1 00:00:08,934 --> 00:00:11,964 Rob: Welcome back everyone to Subspace Radio. 2 00:00:11,964 --> 00:00:15,114 Another episode of Star Trek is out and we are here to talk about it. 3 00:00:15,114 --> 00:00:16,104 It's me, Rob. 4 00:00:16,398 --> 00:00:17,268 Kevin: And me, Kevin 5 00:00:17,382 --> 00:00:20,322 Rob: And we are here to talk about the latest Star Trek: 6 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:23,932 Starfleet Academy episode Ko'Zeine. 7 00:00:23,952 --> 00:00:27,042 For those of you that don't know, that is the best man. 8 00:00:27,069 --> 00:00:28,929 Kevin: Will you be my Ko'Zeine, Rob Lloyd? 9 00:00:29,622 --> 00:00:37,572 Rob: Anytime, anytime I will give up going to Ibitha – not Ibiza, Ibitha – to come. 10 00:00:37,632 --> 00:00:42,642 If you are kidnapped and have to marry, uh, royalty, I will 11 00:00:42,642 --> 00:00:44,202 be there to be your best man. 12 00:00:44,349 --> 00:00:45,099 Kevin: Good to know. 13 00:00:45,099 --> 00:00:45,939 Good to know. 14 00:00:46,527 --> 00:00:47,307 Rob: So, yes. 15 00:00:47,367 --> 00:00:54,297 Uh, as we, uh, predicted after the, uh, trauma and, uh, the tragedy and 16 00:00:54,297 --> 00:00:59,427 the loss, the deep, deep loss of last week's episode, this episode 17 00:00:59,427 --> 00:01:03,117 was a bit of a, a reset, a bit of a recovery episode, a bit of a. 18 00:01:03,249 --> 00:01:03,904 Kevin: Bit low key. 19 00:01:04,092 --> 00:01:09,402 Rob: Bit low key, a bit of an internal looking inward into our characters. 20 00:01:09,702 --> 00:01:15,162 Um, and this focused on relationships between characters as opposed to single 21 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:18,102 episodes focusing on one character. 22 00:01:18,462 --> 00:01:24,762 This episode focused mostly on the relationships between, uh, Jay-Den 23 00:01:25,182 --> 00:01:27,792 and our, uh, soon to be married. 24 00:01:28,109 --> 00:01:28,749 Kevin: Darem Reymi. 25 00:01:29,020 --> 00:01:34,180 Rob: And also that we had, uh, Caleb and Genesis, uh, working on working 26 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:35,890 out their relationship as well. 27 00:01:36,117 --> 00:01:36,537 Kevin: Mm-hmm. 28 00:01:36,622 --> 00:01:36,802 Mm-hmm. 29 00:01:38,032 --> 00:01:40,057 Uh, what did you think of this one, Rob? 30 00:01:40,418 --> 00:01:41,978 Rob: This one was okay? 31 00:01:44,258 --> 00:01:44,738 Yeah. 32 00:01:44,738 --> 00:01:46,838 It's not the strongest of the season. 33 00:01:46,868 --> 00:01:47,258 Yeah. 34 00:01:47,258 --> 00:01:50,393 It wasn't, it wasn't bad, but it, yeah, it was. 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,350 Kevin: I was definitely partway through this episode looking at 36 00:01:54,350 --> 00:01:58,400 my watch going, okay, this is a, this is, this is a not good one. 37 00:01:59,030 --> 00:02:00,435 Like, it's not bad, but it's not good. 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,450 Rob: Yes, yes. 39 00:02:02,930 --> 00:02:07,130 it was a necessary lull in proceedings, and 40 00:02:07,142 --> 00:02:07,772 Kevin: Was it? 41 00:02:07,832 --> 00:02:08,492 I don't know. 42 00:02:08,492 --> 00:02:10,232 I think it's letting them off easy. 43 00:02:10,322 --> 00:02:14,072 I, I think there are definitely things about this episode I like. 44 00:02:14,432 --> 00:02:17,342 I think the performances all remain strong. 45 00:02:18,157 --> 00:02:23,407 It really feels like they spent all of the money and all of their creative juices 46 00:02:23,407 --> 00:02:25,507 on every other episode of this season. 47 00:02:25,747 --> 00:02:28,837 And this was the one that, that barely squeaked by. 48 00:02:29,617 --> 00:02:36,367 I, uh, I don't know if it was the return of the conspicuously circular space 49 00:02:36,817 --> 00:02:39,397 of the wedding moon that we visited. 50 00:02:39,792 --> 00:02:44,652 But it was, that was the first appearance of the, the volume that we have 51 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:47,292 had almost every week on Discovery. 52 00:02:47,412 --> 00:02:50,772 And as soon as we went there, I was like, oh, it feels like 53 00:02:50,772 --> 00:02:52,272 a Discovery episode again. 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:54,230 Rob: Yeah. 55 00:02:54,230 --> 00:02:58,850 It definitely felt like actors on a stage as opposed to that is an actual, 56 00:02:59,315 --> 00:03:01,445 you know, environment behind you. 57 00:03:01,985 --> 00:03:07,445 Um, and I guess it would be one of those bottle episodes or uh, a 58 00:03:07,445 --> 00:03:12,695 one-off episode in a 26 episode season that you could kind of get behind. 59 00:03:12,935 --> 00:03:17,225 But when we're dealing with only 10 episodes a season, um, and near the 60 00:03:17,225 --> 00:03:22,055 tail end of the season, you kind of, um, treading water a little bit. 61 00:03:22,352 --> 00:03:24,782 Kevin: There were conspicuous absences in this episode. 62 00:03:24,782 --> 00:03:29,522 How much buildup did we have about Darem's parents earlier in the season? 63 00:03:30,092 --> 00:03:34,742 They were on screen in this episode, they were cast, but we didn't get 64 00:03:34,742 --> 00:03:36,392 any lines of dialogue from them. 65 00:03:36,632 --> 00:03:37,772 We didn't get to meet them. 66 00:03:38,012 --> 00:03:39,002 It was weird. 67 00:03:39,062 --> 00:03:43,502 I don't know if they filmed those scenes and decided they weren't happy with how 68 00:03:43,502 --> 00:03:47,882 they turned out, so they chopped around them and left an awkward feeling episode. 69 00:03:48,242 --> 00:03:51,782 But that's the kind of feeling I had for much of this episode is that 70 00:03:52,112 --> 00:03:53,822 there had been things chopped out. 71 00:03:54,002 --> 00:03:58,352 There were things missing that would've made this episode work in an alternate 72 00:03:58,352 --> 00:04:04,682 universe, and by their absence, it made the episode kind of feel weird. 73 00:04:05,915 --> 00:04:06,935 Rob: Yes, it did. 74 00:04:06,935 --> 00:04:11,955 We, we spent most of our time with, uh, the meant to be betrothed bride. 75 00:04:11,955 --> 00:04:12,015 Um. 76 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:15,930 She had a lot of heavy lifting to do. 77 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:22,080 She had a, a major focus in her dealing with, you know, sacrifices made and 78 00:04:22,410 --> 00:04:28,230 the person she was going to marry has changed because of his time at Starfleet. 79 00:04:28,257 --> 00:04:33,207 Kevin: Tough ask that role to be like, you know, born into 80 00:04:33,297 --> 00:04:35,847 royalty of her planet, no less. 81 00:04:36,357 --> 00:04:39,167 Uh, and to play that likeably? 82 00:04:39,721 --> 00:04:46,016 And for us to not blame her for the situation, for, for us to like her 83 00:04:46,016 --> 00:04:51,536 and then actually like sympathize and empathize with her as she is watching, 84 00:04:51,566 --> 00:04:56,066 listening to Jay-Den's speech and watching the, the kind of dawning 85 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:57,806 realization pass across her face. 86 00:04:57,806 --> 00:05:02,966 All of that stuff, very sympathetic for a character that we have never met before. 87 00:05:03,146 --> 00:05:07,116 So this is why I say the performances were strong, but I felt like they 88 00:05:07,116 --> 00:05:10,866 were propping up, uh, an episode that felt barely written at times. 89 00:05:11,505 --> 00:05:16,905 Rob: Especially with, you know, the prominence of, uh, his parents 90 00:05:16,935 --> 00:05:20,925 earlier on, and that shaping his decisions and the pressure put upon 91 00:05:20,925 --> 00:05:27,135 him to then have them there and be mute was really clumsy writing. 92 00:05:27,135 --> 00:05:30,775 And that should have been, you know, that's sort of like writing 101. 93 00:05:30,795 --> 00:05:35,565 You set up this, it is like, you know, I'm going to do a very nerdy theater 94 00:05:35,565 --> 00:05:39,795 reference, they, it's like Chekhov's parents, they're mentioned early on. 95 00:05:40,125 --> 00:05:42,555 need to see that go off and. 96 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:47,640 In, uh, again, a longer season we could have had the introduction of the 97 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,970 bride, we could have the introduction of the parents, and that all comes 98 00:05:50,970 --> 00:05:54,840 to a head at this particular point, but it's just too rushed and muddled. 99 00:05:55,110 --> 00:06:00,690 And it, yeah, it didn't, didn't hit the emotional impact that it could have 100 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:04,410 because we were not getting the full story that we were kind of promised. 101 00:06:04,766 --> 00:06:07,976 Kevin: I remember when we were talking about late season Discovery, I would 102 00:06:07,976 --> 00:06:12,926 sometimes say this one felt like it was like it needed one more pass. 103 00:06:12,926 --> 00:06:18,476 It was a little underwritten and in the, the game of toxic or non-toxic 104 00:06:18,536 --> 00:06:24,506 between Caleb and Genesis, which is a, it's a charming idea, but it was 105 00:06:24,506 --> 00:06:26,966 not quite, it didn't quite make sense. 