WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:15.640 practical ways. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Bible Guys. Hi, Chris, Hi, Jeffree. 4 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:17.640 Man, it's going to be here, yeah, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. 5 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:20.160 Yeah. You can call me Christopher if you're Christopher. Yeah. 6 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:24.559 Okay, So we are here today wrapping up the story 7 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.239 of David and Absolom and his rebellion. But before we 8 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.760 get into that, we are going to do a segment 9 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:32.240 that Desire has prepared for us. 10 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:36.560 Called would would you rather? I like these these are great? 11 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.119 Rather you have to choose? Okay, so you want to 12 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:40.119 just take turns of reading them? 13 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.159 Okay, ready, yep? Would you I haven't read any of these? 14 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.159 Would you rather have a personal soundtrack that plays your 15 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:49.679 life's background music? Or a narration that describes your every 16 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:51.439 action and a dramatic voice. 17 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:52.039 Wow? 18 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.560 I think we've had different personal soundtrack questions before we have, 19 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:56.439 but this one is. 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:57.240 But this is good. 21 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.600 A narration that describes your every action in dramatic voice. 22 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.840 Because we've chosen soundtrack. 23 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:04.920 Before we have we have? Yeah? Because I said bad 24 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:05.439 to the bomb. 25 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.959 Yeah, narration that describes your every action. 26 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.200 Yeah, I would have to go with the music because 27 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.280 music is more tolerable than I caused the voice. 28 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.519 Yes, right, I don't know. I like the voices in 29 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.400 my head. We're pretty good friends. 30 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.959 Calm down, what do you say? 31 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:24.319 What? 32 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.319 Tim? 33 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.159 I know? I smell it too funny? 34 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.959 That's great, Okay. 35 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.319 I think I would choose, although having having the voice 36 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.319 would be fun, I think I would choose the music. 37 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:46.480 The music, all right. Number two? Would you rather have 38 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:49.920 to always speak in rhymes? Oh jeez? 39 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.120 Or only to be able to communicate through dad jokes? 40 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:54.599 For sure? 41 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.200 Rhymes for sure? 42 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:56.640 Well? 43 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.359 Because rhymes are you? 44 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.760 Can you drop it? Rhymes like dimes? 45 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:03.000 Oh geez? 46 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.319 No? Hey? 47 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.400 Uh what do you what are you saying? He says, Uh, 48 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.639 you have a gift for rhyme? Yes, yes, some of 49 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:13.039 the time. 50 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:13.800 Some of the time. 51 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:14.960 Right, that's right. 52 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:16.479 No more rhymes now? And I mean it. 53 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.759 Anybody want a peanut princess bride? 54 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:22.400 So it has to be rhymes, you know why? 55 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.000 Because they're more that you can still be intelligent, that's correct, 56 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:27.479 and intellectual through runs. 57 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.000 Yes? So well, would you rather live in a world 58 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:33.039 where it rains food once a week? Or where it 59 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.639 snows candy once a year? 60 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:37.199 Oh, no question, ra. 61 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:38.960 Range. 62 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:41.199 Hang on a minute, go ahead and finish that. 63 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.280 Yeah, it has to be range food. 64 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.439 You literally tried to answer the question while you were yawning. 65 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.400 Yes, Hey, did you ever Do you ever see the 66 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.240 movie Cloudy with a Chancey Meatballs? 67 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.840 I don't think so. It's an animated Yeah, I know 68 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:55.400 about it. I just still think i've seen it. 69 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.240 So this guy invents something he puts up into the 70 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.199 clouds and then it used the moisture in the clouds 71 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.080 to produce food, or he has a remote control so 72 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.280 anyway it rains food, then it gets out of control. 73 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:12.280 But basically, yeah, that was the premise behind it. And yeah, 74 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:13.360 I think I would like that. 75 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.879 You'd rather have it rain food once a week, the 76 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.719 right kind of food, right kind of food? Yeah, I 77 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:23.039 would totally choose snow candy once a year. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, 78 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:23.840 I'm a candy guy. 79 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:25.560 Well I'm not a candy guy. 80 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:32.280 I love I'm a chocoholic. Well, I and your recovery 81 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:34.680 is admitting it, but I have no intention to recover. 