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1677 00:05:36,072 --> 00:05:36,292 [kel]: really 1678 00:05:36,143 --> 00:05:36,363 [roger_mcfillin]: really 1679 00:05:36,352 --> 00:05:36,733 [kel]: designed 1680 00:05:36,443 --> 00:05:36,824 [roger_mcfillin]: designed 1681 00:05:36,813 --> 00:05:36,933 [kel]: for 1682 00:05:36,884 --> 00:05:37,545 [roger_mcfillin]: for three 1683 00:05:37,514 --> 00:05:37,695 [kel]: young 1684 00:05:37,605 --> 00:05:37,786 [roger_mcfillin]: young 1685 00:05:37,795 --> 00:05:37,995 [kel]: people 1686 00:05:37,866 --> 00:05:38,066 [roger_mcfillin]: people 1687 00:05:38,075 --> 00:05:38,195 [kel]: you 1688 00:05:38,186 --> 00:05:38,266 [roger_mcfillin]: you 1689 00:05:38,236 --> 00:05:38,436 [kel]: guys 1690 00:05:38,326 --> 00:05:38,487 [roger_mcfillin]: guys 1691 00:05:38,516 --> 00:05:38,656 [kel]: might 1692 00:05:38,607 --> 00:05:38,767 [roger_mcfillin]: might 1693 00:05:38,716 --> 00:05:38,857 [kel]: know 1694 00:05:38,827 --> 00:05:38,967 [roger_mcfillin]: know 1695 00:05:38,977 --> 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1711 00:05:51,397 --> 00:05:52,239 [kel]: that and it will 1712 00:05:52,192 --> 00:05:52,333 [roger_mcfillin]: i'll 1713 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:52,379 [kel]: give 1714 00:05:52,353 --> 00:05:52,454 [roger_mcfillin]: give 1715 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:52,479 [kel]: you 1716 00:05:52,494 --> 00:05:52,876 [roger_mcfillin]: you more 1717 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:54,904 [kel]: of what you want um basically 1718 00:05:54,545 --> 00:05:55,008 [roger_mcfillin]: basically 1719 00:05:55,325 --> 00:05:56,227 [kel]: it's the epitome 1720 00:05:56,013 --> 00:05:56,315 [roger_mcfillin]: pity 1721 00:05:56,287 --> 00:05:58,972 [kel]: of kind of confirmation bias where if i 1722 00:05:59,042 --> 00:05:59,062 [roger_mcfillin]: i 1723 00:05:59,072 --> 00:05:59,253 [kel]: like 1724 00:05:59,162 --> 00:05:59,322 [roger_mcfillin]: like 1725 00:05:59,313 --> 00:05:59,814 [kel]: something and 1726 00:05:59,744 --> 00:05:59,824 [roger_mcfillin]: you 1727 00:05:59,874 --> 00:06:01,457 [kel]: i like the videos and it's going to keep 1728 00:06:01,408 --> 00:06:01,549 [roger_mcfillin]: keep 1729 00:06:01,517 --> 00:06:01,798 [kel]: showing 1730 00:06:01,609 --> 00:06:01,870 [roger_mcfillin]: showing 1731 00:06:01,838 --> 00:06:02,760 [kel]: me all 1732 00:06:02,742 --> 00:06:02,862 [roger_mcfillin]: all 1733 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:03,060 [kel]: of those 1734 00:06:02,902 --> 00:06:03,162 [roger_mcfillin]: of those 1735 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,524 [kel]: videos and all i have to do is just kind of scroll up i can 1736 00:06:05,585 --> 00:06:08,950 [kel]: get rid of something within like half a second if i don't like it it's 1737 00:06:08,922 --> 00:06:09,042 [roger_mcfillin]: it's 1738 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:09,311 [kel]: pretty 1739 00:06:09,143 --> 00:06:09,404 [roger_mcfillin]: pretty 1740 00:06:09,611 --> 00:06:10,413 [kel]: it's pretty addictive 1741 00:06:10,148 --> 00:06:10,309 [roger_mcfillin]: thick 1742 00:06:10,853 --> 00:06:11,154 [kel]: so then you 1743 00:06:11,112 --> 00:06:11,192 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is 2418 00:09:16,473 --> 00:09:16,573 [kel]: one 2419 00:09:16,585 --> 00:09:16,685 [roger_mcfillin]: one 2420 00:09:16,653 --> 00:09:16,854 [kel]: i want 2421 00:09:16,766 --> 00:09:16,946 [roger_mcfillin]: i want 2422 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:16,934 [kel]: to 2423 00:09:16,986 --> 00:09:17,046 [roger_mcfillin]: to 2424 00:09:17,034 --> 00:09:17,436 [kel]: alert 2425 00:09:17,147 --> 00:09:17,528 [roger_mcfillin]: alert 2426 00:09:17,736 --> 00:09:18,258 [kel]: clinicians 2427 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:18,330 [roger_mcfillin]: plenitions 2428 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:19,040 [kel]: i want 2429 00:09:18,943 --> 00:09:19,145 [roger_mcfillin]: i want 2430 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:19,380 [kel]: to alert 2431 00:09:19,186 --> 00:09:19,489 [roger_mcfillin]: to alert 2432 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:19,901 [kel]: parents 2433 00:09:19,591 --> 00:09:19,995 [roger_mcfillin]: parents 2434 00:09:20,582 --> 00:09:20,842 [kel]: because 2435 00:09:20,722 --> 00:09:20,922 [roger_mcfillin]: because 2436 00:09:20,943 --> 00:09:21,023 [kel]: we 2437 00:09:21,022 --> 00:09:21,102 [roger_mcfillin]: we 2438 00:09:21,584 --> 00:09:22,004 [kel]: actually 2439 00:09:21,684 --> 00:09:22,124 [roger_mcfillin]: actually 2440 00:09:22,705 --> 00:09:22,905 [kel]: have 2441 00:09:22,806 --> 00:09:23,006 [roger_mcfillin]: have 2442 00:09:22,986 --> 00:09:23,707 [kel]: situations 2443 00:09:23,086 --> 00:09:23,788 [roger_mcfillin]: situations 2444 00:09:23,927 --> 00:09:24,127 [kel]: where 2445 00:09:24,008 --> 00:09:24,269 [roger_mcfillin]: where 2446 00:09:24,388 --> 00:09:24,568 [kel]: teen 2447 00:09:24,489 --> 00:09:24,690 [roger_mcfillin]: teen 2448 00:09:24,668 --> 00:09:25,049 [kel]: agers 2449 00:09:24,770 --> 00:09:25,130 [roger_mcfillin]: agers 2450 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:26,930 [kel]: want 2451 00:09:26,822 --> 00:09:27,022 [roger_mcfillin]: want 2452 00:09:27,011 --> 00:09:27,071 [kel]: to 2453 00:09:27,103 --> 00:09:27,163 [roger_mcfillin]: to 2454 00:09:27,111 --> 00:09:27,251 [kel]: have 2455 00:09:27,223 --> 00:09:27,323 [roger_mcfillin]: have 2456 00:09:27,311 --> 00:09:27,712 [kel]: multiple 2457 00:09:27,423 --> 00:09:27,804 [roger_mcfillin]: multiple 2458 00:09:27,752 --> 00:09:28,454 [kel]: diagnoses 2459 00:09:27,864 --> 00:09:28,566 [roger_mcfillin]: diagnosis 2460 00:09:28,574 --> 00:09:28,614 [kel]: or 2461 00:09:28,666 --> 00:09:28,727 [roger_mcfillin]: are 2462 00:09:28,695 --> 00:09:28,975 [kel]: actually 2463 00:09:28,807 --> 00:09:29,087 [roger_mcfillin]: actually 2464 00:09:29,176 --> 00:09:29,617 [kel]: searching 2465 00:09:29,288 --> 00:09:29,729 [roger_mcfillin]: searching 2466 00:09:29,917 --> 00:09:30,078 [kel]: out 2467 00:09:30,010 --> 00:09:30,170 [roger_mcfillin]: out 2468 00:09:31,652 --> 00:09:31,753 [kel]: the 2469 00:09:31,753 --> 00:09:31,873 [roger_mcfillin]: the 2470 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:32,315 [kel]: ability 2471 00:09:31,913 --> 00:09:32,414 [roger_mcfillin]: ability 2472 00:09:32,456 --> 00:09:32,516 [kel]: to 2473 00:09:32,554 --> 00:09:32,634 [roger_mcfillin]: to 2474 00:09:32,576 --> 00:09:33,340 [kel]: have access 2475 00:09:33,015 --> 00:09:33,415 [roger_mcfillin]: access 2476 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:33,561 [kel]: to 2477 00:09:33,576 --> 00:09:33,656 [roger_mcfillin]: to 2478 00:09:33,701 --> 00:09:34,324 [kel]: psychiatric 2479 00:09:33,796 --> 00:09:34,437 [roger_mcfillin]: psychiatric 2480 00:09:34,405 --> 00:09:34,867 [kel]: drugs 2481 00:09:34,497 --> 00:09:34,918 [roger_mcfillin]: drugs 2482 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:35,780 [kel]: some 2483 00:09:35,739 --> 00:09:35,879 [roger_mcfillin]: some 2484 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,020 [kel]: of them 2485 00:09:35,939 --> 00:09:36,140 [roger_mcfillin]: of them 2486 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:36,261 [kel]: for 2487 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:36,340 [roger_mcfillin]: for 2488 00:09:36,321 --> 00:09:36,701 [kel]: abuse 2489 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:36,821 [roger_mcfillin]: abuse 2490 00:09:36,802 --> 00:09:36,842 [kel]: or 2491 00:09:36,921 --> 00:09:36,981 [roger_mcfillin]: or 2492 00:09:36,982 --> 00:09:37,242 [kel]: others 2493 00:09:37,081 --> 00:09:37,362 [roger_mcfillin]: others 2494 00:09:37,362 --> 00:09:37,543 [kel]: just 2495 00:09:37,462 --> 00:09:37,642 [roger_mcfillin]: just 2496 00:09:37,603 --> 00:09:38,564 [kel]: to potentially 2497 00:09:38,123 --> 00:09:38,664 [roger_mcfillin]: potentially 2498 00:09:38,765 --> 00:09:39,366 [kel]: validate 2499 00:09:38,864 --> 00:09:39,445 [roger_mcfillin]: validate 2500 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:40,087 [kel]: their 2501 00:09:40,046 --> 00:09:40,207 [roger_mcfillin]: their 2502 00:09:40,167 --> 00:09:40,267 [kel]: own 2503 00:09:40,267 --> 00:09:40,367 [roger_mcfillin]: own 2504 00:09:40,327 --> 00:09:40,768 [kel]: emotional 2505 00:09:40,427 --> 00:09:40,888 [roger_mcfillin]: emotional 2506 00:09:40,868 --> 00:09:41,129 [kel]: pain 2507 00:09:40,928 --> 00:09:41,369 [roger_mcfillin]: opinion 2508 00:09:41,429 --> 00:09:41,509 [kel]: or 2509 00:09:41,469 --> 00:09:41,589 [roger_mcfillin]: 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[roger_mcfillin]: the 2586 00:09:55,666 --> 00:09:55,926 [kel]: mental 2587 00:09:55,774 --> 00:09:56,055 [roger_mcfillin]: mental 2588 00:09:56,026 --> 00:09:56,227 [kel]: health 2589 00:09:56,135 --> 00:09:56,316 [roger_mcfillin]: health 2590 00:09:56,347 --> 00:09:56,688 [kel]: field 2591 00:09:56,457 --> 00:09:56,859 [roger_mcfillin]: field 2592 00:09:57,580 --> 00:09:57,680 [kel]: how 2593 00:09:57,662 --> 00:09:57,782 [roger_mcfillin]: how 2594 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:57,820 [kel]: we 2595 00:09:57,862 --> 00:09:57,902 [roger_mcfillin]: we 2596 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,040 [kel]: kind 2597 00:09:57,982 --> 00:09:58,143 [roger_mcfillin]: kind 2598 00:09:58,081 --> 00:09:58,661 [kel]: of respond 2599 00:09:58,183 --> 00:09:58,764 [roger_mcfillin]: of respond 2600 00:09:58,762 --> 00:09:58,882 [kel]: what 2601 00:09:58,864 --> 00:09:58,985 [roger_mcfillin]: what 2602 00:09:58,942 --> 00:09:59,042 [kel]: do 2603 00:09:59,045 --> 00:09:59,125 [roger_mcfillin]: do 2604 00:09:59,122 --> 00:09:59,663 [kel]: clinicians 2605 00:09:59,225 --> 00:09:59,746 [roger_mcfillin]: clinicians 2606 00:09:59,723 --> 00:09:59,863 [kel]: need 2607 00:09:59,826 --> 00:09:59,967 [roger_mcfillin]: need 2608 00:09:59,904 --> 00:10:00,104 [kel]: to know 2609 00:10:00,007 --> 00:10:00,187 [roger_mcfillin]: to know 2610 00:10:00,124 --> 00:10:00,224 [kel]: what 2611 00:10:00,227 --> 00:10:00,328 [roger_mcfillin]: what 2612 00:10:00,264 --> 00:10:00,324 [kel]: the 2613 00:10:00,368 --> 00:10:00,428 [roger_mcfillin]: the 2614 00:10:00,404 --> 00:10:00,745 [kel]: teachers 2615 00:10:00,488 --> 00:10:00,849 [roger_mcfillin]: teachers 2616 00:10:00,805 --> 00:10:00,925 [kel]: need 2617 00:10:00,889 --> 00:10:01,029 [roger_mcfillin]: need 2618 00:10:00,965 --> 00:10:01,166 [kel]: to know 2619 00:10:01,069 --> 00:10:01,250 [roger_mcfillin]: to know 2620 00:10:01,206 --> 00:10:01,306 [kel]: what 2621 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:01,410 [roger_mcfillin]: what 2622 00:10:01,346 --> 00:10:01,867 [kel]: do parents 2623 00:10:01,610 --> 00:10:01,971 [roger_mcfillin]: parents 2624 00:10:01,947 --> 00:10:02,107 [kel]: need 2625 00:10:02,031 --> 00:10:02,212 [roger_mcfillin]: need 2626 00:10:02,147 --> 00:10:02,408 [kel]: to know 2627 00:10:02,252 --> 00:10:02,512 [roger_mcfillin]: to know 2628 00:10:02,949 --> 00:10:03,029 [kel]: and 2629 00:10:03,054 --> 00:10:03,154 [roger_mcfillin]: and 2630 00:10:03,089 --> 00:10:03,229 [kel]: just 2631 00:10:03,194 --> 00:10:03,354 [roger_mcfillin]: just 2632 00:10:03,469 --> 00:10:03,650 [kel]: we'll 2633 00:10:03,575 --> 00:10:03,735 [roger_mcfillin]: we'll 2634 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:03,850 [kel]: take 2635 00:10:03,795 --> 00:10:03,936 [roger_mcfillin]: take 2636 00:10:03,890 --> 00:10:04,271 [kel]: it wherever 2637 00:10:03,976 --> 00:10:04,357 [roger_mcfillin]: it wherever 2638 00:10:04,331 --> 00:10:04,391 [kel]: it 2639 00:10:04,417 --> 00:10:04,497 [roger_mcfillin]: it 2640 00:10:04,431 --> 00:10:04,671 [kel]: goes 2641 00:10:04,537 --> 00:10:04,757 [roger_mcfillin]: goes 2642 00:10:04,732 --> 00:10:04,832 [kel]: but 2643 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:04,918 [roger_mcfillin]: but 2644 00:10:04,872 --> 00:10:05,032 [kel]: we'll 2645 00:10:04,998 --> 00:10:05,138 [roger_mcfillin]: we'll 2646 00:10:05,072 --> 00:10:05,172 [kel]: have 2647 00:10:05,158 --> 00:10:05,279 [roger_mcfillin]: have 2648 00:10:05,212 --> 00:10:05,252 [kel]: to 2649 00:10:05,299 --> 00:10:05,359 [roger_mcfillin]: to 2650 00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:05,653 [kel]: comment 2651 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:05,760 [roger_mcfillin]: comment 2652 00:10:05,733 --> 00:10:05,793 [kel]: on 2653 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:05,880 [roger_mcfillin]: on 2654 00:10:06,274 --> 00:10:06,414 [kel]: some 2655 00:10:06,381 --> 00:10:06,481 [roger_mcfillin]: some 2656 00:10:06,434 --> 00:10:10,301 [kel]: of these videos so we'll have to pop them up and just see where this 2657 00:10:10,341 --> 00:10:14,788 [kel]: conversation can can we pop one up now just for an example you send a 2658 00:10:14,868 --> 00:10:18,454 [kel]: few but there might be a better one some only have like music beds which 2659 00:10:18,515 --> 00:10:22,583 [kel]: is just try to i try to filter those out so like this one might 2660 00:10:22,644 --> 00:10:30,142 [kel]: be yeahheckthat one out queen te terret on tik tok there's five signs are probably 2661 00:10:30,222 --> 00:10:36,472 [kel]: autistic number one you miss or don't understand when people are being sarcastic or passive 2662 00:10:36,512 --> 00:10:40,499 [kel]: aggressive or hinting towards something because you always just plainly say what you mean and 2663 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:45,304 [kel]: you act everyone else too number two you listen to music everywhere you go or 2664 00:10:45,464 --> 00:10:51,514 [kel]: always have headphones and otherwise you're too over stimulated or overwhelmed by the people and 2665 00:10:51,575 --> 00:10:57,384 [kel]: the noises it's life to have to bring headphones number three you always mirror people's 2666 00:10:57,444 --> 00:11:01,972 [kel]: behavior back to them even when you don't want to so if you're like oh 2667 00:11:02,072 --> 00:11:05,638 [kel]: i'm not in competition with this person or i'm not intentionally being an ass hole 2668 00:11:06,119 --> 00:11:12,169 [kel]: by my so expressions are expressing that is because you're mirroring how they're acting um 2669 00:11:12,329 --> 00:11:17,257 [kel]: number four you always spend time in the dark naturalizing is okay but you get 2670 00:11:17,317 --> 00:11:23,027 [kel]: over stimulated by light and number five you're always told you're a good listener because 2671 00:11:23,047 --> 00:11:32,456 [kel]: your mirror people's actions back to them roger you're a good listener and you tend 2672 00:11:32,496 --> 00:11:38,366 [kel]: to spend a lot of time in the dark it's these completely made up kind 2673 00:11:38,406 --> 00:11:44,614 [kel]: of symptoms are any of those actual i don't know that one was for autism 2674 00:11:45,176 --> 00:11:51,024 [kel]: but are any of those at all symptoms of what would traditionally be autismis someone 2675 00:11:51,064 --> 00:11:55,598 [kel]: just opening up up a diagnostic manual and just pulling out a couple of things 2676 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:01,651 [kel]: and reading them i mean what they're doing is they're taking what could be a 2677 00:12:02,373 --> 00:12:08,042 [kel]: potential sign of autism and turning it in to something that everyone would experience from 2678 00:12:08,202 --> 00:12:12,810 [kel]: time to time like first of all no you know putting on headphones as a 2679 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:17,044 [kel]: way of blocking out the world is not a sign of autism in fact i 2680 00:12:17,104 --> 00:12:22,796 [kel]: remember back in two thousand nine i was on the campus of temple university in 2681 00:12:22,816 --> 00:12:26,302 [kel]: philadelphia pennsylvania and it was like the first time i was back in like an 2682 00:12:26,422 --> 00:12:32,159 [kel]: undergrad campus because i went to philadelphia college of austiopathic medicine which was graduate school 2683 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,536 [kel]: medical school and i think when i was walking on campus seventy five per cent 2684 00:12:37,696 --> 00:12:45,016 [kel]: at that time of um students walking around would have some form of a headphone 2685 00:12:45,096 --> 00:12:49,926 [kel]: in and that was like new for me like oh this is new this never 2686 00:12:50,026 --> 00:12:57,013 [kel]: happened before so it's quite common for people to pop in headphones air pods and 2687 00:12:57,594 --> 00:12:59,998 [kel]: you know i was up in new york city not too long ago you know 2688 00:13:00,118 --> 00:13:02,923 [kel]: most people are going through the city in their day and maybe they're listening to 2689 00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:09,774 [kel]: podcasts the radically genuine podcasts or other no doubt so if you're young and you're 2690 00:13:09,835 --> 00:13:15,865 [kel]: vulnerable and you're impressionable you're seeking out some way to define yourself or even try 2691 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:22,264 [kel]: to understand yourself and this is what's challenging they believe or their condition to believe 