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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. It's National Jeff Day. What on October twentieth?

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<v Speaker 1>It is National Jeff Day? Man, It's about time. Every hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>all your wildest dreams are going to come true. It's

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<v Speaker 1>every year Jeff on October twentieth.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently October twentieth, which I who knew? Who knew't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when they did National christ Day?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I do, so who we forget right? It was

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<v Speaker 2>like the highlight of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not best it was but there was a question,

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<v Speaker 1>and Desiree is now asking the same question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So Desiree puts together this question, says, so Jeff, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's National Jeff Day on October twentieth. The question is Colon,

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<v Speaker 1>if you would create your perfect day, comma, what would

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<v Speaker 1>it look like? Question mark? Wow, Now do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>my answer? I say to your answer, I said I

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<v Speaker 1>would go to all four part said Disney Disney World

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<v Speaker 1>with my family, with the celebrity of my choice on

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<v Speaker 1>each park. And you said you remember.

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<v Speaker 2>What you said? It sounded like actual hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Actual hell, which is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Disney has its place, but it's not the play something

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<v Speaker 2>and that's my perfect day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I am happy when I'm with my family.

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<v Speaker 1>We all love it so much together that we experience

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<v Speaker 1>it and I'm staying there with my family and we're there,

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<v Speaker 1>we just you know, I love it. I love it

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<v Speaker 1>when it's good, right, because I'm an extrovert to so

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<v Speaker 1>my wife would never agree with this. She'd never be

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<v Speaker 1>like your brother, Daveney, I would never do that. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I said to my wife, what if nobody was

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<v Speaker 1>there and it was just everybody you love?

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<v Speaker 2>That's how your wife talks to you, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is wow. We had no idea, you seem. Liza is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the nicest people.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the nicest human. She'd never talk like that, although

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<v Speaker 1>she does have a little spitfire reallyes she you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Always tell my wife she's my favorite kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right, that's great. Yeah. Okay. So, so Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>if you would have had perfect day, perfect well, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be probably fall up north there you leaves are turning.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about whether you're started.

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<v Speaker 2>Like sixty six sixty seven degrees. Look at you, low humidity,

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<v Speaker 2>leaves are turning. Light breeze, not a big breeze. Bright sun,

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<v Speaker 2>the lions winning Jeff, Just yes, absolutely, the just.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's give us more backdrop.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue sky with wearing with well probably hiking pants, economy,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah and invest and blue sky with like just a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of high fluffy clouds. Okay, right, a great day

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<v Speaker 2>you have me. And then driving through the tunnel of

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<v Speaker 2>trees on the way to breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't that great? Then we're gonna do like a

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<v Speaker 2>fun hike thing picnic mix you lost me through the

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<v Speaker 2>woods with a picnic next to like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great lakes, and then come home and grill with the

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<v Speaker 2>family around as the sun sets.

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<v Speaker 1>Come all the way home or to like a lodge, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wherever we're at, but with the same with the family

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<v Speaker 2>all around, sunsetting, the porch lights come on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the hanging the stream nice and on the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a lodge on.

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<v Speaker 2>The lake wherever? It doesn't matter, just lungs of families

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<v Speaker 2>there at that point we've already seen the lake today. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so it's mostly outdoors nature stuff that that

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<v Speaker 2>that's like the perfect day with the smoke of a

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<v Speaker 2>good dinner clicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I know, I know you hot deer, but but

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<v Speaker 1>do you love seeing deer across.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a big nature guy. Yeah, looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Animals, so assuming that they're deer on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always sad to see the deer on the side

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<v Speaker 1>I meant like eating grass. I didn't mean dead on

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<v Speaker 2>Of the road. One of my favorite things all those

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<v Speaker 2>raccoons on the side of the road. Yeah, okay, so listen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So I've gone out to my tree stand before and

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<v Speaker 2>watch the watch the birds come by. Just I was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there one time and I had an owl swoop

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<v Speaker 1>And so now I like the owl thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea of sitting in a stand with nothing

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<v Speaker 1>for hours, I could honestly say that I could with

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<v Speaker 1>confidence that that sounds like actual hell to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You would jump out of the tree stand. I would

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<v Speaker 2>want to be doing head dive.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be near somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, hello, is there anybody I can talk to? Ye? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm an extrovert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that covers all the things that covers nature.

