Bo: "Blooming Stone".
Bo: Hey everyone, welcome back to another Heart
Bo: of Horror.
Bo: I am one of your hosts.
Bo: My name is Bo.
Bo: With me, as always, the abulient, the
Bo: literary, some might even call bookish, or
Bo: perhaps even sexy, librarian-esque.
Bo: "blooming Stone".
Bo: Kate Pollock.
Bo: blooming?
Kate: Stone.
Kate: Um, thanks, sure, hi.
Kate: Well, it's funny.
Kate: It's kind of ironic that you called me
Kate: bookish librarian, because the first word I
Kate: don't know what it means that you used
Kate: Right, I'm clearly not that bookish.
Kate: But no, actually it's funny that you
Kate: mentioned that because I just got off
Kate: interviewing another author for my new show,
Kate: plug Plug.
Bo: Yes, and what is that called and where can
Bo: people find it?
Kate: It's called Kate Anjou's book reviews.
Kate: Ornju is about A-N-J-O-U it's my middle
Kate: name because I just I don't know, I don't
Kate: know why I just didn't want to use my last
Kate: name on it and it.
Kate: You know, I had this joke where it's like
Kate: it sounds better than Kate Pollock tracks
Kate: book bollocks.
Kate: But apparently everyone thinks that that's
Kate: a better name.
Bo: It's pretty good.
Kate: But no, I went with Kate Ornju's book
Kate: reviews and I've done all the logos and I'm
Kate: now like four episodes in.
Kate: So it's that one, I'm afraid, guys, but my
Kate: next one maybe I'll say Kate Pollock tracks
Kate: book bollocks.
Kate: But yeah, so you can find that.
Kate: You can find that in pretty much all your
Kate: normal places, but I also have a YouTube
Kate: channel what what?
Kate: Yeah, so it's just Kate Anjou's book
Kate: reviews and, essentially, if you want to
Kate: follow me on socials Facebook, instagram
Kate: and TikTok Instagram and TikTok have little
Kate: full stops between each word, but it's just
Kate: still Kate Ornju's book reviews.
Kate: So go follow me and stuff on there, because
Kate: it's all about promoting and reviewing
Kate: indie books, primarily fantasy and horror,
Kate: although I'm open to most things, but like
Kate: it's, a lot of the indie authors I know are
Kate: in those genres and it's my kind of like
Kate: favorite genre and I also interview the
Kate: authors of the books.
Kate: So yeah, so there's like two little
Kate: episodes where there's one's a review and
Kate: then one's like an interview.
Kate: So I just got off interviewing the lovely
Kate: Seren Farangray who does dark fantasy
Kate: romance.
Kate: So lots of lots of spice, lots of gore,
Kate: lots of demons.
Kate: It's great.
Bo: I think, most importantly, how do I get on
Bo: that show?
Kate: You ought to write a book.
Kate: Have you written a book?
Bo: You've written a book, haven't you, I have
Bo: written a book.
Kate: You haven't.
Kate: You can go on and say it.
Bo: But it's been a long time and it almost
Bo: feels like that would be cheating, although
Bo: I've been you know, the itch has certainly
Bo: been there of late and I think I may do
Bo: that over the summer.
Bo: I think that may be my summer project, just
Bo: to write a novel.
Kate: Okay.
Kate: Well then, yeah, you have to follow me and
Kate: shit, and then, you know, slide up in my
Kate: DMs.
Bo: Sure, that's.
Bo: That's what I'm known for.
Kate: You can just pop me a message and ask me
Kate: like an old person.
Kate: Yeah, yeah.
Bo: Like you ask, you ask my kids.
Bo: They will tell you that I'm pretty much the
Bo: sliding into DMs type.
Kate: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Bo: They're like look, we don't know much,
Bo: we're still, you know, just young people,
Bo: we're just ninth graders.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: But one thing we do know for sure is that
Bo: Mr Randsell is the coolest person.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: That has ever lived 100%.
Kate: I thought they need to know.
Kate: They don't need to know anything else.
Kate: You know information will see them through
Kate: life.
Kate: Okay.
Bo: So I you know I was making fun of myself,
Bo: of course, because my kids think I am an
Bo: old nerd and and rightly so.
Kate: That's.
Kate: That's not a lie, that's a pretty accurate
Kate: representation of me.
Bo: But I did have a genuine, like a moment
Bo: where a kid was genuinely impressed by me
Bo: and, at the end of the day, like you can't
Bo: really give a shit because they're
Bo: teenagers and they don't know anything.
Bo: So like their opinion of you can only
Bo: matter so much, otherwise you're, you're
Bo: fucking finished.
Kate: No, I definitely seek validation from
Kate: teenagers.
Kate: I ain't going to lie.
Bo: I do to an extent, but at but also you have
Bo: to understand that they're fickle.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And so you can't like like a teacher goes
Bo: through that thing that a parent does where
Bo: the the teenager is like too cool for you.
Bo: Yeah, but it happens all the time.
Kate: Like it's just now and she's five.
Bo: And it really sucks because you're like I
Bo: know that you want to hang out and have fun
Bo: and talk, but it would seem like you, you
Bo: would.
Bo: You would seem unusual to do so.
Bo: But the point being is that I'm at my desk
Bo: today and a couple of the kids are doing
Bo: some, some other shit nearby, like drawing
Bo: on the dry race board and stuff, and
Bo: because you know I don't actually teach
Bo: anything, I'm just like, look, I'm just
Bo: keeping you off the streets for 45 minutes,
Bo: that we had had a lot of testing today and
Bo: blah, blah, blah.
Bo: So we weren't like it wasn't a regular
Bo: class.
Bo: But one of the kids mentioned one of the
Bo: girls, I will say for the time being and
Bo: for the sake of argument in my class who
Bo: recently came to me and was like hey, I
Bo: want you to call me this other name because
Bo: I'm kind of going through a journey right
Bo: now and I was like oh, okay.
Bo: Fucking whatever sounds great.
Bo: I hope it's.
Bo: I hope it's bringing you happiness and
Bo: peace.
Kate: Fuck yeah.
Bo: And so you know, I've been calling her by
Bo: that name for I don't know, you know if you
Bo: weeks now and she wasn't there today.
Bo: But one of the other, one of her friends,
Bo: was talking about about her and was like,
Bo: oh yeah, they're not here today and and use,
Bo: you know the new name, and so forth.
Bo: And I was like, oh yeah, I've been meaning
Bo: to ask about this because I suspected that
Bo: this was the case.
Bo: But is she now like, is she identifying as
Bo: non binary?
Bo: And they were like, yeah, you know, at this
Bo: point they preferred their pronouns to be
Bo: they, them, they, them.
Bo: And I was like, okay, got it.
Bo: I didn't.
Bo: I felt awkward about asking them directly,
Bo: but now I know that and I got it, okay,
Bo: registered, and it one of the kids like
Bo: genuinely was taken aback by it and was
Bo: like so, like you don't care.
Bo: And I was like no, no, no, whatever, you
Bo: know, whatever makes them happy, then
Bo: that's what, that's what we'll do, like,
Bo: it's not my position to tell them one way
Bo: or another.
Bo: You know what their pronouns are, that's
Bo: their business.
Bo: And, and they're like so many of the other
Bo: teachers were like Well, that's not what it
Bo: says on your, your file, or whatever.
Kate: And I was like oh, that fucking sucks.
Bo: But it's also Tennessee and I get it.
Bo: And but I had.
Bo: But it was a nice month where like a kid
Bo: was like, oh okay, so not like I'm a cool
Bo: teacher, but of like, oh okay, you're a
Bo: decent person.
Kate: Yeah, there's a respect.
Bo: Right, yeah, it really was a nice moment of
Bo: like oh, okay, so we're safe with you about
Bo: this stuff.
Kate: Okay, good, that's so important for kids to
Kate: feel that way about their teachers, Like
Kate: it's more in fact, I would say it's more
Kate: important than the educational side of
Kate: things like, at least in terms of a child's
Kate: wellbeing is just to feel like that they
Kate: have that safe space, that there is someone
Kate: in like outside of the family, that they
Kate: can trust and talk to when they maybe don't
Kate: want to talk to their family.
Kate: Cause, even if you have the best
Kate: relationship with your parents, there's
Kate: still something you don't really want to
Kate: talk about with them, especially at that
Kate: age.
Kate: So the fact that you know you, you've
Kate: displayed the type of person that you know
Kate: they can, they can trust with that kind of
Kate: stuff and know that they're going to be
Kate: respected that's so fucking huge.
Kate: Like, yeah, like that's so fucking huge,
Kate: that's awesome.
Bo: Yeah, I mean, look I, that's bare minimum
Bo: shit, right, no it?
Kate: absolutely is, but unfortunately we live in
Kate: a world where bare minimum isn't even being
Kate: met.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: So half the time.
Kate: So you know, a little goes a long way.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, and you know what?
Bo: What you said is true.
Bo: I think that, more than like all the
Bo: grammar and shit that I try to teach these
Bo: kids To varying degrees of success, but
Bo: beyond that, it really is just about like,
Bo: hey, here's how you be.
Bo: Like, just not an asshole, yeah.
Bo: You know, like right now, you're at your
Bo: ninth grader, you're a freshman in high
Bo: school and you're an asshole, and that's
Bo: not entirely your fault.
Bo: Like that's hormones and so forth.
Bo: Like there is a reason that, yeah, like
Bo: there, there is a reason that you know,
Bo: these kids are assholes for the most part.
Bo: Some are, but, but most of them are you
Bo: know, but it's that's just, that's fucking
Bo: how it goes.
Bo: Yeah, hey, enough of this bullshit, though.
Bo: We've got important stuff to talk about,
Bo: and namely, we have got to talk about these
Bo: documentaries.
Kate: Oh yeah, that you have seen because.
Kate: Okay, so I've heard we you mentioned that
Kate: you'd spoke.
Kate: We spoke about that in the episode.
Bo: Yes, yes, yes.
Kate: And I have since caught up and we're
Kate: talking about escaping twin flames.
Kate: That's right.
Kate: Oh fuck, like fuck.
Kate: For those who haven't seen it, it's this,
Kate: basically, it's this, this, these love
Kate: quote.
Kate: unquote self love gurus that will guarantee
Kate: that they will find your twin flame.
Kate: For you, if you complete these courses, pay
Kate: all this money, do all this shit, you will
Kate: find your twin flame, which is essentially
Kate: like.
Kate: It's almost like a fate.
Kate: You're fated to be together.
Kate: You're the most perfect person.
Kate: You reach others halves.
Kate: You compliment each other completely
Kate: perfectly.
Kate: They're the perfect person, lover,
Kate: companion.
Kate: Everything for you, right.
Kate: Right.
Kate: So that's your goal?
Kate: Okay, but you have to pay all this out and
Kate: you have to do this and you have to do this,
Kate: oh, and if that's not enough, we're going
Kate: to completely dictate all of your fucking
Kate: behavior and, on top of that, if you're not
Kate: the gender we want you to be, we're going
Kate: to make you change it.
Kate: That's what you were saying Fucking are
Kate: just, it's just the most backwards, fucking
Kate: like it's so weird because it's it's so,
Kate: it's so backwards because it's.
Kate: They come across as though, hey, we're pro,
Kate: we're pro, you know, sexual identity and
Kate: diversity and stuff, and we're pro this and
Kate: pro that as long as it's within our rules,
Kate: which is so the opposite of what gender is.
Kate: Gender is about freedom, the way that you
Kate: feel inside yourself.
Kate: It is not about what someone tells you you
Kate: are and that's it.
Kate: And people have gone through fucking top
Kate: surgery and shit to achieve these standards
Kate: that these fucking people who are in charge
Kate: have set, and they have brainwashed them to
Kate: fucking think that they are trying.
Kate: Maybe some of them are I'm not going to say
Kate: that they're not and maybe this journey has
Kate: helped them realize a little like help them
Kate: be more authentic to themselves.
Kate: But I can guarantee you a fucking ton of
Kate: them are not.
Kate: And then, on top of that, they isolate you
Kate: from your family, they take all your money,
Kate: they make you completely dependent on them.
Kate: So, even if you don't like what's being
Kate: done, you can't leave.
Kate: Oh, it's the most, and they are the most
Kate: and he is the most, and you just want to
Kate: fucking fucking punch a stupid fucking grin
Kate: and face in yeah, it's take over by.
Kate: It's making me angry.
Bo: It's fucking crazy.
Bo: And so there are two documentaries there's
Bo: one on Netflix, one on Amazon.
Bo: I prefer, I like the style, I think, of the
Bo: Netflix one, but I like the content of the
Bo: Amazon one more, because the Amazon one is
Bo: the one that gets into like we're going to
Bo: go to their house and we're going to hang
Bo: out with them a little bit, and that's kind
Bo: of the stuff that I want to see is like,
Bo: because in the Netflix doc you never get
Bo: the moment of oh, they have some of the
Bo: members of the cult living there with them.
Kate: No, I think both.
Kate: I think you get different things, so I
Kate: would say watch both.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, but yeah,
Kate: because in the next one they didn't say
Kate: about them actually living with them and
Kate: things, and yeah, it's, and they focus,
Kate: they focus a lot more on like the victims
Kate: in terms of like each step of the program
Kate: and how they manipulate the members to then
Kate: be perpetrators as well.
Kate: And you know, and the transgender forcing,
Kate: like the, you know the gender reassignment
Kate: forcing and things like that.
Kate: And then, but then in the Amazon one, as
Kate: you say, yeah, we have this, the journalist.
Kate: Fuck a comment for a name now.
Bo: Yeah, I don't remember either.
Kate: But yeah, and then she's doing this article
Kate: for Vanity Fair and she goes to their house
Kate: and she sees all this black shit crazy.
Kate: And we also get like interviews with like
Kate: their family members and old friends and
Kate: things.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Her dad is heartbreaking.
Bo: Yeah, man, the thing that's really really
Bo: like moving about the documentaries and and
Bo: they're, I mean, fairly salacious like to
Bo: call them moving is probably overstating a
Bo: little bit, but it is really interesting
Bo: and and getting into like like where
Bo: they're making their money and what they're
Bo: spending their money on and like I just
Bo: kind of dug all that stuff.
Bo: And so yeah, so I've really had a good time
Bo: With both of those documentaries and
Bo: digging into like cult leader stuff, like I
Bo: love a good cult leader and this is all 100
Bo: percent that kind of stuff.
Kate: Oh it's, it's that shit, it's so.
Kate: They're so manipulative and like you know
Kate: you see footage in there like really just
Kate: emotionally and mentally abusing these
Kate: people and like verbally abusing these
Kate: people.
Kate: It's just, it's just crazy, like how
Kate: someone can be so stripped of their
Kate: identities, their self worth, their you
Kate: know, their dignity, and then not only that,
Kate: but they pay for the fucking privilege.
Kate: It's just oh.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, that's real fucked up and yeah
Bo: and it's.
Bo: It's.
Bo: The thing that I always love about cult
Bo: stories is the psychology of both the cult
Bo: leaders and the people that buy into the
Bo: shit, and I think especially the the Amazon
Bo: one.
Bo: That's kind of the stuff that I get more
Bo: from.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And that's why I?
Bo: You know, I don't know if I recommended it
Bo: to you this way or you just did it this way,
Bo: but you said that you watch the Netflix doc
Bo: and then the Amazon doc.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And I think that's the way to do it.
Kate: Yeah, I always agree because I think that
Kate: you kind of it's it's kind of like working
Kate: from the ground up, isn't it?
Kate: Because you see how people get involved
Kate: with it in the Netflix one and how certain
Kate: you know people rise up the ranks and
Kate: things that then, like with the Amazon one,
Kate: you then see like the top of the food chain
Kate: thing with Shalia and oh my God, I forgot
Kate: his name.
Bo: Yeah, it's been enough time since I've seen
Bo: it.
