WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.041 --> 00:00:26.691 Anke: Hello and welcome, Monique. 00:00:26.751 --> 00:00:28.401 I'm super excited to have you here. 00:00:29.501 --> 00:00:30.561 Monique: Thank you, Anke. 00:00:30.591 --> 00:00:32.081 I'm so honored to be here. 00:00:33.071 --> 00:00:34.031 Really, really honored. 00:00:34.061 --> 00:00:35.621 Thank you so much for inviting me. 00:00:35.941 --> 00:00:37.401 Anke: Well, I'm really looking forward to it. 00:00:37.431 --> 00:00:41.201 And the funny thing is, we're actually pretty much in the same time 00:00:41.201 --> 00:00:42.861 zone, which is very unusual for me. 00:00:43.311 --> 00:00:46.351 So, let people know where in this lovely world you are. 00:00:46.411 --> 00:00:48.801 And, as always, what's your business with dogs? 00:00:50.121 --> 00:00:53.251 Monique: So, I live in the Italian part of Switzerland, but 00:00:53.251 --> 00:00:55.221 I work with the entire world. 00:00:56.511 --> 00:01:00.601 And my business, I have a business that's called Animalchemy. 00:01:01.071 --> 00:01:06.451 And Animalchemy is, let's say, the reply to my soul calling, which 00:01:06.451 --> 00:01:12.686 basically, Unite, my love for animals, dogs of course, and my 00:01:12.686 --> 00:01:16.356 deep fascination with the unseen, so let's say the spiritual journey. 00:01:16.996 --> 00:01:23.326 And since dogs are master gurus at helping us become better humans, with 00:01:23.326 --> 00:01:28.346 AnimAlchemy I am bringing together the, let's say, animal medicine with 00:01:28.356 --> 00:01:32.096 the spiritual forces that support people in their journey of awakening. 00:01:34.101 --> 00:01:39.951 Yeah, now I specialize in the end of life because, um, when my dogs and cat, 00:01:40.031 --> 00:01:41.981 ooh, can I speak of cats on a dog show? 00:01:41.981 --> 00:01:42.271 Yes, you can. 00:01:42.681 --> 00:01:46.251 Okay, I said, I said the wrong word on a dog show. 00:01:46.251 --> 00:01:55.051 So what I was saying is that when they were ready to transition I had, like 00:01:55.051 --> 00:02:01.191 so many of us, the hardest of times and the overwhelming grief forced me 00:02:01.191 --> 00:02:06.511 to question You know, how that deep love could turn into so much pain 00:02:08.051 --> 00:02:14.821 and the heartbreak, um, propelled me into studying, uh, over a decade, um, 00:02:14.861 --> 00:02:17.111 in the natural end of life process. 00:02:17.181 --> 00:02:20.531 And I started with a vet, a shaman and Tibetan monks. 00:02:21.301 --> 00:02:25.601 And ultimately I also became a, a human death tooler because the more 00:02:25.601 --> 00:02:27.641 I learned, the more I wanted to know. 00:02:28.661 --> 00:02:33.611 But I have to confess that it was our great Dane Daya that brought 00:02:34.021 --> 00:02:38.581 All of these teachings to life, uh, during her end of life journey. 00:02:39.061 --> 00:02:45.401 And that is actually how, um, my unique approach got, uh, you know, got shaped. 00:02:45.431 --> 00:02:48.921 And, uh, and it actually redefines how the end of life is lived. 00:02:49.441 --> 00:02:52.681 And it was so funny because she was, uh, she was on an end of life 00:02:52.681 --> 00:02:56.961 journey and because she's in a great day and It was so, it was difficult, 00:02:56.961 --> 00:03:00.161 you know, we were going like, okay, how do we, how do we deal with this? 00:03:00.561 --> 00:03:05.181 And then the vet came, and the usual, you know, things, let's do euthanasia. 00:03:06.171 --> 00:03:11.371 But the reason was, well, let's do euthanasia now, because, um, she's a 00:03:11.371 --> 00:03:13.151 Great Dane, and we can't really move her. 00:03:13.201 --> 00:03:16.821 And so my mum, you know, asked, is she in pain? 00:03:17.171 --> 00:03:21.191 And, and, and the vet said, oh, oh, no, no, she's not in pain. 00:03:21.211 --> 00:03:24.101 She's just a great day, and she's just a big dog, and I don't know 00:03:24.101 --> 00:03:25.891 if I can come another day, right? 00:03:26.491 --> 00:03:29.771 And that wasn't really the premise is to go like, okay. 00:03:29.771 --> 00:03:30.591 Oh, yes, okay. 00:03:30.591 --> 00:03:33.741 Let's euthanize now, because she may not be able to come another day. 00:03:34.331 --> 00:03:38.656 But that That was so serendipitous because I was there with all of 00:03:38.656 --> 00:03:42.246 my, all of my studies, all of my notes from all of these different 00:03:42.256 --> 00:03:44.496 things that were all separate, Anke. 00:03:44.916 --> 00:03:48.496 But then, uh, through her end of life journey, I was having 00:03:48.496 --> 00:03:50.226 all of these, Oh, look at this. 00:03:50.286 --> 00:03:50.916 Oh, look at that. 00:03:50.936 --> 00:03:52.796 This is, this is what's going to happen. 00:03:52.796 --> 00:03:55.241 And I would take my notes and I go, I would go to my mom. 00:03:55.631 --> 00:03:59.891 And say, I think this is what should happen next, right? 00:04:00.261 --> 00:04:03.041 And, uh, and she would go like, okay. 00:04:03.391 --> 00:04:07.241 And then I would say, okay, now I think that, that you should say goodbye. 00:04:07.291 --> 00:04:11.291 Now, I was just saying things like that and grabbing all my notes and, 00:04:11.321 --> 00:04:16.781 and Daya was just doing every step one after the other so precisely. 00:04:16.801 --> 00:04:17.641 She was amazing. 00:04:17.711 --> 00:04:18.681 She was amazing. 00:04:18.741 --> 00:04:19.351 Amazing. 00:04:20.191 --> 00:04:21.511 So, yeah. 00:04:21.861 --> 00:04:23.241 Oh, it was lovely, yeah. 00:04:24.031 --> 00:04:26.471 Anke: I mean, I mean, I've had like, these are my four, and the 00:04:26.471 --> 00:04:29.421 first two have crossed the bridge, so I've been through it twice. 00:04:30.401 --> 00:04:35.931 And I'm curious about those steps, you know, especially if you're 00:04:35.931 --> 00:04:37.711 saying that they're so predictable. 00:04:38.151 --> 00:04:39.961 Monique: Oh, yeah, so yes and no. 00:04:39.991 --> 00:04:44.361 Okay, so I actually studied the natural end of life, which is something 00:04:44.361 --> 00:04:48.711 that vets don't study, because vets are great at keeping animals alive. 00:04:49.036 --> 00:04:52.326 They're amazing at doing that, that's their job, but they haven't studied in 00:04:52.326 --> 00:04:56.296 school, they haven't studied what happens in the natural end of life process. 00:04:56.626 --> 00:05:03.666 Now, in the last cycle, uh, what happens is when the body always tries 00:05:03.666 --> 00:05:08.586 to survive, to be, you know, to, to, to, um, uh, always tries to come 00:05:08.586 --> 00:05:10.426 back to life, always, always, always. 00:05:10.896 --> 00:05:14.911 But then there comes a point where the body, It realizes it's dying, it's 00:05:14.921 --> 00:05:19.071 the end, and from that point there is no return, and that is called the 00:05:19.071 --> 00:05:21.421 last cycle, the active phase of dying. 00:05:21.851 --> 00:05:27.431 And in that, and in that cycle, now it's the same for all beings, it's the same 00:05:27.431 --> 00:05:31.881 for humans, it's the same for animals, and that's what Daya helped me to see, right? 00:05:31.936 --> 00:05:33.326 It was the same for animals. 00:05:33.376 --> 00:05:37.346 And those are very, there are very predictable stages. 00:05:37.366 --> 00:05:41.096 Now, they're not predictable in the sense of this is going to happen 00:05:41.096 --> 00:05:44.486 first, this is going to happen second, this is going to happen third. 00:05:44.576 --> 00:05:45.676 In theory, yes. 00:05:45.676 --> 00:05:48.236 In practical, nothing is going to be like that. 00:05:48.636 --> 00:05:55.476 But the reason that it was so in line and linear with Daya was that that helped 00:05:55.476 --> 00:05:58.456 me to, to, to remember those things. 00:05:58.456 --> 00:06:02.091 And then, You know, get them from all the teachings that I've studied. 00:06:02.691 --> 00:06:08.041 And, uh, and so what happens is there are these phases that are based on 00:06:08.051 --> 00:06:09.641 the elements, the five elements. 00:06:10.071 --> 00:06:13.631 And, you know, for example, the earth phase is when animals or people 00:06:13.641 --> 00:06:16.251 start walking slower, for example. 00:06:16.251 --> 00:06:16.541 Right? 00:06:16.541 --> 00:06:20.481 So the end of life doesn't start, doesn't start, you know, it's not 00:06:20.481 --> 00:06:22.741 like, um, it's not a time and a date. 00:06:22.921 --> 00:06:23.951 This is what I always teach. 