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What is up, everybody?

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It's the chairman of the

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United States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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You are listening to the USDN on the DFPN.

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Oh, my God!

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What is up, everybody?

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

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children of all ages.

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I have Bruno back with us

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today to discuss his new Kickstarter.

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I'm hoping I'm pronouncing this right.

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Cinematic Figments.

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Is that correct?

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It works, yes.

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I've been racking my brain

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on how you presented that

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because I love the name,

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but I know it's like sci-fi

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and cinematic put together,

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which is a really dope

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title for this book and very fitting,

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I might add.

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So for me, it was like, damn,

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is he trying to say

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skin-o-matic or side-o-matic?

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So how are you saying it?

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Yeah, I would say cinematic because,

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you know, it's still the word cinematic.

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It just has an S in front of it.

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But it's the whole thing

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that I did not realize is

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that this works really well

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if you're looking at the

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title and you're reading it.

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But if you're just hearing it,

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it does not work at all.

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Maybe if you would have put

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a dash between the sci and the nematic,

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then maybe it would have

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been a little less confusing.

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But I still love the name of it, man.

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It draws you in by the name

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because it's like, okay,

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we got some sci-fi.

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And the art itself is very

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cinematic in a way that

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it's almost like the

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opening sequence of a Space

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Odyssey anime or something like that.

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Was that what you were going

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for with that?

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uh yeah so a lot of these

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stories they were basically

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I mean I probably mentioned

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that last time that I was

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here that I started doing

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films and stuff like that

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so a lot of the the stories

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in this book are stories

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that I could not make as uh

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you know as films because

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they were expensive for

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example parasites is one of

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those I had this very uh clear idea about

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telling this story as a short film.

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And then I thought, well,

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I'm never going to be able

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to do this as a short film.

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And I thought, okay,

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let's put it into comics.

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And yeah, that's how the name was born,

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was like this cinematic stories.

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Okay.

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No, that makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah.

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No, it really works that way too,

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at least.

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So I don't know how many

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other people haven't had

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the honor of reading these yet,

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but I have read all four.

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Well, technically, I think it's three,

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right?

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But there's two stories in issue one,

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Finite.

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And then in issue two of the anthology,

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there's two stories,

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Parasites and Infinite.

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Because I didn't see a

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second title in issue one.

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I know there's two stories,

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but I don't recall seeing

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the second title.

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Oh.

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It was the work in progress

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one is the one I got to read.

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yeah yeah basically what I

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sent was like uh you know a

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review uh copy uh yeah not

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a lot of people have read

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it yet I think so yeah but

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um class because I'm happy

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I've got to read it because

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I am it dude I was blown

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away it was another one of

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those where I'm on the edge

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of my seat and I wanted

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more from it like I'm like

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god he's gonna leave me

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like this again on another like

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Come on, Bruno.

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Give me more, man.

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Yeah, I just write things without endings.

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That's the... No, I'm kidding.

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The second story,

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it's called My Time Has Come.

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Okay.

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Which is kind of a shitty title.

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It's really not.

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If it's the story I'm thinking of,

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it was perfect.

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That's a perfect title for it.

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Okay, yeah,

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but I debated a lot the title

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of that story.

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I kind of... It had a lot of titles,

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that story.

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Let's put it like that.

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Because that's the one I

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think you were talking about.

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Like, hey, it may be a little political.

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Yeah, well, it was not intended like that.

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I just think that's a lot

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of... It wasn't really

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anything... I didn't feel

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it as political.

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I mean...

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let's just,

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we'll dive into the story just

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a little bit because this,

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that was probably one of my favorites,

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the way it ended.

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Cause it was like the

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perfect ending for this guy.

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Like this guy is a complete

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chauvinistic douche.

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No other way to put it.

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And he got his just deserves

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at the end of that story,

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which to me was so fitting

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for him and his, his,

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I'm guessing Demise because

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we don't know if he perished,

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but I'm guessing he perished.

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But it was the perfect

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ending for this guy.

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I'm like, oh,

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this guy got what he deserved.

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That's really good to hear, yeah.

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I mean,

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you never know when you're telling

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a story without having a

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very obvious ending.

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They're always like,

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are people going to get it?

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Are people going to like it?

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Yeah, it's good to hear that.

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No, that story was of the four,

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and I liked all four.

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That was probably my

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favorite because the whole

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time I'm reading the story, I'm like,

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damn, this dude's an asshole.

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He's everything that society doesn't need.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And for him to get his

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comeuppance was like, hell yeah.

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Like, he got what he deserved at the end.

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Yeah.

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And I think when I said it's

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a little bit more political,

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it's really because of the whole,

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you know, the way he behaves.

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Yeah.

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He's politicizing things that,

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in my opinion, are really not politics.

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No, you're absolutely right.

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And to me,

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it was just the typical alpha

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male mentality that you

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still see out there on a daily basis.

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I mean, the news is full of them.

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But the way – yeah.

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All I can say is people will need to buy –

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This Kickstarter,

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whether it's the you just

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get the electric support,

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the pledge or pledge to

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just support and get the

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electric copy of it through

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PDF or if you actually buy

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the paper copy of it.

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That's a story I think needs

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to be read because it to me

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was that good.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, it's very good to hear.

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Yeah, it's,

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it's probably the more traditional one,

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to be honest, from the from the four.

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Yeah, I think it's probably a risky.

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It's probably a risky book,

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because a lot of the

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stories are very much

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I don't know, they're different.

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They're not the typical storytelling,

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I guess.

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Not, but to me,

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that's what makes it good to me.

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I've been an indie comic guy

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since I got back into the game.

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There's a few mainstream stories.

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Well, I won't even say stories,

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characters that I enjoy reading.

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Like I'm currently reading

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Daredevil Unleashed Hell by

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Erica Schultz.

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but I'm a fan of Erica

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Schultz because she was the

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first female writer to

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write a Spawn title with Rat City.

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And she's also doing a

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really good job of

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Edge-XXIII and that stuff

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and a few other books.

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But she's a phenomenal writer.

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And that's why I picked up

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Daredevil Unleashed Hell.

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It's just simply because she

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is a good writer.

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But me following Indie Comics,

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basically from the beginning,

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from James Tinian and those guys,

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I've always appreciated

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their stories more because

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they're different.

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They're not the mainstream superheroes.

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that we're used to.

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So that's kind of what's

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always drawn me to titles

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like this is that they're

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not the mainstream stuff.

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It's a different type of

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storytelling that not

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everybody is going to enjoy.

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But for me, with this one in you,

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I think there's something

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there for everybody.

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Yeah, you were talking about Tinian.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean,

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Department of Truth is such a good book.

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So the Department of Truth, World Tree,

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House of Slaughter,

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Something is Killing the Children,

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his new one that's all

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about the cryptids and stuff like that.

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Phenomenal storyteller.

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And he's got a laundry list

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of titles right now that

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there's something there for everybody.

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And that's what I've always

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appreciated about him is

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that he writes for everybody.

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Like you can pick up one of

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his books and go, oh, I don't like this.

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Pick up a different book, start reading it,

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and realize, oh, damn, this is Tinian.

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Maybe I should go back and

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read this other book that I

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said I didn't like because

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this one's so good.

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But I think my very first

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title of his that I ever

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read was Something is

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Killing the Children.

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And the – Do not spoil it.

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in the nice house by the lake.

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Yeah, that's really good.

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Do not spoil it.

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It's here, but I still haven't read it.

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Bro.

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You're going to love it.

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House of Slaughter just

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finished with issue thirty.

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And dude, that the way it finished,

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it set up the next arc of

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something is killing the

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children that comes out

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next month in April.

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So I'm super excited about

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that because I've been such

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a huge fan from the very beginning.

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Like I went out and found

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like because I got into it late and

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So I had to go back and like

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hunt down individual books.

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And I know some people who

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have collected every cover,

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which some of these books

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have ten to fifteen covers

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and they get them all.

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I just wanted one cover, you know,

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and it was so hard to find.

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But I finally got it.

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You know,

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I finally pieced the entire

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individual issues together

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so I could read it.

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And granted,

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I still buy the trade

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paperback or the hardbound.

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Just I want to have it

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because I'm such a big fan

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of him and why he just

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started his own company with Tiny Onion.

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So and Tiny Onion is working with Image,

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Boom and Dynamite.

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They're working with

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everybody to write these really cool,

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unique stories.

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And by him having his own

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umbrella of Tiny Onion,

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it's allowing him to make

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more money off of it.

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And they're basically publishing his book.

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are doing the production of

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the book while he's making

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the most money off of it,

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which is the way it should be.

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Yeah,

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and he gets to tell the stories he

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wants to tell,

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not what the big publishers would want.

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But that's what's great about Kickstarter.

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It allows people like

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yourself to do the same thing.

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Yeah, it's true.

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I mean,

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you'll always find the other day I

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was I can't remember who it

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was with saying, you know,

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just write what you want to read.

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And I guess that's true,

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because if you like to read it,

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chances are that somebody

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else out there is going to like it.

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So if you write that,

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you will you will find your audience.

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And I started doing conventions, you know,

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more recently.

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I've seen that.

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Yeah.

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How is that going?

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uh I only done a couple of

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them but it's it's it's

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really fun I'm really

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enjoying them and uh the

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main thing is that you do

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get to talk with people who

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really enjoy comics who are

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looking for new things and

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I guess it it's that thing

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that yeah you you are

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meeting people and slowly

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you are kind of building a

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list of people that

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actually start following

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your work and enjoy what you

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do I guess and um yeah it's

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not going to be overnight

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but you if you write

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something you enjoy uh yeah

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you will eventually find

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people will enjoy it as

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well I guess yeah so let me

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ask you this like in the

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u.s comic-con stuff slowly

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became more about

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everything else than the

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comic is it the same way

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there in the uk as well yeah

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It's terrible here.

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I would say that I actually

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wrote an article on Medium

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about the conventions that

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I think are worth it from

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the point of view of readers and traders.

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But yeah, I mean, you have Thought Bubble,

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which is like, you know,

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It's a haven for comic book creators.

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Last year, we had Tinian.

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We had Chip Starsky.

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We had a lot of... That's good.

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There's still some out there

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that's about the comic book.

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I know there's one here

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somewhere they have every year,

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but it's not very...

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It's briefly advertised,

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and then it's over.

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By the time it's over, I'm like, oh,

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this is, oh, wait, it's already passed.

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And I'm disappointed because

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that one is truly about the

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comic books versus, you know,

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I have no issues with anime.

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I watch a ton of anime.

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But most of these conventions,

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now you go there,

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it's just people selling art prints,

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cartoons.

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costume accessories and

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there's not a whole lot of

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comic book to it anymore,

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which there's nothing wrong with that.

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They're meant to expand and

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have something there for everybody.

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But we have to stop calling

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that a comic con because

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it's no longer a comic con.

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A comic con to me is about the comic book.

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It's about the creators, the writers,

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the production side of it.

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I know San Diego Comic Con

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is a little bit better and

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some of the bigger ones are

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a little bit better where

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they have a ton of creators.

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Publishers have their own

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booths and stuff like that.

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But some of these smaller ones,

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they try to have something for everybody.

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It's one of those where they

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say pick your struggle and

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they're picking all the

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struggles but still calling

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it a Comic Con.

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It's no longer a Comic Con.

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yeah yeah I mean the one

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that I did more recently I

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kind of if I just

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considered the table I

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would have broken even I

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don't because I traveled

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and all of that but but

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yeah it's I think at small

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comic cons near you you

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might actually you might actually

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do all right if you live

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nearby uh but uh but yeah

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but only because there

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isn't much choice right so

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if someone goes there

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looking for comics they're

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like oh there's you and two

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other guys so you know

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they'll eventually buy from

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you and it's like yeah and

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what's cool about that is

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is with you they're getting

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something different and

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they're getting something unique

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So, you know,

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they're going to sit down and

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read it versus it's just

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going to go in my box over here.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But still, but I feel like you,

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I feel like the whole, you know,

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I was in a... I'm not going to name names,

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but I was in a convention

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last year that...

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I basically asked for a refund.

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They didn't give me one,

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but I asked for a refund

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because I got there.

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I traveled.

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It was two days.

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I got a two day ticket.

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It was a really big event.

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And I got there and there

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was like two comic book traders,

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two in an event called Comic-Con.

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And the, and it costs people don't,

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I don't think people

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realize is like people like

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creators get invites to these things,

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but they're still paying

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for the table space.

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whether it's a hundred, two hundred,

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three hundred bucks,

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I've seen it go for even

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more for table space.

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And I'm like,

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they may not even break even

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on the day because their

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people aren't going there

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for the comic books anymore.

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Yeah.

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And that's been the thing

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that I've been kind of

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trying to incentivize, you know,

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I criticize conventions a lot.

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For example,

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MCM is a big one in the UK and

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they are still one of the best,

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at least in London, Birmingham,

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not so much, but yeah, but London,

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they are still one of the best.

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And I did not get in, unfortunately.

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uh I'm not salty but uh you

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know um but even when I

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could decide just like

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terrible buddy you're a

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little salty yeah no but um

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yeah I mean I think I'm

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more worried about the fact

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that you know it used to be

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a really good convention

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for comics and it's getting

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worse and worse like you

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say there's a lot of people

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selling look there's room

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for everybody but

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When you have an artist

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alley where you have more people selling,

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you know, prints of Baldur's Gate or,

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you know, or something like that.

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I mean, it's where is the original work,

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right?

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Whereas, you know,

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we have the whole thing now with AI.

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Oh, man, I should not say this.

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People are going to just

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kill me for saying this.

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But no, I mean,

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AI has its place in the world.

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Comic book art isn't one of them.