Bo: I don't remember, but I mean, let's just
Bo: call him Nico, because he seems like a Nico.
Kate: No offense to other Nicos.
Bo: Sure, no offense, but also a little bit of
Bo: offense, because A little bit.
Kate: If you're a Nico, you know what you did.
Bo: Yeah, oh, you are well aware.
Kate: You know who you are.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, you know what's up, yeah, but
Bo: yeah, yeah.
Bo: So yeah, I would recommend watching him in
Bo: that order.
Bo: But yeah, I mean, you know we talk about
Bo: relationships and stuff all the time and
Bo: the fact that they they swindle people by,
Bo: like I can get you this thing that you're
Bo: searching for, that you think is going to
Bo: be this thing that you know fulfills you.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: But you know, like you said, you got, you
Bo: got to pay your way, and it ends up being
Bo: like just real fucked up.
Kate: Yeah, and you can't pay your way, that's
Kate: okay, because you can work for us for
Kate: nothing.
Bo: Right, right Right.
Kate: And that's how you can pay.
Kate: Your way is you can just work for us, but
Kate: we won't pay you, but you'll spend every
Kate: single waking second of your time doing
Kate: this job.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: It's absolutely crazy.
Kate: And then like, and also as well, what like
Kate: blows my mind is how they're completely
Kate: showcasing showbone, all of the stuff that
Kate: they are now getting, like you know, the
Kate: driving Ferraris live in this like really
Kate: big house and like they're like
Kate: millionaires and stuff and everyone's good
Kate: and they're.
Kate: And they're spinning it as though like hey,
Kate: we came from nothing and now we're here
Kate: because I found my, we found each other and
Kate: we can.
Kate: We're now basically all powerful and I'll
Kate: get to that more in a minute.
Kate: And then they say and then they're using it
Kate: as this like success stories, like, but you
Kate: know, but like how are you not putting
Kate: together that it's the money that you're
Kate: paying for this bullshit is paying for all
Kate: of this stuff and you are miserable and
Kate: they are fucking living the life of luxury
Kate: because of your fucking money, like.
Kate: And then when they turn, when they turn
Kate: around the Netflix documentary, and then he
Kate: turns around, he says basically I'm the
Kate: second coming, yeah, look at the picture of
Kate: Jesus.
Kate: And then look at me, we're the same person.
Kate: And he genuinely seems to believe it.
Kate: And they say they've got this like special
Kate: communication with God and how God speaks
Kate: to them and says that it's just literally,
Kate: even, even, even if I were religious, like
Kate: the fact that I'm not religious in that way,
Kate: like I don't believe in in like a God like
Kate: that, like at all, but like you know, I'm
Kate: finding it outlandish, but like if I were
Kate: religious I I'd be so offended.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, sure, and these people who are
Kate: religious and stuff are in this, in this
Kate: cult, you know, because it's a cult, they
Kate: were going, yeah, you know, and oh, and, if
Kate: you dare speak out and all the whole thing
Kate: about like, oh, if you don't find your twin
Kate: flame, you must be fucking miserable.
Kate: And it's one person Actually.
Kate: No, I'm pretty happy I've got a good done
Kate: that.
Kate: No, you're miserable.
Kate: Yeah, all right, buddy.
Bo: Right, right, right.
Bo: Yeah, I'm fine.
Bo: No, you're not.
Bo: We'll tell you if you're fine or not.
Bo: And well, that goes along with the gender
Bo: stuff that you were talking about, where
Bo: they're just like and you've now got
Bo: masculine energy.
Bo: Therefore, you're now the man in the
Bo: relationship and that's how you're going to
Bo: live and you're going to go by a man's name.
Bo: And I mean, yeah, and it's just, it's
Bo: fucking nuts.
Kate: It's I I mean, I've watched a fair few cult
Kate: documentaries and stuff.
Kate: I've never seen this kind of thing before.
Kate: Like this is another level of just insamay.
Kate: And like they're still.
Kate: I went on their website.
Kate: I have morbid curiosity.
Kate: And it's all functioning, you can still pay,
Kate: you can still sign up for a free trial.
Kate: And then I'm like what?
Kate: And the fact that they said that there was
Kate: no, they found no, the police investigating,
Kate: they said that there was no criminal stuff
Kate: going on.
Kate: I'm like are you, are you high?
Kate: Like what?
Kate: But then they did apparently refer on to
Kate: the FBI.
Kate: So you know, we'll see.
Bo: Yeah, I mean that, and it also feels like
Bo: the word is out right, like you would have
Bo: to still be in that cult to like think that
Bo: being in that cult was OK.
Kate: Yeah, and like the Vanity Fair article,
Kate: apparently like after reading that, a lot
Kate: of people left, didn't they?
Kate: They said in the Amazon documentary, yeah,
Kate: they said like a bunch of people dropped
Kate: out after that because it kind of like
Kate: pulled the wall from their eyes.
Kate: But yeah, there are still thousands and
Kate: thousands of people all over the world part
Kate: of this universe.
Bo: Well, universe feels yeah.
Kate: It's, I'm using their word.
Kate: Yeah, and universe.
Kate: I'm not like giving them additional
Kate: gravitas.
Bo: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's just, it's just.
Bo: I mean I'm continually like amazed and
Bo: surprised and fascinated by that kind of,
Bo: you know, brazenness, because you have to
Bo: be pretty bold to be like, hey, you need to
Bo: change genders, like you have to be feeling
Bo: yourself in a way that is beyond my kin,
Bo: like I've never been that confident about
Bo: anything in my whole life.
Kate: That's not confidence, that's fucking
Kate: arrogance and narcissism.
Kate: That is.
Bo: No, well sure, yes, you're right, you're
Bo: right.
Kate: But yeah, go check it out there everyone,
Kate: it's really great.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bo: Documentaries.
Bo: Sure, yeah, if you haven't seen it, you
Bo: absolutely should.
Bo: Yeah, it's, it's really, really fun.
Bo: Okay, so that's you know, our recap on love
Bo: cult documentaries, a new segment that we
Bo: have yet to title.
Bo: But in the meantime, what about?
Bo: Do we have some some ghostly slash alien
Bo: fuckery to?
Kate: get into.
Kate: Well, we actually have gone like a slightly
Kate: different route which, I excuse me, sorry,
Kate: I messaged you about and it was just, it
Kate: was just batch it enough for it to be
Kate: something that we want to do.
Kate: Why is my phone not opening?
Kate: Oh my God, yeah.
Bo: Yeah and right, like we have.
Bo: I was talking to Duncan about this, that we
Bo: have kind of moved on from just ghostly
Bo: dating to just straight up like hey, what
Bo: kind of weird shit are you fucking?
Kate: Yeah, I mean it could be the new segment
Kate: name of just like instead of you should be
Kate: fucking, you shouldn't be fucking right.
Bo: Right, you're flying in the face of all
Bo: wisdom from Doug and a bow come correct.
Bo: Yeah, sometimes, sometimes, maybe you
Bo: shouldn't be fucking maybe sometimes you
Bo: shouldn't be fucking.
Kate: Yeah, I mean, I will come back to ghost,
Kate: because there is still like a plethora of
Kate: of articles and whatnot out there, but
Kate: these ones, this one just I saw it just on
Kate: by chance on my Instagram feed and I was
Kate: like what?
Kate: So?
Kate: Meet Spanish artist Alicia fromis, the
Kate: first woman to marry a hologram.
Kate: Naturally marriage it right here.
Kate: So the multi discipline.
Kate: And Liz was a heart the multi disciplinary
Kate: artists from Barcelona.
Kate: Alicia fromis will be the first woman to
Kate: marry a hologram generated by AI in a
Kate: ceremony that will take place this summer.
Kate: When was this article written?
Kate: Oh, recently.
Kate: Okay, so you're saying, there's still a
Kate: chance at the depot boymans van runing in
Kate: museum in Rotterdam.
Kate: That's probably not how it's pronounced.
Kate: Apology.
Bo: It's probably perfect.
Bo: That's probably the move.
Kate: So right, let me just Okay.
Kate: This description may not fit the ideal
Kate: relationship for many, but it embodies a
Kate: love from an alternative dimension.
Kate: Spanish artist Alicia fromis will have the
Kate: curious honor of being the first woman to
Kate: say I do to a virtual partner a
Kate: sophisticated hologram of her own design,
Kate: tailored to satisfy all of her emotional
Kate: needs I am sure not just emotional, if
Kate: she's catered it to herself.
Kate: Well, how does that work?
Kate: Anyway, though currently categorized as a
Kate: performance, that artist's depiction
Kate: reflects a scenario that could seem to be
Kate: off fucking.
Kate: She's not even fucking, actually.
Kate: Maybe I'll go back to one.
Kate: Okay, I'll read on.
Kate: With this project, fromis aims to reflect
Kate: on the interactions between humans,
Kate: artificial intelligence and contemporary
Kate: art.
Kate: The artist has advanced some of the details
Kate: of her relationship with the holographic
Kate: image.
Kate: Called for fuck's sake, so I'm not sure how
Kate: it's pronounced, but it's like a Ilex, but
Kate: like Alex.
Bo: Oh, okay, I got you Like.
Kate: Ilex and something like that.
Kate: Which she created from profile oh this is
Kate: fucked which she created from profiles of
Kate: her past relationships.
Bo: Oh no, oh no.
Kate: Okay, cool this.
Kate: I'm glad I continued Because the one I sent
Kate: you was very like a limited article, so I
Kate: sort of like looked up quickly before we
Kate: got on here.
Kate: But I just read this through properly
Kate: Framers is currently designing her wedding
Kate: dress and determining the attire of those
Kate: attending the ceremony, which will take
Kate: place this summer, of the roof of the
Kate: museum in Rotterdam.
Kate: Also, together with the LAM museum or LAM
Kate: museum, the Dutch food art museum, framers
Kate: is working to create molecule.
Kate: You say about me being bookish and reading,
Kate: and I can't fucking say.
Bo: So far, so good.
Kate: Molecular food for their wedding banquet
Kate: that both humans and humanoids can enjoy.
Kate: I want to make an artistic documentary that
Kate: includes drawings, interviews with other
Kate: women, sketches about bodies, arms,
Kate: romantic dreams, domestic situations in the
Kate: daily life of my partner.
Kate: I want to explore how to integrate the
Kate: hologram into my daily life as proof of
Kate: their relationship and coexistence.
Kate: Framers shares videos and photographs on
Kate: her Instagram account in which she appears
Kate: with her partner, alex, sharing everyday
Kate: tasks such as cooking and dining, love and
Kate: sex with robots, and holograms are an
Kate: inevitable reality.
Kate: They are great companions and capable of
Kate: expressing empathy.
Kate: Just as phones saved us from loneliness,
Kate: did it, did it and filled the void in our
Kate: life.
Kate: Did it, though?
Kate: Did they yeah?
Bo: I think there is a lot of scientific
Bo: evidence to the contrary on this one, but
Bo: go on.
Kate: Holograms as interactive presences in our
Kate: homes can take it even further.
Kate: Oh my God.
Kate: The artist is also exploring the
Kate: possibility of creating the first mortgage
Kate: to purchase with a holographic companion,
Kate: as well as a house designed specifically
Kate: for a hologram and a human being.
Bo: That sounds expensive.
Kate: Yeah, they're not going to work love.
Kate: They don't have a paycheck.
Kate: How are you okay?
Kate: A new generation this is a quote a new
Kate: generation of lovers emerging, whether we
Kate: like it or not, in which humans will marry
Kate: and maintain relationships with holograms,
Kate: avatars, robots and so on.
Kate: Just as we practice new languages with
Kate: Duolingo, we will practice relationships
Kate: with these entities.
Kate: That's not the same, yeah, yeah, yeah that
Kate: learning from a computer is not the same as
Kate: having a relationship with one.
Kate: And also, as well, like a new generation of
Kate: lovers emerging where you're the first
Kate: person to do this love.
Kate: I don't think anyone else is doing this.
Kate: I mean, you know, having an evening with
Kate: your fleshlight is one thing.
Kate: Go on.
Kate: Marrying a hologram.
Kate: Oh my God is Krieger.
Bo: Krieger oh yeah from Archer.
Bo: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's got his waifu.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Kate: Oh my gosh.
Bo: Yes, you're absolutely right.
Kate: God, okay.
Kate: Framasus dedicated her artistic career to
Kate: bringing science and art together to
Kate: cultivate meaningful relationships,
Kate: offering support to people facing illness.
Kate: Don't make it.
Kate: Don't make it philanthropic, like offering
Kate: support to people facing illness,
Kate: disability, gender imbalance or traumatic
Kate: experiences.
Kate: I'll see.
Kate: Now I feel bad.
Kate: Okay, fine, this is kind of sweet, I guess.
Kate: The latest performance project, a
Kate: performative project, is also conceived as
Kate: a therapeutic tool for those who have
Kate: suffered trauma abuse, as well as those
Kate: facing the loss of a loved one.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, I can't get that, I suppose,
Kate: but it's still kind of weird though.
Bo: To an extent, right like the therapeutic
Bo: side of it.
Bo: I can kind of see but, it like it doesn't
Bo: sound like she is doing this purely as like
Bo: a way to call attention to this.
Bo: You know like need to, you know like, hey,
Bo: we've got to make sure that everybody has
Bo: an opportunity to love and feel
Bo: companionship.
Bo: And also I'm going to do it in the weirdest
Bo: possible way.
Kate: And yeah, and also like incorporate all the
Kate: personalities of my exes.
Kate: Can you imagine?
Kate: Surely there's some sort of infringement
Kate: there.
Bo: Not only that, like there's a reason,
Bo: they're your exes.
Bo: Why are you pulling from failed
Bo: relationships?
Kate: Like I, just that part is fucking weird.
Kate: So last bit, this is not from a
Kate: pharmacist's first experience incorporating
Kate: non-human elements into her art.
Kate: In 1996, she became the first artist to
Kate: coexist with a mannequin named Pierre.
Kate: The resulting work, Cinema Solo, was
Kate: composed of 36 photographs and a dialogue
Kate: between Frommis and the mannequin, inspired
Kate: by Marguerite Duras's book La Maladie de la
Kate: Motte.
Kate: Hmm, okay.
Kate: So I think I know why her and her exes are
Kate: exes, and I'm not going to point fingers,
Kate: but I'm pretty sure it's her.
Bo: Yeah, almost certainly.
Bo: Yeah, allegedly yeah.
Bo: I mean like all of this reminds me of a
Bo: woman I dated years ago who was a poet.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And it was awesome that she was a poet,
Bo: until the poet side really came out and it
Bo: was like, oh, you're just also a crazy
Bo: person.
Kate: Got it.
Bo: Okay.
Kate: How was she crazy?
Bo: She was very anti-vax, which was a problem,
Bo: and left out a lot of important details
Bo: about her life.
Bo: Like I think she might have been an escort
Bo: to some degree while she was dating it.
Bo: Yeah, well, we did not date that long.
Bo: Yeah, okay, but maybe, like it was just a
Bo: real weird kind of situation that I never
Bo: fully got a great read on.
Bo: And all of it was just like.
Bo: Your life sounds very complicated and I
Bo: don't think you need me.
Bo: Yeah, yeah.
Kate: Yeah, you got some stuff going on before
Kate: you really need to be in the dating pool,
Kate: right.
Bo: There was just a lot of moving parts and
Bo: I'm not sure exactly like what the whole
Bo: situation was.
Kate: Anyway, like.
Bo: I know we are being very like, upfront and
Bo: honest, but this is one of those stories
Bo: that is really completely unsatisfying,
Bo: because I don't have a lot of details, just
Bo: a lot of hunches.
Bo: Okay, based on things like you know, when
Bo: we started dating, she was like, well, I'm
Bo: still seeing other people.
Bo: I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
Bo: I mean we're not.