00:06:23.951 --> 00:06:25.041 It's not a time and a date. 00:06:25.041 --> 00:06:27.291 We always feel it's a time and a date, but it's not. 00:06:27.611 --> 00:06:28.911 Because in the same way, the. 00:06:29.146 --> 00:06:34.016 Our puppies came into this world and they didn't just appear like that, right? 00:06:34.296 --> 00:06:36.986 They didn't just say, okay, I'm bing bong, boom, right? 00:06:37.066 --> 00:06:38.426 It's a time and a date, boom. 00:06:38.436 --> 00:06:38.806 No. 00:06:39.146 --> 00:06:41.956 There was like, there's like, I call it this intelligence that is 00:06:41.976 --> 00:06:45.926 within our bodies that creates our beating hearts, that creates the 00:06:45.926 --> 00:06:49.546 paws, and that creates the whiskers, and creates the ears, you know? 00:06:50.066 --> 00:06:54.016 All of those things that I wouldn't know how to do all of that, right? 00:06:54.076 --> 00:06:55.056 We don't do that. 00:06:55.441 --> 00:06:55.791 Right? 00:06:56.011 --> 00:06:57.001 But it's so funny. 00:06:57.061 --> 00:07:00.971 We let Mother Nature create us and we know there's a process. 00:07:00.971 --> 00:07:06.721 We don't open up, uh, you know, a dog that is, that is, uh, you know, before the two, 00:07:06.751 --> 00:07:08.721 you know, the, the, the puppies are ready. 00:07:08.721 --> 00:07:13.021 We wait until their, the mother's body delivers the puppies. 00:07:13.561 --> 00:07:17.111 Because we know, we trust Mother Nature will deliver them and when 00:07:17.111 --> 00:07:20.046 they're ready, when they are, you know, at the right point, right? 00:07:20.086 --> 00:07:21.246 We don't go like, oh, you know what? 00:07:21.536 --> 00:07:22.306 It's Thursday. 00:07:22.306 --> 00:07:25.656 Let me, let me do this because it's, you know, I prefer that 00:07:25.656 --> 00:07:27.446 they were born now with humans. 00:07:27.456 --> 00:07:30.356 They started doing that because they were doing the caesareans. 00:07:30.871 --> 00:07:34.701 And I know a lot of people that say, oh yeah, I want my son to be born 00:07:34.701 --> 00:07:36.321 on the 1st of April or whatever. 00:07:36.331 --> 00:07:38.031 And that's, you know, that's what's happened. 00:07:38.291 --> 00:07:43.701 However, going back to Mother Nature, we all have, there's this intelligence 00:07:43.701 --> 00:07:48.601 that runs within our bodies that is there since we are born to when we die. 00:07:48.941 --> 00:07:53.336 Yet at the end of life, If we don't know what to do or we go like oh, 00:07:53.366 --> 00:07:57.316 I've received the terminal diagnosis, so boom, we give the responsibility 00:07:57.316 --> 00:07:59.016 over to our pets, our vets. 00:08:00.046 --> 00:08:03.756 Which also are going like well, you know, if I can't keep the animal 00:08:03.756 --> 00:08:07.166 alive then I need to kill the animal. 00:08:07.446 --> 00:08:07.866 Right. 00:08:07.926 --> 00:08:09.426 So that's the only way to do. 00:08:09.816 --> 00:08:13.106 Yet nature has also another way, right? 00:08:13.286 --> 00:08:17.006 Which is the same process of being born, but it's the other way around. 00:08:17.006 --> 00:08:20.686 It's the same door, same doorway, but it's the other way around. 00:08:21.176 --> 00:08:27.226 Now you usually, we, we learn this even with our pe we know with people, we 00:08:27.226 --> 00:08:33.346 learn how to take care of the dying in our homes and, uh, and help them pass 00:08:33.346 --> 00:08:35.266 because it's not Ave medical event. 00:08:35.266 --> 00:08:36.976 It's a highly spiritual event. 00:08:37.356 --> 00:08:37.776 Right? 00:08:38.046 --> 00:08:41.106 And so when we know how to do that, and we're able to become, and we 00:08:41.106 --> 00:08:44.686 know, we know all of the things, all, all of the steps, what's happening, 00:08:44.686 --> 00:08:49.346 so that we're not scared, we know what they are truly living, then 00:08:49.376 --> 00:08:53.296 that gives us an ability to be able to support them in the end of life. 00:08:54.046 --> 00:08:56.276 And that doesn't mean that we never use euthanasia. 00:08:56.326 --> 00:08:57.986 I've never had to use it again. 00:08:58.096 --> 00:09:01.416 But that doesn't mean that if you want to use it, you can use it, right? 00:09:01.921 --> 00:09:07.031 But the great thing of knowing all of these things is that we are 00:09:07.711 --> 00:09:10.881 Anke: totally, I think that's a massive, massive piece. 00:09:10.881 --> 00:09:15.961 Because when I'm thinking back, actually my biggest worry before I, 00:09:16.221 --> 00:09:19.671 like before I actually have actually been through the process, you know, 00:09:19.671 --> 00:09:25.061 when you kind of sit there imagining what it will be, my biggest concern. 00:09:25.561 --> 00:09:28.561 has always been, how will I know? 00:09:29.521 --> 00:09:30.831 How will I know? 00:09:30.971 --> 00:09:35.131 Because the last thing I want to do is kill off a dog who 00:09:35.161 --> 00:09:36.461 just had a bit of a bad day. 00:09:37.811 --> 00:09:47.131 But I also almost like, like at least as much I want to avoid making a dog 00:09:47.151 --> 00:09:52.901 hang in there beyond the natural like, you know, just because I can't let go. 00:09:53.431 --> 00:09:53.711 Yeah. 00:09:53.771 --> 00:09:58.681 You know, so it's almost like, where do you, how do you, funny enough. 00:09:58.921 --> 00:10:02.591 And interestingly enough, both of them made it actually really clear. 00:10:02.591 --> 00:10:06.821 In the end that wasn't even a, that wasn't actually a problem. 00:10:07.131 --> 00:10:10.981 But it's also that piece of, like, you don't want them to suffer, right. 00:10:10.981 --> 00:10:17.091 And I don't want them to suffer longer than strictly necessary, just because I 00:10:17.291 --> 00:10:18.951 would love them to live forever, right. 00:10:19.341 --> 00:10:23.521 So, what are some signs that you find people Oh. 00:10:24.416 --> 00:10:28.506 That are normal that people don't know about and may misunderstand or misjudge. 00:10:28.756 --> 00:10:29.576 Monique: Absolutely. 00:10:29.606 --> 00:10:34.606 So all of the signs that we find on the quality of life table that we 00:10:34.606 --> 00:10:38.556 go to vets and they say, you know, if you tick all the boxes, then 00:10:38.566 --> 00:10:40.926 the life is no longer worth living. 00:10:41.876 --> 00:10:47.016 For all of those, there is a Natural reason for that to happen 00:10:47.066 --> 00:10:48.836 and it's a non painful reason. 00:10:49.226 --> 00:10:55.726 So, for example, um, one of the things, a lot of people say, okay, when the eyes 00:10:55.756 --> 00:10:59.346 are not, um, you know, when they look, when you look at your pet's eyes and 00:10:59.346 --> 00:11:00.786 you see that they're not there, right? 00:11:00.796 --> 00:11:01.646 That's a sign. 00:11:02.346 --> 00:11:07.861 Well, um, That, that means that, that basically is meaning, you see at the 00:11:07.861 --> 00:11:12.061 end of life what happens is the soul keeps getting out of the body and they 00:11:12.061 --> 00:11:14.541 start to get used to the other side. 00:11:14.551 --> 00:11:17.301 So they keep going in and out and in and out and in and out. 00:11:17.711 --> 00:11:20.131 So they spend a lot of time on the other side. 00:11:20.471 --> 00:11:24.271 And so, some of the times, yes, they're not there because they are, 00:11:24.331 --> 00:11:28.051 they are, they are, you know, also visiting the other side, right? 00:11:30.201 --> 00:11:33.991 But that doesn't mean that because they went to visit where their next 00:11:33.991 --> 00:11:38.101 home is going to be that we need to end their lives so that they can go. 00:11:38.601 --> 00:11:40.621 It's like, it's like, okay, you know what? 00:11:40.621 --> 00:11:43.061 Let me just check out how my new place is. 00:11:43.411 --> 00:11:47.051 So that when they arrive on the other side, it's not, it's not, um, 00:11:47.261 --> 00:11:51.301 imagine if you just, if you're just like tele transported now, just in a 00:11:51.301 --> 00:11:55.391 moment in the Himalayas, as you are right now, and you go like, what, 00:11:56.231 --> 00:11:59.421 what, what, what am I doing right? 00:11:59.481 --> 00:12:02.501 So the end of life process is exactly that. 00:12:02.501 --> 00:12:07.541 It's getting used, it's for the animal to get, well us, to get used to the 00:12:07.541 --> 00:12:09.471 new environment of where we're going. 