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no no no absolutely but what

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I'm saying is that artists

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complain a lot about you

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know ai stealing their work

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yeah and then we have you

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know artistally full of

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artists basically selling

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things that they do not own

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the rights to and it's like

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I mean fine I'm okay with

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that but maybe have more

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original material as well

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you know yeah yeah yeah no I I yeah

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off topic a little bit but

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that's fine because some of

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these are important to say

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but let's get to cinematic

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figments uh give us an

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overview of the anthology

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and kind of what makes it

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unique and why people

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should support it on

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kickstarter uh yeah I mean um

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I'm a massive fan of Twilight Zone and,

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you know,

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Black Mirror as well to an extent.

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So good.

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So good.

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Twilight Zone especially.

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And it's because, you know,

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we often say that, oh, keep, you know,

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keep the message out of my entertainment.

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I don't agree with that.

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I think that, you know,

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entertainment should have,

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it doesn't have to be political,

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it doesn't have to be, you know,

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it can be just, you know,

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something to make you think,

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it can be a philosophical question,

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it can be anything, right?

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It definitely doesn't have

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to always be political.

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And I think stories most of

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the times it's not.

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but yeah it's that having a

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story that you're telling a

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story and you're you know

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talking about something

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that isn't the thing I I

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don't know if if that makes

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sense but uh and I I think

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cinematic fitness is very

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much that kind of like

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twilight zone in the sense

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that um the story there's

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there is a story and there

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is a story to follow but

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it's it's more about uh

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raising a question making

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you think for example you

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know the message at the end

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of the first story for

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night is I I think it's

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kind of obvious yeah uh

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without giving spoilers uh

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I mean it just kind of goes

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full circle you know the

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way that it starts and the

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way it ends but it kind of

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puts everything in a

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different perspective and

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In his real world in that one, very much.

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Because that guy is dealing with a real...

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problem you know what I'm

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saying that and I think

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everybody has a story

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similar to that or knows

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somebody with a similar

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story as that one yeah and

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I I mean that part you can

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say yeah it's uh it's

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basically um uh a

00:21:40.054 --> 00:21:41.134
researcher that's at the

00:21:41.174 --> 00:21:42.395
edge of the solar system

00:21:42.556 --> 00:21:43.596
and finds out that he has

00:21:43.616 --> 00:21:45.156
you know uh an incurable

00:21:45.178 --> 00:21:47.959
cancer which you know uh

00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:49.559
this is in the future and

00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:50.500
he says it right at the

00:21:50.540 --> 00:21:51.521
beginning you know we can

00:21:52.281 --> 00:21:53.482
travel faster than the speed

00:21:53.522 --> 00:21:54.722
of light we can you know do

00:21:54.742 --> 00:21:55.762
all these amazing things

00:21:55.803 --> 00:21:57.183
but we still can cure you

00:21:57.203 --> 00:22:00.585
know cancer uh and it's you

00:22:00.605 --> 00:22:02.125
know it's about coming to

00:22:02.165 --> 00:22:02.945
terms with his own

00:22:02.986 --> 00:22:05.747
mortality and there's all

00:22:05.787 --> 00:22:06.948
these questions kind of

00:22:07.008 --> 00:22:10.009
just uh yeah there's the

00:22:10.068 --> 00:22:11.210
journey of the character

00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:14.090
but I always try to I don't

00:22:14.111 --> 00:22:15.070
know I try to tell a story

00:22:15.111 --> 00:22:16.051
to make you think about

00:22:16.132 --> 00:22:17.372
okay in this situation you

00:22:17.392 --> 00:22:20.272
know I I don't know how do

00:22:20.292 --> 00:22:21.653
you interpret it how would you

00:22:22.912 --> 00:22:24.472
To bring your own experience to it,

00:22:24.492 --> 00:22:26.095
to bring your own ideas to it.

00:22:26.115 --> 00:22:28.957
I think that's, for me,

00:22:28.997 --> 00:22:30.157
good storytelling is that.

00:22:30.198 --> 00:22:33.601
It's bringing your own thing into,

00:22:34.060 --> 00:22:35.742
to interpret it, if that makes sense.

00:22:36.022 --> 00:22:38.325
Yeah, no, no.

00:22:38.345 --> 00:22:39.786
That defines what a story is.

00:22:42.949 --> 00:22:43.650
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:45.430 --> 00:22:48.412
So yeah, I mean, why cinematic things?

00:22:48.451 --> 00:22:50.551
Yeah, I mean, if you like stuff like,

00:22:50.652 --> 00:22:51.653
you know, Twilight Zone,

00:22:51.732 --> 00:22:53.834
like my previous book, Bereavement,

00:22:57.115 --> 00:22:58.335
you know, Black Mirror,

00:22:58.535 --> 00:23:01.537
even Star Trek and that sort of thing.

00:23:01.557 --> 00:23:03.217
So you brought up, like,

00:23:03.396 --> 00:23:06.018
you pose a question within

00:23:06.057 --> 00:23:07.459
the story to make you think.

00:23:08.925 --> 00:23:10.426
if I remember right at the

00:23:10.467 --> 00:23:11.826
beginning of every episode

00:23:11.866 --> 00:23:13.728
of tells from the crypt the

00:23:13.768 --> 00:23:15.228
crypt keeper would pose a

00:23:15.288 --> 00:23:17.888
question then go into the

00:23:17.989 --> 00:23:23.892
story yeah there you go no

00:23:24.172 --> 00:23:25.892
fair enough yeah I do not

00:23:25.952 --> 00:23:27.252
know that I need to check

00:23:27.292 --> 00:23:28.733
it out oh tell us from the

00:23:28.773 --> 00:23:30.894
crew man was yeah that was

00:23:30.933 --> 00:23:32.234
my jam back in the day that

00:23:32.255 --> 00:23:34.675
was my story time just before bed

00:23:35.768 --> 00:23:36.868
As a horror fan,

00:23:37.490 --> 00:23:38.510
Tales from the Crypt and

00:23:38.550 --> 00:23:42.075
The Crypt Keeper were, yeah, that was,

00:23:42.695 --> 00:23:43.757
because he would start it out,

00:23:43.797 --> 00:23:47.881
he would open a book and he would like,

00:23:47.921 --> 00:23:48.161
you know,

00:23:48.201 --> 00:23:50.324
pose the question from the book

00:23:50.364 --> 00:23:51.664
and then go into the story.

00:23:52.605 --> 00:23:53.867
And by the end of the story,

00:23:54.208 --> 00:23:55.769
the question that he posed

00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:56.770
would be answered.

00:23:57.790 --> 00:23:59.651
Okay.

00:23:59.671 --> 00:24:00.151
Yeah, I mean,

00:24:00.270 --> 00:24:01.132
I think in this case it's

00:24:01.172 --> 00:24:04.192
like more I try not to, I don't know,

00:24:05.231 --> 00:24:06.153
answer it obviously.

00:24:06.192 --> 00:24:07.272
And I guess that's, you know,

00:24:07.653 --> 00:24:10.792
where you say that, oh,

00:24:10.813 --> 00:24:12.314
you're going to leave me hanging and,

00:24:12.374 --> 00:24:13.453
you know, that sort of thing is that,

00:24:13.493 --> 00:24:13.753
you know,

00:24:14.114 --> 00:24:15.673
I try not to always give like

00:24:15.713 --> 00:24:16.413
that answer.

00:24:17.153 --> 00:24:17.394
Yeah.

00:24:17.775 --> 00:24:18.734
Why don't you leave it open

00:24:18.755 --> 00:24:20.394
for people to derive their

00:24:20.575 --> 00:24:23.035
own answers from the story?

00:24:23.455 --> 00:24:24.316
And the only one that I

00:24:24.336 --> 00:24:25.635
think that I've seen that was like,

00:24:27.491 --> 00:24:31.634
A real finish where it poses a question,

00:24:31.674 --> 00:24:33.195
but you kind of know was

00:24:33.215 --> 00:24:37.498
that second story from book one.

00:24:37.597 --> 00:24:39.179
And to me, like I said earlier,

00:24:39.219 --> 00:24:41.260
that had the perfect ending.

00:24:41.300 --> 00:24:42.541
It didn't need to be said.

00:24:43.241 --> 00:24:44.623
You just kind of knew.

00:24:46.730 --> 00:24:47.990
yeah and I guess that's why

00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:49.151
that's the more traditional

00:24:49.191 --> 00:24:50.372
story I think from the four

00:24:50.412 --> 00:24:51.792
is because yeah I think

00:24:51.813 --> 00:24:53.594
it's a more it has a more

00:24:53.634 --> 00:24:56.075
of a conclusion uh yeah the

00:24:56.095 --> 00:24:57.036
other ones are very much

00:24:57.076 --> 00:24:59.376
like you know your twilight

00:24:59.396 --> 00:25:00.738
zone sort of thing so if

00:25:00.798 --> 00:25:01.998
you do like that I mean you

00:25:02.038 --> 00:25:03.098
probably are going to like

00:25:03.138 --> 00:25:06.421
that I mean uh yeah like I

00:25:06.441 --> 00:25:07.781
said there's four different

00:25:07.821 --> 00:25:10.542
stories uh they range from

00:25:10.682 --> 00:25:11.903
different teams like you know

00:25:14.266 --> 00:25:17.048
life and death, mortality, from, you know,

00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:21.332
struggling with your own inner,

00:25:21.872 --> 00:25:24.515
I don't know, demons, addictions,

00:25:24.555 --> 00:25:25.596
that sort of thing.

00:25:26.737 --> 00:25:29.138
There's a lot of... Yeah,

00:25:29.179 --> 00:25:31.681
there's a lot of... So the last one,

00:25:32.141 --> 00:25:32.721
Infinite,

00:25:33.201 --> 00:25:35.483
which is a perfect title for this,

00:25:36.224 --> 00:25:39.107
for that story, it was very...

00:25:43.365 --> 00:25:44.767
I don't want to spoil nothing,

00:25:46.146 --> 00:25:48.386
but it took me probably

00:25:49.346 --> 00:25:51.228
three pages into the story

00:25:51.268 --> 00:25:52.607
before I realized that the

00:25:52.667 --> 00:25:58.648
main character was a AI, was a robot.

00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.670
And I was like, oh damn, that's a, okay,

00:26:03.130 --> 00:26:03.470
cool.

00:26:04.049 --> 00:26:04.371
I'm like,

00:26:04.490 --> 00:26:05.651
I didn't see that coming because

00:26:05.671 --> 00:26:07.290
he keeps talking about his father.

00:26:09.010 --> 00:26:11.511
And then it's like, okay, his father.

00:26:12.961 --> 00:26:14.162
But damn,

00:26:14.281 --> 00:26:15.923
the name of the story is infinite,

00:26:16.104 --> 00:26:17.565
and what he's doing is

00:26:17.625 --> 00:26:19.727
potentially an infinite thing.

00:26:20.647 --> 00:26:22.449
So I was like,

00:26:22.489 --> 00:26:23.829
how is this guy still going

00:26:23.849 --> 00:26:24.891
for this long?

00:26:25.872 --> 00:26:29.134
Then it's like, oh, wait, this is a robot.

00:26:29.394 --> 00:26:30.336
This is an AI.

00:26:31.336 --> 00:26:33.459
So that was a cool story, too.

00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:36.809
yeah I I really like that I

00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:37.911
mean that one was something

00:26:37.951 --> 00:26:40.191
that I just woke up with

00:26:40.211 --> 00:26:42.111
like the um you know the

00:26:42.131 --> 00:26:43.791
the voice over that uh the

00:26:43.832 --> 00:26:46.491
captions of that story this

00:26:46.531 --> 00:26:47.771
just kept coming to my mind

00:26:47.791 --> 00:26:48.732
that I kind of just put it

00:26:48.752 --> 00:26:49.772
in my notes and then I just

00:26:49.813 --> 00:26:50.893
created a story around it

00:26:50.952 --> 00:26:51.952
it was like a really

00:26:52.712 --> 00:26:54.094
different process for that

00:26:54.114 --> 00:26:58.394
um so that was a really fun

00:26:58.513 --> 00:27:01.934
one it it makes you

00:27:03.303 --> 00:27:06.203
made me think like dang this

00:27:06.243 --> 00:27:08.763
dude's literally on a

00:27:08.864 --> 00:27:10.464
never-ending mission like a

00:27:10.545 --> 00:27:13.185
never-ending journey you

00:27:13.226 --> 00:27:14.986
know as far as we the

00:27:15.066 --> 00:27:19.987
reader can tell so that one

00:27:20.007 --> 00:27:21.708
to me was really unique in

00:27:21.748 --> 00:27:26.648
that he's just out there it's just him

00:27:28.737 --> 00:27:31.038
And with it being an AI and

00:27:31.218 --> 00:27:32.557
supposedly machine learning

00:27:32.637 --> 00:27:33.378
and everything,

00:27:33.479 --> 00:27:36.240
he's very human characteristically.

00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.040
And as far as he's going,

00:27:41.201 --> 00:27:43.122
that's got to be lonely as hell.

00:27:43.261 --> 00:27:45.202
Like his own inter-turmoil

00:27:45.222 --> 00:27:47.703
that he faces day in and

00:27:47.784 --> 00:27:50.505
day out just alone with nobody there.

00:27:51.685 --> 00:27:51.905
Dude,

00:27:51.945 --> 00:27:54.086
that to me in and of itself would

00:27:54.146 --> 00:27:54.967
drive me mad.

00:27:56.826 --> 00:28:00.469
yeah yeah that yeah I mean

00:28:00.689 --> 00:28:01.670
the funny thing about that

00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:05.231
story was that so this book

00:28:05.392 --> 00:28:06.672
this whole book was written

00:28:06.711 --> 00:28:07.873
I don't know four or five

00:28:07.913 --> 00:28:09.953
years ago so before ai was

00:28:09.973 --> 00:28:12.715
a thing and there's

00:28:12.776 --> 00:28:13.615
actually a part in that

00:28:13.655 --> 00:28:16.258
story where he's making art

00:28:16.278 --> 00:28:18.358
so you have an ai making art yeah yeah

00:28:21.157 --> 00:28:22.117
And yeah, I find it really,

00:28:22.817 --> 00:28:23.838
I don't want to say funny

00:28:23.858 --> 00:28:25.240
because there's nothing funny about it,

00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.759
but it's the whole thing of, you know,

00:28:26.779 --> 00:28:27.820
that was written like four

00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:28.740
or five years ago.

