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We are here at Healing Hands Physical Therapy and

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body work with Dr. Jamie Pribyl and Dawn Cushing.

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So Jamie owns Healing Hands, Physical Therapy and Body Work,

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So,

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Jamie, I want. I know. I know you guys pretty well because we've done some

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marketing and different things, and I've been in for therapies

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twice and will be in again. So you do

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this business model completely different than a normal

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physical therapy clinic. So tell me about that and

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why that is. So just to start out.

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When I first became a physical therapist, it was because I loved

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the human body so much, and kinesiology and anatomy

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just completely fascinated me. It's actually kind of funny because

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when I took all those tests in college of like, what do you want to

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be when you grow up? They came out as a P.T. or a hairdresser.

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And I did not want to be a P.T.. I mean, I really liked the

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medical. I thought maybe I'd be a doctor or do something.

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But I had gone to physical therapy when I was in high school. I had

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bilateral knee pain. I was a runner, played soccer, and I went to P.T.

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and it was a joke. I mean, they had me do

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exercises that I did more strengthening in my weights class. And then

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the P.T. would come around and stretch my it band for five minutes,

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crank on me. Knee made my knees worse. And then he'd leave.

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And so, yeah, so. And then I actually ended up rehabbing

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myself and figured out how to get myself better.

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And so I really didn't want to be a P.T. at first. It's like, so

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you were doing that work on yourself like as a teenager. 16. Yeah. Wow.

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Yeah. I do find it fascinating that you should either be

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a P.T. or a hairdresser. Obviously,

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I don't want to sit behind a desk. Here I am. No. And here we

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are.

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Okay, so with the physical therapy and jump in when you have something to say

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too, on all this, because I know you know a lot about it. And you've

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been a patient here too, which is why you started working here.

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No, actually, I had never had physical therapy before.

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I've been really, really lucky that I have never had a whole lot of chronic

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pain to deal with in my life. The worst thing is

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migraines. But as a physical person and yoga teacher and a gym

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rat, I wish I had known that I could schedule physical therapy

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just to get a body tuned up. Like you go to the chiropractor or

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you go to get a massage. I wish I had known what physical

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therapy could entail, but I had no idea until the first time Jamie

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worked on me. Yeah. So it can be just. It is, you know, can be

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for keeping the body moving and not just when you're have

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a break or a tear or something like that. So you do it way different.

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Why do you. So I know you told me you didn't like it at all

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the way it was done. So what do you do when you have clients come

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in? Well, so, I mean, once you go to P.T. school, I mean, there's. People

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don't realize how much a P.T. knows. I mean, we know a lot about

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the human body. And there's, you know, it's always, okay, my back hurts, I'm going

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to go to a chiropractor. Maybe if my knee hurts, I'm going to go to

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the orthopedist. But then after surgery, I go to P.T.s. I think what most

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people tend to think. But I mean, we know joint mobilizations, we know

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myofascial release. We can work with the nervous system. I mean,

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we know nutrition, we can hit it all.

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And so when you go to a standard

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physical therapy clinic, when it's insurance based,

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immediately the second you take insurance, you become part of the rat race.

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Because I thought about it when I opened up my Clinic. I was like, okay,

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if I take insurance, then immediately I have to hire someone

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to bill that insurance and deal with the headache of insurance, which is a

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full time job. So if I wanted to see 20 patients

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a week to make income cash based, right. I

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only needed 20 patients a week cash based to match my

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salary or above what I was making at the time. Now

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if I did insurance, then they don't pay very much

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and they dictate the care, right? So immediately I have

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to hire someone to pay this. So that means I have to see twice as

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many, which means then I have to hire a tech for them

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to take them around to do the exercises. Because there's no way that I can

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spend an hour with that many people and pay me and my front office person

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and still somehow make a profit. So once you take

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insurance, you're immediately in the rat race. I mean, obviously there's going to be some

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that maximize it and we'll see as many patients as possible to make as much

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money as possible. And others are like, nope, we're only going to put in two

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an hour and we can make our salaries, but we're not making an exorbitant amount

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of profit. But yes, insurance,

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I mean, it typically follows Medicare. You can negotiate your contract,

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but there's very little wiggle room there. They pay

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more for certain things than they do others. So for example,

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when you were walking around with a technician who is 19 years old,

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fresh out of high school, going to school to maybe be a P.T.

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pre P.T., and they're with you doing all of those

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exercises, the P.T. is getting

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paid more for that than when they are with you doing hands on hand,

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like hands on work, like doing joint mobilizations, doing myofascial

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release. All those things that are the very skilled things, they don't get

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paid for, so. Or they get paid

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significantly less for, let's say that. So a doctor gets paid significantly less for

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that. The physical therapist, right? Yes.

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Because you are a doctor of physical therapy though, right? So you get paid less.

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I get paid less for manual therapy than I do for therapeutic exercise.

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Wow. Yeah. So you can do therapeutic exercise over there

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across the room with a tech. Or I can be working on someone, which is

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how a lot of people will do it if they don't use techs. Okay, I'm

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gonna watch you from the other side of the room while I'm trying to work

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on someone. So it forces them to multitask and. Okay,

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okay. Do three sets of ten of that. Okay, well, I can see that they're

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doing it incorrectly. But I'm working with this patient right now and I can't go

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over there. So I'm just going to say, okay, lift your leg a little bit

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more. Yeah, okay, that's good. You know, like where in here I have.

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I'm on. My hands are on the person and they're lifting their leg and they're

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lifting it too far forward and they're firing the hip flexors when I

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want them firing the hip extensors. And I can like adjust their pelvis and

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say, see, feel the difference here? This is how you want to be doing this

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exercise. Because I don't need to be multitasking with

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other people. Because we charge enough

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that we can spend one on one time with people and they can get the

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true quality care that everyone should be getting. I wish I could

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do this for everyone. I wish I could take insurance, but then doors wouldn't stay

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open. So. Right, right. And then you're limited to on what you

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can treat. And so if someone comes in with knee pain,

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insurance is going to say, physical therapist has six visits to treat knee pain and

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knee pain only. But Jamie can take a look at someone and say, oh,

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well, your pelvis is out or your ankle is doing something weird. And if I

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fix that, then I know that their knee is gonna feel a little better. And

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then we can start working on all the other things, doing the exercises.

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And that's how all things work. Right? So like when people come in with knee

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pain, I mean, unless they slipped and fell and tore their meniscus, which

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even with that, it's like, well, why did that happen? But

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knee pain never comes from the knee. That's the weakest link. So

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the way that the body works is that there's certain joints that are moving and

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other joints that are not. And so if a joint is not moving, a joint

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nearby is going to move more to take out the slack

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and that's the joint that breaks down. Right? So we can do

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exercises to strengthen this joint all we want, but if this isn't

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moving, we can strengthen it. But then this is still not moving.

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This is still going to stay hyper mobile. It's going to move too much to

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pick up the slack. So we need to mobilize this joint. So

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I mean, almost always with a knee, it's like you've got a tight ankle, you've

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got a tight pelvis or hip or something like that. And

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so if I go and I mobilize that hip or pelvis or

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ankle and then I document that Now, I personally have never actually

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had a problem because it's just the way I document. I mobilize pelvis to

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release so it would take the pressure off the knee. Right. And. But to

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document, well, takes time. And you don't get paid to document.

