1 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,125 (light music) 2 01:00:05,083 --> 01:00:05,541 Is that true? 3 01:00:05,958 --> 01:00:07,166 Well, I don't know. 4 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,500 I haven't had my full cup of coffee yet. 5 01:00:09,708 --> 01:00:11,333 I'm usually more fresh in the morning. 6 01:00:11,625 --> 01:00:12,958 I'm so tired, I'm tired. 7 01:00:13,416 --> 01:00:14,083 Do we need to have your 8 01:00:14,083 --> 01:00:15,541 hormone levels checked? 9 01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:17,583 My family thinks that I'm really quiet. 10 01:00:17,833 --> 01:00:18,625 If somebody doesn't like 11 01:00:18,625 --> 01:00:20,166 you, okay, brush them off 12 01:00:20,166 --> 01:00:21,375 because you're a likable person. 13 01:00:21,416 --> 01:00:23,000 I think there's a lot of truth in that. 14 01:00:23,041 --> 01:00:23,666 You were kind of an 15 01:00:23,666 --> 01:00:24,708 all-American household. 16 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,000 I grew up in a blended family. 17 01:00:27,375 --> 01:00:28,750 Okay, so my math was wrong. 18 01:00:28,791 --> 01:00:30,541 Nuclear level extroverts. 19 01:00:30,875 --> 01:00:32,375 You're a really cool person. 20 01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:33,500 I've always struggled with that. 21 01:00:33,666 --> 01:00:34,333 Opposite's tracked. 22 01:00:34,583 --> 01:00:36,000 But you can be a perfect couple, say. 23 01:00:36,833 --> 01:00:37,000 (both laugh) 24 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,291 You get tripped into a lot 25 01:00:38,291 --> 01:00:39,708 of things in life, luckily. 26 01:00:40,166 --> 01:00:41,000 Because I think that's a journey 27 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,083 you're on your whole life. 28 01:00:42,083 --> 01:00:43,500 Got to be better today. 29 01:00:43,958 --> 01:00:45,291 Well, no duh, we're blessed. 30 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,708 This is a good life. 31 01:00:47,041 --> 01:00:48,625 Some people are so good at it. 32 01:00:48,666 --> 01:00:49,875 So good at it. 33 01:00:50,041 --> 01:00:50,875 You're a terrible texter. 34 01:00:50,916 --> 01:00:53,166 And I am notoriously bad at that. 35 01:00:54,208 --> 01:00:54,958 That was a bad point. 36 01:00:54,958 --> 01:00:55,708 That was a bad point. 37 01:00:56,083 --> 01:00:57,291 Brace the suck, it's more like 38 01:00:57,291 --> 01:00:58,583 a Spencer gift kind of thing. 39 01:00:58,583 --> 01:00:59,500 I'm all over the place, 40 01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:00,083 boing, boing, doo, doo. 41 01:01:00,166 --> 01:01:01,083 I'm the steady Eddie 42 01:01:01,083 --> 01:01:03,000 rower, but you kinda need both. 43 01:01:03,041 --> 01:01:04,833 This girl I was just met on a cruise. 44 01:01:05,083 --> 01:01:06,125 Get me off this ride. 45 01:01:06,125 --> 01:01:07,708 I had to learn to be outgoing. 46 01:01:08,041 --> 01:01:10,875 You and I had a completely different view 47 01:01:10,875 --> 01:01:12,000 of what we wanted to do. 48 01:01:12,125 --> 01:01:12,875 Happiness has nothing 49 01:01:12,875 --> 01:01:15,000 to do with how much money 50 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:15,666 you have in the bank, 51 01:01:15,666 --> 01:01:16,625 how big your house is, 52 01:01:16,625 --> 01:01:17,583 what kind of car you drive. 53 01:01:17,958 --> 01:01:20,000 Life moments at Zigdens Ag for us. 54 01:01:20,250 --> 01:01:22,500 Are we seriously considering this? 55 01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:23,583 There were mushrooms 56 01:01:23,583 --> 01:01:24,750 growing in the bathrooms. 57 01:01:25,166 --> 01:01:25,875 So I don't think there's 58 01:01:25,875 --> 01:01:27,375 long-term health repercussions. 59 01:01:28,208 --> 01:01:28,666 TBD maybe. 60 01:01:29,541 --> 01:01:30,708 Talking about finances, you know, 61 01:01:30,708 --> 01:01:32,041 how we looked at retirement. 62 01:01:32,041 --> 01:01:33,125 I have nothing if not money. 63 01:01:33,541 --> 01:01:34,958 You just do funny things. 64 01:01:35,333 --> 01:01:36,791 Has added so much love 65 01:01:36,791 --> 01:01:37,750 and laughter to the house. 66 01:01:37,791 --> 01:01:39,208 I love to talk. 67 01:01:39,208 --> 01:01:40,375 No words of wisdom, I'm 68 01:01:40,375 --> 01:01:41,875 usually pretty short on that. 69 01:01:41,916 --> 01:01:42,583 A lot of times we 70 01:01:42,583 --> 01:01:44,333 almost finish each other's. 71 01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:44,625 Sandwiches. 72 01:01:45,041 --> 01:01:46,000 You went with sandwiches. 73 01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:47,583 That's comedy gold. 74 01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:50,250 Welcome to the Mr. and 75 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:51,291 Mrs. English podcast. 76 01:01:51,625 --> 01:01:52,000 I'm Megan. 77 01:01:52,416 --> 01:01:53,000 And I'm Sean. 78 01:01:53,208 --> 01:01:54,291 We're here to talk about 79 01:01:54,291 --> 01:01:55,916 the wild ride of raising kids 80 01:01:56,083 --> 01:01:56,916 and growing careers, 81 01:01:57,333 --> 01:01:58,416 keeping life together in 82 01:01:58,416 --> 01:01:59,500 the middle of all the chaos. 83 01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:02,125 So buckle up because we're all 84 01:02:02,125 --> 01:02:03,541 in this crazy journey together. 85 01:02:06,833 --> 01:02:08,541 Test, test, test, I'm good, I think. 86 01:02:08,916 --> 01:02:09,583 Am I good? 87 01:02:09,583 --> 01:02:10,333 I think I'm good too. 88 01:02:10,333 --> 01:02:10,708 Is that good? 89 01:02:10,833 --> 01:02:11,708 I think I'm good, yep. 90 01:02:12,583 --> 01:02:13,416 Well, I won't keep 91 01:02:13,416 --> 01:02:14,625 saying testing this time. 92 01:02:15,166 --> 01:02:17,375 We'll jump right on into this one. 93 01:02:17,375 --> 01:02:18,083 As you said, feet 94 01:02:18,083 --> 01:02:19,541 first, last time, I think. 95 01:02:19,541 --> 01:02:20,750 But welcome back everybody. 96 01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:23,208 This is episode three, Mr. and Mrs. 97 01:02:23,916 --> 01:02:26,250 and happy to have everybody here. 98 01:02:26,791 --> 01:02:28,041 Yeah, thanks for coming back. 99 01:02:28,458 --> 01:02:30,083 Hopefully you've been finding this 100 01:02:30,083 --> 01:02:32,083 at least mildly entertaining. 101 01:02:32,666 --> 01:02:34,166 I know we're having some fun doing it. 102 01:02:34,791 --> 01:02:36,708 Yeah, yeah, no, definitely a lot of fun. 103 01:02:37,125 --> 01:02:39,666 And it's just finding, gosh, 104 01:02:39,666 --> 01:02:40,083 I don't wanna keep 105 01:02:40,083 --> 01:02:40,916 saying finding the time. 106 01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:42,750 I know, my takeaway from 107 01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:44,333 last time and some of my cuts, 108 01:02:44,833 --> 01:02:45,750 some of our edits was 109 01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:47,083 trying not to completely 110 01:02:48,333 --> 01:02:49,500 numb the audience to 111 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:50,375 the fact that we're busy. 112 01:02:50,375 --> 01:02:51,250 We're busy, we're busy. 113 01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:52,500 Because everybody knows we're busy. 114 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:53,666 We all know you're busy. 115 01:02:53,708 --> 01:02:56,000 So we'll try not to, I think, 116 01:02:56,875 --> 01:02:58,250 keep saying that over and over again. 117 01:02:58,666 --> 01:03:00,791 But part of this is talking about the 118 01:03:00,791 --> 01:03:01,791 chaos train of life. 119 01:03:01,791 --> 01:03:02,333 And part of that 120 01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:03,583 chaos is just being busy. 121 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,875 So speaking of which, it's 122 01:03:05,875 --> 01:03:07,625 early in the morning right now. 123 01:03:08,125 --> 01:03:08,833 Because I'm leaving 124 01:03:08,833 --> 01:03:09,958 for Vegas this afternoon. 125 01:03:09,958 --> 01:03:11,375 So we're trying to fit this in. 126 01:03:11,375 --> 01:03:12,041 And hopefully I can 127 01:03:12,041 --> 01:03:12,958 do some of the editing 128 01:03:13,291 --> 01:03:14,375 maybe while I'm away. 129 01:03:15,166 --> 01:03:16,583 Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely 130 01:03:16,583 --> 01:03:17,833 miss you while you're away. 131 01:03:18,291 --> 01:03:19,583 The next couple of weeks have 132 01:03:19,583 --> 01:03:21,125 quite a bit of travel for you 133 01:03:21,333 --> 01:03:23,500 and the kids, 134 01:03:23,791 --> 01:03:24,916 different time, different kids. 135 01:03:25,208 --> 01:03:27,125 So we'll have a little 136 01:03:27,125 --> 01:03:28,625 bit of a different feel 137 01:03:28,791 --> 01:03:29,958 for the next couple weekends. 138 01:03:29,958 --> 01:03:32,500 It won't be a whole lot of true, 139 01:03:33,208 --> 01:03:35,083 five person, English family time. 140 01:03:35,375 --> 01:03:37,000 It'll be a little more split up. 141 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,583 But hopefully we can really then enjoy 142 01:03:38,583 --> 01:03:39,333 and that'll give us 143 01:03:39,333 --> 01:03:42,041 the space to enjoy time 144 01:03:42,041 --> 01:03:44,250 and the little moments with maybe the 145 01:03:44,250 --> 01:03:44,958 smaller group of kids 146 01:03:44,958 --> 01:03:45,958 that we have with us. 147 01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:47,041 Yeah, that's a good point. 148 01:03:47,333 --> 01:03:49,583 I know when the youngest and I went to 149 01:03:49,583 --> 01:03:50,875 St. Louis last year, 150 01:03:50,958 --> 01:03:53,958 that was good for us because he and I, 151 01:03:54,416 --> 01:03:55,958 I mean, he's the youngest, 152 01:03:55,958 --> 01:03:56,666 I guess we spent the 153 01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:57,708 least amount of time together. 154 01:03:58,250 --> 01:04:00,916 But he's also the baby, right? 155 01:04:01,291 --> 01:04:02,916 And I don't know if, I 156 01:04:02,916 --> 01:04:04,000 don't know how all babies are. 157 01:04:04,291 --> 01:04:06,375 Some last born children, 158 01:04:06,375 --> 01:04:07,625 the babies of the family. 159 01:04:08,208 --> 01:04:08,958 I don't know if they're 160 01:04:08,958 --> 01:04:10,333 all the most difficult. 161 01:04:10,333 --> 01:04:12,333 I think I've heard that maybe they are. 162 01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:14,083 Is that true? 163 01:04:14,791 --> 01:04:15,708 I don't know. 164 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,250 I can't speak for everyone, but I've 165 01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:18,208 heard that on a couple. 166 01:04:18,625 --> 01:04:19,708 We're both, no, I'm a 167 01:04:19,708 --> 01:04:20,500 first, you're a second. 168 01:04:20,583 --> 01:04:21,416 We're both seconds. 169 01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:22,916 Right, no, no, no, yeah. 170 01:04:23,208 --> 01:04:24,041 We're really toward the 171 01:04:24,041 --> 01:04:25,375 beginning and the oldest 172 01:04:25,375 --> 01:04:27,375 on the oldest side of our family. 173 01:04:27,958 --> 01:04:30,875 So, but I have heard that that last one 174 01:04:30,875 --> 01:04:32,875 can be a bit of a challenge 175 01:04:33,208 --> 01:04:34,083 because they're trying to find, 176 01:04:34,791 --> 01:04:35,541 I'm not a psychologist, 177 01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:36,291 but they're trying to 178 01:04:36,291 --> 01:04:37,916 find their way in the family 179 01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:39,125 because they never had 180 01:04:39,125 --> 01:04:40,541 that one-on-one time with mom. 181 01:04:40,541 --> 01:04:42,583 They were never her dad, you know, just, 182 01:04:43,291 --> 01:04:44,583 they don't know where their place is. 183 01:04:44,583 --> 01:04:45,750 Yeah, that was kind of my point. 184 01:04:46,750 --> 01:04:48,833 He, because he's finding his way 185 01:04:48,875 --> 01:04:50,583 and he's doing things his own way, 186 01:04:50,875 --> 01:04:52,041 the first two are fairly easy 187 01:04:52,625 --> 01:04:55,000 and the baby, the third, 188 01:04:55,541 --> 01:04:57,041 he does like to learn things 189 01:04:57,041 --> 01:04:58,125 kind of the hard way sometimes 190 01:04:58,958 --> 01:04:59,583 and that's just kind 191 01:04:59,583 --> 01:05:00,875 of, but because of that, 192 01:05:01,708 --> 01:05:03,416 I feel like I'm on him quite a bit more. 193 01:05:03,416 --> 01:05:04,000 You know, we talked a little 194 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,041 bit about good cop, bad cop 195 01:05:05,208 --> 01:05:07,625 last week and he knows 196 01:05:07,625 --> 01:05:08,958 me as bad cop, for sure. 197 01:05:09,333 --> 01:05:10,500 I mean, I'm dad first, 198 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:11,666 but I'm bad cop second. 