00:28:30.162 --> 00:28:32.722
And it was right on the kind

00:28:32.762 --> 00:28:34.023
of right on the cusp of

00:28:34.064 --> 00:28:36.545
when AI was becoming or

00:28:36.585 --> 00:28:37.746
starting to become like a

00:28:37.826 --> 00:28:41.028
mainstream everyday talked about thing.

00:28:41.827 --> 00:28:42.428
It was like that.

00:28:42.448 --> 00:28:43.388
Twenty, twenty, twenty,

00:28:43.429 --> 00:28:44.209
twenty one right around

00:28:44.249 --> 00:28:46.630
COVID is when I really

00:28:46.670 --> 00:28:47.711
started feeling like it was

00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:49.571
getting like pushed more mainstream.

00:28:50.325 --> 00:28:54.066
Yeah, but it wasn't still, I mean,

00:28:54.086 --> 00:28:55.425
we still didn't have like, you know,

00:28:55.465 --> 00:28:57.326
Will Smith eating spaghetti, right?

00:28:57.527 --> 00:29:00.067
We still, there was still that,

00:29:00.926 --> 00:29:02.827
it was still not being used to create,

00:29:02.847 --> 00:29:05.107
you know, images or videos like that.

00:29:05.587 --> 00:29:08.269
And it's really weird now to

00:29:08.288 --> 00:29:10.068
read that story and to see, oh,

00:29:10.689 --> 00:29:13.390
this is kind of a self-fulfilling story.

00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:14.509
I don't know.

00:29:14.910 --> 00:29:15.971
This thing is happening now.

00:29:16.030 --> 00:29:17.132
It's like,

00:29:17.172 --> 00:29:19.093
what are people going to think

00:29:19.133 --> 00:29:19.573
about that?

00:29:19.593 --> 00:29:20.113
We don't know.

00:29:20.212 --> 00:29:21.713
Five, ten years from now, shit,

00:29:21.733 --> 00:29:23.815
that may be an actual thing going on.

00:29:23.974 --> 00:29:24.615
We don't know.

00:29:25.715 --> 00:29:28.238
How fast that will go.

00:29:28.417 --> 00:29:28.837
You know?

00:29:29.057 --> 00:29:29.498
Because, I mean,

00:29:29.518 --> 00:29:30.118
we're still in the

00:29:30.138 --> 00:29:32.119
beginning stages of this.

00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:34.601
I just hope it doesn't go

00:29:34.621 --> 00:29:38.583
the route of Skynet from the Terminator.

00:29:39.022 --> 00:29:40.044
You know, that would be, like,

00:29:40.124 --> 00:29:41.064
the worst thing ever.

00:29:41.184 --> 00:29:41.424
So...

00:29:42.699 --> 00:29:44.140
Yeah, no, I hope not.

00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:44.460
I mean,

00:29:44.701 --> 00:29:47.041
I hope they are more like this AI

00:29:47.082 --> 00:29:47.843
that's like, you know,

00:29:48.522 --> 00:29:49.503
you have your own thing.

00:29:49.544 --> 00:29:51.226
You can't do anything about it.

00:29:51.546 --> 00:29:52.846
You're suffering a lot.

00:29:53.826 --> 00:29:54.688
He's literally,

00:29:54.968 --> 00:29:56.189
the way he's programmed is

00:29:56.229 --> 00:29:57.230
there is literally jack

00:29:57.250 --> 00:29:58.270
shit he can do about it.

00:29:59.531 --> 00:29:59.872
Yeah, yeah.

00:29:59.892 --> 00:30:01.633
His only thing is the mission.

00:30:02.554 --> 00:30:04.295
He can't self-abort it.

00:30:04.516 --> 00:30:06.096
He can't do none of that stuff.

00:30:07.230 --> 00:30:08.529
Like, even if he wanted to,

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:10.490
and that's his inner struggle,

00:30:11.070 --> 00:30:12.892
is that he knows he's on

00:30:12.912 --> 00:30:14.551
this never-ending mission

00:30:14.632 --> 00:30:16.192
and there's not a darn

00:30:16.231 --> 00:30:17.272
thing he can do about it.

00:30:18.173 --> 00:30:20.473
Well, he doesn't necessarily know, right?

00:30:20.534 --> 00:30:20.713
I mean,

00:30:20.773 --> 00:30:23.193
it's the whole thing of... I guess

00:30:23.433 --> 00:30:24.154
that's the question.

00:30:24.234 --> 00:30:26.315
I mean, not wanting to give much away,

00:30:26.355 --> 00:30:29.796
but I think I see finite and infinite as,

00:30:30.635 --> 00:30:32.916
like, I don't know,

00:30:33.037 --> 00:30:34.457
opposite sister stories

00:30:34.497 --> 00:30:35.577
because they are kind of...

00:30:36.791 --> 00:30:38.092
They're kind of the same story,

00:30:38.132 --> 00:30:39.011
but a different aspect.

00:30:39.031 --> 00:30:39.432
One is, you know... Yeah,

00:30:39.452 --> 00:30:41.252
I was going to ask you about that.

00:30:41.272 --> 00:30:42.492
If you meant them to be like

00:30:42.553 --> 00:30:44.594
the opposites of each other.

00:30:44.614 --> 00:30:47.173
Not originally when I wrote them,

00:30:47.213 --> 00:30:49.013
but then I realized that, oh yeah,

00:30:49.034 --> 00:30:50.095
they are kind of opposites

00:30:50.134 --> 00:30:52.474
because one is like, you know,

00:30:52.494 --> 00:30:54.234
what if there's a finite

00:30:54.255 --> 00:30:56.215
nature to the universe and the other is,

00:30:56.355 --> 00:30:57.935
what if the universe is

00:30:58.056 --> 00:30:59.356
infinite and there's no end

00:30:59.376 --> 00:31:00.856
and there was no beginning, no end,

00:31:00.896 --> 00:31:01.576
you know, it's like...

00:31:02.570 --> 00:31:03.211
we're just human,

00:31:03.251 --> 00:31:04.933
we cannot understand the

00:31:04.993 --> 00:31:06.675
idea of something being infinite.

00:31:07.817 --> 00:31:09.459
So it's kind of those two,

00:31:11.923 --> 00:31:13.604
don't know opposites I guess

00:31:13.784 --> 00:31:15.564
uh so yeah infinite was

00:31:15.624 --> 00:31:18.585
meant as as that what if

00:31:19.484 --> 00:31:21.266
there is no end to it or

00:31:21.326 --> 00:31:25.307
beginning or so yeah um I

00:31:25.326 --> 00:31:26.106
lost myself I don't know

00:31:26.126 --> 00:31:28.127
what I was saying no no

00:31:28.188 --> 00:31:29.607
you're spot on so we've

00:31:29.627 --> 00:31:31.008
talked about three of the

00:31:31.048 --> 00:31:33.209
four stories let's take a

00:31:33.269 --> 00:31:36.009
second to talk about probably the most

00:31:37.627 --> 00:31:39.169
horrifying thing possible

00:31:39.729 --> 00:31:41.170
which is kind of like area

00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:42.430
I'm trying to remember the

00:31:42.470 --> 00:31:43.830
name area nine or whatever

00:31:43.891 --> 00:31:48.532
it was the movie oh okay

00:31:48.712 --> 00:31:50.413
yeah with the shrimp like

00:31:50.513 --> 00:31:53.816
aliens district nine

00:31:53.855 --> 00:31:55.215
district nine district nine

00:31:55.236 --> 00:31:56.076
yes yeah I love that movie

00:31:56.196 --> 00:31:56.997
I love that movie and I've

00:31:57.017 --> 00:31:58.597
heard there's going to be a

00:31:58.698 --> 00:32:01.098
new one of those but this

00:32:01.138 --> 00:32:02.839
is kind of like that meets

00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:06.801
a vampire's type of story almost

00:32:08.084 --> 00:32:13.848
Where aliens have come to Earth,

00:32:15.871 --> 00:32:17.172
but there's only a certain

00:32:17.231 --> 00:32:20.634
type of human that they can feed off of.

00:32:22.997 --> 00:32:26.640
And dude, that shit was like, holy hell.

00:32:29.122 --> 00:32:30.403
Yeah, I mean, it makes a lot more sense.

00:32:30.423 --> 00:32:32.684
The alien itself is creepy as shit.

00:32:33.365 --> 00:32:35.067
It's like something out of a horror story.

00:32:36.846 --> 00:32:38.269
yeah yeah I mean I I

00:32:38.328 --> 00:32:39.369
absolutely love the design

00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:40.851
of the aliens samuel did a

00:32:40.891 --> 00:32:43.032
fantastic job so yeah if

00:32:43.053 --> 00:32:44.173
you read portrait of a

00:32:44.233 --> 00:32:45.516
solid did that book as well

00:32:45.695 --> 00:32:46.797
but this was the first time

00:32:46.817 --> 00:32:47.837
that we worked together

00:32:47.998 --> 00:32:49.118
again like four or five

00:32:49.159 --> 00:32:52.122
years ago um and yeah it

00:32:52.162 --> 00:32:53.143
just hasn't come out until

00:32:53.182 --> 00:32:55.726
now and yeah that story

00:32:56.506 --> 00:32:57.606
that one was definitely one

00:32:57.646 --> 00:32:59.088
that I had planned to do as a short film

00:33:00.575 --> 00:33:01.556
uh yeah never happened

00:33:01.576 --> 00:33:02.556
because you know budget

00:33:02.596 --> 00:33:04.517
reasons and you know

00:33:04.656 --> 00:33:06.497
imagine a short film having

00:33:07.077 --> 00:33:08.417
aliens that look like that

00:33:09.159 --> 00:33:10.239
or spaceship eating off

00:33:10.278 --> 00:33:11.880
people yeah feeding off

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.681
people um yeah that would

00:33:14.701 --> 00:33:17.342
have been cheap so yeah I

00:33:17.382 --> 00:33:20.903
mean I'm I'm kind of happy

00:33:20.923 --> 00:33:23.344
that I was able to tell

00:33:23.364 --> 00:33:24.263
that story in the comic

00:33:24.304 --> 00:33:25.964
format I know that one

00:33:27.824 --> 00:33:29.805
So the second story and this

00:33:29.845 --> 00:33:31.085
story were probably my two

00:33:31.125 --> 00:33:32.905
favorites from this anthology.

00:33:34.006 --> 00:33:35.186
Just because I love the

00:33:35.287 --> 00:33:37.346
horror aspect of this one.

00:33:38.208 --> 00:33:41.469
And who knows that we don't

00:33:41.489 --> 00:33:42.348
know what's out there.

00:33:42.548 --> 00:33:45.529
I just hope it ain't those.

00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:46.431
Hopefully when they come,

00:33:46.451 --> 00:33:47.310
they're a little bit more

00:33:47.371 --> 00:33:50.051
friendlier than what those guys were.

00:33:50.152 --> 00:33:53.192
Even then, they didn't hurt anybody else.

00:33:54.534 --> 00:33:56.134
It was just a particular

00:33:56.275 --> 00:33:57.855
type of human with a

00:33:57.895 --> 00:34:00.157
particular type of blood.

00:34:02.058 --> 00:34:03.140
That they are interested in, yeah.

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:04.440
That they are interested in.

00:34:04.460 --> 00:34:05.500
You didn't say what kind of

00:34:05.540 --> 00:34:06.741
blood or anything like that

00:34:06.761 --> 00:34:09.844
or what type of, you know, blood,

00:34:10.143 --> 00:34:11.485
whatever it was that these

00:34:11.525 --> 00:34:13.206
people had in them.

00:34:13.246 --> 00:34:14.527
But geez,

00:34:14.987 --> 00:34:18.389
like just imagine a horrifying

00:34:18.409 --> 00:34:19.730
looking alien sticking a

00:34:19.769 --> 00:34:21.831
straw in you and sipping it from the tap.

00:34:22.764 --> 00:34:24.405
That is scary as hell.

00:34:24.425 --> 00:34:25.025
That's it.

00:34:25.045 --> 00:34:26.146
That's nightmare stuff.

00:34:26.226 --> 00:34:28.166
Uh, yeah.

00:34:28.266 --> 00:34:29.867
And, and again, it's not, you know,

00:34:29.907 --> 00:34:31.487
like all the other stories, it's not,

00:34:31.786 --> 00:34:33.047
it's not really about the aliens.

00:34:33.088 --> 00:34:34.128
It's about that last,

00:34:34.847 --> 00:34:40.309
that last panel that kind of just, oh, um,

00:34:40.369 --> 00:34:43.791
yeah, it's, uh, I, I feel like, you know,

00:34:43.851 --> 00:34:44.851
if I had written that now,

00:34:44.911 --> 00:34:45.690
I probably would have made

00:34:45.731 --> 00:34:46.630
it a little bit different.

00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:47.351
I would have made it a

00:34:47.391 --> 00:34:48.371
little bit more obvious.