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You get paid to see clients. And so you're at the end of the day,

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you have 30 charts to do. People just whip it out really

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quickly. So then they don't. They didn't document exactly why and how. And then they

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get denied. Well, why are you working on the pelvis? They came in for the

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knee. Why are you working on the ankle when they came in for the knee?

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Denied. And they'll dictate how many visits. So I

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had one time somebody came in post op. Shoulder. Okay. So

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for. So if you have a shoulder surgery like a rotator

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cuff replacement, there is a protocol for every doctor. Everyone knows

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it. Six weeks, you are not allowed to move that shoulder. Okay.

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You need physical therapy for those six weeks because shoulders get frozen. They get really,

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really tight very quickly. So you need someone to be

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actively moving your shoulder for you to get that moving,

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because you cannot be firing those muscles. You might rip through them. You just had

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them repaired, sutured. Okay. Right. So

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prescription is usually okay. Go to physical therapy for two to three times a

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week during that six weeks. So we're looking at 12 to

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18 visits. Okay. But the insurance, there's been

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multiple cases. The insurance, literally after six visits says, all

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done, no more, not medically necessary. They

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have not even gotten out of the passive range of motion phase yet. They can't

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be doing exercises at home. There's nothing they can do. I mean, there's some

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range of motion stuff that we can show them how to. Okay, don't move your

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arm. Use. Use a pulley system or use a wand.

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But it's not the same as someone like taking your arm and stretching

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it and then getting in and releasing all that scar tissue and those

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tissues that need to be moving. And I mean, we're the ones that know which

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way the joint supposed to move. I mean, you don't realize how complicated

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joints are. Some. It's hollow here and it glides this way.

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Otherwise it's concave hair and it goes this way. And

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so it's not just a matter of just moving it up and down. You have

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to know the mechanics and the way the joints are shaped

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in order to mobilize them correctly. And patients don't know that.

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Right. But the insurance says nope after six. And then what happens after.

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So you see. You see that client, say, for six visits, and the

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insurance shuts them down, and they go off on their happy way, and they go

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back to playing pickleball. Let's say what happens.

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They get worse, or they injure themselves again or they hurt something else,

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Then they end up in P.T. again or somewhere else. And then they say, well,

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I had a bunch of P.T. after my surgery, but it didn't work.

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That wasn't. Yeah, you really didn't do what was needed. So

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either A, yes, the insurance prevented them from doing what

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normal P.T. needed to be, or B,

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I mean, even if they did complete it, you go to standard physical

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therapy, your pelvis is locked up, and they give you knee

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exercises. And so you're working on the knee, and it gets stronger, and it's like,

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okay, well, it feels a little bit better, you know, because you're moving

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it and you're lubricating it and you're strengthening it and you're stretching it. And so,

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yeah, so it's better, but it's not. The root problem was

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not fixed. So six months later,

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your knee hurts again. Well, I don't want to go to P.T.. I already did

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P.T.. It didn't work well, but they didn't get to the root

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cause because they couldn't. They weren't allowed to because insurance doesn't even allow them to.

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That's crazy. Yeah, whole system's crazy. So that makes sense. Why

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you? Why? This is private pay. So you come to unit. It's private pay.

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And I know with me that I've done, like, the flexible spending account,

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so that's something, too. That works for that. Which was

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nice when I figured that out, because I'm like, let me book again.

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And now my neck goes all the way. Oh, I moved, didn't

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I? It didn't do that. It's so much better. It didn't

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do that prior to coming here. It was stopped right

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about there when. I first met you. It was. It was this. Yeah.

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I don't know. I need to get my hands on your neck in a good

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way. You've had, what, two or three treatments with Jamie? Just

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one. One. Yeah. And then I had cranial sacral with

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Honey. So. Yeah. And cranial sacral is

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fascinating. So we can definitely do, like, a. That's

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a whole episode, but it'. Yeah.

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We'll get into that in a second. Some more. So the way it works here

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is cranial sacral. You have. And then you have

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physical therapy with you, and then you have one more physical therapist,

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and she also does. You tell me if I'm wrong with any of this pelvic

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floor therapies. And then the stem

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wave, which is a pretty cool treatment for. Is that mostly

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it's all for all joints, right? Yes, it's more of like a spot

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treatment for joints, but it's a

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non invasive treatment that utilizes sound

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waves. So kind of like a ultrasound machine, right? Like you put ultrasound machine

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for like to see babies or that people will use in P.T. for plantar fasciitis.

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But that's on such a low level. The waves

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are very low and they just kind of increase heat.

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This is shockwave. Like it actually like it's loud and it

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hits. And what it does is it actually. So there's a shock that

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goes off in it and then there's water in the handle.

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And through that water that electricity is going through the speed

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of sound. And so it hits and it creates a shock wave. So it's literally

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sound wave, but it's a very high intensity shock. So that's why you hear it

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every time, because you're hearing that sound wave that. So

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it's like a shock. And it shocks the cells into thinking there's been micro

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trauma. So there's no trauma that occurs, but it

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shocks them. They're like, oh, I've been injured. And so they start bringing in.

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It's the natural healing process of like, oh, I want this cell, I want that

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cell, I want this cell stem cells, macrophages, all these things.

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Right. That comes all those cells that come in and like do the repair.

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So it pulls all that in because that's what. So when we're

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younger, it's really easy, right. We get hurt, everything comes in, it

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heals properly, but everything builds until the age of 30.

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After the age of 30, if you don't work to maintain something,

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you're going to lose it. So strength, flexibility. Yep.

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Joints, brain health, all of it. Right. So

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the aging process starts very quickly after the age of 30.

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shocking the cells into like healing back. Like when they were 20, not when

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they're 50. Right. Nice. Yeah. So

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no surgeries, no injections, no recovery time.

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And it doesn't hurt per se. The treatment

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is maybe slightly uncomfortable at the most, but it

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doesn't hurt. You're not going to be laying on the table, gritting your teeth the

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entire time, waiting for it to be over. I compare it often to

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going to the dentist. It's not awesome to lay there and have your

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teeth cleaned and have things scraped and do all that work. It feels good when

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it's done because everything is clean, but it's not something that you can't

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tolerate. It's kind of annoying. But it's a short treatment, too, so

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it's. And it also depends. I mean, a lot of people say, like, it's a

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hurt. So good. Like, they'll be. Sometimes you're like, ooh, turn it up. Right? Like,

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that's the spot. So it's really cool because it's diagnostic as well as

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therapeutic. So we can go around the knee. We can hit areas.

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And I'm like, do you feel anything? They're like. I mean, I feel the tapping.

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It's like a tap, tap, tap. And because there's no inflammation there.

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And then you get to the site right there on the top of the tibial

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plateau. Oh, that's where it is. Oh, now I feel it. Okay, now we need

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to pull that energy back a little bit. And so the energy can go up

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or down. And that's another way how we know people are getting better, because

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as they come in, they're able to tolerate more energy. But a lot of times

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they're like, oh, right there. Okay. Yeah, that's the spot I want you right there.

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Can we turn it up? Like, no, no, I don't want to give you. Because

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you can get a little hangover from it, you know? So we kind of see

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in that hurts. So good range. Yeah. Interesting.