2692 00:13:22,304 --> 00:13:30,311 [kel]: that there's something wrong with them and we think about adolescent development it's quite normal 2693 00:13:30,632 --> 00:13:35,858 [kel]: for you to question who you are and what you're experiencing is normal in comparison 2694 00:13:35,938 --> 00:13:41,302 [kel]: to others now this is like people can become hyper sensitive to this because it's 2695 00:13:41,462 --> 00:13:46,426 [kel]: in your face all the time in that introspection and kind of judging your internal 2696 00:13:46,507 --> 00:13:51,251 [kel]: experience as if it's some sort of a disorder that's concerning right and this is 2697 00:13:51,311 --> 00:13:56,958 [kel]: why we're having these rise in these diagnoses and this identification with mental illness and 2698 00:13:57,098 --> 00:14:04,568 [kel]: going into mental health out patient practices now i think the saviclinician can understand when 2699 00:14:05,991 --> 00:14:12,842 [kel]: somebody's just repeating symptoms from a book um but i don't think a lot of 2700 00:14:12,923 --> 00:14:20,497 [kel]: our clinicians specially young clinicians really trained at a really high level and are sophisticated 2701 00:14:20,578 --> 00:14:27,132 [kel]: enough be able to use deductive reasoning and clinical questioning to be able to shift 2702 00:14:27,232 --> 00:14:33,420 [kel]: conversations back to get information and test things out we are in this health care 2703 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:37,407 [kel]: world where people are just coming in quickly and say i'm experiencing this i'm experiencing 2704 00:14:37,447 --> 00:14:42,015 [kel]: this i'm experiencing that and you're you're hit with a diagnosis some sort of treatment 2705 00:14:42,055 --> 00:14:45,882 [kel]: plan and trying to move forward so this is the danger but aren't a lot 2706 00:14:45,943 --> 00:14:55,964 [kel]: of young doctors and antherapists aren't they trained to be affirm good point really good 2707 00:14:56,044 --> 00:15:03,397 [kel]: point um yeah that's affirmative kind of care model where anyone who comes in to 2708 00:15:03,558 --> 00:15:10,299 [kel]: see you you are validating and infirming what they're experiencing as ways one of building 2709 00:15:10,539 --> 00:15:16,749 [kel]: a relationship and as a way of decreasing kind of self judgment accepting what the 2710 00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:20,838 [kel]: and is telling you is as truth and kind of valuing that person in front 2711 00:15:20,878 --> 00:15:27,262 [kel]: of you to apply that one hundred per cent of the time without considering other 2712 00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:32,691 [kel]: potential functions or hypotheses to what might be happening is really dangerous that's actually taking 2713 00:15:32,771 --> 00:15:41,073 [kel]: away the clinician's ability to critically evaluate and think and i posted something on around 2714 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:47,380 [kel]: this on twitter months ago back when we were talking about social contagion effect and 2715 00:15:47,901 --> 00:15:54,312 [kel]: i had a psychiatrist create ironically a tik tok video about me you know i 2716 00:15:54,412 --> 00:15:59,220 [kel]: remember i wish i could have bought that up and it's like this idea i 2717 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:06,953 [kel]: am completely invalidating somebody's experience by bringing up these cultural phenomenons and i don't think 2718 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:12,402 [kel]: that you can work in the mental health field unless you are real attentive to 2719 00:16:12,462 --> 00:16:18,091 [kel]: what is happening in your culture around you and that was scary for me that 2720 00:16:18,312 --> 00:16:26,326 [kel]: a child psychiatrist would accept at face value ver billy what a child would kind 2721 00:16:26,366 --> 00:16:31,200 [kel]: of tell you about what they're experiencing now first and foremost what's really important i 2722 00:16:31,421 --> 00:16:37,520 [kel]: feel like we've gone away from this i was trained as a clinical psychologist i 2723 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:43,147 [kel]: was trained that you must get multiple reports from multiple environments to be able to 2724 00:16:43,227 --> 00:16:49,396 [kel]: confirm diagnosis meaning you know i'm going to get what the what the teen ager 2725 00:16:49,557 --> 00:16:54,585 [kel]: or the kid is presenting with what i'm observing what they're reporting but then i 2726 00:16:54,625 --> 00:17:01,033 [kel]: want to test that out what's the school reporting as their parents reporting let me 2727 00:17:01,113 --> 00:17:07,603 [kel]: get some other data and information to try to create a case conceptualization what about 2728 00:17:07,623 --> 00:17:11,642 [kel]: when it's a young adult young adult how do you how do you go about 2729 00:17:12,303 --> 00:17:18,849 [kel]: getting other points of view other stories or whatever workplace environment that kind of stuff 2730 00:17:19,570 --> 00:17:23,523 [kel]: no i wouldn't say workplace environment tends to be family so if if it's an 2731 00:17:23,603 --> 00:17:27,433 [kel]: adult it could be a spouse if you're a young adult or a teen age 2732 00:17:27,513 --> 00:17:33,142 [kel]: obviously it's the parents and if they're in school you just ask for a release 2733 00:17:33,222 --> 00:17:36,568 [kel]: maybe talk to a school council or so you have to get permission from your 2734 00:17:36,668 --> 00:17:42,117 [kel]: client you do okay and that's just you know that's kind of standard also with 2735 00:17:42,258 --> 00:17:48,608 [kel]: like sochiatry or a medical professional so it's really important that you are coordinating care 2736 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:56,137 [kel]: i never get contacted these psychiatrists are medical professionals when i'm working with a young 2737 00:17:56,237 --> 00:18:00,785 [kel]: person or a teen ager and it's part of the systemic problem that exists in 2738 00:18:00,866 --> 00:18:09,422 [kel]: our in our health care system i saw a recent study regarding ah our primary 2739 00:18:09,482 --> 00:18:14,470 [kel]: care you know what the average time a doctor will spend with somebody in primary 2740 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:24,051 [kel]: care six minutes close eight minutes you're talking about a health care system that's that's 2741 00:18:24,091 --> 00:18:28,881 [kel]: food style right get him in get them out it's almost like hurting cattle so 2742 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:36,232 [kel]: you try to get the quickest diagnosis possible and move forward with some sort of 2743 00:18:36,292 --> 00:18:39,820 [kel]: referal or treatment plan i mean we're referring this on a previous podcast where we're 2744 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:45,561 [kel]: talking about kind of like quick protocols and so forth and you know this is 2745 00:18:45,962 --> 00:18:49,208 [kel]: so this is really problematic because you're not going to have that time for co 2746 00:18:49,268 --> 00:18:56,350 [kel]: ordination of care identified identification of hypotheses testing that out and so forth and too 2747 00:18:56,390 --> 00:19:01,998 [kel]: many of these doctors don't realize that the symptoms are the presentations that are being 2748 00:19:02,078 --> 00:19:06,133 [kel]: provided especially if they're coming straight out of a d s m that's got to 2749 00:19:06,193 --> 00:19:10,675 [kel]: be a red flag because you can easily bring that up on the internet if 2750 00:19:10,735 --> 00:19:17,207 [kel]: they're just talking about their experience in terms of like symptoms or behaviours they're feeding 2751 00:19:17,368 --> 00:19:24,870 [kel]: right in two the problems that exist in our health care centers yeah um m 2752 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,245 [kel]: do you want to play another one a d h d popped up so i'm 2753 00:19:28,285 --> 00:19:33,373 [kel]: just curious what you think about we've had a couple of podcasts on this i 2754 00:19:33,433 --> 00:19:36,499 [kel]: want to see what this video says so i'm going to pull this up okay 2755 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:41,495 [kel]: people think having d d just means you can't focus but it's so much more 2756 00:19:41,535 --> 00:19:44,781 [kel]: than that you are nine signs that you may have a d and we're going 2757 00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:50,610 [kel]: to remember them with the acton fast minds for forget you forget if people have 2758 00:19:50,650 --> 00:19:54,236 [kel]: told you where you put things you need reminders for everyday things or do you 2759 00:19:54,297 --> 00:19:59,145 [kel]: mis appointments aids for achieving below potential do you feel like you should be getting 2760 00:19:59,185 --> 00:20:03,171 [kel]: better grades in school or you should be farther ahead in your career s stands 2761 00:20:03,272 --> 00:20:06,437 [kel]: for stuck in a run are you having a hard time moving ahead in your 2762 00:20:06,477 --> 00:20:10,003 [kel]: life are you constantly playing catch up instead of living life how you want to 2763 00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:16,113 [kel]: is for time challenge are you often late do you underestimate the amount of time 2764 00:20:16,213 --> 00:20:23,225 [kel]: things actually take stands for motivationally challenged procrastinator or do things last minute you wait 2765 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:27,111 [kel]: for the pressure of a dead line to get things done his as for impulsive 2766 00:20:27,752 --> 00:20:34,684 [kel]: do you do things without anticipating the consequences you let things out in conversation by 2767 00:20:34,744 --> 00:20:38,650 [kel]: the way if you're still with me on this video good job on stands for 2768 00:20:38,691 --> 00:20:43,298 [kel]: a novelty are you often bored do you say yes to new obligations when you're 2769 00:20:43,378 --> 00:20:49,989 [kel]: already too busy stands for distractable though sights sounds thoughts or lower priority activities to 2770 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:54,497 [kel]: at you from what you should be doing and finally is for scattered are things 2771 00:20:54,617 --> 00:20:59,185 [kel]: messy in your personal space is there chaos in your desk house or car if 2772 00:20:59,285 --> 00:21:05,075 [kel]: any of these things sound familiar you might have a d d highly recommend a 2773 00:21:05,335 --> 00:21:11,004 [kel]: ride if you have and of course follow me for there's that ending follow me 2774 00:21:11,064 --> 00:21:15,171 [kel]: for more that was i believe i have a my wife has a d d 2775 00:21:15,292 --> 00:21:23,565 [kel]: i can tell i hate this stuff i mean i loathe it right because he 2776 00:21:23,665 --> 00:21:33,964 [kel]: just he just defined an adolescent a fat mind well like novelty seeking impulsivity in 2777 00:21:34,024 --> 00:21:38,836 [kel]: the terms of like speaking out and without thinking ahead of consequences kind of distractable 2778 00:21:38,916 --> 00:21:49,012 [kel]: or scattered motivationally challenged you know the concern about this is a number of people 2779 00:21:49,994 --> 00:21:55,905 [kel]: believe that their poor achievement or their struggles are related to some illness hey everybody 2780 00:21:56,326 --> 00:22:02,444 [kel]: d h d was made up let me put it out there a d h 2781 00:22:02,524 --> 00:22:11,865 [kel]: d is not a legitimate illness it was designed for a small portion of people 2782 00:22:12,706 --> 00:22:18,407 [kel]: whose brains worked in a certain way there's a concept called nero diversity you know 2783 00:22:18,788 --> 00:22:25,593 [kel]: nero diversity has to be developed as a concept and an idea in response to 2784 00:22:25,794 --> 00:22:36,255 [kel]: these ridiculous trends right your brain has been adapted over centuries to survive in the 2785 00:22:36,315 --> 00:22:42,405 [kel]: environment in which you live right the brain is developed to be able to attend 2786 00:22:42,766 --> 00:22:50,473 [kel]: to relrelative stimuli we live in a fast paced world we are exposed to constant 2787 00:22:50,534 --> 00:22:56,510 [kel]: stimuli why we can drive it's why we can drive on a highway and make 2788 00:22:56,610 --> 00:23:02,313 [kel]: decisions so quickly and automatically there's so much stimuli that's going on you know when 2789 00:23:02,353 --> 00:23:07,530 [kel]: you're driving a car when you grow up in a world where you're playing video 2790 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:13,635 [kel]: games listening to tik tok texting doing a number of other things your brain is 2791 00:23:14,216 --> 00:23:21,288 [kel]: really being conditioned it's developed to respond to this multiple stimuli quickly right and so 2792 00:23:21,368 --> 00:23:28,915 [kel]: when you don't have at you might feel bored the brain is kind of craving 2793 00:23:29,056 --> 00:23:34,266 [kel]: kind of that opening kind of response or reaction so we see generate we have 2794 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:39,075 [kel]: a whole generation of kids living in screens and so forth who are going to 2795 00:23:39,095 --> 00:23:49,552 [kel]: have a very difficult time um responding appropriately and environments that are not stimulating and 2796 00:23:49,673 --> 00:23:55,023 [kel]: so that makes makes it a challenge to be able to potentially even chive achieve 2797 00:23:55,345 --> 00:24:01,196 [kel]: at a level that school environment or maybe your parents have expectations to if you 2798 00:24:01,296 --> 00:24:06,144 [kel]: are living in that environment um and i think it's going to be really challenging 2799 00:24:06,265 --> 00:24:14,171 [kel]: motivationally to be able to read history we're to read english when you're playing these 2800 00:24:14,532 --> 00:24:24,429 [kel]: video games that are really emotionally stimulating and complex and cognitively challenging that could be 2801 00:24:24,469 --> 00:24:30,059 [kel]: like first person kind of shooter games or so forth there's competition it's kind of 2802 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:35,728 [kel]: mimic ing um you know being in almost like a warfare situation so there's like 2803 00:24:35,828 --> 00:24:41,064 [kel]: there's a there's an emotional kind of component to it then you have these tik 2804 00:24:41,165 --> 00:24:47,641 [kel]: tok videos and you have instagram and it's the constant you know uh rolling and 2805 00:24:47,761 --> 00:24:52,126 [kel]: sweeping back and forth which gives you like a dopamean hit after a dopamenit so 2806 00:24:52,206 --> 00:24:58,354 [kel]: your response to that isn't disordered that's like so important like how you then evolve 2807 00:24:58,454 --> 00:25:04,261 [kel]: and develop doesn't mean you're disordered your brain is actually working exactly as it's supposed 2808 00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:10,667 [kel]: to it's adapting to its environment and so you have clowns like this who's trying 2809 00:25:10,787 --> 00:25:18,198 [kel]: to financially benefit from these labels are diagnosis which he knows nothing about the history 2810 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:24,621 [kel]: he's not a clinician he may have wrote that book though i don't know i'll 2811 00:25:24,641 --> 00:25:27,666 [kel]: look into it but because even in the comments he's telling people to read the 2812 00:25:27,706 --> 00:25:32,134 [kel]: book so he has some type of connection there and let's go into the business 2813 00:25:32,194 --> 00:25:38,276 [kel]: part of this because think of the three major platforms video sharing you've got youtube 2814 00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:44,186 [kel]: have instagram probably facebook but we'll just focus on instagram and then you have tik 2815 00:25:44,286 --> 00:25:49,094 [kel]: tok so youtubeh's been around for a long time youtube is a search engine that's 2816 00:25:49,134 --> 00:25:53,001 [kel]: all it is it's a search engine even the wy it's structured cynematic you know 2817 00:25:53,041 --> 00:26:01,649 [kel]: horizontal people spend much more time investing in quality producing it to be visually inspiring 2818 00:26:01,709 --> 00:26:05,535 [kel]: and also engaging and it's usually a little bit of a longer content instagram started 2819 00:26:05,595 --> 00:26:10,063 [kel]: off as a very visual place people were post ting images art work so the 2820 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:15,993 [kel]: people that are on instagram are most mostly strolling scrolling to look at visual inspiration 2821 00:26:16,073 --> 00:26:20,059 [kel]: and now they're getting these videos and they're usually produced a little more high quality 2822 00:26:20,522 --> 00:26:26,755 [kel]: tik tok started off and it mostly was just people taking pictures of themselves with 2823 00:26:26,775 --> 00:26:31,704 [kel]: their friends and it's very low quality is very entry level the amount of time 2824 00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:35,089 [kel]: that somebody puts into a video can be done in less than an hour there 2825 00:26:35,109 --> 00:26:39,460 [kel]: just basically holding it up recording themselves and then putting some text over it so 2826 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:43,623 [kel]: the business bottle behind anything is if you're not paying for it you are the 2827 00:26:43,663 --> 00:26:49,408 [kel]: business model so your eyeballs is what's generating the revenue for these companies so first 2828 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:56,889 [kel]: think about that you tube has a business model where it's very easily understood if 2829 00:26:56,949 --> 00:27:03,039 [kel]: you produce great content and you're in their revenue sharing you're getting the views on 2830 00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:07,687 [kel]: your vid o they're giving you a small percentage of that revenue that's generated from 2831 00:27:07,767 --> 00:27:12,475 [kel]: your your video when it comes to instagram and tik tok it's all about selling 2832 00:27:12,515 --> 00:27:18,129 [kel]: your own content if you've got a book if you a product or if you 2833 00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:23,525 [kel]: want to be an influencer and work with brands tik tok has done something different 2834 00:27:24,026 --> 00:27:29,887 [kel]: tik tok developed what they call a creator fund so they're encouraging people to create 2835 00:27:29,927 --> 00:27:34,537 [kel]: as much content as possible put it out there and they have a fund of 2836 00:27:35,761 --> 00:27:41,693 [kel]: couple million dollars but they don't tell you how they're going to disperse that fund 2837 00:27:42,234 --> 00:27:45,780 [kel]: so the people that are in that space believe that that money is going to 2838 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:49,847 [kel]: be distributed based on one thing your ability to create a video that's going to 2839 00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:53,994 [kel]: get a lot of views and go viral right and then that money might potentially 2840 00:27:54,115 --> 00:28:01,713 [kel]: get dispersed to you so people on tik tok are mostly following a trend looking 2841 00:28:01,773 --> 00:28:06,384 [kel]: to see what's getting a lot of balls what people are being exposed to and 2842 00:28:06,424 --> 00:28:10,682 [kel]: then they try and mimic that and try and step it up maybe creating a 2843 00:28:10,742 --> 00:28:14,429 [kel]: video that they think could be a little bit better so because it's so easy 2844 00:28:14,489 --> 00:28:18,917 [kel]: to create content in tiktok i think what we're seeing is a lot of people 2845 00:28:19,037 --> 00:28:25,712 [kel]: in the creative space maybe actors that may be young and just creative quickly creating 2846 00:28:25,793 --> 00:28:31,135 [kel]: something that they believe following what they've been exposed to and they're seeing a video 2847 00:28:31,195 --> 00:28:36,244 [kel]: like this that's getting twenty seven thousand views or twenty seven thousand hearts and what 2848 00:28:36,284 --> 00:28:39,389 [kel]: they want to do is create something very similar and then you just have this 2849 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:45,096 [kel]: mis amount of content that is created for one specific topic and everybody's competing trying 2850 00:28:45,156 --> 00:28:49,431 [kel]: to be the one that gets exposed next and goes viral for the hope of 2851 00:28:49,531 --> 00:28:55,181 [kel]: maybe getting some money from tiktok that will support them in the future that's the 2852 00:28:55,201 --> 00:28:59,809 [kel]: whole business model of tik tok scary very easy to get into but that's why 2853 00:28:59,849 --> 00:29:07,101 [kel]: they're so much crap on there and that's all it is i crap yeah well 2854 00:29:08,243 --> 00:29:13,753 [kel]: if you in tiktok also when with with the trends they use sound right yeah 2855 00:29:14,415 --> 00:29:17,664 [kel]: that was a big thing to the trend but in a case like this all 2856 00:29:17,684 --> 00:29:24,718 [kel]: right going back to roger this individual do you believe he is he has everyone's 2857 00:29:24,779 --> 00:29:29,662 [kel]: best interest about a d h d at heart or this you know this is 2858 00:29:29,722 --> 00:29:35,011 [kel]: the garbage that puts out there there's no actual investment in you know caring about 2859 00:29:35,051 --> 00:29:40,320 [kel]: people's lives he just wants views he just wants hits and basically with the texas 2860 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:45,568 [kel]: our shooter fallacy is so like if you're really good at shooting a pistol and 2861 00:29:45,608 --> 00:29:48,413 [kel]: you know you're saying you're going to hit right dead center those of us that 2862 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,578 [kel]: are bad it though we could just sit there and shoot and at one point 2863 00:29:51,598 --> 00:29:55,885 [kel]: there'll be a cluster somewhere off of the target and i can just circle hey 2864 00:29:55,966 --> 00:29:59,592 [kel]: look i've got all these symptoms i've got all these right i can just circle 2865 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:04,961 [kel]: and believe oh my gosh that's me i d d i can there and in 2866 00:30:05,041 --> 00:30:10,129 [kel]: generalizations that he's using i'm watching this and i really do believe wow this is 2867 00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:12,613 [kel]: what's wrong with me if i'm going through a tough part of my life or 2868 00:30:12,673 --> 00:30:16,259 [kel]: if somebody has said something my grades are going down i can simply watch this 2869 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,013 [kel]: say wow and then that could bring up a conversation with parents or a therapist 2870 00:30:21,634 --> 00:30:26,318 [kel]: well actually i think he's a victim i'm not going to blame the people who 2871 00:30:26,418 --> 00:30:35,381 [kel]: are exposed to this in culture this is consequence to the medicalization of the human 2872 00:30:35,441 --> 00:30:41,355 [kel]: experience that was purposely driven by both the medical establishment and its alliance with the 2873 00:30:41,395 --> 00:30:49,242 [kel]: farmasutical industry there was a period in time where they tried to identify mental illness 2874 00:30:49,303 --> 00:30:57,174 [kel]: is a brain condition similar to any other medical disorder it would provide credibility to 2875 00:30:57,535 --> 00:31:05,055 [kel]: the psychiatric community and medical professionals and so they developed these quote unquote illnesses and 2876 00:31:05,195 --> 00:31:08,985 [kel]: try to push this onto society now obviously there's a financial benefit by trying to 2877 00:31:09,025 --> 00:31:13,952 [kel]: create drugs to treat it we've kind of a nausium kind of gone over this 2878 00:31:14,473 --> 00:31:21,753 [kel]: experts on and so someone like him actually probably believes that his own creativity his 2879 00:31:21,853 --> 00:31:26,521 [kel]: tendency to get bored with certain things that you know maybe society is telling him 2880 00:31:26,661 --> 00:31:33,577 [kel]: he should focus on means that there's something wrong with him and he's over identifying 2881 00:31:33,638 --> 00:31:40,627 [kel]: with that diagnosis now he's smart enough to be able to try to benefit off 2882 00:31:40,707 --> 00:31:47,278 [kel]: that in some way through getting likes which is another dopamine rush and try to 2883 00:31:47,338 --> 00:31:53,428 [kel]: get followers and can create a career around this so he's financially incentivized to be 2884 00:31:53,488 --> 00:31:58,957 [kel]: able to present things in this way and he is now identifying with this diagnosis 2885 00:31:59,017 --> 00:32:05,714 [kel]: now this is my concern i don't think in it benefits any individual to develop 2886 00:32:05,815 --> 00:32:12,926 [kel]: a personal identity around a d s m diagnosis in fact there's professionals like myself 2887 00:32:13,287 --> 00:32:22,452 [kel]: there's researchers who really motivated to actually throw out the d s m and start 2888 00:32:22,552 --> 00:32:29,183 [kel]: over by talking about um m people who are struggling with their mental health to 2889 00:32:29,243 --> 00:32:37,316 [kel]: be on a spectrum or a continuum and to really limit or decrease the number 2890 00:32:37,417 --> 00:32:41,184 [kel]: of kind of conditions or disorders and try to understand it more from the scientific 2891 00:32:41,284 --> 00:32:47,358 [kel]: perspective using actual research and strong science to understand the range of normal that exists 2892 00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:52,934 [kel]: that's really important as there's such a range of normal the