1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,410 Ingrid Honkala: And I went on to the other side of the 2 00:00:02,410 --> 00:00:05,660 tank where there was this thin edge and I was like 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,990 leaning there so precariously but hey we're just having 4 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:10,659 fun so what is the danger? 5 00:00:11,550 --> 00:00:15,060 And she grabbed the ball and she threw the ball but she 6 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:16,689 didn't apply enough force. 7 00:00:17,459 --> 00:00:18,899 The ball fell. 8 00:00:19,180 --> 00:00:21,850 And it was floating in the water, and I just thought, of 9 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:26,550 course I can grab it, and then I leaned forward, and when 10 00:00:26,550 --> 00:00:29,880 I tried to grab the ball, it rolled on the surface of the 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,240 water, and I fell in the tank. 12 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:37,630 Rod Bland: My guest today is Ingrid Honkala a marine 13 00:00:37,630 --> 00:00:41,220 biologist and former NASA oceanographer among her 14 00:00:41,260 --> 00:00:42,500 many other accomplishments. 15 00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:45,990 But more interesting to me though, is the many near death 16 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:47,550 experiences that she's had. 17 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:49,580 The first one occurring at three years old and 18 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:52,140 Ingrid is here to talk about those today. 19 00:00:52,690 --> 00:00:53,550 Ingrid, welcome. 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,260 And thank you so much for coming on the show. 21 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:58,670 Ingrid Honkala: Thank you so much for having me, it's 22 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:02,960 an honor and, oh gosh, it's incredible to be able to be 23 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,510 here sharing with you and your audience, thank you. 24 00:01:05,845 --> 00:01:06,635 Rod Bland: It's my pleasure. 25 00:01:06,675 --> 00:01:10,255 I've, been having a great time reading your book actually, 26 00:01:10,285 --> 00:01:12,515 and I wish I'd started a couple of days ago, cause 27 00:01:12,515 --> 00:01:13,225 now I can't put it down. 28 00:01:13,925 --> 00:01:15,735 I'm always in the middle of reading three or four 29 00:01:15,735 --> 00:01:17,285 books, and now I've started with yours, I'm going 30 00:01:17,285 --> 00:01:18,615 to have to finish it. 31 00:01:18,615 --> 00:01:20,585 But you've, I've got so many questions because you've lived 32 00:01:20,605 --> 00:01:22,375 such an interesting life. 33 00:01:22,425 --> 00:01:24,085 I thought when I, as I was reading about your 34 00:01:24,085 --> 00:01:26,495 story, you're like a modern day Lara Croft. 35 00:01:26,515 --> 00:01:28,935 Does anyone ever mention Lara Croft to you when 36 00:01:28,935 --> 00:01:29,845 they read your story? 37 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:32,560 Ingrid Honkala: I don't remember that. 38 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:32,770 Rod Bland: No? 39 00:01:33,370 --> 00:01:33,840 Okay. 40 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:36,980 Yeah, it's, Lara Croft is a fictional character from a 41 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:39,660 video game called Tomb Raider, which was turned into a movie 42 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:41,750 and I forget the lead actress. 43 00:01:41,750 --> 00:01:43,870 Anyway, that's who you reminded me of, but a real 44 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:44,870 one, not a pretend one. 45 00:01:45,420 --> 00:01:49,160 So how about we start with the time that led up to your first 46 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:52,720 NDE when you were very small and then we can go from there. 47 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,980 Ingrid Honkala: Yes, oh. 48 00:01:55,870 --> 00:01:59,650 That was the, of course, the experience that, from 49 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:02,440 that point on, opened for, 50 00:02:03,220 --> 00:02:09,365 I would just say, led me to my path of spirituality, 51 00:02:09,365 --> 00:02:13,195 let's call it that way, or discovering who I truly was. 52 00:02:13,195 --> 00:02:15,605 And we were going to think, what, you're talking 53 00:02:15,605 --> 00:02:18,775 about Ingrid when she was close to three years old? 54 00:02:18,785 --> 00:02:22,665 Yes, I was a little child when my first near death 55 00:02:22,665 --> 00:02:23,825 experience happened. 56 00:02:24,565 --> 00:02:28,525 And it all happened in Colombia. 57 00:02:28,525 --> 00:02:31,765 I was born in Bogota and there I was living with 58 00:02:31,775 --> 00:02:34,815 my parents and my sisters and they would leave us 59 00:02:34,815 --> 00:02:35,995 at the care of a maid. 60 00:02:36,845 --> 00:02:40,935 And she was a lady that didn't pay attention to us when 61 00:02:41,025 --> 00:02:42,485 my parents were not around. 62 00:02:43,115 --> 00:02:46,905 And one morning they left for work and she went to 63 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:51,545 do her thing and my oldest sister and I decided let's 64 00:02:51,545 --> 00:02:52,985 go play in the patio. 65 00:02:53,725 --> 00:02:55,125 And no one is watching. 66 00:02:55,315 --> 00:02:56,095 And then... 67 00:02:56,485 --> 00:03:01,455 Once in the patio, we saw a ball and decided let's 68 00:03:01,675 --> 00:03:03,655 play catch across the tank. 69 00:03:03,685 --> 00:03:07,785 So the problem about this patio or the scare about it 70 00:03:07,785 --> 00:03:09,705 was that there was a big tank. 71 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:14,580 And the purpose of this big tank was to collect water for 72 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:18,400 hand washing clothes, and it was like about 900 gallons of 73 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,850 water, so it was a big tank. 74 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Wow. 75 00:03:22,140 --> 00:03:27,400 And she and I decided, nothing less dangerous than, 76 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:29,220 let's go play in the tank! 77 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:32,980 And then, because the tank was big, we climbed the 78 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:37,320 wall with some stools, and then she sat on the flat 79 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:38,910 surface for scrubbing. 80 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,400 And I went on to the other side of the tank where 81 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,570 there was this thin edge and I was like leaning 82 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:49,020 there so precariously but hey we're just having fun 83 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:50,180 so what is the danger? 84 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:54,580 And she grabbed the ball and she threw the ball but she 85 00:03:54,580 --> 00:03:56,210 didn't apply enough force. 86 00:03:56,980 --> 00:03:58,420 The ball fell. 87 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,370 And it was floating in the water, and I just thought, of 88 00:04:01,820 --> 00:04:06,070 course I can grab it, and then I leaned forward, and when 89 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:09,400 I tried to grab the ball, it rolled on the surface of the 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,760 water, and I fell in the tank. 91 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,100 Imagine Rod, the first feeling was, people have 92 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:19,010 the misconception that because I am from Colombia, 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,680 I come from hot weather country, but Bogota is 94 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:24,270 very high up in the Andes. 95 00:04:25,060 --> 00:04:27,980 That's about I think Bogota is close to 3, 000 meters. 96 00:04:28,645 --> 00:04:31,785 It was pretty cold out there, yes. 97 00:04:31,845 --> 00:04:34,055 Very early in the morning, the temperature in that 98 00:04:34,085 --> 00:04:37,995 tank was probably three to four degrees Celsius. 99 00:04:39,355 --> 00:04:43,565 The first feeling when my body touched that water 100 00:04:43,595 --> 00:04:45,275 was that sense of GASP! 101 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,520 This water is pretty cold. 102 00:04:49,340 --> 00:04:53,660 And the next thing was that, oh, what is going on? 103 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,000 Why I cannot breathe. 104 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,480 I had never been in a pool. 105 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:01,960 We didn't have a bathtub, so I never had the 106 00:05:01,965 --> 00:05:03,370 head under the water. 107 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:07,410 I didn't know that if you fall in the water, you drown. 108 00:05:07,690 --> 00:05:09,060 Didn't know you couldn't breathe. 109 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,810 So imagine that a scare when why I cannot breathe. 110 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,580 And I am in that state of absolute horror when 111 00:05:20,580 --> 00:05:21,430 the miracle happened. 112 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:25,570 I went from that terror... 113 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:31,240 Just like that, ah, to peace. 114 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:37,280 It was peace and calmness and serenity and like, whoa. 115 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,940 I didn't know what happened, but I didn't need to 116 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:41,410 escape out of the tank. 117 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:43,270 I didn't need to breathe. 118 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:44,860 I didn't need to go anywhere. 119 00:05:44,865 --> 00:05:46,320 It was just peace. 120 00:05:48,610 --> 00:05:50,920 And there's one thing, Rod, people always ask me, 121 00:05:50,950 --> 00:05:52,480 how can you remember this? 122 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,580 Come on, you were just so little. 123 00:05:55,260 --> 00:06:01,580 And I said, because it was so much contrast that happened 124 00:06:01,590 --> 00:06:02,750 throughout the experience. 125 00:06:03,390 --> 00:06:05,210 And people say, what do you mean with this 126 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:06,240 thing of contrast? 127 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:11,415 The first thing, imagine going from a state of such shock 128 00:06:11,895 --> 00:06:15,085 and horror to that peace. 129 00:06:16,375 --> 00:06:20,955 Second, this space was very dark. 130 00:06:20,965 --> 00:06:26,545 It was an enclosed tank, it had a roof, it was made of 131 00:06:26,555 --> 00:06:29,475 cement, it was early in the morning, so the last thing 132 00:06:29,505 --> 00:06:34,205 I saw with my eyes open was the darkness of the space. 133 00:06:35,245 --> 00:06:40,115 And the moment I went into this space of calmness and 134 00:06:40,115 --> 00:06:41,715 serenity and just peace. 135 00:06:43,060 --> 00:06:43,880 Light. 136 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,250 I saw light that came from below. 137 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:51,760 And this light was like the light of a candle, but it 138 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,750 was able to illuminate the whole watery surrounding. 139 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:57,410 So it was going from darkness to... 140 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:59,750 Now there is light. 141 00:07:01,220 --> 00:07:05,610 The next contrast is that I live in a very noisy house. 142 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,873 There was sisters and cousins and dogs and birds. 143 00:07:06,873 --> 00:07:07,180 And then... 144 00:07:10,970 --> 00:07:15,370 The last thing also I heard with my, at the moment of 145 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:18,560 that I'm drowning in that moment of terror was my 146 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,120 heart beating very loud. 147 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,440 And I could hear in my head like boom, boom, boom, boom. 148 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:31,700 And the moment I entered into the peace, Silence. 149 00:07:35,090 --> 00:07:38,630 Absolute silence, but it was that silence that came 150 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,110 with so much peace, Rod. 151 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,670 I call it the silence behind the silence, to the point 152 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:50,480 that this just didn't end there for the rest of my 153 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,650 life after this experience. 154 00:07:53,335 --> 00:07:57,475 I craved this silence, and later in my life I would 155 00:07:57,475 --> 00:08:00,455 hide into closets under the bed, go in to chapels. 156 00:08:00,485 --> 00:08:03,705 I was like, I wanted that silence, and I didn't 157 00:08:03,705 --> 00:08:04,685 know where to find it. 158 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:13,115 So imagine, these things are just, that, big huge about 159 00:08:13,135 --> 00:08:14,475 this experience for me. 160 00:08:15,115 --> 00:08:19,145 And then, this is the other thing, now I am in 161 00:08:19,145 --> 00:08:22,105 the tank, I'm seeing the light, I am experiencing 162 00:08:22,105 --> 00:08:26,665 the calmness, and then, I started to see bubbles. 163 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,920 And these bubbles were surrounded by light. 164 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:35,650 And it was by like, Oh, imagine now the child like, 165 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:38,790 Oh, this is what is going on. 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,010 And it was by looking at these bubbles that I turn 167 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:46,320 around and I saw a body suspended in the water. 168 00:08:47,890 --> 00:08:52,480 And when I saw the body, it was like, oh, it 169 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,210 was the realisation of like, this is my body, 170 00:08:56,145 --> 00:08:56,665 Rod Bland: Whoa, 171 00:08:56,670 --> 00:09:00,860 Ingrid Honkala: not the sense of fear or the sense it was 172 00:09:00,860 --> 00:09:05,795 like oh it was more like the sense of familiarity, it 173 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:08,015 was something like, oh this 174 00:09:08,015 --> 00:09:12,065 already happened before, like it wasn't something 175 00:09:12,065 --> 00:09:14,555 that I felt that was very strange to me. 176 00:09:16,905 --> 00:09:21,655 And it comes the other contrast, and it was that I 177 00:09:21,655 --> 00:09:24,305 was born as a very sick child. 178 00:09:25,815 --> 00:09:30,425 And sometimes we will wonder why a child is sick, but in 179 00:09:30,435 --> 00:09:31,925 my case it had a purpose. 180 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:36,060 And the purpose was to be able to experience 181 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:37,430 again these contrasts. 182 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,650 If I would have come from a body that was experiencing 183 00:09:40,690 --> 00:09:45,080 complete well being, then I don't know the difference. 184 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,175 But coming from a body that had been unwell for 185 00:09:49,185 --> 00:09:52,855 almost three years, I didn't even know how to 186 00:09:52,855 --> 00:09:54,645 feel other than sick. 187 00:09:55,795 --> 00:09:58,685 And then in this moment Rod, imagine I am in the state 188 00:09:58,685 --> 00:10:00,755 of complete well being. 