00:34:49.885 --> 00:34:51.286
uh because that last panel

00:34:51.327 --> 00:34:52.367
might kind of get lost in

00:34:52.387 --> 00:34:55.487
the page uh but you know it

00:34:55.527 --> 00:34:56.427
completely changes the

00:34:56.447 --> 00:34:58.007
meaning of the story and

00:34:59.548 --> 00:35:00.869
but yeah but until then

00:35:00.909 --> 00:35:04.309
it's like this horror thing

00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:06.269
of I know these creepy

00:35:06.309 --> 00:35:07.291
creatures kind of just

00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:10.532
drinking straight from your

00:35:10.572 --> 00:35:14.476
veins sort of and yeah and

00:35:14.697 --> 00:35:16.018
you know taking you to like

00:35:16.038 --> 00:35:19.440
this weird facilities with

00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:24.365
yeah yeah just the thing

00:35:24.565 --> 00:35:25.847
that nightmares are for

00:35:25.887 --> 00:35:27.389
with all these devices just

00:35:27.449 --> 00:35:28.449
made to kind of just get

00:35:28.489 --> 00:35:29.590
into your body it's it's

00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:35.632
yeah it's it's really cool

00:35:35.731 --> 00:35:38.132
and um yeah and I'm really

00:35:38.172 --> 00:35:39.373
happy that uh you know I

00:35:39.393 --> 00:35:41.713
got to do this with um uh

00:35:41.733 --> 00:35:43.375
with sam as well because he

00:35:43.414 --> 00:35:46.396
he has this style let's

00:35:46.416 --> 00:35:48.036
take a few minutes and tell

00:35:48.056 --> 00:35:48.976
us who else you worked with

00:35:49.056 --> 00:35:50.157
on this because we haven't

00:35:50.358 --> 00:35:51.458
gave the shout out to them

00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:52.998
properly yet so who are

00:35:53.018 --> 00:35:53.920
your artists on this one

00:35:54.019 --> 00:35:55.280
and who did like the the

00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:56.661
pencil and the color and

00:35:57.601 --> 00:35:58.902
and all that stuff the covers

00:35:59.981 --> 00:36:03.005
oh man there was so much so

00:36:03.045 --> 00:36:04.425
much really but yeah the

00:36:04.445 --> 00:36:06.847
first story was uh uh I'm

00:36:06.887 --> 00:36:07.809
going to butcher his name

00:36:07.849 --> 00:36:10.871
but uh also as yago uh so

00:36:10.891 --> 00:36:15.295
he's a nigerian artist he

00:36:15.534 --> 00:36:16.755
is amazing I mean if you

00:36:16.775 --> 00:36:17.717
look if you look at the

00:36:17.737 --> 00:36:19.518
first story coloring on

00:36:19.538 --> 00:36:22.139
that one in the like the

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.202
views from the um the ship itself

00:36:26.347 --> 00:36:29.329
amazing use of colors and

00:36:30.188 --> 00:36:31.449
realness behind it.

00:36:31.528 --> 00:36:32.469
You know what I'm saying?

00:36:33.048 --> 00:36:35.750
Like he did a fantastic job

00:36:35.809 --> 00:36:37.590
on that story and all of

00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:39.311
them really are really good.

00:36:39.710 --> 00:36:42.371
But that first one is so

00:36:42.510 --> 00:36:46.791
vibrant and like the views beyond,

00:36:47.652 --> 00:36:48.032
you know,

00:36:48.072 --> 00:36:49.952
the windows is what sold that

00:36:49.992 --> 00:36:51.472
story and made it so much

00:36:51.552 --> 00:36:54.594
more to be such a sad story.

00:36:56.056 --> 00:36:58.518
It's such a beautiful book, you know,

00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.001
from the terms of the art

00:37:00.041 --> 00:37:01.603
and the color and stuff like that.

00:37:02.994 --> 00:37:04.896
Yeah, and if you see,

00:37:05.217 --> 00:37:06.577
I've seen him actually,

00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:09.340
I've seen his process and it's really,

00:37:10.382 --> 00:37:11.922
it doesn't really do line art.

00:37:12.023 --> 00:37:13.023
It just starts with the

00:37:13.063 --> 00:37:14.585
colors and at the end you

00:37:14.606 --> 00:37:15.867
just have that thing and it's like,

00:37:16.067 --> 00:37:16.608
it's amazing.

00:37:16.628 --> 00:37:17.748
That's really dope, yeah.

00:37:18.268 --> 00:37:20.590
It's really, it looks like, you know,

00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.592
like those classic painters who just,

00:37:22.612 --> 00:37:24.695
you know, pick up a brush and start,

00:37:24.735 --> 00:37:25.074
you know,

00:37:25.735 --> 00:37:27.077
putting things and in the end

00:37:27.097 --> 00:37:28.177
you have a painting.

00:37:28.197 --> 00:37:28.619
Yeah.

00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:30.221
that's kind of what it does

00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:32.385
so it's it's amazing to to

00:37:32.425 --> 00:37:33.588
see a full comic with that

00:37:33.628 --> 00:37:36.614
art style so that's why

00:37:36.655 --> 00:37:38.518
really like the art on that

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:39.581
one phenomenal

00:37:40.306 --> 00:37:41.347
Yeah, so yeah,

00:37:41.367 --> 00:37:43.570
also did the art and the colors.

00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:46.692
Ferran Delgado did the letters.

00:37:46.851 --> 00:37:49.373
He worked a lot for Marvel and DC.

00:37:49.514 --> 00:37:50.835
He's great.

00:37:51.956 --> 00:37:52.335
I mean,

00:37:52.976 --> 00:37:54.898
I loved what he did with the

00:37:55.018 --> 00:37:56.659
lettering towards the end of the story,

00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:58.460
not wanting to give anything away,

00:37:58.481 --> 00:38:01.643
but just it's like, it's just so good.

00:38:01.882 --> 00:38:02.903
I know exactly what you're talking about,

00:38:03.344 --> 00:38:03.485
yeah.

00:38:04.025 --> 00:38:06.286
yeah it's just so good um

00:38:06.327 --> 00:38:08.849
yeah second story uh was um

00:38:08.889 --> 00:38:11.650
uh so uh refund has a

00:38:11.771 --> 00:38:13.411
studio uh so basically it

00:38:13.431 --> 00:38:14.733
was one of his artists he

00:38:14.753 --> 00:38:16.514
did the coloring okay and

00:38:16.795 --> 00:38:17.835
so yeah so it looks just

00:38:18.295 --> 00:38:20.398
fantastic uh it was

00:38:20.458 --> 00:38:21.918
lettered by uh rob jones

00:38:21.958 --> 00:38:23.099
which I had worked with

00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:25.322
before in another book in prey

00:38:26.463 --> 00:38:27.963
and it's also a fantastic

00:38:28.023 --> 00:38:32.208
letterer um who else uh

00:38:32.228 --> 00:38:34.068
yeah samuel vargas on uh

00:38:34.170 --> 00:38:36.251
parasites uh and it was

00:38:36.291 --> 00:38:37.932
lettered by matthew zanetti

00:38:37.952 --> 00:38:41.376
um and he also lettered uh

00:38:41.396 --> 00:38:44.259
infinite okay and uh our

00:38:44.278 --> 00:38:45.039
that would have really good

00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.641
lettering in it too like

00:38:46.661 --> 00:38:48.481
those two stories it's like

00:38:48.501 --> 00:38:50.244
the placements of it and

00:38:51.032 --> 00:38:51.731
Because to me,

00:38:52.472 --> 00:38:53.913
people don't think about it this way.

00:38:54.552 --> 00:38:56.434
Lettering and placement of

00:38:56.474 --> 00:38:58.034
the lettering within the

00:38:58.114 --> 00:39:00.675
story can make or break a book.

00:39:01.795 --> 00:39:05.858
If done properly, it's amazing.

00:39:06.018 --> 00:39:08.378
But you see some out there sometimes,

00:39:08.458 --> 00:39:10.159
even in mainstream stuff,

00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:12.300
where it feels like the

00:39:12.380 --> 00:39:14.882
lettering takes away from

00:39:14.922 --> 00:39:16.302
the story that's being told

00:39:16.342 --> 00:39:17.623
because of the placement.

00:39:18.532 --> 00:39:19.494
yeah are they trying to put

00:39:19.634 --> 00:39:23.155
too much in one panel or

00:39:23.295 --> 00:39:28.981
one page the pacing is the

00:39:29.041 --> 00:39:30.101
lettering is essential for

00:39:30.141 --> 00:39:32.242
pacing really yeah I think

00:39:32.302 --> 00:39:34.585
pacing is a I don't know I

00:39:34.605 --> 00:39:36.045
feel like unfortunately in

00:39:36.106 --> 00:39:37.746
comics you don't see a lot of

00:39:41.208 --> 00:39:42.130
mean I'm not claiming to do

00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:43.490
it better than anyone uh

00:39:44.331 --> 00:39:45.211
probably a lot of people

00:39:45.251 --> 00:39:46.413
are going to disagree with

00:39:46.432 --> 00:39:47.673
me on this but a lot of

00:39:48.273 --> 00:39:50.496
comics seem to have lost

00:39:50.536 --> 00:39:52.356
the you know art of pacing

00:39:52.456 --> 00:39:55.039
of pacing properly a book

00:39:56.059 --> 00:39:57.400
and you know there are some

00:39:57.601 --> 00:39:59.222
amazing you know writers

00:39:59.282 --> 00:40:00.503
letters artists out there

00:40:00.523 --> 00:40:01.623
who are really really good

00:40:01.643 --> 00:40:03.164
with it but there's also a lot of

00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:05.351
know books that is just like

00:40:05.451 --> 00:40:07.411
oh just dump you know a

00:40:07.472 --> 00:40:08.972
million words into a panel

00:40:09.092 --> 00:40:10.371
and I'd rather they they

00:40:10.411 --> 00:40:11.773
give two or three more

00:40:11.833 --> 00:40:15.193
pages inside the book than

00:40:15.373 --> 00:40:18.733
just splurge a whole bunch

00:40:18.753 --> 00:40:20.273
of words on paper you know

00:40:20.293 --> 00:40:22.534
what I'm saying yeah yeah

00:40:22.635 --> 00:40:24.735
is it cost effective to

00:40:24.775 --> 00:40:27.675
dump it on one page yes but

00:40:27.976 --> 00:40:29.396
it it takes away from the

00:40:29.456 --> 00:40:30.635
story that's trying to be

00:40:30.695 --> 00:40:33.577
told by the artist or the writer

00:40:35.021 --> 00:40:35.449
Or by...

00:40:37.795 --> 00:40:38.637
I'll go further away,

00:40:38.677 --> 00:40:40.038
and I'll say that in some cases,

00:40:40.057 --> 00:40:41.338
that's actually the right decision,

00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:41.778
right?

00:40:41.838 --> 00:40:42.679
In some cases,

00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.422
you do want to... So in one

00:40:46.463 --> 00:40:48.704
of the books that I'm working on,

00:40:49.664 --> 00:40:50.226
Flame Vault,

00:40:50.326 --> 00:40:51.266
I have a page that's

00:40:51.385 --> 00:40:55.268
literally a black page with a ton of text,

00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:57.271
like a ton of text.

00:40:57.311 --> 00:40:58.592
But for that story,

00:40:58.672 --> 00:40:59.913
it makes sense in that

00:40:59.952 --> 00:41:01.693
panel to have all of that.

00:41:02.434 --> 00:41:05.317
I think it really is about the pacing.

00:41:06.038 --> 00:41:06.818
It's, you know...

00:41:08.246 --> 00:41:09.507
yeah I think that in some

00:41:09.547 --> 00:41:11.568
cases it makes sense most

00:41:11.648 --> 00:41:13.791
times probably it should be

00:41:13.831 --> 00:41:14.831
two or three pages yeah

00:41:14.891 --> 00:41:19.896
like you say yeah yeah and

00:41:19.916 --> 00:41:21.556
and like I said it it all

00:41:21.597 --> 00:41:22.998
depends on the story being

00:41:23.038 --> 00:41:25.780
told and the art that's

00:41:25.981 --> 00:41:30.523
accompanying it so but I

00:41:30.543 --> 00:41:32.746
thought those were done

00:41:32.826 --> 00:41:34.347
brilliantly just because of

00:41:34.367 --> 00:41:35.527
the way they were done

00:41:36.385 --> 00:41:37.405
It's not too much.

00:41:37.445 --> 00:41:38.425
It's not too little.

00:41:38.485 --> 00:41:39.847
The wording is in the right

00:41:39.927 --> 00:41:42.068
spot for the panel.

00:41:43.188 --> 00:41:46.110
It was done great.

00:41:46.449 --> 00:41:49.431
And a great letter is they know.

00:41:50.492 --> 00:41:51.672
They know how to do that.

00:41:51.693 --> 00:41:54.253
Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:54.434 --> 00:41:55.715
I'm really happy that all

00:41:55.755 --> 00:41:57.416
the letters that I worked with,

00:41:57.496 --> 00:41:58.936
they are fantastic.

00:41:59.195 --> 00:42:00.197
And those guys don't get

00:42:00.237 --> 00:42:02.177
enough love that they deserve.

00:42:03.172 --> 00:42:03.552
No.

00:42:04.853 --> 00:42:06.494
And I'm guilty of this.

00:42:06.855 --> 00:42:07.974
I am guilty of it a hundred

00:42:07.994 --> 00:42:08.775
percent when I'm,

00:42:09.396 --> 00:42:10.317
when I'm posting up my

00:42:10.356 --> 00:42:11.717
comments of the week and my

00:42:11.777 --> 00:42:12.538
recommendations,

00:42:12.818 --> 00:42:14.219
I give props to the artist

00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.039
and the writer.

00:42:15.619 --> 00:42:17.222
I give props to the interior,

00:42:17.882 --> 00:42:19.402
but I never give props to

00:42:19.463 --> 00:42:21.463
the letter or the penciler.

00:42:21.905 --> 00:42:23.246
And I don't do that intentionally.

00:42:23.326 --> 00:42:23.626
It's just,

00:42:23.925 --> 00:42:25.987
there's not a lot of room on

00:42:26.047 --> 00:42:26.748
social media.

00:42:27.148 --> 00:42:28.128
Like you have to pick and

00:42:28.168 --> 00:42:29.088
choose your battles.