106 00:06:26,966 --> 00:06:29,276 What is this game, toxic or non-toxic? 107 00:06:29,951 --> 00:06:33,431 Um, I guess we can kind of infer it, but it Okay. 108 00:06:33,431 --> 00:06:34,331 So it's toxic. 109 00:06:34,331 --> 00:06:40,661 He's poisoned and anyway, like it, it, it just felt weird. 110 00:06:41,531 --> 00:06:46,136 It felt like we were, we were not quite told enough to understand 111 00:06:46,136 --> 00:06:50,666 what was going on, and then by the time we figured it out, it it, ugh. 112 00:06:51,506 --> 00:06:54,746 The whole thing about Genesis wanting to sit in a chair that wasn't 113 00:06:54,746 --> 00:07:00,506 her father's, um, like that is, it's supposed to be weird because 114 00:07:00,506 --> 00:07:02,636 she's hustling him, she's lying. 115 00:07:02,636 --> 00:07:03,746 It's not the truth. 116 00:07:04,316 --> 00:07:07,346 But the whole vibe of the episode made me second guess it and go, 117 00:07:07,346 --> 00:07:10,826 are we just not being told, given enough information to understand 118 00:07:10,826 --> 00:07:12,176 what's meant to be going on here? 119 00:07:12,181 --> 00:07:12,381 Uh. 120 00:07:12,945 --> 00:07:16,035 Rob: Yeah, I'm probably confessing a little bit too much, maybe 121 00:07:16,035 --> 00:07:18,860 because I had faded out of episode 122 00:07:19,496 --> 00:07:19,796 Kevin: Yeah. 123 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,065 Rob: and, uh, instead of looking at my watch like you were, I was 124 00:07:25,125 --> 00:07:27,555 maybe on my phone doom scrolling. 125 00:07:27,945 --> 00:07:30,165 Um, and I'm there going, well wait a minute. 126 00:07:30,525 --> 00:07:37,275 Why is she trying to, like, what is so embarrassing, or about 127 00:07:37,275 --> 00:07:40,395 these references recommendations? 128 00:07:40,425 --> 00:07:42,015 Are they fake or, 129 00:07:42,401 --> 00:07:46,181 Kevin: All of her references originally said that she cannot 130 00:07:46,181 --> 00:07:50,351 trust that she belongs where she is, and she's driven by fear. 131 00:07:50,561 --> 00:07:56,711 And she hacked those references to, to, well, she rewrote them to remove those 132 00:07:57,165 --> 00:07:57,705 Rob: yeah, 133 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:02,261 Kevin: that they were unvarnished, glowing instead of varnished glowing, 134 00:08:02,385 --> 00:08:03,495 Rob: Varnish glowing. 135 00:08:04,631 --> 00:08:06,401 Kevin: and, and this is her secret. 136 00:08:07,065 --> 00:08:07,515 Rob: Yes. 137 00:08:07,515 --> 00:08:08,655 Yeah, Sorry, I missed it. 138 00:08:08,865 --> 00:08:13,155 Look, there's always a highlight when you've got, uh, Tig showing up. 139 00:08:13,425 --> 00:08:17,655 Always happy to, uh, to have her presence on screen. 140 00:08:17,955 --> 00:08:19,275 Um, yes. 141 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:26,730 And how did you find the, uh, the, uh, the flirting slash chemistry between 142 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,120 our Genesis and Caleb starting to occur? 143 00:08:30,401 --> 00:08:32,471 Kevin: Yeah, I, I enjoyed what they did there. 144 00:08:32,471 --> 00:08:38,291 Like these, these, um, young people full of hormones in the prime of their life, 145 00:08:38,321 --> 00:08:40,361 uh, bumping into each other awkwardly. 146 00:08:40,361 --> 00:08:42,221 I think it was played perfectly. 147 00:08:42,221 --> 00:08:44,861 The, the, the spark was there. 148 00:08:44,951 --> 00:08:46,361 The spark was acknowledged. 149 00:08:46,421 --> 00:08:49,241 But both of these people did the right thing. 150 00:08:49,945 --> 00:08:50,165 Rob: Yes. 151 00:08:50,881 --> 00:08:57,131 Kevin: Were friends for each other rather than, um, crossing a line into a space 152 00:08:57,131 --> 00:08:59,501 where I don't think this show needs to go. 153 00:08:59,921 --> 00:09:03,971 Um, so I, I really enjoyed the line, they, they trod there. 154 00:09:03,971 --> 00:09:05,021 I think it was beautiful. 155 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:10,470 Rob: Yeah, especially, it would be a bit of a, a dogue we say here at 156 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:16,086 Subspace Radio, dogue move, uh, for Caleb to, uh, be doing such things. 157 00:09:16,416 --> 00:09:16,896 Um. 158 00:09:17,766 --> 00:09:20,586 So, yeah, we'll be interested to see, 'cause uh, it is revealed in 159 00:09:20,586 --> 00:09:26,766 the episode that he, um, has not spoken, uh, for four weeks to, um, 160 00:09:26,933 --> 00:09:27,313 Kevin: Tarima. 161 00:09:27,996 --> 00:09:31,266 Rob: To, yeah, since this, uh, since this tragedy has occurred 162 00:09:31,326 --> 00:09:33,486 and, uh, uh, all that has gone on. 163 00:09:33,486 --> 00:09:36,666 So Genesis there not only to, uh, distract him 164 00:09:36,778 --> 00:09:36,978 Kevin: Yeah. 165 00:09:36,978 --> 00:09:38,148 I like all that stuff. 166 00:09:38,148 --> 00:09:43,278 The, the flawed people being inexperienced and flawed is, that's good. 167 00:09:43,308 --> 00:09:45,438 I think that's show is all about. 168 00:09:45,438 --> 00:09:48,378 And I love that they continue to give it to us. 169 00:09:48,438 --> 00:09:54,258 It was just kind of lost in a, in a episode that was, uh, underwritten 170 00:09:54,258 --> 00:09:56,088 in, in its plot, I think. 171 00:09:56,841 --> 00:09:57,681 Rob: I agree. 172 00:09:57,741 --> 00:10:02,121 And I've only recently just found out that, um, not only is there a 173 00:10:02,121 --> 00:10:05,751 season two, they've pretty much just finished filming season two as well. 174 00:10:05,808 --> 00:10:06,348 Kevin: Yeah, yeah. 175 00:10:06,348 --> 00:10:07,278 Lots to come. 176 00:10:07,278 --> 00:10:08,598 I'm, I'm looking forward to it. 177 00:10:08,628 --> 00:10:16,038 What did you think of, uh, the evolution of Jay-Den and Darem's relationship? 178 00:10:16,248 --> 00:10:23,928 Because I, my read of it, I think is one that, to me it is very clear, but I'm not 179 00:10:23,928 --> 00:10:25,458 hearing a lot of people discussing it. 180 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:31,596 Rob: Yeah, I, I, I'm kind of over the whole, oh, I'm an asshole 181 00:10:31,626 --> 00:10:33,546 and deal with it type of thing. 182 00:10:34,116 --> 00:10:39,276 And he's like, there's, you know, being asshole or not being a good people 183 00:10:39,276 --> 00:10:43,896 person, and then there's just being mean, and just for the sake of it. 184 00:10:43,896 --> 00:10:48,456 I'm there going, it didn't really earn its stripes, like at the end to be that 185 00:10:48,456 --> 00:10:52,806 endearing moment of, oh, he's still, you know, doesn't know how to handle people. 186 00:10:52,806 --> 00:10:56,946 I'm going, right, so now he's just still being an asshole to, to Kyle? 187 00:10:57,168 --> 00:11:01,398 Kevin: To me, there is another layer here that has not been said out loud, 188 00:11:01,398 --> 00:11:04,998 but is there in the performances and I suspect is there deliberately in 189 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:10,378 the subtext, which I think ever since that scene where Darem helped Jay-Den 190 00:11:10,608 --> 00:11:14,058 uh, with his public speaking fear with the breathing exercise and they 191 00:11:14,058 --> 00:11:18,783 got just a little too close to each other, I think Darem has an attraction 192 00:11:18,783 --> 00:11:21,033 to Jay-Den that is not reciprocated. 193 00:11:21,303 --> 00:11:25,803 And he knows it's not reciprocated, but he still, he feels envious 194 00:11:25,803 --> 00:11:27,633 of what Jay-Den and Kyle have. 195 00:11:28,203 --> 00:11:29,763 Wants what he can't have. 196 00:11:30,003 --> 00:11:33,393 And that is what is driving the assholy behavior. 197 00:11:33,453 --> 00:11:40,268 I think it is a, like a defense mechanism and he, that last moment of vulnerability 198 00:11:40,268 --> 00:11:45,338 after Jay-Den and, and Kyle walk off, that's what I see in his face is like, I, 199 00:11:45,518 --> 00:11:48,818 I keep, why do I keep being an asshole? 200 00:11:48,878 --> 00:11:53,678 Um, and it's because he likes Jay-Den, but he's not, doesn't like him back. 201 00:11:54,171 --> 00:12:00,321 Rob: I am, I am, I am digging the fact of how low key, um, this has all come about. 202 00:12:00,321 --> 00:12:03,561 This is a, his historic moment in Star Trek to have our 203 00:12:03,561 --> 00:12:06,981 first openly gay, um, Klingon. 204 00:12:07,293 --> 00:12:10,923 Kevin: Yeah, with at the center of an openly gay love triangle, I want to 205 00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:11,571 Rob: Yeah. 206 00:12:12,081 --> 00:12:16,461 And it's just, it's just dropped in and it's not made this big 207 00:12:16,461 --> 00:12:19,311 thing, which I, which I dig. 208 00:12:19,431 --> 00:12:21,321 I really love that type of stuff. 