James Dooley: previous people might have known him as SEO autopilot there's quite a lot of different SAS and software now that Elias owns so I'm not going to dig too deep into your background Elias I think quite a lot of people might have seen previous videos about yourself um previously a a pilot and from Greece but I want to dig straight into stealth code and the different products that you have so if you give you just give the obviously you is actually just one minute background of who you are then um and then we'll dig straight into the tools the products the software and what you doing nowadays

Elias: yeah first of all thank you for having me James uh now I'm the coowner at stealth code the company software development company that we specialize in SEO software uh we are proudly uh proud doners of SEO Neo SEO autopilot Omega indexer and colink and we are constantly uh creating a new software new modules that uh helps um business owners or um SEO experts uh rank their websites all over the world

James Dooley: yeah that's a great introduction so obviously with stealth code um I've used all four different kind of view tools with regards to Colink which is like a Google crawler um Omega indexer for indexing SEO autopilot and now obviously SEO Neo so I'm excited for SEO Neo with regards to the APIs to be coming out um it's a new tool on the block for auto link building and and this that's the main tool that I kind of want to dig into a little bit deeper because obviously this has been progressed what I love about your developers and your programmers is that the whole team understand SEO where there's other tools out there where they're just programmers and they don't understand why people are wanting to use the tool where your team understand and keep breaking the SERP and keep breaking with exactly pushing the boundaries of what's working with regards to link building so I want to just dig deep into mainly into SEO Neo but obviously we can touch upon the others as well so first and foremost a question that I get asked quite a lot about your SAS and your software is is can SEO autopilot or SEO Neo can that be used for tier one B links or just tier two back links what's your thoughts on

Elias: no definitely the um you can use uh both tools for tier one backlinks because there are so many high quality and Authority websites on both uh software that there is no reason why not to to point those uh um links directly to your money site you can get links from all major public web twos or uh major Public Authority links you can get back link from uh from Pinterest from Weebly from WordPress from Tumblr from Goodridge from Issuu you name it we have hundreds of high quality backlinks that you can point directly to your money site

James Dooley: yeah for sure I think anyone who's watching this expanding on it is me being a user um all these tools I use it both directly to my money sites and also to my tier 2s so if I go and get some guest posts and I want to initially power those up in a bit you'll hear a little bit about um Elias's strategy about the RD 100 where he talks specifically about each URL should be trying to get 100 referring domains so how many of you are building guest posts and not powering those guest posts up you should be powering them up you should initially be indexing them obviously as a start but then you should be powering them up with tier 2 tier three back links so obviously now digging deeper into it like we do use it as well I think you've I think I've heard one or two other interviews that you've had and it's like would you want Pinterest or Tumblr linking directly to your money site of as long as it's relevant of course you would right the I mean even non-relevant links move the needle but if it's a relevant Pinterest link of course you'd want that pointing directly to your money site so yes the answer for me I just wanted to hear it from your mouth that it can be used both for tier one and also for tier 2 purposes I want to dig a little bit deeper now into the tools for image ranking specifically for a little bit because a lot of people ask you the questions with regards to ranking web pages but they're not actually checking about ranking images and a lot of people in the SEO community don't know how to rank images so the people go out there saying oh go and buy this Fiverr gig and get your image being shared in on other web twos but what I don't hear people doing is saying go and use SEO Neo or go and use SEO autopilot to get ranking your images so can you just give one or two kind of strategies for people that aren't using yet SEO Neo what you recommend for ranking specifically images in Google image tab

Elias: yeah yeah sure uh well for for me it's um quite easy because I use four four strategies okay the first one is uh pretty much uh obvious you can get your money sites URL and use those URLs those images are as images inside a multimedia rich article web two or PDF upload group um and then of course you will build tier twos to pass authority to your tier ones and your image will get the credits uh the second uh the second one is um I take the um image URL H and use it as money site so I build links directly to the to the um image URL uh the third uh strategy is to get the image URL create an iframe and use the iframe inside the uh web too and use a different strategy a different diagram to create image stacking because I interconnect strategically those assets uh so the authority from uh the lower tiers passes uh quicker to the tier one and then uh you can rank the image and the fourth uh type is a combination of all previous three and it is really it is um easy to rank him as it's nowadays so

