oh, my God. Totally agree,
Totally agree with you there. So some crew,
some. Some very important crew members here. We'll talk about this a little bit.
Of course. Dario Gento directed this thing controversially.
He wrote this with. Let's see, what does
it say here? So it's him and Daria Nicolode, his partner
at the time, you know, the wonderful Daria Nicolode.
And they credit Thomas de Quincey, who wrote
the. Was he the Confessions of an Opium Meter guy?
Yeah, it's. It's. Yes. And it's. I think I have it
somewhere. A friend of mine who studied English literature, he gave his
copied to me and I've tried reading. I think I've read the bit specifically on
the Three Mothers years ago, which is in. I think it's a sequel to the
Confessions called Suspiria de Profundus. And there's a bit in
it, I think it's Levana and Our Ladies of Sorrow,
where they talk, you know, these really amazing sort of
poetic descriptions of the Three Mothers, which are all just
like. I guess these are more like Opium, Fever Dreams or something,
right? Mater Suspirium, Mater Tenebrum.
Excuse me, Mater Tenenbrarum and Mater
Lacrimarum are Ladies of Sorrow. Yeah.
The controversy, of course, is that being an auteur,
which is. I don't know if you guys know about auteur theory,
that is code for director being a dick.
Where, you know, Argento, you know, being the auteur
believer in that theory, he is. He tried to take credit for
a lot of things that people helped him do. And unfortunately
for Daria Nicolode, he kind of like adopted her
story, which was. Her grandmother had attended
a school, a boarding school, when she was young,
and apparently there was a coven of witches that were there and
the place burned down mysteriously. I have
a cool story. I'll come up later. I'll talk more about Daria Nicolode's
involvement in the film. But there's another person that he
talks about that is not credited, but he talked about him in
his autobiography called Fear.
And the other person he called him, his writing
buddy is Nani Ballastrini.
Right. He's a poet, revolutionary thinker,
very kind of a character in his time. He was
one of the co writers on the Five Days, the Argento historical comedy
drama movie that he made, which I also still haven't seen Five
Days in Milan. So, yeah, those are the writers.
And I'll talk a little bit more about the controversy there.
I really want to talk about good old Luciano Tivoli,
cinematographer of this bad boy. So Luigi,
I'm going to butcher his name. Luigi Cuvelier.
Cuvier, I don't know. He's the one who shot Deep Red, I think.
And in talks with him about Suspiria, Luigi was like,
dude, I. I don't think I can do this right. Maybe he wasn't interested
or maybe he just was like, I'm out. So he
approached Argento, approached Luciano Tivoli,
and they talked about it. And Tivoli got the gig
by making some witchy footage with
some. Some different colored gels and stuff like that. And Argento,
according to Tivoli, was so impressed, but by
this footage that he actually got up and touched the screen.
Nice. And was like, yeah, this is what I want. And he actually told
him, according to Tivoli, he said, I want this. But dreamier
and totally said, okay, I can do that. Now the
weird thing is now I'm sure Simon, without getting too technical,
because Tivoli goes into a lot of detail in Profundo
Argento written by Alan Jones,
which I have some opinions about that book I'll share later,
but he's talking to Tivoli and Tivoli is going like deep into the
lighting and the methods and everything. And he really doubles down. This Technicolor
thing. Yeah, this three strip color process.
There's a great video by Vox about why
the wizard of Oz looks the way it looks and they break down the
three color Technicolor process.
Very interesting. But yeah, he talks about it as though
they use this Kodak film, but the Technicolor process.
And then Argento also talks about it, but then I've heard they didn't
use this Technicolor process. Process. I think there's been a bit of confusion
about it, of it's not. Let's see what it.
I mean, I'm not going to take this as gospel, what it says. You know,
there's a technical specs thing on, on IMDb
now it does say the lab was Technicolor in Rome.
And it's my understanding that I think this was the
last film where they processed in this old three strip
fashion before they. They had basically shut up shop there.
But the cameras, this is, as I think was typical for these Italian
films, were Technovision. Okay. Which I
think was like a cheaper version of God, what do you call it?
Like they sort of anamorphic Widescreen because they use like sort of.
I think they'd use like half the negative or something. I can be wrong.
I'm not super well up on all the technical minutiae of it, but yeah,
I'm pretty sure I'm right on the. The lab stuff versus the, the cameras.
Anyway, because one of the things with Technicolor is you apparently
you had to crank up the lights. Like, yeah, lights had to be maximum lighting.
So insane lights. And they mentioned using that, but who knows?
I'm not good with the. Obviously I don't know lenses
and cameras and stuff for filmmaking, but I just found it funny that,
you know, I was literally told under no uncertain terms that this was Technicolor.
This was made in the old Technicolor process. This is the last film that was
made with that process. And then like years later, like, no,
it wasn't, wasn't. It wasn't made that way. And I'm like, I don't
care anymore. You can get like all
of you, you're not careful sort of to bogged down in these things. And it
is interesting. Yeah, you want. Yeah. Oh, right, yeah, there's a.
And there's actually a PDF of this. I thought I'd heard something about
this. I thought it was American Cinematographer. It might not
be, but I just found a PDF where they've got Tivoli talking to
somebody called David E. Williams and the article is called
Terror in Technicolor, which I'm guessing that being
cinematographers is probably going to get fairly technical about it.
And it goes up. Let me see.
Yeah, he's talking about all the various lenses and stuff. Design.