concept of nero diversity 2893 00:32:53,475 --> 00:32:56,758 [kel]: i remember in one of my classes one of the professors said you know what 2894 00:32:57,098 --> 00:33:01,908 [kel]: i really want guy who's working at the nuclear power plant to be a warrior 2895 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,168 [kel]: well what does that mean well the way that that person's mind works as an 2896 00:33:08,288 --> 00:33:12,655 [kel]: engineer or something you wanted to be able to attend to and create to all 2897 00:33:12,715 --> 00:33:17,782 [kel]: the possible problems while they're on shift or they're doing their job to prevent a 2898 00:33:17,923 --> 00:33:25,320 [kel]: mask catastrophe right there's this normal aspect of the way our brains work at this 2899 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,969 [kel]: beautiful way allows society all to kind of connect there's people whose brains work in 2900 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:36,999 [kel]: a way that create there's peoples whose brain work in a certain way to s 2901 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:43,170 [kel]: problems there's there's engineers there's artists there's teachers there's helpers right there's people who like 2902 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:47,557 [kel]: to work with their hands that's that beautiful way that everything integrates in the way 2903 00:33:47,617 --> 00:33:52,394 [kel]: that it's supposed to the idea of some of these mental illnesses are a very 2904 00:33:52,534 --> 00:33:58,015 [kel]: restricted and narrow way of looking at the human experience and then the more you 2905 00:33:58,115 --> 00:34:07,117 [kel]: begin to internally criticise or assess or evaluate or judge whether it's your attention or 2906 00:34:07,217 --> 00:34:12,042 [kel]: an emotion or a sensation we know that's going to intensify itself and become a 2907 00:34:12,162 --> 00:34:18,089 [kel]: problematic mental health concern so the way that you actually think about your own experience 2908 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:24,189 [kel]: matters so that's like what happens when when you're going to work with somebody as 2909 00:34:24,229 --> 00:34:30,723 [kel]: a clinical psychologist we want to be really really attentive to how that person thinks 2910 00:34:30,843 --> 00:34:36,600 [kel]: about their experience this is the problem with videos like this it helps shape narrative 2911 00:34:37,341 --> 00:34:41,665 [kel]: we create a story about what our life is or about who we are and 2912 00:34:41,705 --> 00:34:47,952 [kel]: that shaping of the story then gets presented to a to health professional or a 2913 00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:52,580 [kel]: medical professional and then those people attach to that story as if it's real and 2914 00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:55,925 [kel]: they give a label to it and they give a diagnosis to it and then 2915 00:34:55,945 --> 00:35:00,155 [kel]: they provide a treatment to it so that's why you know i honestly believe all 2916 00:35:00,255 --> 00:35:05,390 [kel]: this kind of works in a way that has created a system of care at 2917 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:08,556 [kel]: least in the united states and what i think of throughout the western world that 2918 00:35:08,616 --> 00:35:14,624 [kel]: is creating more harm yeah what do you say to the people that advocate on 2919 00:35:14,684 --> 00:35:21,533 [kel]: behalf of social networks that this is where people can find a community and find 2920 00:35:21,593 --> 00:35:26,201 [kel]: out how to get support and find out how to get the proper treatment because 2921 00:35:26,221 --> 00:35:30,808 [kel]: that is kind of the language that is used that we're we're finally giving people 2922 00:35:31,289 --> 00:35:36,404 [kel]: were stigmatizing it and giving people a place where they can see that there they're 2923 00:35:36,526 --> 00:35:41,623 [kel]: not that they're like others and that there's there's a solution that there's a plan 2924 00:35:41,703 --> 00:35:46,262 [kel]: ahead that they can get better there's a lot of assumptions kind of when you 2925 00:35:46,442 --> 00:35:51,300 [kel]: when you make that statement is that anyone who's going through a difficult time or 2926 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,786 [kel]: is vulnerable or young it's this idea that they can go get treatment as if 2927 00:35:55,866 --> 00:36:01,475 [kel]: that's what they need number one there is an effective treatment number two and that 2928 00:36:01,996 --> 00:36:06,223 [kel]: sense of community or attachment to that as a form of identity is actually healthy 2929 00:36:06,283 --> 00:36:14,095 [kel]: and helpful so if we take certain ideas one is community important yeah it's very 2930 00:36:14,175 --> 00:36:23,487 [kel]: important human beings are relational we need to be socially connected socially connected to screens 2931 00:36:23,608 --> 00:36:30,006 [kel]: does not seem to have the same benefit it's a soto connection right and a 2932 00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:35,438 [kel]: lot of times that people are feeling less alone not because they're actually connected with 2933 00:36:35,478 --> 00:36:41,582 [kel]: somebody but because they're watching somebody on a video or they're texting that does not 2934 00:36:41,703 --> 00:36:48,138 [kel]: seem to have the same positive benefit second point to that is what is actually 2935 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:58,223 [kel]: driving that persons struggle yeah i tend to believe it's more about loneliness it's about 2936 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:06,334 [kel]: elieving that you're different than others it's the resulting sadness and anxiety that might come 2937 00:37:06,435 --> 00:37:14,450 [kel]: from that isolation it's not knowing how to find that connection or how to engage 2938 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:19,984 [kel]: in the world in an effective way to get your needs met i don't like 2939 00:37:20,065 --> 00:37:27,881 [kel]: to think about a struggle has an illness or a disorder because if you think 2940 00:37:27,961 --> 00:37:33,474 [kel]: about it as an opportunity or something that you need to do to address problems 2941 00:37:33,554 --> 00:37:38,813 [kel]: in your life it's a point of transformation so i'm really concerned with that whole 2942 00:37:38,953 --> 00:37:45,364 [kel]: medical idea that you know you just communicated like we're decreasing stigma where we're getting 2943 00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:50,791 [kel]: the right help all available evidence would say first of all our getting steered down 2944 00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:57,296 [kel]: the direction be provided a diagnosis and potentially a drug under the disguise that that's 2945 00:37:57,436 --> 00:38:07,438 [kel]: actually going to improve your quality of life now one other area is the doctor's 2946 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:12,885 [kel]: putting videos on tik tok so it's almost like you move away from the influence 2947 00:38:12,925 --> 00:38:17,663 [kel]: or strategy and you're going to a professional professional is now engaging in the space 2948 00:38:17,803 --> 00:38:24,653 [kel]: and trying to inform and educate people in a style that mimics what is on 2949 00:38:24,914 --> 00:38:30,383 [kel]: those platforms um there are some and there's one here for by polar disorder a 2950 00:38:30,563 --> 00:38:34,800 [kel]: click on that because that's an adult it's dr tracy marks i don't know i 2951 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:41,211 [kel]: d tracy polar disorder can first show itself as depression mania or hypo mania there's 2952 00:38:41,371 --> 00:38:46,840 [kel]: some signs that your depression may really be by polar disorder even if you haven't 2953 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,147 [kel]: received that diagnosis yet you and your doctor might want to think about whether or 2954 00:38:51,207 --> 00:38:56,536 [kel]: not your illness is really your depression that you're seeing at the moment is really 2955 00:38:56,657 --> 00:39:01,404 [kel]: part of a by polar illness and why does this matter because the way that 2956 00:39:01,465 --> 00:39:06,333 [kel]: we treat by polar disorder is different than the way that we treat depression so 2957 00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:10,980 [kel]: here's five signs that you may really be on the by polar