00:12:09.821 --> 00:12:13.721 And what better to be in the loving energies of the person 00:12:13.721 --> 00:12:15.361 that we love the most, right? 00:12:15.361 --> 00:12:18.751 If you can hold your dog and be, it's okay my love, right? 00:12:18.751 --> 00:12:21.101 Because then when they come back in the body they might go like, 00:12:21.521 --> 00:12:22.831 Oh my goodness, what's happening? 00:12:23.431 --> 00:12:25.021 And they might go, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. 00:12:25.401 --> 00:12:27.671 And then immediately, ah, they're in pain, they're suffering, 00:12:27.671 --> 00:12:28.621 they're suffering, right? 00:12:28.891 --> 00:12:32.061 And that's when we take them and again, we run to the vet, right? 00:12:32.481 --> 00:12:37.191 But again, we need to realize that when a body is dying, like 00:12:37.191 --> 00:12:39.891 I said, do you remember that last cycle that I was telling you? 00:12:40.211 --> 00:12:43.051 That's the point of the body knows that there's no return. 00:12:43.711 --> 00:12:49.361 So, it activates the going back home elements, which are contrary 00:12:49.361 --> 00:12:54.151 to the staying here on this earth elements, which is, you know, pain. 00:12:54.181 --> 00:12:57.781 Pain helps you to go like, Monique, take that hand off of the fire, right? 00:12:58.431 --> 00:13:01.831 If the body's dying, why would pain need to happen? 00:13:02.191 --> 00:13:03.611 No pain, right? 00:13:04.251 --> 00:13:08.851 So a lot of things that we see, we see a lot of pain when we see them like yowl, 00:13:08.891 --> 00:13:12.951 cats, I know, sorry, I'm talking about cats again, but that's, that's right, 00:13:12.951 --> 00:13:15.131 Anke: that's right, nothing against cats. 00:13:15.621 --> 00:13:19.771 Monique: Yeah, maybe dogs whine a bit sometimes and immediately, 00:13:19.781 --> 00:13:24.151 you know, we go into pain and yes, 100%, if that happens in the, not 00:13:24.181 --> 00:13:28.781 in the last cycle, that's 100%, like go to the vet yesterday, not now. 00:13:28.821 --> 00:13:29.861 I am, I am not fatigued. 00:13:30.101 --> 00:13:31.491 Holding animals in pain. 00:13:32.201 --> 00:13:37.251 But then, but then in that last cycle, it's, it's what happens to humans as well. 00:13:37.271 --> 00:13:40.821 There's a lot of confusions because like I said, they're over there, 00:13:41.101 --> 00:13:44.751 they're in complete bliss, they don't have a body, they're experiencing 00:13:44.871 --> 00:13:47.971 this unconditional love, and then all of a sudden they go like boom! 00:13:48.281 --> 00:13:50.981 And they're back to these bodies that can't move, you know. 00:13:51.681 --> 00:13:54.781 And they go like, holy crap, really what's happening? 00:13:54.781 --> 00:13:55.021 Right? 00:13:55.341 --> 00:13:58.521 Now, I'm not saying there, there, there's gonna be some discomfort. 00:13:58.521 --> 00:14:02.001 I'm not saying that I, I, I always say that I have a shoulder that's 00:14:02.001 --> 00:14:05.841 painful, and I can tell you that there's a lot of discomfort in that. 00:14:05.841 --> 00:14:10.041 But do I want to end my life short because of my, my pain? 00:14:10.251 --> 00:14:13.491 And I can tell you, I'm, I'm a whi, I'm a drama queen. 00:14:13.491 --> 00:14:14.721 I go like, oh my God. 00:14:14.721 --> 00:14:14.901 Goodness. 00:14:14.901 --> 00:14:20.241 I said so much so . You know, and I, you would've euthanized 00:14:20.241 --> 00:14:21.621 me a long time ago, right? 00:14:22.221 --> 00:14:22.431 ? Yeah. 00:14:22.521 --> 00:14:22.701 Yeah. 00:14:22.701 --> 00:14:22.911 Yeah. 00:14:23.446 --> 00:14:25.886 I'm a euthanizable person, absolutely. 00:14:25.986 --> 00:14:29.756 And when I meditate that I'm not here, you would euthanize me again. 00:14:30.116 --> 00:14:34.846 So, but now I'm joking a bit, but what I'm trying to say is that we 00:14:34.846 --> 00:14:38.346 need to understand what is truly happening at the end of life. 00:14:38.616 --> 00:14:42.836 When we do, we understand A, when it's pain, when it's not, you know, 00:14:42.836 --> 00:14:46.456 when to rush to the vet and when your pet is actually going to die. 00:14:46.476 --> 00:14:53.016 Because the other thing is, If, in the death thing, we look at the body, which 00:14:53.016 --> 00:14:58.606 is the only thing that needs to break down in order for the soul to leave, 00:14:59.046 --> 00:15:04.526 right, and become this whole, go back to the wholeness of what, what they truly 00:15:04.526 --> 00:15:11.796 are, so, uh, we are only focused on the one thing that is breaking down, right? 00:15:11.796 --> 00:15:15.276 When we're able to, to be able to see the bigger picture and see what 00:15:15.276 --> 00:15:19.826 is truly happening, to, to the dog and the experience of the dog because 00:15:19.846 --> 00:15:24.876 the dog may be in a, in a position where they're not like running 00:15:24.916 --> 00:15:28.866 after the ball anymore on, you know, maybe not really breathing badly. 00:15:28.866 --> 00:15:30.426 That's another sign, by the way. 00:15:30.976 --> 00:15:33.306 Uh, but are they, are they in pain? 00:15:33.326 --> 00:15:34.206 Are they suffering? 00:15:34.541 --> 00:15:37.581 No, if you, if you connect with the dog in that moment, they go like, 00:15:37.581 --> 00:15:40.991 oh my goodness, I've never felt better in my entire life, right? 00:15:41.271 --> 00:15:45.791 And animals have that ability to, humans as well. 00:15:45.891 --> 00:15:50.451 You see humans that are bedridden, that are not well, and then they go on 00:15:50.451 --> 00:15:54.111 these journeys and when they come back, they go like, oh my goodness, right? 00:15:54.911 --> 00:15:58.761 So, we really need to understand that, that dying is not just the body. 00:15:58.761 --> 00:16:01.951 In fact, it's not the body, it's all the rest that is happening. 00:16:02.431 --> 00:16:06.021 And when we understand what is happening, then we can better know whether 00:16:06.021 --> 00:16:09.151 to rush to the vet or not, right? 00:16:09.391 --> 00:16:09.901 Anke: That makes sense. 00:16:11.361 --> 00:16:13.431 Monique: You know, imagine if you're the soul and you're 00:16:13.431 --> 00:16:14.791 trying to leave the body, right? 00:16:14.791 --> 00:16:17.671 And you go like, okay, this is a, and then maybe you get like 00:16:17.671 --> 00:16:19.231 convulsions is another thing. 00:16:19.591 --> 00:16:24.511 Because the, there's this magnetic field that holds the, the, the, holds 00:16:24.511 --> 00:16:26.041 everything together in the body. 00:16:26.241 --> 00:16:29.691 And sometimes the soul needs a little kick to get out, right? 00:16:29.951 --> 00:16:34.311 And so sometimes we see these movements that are really scary to watch. 00:16:34.701 --> 00:16:40.221 But it's the movement of, you know, of the soul like, you know, like moving, right? 00:16:40.221 --> 00:16:41.481 And trying to detach. 00:16:41.491 --> 00:16:45.281 Because There's all of the chakras that are dissolving, all of the energy 00:16:45.281 --> 00:16:47.301 fields that are, that are dissolving. 00:16:47.301 --> 00:16:51.031 So all of these, all of these things are happening invisible to our eyes. 00:16:51.371 --> 00:16:53.551 And when we know what, don't know what is happening. 00:16:53.551 --> 00:16:57.771 So and I, so imagine that, that you're the, you're in the body, you're, 00:16:57.871 --> 00:16:59.601 your soul is ready to leave, right? 00:16:59.601 --> 00:17:00.721 So you're about to leave. 00:17:00.981 --> 00:17:05.181 And then in that moment, they pick you up and they take you where? 00:17:05.271 --> 00:17:09.151 To the worst place that you, that you've always hated your 00:17:09.151 --> 00:17:11.091 entire life at the vet's office. 00:17:11.091 --> 00:17:12.351 That's Right? 00:17:12.891 --> 00:17:17.341 And that, that is, that can never be a peaceful end of life, right? 00:17:17.521 --> 00:17:20.461 Because that is the worst place that a vet wants to, that a dog 00:17:20.461 --> 00:17:22.501 wants to be, at the vet, right? 00:17:22.791 --> 00:17:28.676 And so I feel that it's our responsibility to learn how about this phase, so that 00:17:29.126 --> 00:17:34.806 when we can, when we, you know, when, when we can, then we can, we can allow 00:17:34.806 --> 00:17:39.696 them to be home, because we know, oh, this phase is, means that the A, 00:17:39.726 --> 00:17:41.876 they're not feeling pain anymore, right? 00:17:41.876 --> 00:17:43.926 And so now, one relaxes. 00:17:44.276 --> 00:17:45.916 Oh yes, they move the legs. 00:17:45.926 --> 00:17:47.236 I know what that means. 