Bo: We've gone out for you know a couple of
Bo: times and that's not a big deal.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: But then it was like yeah, so you know,
Bo: I've got to go get this dress because I'm
Bo: dating this guy, but he's married and I'm
Bo: like huh that sounds.
Kate: That's a red flag, isn't it?
Bo: Right, it sounds like a real rough
Bo: situation.
Kate: It's not an E and M situation, like the wife
Kate: presumably doesn't know about it, so yeah.
Bo: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: It was.
Bo: It was not good, but like I never knew
Bo: anything specifically about all that was
Bo: going on, but I knew that it was messy
Bo: enough that I wanted no part of it.
Kate: Yeah, definitely.
Bo: Yeah.
Kate: She's the woman that they sing about in her
Kate: unholy, you know, by Sam Smith.
Bo: Yeah, exactly, yeah, okay, so, yeah, yeah.
Bo: So, dating a hologram?
Bo: I don't know.
Bo: I mean, what's the sex like Do you think is
Bo: it is that?
Kate: all pre-programmed as well you would think
Kate: Well, I mean, it's a hologram, so I can't
Kate: imagine there's much penetration going on
Kate: or any kind of physical I mean, unless,
Kate: like she gets, maybe she, maybe she puts
Kate: Pierre the mannequin with him and
Kate: superimposes the hologram onto his face,
Kate: puts a strap on on and goes to something.
Kate: Town, I can't go to Happy Town.
Bo: Happy Town, yeah, like yeah it you would
Bo: almost want to do.
Bo: Have you ever seen those things where it's
Bo: like a Twitch plays a video game, where
Bo: it's audience members selecting inputs for
Bo: a controller, so playing a video game by
Bo: community?
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Okay, so what if you did that with the sex
Bo: toys?
Bo: So it's just like hey, it's time for Sexy
Bo: Town with my hologram.
Bo: I'm just going to throw it up on, you know
Bo: Instagram or whatever, and if people
Bo: respond, with a heart then it goes to this
Bo: speed and you know an eggplant is this
Bo: speed or whatever the fuck?
Kate: Yeah, although I mean God.
Kate: That's a really great way to make money on
Kate: only fans, though I bet.
Bo: Oh, you would think.
Kate: Maybe she's on something.
Bo: Yeah, I had to.
Bo: I asked Duncan a very dumb only fans
Bo: question recently.
Kate: Why did you ask?
Bo: Well, because I was like is it just fucking
Bo: on, only fans?
Kate: No.
Bo: And yeah, and so that's what I've since
Bo: learned.
Kate: How does Duncan know?
Bo: Duncan has an only fans.
Kate: I'm sure he does.
Bo: You know, he was a panda.
Kate: No, I respect Duncan way too much.
Bo: It's the big blue.
Bo: Is the big blue Because you know the pride
Bo: of Scotland.
Kate: Yeah, I got it yeah.
Kate: And yeah did you know that the Scottish
Kate: National Animals, or like whatever mascot,
Kate: is a unicorn, so using that horn for some
Kate: good.
Bo: I, you know, I did know that, and that's
Bo: still the craziest fucking thing.
Kate: Like I don't think you should be allowed
Kate: Dragon.
Bo: I just don't think you should be allowed to
Bo: have magical animals on to represent.
Kate: Stupid lion.
Bo: At least it's real.
Bo: I can go to a zoo and see a lion.
Bo: I have to go to like a two bit circus to
Bo: see a unicorn and then it's not real, so
Bo: that's unfortunate, to say the least.
Kate: I quite like that is a unicorn.
Bo: It's.
Bo: Look, I get it, but I don't know.
Bo: Like I had one of the kids today as we.
Bo: What I did like about monarchies.
Kate: Where's it began.
Bo: Yeah, and I was like because they're stupid.
Kate: What's why?
Bo: Why would you ever let anyone run your
Bo: country by virtue of what vagina they came
Bo: out of?
Kate: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Kate: They really run much in this monarchy
Kate: anyway.
Kate: But yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's a totally
Kate: pointless archaic institute.
Kate: It's just stupid.
Kate: It's so stupid.
Bo: Yeah, well, you guys have, you know, the
Bo: constitutional monarchy, which you know
Bo: obviously the way to go.
Kate: Yeah, I mean they don't have any real input,
Kate: yeah, which is quite good.
Kate: At least as far as I know, I don't think
Kate: they do.
Kate: So that's one thing, I suppose.
Kate: But then look who we do have in charge.
Kate: So you know, it's six of one and half dozen
Kate: of the other, sure.
Bo: Yeah, look, neri, a perfect world to be
Bo: found, like you know, you see what's going
Bo: on over here in this country, and I mean
Bo: yeah it's a fucking nightmare.
Kate: Yep.
Bo: Right, it's a.
Bo: One choice is bad and the other is
Bo: catastrophic.
Bo: So you do the math, yeah.
Kate: I don't like that math.
Kate: I've never been good at math and I don't
Kate: like what you're, what you're summing up
Kate: there.
Bo: No, it sucks.
Bo: All right, we should.
Bo: We should get around to actually talk about
Bo: this movie, we should, and also okay, so
Bo: we're talking about near dark.
Bo: Catherine Bigelow is near dark, yeah, and I
Bo: get the impression that you either had not
Bo: seen it very much or were not a fan.
Kate: No, I just hadn't seen it Ever.
Kate: No, oh really, I thought I had, but I
Kate: hadn't.
Kate: I was, I think, I don't know what I was
Kate: getting it confused with, but I was getting
Kate: it confused with something, yeah, but no, I
Kate: hadn't seen it because I, when I brought it
Kate: up, you're like yeah, okay, and I was like
Kate: really that that seems like a a tepid
Kate: reaction to near dark.
Kate: Oh no, do you know what it was I was when
Kate: you were messaging me.
Kate: I'd like I had like a million things going
Kate: on and I was just like, yeah, cool, that
Kate: sounds great you know kind of going for
Kate: efficiency.
Kate: Yeah, in that moment yeah, but no, I hadn't,
Kate: I hadn't seen it.
Kate: It had been, as I say, it had been one that
Kate: I thought I had seen.
Kate: I think possibly as well, because I thought
Kate: I'd seen it but I like didn't overly like
Kate: remember.
Kate: I thought I hadn't overly remembered it.
Kate: I was just kind of like yep, okay, cool,
Kate: that sounds good, you know sort of thing,
Kate: but like no, I hadn't seen it.
Kate: But I did really like it.
Kate: It was a very different sort of vampire,
Kate: vampire film on a road trip.
Bo: Exactly.
Bo: And I thought that made it kind of
Bo: interesting, because one of the things that
Bo: I wanted to talk to you about is going on
Bo: trips with you know in quotes loved ones or
Bo: people that you're involved with.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Because that, my friend, is a real weedy
Bo: shrinker, I think is what the scientists
Bo: call it.
Bo: Because it's like that it's.
Bo: It's one of those relationship hurdles
Bo: that's like, okay, this is either going to
Bo: kill it or we're going to get past it.
Bo: Because traveling with someone, it's like
Bo: it's not being intimate.
Bo: It is being intimate, but it's a different
Bo: kind of intimacy.
Bo: It's not just like we're going to fucking
Bo: stuff, but it's like we're going to pack
Bo: together and like lay out our shit together.
Kate: And it's your first kind of like time, of
Kate: basically kind of living with someone, and
Kate: I think as well how people behave at an
Kate: airport shows their true colors.
Bo: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kate: You know, yeah presumably the trip you're
Kate: going is, you know, involves an airport.
Kate: But, like you know, my dad is a nightmare
Kate: in an airport like he.
Kate: Just he's so oblivious and he just wanders
Kate: off.
Kate: Wonders off to what to wear.
Kate: It's wherever it is, the way he's going to
Kate: the gate.
Kate: So he doesn't like he's quite a fast walker
Kate: and he just goes off and he doesn't keep.
Kate: He doesn't let you kind of like keep pace,
Kate: he doesn't.
Kate: He just just he's off and you're like all
Kate: right, cool, I guess I'll.
Kate: I'll see you on the flight then, dad, you
Kate: know like, and he'll just be like, oh, I'll
Kate: just be, let you get through security and
Kate: he'll just be back in a minute.
Kate: And it's just like where's your father?
Kate: Where's he gone?
Kate: What's he do?
Kate: It, you know, and then like, and he gets
Kate: really like irritable about things as well,
Kate: like if the queue is too long, he's like oh,
Kate: what's just ridiculous, that's gone.
Bo: Mom, can you get that that?
Kate: Yeah, like, and you know, and he just oh
Kate: and like, especially like since he's moved
Kate: to Greece.
Kate: My parents live in Greece, they retired out
Kate: there and like, here's this thing, because
Kate: in Greece is perfectly acceptable to do
Kate: this.
Kate: I'm like, yeah, but dad, you're not in
Kate: Greece right now and you just come off as
Kate: asshole.
Kate: If you want someone's attention, like like
Kate: a server or like an assistant, like you
Kate: know, you need some assistance in some sort
Kate: of, like you know, public space clicks
Kate: fingers.
Kate: Oh, I hate that that's.
Bo: That's quite rude, like that it's really
Bo: rude but it's acceptable.
Kate: It's the only way you can do it in Greece,
Kate: because everyone's really loud all the time,
Kate: and so you kind of, you put you know, you
Kate: make eye contact, you click at them and
Kate: like it's the most just, you want the whole
Kate: world to cave in over you when he does that?
Kate: Because, like you can see, on whoever he's
Kate: clicking out face, like yeah, Okay, and I'm
Kate: like, I'm so sorry he doesn't understand,
Kate: he's not from around here, you know, like
Kate: he was?
Bo: he was kicked by a goat.
Kate: Yeah, and I'm just like dad, you can't
Kate: fucking do that and it's all right.
Kate: I'm like, dude, it's fucking not all right.
Kate: It's not fucking all right.
Kate: You know, like and he doesn't mean it in a
Kate: horrible way, it's just he's lived there
Kate: for the last like 12 years and it's just
Kate: now.
Kate: That's just what he does.
Kate: So like it's things like that.
Kate: So like my, my dad's, just basic.
Kate: My dad is a lovely bloke.
Kate: I don't want to, like you know, slag him
Kate: off too much, but like when he, when he has
Kate: a sort of thing in mind, like he kind of
Kate: forgets about all the other people around
Kate: him, and he's just like, right, that's that.
Kate: I wouldn't do that, I'm like that.
Kate: And he doesn't really communicate or let
Kate: you know where he is or what he's doing.
Kate: He just walks off.
Kate: It's just like, for fuck's sake.
Kate: So, yeah, that's my dad.
Kate: So like when, yeah, when we've like gone on
Kate: holiday and things me and my mom have, like
Kate: when I was, especially when I was like
Kate: younger and stuff, I don't really holiday
Kate: with my parents so much anymore.
Kate: Well, I do, actually it's all I do because
Kate: I go over and visit them, but like I don't
Kate: go on holiday with them so much anymore.
Kate: But like it'd be me and my mom and we'll
Kate: just be like, right, we'll keep hold of our
Kate: bags, we're keeping hold of our passport.
Kate: Your dad can do what the fuck he wants.
Kate: We're going to go and get some food.
Kate: It'd just be one of those.
Kate: But yeah, I feel like when you're with
Kate: someone, especially when it's like in a
Kate: relationship and and especially if it's
Kate: like the first time you're going away with
Kate: them, it's like you see everything because
Kate: presumably you haven't moved in yet and you
Kate: know, so you're.
Kate: You know you're sharing a bathroom, you're
Kate: with them all the time.
Kate: You're.
Kate: You know, even if it isn't a very idyllic
Kate: kind of like, you know environment, you're
Kate: hot, you're in a like, you know you might
Kate: be.
Kate: Well, presumably you're hot, like in
Kate: England we always go to hot places because
Kate: it's always so cold here.
Kate: You know, generally speaking, it's hot and
Kate: like you've been traveling and you've, you
Kate: know, in an unknown country and you know,
Kate: even though you are relaxing, stressors can
Kate: be a little bit higher and things.
Kate: So yeah, it's.
Kate: It's an interesting experience for sure.
Kate: Have you been on many holidays with, like,
Kate: loved ones, partners and such?
Bo: Yeah, like as you were talking, I had such
Bo: a wash of memories.
Bo: One is I don't think my parents ever went
Bo: on vacation together.
Kate: Really.
Bo: Yeah, as I'm thinking about it now, I don't
Bo: think they ever did.
Kate: So they were just vacation like separately.
Bo: No, they just.
Bo: I don't think they ever went on vacation.
Kate: Huh, do you not do that so much in America?
Bo: No, we do, they just didn't.
Kate: Oh, they didn't.
Bo: Because when but like we took vacations as
Bo: kids, we would go with my grandparents all
Bo: over the place, so like we would go to like
Bo: Disney World and the mountains and all
Bo: kinds of stuff.
Bo: But now that I'm thinking about, I'm like,
Bo: oh yeah, we always did that when I was a
Bo: kid with my grandparents.
Bo: My parents actually never win anywhere.
Bo: Huh, that's weird.
Kate: My parents, we used to go away every year.
Kate: Every summer we'd go away.
Kate: We would go to the south of France or we
Kate: would go to like later on we then went to
Kate: Greece and then that's when my parents
Kate: decided they wanted us to move there.
Kate: Occasionally my granddad when I was younger
Kate: he'd come to the south of France with us,
Kate: and every now and then my nan has come away
Kate: with us.
Kate: But I wouldn't be going away with my
Kate: grandparents, and that's my mom's side.
Kate: My dad's parents never they'd fucking
Kate: barely left the house because they were
Kate: just old and hermity.
Kate: But yeah, I always went away with my folks.
Bo: Well, so that was one thing that came up.
Bo: The other is this and I may have told this
Bo: story before, but I'll keep this short the
Bo: one time and I've gone, like I've traveled
Bo: with a number of people that I've dated
Bo: over the years and in some cases it was
Bo: great Actually.
Bo: So let me start here Maybe the best trip
Bo: that I ever had with somebody that I was
Bo: involved with, but we'd been dating a while
Bo: before we went on the trip and we went to
Bo: New York and yeah, it was really fun.
Bo: Like she had to go for a conference and so
Bo: I met her like a day after she got there
Bo: and then we just spent the weekend in New
Bo: York and it was a great time.
Bo: But the thing was, now that I'm thinking
Bo: about it, I'm like I don't know that we
Bo: fucked on that trip.
Bo: I think you know like it was great, we had
Bo: a wonderful time, but I think that we were
Bo: just so fucking tired at the end of every
Bo: day.
Bo: I don't know that we and, like I said, we'd
Bo: been dating long enough that we you know if
Bo: we didn't you were past the rippie shutters,
Bo: close off stage, or something.
Bo: Right, but still it was New York and we
Bo: should have but we didn't because we were
Bo: old and tired.
Bo: But then I've had, like I had another trip
Bo: with and it was real early in the
Bo: relationship and it was just fucking
Bo: disastrous the whole trip.
Bo: It was like a weekend away where we were
Bo: just like gonna go and hang out and it was
Bo: just.
Bo: It was one of those like one thing after
Bo: another of like, oh, this isn't gonna work
Bo: out, and that sucked Like and both of us
Bo: kind of knew it and it was the worst part
Bo: of because we had taken a trip to go.
Bo: We rented a cabin together and like hung
Bo: out and like shop during the day and all
Bo: that kind of fun stuff.
Bo: And on the way back, though, like that car
Bo: was fucking silent.
Bo: That was.
Bo: It was rough because, like neither of us
Bo: really had much to say, we both knew like,
Bo: oh, this is probably gonna be over with.
Kate: And yeah.
Kate: Were you just kind of like sick of each
Kate: other's company by?
Bo: that point it was a combination of like
Bo: sick of each other's company and really
Bo: bummed out that it didn't work out Because,
Bo: like, initially we went into it into that
Bo: weekend.