209 00:12:21,363 --> 00:12:24,183 Kevin: I like that it's being underplayed for us to see. 210 00:12:24,393 --> 00:12:25,803 Uh, yeah. 211 00:12:25,893 --> 00:12:30,093 I, I assume it will come to a head at some point, but, uh, really 212 00:12:30,093 --> 00:12:31,413 enjoying the subtlety around it. 213 00:12:31,563 --> 00:12:33,123 The actors are doing a great job of it. 214 00:12:33,123 --> 00:12:38,463 I feel like they, uh, they know what to play even if the, if it's not in 215 00:12:38,463 --> 00:12:40,293 the script specifically, and I'm really 216 00:12:40,431 --> 00:12:41,991 Rob: Yes, and I think it's. 217 00:12:42,891 --> 00:12:47,181 Yeah, underplayed, but it's not sort of like, it doesn't feel restricted. 218 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:51,351 It's a nice way of just going, this is another relationship. 219 00:12:51,351 --> 00:12:57,411 It doesn't need to be, uh, forced or it doesn't feel, seem to be held 220 00:12:57,411 --> 00:13:00,201 back, um, which I really appreciate. 221 00:13:00,201 --> 00:13:04,611 It just plays out really nicely in a, you know, almost offhanded 222 00:13:04,611 --> 00:13:06,441 way, which for me is more powerful. 223 00:13:07,368 --> 00:13:11,838 Kevin: Speaking of playing out nicely, the end of this episode does work for me. 224 00:13:11,838 --> 00:13:15,348 Like I guess I'm a sucker for a needle drop and some slow motion, 225 00:13:15,348 --> 00:13:21,933 but, um, Caleb's heartfelt letter to Tarima over, like commenting on 226 00:13:21,933 --> 00:13:26,403 the characters around him and what they mean to him and to each other. 227 00:13:26,643 --> 00:13:31,053 All of that did get me, and it was like, oh, I'm back, uh, in the, in 228 00:13:31,053 --> 00:13:32,523 the dying moments of this episode. 229 00:13:32,523 --> 00:13:35,133 But it did feel like they were patching up something that had been 230 00:13:35,133 --> 00:13:39,843 broken up up until I was, I was off the bandwagon and then they got me 231 00:13:39,843 --> 00:13:41,163 right back on, right at the end. 232 00:13:41,631 --> 00:13:45,711 Rob: We have talked about it before in, in previous episodes, but it is that 233 00:13:45,711 --> 00:13:53,031 very much iconic, late nineties, early naughties classic television drama 234 00:13:53,361 --> 00:13:55,521 where you get to the end of the episode. 235 00:13:56,181 --> 00:14:01,026 And you have a letter being read out or a diary entry or, or, 236 00:14:01,031 --> 00:14:04,401 or a blog entry being read out 237 00:14:04,458 --> 00:14:07,878 Kevin: Someone being vulnerable the audience, yeah. 238 00:14:07,908 --> 00:14:08,208 Kind of 239 00:14:08,301 --> 00:14:10,101 Rob: A needle drop is hit. 240 00:14:10,281 --> 00:14:16,311 The characters walk through their lives, go through a moment as it relates to 241 00:14:16,311 --> 00:14:19,161 them in the voiceover, they are shown. 242 00:14:19,551 --> 00:14:22,611 We've had little moments of that in Star Trek, but mostly, you 243 00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:25,431 know, a lot of it has been brought back in modern Star Trek for sure. 244 00:14:25,731 --> 00:14:29,601 Um, but this is definitely one of those moments you go, all right, we're, we're 245 00:14:29,601 --> 00:14:33,726 hitting something, uh, uh, classic from, from the turn of the century. 246 00:14:34,938 --> 00:14:35,118 Kevin: Yeah. 247 00:14:35,538 --> 00:14:39,198 My only other thought of this episode is I feel like I, I, I, we are seven 248 00:14:39,198 --> 00:14:44,208 for seven of making sure every one of these episodes has a moment where two 249 00:14:44,208 --> 00:14:49,218 of our cadets look into each other's eyes and there is a spark and something 250 00:14:49,218 --> 00:14:53,838 almost happens, something does happen, but there is not going to be an 251 00:14:53,868 --> 00:14:56,268 episode without a romantic spark in it. 252 00:14:56,628 --> 00:14:57,978 And uh, yeah, I 253 00:14:58,056 --> 00:14:59,406 Rob: we're doing it for the kids, Kevin. 254 00:14:59,406 --> 00:14:59,556 We're 255 00:14:59,778 --> 00:15:00,318 Kevin: Yeah, yeah. 256 00:15:01,098 --> 00:15:02,988 Think the formula is clearly there. 257 00:15:02,988 --> 00:15:04,218 It's clearly working. 258 00:15:04,608 --> 00:15:07,818 But if there's anything form that is starting to feel formulaic 259 00:15:07,818 --> 00:15:10,188 about this show, for me it is that. 260 00:15:10,218 --> 00:15:12,798 It is that there is no episode that's going by without, 261 00:15:13,398 --> 00:15:14,988 uh, a romantic something. 262 00:15:15,926 --> 00:15:16,746 Rob: Yes, yes. 263 00:15:16,746 --> 00:15:18,426 Not much of SAM in this episode. 264 00:15:18,426 --> 00:15:20,496 She's kind of still recovering 265 00:15:20,748 --> 00:15:22,428 Kevin: No, but her hair made up for it. 266 00:15:22,428 --> 00:15:23,238 It was amazing. 267 00:15:23,603 --> 00:15:28,658 Rob: There is, uh, one thing I wish I could be a part of, 268 00:15:28,898 --> 00:15:30,368 but it is a wonderful thing. 269 00:15:30,398 --> 00:15:36,338 The world of the, uh, black American culture and their, and their hair. 270 00:15:36,578 --> 00:15:39,248 It is a whole other world and it's incredible. 271 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:40,280 Kevin: Is incredible. 272 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:41,000 Yeah. 273 00:15:41,090 --> 00:15:48,710 Uh, uh, I am sad that SAM has been glitching for a month and sent 274 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:55,340 away to a holo-spa, to, uh, uh, or a Holotech Rehab Spa, is the 275 00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:56,720 name of the place that they say. 276 00:15:57,210 --> 00:16:01,670 It seems bizarre to me that I suppose maybe Earth of the 32nd 277 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:07,860 century would have one holo rehab spa maybe, but I don't know. 278 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:09,690 That seems like a weird sci-fi thing. 279 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:14,640 Just like a galactic meteor shower is a weird sci-fi thing that doesn't make 280 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,320 sense if you think about it twice. 281 00:16:17,918 --> 00:16:21,248 Rob: Well look, when you say holo spa, that's ridiculous, but when you 282 00:16:21,248 --> 00:16:25,568 added the extra five or six words in between, that made it legitimate. 283 00:16:26,113 --> 00:16:30,463 Kevin: So, yes, I, I hope, uh, I hope SAM is feeling better by next week. 284 00:16:31,161 --> 00:16:33,771 Rob: Yes, we shall see as we move into episode eight. 285 00:16:33,831 --> 00:16:37,671 Now, uh, as always we do here at Subspace Radio, we're sort of 286 00:16:37,671 --> 00:16:42,471 like inspired by, uh, something, uh, that we saw in this episode. 287 00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:48,591 And, um, uh, Kevin came up with the idea of, um, alone on the bridge. 288 00:16:48,603 --> 00:16:53,848 Kevin: My first thought, to be honest, Rob was arranged marriages, but, um, and, 289 00:16:53,848 --> 00:16:55,918 and, and there is that going on here. 290 00:16:55,918 --> 00:17:02,308 We could have gone back to Amok Time and, and Spock and his wife T'Pring to be, but, 291 00:17:02,308 --> 00:17:06,838 uh, yeah, I, I thought maybe let's take it in, in a slightly different direction. 292 00:17:06,838 --> 00:17:12,393 And that moment where Caleb and Genesis are alone on the bridge and 293 00:17:12,423 --> 00:17:16,443 Genesis says, When else am I gonna get a chance to be alone on the bridge? 294 00:17:16,743 --> 00:17:19,473 It's, it sparked this realization to me that these moments 295 00:17:19,473 --> 00:17:21,093 are, are rare and special. 296 00:17:21,093 --> 00:17:24,783 They do happen now and then, but every time they do it feels strange. 297 00:17:24,783 --> 00:17:29,403 It's like the bridge is, is designed to be this hub of activity that you 298 00:17:29,403 --> 00:17:35,898 imagine, especially on our ships that fly in space is, is staffed full time 24 7. 299 00:17:35,898 --> 00:17:40,518 There is always a crew up there and it is always full of, of activity, or at 300 00:17:40,518 --> 00:17:45,828 least it's the night shift, you know, quietly, uh, making course adjustments. 301 00:17:45,828 --> 00:17:50,448 But the idea that it is completely empty for one person to, to be in by 302 00:17:50,448 --> 00:17:54,438 themselves, it is a special moment and I wanted to explore those moments. 303 00:17:54,916 --> 00:17:59,956 Rob: And especially within the, uh, 60 years of Star Trek, as we see in the 304 00:17:59,956 --> 00:18:04,996 opening logo, there have been so many different type of bridges that have, uh, 305 00:18:04,996 --> 00:18:09,676 accompanied, whether it be an actual, uh, Starfleet chip or whether it be 306 00:18:09,676 --> 00:18:12,766 something of a smaller scale like, uh, uh. 307 00:18:13,306 --> 00:18:18,226 Like a Runabout or even even the Defiant, um. 308 00:18:19,426 --> 00:18:22,756 Moving through all that from the original Enterprise, which is more 309 00:18:22,876 --> 00:18:24,856 trying to get that feel of a submarine. 