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<v Speaker 2>It covers you know, the sunshine and all that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. It covers the lakes and the mountains and

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. I love all that stuff. And then family

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<v Speaker 2>and grilling, cooking, I love all that stuff. Gathering a

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<v Speaker 2>family together, that'd probably be my favorite day.

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<v Speaker 1>So my wife and I with our kids went up

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<v Speaker 1>about four weeks ago and did the tunnel trees and

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<v Speaker 1>we saw a deer, plenty of deer, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>just on the side of the road. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>living and eating grass or standing just slightly in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods or something. I actually we saw twenty to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>deer along the way. And I'm telling you what, it

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<v Speaker 1>was beautiful, beautiful, wasn't It wasn't October beautiful. It was

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<v Speaker 1>September beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we'd ended the night with like a late

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody's standing around yelling at the TV for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple hours, and that sounds like a fun day to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you bet a million dollars on the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a better I don't bet man. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a fool and his money are soon parted. Right, all right, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing's for sure. Whenever you've been on the Lions, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a guarantee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that sounds like a great day to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's should make it happen on October twentieth. There you go,

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<v Speaker 2>National Jeff Day national right here, Bonnie. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that didn't sound like a suggestion to me.

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<v Speaker 2>We should make it happen, sound like, let me see

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm in town. Let me see if I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>town on October twentieth, then I'll make sure we get

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<v Speaker 2>it done. Oh I am. It's a Sunday though, So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably gonna make me appreci that day.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you are, actually I am?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Well, still fun day. Yes, it is congratulations

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<v Speaker 2>for all of you that get to celebrate National Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Day with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what a privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't only imagine how incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>From yesterday's from yesterday's mess up. It's an honor, Nay,

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<v Speaker 1>a privilegege.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yes, it's just got to be so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet for days children children probably have those little

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like at Christmas the advent calendars where you

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<v Speaker 2>open up each calendar day and you get your little

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<v Speaker 2>candy and you're looking for to Christmas Day. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be a thing for National Jeff Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you are preaching at the Sterling Arts Campus, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>on the skill of communication. There you go, yeah, pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, hey, that was a riveting segment. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Jeff for giving us some insight into the life of.

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<v Speaker 2>So you with celebrities at Disney, Me with my close

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones walking in the woods, having a picnic along

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<v Speaker 2>the lake and grilling at night watching a football game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's be clear, I said meAll No, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>said me and my family with celebrities at Disney.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, there you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, yeah, so so so, because here's.

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<v Speaker 2>The way words matter. Words matter. You just said, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrities of Disney, me with my close family and loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones in the woods together.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean no, that is not That is not what

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying. I was highlighting the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>prefer the artificial Disney thing, and I prefer for what

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<v Speaker 2>God made. That's all I was idle heading.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey God got and you see, maybe this is the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that God did make Disney through creative minds,

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<v Speaker 1>that he made that he made.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I just don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>creative minds improve on what God did.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's pretty good. So I'm trying to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with this with a snappy comeback, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I can trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, that's fair. This is eight for those of

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<v Speaker 2>you that don't get to hang out with us all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Yeah, this is pretty much our life. We're

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<v Speaker 2>always one upbringing each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta give that me. I got to give that

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<v Speaker 1>win to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll take that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I didn't really even think that

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<v Speaker 1>that was worth an argument. I was trying to argue.

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<v Speaker 2>Something, which that also is our life. We arguing. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't even need to right commit each other.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, So we're in Second Samuel fifteen, verse thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>through thirty seven, so it's a little bit longer of

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<v Speaker 1>a story, and we're going to actually see what comes

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<v Speaker 1>when Absalom decides to put into motion this plan of his.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Absolom is King David's son. He's decided to

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<v Speaker 2>pull off a coup after an eight year window of

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<v Speaker 2>him being disappointed with his father. And he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>when the horn blows, everybody come over and shout Absolom's

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<v Speaker 2>ban king in Hebron. And so the Bible says in

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<v Speaker 2>Second Sanmuech, chapter fifteen, verse thirteen. A messenger soon arrived

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<v Speaker 2>in Jerusalem to tell David all Israel his joined to

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<v Speaker 2>Absolom in the conspiracy against you. Then we must flee

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<v Speaker 2>at once, or it'll be too late. David urged his man, hurry.

