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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in once again

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bible Guys. I am Chris and I'm Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're your Bible Guys because Jeff is on

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<v Speaker 1>this mission across the world helping people get to know

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus to the Timothy Initiative, and we are in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a series called Dangerous Prayers, ran about surrendered

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, this whole week has been quite a journey, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been Isaiah in heaven talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>send me God, and then we talked about Moses who says, okay, God,

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<v Speaker 1>show me your glory. You know, I want your presence

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<v Speaker 1>to be with me. What a dangerous prayer, right, to

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<v Speaker 1>desire God's glory more than anything else. And then yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the disciples who are faced with a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard truth, who say, God, help us to increase

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<v Speaker 1>our faith. Right, so think about that, you know, send

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<v Speaker 1>me on whatever mission you want. God, help me to

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<v Speaker 1>know your presence more than anything else. And God increased

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<v Speaker 1>my faith so that I can do what you asked

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<v Speaker 1>me to do. Those are three dangerous prayers, and today

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually talking about the prayer that Paul prayed about

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<v Speaker 1>the thorn in his flesh. What is known as the thorn.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always hated that phrase. I've always hated it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, because it's not a literal thorn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just for some reason, when we

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<v Speaker 1>when we attach things to you know, it's just become

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<v Speaker 1>known as the thorn.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, it's like it's like he never you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess a translation referred to as the thorn. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>why where the name came from. Yeah, but anyway, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So before we even get into that, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be playing this game. It's guess the word. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be the host of this game. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you know this, but people call me the

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<v Speaker 2>king of catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, because that's what that's what that's how this is Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, wrote this game and ord this made this

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<v Speaker 2>and she knows that if she's been to my house

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<v Speaker 2>a few times in which we've played the game catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll be honest, although I am good at catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife, I have to minute. She'll she may not

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this podcast right now for this day, but

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<v Speaker 2>she is definitely better than me. Kristen. Yeah, she's not

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<v Speaker 2>a competitive person at all, but for some reason catchphrase,

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<v Speaker 2>she gets very competitive. She's good queen, She's the queen. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a word.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this is sort of like taboo.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're listening online, if you're watching online on video,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to try to do, hopefully is put

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<v Speaker 1>all the forbidden words on the screen so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can watch along with us and make sure that Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make a blunder. Yes, so watch yourself, monitor yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be careful. So basically, there's a word that I

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<v Speaker 2>want Chris to say, but I have to avoid saying

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<v Speaker 2>these other words that you're going to see on this

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<v Speaker 2>The audience should race me, all right, So we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Yes, this word is something you will eat

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<v Speaker 2>in Apple. Nope, it's something you may get at doat

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<v Speaker 2>Francesca's probably a basic thing on the menu.

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<v Speaker 1>Lasagna.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it's even more basic than that lapasta. Nope, it's

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the saphistic part of that. Yes, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say those words. Nope. It's it's like basic man, it's chef. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. Boom, spehetty.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, this one is gonna be tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, No, you can't move on yet. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell us the words that you are not allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't say pasta, noodles, Italian sauce, or meatballs.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, by the way, once I say the words, you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to say that, okay. So if I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I said pasta, you can say what's another word for

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<v Speaker 1>past There you go, you could say that.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next one, this one's gonna be a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So this maybe somebody is a magician and

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<v Speaker 2>they would do this. They will, no, they would shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one word and it's something where they're uh teleport Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>shoot a word. I almost just said, okay, So they're

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<v Speaker 2>making you think something that isn't actually there an illusion. Boom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the word illusion. Nice work, all right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>words I couldn't say were magic, trick, deception, mirage, or fake. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So good job. Do you I know that's kind of hard.

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<v Speaker 1>That was tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I said, magician, I don't know, hopefully I

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know how I would say illusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A lot of times the way I approach this

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<v Speaker 1>game is I try to go at a different angle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, like, it's like, what's that movie with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Illusionist? So yeah, cut it down illusion. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's even like for the spaghetti One's why I

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<v Speaker 2>went with Duffern Chessca's. Cana know you like the place,

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<v Speaker 2>but okay, this next one is can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be brewal although I do like daffern Chesca's, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know it beats it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's it's my spot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's number one for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice all right. So third one here, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>word here where basically you can fall into it. You

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<v Speaker 2>may see this on a beach, a pit. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>in movies. Something you might see in movies, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>something where you end up falling into it and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to get out of this thing. You may

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<v Speaker 2>see like Indiana Jones, you know, like an Indiana Jones

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<v Speaker 2>type thing where they are quick sand yes, boom okay,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't say sink, No, sink. You can't say sink. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't say trap, desert, mud or struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, because sink would have given yes. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Okay, all right. Fourth one, all right, oh, here

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<v Speaker 2>at these ones here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is hard, Yeah, these are these are decently tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay. Fourth one is it's it's an attribute that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody may have character nom mm, integrity, thank you, get

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<v Speaker 2>me go, Oh my gosh, this is tough. Okay. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also something in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's something that may go out at your home.