Oh, it's just scamming it. Scanning here by one design by a French
astronomer or something, which is what I mean. It's probably gonna sound
now like we're being not. Not half arsed with our research or whatever,
but as I said to you before recording, we could really spend like a year
because it's an intimidating film to talk about, really.
Yeah, I totally agree. We could spend like a
year researching this and trying to go into all the ins and outs.
But if I haven't said already, you know, we're partly not doing that
because a lot of it's been said and is on record already. But yeah,
that's there. Yeah, it's in February 2010 issue of
American Cinematographer and if you search for it, I've just found a PDF of it.
It's about 10 pages long. There's some behind the scenes photos
and stuff. I've not seen before as well. Nice. So Tivoli would
go on to film Tenebrae and he would
go on to film something I'm very curious about called Fraccia
vs. Dracula. It's a nineteen nineteen eighty five
comedy horror film that looks pretty rough.
Like, it looks beautifully shot because Tivoli shot it.
But also it looks rough as in, you know, sometimes humor doesn't
translate very well between different cultures. And of
course, a movie that I think, you know, what we should do, because we've never
done a real commentary track.
I think. Hello, this is the Doom Show's Richard and Simon.
Need to do a commentary track on Tivoli's real masterpiece,
Dracula 3D from 2012.
I think we should do it for that. We should just do an audio commentary
on that. Just start the movie. Just record whatever we say. That might be fun.
I've only seen it once, years ago, so go
for it with like. No, sorry, I've seen it
twice. I just remembered I've seen it twice. And the. The.
The train station that looked so hideous the first
time, it looks absolutely worse the second viewing.
The virtual train station is one of the most. Probably the
absolute bottom of the barrel. This is what happened to the Italian
film industry. Watch this train sequence.
Brutal. How the mighty of forum. But we look
forward to revisiting it. I'm sure I'm gonna. I do remember enjoying it,
you know, sort of for all the reasons, I'm sure. But it's got.
It's got good stuff in it. I promise you. There's some cool moments in
it. It's just, you know, let's just say we're
all very happy that that wasn't the last film that Argento
made. Oh, boy. Yeah. And have. Yeah. Because dark. Dark Glasses is
a. It's like a different person made it.
It's so much better than.
Yeah. Dracula 3D. You wonder what happened. There's some theories
of. I don't know. I think that was after he'd done that
Gaspin Noe film that he'd acted in. I've not seen yet. Yeah,
he did say that gave him a new appreciation for.
For working with actors. So maybe that was a book shot in the arm for
in some ways doing that. I don't know. And I think he collaborated with people
more on dark glasses as well. As far as the writer,
his writing partner, I think made that movie more
of a return to help them make it more of a return to form.
But enough about that. Yeah, fair enough. I want
to talk about a Secret person here who's a wonderful,
wonderful human being. Well, actually, I don't know, maybe he's a
dick. I don't know. Giuseppe Bassan, he is the production designer
on this movie. And I've been trying not to,
you know, never mention production designers, those sad,
underappreciated roles that I. I am guilty to of not
thinking about until very recently. But he worked
on Deep Red. He worked on the Five
Days Satanic from 1968,
which is very fun. Production designer on Cannibal,
Ferox. Oh boy. And Tenebrae
as well. So, yeah, it was very important person who helped make
this movie look the way it looks the scene as well. She says,
you know, where they do this down, they wear depending on the class as a
production designer or a art director. It's disappeared now.
Oh, and yeah, art director on Inferno, definitely. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. That makes total sense. Of course. Too cool.
Too cool. But yeah, I love it. And of course the
big part of this movie is Goblin, the band,
which I love Goblin. They're so wonderful. Oh, same. Let's talk
about, you know, them. I was doing a bit of another
deep dive into listen to their stuff again recently and I did think to myself,
it's like, if I had to pick a favorite band, would I pick Goblin?
In some ways I really don't. Sure. You know, especially talking in
that, you know, with actual not getting into like electric. Well, I know they do
dip into electronic and all of that, but you know what I mean, More tradition.
Yeah. Although, as I'm sure you'll get into, there's some quite non traditional
or unusual ones used in this. Exactly. Yeah.
So it's Claudio Simonetti, Massimo Morante,
Fabio Pignatelli and Agostino Marangolo.
That's the members of Goblin at this time. Funny story about them is
that they'd broken up. Dario Nicolodi says she turned Dario
on to their music for Deep Red
and he heard them, was like, whoa, you guys are gonna come in and you
know, he was unhappy with Gaslini,
the composer, Giorgio Gasolini, I think he was unhappy with his music for
Deep Red and so he's gonna have them perform the music
that he'd written. Yeah. And after some.
Some takes they like, he's like, nah, fuck it, do whatever you want.
Yeah. For this thriller, for this giallo. And they were
like, okay. So they just did whatever they wanted
and just did their crazy, you know, Emerson,
Lincoln, Palmer style freakouts and all kinds
of wild progressive rock tangents and whatnot.
And Argento loved it. And then they broke up because they
were kind of like, meh, let's just break up. We're done.
And then Deep Red was a huge hit and the record of
the soundtrack was such a huge hit that they basically were like, whoa, we better
get back together. Together. Yeah. Wow. I didn't realize it broken
up that early. So I know they've had a bit tumultuous history. They were originally
called Cherry five. I think their original name was Cherry five.
And I don't know if the lineup was the same, but they'd done a record
that's actually really fun. And then they changed their name to Goblin. I don't.
