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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It is Monday, everybody's favorite day, everybody his favorite day.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eighties, we had this little cartoon called Garfield,

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<v Speaker 1>and Garfield was famous.

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<v Speaker 4>For hating Monday Mondays.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have a little bubble they said, I hate Mondays. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's why we loved Garfield. Yes, because we are

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<v Speaker 3>so sensible. And he loved zangna and azagna.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, that's right. He's a cat.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, my name is Chris, this is Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to welcome into the Bible guys, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are starting off with a riveting segment.

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<v Speaker 4>This is super exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's called would you rather?

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<v Speaker 4>This is one of your favorites? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because it's just fun choices usually, Well, since you

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<v Speaker 3>love it so much, wy, don't you start number one?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather have a pet dinosaur or a pet dragon?

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<v Speaker 1>To which I would say are they one of the same?

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<v Speaker 2>Are dragons?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Desiree knows what she's doing. And she's distinguished

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<v Speaker 3>between the two.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, it depends on what kind of dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 4>Cheese dinosaurs are real. There's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well listen, I believe the dragons may have been.

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<v Speaker 4>Real at one time as a dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 2>As a dinosaur. Yeah, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point almost every ancient culture has some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a dragon story.

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<v Speaker 4>Many of them do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I would definitely say dragon dragon.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I saw the cartoon what card How to Train

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<v Speaker 3>Your Pet Dragon? Oh, yes, it looks way cooler than

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<v Speaker 3>just And I also saw Jurassic Park, and that's not

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<v Speaker 3>super cool.

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<v Speaker 2>One's death in distraction. Yeah's your friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, you have to fly on pet dragon, pet

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<v Speaker 3>dragon top top, not right there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also seen House of Dragons, where House of

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<v Speaker 1>Dragons is a prerequisite to gimme thrones, and they actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like were realistic dragons, and it sort of tried to

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<v Speaker 1>create a world in which dragons were real and that

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<v Speaker 1>they were the dominant, you know, group of people that

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<v Speaker 1>rode them. I got to tell you, riding dragons looks

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well there you go. I'm talking about a cartoon. Yeah, yes, hey, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Toothless.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you rather wear clown makeup every day for the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of your life?

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<v Speaker 4>Or where to to every day?

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<v Speaker 2>To Tom?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's terrible, but it's way better than clown makeup.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't want to take the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I just don't want to have to my

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<v Speaker 2>skin to bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a Do you have a long routine

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<v Speaker 3>for getting ready in the morning? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on if I shave or not. Shaving takes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time. But if I don't shave,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's because your beard is just so strong and

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<v Speaker 3>sturdy you must go through multiple Did you know that Superman?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that Superman has to use a mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and use his heat vision to shave because a razor

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<v Speaker 1>can't cut?

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<v Speaker 4>Whoa, I did not know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, I just don't want to take the

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<v Speaker 3>time with the clown makeup, So put on the two

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<v Speaker 3>two embarrassed?

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<v Speaker 2>Got it?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? All right? Number three, I'd get like a Velco

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<v Speaker 4>two two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, Well, if you get to wear it

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<v Speaker 1>every day, it's like a belt.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not get the best to the best, that's right,

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<v Speaker 3>the most convenient, only the finness, only the finnest. To

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<v Speaker 3>go to the Bible guys dot com and go to

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you can get a Velco number three. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>rather fight one hundred tiny sumer wrestlers or.

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<v Speaker 2>One giant toddler? That is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>How tiny is tiny? And how giant is giant? I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think I think you should.

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<v Speaker 4>A man sized toddler.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, giant means giant.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, toddlers. Have you seen a toddler? They're usually like

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<v Speaker 3>foot tall?

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So then to be six feet tall would make you

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<v Speaker 3>a giant. If you were six times bigger than you

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<v Speaker 3>are now, you'd be a giant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm picturing the false world.

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<v Speaker 4>You're thinking like mega mega, I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, toddler.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I think, how tiny is a tiny sumo wrestler?