00:42:29.570 --> 00:42:32.632
So for me, like what I've decided is,

00:42:33.172 --> 00:42:35.012
I keep it basic now.

00:42:35.413 --> 00:42:38.375
I give you the publisher, the writer,

00:42:39.175 --> 00:42:41.556
the issue, the artist.

00:42:43.637 --> 00:42:44.958
I'm seeing a lot more of the

00:42:45.237 --> 00:42:46.398
cover artists and the

00:42:46.478 --> 00:42:47.519
interior artists are

00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:48.500
usually wanting the same

00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:49.440
with some companies.

00:42:52.581 --> 00:42:53.862
I'm not leaving out the

00:42:53.983 --> 00:42:55.264
letter or the penciler and

00:42:55.304 --> 00:42:56.643
stuff like that on purpose.

00:42:57.985 --> 00:42:58.786
I'm just trying to keep it

00:42:58.826 --> 00:43:01.126
as simple as possible for myself because

00:43:02.130 --> 00:43:03.550
I only get twenty-four hours a day,

00:43:03.590 --> 00:43:04.391
and I would like to get

00:43:04.471 --> 00:43:05.451
eight hours of sleep within

00:43:05.490 --> 00:43:07.711
those twenty-four hours.

00:43:07.731 --> 00:43:09.432
Imagine that, wanting to rest.

00:43:11.914 --> 00:43:13.355
So, sorry, just to complete,

00:43:13.375 --> 00:43:16.436
because I didn't give... Yeah, go ahead,

00:43:16.456 --> 00:43:16.775
sorry.

00:43:17.135 --> 00:43:19.597
There's always Erwin,

00:43:19.757 --> 00:43:21.157
and I'm probably butchering his name,

00:43:21.597 --> 00:43:23.217
Erwin J. Rose in The Art of

00:43:23.237 --> 00:43:23.938
the Last Story.

00:43:25.735 --> 00:43:28.617
which I haven't mentioned either.

00:43:28.697 --> 00:43:30.559
And, yeah, I mean, it's what you see.

00:43:30.579 --> 00:43:31.059
He's amazing.

00:43:31.099 --> 00:43:32.601
His art style is fantastic.

00:43:34.983 --> 00:43:36.523
Yeah, he also did one of the covers.

00:43:36.903 --> 00:43:40.286
And, yeah, then the covers, yeah.

00:43:40.306 --> 00:43:41.628
So those two covers that you

00:43:41.708 --> 00:43:45.811
sent me were absolutely phenomenal.

00:43:46.112 --> 00:43:47.293
I used both of them when I

00:43:47.313 --> 00:43:51.115
was doing the advertising for this show.

00:43:51.715 --> 00:43:52.757
And even the thumbnail that

00:43:52.777 --> 00:43:54.497
you'll see for –

00:43:55.911 --> 00:43:57.012
The thumbnail that I used to

00:43:57.072 --> 00:43:58.193
advertise this show today

00:43:58.213 --> 00:43:59.094
before we went live,

00:43:59.155 --> 00:44:00.956
I just did the top portion

00:44:01.476 --> 00:44:03.239
with the cinematic figments.

00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:05.880
But the use of the colors

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:07.302
with it and the way the

00:44:07.362 --> 00:44:08.742
title is and everything,

00:44:08.762 --> 00:44:11.005
I thought were phenomenal.

00:44:11.065 --> 00:44:12.706
I don't know if you can, on the one cover,

00:44:12.786 --> 00:44:13.847
are you going to leave it

00:44:13.867 --> 00:44:15.449
that way with no title on it,

00:44:15.489 --> 00:44:16.550
like a virgin copy?

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Or are you going to have the

00:44:17.771 --> 00:44:19.172
cinematic figments on there?

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Going to have it.

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So I already asked.

00:44:23.811 --> 00:44:26.891
So the first cover was

00:44:26.972 --> 00:44:28.193
Lyndon White who did it and

00:44:28.233 --> 00:44:29.072
he did the logo.

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And I just asked him to kind

00:44:30.833 --> 00:44:32.572
of just place the logo and

00:44:32.652 --> 00:44:35.014
adjust for the other covers.

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Because I thought on the

00:44:37.173 --> 00:44:39.235
second cover that you sent me,

00:44:39.275 --> 00:44:40.934
that one was pristine.

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If you just had that as a

00:44:42.474 --> 00:44:44.815
Virgin exclusive would be...

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an absolute banger because I

00:44:48.996 --> 00:44:50.215
absolutely love that cover

00:44:50.235 --> 00:44:52.036
without the title on it but

00:44:52.076 --> 00:44:53.516
that's just my opinion and

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I love virgin covers like

00:44:55.677 --> 00:44:57.677
that where you just have

00:44:57.797 --> 00:45:00.818
the art of the cover that's

00:45:00.938 --> 00:45:01.978
probably not a bad idea

00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.179
actually I get one every

00:45:04.219 --> 00:45:05.739
now and then I I just

00:45:05.798 --> 00:45:07.320
really enjoyed that cover it was

00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:10.592
Everybody has seen it.

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It's a beautifully done cover.

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Shout out to the artists on that one.

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You could have both,

00:45:16.757 --> 00:45:18.018
but that one without that

00:45:18.077 --> 00:45:20.219
title on it and just that

00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.240
art and the colors,

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I thought was phenomenal.

00:45:25.384 --> 00:45:27.465
Yeah, so the artist was Max Bertolini.

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Yeah, it's fantastic.

00:45:30.266 --> 00:45:33.070
That cover is... Yeah, I mean...

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Working in an anthology is

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really messed up to give

00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:39.389
credits to everyone or to

00:45:39.449 --> 00:45:40.530
talk about everyone because

00:45:40.550 --> 00:45:41.690
there's so many people.

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But, yeah, I mean,

00:45:44.331 --> 00:45:46.851
it's really hard not to because, yeah,

00:45:46.931 --> 00:45:47.492
everybody did.

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I mean, the covers, they are all gorgeous.

00:45:49.472 --> 00:45:53.072
I mean, Lyndon's cover is gorgeous.

00:45:53.112 --> 00:45:54.994
You know, Max's cover is gorgeous.

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And they're very fitting for

00:45:56.934 --> 00:45:58.855
each book that they represent.

00:45:59.717 --> 00:46:02.139
but yeah I'm a fan of virgin

00:46:02.818 --> 00:46:04.820
comic books like that and I

00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:05.860
was like wow if he's doing

00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.340
this as a virgin right on

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because that's freaking

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perfect I might yeah that's

00:46:12.601 --> 00:46:14.262
kind of a good idea I might

00:46:14.302 --> 00:46:17.023
do that like I said I get

00:46:17.103 --> 00:46:21.025
one every now and then thank you um

00:46:23.958 --> 00:46:25.460
So we know your creative process.

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You're kind of like all over

00:46:26.541 --> 00:46:27.601
the place with it.

00:46:27.641 --> 00:46:28.722
You just get ideas and

00:46:28.802 --> 00:46:30.643
inspirations from everywhere.

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So we're not going to dive

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into that again.

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Let's see.

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Okay.

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This is a must.

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So we're talking about your

00:46:40.329 --> 00:46:41.170
new Kickstarter.

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What rewards are you going

00:46:45.072 --> 00:46:48.275
to have this time with this Kickstarter?

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Right.

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So I'm trying something new

00:46:51.795 --> 00:46:53.815
here and going really simple,

00:46:54.974 --> 00:46:57.376
which is you can get books.

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Imagine that.

00:47:00.056 --> 00:47:01.137
Kickstarter about comic

00:47:01.177 --> 00:47:02.657
books where you can get books.

00:47:03.157 --> 00:47:03.657
Hey, yeah.

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I mean, I see somewhere so much

00:47:08.208 --> 00:47:10.068
stuff and they have so

00:47:10.088 --> 00:47:11.030
they've they've gone out

00:47:11.050 --> 00:47:12.471
they've already spent ten

00:47:12.610 --> 00:47:14.992
fifteen twenty grand have

00:47:15.152 --> 00:47:17.034
artists do multiple covers

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or here's the cover here's

00:47:19.255 --> 00:47:20.556
the virgin cover here's the

00:47:20.597 --> 00:47:21.978
cover here's a virgin cover

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and they'll have like fifty

00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:29.324
covers ready to go and it's like jesus

00:47:30.528 --> 00:47:33.570
pick up like you're overdoing it.

00:47:33.731 --> 00:47:35.612
And like their Kickstarter to support it.

00:47:36.172 --> 00:47:37.753
Like if you want it, all their covers,

00:47:37.914 --> 00:47:40.675
it's like a grand, like,

00:47:40.695 --> 00:47:41.777
there's just no way.

00:47:41.797 --> 00:47:43.257
I'm like,

00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:44.998
there's some poor soul out there

00:47:45.018 --> 00:47:46.119
that is in love with all

00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:47.740
these covers and he wants some,

00:47:48.802 --> 00:47:49.643
and he's going to find a

00:47:49.663 --> 00:47:51.523
way to get that five grand to get them.

00:47:52.824 --> 00:47:53.585
And I'm like,

00:47:54.146 --> 00:47:55.766
you got to pick and choose here.

00:47:55.827 --> 00:47:59.389
Like when I, like when your last one,

00:48:00.543 --> 00:48:01.543
you had two other stories

00:48:01.563 --> 00:48:02.905
that you could get along

00:48:02.945 --> 00:48:03.864
with it and I really

00:48:03.905 --> 00:48:06.286
enjoyed those two stories

00:48:06.306 --> 00:48:07.326
like I really wanted to

00:48:07.405 --> 00:48:09.387
read them and so I'm like

00:48:09.606 --> 00:48:11.547
and it was reasonably

00:48:11.608 --> 00:48:13.568
priced it's not a forty

00:48:13.588 --> 00:48:14.909
dollar cover or a fifty

00:48:14.929 --> 00:48:16.909
dollar cover which there's

00:48:17.050 --> 00:48:18.130
kit starters out there with

00:48:18.309 --> 00:48:19.570
hundred dollar covers two

00:48:19.590 --> 00:48:20.690
hundred dollar covers and

00:48:20.731 --> 00:48:23.371
I'm like you're you are on something

00:48:24.349 --> 00:48:25.670
like you are really reaching

00:48:25.690 --> 00:48:26.650
for the stars with that

00:48:26.690 --> 00:48:28.369
kind of stuff but you are

00:48:28.409 --> 00:48:30.231
not like that you you do

00:48:30.391 --> 00:48:33.532
keep it minimalist which I

00:48:33.572 --> 00:48:35.273
appreciate and you're not

00:48:35.313 --> 00:48:38.193
trying to rob people well

00:48:38.233 --> 00:48:39.333
to be fair I mean a lot of

00:48:39.393 --> 00:48:40.494
people doing those you know

00:48:40.554 --> 00:48:41.534
hundred dollar covers

00:48:42.764 --> 00:48:43.806
people to go for them

00:48:43.846 --> 00:48:44.847
because they end up kind of

00:48:44.887 --> 00:48:46.527
making a lot of, you know, five,

00:48:46.568 --> 00:48:48.710
six figures sometimes.

00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:51.952
So who am I to criticize that?

00:48:51.992 --> 00:48:54.673
Because it's clearly working for them.

00:48:54.893 --> 00:48:57.255
There's no creditization there.

00:48:57.916 --> 00:49:01.039
It's just one of those where I get it.

00:49:01.398 --> 00:49:05.282
I get what you're trying to do from it.

00:49:05.322 --> 00:49:08.284
But twenty to thirty covers is... Yeah,

00:49:08.344 --> 00:49:08.925
it's too much.

00:49:09.365 --> 00:49:10.686
It was an overkill at ten.

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You know?

00:49:13.313 --> 00:49:14.235
Yeah, with this one,

00:49:14.795 --> 00:49:15.795
so I've been doing three

00:49:15.835 --> 00:49:17.177
covers for every book.

00:49:17.416 --> 00:49:18.557
So for this campaign,

00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:22.641
what I decided was because, you know,

00:49:22.782 --> 00:49:24.802
a lot of people, yourself included,

00:49:24.864 --> 00:49:26.204
kind of just went, and thank you,

00:49:26.224 --> 00:49:27.846
by the way, went for the bundle.

00:49:28.507 --> 00:49:29.206
Yep.

00:49:29.487 --> 00:49:30.088
Like I said,

00:49:30.728 --> 00:49:34.210
you're getting a deal within a bundle.

00:49:34.391 --> 00:49:36.612
And, you know, we talked about it.

00:49:36.972 --> 00:49:37.594
We kind of like.