James Dooley: we got to the first strategy so one of them was building links to the image URL one of them was getting the image into an iframe and embedding it onto um the Web 2.0 or whatever kind of links that they are the first strategy was that just literally getting the image native file and uploading it to the Web 2.0 not no link back

Elias: no no it's it's just literally getting it on that site and via linking version because your your site is stronger you should be showing your image it's not going to show duplicate images you see so it's going to show your image cuz your hopefully your page is stronger than where you placed it on to

James Dooley: is that correct

Elias: exactly this is correct this is correct

James Dooley: yeah perfect so now moving on to video rankings um I know there's quite a lot of people that are using yourself with regards to video rankings so what strategy do you recommend for ranking videos both either in YouTube or in Google video tab

Elias: yeah so since we are uh going to use um Google assets uh YouTube URL then we can be super uh aggressive okay so again there are three three strategies the first one is to get the the video embed and use it on link groups that allows multimedia rich content and that is web twos uh PDF upload websites and cloud cloud links Cloud blogs yeah we can talk later about Cloud blogs because I think this is the it is a game changer changing changer in um SEO now so I build a a lot of tier ones using uh the YouTube iframe and then the second strategy is I use the YouTube URL and be um more aggressive you know with the anchor text I use um at least 60% exact match primary keywords and 30% um branded keywords and 10% generic or plain URLs you know just for the eyes of Google and then the difference is that for tier twos I do a comment blast I create 200,000 blogs blog comments okay using SEO of course and that does the job

James Dooley: yeah so with regards to the second strategy where you're doing the links again is that links directly just not not embed just link to the YouTube URL

Elias: yes with an anchor text and they're mainly exact match anchors yes and also on all strategies I always always index my tier ones with Omega

James Dooley: yeah and use Colink the Google crawler uh for all my tier 2 plus

Elias: yeah okay so let's talk about that because that's one of the questions that I have in the list so what is the difference between Omega indexer and Colink can you let people know what the difference is between those two tools

James Dooley: yeah okay so uh indexing uh consists of two phases the first phase is uh the crawling Okay Google Bot crawls your page and the second phase is um the indexing okay the Bot scrolls and stores uh your your uh data and then the second phase is indexing uh because indexing uh these days is very very difficult to to achieve and it is expensive okay to have all those uh kind of servers and all the technical data um many users they are using crawlers they are using Colink so uh if your link is getting crawled then it passes the link juice okay that's a fact

Elias: yeah um so if you don't want uh to display on search your tier ones then you will just use a crawler if you want to display on search your assets then you you will need to to use an indexer that does all the whole process so

James Dooley: we got so Colink Colink comes and gets Google bot to come and crawl the page what's then Omega doing on top of it to then index that page in Google uh okay so we are going to discuss about the cheap index in way uh that you can get around 40% uh indexing and the more expensive but a lot more effective okay so the cheap way is this to to use a Google crawler to use Colink to crawl your links and then do a comment blast okay so the combination of those two eventually leads to indexing but uh if you want to make sure that in less than uh 14 days your assets H will get indexed then you're going to use Omega

Elias: yeah okay and then with going on search no no I I mean that everything is a matter of budget

James Dooley: yeah yeah and then moving on then with regards to so we've talked about image ranking and video ranking obviously a Hot Topic is GMB are Google Business profiles I know a lot of people with a lot of success using what you was talking about like the cloud blogs and um GMB stacking and stuff like that so do you want to expand on that a little bit with how people can be using SEO Neo to rank their Google Business profiles