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<v Speaker 2>I think there may be like dwarfs.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so like a three foot tall one hundred three

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<v Speaker 3>foot tall sumo wrestlers. Right, So sumo wrestler usually weighs

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<v Speaker 3>like four hundred pounds, right, So if you take a

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<v Speaker 3>six foot sumo wrestler at four hundred pounds and you

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<v Speaker 3>shrink it to three hundred or to three feet. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a two hundred pounds. You're fighting one hundred two hundred pounders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd rather fight first verse the giant.

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<v Speaker 3>The giant. Yeah, just just one giant. Yeah, we worked

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<v Speaker 3>it out. You see, good problem solving right there. What

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<v Speaker 3>were you going to say? You were going to say

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred tiny?

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, I was also thinking like, could they

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<v Speaker 2>be like the size.

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<v Speaker 4>Of tinkerbelt like micro?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, see just fly swatt.

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<v Speaker 3>See that's what I was asking. Is this micro and

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<v Speaker 3>mega or is this little and big?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the giant toddler wins giant toddler.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, because you only have one problem, right, instead

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<v Speaker 3>of one hundred problems, one hundred two hundred pound problems?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, good?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you rather sneeze glitter or sweat maple syrup? There

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<v Speaker 3>is no question in my mind sweat maple syrups. Sweat

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<v Speaker 3>maple syrup.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, thanks for the questions, Desiree. These are awful.

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<v Speaker 2>That was terrible. Well, hey, both of those I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to gag at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's the glitters from the pits of hell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right. Whoever invented glitter, I'm confident is

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<v Speaker 3>not heaven. Yes, that's correct, right, along with I think

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<v Speaker 3>the other declaration we've made. I mean, hey, we are

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<v Speaker 3>a hard hitting no no, we are a hard hitting

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<v Speaker 3>Bible doctrine show. And we took a strong stand against

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<v Speaker 3>uh android phones, and yes, right right, we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Pull any punchest.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna make a hot stage, yeah, no, And and

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<v Speaker 3>so we're pretty sure they're not going to go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>And then now, whoever invented glitter? People who use glitter?

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<v Speaker 3>If you if you were in the glitter industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, or if you're a glitter pusher, or if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a glitter fan glitter pusher, that's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, I would agree with you on the maple syrup.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's gross. At least it would smell good.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Okay, I think it's you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Five. Would you rather always have a bad case of

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<v Speaker 2>the hiccups?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's terrible, or have an itch that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>reach that's pretty bad too, Those are too terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a bad case of hiccups, not just hiccups.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, bad case of the hiccups that you always have.

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<v Speaker 1>That could define the bad bad case. Doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>mean like strength, it could mean like length.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I would rather have the itch.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too. I think so too.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just hire somebody follow me around your job.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the itcher, you're the scratcher, because yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't say that you can't scratch it, just said

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<v Speaker 3>you can you can't reach it, which, by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, I can pretty much reach everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>All right side note, we're gonna okay, that's that's the

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<v Speaker 3>best as far as we want to go with that.

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<v Speaker 1>When I yeah, it's like you have to be like

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you're like, you know, like a quadriplegic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking of not being able to see everything, m hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Today's episode, Elicias servant cannot see all the protection around him.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, here's the question. When did we speak of not

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<v Speaker 1>being able to see anything?

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<v Speaker 4>You just did, Well, you couldn't reach it. If you

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<v Speaker 4>can't reach you can't see it. That was the connection.

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<v Speaker 1>You've effectively done a bad transition, bad transition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, man, I think we're about five hundred for five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred now, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think so too.

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<v Speaker 3>So we are in Second King's chapter six today and

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of my favorite stories I think in

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<v Speaker 3>Elisia's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, well, I'll tell you what, he already had

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty good ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, as opposed to all those bad Bible verses.

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<v Speaker 4>These are some of our favorite ones.

