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Maarten.

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Hoi

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Lisa,

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alles

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goed?

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Ja,

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gaat

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lekker.

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Ik

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las

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net

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weer

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zo'n

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verhit

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online

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debat

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over

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de

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'expat-invasie'

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in

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de

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grote

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steden.

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Mensen

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gaan

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echt

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helemaal

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los.

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Oh

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ja,

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die

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discussie

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weer

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volop

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gaande.

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Het

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een

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gevoelig

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onderwerp,

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hè.

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Absoluut.

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En

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het

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zo'n

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complex

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verhaal.

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Ja

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precies.

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Het

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wordt

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vaak

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heel

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zwart-wit

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gepresenteerd.

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Enerzijds

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heb

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je

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de

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economische

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voordelen,

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anderzijds

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de

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druk

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op

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bijvoorbeeld

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de

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woningmarkt.

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Precies!

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Bij

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mij

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op

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werk

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zitten

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best

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veel

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kennismigranten.

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Super

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slimme,

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leuke

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mensen

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die

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hier

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echt

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iets

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bijdragen.

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Maar

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ik

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snap

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ook

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de

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frustratie

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over

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de

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woningnood,

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zeker

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hier

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in

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Utrecht.

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Dat

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waar.

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Het

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een

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heel

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andere

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situatie

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dan

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met

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de

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gastarbeiders

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de

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jaren

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'70.

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Die

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kwamen

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hier

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voor

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heel

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ander

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werk,

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vaak

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in

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de

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industrie.

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Oh

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wacht,

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dat

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een

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goed

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punt.

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Mijn

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opa

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werkte

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de

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haven

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in

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Rotterdam

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die

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vertelde

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daar

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weleens

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over.

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perceptie

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was

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toen

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totaal

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anders,

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toch?

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Nou

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ja,

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anders

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toch

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weer

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niet.

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Er

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was

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toen

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een

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maatschappelijke

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discussie

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over

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integratie

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en

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cultuurverschillen.

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Alleen

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was

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de

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schaal

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misschien

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anders

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de

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focus

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lag

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andere

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sectoren

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arbeidsmarkt.

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En

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de

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term

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'gastarbeider'

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impliceert

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iets

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tijdelijks.

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Alsof

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bedoeling

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was

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dat

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weer

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terug

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zouden

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gaan.

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Exact.

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Terwijl

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veel

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hun

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families

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hier

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zijn

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gebleven

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nu

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volledig

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onderdeel

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zijn

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onze

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multiculturele

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samenleving.

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Ja,

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die

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daardoor

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juist

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zoveel

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rijker

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geworden.

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Ik

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kan

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me

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Nederland

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niet

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meer

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voorstellen

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zonder

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Turkse

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bakker

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of

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Surinaamse

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broodjeszaak.

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Nee,

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niet.

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Maar

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huidige

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discussie

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richt

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zich

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meer

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op

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die

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hoogopgeleide

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kennismigrant.

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Bedrijven

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als

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ASML

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zijn

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daar

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compleet

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afhankelijk

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van.

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Als

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die

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wegjaagt,

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schaad

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je

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het

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vestigingsklimaat

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enorm.

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Echt

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hè.

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Dan

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krijg

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straks

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'braindrain'

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maar

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dan

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andersom:

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de

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brains

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komen

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niet

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eens

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meer

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hierheen.

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Dat

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zou

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echt

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funest

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zijn

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voor

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onze

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welvaart

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de

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lange

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termijn.

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Eigenlijk

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wel.

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Maar

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je

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kunt

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problemen

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niet

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negeren.

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druk

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op

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publieke

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voorzieningen,

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het

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onderwijs,

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de

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zorg...

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Het

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een

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balanceeract.

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de

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integratie!

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Dat

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is

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ook

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zo'n

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ding.

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Ik

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hoor

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vaak

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dat

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expats

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in

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hun

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eigen

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'bubbel'

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leven

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nauwelijks

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Nederlands

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leren.

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dat

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jouw

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ervaring

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ook?

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Soms

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wel,

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maar

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zie

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ook

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het

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tegenovergestelde.

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Op

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mijn

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school

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heb

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