The details around that are very long and not that interesting how
they got the name Goblin. But then they reunited and started
touring and they did a record called Record Roller, which is really good.
Superb progressive rock funk. There's a lot of funk
on that record too, definitely, if I recall correctly. But yeah,
when Argento offered them this, they're like, all right, we have a dis.
We. They had a distinctive idea of what they wanted
to do to make creepy music for the movie. And they
did that and made a bunch of demos. And only
one of the demos was really like what Argento wanted.
And that was what was used to creep everybody out
on set. Because that was one of the things that they had this piece of
music that Goblin had made and they would play to get the actors in the
mood to be scared. That did not end up on the record,
on the soundtrack. That piece of music got reworked. I can't find anything
more other than they say it's not the same.
Right. What ended up in the soundtrack is different than this piece.
I'm dying to hear it. The seller is a bit of a mystery about what
it's about, but it's not because there are. Was sharing you with you recently.
Wasn't. There's a few tracks on the. The record that are obviously not in
the actual film itself. Yeah. Yeah. So as
far as trivia goes, folks,
buckle up. I've got probably too much.
Simon. I'm sorry. This is. This is going to be crazy. No, go for
it. As mentioned before, I read reread the
Suspiria parts of Alan Jones's Profundo Argento
and I just want to say Alan Jones is fine. I don't
dislike him on commentary tracks. I don't like his attitude.
In this book. He's a man on
the scene. I cannot question that he does.
In the 80s he did set visits. He was like the British
guy who was going to come visit the set,
write a hype piece and tell people in England what
Argento is up to for magazines and stuff. And then
you read these interviews and set visits. And then next to
that in the book is the review of the movie. And I will give him
credit. He does not shy away from being critical at all.
Yeah. He will straight up say something like,
trauma just sucks. And he'll point out why it
sucks intelligently. He's not just an asshole.
It's just. It's just like one of those things where I just so deeply disagree
with his opinions on these things. Yeah, I do take issue
with him being a little too honest. Like he
talks about interviewing Dario nickelodeon in the 90s. God damn my voice.
Okay, Excuse me, I had too much of
that freaking Suspiria wine coat in my
throat. He interviewed Daria nickelodeon in the 90s, and he couldn't
help but point out how she'd lost her looks.
I'm like, dude, shut your fucking mouth. Like, no offense,
but don't. It can be. Say something vague
like the glory days are behind you. He was like, really specific about
why she looked the way she looked. I'm like, no, dude,
stop, shush.
All I know is I wouldn't have written that down.
Yeah, if you can't say anything nice, right? So another source
I used is Dario Argento himself for his autobiography called Fear,
which is pretty good. Again, it drives me frickin
nuts because it doesn't have nearly enough about his later career.
He doesn't go into detail. He's old. Yeah, 6,000 years
old now, you know? And it's like one of those things where it's like,
could you just talk about opera some more?
Could you just talk about phenomena some more? And maybe it's because there's so many
making of things that have happened that he doesn't feel
necessary or he's not interested in that because, you know, it's.
Or I don't know, who knows? But he doesn't go into detail in any of
that shit. So that the book loses me a little, but I do
recommend it. And last but not least, the bible of
hello, this is the Doomed show, whether we like it or not.
Spaghetti Nightmares by Luca M.
Palmerini and Gaetano Mistretta.
This is the book with all those interviews which are great,
especially since people were pretty catty.
Umberto Lenzi and, you know, being a little shitty in
the book. I love it.
But yeah. The only thing about that book, folks, if you can find
A copy of it on archive or even find a paper copy of it.
God help you there. Skip the reviews in the back
until you've seen the film because every single giallo
is spoiled in the back. I don't know what they were thinking. Revealing the
killer's identities and shit in the back of the book is ridiculous.
Anyway, we'll start with that one. The interview with Stefania Cassini is
very sweet. I love it. She was so enamored with Argento.
She loved working with him. According to her
controversy, Daria Nicolode was going to play Sarah.
She was gonna play Susie, but the producers
said to Argento, no, you need an American star
to get the American market. And he told Daria,
sorry, no, you can play Sarah, the best
friend. And Cassini
Stefania, she says that Daria Nicolode
injured her ankle during a dance sequence and
that she was a last minute replacement. This is
a complete bullshit. Especially according
to Daria Nicolode. That's complete bullshit. She was so offended
that Argento wouldn't let her play Susie,
that that was it. Yeah, that was a big problem
in their relationship. One of the first big, like, blowouts they had of
many, apparently. But I do want to look this up, Simon,
because I. I don't mean to be ageist. Okay, not trying
to be ageist at all here, but how old?
Because you know, the thing about Jessica Harper is that she looks young.
Yeah. In the movie. But let's do. I'll do a little math here.
I think she was in a mid to
late 20s. I want to say about 27. 28, maybe.
27. Yeah. So, yeah, it looks like 28. Oh my God. They're the
same age. Oh, Argento, you up,
homie?
Oh, man. So, yeah, they broke up. They broke up for like a year
while he was making. After they wrote Suspiria and the pre
production phase, they like, she like left him for like a year while he
was making Suspiria because that's how pissed off she was. Okay,
So I was gonna say maybe the age. I was wrong.
I was wrong. I love it. So Cassini, she had a train with a dancing
coach because she hadn't danced like any ballet since she was a little kid.
And she said it was fine, but she, she said, thankfully I didn't have to
do much dancing on the movie. She loved working with
Argento, as I said. She said the maggots were the worst part.