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<v Speaker 2>These are why do you insert such things on people? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't, That's not what I said.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't say you Yeah, I was just commenting. Second King,

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter six, verse eightys. When the King of Aram was

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<v Speaker 3>at war with Israel, he would confer with his officers

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<v Speaker 3>and say, we will mobilize our horses.

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<v Speaker 4>At such and such a place.

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<v Speaker 3>But immediately Elishah, the Man of God, would warn the

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<v Speaker 3>King of Israel, don't go near that place, for the

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<v Speaker 3>Arameans are planning to mobilize their troops there. So the

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<v Speaker 3>King of Israel would send word to the place indicated

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<v Speaker 3>by the Man of God. Time and again elisha warned

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<v Speaker 3>the king so that he would be on the alert there.

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<v Speaker 3>The King of Arab became very upset over this, and

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<v Speaker 3>he called his officers together and demanded, which of you

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<v Speaker 3>is the trader who's been informing the King of Israel

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<v Speaker 3>of my plans.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not us, my lord, the king one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The officers replied, Elisha, the prophet in Israel tells the

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<v Speaker 3>King of Israel even the words you speak in the

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<v Speaker 3>privacy of your bedroom. Go and find out where he is.

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<v Speaker 3>The king commanded, so I can send troops to seize him.

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<v Speaker 3>And the report came back Elisha as at Dothan. So

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<v Speaker 3>one night the King of Aram sent a great army

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<v Speaker 3>with many chariots and horses to surround the city. When

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<v Speaker 3>the servant of the Man of God got up early

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<v Speaker 3>the next morning and went outside, there were troops, horses,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh Sir, what will we do now? The young man

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be afraid, Elisha, hold him, for their are more

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<v Speaker 3>on our side than on theirs. Then Elishah prayed, Oh Lord,

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<v Speaker 3>open his eyes and let him see. The Lord opened

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<v Speaker 3>the young man's eyes, and when he looked up, he

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<v Speaker 3>and chariots of fire. As the airman army advanced toward him,

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<v Speaker 3>Elisha prayed, Oh Lord, please make them blind. So the

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<v Speaker 3>Lord struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked. Then

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<v Speaker 3>Elisha went out and told them, you have come the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong way. This isn't the right city. Follow me and

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<v Speaker 3>he led them to the city of Samaria. As soon

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<v Speaker 3>as they had entered Samaria, Elisha prayed, O Lord now

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<v Speaker 3>opened their eyes and let them cease. The Lord opened

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes and they discovered that they were in the

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<v Speaker 3>he shouted to Elisha, my father, should I kill them?

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<v Speaker 3>Should I kill them? Of course not, Elisha replied, do

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<v Speaker 3>we kill prisoners of war? Give them food and drink,

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<v Speaker 3>them home to their master. After that, the Airman raiders

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<v Speaker 3>stayed away from the land of Israel. Yeah, no, lie,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I probably would too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that first of all, if this brings up so

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<v Speaker 1>many different questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Ask him.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the Bible, no worries, no worries, got this.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is, did was Elisha able to see

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<v Speaker 1>all of the horses of you know, chariots of fire?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he able to see the spiritual world? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he asked the Lord to open his servant's eyes so

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<v Speaker 1>that he could see the spiritual world. So Elisha walks

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<v Speaker 1>around seeing the spiritual world? Or did he walk out

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<v Speaker 1>of his house see the army and then Elisha God

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<v Speaker 1>just allowed Elisha in that moment to see the spiritual world.