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Yeah, that's awesome. We'll get a shot as we go out of the

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machine so that people can see what it is. Yeah, it's

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so great. Okay, so then

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let's do cranial sacral last. So when they come to see you, Jamie. So

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they're coming for physical therapy. Like, what kind of range of things

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do you see clients for? Oh, you name it, I've seen it.

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And because what we do and how we do it and how different

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it is, the range is even larger

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than. I feel, like, your standard P.T., because. And I

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mean, so you have to realize you have different types of physical therapists, right? So

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you have a neurophysical therapist, usually, like, in the hospitals, and they're going to be

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working with Parkinson's, stroke victims, traumatic brain injuries, the

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neurological system. Right. They are very

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skilled in, like, specific techniques of how to get

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people to retrain to fire specific muscles. So if you have, like, a

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flaccid arm, there are facilitation techniques to get arms to move,

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and they know how to, like, move the leg. There was one

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guy in One of my rotations, he was amazing with stroke victims. Completely

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flaccid on one side of the body, and he would walk them with, like, normal

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gait mechanics to teach them. Then you've got outpatient

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orthopedic. And that's what I've always done. And so that's like your typical

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P.T. that you think of when you, like, go to a physical therapist after

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you hurt your knee or something, Right? So you're like, going into a clinic,

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they work on your knee a little bit, you see the text, you do your

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exercises, you're done for the day. There's also inpatient. So

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inpatient is when you, like, you go to the hospital, you had a heart

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attack, and those first couple times you get out of bed and you just need

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to go for a walk. That's P.T., typically. Then there's rehab, where you

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actually live in. Right. So then you're going to see the physical

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therapist, you know, a couple hours a day.

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But with outpatient orthopedic, we typically just see orthopedic.

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Right. So knee pain, back pain, hip pain. Right. But

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because I work so much with the tissue, I'm doing so

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much myofascial release, and it's not massage, it's deeper

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and more, and it's just different. But

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we're stretching it, we're lengthening it, we're doing scar tissue release. So

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I'll see people a lot of times after, like, causing cosmetic surgeries

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or any surgery if they have scar tissue.

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Everything is fascia down to the cellular level. So when we're working with the

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fascia, you can work with anything. So I do something called visceral mobilization.

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So our organs need to move and glide and slide. And if

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they don't, then we can end up with constipation or

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stomach pain or acid reflux, all these different

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types of things. So I work with that. You know, Varsha works a lot

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with constipation because she does pelvic floor. So she also does the

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visceral mobilization. But pelvic floor muscles can. If

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they're very tight, then you don't have the ability for your organs to flow.

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And then with cranial, because that's a whole other thing. We're dealing with

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nervous system, right? So anxiety, depression,

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PTSD, vertigo, autism,

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ADHD, migraines,

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autoimmune. It's really good for auto. Anything autoimmune because it calms the

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sympathetic system and gets them out of that fight or flight and into that rest

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and digest, which is the only place that we can Heal. And it's cranial is

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very much about letting your body heal itself, not

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us doing the thing, your body's doing, the work. We're just there as facilitators.

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Yeah. Which is. I mean, I apply that into. I think that's why

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what I do is so different. Like, I could teach people what

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I do all day, but it's not going to have the exact same effect. What

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has changed so much about what I do

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and why it's different? It's the craniosacral therapy. It's the

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listening to the body and listening to the tissues. Instead of

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me going to the body being like, oh, you need this, and I'm going to

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mobilize this joint. I'm always. The second I put my hands on

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someone, I'm always listening. I'm listening to what is it their body wants?

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Where is it pulling me? Where do I feel tightness? I'm not gonna go

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there because I think you have tightness. I go there because the second I touch

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you, I can feel it. I can feel that if I touch your legs, I

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can feel tightness in your shoulder. I can feel tightness in your mouth.

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It's a very unique skill set that I remember

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the first time I saw it, I was like, that's crazy.

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That's not true. But then people. I would see it, they put

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their hands on their ankles and they're like, okay, tell me what's going on with

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your shoulder? And they're like, how did you know? And I would see

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it over and over and over again. I'm like, this person's legit. Like, how do

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you. How do you get that? And so when I stumbled on

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cranial, I was like, that's how you get that. And

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so I really. I never thought I was going to be like a cranial

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sacral therapist. I kind of wanted to just use that skill set to, like,

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know where to go to treat. But once you figure out

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what cranial is it, it's like life changing. So you can't not do it.

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Cranial psychotherapy is something you almost have to experience

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to even try to understand. Yeah, I know that

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it does wild things, but I don't understand the process

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of it. I'm not a doctor. I just. Even the doctors don't understand

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it. But I do think that that's part of

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the magic of healing hands, is that our physical therapists are able

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to kind of innately discern what is going

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on for someone just by either having a conversation and

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listening to the details or putting Their hands on somebody and

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being able to go right to that root cause. And I think that's

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what makes healing hands hugely different, is that kind of

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innate ability for our healers to

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hone in and do what they do best. Yeah. To the listening to the

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bodies thing is, it's unfortunate how. What an

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unusual concept. that is in our culture,

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because you. You can. I've. You know, I learned this in the

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process of peeling from limes years ago right about. And I could start to start

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to feel different things that there was like. Anyway,

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they did kind of like this little current, but it wasn't a current you could

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feel, but I was able to start feeling it. So that's when you start realizing

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that you can. That you can tap into your body

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and know it. So then to be able to do that as a therapeutic level

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where you're just touching someone and can tap into their body, that's something

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that's pretty. Pretty amazing, you know? It is

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amazing. Yeah. I recognized it in working with Jamie. Like I said,

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I've never had physical therapy before, but I've been a yoga practitioner for

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a long, long time. Decades. And being able to

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recognize that in my own body and then to see it put

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professionally on the table by a physical therapist,

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it's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. Take it out of your own mind and

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your own body and then be able to give that to somebody else. And then

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she adds on the layer of science with physical therapy. Right. It's

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magical.

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So I want to. If we can get

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Dawn on the table and have you do some cranial sacral

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therapy just so we can kind of get a feel of people, can see what

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it is. I know when they're listening

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cranial. Watching cranial is like watching paint dry is what I tell people. No, it

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is. It is like watching. You can't see the changes that occur

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is occurring underneath. But, I mean, some people are. Are definitely

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the unwinders. They're fun. They're. They're magical. That's for sure.

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Yeah. I've heard about the unwinding. Unwinds pretty well. Yeah.

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Yeah. So I can explain that. That's a. Is it. Do you

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feel like you can. You can kind of say what's going on while you're working?

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I can, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because if I. Because I don't know how that

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interferes with, you know, the whole reading the body and

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getting it. I mean, it will be the body. And Dawn

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actually responds really well, so the body can still do the work. So when you

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come into cranial, it's a very meditative state.

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So it was funny. We were actually speaking with a hypnotherapist the other

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day, and she had kind of said it perfect, because we were

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discussing. She actually didn't really know what craniosacral therapy was. But I've sat in on

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a hypnotherapy session, and we ask the same questions. There's

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a lot of dialoguing that occurs with cranial. If you decide to go that route,

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you don't have to. That's the thing. There's. Some people think you have to. Patient

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will dialogue with you. Yes. So because it gets super deep,

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it can go very deep. It really just depends on what's going on.

