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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Well, hey, everybody,

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good morning, good morning, we
talk, good morning, good morning.

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You missed your Yeah, that's me. That's me. Uh hey,

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I am Chris Zarba and next to
me is Wesley Woods. Yes, and

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this is the second day that you're
joining us because you're filling in because Jeff's

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out of pocket, and uh,
we are the Bible Guys today. And

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it's been a great segment so far. Yesterday was great. Today's going to

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be even better, don't you agree? Yeah, I think it's going to

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be good. You got some good
stuff playing, that's right. So today

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we're going to dive right into it
with a segment that Desiree has given to

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us called Dad Joke Competition, which, by the way, I think I

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think remains is my favorite. Yeah, I think, but but it all

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depends if the joke is like really
wamp womp. Yeah. I think I

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got some good ones. Yeah,
Okay, I haven't read mine yet.

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I always read myn in real time. So here we go. I'll start

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with the first one. Then we'll
go. We'll take turns today I had

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someone knock on my door asking for
small donations towards the local swimming pool.

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I gave him a glass of water. That was actually pretty good. I

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love it. It's actually so clever. That was so good. All right,

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do you want me to go?
Yes, okay, here we go.

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That's so good. My inflatable house
got a puncture last night. Now

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I'm living in a flat. Oh
that's a bad joke. That's a dead

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joke for sure. Ye Oh,
here we go. Okay. Uh.

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Walking home last night, I passed
a slice of apple pie, a hot

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fudge Sunday, and a lemon cheesecake. I thought to myself, the streets

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are strangely deserted tonight. Oh that
was okay. I guess that was okay.

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I like this one. My daughter
would like that one. Yeah,

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she loves these dad jokes. I
was abducted by aliens. They made me

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wash my hands, clean my room, and eat my vegetables. Turns out

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I was on the mother ship.
O. Wow, you know that's that's

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that's okay, that's okay. You
know these ones so far we're doing we're

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doing a three play of words kinds
of things, right. Yeah, the

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glass of water. Wasn't a play
of words? That was just clever?

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All right? Here we go.
Number three? Uh, my wife and

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I laugh at how competitive we are, but I laugh more. That's so

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good. I like that one really
a lot. That's good. I told

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my waitress that my coffee tasted like
mud. She said it should it was

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fresh ground this morning. Oh.
I like that one though. It was

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fresh ground to me. That's better
than the other way. Yeah, that's

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funny. Although that's a play on
words one as well, right, isn't

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it? All right? Here we
go? Oh, talk about a play

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on words? Holy cow? Ready, what do you call a dinosaur that

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crashes his car? I don't know, Tyrannosaurus rex. They're thinking like what

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could that be? Yeah? Okay? What do you call a medieval spy

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a spy? Yeah? Okay?
What sir? Valence? Oh wow?

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Bad? That is really that's the
can we deem? That is the worst

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one so far. That's really bad? All right? Number five and the

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final one from me here it is
singing the shower is all fun and games

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until you get body wash in your
mouth. Then it's a soap opera.

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Geez I like it too. I
like it too. Okay, last one,

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a sweater I bought was picking up
static electricity, so I returned it

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to the store. They gave me
another one free of charge. That's pretty

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good. That's pretty good. So
wow, talk about playing words. We

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gotta blame Desiree. I by far, that's vote the best one. I

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don't know what you think is the
best one. I think the glass of

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water one is the best one.
Yeah, that was pretty good. Today

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I had someone knock on my door
asking for small donations toward the local swimming

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pools. So I gave the donation. That's so funny. I don't know

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where she finds these as A guy
is gonna take the glass of water all

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the way back in down. He's
gonna do that until he fills it.

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Oh my goodness, that's funny.
Pretty good. Yep, So Dad Joe

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competitions. We hope that that brightens
your day so far, And if it's

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in the morning, then hey,
what a great way to start the morning.