Elias: yeah sure and this is one of my favourites now yeah okay so again I have uh three h three main strategies okay the first one is what I call branded uh GMB okay so I use only three GMB URLs the main GMB URL with the CID the review URL and the post URL post URL okay so what I do is um I'm using assets uh again multimedia R uh because I want the GMB map embed map to uh be present on those um assets um start and using anchor text uh primary uh basically and more uh branded URLs okay from the Branded GMB yeah and I do you know the normal link building the tier ones tier twos and stuff like this the second method is that I'm using a heat map I create a heat map that consists of uh 13 by 13 um spots circles okay places that gives us 169 uh different circles so then I go to each circle I get the the coordinates each circle has coordinates and I create direction URLs to my GMB then I copy the link that Google um produces and I create a list of 169 uh URLs then initially I take all those 169 URLs and I do a comment blast because again we are using Google asset so we don't care about demoting or penalty or something stuff like this and I create 200,000 comment blocks okay you know to start moving the needle yeah then imagine the uh the square the 13 x 13 square that has uh rows so each row has 13 URL then I take each row 13 URLs I create separate campaigns and create super high Authority uh links to it okay um of course I use Omega to trigger uh indexing I know that those links are not getting in indexed but I want to make sure that um all of those URLs will get crawled yeah okay and then I keep doing campaigns until my heat map is green okay the end result is a one to three position and all is green

James Dooley: do you ever expand that slightly once you've got it all green and you got the 13 by a 13 grid do you ever try to expand it to like a big radius and then go after the outside again until you get to a point where it's diminishing returns

Elias: uh um I just keep it as being just in the area no no no I I never did that because you know uh we don't have uh clients that we are selling SEO services yeah

James Dooley: yeah yeah yeah but we do a lot of tests with friends for example I have now a friend that has a restaurant in in Athens in Monastiraki for example okay so I do uh with his consent I do uh those tests for him yeah know in four months you know the results are amazing I mean I need a couple of months uh more and everything will be green

Elias: yeah yeah yeah no that's brilliant so let's jump on to the the RD 100 strategy there's a lot of people that talk about this can you explain to people what is the RD 100 strategy that you talk about

James Dooley: yes um I will I will give an example of uh many people that um they are complaining that in every Google algorithm update they are losing their half of their PBN or they are losing all of their PBNs um or they are doing a press release um campaigns but they don't see results or they are doing guest post and they don't see results you know all the this kind of stuff and the main problem is that uh they have on all these assets they have outbound links but zero inbound links so the ratio uh outbound links to inbound links is negative and this is a huge red flag for Google so six years now six years now I am um I saw that the URLs tier ones with um at least at least 60 uh referring domains they are performing way better in u the result that they they deliver yeah to your money side and six years now I did a ton of tests and I saw a huge spike on in the rankings even for competitive keywords yeah and from from uh six years now I'm using this strategy which is uh Google algorithm proof you you don't do you know something uh know black hat or or something or something that it is unnatural you are just powering up your assets which totally totally normal you know it's it's logic if if you if you put the logic uh inside you will see that um okay yes um I need to build links to for two reasons the the first reason is to pass link juice from the lower tiers to my tier one and then uh to my money side yeah reason is that if you own a PBN network then uh you will always keep your PBN uh fresh yeah okay so uh Google will see that your PBN's are uh getting attention all the time yeah yeah yeah so the concept behind uh RD 100 is that we always build 100 um uh referring domains to each one of our good tier ones yeah okay

Elias: yeah I mean that's a great strategy there's so many people whether they're doing guest posts or like you said PBNs and yes they're buying maybe a powerful domain initially for a PBN but then like you said if anything with link loss the link the referring domain counts is going down and down and down as well so it's not even staying the same it's actually going down because they lose some links and then not building any new but just keep linking out and then wondering why they've been hit and you're like no specs but you deserve to be hit if you're not powering up your existing properties

James Dooley: moving away from um from that now just a random question with regards to SEO Neo what type of clients are actually using this is this like have you got like SAS companies using it local lead gen is it affiliate is it e-commerce SEO agencies like what what's kind of the client base um used up as is it everyone that's looking to rank in Google that's using your your tools

Elias: yes we have uh all all the mix that um you just mentioned yeah but um after the uh conference that I was a speaker in Arizona in SEO spring training um we see that more agencies um starting uh cooperating with us yeah big huge agencies um USA US agencies but uh we have all you know all kinds of uh clients even um you know uh guys that sell gigs in Fiverr with huge success yeah