Bo: I think both of us were like this could be
Bo: something and then by the end of it we were
Bo: like this is absolutely not a thing, but
Bo: it's good, like putting a relationship
Bo: under that kind of pressure.
Bo: You know, it's like putting a coal under
Bo: pressure to see if it forms a diamond or
Bo: just turns into dust.
Bo: And that's how this was like.
Bo: It just became dust.
Bo: But I don't know what about you?
Bo: Have you ever had like a vacation with a
Bo: romantic partner that just went way better
Bo: than anticipated?
Kate: No.
Kate: Yeah as I think about it like.
Bo: I think you can only lose.
Kate: The only.
Kate: I've had two good trips.
Kate: I wouldn't say better than ex-fist
Kate: anticipated, but just as anticipated.
Kate: One of them was the first time I went away
Kate: with a partner and it was actually super
Kate: sweet.
Kate: It was my 21st birthday and we had only
Kate: been dating for about two months and he had
Kate: secretly planned this whole weekend away to
Kate: Paris, booked a four-star hotel, everything
Kate: had arranged with my boss to get me the
Kate: annual leave, so that, like I didn't know
Kate: anything, he told me what weather it might
Kate: be, just so I knew what to pack.
Kate: But like that was it, although, bless him,
Kate: he got too excited and he'd been holding on
Kate: to the secret for like about a month and he
Kate: checked in with all of my friends to hey,
Kate: would Kate like this?
Kate: So they all were keeping the secret.
Kate: He asked my parents whether it would be
Kate: okay because it was my first time away out
Kate: of the country with a partner, and like
Kate: they were, and so everyone knew but me.
Kate: And two days before we were due to go he
Kate: got too excited and he slipped up with
Kate: where we were going.
Kate: Oh no.
Kate: Yeah, but I was so excited, like I actually
Kate: was quite glad, because, like it meant that
Kate: I could hey, I could pack a little bit more
Kate: concisely and also as well.
Kate: I kind of just had that couple of days to
Kate: just build up that excitement.
Kate: He was so pissed off himself, though, but
Kate: we got there and it was a really, really
Kate: wonderful weekend.
Kate: And it was over Valentine's, because my
Kate: birthday's February 10th, and so it was
Kate: over Valentine's weekend, and we had this
Kate: incredible meal on Valentine's Day, which
Kate: was the Saturday, and we went and did all
Kate: the touristy stuff, and it was quite funny
Kate: because we did have sex a lot.
Bo: Nobody likes a braggart.
Kate: Oh well, I'm about to get humbled real
Kate: quick.
Kate: Uh-oh.
Kate: So he, we were having sex and he wanted to
Kate: do the the relatively, I think, optimistic
Kate: thing of pulling out and then getting it
Kate: into my mouth.
Bo: Oh, wow, okay, yeah, that's a pro move.
Kate: Yeah, right, so that's what he wanted to do.
Kate: I was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kate: And then he misses and it shoots up my nose.
Kate: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha, it fucking hurts
Kate: so.
Bo: Really Like how?
Bo: So Certainly I wouldn't think it's state.
Kate: It's like your throat still.
Bo: Oh sure.
Kate: It's not the way that God intended and like
Kate: it.
Kate: Just.
Kate: I was just like, like it's a rush of the
Kate: bathroom and I was like hocking up and
Kate: sneezing and just it was just too much
Kate: fluid in all of all of my fucking sinuses
Kate: and like, and I was just like what the fuck?
Kate: I was like you had one job and like, yeah,
Kate: it was just.
Kate: It was just a bit of a dis I mean, I can
Kate: laugh about it and stuff.
Kate: And the next day we were laughing about it,
Kate: but at the time I was just like that's
Kate: really funny.
Kate: Oh my God, yeah, Like literally, like I and
Kate: I've had it in the eye before and honestly
Kate: I think the nose is worse Like when it
Kate: comes at that velocity as well just kind of.
Kate: Yeah, it's just kind of like the tobacco
Kate: spit, you know, like it just like goes
Kate: through my nose and then like hits off the
Kate: back of my fucking throat somehow, and just
Kate: a whole thing, Like it's just yeah.
Kate: And then I mean like.
Bo: You know who among us has not had that
Bo: moment where you're like okay, what would I
Bo: prefer, come in the nose or come in the eye?
Kate: I feel like you don't grow as a person
Kate: unless you've had that question answered.
Bo: Right Ask and answered yes.
Kate: Yeah, try the narrative and then the other
Kate: one was with the sociopath a couple of
Kate: years ago, and that's all I'll refer to in
Kate: a nutshell, especially as I've started
Kate: dating somebody with the same name.
Kate: So yeah, like I've seen, by the way, said
Kate: to start dating, we've had two dates and
Kate: very, very, very early days, kind of casual,
Kate: but you know.
Bo: I actually, but sounds good, sounds good.
Kate: But yeah, so it sounds good.
Kate: So far it's got lots of green flags, as
Kate: opposed to this guy who was just walking
Kate: red flag.
Kate: But yeah, we went to his parents' caravan
Kate: Cornwall with two of our friends who are
Kate: also a couple.
Kate: There were two bedrooms right next to each
Kate: other and caravan walls are not thick, they
Kate: are essentially a sheet of metal.
Kate: Uh-huh.
Kate: And so you can hear everything.
Kate: And, like the I don't know first or second
Kate: night we were there, we were essentially
Kate: marathoning each other.
Kate: Uh-huh.
Kate: And like they could hear us, we could hear
Kate: them and we were, like you know,
Kate: essentially having a competition about who
Kate: could make the girl come more.
Kate: Uh-huh.
Kate: And then there was a bit where there was a
Kate: bit where, like I was okay, so I was on top.
Kate: Uh-huh.
Kate: I was getting a bit tired, so I hopped off
Kate: and went to give him some head just to give
Kate: myself a little bit of a chill time.
Kate: And apparently all they could hear in the
Kate: other room was the breathing and moaning,
Kate: everything's stopping.
Kate: And then, about two seconds later, all they
Kate: heard was oh, a blowjob.
Kate: Ha, ha, ha ha.
Kate: Oh, delightful.
Kate: Ha, ha ha.
Kate: And then apparently that was just them done,
Kate: because they were just laughing too hard.
Kate: They just couldn't continue and I declared
Kate: us the winner.
Kate: Sure sure.
Kate: And there were loads.
Kate: Oh, there were.
Kate: Yeah, I might.
Kate: Yeah, there were a few things that trip
Kate: Like.
Kate: We came back from a dinner, we were all so
Kate: we drove down in our mate's car and she was
Kate: driving giving her partner a hand job in
Kate: the front seat while the sociopath was
Kate: fingering me in the back seat.
Kate: It was very incestuous and so we got in.
Kate: We quickly departed.
Kate: We thought that they were just going to
Kate: have, they were having like.
Kate: So we were on about oh, when we get back
Kate: we'll play some drinking games or whatever.
Kate: And they went in their bedroom.
Kate: So we were like oh well, ok, if they're
Kate: doing that, then let's.
Kate: We were in the living space, the communal
Kate: space.
Kate: Turns out they weren't doing anything, they
Kate: were just having a bit of a change of
Kate: clothes and freshening up, kind of thing.
Kate: They came out into the living space ready
Kate: to play drinking games, to find the
Kate: sociopath between my legs while I'm sat on
Kate: the sofa.
Kate: I hadn't been wearing underwear at all that
Kate: night, by the way, sure.
Kate: So, because ofs and so he was going down on
Kate: me.
Kate: He hops up and I'm like oh shit, and I'm
Kate: still sat down and a couple of seconds goes
Kate: by and the other guy turns around and I was
Kate: like Kate's forgotten, she's not wearing
Kate: underwear.
Kate: I was like oh shit.
Kate: I just quickly closed my legs Because I was
Kate: wearing a skirt and he was kind of like,
Kate: but it was a short skirt.
Bo: Sure sure.
Kate: Yeah, and he was like, yeah, kate's
Kate: forgotten that she's not wearing underwear.
Kate: And I was like, oh fuck.
Kate: So that's quite funny.
Kate: That's something that we still bring up now
Kate: because I'm still friends with the other
Kate: two.
Kate: So, yeah, it's just like yeah, well, you
Kate: know.
Bo: I mean I like as far as sex on trips goes,
Bo: I like a good hotel bed and I secretly
Bo: always hope somebody's in the next room.
Bo: You know like an exhibitionist eh.
Bo: You know, like I don't want to interact
Bo: with them, but in the back of my head I'm
Bo: like.
Bo: You know, it's kind of fun to be that
Bo: couple.
Bo: That's like I wish they would just go to
Bo: bed already.
Kate: You know, it's fun.
Bo: I like feeling like you're making somebody
Bo: else's trip more interesting.
Kate: Yeah, or just more depressing, because
Kate: they're not having great sex.
Kate: Sure you know and, as always, encourage the
Kate: lack of underwear and all its guys yeah
Kate: yeah, well, I mean, apart from anything
Kate: else, it was for practical reasons too,
Kate: because I was wearing a very kind of like
Kate: fitted, you know figure hugging dress.
Kate: So I don't want a VPL and I don't really I
Kate: don't mind songs, but I don't know, I just
Kate: find them.
Kate: If you don't sit right in a thong, you'll
Kate: know this, though, sure sure, sure.
Kate: If you don't sit right in a thong.
Bo: Yeah, I was going to bring this up earlier.
Kate: Yeah, no, I did it for you.
Kate: Man, You're welcome.
Kate: If you sit awkwardly on a thong, that can
Kate: like the worst fucking wedge, and I've even.
Kate: Okay, I think we're past the point of
Kate: saying oversharing on this show.
Kate: Sure, sure, sure.
Kate: But like I've even once like cut myself
Kate: with a thong yeah, just sitting down, just
Kate: like you know, like just a real bad wedge.
Kate: So I was always kind of I'll wear a thong
Kate: if I have to for whatever reason, like you
Kate: know, if a partner has a real thing for him
Kate: or whatever.
Kate: But like if I'm choosing either, if I, if
Kate: the other alternative is no underwear, I'll
Kate: go no underwear.
Kate: Like if I can't wear other types of
Kate: underwear because of I don't know, a VPL or
Kate: something, then I'll just opt to wear no
Kate: underwear, cause it's way more comfortable.
Bo: Yeah, I can see that.
Kate: And if you're on a date, it's also very
Kate: sexy.
Bo: So Well, right, especially if the date
Bo: starts going well and you get to drop that
Bo: little bomb.
Kate: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Bo: What's your move?
Bo: How do you let that go?
Kate: Um or do you just show.
Bo: Oh my God.
Kate: I.
Kate: What should I do that time?
Kate: I think?
Kate: I think I think I tend to just do the lean
Kate: in and whisper yeah.
Kate: Okay, all right, all right yeah.
Kate: Um, and then like I'll just like walk away
Kate: to go get a drink from the bar or something,
Kate: um, but like, one time I did One time I did
Kate: that I met.
Kate: I was meeting my ex for the first time, um,
Kate: because we met online, and we were meeting
Kate: in Bristol, temple Meads, which is this
Kate: massively busy train station.
Kate: Um, it's huge.
Kate: It's constantly like everyone's everywhere,
Kate: it's like a really big sort of hub and I
Kate: thought, hey, what would be really sexy is
Kate: if I wear this like bodycon, tight fit
Kate: dress, stockings, heels and no underwear,
Kate: right, what I didn't anticipate was, when
Kate: we met um, kissing him, and then him Bend
Kate: me over, like, tip me over, like in that
Kate: very romantic.
Bo: Oh sure, yeah, yeah.
Kate: But to keep balance, like because I was in
Kate: stupidly high heels.
Kate: I kind of I know this sounds weird to keep
Kate: balance, you take your foot off the ground,
Kate: but it just to kind of lever yourself out.
Kate: But I was so aware that my skirt had ridden
Kate: up and I was wearing no underwear and
Kate: stockings in the middle of rush hour, 5pm
Kate: on a fucking Friday, in one of the most
Kate: busy train stations in the southwest Um,
Kate: yeah, that was.
Kate: I mean, it was fun still.
Kate: But I, um I was like should we go?
Kate: I want to go now, let's go, let's go.
Bo: Right?
Bo: Well, you know again, you're giving
Bo: everybody something to think about on the
Bo: way home.
Kate: I mean, yeah, there is that, there is that.
Bo: You may have.
Bo: You may have unintentionally created a
Bo: romantic mood for some of those people who
Bo: then took it home to their spouses and then
Bo: like, unwittingly, you could have, you
Bo: could have generated, you know, a thousand
Bo: orgasms.
Kate: I could have You're right.
Kate: I like the idea of this.
Kate: I like yeah.
Kate: I mean, I'm nothing if not a philanthropist.
Bo: Is that?
Bo: Is it?
Bo: Do you think that's what it would be called
Bo: Philanthropism?
Bo: Is our philanthropy?
Kate: Why not?
Kate: There's no money or anything involved, but
Kate: I feel like I sold my dignity.
Bo: Philanthropy.
Bo: There's something there, there's something
Bo: there?
Kate: Yeah, that's a joke in that somebody can
Kate: work it out.
Bo: Um, which is to say that near dark is a
Bo: movie.
Bo: It is Um but yeah, I mean, it is a road
Bo: trip, Uh, and, as much as I can, you know,
Bo: segue somewhat organically.
Bo: But yeah, it's a, it's a road trip movie,
Bo: like you said.
Bo: It's a vampire film, first and foremost,
Bo: where we have, uh, adrian Pazdar is our
Bo: star, uh, which is a sentence that you
Bo: almost never hear.
Kate: Um, Stop it.
Bo: I mean he's fine, but he's just, you know,
Bo: like watching this movie.
Bo: Here's the thing about near dark and uh,
Bo: and and this may seem uh controversial, but
Bo: you know this show is nothing if not one
Bo: hot take after another.
Kate: Absolutely.
Bo: Um, I think the side characters in this
Bo: movie are way more interesting than the
Bo: main characters.
Kate: Oh my God, yeah, absolutely yes, yes, like.
Bo: Bill Paxton and Lance Henderson and
Bo: Jeanette Goldstein and Tim Tomerson as the
Bo: like doll man himself.
Bo: Yeah.
Kate: Jack Death himself Tim.
Bo: Tomerson.
Kate: Yeah, great.
Bo: Yeah, and so like all of those characters
Bo: are kind of more interesting.
Bo: But yeah, so this dude named Caleb meets
Bo: May uh, played by Jenny.
Bo: Wright.
Bo: Um, and you know they're doing a little bit
Bo: of flirty and teasing.
Bo: Uh, one thing leads to another, and you
Bo: know, sexy vampire things happen, and and
Bo: she decides she is going to, uh, induct him
Bo: into the world of vampirism.
Bo: Uh, which is not unlike the plot of kiss of
Bo: the damned, really.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, I drew that comparison as well.
Bo: Um, although I would also argue kiss of the
Bo: damned is the sexier movie 100%.
Kate: Um definitely Did I tell you I bought that,
Kate: by the way.
Bo: Oh good.
Kate: Yeah, I bought them blue.
Bo: They oh man, I that's a movie I it's been
Bo: just long enough that I'm about ready to go
Bo: back and revisit it.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Um cause that movie is hot.
Kate: I might suggest it for a movie night with
Kate: this new person.
Bo: Oh yeah, that's great.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And then have them chain you up later.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: You do like growls.
Bo: Well, all right, um, that's, that's more of
Bo: my kink, um, but uh, yeah, so, uh, caleb
Bo: and May um end up kind of running off
Bo: together along with her in quotes family.
Bo: Uh, who is basically the cast of the movie
Bo: aliens?
Bo: Um, it's Lance Henriksen as Jesse, jesse
Bo: Hooker.