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Yeah. Today we are continuing on
with is our series that we're in

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called Milestones of the Old Testament or
Highlights of the Old Testament, and we're

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just really sort of skipping around and
we're just doing the main what is it

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the essentials, right, and right
now we're walking through all the different important

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elements of God giving instructions about the
temple. And so we last yesterday we

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covered the instructions on the sacrifices,
and we forgot to mention by the way,

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because we ran out of time.
But the remember I mentioned yesterday that

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it was the tamid sacrifice or the
perpetual sacrifice that happened once in the morning

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and once in the evening. It
was also the only sacrifice mentioned in all

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the types of sacrifices in the Bible
that has a sweet aroma to God.

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And so later on in the Book
of Hebrews, it actually talks about how

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Jesus when he died in the cross, was a sweet aroma to God.

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Right, so he was also connected
to perpetual sacrifice. Yeah, and he

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was even anointed too, So they
are all kind of oh yeah references you

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can tie in there. Yeah,
right, so that's really cool. All

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right, Well, today we're reading
from Exodus chapter thirty, and we're going

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to be reading from verses one through
ten. Yeah, so it says,

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then make another altar of acacia wood
for burning incense, make it eighteen inches

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square and thirty six inches high,
with horns at the corners, carved from

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the same piece of wood as the
altar itself. Again, we're dealing with

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that thing of being very specific here. Verse three. Overlay the top sides

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and horns of the altar with pure
gold, and run a gold molding around

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the entire altar. Make two gold
rings and attach them on opposite sides of

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the altar below the goal molding.
To hold the carrying poles, make the

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poles of acacia wood and overlay them
with gold. Place the incense altar just

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outside the inner curtain that shields the
arc of the covenant. In front one

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of the arcs, cover the place
of atonement that covers the tablets inscribed with

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the terms of the covenant. I
will meet with you there. Verse seven

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says every morning, when Aaron's aaron
maintains the lamps, he must burn fragrant

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incense on the altar, and each
evening when he lights the lamps, he

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must again burn incense in the Lord's
presence. This must be done from generation

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to generation. Do not offer any
unholy incense on this altar, or any

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burnt offerings, grain offerings, or
liquid offerings Verse ten. Once a year,

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aaron must purify the altar by smearing
its horns with blood from the offering

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made to purify the people from their
sin. This will be a regular annual

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event from generation to generation, for
this is the Lord's most holy alter.

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Wow. Yeah, there's a lot
there. You know, I was always

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a little bit infused by that claim. This is the Lord's most holy altar.

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You know, you would think that
the altar because there's two altars in

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the temple, right, So one
altar is an altar of sacrifice, right,

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and then this altar is designed only
for burning incense. So the other

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altar is you know, you pour
out drink offerings, burnt offerings. And

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in this altar here the incense alter. There's a little note here that has

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a little read about it and the
Life Application Study Bible, and it says

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the Tabernacle and Temple, So in
other words, it's covering that this takes

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place also in Solomon's temple as well. Right, the Tabernacle and temple contain

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two altars, one for burning sacrifices
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alter was placed in front of the
veil between the holy Place and the most

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holy Place or the holy holies,
the Inner Sanctuary. The incense altar was

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made of cedar wood and overlable gold, and it was about eight you know,

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blah blah blah blah blah. This
altar was used to burn incense before

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the veil, and the burning incense
symbolized the prayers of God's people ascending to

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God. The Heavenly Temple also has
an altar of incense. If you read

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in Revelation chapter six, verse nine, chapter eight, verse five, Chapter

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nine, verse thirteen. So the
next time you pray, think of your

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prayers as an ascending or as ascending
to God like incense. So this is

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why the more traditional religions and practices
and faiths still burn incense right now,

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even though that we know that we're
under the New Testament, you know,

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nothing that we you know, that
is required to you know, to go

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through going through priests for forgiveness,
you know, burning incense for prayers,

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those kinds of things. There are
things, there are people that still practice

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that. But we also know that
we're not under the law and anymore well

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we're not under the you know,
this type of obligation. And so therefore

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at our church. We don't do
any of this right because it was given

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for a time, for a specific
purpose, and Jesus was the fulfillment of

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the symbol symbolization of all of this. Yes, right, and Paul clearly

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tells us we're not under the law. Now. Is there anything wrong with