199 01:05:12,416 --> 01:05:14,708 And it's nice to have those opportunities 200 01:05:14,708 --> 01:05:16,208 because when we went to St. Louis, 201 01:05:16,208 --> 01:05:18,000 we got some fun, you know, bonding time 202 01:05:18,208 --> 01:05:19,500 and I'm looking forward to this week 203 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:21,208 and it'll be four days, you know, 204 01:05:21,208 --> 01:05:22,916 he'll have fun with his soccer friends 205 01:05:22,916 --> 01:05:23,791 and I'll be able to hang 206 01:05:23,791 --> 01:05:25,000 out with the soccer parents, 207 01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:26,250 which is always fun too. 208 01:05:28,041 --> 01:05:29,458 But it's always, but it'll be nice 209 01:05:30,083 --> 01:05:30,833 to have someone on one 210 01:05:30,833 --> 01:05:32,166 time and hopefully grow those, 211 01:05:32,958 --> 01:05:34,333 grow that relationship and make some 212 01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:35,791 of those lasting memories for it 213 01:05:35,791 --> 01:05:37,875 because I feel like with him, 214 01:05:38,375 --> 01:05:39,958 I do search to try to make that 215 01:05:39,958 --> 01:05:40,875 connection sometimes. 216 01:05:41,458 --> 01:05:42,000 He's still young. 217 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000 And he is. 218 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,750 I think for him specifically, 219 01:05:46,750 --> 01:05:48,041 because of that birth order, 220 01:05:48,416 --> 01:05:50,583 he craves that time, that 221 01:05:50,583 --> 01:05:53,291 one-on-one time with us, 222 01:05:53,291 --> 01:05:54,000 whether, or I guess 223 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:54,958 that'd be two-on-one time, 224 01:05:54,958 --> 01:05:55,875 but one-on-one time 225 01:05:55,875 --> 01:05:57,958 with either a single parent 226 01:05:57,958 --> 01:05:59,083 or both of us, cause he 227 01:05:59,083 --> 01:06:00,125 just doesn't have that. 228 01:06:00,125 --> 01:06:00,875 Whereas it's much more 229 01:06:00,875 --> 01:06:02,041 natural with our oldest 230 01:06:03,875 --> 01:06:04,666 because he had that. 231 01:06:05,041 --> 01:06:06,291 And then our middle child, 232 01:06:06,291 --> 01:06:07,000 so I think birth order 233 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,166 does have to do with this. 234 01:06:08,166 --> 01:06:08,666 I think personality 235 01:06:08,666 --> 01:06:10,541 probably plays into it as well. 236 01:06:11,541 --> 01:06:12,500 Our middle child, I 237 01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:15,208 don't feel like she cares 238 01:06:15,416 --> 01:06:16,833 to have that one-on-one time with us. 239 01:06:16,833 --> 01:06:17,625 I think she's just like, 240 01:06:17,708 --> 01:06:18,666 whatever, I want to be with my friends. 241 01:06:20,583 --> 01:06:20,833 Yeah. 242 01:06:22,375 --> 01:06:23,291 Yeah, I think that's right. 243 01:06:24,291 --> 01:06:26,125 Now that she's older, right? 244 01:06:26,125 --> 01:06:27,625 I mean, that's really kind of blossomed 245 01:06:27,625 --> 01:06:29,500 in the last year for sure. 246 01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:30,583 And it was building its way 247 01:06:30,583 --> 01:06:32,041 over the last couple of years, 248 01:06:32,208 --> 01:06:34,500 but she is a social butterfly, 249 01:06:35,375 --> 01:06:36,791 which is not how I grew up. 250 01:06:36,791 --> 01:06:38,166 It's not how you grew up either. 251 01:06:38,416 --> 01:06:40,083 I mean, I think we both, we both, 252 01:06:41,125 --> 01:06:43,000 you're a self-stated extrovert. 253 01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:43,916 I am, yep. 254 01:06:44,291 --> 01:06:45,250 And I am definitely a 255 01:06:45,250 --> 01:06:46,416 self-stated introvert. 256 01:06:46,416 --> 01:06:46,958 And I think we both 257 01:06:46,958 --> 01:06:48,166 fit both the definitions. 258 01:06:48,416 --> 01:06:49,166 It's not that we're 259 01:06:49,166 --> 01:06:49,875 trying to fit ourselves 260 01:06:49,875 --> 01:06:51,041 into a box that we want to be. 261 01:06:52,208 --> 01:06:54,250 And I think she's 262 01:06:54,250 --> 01:06:56,375 developing into an extrovert. 263 01:06:57,041 --> 01:06:57,166 Yes. 264 01:06:58,708 --> 01:06:59,750 Early on, right? 265 01:07:00,166 --> 01:07:01,000 I guess my point there 266 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,291 was you're an extrovert now, 267 01:07:03,291 --> 01:07:04,333 but when you were her age, 268 01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:05,750 you were more introverted. 269 01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:06,250 At least you didn't 270 01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:07,416 have that social group. 271 01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:08,000 Right. 272 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:09,708 Well, I think part of it too 273 01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:11,250 is the different roles that we play 274 01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:11,791 and the different 275 01:07:11,791 --> 01:07:14,166 aspects of our life, right? 276 01:07:15,375 --> 01:07:17,458 I remember when we were first dating, 277 01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,875 because you know me as an extrovert, 278 01:07:20,625 --> 01:07:21,916 I love to talk. 279 01:07:22,708 --> 01:07:24,875 So I guess podcasts makes sense, right? 280 01:07:25,791 --> 01:07:27,833 But I told you early on, I'm like, 281 01:07:27,833 --> 01:07:29,875 my family thinks that I'm really quiet. 282 01:07:30,708 --> 01:07:32,416 Because I'm one of five kids, 283 01:07:32,833 --> 01:07:36,708 I have some very gregarious siblings, 284 01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:38,541 and I was not that way. 285 01:07:38,583 --> 01:07:40,041 And so I think they always saw me 286 01:07:40,041 --> 01:07:41,375 as probably an introvert. 287 01:07:41,916 --> 01:07:42,083 Yeah. 288 01:07:42,416 --> 01:07:45,958 So I think she's an extrovert, you know? 289 01:07:46,625 --> 01:07:47,500 Whereas our oldest is 290 01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:48,625 maybe a little bit different, 291 01:07:48,625 --> 01:07:49,833 I think he's probably 292 01:07:49,833 --> 01:07:50,666 more of an extrovert 293 01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:51,750 outside of our family, 294 01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:53,000 but inside of our family, 295 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,375 he's a lot more quiet, reserved. 296 01:07:55,708 --> 01:07:56,625 You bring up scales, right? 297 01:07:56,625 --> 01:07:58,875 There's scales of levels of introverts 298 01:07:58,875 --> 01:08:00,250 and extroverts and whatnot. 299 01:08:00,541 --> 01:08:01,833 And I always smile when 300 01:08:01,833 --> 01:08:02,750 you talk about your family, 301 01:08:02,791 --> 01:08:05,125 because you are an extrovert, for sure. 302 01:08:05,875 --> 01:08:07,083 But when I think of your family, 303 01:08:07,125 --> 01:08:08,541 I think of them as 304 01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:11,208 nuclear level extroverts, 305 01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:12,083 to some degree. 306 01:08:12,708 --> 01:08:13,625 But that being said, 307 01:08:13,625 --> 01:08:14,250 that was interesting. 308 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:15,458 When we were in Hawaii this year, 309 01:08:15,458 --> 01:08:16,875 we went out there with her family, 310 01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:18,333 with your family to 311 01:08:18,333 --> 01:08:20,166 celebrate, what, 60th? 312 01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:21,458 50th wedding anniversary. 313 01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:22,708 50th, I should have got that right. 314 01:08:22,708 --> 01:08:23,375 But 50th wedding 315 01:08:23,375 --> 01:08:24,875 anniversary for your parents. 316 01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:27,500 And one of your older 317 01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:30,583 brother, who is like, 318 01:08:30,583 --> 01:08:31,250 and I've told the story 319 01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:32,250 about him a million times, 320 01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:34,500 like he is just off the walls. 321 01:08:35,541 --> 01:08:37,375 Fergarious is the best words you can say. 322 01:08:37,375 --> 01:08:39,375 But I've always told the story about him, 323 01:08:39,791 --> 01:08:41,708 that he'll come down in the morning, 324 01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:43,916 and he'll tell a 10 minute 325 01:08:43,916 --> 01:08:46,500 funniest story you've ever heard, 326 01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,083 you know, about making toast. 327 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:48,875 Yeah. 328 01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:51,083 You know, I mean, he can just go. 329 01:08:51,708 --> 01:08:52,625 And he's hilarious. 330 01:08:53,750 --> 01:08:55,416 But he told me in Hawaii, 331 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,166 that he considers himself an introvert. 332 01:08:59,541 --> 01:09:02,375 And so, that blew my mind. 333 01:09:02,375 --> 01:09:04,583 Because I am 100% an introvert. 334 01:09:04,625 --> 01:09:06,208 I hate the limelight. 335 01:09:06,458 --> 01:09:07,791 I don't like being in front of people. 336 01:09:08,083 --> 01:09:09,291 If I'm at a party, I'm 337 01:09:09,291 --> 01:09:10,666 happy to be a wallflower. 338 01:09:12,041 --> 01:09:13,333 And that is not this guy. 339 01:09:13,333 --> 01:09:16,541 So again, different levels, you know, 340 01:09:16,541 --> 01:09:18,500 on a scale of where these people come in. 341 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:19,625 And I think it's 342 01:09:19,625 --> 01:09:21,125 interesting just to see, you know, 343 01:09:21,125 --> 01:09:22,916 our children start growing into that. 344 01:09:22,916 --> 01:09:24,458 And you know, people that watch this, 345 01:09:24,458 --> 01:09:25,250 that have children too. 346 01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:26,708 I mean, that's, we always say 347 01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:27,958 it's the honor of our lives. 348 01:09:27,958 --> 01:09:28,916 It's a pleasure, you 349 01:09:28,916 --> 01:09:30,333 know, to watch them grow up. 350 01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:32,458 And you know, it is neat to see that. 351 01:09:33,166 --> 01:09:34,000 It really is. 352 01:09:34,041 --> 01:09:37,291 I think as, maybe when they're babies, 353 01:09:37,291 --> 01:09:38,250 we spend so much time 354 01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:39,666 taking care of them. 355 01:09:40,541 --> 01:09:43,333 And now, as we move into this, you know, 356 01:09:43,333 --> 01:09:45,875 kind of pre-teen, early teen years, 357 01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:48,666 we're starting to see who they truly are. 358 01:09:49,166 --> 01:09:50,250 And it is the 359 01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,625 pleasure of our lives to see 360 01:09:52,875 --> 01:09:54,166 and be able to say, I 361 01:09:54,166 --> 01:09:55,833 truly like who you're becoming. 362 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,833 Yeah, yeah. 363 01:09:57,541 --> 01:09:59,083 You're a really cool person. 364 01:09:59,375 --> 01:10:00,416 Yeah, yeah. 365 01:10:00,416 --> 01:10:01,125 I know you said that 366 01:10:01,125 --> 01:10:02,541 about our middle daughter, 367 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,333 that she's cool, you know, 368 01:10:05,791 --> 01:10:07,458 compared to how you viewed yourself 369 01:10:07,458 --> 01:10:09,875 when you were in seventh grade, right? 370 01:10:10,458 --> 01:10:11,375 And I mean, she's got 371 01:10:11,375 --> 01:10:12,416 way more confidence, 372 01:10:12,791 --> 01:10:14,625 probably than I have now, honestly. 373 01:10:14,875 --> 01:10:15,250 Me too. 374 01:10:15,875 --> 01:10:17,291 You know, I think confidence is something 375 01:10:17,291 --> 01:10:18,625 that a lot of people struggle with. 376 01:10:18,625 --> 01:10:19,500 And I know through my life, 377 01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:20,500 I've always struggled with that 378 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:22,500 for different reasons here or there. 379 01:10:22,916 --> 01:10:24,500 Not that I'm not a confident person, 380 01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:25,625 I've got plenty of confidence, 381 01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:27,375 but there are places where everybody 382 01:10:27,375 --> 01:10:28,041 struggles with that. 383 01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:29,708 And I'm sure she does 384 01:10:29,708 --> 01:10:30,916 too, but I just love that 385 01:10:31,708 --> 01:10:33,125 she's starting life out at 386 01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:34,625 a high level of confidence. 387 01:10:34,666 --> 01:10:34,916 Yes. 388 01:10:35,416 --> 01:10:38,166 Versus having to start out at a low level 389 01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:39,833 and learn to build that. 390 01:10:40,291 --> 01:10:42,791 Similar to, I always 391 01:10:42,791 --> 01:10:43,916 say, I always tell you too, 392 01:10:44,125 --> 01:10:45,791 I had to learn to be outgoing. 393 01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:48,583 I was very quiet and we 394 01:10:48,583 --> 01:10:49,791 can tell those stories of, 395 01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:51,541 when you first took me 396 01:10:51,541 --> 01:10:53,583 to your Christmas parties, 397 01:10:54,666 --> 01:10:56,250 back in Chicago when I was still, 398 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:57,958 I mean, early thirties maybe. 