00:17:47.486 --> 00:17:49.996 Oh yes, they're breathing, uh, differently. 00:17:49.996 --> 00:17:52.606 Oh, I know that this, this is what's happening. 00:17:52.866 --> 00:17:55.686 Oh, now I'm going to prepare, I'm going to tell them that I love them. 00:17:56.006 --> 00:17:58.296 And you know, all of these moments, Anke. 00:17:58.631 --> 00:18:02.021 becomes a moment of connection, of deep love. 00:18:02.471 --> 00:18:07.781 And I, and I say that it's like, uh, we create a bridge across forever because now 00:18:07.781 --> 00:18:12.481 the, the love connection, which is our, the, the, the relationship of us and our 00:18:12.481 --> 00:18:14.501 pets is built on this love connection. 00:18:14.501 --> 00:18:18.473 Now it's, uh, it's strengthened because we are there when they're 00:18:18.473 --> 00:18:21.181 most, when they most need us. 00:18:22.021 --> 00:18:22.931 Anke: For sure, for sure. 00:18:23.431 --> 00:18:25.071 So it's, it is beautiful. 00:18:25.071 --> 00:18:27.091 It's, I mean, there's like, I'm kind of all teary, but 00:18:27.971 --> 00:18:29.341 there's so much beauty in this. 00:18:29.751 --> 00:18:30.321 Monique: Yeah. 00:18:32.691 --> 00:18:32.991 Anke: So I'm 00:18:33.481 --> 00:18:33.811 Monique: curious. 00:18:35.191 --> 00:18:38.841 May I just say one important thing that I really, this is really important. 00:18:39.301 --> 00:18:44.051 Whatever we've done in the past, we didn't know these things and animals. 00:18:44.121 --> 00:18:48.651 And you know, that like they're now in a, in a state where everything is perfect. 00:18:48.651 --> 00:18:49.031 Right. 00:18:49.401 --> 00:18:51.081 And animals don't have that. 00:18:51.476 --> 00:18:56.716 That part of the brain that we have that, that reasons and that says, that judges. 00:18:57.181 --> 00:18:57.611 Right? 00:18:57.731 --> 00:18:58.931 They don't have all of that. 00:18:58.931 --> 00:19:00.151 You know, you know what? 00:19:00.151 --> 00:19:02.011 You should have took me to the vet earlier. 00:19:02.011 --> 00:19:03.451 You know what? 00:19:03.451 --> 00:19:06.961 You're a really bad, you know, all of that is just human BS. 00:19:07.001 --> 00:19:07.371 Anke: Yeah. 00:19:07.781 --> 00:19:08.041 Yeah. 00:19:08.051 --> 00:19:08.751 No, for sure. 00:19:08.791 --> 00:19:09.111 For sure. 00:19:09.111 --> 00:19:10.681 Just see, I'm curious. 00:19:11.711 --> 00:19:12.281 I'm curious. 00:19:12.311 --> 00:19:15.131 Cause I remember actually there's an Instagram account where 00:19:15.131 --> 00:19:20.021 there is, um, like there's a, there's a, I think hospice nurse. 00:19:20.071 --> 00:19:21.391 That's, that was the word, right? 00:19:21.391 --> 00:19:22.391 So she's a hospice nurse. 00:19:22.421 --> 00:19:27.506 And she talks about, What this process looks like in people, right? 00:19:27.506 --> 00:19:30.406 And she often like does these little reels where she goes, you know, 00:19:30.406 --> 00:19:35.116 like family members often complain that we don't give them water. 00:19:35.706 --> 00:19:38.086 And she goes, well, because that's not helpful. 00:19:38.376 --> 00:19:41.946 And so she explains what, you know, as the body's shutting 00:19:41.946 --> 00:19:43.166 down and all of these things. 00:19:43.166 --> 00:19:43.396 Right. 00:19:43.746 --> 00:19:44.466 So. 00:19:44.476 --> 00:19:44.496 Yeah. 00:19:45.821 --> 00:19:51.451 For a dog, you know, like, how do I know when they enter that last cycle? 00:19:51.891 --> 00:19:57.081 You know, how do I not mix it up with like, oh my god, like, yeah, he's got 00:19:59.256 --> 00:20:03.286 It's like, Oh my God, he must have like seizures and it must be painful versus, 00:20:03.546 --> 00:20:05.546 Oh, so this is part of the last cycle. 00:20:05.746 --> 00:20:10.896 Is there some way that a normal, like uneducated person can recognize that? 00:20:10.896 --> 00:20:11.166 Well, 00:20:11.216 --> 00:20:15.616 Monique: uneducated not in the sense that, uh, we need to, we need to take, 00:20:15.636 --> 00:20:18.706 this is the thing is we need to, if we want to take that responsibility 00:20:18.716 --> 00:20:23.751 in the same way that we go for, uh, You know, a puppy school and we buy, 00:20:24.021 --> 00:20:28.011 uh, pa pee pads for the floors so that they don't ruin our carpets. 00:20:28.011 --> 00:20:32.541 And we, we buy special things, you know, that we, we, we, we invest 00:20:32.631 --> 00:20:34.881 time to go to train the puppies. 00:20:35.121 --> 00:20:38.151 We invest money, we invest, you know, all of this. 00:20:38.151 --> 00:20:39.621 It's the same at the end of life. 00:20:39.621 --> 00:20:43.971 You know, I, I can tell you, I can tell you a few things that can help you. 00:20:44.451 --> 00:20:46.021 Uh, but there's so much. 00:20:46.031 --> 00:20:50.111 My, the, I have a course which is called Walk Your Pet Home and that 00:20:50.161 --> 00:20:52.961 course is actually 82 sessions. 00:20:53.131 --> 00:20:53.451 Anke: Wow. 00:20:54.301 --> 00:20:55.521 So there's a lot, right? 00:20:55.521 --> 00:20:56.151 It's a lot. 00:20:56.151 --> 00:20:58.041 So we're going to obviously pop the link below. 00:20:58.041 --> 00:20:59.151 I'm going to check that out for sure. 00:20:59.151 --> 00:20:59.171 No, 00:20:59.171 --> 00:20:59.861 Monique: absolutely. 00:20:59.891 --> 00:21:02.031 And, and, and it's divided in two. 00:21:02.091 --> 00:21:05.931 So a lot of it is also how to change us because, you know, 00:21:05.931 --> 00:21:08.031 I'm big on, on us evolving. 00:21:08.061 --> 00:21:13.451 And I, and I saw in my own journey how It was my personal transformation that 00:21:13.461 --> 00:21:17.821 helped me to deal with the end of life in a completely different way, right? 00:21:17.971 --> 00:21:20.241 I started to see my pets missions. 00:21:20.471 --> 00:21:22.561 I started to understand why they came to me. 00:21:22.591 --> 00:21:25.191 I started to understand the reason that they had a specific 00:21:25.191 --> 00:21:26.521 illness and not another one. 00:21:26.791 --> 00:21:30.271 I started to understand why they were not dying immediately. 00:21:30.501 --> 00:21:33.341 I started understanding why they were dying really quickly. 00:21:33.571 --> 00:21:37.981 You know, all of these things that make us understand that there is 00:21:37.981 --> 00:21:39.701 a bigger picture and the journey. 00:21:39.771 --> 00:21:42.461 So the first part is all about that, right? 00:21:42.811 --> 00:21:46.431 And then the second part is more of the technical things that I'm, that I was 00:21:46.431 --> 00:21:48.201 speaking to you about, about the cycles. 00:21:48.531 --> 00:21:54.831 So what happens and when the last cycle arrives, um, and, and 00:21:54.831 --> 00:21:56.151 I explain all of these things. 00:21:56.151 --> 00:21:59.521 Now, as I said, it's not, it's not a complete science, right? 00:21:59.801 --> 00:22:03.161 So we have to let our dogs lead the way. 00:22:03.451 --> 00:22:08.431 So for example, if I, I was just, uh, helping, um, um, a pet parent recently 00:22:08.431 --> 00:22:14.331 with a dog, and, uh, she was saying, oh, I'm giving, uh, the homeopathic medicine 00:22:14.331 --> 00:22:19.011 and I'm giving, uh, the water because the, because a pet was breath breathing 00:22:19.011 --> 00:22:24.611 heavily, which is one of the signs to say that's actually the last sign when they 00:22:24.611 --> 00:22:26.531 start breathing different, differently. 00:22:26.941 --> 00:22:29.461 They're very close to the, to the end, right? 00:22:29.721 --> 00:22:33.121 But sometimes that can happen a bit sooner rather than later because 00:22:33.141 --> 00:22:36.301 maybe they have What do you call them? 00:22:36.301 --> 00:22:38.211 Lung difficulties, right? 00:22:38.211 --> 00:22:39.131 Or things like that. 00:22:39.131 --> 00:22:45.061 So and and then she was saying that she was giving, giving water and I 00:22:45.061 --> 00:22:49.516 said, I said just be careful because One of the things that happen is 00:22:49.516 --> 00:22:54.716 the, the, when you give water is the, the, the swallowing reflexes stop. 00:22:55.106 --> 00:22:57.736 And so if you give water, you choke them, right? 00:22:57.996 --> 00:23:00.026 So we need to know all of these things. 00:23:00.086 --> 00:23:01.356 And so how do you know? 00:23:01.616 --> 00:23:03.246 You just offer the water. 00:23:04.276 --> 00:23:05.856 You offer the medicines. 