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<v Speaker 1>Or does Elisha perpetually see the spiritual world? And then

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<v Speaker 1>here's the third question. Here's the third option, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is possible, Elisha just assumes that there's a spiritual world.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, using your test yesterday about don't say things that

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<v Speaker 3>aren't there, correct, it never implies that Elisha can see anything, correct,

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<v Speaker 3>which would mean then your last question is your last

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<v Speaker 3>question is the correct question to be asking.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't say that he can't see.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but you said don't add anything to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>So the only thing that we know is that Elijah's

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<v Speaker 3>servant can see, right, but Elisha had confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is it doesn't tell us all three

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<v Speaker 1>of those options. So the only thing we know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure is that it just doesn't tell us. It could

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I think the assumption would be because it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't say the other two. Yeah, the natural assumption would

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<v Speaker 3>be that he lives like you and I do. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 3>you're turning turning him into a superhero.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I think I agree with that. I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but yeah, so I think it was just that

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<v Speaker 3>he had absolute confidence that, you know, God's with us

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<v Speaker 3>and so we don't have to worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so too. And by the way, can

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<v Speaker 2>we just talk about that for a minute, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you walk around with so much confidence that God

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<v Speaker 1>is real and that God is on your sho now,

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of cases, you know, now, Elisha was

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<v Speaker 1>a prophet of God.

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<v Speaker 2>That is different than my profession and your profession.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though we're pastors, and even though that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Christians are you know, ambassadors, all of us are, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's different than a prophet. A prophet had this ability

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, directly hear from God. And so Elisha has,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it seems like it's Alicia's idea. I have

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<v Speaker 1>an idea, make him blind God. And then and by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I think that was Elicia's idea. I think

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<v Speaker 1>God honored Eliicia's idea because it said he made them blind.

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<v Speaker 1>As Elisha asked, this didn't seem like an idea that

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<v Speaker 1>came from God.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But again, he was the prophet.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the representative, the only representative, at least apparently

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. So anyway, all that to say this,

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<v Speaker 1>for the average person listening going into work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean you know, your ideas are always the best ideas, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what God says. God says.

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<v Speaker 1>God says that you're going to try to punch me,

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<v Speaker 1>and your fist will stop in mid air, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that, That's right, That's not what it means. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>However, if you know that something is wrong and you

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<v Speaker 1>stand up and do what is right, I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>we can have confidence that God is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>with you and that God is going to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of you. And sometimes they do have consequences sometimes, you

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever, sometimes we don't see it work out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of different scenarios, right, So, Like, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if a person quits a job because they stand up

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<v Speaker 1>for what is right and they refuse to do what

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they may go through a hard time financially, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that God will in the end take care of

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<v Speaker 1>that person for doing what is right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, God's never going to be in debt to you

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<v Speaker 3>because you did the right thing right right, right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>God will always settle the score and it always winds

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<v Speaker 3>up being better than than what you think you invested

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<v Speaker 3>in doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I sure rambling, But what I'm trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>is to have that amount of confidence to do what

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of what I was saying, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine just just to have every situation be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm on the right side. I know God's

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<v Speaker 1>going to win. I know God's going to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of me. I have no reservation whatsoever about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, I live that way often. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wonder how confident I would be if I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that there's a potential I would die because I

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<v Speaker 1>already told you right, Like, remember remember that time I

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<v Speaker 1>told you about that car wreck and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to run over and help the guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was standing across the street. It was like a coward, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking, gee, whiz man, if I knew I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to die, who would I have that much confidence? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God's with me right now. He doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>care me right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know, it's interesting to me that Elisha

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<v Speaker 3>spends the vast majority of his time in Israel and

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<v Speaker 3>not in Judah. Judah is where all the people who

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<v Speaker 3>followed God were, and he had great respect for Jehoshaphat

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<v Speaker 3>he said, so he says it multiple times. He's like

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<v Speaker 3>a big fan of that guy. Right, But he lives

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<v Speaker 3>in Samaria, where all the wicked people are, where all

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<v Speaker 3>the sin is, and he's not indulging in it. He's constantly,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, speaking against all of this evil. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think this was an opportunity and he saw this as

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<v Speaker 3>an opportunity to continue to move God's mission forward, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And God saw this as an opportunity to move his

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<v Speaker 3>mission forward, to get in the in the the mind,

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<v Speaker 3>in the eyes of the King of Israel. Again, look

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<v Speaker 3>at I'm still paying attention. I'm here, right. How many

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<v Speaker 3>miracles do you need before you finally start believing?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>So, what it turns out I think you're seeing here

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<v Speaker 3>is that the King of Israel looks at Elisha as

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<v Speaker 3>a magic man, like like like a witch doctor or something.