Kate: Yeah, what a great name it's a.
Bo: That's real good.
Bo: Uh, there's Bill Paxton as Severin.
Kate: Yep.
Bo: And uh, jeanette Goldstein plays diamond
Bo: back, yeah, Uh, because apparently they're
Bo: also all assassins from the kill bill
Bo: universe.
Kate: Yeah, definitely yeah, I'm still Jesse Hook
Kate: is my favorite name.
Bo: Uh, and then you've got Homer uh, played by
Bo: Joshua John Miller, who is a child actor,
Bo: and and in interview with the vampire
Bo: fashion, it is that story of hey, I am
Bo: trapped in a young body but, I am now an
Bo: old man, yeah.
Kate: It also kind of gave me um, uh, buffy vibes
Kate: with the, uh, the anointed a little bit,
Kate: yeah, yeah.
Kate: From early days.
Kate: Season one well, end of season one,
Kate: beginning of season two.
Kate: Oh no, that's a lie, it's oh yeah.
Kate: No, it is end of season one, beginning
Kate: season two.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: I'm about ready for a Buffy rewatch as well.
Kate: I'm always ready for a Buffy.
Kate: I mean, you can always do worse Um 27 years
Kate: ago, on Sunday, the first day I had to just
Kate: saying oh really oh no Friday Friday.
Bo: This Friday is is 37 years, 27, 27.
Kate: It's not too much.
Kate: Um, hmm.
Bo: Okay.
Bo: Old enough now to rent a car.
Bo: Buffy the vampire slayer 27.
Bo: Well, it's 25 in the US, but you know
Bo: really.
Kate: You just have to have a license here.
Kate: Now you have to like uh, no, you can't, you
Kate: just have to pay more on the insurance.
Bo: Uh yeah, they don't even let you.
Bo: If you're uh until you're 25 in the US, you
Bo: uh unless that law is changed.
Bo: That could have changed Um, I'm not even
Bo: sure what's.
Bo: We are free and easy.
Kate: This was I only know well, I don't know
Kate: what it is like now, but when I rented a
Kate: car to drive around Germany, um, I was 25,
Kate: but my mate, who wasn't quite 25, we were
Kate: going to share it, but the insurance was
Kate: just going to cost double if we put her on.
Kate: So I did all the driving.
Kate: But yeah, that was 10 years ago now.
Kate: So yeah.
Kate: Um might change to, but yeah.
Bo: So, anyway, yeah, so yeah, a lot of, and
Bo: the thing is like, near dark is 87.
Bo: And and so it kind of predates a lot of the
Bo: stuff that you like, the stuff that we're
Bo: talking about, uh, that, um, uh, it sort of
Bo: reminds us of other films in oh yeah, right,
Bo: they like after this, but obviously after
Bo: this yeah.
Bo: Right.
Bo: It was all kind of inspired by uh, near
Bo: dark, which is, um, like it's kind of.
Bo: It's one of those movies that I don't love
Bo: it, but it's kind of fascinating.
Bo: Uh like, I like it.
Bo: There's a lot of good stuff in it.
Bo: One scene in particular is fucking great,
Bo: but like the movie as a whole, uh, like I
Bo: said, I don't think the two leads are
Bo: always the most compelling and and that's,
Bo: you know, a problem, it's the lead to your
Bo: film.
Bo: I don't.
Kate: I only think it's a problem if because, as
Kate: you said, in this one, like the side
Kate: characters are so rich, I think like that's
Kate: it's okay because we have these really cool
Kate: side characters.
Kate: Um, but I think if, like the side
Kate: characters, even if they were cool but they
Kate: weren't kind of this interesting, then it
Kate: would pose more of a problem for me.
Kate: Because I ended, I can empathize enough
Kate: with the two leads.
Kate: Plight for me to kind of like care about
Kate: them as characters, but I'm getting my
Kate: entertainment from the others, you know.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: So here's what's crazy, so near dark,
Bo: directed by Catherine Catherine Bigelow,
Bo: like we said who went on to win an Oscar
Bo: for the hurt locker.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: So, and this movie is really well directed
Bo: Like it's, yes, it's so well shot.
Bo: Yeah, it's a beautiful looking movie.
Bo: Yeah, like it uses a lot of like
Bo: Southwestern vistas and a lot of natural
Bo: beauty to help with the production of the
Bo: movie.
Bo: That's not very expensive, yeah.
Kate: And uses all the weapons in our arsenal,
Kate: didn't she?
Bo: Yeah, and I think she was married to James
Bo: Cameron at the time or was involved with
Bo: James Cameron at the time.
Kate: Oh, right, okay.
Bo: And so the reason that you see a lot of
Bo: actors from Alien show up in this is
Bo: because she knew them through her husband.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And also written by Eric Redd, whose movie
Bo: before this one was the Hitcher.
Kate: Oh, really, okay, which is another road
Kate: trip movie through the Southwest.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, okay Cool.
Bo: So you learned a little something at this
Bo: show.
Kate: Yeah, edutainment.
Bo: Edutainment, exactly.
Bo: But yeah, so the you know they're off on
Bo: the road, may and, and I almost said, jesse
Bo: Hooker and.
Bo: Caleb are with, with Jesse and Severin and
Bo: Diamondback and Homer, and they're
Bo: basically teaching Caleb, the main
Bo: character, how to be a vampire.
Bo: Yeah, and they're kind of these nomads out.
Bo: It's very like Old West inspired.
Bo: Where they're you know, these outlaws
Bo: driving around the Southwest, you know,
Bo: killing their way when they, when they need
Bo: to feed.
Kate: Oh, they also as well.
Kate: Another thing that came afterwards gave me
Kate: true, not vibes too, Just their dynamic and
Kate: the way that they're kind of nomads and
Kate: they all kind of you know.
Kate: Obviously, like you know, they don't have
Kate: Rose the Hat as their leader.
Kate: That would be cool.
Bo: If only.
Kate: If only they weren't fucking getting
Kate: involved.
Kate: Well, they might do actually I didn't
Kate: actually end that well for her either but
Kate: the but yeah, that kind of like they're a
Kate: family and they have like a particular,
Kate: they're very sort of like insular and you
Kate: know they don't like outsiders and all of
Kate: this kind of stuff.
Kate: It's just a very.
Kate: It kind of reminds that their whole dynamic
Kate: as a group reminded me of the true not yeah,
Kate: it's like they're from all these different
Kate: time periods, but they're, you know,
Kate: hanging out together.
Bo: There's a touch of loss boys in it.
Kate: I got that too.
Kate: I don't know whether it was just because it
Kate: was like the 80s and like the sort of the
Kate: aesthetic of it, kind of like a bit kind of
Kate: cowboy-ish and whatever, like not
Kate: cowboy-ish in the world, but their
Kate: characters are very just sort of like on
Kate: the lamb yeah.
Bo: And this is the same year that both these
Bo: movies came out in the same year.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: So it's not like one was inspired by the
Bo: other.
Bo: They both just kind of captured this.
Bo: Like you said, it's a very 80s kind of vibe
Bo: and and also this, very like there are kids
Bo: involved in both.
Bo: Yeah, you know, there's that sense of like
Bo: a pack of vampires, a nest of vampires, if
Bo: you will.
Bo: And yeah it's, and I wonder if near dark
Bo: didn't suffer because lost boys came out in
Bo: the summer.
Kate: Possibly, but lost boys is the better film
Kate: I don't disagree with that.
Bo: I'm not over the moon for lost boys, but I
Bo: do think it's better than this.
Bo: But still, you know, like there, there,
Bo: there was something in the water.
Bo: You know, in terms of these kinds of
Bo: vampire movies where and even lost boys was
Bo: a little bit sexy, like this is a little
Bo: bit sexy and it's not just you know
Bo: vampires coming for you.
Bo: So yeah, there there's a little bit of
Bo: shared DNA there, although this one has a
Bo: hundred percent less half naked saxophone
Bo: players.
Kate: And it suffers for it Right.
Bo: I'll let the lesser for it, sure, and, but
Bo: what I?
Bo: What I do like is in the journey to teach
Bo: Caleb how to be a vampire.
Bo: There is the bar scene, and the bar scene
Bo: is fucking rad.
Kate: Yeah, I thought that's what you were
Kate: talking about when you said about it.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: It's because they roll up in there and you
Bo: know it's a bunch of vampires in this, like
Bo: shit kicker bar in the middle of nowhere.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And I'm and immediately know like it.
Bo: You can see on their faces it is the
Bo: confidence of.
Bo: We have done this a bunch of times before.
Bo: This is not the first or the last bar that
Bo: we will clean out of rednecks and like
Bo: we're going to basically pick a fight with
Bo: a group of people who have no idea what
Bo: they're about to get into.
Kate: Yeah, it's that kind of again.
Kate: It's that sort of like, that kind of
Kate: cockiness, that kind of bravado of like,
Kate: yeah, we're going to fuck shit up, you know,
Kate: and like you can't do anything, no
Kate: repercussions are going to happen, we are
Kate: free to do whatever the fuck we want and
Kate: like, even if you don't know it yet, you
Kate: will, you know, like it's yeah, it's very
Kate: that and this is, and the way, especially
Kate: like Severin and stuff, and Severin is like
Kate: the real kind of wild card and he just, oh
Kate: my God, like he's phenomenal in this scene.
Kate: It's so fucking good.
Bo: Yeah, bill Pax.
Bo: Then, as Severin is the best part of the
Bo: movie because yes he's the most fun
Bo: character, like he loves being a vampire he
Bo: loves he's got such bloodlust, yeah, and
Bo: he's like the, and at the end of the movie
Bo: he is the most pissed at Kayla because he
Bo: finally accepts Kayla at a certain point
Bo: when they're like being chased by the law
Bo: and the sun and all that stuff.
Kate: And yeah they don't really accept Kayla,
Kate: because he's he's really resisting being a
Kate: vampire.
Kate: He can't kill anyone, he's never.
Kate: You know, he keeps getting me to do his
Kate: kills for him so that he can kind of like
Kate: feed and things and they're just like
Kate: fucking.
Kate: If you're going to be a vampire, you got to
Kate: fucking toughen up and at the moment you're
Kate: just a liability.
Kate: We're putting up with you for May's sake,
Kate: but we're not going to make it easy for you.
Kate: And Severin is really hard on him
Kate: especially.
Kate: He really just doesn't give a fuck.
Kate: So, yeah, so by the time it gets to a point
Kate: where he's kind of coming around to him,
Kate: you know, and then like yeah, as you say,
Kate: like it's yeah, he gets really pissed off
Kate: with how things turn out.
Bo: Yeah, and it feels betrayed, right, like
Bo: you know, we let you into our family and
Bo: you turned your back on us because, like at
Bo: a certain point, uh, after, after the bar
Bo: scene, we should linger there for just a
Bo: second more, because it really is like Bill
Bo: Paxton wears these spurs all through the
Bo: movie.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And we learned that he is using them in
Bo: these moments to just open up a dude's
Bo: throat as he is dancing around on a bar and
Bo: using these spurs to bleed these fools that
Bo: are eye level to his boots.
Kate: It is yeah.
Bo: Uh, and he's just having a like Bill Paxton
Bo: is having such a good time.
Kate: Oh, yeah, yeah, 100% he is.
Kate: He is absolutely loving life playing this
Kate: role and I don't blame him either.
Kate: Like this is the kind of role that, like I
Kate: think, gets actors going.
Kate: You know, it's not necessarily the main
Kate: part or whatever, but just having these
Kate: really fun parts where you get to tap into
Kate: a side of yourself that you might not
Kate: normally and like it's yeah, like that, if
Kate: I, if I was going to be an actor, this is
Kate: the type of shit that I'd like to do, I
Kate: think.
Bo: Yeah, and I think it's like you know, like,
Bo: like Bill Paxton certainly starred in
Bo: movies, but he always felt like a character
Bo: actor through and through, that he was most
Bo: at home doing something like this and, by
Bo: virtue of how much fun he's having with the
Bo: performance, he ends up being the thing
Bo: that you walk away from the movie with.
Bo: They're like, you're like, yeah, the
Bo: movie's fine, but Bill Paxton's fucking
Bo: amazing in it.
Kate: Yes.
Bo: And yeah, he's so good and but like him,
Bo: blood faced, you know, just like streaked,
Bo: with gore saying mm finger licking good
Bo: Actually he's such great one liners, oh,
Bo: that shit, it's so much fun, he's having
Bo: such a blast.
Bo: So yeah, that bar scene is just fucking
Bo: nuts.
Bo: And then you know, it is kind of post that
Bo: that our vampires end up being on the run
Bo: as Tim Tomerson, as Caleb's father tracks
Bo: them down along with the daughter, like Tim
Bo: Tomerson's daughter, caleb's sister, and
Bo: Homer takes a real shine to her and is like,
Bo: oh, I can turn her into a vampire and after
Bo: a few decades I'll have another adult
Bo: trapped in a child's body.
Kate: That I can, you know have this relationship
Kate: with yeah and she's like no thanks.
Bo: Yeah, and once Caleb gets wind of it,
Bo: that's where he's like fuck you, fuck this,
Bo: I'm out of here.
Bo: Yeah and uh yeah, and goes back home and
Bo: Tim Tomerson uses like basically uh uh,
Bo: transfused blood transfusions to get the
Bo: vampiric infection out of him, which I
Bo: think is kind of an interesting take on it,
Bo: you know.
Kate: Yeah, I mean, what I quite enjoyed about
Kate: that is how it it kind of does make a sense,
Kate: like if we, you know as much sense we're
Kate: talking about vampires.
Kate: You know, because the whole, the whole way
Kate: you become a vampire is essentially through
Kate: a blood transfusion.
Kate: You know, to quote Buffy like they suck
Kate: your blood, you suck their blood, it's like
Kate: a whole big sucking thing.
Kate: So, um, you know, it's like you, you share
Kate: those fluids and then I'm listening.
Kate: And then you know so, to have a blood
Kate: transfusion to sort of essentially like
Kate: override the initial blood transfusion.
Kate: There is a logic in there, so it's not
Kate: something that you really like.
Kate: I mean, I can't think off the top of my
Kate: head where I've seen that exact thing, but
Kate: it's like if it was going to work that way,
Kate: like if it was going to, if there was a way
Kate: of being able to reverse vampirisms and
Kate: business, and then that would be the, that
Kate: would be a logical way of doing it, I would
Kate: think yeah.
Bo: Yeah, I mean it's kind of goofy science,
Bo: but it's kind of science.
Kate: Yeah, I mean it's science in a world where
Kate: vampires are real, you know.
Bo: Yeah, right, exactly, but yeah, so he's
Bo: okay.
Bo: And finally we have a big showdown where,
Bo: like you know, may tracks him down with the
Bo: rest of the family and yeah, I love this
Bo: bit too.
Bo: And you know it feels very.
Bo: Speaking of James Cameron, there's some
Bo: real Terminator vibes, yeah, in the last
Bo: act and it's all really good and fun and,
Bo: like you know, bill Paxson gets blowed the
Bo: fuck up and, you know it takes a spur.
Bo: Right and and at the end of the day, you
Bo: know like Caleb manages to get May like
Bo: humanized again.
Kate: Yeah, I don't know if I like that.
Kate: Yeah, it's.
Kate: It just seems to be like too tied up, you
Kate: know, in a neat bow.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And I think that one of the things that
Bo: hamstrings this movie, you know, aside from
Bo: hey, the side characters like Bill Paxson
Bo: and Lance Hendrickson and Jeanette
Bo: Goldstein, like, are all way more
Bo: interesting characters, and even Homer is
Bo: kind of a more interesting character than
Bo: leads.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And the other problem, I think, is that
Bo: it's way more fun being on the road with
Bo: the vampires than the love story or the
Bo: resolution, and so when you end on the love
Bo: story, you're like, eh, okay, fine, I was
Bo: never really invested in that to begin with.