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burning incense the symbolized prayer? Absolutely
not. So my brother is a devout

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Catholic, and and so the rest
of us in the family. I have

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four older brothers, five boys in
all, So the rest of us we

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all grew up sort of non practicing
Catholics and we sort of shifted over to

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sort of a non denominational type type, you know, faith. But he

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just absolutely loves tradition. You know
what's interesting is that he is not only

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that way in his faith, he's
that way in his life. He like,

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he's like, he's like, Chris, don't you love to get up

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and have the same bullet cereal every
single day? I'm like, I'm like,

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he's like, don't you love a
routine? I'm like, I'm like,

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I would rather die than have a
routine in my life, right,

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I mean the idea that like you
have to go to bed at the same

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time get up at the same time, eat the same thing, do the

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same thing. I can I promise
you that that actually scares me. I

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would think to myself, I would
I would not enjoy life now. Routines

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are great if you're going towards a
goal. I think of like an Olympic

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athlete. You know, they have
a regimented diet, a regimented wake up,

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go to sleep. They need so
much protein and you know they have

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a regimented I think so. Yeah, but just in a normal everyday life,

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well, and again there's nothing wrong
with it. I'm just I'm only

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speaking for me right now. For
my brother Tom, I would think that

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he, you know, if he's
straight from his routine, he'd be like,

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I'm off today, I'm not on
my game. Something's just not quite

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right, you know. And it's
like it's like, man, I can't

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believe I'm just thrown off all day. And so therefore, like so I

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visited, you know, a church
with him, and and they walk down

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the aisle and they have the incense, right, and then they're they're they're

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waving this thing and and it's you
know, it has that really strong scentse

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and everything else. And he looks
at me and he goes, he goes,

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oh man, he goes, isn't
that Isn't that just unbelievable? He

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goes, isn't that awesome? And
I was like, what do you mean?

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He's like, well, you know
what that symbolizes, right, I'm

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like, well, yeah, I
do. It symbolizes the Holy Spirit.

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And he's like, isn't that amazing? I'm like, but don't you do

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it every week? Right? Like, like if you've seen it your whole

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entire life, what's so interesting is
it's amazing to him? Right, And

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so there's nothing wrong with that,
right, nothing wrong with burning incense for

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the symbolism, right, as long
as you don't ascribe power to the incense,

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Like without the incense, my prayers
can't reach God. That's not what

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he's saying, right, like without
this. So just let's be clear.

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Jesus came and he fulfilled everything,
and there's absolutely nothing wrong with tradition.

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There's nothing wrong with reciting prayers word
for word over and over. There's nothing

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wrong with those things. We're just
not required to do this, yes,

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right, because Jesus, you know, has fulfilled all that. You know,

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what's so great is that It also
mentioned that there's a reference of this,

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you know, tradition that carried from
the time of Exodus all the way

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up until the time of Jesus.
So if you fast forward to Luke chapter

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number one, do you remember the
story of when John the Baptist was announced?

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Yeah? Right, and you remember
what happened to Zachariah. And Zachariah

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had walked into the Holy Place,
and what he was doing was he was

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burning incense. So listen to this, and it says in verse number ten.

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Well, actually, I'll back up, and it says once when Zachari's

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division was on duty and he was
serving as priest before God, he was

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chosen by lot, right by straws, and according to the custom of the

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priesthood priesthood, he was the going
to the Temple of the Lord and burn

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incense. And when the time of
the burning of the incense came, all

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the assembled worshippers were praying outside.
Then the Angel of the Lord appeared to

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him, standing at the right side
of the altar of incense. When Zachariah

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saw him, he was startled and
he was gripped with fear. But the

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angel said, do not be afraid. Zachariath, for your prayer has been

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heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear
a son, and you were to call

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him John. So think about this. So the entire family, you know,

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John and his wife Elizabeth, have
been praying over and over and over

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for a child. So he goes
in, he lights incense, and what

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does he do. He prays,
Yeah, And in his prayer, what

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does he do he prais the same
thing that his family has been praying for,

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the yearning of his heart and his
home and his legacy, right and

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everything else that was he wanted a
son. And so the angel shows up

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and says appropriately at the altar of
incense, Yeah, isn't that amazing?