00:49:38.028 --> 00:49:39.068
peaked it right in

00:49:39.170 --> 00:49:40.929
underneath the uh the

00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:42.490
maximum there so good for

00:49:42.650 --> 00:49:44.331
us it was so close to the

00:49:44.351 --> 00:49:48.994
maximum so close but yeah

00:49:49.014 --> 00:49:50.775
but uh I think because uh

00:49:50.795 --> 00:49:51.815
it worked out really well

00:49:52.014 --> 00:49:53.655
on the previous one that uh

00:49:54.836 --> 00:49:57.097
oh did you freeze no no no

00:49:57.117 --> 00:49:58.657
okay I'm sorry I was

00:50:00.018 --> 00:50:01.300
checking out my daughter

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:03.621
message no worries do your

00:50:03.641 --> 00:50:05.260
thing if you have to no no

00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:06.302
no you're good keep going

00:50:07.568 --> 00:50:09.389
uh I apologize no no don't

00:50:09.449 --> 00:50:10.469
worry don't worry I touched

00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:12.230
something and uh so yeah uh

00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:13.971
because uh people went for

00:50:14.030 --> 00:50:15.190
deals quite a lot on the

00:50:15.231 --> 00:50:16.050
previous campaign I said

00:50:16.311 --> 00:50:17.592
you know what I'm gonna do

00:50:17.612 --> 00:50:22.733
the same so because I um

00:50:22.753 --> 00:50:23.992
because I had pretty much

00:50:24.032 --> 00:50:25.012
enough stories for two

00:50:25.032 --> 00:50:26.554
books I'm going to release

00:50:26.594 --> 00:50:28.173
issues one and two at the

00:50:28.213 --> 00:50:29.974
same time which basically

00:50:29.994 --> 00:50:31.755
allows people to get two books

00:50:32.534 --> 00:50:34.356
for the shipping of it's not

00:50:34.396 --> 00:50:35.398
really the shipping of one

00:50:35.458 --> 00:50:36.639
but it gets cheaper than

00:50:36.759 --> 00:50:38.059
you know yeah I mean both

00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:40.402
separately so yeah people

00:50:40.422 --> 00:50:42.364
can get issue one they can

00:50:42.403 --> 00:50:43.826
get issue two they can get

00:50:43.945 --> 00:50:45.067
a bundle with both of them

00:50:45.847 --> 00:50:47.708
each of them has a variant

00:50:47.750 --> 00:50:48.811
cover so you have the main

00:50:48.831 --> 00:50:50.831
cover and the variant so in

00:50:50.871 --> 00:50:52.954
total you have four covers

00:50:53.614 --> 00:50:55.317
for two books if you want

00:50:55.936 --> 00:50:57.739
You can get them all.

00:50:57.798 --> 00:50:58.119
Basically,

00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.282
the rewards are combinations of

00:51:00.362 --> 00:51:01.242
those four covers.

00:51:02.164 --> 00:51:02.423
To me,

00:51:02.483 --> 00:51:04.985
simple is always better when it

00:51:05.027 --> 00:51:07.228
comes to that kind of stuff.

00:51:07.289 --> 00:51:08.309
You're getting your bang for

00:51:08.349 --> 00:51:09.331
your buck at that point.

00:51:10.413 --> 00:51:10.713
Yeah,

00:51:10.793 --> 00:51:12.474
and I noticed that I was overdoing it

00:51:12.534 --> 00:51:14.757
because with my previous campaign,

00:51:14.797 --> 00:51:15.378
Bereavement,

00:51:15.438 --> 00:51:16.978
I was planning to take maybe

00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.400
a full day for me to create

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:19.981
the graphics for the rewards.

00:51:20.362 --> 00:51:21.003
Took me like a week.

00:51:21.023 --> 00:51:23.365
Took me a week to set it up.

00:51:24.447 --> 00:51:25.507
And most people don't seem

00:51:25.527 --> 00:51:26.728
to actually care about, you know,

00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:29.231
bookmarks and stuff like

00:51:29.251 --> 00:51:30.931
that you know yeah I do

00:51:30.972 --> 00:51:32.092
like a good bookmark but

00:51:32.353 --> 00:51:33.153
most people don't care

00:51:33.173 --> 00:51:34.275
about bookmarks you know

00:51:34.295 --> 00:51:35.476
prints and stuff like that

00:51:36.016 --> 00:51:36.797
and I was like you know

00:51:36.817 --> 00:51:37.878
what I'm just gonna go

00:51:37.918 --> 00:51:39.278
simple try something really

00:51:39.318 --> 00:51:41.940
simple just the books uh so

00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:42.740
yeah that's what I'm doing

00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:44.442
with this campaign uh you

00:51:44.481 --> 00:51:45.742
have that's my favorite

00:51:45.762 --> 00:51:47.244
bookmark right there it was

00:51:47.264 --> 00:51:48.846
a freebie from vanessa lily

00:51:49.815 --> 00:51:51.056
And her new book that just come out,

00:51:51.096 --> 00:51:51.797
Blood Sisters.

00:51:52.556 --> 00:51:52.896
So cool.

00:51:52.916 --> 00:51:53.338
I like it.

00:51:53.538 --> 00:51:54.759
It's got the little beads on it.

00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.119
She is a Native American writer.

00:51:57.661 --> 00:51:59.041
So this was really cool.

00:51:59.342 --> 00:52:00.663
And she sent this to me when

00:52:00.762 --> 00:52:03.684
I won a book from her live

00:52:03.764 --> 00:52:05.467
stream a few months back.

00:52:06.242 --> 00:52:07.322
where she had a sit down

00:52:07.342 --> 00:52:10.344
with Alex Segura in his new book,

00:52:10.403 --> 00:52:11.324
Alter Ego.

00:52:11.903 --> 00:52:13.804
So I ended up winning Alter Ego.

00:52:14.744 --> 00:52:15.605
And then she hits me up.

00:52:15.625 --> 00:52:16.224
It's like, hey,

00:52:16.284 --> 00:52:18.025
I have a copy of his other

00:52:18.085 --> 00:52:19.846
book that goes with this

00:52:19.925 --> 00:52:20.686
one if you want it.

00:52:21.286 --> 00:52:21.867
She's like, you know what?

00:52:21.907 --> 00:52:22.387
It don't matter.

00:52:22.447 --> 00:52:23.286
You're getting it anyway.

00:52:23.847 --> 00:52:24.847
So she sent me both his

00:52:24.907 --> 00:52:26.847
books and the bookmark,

00:52:26.867 --> 00:52:27.807
which was really dope.

00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.201
Both books were phenomenal,

00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:32.940
and I was already reading

00:52:33.940 --> 00:52:35.981
some of Alex Segura's comic book work,

00:52:36.001 --> 00:52:37.442
because he also does comic books,

00:52:37.521 --> 00:52:38.981
where I knew him from the beginning.

00:52:39.021 --> 00:52:41.862
I didn't realize he wrote books as well.

00:52:43.384 --> 00:52:44.643
So that's kind of like how I

00:52:44.704 --> 00:52:46.083
ended up with those books.

00:52:46.744 --> 00:52:48.144
Both of them phenomenal reads.

00:52:48.465 --> 00:52:50.125
I do plan on picking up that book,

00:52:50.164 --> 00:52:51.204
Blood Sisters Call Us.

00:52:51.565 --> 00:52:53.126
I just dropped another one, too.

00:52:54.838 --> 00:52:56.599
that's inspired by her

00:52:56.641 --> 00:52:58.143
heritage and Native American.

00:52:58.864 --> 00:53:01.126
So, but I just,

00:53:01.246 --> 00:53:02.728
that's a really cool bookmark to me.

00:53:04.059 --> 00:53:05.221
it's her bookmark it's got

00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:06.302
her own little personal

00:53:06.362 --> 00:53:07.682
touch on it that she does

00:53:08.143 --> 00:53:09.364
so that's that's special to

00:53:09.403 --> 00:53:10.525
me I do like a good

00:53:10.565 --> 00:53:12.567
bookmark especially when it

00:53:12.606 --> 00:53:13.567
means something from the

00:53:13.626 --> 00:53:14.768
person that gave it to you

00:53:14.807 --> 00:53:15.829
you know what I'm saying

00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:18.550
yeah yeah no no I I totally

00:53:18.590 --> 00:53:19.371
do yeah and that's the

00:53:19.411 --> 00:53:20.452
thing I mean I do like to

00:53:20.492 --> 00:53:22.833
have some things you know I

00:53:22.853 --> 00:53:23.414
don't want to call it

00:53:23.474 --> 00:53:24.434
merchandise but it's kind

00:53:24.454 --> 00:53:25.596
of what it is but it's you

00:53:25.615 --> 00:53:27.297
know something that people actually use

00:53:27.978 --> 00:53:29.639
uh but yeah I think this

00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:30.958
time is like I have so much

00:53:31.018 --> 00:53:33.059
crap you know I have a

00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.101
tower of piles of boxes of

00:53:35.581 --> 00:53:37.581
uh stuff that I'm like you

00:53:37.601 --> 00:53:38.541
know what I'm just gonna go

00:53:38.581 --> 00:53:40.121
simple just the books yeah

00:53:40.161 --> 00:53:41.262
let's see let's see what

00:53:41.302 --> 00:53:42.463
happens because I mean you

00:53:42.483 --> 00:53:43.382
do get to a point where

00:53:43.603 --> 00:53:44.523
you're taking this stuff to

00:53:44.563 --> 00:53:46.304
cons and just giving it to

00:53:46.324 --> 00:53:48.445
people yeah I've seen

00:53:48.565 --> 00:53:50.286
people do that you know where

00:53:51.547 --> 00:53:53.507
A friend of mine who does comic books,

00:53:54.329 --> 00:53:55.028
Drew Moss,

00:53:55.590 --> 00:53:58.271
they get stats of books that

00:53:58.291 --> 00:53:59.952
they do from the publisher.

00:54:00.952 --> 00:54:02.253
And he's just like, hey,

00:54:02.273 --> 00:54:03.034
you have this book?

00:54:03.074 --> 00:54:04.014
Hey, you have this book?

00:54:04.574 --> 00:54:05.295
Like, no, dude.

00:54:05.456 --> 00:54:06.275
I wasn't collecting when

00:54:06.295 --> 00:54:06.996
that book come out.

00:54:07.016 --> 00:54:08.318
He's like, well, here's the hardback.

00:54:08.398 --> 00:54:09.757
And he signs it for me.

00:54:09.777 --> 00:54:10.458
He's like, here you go.

00:54:10.998 --> 00:54:12.039
It was like his very first

00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:13.121
book that he did.

00:54:13.161 --> 00:54:14.380
But he's just trying to get

00:54:14.681 --> 00:54:15.661
stuff out of his house.

00:54:17.043 --> 00:54:18.443
So I was thankful for it.

00:54:18.523 --> 00:54:19.425
I thought it was really cool.

00:54:20.438 --> 00:54:21.898
but it was like all of a

00:54:21.938 --> 00:54:22.677
sudden now I'm like,

00:54:22.737 --> 00:54:24.478
I got a handful of stuff

00:54:24.978 --> 00:54:25.978
that I have to carry around

00:54:26.018 --> 00:54:27.298
the rest of this, this con.

00:54:27.358 --> 00:54:27.458
Yeah.

00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:29.880
Which I appreciate.

00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:31.380
I will never take that for

00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:32.300
granted because it was

00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:33.701
really cool of him to give me.

00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:36.780
And, um, but yeah,

00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:37.481
that was one of those

00:54:37.501 --> 00:54:39.541
things where he's just like, here, dude,

00:54:40.222 --> 00:54:42.382
I'm like, you could have gave us,

00:54:42.422 --> 00:54:43.983
cause he just lives up the road from me.

00:54:44.603 --> 00:54:45.543
Like you could, like,

00:54:45.563 --> 00:54:46.643
we could have just like,

00:54:46.782 --> 00:54:47.704
whatever this works,

00:54:47.884 --> 00:54:48.824
I'll carry it around.

00:54:48.884 --> 00:54:49.384
I don't care.

00:54:50.554 --> 00:54:51.356
I got free stuff.

00:54:52.157 --> 00:54:53.519
Can't complain about free stuff.

00:54:55.054 --> 00:54:56.936
exactly um but yeah uh

00:54:58.077 --> 00:54:59.137
that's it I I don't want to

00:54:59.157 --> 00:55:00.298
be in that position to you

00:55:00.338 --> 00:55:03.541
know uh be you know dumping

00:55:03.581 --> 00:55:05.483
stuff on people yeah

00:55:05.682 --> 00:55:07.224
because I want to free

00:55:07.764 --> 00:55:09.865
space on my house and um

00:55:09.905 --> 00:55:10.865
but yeah that's the thing I

00:55:10.885 --> 00:55:11.947
mean people seem to care

00:55:11.967 --> 00:55:12.947
more about the books that's

00:55:12.967 --> 00:55:13.907
what I love with

00:55:13.927 --> 00:55:16.230
Kickstarters and you know

00:55:16.349 --> 00:55:17.190
that's what I like to do

00:55:17.271 --> 00:55:19.371
anyway I'm not in I'm not

00:55:19.411 --> 00:55:20.932
in the business of making

00:55:21.012 --> 00:55:21.914
bookmarks I'm in the

00:55:21.954 --> 00:55:24.235
business of you know telling stories

00:55:24.735 --> 00:55:26.835
Will you be offering signed

00:55:26.876 --> 00:55:28.677
copies on this one?

00:55:28.797 --> 00:55:30.637
Yeah, all the books are signed.

00:55:30.697 --> 00:55:32.476
That's by default.

00:55:32.516 --> 00:55:34.597
That's free.

00:55:36.398 --> 00:55:37.418
I'm not going to charge an

00:55:37.458 --> 00:55:38.557
extra two pounds for a

00:55:39.077 --> 00:55:41.179
signature just sometimes.

00:55:41.818 --> 00:55:41.898
Dude,

00:55:43.298 --> 00:55:44.918
a lot of Comic-Cons that I've been

00:55:44.958 --> 00:55:46.960
going to, some of these signatures,

00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:47.960
granted,

00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:49.480
they do it because there's

00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:51.641
resellers out there trying

00:55:51.661 --> 00:55:53.541
to make a buck off a signature.

00:55:54.630 --> 00:55:55.952
So I've seen people where

00:55:55.992 --> 00:55:57.472
it's like fifty bucks after

00:55:57.512 --> 00:55:58.934
the first one because they

00:55:58.954 --> 00:56:00.074
know you're trying to resell.

00:56:00.735 --> 00:56:01.076
Yeah.

00:56:01.135 --> 00:56:03.217
Which I appreciate on doing

00:56:03.237 --> 00:56:04.458
that because that makes

00:56:04.478 --> 00:56:05.980
their signature more valuable.