189 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:04,835 And I'm like, wow, it's new, it's good. 190 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:06,955 This feels amazing. 191 00:10:07,485 --> 00:10:10,595 So the moment I saw that body, I'm like, I'm 192 00:10:10,645 --> 00:10:11,795 not going back there. 193 00:10:13,195 --> 00:10:14,425 And this is the other 194 00:10:14,735 --> 00:10:15,505 Rod Bland: that one's done. 195 00:10:16,325 --> 00:10:16,645 that. 196 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,610 And I had the awareness that I could do that, that, oh, I'm 197 00:10:21,610 --> 00:10:22,930 not going back to the body. 198 00:10:23,940 --> 00:10:27,140 And I turn around and I left the body behind. 199 00:10:29,130 --> 00:10:32,860 And the moment I turn around, I started to see 200 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,740 flowers, and these flowers were blooming from nowhere. 201 00:10:38,650 --> 00:10:41,200 And this is the other thing, it's like I lost the sense 202 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,320 of dimension because then now I was picked by the flowers. 203 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:47,740 And the flowers started to just carry 204 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:49,470 me, and I'm like, oh. 205 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,120 And I said to people, it's that, the analogy of it's like 206 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,880 going back to the womb, and you just, you don't have to 207 00:10:55,910 --> 00:11:00,270 do anything, you're just being done, being carried, just, oh. 208 00:11:01,650 --> 00:11:03,040 And then when I am just in the... 209 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:05,300 This joy, this bliss. 210 00:11:05,775 --> 00:11:10,145 In just a blink like that, I appear in the 211 00:11:10,775 --> 00:11:15,495 maid's room, where she was listening to the radio. 212 00:11:15,495 --> 00:11:17,515 She's listening to soap operas. 213 00:11:18,055 --> 00:11:19,925 And I'm looking at her from above and I'm 214 00:11:19,925 --> 00:11:22,655 like, that's Maria. 215 00:11:24,095 --> 00:11:27,155 And then Maria is so unaware, she's just into 216 00:11:27,155 --> 00:11:31,235 her soap operas that she did not realize anything. 217 00:11:32,765 --> 00:11:38,725 In another blink like that, I appear in my mom's path. 218 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:43,230 My mom didn't have a car and she had to walk and she was 219 00:11:43,270 --> 00:11:47,810 close to her bus stop and it was like, I would just say 220 00:11:48,330 --> 00:11:50,040 maybe about 10 minutes walk. 221 00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:55,320 And then the moment that I appear, this is what, one, 222 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:57,760 validated the experience. 223 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:01,890 And two, I think that's what blows everybody's minds 224 00:12:01,890 --> 00:12:07,460 away, is that the moment Rod, that I saw my mom from 225 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:10,860 above, like there floating, I said, Oh, that's mom! 226 00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:13,290 She stopped. 227 00:12:15,370 --> 00:12:17,140 She did not give another step. 228 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,170 She did not hesitate. 229 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:24,520 And she, it's like she knew at that moment something 230 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:27,430 at home is happening with one of my babies. 231 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 And I sometimes mention, and I think it's important 232 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,830 to mention that she had got a new job. 233 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:39,050 The ego mind or the mind is going to be more settling, oh, 234 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:40,840 I have to go to my new job. 235 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:44,560 Forget about this mind thing that is telling me to go home. 236 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:46,880 I have to say two things. 237 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,640 My mom was a very intuitive person. 238 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:53,130 And second, my mom listened to her intuition. 239 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,300 So at that moment, she stopped, turned around, and 240 00:12:59,310 --> 00:13:00,920 started to run back home. 241 00:13:02,110 --> 00:13:04,260 And then I'm looking at her from above and I'm 242 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:06,760 like, wondering like, why mom is running? 243 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,580 And then when, at that moment, I just look at 244 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:17,680 the horizon and I saw a dog, and I love animals. 245 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,380 And the moment I felt the sense, oh, I want 246 00:13:20,390 --> 00:13:21,650 to be with this dog. 247 00:13:22,305 --> 00:13:25,515 And just that desire brought me immediately 248 00:13:25,535 --> 00:13:26,535 to be with the dog. 249 00:13:27,935 --> 00:13:28,545 And I'm like, whoa! 250 00:13:29,745 --> 00:13:33,315 And then I changed my view and I saw a park. 251 00:13:33,315 --> 00:13:36,505 And in the moment I have the desire to be in the 252 00:13:36,505 --> 00:13:38,045 park, I am in the park. 253 00:13:38,875 --> 00:13:42,525 So now I'm like, whoa, this is so much fun! 254 00:13:43,895 --> 00:13:45,755 And now I am playing this game. 255 00:13:46,755 --> 00:13:50,115 And it's when I imagine, it's that realization 256 00:13:50,125 --> 00:13:53,675 that anything I knew about time and space changed. 257 00:13:54,890 --> 00:13:57,870 And now I could be anywhere at any time, and I'm 258 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:00,000 like, having so much fun. 259 00:14:00,510 --> 00:14:03,360 And it's like having fun playing like, this 260 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,780 game of going places. 261 00:14:06,650 --> 00:14:09,420 And then when I'm like having fun, I'm playing 262 00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:12,620 like, in another flash. 263 00:14:12,620 --> 00:14:14,450 It was like, everything in this experience was 264 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:15,800 like in a blink like that. 265 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:19,080 I appeared in a realm. 266 00:14:20,275 --> 00:14:24,425 And this realm was made of pure, bright, 267 00:14:25,035 --> 00:14:26,635 intense, shiny light. 268 00:14:27,595 --> 00:14:31,135 And that was the first time in almost my three years of 269 00:14:31,145 --> 00:14:36,855 life that I felt, I am home. 270 00:14:38,505 --> 00:14:39,585 I'm finally home. 271 00:14:40,405 --> 00:14:43,735 And it was that sense of, again, familiarity. 272 00:14:45,245 --> 00:14:47,555 And home is that sense where you, the place where 273 00:14:47,585 --> 00:14:50,855 you feel embraced, and you feel welcome, and you feel 274 00:14:50,865 --> 00:14:54,165 hugged, and you feel good, and I'm like, oh gosh, 275 00:14:54,165 --> 00:14:55,685 it's so good to be home. 276 00:14:57,335 --> 00:14:57,955 And then... 277 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,580 Something amazing happened at that moment. 278 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:08,290 Although I had seen my body suspended in the water up 279 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:12,240 to this point, I didn't have the realization, the clarity 280 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:14,300 that was not who I was. 281 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:17,780 So at this moment is when I just realized 282 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,290 I am not that body. 283 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:24,850 I am not that. 284 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:30,030 And it's when I realized myself as a being of light, 285 00:15:31,850 --> 00:15:35,860 and then it was the sense that I'm still having a sense of 286 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:40,980 self, but it was that feeling of, dissolving, melting. 287 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:44,750 And this sense of self, even vanish, Rod. 288 00:15:44,770 --> 00:15:50,120 It was, I experienced what I call nothingness and 289 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:52,270 some people get scared with the word nothingness. 290 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,900 Some call it non self, some call it emptiness, but to 291 00:15:56,900 --> 00:16:01,550 not sound scary is I give the analogy of imagine a big 292 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,240 stadium and in the middle of the stadium there's a little 293 00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:12,140 box and all you thought that you were was that little box. 294 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:15,420 All your knowledge, all you knew about the world. 295 00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:18,320 And imagine at three years old, my box was very small. 296 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:20,800 And that's what I thought I was. 297 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,210 And suddenly, I'm all of it. 298 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:29,100 So it's nothing because it's nothing you 299 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:33,280 knew, but wholeness, totality, connectedness. 300 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:39,470 So I guess the only words I could use, I was... 301 00:16:39,970 --> 00:16:43,520 And learning and many years later, of course, 302 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,520 at that moment, I didn't have any language, but I 303 00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:49,070 could say it was a moment of pure consciousness 304 00:16:49,070 --> 00:16:51,040 and presence, and bliss. 305 00:16:52,375 --> 00:16:53,125 I was just like, whoa. 306 00:16:54,815 --> 00:16:57,530 I would just say in reality, there's no 307 00:16:57,530 --> 00:16:59,060 words to describe this. 308 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:02,180 It took me many, many years to just put it together and say, 309 00:17:02,180 --> 00:17:03,830 this is what it seems it is. 310 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:05,710 See? 311 00:17:05,710 --> 00:17:06,555 But it is just wow. 312 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:10,895 And then when I am in my state of, wow, bliss. 313 00:17:11,835 --> 00:17:16,325 My mom finally arrived home and this is the 314 00:17:16,325 --> 00:17:17,735 other incredible thing. 315 00:17:17,795 --> 00:17:23,426 We live in a big house and she knew exactly where to go. 316 00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:27,290 Because this is the other thing, if she is wasting time 317 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:30,450 going to any other room, the body only can take so much. 318 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,430 So my mom is she knew where to go and she directed herself 319 00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:35,770 to the back of the house. 320 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:40,090 And my sister was still there, and people ask me, why your 321 00:17:40,090 --> 00:17:41,660 sister didn't go to the maid? 322 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:43,560 Guess what, Rod? 323 00:17:43,575 --> 00:17:45,445 We did not supposed to be in the patio. 324 00:17:45,745 --> 00:17:48,145 That was out of limits because of the tank. 325 00:17:48,145 --> 00:17:50,525 So when you're a child, you have the intelligence 326 00:17:50,525 --> 00:17:53,155 of knowing if I go there, I'm going to get scolded. 327 00:17:53,335 --> 00:17:56,825 So she wanted to help me out, but she couldn't. 328 00:17:58,085 --> 00:17:59,015 She was too little. 329 00:17:59,845 --> 00:18:02,385 And then, like I said, she was close to four. 330 00:18:02,795 --> 00:18:07,215 And the moment she saw mom, she's like mom, Ingrid is in 331 00:18:07,215 --> 00:18:08,885 the tank and I cannot get her. 332 00:18:10,055 --> 00:18:11,375 My mom jumped in the tank. 333 00:18:11,415 --> 00:18:12,235 She got me out. 334 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:17,480 Another incredible thing, call it synchronicity, 335 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:19,470 amazingness of life. 336 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:22,180 My mom worked with children and she knew how 337 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:23,400 to do CPR for children. 338 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:27,930 So she knew at that moment what to do because she said 339 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:32,040 when she pulled me out of the tank, I was completely pale, 340 00:18:32,050 --> 00:18:34,300 my lips, my nails were purple. 341 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,090 She said no breathing, no pulse. 342 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,560 She said I was like a raggedy doll. 343 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:43,050 And my mom started to do anything she knew 344 00:18:43,370 --> 00:18:44,700 to revive this baby. 345 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,710 But at this point, I didn't feel anything. 346 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:50,750 I was completely disconnected. 347 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:52,690 I was in my world of bliss. 348 00:18:53,910 --> 00:18:54,980 And I'm just there. 349 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:59,330 And the thing what happened is that... 350 00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:03,100 Again, this experience, everything like that, and 351 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,670 in just a blink is like I had jumped from the tallest 352 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:13,720 building in the world, and that was that sense of there 353 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,940 was nothing I could do to stop this, and I felt like I 354 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:22,805 was being pulled, like I was being vacuumed back and it 355 00:19:22,805 --> 00:19:26,175 was this fall and I started to, it was that sense of no! 356 00:19:29,015 --> 00:19:30,515 And I didn't want to come back. 357 00:19:30,545 --> 00:19:35,305 So once I'm back in the body I know I'm back 358 00:19:35,335 --> 00:19:39,485 because the sense of being cold, the sense of feeling 359 00:19:39,605 --> 00:19:43,575 unwell, that illness of the body the sense of like 360 00:19:43,605 --> 00:19:45,745 the, I lost that freedom. 361 00:19:46,385 --> 00:19:52,455 The sense of anger, I don't want to be here and I know 362 00:19:52,455 --> 00:19:55,305 that I just say to people that at this analogy, imagine 363 00:19:55,375 --> 00:19:59,895 your child is in an amusement park having fun and it's time 364 00:19:59,895 --> 00:20:02,525 to go home and he's like, you put the child in the 365 00:20:02,525 --> 00:20:06,025 car and he's nah, you cry, you're angry, you throw a fit. 366 00:20:06,895 --> 00:20:08,095 That's how I felt. 367 00:20:08,845 --> 00:20:10,305 I don't want to be here. 368 00:20:10,965 --> 00:20:12,075 So it was difficult. 369 00:20:14,285 --> 00:20:15,285 It was really difficult. 370 00:20:16,415 --> 00:20:21,405 Yeah, and from there, it was that, sense of 371 00:20:22,165 --> 00:20:23,515 not wanting to be here. 372 00:20:24,895 --> 00:20:27,465 And for my parents and for me, it was very hard 373 00:20:27,465 --> 00:20:28,935 because I stopped eating. 374 00:20:30,005 --> 00:20:35,235 And incredibly, although I was so young, there was a 375 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:36,755 before and an after Ingrid. 376 00:20:38,025 --> 00:20:43,865 And I can say this with all clarity because the 377 00:20:43,865 --> 00:20:48,140 moment I looked at myself, I said, I'm not this person. 