00:23:06.591 --> 00:23:11.481 Right, because we want, the people that don't want to let go, they keep giving, 00:23:11.521 --> 00:23:17.811 I don't know, heart medicine until, until they give euthanasia, right, but it's 00:23:17.811 --> 00:23:22.231 just like that thing about, okay, when you stop the heart medicine, right, you 00:23:22.231 --> 00:23:28.066 can allow them to, to go slowly, but without pain, but if you, if you decide 00:23:28.066 --> 00:23:33.216 to keep the heart medicine going and then you're waiting for them to die, now 00:23:33.216 --> 00:23:37.366 there's two forces that are pushing one against the other because the medicine 00:23:37.366 --> 00:23:38.836 is going, right, come on, you can do it. 00:23:38.866 --> 00:23:40.416 Yeah, let me help you do this. 00:23:40.686 --> 00:23:43.576 And then the body's going like, wait, I don't want to anymore, right? 00:23:43.846 --> 00:23:46.066 And so that's when we see the, the pain. 00:23:46.376 --> 00:23:49.026 A lot of pain comes from when we're not able to let go. 00:23:49.026 --> 00:23:53.411 That's why I'm bringing in all of these, Our, our, how we can change, right? 00:23:53.671 --> 00:23:58.921 There's so many things that, that can help a dying, a dying process. 00:23:59.191 --> 00:24:01.951 But when we, when we're able to start looking at all of these 00:24:01.971 --> 00:24:06.041 things, I can tell you my cats, uh, sorry, I mentioned cats again. 00:24:06.961 --> 00:24:08.061 I know, it's just like, what? 00:24:08.061 --> 00:24:13.531 They went in a, they went in a week from going to complete, but even 00:24:13.531 --> 00:24:16.621 the Great Dane did like that, you know, they, they went from, okay, I'm 00:24:16.631 --> 00:24:19.971 totally fine to, right, bye, I'm going. 00:24:20.221 --> 00:24:21.904 What do you mean you're going, right? 00:24:21.904 --> 00:24:22.781 Yeah, I'm going. 00:24:22.781 --> 00:24:28.461 And then, dun, At home, calmly, off they went. 00:24:28.561 --> 00:24:31.281 No pain, no stress, no nothing, no vets. 00:24:31.371 --> 00:24:33.101 Just, just calmly at home. 00:24:33.651 --> 00:24:39.091 Um, but of course, you know, one of the things that we are very, that we have 00:24:39.091 --> 00:24:40.901 a lot of problem is, is our stress. 00:24:40.901 --> 00:24:46.031 Because we see in, in the, in the emergency, we always see the stress. 00:24:46.031 --> 00:24:46.811 And this is why. 00:24:47.111 --> 00:24:50.191 These things, it's important to learn them beforehand, right? 00:24:50.501 --> 00:24:52.081 Yeah, I think it's definitely one of those, 00:24:52.541 --> 00:24:56.051 Anke: you can't kind of stop looking at it when it's already happening, right? 00:24:56.191 --> 00:24:58.991 It's like, oh, hang on, wait, wait, let me look up, like, what's going on here? 00:24:59.701 --> 00:25:00.646 Monique: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:00.906 --> 00:25:06.106 So, uh, so, so to reply to your question is let the dog lead, the dog 00:25:06.106 --> 00:25:10.726 will know, the dog knows 100 percent how to die, not a problem, alright? 00:25:11.216 --> 00:25:13.246 But then you have to look at yourself. 00:25:13.256 --> 00:25:16.936 So the first thing is be calm, uh, be present, right? 00:25:17.186 --> 00:25:20.146 And because the problem is when you start thinking about, is my pet in 00:25:20.146 --> 00:25:21.806 pain, is my pet in pain, where are you? 00:25:21.846 --> 00:25:23.966 You're, you're over, you're not present. 00:25:24.286 --> 00:25:25.986 So I say come back to present. 00:25:26.036 --> 00:25:26.556 What are you doing? 00:25:27.541 --> 00:25:29.721 Just simple exercise to come back to present. 00:25:29.751 --> 00:25:30.541 Look at your dog. 00:25:30.551 --> 00:25:33.401 Look at your dog's breathing or your paw. 00:25:33.421 --> 00:25:36.791 Just focus on that for a moment and then re ask the question. 00:25:37.141 --> 00:25:40.231 And then you will look and you go like, Oh, well, it doesn't 00:25:40.231 --> 00:25:41.801 seem that painful, right? 00:25:42.201 --> 00:25:42.451 Right? 00:25:42.501 --> 00:25:49.881 Because usually it's like even a movement is pain in a, in a worried mind, right? 00:25:49.881 --> 00:25:53.321 So it's that training of coming back to the present moment and 00:25:53.321 --> 00:25:57.421 then, um, and then just let the dog lead if they don't want to eat. 00:25:57.756 --> 00:25:58.716 Don't panic. 00:25:59.176 --> 00:26:02.246 The body knows what to do, right? 00:26:02.266 --> 00:26:05.096 If they don't want to drink, don't, don't force any medicine. 00:26:05.096 --> 00:26:07.376 Don't force any, any food. 00:26:07.426 --> 00:26:09.016 We force things down. 00:26:09.686 --> 00:26:14.426 Um, but I remember, I always remember, um, I had a vision once. 00:26:14.506 --> 00:26:19.946 Uh, I was, I was, I was trying to give some medicine to, um, I'm sorry, a cat. 00:26:21.726 --> 00:26:23.216 You're gonna throw me out of the show. 00:26:23.626 --> 00:26:26.396 I was trying to get the And you know how it's not easy, right? 00:26:26.476 --> 00:26:27.916 Dog is a bit easier, right? 00:26:28.286 --> 00:26:29.546 But with a cat it's not easy. 00:26:29.546 --> 00:26:30.556 But I was really good. 00:26:30.606 --> 00:26:31.346 I was the best. 00:26:31.376 --> 00:26:34.816 I was like, you know, take the towel, wrap the cat in the towel, you know, 00:26:34.816 --> 00:26:38.676 open the mouth, yeah, and then keep it closed until they go down in it. 00:26:39.186 --> 00:26:42.586 So I was, I was thinking about this in that moment because I had to do that. 00:26:42.586 --> 00:26:44.886 I was like, oh gosh, I need to go through all of that. 00:26:45.381 --> 00:26:48.291 And in that moment, I was at the table, I closed my eyes, and all of 00:26:48.291 --> 00:26:52.681 a sudden I saw an image of my mom, and there was this conversation. 00:26:52.691 --> 00:26:55.411 It was like a little scene I was seeing, and I saw, and my 00:26:55.411 --> 00:26:56.641 mom said, I've got a headache. 00:26:56.641 --> 00:26:58.501 And I said, oh, do you want a pill? 00:26:58.511 --> 00:27:00.621 Which is something I would have never said, but anyway, 00:27:00.621 --> 00:27:01.631 that's what I was seeing. 00:27:02.051 --> 00:27:02.971 I said, do you want a pill? 00:27:02.971 --> 00:27:04.071 And she goes like, no. 00:27:04.571 --> 00:27:09.921 And so I took her, I took a towel, I wrapped her up in a towel, I threw her on 00:27:09.931 --> 00:27:15.751 the floor, I opened her mouth, I threw, uh, like the, the pill in, I closed her 00:27:15.751 --> 00:27:21.901 mouth until she, she, she did like that, and then I opened and then I released her. 00:27:22.416 --> 00:27:27.006 And as I opened the eyes, I was completely shocked, Anke. 00:27:27.046 --> 00:27:27.606 Completely shocked. 00:27:28.356 --> 00:27:30.596 I was like, why do we do this for animals? 00:27:30.626 --> 00:27:31.586 Why do we do it? 00:27:31.916 --> 00:27:35.566 Because we decide that that is good, and otherwise they're gonna die. 00:27:35.906 --> 00:27:37.166 And I was all about that. 00:27:37.186 --> 00:27:39.436 I would say, eat this, otherwise you're gonna die! 00:27:40.191 --> 00:27:45.881 You know, as if, as if, yeah, as if staying alive, alive with me doing all 00:27:45.881 --> 00:27:47.801 of those things of a good life, right? 00:27:49.521 --> 00:27:50.251 The animal goes, well, 00:27:50.251 --> 00:27:52.341 Anke: actually, now that you're saying it. 00:27:53.661 --> 00:27:56.811 Monique: But just, but just to give some perspective on this, uh, you 00:27:56.811 --> 00:28:01.191 know, when I released those tensions about having to and having to do this 00:28:01.411 --> 00:28:06.911 and allowing, giving back that, that, that freedom to be animal, guess what? 00:28:07.331 --> 00:28:10.651 The cat started eating the food with the medicine. 00:28:10.651 --> 00:28:12.351 There was no need for me to do it. 00:28:12.761 --> 00:28:17.151 And then when I, when, when the cat stopped, it was, it, it was 00:28:17.151 --> 00:28:22.516 because the medicine was The cat knew that that he was dying, right? 00:28:23.016 --> 00:28:26.226 So, yeah, this, can you see there's so many? 00:28:27.026 --> 00:28:32.166 Anke: Yeah, there's so much to it and it also feels a big 00:28:32.176 --> 00:28:34.296 part of it is trusting nature. 00:28:35.771 --> 00:28:39.241 You know, it's like, yeah, just like nature knows how 00:28:39.241 --> 00:28:40.721 to bring us into this world. 