James Dooley: I mean to be honest with you it was one of them questions that anyone who wants to rank higher in Google or even in Bing as well to be fair or wants to rank images or wants to rank videos should be trying out the tool because it doesn't matter whether you're SAS or whether you're e-commerce or local SEO it's the same algorithm it works in all niches all niches need good quality content and links so I just I was just seeing what it was made up of was the more affiliate or was the more lead generation our e-commerce and stuff like that but going in going into then um SEO Neo uh which my opinion is a more advanced version of your previous tour which was SEO autopilot so within SEO Neo what I love about it is you can create your own diagrams of tier ones and tier 2s you can even have tier three back links or tier four back links I think I've heard you saying you've actually got some campaigns which go 10 tiers deep right which is pretty impressive um I've never done it that deep I've not I've gone down to tier fours to power up the tier 3s to power up the tier 2s to power up the tier ones which obviously then power up the money side but within those diagrams um there's a few different types of links that can be used so I just want to touch on what different types of links they are and which ones you think if someone only choose a couple of those type of links which ones do you think are the most beneficial so if I just work on the list one the first one is social bookmarking um can you just explain to people just in case someone says what is social bookmarking within your tool

Elias: yeah sure now first of all uh the way that uh you need someone to to use a strategy uh basically all diagrams are my own strategies that I am sharing with everyone because we want everyone to have a success okay yeah so um the as a rule of thumb uh in SEO is that you need to to use as tier ones always as tier ones link groups that uh they are of high Authority okay yeah you will get only quality tier ones those link groups are web twos um of Authority links the group uh PDF upload websites and high quality social bookmarking uh group okay yeah now um social bookmarking websites are websites that allows you to to store in one place your favourite web pages so the you give a title of your uh web page and this title is um an anchor okay so you're are using your uh keyword there and your targeted URL is the URL that it is attached to this uh anchor uh now um I'm sorry Ino you will of course you will also use as tier ones the cloud blogs okay yeah um now uh web twos everybody knows web twos yeah we support all major web twos uh the Authority links is a a great great link group that uh has only a title which is again the anchor and a short bio yeah uh so you can use Authority links to increase your metrics your domain Authority and your uh page Authority yeah okay it is a very very powerful uh link diagram and then and then on your tier 2 diagram you've got URL shorteners Wiki and profile links for anyone that doesn't know cuz you I just know there's going to be some people that are going to look at these diagrams and say like what is what is the URL short what is the wiki what are the profiling are those just used at tier two and are you using Colink Colink Ray to those and to the tier ones you're using Omega indexer

James Dooley: yeah now um I I want to clarify something that um SEO autopilot SEO Neo they are tools that were built from SEOs to SEOs okay yeah there are some pre-made strategies but and of course there are a ton of features that an SEO can use yeah so my opinion it is not the tool that uh will make you rank it is you as an SEO expert which strategy you will implement that's why we have the diagram editor so uh all SEOs um one SEO can create and implement the strategy that he's already using yeah so um of course you you can use all of the link groups that they are available but um it is uh what I said before that you you must use those uh four or five link groups for your tier ones and for tier twos does not matter a lot about what you are going to use for example URL shorteners h it is a very very good uh group to to trigger again Google bots yeah um profile links and web two links uh not not web two blogs web two links link profiles for example yeah there are H links that they will just move the the juice yeah so as an SEO you must uh understand what link link group does yeah but uh we are always happy to to help SEOs understand better we have um Advanced support u center that everyone can um ask their question and also we have have a built a a very good community on our Facebook group yeah okay so everyone can uh ask anything

Elias: do does anyone use Colink create or Omega indexer for properties that are not in SEO Neo or SEO autopilot like if I went and bought some guest posts could I use Colink create or Omega index for those as well

James Dooley: yes yes of course it is um I think it is a must because yeah you you already know that uh you can build 1,000 links and without crawling or indexing Google may find them after eight months yeah okay so it is imperative for all SEOs to use either a crawler or an indexer yeah and then with regards to the tier ones or the tier two back links within SEO Neo or autopilot what with regards to the content that's being shared on there what how's that being written at present have you got to provide the content and then do you spin it like what are you using within the tool