Kate: Yeah, exactly, it's sort of, it's almost
Kate: becomes like a side thing.
Kate: But their love story almost becomes like a
Kate: side story, because what I want to see is
Kate: what I'm sort of more invested in, is the
Kate: survival of this vampire group and
Kate: no-transcript, and also as well, to an
Kate: extent, like the the, the more, like the
Kate: weather, where, where, where Kaila's morals
Kate: lie and like, where's his, where's the line,
Kate: where's he going to draw that line?
Kate: Um, I by that point had really kind of like
Kate: I just don't care about that relationship
Kate: anymore.
Kate: Yeah, more interesting things are going on.
Kate: So when it like they bought a back house, I
Kate: was like, oh yeah, okay, cool.
Kate: And like, um, I would have.
Kate: I think I'd have probably rather have seen,
Kate: like um, him realize, like, if anything, I
Kate: was rather seen like him realize that, like
Kate: his life was more exciting and he was going
Kate: to get to go see the world and everything
Kate: through different eyes and like, get her to
Kate: change him back and like, but the threat,
Kate: but the threat of the gang has gone.
Kate: So he knows his sister's safe, you know
Kate: that that's okay.
Kate: His family kind of understand they can say
Kate: a proper goodbye, closure, or all the rest
Kate: of it, and then he can go off and live his
Kate: best vampire life with his, with his misses,
Kate: and not like try and change her.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, one of the
Bo: most frustrating things is when a movie
Bo: forgets what the fun part of the movie is.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And it's like why?
Bo: Why are we screwing around with you know?
Bo: Oh my God, is this you know it's fusion
Bo: from dull man going to work?
Bo: When we could be hanging out with Bill
Bo: Paxton and fucking up bars Like where is?
Bo: Why are we not with them?
Bo: Yeah, yeah, the movie needed to be from
Bo: their perspective, I think, and it would be
Bo: a different movie, but it would be a much
Bo: more entertaining movie.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, yeah, um, or just
Kate: have it that, like you know, everyone dies
Kate: in the vampire's escape and they're free to
Kate: rain hell on everything.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, yeah, like he gets
Bo: free of it, you know, maybe brings May
Bo: along with him, and that's how you play it,
Bo: as opposed to you know like we're going to
Bo: have the big showdown.
Kate: But yeah, I would like the show done,
Kate: though I do too.
Bo: Like it is cool, but like if that's the
Bo: case, then in everything you know one of
Bo: them needs to die, then, like, if you're
Bo: going to get or or may has to kill, be the
Bo: one to kill, like Jesse.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Um there has to be some sort of sacrifice
Kate: somewhere.
Bo: Right, right.
Kate: And I just was.
Kate: I think this is what bothered me, that
Kate: there was nothing, there was no, everything
Kate: just kind of I don't want to say came easy,
Kate: but like for a movie about vampires, it
Kate: kind of came easy.
Bo: The getaway too clean.
Kate: Yeah, exactly.
Bo: You know, there, like you said, there there
Bo: needs to be a sacrifice made, and it
Bo: doesn't feel like that has ever happened in
Bo: the movie, or at least not from the main
Bo: characters.
Kate: Um but.
Bo: but that's not to say the movie is bad.
Bo: In fact just the opposite, it's really good.
Bo: And if you've never seen near dark.
Bo: You should see near dark because there's
Bo: still great stuff in it and it's beautiful
Bo: to look at and the uh it's got like a a
Bo: tangerine dream soundtrack and like it's
Bo: stylish as fuck.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And and I like that style, but it is.
Bo: It just has its flaws, and there are other
Bo: vampire movies that kind of came after that
Bo: perfected sort of what it's going for.
Bo: Maybe maybe not exactly Like I could see
Bo: somebody making a really good remake of
Bo: near dark.
Kate: Yes, yeah, definitely.
Bo: And who?
Bo: But who do you cast as Severin?
Bo: Like that's the thing.
Kate: Who, who who?
Kate: who do you know what?
Kate: I could see, Like you know what.
Kate: This is not now, but maybe like 10 years
Kate: ago someone like either Christian Slayer or
Kate: Tim Olyphant Timothy Olyphant.
Bo: Yep, yep, I could yeah that Timothy
Bo: Olyphant may be a little old at this point.
Kate: This is what I mean.
Kate: Like.
Kate: That's what I mean Like 10, 15 years ago
Kate: Now, I don't know Right, it's tough.
Bo: It's a tough yeah.
Bo: It's a tough role to cast, because they've
Bo: got to be able to be scary and also kind of
Bo: goofy yeah.
Kate: And it's a it's what?
Bo: maybe Sam Rockwell would be great, but he's
Bo: too old yeah but it's that vibe right.
Bo: It's the, you know like a crap.
Bo: Gary Oldman back in the day could have done
Bo: a good seven, yeah, yeah.
Bo: So I don't know.
Bo: Listeners, send me a message and tell us
Bo: who should be severing in the remake of
Bo: Near Dark.
Bo: That will inevitably happen.
Kate: Yeah, when we, when we fund it and direct
Kate: ourselves.
Bo: Oh boy.
Bo: Wouldn't that be good.
Bo: That would be good, yeah, like listeners,
Bo: send us I don't know what do you think Five
Bo: million bucks, five million dollars.
Bo: Yeah, I'll do, give us five million dollars,
Bo: we're going to go make a remake of Near
Bo: Dark.
Kate: You'll set up a go fund me.
Bo: Yes, if we can't secure the rights, we'll
Bo: call it Near Dusk.
Kate: Yes, perfect.
Bo: And that way it is legal.
Bo: It's all in the up and up.
Kate: Yeah, and we're going to change it enough
Kate: that they can't say that it's the same
Kate: script.
Bo: Yeah, absolutely.
Bo: Instead of in the Southwest, we'll put ours
Bo: in the Southeast and we're driving around
Bo: like Georgia and Louisiana.
Kate: Yeah, I'm going to do it from the vampire's
Kate: perspective.
Kate: Oh, definitely, and then and the ending
Kate: will be different.
Kate: So, yeah, yeah.
Bo: Legally distinct, I think, is the way that
Bo: we can.
Kate: Is that the term?
Bo: Yes, yeah, this is a legally distinct
Bo: property.
Kate: Yeah, definitely.
Kate: I'm trying to think of an actor now.
Kate: That's annoying.
Bo: It's tough.
Kate: I'm looking at all my blue rays and it's
Kate: like everyone's just too old.
Kate: I just I'm just still living in, like the
Kate: nineties, and unlike the two, thousand and
Kate: everything can't be Timothy Chalamet.
Kate: Oh Jesus, no, and he wouldn't be able to do
Kate: this anyway.
Kate: He's Farty Somba.
Bo: And in two-frail.
Bo: In two-frail he's got like little bird
Bo: bones.
Kate: I almost went, bill Skarsgard, but I don't
Kate: know yeah.
Bo: You know, even in Alexander Skarsgard might
Bo: be all right for this.
Kate: He seems like he could pull that off.
Kate: I don't know.
Kate: I reckon he's a bit too old now.
Bo: Yeah, you're probably right, god.
Kate: Everyone's fucking old.
Kate: Yeah, I thought everyone stayed young in
Kate: Hollywood, aren't they?
Kate: It's supposed to be some sort of like past,
Kate: some sort of blood cult.
Bo: Hey, look at Nicole Kidman.
Bo: She hasn't aged a day.
Kate: She hasn't.
Bo: I mean, she's beautiful.
Kate: Neither is fucking Tom Cruise, though, so
Kate: what's that about?
Bo: I don't know.
Bo: I watched that last Mission Impossible
Bo: movie and there are a couple of scenes
Bo: where it looks like Tom Cruise only
Bo: slightly melted.
Bo: You know it's.
Bo: Yeah, he's getting that fifties, like
Bo: everything's just starting to sag a little
Bo: bit and there's you know like and he, but I
Bo: like the fact that he's not if he's getting
Bo: any work done.
Bo: It is subtle and it is professional.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And it's not like all of a sudden he goes
Bo: from hey, I'm, you know, almost 60 to I
Bo: look 45 and surprised all the time.
Kate: So yeah, he's not pulling any juncture,
Kate: volters.
Bo: No, no, no, no.
Bo: Like every now and again, like Joe Biden
Bo: will get, like one of them, clothes pins at
Bo: the back of the head to tighten everything
Bo: up on his face and it's like, oh wow, you
Bo: like all of your wrinkles are gone, but you
Bo: still look old, and that's weird.
Bo: That's, that's an unsettling combination of
Bo: factors.
Kate: Like Benjamin Button.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, every now and again, it's
Bo: Benjamin Biden yeah.
Kate: It's like one of those things where you
Kate: have to double take, like my eyes are
Kate: playing tricks on me, kind of thing.
Kate: This looks like an old man, right.
Bo: There's something not right there right,
Bo: but there are no wrinkles, so it looks like
Bo: a very old baby.
Bo: Yes, exactly, exactly, and that is like you
Bo: said.
Bo: It's a Benjamin Button scenario and that's
Bo: creepy as hell.
Kate: It is very creepy yeah.
Bo: And also just not very narratively
Bo: satisfying.
Bo: What a what a one of the few venture
Bo: missteps in in the filmography.
Bo: I would wager anyway, so anything else
Bo: about traveling or do we move on to Tinder
Bo: is the flesh.
Bo: I don't want to sell you short at any point.
Kate: Oh no, what anything about traveling?
Kate: Anything else?
Kate: Anything else happened in that trip that's
Kate: worth noting.
Kate: No, those are just like the two funny
Kate: moments.
Kate: No, I mean, one time I was the person who
Kate: was the asshole on holiday.
Bo: How so.
Kate: So we went on.
Kate: So this is me, and, like my first, this is
Kate: the same guy who took me to Paris.
Kate: We were about four years into the
Kate: relationship now, though, and definitely on
Kate: the way out, and we were in fuck, where do
Kate: we even go?
Kate: Tenerife, I think, and we went on one of
Kate: those all day excursions.
Kate: You know where, you're in a coach all day,
Kate: and it just drops you off at different
Kate: places, picks you up, drops you off, picks
Kate: you up everything, and they had the hotel,
Kate: had like sorted us out at lunch, as you do
Kate: with these kind of things.
Kate: We left.
Kate: We were at about five in the morning, to
Kate: leave at something like six in the morning.
Kate: It was like one of those real full on days.
Kate: It was hot, shit.
Kate: It was hot on the coach.
Kate: I don't I.
Kate: Heat is one of the things that gets me
Kate: irritable.
Kate: Hungry being hungry is the other, and we
Kate: had eaten the lunch, but we didn't get back
Kate: until something like 10 pm, and we were
Kate: staying in this little kind of like hotel
Kate: that was sort of out of the way of
Kate: everything.
Kate: It was one of those like all inclusive
Kate: resort places, and we got home later than
Kate: they had said we were supposed to be
Kate: getting back at eight and we got back at 10.
Kate: And shut at 9, 30.
Kate: And I was in just the worst mood because I
Kate: was hot, tired and hungry Three things that
Kate: you do not want to see me experiencing and
Kate: I I was right.
Kate: I want to just preface it.
Kate: I am aware that my behavior was not
Kate: acceptable.
Kate: I am aware that it was not this person's
Kate: fault.
Kate: I went into the kitchen.
Kate: They were clearing everything up and I was
Kate: just like, oh my God, like I just need some
Kate: food and so we're really sorry the
Kate: kitchen's closed, we don't have anything.
Kate: And I was and like it was.
Kate: Even though it was, it was even though it
Kate: was all inclusive.
Kate: They didn't do room service.
Kate: It wasn't anything like once the kitchen
Kate: was closed.
Kate: That was it.
Kate: The kitchen was closed, but there wasn't
Kate: even anywhere nearby that we could pop to
Kate: the shop or pop for something to eat.
Kate: You know what I mean there was.
Kate: It was literally one of those hotels where
Kate: it's like how have we chosen this location,
Kate: so you have to stay here?
Kate: And I literally just lost my shit at this
Kate: guy and I was just like what?
Kate: I was like I don't care, what is it that
Kate: you give me?
Kate: Just give me some bread, some, I don't care,
Kate: just give me some.
Kate: I've been out all day and I literally just
Kate: like lost my rag at this guy and he got his
Kate: manager.
Kate: Oh no.
Kate: Yeah and and like in the meantime he lost
Kate: his manager.
Kate: Like my boyfriend at the time was just like
Kate: what the fuck, kate?
Kate: And I'm just like don't care.
Kate: And he's just like Kate, you're being so
Kate: unreasonable, what the fuck?
Kate: He was just like just have something to
Kate: breakfast and I'm like I need something now.
Kate: I was literally, I was being such a fucking
Kate: cunt.
Kate: And then his.
Kate: By the time his manager came out as typical
Kate: with these sorts of things, I had calmed
Kate: down.
Kate: Sure.
Kate: I was like a little bit to be like, look,
Kate: like I was still pretty hip, but I was like,
Kate: look, we have been out all day, your hotel
Kate: provider's a lunch for an X amount trip and
Kate: ended up being a Y amount length of time.
Kate: I am starving, I just need some food.
Kate: I feel sick.
Kate: Just, I don't care, give me some bread.
Kate: And like he was like okay, and he went out
Kate: and he literally just got me one of those
Kate: like tiny little bread rolls Like you know
Kate: that you get, like you know, when you have
Kate: a buffet, and they're just sort of like
Kate: piled up one of those little bread rolls
Kate: and like one little packet of butter and he
Kate: just shoved it into my hands.
Kate: He was like there and I was like thank you
Kate: and just like walked off and then,
Kate: obviously like me and my then partner had a
Kate: major round and then the next day I tried
Kate: to find the guy and apologize, but I
Kate: couldn't find him.
Kate: He probably quit that night, right?
Bo: That was his last night.
Kate: He left the city moved back to the farm had
Kate: enough of rude I was so rude I'd say I am
Kate: not justifying anything that poor guy Like
Kate: I did once I'd eaten and got some sleep and
Kate: got back to a normal temperature.
Kate: I was a human again and I felt awful and
Kate: yeah, and I did in fairness, I did.
Kate: I guess it must have just been like one of
Kate: those like total shift changeovers because
Kate: the manager wasn't there either the same
Kate: one but I spoke to a manager and I said
Kate: look whoever was working last night.
Kate: Can you please tell them?
Kate: I'm just so sorry because I was being well
Kate: out of order.
Kate: I was just really, really, really, really,
Kate: really hungry.
Kate: But yeah, no, I was not.
Kate: Yeah, how do I gain something in thisBro
Kate: ÙÙÙÙ , which is not the best hole on that
Kate: trip?
Kate: Yeah, I don't think we're my partners
Kate: together for the next summer.
Kate: I think we broke up that year.
Kate: Yeah, but I broke up with him though, so
Kate: you know.
Kate: I had a thing.
Bo: All right, we can move on to Tinder after
Bo: this, and this won't take but a second.
Bo: So there was one trip I took with a
Bo: girlfriend of mine and we were in Chicago
Bo: for a wedding that like it was a friend of
Bo: hers or somebody in her family or something.
Bo: It had to be somebody in her family because
Bo: a lot of her family was around.
Bo: But it was such a miserable time with her
Bo: because she just she went off a rocker a
Bo: little bit and I think it was just the
Bo: pressure of the situation etc.
Bo: But I knew like, oh, this is over with.
Bo: But it was one of those situations where,
Bo: like, I know that the relationship is over,
Bo: but she doesn't know that.
Bo: And we're on a plane back from Chicago to
Bo: Nashville, right, and I'm like, as soon as
Bo: we land, as soon as we land, I'm going to
Bo: do this.
Kate: Oh, the whole time You're even going to let
Kate: her have like a day back.
Bo: No, because as soon as I know that's fucked
Bo: up.