00:28:40.731 --> 00:28:44.221 It also knows how, you know, how to take us back. 00:28:44.231 --> 00:28:49.721 Like that makes, it takes a lot of that heaviness out of, out of it. 00:28:49.721 --> 00:28:50.091 Right. 00:28:50.411 --> 00:28:51.431 So yeah. 00:28:51.431 --> 00:28:53.981 So where can people get their hands on the course? 00:28:53.981 --> 00:28:55.511 Where can they get in touch with you? 00:28:55.521 --> 00:29:02.031 Find out more because, you know, it makes sense to, you know, into the 00:29:02.041 --> 00:29:03.751 topic before you need it, right? 00:29:03.751 --> 00:29:05.071 You don't want to sit 00:29:05.071 --> 00:29:09.201 Monique: there having I've got, I've got many clients that basically are taking, 00:29:09.251 --> 00:29:11.201 uh, the, the courses when they're dogs. 00:29:11.231 --> 00:29:14.701 I've got two that have four year olds, for example. 00:29:15.171 --> 00:29:19.401 Um, and apart from the fact that it can happen at any time and one, 00:29:19.401 --> 00:29:23.231 bless her heart, that four year old actually had an accident and died. 00:29:23.641 --> 00:29:27.331 So it was, you know, and somebody said, is taking this course gonna, 00:29:27.601 --> 00:29:29.571 no, it's not gonna, so don't worry. 00:29:30.921 --> 00:29:34.971 But what I can say is that this course actually helps everyone in life as well. 00:29:34.981 --> 00:29:39.531 So yes, it does, does talk about death, but just bear in mind that it helps 00:29:39.531 --> 00:29:41.431 you deepen the bond with your animal. 00:29:41.431 --> 00:29:46.951 It helps you get skills that really help you in any challenge in life as well. 00:29:48.011 --> 00:29:52.821 And, um, and as I say with, I always say that basically, um, this is 00:29:52.831 --> 00:29:58.371 our journey of evolution where our animal companions can be our guides. 00:29:58.381 --> 00:30:03.411 So with, with their wet noses, they show us how to go from conditional love 00:30:03.901 --> 00:30:08.101 to unconditional love and then in the end of life journey to divine love. 00:30:09.301 --> 00:30:13.531 So, yeah, yeah, I have touched the most, the most divine places with that 00:30:13.531 --> 00:30:17.721 because, I'll just say one more thing, you know, when we, we are always again 00:30:17.731 --> 00:30:22.131 looking only at the body which is, which is the thing that is, yeah, but if we 00:30:22.131 --> 00:30:25.921 are able to see what, where everything else happens, it's amazing because the 00:30:25.931 --> 00:30:31.191 energy has The frequencies have to raise to meet the place where they're going. 00:30:31.711 --> 00:30:37.011 So, our animal may look all sad and depressed and bedraggled 00:30:37.011 --> 00:30:41.871 but when you look at it from an energetic place they're huge. 00:30:42.451 --> 00:30:47.591 And when you're in that energy, you can connect to that and that's where also 00:30:47.671 --> 00:30:50.751 you can get a little taste of the Divine. 00:30:51.436 --> 00:30:54.946 And I've had that happen many times and that's why I can tell you not because I 00:30:54.966 --> 00:31:00.236 think or I've read somewhere That when we go beyond the body we feel bliss 00:31:00.581 --> 00:31:06.201 It's because I felt it during an end of life of an animal and I was told this 00:31:06.201 --> 00:31:11.181 is how I'm feeling and I was looking at this bedraggled being and I was 00:31:11.181 --> 00:31:13.581 going like this is impossible, right? 00:31:13.941 --> 00:31:17.031 But I was taken there, so it's beautiful. 00:31:17.521 --> 00:31:23.696 Um, So, book your pet home, you can find all the information on Animalchemy, uh, so 00:31:23.696 --> 00:31:26.656 it's not Animal Alchemy, it's Animalchemy. 00:31:26.696 --> 00:31:29.916 I had to put it together, otherwise it would have cost me 10, 000, 00:31:29.916 --> 00:31:31.186 which I didn't want to pay. 00:31:31.586 --> 00:31:34.756 So, uh, so Animalchemy. 00:31:34.856 --> 00:31:35.226 It's cooler like 00:31:35.226 --> 00:31:35.456 Anke: that. 00:31:35.816 --> 00:31:36.196 Monique: Yeah. 00:31:37.626 --> 00:31:42.626 And for all of your readers, there is, um, there is a place, and I'm sure that 00:31:42.636 --> 00:31:43.726 you will give them the link, right? 00:31:43.726 --> 00:31:44.006 Absolutely. 00:31:44.226 --> 00:31:44.396 Yep. 00:31:44.396 --> 00:31:44.746 Okay. 00:31:44.756 --> 00:31:49.796 Thank you So, there's like three, uh, six sessions of the 82 00:31:49.846 --> 00:31:52.296 session course, right, for free. 00:31:52.306 --> 00:31:55.356 So, you can watch them for free to just get the hang of, you know, 00:31:55.356 --> 00:31:56.666 what's happening in the course. 00:31:57.366 --> 00:32:02.246 Um, and then, of course, if people want to sign up for the newsletter and things 00:32:02.246 --> 00:32:05.566 like that, I basically do, um, uh, events. 00:32:05.616 --> 00:32:06.646 I do a lot of events. 00:32:06.646 --> 00:32:08.751 The last one was three hours of just, you know, 00:32:11.471 --> 00:32:17.471 And, um, and then also if anybody's going through an end of life situation 00:32:17.471 --> 00:32:22.561 right now, they can, um, they can sign up for a free consult where I 00:32:22.561 --> 00:32:27.251 can support them, uh, in, in this, you know, in this end of life moment. 00:32:27.871 --> 00:32:30.741 And then, uh, then if they decide, you know, to work with 00:32:30.741 --> 00:32:32.621 me, okay, if not, that's fine. 00:32:32.621 --> 00:32:37.811 They get a lot just to, you know, relax a bit into that, into the situation. 00:32:38.431 --> 00:32:43.721 And if anyone, uh, is feeling the soul calling to become pet doolers, 00:32:44.101 --> 00:32:45.781 please, please, please reach out. 00:32:45.781 --> 00:32:50.751 There is also a free session, uh, for that, uh, like, um, a free 00:32:50.751 --> 00:32:57.651 discovery session, um, because, um, yes, because the world needs this. 00:32:57.761 --> 00:33:01.671 You know, I, I, I really, uh, it, it, it changes so much. 00:33:01.671 --> 00:33:05.481 You know, I go from clients that are call me in despair, and then 00:33:05.501 --> 00:33:11.151 I receive emails that say, oh, uh, Fluffy has died peacefully 00:33:11.151 --> 00:33:13.001 last night, and it was beautiful. 00:33:13.436 --> 00:33:17.946 And I go like, beautiful, you know, you can find beauty in this as well, right? 00:33:17.996 --> 00:33:20.236 Now, does this mean that you won't be sad? 00:33:20.246 --> 00:33:21.026 Of course not. 00:33:21.266 --> 00:33:22.056 Absolutely not. 00:33:22.056 --> 00:33:24.216 I mean, these are our loves, right? 00:33:24.256 --> 00:33:28.406 It's impossible not to be sad, but when we are open to the bigger picture 00:33:28.406 --> 00:33:33.166 and feel it and live it and, and understand the mission and all of 00:33:33.166 --> 00:33:38.016 the, all of those things, then it becomes a journey of growth for us. 00:33:38.316 --> 00:33:41.436 Uh, and once we learn it, then we have it for all of our lives. 00:33:41.776 --> 00:33:46.556 For ourselves, for our journey home, for all of our dogs, for 00:33:46.556 --> 00:33:48.926 all our friends dogs, ever. 00:33:49.076 --> 00:33:52.496 It is really something, something important. 00:33:52.506 --> 00:33:58.086 So, I am really looking to, I'm on a mission to, uh, train as many pet death 00:33:58.086 --> 00:34:03.796 duelers as possible, um, because I really, I really find that, uh, we don't have to 00:34:03.796 --> 00:34:06.576 stay with grief forever, you know, grief. 00:34:06.576 --> 00:34:11.006 In the current model, unfortunately, Because we have to make that horrible 00:34:11.016 --> 00:34:13.616 decision of ending the life, right? 00:34:13.616 --> 00:34:16.166 So we need to know when we need to make that decision. 00:34:16.496 --> 00:34:19.726 That takes us to a place where, where we feel a lot of grief. 00:34:20.786 --> 00:34:24.716 And when we don't live this journey, like I said, with all of these points, 00:34:24.736 --> 00:34:29.186 the completion, we don't get to a completion, and it's just like, oh, 00:34:29.246 --> 00:34:33.076 you know, Fluffy was here yesterday and Fluffy's no longer here, and that 00:34:33.076 --> 00:34:35.006 brings a grief that doesn't go away. 00:34:36.006 --> 00:34:38.146 Love should stay with us forever. 00:34:39.206 --> 00:34:39.806 Breathe not. 00:34:40.226 --> 00:34:40.626 It's not natural. 