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But a lot of cranial is about releasing emotions

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that are held in tissues, and so it's. What are you feeling in your

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body? And. Okay, I'm feeling this pain

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in my hip. Okay, well, what is that pain like? Does it look like

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something? Is there a color? Well, it's blue. Okay. What does blue

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mean to you? Oh, well, that was the color of my bedroom when I was

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three. And it can really get into, like, a memory when you were

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three. Some people even go into utero. Some people go as far as

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to go into past lives. It can. And then

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some other people just. They don't. They experience nothing. They just fall asleep on the

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table or they just feel

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relaxed. Right. It just depends on who you are and where you are and

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what your body. What kind of work it needs to do. Right. So

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mostly in a session, we try to just focus on the patient. What are

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they feeling, and is that gonna go somewhere? But there's a lot of times that

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I've done things like this and I'll be working, and we talk about what we're

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feeling, and it still works. The body still does what it

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needs to do. Maybe she wouldn't drop as deeply

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into that, like hypnosis, because you do. You get out

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of it. It was funny. I worked on a friend of mine. She was an

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anesthesiologist, and she got off the table, and

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she was like, whoa. And I was like, what'd you feel? And she's like,

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there was like, nothing. Like, nothing.

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Like the head was able to be completely meditative. Yeah. Because, you know, she's an

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anesthesiologist, like, and she's super smart and super type A and just like,

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thinking all the time. Yeah. And she's like, I don't think there's ever been a

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time in my life where I just felt nothing. Like, I thought nothing.

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It's an hour long savasana being guided by a professional.

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And if you can't get into the savasana, because a lot of people can't,

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there's something about the hands. And when we do puts

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you into that state. So if you're someone that's like laying a savasana is like,

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I can't meditate. I can't. Everyone says I can't meditate because my brain never stops.

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And it's like, that's why you need to meditate. Right. So

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this is like a really good bridging to it. Right. Like, it kind of teaches

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you because it's. It puts you into it. A lot of times, people, it

438
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:52,730
takes them out of that thinking and it just

439
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:55,650
puts them into their body and it shut. Like, as soon as someone puts their

440
00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:59,090
hands on me, we start doing cranial. Like, I'll even do it to myself sometimes.

441
00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:02,610
And I'm just like, whoosh. Like, okay, now I know I'm going there.

442
00:29:02,770 --> 00:29:06,570
There's something about that touch. You're practiced. You're practiced. And you recognize that little

443
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:10,050
switch. Exactly. I mean, we do this. We do this in yoga too. As soon

444
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:12,690
as I lay on the mat, my body goes, oh, we're doing the savasana. Okay,

445
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:15,050
I know what to do here. But it didn't happen in a day. It took

446
00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:18,040
me years and years and years of practice to be able to get there by

447
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,640
myself. I had to do that by myself. Jamie can help you get there through

448
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,120
cranial sacral therapy without trying, without the practice part.

449
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080
And then if you just get a little bit of that, just a little bit,

450
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,760
even like 30 seconds of that is super duper powerful.

451
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,720
It is amazingly healing. It's amazingly relaxing. I think

452
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,840
everybody needs it. Even if you think you don't need it. We need it in

453
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,680
this. In this life. Oh, yeah, I know. I think I. In fact,

454
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,440
I'm in a minute. I want you to tell everyone, because not everyone, I think

455
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,220
listening knows about yoga and savasana and what it means. But

456
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:51,780
I know when I first started, I did. I did not ever want to do

457
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:55,540
yoga. And I really think it was the running away

458
00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:59,300
from a trauma that had happened that I was never going to acknowledge

459
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,380
kind of thing. And so you don't want to slow down, you don't want to

460
00:30:02,380 --> 00:30:06,220
hold a pose because that feels like torture when your body is

461
00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:09,180
holding on to go, go, go, go, run, run, run. Because,

462
00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:13,500
you know, I think it's, I think it's trauma related. That's my opinion

463
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:17,710
from my history. But can you tell people who don't know yoga like

464
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:21,430
what we're like, kind of what that is? Sure. One of the

465
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:24,390
reasons why Jamie and I are so aligned is because I do bring that background.

466
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:28,150
I've practiced yoga for over 25 years now and I

467
00:30:28,150 --> 00:30:31,590
teach a couple of different kinds of yoga. So Vinyasa yoga is

468
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:35,750
the movement based yoga. Very physical, one breath, one movement. Even

469
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:39,470
still, that one breath, one movement gets your mind to focus. That's the first thing

470
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:42,390
that most of us start with with yoga. And that's where I went and I

471
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,570
practiced that for years. Years and years and years and years. I love a good,

472
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:49,010
hot, sweaty power yoga. I was there and then I found the

473
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:51,930
opposite of that, which is yin yoga, which taps into

474
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:56,410
all of that nervous system regulation. It's the exact opposite

475
00:30:56,410 --> 00:31:00,130
of Vinyasa yoga. So it's, oh, interesting, it's cooler, it's

476
00:31:00,130 --> 00:31:03,650
slower. We hold poses, you're in that meditative state for the entire

477
00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:07,050
time. It's also hard. It is so

478
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:10,890
hard to be still with yourself for that amount of time holding, let's

479
00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:14,370
say, pigeon pose. And at the very end of any yoga class,

480
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:18,530
you're going to get savasana, which is, hopefully you have time

481
00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:22,250
for a good solid 10 minutes to just lay there on the floor with

482
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:26,050
yourself and breathe. That's all savasana is. I think a lot of times we

483
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,650
work too hard at trying to get to the meditative state. But

484
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:33,730
I like to offer people a good solid 10 minutes to do

485
00:31:33,730 --> 00:31:37,530
absolutely nothing with nothing else expected of you. That is the

486
00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:40,830
glorious part of yoga is that moment of

487
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,430
savasana, four or five, hopefully 10 minutes at the end of your class

488
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:48,150
where you just get to shut everything off. Your body will

489
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:51,870
follow if you give it the time to do that. And that, I think

490
00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:54,110
is where the magic of yoga really happens.

491
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:59,790
And I just expanded that offering into an entire hour

492
00:31:59,790 --> 00:32:03,230
within a yin class for people to disconnect

493
00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:06,750
from the yang side of things. Yang being hot. Go, go, go.

494
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:11,030
Moving, physical, sweaty, red, where yin is

495
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:15,270
blue, softer, quieter, darker. We need that balance

496
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:18,710
in life and we don't offer it to ourselves. So that's why I think

497
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:22,510
yoga aligns really, really well with what Jamie does here on

498
00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:26,230
the holistic side of physical therapy. Isn't that wild? Physical therapy,

499
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:30,110
Yoga, yoga, physical therapy. How do those two things align? And then

500
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:33,470
when we met, it was kind of like, yeah, all of that really, really

501
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:37,270
aligns. Yeah. With how Jamie does it, too. Yep. And I do remember what I

502
00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:40,390
was going to say earlier, which is that, you know, I do think

503
00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:44,610
if for maintenance, we're like, yoga, chiropractor

504
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:48,610
diet, and, you know,

505
00:32:48,770 --> 00:32:52,570
then, you know, maybe we add in one or other

506
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:55,930
thing, but we don't think physical therapists. So this is a good way for us

507
00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:59,410
to come and, you know, get all those tweaked.