Bo: But but it was also like what is the point,
Bo: like this was terrible.
Bo: I don't want to.
Bo: I don't want to waste another day.
Bo: Just like just putting this off Like I,
Bo: because it sucks, like I hate breaking up
Bo: with anybody and.
Bo: I hate it.
Bo: It's one of the worst fucking things.
Bo: Every time that I'm in a situation where
Bo: I'm breaking up with somebody, I feel like
Bo: total shit about it.
Kate: Same.
Bo: And so I was very much like I just need to
Bo: rip the bandaid here and be done with this,
Bo: because I feel like I feel sick about it
Bo: and so yeah, it was awful.
Kate: But yeah, I did get that.
Bo: But it sucked.
Bo: You're right, but there's no easy way to do
Bo: it Like there's no right time.
Kate: You know, at a certain point.
Bo: You know like you want to make sure that
Bo: you're weighing the decision fairly.
Bo: You're not just popping off at the mouth.
Bo: But once you know for sure, like don't sit
Bo: on that information.
Kate: Just be like you know what.
Bo: I think we're done here.
Kate: Yeah, yeah.
Bo: I'm going to get my shit and then I'm going
Bo: to go and I hope everything goes well for
Bo: you from here on out.
Bo: I just won't be around to see it.
Kate: Yeah, and thank God and yes.
Kate: And we'll both be better off in the long
Kate: run 100%.
Kate: So yeah, so Sorry.
Bo: Because even if I stayed, I would
Bo: eventually kill you.
Kate: And you'd get away with it as well, you
Kate: watched a lot of horror Right.
Bo: I would murder you, and I'm thinking about
Bo: it now, which is why I think we should
Bo: break up.
Kate: Yeah, because this isn't about me.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Yeah Right, it's not you, it's me and my
Bo: motorist impulses.
Kate: Exactly, yeah, we're such givers.
Kate: We look, we're so selfless.
Bo: Once again we have shown that as partners
Bo: in a relationship, we are Like anyone would
Bo: be lucky to have us.
Kate: Right Me and all my angry rages.
Bo: Yeah.
Kate: Just keep me.
Kate: I'm very easily.
Kate: That would just keep me fed and happy.
Kate: That's all I ask.
Bo: And cool and cool.
Bo: Yeah, I don't know.
Kate: A temperate environment and food.
Kate: Yeah, no, come up my nose, and well you
Kate: know, that's just a breezy bonus if you can
Kate: avoid it.
Bo: Sure, I don't feel like that's a deal
Bo: breaker for anyone here.
Kate: For some people it's a turn on Right.
Bo: Sometimes you got to pay extra, yeah.
Kate: So what happened then?
Bo: What the breakup?
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Well, I mean, I mean not.
Bo: Well, she was like, but we just had a trip
Bo: and we had so much fun.
Kate: Well, one of us did.
Bo: I was like did he, you know?
Bo: But like I'm.
Bo: It was like but I like, I like to cite
Bo: evidence right, like here's why we are
Bo: breaking up, because you responded to this
Bo: thing in this way and this is how I feel,
Bo: this is what I think that means about how
Bo: you view the world and that does not like
Bo: you know.
Bo: She got real freaked out over me, playfully
Bo: flirting with her like 90 year old aunt.
Kate: Joking yes.
Bo: No, I mean, that's absolutely like she lost
Bo: her nut about it and I was like I cannot
Bo: like the.
Bo: If you think that I'm going to run away
Bo: with your you know octogenarian aunt, then
Bo: obviously this relationship is not in a
Bo: place where either of us feel good about it.
Bo: No, oh my God, yeah, it was it was fucking
Bo: crazy Cause like like I'm like.
Bo: This is in the middle of the fucking
Bo: rehearsal dinner, she stands up and storms
Bo: out because of this.
Kate: Oh my God, we doing like rubbing her thigh
Kate: or something?
Kate: No, no, not at all.
Kate: I mean, I don't even remember exactly.
Bo: It was something really innocuous, it was
Bo: just.
Bo: I might have even said something like to
Bo: her aunt like well, we shouldn't talk right
Bo: now because she's here listening or
Bo: something.
Bo: You know something like that, but just
Bo: goofing off, right Like clearly I wasn't
Bo: trying to make any time with this old woman.
Kate: Obviously not.
Bo: But yeah, oh my God.
Kate: Oh, my God.
Kate: It was kind of I don't even know what that
Kate: speaks to, Whatever it is.
Bo: Oh, I'll tell you, it is some real
Bo: self-esteem issues that.
Bo: I do not want to be around for the
Bo: management of.
Kate: Yeah, I mean, it gets to a point, doesn't
Kate: it, where you, like, you want, like you're
Kate: not trying to change, but you know, you,
Kate: you know, love someone for their good parts,
Kate: their bad parts, you know.
Kate: But there is like a line where it's kind of
Kate: like, okay, when am I their partner, or
Kate: when am I their parent slash therapist,
Kate: like, and how much is this going to drain
Kate: from me?
Kate: You know, because, like, I'm all about
Kate: supporting partners, I'm all about
Kate: supporting friendships, but there is a
Kate: point, though, where it actually just
Kate: starts being like I'm not helping you, but
Kate: you are sucking the fucking energy out of
Kate: me in the life of yeah, yeah Right, when
Kate: you come home and and like all
Kate: relationships are worked to some degree.
Kate: Of course yeah.
Bo: But if you come home and and dread it
Bo: because you know you're going to be even
Bo: more exhausted by the the the like the
Bo: dynamics of the situation.
Bo: Yeah, then it's just like you it's.
Bo: It's untenable.
Kate: And I think we've all been.
Kate: We've all been in those situations.
Bo: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Bo: It is exclusively how I date.
Kate: That's exclusive how I've dated so far,
Kate: like as in, like it gets to that.
Kate: It will always get to that point.
Kate: Which is why I'm kind of like I started
Kate: seeing somebody new, like very new.
Kate: But like I'm also kind of like do I want?
Kate: Do I like I'm quite happy being by myself?
Kate: And also when you're a wise woman, old wise
Kate: woman in the forest, that doesn't come with
Kate: a partner.
Kate: In fact, the fact that you're like an old
Kate: spinster is part of the whole deal.
Kate: And you know you're supposed to have rumors
Kate: about you eat children and cut men's
Kate: unsuspecting men's hearts out of their
Kate: chest for your midnight moon blood
Kate: sacrifices.
Kate: It doesn't work if you've got a partner
Kate: there.
Bo: I mean, you can still go off and get laid.
Bo: That is well within the bounds of oh 100%
Bo: yeah, but having a partner, yeah.
Kate: Here's the thing.
Bo: I find myself fantasizing about at this
Bo: point.
Bo: Okay, it's not like I'm going to meet the
Bo: right person and settle down or something
Bo: at this point.
Kate: It's like I'm going to get an RV.
Bo: And I'm just going to drive around the
Bo: country with my dogs.
Bo: Fuck, yeah, and just like see the see, the
Bo: sights and go to terrible restaurants and
Bo: two-bit side shows.
Bo: Yeah, can I come?
Kate: This is like I think.
Kate: I'll help on and kind of deal, like I'll
Kate: meet you over and like wherever, and like
Kate: we'll go see some fucking weird side show,
Kate: can I?
Bo: and then like sure, sure, like we'll fill
Bo: our bodies up with as much cholesterol as
Bo: possible.
Kate: And then, like I'll, I'll go back to my
Kate: little cabin in the forest and hibernate
Kate: for four to six months.
Bo: I'm telling it.
Bo: When I fantasize about this, it's like,
Bo: well, that's going to be the last 10 years
Bo: of my life.
Bo: I'm just going to be a nomad, you know,
Bo: speaking of the true knot, but I will be my
Bo: own true knot going down to 10 and like
Bo: just visiting old friends and stuff, like
Bo: hey, I'm going to, I'm going to go to
Bo: Wisconsin and see some friends of mine
Bo: there and I'll hook my RV up, you know, at
Bo: some shitty RV park where.
Bo: I can live for three days.
Bo: You know like that sounds so appealing to
Bo: me.
Kate: That sounds great.
Kate: I doesn't it?
Kate: It really does.
Kate: I'm such a nomad myself.
Kate: Like, like I, like I never.
Kate: The only reason that I'm staying currently
Kate: in one place is purely for my kids' sake.
Kate: As soon as she's old enough to move out and
Kate: able enough to move out, as in financially
Kate: so in about 50 years, I am out, I am gone,
Kate: I am moving abroad Like I've I think it was
Kate: like in 10 years, I think I moved something
Kate: like 14 times for various reasons.
Kate: But like I just don't like staying in one
Kate: place for too long, I don't like feeling
Kate: like tied down in any kind of way.
Kate: You know, one of the reasons why I'm trying
Kate: to be a hairdresser is because it's
Kate: something that I can take with me wherever
Kate: I go, and like it's not a job that
Kate: necessarily requires me to stay in one
Kate: place.
Kate: And like I like any, I've had a mortgage in
Kate: the past, but it was purely because my
Kate: partner wanted one and I figured I was
Kate: going to spend the rest of my life with
Kate: them.
Kate: So I guess we're having a mortgage, but I
Kate: wouldn't have a more.
Kate: I mean, you know the market, a market, say,
Kate: the market aside, I still, if I ever did
Kate: get a mortgage.
Kate: If I ever did buy a property, it would be
Kate: to rent out to someone else and have it as
Kate: a source of income as opposed to like
Kate: somewhere I would live.
Bo: Well.
Bo: So that's kind of when I think about it.
Bo: It's like, oh, I'll just rent out my house
Bo: and I'll use you know that money plus
Bo: retirement, plus some royalty, like I'll
Bo: make a fine monthly income.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: And and then I'll just like, I'll plunk
Bo: down, like, look, this is.
Bo: I'm looking at this thing right now.
Bo: It's this a good looking RV, 120 grand,
Bo: which you know.
Bo: I mean, yeah, that's 120 grand, but that's
Bo: where you live, that's your, your.
Bo: You know your home on the road.
Bo: And and I dig it, I like, I like this idea.
Kate: Yeah, it's a, it's a sweet idea.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Bo: Like you know, the yeah the whole, like
Bo: bedroom in the back, little kitchen and and
Bo: and so forth, and that's really that's
Bo: really the dogs.
Bo: You know.
Bo: A little table to do some writing.
Bo: And that's what I would say, like I travel
Bo: around, if I'm like, hey, I'm going to stop
Bo: in this place, I'm just going to sleep here
Bo: and write for a couple of days and there'll
Bo: be enough internet to publish it, and like
Bo: I've really given this a lot of thought.
Kate: Yeah, and also cause where you live in
Kate: America, like you've got such an expanse of
Kate: different landscapes, you know so, like,
Kate: whatever kind of landscape you're in the
Kate: mood for, environment you're in the mood
Kate: for you've got it without even having to
Kate: cross water, yeah, Right, and I could go
Kate: all the way up to Alaska.
Bo: And, yeah, right, like the world is my
Bo: burrito, I could go all through Canada.
Kate: Oh, I'll be living there by that point, so
Kate: come say hi to me, great.
Kate: Yeah sure, Let me know, let me know where
Kate: you are, and you know I mean to be, you
Kate: know, shacked up together, clearly.
Bo: So like.
Bo: But in my head now I'm like okay, well, so
Bo: I'll teach for about the next 10 years and
Bo: then I'll just buy my motor home and I'll
Bo: just drive around.
Kate: Fuck yeah.
Bo: It's like it's really got me charged up,
Bo: Like it sounds like a great idea, but none
Bo: of that includes like well, and I'm going
Bo: to find a nice lady to do that with.
Bo: It's just like, ah, I'm just going to go
Bo: fucking do it.
Kate: Exactly, exactly, yes, yes.
Kate: Speaking my language, though, speaking my
Kate: language.
Bo: Should we do Tinder?
Bo: Yes, yes, tinder is the flesh, and then get
Bo: out of here.
Kate: Yeah, nice, right.
Kate: So our first contender behind door number
Kate: one, we have Scott 34.
Kate: My name is Scott.
Kate: I have a sense of humor, all right, Wait,
Kate: wait, wait let me.
Bo: I'm sorry I got to stop you right there,
Bo: cause when you say my name is Scott, I have
Bo: a sense of humor.
Bo: This I'm having a space ghost coast to
Bo: coast flashbacks because, there's a story
Bo: that Brack tells that starts with hello, my
Bo: name is bingo.
Bo: And it's a story about a talking monkey and
Bo: it goes hello, my name is bingo.
Bo: Can I have a banana Eek?
Kate: That's not how this goes.
Kate: Spoiler alert All right, but just starting
Kate: off.
Bo: Hello, my name is Scott.
Bo: It feels a little silly.
Kate: It is.
Bo: Okay, sorry, sorry.
Kate: And also your name is right there Like
Kate: people and you only have a certain amount
Kate: of like characters you can use in a bio and
Kate: it's when people like, so you have so much
Kate: already that they just that you can.
Kate: You can say where you work, you can say
Kate: what your sexual preferences, where you
Kate: live, your height, all in the bitch, you
Kate: don't have to put any of that in your bio.
Kate: You've got so much more to put in your bio
Kate: and it's so.
Kate: It's when you'll have, let's say, scott, 34,
Kate: 5 foot 10, right Lives in X, and then in
Kate: the in the bio they have hi, I'm Scott and
Kate: 34 and I'm 5 foot 10.
Bo: It's just like buddy, you know it's
Bo: speaking to getting kicked in the head by a
Bo: goat.
Bo: Hi, my name is Scott Uh-huh.
Kate: I'm 5 foot 10.
Bo: Yeah, I'm I'm 5 feet 10 inches tall.
Kate: I'm 34 and a half years old.
Bo: Look I just need to renew my driver's
Bo: license.
Bo: My name is Scott.
Bo: Yeah, I got that earlier.
Kate: It's like that 10 seconds on from 51st date.
Kate: Hi, I'm Tom yeah.
Bo: All right.
Bo: So is there someone else I can talk to you?
Bo: Do you have a manager?
Bo: I'm 5 feet 10 inches tall.
Bo: All right, I'm just going to come back.
Bo: Goodbye, my name is Scott.
Kate: Oh, my God, I'm really glad that the next
Kate: one is, because if there's anything else, I
Kate: think it would be very disappointing, right?
Kate: So, scott, my name is Scott.
Kate: I can't do it now.
Kate: I have a sense of humor.
Kate: I'm hung like a horse as it's between my
Kate: legs and smells funny.
Kate: I have a daughter and would probably have
Kate: more children.
Kate: My boobs are real.
Kate: All right.
Bo: I don't like him talking about his horse
Bo: stick and his kids in the same body.
Kate: It's gross, isn't it?
Kate: It's gross when they do that.
Bo: It's a hard left turn that's tough to
Bo: navigate.
Kate: Well, you hope it's a left turn, because
Kate: what if it's not fair?
Bo: Right and like and I hope to have more is
Bo: again.
Bo: This is all just bad phrasing this.
Bo: This is a first draft at best.
Kate: And to be mentioned that starts up with hi.
Kate: My name is Scott Hi.
Bo: My name is Scott.
Kate: I'm hung like a horse and I want more
Kate: children.
Bo: It smells funny yeah.
Kate: You have to stop touching your phone, yeah.
Bo: It's when I touch it a lot, it spits at me.
Kate: Oh boy, oh my God, all right.
Bo: We're going outside, scott, put on your
Bo: helmet.
Bo: My name is Scott.
Bo: Oh my God, my stomach Okay.
Bo: So Scott clearly a winner.
Bo: So far, so good.
Kate: He wins.
Kate: I won't bother with the other two.
Kate: Scott wins today, so this one.
Kate: A second one, oh my God.
Kate: So he's put as his name dirty Dave.
Bo: Oh sure.