The maggot scene was absolutely worse. She has visceral memories of the crunching
magnet maggots under their feet when they brought in the maggots,
vats of maggots that were very disgusting
and stinky. Then she fell through the glass and her.
Her death scene. And she basically
was saying, like, she didn't know that was going to happen or she didn't understand.
And so when she crashes through that glass, she was truly terrified.
That is real terror, because she thought she was really going to get hurt,
even though it was, you know, safety glass or whatever. Now, here's the
funny story. The wire room, she said, was horrible shooting
that scene sucked. But Argento said that she didn't
know she was gonna jump down into the wire
and that she was a really good sport and just. Just did the scene the
way she was supposed to. And I'm like, no, that doesn't
make any sense. That she wouldn't know that she was gonna jump into
that wire. That is. That don't make no sense.
And she said the scariest part of all this was running around blindly
with a knife with the. The prosthetics on her eyes.
Oh, God. Yeah. She was so scared. It's like something saints
contact lens, slight appliances or something. I'm not sure.
Yeah, she thought, she's gonna fall on the knife.
Poor thing. Last from her, she stayed friends with Jessica
Harper through the years. She said Alida Valli is awesome
and like a very kind, motherly character.
And then we have Dara Nicolode. She says she doubles
down and she never wanted to play Sarah. She was the one
who suggested. According to her, she's the one who suggested to Argento
to look into the fantasy genre for inspiration when he was sick of
making giallo movies. She talks about the tale
of her grandmother, the story of her grandmother, and that she
was horrified to hear Argento through the years say
that was his grandmother who experienced that. She never forgave him for
doing that. And I wouldn't, because it's just stupid.
I think. You know what I mean? I heard one source, I don't know whether
it was correct or not, of him even saying that she sort of fabricated the
story. But there's this. They depending what day
that you. Especially Argento, because Dario Nicolode sounds a bit
more straight up where Argento, I'm sure he said different things depending on the day
of the week. Yeah, he does credit her for a lot
in his autobiography, in his defense. But, you know, he was.
He's a character, so who knows? Especially in the 80s when he was a
little full of himself, bless his heart. The leather jacket Come on.
They visited the. This is crazy. So they visited while they're touring
Europe, talking to real and fake witches, talking to
all kinds of people who had seen or knew stories about witches and just really
fascinating their research. Like, that's a road trip I'm very
curious about. They went to the actual academy
that her grandmother said was run by a coven, and it had burned down mysteriously,
but had been rebuilt as a new school. Like a concrete.
Like, blah. You know, like probably some hideous
brutalist 1970s architecture or whatever.
And while they were there, they were trying to get into the school to,
like, look around, and they were refused access. And as they were
leaving, a woman called her by her name, called Daria
by her name. She'd never seen this woman before in her life. She described
her as a tall woman with a cane that had a.
What looked like a doorknob, as the. The head. The. The.
We call it the. The end of the staff or whatever.
I don't know what you call those on a cane, but it looked like.
Kind of like a silver doorknob. Yeah. And she fucking asked her
about her grandmother. Like, hey, I remember your grandmother.
And they were both freaked out by this. We're like,
bye. Damn. That's the story she tells. And I love
it. I mean, I. I love it. True or not.
Well, yeah, I mean, whether it's. It's. The whole thing, isn't this sort of print,
the legend and all of that? Don't. But the
one thing I did hear her say about. About this whole
thing in the. I think it's on the old Anchor Bay DVD documentary,
was that she wouldn't name the school explicitly
because it might still be dangerous. Yeah. You know, I can.
Yeah, why not? I can believe it. You know, this. Well,
same interview. Same interview. She talks about knowing who
the monster of Florence is. Oh, my word. And that she was going
to make a movie about it. Yeah. Based on her theories of
who it was. And they started, her and her writing partner, a friend of hers,
they started getting threatening phone calls. So, yeah, Daria,
Nickelodeon, man. She's. She's. Her belief in
the occult. Excuse me. The occult. She was.
She was very much in tune with the spiritual world.
That's something that, you know, Dario was like, I didn't know about magic
and here until I met her. Yeah, it was. I mean,
this is really like, in so many ways, isn't it? Just like kind of a.
Kind of a game changer for him and. Well, you know,
for all of us, really. But in terms of her influence and
how it started, this sort of. I mean, you always had to sort of almost
like kind of call it, for one of a better word, feminist sort of aspects
to his films. Like, you get a lot of it in suppose, appropriately enough,
given assumingly, her influence again in Deep Red.
But, yeah, definitely. So from this. And then you see his. The.
The female characters in his films from here onwards.
But he. Yeah, he doesn't mince his words about the. The occult
stuff either, of saying, you know, this is no laughing matter. This, you know,
this stuff's real. He's pretty, you know,
unambiguous about it. Yep, yep, yep. Continuing on
to my other source, the Alan Jones book here.
So, yes, he talks about how Deep Red was a huge
hit and inside and outside of Italy is, you know, much like
Bird of the Crystal Plumage. It had a big crossover effect.
So, you know, Argento's father and his brother,
who are both producers on this film, kind of were like,
all right, dude, we kind of have a blank check here. Let's do it.
Of course, Argento did push it to the limit with this.
Whatever special process that the film was processed in.
I couldn't think of another word than process there. You know, the process. The film
process. He's like, yeah, but never make another movie with
that again because you'll bankrupt us. Like, don't do that again.
He did want the film to be about younger girls. I told you
about the producer saying, that's expensive. Don't do it.