508
00:32:59,570 --> 00:33:03,290
Oh, I saw. Just a regular massage, but

509
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:07,090
you're kind of like, can do all of the different things. And,

510
00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:10,930
yeah, I always say faster, you. Know, if somebody came in once a month, forever.

511
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,040
They're not getting any joint replacements. They're not. They're not getting injuries

512
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,880
because we're just keeping them aligned. And there's probably

513
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,800
a reason, you know, at my age, having done yoga

514
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,200
for a long time, that I can still do some of the wacky stuff I

515
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960
can still do in the fact that I've worked here for going on two years

516
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960
now. And I do get, you know, moments like this where I get a little

517
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,080
job perk. I get to lay on the table and have some cranial. And Jamie

518
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,460
will. We all kind of tend to work on each other, too. Yeah,

519
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,540
we share. To keep ourselves healthy. Yeah. Through it all.

520
00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:46,460
Yeah. So let's do that. And I'd love to just kind of, since we're here

521
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:50,060
and videotaping, I'd love to see it a little bit in practice. Okay, that sounds

522
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:53,460
good. All right, so what I'm gonna do to start is

523
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:57,100
I'm going to listen to Dawn's body. Okay. So

524
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:00,500
there's certain listening stations, and what I am paying attention to is called the

525
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,740
craniosacral rhythm. The craniosacral rhythm.

526
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:08,970
So it's just like any other rhythm in the body. So we have breath, Right.

527
00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:12,570
And so we know the breath rhythm. We know that we have a

528
00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:16,330
rhythm of the pulse. Same thing with craniosacral

529
00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:19,690
rhythm. It's a very slow expansion

530
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:24,410
and contraction, and you can feel it anywhere on the body. What

531
00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:28,250
creates this rhythm is the cerebral spinal fluid that actually

532
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:31,850
flows from the brain down to the sacrum, but it

533
00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:35,690
affects the whole nervous system. So you can feel it anywhere in the body. What

534
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:38,170
we do is we go through and we're listening. So as soon as I put

535
00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:41,650
my hands on her, I can tell that the rhythm

536
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:45,570
is slower on her left leg than on her right.

537
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:49,250
And not only that, instead of like. This.

538
00:34:51,410 --> 00:34:55,170
It'S more like this, which tells

539
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:58,940
me. So like I said, I can put my hands and I can kind of

540
00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:02,620
get a hit of like where to go. Tell me she's got some built up

541
00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:05,940
energy in her pelvis is what I'm kind of getting. We call it an energy

542
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,460
cyst. It's kind of like. So with

543
00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:13,900
normal natural physics, right? So there's a law and

544
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,380
it's. Every force is met with an equal force,

545
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:20,740
right. So if we slip when we fall on the ice,

546
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:25,630
we land our butt on the ice, that force should go through our body and

547
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:29,310
out into the universe. Right. But sometimes it kind of gets trapped into

548
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:32,990
our tissues. And so we can get this buildup of like chaotic energy in

549
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:36,630
an area which can create pain. Okay. And so sometimes that can

550
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:38,670
present in our body and we can just feel it.

551
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:45,350
So, yeah, first tip for me is that I would work on her pelvis and

552
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:48,960
I'm just going to kind of go through and see if I feel

553
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,600
anything else or legs. Nothing too much

554
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,200
there. I'm just still feeling that I'm feeling the same pull

555
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,160
all to the pelvis. That's what you do

556
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,480
with listening stations is, okay, I got a hit on the

557
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,240
pelvis. Am I completely insane because it just said pelvis? But then

558
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,920
when I go through and I do my listening stations and everything still

559
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,760
keeps pulling me towards the pelvis. Then I'm probably going

560
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,720
to go to the pelvis.

561
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,280
So here, her thoracic outlet, really tight, built up

562
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
energy there. I would want to work there.

563
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Her head's off, which makes sense because she's been having a

564
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,600
migraine. So head should be

565
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,840
expansion, contraction.

566
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,720
And so very similar to the pelvis I'm getting.

567
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040
So she's really stuck somewhere in here. And so I would just have to

568
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,520
kind of go through and figure out where. It's probably her sphenoid. Yeah, her

569
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,280
sphenoid. So sphenoid is

570
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,760
grab this.

571
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:10,210
So there's different bones in our skull. Okay. So we're

572
00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:13,930
taught that after we're born that all these fuse,

573
00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:17,730
right? But they're sutures. So sutures are there for a reason. All these

574
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:20,970
squiggly lines, that's for mobility. Okay. Okay.

575
00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:25,250
So the reason they are there is because. So

576
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:29,090
they're, they're kind of like interlocked like this. And so that Those

577
00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:32,770
bones expand, contract. Now,

578
00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:36,770
when we're looking at the cellular level, I mean, we could never see it,

579
00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:40,970
right? It's very, very minuscule. But I'm just, I'm showing you so that you can

580
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:42,210
kind of know what it is, right?

581
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:48,450
So we learn about all the. So I mean, craniosacral therapist

582
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:51,090
is going to know every bone in the skull,

583
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:55,850
but the sphenoid is really cool because if you look

584
00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:59,220
at it, it looks like a butterfly. Okay,

585
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:05,300
Butterfly. And so it sits behind

586
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:09,860
her. Butterflies off. So this was actually really crazy. So when I was

587
00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:13,660
just getting into craniosacral therapy, kind of someone like Honey. So Honey

588
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:17,420
was one of my. Whoa. Patients. Like people who've never

589
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:21,140
experienced cranial sacral therapy. I mean, it's one thing if you've

590
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:24,060
heard about cranial cycle therapy and what it can do and that people can have

591
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:27,840
these visions and they can unwind and then you see

592
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,360
people do it. It's like. Well, they anticipated that, right? But I had two people

593
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,040
who had never even heard of craniosacral therapy, and the weirdest things happened to

594
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,600
them. You just. You can't make this stuff up. So one of my patients, I

595
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,640
was literally on her sphenoid and

596
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200
I'm like, working on her, and I'm like, so what's going on? You know, what.

597
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
What's going on in your body? And I kind of figured she was gonna say,

598
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,950
oh, I feel this somewhere. She's like, I see a

599
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:52,590
butterfly.

600
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:58,670
I'm working on your sphenoid right now. And it's a butterfly shaped bone. So

601
00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:01,470
that is so funny. Good job.

602
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,670
So your brain literally sits on top of the

603
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:11,190
sphenoid. Right. And so this is a huge

604
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:14,950
player when it has to do with. I mean, and this goes into. I mean,

605
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:18,730
down underneath you have the sinuses. All your nerves

606
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:22,170
come through here. All these holes are nerves to come out of your brain.

607
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:27,610
So I mean, you have no idea what we can do with cranial. I mean,

608
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:31,450
you've got the pituitary gland sitting right there. So you're affecting the hormonal

609
00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:34,650
system, the endocrine system, the nervous system.

610
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:37,530
There's a lot.