Kate: And, as an added extra, in one of his
Kate: little photos slash videos, it's a video of
Kate: him playing acoustic guitar singing.
Kate: Can you guess?
Kate: Wonderwall.
Kate: Oh boy.
Kate: Yeah, and his bio says well, some sort of
Kate: handle.
Kate: It says handle whatever, that is cam.
Kate: So I see cam on anything, I'm immediately
Kate: thinking it's some sort of sex stream.
Kate: And then it just says for by itself.
Kate: And then it says I like to party and fuck
Kate: content available, also reconfirming my cam
Kate: concept.
Kate: I've got five dogs.
Kate: Psychedelic astronaut supply kiss.
Kate: Psychedelic spell room Wait psychedelic
Kate: what.
Kate: Astronauts.
Kate: Okay, yeah, so for I like to party it by,
Kate: in fact, content available.
Kate: Also, I've got five dogs.
Kate: Psychedelic astronauts apply, and he's
Kate: playing Wonderwall badly on a guitar.
Kate: He's called himself dirty Dave.
Bo: All right.
Bo: So how old is dirty Dave Do we have?
Kate: any 28?
Bo: Yeah, that still feels old.
Bo: Calling yourself dirty Dave and playing
Bo: Wonderwall, that's.
Bo: That's a young man's game, that is that is
Bo: first year college.
Kate: Anyone's game, I think, at this point is
Kate: just like just it's immediate red flag.
Bo: You're right, Like that was.
Bo: That was a move when I was 21.
Kate: I feel like as soon as it became a move, it
Kate: became a cliche.
Kate: Yes, yes, like, kind of like how anytime Ed
Kate: Sheeran releases a ballad, it's already a
Kate: cliche as a first dance song.
Bo: Yeah, right, right, right, yeah, it's, yes,
Bo: it, it.
Bo: There was a window of about eight and a
Bo: half minutes.
Kate: Yeah.
Bo: Where it was an effective ploy to play
Bo: Wonderwall on acoustic guitar for a woman.
Kate: Yes.
Bo: And the window rapidly closed.
Bo: They there.
Bo: There was one man, kevin Jeffries, who
Bo: pulled it off, and that was it.
Kate: Not even lowland.
Kate: Liam pulled off.
Kate: No.
Bo: No, that was.
Bo: That was a door that closed behind Kevin
Bo: Jeffries and it will not open again.
Kate: Yes, Exactly so.
Kate: Yeah, so we've got this old pervy has been
Kate: five dogs, which I think you know you were
Kate: saying with two dogs that you were getting
Kate: creepy.
Bo: Yes, this guy's got five.
Bo: Five is except.
Bo: Five means that dogs is what you do.
Kate: Yes.
Bo: That is, that is the whole of your
Bo: personality.
Kate: It is.
Kate: And then, yeah, misspellings aside,
Kate: psychedelic astronaut supply doesn't even
Kate: fucking make sense.
Bo: I don't know what that is.
Bo: I'm still trying to work it out.
Kate: And the fact that he signs it all off with
Kate: a little kiss Like he loves you.
Kate: Still, it still might be better than my
Kate: name is Scott, which is my name is Scott is
Kate: terrible at the minute, at least I know
Kate: he's got a big dick.
Bo: Yeah, but it also smells, I'm not blowing
Bo: him?
Kate: I'm not blowing him and he's using a condom.
Bo: Yeah, okay, all right, and yeah, you're not
Bo: getting, you're not getting wind of
Bo: anything down there.
Kate: Yeah, and also I'm not going to end up on
Kate: camera.
Kate: So no, no, no, no, no, all right.
Bo: What is what's behind door number three
Bo: here you ready?
Kate: This is a doozy.
Bo: Yes, I am.
Kate: Okay, ready to get political?
Kate: Alex 34, six foot one.
Kate: Okay, just just returned from three months
Kate: in Thailand.
Kate: Pretty cool, cause the Thailand flags are
Kate: as well, just in case you weren't sure, to
Kate: the snow.
Kate: Need someone to break me in gently winking
Kate: emoji?
Kate: If you're a chubby girl, don't waste either
Kate: of our time not times time by liking me.
Kate: I like feminine, physically fit women with
Kate: something going on upstairs.
Kate: I'm right wing and a Trump supporters, and
Kate: no slippery lefties either.
Kate: Okay, so it's a nice little emoji.
Kate: United flags, even though he lives in
Kate: Cardiff, and then the American flag next to
Kate: it.
Bo: So why the fuck is anybody in England a
Bo: Trump fan?
Kate: I Do not know.
Kate: Good, not tell you know.
Kate: And I know is to clarify.
Bo: Yeah, that seems very.
Bo: I guess you have to be like what super Tory
Bo: Is that?
Bo: Would that be the thing?
Kate: Yeah, yeah, I think if that's yeah, but I
Kate: think even the Tories just kind of think
Kate: he's a bit Of a joke.
Bo: Yeah, I don't.
Bo: Yeah, like, if you're that would be like me
Bo: being super invested in.
Bo: Okay, what's the Prime Minister's name?
Bo: Now I can't even keep up.
Kate: Oh, fuck me, I don't know.
Bo: June, not Juno oh.
Kate: This is bad, isn't it?
Kate: I just I switch, I switch off after a while.
Kate: I'm not gonna lie.
Kate: Oh, I'm looking up.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, I got it to you.
Bo: It's Wow, rishi Sunak.
Kate: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
Bo: So boy, the conservatives have really been
Bo: chewing through him, teresa may.
Bo: Boris Johnson, listress and Rishi Sunak.
Kate: All in the what like seven years eight year,
Kate: yeah, seven, eight years.
Bo: Well, and it Teresa may lift in 2019.
Bo: So yeah, the past five.
Bo: Yeah it seems like a lot.
Kate: But it's pretty shambolic over here.
Bo: Yeah, anyway, but we can still get
Bo: abortions.
Kate: So there you go.
Bo: Yeah, well you know you can in most
Bo: reputable back alleys here.
Bo: All right, but all right.
Bo: So the choices.
Bo: Which of these three it would be the?
Bo: The recommend.
Kate: Yeah, so you got the right wing Trump
Kate: supporting fat-shaming asshole.
Bo: That's a disaster.
Bo: That guy I Like that guy is going to be
Bo: appealing to a very specific kind of person.
Bo: Yeah and it's going to be a person that
Bo: also believes in the same nonsense.
Bo: So, yeah, he is totally off the table and
Bo: also should be on a list.
Kate: Yes, agreed, he's definitely in, and so.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, if it wouldn't make sense if he
Bo: was the dude with five dogs.
Kate: Yeah you know, he's actually in as well.
Kate: He's actually from the photo of what I can
Kate: see of the screenshot that I took.
Kate: He's actually not a bad-looking guy.
Kate: Yeah so it's kind of one of those things
Kate: where, like, he's clearly on tinder for his
Kate: personality.
Kate: You know, like like Men who are on tinder,
Kate: who are good-looking Generally, like I mean,
Kate: as in like Not just good-looking, but like
Kate: very good looking.
Kate: You know like the kind of like what are you
Kate: on here for?
Kate: Oh right, because you have a shitty
Kate: personality.
Kate: Girls want tinder because everyone else,
Kate: they know, all the guys that they know, are
Kate: just ourselves.
Kate: We hope that by like Casting out our nets a
Kate: bit further, we're gonna have more success,
Kate: but no, no.
Bo: No same shit the difference of code same
Bo: shit.
Kate: Yeah, exactly, so yeah.
Kate: But when, when good-looking men are on
Kate: there, they're either a catfish or they're
Kate: an asshole generally, so yeah.
Bo: I should start cat fishing.
Kate: No, it's such a cruel practice.
Kate: Did I tell you about the time I got catfish?
Bo: No.
Kate: So I yeah, I'll keep this brief, so I Sorry,
Kate: just getting more comfy on my sofa.
Kate: So I this is oh god, this was Jesus about
Kate: ten years ago it's between my two big
Kate: long-term relationships and I was on tinder
Kate: for the first time and was pretty naive to
Kate: the concept of things like cat fishing.
Kate: And there was this guy I was chatting to,
Kate: had been chatting to you for a little while.
Kate: We were on WhatsApp by this point and I had
Kate: sent him some risque videos, pretty risque,
Kate: and photos and whatever and like yeah
Kate: Anyway, so I Was shopping with my mom this
Kate: before yeah, no, she'd come back from
Kate: Greece For a little bit and we were out
Kate: shopping and because I was with my mom, we
Kate: went into Marks and Spencer, which is a big
Kate: kind of department store for the
Kate: middle-aged and typically and for the
Kate: frumpy yeah, yeah, basically.
Kate: And then so we go to the men's section
Kate: because mom wants to get that some pants
Kate: and take them back with her right.
Kate: So we go to the men's section and low
Kate: behold, right in front of my face, about
Kate: eight foot high, is the profile picture of
Kate: this guy.
Kate: I've been chatting to you for two months.
Kate: Oh no and I am pretty sure he is not a
Kate: model like, because in his bio he was a
Kate: technical engineer.
Kate: So, yeah, I don't know who the fuck I'd
Kate: sent that shit to, and at that time it
Kate: wasn't even so much of the fact that I'd
Kate: sent it to someone who wasn't who he said
Kate: he was.
Kate: I was like, shit, I hope it was no one I
Kate: went to school with.
Kate: Yeah, like or anything like that, because
Kate: that would.
Kate: That's to me.
Kate: That's so much worse than a stranger.
Kate: Oh, right right.
Bo: Yeah, somebody that Knowingly you know
Bo: tricked you into sending you know the goods.
Kate: Yeah, that's yeah.
Kate: I'm pretty sure I did keep my face out of
Kate: it.
Kate: I'm pretty sure I like to think, but yeah,
Kate: still like yeah.
Bo: The yeah, I like I have always been kind of
Bo: uncomfortable with that practice, you know.
Bo: Now.
Kate: Now they have a thing, though, where you
Kate: can't screen shot.
Kate: You can put it on like view once.
Kate: Yeah, then you can't screenshot it, you
Kate: can't do anything.
Kate: It's all like, if you miss it, that's it,
Kate: it's gone.
Bo: Oh, so anyway picking our, yeah, so so,
Bo: yeah definitely not right wing yeah.
Kate: Yeah so we've got the.
Kate: My name is, my name is Scott oh man Boy,
Kate: that's real rough I.
Bo: I think these are real, though Scott's
Bo: boobs are real, so that's a right Him
Bo: saying I have, I have a good sense of humor
Bo: and then making a my boobs a real joke.
Bo: That's oxymoronic, one of those things.
Bo: Yes, yeah, they don't compete so yeah, so
Bo: that's not great, but, like you said, he
Bo: might be hung.
Bo: Yeah and like he might be Filled to the
Bo: brim with dad jokes and bad puns.
Kate: I thought you were gonna say come.
Kate: But well, also that, probably that's a yeah,
Kate: common puns.
Bo: That's the bookshop I'm gonna open, so I
Bo: I'm thinking it's my name is Scott.
Kate: My name is Scott as well.
Bo: And and not just because of the good time
Bo: we had with him, but yeah, I think that I.
Kate: Mean.
Kate: He does have a sense of humor.
Kate: I can't say whether or not it's very good,
Kate: but it's a sense of humor and also, as well,
Kate: I like to think that I could rescue his
Kate: daughter.
Kate: Yes, come with me if you want to live.
Bo: Come with me if you want to be cool.
Kate: Yeah, exactly, come with me if you don't
Kate: want to be the lettered lifted.
Bo: You need to get away from your father now.
Bo: My name is Scott Quick.
Bo: Come with me.
Kate: Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah, but only Scott,
Kate: just to save the daughter and maybe Get
Kate: some dad jokes and maybe stretched out of
Kate: it.
Bo: Yeah, yeah, we stretch it out with the,
Bo: with the condom.
Bo: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure in fact.
Bo: Right, right, right.
Bo: You might Maybe just get them to make a
Bo: mold of it.
Kate: Maybe, yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, I can say it's
Kate: like a king, a special king of mine, not
Kate: personal to you, in that weird smell that's
Kate: coming from your genitals.
Kate: But you know my, my own kink.
Bo: This one has hairs in it.
Kate: Oh.
Bo: You're supposed to shave first.
Bo: 5 foot 10.
Kate: Like oh my god, you know what he does what.
Kate: I just saw this.
Kate: He works on a farm of course he does.
Bo: Of course he does.
Bo: I like the animals.
Bo: What, what type of Godate Cheerios out of
Bo: my palm and it tickled.
Kate: Fucking that explains so much.
Bo: Really like the animals sure or Well it's,
Bo: at least you know he's accurately describes
Bo: himself having a horse got cuz yeah, right,
Bo: he's got a comparison right it's right
Bo: there.
Bo: Scott, you're one in a million, sir.
Kate: Yeah, good stuff.
Bo: All right.
Bo: Well Kate what do you say we get out of
Bo: here?
Kate: Yeah, let's do it.
Bo: All right.
Bo: Where can people find more out of you
Bo: between now and when?
Bo: Next we talk about Romance and horror and
Bo: come in the eye.
Kate: Come in the nose the nostril far more
Kate: refined sure.
Bo: Oh yeah, only the best people Get come in
Bo: the nose.
Bo: Did you hear what happened to Barbara?
Bo: Come in the nose.
Kate: Oh.
Bo: She is ready coming up in the world.
Bo: No more vaginal coming for All facial
Bo: orpices.
Kate: Oh yeah, so the mouth is just so pass a
Kate: right.
Bo: I hear next, next spring, she's going to
Bo: get come in the air, oh.
Kate: No, I hope not.
Kate: My egg and I was a really narrow.
Bo: Well, that just means they're, you know,
Bo: ripped for his pleasure.
Kate: Yes, what's your question?
Kate: Where can you find me?
Kate: So, as earlier I said about my social
Kate: medias and listening stuff for money,
Kate: podcast Kate Anjou book review, so I
Kate: won't repeat that.
Kate: And then you can also find me on Eternal
Kate: darkness of not so spotless minds.
Kate: We we talk about horror movies, new and old.
Kate: We have lots of fun and shenanigans and
Kate: giggles and the occasional interview with
Kate: horror people which we started doing since
Kate: we go to festivals now.
Kate: We go to festivals now.
Bo: Oh well, have you heard about.
Bo: Barbara going to the festivals getting calm
Bo: in her ear.
Kate: No, I haven't Must find myself a ticket,
Kate: it's it brings new definition to upper
Kate: crust.
Bo: Oh, I won't take it back.
Bo: So, anyway, you're going to festivals.
Kate: That oh, yeah, we're going to festivals now,
Kate: well, yeah, so, anyway.
Kate: So yeah, we've got some stuff coming up
Kate: which will be cool and yeah, yeah, it's
Kate: good, it's good times.
Kate: So that's me and my co-host, matt, and you
Kate: can find us on all your usual listening
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Kate: That was not on YouTube, not yet.
Kate: Anyway, we're working on it and yeah, and
Kate: you can find us on Facebook and Instagram
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Kate: So, yeah, that's basically it, and
Kate: obviously this one.
Kate: What about you, bo?
Kate: What say you?
Bo: You know, dark parade is where you can find
Bo: all the stuff.
Bo: If you're listening to this, you're.
Bo: You're exactly where you need to be.
Bo: You're just settled back.
Bo: Let the, let the semen wash over you and
Bo: fill all the holes in your face.
Kate: Made easier by not wearing underwear.
Bo: Yeah, I feel like we've imparted a lot of
Bo: lessons tonight and that's the.
Bo: You know, as you said, it's entertainment,
Bo: but we went.
Bo: We went hard on the edgy of the
Bo: entertainment this time.
Kate: We did, we did.
Kate: Yeah, you're welcome, guys, don't say, we
Kate: don't give you nothing.
Bo: All right, bye everybody.
Kate: Bye.