399 01:10:58,166 --> 01:10:58,458 Right. 400 01:11:00,333 --> 01:11:01,166 You'd introduce me to 401 01:11:01,166 --> 01:11:03,625 somebody and it would be, 402 01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:04,666 you said you would count 403 01:11:04,666 --> 01:11:05,500 it in the back of your head. 404 01:11:05,666 --> 01:11:06,166 How long? 405 01:11:06,625 --> 01:11:08,208 It was 30 seconds 406 01:11:08,208 --> 01:11:09,875 probably, where it was like, 407 01:11:09,875 --> 01:11:11,041 okay, he's good for 30 408 01:11:11,041 --> 01:11:12,166 seconds and then he bolts 409 01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:13,208 and I'm stuck now 410 01:11:13,208 --> 01:11:14,166 carrying on a conversation 411 01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:15,041 with the person. 412 01:11:15,416 --> 01:11:16,750 Yeah, it was like, hi, 413 01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:18,125 I'm Sean, great to meet you. 414 01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:21,083 So that's really all I'm 415 01:11:21,083 --> 01:11:22,500 interested in talking about 416 01:11:22,833 --> 01:11:24,666 because I'm out of things to say. 417 01:11:25,208 --> 01:11:26,083 Yep, yep. I'm out. 418 01:11:26,541 --> 01:11:28,958 (blows kiss) But over the years, 419 01:11:28,958 --> 01:11:30,583 that has really changed 420 01:11:30,791 --> 01:11:32,583 and I think you do a 421 01:11:32,583 --> 01:11:34,000 lot of self-reflection 422 01:11:34,166 --> 01:11:36,958 and something that I love about you 423 01:11:36,958 --> 01:11:39,083 and I think I should learn from you 424 01:11:39,083 --> 01:11:40,541 is the amount of 425 01:11:40,541 --> 01:11:45,166 self-reflection and just progressing 426 01:11:45,375 --> 01:11:46,375 and pushing yourself to 427 01:11:46,375 --> 01:11:47,458 get out of your comfort zone. 428 01:11:47,458 --> 01:11:48,958 You do that much better than I do 429 01:11:49,208 --> 01:11:50,375 and that is why you've 430 01:11:50,375 --> 01:11:52,041 grown into a person who, 431 01:11:52,416 --> 01:11:53,416 I think most people in 432 01:11:53,416 --> 01:11:54,416 our lives would be like, 433 01:11:54,833 --> 01:11:56,041 you're telling me Sean's an introvert? 434 01:11:56,375 --> 01:11:57,916 I don't see that because 435 01:11:57,916 --> 01:12:00,250 you've learned to be an extrovert 436 01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:01,541 in the appropriate situations. 437 01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:02,875 Yeah, yeah. 438 01:12:03,291 --> 01:12:04,125 And that's one thing 439 01:12:04,125 --> 01:12:05,458 that as we raise kids, 440 01:12:05,916 --> 01:12:07,916 like our oldest, he's much more like me. 441 01:12:09,125 --> 01:12:11,750 Although I do see at times 442 01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:12,666 him being much more outgoing 443 01:12:12,666 --> 01:12:13,833 than maybe I was, but 444 01:12:13,833 --> 01:12:14,916 he said something to me 445 01:12:14,916 --> 01:12:16,083 and maybe I said it to him too, 446 01:12:16,291 --> 01:12:18,583 but I do remember being a child 447 01:12:18,916 --> 01:12:19,500 and I grew up in a 448 01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:20,375 different kind of household, 449 01:12:21,458 --> 01:12:23,708 but I remember telling my parents like, 450 01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:25,916 you guys think I'm just this quiet person 451 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,541 that's always mad, you know? 452 01:12:27,541 --> 01:12:28,500 And I was like, I'm not. 453 01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:30,916 At school, I've got friends. 454 01:12:30,916 --> 01:12:32,041 I've got great friends at school. 455 01:12:32,041 --> 01:12:32,916 I'm actually happy. 456 01:12:33,375 --> 01:12:34,333 I laugh with them. 457 01:12:34,666 --> 01:12:35,458 It's only when I come 458 01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:36,333 home to this environment 459 01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:37,291 that it's not like that. 460 01:12:38,791 --> 01:12:40,791 And so I love that he's 461 01:12:40,791 --> 01:12:41,916 kind of said that to me, 462 01:12:41,916 --> 01:12:42,708 you know, to somebody like, 463 01:12:43,583 --> 01:12:45,291 you know, dad, I'm not always quiet. 464 01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:46,250 I'm not always tired. 465 01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:47,458 You know, it's always, how was school? 466 01:12:47,958 --> 01:12:49,166 Good, we've already said that. 467 01:12:49,625 --> 01:12:51,125 And it's like, what's the 468 01:12:51,125 --> 01:12:52,000 other thing he says to me? 469 01:12:52,958 --> 01:12:53,375 How are you? 470 01:12:54,041 --> 01:12:54,875 I'm so tired. 471 01:12:54,958 --> 01:12:56,500 I'm tired, I'm tired. 472 01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:57,083 He's always tired. 473 01:12:57,375 --> 01:12:57,666 Always. 474 01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:00,333 Honestly, there's been 475 01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:00,958 times when it was like, 476 01:13:00,958 --> 01:13:01,583 do we need to have your 477 01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:02,916 like hormone levels checked 478 01:13:02,916 --> 01:13:03,625 or something? 479 01:13:03,625 --> 01:13:04,416 Because wow. 480 01:13:04,625 --> 01:13:05,291 It's the phase. 481 01:13:05,708 --> 01:13:07,000 And he's got how many, how 482 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,625 many 16 soccer practices a week 483 01:13:09,625 --> 01:13:10,416 or something like that? 484 01:13:10,458 --> 01:13:11,125 It's something like, I 485 01:13:11,125 --> 01:13:12,708 think he spends like 16 hours 486 01:13:12,708 --> 01:13:14,000 a week training for soccer. 487 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:14,583 Yeah, because he's got 488 01:13:14,583 --> 01:13:15,541 school soccer in the morning, 489 01:13:15,541 --> 01:13:16,375 which we get up for 490 01:13:16,375 --> 01:13:18,041 at 5.30 in the morning. 491 01:13:18,041 --> 01:13:18,958 He's dropped off sometimes 492 01:13:18,958 --> 01:13:22,541 at 6.30 for varsity soccer, 493 01:13:23,708 --> 01:13:24,166 or JVA. 494 01:13:24,833 --> 01:13:28,416 And then he's got club soccer at night. 495 01:13:28,458 --> 01:13:29,666 Yep, for another hour and a half. 496 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,000 So, I mean, most days of the week, he's, 497 01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:34,291 okay, so my math was wrong, but it's 498 01:13:34,291 --> 01:13:35,166 pretty close, I guess. 499 01:13:35,833 --> 01:13:38,250 Three hours a day of training, minimum. 500 01:13:38,833 --> 01:13:40,458 Minimum, with soccer games in the league. 501 01:13:40,458 --> 01:13:42,375 And so he has a right to be tired. 502 01:13:42,416 --> 01:13:42,958 Yes, he does. 503 01:13:43,583 --> 01:13:44,958 Yes, so. 504 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,916 But he does tell me while he's at school, 505 01:13:47,083 --> 01:13:48,583 with his friends, he's like, I'm happy. 506 01:13:48,916 --> 01:13:50,000 I have fun, you know, 507 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,000 I do laugh at people. 508 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:51,875 I talk all the time. 509 01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:54,583 Yeah, and I think he does. 510 01:13:55,458 --> 01:13:57,750 And he's someone that 511 01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:59,291 I think we talk about, 512 01:13:59,291 --> 01:14:01,000 like, does he struggle with confidence? 513 01:14:01,541 --> 01:14:03,291 And, you know, but then 514 01:14:03,291 --> 01:14:05,250 I see glimpses of him. 515 01:14:05,250 --> 01:14:07,708 We went to a homecoming football game, 516 01:14:07,708 --> 01:14:08,875 you know, for our high school here. 517 01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:11,625 And it was, we did not see 518 01:14:11,625 --> 01:14:12,666 him except from a distance, 519 01:14:12,833 --> 01:14:14,333 and he was a social butterfly. 520 01:14:14,583 --> 01:14:16,291 It really was, I mean, he was sitting 521 01:14:16,291 --> 01:14:17,291 with this group of friends, 522 01:14:17,291 --> 01:14:18,666 and this group of friends. 523 01:14:18,916 --> 01:14:20,750 And so that was so cool 524 01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:22,791 to see him in his element. 525 01:14:22,958 --> 01:14:23,250 Yeah. 526 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:24,541 And just enjoying that time. 527 01:14:24,791 --> 01:14:26,041 Yeah, yeah. 528 01:14:26,666 --> 01:14:29,583 It is, and, you know, part 529 01:14:29,583 --> 01:14:31,416 of me wanted to parent him 530 01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:32,333 at some point through 531 01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:33,416 this process and being like, 532 01:14:33,416 --> 01:14:34,916 hey, and I have said it to him, 533 01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:36,666 like, buddy, everybody 534 01:14:36,666 --> 01:14:38,375 else is nervous too, you know. 535 01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:39,458 Have confidence, go out there. 536 01:14:39,458 --> 01:14:40,708 If you, just be one 537 01:14:40,708 --> 01:14:41,583 of the confidence ones, 538 01:14:41,583 --> 01:14:42,875 because everybody else is nervous, 539 01:14:42,875 --> 01:14:43,375 everybody else is 540 01:14:43,375 --> 01:14:44,500 worried about this and that. 541 01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:46,333 And in the end, it doesn't even matter. 542 01:14:46,541 --> 01:14:47,500 I mean, like, if 543 01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:48,500 somebody doesn't like you, 544 01:14:48,583 --> 01:14:50,125 okay, brush them off, you know. 545 01:14:50,125 --> 01:14:51,083 There's a lot of 546 01:14:51,083 --> 01:14:52,083 people that will like you. 547 01:14:52,416 --> 01:14:53,416 Because you're a likeable person. 548 01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:56,083 But I don't know, I 549 01:14:56,083 --> 01:14:57,291 guess I'm kind of finding 550 01:14:57,666 --> 01:15:00,000 that everything we taught them, 551 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,416 we've said this before too, 552 01:15:01,416 --> 01:15:02,000 everything that we've 553 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000 taught them that they know, 554 01:15:03,291 --> 01:15:04,125 we taught them by the time 555 01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:05,250 they were three years old. 556 01:15:05,416 --> 01:15:05,708 Right. 557 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:07,166 You know, and, you know, to 558 01:15:07,166 --> 01:15:08,000 the point of our youngest, 559 01:15:08,625 --> 01:15:09,875 they got to learn things on their own. 560 01:15:09,875 --> 01:15:11,458 And that's hard for a parent, 561 01:15:11,791 --> 01:15:13,250 and I'll stop talking here in a second, 562 01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:15,083 but it's hard for a parent like me, 563 01:15:15,083 --> 01:15:17,583 especially who, as someone 564 01:15:17,583 --> 01:15:19,791 who grew up in a household 565 01:15:19,958 --> 01:15:21,333 that, you know, we had 566 01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:23,208 some difficulties in. 567 01:15:23,208 --> 01:15:23,833 And I'm not trying to 568 01:15:23,833 --> 01:15:24,833 harp on that right now, 569 01:15:24,958 --> 01:15:26,208 but the point being is, 570 01:15:26,458 --> 01:15:28,791 I learned a lot of things by, you know, 571 01:15:29,125 --> 01:15:30,458 the hard way too, right? 572 01:15:30,458 --> 01:15:31,166 The school of hard knocks. 573 01:15:31,958 --> 01:15:33,500 And I want to pass that 574 01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:35,125 along to them, you know, 575 01:15:35,125 --> 01:15:37,083 but I don't, maybe they don't need it. 576 01:15:37,083 --> 01:15:37,708 Maybe they've already, 577 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,000 everybody's got to learn it their way. 578 01:15:40,375 --> 01:15:41,833 I think there's a lot of truth in that. 579 01:15:42,125 --> 01:15:46,041 And I think that we do have some kids 580 01:15:46,041 --> 01:15:47,166 that like to learn the hard way. 581 01:15:47,166 --> 01:15:49,000 And then I was very different. 582 01:15:49,375 --> 01:15:51,416 I never pushed those boundaries. 583 01:15:52,125 --> 01:15:54,625 And so I just kind of 584 01:15:54,625 --> 01:15:55,791 always stayed in the lines. 585 01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:58,291 And so I think trying 586 01:15:58,291 --> 01:15:59,333 to balance that out, 587 01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:02,833 and then it's harder for me to say, 588 01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:03,750 hey, do it this way or 589 01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:04,583 don't do it this way. 590 01:16:04,583 --> 01:16:07,291 Cause I just kind of always 591 01:16:07,291 --> 01:16:09,416 didn't push those boundaries. 592 01:16:09,416 --> 01:16:10,500 I never tried to get in trouble. 593 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:12,416 But I was like, oh, my parents, you know, 594 01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:14,125 I never, maybe a 595 01:16:14,125 --> 01:16:15,000 little bit of background. 