82 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:36.840 So you know that the other day I came home 83 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.919 and apparently my wife had made a dark brownie, chocolate 84 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.039 brownie with chocolate chunks and then chocolate chips on top 85 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.360 of that, and I had had set a peace out. 86 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.960 My son even made a little note and said for dad, 87 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:52.280 and I. 88 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:56.000 Felt obligated to eat it because because it said four dad. 89 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.159 Yeah, I eat all the brownies in our house by 90 00:03:58.199 --> 00:03:59.000 obligation too. 91 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.039 Yes, yes, But anyway, I took one bite of it 92 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.960 and it had chocolate chunks and chocolate chips and it 93 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.520 was dark chocolate. And I one bite of it and 94 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.439 I was like, I have to throw this away. I 95 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.319 cannot stomach this chocolate, so I had to get rid 96 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:14.439 of it. 97 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.600 Okay, So I'm pretty sure you're not a Christian. 98 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.560 I'm pretty sure you and I in that area. All right, 99 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:22.000 here we go? 100 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:22.879 Okay? 101 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:24.600 Is this me you? Okay? 102 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:27.519 Would you rather wear a sign that says I'm awkward 103 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.040 everywhere you go? Or have everyone around you suddenly forget 104 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:33.600 how to talk? 105 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:42.759 What everybody around you can't talk, you. 106 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.439 Can't talk into your room and everybody's like. 107 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:52.040 What is happening? 108 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:57.079 Or you have to wear That's the question, that's the question. 109 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.160 That is such a wild and weird question. 110 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:00.360 What would you rather? 111 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.920 I would definitely have to go with the awkward. 112 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.720 Yeah. I don't think you have to wear the sign though, 113 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:07.519 what do. 114 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.240 You mean, oh, everybody, everybody? 115 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.000 According to this, i'd have to wear it. 116 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.279 You have to wear the sign? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 117 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:16.560 think that would be far more functional, Your life would 118 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:17.160 be more funcional. 119 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:18.680 You'd have to just explain the way once. 120 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:20.720 Yeah, I lost. I have to wear the sign the 121 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.639 rest of my life. Yeah, okay. And then number five, 122 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.319 would you rather be famous for your cooking skills but 123 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.040 never be able to eat again? Or be known for 124 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.680 your singing voice but only be able to sing off key, but. 125 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.360 If you don't eat again, you die? That's ray? 126 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:40.040 Well there's that. 127 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:43.360 Hey, you know what I should read? 128 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.439 Would you rather be famous for cooking skills but never 129 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.759 be able to eat again and live a month? 130 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.040 Yeah? Or and never be able to eat your own 131 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:52.759 food again? 132 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:54.600 But it doesn't say that. 133 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.319 I know. But well, you also said other things. I 134 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.399 didn't say live a month. What I'm saying is, if 135 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.439 you want to correct that one, well, that's what it means. 136 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:04.639 Be famous for your cooking stills but never be able 137 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.920 to eat your own food again is really the issue. 138 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.839 Okay, I said live a month because that's the ultimate 139 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:09.480 conclusion of. 140 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:10.120 What she said. 141 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.279 I know, but it's yeah, all right, so obviously we 142 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.199 have to choose the singing voice but only be able 143 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.560 to sing off key because you know, there's no requirement 144 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.800 to sing right, right, you just quit singing, right, yes. 145 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.160 Yeah, but be known for it though. 146 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.160 Everybody's like, oh, Jeff, just sing sing one more time, Chris, 147 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.720 I gave it up. No, no, no, actors. Actors are famous 148 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.839 for acting and then quit acting. 149 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.480 I read this as you're famous for being bad. 150 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.680 Well, you're famous for your singing voice, but only able 151 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:42.639 to sing off key. 152 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.399 Right, In other words, like your famous like like remember 153 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.879 those old American idol auditions where they would highlight the 154 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:49.360 bad ones. 155 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:51.720 Yeah, that's that's why. That's how I read it. Okay, 156 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.040 I don't know, but you became like really really bad. 157 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.439 Yeah, maybe maybe that's what it is. I'd still rather 158 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.879 have that, because you know, the other one has is 159 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.199 extremely limited to about thirty or forty days. 160 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.759 Yeah, that's that's right. And by the way, I started 161 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:07.879 to get excited. 162 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.240 For you at the beginning of this question because it says, 163 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.279 would you rather be known for your cooking skills? 164 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:13.680 Be famous for it? And I was like, Oh, this 165 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:17.240 is for Jeff, I get excited for you to eat again. Yeah. 166 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:18.959 Then I thought that's not him. 167 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:19.480 That's not it. 168 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:20.279 Yeah. 169 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.079 I'm a big fan of the eat inside of things, which. 