So the door handles were raised higher and there's a lot of,
like, little things, little tricks they do to make these girls seem younger,
like being really silly and goofy characters.
We talked about Confessions of an Opium Eater
and the sequel novel. Snow White was a huge
influence on this. Argento is going to talk about that in a little bit in
my. He loves. He loves Snow White, the Seven Dwarves.
That was one of the big movies he saw as a kid. The film
itself was shot for 16 weeks in Munich
and West Bavaria. And, of course, some Italian studio
stuff. This is all during the summer and fall of 1976.
So they wrapped up in July, the end of July,
right before my birthday. Thanks, guys. I was a.
I was an August baby. Argento talks about Udo Kier.
He was only on set for one day. It was his day off.
He was working with Fastbinder and, oh, boy.
When Fassbinder found out that he
used his day off to go work with another director, he was pissed and
gave him about it. But of course, you know, that's Fastbinder is very interesting
character. Udo Kier did not
speak. He spoke very little to no English
at the time. There was a man sitting off camera saying
the English dialogue one sentence at a time. And Udo Kier would
repeat it as best he could. He had no idea what he was saying.
20th Century Fox didn't want to release Suspiria because they
thought it was going to be a big flop and an embarrassment
to their company. So they defaulted to their international classics
label, which was where that was like their dumping ground.
More from Alan Jones here. Jessica Harper said the
airport scene was very unpleasant because they had
to film so much in the rain and she had to get so soaked they
actually had what she calls plastic undergarments under
her clothes. I'm guessing like a wetsuit to keep her from getting pneumonia.
She probably was lucky. Very lucky.
She said spending 11 hours with maggots in her hair was not great.
Argento was very good with her, very respectful. He was
just a whirlwind, like everybody says. He was just a
master of directing somebody. I forget who
I was. My brain was mush at this point.
Somebody talked about Argento not comfortable
with the writing process. The writing process is agony to him.
He's not confident. His real mastery is in
directing. So, you know, he's just driven.
Jessica Harper loved working with Joan Bennett. She couldn't believe it. It was like a
dream. Joan Bennett just kept to herself, but was just the.
The epitome of classy old Hollywood. I have a little bit more
about her in a moment. That's it from Alan Jones.
Last but not least, of course, Dari Argento in his own words
from Fear. When they went on the road trip, they were traveling between
the border areas of Switzerland, Germany and France.
While they're collecting their testimonies of
presumed witches and necromancers. This is like
magic triangle that I hear them mention, I think, where they saw the country
intersect and they wanted. To read works about. Read works
of proclaimed alchemists, too. So they
read a lot of old texts and stuff like that. Maybe where they got a
lot of the words and the phrases that are all over
the walls and the witches inner
circle, their inner sanctum there, the three witches,
the three matters, those three ladies of the
sorrow, that they have their homes in the city of
Freiburg, New York and Rome. So there's
your three films, the three settings of the three films right there.
It said that they influenced the destiny of humanity in perverse
ways. So Dario said. This is
the quote from the book. I was Chasing the idea of a
gothic nightmare that paid homage to the visual power of German
Expressionism. Yeah, I mean that bit I've
neglected to mention in the same web, don't they.
The hall up with all the bed sheets and it's kind of hellish red
where we see Helen Marcus come in. That is. That could almost be something out
of like Nosferatu or something. Yeah, big. Good call.
Yeah, Nosferatu. Cabinet of Caligari. Of the
cabinet of Dr. Kill me in my
eyes. The cabinet of Dr. Cal.
He wanted someone like Jane Russell to play Madame Blank.
But Jane Russell, you know her, she was kind of past it. Wasn't really ready
to get back in front of the camera. They discovered that Joan Bennett
was available. He's very excited to have her. You know this
classic noir lady. Joan Bennett straight
up told him, according to Argento, she straight up told him, hey,
I have a drinking problem. Is that gonna be a problem? I like. I like
a little tipple, so it's fine. He tried to
grill her, their first meeting about her scandalous past.
So she, her lover was nearly murdered by
her husband when he discovered them together. But the guy survived
this huge scandal at the time. Forget about it. And yeah, she was.
Wasn't she involved with somebody
in Expressionism? Wasn't she
married to Fritz Lang? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That all
that shit was crazy. And this is weird because. Sorry, like his
muse or something. I've forgotten about all this. I'm sure that somebody, possibly a
leader, Valley, had some similar stuff happen. Really could be
wrong. Yeah. Aha. Yeah. Right. So sorry. This is from Wikipedia.
So Valley says she married Italian film director Giancarlo
Zagni in the early 60s of Orsing in 1970. There's a
movie career suffered in 1953 from a scandal surrounding the death of
Wilma Montesi, whose body was found on a public beach near
Austria. Prolonged investigations resulted involving allegations
of drug and sex orgies in Roman society. Among the accused,
all of whom were acquitted, leaving the case unsolved, was Valli's lover,
jazz musician Pierre Picchioni, son of Italian
Minister of Foreign Affairs. Oh, Jesus. And this is cited
from the Times. Times record of March
1954. That's incredible. Yeah.
Thank you for catching that. I would have missed that. Oh, no worries. So,
yeah, those Hollywood elite, man.
Little bit of fun trivia. Sad, but fun trivia.
Helena Marcos, the lady who they picked to play her, she was a
94 year old woman they found in a hospice outside of Rome.
So she was like very fragile old woman.