378 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,190 I'm not this child. 379 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:53,190 And I will look at myself in the mirror and cry and come 380 00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:56,690 to my mom and say, understand, mom, this is not who I am. 381 00:20:57,530 --> 00:20:58,380 I'm not a child. 382 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,780 And then I said, this is not my name. 383 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:03,150 This is not who I am. 384 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:05,010 And I will look at my parents. 385 00:21:06,205 --> 00:21:09,215 And I didn't, it's just, I experienced 386 00:21:09,215 --> 00:21:10,385 a sense of oneness. 387 00:21:10,525 --> 00:21:13,465 So for me, they were not just my biological parents. 388 00:21:13,555 --> 00:21:15,655 I felt them as my equal. 389 00:21:16,715 --> 00:21:19,275 And I became very rebellious because I was 390 00:21:19,285 --> 00:21:21,845 like, why do I have to listen to these people? 391 00:21:23,395 --> 00:21:26,095 And then imagine looking at other people, 392 00:21:26,135 --> 00:21:27,515 at other children. 393 00:21:27,575 --> 00:21:30,085 I came back with all that awareness. 394 00:21:30,125 --> 00:21:33,280 And when I would look at other children, I said, What 395 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,250 is happening to these people? 396 00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:37,420 They don't know anything. 397 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,610 So I couldn't relate. 398 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:46,590 And then it was that sense of, I don't belong. 399 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:47,940 I don't belong here. 400 00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:51,660 And the other thing that also validated that this 401 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:56,170 child definitely came with other kind of awareness is 402 00:21:56,190 --> 00:22:00,220 because like I'm mentioning to you guys, I'm just about 403 00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:01,560 to be three years old. 404 00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:06,440 And now after the experience, not long after 405 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:07,630 I can read and write. 406 00:22:08,635 --> 00:22:08,805 I 407 00:22:08,835 --> 00:22:11,525 Ingrid Honkala: can resolve mathematical problems. 408 00:22:11,555 --> 00:22:13,755 I can put together complex puzzles. 409 00:22:13,795 --> 00:22:14,785 I can paint. 410 00:22:15,745 --> 00:22:18,265 I develop a more complex language. 411 00:22:18,735 --> 00:22:22,135 Although, I did not have the capacity to explain 412 00:22:22,135 --> 00:22:23,025 what was happening. 413 00:22:24,305 --> 00:22:28,785 So I was very frustrated, very angry, stopped eating. 414 00:22:29,045 --> 00:22:31,975 I reached the point I refused to even, 415 00:22:33,045 --> 00:22:34,955 I didn't even want to be touched. 416 00:22:35,755 --> 00:22:37,045 But thankfully for me, 417 00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:38,620 Rod Bland: The 418 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:40,550 Ingrid Honkala: help that I needed brought him in 419 00:22:40,550 --> 00:22:42,530 the most remarkable way. 420 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,040 And this way was the other thing that happened is that 421 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:53,175 after my near death, I started to have what we know today 422 00:22:53,245 --> 00:22:54,685 as out-of-body experiences. 423 00:22:56,455 --> 00:23:00,355 And then, during these out-of-body experiences, 424 00:23:00,375 --> 00:23:04,625 I started to go back to the realm of the light. 425 00:23:05,415 --> 00:23:07,465 It's oh, I have a space to be. 426 00:23:08,315 --> 00:23:09,385 I have a space to be. 427 00:23:09,865 --> 00:23:14,315 And although at the beginning, it was, I would just say... 428 00:23:15,035 --> 00:23:18,285 It felt hard for the body and for the mind because 429 00:23:18,285 --> 00:23:22,695 I was experiencing colors, movements, sounds, things 430 00:23:22,695 --> 00:23:26,415 that I have never experienced in my human experience 431 00:23:26,415 --> 00:23:27,815 to, to say it that way. 432 00:23:28,195 --> 00:23:31,655 And then, but every time I went to that realm of 433 00:23:31,655 --> 00:23:33,865 the light, I imagine it was like, oh, I'm home. 434 00:23:34,755 --> 00:23:35,345 I am home. 435 00:23:37,135 --> 00:23:42,055 And The way that the help came is that, in one of 436 00:23:42,055 --> 00:23:45,935 these journeys one day I was completely surrounded 437 00:23:45,945 --> 00:23:51,475 by Starlight figures and they were shining in all 438 00:23:51,495 --> 00:23:55,725 different colors and that was like absolutely magnificent. 439 00:23:55,955 --> 00:23:56,585 It's whoa. 440 00:23:56,965 --> 00:24:00,645 Imagine walking outside at night and looking at the 441 00:24:00,665 --> 00:24:03,535 most beautiful universe, but imagine this was all 442 00:24:03,535 --> 00:24:07,175 a white space with lights shining in all colors. 443 00:24:07,825 --> 00:24:10,935 And I was like, and now at this point in my life, 444 00:24:10,995 --> 00:24:15,250 of course they fired that lady let me drown. 445 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:16,550 Yeah. 446 00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:21,070 And then they hired a new lady, but I spent a 447 00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:22,390 lot of hours sleeping. 448 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:25,300 And if you don't have to take care of a baby because she's 449 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:26,890 sleeping, oh, that's good. 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,210 So she let me sleep. 451 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,900 And I slept a lot. 452 00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:37,440 And in another one of these journeys, one of these 453 00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:43,680 starlight figures that was shining in gold, shaped itself 454 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,900 into a human form to show me, look we are the same. 455 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,430 And it touched me. 456 00:24:50,325 --> 00:24:55,065 And it's when I said, you are a being of light. 457 00:24:56,395 --> 00:25:00,075 That's the reason why I call them beings of light, because 458 00:25:00,195 --> 00:25:03,255 as a child, and that's what I saw, a being of light. 459 00:25:03,935 --> 00:25:06,965 And then I woke up that day and I'm like, Whoa, 460 00:25:07,425 --> 00:25:09,805 imagine now I wanted to sleep all the time. 461 00:25:09,805 --> 00:25:12,315 I'm like, I want to be with the beings of light. 462 00:25:13,615 --> 00:25:16,355 And we need balance. 463 00:25:16,355 --> 00:25:18,835 Of course, I could not be the child that slept forever. 464 00:25:20,655 --> 00:25:23,585 So this balance happened. 465 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,180 Not long after, one day, I am taking a shower. 466 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:31,030 I'm very relaxed in the bathroom taking this shower 467 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,820 when right there in the bathroom a blue intense 468 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:41,760 shiny light appear and I'm like whoa now the beams of 469 00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:47,420 light are here and although at the beginning they didn't 470 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:50,970 say anything or do anything just their presence I started 471 00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:51,940 to see them everywhere. 472 00:25:52,975 --> 00:25:56,345 And now I just felt this sense of oh, I am, I feel good. 473 00:25:57,125 --> 00:25:58,425 I feel home. 474 00:25:58,505 --> 00:26:02,545 And this is very important, Rod, because many years later, 475 00:26:03,685 --> 00:26:07,515 I started to truly understand that concept of home. 476 00:26:08,195 --> 00:26:11,195 And it was that realization that, oh, I get it. 477 00:26:12,825 --> 00:26:15,525 Because I always remember I wanted to go there. 478 00:26:15,595 --> 00:26:16,845 I wanted to go there. 479 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,130 And once the beings of light started to manifest 480 00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:22,960 here, I started to feel the sense I want to eat. 481 00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:24,770 I want to play with my sisters. 482 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:26,980 Ah, I feel good. 483 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,180 I feel at home. 484 00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:30,630 So realizing, oh, I get it. 485 00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:32,680 Home is not a place. 486 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,800 It's a state of being. 487 00:26:36,505 --> 00:26:39,785 And this is the other thing I always say to people when they 488 00:26:39,835 --> 00:26:44,985 ask me, again, how can you remember if you were so young? 489 00:26:45,155 --> 00:26:47,495 I already mentioned all the contrast and stuff. 490 00:26:48,025 --> 00:26:49,095 But I always say. 491 00:26:49,925 --> 00:26:52,665 With all this, it's like the door for me never closed, 492 00:26:52,685 --> 00:26:56,025 because I kept having the out of body experiences, now 493 00:26:56,025 --> 00:26:58,765 communicating with beings of light, and I always say it's 494 00:26:58,805 --> 00:27:00,495 for me, the door never closed. 495 00:27:00,735 --> 00:27:04,485 It's not that near that, and ended there, but it kept going 496 00:27:04,495 --> 00:27:08,095 and going and going, and so for many times, I kept saying 497 00:27:08,095 --> 00:27:12,185 the door never closed, and years later, the being so 498 00:27:12,185 --> 00:27:16,545 light said to me, Ingrid, of course the door never closed. 499 00:27:17,175 --> 00:27:20,425 They said because in reality, there are no doors. 500 00:27:22,055 --> 00:27:25,925 They said what we call consciousness, God, the 501 00:27:25,925 --> 00:27:31,815 kingdom of heaven, the light is here for everyone, always. 502 00:27:33,305 --> 00:27:36,405 We are the ones that due to conditioning, that due 503 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:39,845 to beliefs, that due to experiences, fears, whatever 504 00:27:39,895 --> 00:27:44,205 traumas we want to call it, we create layers, we create 505 00:27:44,225 --> 00:27:45,905 doors, we close the windows. 506 00:27:46,835 --> 00:27:46,865 But... 507 00:27:49,095 --> 00:27:52,825 It's nice to make that decision at any moment to 508 00:27:52,845 --> 00:27:54,345 open up those doors again. 509 00:27:56,805 --> 00:28:00,265 And then, this is all beautiful because now in 510 00:28:00,275 --> 00:28:04,855 that state of feeling home, I started to play with 511 00:28:04,855 --> 00:28:09,185 my sisters, communicate more, be more of the 512 00:28:09,185 --> 00:28:14,825 world, but I was still throwing like big tantrums. 513 00:28:15,745 --> 00:28:18,755 Because I could not relate with my persona. 514 00:28:19,315 --> 00:28:21,095 I could not relate with my name. 515 00:28:21,095 --> 00:28:24,825 The experience, was it marked my life so strongly 516 00:28:24,825 --> 00:28:27,305 and the out of body experiences and everything 517 00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:30,995 else that I kept feeling, again, I'm not this child. 518 00:28:31,535 --> 00:28:32,955 This is not who I am. 519 00:28:33,985 --> 00:28:36,665 And like I was mentioning up to this point, I 520 00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:39,255 could feel the presence of the beings of light. 521 00:28:39,295 --> 00:28:40,435 I could see them. 522 00:28:41,225 --> 00:28:44,885 I could smell the smell of flowers. 523 00:28:46,895 --> 00:28:49,415 Every time they were present, it was like there was 524 00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:51,675 flowers blooming everywhere. 525 00:28:52,595 --> 00:28:59,175 And the first time I was able to hear them there was a day I 526 00:28:59,225 --> 00:29:03,565 threw a big tantrum and it was one night they were calling 527 00:29:03,565 --> 00:29:06,095 me for dinner and they're like Ingrid, come to dinner. 528 00:29:06,225 --> 00:29:09,755 I'm like, oh that name, that's not my name, I 529 00:29:09,755 --> 00:29:10,895 would get aggravated. 530 00:29:12,115 --> 00:29:14,985 And then the lady came, Ingrid, we're calling 531 00:29:14,985 --> 00:29:17,475 you for dinner, and I said, stop calling me 532 00:29:17,475 --> 00:29:18,755 like that's not my name. 533 00:29:19,645 --> 00:29:21,785 And she said, so what is your name? 534 00:29:21,825 --> 00:29:24,985 And I said, I do not need one. 535 00:29:27,425 --> 00:29:29,075 Imagine this right? 536 00:29:30,035 --> 00:29:30,425 So it's 537 00:29:30,475 --> 00:29:32,130 oh, yeah, you go to bed. 538 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,630 Come on, what do you do with a child like that? 539 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:37,300 And early seventies, they didn't understand 540 00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:40,390 anything about what was happening to this child. 541 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,600 And then I went to bed, I was feeling, of course, 542 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:48,570 angry and sad, and I just started to cry. 543 00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:53,450 And this went for the first time I was able to hear, 544 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,160 and it was this sweet, like this compassionate, loving, 545 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,111 kind voice that said to me: 546 00:30:01,965 --> 00:30:03,355 it's going to take time. 547 00:30:03,695 --> 00:30:05,615 Like in a whisper, like to me. 548 00:30:05,985 --> 00:30:08,525 It's going to take time for them to understand 549 00:30:08,695 --> 00:30:13,050 that names are not needed in the realm of the light. 550 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:19,260 And they said to me like, you already know. 551 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:22,130 So it was like, oh, I'm not crazy. 552 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,230 I know why I don't need a name. 553 00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:27,520 So it was that clarity and that understanding that 554 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:31,900 labels are not needed in the realm of the spirit. 555 00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:35,510 And of course Rod, later I understood that 556 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:37,160 names are beautiful. 557 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:39,420 They are needed in our human experience. 558 00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:41,350 They carry energy, whatever it is. 559 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:46,930 But at the core of the being, I knew I don't need a name. 560 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:51,810 And that's why later when the people ask me, who 561 00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:54,030 are the beings of light, what are their names? 562 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:54,840 What are these? 563 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,160 I said, it never was important to me because I 564 00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:04,260 learned to knew them at the place of no name, no label. 565 00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:07,640 And this is the other thing they said to me, 566 00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:12,495 look, your experiences and the ones that are coming 567 00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:14,985 someday you will share. 568 00:31:15,825 --> 00:31:19,075 None of this is for you to keep, but the time will come. 569 00:31:19,075 --> 00:31:21,035 For now you have to be quiet. 570 00:31:22,085 --> 00:31:24,785 And for me it was like, what is not to understand? 