170 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.120 Is why you're a fan of the Does anybody ever 171 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:27.839 become a fan of cooking if not for eating? 172 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.759 I don't know. I like it all right. 173 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:30.480 Time to move on. 174 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.279 By the way, speaking of cooking, this story is really 175 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:33.759 cooking up. 176 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:37.519 We've been cooking up a big ending. 177 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:39.839 Again. 178 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.160 Once again, our skills are going through the roof. Yes, 179 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:44.439 our ability. 180 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:49.519 Transitional segues are our forte is terrible. 181 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:51.279 Okay, we should do that. 182 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:54.560 From now on on. Worst segues ever. 183 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.480 Dad joke segues essentially what it is really funny. 184 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:03.279 Yeah, okay, now it's terrible. So here's what we have. 185 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.920 This young man Absolom decides he's gonna commit a coup 186 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.720 against his dad. He has very long hair, he's a 187 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:14.279 very handsome man. David his armies finally have to square 188 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.000 off against him, and that doesn't want to fight him, 189 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.160 and Joe ab winds up killing Absolom because Absolom's hair 190 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.920 gets caught in a tree and they find him and 191 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.920 they go and yeah, and he dangled. He dangled. Yes, 192 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:28.560 that's a biblical word. 193 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:29.360 It is. 194 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.519 So then here's what happens, because David had said, go 195 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.600 ahead and fight, uh, but just be gentle with my son, right. 196 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.759 And then Joe Ab, one of the generals, kills David's. 197 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.360 Son in a very non gentle way. 198 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.080 Yes, less than gentle, very much less than gentleness. So 199 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.399 Second Samuel, chapter eighteen, verse nineteen says, Then Zadok's son 200 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.600 him As said, let me run to the king with 201 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.360 the good news that the lord has rescued him from 202 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.159 his enemies. No, Joe, I told him it wouldn't be 203 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.399 good news to the king that his son is dead. 204 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:00.879 You can be my messenger another time and not today. 205 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.480 Then Joeb said to a man from Ethiopia, go tell 206 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.559 the king what you've seen. The man bowed and ran off. 207 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.240 This guy, this guy doesn't know what David does. 208 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:10.480 You disposed a guy. 209 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:14.320 Yeah, But Hima asked, continue to plead with job. Whatever happens, 210 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.080 please let me go too. Why should you go my son? 211 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.600 Joe AB replied there will be no reward for your news. Yes, 212 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.679 but let me go anyway, he begged, and Joe finally said, 213 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.799 all right, go ahead. So him As took the less 214 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:27.720 demanding route by the way of the plane and ran 215 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:32.080 to Mahannam ahead of the Ethiopian. But hey, that's saying 216 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.080 something when when anybody can beat an Ethiopian in a 217 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:39.600 long run. Yeah, those Ethiopians are are are famous and 218 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.200 have been forever been famous for those long runs. So 219 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:44.399 this guy beats him by a less demanding route. While 220 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:46.600 David was sitting between the inner and outer gates of 221 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.279 the town, the watchman climbed to the roof of the 222 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.759 gateway by the wall. As he looked, he saw a 223 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.240 lone man running toward them. He shouted the news down 224 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.360 to David, and the king replied, if he is alone, 225 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.200 he has news. As the messenger came closer, the watchman 226 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.879 saw another man unning toward him. He shouted down, here 227 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.639 comes another one. The king replied, he also will have news. 228 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.120 The first man runs like a him As the son 229 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.720 of Zadok. The watchman said, he's a good man. It 230 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.759 comes with good news, the king replied. Then him As 231 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.200 cried after the king, everything is all right, And he 232 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.000 bowed before the king with his face to the ground, 233 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.440 and said, praise to the Lord, our God. Who has 234 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.080 handed over the rebels who dared to stand against my 235 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.919 lord the King. What about young Absalom? The king demanded, 236 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.639 is he all right? Him As replied, when Joeb told 237 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.039 me to come, there was a lot of commotion, but 238 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.320 I didn't know what was happening. Wait here, the king 239 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.399 told him, So him As stepped aside. Then the man 240 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.600 from Ethiopia arrived and said, I have good news for 241 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.759 my Lord the King. Today. The Lord has rescued you 242 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:42.120 from all those who rebelled against you. What about young Absalom? 