596 01:16:15,208 --> 01:16:16,208 I never even had a curfew. 597 01:16:16,208 --> 01:16:17,083 Cause my parents were like, 598 01:16:17,375 --> 01:16:18,666 "I know you would never push it anyway. 599 01:16:18,666 --> 01:16:19,250 So I don't even have to 600 01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:20,000 tell you when to be home." 601 01:16:20,416 --> 01:16:22,750 So it's probably gives 602 01:16:22,750 --> 01:16:24,000 our kids a nice balance 603 01:16:25,083 --> 01:16:26,750 because we both had different 604 01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:28,291 personalities growing up 605 01:16:28,625 --> 01:16:30,083 and how we learned things. 606 01:16:30,125 --> 01:16:30,916 And I think that's just 607 01:16:30,916 --> 01:16:32,500 a big part of our success 608 01:16:33,125 --> 01:16:35,833 is because we're so similar 609 01:16:36,666 --> 01:16:37,791 kind of where we reached 610 01:16:37,791 --> 01:16:39,541 our final kind of destinations 611 01:16:40,041 --> 01:16:41,416 when we matured as adults, 612 01:16:42,083 --> 01:16:43,666 but our upbringings and 613 01:16:43,666 --> 01:16:45,333 our life's path and journey 614 01:16:45,333 --> 01:16:47,875 to get to that point were very different. 615 01:16:48,958 --> 01:16:50,208 You know, you were kind of 616 01:16:50,208 --> 01:16:51,333 an all American household. 617 01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:53,791 You know, I grew up in a blended family. 618 01:16:55,166 --> 01:16:57,250 And, but through all that, 619 01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:58,583 we've been able to pick 620 01:16:58,583 --> 01:17:00,041 and choose kind of how we, 621 01:17:00,500 --> 01:17:01,958 what worked and what didn't work, right? 622 01:17:01,958 --> 01:17:02,833 When we raise our kids. 623 01:17:03,208 --> 01:17:03,958 And I'm sure people 624 01:17:03,958 --> 01:17:05,708 listening have similar, 625 01:17:06,833 --> 01:17:08,000 you know, I think 626 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,916 that's how people kind of 627 01:17:08,916 --> 01:17:09,708 are attracted to each other. 628 01:17:10,416 --> 01:17:11,625 You have to have those similarities, 629 01:17:12,875 --> 01:17:13,750 but you also, I don't 630 01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:15,375 think people are attracted 631 01:17:15,375 --> 01:17:16,958 to their exact self, right? 632 01:17:17,125 --> 01:17:17,708 Opposite to tract. 633 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,208 Right, right. 634 01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:20,875 Well, and I think for us, 635 01:17:21,166 --> 01:17:22,625 we talked about it in the last podcast 636 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,750 about how we have a 637 01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:24,875 really competitive family. 638 01:17:25,916 --> 01:17:27,291 That our children come by 639 01:17:27,291 --> 01:17:28,333 their competitive nature, 640 01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:30,875 honestly, because both of us are 641 01:17:30,875 --> 01:17:31,750 competitive, you know, 642 01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:33,291 but you have to have someone, 643 01:17:33,291 --> 01:17:34,625 you have to have that balance of, 644 01:17:35,875 --> 01:17:36,458 okay, I'm the one 645 01:17:36,458 --> 01:17:37,625 who's gonna concede here 646 01:17:38,375 --> 01:17:40,000 because you're digging in or, you know, 647 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,208 you have to have that balance. 648 01:17:41,208 --> 01:17:41,833 And I think part of that 649 01:17:41,833 --> 01:17:44,041 is because of the upbringing 650 01:17:44,208 --> 01:17:45,250 that we had, it 651 01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:47,250 definitely shapes who we are. 652 01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:48,458 And then it kind of 653 01:17:48,458 --> 01:17:49,583 molds you as a couple. 654 01:17:49,583 --> 01:17:51,708 It's no one's a perfect person, 655 01:17:52,541 --> 01:17:53,708 but you can be a perfect couple. 656 01:17:54,458 --> 01:17:55,416 Yeah. For each other, 657 01:17:55,416 --> 01:17:56,291 I guess I should say. 658 01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:57,208 (both laughing) 659 01:17:57,208 --> 01:17:58,291 You can be a perfect 660 01:17:58,291 --> 01:17:59,416 couple for each other. 661 01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:01,125 That's funny, it hit us 662 01:18:01,125 --> 01:18:02,291 both at the same time, 663 01:18:02,291 --> 01:18:04,291 but you can be a perfect couple like us. 664 01:18:04,458 --> 01:18:05,833 Like us. You know. 665 01:18:05,916 --> 01:18:07,000 All American couple. 666 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,750 No, no, no, we have as many challenges 667 01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:11,291 as just as anyone else. 668 01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:12,708 You have the angel voices 669 01:18:12,708 --> 01:18:14,500 and the light from heaven. 670 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:17,500 That's hilarious. 671 01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:19,583 I haven't had my full cup 672 01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:21,000 of coffee yet for the record. 673 01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,500 Yeah, no, we're sipping 674 01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:24,708 on coffee for this morning, 675 01:18:24,708 --> 01:18:25,666 the one because we're early 676 01:18:25,666 --> 01:18:27,208 and you've got a one-on-one 677 01:18:27,208 --> 01:18:28,333 with your boss later today. 678 01:18:28,875 --> 01:18:30,291 I do. In an hour or so. 679 01:18:30,291 --> 01:18:31,416 So we gotta make sure we get this in 680 01:18:31,416 --> 01:18:32,333 kind of before work hours. 681 01:18:32,833 --> 01:18:33,541 Right, right. 682 01:18:34,833 --> 01:18:36,333 It's actually, I'm usually 683 01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:37,333 more fresh in the morning. 684 01:18:37,791 --> 01:18:40,125 And so usually it's a better time 685 01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:42,375 for speaking on a 686 01:18:42,375 --> 01:18:44,000 podcast or speaking in general. 687 01:18:44,583 --> 01:18:45,583 Well, it's funny, 688 01:18:45,583 --> 01:18:46,333 we're kind of just talking 689 01:18:46,333 --> 01:18:47,416 about self-reflection 690 01:18:47,416 --> 01:18:48,333 and all that kind of stuff. 691 01:18:48,791 --> 01:18:50,666 And I think it's fun to 692 01:18:50,666 --> 01:18:51,750 hear stories on this show, 693 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:52,708 and I gotta get better at 694 01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:53,708 just kind of sharing a story 695 01:18:54,083 --> 01:18:55,958 instead of preaching, you know, 696 01:18:55,958 --> 01:18:57,750 because personal anecdotes are always 697 01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:58,708 interesting to people. 698 01:18:59,208 --> 01:19:00,250 Sometimes, if you're 699 01:19:00,250 --> 01:19:01,000 an interesting person, 700 01:19:01,625 --> 01:19:04,000 and I'm not, so we'll just stop it there. 701 01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:08,500 But my point being, you know, is that 702 01:19:08,958 --> 01:19:10,375 I'm doing this morning 703 01:19:10,375 --> 01:19:13,083 show podcast, which is fun. 704 01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:16,333 But one of my favorite parts of it is 705 01:19:16,750 --> 01:19:19,000 I'm reading these self-help books, right? 706 01:19:19,291 --> 01:19:22,041 And it's for personal growth 707 01:19:22,041 --> 01:19:24,166 and just kind of growing as a person. 708 01:19:24,458 --> 01:19:25,333 Because I think that's a 709 01:19:25,333 --> 01:19:26,500 journey you're on your whole life. 710 01:19:26,791 --> 01:19:28,083 And I've been on that, you kind of 711 01:19:28,083 --> 01:19:28,791 mentioned that earlier, 712 01:19:28,916 --> 01:19:31,166 I've kind of been on that my whole life 713 01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:32,708 of getting through 714 01:19:32,708 --> 01:19:35,083 adolescence in a difficult home. 715 01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:36,583 And then, you know, I lost 716 01:19:36,583 --> 01:19:38,041 my basketball scholarship. 717 01:19:38,666 --> 01:19:40,875 Then I was in a total downward spiral. 718 01:19:40,875 --> 01:19:42,625 So there was a long time I was just 719 01:19:42,625 --> 01:19:43,125 trying to figure out 720 01:19:43,125 --> 01:19:45,250 who the heck I was and where I was going. 721 01:19:46,166 --> 01:19:47,625 And these books, I know you've been 722 01:19:47,625 --> 01:19:49,166 listening to it too, 723 01:19:50,041 --> 01:19:50,750 they've actually been 724 01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:51,833 helpful in the kind of 725 01:19:51,875 --> 01:19:54,875 self-reflection of where am I going? 726 01:19:54,875 --> 01:19:56,083 And even at my age now, 727 01:19:56,083 --> 01:19:57,041 how can I still improve? 728 01:19:57,666 --> 01:19:58,958 Right, right. 729 01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:01,541 And I love that you do 730 01:20:01,541 --> 01:20:02,541 that because it actually helps 731 01:20:02,916 --> 01:20:04,375 me think about it differently. 732 01:20:04,791 --> 01:20:06,291 I used the analogy, we 733 01:20:06,291 --> 01:20:07,541 were having some conversations 734 01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:10,458 a couple months ago and I was like, 735 01:20:10,458 --> 01:20:12,958 I just, for me personally, 736 01:20:12,958 --> 01:20:15,291 and this is right, wrong, 737 01:20:15,291 --> 01:20:16,500 or otherwise, I kind of 738 01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:17,916 just go with the flow, right? 739 01:20:18,125 --> 01:20:20,000 I've tripped into, for 740 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:20,833 lack of a better word, 741 01:20:20,833 --> 01:20:23,958 I've tripped into what I like to do. 742 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,708 I tripped into a lot of 743 01:20:25,708 --> 01:20:27,833 things in life, luckily, right? 744 01:20:28,458 --> 01:20:29,041 Whereas I think 745 01:20:29,041 --> 01:20:31,208 you've had to self-reflect 746 01:20:31,208 --> 01:20:31,916 and be much more 747 01:20:31,916 --> 01:20:33,291 purposeful about the steps 748 01:20:33,291 --> 01:20:34,000 that you were taking. 749 01:20:34,625 --> 01:20:37,000 Yeah, yeah, I think that's true. 750 01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:38,958 And you talked about it earlier. 751 01:20:38,958 --> 01:20:41,875 I mean, people that know 752 01:20:41,875 --> 01:20:43,166 me really well know that, 753 01:20:43,166 --> 01:20:43,708 you know, I've been to 754 01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:45,416 counseling earlier in my life 755 01:20:45,416 --> 01:20:46,375 and I actually went to 756 01:20:46,375 --> 01:20:47,166 counseling, you know, 757 01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:47,750 probably within the 758 01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:49,416 last 10 years, you know? 759 01:20:49,708 --> 01:20:50,458 Not because I was 760 01:20:50,458 --> 01:20:51,416 ready to jump off a bridge 761 01:20:51,416 --> 01:20:52,666 and I'm not trying to make light of that, 762 01:20:53,291 --> 01:20:55,166 but because, you know, there's 763 01:20:55,166 --> 01:20:56,083 long-standing things 764 01:20:56,083 --> 01:20:57,625 that I just felt like I was holding 765 01:20:58,583 --> 01:20:59,291 and that were a negative 766 01:20:59,291 --> 01:21:01,333 seed inside of me, right? 767 01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:04,458 That I wanted to just deal with, right? 768 01:21:04,458 --> 01:21:05,750 And I wanted to unpack that 769 01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:07,541 with somebody where, you know, 770 01:21:07,541 --> 01:21:08,750 I felt like I could just 771 01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:10,666 get it out of me, you know? 772 01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:13,541 And so I brought this up because 773 01:21:13,541 --> 01:21:17,041 I just, I found it to be 774 01:21:17,041 --> 01:21:18,375 interesting reading this book. 775 01:21:18,916 --> 01:21:20,500 Right now we're doing Dale Carnegie's 776 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,708 How to Win Friends and Influence People. 777 01:21:23,416 --> 01:21:25,333 And, you know, I do say it's, 778 01:21:25,791 --> 01:21:26,750 we're halfway through 779 01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:29,208 the second part of it. 780 01:21:29,208 --> 01:21:30,541 So we're halfway through the book almost. 781 01:21:31,416 --> 01:21:32,875 And a lot of his 782 01:21:32,875 --> 01:21:35,500 principles are so simple, right? 783 01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:37,041 It's like, don't criticize other people. 784 01:21:37,666 --> 01:21:38,500 Take an interest in 785 01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:39,875 other people, you know? 786 01:21:40,041 --> 01:21:41,041 Right now he's talking about 787 01:21:41,041 --> 01:21:42,708 just simply smiling at people 788 01:21:42,708 --> 01:21:44,208 and, you know, just, but 789 01:21:44,208 --> 01:21:44,958 ultimately he's talking about 790 01:21:44,958 --> 01:21:46,625 just being a good person. 