571 00:31:24,785 --> 00:31:26,615 I mean, this is my experience. 572 00:31:27,725 --> 00:31:30,895 But yeah, pretty soon I realized they're right. 573 00:31:30,915 --> 00:31:33,055 Because when I would talk about it, it would 574 00:31:33,075 --> 00:31:35,455 be like, she's dreaming, she's creating a story. 575 00:31:35,465 --> 00:31:39,505 Especially with children, we're always like, Yeah, she's 576 00:31:39,575 --> 00:31:43,955 making all this fantasy world so people didn't believe, 577 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:49,665 but they say there will be people in your path to guide 578 00:31:49,665 --> 00:31:53,195 you and to teach you and you will never be alone. 579 00:31:54,385 --> 00:31:57,525 And incredibly, it was like that. 580 00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:03,725 And the first person who validated that I was 581 00:32:03,735 --> 00:32:06,915 seeing things and validated what was happening to me 582 00:32:06,915 --> 00:32:08,985 was, thankfully, my mom. 583 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,130 Because otherwise I would have been taken to who knows 584 00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:17,570 where, to some, oh god, like medication, who knows why, 585 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,150 because look at what is this child, it's just not okay. 586 00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:26,420 But my mom, what happened is that I 587 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:27,420 started to go to school. 588 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:30,630 My mom was also very compassionate, very 589 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:32,460 loving, very caring being. 590 00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:35,980 And then when I started to go to school, the beings of light 591 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,860 told me not to talk about it. 592 00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:39,700 Okay, I understand, 593 00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:43,330 but they never said not to paint about it. 594 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:44,730 Rod Bland: Hehehe. 595 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:46,520 You gotta work around. 596 00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:52,550 And I started to paint beings of light everywhere. 597 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:56,620 So it was like I was painting books and everywhere. 598 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,850 And so the teacher being really curious, she's 599 00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:04,920 like, Hmm, Ingrid, are these stars, the sun? 600 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:09,890 And I said, No, these are my friends, the beings of light. 601 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:14,800 And the teacher like, Hmm, she's having 602 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,900 imaginary friends. 603 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:20,630 And then she called my mom and my parents, but 604 00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:23,250 my dad couldn't call, my mom came to school. 605 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:26,850 And then she's showing all these drawings and it's 606 00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:31,190 when we also discover on the conversation between them 607 00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:35,440 that about the paintings is later we realized that 608 00:33:35,470 --> 00:33:40,020 I could also see Auras because all my drawings were 609 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,980 painted with auras around. 610 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:47,830 And then it's when I am so desperate for 611 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:49,210 someone to believe me. 612 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:53,220 Imagine this child that feels I'm not crazy and I 613 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:54,900 want someone to validate me. 614 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,900 And I looked at my mom and I'm like, mom, these 615 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,090 are my friends, the beings of light, and these are 616 00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:00,991 the colors that we wear. 617 00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:08,590 And then my mom made this mom face like this 'be 618 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,050 silent' because she didn't want me to be in trouble. 619 00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:12,340 She was a teacher too. 620 00:34:13,555 --> 00:34:16,385 And she told the teacher, this is just a phase we're going to 621 00:34:16,385 --> 00:34:17,815 work at, nothing is happening. 622 00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:21,735 And then we left the school and now I'm like really sad. 623 00:34:22,505 --> 00:34:23,705 No one believes me. 624 00:34:24,025 --> 00:34:24,665 I'm alone in this. 625 00:34:25,985 --> 00:34:28,825 And when we are on the way home, my mom 626 00:34:28,985 --> 00:34:30,895 said, I believe you. 627 00:34:32,375 --> 00:34:37,185 And it's when she opened up to me and she said, I believe 628 00:34:37,185 --> 00:34:41,115 you because I also see things that others cannot see. 629 00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:46,485 So imagine, you know, I knew later that I was born in the 630 00:34:46,485 --> 00:34:50,085 bloodline, I was supposed to be born to support my 631 00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:54,375 experience because it wasn't just my mom, but in my 632 00:34:54,375 --> 00:34:58,175 family, there was a lineage of psychics and mediums. 633 00:34:58,265 --> 00:35:03,155 And so my mom revealed to me, she could see these things 634 00:35:03,195 --> 00:35:06,765 called spirits since she was a little child, but she has 635 00:35:06,795 --> 00:35:08,315 been told never talk about it. 636 00:35:09,845 --> 00:35:12,875 So she, in that moment, she said to me not 637 00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:13,715 to talk about it. 638 00:35:13,715 --> 00:35:16,895 So I, it was like listening to the beings of light. 639 00:35:16,935 --> 00:35:19,245 Okay, she's telling me the same thing. 640 00:35:21,605 --> 00:35:27,475 And, but the thing is that later in my life I 641 00:35:27,475 --> 00:35:30,925 started to also see what we call the spirits. 642 00:35:31,605 --> 00:35:34,005 And it's when I had that realization, I was six 643 00:35:34,005 --> 00:35:36,525 years old when I saw the First Spirit, and it's 644 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:39,385 when I told my mom the spirits and the beings of 645 00:35:39,385 --> 00:35:40,615 light are not the same. 646 00:35:41,815 --> 00:35:44,315 Because when I had the experience with the first 647 00:35:44,435 --> 00:35:46,965 spirit I will not talk about because it's too long, but 648 00:35:46,965 --> 00:35:48,755 it's written in the book. 649 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:49,170 Hehehe. 650 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:49,700 Yep. 651 00:35:49,965 --> 00:35:54,685 Ingrid Honkala: I went into panic, like serious scare. 652 00:35:55,625 --> 00:35:58,045 And then I, that's when I told my mom that 653 00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:59,085 they were not the same. 654 00:35:59,875 --> 00:36:04,115 And then my mom started to ask me to explain more, 655 00:36:04,145 --> 00:36:06,075 explain what I was seeing. 656 00:36:06,945 --> 00:36:10,955 And when I explained, my mom went into cry and she's I 657 00:36:11,005 --> 00:36:12,945 think that you see angels. 658 00:36:14,325 --> 00:36:16,795 And I said to her, Mom, I don't know. 659 00:36:16,795 --> 00:36:19,315 I don't think they're angels because they don't have wings. 660 00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,575 All we knew was the Catholic teaching. 661 00:36:22,605 --> 00:36:24,525 So she, but she said, they have to be your 662 00:36:24,525 --> 00:36:25,475 guardian angels. 663 00:36:26,335 --> 00:36:29,745 So she taught me she, she, it was beautiful she taught us to 664 00:36:29,795 --> 00:36:32,035 pray and the power of prayer. 665 00:36:32,105 --> 00:36:35,875 And then it's when, because I've been talking to the 666 00:36:35,885 --> 00:36:37,845 beings of light for a while, I'm like, okay, 667 00:36:37,845 --> 00:36:39,065 I better just ask them. 668 00:36:40,455 --> 00:36:43,595 And then, there was two important 669 00:36:43,595 --> 00:36:45,025 questions I asked them. 670 00:36:45,055 --> 00:36:49,385 First, I asked, what is with these dark spirits? 671 00:36:49,385 --> 00:36:53,545 And I called them dark because I was descriptive. 672 00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:54,315 I was a child. 673 00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:56,935 I saw them as like a dark silhouette. 674 00:36:57,065 --> 00:37:00,185 And because I felt fear, so for me, it 675 00:37:00,185 --> 00:37:01,695 represents something dark. 676 00:37:02,315 --> 00:37:09,760 And they said to me that you call spirits, you, us, in 677 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,880 essence, we're all the same. 678 00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:17,100 I was expecting to hear, yeah, we're all different, be 679 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,400 aware, no, we're all the same. 680 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:23,850 And they say the difference is the level 681 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:27,500 of awareness that you have about who you truly are. 682 00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:31,730 And they said, and some of these beings, they're just 683 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200 not aware who they are, and they get very attached to 684 00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:37,050 the matters of this world. 685 00:37:37,665 --> 00:37:38,755 And they lose their way. 686 00:37:40,835 --> 00:37:44,425 And it's when I realized that, of course, the fear I felt was 687 00:37:44,445 --> 00:37:47,295 because when I was connected with the beings of light, 688 00:37:47,295 --> 00:37:49,205 I was vibrating very high. 689 00:37:50,385 --> 00:37:52,525 When I encountered one of these beings, it was 690 00:37:52,525 --> 00:37:53,695 a matter of frequency. 691 00:37:53,695 --> 00:37:55,725 They were just vibrating lower. 692 00:37:56,285 --> 00:37:58,585 And that's what created the fear, but there was 693 00:37:58,595 --> 00:38:00,105 nothing wrong with them. 694 00:38:00,405 --> 00:38:04,795 See, so it was, now that I had that understanding, that part 695 00:38:04,795 --> 00:38:07,925 of thinking that they were bad or anything just went away. 696 00:38:08,495 --> 00:38:12,265 And they said, you, all of us, can help any being that 697 00:38:12,265 --> 00:38:18,615 is lost by just raising our vibrational frequency and 698 00:38:18,635 --> 00:38:20,695 just by knowing who we are. 699 00:38:21,305 --> 00:38:23,755 And the other question I asked them is my mom 700 00:38:23,785 --> 00:38:26,225 said that you are angels. 701 00:38:26,815 --> 00:38:27,895 Is that what you are? 702 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,100 And the answer was, this answer was actually 703 00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:35,500 very beautiful, because they said to me, we are 704 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:37,750 what you want us to be. 705 00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:43,220 And it's when I, it's just, it's that realization of the 706 00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:47,890 universe is so compassionate, that is going to give us 707 00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:53,265 things in the way that is good for our growth, that 708 00:38:53,475 --> 00:38:55,245 is for our own evolution. 709 00:38:55,285 --> 00:38:58,545 So it, it will present in the way for me at that 710 00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:01,535 moment, I was ready for what I was experiencing. 711 00:39:01,945 --> 00:39:04,555 So that was the path of my evolution. 712 00:39:05,615 --> 00:39:08,465 And later in life, when I asked them and started 713 00:39:08,465 --> 00:39:11,245 to learn about Ascended Masters, I just said, 714 00:39:11,555 --> 00:39:13,165 are you Ascended Masters? 715 00:39:13,455 --> 00:39:17,775 They said, again, at the core of our being, 716 00:39:17,785 --> 00:39:18,695 we're all the same. 717 00:39:19,965 --> 00:39:24,660 And this time they added, the difference is Experience 718 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,160 and awareness, how much experience you have and 719 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560 how much awareness you have gained through your 720 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,650 experience, how much mastery is what makes you master. 721 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,620 So this is just absolutely beautiful. 722 00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:44,240 The other thing, Rod, I want to share with you is that my 723 00:39:44,350 --> 00:39:48,660 path could not have been the way it is if my grandmother 724 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,840 did not come into my life. 725 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:54,790 My Father's Mother was a very spiritual person. 726 00:39:55,805 --> 00:39:58,805 Because through time I came to understand it's 727 00:39:58,825 --> 00:40:03,500 not the experience, but the purpose behind 728 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:07,500 experience it, we just get attached to the experience. 729 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:10,850 There's experiences of everything and we don't 730 00:40:10,850 --> 00:40:12,500 have understanding. 731 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:17,330 But my grandmother brought to my life the understanding. 732 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:21,460 So it was like, now she brought to my life 733 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:27,240 spirituality deftness, and then she started to, 734 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,460 I, she came to visit she was living in Venezuela. 735 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:33,080 She was not there all the time. 736 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:37,535 She, and she was raised as Catholic, but she started 737 00:40:37,535 --> 00:40:39,885 to look for all different ways because she always 738 00:40:39,985 --> 00:40:41,865 thought there has to be more. 739 00:40:42,795 --> 00:40:45,595 And she joined an order called the Rosicrucian 740 00:40:45,685 --> 00:40:49,145 Order, then she started to just study Hinduism, 741 00:40:50,475 --> 00:40:53,595 Kabbalah Buddhism the chakras, all kind of stuff. 742 00:40:53,635 --> 00:40:55,115 And she brought these teachings. 743 00:40:56,295 --> 00:40:58,825 And at the beginning it wasn't to me because I was 744 00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:01,775 little, but she brought it to my parents and I'm there and 745 00:41:01,775 --> 00:41:02,965 she's talking and I'm like, 746 00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:06,265 Grandma's talking like the beings of light. 747 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,320 And grandma and I became best friends. 748 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:13,200 And grandma at eight years old, taught 749 00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:14,500 me how to meditate. 750 00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:19,510 And I started to meditate, and it's when I had my 751 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:21,080 first Kundalini experience. 