Elias: yeah this is the main difference from one of the main differences from SEO autopilot and SEO Neo in SEO autopilot you must provide the content and you must spin the content okay yeah in as you know uh we are we are using new technologies so we have implemented OpenAI so you can import your API OpenAI API key and you can create unlimited amount of articles directly from uh ChatGPT yeah now um last week we have uh also added Custom Custom prompts because there were default prompts only on OpenAI now we have introduced custom prompts so you can create whatever content uh you want and of course your your um life is easier with SEO Neo uh I don't know if H you already saw a module that it's called Wizards yeah yeah in Wizards um what you can do is to for example you have you got a an e-commerce website and there are 30 um category URLs yeah you can uh use the strategy for example from zero to hero and you can put only once your inputs and the software depending the targets the the um um the category URLs that you got it's going to create uh the equivalent amount in a campaigns yeah if you got an e-commerce website you just do for 1 hour your uh your inputs and then software will run for 30 days for you yeah okay so when one campaign finishes then the next one starts automatically so yeah yeah you you gain a ton of time yeah okay and this is how our e-commerce um clients are scaling up their businesses yeah okay because they they say okay I'm going to schedule uh two months campaign three months campaigns yeah then they are focusing in in other stuff they are focusing for example to uh get press releases campaigns then they are doing um isolated campaigns on SEO yeah okay and of course OpenAI helps a lot on their efforts

James Dooley: yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah for any for anyone who's watching this video I'm asking um Elias questions and all this I actually know the answers to a lot of these cuz I'm actually using the tool and I want to expand on a couple of reasons why I think SEO Neo is absolutely amazing and certain little advanced tricks of what you can be doing so with regards to what Eli is talking about you can use OpenAI to get content to be written but what you can do right and this is what a lot of people don't do is you should be utilising these web 2.0s and properties not only for link building but for E-A-T signals this is part of EAT SEO right so what you can be doing is is your author at present got experience expertise authorship and trust in the topic it's talking about if not why are you not using SEO Neo to start building not only links through to the website but mentioning the author on third party websites and it now starts to build up the a EAT signals so there's also there's certain companies out there that have won many awards but they don't show out and scream about the awards that they've won so instead of just using SEO Neo for link building you could be within the content shouting and screaming about all the awards that you've won which again is a great EAT signal cuz now your author is coming across as being okay they're an expert on the topic but also you're shouting and screaming everywhere online about what awards the company of won and it's a huge factor a huge beneficial factor that you can use SEO Neo for E-A-T link building strategies have you ever does anybody else do that at present Elias like I know we're doing it quite a lot but others building links using let's say the author name has being the anchor text or using it to shout scream about kind of awards that have been won for E-A-T signals

Elias: h no I never did it I don't know but I'm pretty sure that it makes sense to to use it it's a Hu it's a huge factor it's it's so beneficial because it allows like you said to shout and scream about the all you end up getting like what's classed as being an author brand search so if I was to type in James dooley plus horse racing for example if I've got a horse racing blog people want to know or Google wants to know am I am I an authority to do with horse racing and when you search that if I've got lots and lots of articles and these Web 2.0 articles are ranking which majority of the time they do once you put into Omega indexer now I'm starting to be seen to be an authority on that topic and it attaches my name to the topic and that's what a lot of E-A-T signals is is link building um and people all think that it's on page factors like having your telephone number and an email address and all these on the website that all helps to tr to build trust but Google are mainly doing this algorithmically um and that's generally how they do quite a bit of it