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<v Speaker 1>Electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that is one of the words. It's electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is power?

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<v Speaker 2>Power? Thank you? Attribute somebody may have as I went

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<v Speaker 2>wrong on that west So it's strength, energy, electricity, control,

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<v Speaker 2>and authority. So it did a good job of locking it.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you said electricity, that was great, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And and the word was power.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, power. That's why I said it's something you can

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<v Speaker 2>lose in a home. You said electricity, where does it

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<v Speaker 2>come from?

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said, like the old he Man cartoon says,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the blank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I need to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it. Yeah, pop culture things. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go this next one. Yea, it's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of white as far black colors. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the first word. And then this is something you would

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<v Speaker 2>fall into, black pit. Nope, something else you'd fall into.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, yes, no, it's it's a black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't even say anything. You just got there

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<v Speaker 2>right so that the words were uh, space, gravity, galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>universe or suck. So for you, I feel like when

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<v Speaker 2>I went with your your strategy of opposite of white black,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. So you gotta dude, that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get all five? Next work?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? All right? So speaking question is did the

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<v Speaker 1>fans beat me?

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<v Speaker 2>Did the fans beat you? Yees? So I guess let

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<v Speaker 2>us know. I meant we mentioned this a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days ago. We love to read your comments. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you know what's but his comments. You're yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she comments all the times, very encouraging words. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, just that could be a reason to start

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<v Speaker 2>reading the comments. Let us know if you beat us

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<v Speaker 2>in that game you beat Chris and that game beat me.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I once thought I was the king of catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 2>That was tough, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you my good friends Maria and Craig Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>dear friends of ours. Yeah, I bet you that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to comment because I mentioned the restaurant that they

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<v Speaker 1>always take us to, Leciouse. Yes, and they're going to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh my goodness, Yes, Maria Craig say hi. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to this, yes, say say hi. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>all you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say. Then everybody else tune in to see Marie

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<v Speaker 1>and Craig say hi. Yes, So everybody engage. Everybody writes something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let us know. I mean, that's so that's their

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<v Speaker 2>favorite spot, is Luciano's right?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear on that comment. Let us know

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<v Speaker 2>what your favorite local restaurant is. It might be nice

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<v Speaker 2>to show some love to local fun spots, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>local spots, local restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So clearly that was not a weakness of

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<v Speaker 2>yours or mine that game, right, you'd say that was

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<v Speaker 2>a strength of yours? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Oh good?

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<v Speaker 2>But Josh, some people. This kind of thing may be

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<v Speaker 2>a weakness, and today we're actually going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>turning your weakness into a strength. Whow as we lean

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<v Speaker 2>into Second Corinthians twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's good. Right, you took the assignment seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you really did well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw weakness and I was like, oh that

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<v Speaker 2>was good. That was the strength of yours. Because if

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been my segue. But anyways, you are good.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we're going to be reading in Second Corinthians

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<v Speaker 2>in chapter twelve, and as Chris mentioned earlier, it's about dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous prayers of surrender. Second Corinthians. You good if I

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<v Speaker 2>start yep? All right? Twelve one through ten says this,

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<v Speaker 2>this boasting is Paul speaking. This boasting will do no good,

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<v Speaker 2>but I must go on. I will reluctantly tell about

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<v Speaker 2>the visions and revelations from the Lord. I was caught

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<v Speaker 2>up to the Third Heaven fourteen years ago. Whether I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Only God knows. Yes, only God knows whether

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<v Speaker 2>to keep me from becoming proud, I was given a

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<v Speaker 2>he said, my grace is all you need. My power

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the most found on paradoxical statements in

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many other ones, but you know, in order

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<v Speaker 1>so many different opposite kind of things, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>why it's powerful is because the concept is deeper than most. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like what he's really saying is he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a human part of yourself and you're gifted, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gifted in all sorts of strong ways. You have

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<v Speaker 1>all these gifts that you know that that allow you

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<v Speaker 1>to progress in this world. And you know, being a

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom and all these different things. But whenever you operate

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<v Speaker 1>in your own strengths. It's it's less of a spotlight

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<v Speaker 1>on God's power in your life. So you could say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a really talented person could operate in their