752 00:41:21,985 --> 00:41:24,255 I woke up in the middle of the night and the whole 753 00:41:24,255 --> 00:41:27,725 house was shaking after she taught me how to pray, how 754 00:41:27,765 --> 00:41:32,315 to meditate with the Om, and then from that point on and 755 00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:36,145 I started to have many more deep spiritual experiences and 756 00:41:36,245 --> 00:41:40,375 my grandma brought me books and by the age of nine I'm 757 00:41:40,385 --> 00:41:43,725 reading the Bhagavad Gita, books of self realization, 758 00:41:43,785 --> 00:41:49,185 books of discernment, all kind of stuff like that opened the 759 00:41:49,185 --> 00:41:52,525 path of spirituality, that was just all complemented. 760 00:41:52,575 --> 00:41:53,945 It was just amazing. 761 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:58,120 Rod Bland: That's quite a a reading repertoire for 762 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,160 a nine year old to have. 763 00:42:00,335 --> 00:42:02,765 can remember when I was about, I think I was eight 764 00:42:02,805 --> 00:42:05,505 actually, and my mum and dad asked me what I wouldn't, 765 00:42:05,555 --> 00:42:07,375 wanted to, for my birthday. 766 00:42:07,385 --> 00:42:09,495 And there was this really thick book that was called 767 00:42:09,655 --> 00:42:11,385 Explaining the Unexplained. 768 00:42:11,765 --> 00:42:13,075 And I said, that's, I want that book. 769 00:42:14,755 --> 00:42:17,075 And they didn't really blink an eye to their 770 00:42:17,075 --> 00:42:17,875 credit actually. 771 00:42:18,565 --> 00:42:20,945 So it's good that you had parents and grandparents 772 00:42:20,945 --> 00:42:22,495 that didn't think that was particularly weird. 773 00:42:22,495 --> 00:42:23,555 That was all quite normal. 774 00:42:25,805 --> 00:42:28,055 Ingrid Honkala: That was, and like the beginning, so 775 00:42:28,055 --> 00:42:31,465 like I said, these people will be put in your path to 776 00:42:31,465 --> 00:42:32,675 guide you and to help you. 777 00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:35,345 So I just felt the guidance. 778 00:42:35,865 --> 00:42:40,325 But the other thing Rod is that maybe when I mentioned 779 00:42:40,335 --> 00:42:43,875 it like this, it all makes seem like easy, but it wasn't. 780 00:42:44,945 --> 00:42:48,875 Because even though I was having my grandma, my 781 00:42:48,875 --> 00:42:52,185 mother, and I mentioned the abilities, I mentioned all 782 00:42:52,185 --> 00:42:55,675 these things, it all seemed too good, but in reality... 783 00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:01,550 All that also kind of be really good turned into 784 00:43:01,550 --> 00:43:06,750 a big burden because I did not fit in the world. 785 00:43:07,315 --> 00:43:09,345 I could not relate with other children. 786 00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,735 At school I was being bullied. 787 00:43:12,125 --> 00:43:16,105 I, for my age, I didn't know while other children are 788 00:43:16,145 --> 00:43:19,595 playing with all different other things, I'm in this 789 00:43:19,655 --> 00:43:23,760 other world where I feel I don't belong and I would 790 00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:28,620 cry and I would look at the sky and ask God and say to 791 00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:30,720 God, What is the manual? 792 00:43:32,335 --> 00:43:34,125 Why you brought me like this? 793 00:43:34,165 --> 00:43:36,445 Why I cannot be like anyone else? 794 00:43:36,715 --> 00:43:38,145 And it was very difficult. 795 00:43:38,765 --> 00:43:43,235 So in terms of trying to belong and trying 796 00:43:43,235 --> 00:43:46,395 to have a human experience was very hard. 797 00:43:47,035 --> 00:43:48,205 I could not ground. 798 00:43:48,285 --> 00:43:49,625 It was very difficult. 799 00:43:49,675 --> 00:43:54,335 So it's that part where there's a lot of 800 00:43:54,335 --> 00:43:56,565 good, but there's also a lot of challenge. 801 00:43:57,145 --> 00:44:02,595 And growing up with all these made me, just feel very I 802 00:44:02,595 --> 00:44:05,705 would just say disjointed and separated from the world. 803 00:44:06,375 --> 00:44:10,245 And to the point that at the age of 12, I 804 00:44:10,245 --> 00:44:12,555 told my grandmother that I wanted to die. 805 00:44:12,605 --> 00:44:14,955 I developed existential depression. 806 00:44:14,955 --> 00:44:17,355 I didn't want to be here because I didn't 807 00:44:17,455 --> 00:44:18,615 feel that I belonged. 808 00:44:19,545 --> 00:44:22,555 And then my grandma, of course, is so worried. 809 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,700 For my birthday, my 12th birthday, look, imagine a 810 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,670 girl that I am nine years old, going back a little 811 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:35,320 bit, and I'm doing my first communion and my love for God, 812 00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:40,050 while for other girls was the dress, the party, the thing. 813 00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:45,050 I was honestly, truly, deeply in love with God. 814 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:49,860 So for me, it was like the deafness of it for me 815 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:53,990 was like, now I can just dissolve and disappear. 816 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,370 See, I, and I wanted, because I was in a Catholic school, 817 00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,910 I wanted to become a nun because I thought that was 818 00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:05,230 it, and then I go to the priest at a school and I 819 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,930 started to talk to him and mention things that they 820 00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:12,190 didn't understand and said, you cannot talk about fear 821 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:14,930 because fearing God is wrong. 822 00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:18,320 God is love, how can you fear the one that 823 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,100 loves you the most? 824 00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:23,330 The priest at the time didn't understand. 825 00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:26,080 He was not there to listen to this child and he's I, 826 00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:29,960 so at that moment he was mad at me, put me to pray. 827 00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:31,600 Those are the words of the devil. 828 00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:34,910 So it was that place where I even feel I don't even 829 00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:36,250 belong to these people. 830 00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:38,160 How can I become a nun? 831 00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:39,840 This is not my path either. 832 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:42,640 So imagine I fell, there's no place for me. 833 00:45:43,955 --> 00:45:46,345 And my grandmother was so worried. 834 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:48,445 I was 12, about to be 12. 835 00:45:48,475 --> 00:45:51,915 For my birthday, she brought me to this little 836 00:45:52,365 --> 00:45:53,585 Zen Buddhist temple. 837 00:45:55,595 --> 00:45:58,205 And it was unheard in Colombia. 838 00:45:58,525 --> 00:46:01,885 It was like this little place in the middle of nowhere. 839 00:46:02,425 --> 00:46:05,845 Because 98% of the population at the time was Catholic. 840 00:46:06,485 --> 00:46:10,155 And she, or 95, I don't know, but a very high number. 841 00:46:10,495 --> 00:46:12,255 And she brought me there, and then... 842 00:46:13,595 --> 00:46:16,575 When I entered this place, I felt, oh, I felt 843 00:46:17,255 --> 00:46:20,735 that sense of peace and I was being welcomed. 844 00:46:21,485 --> 00:46:25,675 And then my grandma talked to the monk and he 845 00:46:25,675 --> 00:46:28,635 taught me this breathing meditation technique. 846 00:46:29,665 --> 00:46:32,995 And it was there when I just felt, oh, that 847 00:46:33,115 --> 00:46:34,365 sense of home again. 848 00:46:35,445 --> 00:46:37,825 And then at the end I told him, I don't think, and 849 00:46:37,825 --> 00:46:40,015 I was so worried, I don't think I can come back 850 00:46:40,035 --> 00:46:42,865 because my grandmother is a very busy woman. 851 00:46:45,355 --> 00:46:50,165 And it's when the monk turned to me and he said, you never 852 00:46:50,165 --> 00:46:54,945 need to come back because you already have a temple. 853 00:46:55,895 --> 00:46:57,035 And I said, what do you mean? 854 00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:00,835 And he said to me, you are the temple. 855 00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:06,480 So wherever you are, you can do this meditation technique. 856 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,180 Wherever you are, you can become the master 857 00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:10,400 of your own temple. 858 00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:13,580 Oh, that was huge. 859 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,870 And now it's it's when I got practice of even and it's when 860 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:23,290 I started to really feel the importance and the love and 861 00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:25,550 the respect for this temple. 862 00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:28,765 But again, I was very disjointed from the 863 00:47:28,765 --> 00:47:31,565 other people, from the school, from all the other 864 00:47:32,135 --> 00:47:34,035 staff and my sisters. 865 00:47:34,155 --> 00:47:37,345 Now is the time where we're growing up having boyfriends 866 00:47:37,345 --> 00:47:40,295 and parties and things and they were trying to just 867 00:47:40,785 --> 00:47:43,225 putting me the hair and the makeup and the clothing. 868 00:47:43,225 --> 00:47:44,645 And Ingrid, you have to belong. 869 00:47:44,645 --> 00:47:46,985 And I'm like, okay, I didn't know what to do. 870 00:47:47,035 --> 00:47:49,095 And it was very difficult. 871 00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:50,245 It was hard. 872 00:47:50,725 --> 00:47:53,575 So when I started college was the time when I 873 00:47:53,625 --> 00:47:57,785 said, Oh, I have to be like everybody else. 874 00:47:58,535 --> 00:48:02,395 My need to belong was such Rod that I was like, 875 00:48:03,095 --> 00:48:04,625 I just, I have to fit. 876 00:48:05,595 --> 00:48:06,455 I have to fit. 877 00:48:06,995 --> 00:48:11,505 If I didn't, I think I felt I could not just stay here. 878 00:48:11,505 --> 00:48:15,865 It was that, that really deep feeling of I need 879 00:48:15,975 --> 00:48:17,555 to belong to this world. 880 00:48:18,875 --> 00:48:22,055 And it's when I had an experience where it's 881 00:48:22,545 --> 00:48:26,755 all in the book, but I felt like dissolving with 882 00:48:26,755 --> 00:48:30,065 the whole, going to that space again of wholeness. 883 00:48:31,025 --> 00:48:36,540 And then It's when I, the beings of light in those days 884 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,505 asked me if I wanted to teach. 885 00:48:40,395 --> 00:48:45,045 If I wanted to do this work of teaching what this spiritual 886 00:48:45,045 --> 00:48:48,965 path, and I said, no, I don't want to teach anything. 887 00:48:49,435 --> 00:48:50,605 I don't want to do this. 888 00:48:50,625 --> 00:48:53,105 I want to be like everybody else. 889 00:48:54,615 --> 00:48:56,355 I just want to belong. 890 00:48:56,385 --> 00:48:58,105 I was tired not to belong. 891 00:48:58,735 --> 00:49:03,015 And then I, and the other thing happened when I 892 00:49:03,045 --> 00:49:05,565 came back from that very profound experience, 893 00:49:05,665 --> 00:49:06,855 I had two questions. 894 00:49:08,085 --> 00:49:11,475 I said, when did we stop being one with the whole, 895 00:49:12,645 --> 00:49:15,505 and how is it possible to forget who we truly are? 896 00:49:16,985 --> 00:49:19,425 And it's when the beings of light said, in 20 897 00:49:19,435 --> 00:49:20,515 years you will understand. 898 00:49:21,995 --> 00:49:23,885 Because at this moment I wasn't ready. 899 00:49:23,985 --> 00:49:28,345 My sense of wanting to have this human 900 00:49:28,375 --> 00:49:30,875 experience to belong was greater than anything. 901 00:49:32,505 --> 00:49:35,045 So I told them that I just needed to do my own thing. 902 00:49:36,340 --> 00:49:38,030 And that's the compassion of the universe. 903 00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:39,170 They said, okay. 904 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,090 And then they said for now on, you will not see 905 00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:46,290 us or hear us the way you have been doing it. 906 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,410 And people ask me, how could you do this to 907 00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:50,560 the beings of light? 908 00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:53,330 And I said, how could you leave home? 909 00:49:53,590 --> 00:49:56,830 When I give the analogy of when you go to college, 910 00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:59,710 you leave home and you leave your parents behind. 911 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:00,610 How could you do that? 912 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,550 It's the same thing. 913 00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,030 The parents, the beings of light became like my parents. 914 00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:08,740 So my analogy is I left home, I went to college, 915 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,310 but your parents are always one call away. 916 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,700 Same thing, it's not like I deleted the beings of light 917 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:19,440 from my life, it's like that close relationship I had of 918 00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:24,670 being with them right there needed to have some distance 919 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,990 and that was needed for me. 920 00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:31,200 And I picked a career as a scientist, I needed, I picked 921 00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:33,760 at that moment marine biology. 922 00:50:33,785 --> 00:50:36,475 It was a career of science. 923 00:50:36,475 --> 00:50:41,065 It helped me ground and it was what I needed at the moment. 924 00:50:41,085 --> 00:50:43,845 And I started to pick friends and the first boyfriend I 925 00:50:43,855 --> 00:50:47,825 had were very grounded with parties and life and things 926 00:50:47,825 --> 00:50:49,175 that I needed to ground. 927 00:50:49,215 --> 00:50:52,035 So that was important at that moment. 928 00:50:52,065 --> 00:50:53,845 And I think that's what I needed. 929 00:50:53,865 --> 00:50:56,955 And the other thing that I said is that I give the 930 00:50:56,955 --> 00:51:01,135 analogy of imagine that I was in a room with the lights on. 931 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,600 And for 19 years, the lights, although I had many 932 00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:12,250 challenges related with my inner being, it was a 933 00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:13,560 different kind of challenges. 934 00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:18,150 The moment I just imagine, I put the example of a room like 935 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:20,170 this and the lights are on. 936 00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:23,300 You can see the furniture when the lights are on. 937 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,980 The moment I left home or I told the beings of light, bye 938 00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:30,290 bye, let me go do my life. 939 00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:32,580 It's like the lights in the room turned off. 940 00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:37,370 And now the room is full of furniture with no lights. 941 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:39,860 You start tripping with everything. 