310 00:18:25,006 --> 00:18:28,876 So like you say, that packed environment is what a bridge 311 00:18:28,876 --> 00:18:31,096 should be, in whatever size it is. 312 00:18:31,096 --> 00:18:35,716 But to have those moments of just one character isolated in that space for. 313 00:18:36,661 --> 00:18:43,681 Whether it be through something traumatic or, or dramatic, or even for some 314 00:18:43,681 --> 00:18:49,051 reflection, let's go a bit deeper and have a look at what we have in other stories. 315 00:18:49,498 --> 00:18:49,948 Kevin: Yeah. 316 00:18:50,578 --> 00:18:53,038 Well, I might kick us off with TOS then. 317 00:18:53,158 --> 00:18:58,828 Um, so we've talked before about season one, episode 25, This Side of 318 00:18:58,828 --> 00:19:04,288 Paradise, which is the episode where the, the colony has the plants that, 319 00:19:04,288 --> 00:19:08,458 uh, that are brainwashing people and everyone is happily beaming 320 00:19:08,458 --> 00:19:11,458 down and Kirk is the last one to go. 321 00:19:11,488 --> 00:19:16,168 And he has a scene on the bridge where he makes a log entry and talks about how 322 00:19:16,168 --> 00:19:19,528 his crew has mutineed and left him alone. 323 00:19:19,648 --> 00:19:22,408 And he, he can't fly the ship by himself. 324 00:19:22,768 --> 00:19:29,278 Uh, and so he is marooned there until, uh, the flower that is over the railing 325 00:19:29,578 --> 00:19:32,788 catches him in the face and he has brainwashed along with everyone else. 326 00:19:32,908 --> 00:19:35,488 And that is a definite alone on the bridge moment. 327 00:19:35,488 --> 00:19:36,868 But we've talked about it before. 328 00:19:37,198 --> 00:19:41,368 So I'm gonna take us instead to season three, episode 16. 329 00:19:41,638 --> 00:19:43,228 The Mark of Gideon. 330 00:19:43,768 --> 00:19:46,168 This is very original series. 331 00:19:46,193 --> 00:19:47,448 Rob: I was looking at that one. 332 00:19:47,555 --> 00:19:50,945 Kevin: Yeah, it's an episode I often forget exists. 333 00:19:50,945 --> 00:19:54,185 It's not particularly well remembered. 334 00:19:54,245 --> 00:19:58,235 It, it's one that is often rated low and and criticized 335 00:19:58,235 --> 00:19:59,885 as being full of plot holes. 336 00:20:00,305 --> 00:20:05,480 But in this episode, the Enterprise is visiting a planet that they are 337 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:11,660 trying to, uh, convince to join the Federation, but they are xenophobic. 338 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:16,370 They won't allow anyone down even though their planet is reputed to be a 339 00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:18,890 paradise where no one ever gets sick. 340 00:20:19,865 --> 00:20:26,255 But they have finally, through diplomatic channels, agreed to let one person 341 00:20:26,255 --> 00:20:29,075 beam down and begin the negotiations. 342 00:20:29,195 --> 00:20:31,055 And that person is Captain Kirk. 343 00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:34,535 So Captain Kirk gets on the transporter platform. 344 00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:38,470 They are given the, the precise beam down coordinates. 345 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:42,670 He beams down and reappears in the Enterprise transporter 346 00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:44,620 room, or so he thinks. 347 00:20:44,890 --> 00:20:48,880 He finds himself in an empty USS Enterprise. 348 00:20:49,090 --> 00:20:54,550 He walks around trying the communication panels on the walls, eventually 349 00:20:54,550 --> 00:21:00,280 making, uh, his way up to the bridge and calling for McCoy, and Scotty, 350 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,620 any crew member, is anyone aboard? 351 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:05,225 And he is completely by himself. 352 00:21:05,225 --> 00:21:09,485 And there are some beautiful long moments where he's just kind of walking silently 353 00:21:09,485 --> 00:21:17,405 on the bridge f feeling how empty it is and how strange it is that no one is here. 354 00:21:18,005 --> 00:21:22,955 Um, many of the shots of the empty spaces on the ship. 355 00:21:22,955 --> 00:21:28,955 You can tell now in HD that they are, um, frozen images that there are basically 356 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:30,965 photographs that are just sitting there. 357 00:21:31,085 --> 00:21:34,565 Well, other ones you can tell are live because the grain is, uh, 358 00:21:34,565 --> 00:21:37,295 of, the, of the film is moving. 359 00:21:37,415 --> 00:21:43,085 And that sort of jankiness of the original series is on display here, uh, 360 00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:44,975 which I think is fun in its own way. 361 00:21:45,485 --> 00:21:51,505 But yeah, he is alone for, I, it feels like five, 10 minutes of this episode 362 00:21:51,535 --> 00:21:57,715 where he's just, um, searching the Enterprise, trying to find anyone 363 00:21:57,715 --> 00:22:02,695 and figure out what's going on until he meets Odona, who is a mysterious 364 00:22:02,695 --> 00:22:08,470 lady, who, who does not remember how she got on the ship, only that the 365 00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:13,180 place where she came from before was, was completely crowded with people 366 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:15,100 and that she was struggling for air. 367 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:18,490 And that's all the information we really get. 368 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,890 Um, and Kirk, Kirk is questioning her and trying to understand. 369 00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:27,340 Did she come from the planet Gideon, is she from somewhere else entirely? 370 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,020 What the heck is going on? 371 00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:34,600 The, the, the mystery is kind of left for a long time in this episode, and I 372 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,700 kind of enjoy living in this mystery. 373 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Unfortunately, when the mystery is unraveled, so does kind of the episode. 374 00:22:42,785 --> 00:22:46,120 It, it turns out what is revealed is that the planet Gideon 375 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,860 suffers from overpopulation. 376 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,370 The, the planet is completely overcrowded. 377 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:57,540 It is, it is encased in a seething mass of people because they love life so much, 378 00:22:57,540 --> 00:22:59,490 they don't believe in birth control. 379 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,290 And because the planet ha is free of illness, no one ever dies. 380 00:23:04,290 --> 00:23:07,200 And so it has just completely overcrowded. 381 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:13,260 And the reason they want Kirk there is because Kirk carries a virus who will, 382 00:23:13,265 --> 00:23:19,860 uh, that they can use to infect the local population and kill off enough 383 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:21,930 people to control their population. 384 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:23,486 Rob: That took a turn, 385 00:23:23,723 --> 00:23:27,750 Kevin: Yeah, and in order to, to do that, they built a replica of the 386 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:30,450 USS Enterprise, for some reason. 387 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:35,070 So that Kirk would stay there long enough and be confused long enough 388 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,795 that he would pass this virus onto Odona, who it turns out is secretly 389 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:45,510 the daughter of president of the planet who they are going to sacrifice 390 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:48,480 as, as the first infected person. 391 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:54,780 Um, yeah, it, it, it doesn't that kind of spiral of logic that does not quite 392 00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:59,520 make sense, they never quite recover from that in this episode, uh, yeah, 393 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,915 there's a lot of back and forth over will they let her die and keep Kirk so 394 00:24:04,915 --> 00:24:10,855 that Kirk can continue to infect people or will they save her so that she can 395 00:24:10,855 --> 00:24:16,135 take Kirk's place and her infected blood can be used to infect other people. 396 00:24:16,135 --> 00:24:20,065 That is ultimately the, the dilemma of this episode it, 397 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,265 it doesn't really make sense. 