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<v Speaker 3>He just has this built in magic in him. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not seeing that God is doing these miracles. Apparently, it

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<v Speaker 3>just is I don't understand why he doesn't respond. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>he'll mention, you know in the previous one where he mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, your God said this or whatever. But for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part he just doesn't have the same perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think that God is getting this message across.

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<v Speaker 3>And so in this moment, then Elisha can have confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>One I don't believe God's done with me yet. And

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<v Speaker 3>two this is a really great opportunity to point out

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<v Speaker 3>to the king again. And that's why, Hey, God strike

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<v Speaker 3>them blind, and I'm going to march them right into

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the city, right, and hey, see what

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<v Speaker 3>God did. And so when it's all about see what

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<v Speaker 3>God did, I think you can expect miracles when it's

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<v Speaker 3>just every day stuff, maybe or maybe not. And it

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<v Speaker 3>just depends on what God's plan is for your life

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<v Speaker 3>in that next thing, right, So when your work is

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<v Speaker 3>aligning with God's plan, I think you can always you

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<v Speaker 3>can always count on miracles when it's just Tuesday on

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<v Speaker 3>the way to the grocery store. I don't know, right, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think we lived the majority of our

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<v Speaker 3>life just in the natural world, right, and natural things

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<v Speaker 3>happened good and bad. And then when we were walking

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<v Speaker 3>moving God's kingdom forward, it's not unreasonable for us to

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<v Speaker 3>expect God to do the supernatural and protect us. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's been many times where I found myself. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>been multiple times where one time we were out in

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<v Speaker 3>guys that were not happy that we pulled up. They

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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of scary, right, It calmed down and

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<v Speaker 3>things were fine. Had another time we were on motorcycles

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<v Speaker 3>border between two warring tribes, and these guys step out

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<v Speaker 3>with rifles and stop us in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and they commandeered our motorcycles and rode with us for

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<v Speaker 3>two hours. I had a guy sitting on the back

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<v Speaker 3>of my motorcycle with machine gun right between me and

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And we didn't know if we were being kidnapped night.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't know which tribe they were from, we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>chit chatted with us for a couple of minutes, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if they were good guys or bad guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Never figured out well.

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<v Speaker 3>East took possession of us and wondering, you know, how's

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<v Speaker 3>this going to work out? Had a lot of those things,

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<v Speaker 3>and in those there's the nervousness of it, but always

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<v Speaker 3>I've been more worried that, oh, this might not turn

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<v Speaker 3>out well, like you said, driving down the road having

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<v Speaker 3>a bad problem than you know, than in those because

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<v Speaker 3>in those moments and thinking, hey, I'm just doing what

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<v Speaker 3>Got told us to do. We're trying to plant churches,

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to make disciples.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll protect us, right right, Yeah, Well, you know I

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<v Speaker 1>think that looking back at my life when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I did a lot of crazy and dumb things,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was pretty was pretty ignorant and have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things and almost died like probably four different times,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe five different times, and uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And but God had a plan for you. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I like, look at this dumb kid, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 3>to keep him alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I actually believe, like there are unexplainable things, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think even as a kid, I'm thinking, like somehow God,

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<v Speaker 1>God protected me from that. Yes, you know, I fell

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<v Speaker 1>down two stories onto a cement driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that I was two stories high. I fell

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<v Speaker 2>off of the ladder. I went straight backwards and landed

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<v Speaker 2>on my back and my head on a cement driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>No protections a lot, right now, m R and Z.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and so, yeah, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that one hundred percent that when you get

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<v Speaker 3>yourself in a situation, God's not done with you.

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<v Speaker 4>You are heading towards God. This is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>If you align your life where you're like, God, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to do everything I can do to serve you.