942 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:47,480 So for the next few years in my life, many challenges, 943 00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:52,080 big challenges started to happen in my life. 944 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,235 And a lot of sufferings and it was a very hard and 945 00:51:57,245 --> 00:52:00,605 difficult terrain that I had to face after that. 946 00:52:02,495 --> 00:52:03,105 Yeah. 947 00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:05,820 So you'd foregone that support that you'd had all 948 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,500 that time because you felt like you just, you needed to 949 00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:11,790 do your own thing and then there was this period where 950 00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:15,650 You had that experience that you weren't expecting that 951 00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:17,240 you would have, but that I guess that was something 952 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,070 that needed to occur. 953 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,910 So at what point, it sounds like there was some, obviously 954 00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:23,430 there was some reconnection with the beings of light. 955 00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:25,320 Was that when you, because I haven't got that far 956 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,060 in the book yet, so this is all unknown me now. 957 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,660 Was that when you had your next near death experience 958 00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:30,720 or how did that come about? 959 00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:36,225 No when I had my second near death experience, it 960 00:52:36,225 --> 00:52:40,505 was the time where I was already going through, wow, 961 00:52:40,545 --> 00:52:42,055 big challenges in my life. 962 00:52:42,135 --> 00:52:44,635 I was you will go to the part where I was almost 963 00:52:44,635 --> 00:52:45,495 raped and murdered. 964 00:52:46,305 --> 00:52:49,155 The part where I had relationships that were very 965 00:52:49,205 --> 00:52:54,695 difficult, even relationships of almost just abuse, and 966 00:52:55,285 --> 00:53:00,205 then I fall into after that relationship, it was, things 967 00:53:00,205 --> 00:53:04,135 were so hard in my life, and I had a motorcycle accident. 968 00:53:05,715 --> 00:53:07,745 It was like, that shook my life at that moment. 969 00:53:07,745 --> 00:53:10,525 It put a stop in that moment in my life for 970 00:53:10,535 --> 00:53:11,845 me to change direction. 971 00:53:12,535 --> 00:53:14,915 And in that motorcycle accident. 972 00:53:15,535 --> 00:53:18,215 What happened was that I will not tell the whole story. 973 00:53:18,435 --> 00:53:19,025 It's too long. 974 00:53:19,155 --> 00:53:22,455 It's in the book, but it's I was fearful of motorbikes 975 00:53:22,455 --> 00:53:24,145 because it was my first one. 976 00:53:24,555 --> 00:53:29,365 And I was going in and up in a mountain and I was, somebody 977 00:53:29,385 --> 00:53:30,675 was sitting behind me. 978 00:53:30,675 --> 00:53:31,885 We're driving the bike. 979 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,710 And then I don't know what happened, but I just, 980 00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:40,420 I guess fear of being, going up a hill and I just 981 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,800 lost balance and we fell. 982 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,420 And then when I was going to change gear, I just the 983 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,420 bike did a jump and I got scared and then I didn't 984 00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:51,850 even know what happened. 985 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,680 But next, all I see is that I am standing in 986 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,820 the middle of the road. 987 00:53:58,410 --> 00:54:02,840 And again, it's the sense of no pain, no 988 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,850 fear, nothing wrong. 989 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:11,570 There was nothing, and I will just already bring 990 00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:14,790 it to clarity that this experience is been so 991 00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:18,620 important in my life later on when people ask me what 992 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:22,800 happened when somebody, when a person you love died 993 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,590 in a traumatic accident. 994 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,040 Or in a very bad accident like that. 995 00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:32,200 I can tell you with clarity from the experiences of many 996 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,330 other near death experiences that there is no pain, there 997 00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:42,950 is no suffering, there is no fear, there is not, none 998 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:46,760 of it, you just, again, it's that sense of freedom 999 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,520 and home and openness and it's just oh, there's There 1000 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,490 was not emotions there. 1001 00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:56,790 That was even later is when my mom was like, 1002 00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:58,170 how is it possible? 1003 00:54:58,310 --> 00:55:00,230 Because it was just none of it. 1004 00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:08,350 And when I'm experiencing and I am seeing light and 1005 00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:13,070 again I'm walking home is when somebody picked me up 1006 00:55:13,090 --> 00:55:14,690 in the scene of the accident. 1007 00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:18,230 And now I can feel a body. 1008 00:55:19,925 --> 00:55:24,895 And it was so scary because at that point, just to 1009 00:55:24,895 --> 00:55:28,965 that point, is when any emotion came into play. 1010 00:55:29,295 --> 00:55:29,775 Fear. 1011 00:55:30,375 --> 00:55:32,715 Because I can feel someone touching me but 1012 00:55:32,715 --> 00:55:34,065 I cannot see the person. 1013 00:55:35,755 --> 00:55:39,345 And then I started to touch my face because I don't know why 1014 00:55:39,415 --> 00:55:43,105 I cannot see this person and I realized that I was blind. 1015 00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:48,940 Because what happened is that I did not have a helmet and 1016 00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:53,410 my head hit the ground so hard that I had a head concussion. 1017 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,520 And then I was picked, brought to the hospital. 1018 00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:02,410 And only in the hospital, I started to recover my 1019 00:56:02,410 --> 00:56:03,890 vision little by little. 1020 00:56:04,330 --> 00:56:05,830 It was a big head trauma. 1021 00:56:06,310 --> 00:56:11,670 And then, being at the hospital with the doctor 1022 00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:14,250 later is that imagine the fear of like blind. 1023 00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:14,780 No I mean like wow. 1024 00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:21,650 So, I'm there later with my friend, who was, 1025 00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:23,220 nothing happened to him. 1026 00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:27,100 And we're with the doctor, and he said to me that, I... 1027 00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:32,320 lost my vision the moment I hit the ground because 1028 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:35,750 I probably at that moment my optic nerve just 1029 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,250 disconnected, and I said, it cannot be possible. 1030 00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:42,670 I said, it cannot be possible because when I'm standing in 1031 00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:47,910 the middle of the road, and I am seeing light, and I'm 1032 00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:51,330 feeling the sense of being home, I'm doing extremely 1033 00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:52,960 well, I see the light. 1034 00:56:55,245 --> 00:56:57,715 And it's when my friend said, Ingrid, you could 1035 00:56:57,715 --> 00:57:01,635 not have seen any light because first, it happened 1036 00:57:01,635 --> 00:57:05,225 at night, and second, the road where the accident 1037 00:57:05,235 --> 00:57:06,545 happened was pitch black. 1038 00:57:07,345 --> 00:57:09,325 It was not light. 1039 00:57:10,225 --> 00:57:14,015 And he said, and second, you never stood up. 1040 00:57:15,815 --> 00:57:19,115 Different from my first near death, I didn't have the 1041 00:57:19,125 --> 00:57:24,070 awareness that I left the body like that, but I was like 1042 00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:25,240 I said, you never stood up. 1043 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,710 So it's when I realized I was seeing the light 1044 00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:30,730 with the eyes of the soul. 1045 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,860 And this is another incredible experience because it's 1046 00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:39,070 the proof that I was seeing with my eyes, losing the 1047 00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:41,720 physical eyes because I was blind at that moment. 1048 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,980 Show me, look, you are seeing with your spiritual eyes. 1049 00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:50,600 And from, now I knew because from, since I was little, 1050 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,730 seeing, hearing, beings of light being and all this 1051 00:57:53,770 --> 00:57:57,120 taught me, oh, I am hearing with my spiritual ears, 1052 00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:59,140 seeing with my spiritual eyes. 1053 00:57:59,690 --> 00:58:01,200 And that was all day. 1054 00:58:01,550 --> 00:58:04,660 Later on, understanding these abilities and how to 1055 00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:07,730 work with all these, but that's what happened with 1056 00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:09,230 that motorcycle accident. 1057 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,430 And at that moment, I was living in an island 1058 00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:12,960 and my life was there. 1059 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,500 And this was the turning point for me to leave the island 1060 00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:20,150 and go to move to Europe. 1061 00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:23,070 And I was in Europe for a couple of years. 1062 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,270 So this completely changed. 1063 00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:28,430 This made just a turn in my life. 1064 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,760 And that's when, all that experiences 1065 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,570 came in the future. 1066 00:58:32,570 --> 00:58:35,410 I came back to Colombia after being in Europe, 1067 00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:37,080 moved to a war zone. 1068 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,920 I was already a marine scientist, marine 1069 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,150 biologist, and I went to work with the Colombian 1070 00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:48,640 Navy, moved to an area that was pretty dangerous. 1071 00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:53,020 There has been an oil spill and they hired me to do an 1072 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:57,360 environmental work in this area as the head of the 1073 00:58:57,470 --> 00:59:01,620 biology and ecology department for the Colombian Navy. 1074 00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:07,420 But I was born in a country at war, but it was very different 1075 00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:10,690 to live in the capital, in the city that was protected 1076 00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:12,850 than go live in the jungle. 1077 00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:17,130 And now I am facing the fears of the war. 1078 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:20,950 And for three years, On my life, I didn't know if I was 1079 00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:22,590 going to be alive next day. 1080 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,960 And, one thing I have to say after my two near death 1081 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,330 experiences is that after the first two is that I 1082 00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:31,410 lost the fear of death. 1083 00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,350 And I have proof of that with other experiences I, 1084 00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:40,890 I talk about in the book, but it was not fearing 1085 00:59:40,890 --> 00:59:44,150 death when I am in the war zone, it's fearing what 1086 00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:45,350 they're going to do to you. 1087 00:59:46,325 --> 00:59:50,255 If you get kidnapped, if you get, what they will do to 1088 00:59:50,255 --> 00:59:54,635 you hold you hostage rape you you never see home again. 1089 00:59:54,695 --> 00:59:55,445 It's terrible. 1090 00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:58,475 So imagine being in this stress for three years. 1091 01:00:00,755 --> 01:00:04,820 Then finally in, in all this time I had the possibility 1092 01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:06,125 to meet my husband. 1093 01:00:07,175 --> 01:00:12,095 We fell in love, and then I moved to the United States 1094 01:00:12,185 --> 01:00:19,065 and here I did my PhD, and started to work as a scientist 1095 01:00:19,105 --> 01:00:23,435 and oceanographer for NASA and then for the Navy. 1096 01:00:23,695 --> 01:00:27,465 And it was in this time of my life that, although all 1097 01:00:27,465 --> 01:00:32,525 these incredible things were happening for me, I had been 1098 01:00:32,625 --> 01:00:37,125 so disconnected now from my inner so disconnected 1099 01:00:37,125 --> 01:00:41,045 from the beings of light, so disconnected and I felt 1100 01:00:41,065 --> 01:00:43,715 through time for and you reading the book because 1101 01:00:43,715 --> 01:00:46,955 people said, how can your book is brutally honest. 1102 01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,255 How could you because you will read more of oh my God, how 1103 01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:51,265 could you write about that? 1104 01:00:51,275 --> 01:00:55,685 I was like, I had to be transparent because it was 1105 01:00:55,695 --> 01:01:00,000 the way to show how healing can happen because at this 1106 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,090 point in my life, for many mistakes I made, I felt I 1107 01:01:03,090 --> 01:01:05,070 wasn't deserving of God. 1108 01:01:05,070 --> 01:01:07,770 I wasn't deserving of the beings of light, I wasn't 1109 01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:09,000 deserving of spirituality. 1110 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,090 And then again, life brought me back to the path. 1111 01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:18,830 And when I am living here in the United States, I 1112 01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:21,260 have the possibility to go meet the Dalai Lama. 1113 01:01:22,055 --> 01:01:22,475 Wow. 1114 01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:27,800 I spent, yeah, and I had the incredible opportunity to 1115 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,660 go to India and spend one week in Dharamsala, India, 1116 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,770 receiving his teachings. 