spectrum number one 2958 00:39:11,061 --> 00:39:16,409 [kel]: your first depressive episode occurs before age twenty number two you don't get better with 2959 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:20,817 [kel]: anti presence and in some cases you may even get worse number three you have 2960 00:39:20,857 --> 00:39:25,645 [kel]: a family member with by polar order number four you have three or more depressive 2961 00:39:25,745 --> 00:39:31,375 [kel]: episodes in a five year time span number five you take a mood stabilizer and 2962 00:39:31,415 --> 00:39:36,543 [kel]: have a full recovery within a month polaris or all right hold on a second 2963 00:39:36,603 --> 00:39:44,533 [kel]: here if anybody knows dr tracy marks tik tok she might have a national presence 2964 00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:49,157 [kel]: somewhere outside of we have to find her because i find that so completely our 2965 00:39:49,238 --> 00:39:56,348 [kel]: response on these two videos up she's a psychiatrist so he got a hundred and 2966 00:39:56,688 --> 00:40:02,438 [kel]: sixty nine thousand follower that is so complete that was so irresponsible first of all 2967 00:40:02,558 --> 00:40:06,685 [kel]: she's you know following right down the path of what we see too many in 2968 00:40:06,825 --> 00:40:12,054 [kel]: psychiatry doing they're talking about things in terms of illnesses and depressive episodes without strong 2969 00:40:12,134 --> 00:40:17,507 [kel]: definition so the idea that you know you're actually this is young people here that 2970 00:40:17,547 --> 00:40:22,286 [kel]: year is your target audience and when you're talking about the pressive episodes before the 2971 00:40:22,326 --> 00:40:25,671 [kel]: age of twenty do you really think that teenagers know what the pressive episodes are 2972 00:40:25,912 --> 00:40:31,446 [kel]: they don't they don't even understand what the feeling of sadness is anymore they talk 2973 00:40:31,547 --> 00:40:37,096 [kel]: about depression in terms of a normal kind of experience that anyone would go through 2974 00:40:37,256 --> 00:40:42,064 [kel]: my depression just meant you were sad like i hear teen agers consistently talking about 2975 00:40:42,185 --> 00:40:46,071 [kel]: their sadness is my depression so if you count like three four fine this is 2976 00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:49,537 [kel]: all made up there's no science around this bullshit so you just say like well 2977 00:40:49,597 --> 00:40:54,245 [kel]: you had three depressive episodes before the age of twenty well this could be a 2978 00:40:54,305 --> 00:40:57,290 [kel]: by polar illness think what it does to a young person who has no do 2979 00:40:57,450 --> 00:41:02,319 [kel]: what she's talking about right so a bi polar illness by polar illness is traditionally 2980 00:41:02,379 --> 00:41:06,587 [kel]: something that was quite serious right it was a way to categorize the side of 2981 00:41:06,708 --> 00:41:13,329 [kel]: mania man is really impairing and there is you know a response to that man 2982 00:41:13,509 --> 00:41:17,015 [kel]: people would often go through a manic episode in an absolutely crash we don't really 2983 00:41:17,095 --> 00:41:24,289 [kel]: understand the etiology of it like why some people experience it but traditionally like eighty 2984 00:41:24,409 --> 00:41:31,020 [kel]: percent before we had drugs like quote unquote mood stabilizers those who are hospitalized for 2985 00:41:31,121 --> 00:41:34,183 [kel]: by pole are close to eighty per cent of those would have only one episode 2986 00:41:34,263 --> 00:41:39,148 [kel]: but anyway you're just like mass producing this idea to get people to be confused 2987 00:41:39,328 --> 00:41:45,437 [kel]: around their own their own emotional experience and of course she talks about treatments in 2988 00:41:45,537 --> 00:41:50,806 [kel]: terms of drugs and so if you have this depressive illness for teen agers could 2989 00:41:50,846 --> 00:41:56,421 [kel]: be just sad and it's balanced maybe not feeling sad well then you can view 2990 00:41:56,581 --> 00:42:02,644 [kel]: your normal experience or just having a positive mood or having some energy you can 2991 00:42:02,784 --> 00:42:10,686 [kel]: then interpret that as hypomenia this concept of mania on on a spectrum and so 2992 00:42:10,846 --> 00:42:17,577 [kel]: i really think that people like dr tracy marks are harmful and they're perpetrating a 2993 00:42:17,657 --> 00:42:22,423 [kel]: lot of these ideas too vulnerable population and it's why we see these rising rates 2994 00:42:22,803 --> 00:42:28,047 [kel]: of by polar diagnosis in young people when it would have never met that criteria 2995 00:42:28,168 --> 00:42:34,637 [kel]: thirty forty fifty years ago is she benefiting in some way financially from this she's 2996 00:42:34,697 --> 00:42:42,983 [kel]: selling books so i mean it's a platform your eyeballs are basically the whole reason 2997 00:42:43,083 --> 00:42:47,034 [kel]: for this platform existing and if you're going to be on the platform it's to 2998 00:42:47,596 --> 00:42:52,165 [kel]: sell a product affiliate yourself with a brand to try and get them to pay 2999 00:42:52,285 --> 00:42:57,854 [kel]: you or to do something so extreme that you're going to go viral and you're 3000 00:42:57,874 --> 00:43:01,865 [kel]: going to get paid through tik tok so that's all it is so he's creating 3001 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,638 [kel]: sixty second video that's cut and edited in a way that everything else on tik 3002 00:43:08,698 --> 00:43:15,455 [kel]: tok is it's fast paced it's going through a list lists are stupid and digestible 3003 00:43:15,535 --> 00:43:19,583 [kel]: and people click on that stuff and then it directs you back to buy her 3004 00:43:19,643 --> 00:43:25,763 [kel]: books on amazon or t shirts and things like that for you incurring revenue stream 3005 00:43:25,844 --> 00:43:31,405 [kel]: right there you know it's interesting when you talk to some of the old talked 3006 00:43:31,425 --> 00:43:34,772 [kel]: to or you just listen to some of the old psychiatrists who are in the 3007 00:43:34,933 --> 00:43:40,660 [kel]: early days of the d s m development the purpose of that was to have 3008 00:43:40,781 --> 00:43:50,593 [kel]: some construct professionals to communicate with each other the many will recognize that those diagnosis 3009 00:43:50,694 --> 00:43:58,406 [kel]: don't have strong scientific validity but yet just a way to articulate and communicate a 3010 00:43:58,586 --> 00:44:02,553 [kel]: cluster of kind of symptoms or reactions in order to drive a direction and how 3011 00:44:02,633 --> 00:44:08,583 [kel]: you help that person boy has that just gotten com pletely out of control where 3012 00:44:08,643 --> 00:44:16,096 [kel]: people believe that these are discreet and separate medical illnesses with scientific validity and that's 3013 00:44:16,136 --> 00:44:23,428 [kel]: the sad thing about this polar disorder doesn't mean what by polar disorder was fifty 3014 00:44:23,508 --> 00:44:30,720 [kel]: years ago it has now developed its own meaning so anybody who's experiencing it tense 3015 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,727 [kel]: emotions in any way or any dis regulated episode if they are exposed to this 3016 00:44:35,808 --> 00:44:41,466 [kel]: propaganda they go to the wrong medical professional they are going to receive a label 3017 00:44:42,772 --> 00:44:49,094 [kel]: by pull or disorder with high frequency because that's how it's going to be communicated 3018 00:44:49,915 --> 00:44:55,466 [kel]: so medical professionals psychological professional professionals everyone in the mental health field you have to 3019 00:44:55,687 --> 00:45:05,735 [kel]: be aware of how these videos are influencing how your client or patient is going 3020 00:45:05,795 --> 00:45:11,394 [kel]: to describe their experience to you yea because it's the first place a lot of 3021 00:45:11,434 --> 00:45:17,063 [kel]: people go to get the information to self diagnose themselves and then they say all 3022 00:45:17,103 --> 00:45:20,308 [kel]: the things that they need to say that a doctor will say well those are 3023 00:45:20,348 --> 00:45:24,096 [kel]: all the things you know i'm checking my list you've you've hit them all you 3024 00:45:24,276 --> 00:45:29,375 [kel]: clearly have this let's get into like i think the problem and the real problem 3025 00:45:29,495 --> 00:45:33,943 [kel]: is our health care system i mean you have you have a doctor that is 3026 00:45:34,023 --> 00:45:40,102 [kel]: probably over a hundred thousand dollars in