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<v Speaker 2>both we and the city of Jerusalem will be spared

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<v Speaker 2>from disaster. We are with you, his advisers replied, do

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<v Speaker 2>what you think is best. So the king and all

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<v Speaker 2>his households set out at once. He left no one

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<v Speaker 2>behind except ten of his concubines to look after the palace.

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<v Speaker 2>why are you coming with us? Go on back to

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<v Speaker 2>King Absalom, For you are a guest in Israel, a

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<v Speaker 2>foreigner in exile. You arrived only recently. And should I

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<v Speaker 2>your kinsman with you, and may the Lord show you

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<v Speaker 2>his unfailing love and faithfulness. But Idai said to the King,

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<v Speaker 2>I vow by the Lord and by your own life,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens, whether it means life or death.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dave replied, all right, come with us, and so

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<v Speaker 2>followers passed by. They crossed the Kidrun Valley and then

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<v Speaker 2>came along, carrying the Ark of the Covenant of God.

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<v Speaker 2>They set down the ark of God and Abiathar offered

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<v Speaker 2>Then the king instructed Zadok to take the Ark of

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<v Speaker 2>David said, he will bring me back to see the

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<v Speaker 2>Ark in the tabernacle again. But if he is through

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<v Speaker 2>The king also told Zadok, the priest, look, here is

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<v Speaker 2>I will stop at the shallows of the Jordan River

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<v Speaker 2>and wait there for a report from you. So Zadok

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<v Speaker 2>and Abiathar took the Ark of God back to the

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<v Speaker 2>city and stayed there. David walked up the road to

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<v Speaker 2>the Mount of Olives, weeping as he went. His head

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<v Speaker 2>was covered and his feet were bare as a sign

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<v Speaker 2>of mourning, and the people who were with him covered

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<v Speaker 2>their heads and wept as they climbed the hill. When

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<v Speaker 2>David told Abiathar that his adviser, a Hithafel was now

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<v Speaker 2>backing Absalom, David prayed, Oh Lord, let a Hithafel give

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<v Speaker 2>Absalom foolish advice When David reached the summit of the

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<v Speaker 2>Mount of Olives, where people worshiped God Hushai, the ARKit

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<v Speaker 2>But David told him, if you go with me, you

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<v Speaker 2>will only be a burden. Return to Jerusalem. Tell Absalom,

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<v Speaker 2>I will now be your advisor, o King, just as

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<v Speaker 2>I was your father's advisor in the past. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you can frustrate and counter the fel's advice. Zadok and

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<v Speaker 2>the Biathar are the priests will be there. Tell them

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<v Speaker 2>about the plans being made in the King's palace, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll send their sons to him As and Jonathan to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what's going on. So David's friend Hushai returned

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<v Speaker 2>to Jerusalem, getting there justice Absolum arrived. Dude, this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a soap opera. It's crazy. Yeah, people say all

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<v Speaker 2>to him, Oh, I have a hard time reading the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a hard time staying interested. Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you one thing I have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time doing is listening to you. Butcher all those words.

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<v Speaker 2>But your what words? What words? Did I mess up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you did a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to But.

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<v Speaker 1>I will bet you. I will bet you that as

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<v Speaker 1>these are terrible names. Come on, these are terrible name

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<v Speaker 1>the people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just reading them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like, do you really believe it's I?

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<v Speaker 2>Usually that's you have to say all of the there's

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<v Speaker 2>some version of whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>What if it's a die?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what if it's that? Yeah? Usually it's you have

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<v Speaker 2>to say all the vowels.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I will say this. I am once again, all

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<v Speaker 1>the all of our dedicated listeners know what I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I am incredibly thankful. Especially when you read

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<v Speaker 1>this patches today. I was like, I would never ever

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<v Speaker 1>be able to come close to pronouncing these words. You

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<v Speaker 1>did a really good job.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, then I'm the king. Also told that

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<v Speaker 2>guy the priest. Look here here's my planing. You and

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<v Speaker 2>the other guy. Yes, that's what I should go and