398 00:24:21,265 --> 00:24:21,745 So, yeah. 399 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:27,270 I would not watch this one for the plot or for, uh, the deep world building, 400 00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:33,090 but those, that first 10, 15 minutes of Kirk going, why is my ship empty? 401 00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:34,830 And, and where is everybody? 402 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:38,850 And who is this woman, um, is, is enjoyable. 403 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:40,560 Just the, the mystery of it. 404 00:24:41,253 --> 00:24:41,793 Rob: Yeah. 405 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:42,420 Kevin: Hmm. 406 00:24:42,623 --> 00:24:43,673 Rob: Well, there you go. 407 00:24:43,673 --> 00:24:44,963 Well, I'll jump ahead. 408 00:24:45,023 --> 00:24:46,373 I'll jump ahead and look. 409 00:24:46,493 --> 00:24:48,473 I'll look at, um, Voyager. 410 00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:49,733 I always come back to Voyager. 411 00:24:49,733 --> 00:24:53,258 We're doing season four, episode 25 One. 412 00:24:54,095 --> 00:24:54,245 Kevin: Ooh. 413 00:24:55,475 --> 00:24:56,825 Sounds like a Borg one. 414 00:24:56,913 --> 00:24:58,113 Rob: It is a Borg one. 415 00:24:58,113 --> 00:24:59,638 It focuses on Seven of Nine. 416 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,950 Voyager is traveling through, um, as quick as they can to get home. 417 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:12,660 Uh, the focus is on Seven being taught, uh, interaction socially by the Doctor. 418 00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:16,920 The Doctor is playing mentor to, uh, Seven of Nine and immediately this 419 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,640 is one of the stronger relationships within the Star Trek franchise. 420 00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:23,130 Team the Doctor and Seven of Nine, it's great. 421 00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:30,135 So obviously they're in the holodeck and um, it's trying to elicit out of Seven 422 00:25:30,135 --> 00:25:34,905 of Nine, a way of engaging in small talk and conversation and what that entails. 423 00:25:34,905 --> 00:25:36,705 And Seven of Nine will have nothing of it. 424 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:42,105 It's a waste of precious time and, uh, she does not care to find out about what 425 00:25:42,105 --> 00:25:43,220 they're interested in or who they are. 426 00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:49,890 But, um, the Doctor is insistent that she needs to make herself a part of this crew. 427 00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:55,530 Um, there is a nebula, of course there's a nebula, and it is, uh, is 428 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,840 so wide, so high, so deep that they cannot go around it, for it would take 429 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,685 an extra couple of months and they cannot, yeah, um, uh, afford that time. 430 00:26:05,685 --> 00:26:06,795 So they're gonna go through it. 431 00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:12,885 Uh, as they start to go through it, um, the skin burns on the crew. 432 00:26:12,885 --> 00:26:16,665 They're agonizing pain and they have to get out of it. 433 00:26:16,965 --> 00:26:21,220 Uh, one of the crew members, we have a dear red shirt on the bridge, uh, 434 00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:25,120 succumbs to the pain, just to let know that this is a real threat. 435 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,700 So, through much debating and discussing, the only option they have is for 436 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:36,370 the Doctor within a short amount of time to create an entire bay of 437 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:38,860 cryogenic chambers for the entire crew. 438 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,756 Kevin: But Rob, who's going to fly the ship? 439 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,600 Rob: Well, that's a very good question. 440 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,460 It can't, it cannot just be 441 00:26:45,656 --> 00:26:48,746 Kevin: it couldn't possibly be a Borg drone, who is just saying how 442 00:26:49,106 --> 00:26:53,666 social contact with her fellow crew members is completely pointless. 443 00:26:54,255 --> 00:26:57,495 Rob: Someone would say that this is a convenient plot device. 444 00:26:58,905 --> 00:27:01,990 So yes, Seven and the Doctor are the only ones on the ship. 445 00:27:02,801 --> 00:27:02,921 Kevin: Hmm. 446 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,670 Rob: Um, the, uh, the tension is, uh, is building up. 447 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:10,590 There's a strain in their relationship. 448 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,890 Um, going through the nebula is affecting the systems on 449 00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:15,600 the ship, degrading systems. 450 00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:19,440 So they have to constantly keep in, uh, in contact and 451 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,480 repairing these type of things. 452 00:27:21,485 --> 00:27:25,020 Gets to the point where the mobile emitter is not working that properly. 453 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:30,540 And so the Doctor is confined to sick bay, like he was in, uh, the early days. 454 00:27:30,845 --> 00:27:34,055 And Seven of Nine has a lot of time on her own, wandering the 455 00:27:34,055 --> 00:27:36,305 same corridor over and over again. 456 00:27:36,485 --> 00:27:41,105 And yes, spending time on the bridge alone, so much to the point where she 457 00:27:41,105 --> 00:27:47,255 gets, uh, the point where the Doctor is, you know, almost completely stuck there. 458 00:27:47,255 --> 00:27:49,055 So Seven of Nine never sees him. 459 00:27:49,595 --> 00:27:51,695 She starts to hallucinate. 460 00:27:51,905 --> 00:27:53,465 She starts to see things. 461 00:27:53,681 --> 00:27:57,821 Kevin: I love the creepiness of this episode, the creepiness an empty starship. 462 00:27:58,151 --> 00:28:03,011 These, these places that are usually full of crew and depend on that crew to work 463 00:28:03,011 --> 00:28:05,021 when it is, when it is empty, it's creepy. 464 00:28:05,715 --> 00:28:06,435 Rob: Yes. 465 00:28:06,495 --> 00:28:11,895 And um, uh, uh, uh, alien is in the, the Nebula as well. 466 00:28:11,895 --> 00:28:16,215 He comes over the to do trade, um, but he's just a figment 467 00:28:16,275 --> 00:28:17,055 of Seven's imagination. 468 00:28:18,236 --> 00:28:18,526 Kevin: Yeah. 469 00:28:18,615 --> 00:28:23,355 Rob: Uh, whispers and voices are heard in her head, and this is, you know, 470 00:28:23,591 --> 00:28:25,961 Kevin: I love a psychological thriller Star Trek. 471 00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:27,420 Rob: And especially when 472 00:28:27,491 --> 00:28:28,961 Kevin: We haven't had one of those in a while. 473 00:28:28,961 --> 00:28:30,791 I'm looking forward to a new one of those. 474 00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:35,370 Rob: And yeah, especially coming with the, the likes of Seven of Nine, who is meant 475 00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:40,920 to be cool, calm and collected, and have a rather, you know, cold view of humanity. 476 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,150 To have them reconnect with their humanity, with panic and 477 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:48,090 anxiety and fear and tension. 478 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:48,840 It's great. 479 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:53,760 And when you've got such a wonderful actor taking that all on. 480 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:54,840 Um, 481 00:28:54,941 --> 00:28:56,021 Kevin: an episode for sure. 482 00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:58,140 Rob: Yeah, she wasn't just brought in just for a look. 483 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:01,170 Well, she was brought in just for her looks, but she, uh, she had the hidden 484 00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:03,690 secret of being an incredible actor to 485 00:29:03,791 --> 00:29:03,851 Kevin: Hmm. 486 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:08,820 Rob: Um, so yeah, it focuses on the isolation within this 487 00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:12,000 space, trying to solve all the problems, what is real, what isn't. 488 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880 And the coda at the end is, um. 489 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:22,230 Seven of Nine goes up to, uh, to Kim, Paris, and B'Elanna and, uh, 490 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,100 asks if you can sit down and engage in conversation so you know how 491 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,375 desperate she is if he wants sit down and find out what Harry Kim's up to. 492 00:29:29,736 --> 00:29:30,026 Kevin: Yeah. 493 00:29:30,761 --> 00:29:31,631 Uh, so good. 494 00:29:31,691 --> 00:29:32,261 Um. 495 00:29:33,011 --> 00:29:35,201 Yeah, love a bit of character growth. 