00:56:07.380 --> 00:56:08.422
mean if you're if you're

00:56:08.561 --> 00:56:10.503
someone who's you know who

00:56:10.543 --> 00:56:11.563
has a name that people

00:56:11.623 --> 00:56:12.744
actually might want to you

00:56:12.764 --> 00:56:14.487
know buy the signature fair

00:56:14.547 --> 00:56:16.007
I mean but yeah I'm not

00:56:16.047 --> 00:56:18.309
there yet I mean never get

00:56:18.329 --> 00:56:20.652
there so you know you get

00:56:20.692 --> 00:56:22.492
it for free yeah so you

00:56:22.512 --> 00:56:23.474
know it's funny because we

00:56:23.494 --> 00:56:24.554
got this comic con coming

00:56:24.574 --> 00:56:25.375
up here that me and my

00:56:25.394 --> 00:56:26.635
daughter will be going to

00:56:27.097 --> 00:56:27.896
and I was looking at the

00:56:27.936 --> 00:56:30.219
guest so originally alyssa

00:56:30.259 --> 00:56:31.420
wong was going to be there

00:56:31.460 --> 00:56:32.641
who's writing psylocke

00:56:32.681 --> 00:56:34.902
right now and I was and she

00:56:34.922 --> 00:56:36.143
cancelled which was fine

00:56:36.909 --> 00:56:38.690
But then I was like, okay, well,

00:56:39.170 --> 00:56:40.391
she's not going to be there anymore.

00:56:40.451 --> 00:56:41.271
Who else is going to be

00:56:41.291 --> 00:56:42.552
there that I'm interested in?

00:56:43.152 --> 00:56:45.014
And Vanessa Del Rey is going to be there.

00:56:45.635 --> 00:56:48.197
And Tula Latoy is going to be there,

00:56:48.237 --> 00:56:50.478
which is two other female

00:56:50.518 --> 00:56:51.838
comic book artists and

00:56:51.878 --> 00:56:52.980
writers that are going to

00:56:53.019 --> 00:56:56.302
be there that I'm like, dope.

00:56:56.842 --> 00:56:58.222
I'm getting those signatures

00:56:58.242 --> 00:57:00.244
for my personal collection for me.

00:57:01.445 --> 00:57:03.987
Because even the cons now

00:57:04.106 --> 00:57:06.389
force the artist to charge.

00:57:07.255 --> 00:57:09.436
And they take the bulk of

00:57:09.456 --> 00:57:10.838
that money that they would make,

00:57:10.898 --> 00:57:13.599
which I think is completely fucked up.

00:57:14.259 --> 00:57:14.478
Yeah.

00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.521
I mean, yeah, first signature free,

00:57:17.581 --> 00:57:18.340
anything after that.

00:57:18.380 --> 00:57:19.262
So if their signature is

00:57:19.342 --> 00:57:20.621
five bucks or ten bucks,

00:57:22.063 --> 00:57:26.844
the convention has taken a cut of that.

00:57:26.905 --> 00:57:27.445
And oh, by the way,

00:57:27.485 --> 00:57:29.146
they've already had to pay

00:57:30.067 --> 00:57:30.806
to have a booth.

00:57:32.628 --> 00:57:34.289
well it depends I guess I

00:57:34.329 --> 00:57:36.251
think some would be invited

00:57:36.313 --> 00:57:37.134
and the big names well I

00:57:37.153 --> 00:57:38.514
mean these these they were

00:57:38.554 --> 00:57:39.617
probably invited so they

00:57:39.637 --> 00:57:41.038
were probably given a table

00:57:41.778 --> 00:57:43.641
but at the same time I

00:57:43.681 --> 00:57:45.983
think it's not right for

00:57:46.003 --> 00:57:47.226
the anybody to take

00:57:48.492 --> 00:57:49.994
cut of their profit from

00:57:50.074 --> 00:57:51.253
their name you know what

00:57:51.273 --> 00:57:53.155
I'm saying yeah yeah it's

00:57:53.335 --> 00:57:54.876
it's it's a it's really

00:57:54.916 --> 00:57:57.438
messed up yeah but yeah you

00:57:57.478 --> 00:57:58.797
don't get any of that with

00:57:58.858 --> 00:57:59.978
with me you get like free

00:57:59.998 --> 00:58:03.079
signatures um books for

00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:04.740
fairly cheap prices I think

00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:06.981
they are priced like five

00:58:07.021 --> 00:58:08.043
or six pounds each

00:58:08.143 --> 00:58:08.943
something like that and

00:58:08.963 --> 00:58:10.204
then you have like bundles

00:58:11.065 --> 00:58:12.164
all combinations because

00:58:12.184 --> 00:58:13.045
you have like you know two

00:58:13.065 --> 00:58:14.025
variants for each you have

00:58:14.065 --> 00:58:15.327
like four combinations of

00:58:16.086 --> 00:58:16.847
Whichever you want,

00:58:16.887 --> 00:58:18.188
you can get all of them.

00:58:18.349 --> 00:58:19.789
And you can get one with the

00:58:19.909 --> 00:58:21.771
previous books that I've done as well.

00:58:21.851 --> 00:58:25.012
So you can get like five books in one go.

00:58:25.092 --> 00:58:28.235
So, you know, just books.

00:58:28.335 --> 00:58:28.914
And then you have the

00:58:28.934 --> 00:58:31.197
digital things as well in

00:58:31.237 --> 00:58:31.817
case you want it.

00:58:31.856 --> 00:58:32.237
But, yeah,

00:58:32.356 --> 00:58:34.818
it's really going for simple this time.

00:58:35.518 --> 00:58:37.079
So let everybody know when

00:58:37.099 --> 00:58:39.442
this Kickstarter will kick off.

00:58:40.847 --> 00:58:41.266
Yes.

00:58:41.367 --> 00:58:44.128
So we are on the twenty third.

00:58:44.168 --> 00:58:46.208
So another forty eight hours.

00:58:46.268 --> 00:58:47.188
Well, a little bit more.

00:58:47.809 --> 00:58:49.090
So on the twenty fifth.

00:58:51.230 --> 00:58:51.489
Yeah,

00:58:51.510 --> 00:58:52.990
because I think I originally said the

00:58:53.050 --> 00:58:53.731
twenty eight.

00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:55.992
So it's now the twenty fifth.

00:58:57.711 --> 00:58:58.932
If I said twenty eight,

00:58:59.072 --> 00:59:01.253
then you're kind of on the

00:59:01.273 --> 00:59:02.233
fence between the twenty

00:59:02.273 --> 00:59:03.634
fifth and the twenty eight,

00:59:03.733 --> 00:59:05.614
I believe is what you sent me both.

00:59:05.914 --> 00:59:07.534
But you weren't sure.

00:59:08.615 --> 00:59:09.235
Eighteen, maybe.

00:59:09.804 --> 00:59:12.065
okay might have been yeah

00:59:12.126 --> 00:59:14.068
because I was either this

00:59:14.108 --> 00:59:15.110
tuesday or the tuesday

00:59:15.150 --> 00:59:16.231
before so it was probably

00:59:16.271 --> 00:59:18.532
that uh but but yeah I mean

00:59:18.693 --> 00:59:19.994
yeah twenty fifth will be

00:59:20.034 --> 00:59:20.835
the the day that it's

00:59:20.876 --> 00:59:25.000
coming out uh and uh yeah

00:59:25.201 --> 00:59:27.503
just uh if you like sci-fi if you like

00:59:28.523 --> 00:59:29.925
you know you can read the

00:59:29.985 --> 00:59:31.126
the log lines if you know

00:59:31.186 --> 00:59:32.327
just talking through them

00:59:33.949 --> 00:59:35.050
uh is not like you know

00:59:36.070 --> 00:59:39.432
it's not very well um uh if

00:59:39.472 --> 00:59:40.634
it wasn't enticing enough

00:59:40.653 --> 00:59:41.655
just talking about it you

00:59:41.695 --> 00:59:42.615
know you can read the log

00:59:42.675 --> 00:59:45.998
lines in the yeah page and

00:59:46.018 --> 00:59:46.778
I'll be staring at across

00:59:46.858 --> 00:59:47.980
all my social media

00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:52.063
platforms as well um yeah

00:59:52.103 --> 00:59:53.204
so as soon as it's live I

00:59:53.224 --> 00:59:54.686
will literally take your post

00:59:55.614 --> 00:59:57.597
Repost it on Blue Sky and

00:59:57.637 --> 01:00:00.039
then repost it across all

01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.701
my other social media platforms,

01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.643
as I always do for you and

01:00:04.664 --> 01:00:06.945
anybody else who comes on

01:00:07.045 --> 01:00:08.427
and wants to talk about

01:00:08.447 --> 01:00:09.547
their Kickstarter.

01:00:10.068 --> 01:00:12.271
I'm not a one-person show here.

01:00:12.630 --> 01:00:13.931
Well, I am a one-person show,

01:00:13.992 --> 01:00:16.094
but I'm not just here to support Bruno.

01:00:16.795 --> 01:00:17.876
I am supporting Bruno,

01:00:17.896 --> 01:00:19.137
but I support everybody.

01:00:20.034 --> 01:00:20.875
if they want to come on the

01:00:20.934 --> 01:00:22.936
podcast and talk about their work.

01:00:23.456 --> 01:00:24.356
I'm here for it.

01:00:24.376 --> 01:00:25.998
That's literally why I

01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:27.340
created this podcast.

01:00:27.460 --> 01:00:28.800
And it was one of those

01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:29.922
directions that I wanted to

01:00:29.961 --> 01:00:31.103
go in eventually that I'm

01:00:31.143 --> 01:00:32.583
finally getting to go in

01:00:33.364 --> 01:00:34.945
and support and giving

01:00:35.945 --> 01:00:37.106
artists like yourself a

01:00:37.146 --> 01:00:39.009
platform to come on and

01:00:39.048 --> 01:00:40.489
talk about their work.

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:43.172
And that was like,

01:00:43.211 --> 01:00:45.134
it was a small goal that I

01:00:45.173 --> 01:00:45.853
didn't know would be

01:00:45.893 --> 01:00:47.936
achievable that I'm now achieving.

01:00:48.896 --> 01:00:50.356
so I'm really I'm here for

01:00:50.376 --> 01:00:52.617
it I'm all about it more

01:00:52.657 --> 01:00:53.577
power to everybody who

01:00:53.597 --> 01:00:54.577
wants to come on and do

01:00:54.597 --> 01:00:57.239
this so definitely come on

01:00:57.278 --> 01:00:58.579
because it's it's great fun

01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:00.880
yeah it's you get to talk

01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:03.159
about your thing with a guy

01:01:03.179 --> 01:01:04.699
who's actually a proper

01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:09.280
comics nerd yeah I I comic

01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:10.242
books are my thing I mean I

01:01:10.262 --> 01:01:12.101
got stacks over here look

01:01:12.141 --> 01:01:14.262
at this yeah that's my

01:01:14.282 --> 01:01:16.523
current reading pile oh wow

01:01:17.981 --> 01:01:19.043
It looks like a lot,

01:01:19.083 --> 01:01:20.802
but there's duplicates in here.

01:01:21.603 --> 01:01:23.603
It's really not that much.

01:01:25.864 --> 01:01:28.286
Boom Studios released The Last Boy,

01:01:28.326 --> 01:01:30.806
which is a Peter Pan retelling.

01:01:31.726 --> 01:01:33.307
So I got like four covers

01:01:33.347 --> 01:01:34.708
from it because I couldn't

01:01:34.728 --> 01:01:35.809
decide what I wanted.

01:01:35.869 --> 01:01:37.150
So I got four different ones.

01:01:37.949 --> 01:01:39.369
Dan Panijian, who wrote it,

01:01:39.429 --> 01:01:40.630
is a phenomenal writer.

01:01:41.498 --> 01:01:43.280
He had a cover in a virgin

01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.500
variant of that cover.

01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.121
I picked up both those covers.

01:01:47.782 --> 01:01:48.722
There was a cover with

01:01:49.103 --> 01:01:50.163
Captain Hook being chased

01:01:50.182 --> 01:01:51.204
by the crocodile.

01:01:52.364 --> 01:01:53.744
Could not pass that up.

01:01:54.545 --> 01:01:57.007
So I couldn't decide.

01:01:57.047 --> 01:02:00.108
So I went with the group, you know,

01:02:00.168 --> 01:02:01.809
because I was like, oh, that's so cool.

01:02:01.849 --> 01:02:03.670
And there's a one with Wendy on it.

01:02:04.849 --> 01:02:07.291
Yeah, it was just awesome.

01:02:07.492 --> 01:02:07.811
Awesome.

01:02:09.326 --> 01:02:10.987
And Absolute Flash came out

01:02:11.007 --> 01:02:11.909
this week as well.

01:02:12.568 --> 01:02:14.110
So I picked up a David

01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:15.893
Nakayama cover from there

01:02:16.612 --> 01:02:18.755
and a Clayton Crane cover

01:02:19.396 --> 01:02:20.556
from Absolute Flash,

01:02:20.597 --> 01:02:21.978
which Absolute Flash had

01:02:22.018 --> 01:02:24.320
like fifteen covers for number one.

01:02:24.862 --> 01:02:25.302
Wow.

01:02:25.862 --> 01:02:26.103
Yeah.

01:02:27.838 --> 01:02:29.960
So you are the target audience of,

01:02:30.019 --> 01:02:30.320
you know,

01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:32.222
those people who actually release a book.

01:02:32.461 --> 01:02:34.063
And I love talking comic books.

01:02:34.143 --> 01:02:37.844
So I love for people to want to come on.

01:02:37.925 --> 01:02:39.166
I want to make this a place

01:02:39.186 --> 01:02:41.286
where comic book artists

01:02:41.347 --> 01:02:43.628
and writers can come talk

01:02:43.648 --> 01:02:44.528
about their work,

01:02:44.748 --> 01:02:46.869
share their work with others.

01:02:47.891 --> 01:02:49.050
And to me,

01:02:49.110 --> 01:02:51.273
that's like my ultimate dream goal.

