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Welcome to Plans Are Booked, podcast for
every reader.

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I'm Molly Geller.

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I'm Stephanie Blackburn.

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I'm Caitlin Madison.

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Welcome to Chapter 24, which if I did the
math correctly, that's six months of

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episodes, right?

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What?

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No.

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No!

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Wait.

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Math is not my strong suit.

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Six times four is 24 so that's six months
of episodes.

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Uh but no.

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Really?

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Well we did -

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have a double up in our first debut, so
yeah, we're almost there.

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Yeah, we're almost there.

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all right, yeah Wow, you really made me
doubt my math The way she looked at me.

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I was like that is how many weeks are in a
month typically for

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this is this is like an existential
question, but how do you picture the

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months of the year?

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Because that is why I have trouble with
six month increments.

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Like do you picture it linear?

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Okay.

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scowling at Steph.

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Are you on drugs?

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What's happening?

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Yeah, she's like got a bell curve graph
going for her six month signal and I'm

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like, I don't get it.

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Yeah.

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like the summer for me is like low and
then the fall is when it starts to get

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high and then winter is the top.

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That's how in my mind I picture the months
of the year.

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Sort of like a roller coaster.

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No.

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There's a lot of left -highs.

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I do have a favorite page or a favorite
book or anything for enjoying this time.

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Do you know?

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So I have to...

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is the distance from my birthday.

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So like I know my birthday, September
29th, six months from that is March 29th.

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So like, if someone says to me like, Oh, I
was born in October.

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I'm like, Oh, you're half birthdays in
April.

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Because everything is like, I just
ratcheted it.

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working on show, I'm working working show,
I'm I'm a

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our half birthdays are the opposite
months.

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Yep.

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And I'm a loser and I'm like, well, Kyle
Chandler's birthday is my half birthday,

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which is September 17th.

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Yeah, listen, there's all sorts of weird
things that you can do with time.

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Mine is not visual, Steph's is.

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I'm sorry that six times four equaling 24
did not work for your peak and valley

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visual that you have going on.

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She was like, no, it can't be six months
because it's not how I picture it.

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Lord

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That was great.

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You should just start every episode now
with like a weird cold open that just

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really like sends the episode in a certain
direction because the last one was

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aphentasia and we spent 20 minutes on it.

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So.

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that was book related.

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Yeah, people just don't know what they're
getting themselves into when they turn

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this on.

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So 24 episodes, we have accomplished a
lot, I feel like.

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And this weekend, we kind of did like a
little New England bebopping, if you will.

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a trip.

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Like we were taking ourselves to a new
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Excursion.

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And this is what I feel like.

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I feel like the last week, 60 days of the
break, was like 50s or 70s the day before.

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And all of the people were so happy to be
here.

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And all of the people were so be here.

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And I'm really like, oh, we're going to
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England weekend.

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I started in Providence.

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I met two of my Wheaton College besties
and we used to go to Providence all the

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time from Wheaton because it's only like
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15 to 20 minutes and at the time the
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honestly like the bigger part.

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It would be like a different fire tonight,
so we'd go shopping, get our dresses.

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We had this fall's conference with a
Boston match, and I got my dress today.

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And now, as I was in the house, I'm like,
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wanna go to the Providence Place Mall.

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So instead of orienting our weekend around
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of places that either none of us had been
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So we stayed at the Aloft Hotel downtown,
which was super nice.

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I've actually stayed in an aloft here in
Boston in the seaport with Scout,

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actually, my pup.

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And the hotel was great.

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I feel the need to share with all of our
listeners that this hotel has Drybar

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products in the shower.

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And also, we got a driver, a pair of
guards.

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is like one of my happy places on earth.

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It just like brings me an incredible
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hotel before.

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So I was like, okay, automatic seal of
approval for this place.

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We went to a cocktail bar called the
Eddie, which was amazing.

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They had super creative drinks, very fun
spot.

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We went to a pizza place.

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called Figadini that is famous for its
burrata pizza, which is exactly as it

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sounds, a giant pizza with a huge burrata
ball in the center.

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I was thrilled.

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And they give you scissors to cut your
pizza, which is just like very fun.

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Do it yourself at the table.

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And the next day we went to a donut place
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place called the Rogue Island.

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It was one of those brunch menus where you
want literally everything.

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Like you want all the eggs Benedict's, you
want all the special French toast, they

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had a thin mint.

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you said you did or you didn't?

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What?

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Oh my.

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share.

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And then two of us got huevos rancheros
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bear named for the show.

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And then we were so full and we also had
cocktails.

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And I was like, I might have to drive back
here for the thin mint French toast.

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good.

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We're good.

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So, the problem is, I really didn't have
much time to have a sense of ology or so.