And apparently she was very charming and she had no idea
how movies were made. And so she had tons of questions about the cameras
and the lighting. And she's so confused and. But like in a good way.
And then she was telling everybody her life
story. He said she charmed everyone.
Jessica Harper said she was an old hooker. That part of her stories
was that she was an old sex worker. That's so cute.
Sex work is work, y'all. Even 90 friggin years
ago. Yeah. When you're like 90 something, you just don't give a fuck anymore,
do you? Just like, dude, why would you. But yeah, so funny.
Then you think about that poor lady having all that makeup on. Yeah. Speaking of
Goblin and the. The weird instruments that they used.
So a bouzouki, B O U Z O U K
I is a. Is a type of weird guitar shaped
object that Argento owned one. He said that he loved
its gloomy sound and he gave that to Goblin
and said, hey, work this into the soundtrack because this is. This is important.
And so they did. So that strange,
jangly like nightmare guitar sound you hear a
lot of times is a bazooki. Yeah. Yeah.
It did not shoot grenades out of it or missiles.
Sorry. Okay, last bit from Argento. A lot of bad luck
surrounding the production. They said somebody on the production hinted that
maybe it was a cursed production because they're trying to do something about witches.
Some unexplained incidents. Cameras jamming,
Argento and somebody else, I forget who were
narrowly blown up.
They just missed being blown up by a Red army bomb attack.
They were cruising around Munich and went to a cafe
or something like that. And then they saw a bunch of cool cars for sale
in a car dealership across the street. They went across the street to check
out the cars. Boom. Huge explosion. As the Red army
planted a bomb and nearly killed them.
So they've narrowly missed being blown up. Which unfortunately,
as folks who know about the history of the Halloween
franchise, Mustafa Akkad was not so lucky and was
actually killed in a bomb attack in Israel. I believe
it's in Israel. I don't think I actually knew that. That's crazy. Maybe he was
in Jordan. I forget. He was somewhere in the Middle east and
got gotten. It was very, very sad. He and his daughter. Yeah.
Very scary. That's it for my trivia, man. I have
a couple of other little things, but that's the. I'm really glad. That's all my
trivia. Wow. Yeah. No, thank you for indulging me,
ladies and gentlemen. No, not at all. Yeah, no, it's all, we're all, we're all,
we're all learning here. It's. Yeah. There's just so
much to know about all of this. As I said to you before for.
Because a lot of it's been dead before. The exterior of the dance
academy, this was a place in Freiburg called
the House zum Walfish.
Apologies to Martin Luther Presley. If you're listening to all this mispronunciation.
Esrstrasso Escher Strasure. Exactly.
Yeah. The. The Whale House, a landmark
late Gothic building where they basically. They reconstruct.
Constructed the, the facade of it on the, on a studio
lot in Rome, which is just amazing. And I looked into
this person who. We see this quite prominently quite a number of times, including over
the end credits. Was it Erasmus of Rotterdam
who was said to have stayed there? Who was
a Dutch Christian humanist, Catholic priest and theologian and
lots of other things. And to quote Garth Marengi probably,
plus actor as well, who was, to say the least
in one of these like hugely influential
renaissance. But I just hooked up a few quotes from him and
there's just so much to go out. But I think he's one
of the people, I don't know whether he originated it. That said,
in the country of the blind, the one eyed man is king among many other
things. Nice, nice. I love that.
One thing I didn't point out that when Susie is approaching the.
The school during the daytime. Yeah. The.
The sun is. The rising sun is coming up there and
the shadow from the big facade. Yeah. Of the front
looks like a face. Oh yeah, it looks like, like a face, but like wearing
a top hat. So you know that famous folklore of
witches wearing top hats. I know you've heard of that.
It says. And I will be quite honest, a lot of
my trivia is just. Is off IMDb and is always
taken with a pinch of salt. It says here Darry was so low, after completing
the film, he contemplated suicide.
Yeah. Which. Yeah. You alluded to him maybe
between this and Tenebrae or whatever, sort of going off the rails a bit.
Yeah. It's. There's a point where he was
very depressed and was talking to it about a friend and his
friend told him, well, if you know, move your dresser
or your, your armoire, what have you in front of the window.
Because, you know, Argento talked about throwing himself out the window. Yeah. And he
said move your. Move your dresser in front of the window. Because most suicides,
it's a very impulsive act. And if you Give yourself
this challenge. Yeah. You know, your lowest
moment, you might not go through with it. And sure enough, Argento said that actually
saved his life. And yeah, he talks about it very openly.
He was extremely, extremely depressed and he just. Nothing was
worth. Nothing was worth going on for.
I mean, very sad. We know obviously they. That they relationship trouble
with Daria. But I wonder as well, just after making this film, you know,
which obviously was hugely ambitious with the other bit of kind of imposter syndrome
sort of kicked in, you know, wearing so. Right. Doubts about it
because, you know, he had hit after hit after hit. I mean the only like
the, the two like hiccups in his career
was he was not happy with cat O9 tails
at all. Yeah. Which I, I find very sad because that's one of my favorites.
Yes. And Five Days in Milan
was. Yeah, that was not well received and he put
everything into that and that was just like a
blow to him. Like he felt like he couldn't get out of genre work.
At least that's my interpretation. So, yeah, I think luckily some things happen
to kind of like keep him grounded. But then I think the back to back
hits of Deep Red and Suspiria made
him a little wild. Well, yeah, he'd been on
a bit of a roller coaster about it, so. No, that would make sense.