00:34:40.636 --> 00:34:40.926 I love, 00:34:40.966 --> 00:34:43.256 Anke: I love your, I love your passion about, you know, I 00:34:43.256 --> 00:34:44.526 love your passion around this. 00:34:44.846 --> 00:34:48.996 Because I mean, I've experienced it twice and there was so much beauty in it. 00:34:49.376 --> 00:34:53.216 You know, yes, it hurts like hell and it was beautiful and I'm getting teary. 00:34:53.486 --> 00:34:53.796 But, 00:34:57.846 --> 00:35:02.986 but for you to really lean into that and to give people a way to be prepared. 00:35:03.646 --> 00:35:04.046 It's just, it's amazing. 00:35:04.826 --> 00:35:05.166 I love 00:35:05.166 --> 00:35:05.396 Monique: it. 00:35:07.516 --> 00:35:08.396 I really love it. 00:35:08.406 --> 00:35:12.716 You know, and, and as I said, it's funny because sometimes people don't want to be 00:35:12.716 --> 00:35:17.396 doulas because they go like, uh, you know, it must be the most depressing job ever. 00:35:17.436 --> 00:35:20.806 And I can tell you it's the most, it's the most enriching job ever. 00:35:20.826 --> 00:35:22.716 I wake up with a smile every single day. 00:35:23.856 --> 00:35:27.736 And not because I'm seeing animals die, but I'm, I am seeing, I am 00:35:27.926 --> 00:35:30.826 seeing, you know, of course, you know, that would be, that would be hard. 00:35:30.826 --> 00:35:33.256 If you look at it like that, it's the worst. 00:35:34.281 --> 00:35:39.721 When you see them just, you know, just, just relax, but then leave with all of 00:35:39.721 --> 00:35:42.351 these gifts that make us better humans. 00:35:42.901 --> 00:35:47.501 Um, and then when people still feel the connection to the other side, 00:35:47.511 --> 00:35:52.231 when I can see a smile instead of a, instead of a, you know, a sad heart. 00:35:52.681 --> 00:35:55.131 I mean, how can I not be happy? 00:35:55.471 --> 00:35:56.871 You know, every single morning. 00:35:56.901 --> 00:36:00.091 So, you know, we need these, these people in the world that 00:36:00.091 --> 00:36:02.191 can bring this out into the world. 00:36:02.201 --> 00:36:06.271 And, and I really believe that every pet deserves a peaceful 00:36:06.291 --> 00:36:07.841 and conscious end of life. 00:36:08.391 --> 00:36:11.711 Uh, because, you know, when we do euthanasia, we are not 00:36:11.721 --> 00:36:13.121 allowing that had to happen. 00:36:13.121 --> 00:36:16.041 You know, the consciousness is, is asleep. 00:36:16.601 --> 00:36:22.241 Um, but then also, uh, also every pet parent deserves to, 00:36:22.291 --> 00:36:25.271 to have a way to keep that love. 00:36:25.321 --> 00:36:26.419 Anke 00:36:26.419 --> 00:36:38.491 Anke: Herrmann, Taming the Tech Monster, Anke Herrmann, Taming the Tech Monster, 00:36:38.491 --> 00:36:45.856 Anke Herrmann, His dog basically got run over by a train in front of him. 00:36:46.196 --> 00:36:47.836 You know and I'm like Jesus! 00:36:48.716 --> 00:36:50.691 Like, I don't even, like that would 00:36:50.691 --> 00:36:53.296 Monique: be Yeah, that would, that would be hurtful. 00:36:53.296 --> 00:36:53.476 You 00:36:53.476 --> 00:36:55.936 Anke: know stuff like that and and and I was then thinking like 00:36:55.956 --> 00:36:59.701 God, and I feel guilty because I obviously put the dog in that bed. 00:36:59.971 --> 00:37:03.851 situation, you know, so it was like, it was my, it was my job 00:37:03.901 --> 00:37:05.201 to keep the dog safe, right. 00:37:05.501 --> 00:37:07.891 To make sure I can't run across the train track. 00:37:08.301 --> 00:37:12.831 And so, and I'm thinking, yes, they will definitely on situations where 00:37:12.841 --> 00:37:17.571 it's a lot harder to get over than, you know, than, than what I had with 00:37:17.571 --> 00:37:19.601 like Leo, who was like almost 17. 00:37:19.601 --> 00:37:22.721 And it was like, you know, I know I've given you a good life. 00:37:22.721 --> 00:37:27.921 And, and, you know, so it's like, and I was there until the, till the end. 00:37:27.921 --> 00:37:29.631 So it wasn't like, yeah. 00:37:30.406 --> 00:37:33.736 You know, it's almost like it had that sense of closure, you know, so there 00:37:33.736 --> 00:37:38.086 wasn't like, Oh my God, I'm feeling regret or guilt about something. 00:37:38.086 --> 00:37:41.876 And it was like, no, like we had our journey together 00:37:41.906 --> 00:37:44.626 and it's come to its close. 00:37:45.391 --> 00:37:49.491 Monique: You know, this is, this is why this is a different way to look at the 00:37:49.491 --> 00:37:53.591 end of life because we, I'm looking at all of those things, especially, you 00:37:53.591 --> 00:37:56.981 know, the, the, the guilt, you know, because I can tell you the guilt comes 00:37:56.981 --> 00:37:59.241 from, Oh, I did euthanasia too soon. 00:37:59.281 --> 00:38:00.461 Oh, I did it too late. 00:38:00.651 --> 00:38:01.921 Oh, I didn't do it sooner. 00:38:01.921 --> 00:38:04.181 Oh, I didn't look at the dog crossing the railways. 00:38:04.211 --> 00:38:06.671 You know, you can, it doesn't matter. 00:38:06.691 --> 00:38:09.011 You can just fill in the blanks at the end. 00:38:09.011 --> 00:38:10.421 Everybody has that guilt. 00:38:10.791 --> 00:38:12.011 So we need to look at. 00:38:12.581 --> 00:38:16.041 Us, we need to heal that inside of us, right? 00:38:16.061 --> 00:38:18.251 So that we can see the real situation. 00:38:18.471 --> 00:38:20.961 Maybe that soul needed to go in that moment. 00:38:21.271 --> 00:38:25.371 What did that soul bring into, into the life of that man in that moment? 00:38:25.531 --> 00:38:28.021 Why the two souls connected? 00:38:28.311 --> 00:38:33.191 Maybe it had a mission, well not maybe, it had a mission, it completed that mission. 00:38:33.516 --> 00:38:34.686 And then it just went. 00:38:34.956 --> 00:38:39.356 When you know what happens to the soul, and the soul can never be hurt, never, 00:38:39.406 --> 00:38:41.906 never is born, never dies, right? 00:38:42.156 --> 00:38:45.676 Then you know that, yes, it's incredibly horrible to see the body, 00:38:45.806 --> 00:38:47.886 uh, you know, go through all of that. 00:38:48.146 --> 00:38:51.216 But now you see all of the other, all the rests, right? 00:38:51.216 --> 00:38:54.236 And if you can keep that connection, you know that your 00:38:54.236 --> 00:38:55.946 dog is not under there anymore. 00:38:57.166 --> 00:39:00.526 So, and if you can deal with the shock, if you know how your brain 00:39:00.536 --> 00:39:02.596 works, you can deal with that as well. 00:39:02.616 --> 00:39:07.201 So, it's all about, at the end, can you see how all of this makes us better humans 00:39:07.271 --> 00:39:08.051 Anke: Absolutely 00:39:08.101 --> 00:39:11.071 Monique: And, and when we are better, then we can also give a 00:39:11.081 --> 00:39:16.081 better life to our dogs, our living dogs and our dying dogs, right? 00:39:16.251 --> 00:39:20.321 Because, because us being in panic and thinking that we should have kept the 00:39:20.321 --> 00:39:22.391 dog from running into the railways. 00:39:22.541 --> 00:39:22.621 Well, 00:39:22.651 --> 00:39:27.801 Anke: he ran, he he went off on a massive rant about, against the train driver. 00:39:28.311 --> 00:39:30.121 Monique: Yeah, yeah, of course, and then that's it, you know, 00:39:30.121 --> 00:39:31.901 and here we do it with a vet. 00:39:31.911 --> 00:39:35.671 It's either the vet's fault, or the, the, the love, you know, the partner's 00:39:35.671 --> 00:39:38.141 fault, or there's always somebody's fault. 00:39:38.161 --> 00:39:41.441 Even sometimes it's a pet's fault for dying on me, right? 00:39:41.621 --> 00:39:46.591 But even that is a, is a thing that you need to work on yourself, and this is 00:39:46.591 --> 00:39:48.461 why there's so many building blocks. 00:39:48.751 --> 00:39:53.371 That make us, uh, you know, live life better as well, right? 00:39:53.451 --> 00:39:56.171 So, all of these things are really, really, really important. 00:39:56.471 --> 00:40:01.121 And plus, you know, we never think about, the other thing I want to say is like when 00:40:01.161 --> 00:40:05.931 an animal dies, or of course a person as well, but imagine that dog dying, right? 00:40:05.931 --> 00:40:09.081 He went out of the body, he was obviously no longer in the 00:40:09.081 --> 00:40:10.731 body under the train, right? 00:40:10.731 --> 00:40:11.451 So he went out. 00:40:11.821 --> 00:40:15.431 And now, they are very sensitive when they are on the other 00:40:15.431 --> 00:40:17.421 side, even when they are dying. 00:40:17.421 --> 00:40:20.141 So please, all the listeners need to know that when a pet is 00:40:20.141 --> 00:40:21.541 dying, they are very sensitive. 