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<v Speaker 1>We've certainly seen those the share of those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>people right where it's like, wow, they're just a phenomenal,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nothing about the power of God. And then sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not the majority. But oftentimes we'll see a pastor

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<v Speaker 1>fall and we'll say, well, that's because it was he

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about him, right, or you know whoever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that I think that this concept is

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<v Speaker 1>so deep because what it's saying is it's saying that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you're deficient, you have no choice but to rely

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<v Speaker 1>on the power of God in your life. And it's like, well, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in capable. It's like Gideon, right, It's like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>incapable of doing these things, and God's like, perfect, You're

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where I want you to be, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>David goes out there to fight Goliath. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't put on Saw's armor perfect. Now you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>God's strength come through because there's no way you could

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<v Speaker 1>defeat Golias like this, right, I mean, come on, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he was a good shot with the slang, but

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<v Speaker 1>that hadn't been gotten right. And so it's like, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it means. It means Paul is saying, like

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<v Speaker 1>It's credentials. Think about Paul. There was nobody that could

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<v Speaker 1>have boasted more than Paul. Yes, and and and yet

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<v Speaker 1>what he's saying is is he's saying, there's this thing

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<v Speaker 1>in my life and and and uh, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>there to remind me that I have to stay humble,

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<v Speaker 1>right because because if this thing weren't there, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't rely on God as much as I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So would you say the dangerous prayer here would

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<v Speaker 2>be the fact that he prayed three times for the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord to take the flesh or the thorn away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then God's response was that my grace is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it says in this translation I've always heard

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<v Speaker 2>is that my grace is sufficient for you. You've probably heard

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<v Speaker 2>that before and IV translation translations, sufficient is defined as enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why, I've always loved that that

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<v Speaker 2>that that word that's saying, my grace is sufficient sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>So here it says, is all you need.

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<v Speaker 2>All you need? Okay, I love that is my grace

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<v Speaker 2>is all you need. Whenever you know he's saying, he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>take this away from me. Hey, just you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>grace is enough. You don't need anything more or anything less.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I got for you. I love that,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think for me that you agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the fact that he's talking about boasting in

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you're weak at, because when you're weak,

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<v Speaker 2>then he has made strong. And it's a reminder, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us, or anybody really here who maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's an illness, maybe it's something in your life. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about you, but I think it's powerful to

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<v Speaker 2>pray and ask God. We should be praying, we should

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<v Speaker 2>be praying for healing over things. But you and I

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<v Speaker 2>both have seen a fair share of prayers that you're

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<v Speaker 2>just asking God's will to be done right, You're just praying.

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<v Speaker 2>faith into that healing. But we see here, here's Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>who is like the most faith right, he's the most

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<v Speaker 2>God following person. Yet God didn't take away that sickness,

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<v Speaker 2>in his flesh. God said, don't worry about it, rely

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<v Speaker 2>on me. Just a fun story that just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>there's one time, many years ago the youth group I

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<v Speaker 2>that went to a concert for a well known worship

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<v Speaker 2>group in the country. They're a well known traveling worship group.

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<v Speaker 2>But they also had their known to do like healings

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<v Speaker 2>at the end there was a healing part of the

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<v Speaker 2>himself checked this out. He drove himself an hour to

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<v Speaker 2>He had been running to something he had. He has

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<v Speaker 2>serious eyesight issues. If only he had faith, then God

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<v Speaker 2>would heal him. So what he did is he broke

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<v Speaker 2>his glasses that he needed to see, broke him in

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<v Speaker 2>He is on the road driving an hour away. I

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the danger we can blame ourselves. Well, my faith,

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<v Speaker 2>me that like maybe it's not like I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should pray for healing. Maybe we should one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>we should pray him. Believe that God can heal us

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<v Speaker 2>and will if if he so desires. But the same

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<v Speaker 2>time trusting in what Paul is saying here that like

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<v Speaker 2>his grace is still enough. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've had his stories like that where you've winnessed people

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<v Speaker 2>who like man, it must be my lack of faith

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<v Speaker 2>that God didn't heal this thing. And it's sad, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>And again the sad part is in the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>time that God says, hey, if you have enough faith

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<v Speaker 1>ask this will be done. It'll be done. But what

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<v Speaker 1>God always does is he always throws it under the

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella that it's God. God is the one doing the miracle,

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<v Speaker 1>and so therefore it has to align with God's will. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it is if God chooses right, and so so yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we can have move we can move mountains, we can

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<v Speaker 1>different things, you know, with the size of a mustard. See.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's if God wills it. Right. So God is

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<v Speaker 1>able and we are able. Period, that's the end of

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<v Speaker 1>that sentence. Right. We can do this with faith under