611
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:44,730
So, yeah, her sphenoid's kind of just not moving. So we would want to

612
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:48,420
work on that. And so there's just

613
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:51,580
different handholds on the head. So you kind of. Yeah,

614
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:55,540
huge torsion there. I'll probably start with this because you have a

615
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,980
migraine and you are off. Not a

616
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:01,260
migraine yet. Okay. So she's like.

617
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:06,740
So you can imagine when people come in when something like this

618
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:10,540
is happening, you're gonna have vertigo. And people will say that. They're like, I

619
00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:14,120
feel like I'm getting pulled to the right for no reason. Well, their

620
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,480
sphenoid is getting pulled to the right. Interesting.

621
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Yeah, so.

622
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,800
So it's. This is the crazy part about cranial.

623
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,600
I always say watching cranial is like watching paint dry, because you don't see

624
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,400
anything. You don't. In fact, when you're having it done. When you're having

625
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,320
it done, you're like, you're not doing anything. You're not doing anything. What are we

626
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,440
doing? And why do I feel better? This doesn't make any sense. Because I'm not

627
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,800
doing anything. I'm not doing anything. I'm just laying here. I'm listening to the body.

628
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:47,500
So we start with 5 grams of pressure, less

629
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:51,220
than the weight of a nickel. And we just

630
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:55,060
listen. And so I can

631
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:58,620
kind of. So she's heard. So the sphenoid is my head.

632
00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:00,780
She's, like, dropping down to the right,

633
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:07,020
and then she comes back up. Stop.

634
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:13,290
Drops down to the right. So this is not even a normal pattern

635
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:16,210
at all of the sphenoid at all.

636
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:20,850
So there are specific movements that the sphenoid needs

637
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:24,370
to do. And so I'm going to kind of go through and check those

638
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:28,410
and see where is she stuck. Exactly. So if I pull the

639
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:31,330
left side of her sphenoid up into the left,

640
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:35,010
it moves, which I know it's going to because that's kind of what it does.

641
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:38,530
Right. So it's kind of going this way. So I check that.

642
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:42,210
Moving really well. Now I'm going to try to pull the right side up. Nothing.

643
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:45,730
It's not moving. It's not moving at all. So

644
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:49,370
what we do in the world of cranial is we go with the direction of

645
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:53,170
ease first. So I know she wants to go this way,

646
00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:56,770
so I'm going to take her that way. So it's kind of almost like

647
00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:01,410
unjamming a drawer, right? Like, if you picture, like, your drawer and it's

648
00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:03,690
filled with clothes and you're pulling it out and pulling out, and it's getting stuck.

649
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:06,290
It's getting stuck. You can't pull it out. You have to push it back in

650
00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:10,810
and reposition it, and it pulls out. Okay. We're using that

651
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:14,530
same concept with craniosacral therapy. So I

652
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,210
took her up and back, and so right there, she just. I just waited, and

653
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:20,130
she had a big release. And she's shaking her head because she can feel it.

654
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:24,770
And so now I'm gonna go. Almost see it. Because, you know.

655
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:28,450
Yeah, yeah. So when you take a deep breath, that's when we get a release.

656
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:32,210
Yeah. So people will yawn, they will sigh,

657
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:36,180
they'll take a deep breath, they'll get belly gurgles.

658
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:40,500
We call it bulgarithmus. But people

659
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,900
are like, oh, I didn't realize I was hungry. And I'm like, no, that's your

660
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:46,260
autonomic nervous system responding to what we're doing.

661
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:51,540
So, yeah, it's fascinating

662
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:55,060
stuff because it's just, like, even close up, you look at your hands and

663
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,820
you're like, nope, they aren't moving. Don't know what's going on

664
00:42:58,820 --> 00:43:02,610
here. Oh, so she's starting to let go. Starting to let

665
00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:04,410
go. She's kind of sliding up a little bit.

666
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:11,010
There she goes. So I'm just kind of, like, exaggerating it with my

667
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:14,730
head, but it still just feels tight. So

668
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:17,890
I'm just gonna hang out here. It's kind of like a rubber band. Like, I

669
00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:21,370
let go, but the rubber band's still holding on. The other one just flew.

670
00:43:21,450 --> 00:43:24,930
Like, it was just easy. I'm just gonna wait a little bit

671
00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:28,650
longer. Oh, yeah, There. She's got another release. So you can get multiple releases.

672
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:32,470
And that's. That's something where, like, you know, when you first

673
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:35,350
start doing cranial, it's like, oh, did I feel a release? I think I did

674
00:43:35,350 --> 00:43:38,910
okay. I guess I'm done, you know? But you get to the point, like, you're

675
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:42,110
an experienced practitioner. Just like anything else, you know, like, you get better at it

676
00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:45,710
and you learn it, and you're like, that's not done releasing, like,

677
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,830
because people will be like, well, when? When do I know when she's done releasing?

678
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:52,550
Do we do five? Do we do two? Do we do one? Yeah, you

679
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:56,350
just know. But one thing you can do. So a lot of people

680
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,120
are, okay, so now she's. I'll

681
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,720
finish that sentence again. So I'm sliding her. So her. So

682
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,600
her sphenoid should slide to the left and slide to the right. It doesn't want

683
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,080
to slide to the right. It wants to go to the left. So I just

684
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,480
kind of gave it a little nudge, and so now we're hanging out over to

685
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,200
the left. But

686
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,280
what was I saying? Just with experience,

687
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,810
you just. Oh, that's what it was. You can talk to the inner wisdom.

688
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:30,290
So the inner wisdom. So everyone has an inner wisdom. And

689
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:33,970
so whatever you want to connect that to. Is that intuition? Is

690
00:44:33,970 --> 00:44:37,730
that God? Is that your higher self?

691
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:39,490
Whatever it is for people

692
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:45,650
it's your body's inner knowing. Right.

693
00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:50,050
And so we will use the rhythm a

694
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:53,860
lot of times to ask questions if we're not getting

695
00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:57,700
somewhere. And so, like I said, you can feel that rhythm. It kind of goes

696
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,100
up and out. Right. And then there's certain areas where it's not moving. So well,

697
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,340
so we know we need to work there. But when we're in treatment,

698
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,980
we can just like. I can just to myself just

699
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:12,740
be like, okay, inner wisdom. Are you done? Releasing?

700
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:17,830
And it will resp. You can just be like, stop. Stop the

701
00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:21,630
rhythm for yes or start the rhythm for no.

702
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:24,270
You know, and it will tell you.

703
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:30,070
And then if that doesn't work, I mean, then you. Then you get. That's where

704
00:45:30,070 --> 00:45:33,790
dialoguing with the patient gets involved. So a lot of times maybe,

705
00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:37,310
you know, so sometimes you need to kind of like, talk to the inner wisdom

706
00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:40,750
if the patient isn't getting anything.

707
00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:45,190
Because not everybody gets messages from their body. Other

708
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:48,790
people get them clear as day. They're really good at communicating with their body. I

709
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:52,270
think it's a practice, you know. Yeah. You get more

710
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:54,390
acclimated because we are not taught it at all.

711
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:59,990
I am not doing this. Yeah. So this is called unwinding.

712
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:05,270
So unwinding always trumps everything in my world, at least.

713
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:10,170
So tissues will unwind. So she feels like I'm

714
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:13,450
moving her head, but I feel like her head is moving me.