496 00:29:36,045 --> 00:29:39,465 Rob: It's when with Voyager was at, its at its peak, you know. 497 00:29:39,465 --> 00:29:41,355 It was going really well at this point. 498 00:29:41,355 --> 00:29:47,505 That introduction of Seven of Nine really, um, brought in a new, you know, 499 00:29:47,505 --> 00:29:50,205 dynamic and really spiced things up a bit. 500 00:29:50,651 --> 00:29:52,061 Kevin: It is luxurious, isn't it? 501 00:29:52,061 --> 00:29:54,251 To, to be able to have an episode like this. 502 00:29:54,256 --> 00:29:58,121 I, I mean, thinking of, thinking of Starfleet Academy and current era 503 00:29:58,121 --> 00:30:03,401 Star Trek, each episode has to be doing so much in the arc show that it 504 00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:08,381 is basically impossible to devote an entire episode to a single character. 505 00:30:09,021 --> 00:30:10,081 We had, uh. 506 00:30:10,601 --> 00:30:16,616 We had, um, Terrarium, uh, last season of Strange New Worlds, that finally, 507 00:30:16,796 --> 00:30:24,641 finally gave our character, our, our helmswoman, a a story to herself, and it 508 00:30:24,641 --> 00:30:27,371 was so long coming that it felt earned. 509 00:30:27,371 --> 00:30:31,751 But apart from that, it feels impossible to devote a, an entire 510 00:30:31,751 --> 00:30:36,761 hour of television to one character's experience, a subjective experience 511 00:30:36,761 --> 00:30:40,466 that changes them, and then they, they are changed for the rest of the show. 512 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:42,150 Rob: Yes. 513 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:45,360 And when you have Jeri Ryan, that is something you can do. 514 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,570 I mean, it's a big thing, there's one particular episode of modern Doctor 515 00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:51,180 Who, Hey, I'm bringing in Doctor Who into our Star Trek podcast. 516 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:55,260 Who would've thought, um, it's a great episode called, uh, Heaven Sent with 517 00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:57,215 Mr. Peter Capaldi as the doctor and, 518 00:30:57,596 --> 00:30:57,716 Kevin: Hmm. 519 00:30:58,275 --> 00:31:00,915 Rob: the entire episode is just him. 520 00:31:01,005 --> 00:31:05,115 So that's a 45 minute episode of the Doctor trapped in this, 521 00:31:05,145 --> 00:31:10,335 uh, uh, maze and loop of time, and he has to break out of it. 522 00:31:10,335 --> 00:31:14,705 And it's when you've got an actor of the caliber of Peter Capaldi or indeed Jeri 523 00:31:14,705 --> 00:31:22,245 Ryan, you can sit there for whole 45 minutes and go, this is utterly absorbing. 524 00:31:22,901 --> 00:31:28,260 Kevin: I, I agree with you, but I think that to a one I think our our 525 00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:32,805 cadets are strong enough in Starfleet Academy that any one of them could 526 00:31:32,805 --> 00:31:34,575 carry off an episode like that. 527 00:31:35,295 --> 00:31:41,115 Is just no space in a season to devote an entire episode to just one character. 528 00:31:41,115 --> 00:31:42,135 They gotta keep it moving. 529 00:31:42,135 --> 00:31:45,345 They gotta keep the A's and B's plots playing against each 530 00:31:45,345 --> 00:31:47,105 other because there's too to do. 531 00:31:47,778 --> 00:31:52,008 Rob: We've had them as them as like an episode focusing in on them, but 532 00:31:52,188 --> 00:31:54,648 them within that world surrounded 533 00:31:54,795 --> 00:31:55,005 Kevin: Yeah. 534 00:31:55,005 --> 00:31:57,315 It needs serve other, other purposes too. 535 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,330 Yeah. 536 00:31:58,368 --> 00:31:58,668 Rob: Yeah. 537 00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:03,078 And to be like episode 25 here in Voyager, that's right near the end of the season. 538 00:32:03,408 --> 00:32:06,828 To, to just go, yep, just before we do the season finale, let's, 539 00:32:06,828 --> 00:32:09,768 uh, chuck in a episode that just focuses on one character. 540 00:32:09,981 --> 00:32:14,451 Kevin: Well from, uh, from Voyager, I'm going to take us to the next 541 00:32:14,451 --> 00:32:19,101 generation for another episode that is centering around just one 542 00:32:19,101 --> 00:32:22,941 character and their experience, but it's a guest star, this time. 543 00:32:23,271 --> 00:32:26,721 This is season six, episode four of The Next Generation, 544 00:32:26,811 --> 00:32:30,741 Relics in which Scotty returns. 545 00:32:31,405 --> 00:32:33,445 Rob: Well, now we have mentioned this one before. 546 00:32:33,445 --> 00:32:35,455 We have talked about this one before. 547 00:32:35,706 --> 00:32:36,756 Kevin: Have no doubt. 548 00:32:36,936 --> 00:32:38,886 This is one of my favorites. 549 00:32:38,916 --> 00:32:39,546 It is. 550 00:32:40,101 --> 00:32:44,571 It is so full of things that make me happy, this episode. 551 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:49,011 This is almost a prototype for an episode of the week that 552 00:32:49,011 --> 00:32:50,241 is gonna make Kevin happy. 553 00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:53,361 It is, it is full of Star Trek nostalgia. 554 00:32:54,111 --> 00:32:57,861 It is full of science and sciencey concepts. 555 00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:02,991 There's no antagonist other than science, elusive science. 556 00:33:05,166 --> 00:33:07,626 And, uh, and there it's a procedural. 557 00:33:07,626 --> 00:33:13,176 There are the episode hinges on people being good at their jobs, and that is 558 00:33:13,176 --> 00:33:15,366 what is gonna get us out of this or not. 559 00:33:15,366 --> 00:33:21,066 So for those who haven't seen it, Relics is an episode where the USS Enterprise 560 00:33:21,066 --> 00:33:28,111 encounters, uh, an uncharted Dyson sphere, which we are explained by Data and Picard 561 00:33:28,501 --> 00:33:35,461 is a sphere that has been built around a star at the distance of approximately, 562 00:33:35,461 --> 00:33:38,191 give or take, the orbit of planet Earth. 563 00:33:38,251 --> 00:33:43,046 And that the, therefore the interior surface of that sphere would be completely 564 00:33:43,046 --> 00:33:47,516 habitable and completely capture all of the radiant energy of this star. 565 00:33:47,516 --> 00:33:52,106 That this is the most efficient form of solar energy, that you 566 00:33:52,106 --> 00:33:58,911 could, um, you could house a giant civilization on the inner surface of 567 00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:05,061 that sphere, if, if a race could be advanced enough to build such a thing. 568 00:34:05,241 --> 00:34:09,231 And that race, we don't get to meet it here, we just find their abandoned 569 00:34:09,471 --> 00:34:16,881 sphere and crashed on the surface of that sphere is a 75-year-old ship with 570 00:34:16,911 --> 00:34:22,461 a transporter locked in a feedback loop containing in its transporter buffer, 571 00:34:22,991 --> 00:34:27,191 Montgomery Scott, who was on his way to a well-earned retirement when his 572 00:34:27,191 --> 00:34:29,561 ship crashed into this Dyson Sphere. 573 00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:31,510 Rob: Welcome back Jimmy Doohan. 574 00:34:31,991 --> 00:34:33,221 Kevin: He's so good. 575 00:34:33,251 --> 00:34:33,491 This is. 576 00:34:34,416 --> 00:34:38,616 I think this is the most that Jimmy Doohan has ever given to do. 577 00:34:38,616 --> 00:34:40,626 It's certainly the most lines of dialogue. 578 00:34:41,016 --> 00:34:43,956 Even some of those animated series episodes where he was playing three 579 00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:47,646 different characters, I feel like he still had less to do than what 580 00:34:47,646 --> 00:34:51,816 he, he got to do here, and what he's given to do is delightful. 581 00:34:51,846 --> 00:34:57,596 I love, more than anything in this episode, that Montgomery Scott is 582 00:34:57,706 --> 00:35:00,686 the biggest fan of Montgomery Scott. 583 00:35:01,126 --> 00:35:05,466 He's constantly trying to tell people stories of his greatest hits. 584 00:35:05,706 --> 00:35:09,096 Did I ever tell you about the time that we were spiraling out 585 00:35:09,096 --> 00:35:11,406 of control down to PSI 2000? 586 00:35:11,586 --> 00:35:14,916 The captain wanted me to repair the engines with a cold start, 587 00:35:14,916 --> 00:35:19,086 and I told him, Captain ya, cannae changed the laws of physics. 