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<v Speaker 2>do this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't matter. I mean, other than you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have knowledge, right, But other than that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you can read it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm saying most of these names right. But yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually when you read a Hebrew name, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>say the or a middle Eastern name. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>say all of the all the syllables in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you what this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean all the.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being a kid and reading the Old Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>not a you know, elementary school kid, but like in

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<v Speaker 1>high school, and I remember thinking to myself, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like these names of the cities and these names of

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<v Speaker 1>people are just crazy. And I'm thankful for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>names in the Bible that still sound normal, like Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>and Caleb and Matthew and Mark and Luke and you

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<v Speaker 1>know things that we still hear today, right, even Hayesus. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but but you know Zadok and it t I and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all these different things are just just crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to me. So anyway, had to point that out. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but the soap opera part of it does make it

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<v Speaker 1>easier to read. Besides the names.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes such a good movie. Right, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of there's a lot of intrigue. Now, David introduces intrigue.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolom has introduced rebellion. He's introduced like this subversiveness that's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>this this underground kind of thing. But David introduces intrigue.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so it's interesting because he's kind of fallen asleep

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<v Speaker 2>at the wheel. Over these last eight years, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>during this entire story time, not one victory has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't read one Psalm during this time. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything during the time from the time of Amnon

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<v Speaker 2>to the time of Absolom rising up and committing this

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<v Speaker 2>coup against his father. There was nothing else included about

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<v Speaker 2>David's conquests or things. He was a conqueror, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a man of action. And for eight years you got

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<v Speaker 2>David kind of sitting on his hands, and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, when the pressure gets on, immediately he

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to old David. All right, here's what we

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<v Speaker 2>need to do. We need to get out of the

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<v Speaker 2>city because I don't want the city wiped out. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>God will bring me back. Hey, I want to ark

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<v Speaker 2>the God with us, ark of God with us as

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<v Speaker 2>we begin the journey. But send it back. I think

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<v Speaker 2>God's going to bring me back. But here's what I need.

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<v Speaker 2>I need somebody in the court of Absolom that can

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<v Speaker 2>twist the knowledge. So he's getting bad advice, so he

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<v Speaker 2>sends spies back into Absolom's absoloms court. He just immediately

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<v Speaker 2>wakes up and goes, all right, I don't want my

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<v Speaker 2>city destroy, so I'm going to leave, so the battle's

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<v Speaker 2>not in the city. And then I need somebody inside

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<v Speaker 2>the court to be able to lead Absolom in a

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<v Speaker 2>bad way. He just immediately is on top of his game. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty amazing, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to once again I am impressed with Absolom

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<v Speaker 1>because it starts off what you just read was a

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<v Speaker 1>messenger soon arrived in Jerusalem to tell David all of

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's joined Absolom in the conspiracy against you. And then

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<v Speaker 1>David's immediate response, and you're probably right, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it was the protection of the people. But he says,

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<v Speaker 1>then we must flee it once or it'll be too late. Hurry,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get out of the city before Absoloum arrives. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that in there there must be a respect that

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<v Speaker 1>David has, knowing how cunning his son is. Right, he's

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed it, he's seen it, maybe he's heard about it,

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, that is a sign of respect where

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<v Speaker 1>David's like, well, if I know Absolom, he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>executed and pulled the trigger on this unless he thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to win, and so I know that

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<v Speaker 1>the probably the best course of action is to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and regroup. Right, Let's go. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and regroup, because I know if I

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<v Speaker 1>try to stay in challenge, I'm probably gonna lose because

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<v Speaker 1>Absolom is that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and he knows that. Yeah, I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that we've ever seen David think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose anything, right, right, And I'm not even sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he thinks he's gonna lose this because he

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<v Speaker 2>sent the Ark of the Covenant back and said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think God's going to bring me back here. Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But what he does know is that Absolom has no

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<v Speaker 2>quit in him, right, So if we fight in this city,

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be nothing to live, nothing, nothing to come back to.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get out of the city. One. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>the women and the children and everybody out. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to protect them. And then he's got this little army

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<v Speaker 2>here of these guys from Gath and some of the

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<v Speaker 2>others that had stayed with him, and he's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well this is enough. We can win this. But we