715
00:46:14,410 --> 00:46:18,210
So this is what I'm talking about when I say this

716
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:22,050
is such a different touch than massage. I

717
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:25,850
am not moving her head. Her head. I'm feeling where the

718
00:46:25,850 --> 00:46:29,450
tissues want to go, and I just follow. So they unwind

719
00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:33,290
out of their dysfunctional pattern. So if you're in a car accident

720
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:37,620
and you're like this in the car accident, but you don't realize that, and

721
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:40,460
you've had neck pain for the next 20 years, and nobody can get rid of

722
00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:44,300
it, you start to unwind, and you'll get back

723
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:48,140
into that pattern, and then the body will

724
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:51,980
slowly unwind out of it itself. And so the

725
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:54,780
body is healing itself. It's not me doing the work. I'm just here as a

726
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:58,500
facilitator. And so that's why this work is

727
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:01,990
so powerful. Yeah. For sure.

728
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:06,750
Suddenly becoming, like, very aware of the back of my

729
00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:09,830
throat and, like, this inner sinus

730
00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:12,950
situation behind my. Okay,

731
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:16,550
so tell me more about that awareness.

732
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:24,950
It just feels like my right eye. Wants to shut off. Shut off.

733
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:27,730
Shut off. Not close, but shut off.

734
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:32,850
Yeah. Like there's a hole there. Like there's a hole in your eye. Yep. Where

735
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:36,850
the eyeball is. It's just like. There's a big empty spot there. empty

736
00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:40,450
spot. Okay. Can you tell me why there's a big empty

737
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:43,249
spot there? I don't know. It's just tired. It's tired.

738
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:45,570
What's it tired of?

739
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:53,100
How many new glasses? Yeah. Okay,

740
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:59,180
so right there. That's the kind of stuff that happens all the time. That's a

741
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:02,820
diagnosis, essentially. Mm. She just figured out she needs new

742
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:06,580
glasses, and she has a headache. Maybe her glasses are not

743
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:10,300
supporting her and that's why she has a headache. I didn't diagnose

744
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:13,100
her. I didn't come up with that. She did. Yeah,

745
00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:19,110
well, I knew that as soon as I walked in. I'm like, girl needs

746
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:19,830
new glasses.

747
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:25,910
Interesting. So it's just the right eye but not the left eye.

748
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:31,030
So maybe you need to get the right adjusted. But how's the

749
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:34,830
left doing? Does the left need an adjustment? Left feels

750
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:35,910
fine. Okay.

751
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:41,710
So she can go to our eye doctor and say, hey, can we check this

752
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:44,280
out? I think my right eye needs something different.

753
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,280
There's the part where it starts to get weird. I think that.

754
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,760
Sometimes when I share these things with Jamie, it's kind of. Funny, so feel free

755
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
to laugh. Why am I seeing clowns? Hate clowns.

756
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:15,330
You hate clowns? I do. What do you hate about clowns?

757
00:49:15,970 --> 00:49:19,010
They're just messy. They're messy. Okay.

758
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:26,290
Do you not like messy and loud? I don't mind it.

759
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:30,010
So you don't mind messy and loud, but you don't like loud? I don't like

760
00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:33,090
loud. Messy is fine. I'm messy. You don't like loud.

761
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:35,920
What do you not like about loud?

762
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:41,670
It's jarring to my system.

763
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:47,990
I have to, like, come back from it. Like, if

764
00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:53,110
it's, like, interruptive and it bothers me, and it just annoys me. Like, if you

765
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:56,830
pull up to somebody at a stop point, the music's too loud. I'm just like,

766
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:59,830
dude, I was having a thought.

767
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,600
So she's kind of just settled. So I'm going to recheck this sphenoid because I'm

768
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,320
getting pulled into her right occiput now. But I want to make sure her sphenoid

769
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,360
is good, so I move up her left. Good. Right.

770
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,760
Good. Where's the right occiput for those that don't know? On the back

771
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,520
of your head. Moving to the right. Good. Moving

772
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,320
to the left. Still a little stuck there. So I'm going to slide

773
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,640
her to the right again.

774
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:30,090
Yeah. So I don't think I got to finish that one. Because she started unwinding.

775
00:50:30,730 --> 00:50:34,210
Okay, so now I'm gonna push to the left, which when I say push,

776
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:37,770
it's. It's the intention. It's just a thought

777
00:50:37,850 --> 00:50:41,370
almost. It's like one gram of pressure.

778
00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:46,570
And there it goes. Which is barely a touch.

779
00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:51,450
Yeah. Can you feel that? I'm pressing harder on the right

780
00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:55,160
than the left, Dawn. No. Yeah. See, she can't even feel it. It's just

781
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,240
a. It's an intention almost. Good.

782
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,520
So she kind of settles there. So kind of to reset, I'm going to

783
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,280
compress her. So I'm kind of pulling the sphenoid back and down

784
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,960
into the rest of her skull. And then

785
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,000
I'm going to lift it and decompress.

786
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,130
Just a reset. We always do. At the end of working with the

787
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:19,770
sphenoid,

788
00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:26,810
she's in what's called still point. So still point is when the

789
00:51:27,370 --> 00:51:31,050
rhythm completely shuts off in the entire body. It's when it's doing work.

790
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:35,490
So there's still point, it's doing work. And then there's significance detector, which

791
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:39,130
is like an even deeper drop. Like, ooh, this is significant. Like, we're really

792
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:42,490
doing work. But she's just in still point right now. And there it just turned

793
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:46,250
right back on. So now, because the rhythm turned back on, I'm going

794
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:49,600
to go to the next spot. I'm not gonna move during a still point

795
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,920
because there's too much work getting done. So the suboccipital

796
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,640
elease is the best thing in the world. They've tried to

797
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,120
make so many little fidgets to put, to lay on,

798
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,240
to copy it, but you can never copy it because you just can't copy

799
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,760
human touch. But I say to everyone, I'm like, if

800
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,080
everyone had a suboccipital release, the first thing in the morning,

801
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,330
we'd have a world peace. It is. That's

802
00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:20,130
interesting. It is the most relaxing, most amazing thing

803
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:22,050
if you get it done right.

804
00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:25,330
I mean,

805
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:29,890
there have been times where I have done an hour of

806
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:33,690
just a suboccipital release. I just hold it. Wow. That's what the

807
00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:34,210
body needs.

808
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:41,550
So she's really tight on the right side, so I'm just kind of

809
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:45,350
sinking in. So like I said, cranial

810
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:49,030
starts really light, but it can get heavy.

811
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:52,350
It can be a heavy. I get pulled in sometimes. Like, I'm digging it. Like,

812
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:56,030
I'm digging into her suboccipitals right now. But, like,

813
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:59,590
I'm not forcing it. I'm not hurting her. I'm not. Like, I don't go in

814
00:52:59,590 --> 00:53:03,310
fast. That's the difference too. So, you know, people will be like,

815
00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:06,230
oh, my massage therapist got into my psoas. And, oh, my God, it hurts so

816
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:09,340
bad. Because you have to go all the way, like, through the abdominal cavity. Well,

817
00:53:09,340 --> 00:53:12,660
yeah, if they go hard and fast, that's gonna hurt like a mother,

818
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:16,540
Right? But if you listen to the tissues and

819
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:19,220
you start light and you wait

820
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:24,180
until the tissues allow you in, you can get

821
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:28,180
so deep and not hurt someone. I mean, they'll be like, ooh.