588 00:35:19,086 --> 00:35:25,001 And he is telling his own stories, just like fans do about Scotty on 589 00:35:25,001 --> 00:35:29,381 the Enterprise, and it is delightful that he is his own biggest fan. 590 00:35:29,381 --> 00:35:34,691 It kind of, it makes it okay for us to all be fans of Scotty, if he himself 591 00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:37,241 can see him in those glowing terms. 592 00:35:37,451 --> 00:35:40,541 And I, I think like the tension of this episode is that, 593 00:35:40,541 --> 00:35:42,341 uh, he is a man out of time. 594 00:35:42,551 --> 00:35:48,041 He is, he is not exactly an expert on 24th century technology, 595 00:35:48,131 --> 00:35:49,451 and he kind of gets in the way. 596 00:35:50,226 --> 00:35:54,786 And he has a crisis of confidence as he's like, oh, am I past my prime? 597 00:35:55,146 --> 00:35:57,996 Uh, am I, am I past my use by date? 598 00:35:58,176 --> 00:36:02,826 Geordi finds him annoying for about half this episode, and shoes him 599 00:36:02,826 --> 00:36:08,106 out, ends up shouting at him in in engineering saying, you're in my way. 600 00:36:08,781 --> 00:36:12,141 And it's, it's heartbreaking to see our o, our old Scotty 601 00:36:12,231 --> 00:36:13,641 knocked down to size like that. 602 00:36:14,121 --> 00:36:18,391 And Scotty, what he does is he takes a bottle of green alcohol from Ten 603 00:36:18,411 --> 00:36:23,481 Forward and goes to the holodeck and he summons for himself a recreation 604 00:36:23,631 --> 00:36:25,671 of the bridge of the Enterprise. 605 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:26,400 Rob: Yes. 606 00:36:26,421 --> 00:36:31,641 Kevin: He, he walks around, he toasts to his past, his fallen comrades. 607 00:36:31,701 --> 00:36:33,471 He says, here's to you lads. 608 00:36:33,531 --> 00:36:34,581 Cheers to you lads. 609 00:36:34,911 --> 00:36:39,991 And, and sits down and drinks and, and, uh, and is, feels sorry for himself. 610 00:36:39,991 --> 00:36:44,551 The, the wide shot that shows the bridge is stolen from This Side 611 00:36:44,551 --> 00:36:48,721 of Paradise, the original series episode that I mentioned first. 612 00:36:48,721 --> 00:36:54,151 It is one of the few shots of an empty USS Enterprise bridge and 613 00:36:54,151 --> 00:36:55,981 they use that for the wide shot. 614 00:36:56,041 --> 00:37:00,841 And then the, the rest of the scene is played with just like two segments of the 615 00:37:00,841 --> 00:37:03,991 bridge visible in the background because that's all they could afford to build. 616 00:37:04,645 --> 00:37:06,085 Rob: Oh my gosh. 617 00:37:07,206 --> 00:37:12,246 Kevin: Uh, Picard comes to the, uh, to the holodeck and, and they, they 618 00:37:12,246 --> 00:37:18,186 share a drink and they talk about ships and, and what they mean to them. 619 00:37:18,246 --> 00:37:23,226 And Scotty says, I've, I've served on 10 ships, but this was the first one where 620 00:37:23,226 --> 00:37:27,486 I was chief engineer and it's still the only one I think I still think about. 621 00:37:27,576 --> 00:37:29,766 This is where I was home. 622 00:37:30,276 --> 00:37:33,726 It's just so nostalgic and touching and lovely. 623 00:37:34,056 --> 00:37:38,916 Um, but yeah, it all is all rooted around this scene of Scotty alone 624 00:37:38,916 --> 00:37:40,366 on the bridge of the Enterprise. 625 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:41,590 Rob: Excellent. 626 00:37:41,590 --> 00:37:45,130 Thank you for taking us, uh, uh, back to that beautiful moment. 627 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:47,380 Jimmy Doohan getting a moment to shine. 628 00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:51,201 Kevin: This is the final appearance of Montgomery Scott 629 00:37:51,231 --> 00:37:53,481 in the timeline of Star Trek. 630 00:37:54,231 --> 00:37:58,701 We see him fly off, they, they give him, uh, one of the shuttle 631 00:37:58,701 --> 00:38:02,301 pods from the Enterprise because to replace his crashed ship. 632 00:38:02,331 --> 00:38:05,901 And he says, oh, I might make it to that retirement colony I was headed 633 00:38:05,901 --> 00:38:09,021 for originally, but I feel like I've got one or two other adventures 634 00:38:09,021 --> 00:38:10,821 in me first, and he flies off. 635 00:38:10,821 --> 00:38:12,291 And that's the last time we see Scotty. 636 00:38:12,591 --> 00:38:18,021 His final appearance on screen as an actor is in Star Trek: Generations 637 00:38:18,471 --> 00:38:24,501 where, um, he witnesses the, the seeming death of Captain Kirk on the Enterprise 638 00:38:24,501 --> 00:38:30,711 B. Um, that is the, that is the last time we see James Doohan play Scotty. 639 00:38:31,041 --> 00:38:35,331 But the events of this episode are meant to happen after that. 640 00:38:35,335 --> 00:38:35,875 Rob: After. 641 00:38:36,456 --> 00:38:39,486 Kevin: Which makes it a little weird when they bring him out of, uh, out 642 00:38:39,486 --> 00:38:43,086 of the transporter buffer and they say the Enterprise is here to save him. 643 00:38:43,086 --> 00:38:47,556 He's like, I bet old Jim Kirk got her out of moth balls just to come and get me. 644 00:38:47,736 --> 00:38:51,606 Doesn't really make sense because he, he should believe that Kirk is dead. 645 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:55,596 But at the time, this show aired, Generations was not yet written. 646 00:38:55,596 --> 00:38:58,926 And so that is just one of those little blips, I guess you have to, you have 647 00:38:58,926 --> 00:39:02,016 to assume Scotty was still a little dizzy from the transporter buffer. 648 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:02,890 Rob: Yes. 649 00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:03,340 Yeah. 650 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:06,910 The, it's the little, uh, continuity connections and 651 00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:08,800 corrections we make along the way. 652 00:39:09,036 --> 00:39:09,486 Kevin: Yeah. 653 00:39:10,146 --> 00:39:14,946 And this is why still, I can still forgive a continuity blip here or there in modern 654 00:39:14,946 --> 00:39:16,841 Star Trek because it was never perfect. 655 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,140 Rob: No. 656 00:39:18,355 --> 00:39:18,595 No. 657 00:39:18,595 --> 00:39:19,525 And it's not meant to be. 658 00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:23,935 It's the same like in Star Wars when, um, uh, Alec Guinness says, I 659 00:39:23,935 --> 00:39:28,855 don't remember ever owning a droid, looking R2D2, and they go, well, 660 00:39:28,855 --> 00:39:31,785 you spent three movies with R2D2. 661 00:39:32,031 --> 00:39:33,381 Kevin: He didn't own it, Rob. 662 00:39:33,381 --> 00:39:34,581 It was his friend. 663 00:39:34,581 --> 00:39:35,511 He, he built it. 664 00:39:35,511 --> 00:39:37,071 You don't own something you built. 665 00:39:37,131 --> 00:39:38,266 Clearly, that's what he, meant. 666 00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:41,080 Rob: What he told me was true from a certain point of view. 667 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,660 Damn that Obiwan Kenobi. 668 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:49,180 Um, so from the highs of Relics, I'm gonna take us to the, to, 669 00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,480 to the lows of Enterprise. 670 00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:52,840 Yes. 671 00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:58,880 Yes, we are making our, we are making our way to, uh, season 672 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,660 two episode nine, Singularity. 673 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,580 Singularity. 674 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:10,670 So, uh, this is a T'Pol focused episode, um, 675 00:40:10,701 --> 00:40:12,126 Kevin: You've got theme in your episodes. 676 00:40:12,126 --> 00:40:12,361 You got One. 677 00:40:12,921 --> 00:40:13,941 And Singularity. 678 00:40:13,941 --> 00:40:15,826 I guess it makes sense, people alone on the bridge. 679 00:40:16,855 --> 00:40:20,245 Rob: Yeah, it is a common Star Trek thing to go, you know, if we're gonna 680 00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:23,725 have one person alone on the bridge, it's bridge, it's gonna be someone 681 00:40:23,725 --> 00:40:25,675 who's isolated from everybody else. 682 00:40:26,125 --> 00:40:31,230 Um, so yes, everyone in the crew is, uh, succumbing to this almost rage 683 00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:37,360 type of, or, angry, uh, dangerous type of altering to their personalities, 684 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,050 to the point where they end up, uh, knocking themselves out, being knocked 685 00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:42,850 out, being overwhelmed by it all. 686 00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:46,810 We've got Dr. Phlox trying to perform invasive surgery that 687 00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:48,580 will no doubt kill crew members. 