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that, I was thinking of things
that my wife and I have prayed for,

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and that's one of the things that
we prayed for in the past,

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was for a child. So I
remember we got married and it had been

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i don't know, like four years
five years and no kids, and we

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were praying and praying and praying,
and then my wife finally got married and

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then she had a miscarriage and then
we were just like deflated, like man,

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you know, this is really tough. But we kept praying because we

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knew that God was faithful, So
we kept praying, kept praying, kept

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praying, and eventually my wife did
get pregnant, but it didn't go exactly

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how we plan but God was still
in the mix. And I think that's

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something for everyone our listeners to realize
that even when things don't go according to

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your plan, God is still in
the mix of everything. So my wife

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gets pregnant at about I don't know
how many months this would be, like

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week twenty eight. Her water breaks. So for those of you who know,

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you know babies take nine months.
That's way too early, right,

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So how much is twenty eight weeks? You're gonna make me do math live

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now. So my daughter, her
birthday is on July eighth. She was

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supposed to be due in September.
July, okay, so July August September,

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so eight weeks early. Yeah,
so she was super early. So

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when she was born, well,
I got it back up a little bit.

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She decided she wanted to get free
foot first. Oh wow, literally

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foot first. So the water broke
and she was breathing. Yeah, she

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was like, I'm getting out of
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So we had to do an emergency
surgery. I still remember that like it

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was yesterday. The doctors get her
out. She's two pounds. Literally,

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you could hold her with one hand. They let us see her for a

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quick second, whisked her away to
the nick you for babies, the ICU,

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and I had her hooked up to
everything and she's perfectly healthy, fine

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now, doing fine, no issues, no problems. But the point is

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we pre now. Yeah she is
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I'm not ready for driving and dating. I remember those those days,

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man, those are good days.
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the point is we lifted our prayers
unto God. Like people here who were

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praying and burning incense. We lifted
our prayer unto God, and God answered

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the prayer. Even though things along
the path didn't. They didn't unfold like

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I thought they would unfold. Even
in the midst of all that, we

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had great doctors, we had great
nurses, We were able to share our

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faith in the hospital, like so
many amazing things happen out of that that

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it was just amazing. Yeah,
and uh so I'll share a quick prayer

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story too. And I might have
mentioned this like so long ago, like

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maybe even a couple of years ago
on the on the HC Daily, I

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think. But my wife had prayed
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And the story was, you know, we were still paying house payments

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in Atlanta and we're having to pay
house payments in Michigan, which is not

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fun. It's not been the two
mortgage game for a couple of months and

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it's not funn No, it's it's
really bad, especially when the church who

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hires you only gives you pennies,
right, and so we're making pennies moving

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up to Michigan, and I took
a pay cut and the cost of living

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was like like fifty percent higher here. Yeah, and I took like a

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forty percent pay cut. It was
just unbelievable. It's not good. So

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we're paying and goodness, thank goodness, our our house payment wasn't up here.

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Of the rent wasn't that bad because
we were staying in a house that

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was trying to be sold as well. Okay, because there was a family

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who actually was trying to sell their
house in Michigan and they went to Salt

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Lake City, Utah to start a
church. So their house is literally for

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sale, but it was just sitting
there. So they were like they were

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being kind, and they said,
you know what our house is, you

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know, sitting there for sale.
It has nobody in it. Why don't

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you guys stay there until you can
you know, sell your house and buy

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a house. But they charging us, so we're paying and uh and then

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all of a sudden, you know, we're making these payments, and so

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my wife is like, goodness,
gracious, we need to pray hard at

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our house in Atlanta cells because we're
making this payment. But at the same

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time, she had compassion on Christa's
house that we were staying in, right,

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and she says, I need to
pray that this house will be sold

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too, because it's been a year
and nobody's been on this house at all

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in Michigan. So my wife says, but if there's a conundrum, because

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if if our house sells first,
great, then we'll leave, but it's

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gonna hurt them financially. But if
their house goes first, then we're really

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out of luck because now we get
to like, you know, do a

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rent a house, and then we're
messing with schools and you know, and

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all these kind of things right,
and so, and so my wife says,

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Okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna pray that the houses

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sell and close the no no no
on the same day. Oh wow.