1117 01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:39,250 So that was like, again, like the door and what 1118 01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:42,770 happened in the opening of the door was that I felt, 1119 01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:45,420 this is contradicting, but at the beginning I fell 1120 01:01:45,420 --> 01:01:47,250 into a deeper depression. 1121 01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:49,900 But it was not caused by him, it was because the 1122 01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,750 moment I'm sitting next to him holding his hand. 1123 01:01:53,805 --> 01:01:57,365 My mind is like in 10 million places. 1124 01:01:57,605 --> 01:01:58,525 What can I ask you? 1125 01:01:58,525 --> 01:01:59,325 What can I tell you? 1126 01:01:59,325 --> 01:02:00,145 Blah blah blah blah blah. 1127 01:02:00,185 --> 01:02:04,775 And it's when I said, it's stop. 1128 01:02:06,005 --> 01:02:10,345 My consciousness is when I realized I have lost my way. 1129 01:02:10,385 --> 01:02:13,115 I am so separated from... 1130 01:02:13,645 --> 01:02:17,585 The truth that I am, and I fell into this 1131 01:02:17,585 --> 01:02:18,515 very deep depression. 1132 01:02:18,515 --> 01:02:20,105 I had become really busy. 1133 01:02:20,105 --> 01:02:22,145 I had become very distracted. 1134 01:02:22,555 --> 01:02:26,575 I had become also very angry and all the things 1135 01:02:26,575 --> 01:02:31,525 stress, all the things that we see in many people in 1136 01:02:31,525 --> 01:02:36,385 society, very divided and complaining and all the stuff. 1137 01:02:36,445 --> 01:02:40,445 And then, I fell into very deep depression, but at the 1138 01:02:40,445 --> 01:02:44,215 end that deep depression and what we call the dark night 1139 01:02:44,215 --> 01:02:49,725 of the soul brought me to the healing and brought me to the 1140 01:02:49,725 --> 01:02:52,615 deafness and brought me to what I call a big awakening. 1141 01:02:53,705 --> 01:02:59,165 And from that time on, depression ended and the book 1142 01:03:00,105 --> 01:03:06,610 started to happen and then I've been working in Service. 1143 01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:07,590 How can I serve? 1144 01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:08,620 How can I serve? 1145 01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:14,190 That's my asking to God every day since that big awakening 1146 01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:19,725 that I had 12 years ago and it's just been amazing 1147 01:03:20,095 --> 01:03:25,015 and if you have a question there or you want me I could 1148 01:03:25,695 --> 01:03:28,335 just go on in like my 30 1149 01:03:28,605 --> 01:03:29,105 a couple. 1150 01:03:31,705 --> 01:03:34,295 So the first one is, so the beings of light, I'm 1151 01:03:34,295 --> 01:03:36,535 fascinated by your description of them as a child. 1152 01:03:36,735 --> 01:03:38,645 Are they sort of part of your everyday life 1153 01:03:38,645 --> 01:03:40,855 now like they were when you were much younger? 1154 01:03:42,345 --> 01:03:46,655 Yes, once I had my my awakening, what I call my 1155 01:03:46,655 --> 01:03:48,815 big awakening 12 years ago. 1156 01:03:49,275 --> 01:03:52,975 My connection with the beings of light came back in full 1157 01:03:52,975 --> 01:03:56,565 again and because I thought about committing suicide, 1158 01:03:56,705 --> 01:04:01,515 so I was very depressed and what happened that day is 1159 01:04:01,515 --> 01:04:06,135 beautiful because it was first, that realization of 1160 01:04:06,325 --> 01:04:10,575 give yourself one more day, give yourself one more day. 1161 01:04:10,805 --> 01:04:11,325 Yeah. 1162 01:04:11,435 --> 01:04:15,065 second, it was that knowing of if you kill yourself, nothing 1163 01:04:15,065 --> 01:04:16,615 is going to change in reality. 1164 01:04:16,845 --> 01:04:20,495 Yeah you leave this shell, but you're not resolved. 1165 01:04:20,715 --> 01:04:22,985 And you have to be little again and repeat a lot of 1166 01:04:22,985 --> 01:04:23,975 the little part of stuff. 1167 01:04:24,035 --> 01:04:26,465 And I'm like, Oh God, no, yeah. 1168 01:04:27,045 --> 01:04:28,375 Let's see if I can solve it. 1169 01:04:28,405 --> 01:04:32,155 So it was all that started to, clarity coming to my 1170 01:04:32,155 --> 01:04:37,845 head and I gave myself one more, one more day and then 1171 01:04:39,365 --> 01:04:45,415 next day when I woke up, I just received with clarity 1172 01:04:45,415 --> 01:04:49,785 the message, go look for help, go look for help. 1173 01:04:50,755 --> 01:04:53,985 And like I'm saying to you, I was a scientist. 1174 01:04:53,985 --> 01:04:56,255 I, at that point, I was very busy. 1175 01:04:56,595 --> 01:04:58,535 I have become very successful. 1176 01:04:58,535 --> 01:05:00,125 I just thought I don't need help. 1177 01:05:01,245 --> 01:05:02,845 But at this moment, I knew. 1178 01:05:03,415 --> 01:05:04,145 Yes, I do. 1179 01:05:04,745 --> 01:05:06,425 So this was the first time that I really 1180 01:05:06,425 --> 01:05:07,535 went to look for help. 1181 01:05:07,785 --> 01:05:12,375 And then I look, I went to, and I googled psychologists in 1182 01:05:12,375 --> 01:05:17,485 my area, and I wrote the name on a paper, and then I wrote 1183 01:05:17,495 --> 01:05:24,085 the name on a paper, and then that very day, I went to the 1184 01:05:24,085 --> 01:05:29,490 NASA cafeteria, met one of the colleagues, and she said 1185 01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:34,650 to me that her daughter had a very traumatic experience 1186 01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:37,450 and she was visiting this doctor that was an amazing 1187 01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:40,750 doctor, and that was the same doctor I had in my paper, in 1188 01:05:40,935 --> 01:05:41,355 Wow. 1189 01:05:41,610 --> 01:05:42,540 Rod Bland: my little paper. 1190 01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:46,860 And then that very day, another person from another 1191 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,260 completely different place mentioned the same doctor. 1192 01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:53,490 I'm like, come on, this cannot be a coincidence. 1193 01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:55,460 It's clear I'm getting a message. 1194 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,620 And then I went to meet that doctor. 1195 01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:04,540 And this doctor is the one that started to help me in 1196 01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:06,350 that process of reconnection. 1197 01:06:06,350 --> 01:06:12,090 And he told me to write all my sufferings as a 1198 01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:13,720 cathartic kind of practice. 1199 01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:18,260 After I was seeing him for a while, he happened to be the 1200 01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:19,940 right person, very spiritual. 1201 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,550 And now we're seeing that more and more in the people 1202 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,180 that practice psychology. 1203 01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:27,090 And then he was very open. 1204 01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:29,660 And then I could tell him anything and he wasn't 1205 01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:31,920 going to, Oh my God, this lady lost her mind. 1206 01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:35,120 No, little by little I realized he's good. 1207 01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:38,440 And then I can trust him and feel safe. 1208 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,130 And then when I wrote this list of sufferings and he read 1209 01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:50,000 it, he's Whoa, he said, In my 30 something, 37 years of 1210 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,150 practice, I have never seen anyone that has suffered this 1211 01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:55,790 much and is mentally stable. 1212 01:06:57,025 --> 01:06:58,575 He said, I'm impressed. 1213 01:06:58,995 --> 01:07:01,545 And I'm like, but I'm like, what? 1214 01:07:02,545 --> 01:07:05,345 I never thought I was the person that suffered the most. 1215 01:07:05,355 --> 01:07:07,375 So I was like, that was a big shock. 1216 01:07:07,405 --> 01:07:11,005 And I, it's when this question that I've been asking all 1217 01:07:11,005 --> 01:07:14,995 my life and that we humans, we all ask all the time is, 1218 01:07:15,285 --> 01:07:19,685 came and I said, why me? 1219 01:07:21,145 --> 01:07:21,725 Why me? 1220 01:07:22,525 --> 01:07:23,195 And I'm crying. 1221 01:07:23,195 --> 01:07:24,195 I'm like, why me? 1222 01:07:25,255 --> 01:07:27,705 And it's when he answered the most incredible thing. 1223 01:07:27,965 --> 01:07:31,285 He gave me the answer that turned the light on. 1224 01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:35,850 The light back on in the room and the answer 1225 01:07:35,850 --> 01:07:37,190 when I said why me? 1226 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,640 He said why not? 1227 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:41,550 Why not? 1228 01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:45,300 And then he started to say look thanks to this you have 1229 01:07:45,330 --> 01:07:47,900 done this and thanks to this you have done that and thanks 1230 01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:50,900 to this and that and I'm like whoa and I started to 1231 01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:55,710 type all the notes all the notes and I'm like wow and 1232 01:07:55,710 --> 01:07:59,430 I started to find purpose behind all my experiences 1233 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,335 and I went from the state of feeling a victim to gratitude. 1234 01:08:07,085 --> 01:08:10,165 And I also realized that he had been listening 1235 01:08:10,565 --> 01:08:13,885 and the power of healing when people listen. 1236 01:08:15,225 --> 01:08:19,935 And I'm like, that was a miracle that day itself. 1237 01:08:19,975 --> 01:08:22,805 Everything that happened that day was this big miracle 1238 01:08:22,805 --> 01:08:26,665 because I would say a miracle if I change in perception. 1239 01:08:27,075 --> 01:08:30,925 My whole perception about my life and my life experience 1240 01:08:31,645 --> 01:08:36,665 changed and now I'm in the place of gratitude to the 1241 01:08:36,665 --> 01:08:40,405 point I'm like, I wouldn't change absolutely anything. 1242 01:08:41,485 --> 01:08:43,635 All my sufferings are my growth. 1243 01:08:44,285 --> 01:08:46,515 All my traumas are my growth. 1244 01:08:47,085 --> 01:08:50,105 Now I can use all these to even be more empathic, 1245 01:08:50,695 --> 01:08:53,575 more compassionate, more kind, more open, more 1246 01:08:53,605 --> 01:08:57,035 giving, more at service because I know how you feel. 1247 01:08:57,935 --> 01:08:59,585 She's like, Oh my gosh. 1248 01:09:00,115 --> 01:09:01,395 So this was amazing. 1249 01:09:01,425 --> 01:09:03,415 And then another miracle happened. 1250 01:09:04,705 --> 01:09:09,305 This was the moment when I'm sitting there and I'm 1251 01:09:09,305 --> 01:09:15,455 realizing the only thing that is truth, the only 1252 01:09:15,485 --> 01:09:20,155 truth is this moment, that I'm talking to this 1253 01:09:20,155 --> 01:09:22,365 doctor and nothing else. 1254 01:09:23,495 --> 01:09:27,645 Everything else is in my head and I can do 1255 01:09:27,845 --> 01:09:30,935 whatever I want with this. 1256 01:09:32,745 --> 01:09:34,985 Imagine the sense of empowerment. 1257 01:09:36,350 --> 01:09:37,710 I'm not a victim. 1258 01:09:38,860 --> 01:09:41,160 I'm not the puppet of my reality. 1259 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,300 I'm not the puppet of my narrative. 1260 01:09:43,350 --> 01:09:44,320 I became present. 1261 01:09:45,770 --> 01:09:48,250 And then when you become present, you become the 1262 01:09:48,250 --> 01:09:49,500 creator of your reality. 1263 01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:54,290 And then the other thing that happened at that moment 1264 01:09:54,340 --> 01:09:59,070 is that I discovered the true meaning of forgiveness. 1265 01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:06,290 And it was realizing that, wow, in reality, 1266 01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:07,840 there's nothing to forgive. 1267 01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:09,530 Because I discovered something. 1268 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,820 That nothing ever happened to me. 1269 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,580 It happened for me. 1270 01:10:17,310 --> 01:10:22,140 So if absolutely everything happened for me, then 1271 01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:23,130 what is to forgive? 1272 01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:26,360 If everything is being... 1273 01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:28,410 the path in my path. 1274 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:34,000 So at that moment, it was this place where I am like, I 1275 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,780 could tell that nothing needs to be forgiven or absolutely 1276 01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:40,940 everything was forgiven. 1277 01:10:43,195 --> 01:10:45,695 And I am just in gratitude. 1278 01:10:46,305 --> 01:10:49,095 So imagine when I walk out of that office, right? 1279 01:10:49,095 --> 01:10:52,495 I was like walking in the clouds then I am sitting 1280 01:10:52,495 --> 01:10:55,855 in my car and I'm driving my car and that's when the 1281 01:10:55,855 --> 01:10:58,945 connection with the beings of light came back full 1282 01:10:58,945 --> 01:11:01,265 on and I'm driving my car. 1283 01:11:01,295 --> 01:11:03,355 And it's when I started to feel that. 1284 01:11:04,005 --> 01:11:06,595 And even beyond that, what we call beings of light 1285 01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:10,365 at that moment, it was God itself, the light itself, 1286 01:11:10,375 --> 01:11:15,850 I started to feel that absolutely everything. 1287 01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:19,150 Every part of my being, the windshield, the 1288 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,950 wheel, the experience, the light, everything was the 1289 01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:24,050 light of consciousness. 1290 01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:26,680 Everything was God. 1291 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,080 There was nothing that wasn't it. 1292 01:11:31,290 --> 01:11:32,770 And I even had to stop the car. 1293 01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:40,130 I'm like, whoa, and I'm like, oh, I'm just completely melted 1294 01:11:40,210 --> 01:11:42,000 in the presence of the divine. 1295 01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:47,340 And then at that moment, I knew that 20 years had passed. 1296 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,870 Remember, they said in 20 years you will understand, but 1297 01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:52,440 of course I wasn't counting. 1298 01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:53,860 I forgot the 20 years. 1299 01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:54,660 Wow, come on. 1300 01:11:55,820 --> 01:11:59,250 And then I'm in the car and I know 20 years passed 1301 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,170 because the two questions that I have asked 20 years 1302 01:12:03,220 --> 01:12:04,320 before were answered. 