791 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,750 And honestly, for me, it's like, 792 01:21:49,208 --> 01:21:50,500 it's this person I wake up every morning 793 01:21:50,666 --> 01:21:52,291 thinking that I know I should be. 794 01:21:53,708 --> 01:21:54,708 And then immediately 795 01:21:54,708 --> 01:21:57,458 something might derail 796 01:21:57,583 --> 01:21:59,416 that good mood or those 797 01:21:59,416 --> 01:22:00,625 good intentions of the day. 798 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:02,875 And it sets me off a little 799 01:22:02,875 --> 01:22:04,416 bit onto a different pathway, 800 01:22:04,666 --> 01:22:05,583 you know, for a time being 801 01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:06,625 until I can either steer back 802 01:22:06,625 --> 01:22:08,500 or maybe it puts me, you 803 01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:09,208 know, on the wrong pathway 804 01:22:09,208 --> 01:22:10,416 for a while during that day. 805 01:22:11,875 --> 01:22:13,166 So I'll keep talking if you wanted to, 806 01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:13,583 I didn't know if you 807 01:22:13,583 --> 01:22:14,583 wanted to jump in there or not, 808 01:22:14,583 --> 01:22:17,375 but my point being here a little bit is 809 01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:21,375 it's interesting because even at our age, 810 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:22,625 and when I think I've got 811 01:22:22,625 --> 01:22:23,833 it together to some degree, 812 01:22:24,916 --> 01:22:27,041 I'm still not preaching this book, 813 01:22:27,041 --> 01:22:27,833 but I'm still, you know, 814 01:22:27,833 --> 01:22:29,041 doing this book review. 815 01:22:29,250 --> 01:22:29,875 And I'm going, oh my 816 01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:31,250 gosh, I don't do that. 817 01:22:31,541 --> 01:22:32,500 I haven't done that. 818 01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:34,333 Have I really been, have 819 01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:35,291 I taken that real interest 820 01:22:35,291 --> 01:22:36,000 in other people? 821 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,083 Because so much during 822 01:22:37,083 --> 01:22:38,333 this time of our lives, 823 01:22:39,458 --> 01:22:40,416 we're self-focused. 824 01:22:41,541 --> 01:22:42,791 We're building a family, 825 01:22:43,708 --> 01:22:44,833 you're building a career. 826 01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:46,583 And that's what you're doing. 827 01:22:46,583 --> 01:22:48,375 And it's tough to find time 828 01:22:48,375 --> 01:22:49,833 to fit other things in there. 829 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,083 And some of this was, you know, 830 01:22:51,083 --> 01:22:52,375 taking interest in other people. 831 01:22:53,375 --> 01:22:54,458 And I've talked for about 832 01:22:54,458 --> 01:22:55,416 30 minutes straight now, 833 01:22:55,416 --> 01:22:57,500 I feel like, but I know 834 01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,583 there's people in my life 835 01:22:59,041 --> 01:23:00,583 that I haven't, people 836 01:23:00,583 --> 01:23:01,666 that I do care about even, 837 01:23:01,666 --> 01:23:02,291 that I probably just 838 01:23:02,291 --> 01:23:03,750 haven't slowed down enough 839 01:23:04,375 --> 01:23:06,375 and taken that genuine interest in them. 840 01:23:06,375 --> 01:23:08,250 So I really, I just 841 01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:09,541 really feel the journey of life 842 01:23:09,708 --> 01:23:13,375 is constant and that growth is constant. 843 01:23:14,208 --> 01:23:14,875 And that's exciting. 844 01:23:14,958 --> 01:23:15,500 And that's part of what 845 01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:16,708 this podcast is about too. 846 01:23:17,625 --> 01:23:19,541 And I'm right there with you. 847 01:23:19,541 --> 01:23:24,666 I think the inertia of the time of life 848 01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:26,458 that is in front of us right now, 849 01:23:26,666 --> 01:23:27,500 it kind of just takes 850 01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:29,250 you and you focus on, 851 01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:30,000 and you almost get into 852 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,208 fight or flight mode of like, 853 01:23:32,416 --> 01:23:33,500 I have to do this, I have to 854 01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:34,541 do this, I have to do this. 855 01:23:34,916 --> 01:23:35,541 And if you're not 856 01:23:35,541 --> 01:23:38,416 prioritizing friendships 857 01:23:38,625 --> 01:23:40,791 and other things, just 858 01:23:40,791 --> 01:23:42,583 genuinely taking an interest 859 01:23:42,583 --> 01:23:43,541 in slowing down for a 860 01:23:43,541 --> 01:23:44,750 moment and investing time, 861 01:23:44,916 --> 01:23:48,000 and people like that's a 862 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,125 trap that you can fall into. 863 01:23:50,541 --> 01:23:52,500 I know I've fallen into it. 864 01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:54,458 And so I've been a 865 01:23:54,458 --> 01:23:56,333 listener of Now Morning Serial. 866 01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:57,166 I've listened to every 867 01:23:57,166 --> 01:23:59,083 episode and every single one, 868 01:24:00,166 --> 01:24:02,791 I take away those nuggets and I'm like, 869 01:24:02,791 --> 01:24:04,500 I got to be better today. 870 01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:06,666 And it's what I love about 871 01:24:06,666 --> 01:24:08,291 the book that you're unpacking 872 01:24:08,791 --> 01:24:09,583 is that it is so 873 01:24:09,583 --> 01:24:11,458 digestible and it's so relatable. 874 01:24:11,666 --> 01:24:12,458 And if you can just take 875 01:24:12,458 --> 01:24:14,083 little bits and incorporate it, 876 01:24:14,125 --> 01:24:16,166 I think it'll really help 877 01:24:16,166 --> 01:24:18,583 nourish those relationships 878 01:24:18,833 --> 01:24:20,750 that maybe you haven't been good at. 879 01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:22,208 Yeah, well, it's funny, 880 01:24:22,208 --> 01:24:23,500 because I often think to 881 01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:24,958 myself that the title of the book 882 01:24:24,958 --> 01:24:25,916 is "How to Win Friends 883 01:24:25,916 --> 01:24:26,750 and Influence People," 884 01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:28,291 but it could also be, well, 885 01:24:28,291 --> 01:24:30,166 no duh, you know what I mean? 886 01:24:30,833 --> 01:24:33,125 Like, it's so simple at times, 887 01:24:33,541 --> 01:24:34,833 but those simple things 888 01:24:34,833 --> 01:24:36,875 we just sometimes skip over 889 01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:39,208 because we're selfish or 890 01:24:39,208 --> 01:24:40,791 we're just in that moment. 891 01:24:40,791 --> 01:24:41,666 And I'm just going from 892 01:24:41,666 --> 01:24:42,666 one thing to the next. 893 01:24:43,208 --> 01:24:44,416 I know there's times I'm 894 01:24:44,416 --> 01:24:45,250 sitting on the sideline 895 01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:46,250 or I'm walking to the 896 01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:47,333 car or when I'm around, 897 01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:50,875 I'm four days ahead, right? 898 01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:52,208 I'm thinking about what 899 01:24:52,208 --> 01:24:53,000 was I supposed to be doing? 900 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:53,750 What do I need to do? 901 01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:54,416 How do I plan? 902 01:24:54,416 --> 01:24:55,041 What do I do with these 903 01:24:55,041 --> 01:24:56,333 extra 15 minutes here? 904 01:24:57,208 --> 01:24:57,916 And we talked about it a 905 01:24:57,916 --> 01:24:59,250 little bit last week that, 906 01:25:00,416 --> 01:25:01,041 part of the, or maybe 907 01:25:01,041 --> 01:25:01,708 it was two weeks ago, 908 01:25:01,708 --> 01:25:02,250 talking about New Year's 909 01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:03,875 resolution is slowing down 910 01:25:03,875 --> 01:25:05,208 and just enjoying that moment. 911 01:25:05,875 --> 01:25:07,625 One example, yesterday, I'm walking out, 912 01:25:07,625 --> 01:25:08,500 taking the trash out, 913 01:25:09,375 --> 01:25:11,666 and I've been just going, 914 01:25:11,666 --> 01:25:12,791 going, going, trying to catch up, 915 01:25:12,791 --> 01:25:13,791 I feel like a little bit here. 916 01:25:14,541 --> 01:25:16,416 And I literally was walking 917 01:25:16,416 --> 01:25:17,708 out, taking the trash out, 918 01:25:18,708 --> 01:25:21,291 and just for a moment, heard the birds, 919 01:25:21,708 --> 01:25:23,625 felt a little bit of the sun on the skin, 920 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:24,916 even though it was colder, 921 01:25:25,166 --> 01:25:27,541 but that crisp air, just clean air, 922 01:25:28,625 --> 01:25:29,583 for one moment I did 923 01:25:29,583 --> 01:25:30,625 just go like, you know what? 924 01:25:30,625 --> 01:25:31,125 We're blessed. 925 01:25:31,666 --> 01:25:32,666 This is a good life. 926 01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:35,833 You need to do that more often, I think. 927 01:25:36,333 --> 01:25:38,083 I think so. 928 01:25:38,375 --> 01:25:38,916 You specifically? 929 01:25:39,625 --> 01:25:40,416 Well, no, me specifically. 930 01:25:40,416 --> 01:25:41,666 Us in general, people in general. 931 01:25:42,083 --> 01:25:43,458 I do think me specifically. 932 01:25:43,458 --> 01:25:44,625 Because you're so just, no. 933 01:25:45,833 --> 01:25:47,500 So in my own world, I'm so selfish. 934 01:25:48,250 --> 01:25:51,208 And maybe this is, apologies, 935 01:25:51,833 --> 01:25:53,708 and I'm sorry to people who are listening 936 01:25:53,833 --> 01:25:55,500 who maybe we haven't 937 01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:57,583 been, or invested the time, 938 01:25:57,791 --> 01:25:58,708 that we should have. 939 01:25:58,708 --> 01:25:59,208 So maybe it's an 940 01:25:59,208 --> 01:26:00,250 apology to the listeners, 941 01:26:01,750 --> 01:26:04,041 and knowing that we're working on it, 942 01:26:04,375 --> 01:26:05,958 and we're trying to get better. 943 01:26:07,416 --> 01:26:08,750 Yeah, and I will not 944 01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:09,666 walk that back at all. 945 01:26:09,666 --> 01:26:10,541 You're right on that. 946 01:26:11,666 --> 01:26:12,666 But I would just add that it wasn't, 947 01:26:13,125 --> 01:26:13,541 nothing, none of it would 948 01:26:13,541 --> 01:26:15,208 have been intentional, right? 949 01:26:15,333 --> 01:26:15,791 Correct. 950 01:26:16,166 --> 01:26:17,333 Because there are some people, 951 01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:18,208 and one of the things I was gonna say 952 01:26:18,208 --> 01:26:18,750 when you were saying 953 01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:20,583 it, talking through this, 954 01:26:20,583 --> 01:26:22,541 was that some people are so good at it. 955 01:26:22,583 --> 01:26:23,833 So good at it. 956 01:26:23,875 --> 01:26:24,791 Just, you know, send 957 01:26:24,791 --> 01:26:25,958 in a text here or there, 958 01:26:25,958 --> 01:26:27,208 and it's like, you know, 959 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:28,708 I've reminded you at times, 960 01:26:28,916 --> 01:26:31,041 we have good friends that, you know, 961 01:26:31,041 --> 01:26:32,208 just moved to Colorado Springs, 962 01:26:32,208 --> 01:26:32,833 and we were becoming 963 01:26:32,833 --> 01:26:33,666 good friends with them, 964 01:26:33,666 --> 01:26:35,041 and they just moved to Colorado Springs, 965 01:26:36,083 --> 01:26:38,541 and they're great people that I'd love 966 01:26:38,541 --> 01:26:39,291 to have a further 967 01:26:39,291 --> 01:26:40,791 relationship with, you know, 968 01:26:40,791 --> 01:26:41,833 carry that on, and I know 969 01:26:41,833 --> 01:26:43,625 she texts you sometimes, 970 01:26:43,875 --> 01:26:46,041 and you are historically-- 971 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:47,666 Terrible at it. 972 01:26:48,208 --> 01:26:50,041 Yeah, you're a terrible texter. 973 01:26:50,041 --> 01:26:50,875 I mean, anybody that, 974 01:26:51,083 --> 01:26:52,000 some people will text me, 975 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:52,458 and they're like, "Hey, do 976 01:26:52,458 --> 01:26:53,291 you know if Megan got it?" 977 01:26:53,291 --> 01:26:54,500 I'm like, "I'm sure she got it." 978 01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:55,666 But how long has it been? 979 01:26:55,666 --> 01:26:56,750 Has it been over 18 days? 980 01:26:57,166 --> 01:26:58,291 Because if it's been over 18 days, 981 01:26:58,291 --> 01:26:59,666 she probably hasn't got back to you. 982 01:27:00,041 --> 01:27:01,625 But we've talked through, like, hey, 983 01:27:01,625 --> 01:27:04,708 if we want to really 984 01:27:04,708 --> 01:27:07,041 invest in these relationships, 985 01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:07,916 we have to take the time 986 01:27:07,916 --> 01:27:09,125 just to send a text, even, 987 01:27:09,125 --> 01:27:10,291 and that's the bare minimum. 