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<v Speaker 1>the umbrella of if God wills it. Because after all,

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<v Speaker 1>if it were just a name it and claim it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a thing, then Paul's foreign in his flesh

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<v Speaker 1>would have been gone. Yep. So Paul has enough, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>going to be Paul, right, So you know, Paul, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him, He's the only apostle that is,

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<v Speaker 1>He's the only other parstle that Jesus came down and

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<v Speaker 1>rose again, he came back down to the earth to

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<v Speaker 1>to spread the gospel. I mean, he physically appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Paul. Paul's talking about being caught up into

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<v Speaker 1>heck is that about? Right? We don't talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Yeah, But Paul's talking about this vision that

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<v Speaker 1>he had, and he says, I don't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>God knows. But let me tell you something. I was there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's talking about this miraculous thing. So if

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<v Speaker 1>there's anybody who has enough faith that God is real

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<v Speaker 1>and able, it's Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>and then he had this encounter with Jesus, the risen Savior,

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<v Speaker 2>and his life is completely transformed. But I like how

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about boasting in weakness, boasting your weaknesses. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it true that a tendency we may have as Christians

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<v Speaker 2>the more we follow God is to almost not even

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<v Speaker 2>notice our weaknesses. Right, We're quick to notice the weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>of others and point out the flaws of others. But

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's interesting the guy who should be

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably very mature in his faith. Was very

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<v Speaker 2>quick to point out that he will boast, he'll brag

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<v Speaker 2>about his weakness. I think this is a reminder for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who listened to this who maybe like it's really easy,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when on his daily podcast. You'll listen to a

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<v Speaker 2>daily Bible podcast to really allow knowledge to puff you

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<v Speaker 2>up and build you up and make you feel somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>superior or feel like you have all the answers and

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<v Speaker 2>the truth and all that stuff, It's very easy. I honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've met so many people over the years

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<v Speaker 2>who the knowledge has puffed them up and created pride

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. Then you have Paul who

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<v Speaker 2>goes literally the opposite of that. He's like, no, no, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to boast about my weaknesses for when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>weak and I made strong. That's literally what it should

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<v Speaker 2>look like. The more you if you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>deeper and grow deeper in your faith, it actually looks

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<v Speaker 2>like that acknowledging that you don't have what it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not strong enough. You have more weaknesses maybe than

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<v Speaker 2>you do strengths. You know, and maybe maybe God has

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<v Speaker 2>allowed this to happen because we absolutely need him. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that when once knowledge starts to puff up,

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<v Speaker 2>you begin to realize that you start to think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this, I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out to enough, that's right, and miss out on all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of the best times in my life are

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<v Speaker 1>when I think to myself, if God doesn't show up,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm toasted. Right. I mean, you know you have to

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have enough faith in your life to

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<v Speaker 1>move forward with every God calls you to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like, man, you know, anything without risk

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really require God to show up, right, And you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's almost the definition of faith at times right

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<v Speaker 1>where where it's like it's like, Okay, I'm too weak

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<v Speaker 1>for this to happen. I can't manufacture this, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>produce the results of this, I can't make this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Only God can do this. And so you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a form of saying, like, God, I can't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm weak in this area, right, Only you have the

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<v Speaker 1>power to do this. And so I think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a This serves as a great reminder and I

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<v Speaker 1>do love the fact that we don't know what Paul's

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<v Speaker 1>Infirmaty Infirmary was you know, some people have said over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, I've read so many different things. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>have said he was hunchbacked. Have you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 1>That he had this hunchback? Which because because the word

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<v Speaker 1>Paul means well, gosh, what does it mean? It means

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<v Speaker 1>it means like, does it mean hump or something? No,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul means can you look at up? Maybe you look

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<v Speaker 1>up what the word Paul means, but it means something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and they thought, oh, maybe that's why he

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<v Speaker 1>was named that. And then some people for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>say that Paul's eyesight I've heard that, yeah, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was he was blind or something, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>then some people have attributed to you know, different various things.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, it doesn't tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like it's me Paul. It means small

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<v Speaker 2>or humble. There you go at, okay, what I mean

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<v Speaker 2>small or humble? You only look up Saul real quick,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I'm curious. Yeah, which it wouldn't be with

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<v Speaker 2>King Saul.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, I just remember being in the Life of

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<v Speaker 1>Paul class with doctor Haru, and I thought, and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he attributed the definition of the word Paul

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<v Speaker 1>to the hump to the humpback, but maybe not maybe

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe small mint hunched over. I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>either way though, I love the fact that Paul doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention what it was because it's symbolic for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us. And so think about the credentials of the