James Dooley: but another one as well I'm just showing some examples to the viewers of where your tool is amazing when we go into any Google news articles the minute we go under a Google news article once we start to get your tool sharing this and linking to the article there's a buzzing of virality that comes around that article this is specifically for Google news and what what SEO Neo does is it triggers the top stories in Google and it also triggers that the article gets in Google Discovery and a lot of people ask the question James how do you manage to get a lot of your websites in Google Discovery and it's that virality that you can do the minute that page goes live and if you do get like social signals as well but you're getting a lot of your links going through to that page it gets that virality to that page and Google then promotes it into top stories and promotes it into Google discovery which is an unbelievable help I feel like a lot of people talk about SEO Neo or SEO autopilot for images videos and GMBs but they don't really talk too much in my opinion about it for E-A-T reputation management getting into Google Discovery and actually branding like we we also use it for and I'm sure you have certain clients that do reputation management or crisis management so can you then try to start ranking obviously you've got your website ranking here but can I go and get all your pages ranking and I do tier ones and a power up with tier 2s to try to get them ranking to sink any negative articles that's out there it SEO Neil is one of the best reputation management tools that there is um but a lot of people just think of it just solely for ranking websites and stuff like that so when we're doing all of our our stacking of tier ones tier twos and tier 3s we're trying to utilise the content to like you said for E-A-T for branding building up the brand search reputation management as well as Google news as well so I just wanted to give you some feedback of like almost saying thank you for the tool that you've made you can tell that your SEO first as a team that the product is a great product we use it on a day-to-day basis but we're using it for so many different things because nowadays traffic diversity is key trying to get traffic from as many different places as possible not just Google web search but even Bing Bing search is it gets quite a lot of clicks from Bing Google Images Google videos from YouTube from Google news from Google discover from all these different places that you can generate traffic from back to your website and building up your brand um it's it's crazy do you have anything to add on to that of where you've seen others using it for Google news or for brand reputation management and stuff like that

Elias: yeah you know most of the SEO agencies all over the world they are missing um this opportunity of uh dealing with reputation management or crisis management yeah reputation management is of course way easier than crisis management but yeah since we are living in a crazy world and scandals are present you know every week we hear a scandal so I will tell you um my experience 10 years ago there was a huge scandal in Greece um and it was a huge pharmaceutical company and because I was so confident that I can deal with this crisis I sent them an email and told them okay these are your results uh nine out of 10 results in the first page they are negative so I can help you with the with and after you know 8 months there were only positive uh results yeah okay you can tell me all right Google do Greece is uh easier to um to do this than the google.com but crisis is crisis a reputation is reputation and at the end of the day what an SEO expert needs or an SEO agency needs is to increase its profit

James Dooley: yeah for sure I think I think another one as well which you talk um a little bit about I don't I don't hear others talking about this and it's key right so I'm a massive advocate for pillowing and foundational links so trying to get that link type diversity anchor text diversity and as many different referring domains as I can coming back to my website before I even start to look at doing guest posts link inserts Niche edits PBNs try to make certain you've got that diversity put in place but you talk quite a lot about link source diversity as well now we've always been a massive advocate of pillowing and stuff like that but can you get as many different link sources as possible back to your site and that's something else that we've now started to do a lot more of like can we get image links PDF links not just the traditional contextual links coming back to your site and I think link source diversity is something that you've I've I've I've only heard it from you literally in the whole of the SEO community and we've adapted that kind of strategy into pillowing all of our links before we start doing any sort of exact match anchors we go and get those naked URLs um and stuff like that go and build them up to start with and and and then start to go with an exact match or a keyword rich anchor text and LSI type anchors and yeah I think you're a huge advocate of that and I think that's very important do you want to expand a little bit on the link source diversity and pillowing of B links

Elias: yeah yeah so I personally um I do the pillowing only with the URLs for the first month yeah we have a strategy it's called The Domain Authority stacking where we use only web twos but um no uh no anchors at all not even generic only plain URLs 100% plain URLs so that way on the second month um we are 100% sure that uh we will uh start building exact anchors and doing the link diversity in a a more natural way okay not all in but you know we can use another diagram for example data leaks uh it's a very good diagram to use after your pillowing technique with plain URLs um now the link source diversity is uh what you called link type diversity I think it is the same thing that we need to to get backlinks from uh different uh HTML codes from different platforms okay that is why we we will use WordPress site we will use Joomla site we will use uh social bookmarking it's a different uh code yeah okay and that produces um those amazing results yeah and also what what we didn't mention is that uh in SEO Neo we have a special module about uh self-hosted WordPress yeah so in order to power up your PBN there's no need you know to if you have a 300 um network uh 300 blog network or maybe 1,000 sites you can upload the SEO Neo and you can create a a specific diagram according to your needs yeah and do scheduled campaign for one year using OpenAI as content and yeah you can build content to your PBNs for one year and you don't need to do anything else