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<v Speaker 2>just don't want the battle in the city, the city,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, There's there's always that tension when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you follow God's will in anything, right, whether you're a

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<v Speaker 1>leader of a church or whether you're just a not

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<v Speaker 1>just but or also a leader of your family, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always that tension between like, Okay, what we do what

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<v Speaker 1>we can do, and then we depend on God to

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<v Speaker 1>do what only God can do. Right. And so it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting as you were talking about like David's motives of

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<v Speaker 1>like what's his motive for getting out of the city,

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<v Speaker 1>what's his motive of going back in the city. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fun to talk about those things, Yeah, because I read

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<v Speaker 1>them maybe perhaps with a little bit different perception. When

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<v Speaker 1>when when David, when David says, well, let me send

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<v Speaker 1>the arc back because I believe I'm gonna go back there,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a tendency to think that wasn't a strategy

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<v Speaker 1>comment or a confidence comment, that was a God's in

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<v Speaker 1>control comment. Right. So he's like, he's like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that God is going to eventually do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how yet, but I'm gonna send the

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<v Speaker 1>arc back. But see, I believe that getting out of

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<v Speaker 1>the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he says if the Lord sees fit, he'll bring

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<v Speaker 2>me back, right. But I think he believed the Lord

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<v Speaker 2>would see fit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because because he set the arc back, believing he

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<v Speaker 2>Yeh, because we all know how much power the arc carried.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, for sure. And then but getting out of

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<v Speaker 1>the city was a strategy thing, right, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>reactive thing, and so uh, it was just it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the wise thing to do is to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of the city, and and it could be both

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<v Speaker 2>Some of his concubines in the palace too, Hey, take

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<v Speaker 2>care of stuff. I think he thought this was just

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<v Speaker 2>a let's get out, let's absolute. Let ab some realize

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<v Speaker 2>there's really no reason to come into the city. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>calm down, I'll come back in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, you're You're right, it could it

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<v Speaker 1>could be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think as a dad, I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to hurt his son, right, that's that much is

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<v Speaker 2>for subsl I'm already burned down Joe Abs. Uh thing

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<v Speaker 2>the Joe Abb being the toughest fighter in the most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful general in Israel, and he burns down his field

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<v Speaker 2>just because he's ticked off at Joe app and I

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<v Speaker 2>think David just has a sense, oh, you know, absolom right,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a wide, widespread rebellion in David's perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's only Hebron, but in David's perspective, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>over the whole country and all that. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>he thought, here's what you have. You have the wise

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<v Speaker 2>old master and the young pretender. And I think David

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<v Speaker 2>just strategically went, all right, let's give him nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>fight for. You've been in Israel, You've been in that part.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes there's that deep Kidron valley. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>goes up and he peeks out on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>mount of Olives. There's this steep thing. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>you leave the other side of amount of olives, you

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<v Speaker 2>go down towards what you know, Jesus would go to

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<v Speaker 2>Bethany or whatever. And from that place on you're heading

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<v Speaker 2>towards just there's nothing out there, right, nothing. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>like god forsaken land. Yeah, little valleys and hills and

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<v Speaker 2>crevices and caves. And so David is clearly heading that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sending the message to his son, I'm disappearing like

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<v Speaker 2>a ghost. You're not gonna find me. And there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in Jerusalem. And the previous capital of Israel had been Hebron.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where David set up his kingdom first time. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think what he's trying to do is

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<v Speaker 2>make it Jerusalem as unattractive as possible. And I'm not there,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're probably not going to find me in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>so or out and it wasn't the woods. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to find me out in the desert. He just disappears,

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<v Speaker 2>but he clearly he leaves ten of his concubines. He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come back. He wanted his palace maintained. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>keep it clingings might come back, right, That's what I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's doing there. But the amazing thing here for

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<v Speaker 2>me is that David woke up. Man. If David had

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<v Speaker 2>just seen the danger eight years ago, right, everything would

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<v Speaker 2>have been different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pay attention to your kids. Yeah in this case, right,

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<v Speaker 1>your job, well, your job, your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all mixed in with the quit fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he quit.