debt because of student loans got paid nothing 3027 00:45:40,302 --> 00:45:43,808 [kel]: while they're in their residency and then they're out in the free world in their 3028 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,249 [kel]: finally starting to start their own practice and get reimversed through our health insurance model 3029 00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:54,656 [kel]: which doesn't pay doctors anything which is the reason why they sit down with a 3030 00:45:54,716 --> 00:46:01,067 [kel]: client or a patient in a normal general practitioner for eight minutes because the only 3031 00:46:01,127 --> 00:46:06,275 [kel]: way you can generate enough revenue through the reimbursement from the health care industry is 3032 00:46:06,315 --> 00:46:11,003 [kel]: to make sure that you're seeing enough pay ants or clients in a day to 3033 00:46:11,384 --> 00:46:15,531 [kel]: pay your nurses to pay your office and then it's just not enough so then 3034 00:46:15,571 --> 00:46:19,658 [kel]: you have doctors that going to write a book and they're going hope to sell 3035 00:46:19,698 --> 00:46:24,826 [kel]: the book to hopefully make things ends meet and then they're like well the book 3036 00:46:24,886 --> 00:46:28,813 [kel]: needs to sell i need to get on these platforms and create a one minute 3037 00:46:28,853 --> 00:46:33,921 [kel]: video or a thirty second video that's going to generate enough eyeball to get clicks 3038 00:46:34,162 --> 00:46:38,709 [kel]: to possibly sell my book and they're probably working with production companies that are guiding 3039 00:46:38,749 --> 00:46:42,095 [kel]: them on the things that work and that's why that video looks the way that 3040 00:46:42,135 --> 00:46:46,402 [kel]: it does i'm not going to say that tracy a is an evil person but 3041 00:46:46,522 --> 00:46:50,289 [kel]: i think she's fallen into the system that exists today that is broken and that's 3042 00:46:50,409 --> 00:46:55,497 [kel]: our united states national health care system i don't want to say that she's evil 3043 00:46:55,618 --> 00:47:00,151 [kel]: but i do think we to talk about a high ethical standard and to meet 3044 00:47:00,191 --> 00:47:06,379 [kel]: that high ethical standard you have to be aware of how you're communicating and how 3045 00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:12,759 [kel]: how this can be interpreted that's the idea of exploitation right she's exploiting the platform 3046 00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:17,166 [kel]: is exploiting a certain group of people that are now exposed to this and are 3047 00:47:17,286 --> 00:47:22,526 [kel]: vulnerable and are now sell diagnosing which is causing a whole bunch of problems and 3048 00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:27,636 [kel]: from an ethical perspective somebody needs to take a step back and say at what 3049 00:47:27,696 --> 00:47:32,705 [kel]: point am i putting myself over the welfare of others such a good point and 3050 00:47:32,745 --> 00:47:37,774 [kel]: when you think about the medium of tik tok you're talking about i don't like 3051 00:47:37,915 --> 00:47:47,304 [kel]: thirty second one minute clips something as complex as medical condition or your own mental 3052 00:47:47,405 --> 00:47:55,749 [kel]: health being dumb down in a thirty second or one minute clip for a vulnerable 3053 00:47:55,849 --> 00:48:02,094 [kel]: population who is going to be on that is so incredibly harmful dangerous ignorant throw 3054 00:48:02,174 --> 00:48:06,364 [kel]: the word whatever it exists out there and i want to go back to your 3055 00:48:06,445 --> 00:48:11,203 [kel]: comment on the health care system because you made some really good points i don't 3056 00:48:11,304 --> 00:48:15,230 [kel]: know and i haven't studied this but we know in our region the major hospital 3057 00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:20,659 [kel]: networks have bought out all the primary care centers so you have more and more 3058 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,650 [kel]: kind of middle man involved in this all the way up to the top so 3059 00:48:25,011 --> 00:48:30,074 [kel]: the primary care doctors which i think close to eighty percent of all psychiatric drugs 3060 00:48:30,134 --> 00:48:35,338 [kel]: are being prescribed in primary care centers the real victims of this because they do 3061 00:48:35,901 --> 00:48:43,200 [kel]: accrue all that debt going to medical school and there the income for primary care 3062 00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:50,943 [kel]: doctor is not rising at the rate of other specialists we have obviously increasing and 3063 00:48:51,003 --> 00:48:55,591 [kel]: inflation so the money that you do make isn't going as far here's a lot 3064 00:48:55,631 --> 00:49:00,908 [kel]: of different costs that you have to pay and the model is being driven and 3065 00:49:00,948 --> 00:49:04,992 [kel]: it's a sick care model to get him and get him out and the more 3066 00:49:05,072 --> 00:49:10,511 [kel]: people you see the more revenue you're going to generate and then with the insurance 3067 00:49:10,571 --> 00:49:14,678 [kel]: care model now they have their own separate kind of business model and they're going 3068 00:49:14,758 --> 00:49:20,688 [kel]: to make money by denying claims by denying tests so really it's kind of a 3069 00:49:20,768 --> 00:49:24,380 [kel]: center that kind of system that kind of feeds off of itself in a way 3070 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:32,596 [kel]: that harms the patient and these videos when i think about it are away for 3071 00:49:32,696 --> 00:49:38,045 [kel]: people to get information because they're not getting that information from sources that are valid 3072 00:49:38,686 --> 00:49:43,552 [kel]: if you don't have a relationship with your own doctor um and you don't have 3073 00:49:43,592 --> 00:49:47,679 [kel]: enough time to ask questions and they don't have enough time to do adequate research 3074 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:56,415 [kel]: there's a lot of information that's being left out and generations ago your primary care 3075 00:49:56,696 --> 00:50:01,664 [kel]: physician knew your entire family know there was a relationship that was built and you 3076 00:50:01,784 --> 00:50:10,032 [kel]: trusted that person and there was hum connection involved and you made decisions based on 3077 00:50:10,072 --> 00:50:14,617 [kel]: the health i'm based on your own health welfare and that of your family based 3078 00:50:14,677 --> 00:50:18,026 [kel]: on the trust that you gave to that physician and i feel like that's kind 3079 00:50:18,066 --> 00:50:24,512 [kel]: of gotten eroded and our current culture because of this fast food health care model 3080 00:50:24,752 --> 00:50:30,033 [kel]: you're not going to develop the relationship with the physician in fact it's very challenging 3081 00:50:30,113 --> 00:50:33,820 [kel]: to get the same person over and over again if you go into health care 3082 00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,645 [kel]: centers i mean you might deal with the physician that day or another person in 3083 00:50:38,145 --> 00:50:42,561 [kel]: his or her group or a physician assistant or a nurse practitioner and they're getting 3084 00:50:42,622 --> 00:50:47,294 [kel]: their information from quick notes that they're putting into a system so it's really become 3085 00:50:47,715 --> 00:50:55,133 [kel]: a dumb down um m liquidated kind of approached to know symptom management and this 3086 00:50:55,193 --> 00:51:00,355 [kel]: fits right into it and i don't know all the solutions because that's kind of 3087 00:51:00,435 --> 00:51:06,986 [kel]: above my pay grade but i know what the problems are and in some ways 3088 00:51:07,127 --> 00:51:10,863 [kel]: that people are going to who are working in the health care system mental health 3089 00:51:10,983 --> 00:51:16,122 [kel]: physical health are going to have to somehow detach the way of currently doing things 3090 00:51:16,223 --> 00:51:20,690 [kel]: from and make it more of a cash kind of system where people who are 3091 00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:26,680 [kel]: really interested in their their health can spend time with somebody and get get the 3092 00:51:26,761 --> 00:51:31,883 [kel]: tests that they require to be able to really evaluate what might be happening with 3093 00:51:31,903 --> 00:51:36,234 [kel]: their health and their mental health instead of going for these quick symptom check list 3094 00:51:36,274 --> 00:51:36,757 [kel]: than pills