1303 01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:08,370 And the questions were how is it possible to 1304 01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:10,190 forget who we truly are? 1305 01:12:10,935 --> 01:12:15,675 And when did we disconnected from source? 1306 01:12:16,365 --> 01:12:17,295 How is it possible? 1307 01:12:18,005 --> 01:12:18,815 When all this happened? 1308 01:12:19,945 --> 01:12:22,485 And the answer was beautiful, the answer was 1309 01:12:22,515 --> 01:12:25,995 one never stopped being one. 1310 01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:29,180 One never left the source. 1311 01:12:30,450 --> 01:12:35,610 One just became distracted and seemingly forgot. 1312 01:12:38,530 --> 01:12:42,670 So that the answer came directly from the light 1313 01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:45,180 and the connection full on came back. 1314 01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:50,500 And then, yeah, from that moment on, I just started to 1315 01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:56,950 work again from the place of How can I fully reconnect? 1316 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,330 But of course I had a lot of work to do, Rod, and I have 1317 01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:06,050 dedicated my life from then to using tools for healing. 1318 01:13:06,430 --> 01:13:08,570 I was diagnosed with post traumatic stress 1319 01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:11,550 disorder, which I now call post traumatic growth. 1320 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,900 And I've been using all different tools and 1321 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,120 ways to heal because of being so light set. 1322 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,480 Your inner child work starts. 1323 01:13:19,955 --> 01:13:23,765 Now, and that was beautiful because I can use all these 1324 01:13:23,775 --> 01:13:25,415 tools to help other people. 1325 01:13:25,455 --> 01:13:29,345 So that's just been this incredible path 1326 01:13:29,495 --> 01:13:31,485 of just growing and growing and growing 1327 01:13:31,485 --> 01:13:33,595 evolving, peeling layers. 1328 01:13:35,335 --> 01:13:38,085 And from all these that have happened, I think one 1329 01:13:38,085 --> 01:13:45,325 of the greatest, I think, awareness and experiences 1330 01:13:45,325 --> 01:13:47,875 between all of these I have had was last year. 1331 01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:51,050 Which experience itself, of course is, I don't 1332 01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:53,880 wish anybody a near death experience, and I don't want 1333 01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:56,340 anyone to think that having a near death experience is 1334 01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:58,760 good, because it's very hard. 1335 01:13:59,690 --> 01:14:04,580 But last year I had my last near death experience, and 1336 01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:07,220 it happened during a surgery. 1337 01:14:09,150 --> 01:14:11,270 But this was finally what have opened the 1338 01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:13,790 door for me to truly... 1339 01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:17,320 Live life to the fullest. 1340 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,450 And why? 1341 01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:22,830 Because for many years with my two first near 1342 01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:25,820 death experiences, I wanted to die because I 1343 01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:27,190 wanted to go back there. 1344 01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:30,840 You always was the sense of like when I am going 1345 01:14:30,910 --> 01:14:33,990 home in reality, when I'm going to go over there. 1346 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,030 And in my last near death experience, one 1347 01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:41,980 thing that happened before the experience, 1348 01:14:41,980 --> 01:14:43,850 I was guided to the right doctors. 1349 01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:46,820 Doctors that were going to listen to me. 1350 01:14:48,525 --> 01:14:52,075 Because otherwise, I knew beforehand that I was 1351 01:14:52,075 --> 01:14:54,125 going to have problems with my blood pressure. 1352 01:14:55,315 --> 01:14:56,425 They listened to me. 1353 01:14:56,965 --> 01:14:58,955 They were monitoring my blood pressure 1354 01:14:59,185 --> 01:15:00,485 throughout the surgery. 1355 01:15:00,655 --> 01:15:03,415 My blood pressure dropped dramatically. 1356 01:15:04,005 --> 01:15:05,555 I went into hypothermia. 1357 01:15:06,635 --> 01:15:09,635 And when I'm in all this experience of the body, 1358 01:15:11,095 --> 01:15:14,405 for the first time, from the three experiences, 1359 01:15:14,415 --> 01:15:18,675 for the first time, I was asked if I wanted to leave 1360 01:15:18,795 --> 01:15:21,015 or I wanted to come back. 1361 01:15:21,505 --> 01:15:23,665 Oh, so things were getting a bit more 1362 01:15:23,665 --> 01:15:24,985 serious this time around. 1363 01:15:25,225 --> 01:15:25,525 Yeah. 1364 01:15:25,740 --> 01:15:28,360 Ingrid Honkala: Yes, and usually people are 1365 01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,420 asking, it's not your time, you have to come back. 1366 01:15:31,690 --> 01:15:33,550 In my case, it was amazing. 1367 01:15:33,550 --> 01:15:37,770 It was like, okay, you want to stay or you want to go back? 1368 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,960 And the moment they asked me if I wanted to stay, it was 1369 01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:45,400 that sense of oh, home again. 1370 01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:46,770 Of course I want to stay. 1371 01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:50,045 This is like a, 10 million diamond resort. 1372 01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:50,885 I want to stay. 1373 01:15:50,885 --> 01:15:51,725 I want to stay. 1374 01:15:52,495 --> 01:15:55,405 But when they ask when the light asked me, oh, 1375 01:15:55,405 --> 01:15:57,115 you want to go back? 1376 01:15:59,665 --> 01:16:03,995 I said, wait a minute, because I have been 1377 01:16:03,995 --> 01:16:11,645 practicing awareness for so long, being present, being 1378 01:16:11,755 --> 01:16:15,145 conscious at that moment, I said wait a minute. 1379 01:16:15,145 --> 01:16:16,185 Is this a test? 1380 01:16:16,645 --> 01:16:16,865 And. 1381 01:16:19,935 --> 01:16:21,925 Of course, is that also realization, no 1382 01:16:21,925 --> 01:16:22,975 one is testing me. 1383 01:16:22,975 --> 01:16:24,225 I'm testing myself. 1384 01:16:24,435 --> 01:16:25,785 Is this a test? 1385 01:16:26,945 --> 01:16:35,605 I said, because if God is everything, and if God is 1386 01:16:35,975 --> 01:16:42,705 everywhere, and absolutely everything is a manifestation 1387 01:16:42,705 --> 01:16:47,325 of God, so where is here and where is there? 1388 01:16:49,865 --> 01:16:52,055 I said no, there is not here. 1389 01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:54,710 And there is not there. 1390 01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,480 So it was the ultimate knowing is only presence, is only 1391 01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:03,420 consciousness, is only God. 1392 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,040 Home, I'm at home already, no matter where I am. 1393 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,300 And then the only thing I said in that moment, 1394 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,800 look, I am in the state of absolute detachment. 1395 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,760 There's no judgment. 1396 01:17:17,970 --> 01:17:21,190 So when you're in this place, it's that sense of 1397 01:17:21,220 --> 01:17:24,460 I'm not thinking my son, my husband, my family. 1398 01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:28,620 If I leave them nothing, remember I am home. 1399 01:17:29,570 --> 01:17:32,270 So it's the knowing that everything is all 1400 01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:35,870 right, whatever is to happen is all right. 1401 01:17:37,340 --> 01:17:41,760 And then my only answer at that moment was, keep me where 1402 01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:44,550 I can serve God the most. 1403 01:17:46,410 --> 01:17:50,150 And it's when the attachment, the thought about my husband, 1404 01:17:50,150 --> 01:17:54,750 my son, my family, my sisters, all the stuff that I needed 1405 01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:56,880 for anchoring came back. 1406 01:17:57,740 --> 01:18:00,730 And now I was pulled back on earth. 1407 01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:05,450 When now I have that absolute knowing I am home. 1408 01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:09,320 And then from that point on, I started to walk 1409 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,790 my life of truly living. 1410 01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:17,520 And it's when I said it's not about a near death experience, 1411 01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:22,320 it's none of that, it's about a near life experience. 1412 01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:28,480 How can I use this human experience with all these 1413 01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:33,270 contrasts, all these challenges, all this 1414 01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:39,480 diversity, and all these things to wake up, to be 1415 01:18:39,490 --> 01:18:49,090 more aware, to be to be more human and divine. 1416 01:18:50,765 --> 01:18:54,675 It's let's use this as an opportunity to 1417 01:18:54,675 --> 01:18:56,095 remember who I am. 1418 01:18:58,455 --> 01:19:01,655 And that's where I am now, Rod, and it's just 1419 01:19:01,655 --> 01:19:03,825 been, been amazing. 1420 01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:07,320 Ingrid, this has been such a privilege for 1421 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,030 me to hear your story. 1422 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,700 You are such a great storyteller, and the 1423 01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:14,340 light just shines out of you like nothing 1424 01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:15,450 I've experienced before. 1425 01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:19,650 So let's finish up by if people wanna find more about 1426 01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:21,200 what you do and how you do it. 1427 01:19:21,255 --> 01:19:21,975 Where should they go? 1428 01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:25,450 They can go to my website. 1429 01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:28,540 I have a website, IngridHonkala.com. 1430 01:19:29,930 --> 01:19:33,810 And yeah, and in this moment, I do one on one 1431 01:19:33,810 --> 01:19:35,170 sessions with people. 1432 01:19:35,170 --> 01:19:39,990 I do talks, mentories, I try to do retreats 1433 01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:41,040 when it's possible. 1434 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,460 All the possible ways I can communicate with people. 1435 01:19:45,550 --> 01:19:51,010 All these beautiful videos and podcasts and yes, and in 1436 01:19:51,150 --> 01:19:56,115 my website they can find all that information and also I 1437 01:19:56,125 --> 01:20:00,225 have the media pages and I have a beautiful newsletter 1438 01:20:00,875 --> 01:20:02,325 that I share every Monday. 1439 01:20:02,375 --> 01:20:04,125 Yeah, just go to my website. 1440 01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:05,650 Okay, great. 1441 01:20:05,690 --> 01:20:08,150 And have you got any final message that you'd like to 1442 01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,330 leave for people that might be watching this video? 1443 01:20:11,775 --> 01:20:14,515 Yes, I would love to share with people 1444 01:20:14,515 --> 01:20:15,665 that one of the ways, 1445 01:20:15,665 --> 01:20:17,655 because people ask me, How can I connect 1446 01:20:17,655 --> 01:20:18,675 with beings of light? 1447 01:20:18,675 --> 01:20:20,245 I wish I could just do what you do. 1448 01:20:20,245 --> 01:20:28,335 I said, the way is first, learn to calm the mind. 1449 01:20:29,985 --> 01:20:33,325 And second, learn to live in gratitude. 1450 01:20:34,625 --> 01:20:36,845 And people say, how can I live in gratitude? 1451 01:20:36,845 --> 01:20:40,265 Life is so hard and I, it's when the being of life said 1452 01:20:40,265 --> 01:20:45,405 to me, Ingrid, you don't imagine how gr, how grateful 1453 01:20:45,405 --> 01:20:50,155 people would be if they realize that for you to exist. 1454 01:20:51,105 --> 01:20:52,935 Trillions and trillions and trillions of 1455 01:20:52,935 --> 01:20:57,275 subatomic particles have to be in agreement. 1456 01:20:58,815 --> 01:21:00,945 They have to agree to be you. 1457 01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:05,070 You are a divine intention. 1458 01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:07,700 Remember that. 1459 01:21:08,050 --> 01:21:10,770 So now every time I see a person even I see this pen, I 1460 01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:16,560 see a glass of water, I drink this water with that sense of 1461 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,640 wow, trillions and trillions of subatomic particles agree 1462 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,390 to be this pen, agree to be this water for me to drink it. 1463 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,040 And somebody that was connected with the 1464 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,540 creative thinking of the universe thought about 1465 01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:36,470 this pen and these atoms are responding to that. 1466 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,870 Oh my God, this is the way I live my life. 1467 01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:43,930 How can even the little, little things, the flower, 1468 01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:46,590 the birds singing, the smile in your child. 1469 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:48,860 Learn to see God. 1470 01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:53,950 I said God is playing hide and seek with us and our 1471 01:21:53,980 --> 01:21:54,950 mission is to find him. 1472 01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:57,840 So learn to live in gratitude. 1473 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,030 Gratitude is the highest vibrational 1474 01:22:00,050 --> 01:22:01,510 frequency there is. 1475 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,930 So when you are in gratitude, you will Gratitude are the 1476 01:22:06,970 --> 01:22:10,290 things that make you feel great, the things you love. 1477 01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:14,080 So love is a synonym of gratitude. 1478 01:22:15,170 --> 01:22:19,010 Being in that place of love, gratitude, and you'll 1479 01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:21,270 find your joy, you'll find your calmness, you'll 1480 01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:26,350 find a way to talk to the universe, talk to God. 1481 01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:29,220 Gratitude. 1482 01:22:29,470 --> 01:22:30,200 I'll remember that. 1483 01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:31,520 That's a great message. 1484 01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:35,320 Ingrid, thanks so much for your time today and thank you 1485 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:36,480 for being a guest on my show. 1486 01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:39,510 Thank you so much for inviting me. 1487 01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:40,480 I'm very grateful. 1488 01:22:40,820 --> 01:22:40,910 It's 1489 01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:42,130 Rod Bland: been my pleasure 1490 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:42,610 you, Rod.