688 00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:49,810 Um. 689 00:40:50,590 --> 00:40:57,460 We have Trip, uh, Tucker becoming overly obsessed with fixing the captain's chair. 690 00:40:58,030 --> 00:41:03,370 We have the captain, um, needing to write a speech, uh, on, uh, no write 691 00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:06,190 a forward to a book about his father. 692 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:12,005 And, uh, we have, uh, uh, obsession over cooking in the mess hall. 693 00:41:12,455 --> 00:41:15,585 So, and it all gets to the point where they all collapse and T'Pol 694 00:41:15,605 --> 00:41:20,525 is the only one left on the bridge, uh, conscious and able to, uh, 695 00:41:21,185 --> 00:41:23,435 uh, save the day, which she does. 696 00:41:23,575 --> 00:41:26,040 Kevin: So what the moments alone on the bridge like. 697 00:41:26,938 --> 00:41:31,348 Rob: It's, um, it's, it's a lot rarer than I was hoping for. 698 00:41:31,348 --> 00:41:35,368 So there's is some moments where she's on the bridge with characters 699 00:41:35,368 --> 00:41:40,048 knocked out around, and she's trying to decipher if they're still alive or not. 700 00:41:40,048 --> 00:41:44,908 But most of the isolation in this episode comes to, comes from everybody 701 00:41:44,908 --> 00:41:51,268 else being affected by, uh, what's going on by this singularity event. 702 00:41:51,328 --> 00:41:56,338 And, uh, T'Pol keeping her sanity, trying to keep things together and 703 00:41:56,338 --> 00:41:57,868 keep the crew from killing each other. 704 00:41:58,198 --> 00:42:03,223 There's sort of like fleeting moments where she is not, she's 705 00:42:03,223 --> 00:42:06,073 the only one conscious and everyone else is knocked out. 706 00:42:06,073 --> 00:42:10,573 So there is a moment of her being the only one, you know, awake. 707 00:42:11,383 --> 00:42:15,073 And there is a, a loneliness that builds up in the episode 708 00:42:15,073 --> 00:42:16,663 where she has no one to turn to. 709 00:42:16,813 --> 00:42:20,533 And then that's manifested near the end when she is literally, uh, 710 00:42:20,563 --> 00:42:22,663 the only one still, uh, conscious. 711 00:42:23,118 --> 00:42:23,893 Kevin: This reminds me. 712 00:42:25,443 --> 00:42:29,013 These, the entire crew goes crazy sort of episodes. 713 00:42:29,013 --> 00:42:32,043 I think that that is something seen. 714 00:42:32,043 --> 00:42:35,853 It reminds me of Genesis in, in Star Trek: The Next Generation where they're 715 00:42:36,033 --> 00:42:38,733 all devolving into different creatures. 716 00:42:38,733 --> 00:42:42,816 We talked about that one before where, uh, someone's turning into a spider 717 00:42:42,816 --> 00:42:46,536 and Picard's turning into a pygmy marmoset or something like that. 718 00:42:47,136 --> 00:42:47,886 Um, Yeah. 719 00:42:48,096 --> 00:42:48,396 Yeah. 720 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:51,831 Rob: And the one where they all get, where they all get sexy as well. 721 00:42:52,428 --> 00:42:53,478 Kevin: Yeah, exactly. 722 00:42:53,508 --> 00:42:53,808 Yeah. 723 00:42:53,808 --> 00:42:58,788 Everyone except one of us is, uh, is going crazy, is a, is trope. 724 00:42:59,538 --> 00:43:03,658 It also reminds me of, this is definitely an alone on the bridge episode, this 725 00:43:03,658 --> 00:43:07,788 is, Remember Me from Star Trek: The Next Generation, which is where Dr. 726 00:43:07,788 --> 00:43:12,318 Crusher is the only one who notices that the Enterprise has fewer and 727 00:43:12,318 --> 00:43:15,828 fewer crew people on it, and everyone else like, it's completely normal. 728 00:43:15,858 --> 00:43:16,548 Of course. 729 00:43:16,968 --> 00:43:19,788 Of course you and I are the only crew members of the USS 730 00:43:19,788 --> 00:43:21,138 Enterprise, Beverly Crusher. 731 00:43:21,528 --> 00:43:23,328 Why are you being so strange about this? 732 00:43:23,328 --> 00:43:27,558 And in the end, she is alone on the bridge talking to the computer, trying 733 00:43:27,558 --> 00:43:30,558 to understand what's going on, and trying to get the computer to admit 734 00:43:30,768 --> 00:43:34,938 that it is bizarre that she is the only crew member of the Enterprise. 735 00:43:35,616 --> 00:43:37,956 Rob: That was another one that I was looking at going, will I 736 00:43:37,956 --> 00:43:40,896 watch that or, and I went, no. 737 00:43:40,926 --> 00:43:42,336 You know what's never failed me? 738 00:43:42,516 --> 00:43:43,446 Enterprise. 739 00:43:45,168 --> 00:43:46,728 Kevin: Definitely should have watched Remember Me. 740 00:43:46,728 --> 00:43:48,168 That is a, that is a good one. 741 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:48,708 I love that 742 00:43:48,756 --> 00:43:50,436 Rob: And it's a Beverly Crusher centric. 743 00:43:51,156 --> 00:43:52,326 How rare are they? 744 00:43:52,326 --> 00:43:53,466 Stupid me. 745 00:43:53,718 --> 00:43:54,648 Kevin: Cleanse your palette. 746 00:43:54,663 --> 00:43:55,938 Go and watch Remember Me. 747 00:43:55,938 --> 00:43:56,628 Take my word 748 00:43:56,676 --> 00:43:59,886 Rob: Remember Me and also Relics, I've gotta watch Relics as 749 00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:00,663 Kevin: Yeah. 750 00:44:00,663 --> 00:44:00,933 Yeah. 751 00:44:00,933 --> 00:44:01,233 Yeah. 752 00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:03,213 Uh, good stuff. 753 00:44:03,243 --> 00:44:03,483 Yeah. 754 00:44:03,483 --> 00:44:05,043 Lots of people alone on the bridge. 755 00:44:05,103 --> 00:44:07,593 Um, f fun to revisit those with you, Rob. 756 00:44:08,511 --> 00:44:09,291 Rob: Very fun. 757 00:44:09,291 --> 00:44:11,781 So yeah, we've uh, got three episodes to go. 758 00:44:11,781 --> 00:44:13,011 Eight, nine, and 10. 759 00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:17,163 Kevin: I have it on good authority that our Professor Tilly is 760 00:44:17,163 --> 00:44:18,843 finally making her appearance this 761 00:44:19,101 --> 00:44:20,121 Rob: Of course, that's right. 762 00:44:20,121 --> 00:44:21,111 I've completely forgotten. 763 00:44:21,111 --> 00:44:23,991 We still haven't had our Tilly appearance, so yeah. 764 00:44:24,021 --> 00:44:27,201 Next episode it will have to be, 'cause we'll be shaping up for, 765 00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:31,401 I assume a, a grand finale of season one for the final two. 766 00:44:32,598 --> 00:44:37,668 Kevin: Yeah, good to, good to have the reminders this week of, uh, Caleb's 767 00:44:37,668 --> 00:44:39,918 mother and I'm still looking for her. 768 00:44:39,918 --> 00:44:42,738 And why didn't you ask Nus Braka when he was here? 769 00:44:42,978 --> 00:44:47,328 It's nice that they're keeping that thread still alive in, in, and so that feels 770 00:44:47,328 --> 00:44:50,123 like a promise to me that they're gonna resolve that by the end of the season. 771 00:44:50,931 --> 00:44:56,061 Rob: Especially when you've got an act of, uh, Tatiana Maslani, uh, in that role. 772 00:44:56,091 --> 00:44:59,121 You don't just have them as one episode 773 00:44:59,223 --> 00:44:59,463 Kevin: Yeah. 774 00:44:59,463 --> 00:45:02,613 You're here for 30 seconds and we'll get back to you some other season. 775 00:45:02,613 --> 00:45:03,963 That's not how TV works, I 776 00:45:03,996 --> 00:45:07,176 Rob: I am sorry, Emmy award-winning Orphan Black star. 777 00:45:07,266 --> 00:45:07,596 You know? 778 00:45:07,596 --> 00:45:10,836 Yes, we know you are She Hulk, but you can only do 30 seconds. 779 00:45:11,376 --> 00:45:14,526 Uh, yeah, and it, I mean, it is getting a little bit contrived now. 780 00:45:14,526 --> 00:45:18,486 The, the amount of times Ake says I'm trying everything, going everywhere. 781 00:45:18,906 --> 00:45:21,276 So there has to be a point where it all comes to a head. 782 00:45:21,993 --> 00:45:23,023 Kevin: Maybe this week, Rob. 783 00:45:24,021 --> 00:45:28,641 Rob: Maybe this week we'll wait to see and we cannot wait to get back into this 784 00:45:28,881 --> 00:45:35,301 Subspace Radio chasm and discuss, uh, everything Star Trek on a weekly basis. 785 00:45:35,463 --> 00:45:36,593 Kevin: It's a chasm now. 786 00:45:36,813 --> 00:45:37,033 Oh. 787 00:45:37,461 --> 00:45:38,901 Rob: It, it is a chasm. 788 00:45:38,931 --> 00:45:41,841 Or it's, or It's like it's so empty. 789 00:45:41,841 --> 00:45:43,191 It's just you and me, here. 790 00:45:43,191 --> 00:45:45,321 It's like the two of us are alone 791 00:45:45,723 --> 00:45:46,293 Kevin: chasm. 792 00:45:46,293 --> 00:45:46,593 Right? 793 00:45:46,851 --> 00:45:49,641 Rob: A yawning chasm of a lonely deck. 794 00:45:50,421 --> 00:45:52,281 A bridge of just you and me and our thoughts. 795 00:45:52,953 --> 00:45:53,703 Kevin: Very good. 796 00:45:53,763 --> 00:45:56,583 All right, well, I look forward to filling my chasm with another 797 00:45:56,583 --> 00:45:57,908 episode of Star Trek very soon.