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So she goes, God, I
want the house house specific. That's specific,

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right, But you said praise specific. She says, I want them

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to sell on the same day.
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in the same day. And she
goes, God, they I don't know

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you're in this. You know,
we just upproved our family. We just

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moved to Michigan from Atlanta, by
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of Michigan. And so anyway,
so she prays, and then what turns

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out is that they sell on the
same day. Wow. And then they

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close in the same day. Yeah, I'm not even kidding. And it's

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like, what are the odds?
Try and calculate that. Here's the funny

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thing. And I do this sometimes
too. We'll pray for something and then

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I will literally be shocked when God
does it right. It's like, well,

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this is what you asked for.
Yeah, but that's awesome. On

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the same day to have both homes
sell, that's more than a coincidence.

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Well, I think about it.
It's it's one of those things where when

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you ask for in advance and it
happens, and the odds are like probably

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trillions the one I mean, I
bet you some. I think in the

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USA, the fact that these in
separate states, well, you know,

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and then think about the unreliable predictability
of closings. Right, Oh we have

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to reschedule closing, we have to
do be a paperwork issue. Oh we

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got a bump in a day or
so in the same day. It's just

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incomfortable. It's got to be trillions
the one. It really does. And

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so anyway, the point is is
that when that happens, it's those times

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in our lives where we when we
do pray, we don't get what we

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want. We look back at God's
faithfulness and we say, well, we

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know God, here's our prayers.
We know God is listening. We know

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God is going to do what he's
going to do if he wants to do

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it, and we have to just
trust and a good God who wants what's

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best for us. Because God's been
faithful in the past. So when we

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struggle and God doesn't answer, we
just have to trust that that's something,

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no matter how good or bad it
is that we're going through, something is

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going to be you know, used
to glorify God. And uh, and

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good's going to come from even even
you know, the bad things. So

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let me just say that as well. Uh. The idea that that the

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alter of incense is referred to by
God as his most holy alter. So

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think about that. Not the altar
of sacrifice for sins and not where the

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drink offerings are, you know,
which is the same alter, but this

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alter of prayers, that's the most
holy alter, you know. And I

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think, I think, I think, I think I know the reason why

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because the other alter and this is
just human logic, but the other alter

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is an altar that represents something that
was outside of God's design. Think about

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when God created humanity. He created
humanity for relationship, right, he created

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humanity for for worship, and he
gave us free will because true love cannot

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exist with that free will. And
and then and then outside of God's design

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there is sin that comes into the
world. So God then has to put

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into place a system in which we
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that system outside of God's design is
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But the system of incense represents God's
original design at all, or or

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you know, at the beginning,
God's endgame, from the very beginning was

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a relationship with him. So even
even the New Testament says that Jesus Christ

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comes as a mediator so that our
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The altar of incense is so important
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you know, just connecting the dots
in the scripture. It represents God's original

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desire, which is us coming to
him, you know, in a repentance

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form and a worship form and a
loving form, praying, talking, asking,

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depending, And that's what God wanted
from the very beginning in the first

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place. And so that's that's a
great thing to be reminded of. What

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a great thought. Every time you
bow your heads and close your eyes.

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Number one, you're in the Holy
of holies, right, you're in the

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holy place and the most holy place. Think of your prayers as an incense,

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and think of this that even in
heaven, the Book of Revelation tells

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us God still has an alter of
incense. Yeah, but did you notice

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though there's no alter of sacrifice,
right at least, I don't think so.

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Unless I'm wrong, I'm open to
being wrong, but I'm pretty certain

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there's not an alter of sacrifice in
heaven, but there's an alter of incense

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because God wants our relationship with him. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,

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I think we're out of time.
Yeah, this is a really great topic

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here. Yep. So we're going
to continue on and hopefully you'll join us

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next time on the Bible. Guys,