243 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.399 The king demanded, Is he all right? The Othman replied, 244 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.720 may all of your Ethiopia or may I just realized 245 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.399 I said Ethiopian wrong, and then my brain corrected it 246 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.559 after I got past it. Let me complain, Let me 247 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.720 say it again. And the Ethiopian replied, may all of 248 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:02.000 your enemies, my Lord the King, both now and in 249 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.559 the future, share the fate of that young man. The 250 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.200 king was overcome with emotion. He went up to the 251 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.559 room over the gateway and burst into tears, And as 252 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.639 he went he cried, oh, my son, Absolom, My son, 253 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.840 my son, Absolom. If only I had died instead of you, Oh, Absolom, 254 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.840 my son, my son. Wow, that hard. 255 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:21.840 That's tough. 256 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:23.240 That's a tough one. 257 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:25.799 Yeah, I am, well, there you go. 258 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:27.159 I hate that, yep. 259 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:29.360 Yeah. 260 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:34.080 So so there's a note here in the Life Application 261 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.279 Study Bible, which we promote, although we get no. 262 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:37.039 Money for that. 263 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:38.320 That's right, they should. 264 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:39.960 Sponsor the Bible, guys, do you think by now? 265 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.000 All right? But anyway, it says why was David so 266 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.840 upset over the death of his rebel son? 267 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:45.559 Number one? 268 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.679 David realized that he, in part was responsible for Absolom's death. 269 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.000 Nathan the Prophet had said that David had killed Uriah, 270 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:56.159 his own sons would rebel against him. Number Two David 271 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.159 was angry at Joeb and his officers for killing Absolom 272 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:02.480 against his wishes. Number three David truly loved his son, 273 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.919 even though Absolom did nothing to deserve his love. It 274 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.879 would have been kinder and more loving to deal with 275 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:13.360 Absolom and his runaway ego when he was younger, which 276 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.440 is what we've already covered, right. So I just think 277 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.720 that it's just tragic all the way around. I mean, 278 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.440 think about all three of those fronts we've talked about 279 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.759 it before. I honestly believe that there are signs and 280 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:30.240 hints of David completely having this godly perspective of knowing 281 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.120 that it was his sin long time ago that put 282 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:36.519 this into motion. And so you know, David just has 283 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.440 no choice but to feel completely responsible, not just as 284 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.320 the commander of the army, but a person who decided 285 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.639 to rebel against God. And then all of a sudden, 286 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.120 these consequences come along, you know, and here they are 287 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.639 just consequences of his you know, think. 288 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.480 About the different sins that we do. 289 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.399 Sometimes we have a sin in our life for a 290 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:04.159 mistake in our life that only affects one relationship, you know, 291 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.840 because it's an offense against that person or something like that. 292 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:08.120 And then there's you know. 293 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:09.960 Things that we do in our lives that somehow involve 294 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.960 all of our families sometimes, right. And then there's things 295 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.960 that we do sometimes in our lives that involve let's 296 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.879 just say, if we're like a prominent leader, right, I mean, 297 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.639 we just read something from a church in our area 298 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.519 that something bad happened, remember, and all of a sudden 299 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:27.399 it's thinking, well, how many lives are that can affect? 300 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:32.519 And then think about the king or the president of 301 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:37.679 a nation, right, who does this wicked thing, and that 302 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.000 person is supposed to be known as a person who 303 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:45.440 loves God, is a person who's responsible for leading everybody spiritually, 304 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:47.879 and all of a sudden he has a sin. And 305 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.519 now the consequences of those kinds of sins affect the 306 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.360 entire nation. And so here's David who does this wicked 307 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.960 thing by killing your Ayah, taking Bathsheba as this queen 308 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.200 does it in front of the entire nation, and then 309 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.840 all of a sudden gets called out, and then the 310 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:10.799 nation gets to witness the curse played out. 311 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:11.879 Think about that. 312 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:15.200 Yeah, so the entire nation, those who really love God, 313 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.039 those who are paying attention, all the grandmas a are 314 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.039 sitting beside the fire, you know, and the grandfathers. They're 315 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.879 looking at their families and they're saying, you do realize 316 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.919 what's happening here, kids, don't you right? And and they're 317 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.320 laying it out and so David has no choice but 318 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.320 to think about all of that. And so so it's 319 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.679 just sat on so many fronts, you know. 320 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:41.120 Yeah, did did did Nathan say that that was a curse? 321 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:42.519 I was just thinking about. 322 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.240 This, Well, he said your sons will rebel against you. 323 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:49.399 Yeah, was that prophetic. Well, so a curse it must happen. 