822
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:32,340
But it's always. It's that hurt so good. It's the same thing. I always stay

823
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:35,820
in the hurt so good, because if I go in too hard, too fast, the

824
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:39,180
body doesn't like it, it's gonna tighten up, and it's gonna kick me out, and

825
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:42,960
it's gonna make that and create more of a problem.

826
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,440
So it's not always, like, necessarily even, like the technique that I do.

827
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,160
It's how I do it and that I'm listening and

828
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,560
respecting the body. I'm not going in

829
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,400
as a bully and being like, you're gonna do as I say.

830
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,720
No, I go in as, hey, body, what is it that you need today and

831
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:07,420
how can I help? Yeah, I wish I could do for

832
00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:11,020
myself. You can do

833
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:14,580
cranial on yourself. If you learn it, you can kind of do that. But

834
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:18,260
there's. Obviously, you're gonna get way more from someone else

835
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:21,860
because that. We are energetic beings, right? We are positive and negative

836
00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:25,660
ions all the way throughout our entire body. So whenever somebody touches you,

837
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:29,500
there's a reason. There's a physiological response. And when we. So we'll do.

838
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,580
We do cranial multi hand sessions. And those things are

839
00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:37,670
so powerful. So powerful. I get 10

840
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:41,430
times more work done on a weekend when I take my classes than

841
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:45,230
I do seeing one therapist once a week for six

842
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:48,430
months. Wow. And then if you do multi hands in water.

843
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:54,350
Talk about mind blowing. And we're actually. We're trying to start

844
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:57,990
a program here in Reno. There's the only place that we know that you can

845
00:54:57,990 --> 00:55:01,580
really do it is in the Bahamas, because that's where they teach it,

846
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:05,460
Right. So there are programs where you can fly down to the Bahamas and get

847
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:08,300
treated multi hands in the water with dolphins,

848
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:12,940
because the dolphins communicate. It's amazing. I haven't done it yet.

849
00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:16,860
It's on my to do list. I can't lie. I cannot wait. But so my

850
00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:20,220
mentor reached those people and said, hey, can we do

851
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:23,540
an aqua class here in Reno? And they came out here and we did a

852
00:55:23,540 --> 00:55:27,380
class so we're trying to figure out how to make it. The problem is there's

853
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:31,140
so many practitioners, like, how do you pay them for their time and

854
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:34,900
rent, the pool and all of these things. But we're trying to put that

855
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:37,260
together for people who really need it, because it's.

856
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:41,580
It's mind blowing. Yeah. Interesting.

857
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:47,460
So how does the water make a difference? It's just a faster facilitator kind of

858
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:50,940
thing or what? So if you think about it, our bodies are 80% water, right?

859
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:54,740
We are water. And the craniosacral system, the cerebral spinal fluid, it's

860
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:57,720
water. Okay. So it's a conduit. And.

861
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,440
Okay. So did you. So you seen how her head kind of moves? Right, Right.

862
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,080
Okay. So that's unwinding. She is

863
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,800
stuck to unwinding her head right now because that's where my hands are. And I

864
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,520
can lift up and take. Make her. Like, if I was on her leg, I

865
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,840
would hold her leg and make it weightless, and then I would just follow it.

866
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Right. But I need to be holding that leg. I need to be holding

867
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,520
her head. Now, there are some people who are true unwinders. Like, if you watch

868
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,320
me, I'm an unwinder. I will look like an exorcist. On this table, if the

869
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,620
right person touches, it's the right day and the right time.

870
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,580
Like, you wiggle and you're a worm, but you're still limited by the table, right?

871
00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:37,780
In the pool, there's no limitation. People flip.

872
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:42,020
We do flips. We spin around. We're going forward flips,

873
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:44,420
back flips, spinning, twirling.

874
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:49,140
It's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. It's

875
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:52,660
unreal. And you see, you'll have, like, 10 people on one person,

876
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:56,890
and they're all feeling the same thing. Interesting. And it's all very in

877
00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:59,410
sync and in unison because they're all listening to the body,

878
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:04,530
so they're all responding to the same rhythm, to the same flow,

879
00:57:04,850 --> 00:57:07,010
to what it is that the body wants.

880
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:13,090
That's amazing. That'd be something to watch or experience.

881
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:16,050
Better yet, experience. Yeah.

882
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:21,130
That just feels so good, I can't even explain it. I'm getting in real deep

883
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:24,570
right now, which there's no way I could have gotten in here when I first

884
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:28,290
touched her. I mean, I'm like a solid inch into

885
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:29,490
her suboccipitals.

886
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:36,690
So I know from my yin training, this gets a little.

887
00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:40,530
But go with me on this. I know from my yin training that the right

888
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:44,330
side of your body is the need to express the

889
00:57:44,330 --> 00:57:47,780
left side of your body is the need to recieve..

890
00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:57,620
So if I have a right eyeball blocked

891
00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:03,539
and the right side

892
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:09,180
tension, whatever the hell that is that you're working on right there, it feels so

893
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:09,460
good.

894
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:16,950
That tells me that there's something that I'm not seeing,

895
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:18,910
I'm not expressing. Mmhmm.

896
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:27,070
So it's just kind of. Her tissues are shifting. It's like it pulls me in

897
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:30,470
the suboccipitals and then pulls me down lower into her, like, lower neck into her

898
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:34,070
paraspinals, and then she shifts over to her right. So once again,

899
00:58:34,070 --> 00:58:37,870
she's still unwinding. So still paraspinals, a little bit of right scalenes

900
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,480
getting right there. It's just kind of shifting back

901
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,040
and forth because it all needs it. So apparently it doesn't want one at a

902
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,160
time. Once all the tissues want to take turns.

903
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,720
This nice stretch. So this goes kind of more into, like, myofascial release.

904
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,720
And so because she's kind of leaning that way, I just feel like her body's

905
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,080
saying, like, oh, stretch this for me. So I'm gonna lock it down

906
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,400
over to the right, and I'm holding the back of her head to give her

907
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,130
a nice, nice stretch. How's that feel, Dawn?

908
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:13,810
She's pulling my hair. Is it too much? No, it's fine, actually. No, it's

909
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:14,450
totally fine.

910
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:22,610
And then you let go. It's like a rebound. Much better.

911
00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:26,610
And that loosened it up. Nice.

912
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:30,450
That's a little bit of cranial. That is. That's awesome.

913
00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:33,570
Vegetables are going to be bright today,

914
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:40,060
girl. That's awesome. It is awesome. I

915
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:42,380
can almost feel some of it in my neck as you were doing it. I'm

916
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:45,900
like, oh, I feel like I'm moving. But energy.

917
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:49,580
Energy flows through people. It does 100%.

918
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:55,100
That's awesome. Thank you, guys.

919
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:58,500
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I

920
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:02,220
appreciate you guys being here today. This has been awesome. You guys know

921
01:00:02,220 --> 01:00:03,000
I love you so much.

922
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,200
And the website is healinghandspt..net

923
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,040
yes. Yes, thank you. That's right. I should know it by now.

924
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,280
All right, thank you guys, again. Thank you.