988 01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:11,416 That's the bare minimum, 989 01:27:11,416 --> 01:27:13,875 and I am notoriously bad at that. 990 01:27:15,250 --> 01:27:16,958 And so this isn't like a, 991 01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:18,166 "Shawn needs to get better." 992 01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:20,041 It's an, "I need to get better," so-- 993 01:27:20,333 --> 01:27:20,958 I'm not pointing the 994 01:27:20,958 --> 01:27:21,875 finger at you right now, either. 995 01:27:22,083 --> 01:27:22,916 That was not my intent. 996 01:27:23,333 --> 01:27:24,875 No, it's just a good, like, 997 01:27:24,958 --> 01:27:25,500 I think there's probably 998 01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:26,625 some people maybe listening 999 01:27:26,708 --> 01:27:27,958 who feel the same way, 1000 01:27:27,958 --> 01:27:29,291 like, "Yeah, I'm not very good." 1001 01:27:29,416 --> 01:27:31,125 So, know that that's been 1002 01:27:31,125 --> 01:27:32,041 my New Year's resolution, 1003 01:27:32,708 --> 01:27:33,666 and so I'm usually 1004 01:27:33,666 --> 01:27:34,791 really good in January. 1005 01:27:35,333 --> 01:27:36,208 Maybe if you text me, 1006 01:27:36,208 --> 01:27:37,166 like, do it in January, 1007 01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:38,458 because I'll probably 1008 01:27:38,458 --> 01:27:40,041 get a response back, but-- 1009 01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:40,750 Every 12 months? 1010 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:41,916 Every 12 months, I-- 1011 01:27:42,083 --> 01:27:43,916 January's a really good month to text me. 1012 01:27:43,916 --> 01:27:44,541 Yeah, yeah, it's a 1013 01:27:44,541 --> 01:27:45,416 great month to text me. 1014 01:27:45,416 --> 01:27:46,583 If you text me in July, 1015 01:27:47,708 --> 01:27:48,208 maybe I'm a little 1016 01:27:48,208 --> 01:27:49,083 slower in my responses. 1017 01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:50,500 You might be on vacation, then. 1018 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:51,666 It's true, it's true. 1019 01:27:51,708 --> 01:27:52,375 It's the one month we get 1020 01:27:52,375 --> 01:27:53,291 off of soccer, generally. 1021 01:27:53,708 --> 01:27:54,583 Generally, yeah. 1022 01:27:54,583 --> 01:27:55,583 Oh, July's a great month. 1023 01:27:55,916 --> 01:27:56,166 Yeah. 1024 01:27:57,125 --> 01:27:59,500 That's, I think all 1025 01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:00,916 that to say is, you know, 1026 01:28:01,375 --> 01:28:04,500 I think we also impose a lot of extra 1027 01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:06,333 things on our lives. 1028 01:28:07,125 --> 01:28:08,625 As we were celebrating 1029 01:28:08,625 --> 01:28:09,875 our daughter's birthday, 1030 01:28:10,208 --> 01:28:11,750 it dawned on me that 1031 01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:14,708 it was four years ago 1032 01:28:15,291 --> 01:28:17,125 that we moved out of our house, 1033 01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:18,041 and we embarked on a 1034 01:28:18,041 --> 01:28:20,916 journey to build a new house, 1035 01:28:21,125 --> 01:28:22,416 only about 200 yards from 1036 01:28:22,416 --> 01:28:23,250 where we had been living 1037 01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:23,833 for eight years. 1038 01:28:25,125 --> 01:28:28,500 And just the additional 1039 01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:31,541 job that we added onto us 1040 01:28:31,541 --> 01:28:33,083 as we were building the house. 1041 01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:36,083 All of the interesting stories we've had 1042 01:28:36,083 --> 01:28:37,125 over the last four years and 1043 01:28:37,125 --> 01:28:38,250 the journey that we went on. 1044 01:28:38,791 --> 01:28:40,666 So some of the busyness is self-imposed. 1045 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:42,958 A lot of it is. 1046 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:43,666 A lot of it is. 1047 01:28:43,708 --> 01:28:44,166 First off, I can't 1048 01:28:44,166 --> 01:28:45,208 believe that's been four years 1049 01:28:45,458 --> 01:28:47,041 since we moved out of that neighborhood 1050 01:28:48,541 --> 01:28:50,125 and embarked on this, but you're right. 1051 01:28:51,083 --> 01:28:52,041 You're exactly right. 1052 01:28:52,041 --> 01:28:52,541 You make a really good 1053 01:28:52,541 --> 01:28:53,500 point there, as usual. 1054 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:54,666 I need to have a ticker 1055 01:28:54,666 --> 01:28:55,333 on how many times I say 1056 01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:57,250 you make a good point, but-- 1057 01:28:58,208 --> 01:28:59,708 Might start going negative after a while. 1058 01:29:00,666 --> 01:29:01,416 That was a bad point. 1059 01:29:01,458 --> 01:29:02,416 That was a bad point. 1060 01:29:02,666 --> 01:29:03,833 Just going down, that's hilarious. 1061 01:29:05,333 --> 01:29:06,750 We do, a lot of it's self-inflicted. 1062 01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:07,833 And I know it's on my part, 1063 01:29:07,833 --> 01:29:11,000 because I think if I were to be an alien 1064 01:29:11,166 --> 01:29:11,916 that's watching you and 1065 01:29:11,916 --> 01:29:12,750 I and our relationships 1066 01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:14,000 and our lives and how 1067 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,625 our paths, you know, 1068 01:29:15,625 --> 01:29:16,875 our life's journey go, it's, 1069 01:29:17,291 --> 01:29:17,875 you're just kind of 1070 01:29:17,875 --> 01:29:19,750 steady, Eddie, you know. 1071 01:29:19,791 --> 01:29:20,250 Oh yeah. 1072 01:29:21,041 --> 01:29:21,500 I'm going, you know, just 1073 01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:23,875 rowing in a straight path, 1074 01:29:24,125 --> 01:29:25,500 you know, in smooth waters. 1075 01:29:26,708 --> 01:29:29,291 And if they look at me, 1076 01:29:30,041 --> 01:29:31,375 I'm probably on a jet ski, 1077 01:29:32,166 --> 01:29:34,291 just going side to side here and there. 1078 01:29:34,291 --> 01:29:35,750 And you know, I fell off the jet ski, 1079 01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:36,875 I'm getting back on it, you 1080 01:29:36,875 --> 01:29:37,791 know, I'm all over the place. 1081 01:29:38,041 --> 01:29:39,833 You know, like Pong. 1082 01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:42,208 And a lot of that, to 1083 01:29:42,208 --> 01:29:43,333 your point, is self-imposed 1084 01:29:43,541 --> 01:29:46,500 because of just me, you know. 1085 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:48,166 I got this entrepreneurial thing 1086 01:29:48,166 --> 01:29:49,500 where I've done all these businesses. 1087 01:29:49,791 --> 01:29:50,916 You know, I added them up, 1088 01:29:50,916 --> 01:29:52,000 I've had 12 different 1089 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,958 companies that I've started. 1090 01:29:54,583 --> 01:29:54,958 That's awesome. 1091 01:29:55,625 --> 01:29:57,166 And some of them have been great. 1092 01:29:58,041 --> 01:29:59,083 Some of them have not. 1093 01:29:59,708 --> 01:30:01,875 But every one of them has taken time. 1094 01:30:03,375 --> 01:30:03,875 And that's a 1095 01:30:03,875 --> 01:30:08,500 self-imposed, you know, suck of time 1096 01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:09,791 that I don't have to 1097 01:30:09,791 --> 01:30:10,583 do other things with. 1098 01:30:10,875 --> 01:30:11,041 Right. 1099 01:30:11,541 --> 01:30:12,625 I work with someone and 1100 01:30:12,625 --> 01:30:14,083 his phrase that he uses a lot 1101 01:30:14,083 --> 01:30:15,125 is embrace the suck. 1102 01:30:17,958 --> 01:30:18,833 Gotta make that t-shirt. 1103 01:30:19,583 --> 01:30:22,375 I don't know where that might be sold. 1104 01:30:23,166 --> 01:30:23,708 It's more like a 1105 01:30:23,708 --> 01:30:24,791 Spencer gift kind of a thing. 1106 01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:26,125 That's right, that's right. 1107 01:30:26,916 --> 01:30:27,083 Although-- 1108 01:30:27,083 --> 01:30:27,666 It's a little bit borderline. 1109 01:30:28,041 --> 01:30:29,833 Although there's a guy in our soccer team 1110 01:30:29,833 --> 01:30:31,208 that's really good at making t-shirts, 1111 01:30:31,208 --> 01:30:32,083 maybe he'll hear that. 1112 01:30:32,791 --> 01:30:33,208 Oh yeah. 1113 01:30:33,291 --> 01:30:34,375 Who gift one to us. 1114 01:30:34,416 --> 01:30:35,791 Oh yeah, that would, yeah. 1115 01:30:35,875 --> 01:30:36,625 Although I do have a 1116 01:30:36,625 --> 01:30:38,125 t-shirt making machine now 1117 01:30:38,541 --> 01:30:39,208 that's been up in the 1118 01:30:39,208 --> 01:30:40,875 box in the laundry room 1119 01:30:40,958 --> 01:30:42,833 for four months now. 1120 01:30:44,041 --> 01:30:47,083 And so yeah, it's about finding the time. 1121 01:30:47,083 --> 01:30:47,875 I was just gonna say, 1122 01:30:47,875 --> 01:30:48,958 that's another time thing 1123 01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:51,500 that I have in just another 1124 01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:53,000 one of those barrel tangents, 1125 01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,041 like I wanna make t-shirts. 1126 01:30:54,541 --> 01:30:55,958 I wanna put these things on her. 1127 01:30:56,708 --> 01:30:57,708 We will get there. 1128 01:30:59,541 --> 01:31:00,708 But apparently for me, 1129 01:31:00,708 --> 01:31:01,500 it's the difference between, 1130 01:31:02,166 --> 01:31:03,166 I've been good about sending texts, 1131 01:31:04,041 --> 01:31:05,500 but not about making t-shirts. 1132 01:31:06,208 --> 01:31:06,416 Yeah. 1133 01:31:06,916 --> 01:31:12,750 So I think hopefully we 1134 01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:14,041 can still balance it all. 1135 01:31:14,458 --> 01:31:16,875 I think, I don't know, I almost feel like 1136 01:31:17,916 --> 01:31:20,083 some of those more self-imposed things 1137 01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:23,333 and the trajectory that 1138 01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:24,666 some of those self-imposed 1139 01:31:26,583 --> 01:31:28,166 projects that we take on, 1140 01:31:28,875 --> 01:31:30,083 they do help shape your 1141 01:31:30,083 --> 01:31:32,166 life and they add color. 1142 01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:34,166 I think, yeah, I'm 1143 01:31:34,166 --> 01:31:35,458 the steady Eddie Rohrer 1144 01:31:36,041 --> 01:31:39,000 and you're the whitewater rafting person, 1145 01:31:39,833 --> 01:31:41,708 but you kinda need both in your life. 1146 01:31:41,958 --> 01:31:42,916 Like I think, at 1147 01:31:42,916 --> 01:31:43,708 least our kids would think 1148 01:31:43,708 --> 01:31:46,000 we were really boring if I was the one 1149 01:31:46,750 --> 01:31:48,083 completely in charge of our lives. 1150 01:31:48,083 --> 01:31:49,458 And I think you were the 1151 01:31:49,458 --> 01:31:50,250 one completely in charge 1152 01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:50,875 of our lives, they're 1153 01:31:50,875 --> 01:31:52,000 like, get me off this ride. 1154 01:31:52,375 --> 01:31:54,708 So I think because we have both, 1155 01:31:55,666 --> 01:31:56,583 we've been able to add 1156 01:31:56,583 --> 01:31:57,375 a whole bunch of color, 1157 01:31:57,625 --> 01:31:58,291 a whole bunch of great 1158 01:31:58,291 --> 01:32:00,666 experiences to our life. 1159 01:32:01,375 --> 01:32:04,375 Yeah, and you kinda started that with, 1160 01:32:05,625 --> 01:32:06,791 four years ago we decided 1161 01:32:06,791 --> 01:32:08,375 to take this tangent, right? 1162 01:32:08,583 --> 01:32:09,625 And do this thing and 1163 01:32:09,625 --> 01:32:11,541 at that point in time, 1164 01:32:13,041 --> 01:32:16,333 when we met, I was 1165 01:32:16,333 --> 01:32:17,708 trying to go to grad school 1166 01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:19,208 for architecture, 1167 01:32:19,708 --> 01:32:21,416 because I absolutely love 1168 01:32:21,416 --> 01:32:22,625 residential architecture. 1169 01:32:22,625 --> 01:32:24,000 If I could go back and be a 1170 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,250 builder or be an architect, 1171 01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:26,250 I probably would do it. 1172 01:32:26,833 --> 01:32:29,375 But that was at the University of Kansas 1173 01:32:30,291 --> 01:32:31,666 and you were in 1174 01:32:31,666 --> 01:32:34,791 Minnesota and in hindsight, 1175 01:32:34,791 --> 01:32:35,833 I think I made the right decision. 1176 01:32:36,166 --> 01:32:39,708 I left Kansas to go be with this girl 1177 01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:41,291 I was just met on a cruise. 1178 01:32:43,833 --> 01:32:45,416 And that's another story we 1179 01:32:45,416 --> 01:32:46,500 can get into at another time. 1180 01:32:47,166 --> 01:32:49,708 But I say all that to say, 1181 01:32:50,375 --> 01:32:52,125 that's one of those things inside of me 1182 01:32:52,125 --> 01:32:53,666 that I always wanted to build a house. 1183 01:32:54,458 --> 01:32:55,958 It's just something I wanted to get to 1184 01:32:55,958 --> 01:32:56,500 if we ever had the 1185 01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:58,000 financial capability of doing it 1186 01:32:58,458 --> 01:32:59,958 in a custom house, right? 