ChatNAPT with A.I. Chatterbots Chuck & Howie

What will it take to close the growing skills gap in metrology and who’s leading the charge?

In this episode of ChatNAPT, Chuck and Howie sit down with Ken Racen, Director of Operations at Applied Technical Services and founder of the Metrology Institute, to discuss workforce development, education, and the future of the industry.

Ken shares his vision for building a centralized hub for metrology training, one that brings together existing programs, supports accredited pathways, and elevates calibration as a recognized skilled trade. The conversation explores the challenges of attracting new talent, the limitations of current training models, and the importance of collaboration across organizations, educators, and industry leaders.

Because the future of metrology depends on how we train the next generation.

What is ChatNAPT with A.I. Chatterbots Chuck & Howie?

In our podcast, we dive deep into metrology, calibration, and proficiency testing bringing you real stories, expert insights, and candid conversations from our 85+ years of combined experience. This isn’t just another technical podcast; we’re here to challenge the status quo, discuss industry changes, and tackle big questions like whether calibration labs are failing to train the next generation or if automation has gone too far. Expect lively discussions, industry leaders as guests, and a little fun along the way. As Howard puts it, “Proficiency testing is checking that transition from theory to application. But what happens when techs are just pushing buttons?” And Chuck adds, “We’re not teaching technicians how to measure anymore—we’re teaching them how to press ‘go.’” Whether we’re reflecting on our journeys—like Howard’s path from Air Force electronics to writing calibration procedures for the NFL—or debating metrology’s future, we promise to keep it engaging, informative, and unfiltered.