00:40:21.541 --> 00:40:24.301 So they feel us a lot more than they do normally. 00:40:24.721 --> 00:40:27.431 We already know how our animals feel us, right? 00:40:27.831 --> 00:40:32.441 Can you imagine how it is to feel us even more, like a million times more? 00:40:32.746 --> 00:40:36.256 So now imagine that you're dying and the person that you love the 00:40:36.256 --> 00:40:38.666 most is like, I need to do this. 00:40:38.786 --> 00:40:39.596 I need to give the medicine. 00:40:40.206 --> 00:40:41.146 My dog is not sleeping. 00:40:41.226 --> 00:40:42.286 My dog is sleeping too much. 00:40:42.286 --> 00:40:44.616 Oh, I'm so worried. 00:40:44.616 --> 00:40:45.276 I'm so tired. 00:40:45.626 --> 00:40:47.836 Now be the dog in that moment. 00:40:47.836 --> 00:40:50.136 Is that peaceful? 00:40:50.416 --> 00:40:51.136 That is not. 00:40:51.146 --> 00:40:53.496 So that's why we need to work on ourselves. 00:40:54.191 --> 00:40:57.021 The dogs know how to, how to cross over. 00:40:57.231 --> 00:41:00.821 We need to work on ourselves if we want to help them have a peaceful death. 00:41:01.081 --> 00:41:04.601 A peaceful death doesn't come from, from some, some, you know, 00:41:04.621 --> 00:41:05.831 something that we give them. 00:41:06.171 --> 00:41:07.811 It comes from us being peaceful. 00:41:07.811 --> 00:41:12.326 Because when they go out of their body, Let's say that now I'm dead, right? 00:41:12.326 --> 00:41:15.614 And I come and I look at you and you're Anke, you're crying and you're like, 00:41:15.614 --> 00:41:17.286 Oh, Monique, where did you go, Monique? 00:41:17.556 --> 00:41:17.876 Right? 00:41:18.066 --> 00:41:19.856 And I'm here and I'm going like, I'm fine. 00:41:20.116 --> 00:41:21.546 And you go, Oh my God, oh my God. 00:41:21.546 --> 00:41:23.636 And I'm so connected with you, right? 00:41:23.636 --> 00:41:25.986 I'm so connected with you and I feel your pain. 00:41:26.216 --> 00:41:29.146 I feel your pain and I'm fine, but I feel your pain. 00:41:29.436 --> 00:41:30.566 And so I'm staying here. 00:41:30.976 --> 00:41:35.556 So let me stay here, so I stay here and so we have all of these souls that are 00:41:35.566 --> 00:41:40.156 here because we are in grief and we, they can't continue their journey, they 00:41:40.156 --> 00:41:45.336 can't become our guides because they're stuck in these half worlds, right? 00:41:45.336 --> 00:41:49.516 So we need to know what happens on the other side, we need to know what happens 00:41:49.896 --> 00:41:56.131 when we are stressed out, so that we can then become responsible for And, and 00:41:56.131 --> 00:42:00.531 know what to do at the end of life, and not just go like, oh, my pet has cancer, 00:42:00.661 --> 00:42:03.261 here you go, you, you vet, deal with it. 00:42:03.481 --> 00:42:06.241 Because the poor vets have to deal with that, of course, right? 00:42:07.091 --> 00:42:10.011 A lot of pets, a lot of vets, you know, are very depressed 00:42:10.011 --> 00:42:11.781 because all they do is euthanasia. 00:42:13.021 --> 00:42:13.421 Actually, 00:42:13.421 --> 00:42:13.951 Anke: it's funny. 00:42:14.051 --> 00:42:19.941 I mean, I saw somebody say that, I don't know, I think it was a vet who said like 00:42:19.951 --> 00:42:25.911 90 over, like some horrific percentage of people won't stay with their dogs. 00:42:25.961 --> 00:42:26.121 Oh 00:42:26.121 --> 00:42:26.741 Monique: gosh, yeah. 00:42:26.971 --> 00:42:27.641 You know, I'm like, 00:42:28.151 --> 00:42:29.461 Anke: oh, that's horrible. 00:42:29.811 --> 00:42:29.971 Monique: Like 00:42:29.971 --> 00:42:32.251 Anke: I couldn't even, like, I couldn't even picture that. 00:42:32.261 --> 00:42:36.331 Like, how would you just hand over your dog, you know, for somebody 00:42:36.331 --> 00:42:37.891 else to deal with those last days. 00:42:38.511 --> 00:42:40.561 Like moments, it's just. 00:42:40.981 --> 00:42:44.551 Monique: And that is, that is normal if you think about how society is today. 00:42:44.561 --> 00:42:46.931 It's like we push away anything that we don't like. 00:42:46.951 --> 00:42:49.711 That's why I'm not going to buy a course on the end of life, 00:42:49.721 --> 00:42:50.761 because it's the end of life. 00:42:50.761 --> 00:42:52.581 I don't want to deal with that, right? 00:42:52.831 --> 00:42:53.771 I don't want to. 00:42:54.031 --> 00:42:56.866 So there's a lot of things that we always want to push away. 00:42:57.016 --> 00:43:00.216 But the growth actually comes from feeling the pain, feeling 00:43:00.216 --> 00:43:02.316 the fear, and going anyway, right? 00:43:02.586 --> 00:43:06.426 And, and, and going like in, it's, in the Amazons they call 00:43:06.426 --> 00:43:07.826 it touching the jaguar, right? 00:43:07.826 --> 00:43:08.746 You see the jaguar. 00:43:09.166 --> 00:43:13.336 And you take one step towards it, and you step, one take towards it, right, 00:43:13.596 --> 00:43:17.956 and each step you learn, you learn more about the Jaguar until you touch it. 00:43:18.196 --> 00:43:24.086 When you touch it, the energy of the gift of the Jaguar comes into you, 00:43:24.336 --> 00:43:30.296 and you're now filled with these new strengths to go, to take on your journey. 00:43:30.376 --> 00:43:35.476 It's an initiation into who we can become as human beings. 00:43:35.736 --> 00:43:38.086 An effect of going through this end of life. 00:43:40.046 --> 00:43:44.606 Anke: And actually, it's totally in my experience, I remember actually 00:43:44.606 --> 00:43:49.316 always dreading my grandma dying, you know, and it was almost like looking 00:43:49.326 --> 00:43:53.756 back, the dread before was actually worse than the actual process of it. 00:43:53.966 --> 00:43:54.526 Yeah, sure. 00:43:54.536 --> 00:43:55.966 You know, so, yeah. 00:43:56.486 --> 00:43:57.426 Well, I think we could. 00:43:57.446 --> 00:43:58.731 Carry on forever here. 00:43:59.816 --> 00:44:00.236 This absolutely. 00:44:00.236 --> 00:44:00.326 I know. 00:44:00.326 --> 00:44:00.971 We'll have to maybe do it another time. 00:44:01.256 --> 00:44:02.246 I think we do. 00:44:02.246 --> 00:44:02.696 I think. 00:44:02.756 --> 00:44:03.806 I totally think we do. 00:44:04.136 --> 00:44:08.726 Um, so yes, we'll pop the links underneath, so get the course. 00:44:08.726 --> 00:44:12.746 I'll definitely check it out because it makes so much sense 00:44:12.986 --> 00:44:14.756 and it takes the heaviness out of. 00:44:15.396 --> 00:44:19.596 a process that is so natural, you know, that we, I think we've sort of, sort of 00:44:19.596 --> 00:44:23.826 pushed away as a society as if it was this kind of like weird thing we don't 00:44:23.826 --> 00:44:27.876 want to know about when it's actually just part of the part that gives closure. 00:44:27.926 --> 00:44:30.916 So thank you so much for, for bringing all of that. 00:44:30.916 --> 00:44:31.476 We prepare 00:44:31.476 --> 00:44:33.016 Monique: for everything in life. 00:44:33.076 --> 00:44:35.066 We prepare for this interview. 00:44:35.216 --> 00:44:39.326 I, you know, tidied up the background, did my curls and everything. 00:44:39.836 --> 00:44:42.656 Yet we weren't, we don't prepare for the one thing that 00:44:42.656 --> 00:44:44.466 is certain in life, which is. 00:44:44.836 --> 00:44:45.986 the end, right? 00:44:46.036 --> 00:44:48.806 The end of the, well, the, the dying process. 00:44:48.826 --> 00:44:50.666 So yeah, let's do it. 00:44:50.766 --> 00:44:51.406 Let's do it. 00:44:51.406 --> 00:44:54.186 Anke: Alrighty, well then, thank you so much for today. 00:44:55.276 --> 00:44:55.526 Monique: so much, Anke. 00:44:55.566 --> 00:44:56.326 I'll talk 00:44:56.386 --> 00:44:57.186 Anke: to you again soon. 00:44:57.376 --> 00:44:58.846 Monique: Yes, thank you so much. 00:45:00.209 --> 00:45:01.439 Thanks so much for listening. 00:45:01.959 --> 00:45:06.259 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:45:06.359 --> 00:45:08.139 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:45:08.929 --> 00:45:12.419 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:18.419 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.889 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:45:20.889 --> 00:45:24.619 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:26.179 I'd love an introduction. 00:45:26.659 --> 00:45:28.489 Email me at Anke. 00:45:28.759 --> 00:45:32.994 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.