324 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.360 It's it's it's the will of God that must happen, 325 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.639 as opposed. 326 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.240 To are you asking about the term curse? 327 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.320 Yes, okay, right, So God didn't force this thing to happened, 328 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.200 and Absolom wasn't required to do it to fill the curse. Instead, 329 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.679 it was a prophetic thing that God said, I know 330 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:08.919 what's going to happen now because of this bad choice. 331 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.240 In previous podcast, we both have said. 332 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:12.519 Preferred that it was a curse. It was a curse, 333 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.399 I know, but that's what I'm questioning right now. Yeah. 334 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:15.840 And then also. 335 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.480 I know for a fact that we read a note 336 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.879 in the Life Application Study Bible and they viewed as 337 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:22.279 a curse. 338 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.960 Sure, it says so back there in Second Samuel chapter twelve. 339 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:27.840 So here's here's the answer of verse eleven. It says, 340 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.039 this is what the Lord says, because of what you've done, 341 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:34.519 I will cause your own household and rebel against you. Yeah, 342 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:38.240 so you did it so secretly and I will make this. 343 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.480 So the question is, can't curse be used interchangeably in 344 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:43.200 something like that? 345 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.799 Well, so I think it is a curse. Then, yeah, 346 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:49.360 that's what I was asking, as opposed to prophetically, if 347 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.039 God was just looking in the future and going, because 348 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.039 you did this, it's going to scatch cascade down, and 349 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.320 this is what it's going to happen. Your son is 350 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.279 going to instead. What God's saying is I turned your 351 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:57.919 son against you. 352 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.559 Yeah, well, doesn't it also say something after that? And 353 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.919 second Samuel, it says, uh, and then all of your house, 354 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:05.600 all of your children, will live by the sword. 355 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.480 And he also said that he's going to sleep with 356 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:08.200 your wives. 357 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:13.679 He predicted that. 358 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.799 He predicted Absolom' that's what I was getting to. 359 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.320 Oh wow, I didn't even piece that together. 360 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:20.919 I remember. 361 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:25.279 I remember that now because it's it's something that you want, right. 362 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:26.960 I want to forget it whenever I read it. I 363 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.399 want to forget it. Like you hear something like that 364 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.840 and you're like and you just sort of want to 365 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.559 just put that out of your mind. At least I do, right, 366 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.320 And so it's like and so that's why I'm like, yeah, 367 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:38.480 I didn't even piece that together. 368 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.000 He predicted that, Yeah, yeah. 369 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.600 It'd be in public view. You did this in secret, 370 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.840 and it's going to come out in the public. So 371 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.000 this was kind of a foreordained thing. This was it 372 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:54.120 was going to happen. Yeah, but Absolum, it's it's a 373 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.679 shame because on the same side, Absolom didn't have to 374 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:59.679 do these things right, so God knew it was going 375 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.960 to happen. And that's what God is saying is all 376 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:07.960 these horrible things are going to happen. But Absolom was 377 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.200 doomed from the beginning because David was still God's anointed. 378 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:16.039 Remember when David refused to kill Saul when Saul was 379 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.279 in the cave, or he refused to kill Saul while 380 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.519 Saul was out in the field sleeping and he comes 381 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.000 up to him and instead he just cuts off the 382 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.599 edge of his robe and it shows him right. David 383 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:29.359 was like, I'm not going to touch the Lord's anning it. 384 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:31.480 I'm not going to mess around with the one God chose. 385 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:33.519 If God put him in that place, and God's going 386 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:34.799 to take him out of that place, it's not my 387 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:39.279 responsibility to take him out. But Absolom decided, my dad 388 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.920 doesn't have the courage to lead, I'm going to take 389 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.519 him out right, and he decided to raise his hand 390 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:46.440 to But God hadn't announced yet. The Absolom was the one. 391 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:52.000 Absolom was the heir apparent that throne was Absolom someday, right, 392 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.920 and he decided he was going to go do the 393 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.720 right thing the wrong way. I kind of have compassion 394 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.039 on Absom a little bit on the front end of it, going, 395 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:05.279 you didn't bring judgment against my brother. Right, my stepbrother 396 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.799 comes and rapes my sister, and you didn't do anything 397 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.559 about it. And so I am the blood avenger. I'm 398 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:13.880 the one that's going to come and I'm going to 399 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.720 bring judgment when you can't. And so he sees weakness 400 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:18.559 and he decides he's going to rise up. And he 401 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.440