1187 01:32:59,958 --> 01:33:00,916 Like we built our Pulte 1188 01:33:00,916 --> 01:33:02,916 house when we were in Chicago 1189 01:33:03,208 --> 01:33:04,291 and that was our first home. 1190 01:33:05,125 --> 01:33:07,541 But it was a spec home, not a spec home, 1191 01:33:07,541 --> 01:33:08,500 but it was a Pulte home. 1192 01:33:08,958 --> 01:33:09,500 It was a semi-custom. 1193 01:33:09,833 --> 01:33:10,708 Semi-custom, that's right. 1194 01:33:11,250 --> 01:33:12,125 But this was a full 1195 01:33:12,125 --> 01:33:13,291 custom house, ground up. 1196 01:33:13,708 --> 01:33:16,458 We drew squares and rectangles and 1197 01:33:16,458 --> 01:33:17,666 whatever else it might be. 1198 01:33:17,666 --> 01:33:17,875 Yep. 1199 01:33:18,583 --> 01:33:20,000 So we started on this journey 1200 01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:21,791 and it was something that I 1201 01:33:21,791 --> 01:33:23,166 always wanted to do obviously, 1202 01:33:24,083 --> 01:33:25,708 but that journey of what I 1203 01:33:25,708 --> 01:33:26,458 thought was just gonna be 1204 01:33:26,458 --> 01:33:28,125 a straight, steady Eddie rowing 1205 01:33:28,708 --> 01:33:30,791 turned out to be way more chaotic 1206 01:33:31,291 --> 01:33:33,041 than we thought it would be, right? 1207 01:33:34,166 --> 01:33:36,916 And it's added a lot of color. 1208 01:33:37,083 --> 01:33:38,291 And now we're in a beautiful home 1209 01:33:38,291 --> 01:33:40,041 and we're making more memories here 1210 01:33:40,041 --> 01:33:41,666 because you did not 1211 01:33:41,666 --> 01:33:42,500 want to leave that house. 1212 01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:42,750 I did not. 1213 01:33:43,166 --> 01:33:45,916 I think this was the first time in, 1214 01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:47,000 well at the time it was 1215 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,000 about 15 years of being together 1216 01:33:49,166 --> 01:33:50,583 where you and I had a 1217 01:33:50,583 --> 01:33:52,625 completely different view 1218 01:33:52,625 --> 01:33:53,916 of what we wanted to do. 1219 01:33:54,125 --> 01:33:57,916 And so this was usually, I mean, I'd say, 1220 01:33:58,166 --> 01:33:59,833 we're usually on the same path, 100%. 1221 01:34:00,208 --> 01:34:01,291 We have the same 1222 01:34:01,291 --> 01:34:03,541 decorating ideas, design ideas. 1223 01:34:03,541 --> 01:34:05,083 We have so much in common 1224 01:34:05,083 --> 01:34:05,958 that usually these 1225 01:34:05,958 --> 01:34:06,916 types of things are easy. 1226 01:34:06,958 --> 01:34:08,291 Even major career moves, 1227 01:34:08,708 --> 01:34:11,833 we've moved a lot in our relationship 1228 01:34:12,166 --> 01:34:13,916 and it was always 100%. 1229 01:34:15,041 --> 01:34:15,458 If we were to 1230 01:34:15,458 --> 01:34:16,708 independently say our answer, 1231 01:34:16,708 --> 01:34:17,125 we would have said 1232 01:34:17,125 --> 01:34:18,250 the same answer, right? 1233 01:34:18,708 --> 01:34:20,583 This was one where we weren't. 1234 01:34:21,125 --> 01:34:24,250 And so we ended up after a 1235 01:34:24,250 --> 01:34:25,750 lot of discussion saying, 1236 01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:27,875 okay, we're getting a lot of discussion. 1237 01:34:29,083 --> 01:34:31,125 Maybe a couple of tears on my part. 1238 01:34:32,791 --> 01:34:32,958 Sorry. 1239 01:34:33,666 --> 01:34:35,625 Oh no, no, that's not. 1240 01:34:37,041 --> 01:34:37,875 That's not on you. 1241 01:34:39,375 --> 01:34:42,000 But we ended up embarking on this journey 1242 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,666 and I don't regret it at all, at all. 1243 01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:47,750 And I just, I told you, I was like, 1244 01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:49,041 it's gonna take time for me. 1245 01:34:49,041 --> 01:34:49,875 We're gonna need to be in 1246 01:34:49,875 --> 01:34:52,041 this house and make it a home. 1247 01:34:52,416 --> 01:34:53,791 And we're absolutely there. 1248 01:34:53,791 --> 01:34:54,500 We love it. 1249 01:34:56,083 --> 01:34:58,250 But it was a little bit turbulent there. 1250 01:34:58,541 --> 01:34:59,833 You had to handle most of it 1251 01:34:59,833 --> 01:35:00,541 because you're so 1252 01:35:00,541 --> 01:35:01,875 good at the design aspect 1253 01:35:02,625 --> 01:35:04,833 and I was completely overwhelmed. 1254 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:06,708 Yeah, well, that was 1255 01:35:06,708 --> 01:35:07,500 part of our discussion. 1256 01:35:07,708 --> 01:35:08,833 I mean, A, you didn't 1257 01:35:08,833 --> 01:35:10,083 wanna leave the house 1258 01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:11,666 that we'd been in for eight years 1259 01:35:11,666 --> 01:35:12,416 and our children had 1260 01:35:12,416 --> 01:35:13,750 kind of grown up in, right? 1261 01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:15,333 Our youngest was a year 1262 01:35:15,333 --> 01:35:16,916 old when we moved in there 1263 01:35:16,916 --> 01:35:17,333 and he was eight 1264 01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:18,500 years old when we left it. 1265 01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:19,875 So it was kind of the 1266 01:35:19,875 --> 01:35:20,708 house that they knew. 1267 01:35:21,458 --> 01:35:22,500 And I don't know that 1268 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:23,375 they wanted to either 1269 01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:26,000 because part of the story here is, 1270 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:26,875 and people that don't know, 1271 01:35:27,625 --> 01:35:30,000 we sold that house in 1272 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,208 order to buy the lot 1273 01:35:32,166 --> 01:35:33,875 and we ended up renting a 1274 01:35:33,875 --> 01:35:35,333 house directly across the street 1275 01:35:35,791 --> 01:35:36,583 where we live now. 1276 01:35:37,833 --> 01:35:38,541 And that house was 1277 01:35:38,541 --> 01:35:39,916 about a quarter of the size 1278 01:35:39,916 --> 01:35:41,416 of the house that we moved out of. 1279 01:35:41,666 --> 01:35:42,166 Oh yeah. 1280 01:35:42,708 --> 01:35:44,333 And about 100 years older. 1281 01:35:44,583 --> 01:35:44,750 Uh-huh. 1282 01:35:45,458 --> 01:35:48,000 And it didn't, all the doors didn't close 1283 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,541 and all the windows didn't shut tight. 1284 01:35:50,333 --> 01:35:51,208 And that was an 1285 01:35:51,208 --> 01:35:53,208 experience to get everybody like, 1286 01:35:53,208 --> 01:35:54,583 hey guys, I remember 1287 01:35:54,583 --> 01:35:56,083 walking through that place 1288 01:35:56,625 --> 01:35:58,750 going like, I think we 1289 01:35:58,750 --> 01:36:00,041 could make this work. 1290 01:36:00,041 --> 01:36:01,125 Like I'm trying to sell it, 1291 01:36:01,125 --> 01:36:02,333 but in my back of my mind, 1292 01:36:02,458 --> 01:36:03,250 I'm like, are we 1293 01:36:03,250 --> 01:36:05,083 seriously considering this? 1294 01:36:06,083 --> 01:36:07,958 Yeah, and I think it 1295 01:36:07,958 --> 01:36:09,500 was, we both came back to, 1296 01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:10,666 we can make anything work 1297 01:36:10,666 --> 01:36:12,208 for a short amount of time. 1298 01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:13,791 And it was honestly the 1299 01:36:13,791 --> 01:36:15,458 best, it was the best thing 1300 01:36:15,458 --> 01:36:16,833 because we could be 1301 01:36:16,833 --> 01:36:17,750 right across the street 1302 01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:18,916 from the house we were building. 1303 01:36:19,916 --> 01:36:20,875 And it was probably a 1304 01:36:20,875 --> 01:36:21,916 good learning experience 1305 01:36:22,041 --> 01:36:26,208 for our kids who, we are blessed. 1306 01:36:26,208 --> 01:36:27,541 We'll go back to the statement you said 1307 01:36:27,916 --> 01:36:29,458 toward the beginning, we are blessed 1308 01:36:29,666 --> 01:36:31,750 and our children had 1309 01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:32,916 never had to share a bathroom. 1310 01:36:32,916 --> 01:36:33,666 Like I grew up sharing a 1311 01:36:33,666 --> 01:36:34,541 bathroom with four siblings. 1312 01:36:34,916 --> 01:36:35,791 Like, I don't know, that 1313 01:36:35,791 --> 01:36:36,875 was just how I grew up. 1314 01:36:36,875 --> 01:36:39,166 Our kids were a little bit pampered 1315 01:36:39,166 --> 01:36:40,125 in the fact that they had 1316 01:36:40,125 --> 01:36:41,333 always had their own bathroom. 1317 01:36:41,333 --> 01:36:42,333 Well, now they had to share. 1318 01:36:42,791 --> 01:36:44,458 And they actually had to share a bathroom 1319 01:36:44,541 --> 01:36:46,083 where the shower didn't quite work. 1320 01:36:46,083 --> 01:36:46,833 So they kind of had to 1321 01:36:46,833 --> 01:36:48,375 take what we call bowers, 1322 01:36:48,375 --> 01:36:50,416 which is the shower and 1323 01:36:50,416 --> 01:36:51,375 a bath at the same time 1324 01:36:51,375 --> 01:36:52,208 because the water didn't come 1325 01:36:52,208 --> 01:36:53,666 out of the faucet very well. 1326 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,958 So it was always very strange for them. 1327 01:36:57,916 --> 01:37:01,666 But they had to really be like, oh gosh, 1328 01:37:02,208 --> 01:37:04,791 we don't have as much as we used to. 1329 01:37:05,625 --> 01:37:06,000 But I think they 1330 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,083 learned a lot through it. 1331 01:37:07,416 --> 01:37:07,875 I think they were 1332 01:37:07,875 --> 01:37:08,708 like, it doesn't matter. 1333 01:37:08,708 --> 01:37:09,791 I'm no less happy. 1334 01:37:10,833 --> 01:37:12,125 We have great memories. 1335 01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:13,291 We laugh a lot. 1336 01:37:13,916 --> 01:37:15,500 Yeah, no, it was a great 1337 01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:17,333 experience, even for me, 1338 01:37:17,583 --> 01:37:18,791 but for our kids for sure, 1339 01:37:18,791 --> 01:37:20,500 to your point that happiness 1340 01:37:20,791 --> 01:37:24,000 isn't based on material things. 1341 01:37:24,750 --> 01:37:25,500 Happiness has nothing 1342 01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:27,583 to do with how much money 1343 01:37:27,666 --> 01:37:28,291 you have in the bank, 1344 01:37:28,291 --> 01:37:29,250 how big your house is, 1345 01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:30,291 what kind of car you drive. 1346 01:37:30,958 --> 01:37:32,833 You can be happy in this 1347 01:37:32,833 --> 01:37:33,833 house that was literally 1348 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,083 falling apart as we lived in it, 1349 01:37:36,625 --> 01:37:38,416 because we brought the happiness home. 1350 01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:41,500 Home literally was where we were. 1351 01:37:41,708 --> 01:37:41,875 Yes. 1352 01:37:42,125 --> 01:37:42,333 Right? 1353 01:37:42,708 --> 01:37:44,375 And we ended up being fine there. 1354 01:37:44,375 --> 01:37:45,041 Do we love it? 1355 01:37:45,208 --> 01:37:45,375 No. 1356 01:37:46,125 --> 01:37:46,875 And if that was a 1357 01:37:46,875 --> 01:37:48,250 long-term solution for us, 1358 01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:48,958 would we have had to 1359 01:37:48,958 --> 01:37:50,291 replace windows and doors 1360 01:37:50,625 --> 01:37:51,375 and all that? 1361 01:37:51,666 --> 01:37:52,000 Yes. 1362 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:53,708 Maybe improve the 1363 01:37:53,708 --> 01:37:55,208 ventilation in the bathroom 1364 01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:56,500 because quick side note, 1365 01:37:56,500 --> 01:37:57,541 yes, there were mushrooms 1366 01:37:57,708 --> 01:37:58,708 growing in the bathrooms. 1367 01:37:59,541 --> 01:38:01,291 As disgusting as that sounds. 1368 01:38:01,541 --> 01:38:02,666 Black mold in our bathroom. 1369 01:38:02,708 --> 01:38:03,541 Black mold, yeah. 1370 01:38:04,291 --> 01:38:05,333 It was only a year and a half, 1371 01:38:05,333 --> 01:38:05,916 so I don't think there's 1372 01:38:05,916 --> 01:38:07,625 long-term health repercussions, 1373 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:09,250 but-- 1374 01:38:10,125 --> 01:38:10,541 TBD maybe. 1375 01:38:10,791 --> 01:38:11,000 TBD. 1376 01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:13,500 We have some amazing memories. 1377 01:38:14,541 --> 01:38:15,916 I think about Christmas morning, 1378 01:38:15,916 --> 01:38:19,125 there was no less joy in that time 1379 01:38:19,958 --> 01:38:21,125 because of where we were living. 1380 01:38:21,416 --> 01:38:23,166 Now, it was chaotic because we 1381 01:38:23,166 --> 01:38:24,416 were also building the house. 1382 01:38:25,583 --> 01:38:26,458 But there was a whole 1383 01:38:26,458 --> 01:38:27,708 bunch of anticipation too. 1384 01:38:28,250 --> 01:38:29,833 So it wasn't all bad, 1385 01:38:30,041 --> 01:38:31,333 but it definitely, that 1386 01:38:31,333 --> 01:38:32,875 was one of those life moments 1387 01:38:32,875 --> 01:38:34,375 that Zigdans egged for us. 1388 01:38:34,875 --> 01:38:36,041 Yeah, it definitely was. 1389 01:38:36,375 --> 01:38:37,125 It definitely was. 1390 01:38:37,375 --> 01:38:38,250 But you're right, in 1391 01:38:38,250 --> 01:38:39,166 the end, it was great. 