01:02:52.315 --> 01:02:54.056
is just having this place

01:02:54.135 --> 01:02:55.717
where a comic book artist,

01:02:55.737 --> 01:02:59.518
a comic book writer, can say, hey, USDN,

01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:00.438
can I come on and talk

01:03:00.458 --> 01:03:01.579
about my new project?

01:03:02.619 --> 01:03:05.260
And I love it because I try

01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:06.641
to make this as easy and as

01:03:06.882 --> 01:03:08.762
simple as possible.

01:03:08.862 --> 01:03:11.545
You have to do very little except show up.

01:03:12.264 --> 01:03:13.666
I do all the advertising.

01:03:13.766 --> 01:03:14.965
I do all the setup.

01:03:15.485 --> 01:03:16.666
You literally just get a

01:03:16.786 --> 01:03:18.148
link in your bot saying,

01:03:19.248 --> 01:03:20.389
click here and join.

01:03:21.601 --> 01:03:23.963
I can't confirm.

01:03:23.983 --> 01:03:24.844
I make it simple.

01:03:24.945 --> 01:03:28.789
I mean, I don't know what else to do.

01:03:29.028 --> 01:03:31.030
I'm here for you artists and

01:03:31.050 --> 01:03:32.253
you writers out there who

01:03:32.293 --> 01:03:33.494
want to get your projects

01:03:33.594 --> 01:03:34.635
in front of people.

01:03:35.315 --> 01:03:36.097
I'm here for that.

01:03:38.416 --> 01:03:38.715
Yeah,

01:03:38.735 --> 01:03:40.115
I definitely go from it's just that

01:03:40.155 --> 01:03:40.496
simple.

01:03:40.536 --> 01:03:41.936
Just show up and everything

01:03:41.956 --> 01:03:43.677
is set up for you.

01:03:43.856 --> 01:03:45.277
It's mutually beneficial.

01:03:45.317 --> 01:03:46.277
It helps me grow.

01:03:46.818 --> 01:03:48.057
It helps you grow.

01:03:49.057 --> 01:03:51.119
And I'm really hoping that

01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.760
this becomes kind of like my only thing,

01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:55.380
you know,

01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:57.980
is sitting down with artists a

01:03:58.000 --> 01:03:59.400
few days a week and just

01:03:59.561 --> 01:04:00.721
talking about their work

01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:02.141
and comic books and

01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:04.141
whatever else they want to

01:04:04.161 --> 01:04:06.041
come on and talk about, you know, because

01:04:07.284 --> 01:04:09.704
it's fun for me it's not

01:04:09.724 --> 01:04:11.286
like this isn't doesn't

01:04:11.306 --> 01:04:12.746
feel like work I'm talking

01:04:12.766 --> 01:04:16.027
to my friend bruno it's as

01:04:16.047 --> 01:04:17.168
simple as that for me I'm

01:04:17.188 --> 01:04:18.309
talking to my friend bruno

01:04:18.648 --> 01:04:19.688
and my cat back there is

01:04:19.728 --> 01:04:20.568
about to get her butt

01:04:20.588 --> 01:04:21.650
busted because she's on a

01:04:21.690 --> 01:04:25.331
shelf she shouldn't be on

01:04:25.351 --> 01:04:26.452
she acts like I can't steer

01:04:28.632 --> 01:04:29.632
she likes to jump up there

01:04:29.652 --> 01:04:31.954
and lick my legos that's

01:04:31.994 --> 01:04:33.755
all she does she will lick the legos

01:04:34.740 --> 01:04:35.461
I don't know why,

01:04:36.222 --> 01:04:38.646
but that's what she does.

01:04:38.666 --> 01:04:39.628
That's what cats do.

01:04:40.068 --> 01:04:42.411
Bruno, let's close this out.

01:04:42.932 --> 01:04:44.135
Remind the people when

01:04:45.135 --> 01:04:47.059
cinematic figments is

01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:47.900
coming out and tell

01:04:47.980 --> 01:04:49.782
everybody where they can find you.

01:04:50.989 --> 01:04:51.771
Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:51.851 --> 01:04:54.311
So, yeah, on the twenty fifth,

01:04:55.853 --> 01:04:58.876
maybe around what time is it there?

01:04:58.976 --> 01:04:59.876
Three p.m.

01:05:00.135 --> 01:05:00.396
Right.

01:05:00.536 --> 01:05:01.978
It's eleven a.m.

01:05:02.057 --> 01:05:02.757
Eleven a.m.

01:05:02.797 --> 01:05:03.239
Three p.m.

01:05:03.278 --> 01:05:03.699
is here.

01:05:03.818 --> 01:05:05.300
I'm I don't know what I

01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:06.440
don't know what I'm doing anymore.

01:05:07.342 --> 01:05:10.483
But yeah, around six, seven p.m.

01:05:11.545 --> 01:05:12.224
GMT.

01:05:12.264 --> 01:05:13.005
So that should be.

01:05:13.985 --> 01:05:15.927
two three pm for you I was

01:05:15.967 --> 01:05:17.009
right when I said two pm

01:05:17.028 --> 01:05:20.291
yeah somehow this is how I

01:05:20.311 --> 01:05:22.012
turned around by making

01:05:22.052 --> 01:05:22.934
something that didn't make

01:05:22.954 --> 01:05:25.315
sense um so yeah

01:05:25.335 --> 01:05:26.617
twenty-fifth uh it will

01:05:26.637 --> 01:05:28.117
come off on kickstarter

01:05:28.318 --> 01:05:29.418
you'll have issues one and

01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:31.802
two they are independent

01:05:31.822 --> 01:05:32.802
you can just get one you

01:05:32.822 --> 01:05:34.164
can get both it's cheaper

01:05:34.184 --> 01:05:37.306
if you get both but um and

01:05:37.326 --> 01:05:38.027
we didn't mention this yet

01:05:38.146 --> 01:05:40.128
how long will this kickstarter go for

01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.320
Just a month, like going very simple,

01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.802
very standard, you know,

01:05:46.483 --> 01:05:48.603
changing one thing, just having books.

01:05:48.804 --> 01:05:49.204
That's it.

01:05:50.284 --> 01:05:51.626
And yeah,

01:05:51.666 --> 01:05:53.306
and you can find me on blue sky

01:05:53.367 --> 01:05:59.331
at Bruno Caterino dot BS guy, whatever.

01:05:59.771 --> 01:06:00.030
Yeah.

01:06:00.331 --> 01:06:01.331
And that's it.

01:06:01.452 --> 01:06:03.032
Really?

01:06:03.052 --> 01:06:04.134
This can't a swear, dude.

01:06:05.918 --> 01:06:07.099
She probably saw a shadow

01:06:07.139 --> 01:06:09.199
from the light coming from the outside in,

01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:10.960
and now she's trying to get it.

01:06:12.260 --> 01:06:14.161
That's my daughter's cat, y'all, not mine.

01:06:14.702 --> 01:06:17.202
My cat is probably on the

01:06:17.242 --> 01:06:20.344
cat tower in the other room.

01:06:21.025 --> 01:06:22.005
Also doing cat stuff.

01:06:22.844 --> 01:06:24.005
Also doing cat stuff,

01:06:24.146 --> 01:06:25.226
staring at the window,

01:06:25.405 --> 01:06:27.007
watching the birds and the squirrels.

01:06:28.206 --> 01:06:30.748
But that's it.

01:06:30.947 --> 01:06:32.628
Bruno, you got anything else for us?

01:06:34.333 --> 01:06:35.755
um no that's really it I I

01:06:35.775 --> 01:06:37.076
will just double you know

01:06:37.115 --> 01:06:38.157
on saying you know come

01:06:38.336 --> 01:06:40.518
come on because yeah it's a

01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:41.599
really good time you really

01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:43.800
have to do nothing else and

01:06:44.181 --> 01:06:46.242
uh it's it's really good

01:06:46.262 --> 01:06:47.244
for everyone because you

01:06:47.264 --> 01:06:50.527
know people who follow me

01:06:50.586 --> 01:06:51.788
start following you people

01:06:51.867 --> 01:06:52.989
start following you follow

01:06:53.128 --> 01:06:54.329
start following me and you

01:06:54.349 --> 01:06:55.550
know we all gain and

01:06:56.911 --> 01:06:58.512
yeah and you get a good time

01:06:58.532 --> 01:07:00.032
uh talking with the

01:07:00.393 --> 01:07:02.494
chairman I won't say your

01:07:02.514 --> 01:07:03.134
name if you don't want to

01:07:03.153 --> 01:07:05.375
yeah yeah I'm the chairman

01:07:05.534 --> 01:07:06.974
I'm the chairman here just

01:07:07.195 --> 01:07:08.356
that I lead the council of

01:07:08.376 --> 01:07:10.336
nerds but that's all we

01:07:10.356 --> 01:07:12.797
have for everybody today uh

01:07:12.876 --> 01:07:14.137
what's coming up for me is

01:07:14.338 --> 01:07:15.918
I have bob campbell coming

01:07:15.998 --> 01:07:17.338
on friday I think at

01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:19.061
sits sturdy to talk about

01:07:19.141 --> 01:07:20.362
his new Kickstarter,

01:07:20.762 --> 01:07:22.125
which is an issue two of

01:07:22.184 --> 01:07:23.786
Tales of the Illuminatus,

01:07:24.306 --> 01:07:26.188
which if you don't know, is an anthology.

01:07:26.369 --> 01:07:28.693
Well, no, it's a trilogy book series.

01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.981
um it's it's kind of weird I

01:07:34.001 --> 01:07:35.382
won't lie to nobody but

01:07:35.782 --> 01:07:37.083
it's really cool the book

01:07:37.364 --> 01:07:39.204
I've read issue one it

01:07:39.264 --> 01:07:40.606
starts out like what the

01:07:40.706 --> 01:07:42.527
hell am I looking at and

01:07:42.547 --> 01:07:44.108
then it gets into the story

01:07:44.648 --> 01:07:45.688
and then the story makes

01:07:45.748 --> 01:07:47.931
sense so thankfully but

01:07:47.971 --> 01:07:49.731
it's just how the book is written

01:07:50.731 --> 01:07:51.193
I mean,

01:07:51.413 --> 01:07:52.893
it deals with the Illuminati and

01:07:52.914 --> 01:07:53.815
that kind of stuff.

01:07:54.434 --> 01:07:57.197
So it's meant to be a little off weird,

01:07:57.617 --> 01:07:58.918
but in a good way.

01:07:59.079 --> 01:07:59.900
You know what I'm saying?

01:08:00.780 --> 01:08:02.882
So I'll be sitting down with Bob Campbell,

01:08:02.922 --> 01:08:04.463
who is doing the art and

01:08:04.503 --> 01:08:05.545
the writing for this book.

01:08:06.945 --> 01:08:07.786
on Friday.

01:08:07.806 --> 01:08:09.367
It's going to be a good time.

01:08:09.427 --> 01:08:10.327
It's going to be my first

01:08:10.347 --> 01:08:12.108
time talking to Bob and meeting Bob,

01:08:12.827 --> 01:08:14.449
so I'm really excited for that.

01:08:15.568 --> 01:08:17.130
My new episode of New Comic

01:08:17.149 --> 01:08:18.109
Book Day will come out a

01:08:18.210 --> 01:08:19.430
little later today.

01:08:19.930 --> 01:08:21.411
I'm very late on it.

01:08:21.591 --> 01:08:22.752
I do apologize,

01:08:22.811 --> 01:08:24.731
but I've been catching up

01:08:24.792 --> 01:08:26.472
on TV shows lately, so...

01:08:29.179 --> 01:08:29.819
I'm simple.

01:08:30.500 --> 01:08:32.480
I got to get my TV in when I can.

01:08:32.701 --> 01:08:34.601
And I've been catching up on anime.

01:08:35.981 --> 01:08:37.743
Reacher is on Amazon right now.

01:08:37.863 --> 01:08:41.085
So I'm busy.

01:08:41.685 --> 01:08:43.985
And then coming up April.

01:08:44.792 --> 01:08:47.474
We're getting Andor season two,

01:08:47.814 --> 01:08:49.413
which I've been waiting for forever.

01:08:49.493 --> 01:08:50.435
So we'll be doing something

01:08:50.515 --> 01:08:52.854
big here on the podcast for Andor.

01:08:53.836 --> 01:08:54.615
I'll probably have my

01:08:54.676 --> 01:08:55.716
friends on from the pop

01:08:55.756 --> 01:08:57.976
break and maybe from some

01:08:57.997 --> 01:08:59.377
of my other podcasts here

01:08:59.457 --> 01:09:01.917
on the channel with us at DFPN as well.

01:09:02.478 --> 01:09:03.417
So a lot of good things,

01:09:03.438 --> 01:09:04.698
a lot of big things coming out.

01:09:05.509 --> 01:09:07.152
for USDN.

01:09:07.591 --> 01:09:09.354
I will be continuing my interview series.

01:09:09.375 --> 01:09:10.417
So if you or somebody you

01:09:10.476 --> 01:09:12.059
know has a Kickstarter

01:09:12.099 --> 01:09:13.240
ready to go live or is

01:09:13.341 --> 01:09:15.203
already live and they would

01:09:15.224 --> 01:09:15.904
like to come on,

01:09:16.265 --> 01:09:18.850
we are here to support them as well.

01:09:19.895 --> 01:09:22.358
But on behalf of myself and

01:09:22.377 --> 01:09:24.961
the Council of Nerds, this interview,

01:09:25.181 --> 01:09:27.104
as well as Bruno Caterino, y'all,

01:09:27.444 --> 01:09:28.826
is USDN approved.

01:09:29.306 --> 01:09:31.869
Check out his Kickstarter,

01:09:31.970 --> 01:09:33.731
March when it goes live.

01:09:33.771 --> 01:09:35.113
That is it from us here.

01:09:35.814 --> 01:09:37.256
Everybody enjoy their Sunday.