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't have to be full time preacher ministry.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that you're saying, as a businessman, God, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to leverage my resources to further your kingdom. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to share the guys. You're saying, God, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to align with your plan for my life. Then I

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<v Speaker 3>think you can expect God supernatural intervention in your life

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<v Speaker 3>on a regular basis because God had a plan. You

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<v Speaker 3>made some dumb choices, yep, and your your guardian angels

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<v Speaker 3>working hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Man. Just this was a tough one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that every listener that's listening now, I think

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<v Speaker 3>qualifies for that kind of protection.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree to you, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>And and so let's let's spend our last few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the spiritual world. So, so we believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there the Bible teaches that there is a spiritual world,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Adam and Eve had the ability to h

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<v Speaker 1>you know, walk with God in the garden. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>the scripture says, right and and uh, and so Adam

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<v Speaker 1>and Eve saw God in the spiritual world, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when sin came into the world, you know, the theology

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<v Speaker 1>of it is that Adam and Eve were separated from

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<v Speaker 1>that spiritual world. And so then, you know, now we

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<v Speaker 1>live in a world where, you know, God is a

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<v Speaker 1>spirit and we can't see the spiritual world. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible describes angels, the Bible describes demons, the Bible describes

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that these two are are completely in

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<v Speaker 1>the same space. But at the same time, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>see them, which is why it says suddenly an angel appeared, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says everybody was terrified.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the Book of Revelation it talks about

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<v Speaker 1>how uh, you know, the new Jerusalem will come down

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll it'll it'll it'll merge with the Earth, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the new the new Heaven and the new Earth will

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<v Speaker 1>come together.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the theory is is that the spiritual world

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<v Speaker 1>will merge with the physical world and it will be

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<v Speaker 1>like it was in the Garden of Eden, where we

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<v Speaker 1>can see the spiritual and the non spiritual, the physical

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<v Speaker 1>and the spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, because we have come alive spiritually, right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that those two are they're not set for God.

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<v Speaker 3>They're separate for us. And I don't think they're separate

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<v Speaker 3>for the angels. They're separate for us. And that's why

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<v Speaker 3>the angels show up. You know, these armies come in

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<v Speaker 3>and the angels are like, oh man, Now, what I

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<v Speaker 3>think is really cool is it's talking about this is

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty substantial army that shows up many chariots and horses.

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<v Speaker 3>And in those days, a few chariots would change an

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<v Speaker 3>entire battle, right, right, because the other armies typically didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have charits. You rarely in this timeframe ever, hear about

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<v Speaker 3>the Jews the Israelites having chariots, right, So that's a

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<v Speaker 3>tactical advantage. There's many chariots, many horses. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>substantial army. And then Elijah's like, yeah, Lord, if you

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<v Speaker 3>could just let him see what you're planning. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>this for for Elisha and his helper. There's a bigger

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<v Speaker 3>army in heaven around and so that phrase and I

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<v Speaker 3>just wish not that I think we always have this opportunity,

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<v Speaker 3>that this expectation that God's going to show us these things,

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<v Speaker 3>but just the idea that this is true. There are

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<v Speaker 3>more on our side than on theirs. Right, right, if

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<v Speaker 3>you can just live your day, there's more on your

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<v Speaker 3>side than there air is on theirs. Your boss is

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to do evil to you today, just understand there's

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<v Speaker 3>more on your side than there is on theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Your in laws or your ex or whatever. There's if

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<v Speaker 3>you're following God and you're all in with Jesus on

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<v Speaker 3>this one, you're surrendered to the Holy Spirit. The Bible

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<v Speaker 3>says there's more on your side than there is on there.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you look at all the evil stuff going

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<v Speaker 3>on in the schools and in our public arena and

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<v Speaker 3>in politics and all those things, there's more on God's

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<v Speaker 3>side than there is on theirs.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And the scripture says in the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>it says, greater is He that is.

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<v Speaker 2>In you than He is in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's awesome, that's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a good place stand. That's right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a good place to end. And we will see you

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully tomorrow on the Bible. Guys,