1392 01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:42,041 Home is here now, 1393 01:38:42,291 --> 01:38:44,166 and there's a lot more to 1394 01:38:44,166 --> 01:38:45,083 talk about on that subject. 1395 01:38:45,291 --> 01:38:45,875 We don't have time to 1396 01:38:45,875 --> 01:38:47,458 go into it on this show, 1397 01:38:47,458 --> 01:38:48,208 but talking about 1398 01:38:48,208 --> 01:38:50,250 finances and planning for that 1399 01:38:50,250 --> 01:38:52,458 and how we looked at retirement with that 1400 01:38:52,458 --> 01:38:53,291 and building this house. 1401 01:38:53,958 --> 01:38:56,208 So more to come on that one probably 1402 01:38:56,458 --> 01:38:58,291 over some future episodes here. 1403 01:38:59,041 --> 01:39:02,083 But ultimately, I think, as you said, 1404 01:39:02,083 --> 01:39:04,208 we kind of have settled in 1405 01:39:04,208 --> 01:39:06,416 to our own routine here now. 1406 01:39:06,958 --> 01:39:09,291 Yeah, and I think we have, 1407 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,250 hopefully now that that big project, 1408 01:39:12,541 --> 01:39:14,083 and even, I think that was maybe a 1409 01:39:14,083 --> 01:39:15,583 learning from both of us, 1410 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,041 is that we kind of 1411 01:39:17,041 --> 01:39:17,916 thought once you build a house, 1412 01:39:18,166 --> 01:39:19,333 it's kind of done and you're good, 1413 01:39:19,333 --> 01:39:20,000 but no, actually, 1414 01:39:20,291 --> 01:39:21,666 there was a lot more there 1415 01:39:21,875 --> 01:39:22,958 that kind of took time even 1416 01:39:22,958 --> 01:39:24,291 after we were in the house. 1417 01:39:24,916 --> 01:39:26,708 So I feel like now that we've 1418 01:39:26,708 --> 01:39:28,375 been in for a year and a half, 1419 01:39:28,875 --> 01:39:29,875 we're really settling in. 1420 01:39:29,875 --> 01:39:30,750 We're settling into a 1421 01:39:30,750 --> 01:39:32,666 new norm, new routines, 1422 01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:37,500 and hopefully we can really put being, 1423 01:39:38,666 --> 01:39:40,041 winning friends and influencing people 1424 01:39:40,541 --> 01:39:42,041 at the top of our list again. 1425 01:39:42,375 --> 01:39:43,708 That would be my hope. 1426 01:39:44,291 --> 01:39:45,250 Yeah, that's right. 1427 01:39:45,708 --> 01:39:47,041 That was a really good way to 1428 01:39:47,041 --> 01:39:48,166 bring that all the way back. 1429 01:39:49,333 --> 01:39:50,708 I mean, no duh, right? 1430 01:39:51,041 --> 01:39:51,708 No duh. 1431 01:39:53,166 --> 01:39:54,166 We always have a highlight 1432 01:39:54,166 --> 01:39:55,875 where we repeat each other 1433 01:39:55,875 --> 01:39:57,208 on some one thing. 1434 01:39:57,791 --> 01:40:01,083 I know, but I think that speaks to just, 1435 01:40:01,291 --> 01:40:03,833 we do think a lot, I don't know if 1436 01:40:03,833 --> 01:40:04,500 there's other couples, 1437 01:40:04,708 --> 01:40:06,000 but out there that do this. 1438 01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:08,166 A lot of times, I mean, we make, 1439 01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:10,333 whether it's a sarcastic comment, 1440 01:40:10,333 --> 01:40:11,416 or we just know what each 1441 01:40:11,416 --> 01:40:12,666 other's thinking by a look. 1442 01:40:12,708 --> 01:40:13,625 Well, it's like a lot of times 1443 01:40:13,625 --> 01:40:15,125 we almost finish each other's-- 1444 01:40:15,541 --> 01:40:15,791 Sandwiches. 1445 01:40:16,291 --> 01:40:16,500 Yep. 1446 01:40:17,125 --> 01:40:18,541 (laughing) 1447 01:40:19,916 --> 01:40:21,333 I was wondering, I really was wondering 1448 01:40:21,333 --> 01:40:22,166 what you were gonna say, 1449 01:40:22,458 --> 01:40:23,000 because I knew you'd pick 1450 01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,333 up on the sentences thing, 1451 01:40:24,333 --> 01:40:25,083 but I didn't know if 1452 01:40:25,083 --> 01:40:25,916 you'd go with sentences, 1453 01:40:26,583 --> 01:40:27,416 and you chose not to, 1454 01:40:27,416 --> 01:40:28,291 you went with sandwiches. 1455 01:40:29,583 --> 01:40:30,666 Well, you know what? 1456 01:40:30,708 --> 01:40:32,083 Which is great, no, that was fantastic. 1457 01:40:32,291 --> 01:40:34,583 That's comedy gold right there. 1458 01:40:34,958 --> 01:40:35,166 Yeah, no. 1459 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:36,166 Press. 1460 01:40:36,458 --> 01:40:37,541 I am nothing if not funny. 1461 01:40:40,041 --> 01:40:42,000 (laughing) The irony there, I'm 1462 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,666 actually not a standup Canadian. 1463 01:40:45,333 --> 01:40:46,583 I did not get that gift. 1464 01:40:46,958 --> 01:40:48,541 Neither one of us are by any means, 1465 01:40:48,875 --> 01:40:50,500 but I would say the kids would say, 1466 01:40:50,875 --> 01:40:55,291 when I'm not bad cop, I think my sarcasm 1467 01:40:55,291 --> 01:40:56,541 within the household 1468 01:40:56,541 --> 01:40:58,000 is probably the one that 1469 01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,416 wins out the day versus-- 1470 01:40:59,875 --> 01:41:00,125 Yes. 1471 01:41:00,166 --> 01:41:01,625 You often say, and I do feel bad. 1472 01:41:01,916 --> 01:41:02,750 You always say, you 1473 01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:03,750 guys are laughing at me. 1474 01:41:04,583 --> 01:41:07,166 Oh yeah, I don't know if 1475 01:41:07,166 --> 01:41:09,041 that's just the mom role 1476 01:41:09,041 --> 01:41:10,833 to play in the house, but honestly, 1477 01:41:11,166 --> 01:41:12,375 I truly am probably the 1478 01:41:12,375 --> 01:41:13,500 butt of most of the jokes. 1479 01:41:13,916 --> 01:41:14,458 I think there's a 1480 01:41:14,458 --> 01:41:15,375 parent in every household 1481 01:41:15,375 --> 01:41:16,208 that's like that, right? 1482 01:41:17,166 --> 01:41:18,916 And it has nothing to 1483 01:41:18,916 --> 01:41:19,875 do with the fact that, 1484 01:41:20,375 --> 01:41:21,875 I mean, you're incredibly intelligent, 1485 01:41:22,208 --> 01:41:22,708 you're sophisticated, 1486 01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:24,125 all that kind of stuff. 1487 01:41:24,125 --> 01:41:26,166 So there's no making fun of you. 1488 01:41:27,666 --> 01:41:29,791 You just do funny things, you know? 1489 01:41:30,291 --> 01:41:31,416 And anybody that's been around, 1490 01:41:31,875 --> 01:41:33,000 well, maybe you don't do 1491 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:33,958 them at soccer practices 1492 01:41:34,250 --> 01:41:36,125 and at the PTA meetings or whatnot, 1493 01:41:36,125 --> 01:41:38,166 but at the home, you're silly in a way, 1494 01:41:38,166 --> 01:41:38,750 and sometimes you just 1495 01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:39,791 do funny things and it's-- 1496 01:41:40,208 --> 01:41:41,375 Yeah, yeah, and I'm 1497 01:41:41,375 --> 01:41:42,458 probably trying to be funny, 1498 01:41:42,458 --> 01:41:44,250 and then it doesn't come across as funny. 1499 01:41:44,250 --> 01:41:45,583 It more comes across as like, 1500 01:41:46,166 --> 01:41:47,000 you're just kind of a 1501 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,166 loser, mom, it's okay. 1502 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,166 Oh, well, we don't wanna 1503 01:41:50,166 --> 01:41:53,208 end on that low note there. 1504 01:41:53,208 --> 01:41:55,000 You're not a loser, no, it's just-- 1505 01:41:55,500 --> 01:41:56,500 I think we try to have, 1506 01:41:56,833 --> 01:41:57,875 I think our family looks 1507 01:41:57,875 --> 01:41:58,833 for a lot of opportunities 1508 01:41:59,125 --> 01:42:00,166 just to be light and 1509 01:42:00,166 --> 01:42:01,916 laugh and find the sarcasm 1510 01:42:01,916 --> 01:42:02,875 and the funny and things. 1511 01:42:02,958 --> 01:42:04,416 Yes, we do, and our-- 1512 01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:05,250 And you make it easy. 1513 01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:07,458 And I make it easy, so I mean, I am-- 1514 01:42:07,458 --> 01:42:08,333 So you're contributing to 1515 01:42:08,333 --> 01:42:09,833 the happiness of our house. 1516 01:42:10,291 --> 01:42:11,250 Right, right. 1517 01:42:11,708 --> 01:42:13,250 And I'm sure most of it's an act anyways. 1518 01:42:13,833 --> 01:42:16,375 I'm sure it is, uh-huh, wink, wink. 1519 01:42:17,583 --> 01:42:18,166 And I think our 1520 01:42:18,166 --> 01:42:19,458 daughter picks up on that, 1521 01:42:19,458 --> 01:42:20,166 and I know we were 1522 01:42:20,166 --> 01:42:21,166 talking about her earlier, 1523 01:42:21,458 --> 01:42:22,916 and we were talking about confidence 1524 01:42:23,083 --> 01:42:26,000 and how a lot of people, we, you know, 1525 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:27,250 have struggled with confidence, 1526 01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:28,666 and one of the things, I 1527 01:42:28,666 --> 01:42:29,791 don't think she struggles 1528 01:42:29,791 --> 01:42:30,958 with confidence, and 1529 01:42:30,958 --> 01:42:32,125 part of that is because 1530 01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:34,375 she has your sarcastic sense of humor. 1531 01:42:34,416 --> 01:42:34,916 She's hilarious. 1532 01:42:35,125 --> 01:42:36,500 She is so funny, and she 1533 01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:38,291 can be so self-deprecating, 1534 01:42:39,166 --> 01:42:42,333 but yet not in a way that 1535 01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:43,333 she's ever putting herself, 1536 01:42:43,625 --> 01:42:44,500 truly putting herself 1537 01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:45,375 down, she's just willing 1538 01:42:45,375 --> 01:42:47,125 to put herself out there to be 1539 01:42:47,125 --> 01:42:48,708 lighthearted and funny. 1540 01:42:50,083 --> 01:42:50,916 And so between the two 1541 01:42:50,916 --> 01:42:53,333 of you, oh my goodness, 1542 01:42:53,333 --> 01:42:55,666 you guys can keep us rolling for days. 1543 01:42:56,041 --> 01:42:58,708 Well, the Paris voice, Paris is our dog. 1544 01:42:58,708 --> 01:42:59,166 Is our puppy. 1545 01:42:59,416 --> 01:43:01,041 Is our puppy, our miniature dog sound, 1546 01:43:01,416 --> 01:43:04,083 and she, I think a lot of people do this, 1547 01:43:04,083 --> 01:43:04,541 because we heard some 1548 01:43:04,541 --> 01:43:05,583 other families do this too, 1549 01:43:05,583 --> 01:43:06,083 but we just have 1550 01:43:06,083 --> 01:43:08,000 basically a cartoon voice for her, 1551 01:43:08,416 --> 01:43:09,791 and she narrates our lives, 1552 01:43:09,791 --> 01:43:11,041 and she narrates her life, 1553 01:43:11,166 --> 01:43:12,833 and she's self-deprecating, 1554 01:43:12,833 --> 01:43:14,375 and she's mostly an idiot. 1555 01:43:14,875 --> 01:43:17,375 You know, is how we kind of character, 1556 01:43:17,625 --> 01:43:21,166 her core character is maybe, I would say, 1557 01:43:21,708 --> 01:43:24,250 but she adds, she's a 1558 01:43:24,250 --> 01:43:25,083 lot of love by herself, 1559 01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:27,125 but that character and 1560 01:43:27,125 --> 01:43:29,000 persona that we've invented 1561 01:43:29,208 --> 01:43:30,708 over the last year and a half with her 1562 01:43:31,375 --> 01:43:32,833 has added so much love 1563 01:43:32,833 --> 01:43:33,750 and laughter to the house, 1564 01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:35,708 I think it's so funny. 1565 01:43:36,041 --> 01:43:36,250 Yep. 1566 01:43:37,166 --> 01:43:40,125 But, anywho, well, I know we gotta run 1567 01:43:40,208 --> 01:43:41,250 to an actual work day, I 1568 01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:42,291 gotta run and catch a flight, 1569 01:43:42,791 --> 01:43:43,583 taking, you know, so 1570 01:43:43,583 --> 01:43:44,916 we'll see the soccer parents 1571 01:43:44,916 --> 01:43:46,500 out there in Vegas here in a few hours, 1572 01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,125 but you know, you wanna 1573 01:43:49,125 --> 01:43:51,208 sign off, any words of wisdom? 1574 01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:53,833 Yeah, no words of wisdom, 1575 01:43:53,833 --> 01:43:55,541 I'm usually pretty short on that, 1576 01:43:55,541 --> 01:43:57,458 but I am excited to come back, 1577 01:43:57,458 --> 01:43:58,250 I think our next podcast 1578 01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:59,500 will probably be unpacking 1579 01:43:59,666 --> 01:44:01,291 some trips to Las Vegas. 1580 01:44:01,708 --> 01:44:03,375 Yeah, well, I can't talk, 1581 01:44:03,583 --> 01:44:05,291 what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, so. 1582 01:44:05,625 --> 01:44:06,458 Okay, so I guess I'll have 1583 01:44:06,458 --> 01:44:07,291 to carry the next podcast. 1584 01:44:07,833 --> 01:44:09,500 Yeah, so I, no Vegas, no 1585 01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:11,041 Vegas stories out of me. 1586 01:44:12,291 --> 01:44:12,708 (laughing) 1587 01:44:13,625 --> 01:44:15,375 All right, well, thanks for tuning in, 1588 01:44:15,541 --> 01:44:16,291 and we can't wait to 1589 01:44:16,291 --> 01:44:17,083 see you back next week. 1590 01:44:17,583 --> 01:44:18,708 Okay, see ya. 1591 01:44:18,708 --> 01:44:19,125 See ya. 1592 01:44:19,208 --> 01:44:19,916 Have a fantastic week. 1593 01:44:20,833 --> 01:44:23,083 (upbeat music)