Totally. Sure, sure. One bit I really
like here is said Jessica Harper and I'd seen she was in a few
Woody Allen films. Said she's in. I didn't. I do remember what
watching this when I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on like spoofing parody films.
So I watched a lot of like these Woody Allen and
like Mel Brooks films of that period as part of the research. As he's gone
by years now. I didn't remember being in Love and Death but see,
she was in a few Woody Alley films, but apparently no harm to Woody Allen,
but just mad props to Jessica Harper for apparently turning down a part in Annie
hall to be in this dude. Yeah, she turned down Annie hall to
be in Suspiria. It's badass. Totally. But you
know, I mean, it's one of those things where, you know,
Woody Allen, you don't. They didn't realize at the time that that
was going to be like his. Yeah, his like critical and
commercial, you know, success. I think that. And now the famous
film that it is. I mean, she couldn't go wrong either way there,
really. Well, the farther you get away from Woody Allen.
That's all I'm going to say on that topic. Fair Enough. Oh, one last
casting tidbit was says apparently Tina was offered
the lead role but couldn't. And I can see that
again with, you know, she has Dario talks about Jessica
Harper and having very big almost like manga character eyes and Tina Roman
kind of similar. Yeah, dude, let me tell you, Tina Almont
would have been perfect. I love
her. She's great. Absolutely. Dude, she could have been Olga in
a heartbeat. They would have made the movie about Olga like they should have in
the first. First place. That's terrius. The only little
bit of tiny bit of trivia here I have here is the different
titles this movie got in foreign territories. Oh, that's the last bit of my
trivia actually, is the Sweden. Oh, okay. Well, I don't want to steal your fire.
Yeah, the only one I've got here is Flighten from
Hel. Escape from Hell.
Yes, yes. So in Sweden it was called Escape from
Hell. In Greece it was called in the Clutches of Evil.
In Vietnam it was called Dance of Death. But my favorite,
my all time favorite here in Mandarin it
was called because the Wind is Real,
which is actually background trivia. One of the things
I forgot to mention, a lot of the cast and crew members had to eat
a lot of sauerkraut because they were in Munich for so long.
And let me tell you, when you eat a lot of sauerkraut, the wind is
real, throw the chicken in the
toilet and eat a lot of sauerkraut. So you fart through the whole movie.
They have to dub everybody later. Well, it's a good thing they did post up
in that case, isn't it? By the sound of it.
Oh my God, Simon. So tell me about how you feel about this movie.
Oh, man. I mean, you know, some days
of the week it is impossible to pick up favorite horror film or a
favorite film, but some days of the week, this is it. There is another one
that's close up there for me. If I'm wearing my I've got a shining T
shirt which my good friend Paul kindly got me. That's. That's a
lot of the time. It depends which one I've watched last. And I think
I have talked about, I think even on the first episode where you sort of
interviewed me about favorite films, I said, I think even back then
she's going back to wow. Q. Dinosaurs roaring about eight years ago now.
Said I've come kind of full circle with from Suspiria
to some days of the week. I, you know, I know we
not really talked about Inferno, but So we want to get into it too much
here. There was a time when that was my favorite more and in some ways,
because that means it's kind of more serious and
esoteric, I guess. And there's bits in that which
the some days of the week I prefer that. But I think really my.
And then there was phenomena. There was a time that was my favorite.
But I've kind of come back round to Suspiria again because it was
such a formative film for me and I've got so
much joy from it in various ways, including, you know, all the,
the countless memes and stuff it's inspired me to do and
fun we've had on Facebook with it. So I think really if I have to
like, sorry, I'm losing it now. So I should say peek behind
the blue velvet curtain here, people. We have been recording over two hours now.
Yeah, I think Suspiria is where my, you know, the one that
my heart is kind of most with really, if pushed. But yeah.
And to say if it's a favorite horror film of all time
or film of all time, it depends on the day of the week. But my
God, it's really up there. So yeah, I absolutely adore it. Just from, from end
to end. Really beautiful. Yeah,
I, I absolutely adore this film too.
I got into like, really got into horror movies
around end of 2002, beginning of 2003.
I mean I was a horror kid, but I like let horror slide
through the 90s and not kept up with anything. And then I
just. When Liette and I were dating, I just really got into horror movies again.
Started to use my resources at my
fingertips library and video stores and the burgeoning
DVD market to start to get into these things.
And Suspiria I saw after
like I saw phenomena as a kid and I saw trauma as a kid
and then the, I saw the Stendahl syndrome,
which is hilarious to see that before Suspiria, that makes me laugh.
And then finally I just, you know, discovered Anchor Bay dvd.
And my first viewing of Suspiria was pretty much as close to perfect as
you can get it in those days. Oh yeah, watching that old Anchor Bay
disc and just absolutely blowing my mind. I mean I saw it after
the beyond and I saw it after House by the Cemetery. So it. All these
things were happening. Like, I think my,
my diving into Italian horror was all within
like a frickin six month period where I saw most of the classics,
you know, and just what a, what a time.
Very nostalgic for those early days, you know.
Lietta's cool too. But yeah,
like I think about how this is nothing like
I think about how there's nothing quite like Suspiria.
I don't think these films influence Suspiria.
I just think that they're interesting to think about in terms of,
you know, like how did we get here? How do we get such a unique
thing? This is totally unrelated, but the same year we had Hausu.