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<v Speaker 2>It was even before that then, more than eight years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>This might have been a decade before he chose not

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<v Speaker 2>to go to war. Like my battles are done. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just with somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, out of all fairness, it did take him

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years to finally, you know, get to be king

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<v Speaker 1>over all of Israel, and it said that there was

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<v Speaker 1>actually an acknowledgment where he finally fought his last battle

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<v Speaker 1>and wiped out his last enemy that was given to

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<v Speaker 1>him as an assignment, so he did sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was finally fifteen years to become king and

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<v Speaker 2>then he reigned for forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking he was thirty years old, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so that's right, so it was really fifteen years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was thirty years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just to but.

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<v Speaker 2>God hadn't spoken to him out loud and said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to let you build the temple. You're

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<v Speaker 2>a man of war, right, He did say, here, a

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<v Speaker 2>man of war, and to be honest with you. While

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<v Speaker 2>David had peace everywhere, he had not vanquished all the enemies, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so all of what was supposed to be Israel he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't vanquish at all either. He just worked out peace

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<v Speaker 2>in some of the areas that he stopped fighting in

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<v Speaker 2>because he was so dominant. But he didn't wipe them

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<v Speaker 2>out and take possession of the whole land. He just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stop. We were in a conversation recently talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a friend that there was a point in his

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<v Speaker 2>life he just had the world biased by the tail.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just everything he did was moving God's kingdom forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Just had this strong and then came to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where suddenly he felt tired and old and took his

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<v Speaker 2>foot off the gas and quickly faded. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember just thinking, wow, the same week we had that conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and we love this person. I'm not talking badly about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just saw it's David, is what I think here. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, I know a lady, she's eighty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>who a few years ago was really slipping physically, got

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<v Speaker 2>turned onto this idea becoming a disciple maker, making disciple makers.

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<v Speaker 2>She began to learn about this idea of how to

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<v Speaker 2>start discovery Bible studies in little groups, you know, five

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen people that nobody else is paying attention to, who's

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<v Speaker 2>God sending you away? How to share your faith, how

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<v Speaker 2>to begin discipling them, and how to disciple them to

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<v Speaker 2>go also do the same thing. And now this eighty

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<v Speaker 2>year old woman is so on fire for God. She

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<v Speaker 2>has this Bible study that she's leading this small group

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<v Speaker 2>that she's led a bunch of people together in the

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<v Speaker 2>senior center in town. Well, and they now they give

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<v Speaker 2>her a room. She's not having to pay for anything there,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are just coming to this group. So she

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<v Speaker 2>decides she moves into a senior living center. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a retirement home, it's not a nursing home. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a retirement home. Like the whole apartment building is all

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<v Speaker 2>people over fifty five. So she gets to talk in

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<v Speaker 2>with the activities director and says, hey, how come there's

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<v Speaker 2>no Bibles out of here? Well you should. An activity

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<v Speaker 2>director is a Christian. So she launches this thing. She's

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<v Speaker 2>got this dynamic Bible study going on in her thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's another senior apartment building across the parking lot. So

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<v Speaker 2>it came say, hey, you know there's not an apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now this eight year old woman is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going hard. I've got this mission. And we

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<v Speaker 2>were just with her the other day and where I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like she was fading five years ago, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this woman looks like she's going to go forever

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<v Speaker 2>because she had a cause, she had a mission, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I see with this guy with David,

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<v Speaker 2>is he chose not to go to war. He decided

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<v Speaker 2>to take his foot off the gas. He gets into sin.

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<v Speaker 2>That sin then ruins his reputation, brings this curse into

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<v Speaker 2>his family. His sons go down the same way. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got like this ten year window where he took his

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<v Speaker 2>foot off the gas. And suddenly in this crisis, he

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<v Speaker 2>wakes up and he'd spies in the court, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to retreat and not get our city destroyed. He immediately

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<v Speaker 2>wakes Oh, man, if he just hadn't slept there in

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<v Speaker 2>those five years or ten years, yeah, everything would have

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<v Speaker 2>been different. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a good lesson. It's a good lesson for

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<v Speaker 1>all of us. So there's a lot of little sermons

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<v Speaker 1>in this lagot.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the gas. Just because you accomplished one thing doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean you're done. God's got more for you. Keep going, there,

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<v Speaker 2>you go, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, that's our time. So hopefully we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you on Monday. On the Bible Gush