James Dooley: yeah yeah and if you're doing that as well if you are a link seller let's say on a PBN if those are getting new fresh links coming in and the traffic is going up you can start charging more per link on that PBN as well so it just makes sense for you to do it not only to maintain it but if you're growing that PBN in traffic then you can start charging more well so it just it just makes common sense to treat your PBNs almost like it a money site if you get what I mean and keep trying to grow that so away from this first and foremost anyone that's not used SEO Neo check out the link in the description I've actually got a link in the description which is a testimonial and a review from myself about SEO Neo I actually get Elias on the video as as well with me just to talk about a few bits um but I strongly recommend anyone who's not signed up yet to Neo to do that and then away from the tools and stuff Elias what conferences if someone wants to come and see you at an SEO conference what what conferences are you going to this year or next year is there anyone you want to give a shout out to who's helped you in the SEO community I know you talk highly of people like SEO Terry Samuels and Clint Butler um to go to SEO spring training which I'm definitely trying to get there next year Terry Samuels has asked me a few times to come over and it's just been bad timing with kids and the misses being pregnant and stuff like that previously so I definitely want to come over and try to get networking with that group of people but is there any other conferences that you recommend or people can come and see yourself

Elias: yeah uh first of all uh I need to say that um SEO spring training was uh one of the best conferences I've ever been okay so you know the the people the the Samuels family the other speakers uh the networking it was an amazing experience and uh I've met a lot of uh new friends that uh we are uh going to cooperate with and all with stealth code generally now uh the next conference that I'll be speaking is SEO Rockstars uh November 11 on in Vegas and on March March 5th 2025 in Miami SEO on the beach from U Michael Merlino yeah they will a cool guys like M Lear like I love I want to try and get over there as well like there yeah I love m he's a he's a great guy

James Dooley: yeah he's brilliant basically we are also uh start um doing you know some preparations uh for our own SEO conference in Greece hopefully it will be at the end of June 2025 where it is an official proposal to you to come as a speaker in I'd yeah be good yeah in Athens in Greece is very beautiful there yeah um and of course as your spring training uh next year I think it will be early in May yeah it's not going to be in April it's will be early in May but uh yeah those conferences but definitely you should go to SEO spring training in Arizona um it is an amazing conference

Elias: yeah yeah Terry Samuels has asked me to speak there and um I'm trying to move a few bits of but yeah I'm definitely looking to try and get over there next year um I love the crowd I love the community I think they're all great people that attend they all do so much for the community

James Dooley: I want to I want to wrap this video up by saying like a thank you to yourself Elias for the work that you do and how much you help the SEO community sometimes it might not be being noticed by the masses um obviously you've got the community like uh spring training that will know and and will thank you but there is thousands out there that you've changed lives for the the tools that you creating is helping them to grow so personally for myself I want to say thank you um that's why I wanted to get you on I love Omega indexer I love Colink create um I've I've I liked previously SEO autopilot I've now kind of moved on to SEO Neo um and yeah I just want to say for myself s thank you very much and it's been a pleasure having you on

Elias: thank you very very much James you know the the pleasure is is ours that uh you show such a trust to to our company to our software with your help we are going to uh become even better we are going to add modules or if you uh know something that works we will be happy to implement it in SEO Neo and all the other software

James Dooley: and I'm going to see you at our conference next year yeah I'd love or earlier in a um a conference in um United Kingdom yeah yeah yeah yeah we can s we can start something I'd love to come over to Greece because I've got one or two Greek partners in one or two businesses as well so I'll kind of kill two birds with one stone there and um get them to come and attend it but I love that as well like you sat there as being the owner and you've already got the best tool on the marketplace but you're consistently looking to improve like I love the attitude of every day is a school day and pretty much the attitude I always say this to the team if you don't innovate you're going to evaporate so you've always got to be innovating and trying to strive forward and always try to be a better version of yourself every single day and I love the fact that if there is something that we think could be improved the minute we reach out to you you programmers are working on it and improving upon it and I think that's why you've got to the top and why you've got the best tools on the marketplace and I'd say just from myself like keep keep that attitude even though you're at the top don't become complacent and always try to keep striving to improve upon it because the algorithms do change and next week there might be one or two new systems that might need to be implemented and having that attitude is is great for the community in the industry

Elias: yeah uh thank you very much again and so yeah cheers Elias see you now

James Dooley: thank you bye bye