Yeah. From, from Obayashi. And that, that just like that is
a. The Japanese comparison to this. Just so over
the top and insane. I think I told you. Sorry to, to interrupt, but I,
I. My friend Sebastian, we had
a double feature of. I don't think you've seen either of those two,
which is just. Man, that was. And there's on
the other end of the spectrum in terms of color. Eraserheads the same year as
well. So 97, I tell you, let's go
for it. Yeah. What a crazy time. Two films I, that I
think of when I try to think of like what.
What would audiences have been maybe exposed
to beforehand. And two films jumped to mind. One of them is.
I know a favorite of yours. The first one is Messiah of Evil.
Boy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely was a few years before this. Just in terms of
unique tone and absolutely slam
dunk set design and lighting. Oh my God. Yeah. And then Lamora,
A child's tale of the supernatural. Yes. Another absolute. I feel
like that seems like maybe, maybe Daria,
Nickelodeon saw that. You know, it's possible. I mean that one. I've always said to
me, one of the reasons I love it. It's an American indie film. That and
Messiah of Evil as well. They both to me have the Euro horror vibe to
them. Yeah. And yeah. Some of the lighting and that
and that. My word, that film is. The dvd. Still looks
beautiful. But my God, that's crying out for a better release. But this.
Yeah, like the, the color gels and stuff in that. That feels very
sort of proto Suspiria or what have you. Totally.
Well, and like you've like, you've hinted at in the, in, you know, we could
spend hours and hours and hours, even more hours than what we spent on this
movie. We could spend like hours just dissecting the frickin
airport sequence. Like we, you know, it's crazy but
like that's letting you know that this is going to be garish.
Beyond garish, intricate, overwhelming.
There's like all the words I just started jotting down as I was watching This.
I love how this is dripping with dread. Like, it has that you are
fucked quality. A lot of great supernatural movies have where it's
like, oh, I pricked myself on my. On this tennis racket
in, you know, perfume, and the lady in black and it's like,
oh, lady, just lay down in your grave. You're done.
When talking about the pillars of Italian horror,
like, what. What is. What are the greatest Italian horrors of all time?
You know, you've got demons, you've got the beyond,
and you've got Suspiria, and you've got Black Sunday Troll
2. What? Don't laugh. Don't laugh
at that. No, I just wanted to throw that in there, but, I mean,
Simon, I got to thank you, man. Going the distance,
folks. For years, we've been trying to get the show shorter for
our sanity's sake. And just before we start, I told Simon it.
I don't care. I literally don't care if we go too long.
And, of course, I would be remiss if we didn't talk about the. The hilarity
of Suspiria is a giallo. I'm saying it again.
Suspiria is a giallo. So obviously I know that Suspiria
isn't a giallo. The funny because of the supernatural qualities.
Although there are supernatural giallo. Golly, I'm sorry.
Anyway, but Suspiria is a giallo
until it isn't. As some very wise person once said that, yes, the supernatural
reveal takes away the murder mystery angle,
but what Simon and I have been dealing with in these fucking Facebook
groups and these other groups,
discord, maybe is this whole bullshit of,
like, shaming newbies for saying Suspiria is
a giallo. Like, they read a little article that someone wrote that
mislabels it as a giallo, and they go, hey, guys,
I found your group because I saw Suspiria. What's another giallo?
Now, you could say, hey, it's not a giallo,
dude. Let me explain why. But he's probably sound like a dick because, you know,
there's no text and there's no context in text when you're reading it. But there's
people that shame these people, like they're idiots. And it's like, no, they're not fucking
idiots. It's confusing as. Yeah, so Simon has been doing the Lord's.
And by the Lord, I mean the Dark Lord by making my
favorite memes of all time,
making fun of Suspiria being a giallo. The let's
Give you an example. The Full Metal
Jacket one that is Spirit is a Giallo who the said.
That that's the one that's had the longest legs, as it were.
Because you told me that somebody had. And this is the mark of a successful
meme when somebody shares without credit on another platform. And then
somebody else was about it, which happens. Someone you don't know is sharing it.
And it still pops up and you know. Yeah, exactly. And it still pops up
from time to time. And I'll post one and somebody will post it in the
comments. And my go to response now is always one of my finest moments
or memes, whatever. And they're like, oh, you did that. Did I see?
Yeah, dude. The other one that I love, absolutely love is
Susie. Do you know anything about Giallo, which another
meme you made that's not a suspirious of Giallo one. But I always laugh when
I think about it is when the witches are dying. Oh, yeah,
yeah. And Tanner and Madame
Blank are holding their throats and the wind is blowing. It's like you're trying to
kill that of an American girl. But then the bass drops.
Magic. Thank you. I have to thank the person who did the. The one that
inspired that was the poltergeist one where it's tangina
when you're trying to save Carol Ann. And then the bass drops.
That's what inspired.
Oh, my God, I love it.
It's so good. But yeah, dude. So folks, don't take it
so seriously. Good Lord. And if you want to be welcoming in a community,
don't shame people for just Honest question
Jesus. Yeah, exactly, man. But you know,
the listeners of hello, this is the doom show. You guys are all cool.
You wouldn't do that. I know that. Absolutely. But Simon,
let's get out of here. Let's go freaking throw some chicken in the toilet,
shall we? It's happy you said that's my back teeth are actually
floating. Oh, yeah,
you pour your soup down the toilet all the time. I know.
Folks, thank you so much for listening. And thank you to Simon
for being a hero and bringing all the. All his Suspiria goodnesses.
Oh, no. Right back at yourself. Thank you. Bye,
folks. Good night.
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