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<v Speaker 1>apostle Paul. Number one, he was Pharisee, right, so he

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in the religious elite. He had political prowess,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a future, he had definitely an income, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he had fame, He had all those different things. So

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<v Speaker 1>in Act chapter nine at the beginning, it tells us

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<v Speaker 1>that he was so much in favor of the religious

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<v Speaker 1>movement that he was actually in charge of persecuting Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was commissioned by Caiaphas to go to Damascus

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish in Damascus when he had already successfully accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>in Jerusalem, which was to perscue Christians. He's the head

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<v Speaker 1>of all of that, so he had influence, he was

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<v Speaker 1>rising up through the ranks, and Acts chapter seven he

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<v Speaker 1>was an intern and Act chapter ninety's in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, so all of that. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman citizen on top of that, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>so unbelievably unique for a Jew to be a Pharisee

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<v Speaker 1>to also be a Roman citizen, and for him to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Roman citizen. And by the way, the context

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<v Speaker 1>of that is, of course Rome was occupying the territory

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<v Speaker 1>of the Jewish people at the time. So Rome had

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<v Speaker 1>conquered the world, which is why they were under They

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<v Speaker 1>were under oppression, which is why when Jesus was under trial,

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<v Speaker 1>remember he had to go to both Caiaphas and then

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<v Speaker 1>to Herod and then you know, then Caiaphas the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>and then go back to ponscious Pilot. It was both

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<v Speaker 1>Rome condemning his death and then also the religious leaders

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<v Speaker 1>because the Religiou leaders can't do anything without Rome. They

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<v Speaker 1>were just there. They were the taxation, they were the

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<v Speaker 1>conquering political people of the world, the power. So Paul

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<v Speaker 1>had this unique position where he was a Jew who

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<v Speaker 1>he was a Roman citizen, which is why later on

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<v Speaker 1>when he's thrown in jail, he doesn't tell anybody he's

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman citizen, and then finally he says, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Roman citizen. They feared him and they let him go. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So think about everything he has worth to brag for

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<v Speaker 1>and then none of that. But he studied under the finest.

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<v Speaker 1>He studied under Gamelion. So think about his training under

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<v Speaker 1>the very best of the best. So here he is

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<v Speaker 1>this prestigious guy. I've always I've always been impressed with this.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you know what Paul's final exam was? If

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard this, So, the pharisees would have to

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<v Speaker 1>study the Book of the Hour, Oh yeah, right, or

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentitook, the five Books of Moses, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>always be printed in the same fashion. And so for

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's final exam to become.

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<v Speaker 2>A Pharisee, they haven't memorized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you'd have to have memorize. But get this to

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<v Speaker 1>such a Yeah, of course you had to have memorize.

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<v Speaker 1>But worse than that, they would close the Book of

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<v Speaker 1>the Peditook and they would take a nail and they

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<v Speaker 1>would pick anywhere on the Bible, and they would or

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<v Speaker 1>on the Books of Moses, and they would drive and

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<v Speaker 1>nail through anywhere in that book. And he would have

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<v Speaker 1>to quote every verse that I went through. Wow, based

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<v Speaker 1>on where it was on the page. Wow. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's according to according to tradition, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>On all five books of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like the first first, like thirteen, right

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<v Speaker 2>or something like. That's very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about us. It's most people's belief that

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<v Speaker 1>he would have taken the test at thirty. But but

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking of just to be a Jewish boy would

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<v Speaker 1>have the Books of Moses memorized by the age of twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, and then they follow a rabbi and do

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in order to become a pharisee and to

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<v Speaker 1>have memorize it to that degree, you would have to

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<v Speaker 1>start that at thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean think about all the credentials. So

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anybody who had a right to brag, it's Paul, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he can brag about the things that he left,

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<v Speaker 1>the influence that he had, the difference that he made

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<v Speaker 1>in the Christian movement to where to where like he

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<v Speaker 1>had to literally be lowered out of a wall. He

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<v Speaker 1>had officials after him. So he has caused the ruckus

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<v Speaker 1>to the highest degree. And so he says, listen, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to heaven, whether it's bodily or not, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>there in a vision or something. He's like I have

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<v Speaker 1>reason to brag, and yet, and yet, I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I'm not going to do it because I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you a bunch of stories. But instead, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you is when I'm weak, then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm strong. What an unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Motto, y'all boast in my weakness? Yep, yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, Well, it's a dangerous prayer to pray

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<v Speaker 1>God take this away from you, but it's probably even

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous to say I'm okay with not having it

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<v Speaker 1>being removed. So hey, that's our time, so hopefully we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you next time on the Bibble guys,