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I was so delighted, and then we went
through the other part.

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And I was like,

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there's so much cool art because RISD is
there.

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And I just feel like I don't give it
enough credit for its cool factor.

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Well, our content is there, so if you want
to learn points, you might want to know.

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I've spent an insignificant time there in
the last 12 years, probably.

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So I want to let you know that it's back
in biz, and I'll be sure to say it's back

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in biz.

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I'll say it over and over again.

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You know what I mean?

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It's more in the office.

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and we should check it out.

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And then Molly pivoted and went from PVD
to Portsmouth.

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picked Steph up along the way or Steph
picked up her.

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I was already there with a friend who
needed and we...

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were already out and about shopping a
little bit in the lovely weather and then

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Molly and Steph met up with us.

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We went to LaRue, which is an awesome
kitchen store.

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We went to two bookstores that were both
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And then we ate an epic meal, which I
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fan of.

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One day I got there and like it happened
all at once.

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Like I had to go out to the cook store and
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practice in the collard.

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like some cheese and crackers when I got
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430 and I was like, I've had two mimosas
and like no food today and like what am I

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doing with my life?

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So by the time we got to the restaurant, I
was like ready for a delicious meal and we

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went to street, amazing Korean food.

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I remember we talked something like, that
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whatever it is that has to do with
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I'll be like, okay.

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we were walking around downtown Portsmouth
I think I said to like each of you and our

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friend Elise at different moments like I
forgot how fun it is here like Even though

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every time I've gone I've always loved it.

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I was in Portsmouth also the previous
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just went like right into the library
restaurant right back

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looks like it belongs in a rom -com.

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It's like that kind of setting.

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feel like Stars Hollow like might have
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Hampshire.

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I know it's supposed to be Connecticut and
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It has a very similar vibe, I think.

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It feels like there's a ton to do, but it
still feels like a smaller town.

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And you also get the benefit that it's a
coastal state, like a waterfront.

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It's just a fabulous place.

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A seafloor trail.

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So all the toys becoming them.

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It's a fun place.

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And I love it.

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It's a great day.

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And it was just very, very fun.

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Steph is back at it with the house.

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apologize.

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I am so tired that someone on my Instagram
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worrying.

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She was like, I think you need your
thyroid checked.

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I'm worried about you.

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And I was like, I appreciate that, but
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Because I had posted about being cold all
the time and always being tired.

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No, I have an idea about the stress in a
week that I would never forget.

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Like, really.

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It's from the job.

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I think something more different than just
that is what she was talking about.

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like warning sign, warning sign.

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I okay, that makes more sense because I
was like, am I a bad friend?

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Like, should I be more worried about stuff
being cold and tired?

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when she posted like I'm cold and this and
that I did not think oh because she's

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going in and out from outside I thought
I'm always cold because I'm a vegetarian

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and I have low iron and I was like, yeah,
of course She's a vegetarian of course.

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She's always cold

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we also have the temp set at 59 because my
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oil.

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So we just wear our jackets inside while
we're working on the house.

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I feel like I'm constantly harping on the
negative stuff that's happening.

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The big drama this week is that I didn't
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appliances and I did not.

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you had to call people which is the worst
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I hate calling people.

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and the actual worst part is that I don't
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the other end of the phone used, but it
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the phone and I could, I felt like my
mother, I kept being like, I'm so sorry, I

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can't hear you.

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Can you say that again?

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But it was just so muffled, driving me
nuts.

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No, it sounded like they're, you know.

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Sometimes I'm like, I feel bad, but like
what I call insurance companies, like

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sometimes they'll sound like they're on
another planet and they're like, hello,

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hello, hello.

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And I'm like, I can't hear.

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And I'm like trying to give them like
subscriber ID numbers and like important

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information.

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And I'm like, I'm like, I can't hear
anything.

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And.

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like, at the same time, it sounds like a
really strong sound.

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And that's when they click something and
click a perfect sound.

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And I'm always looking more in the books,
and they're probably like trying to make a

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sound.

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And it sounds like they're like
understanding the FBI.

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I'm just like, oh.

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gonna have to do it.

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about it.

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Like click one button.

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And I'm like, God, these work from home
people are ridiculous sometimes.

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think for me, my dad has a hearing aid,
our helper who just started, he's normally

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with us on most houses, but he just
started last week with us.

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He also has a hearing aid.

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My mother has a hearing aid.

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And so anytime I say, I'm so sorry, can
you repeat yourself?

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I feel like I'm, am I 60 already and I
can't hear the person on the other end?

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least your parents wear their hearing
aids.

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My mom dropped like five grand on them and
doesn't put them in.

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And then when she goes, what, can you say
that again?

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What?

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I just look at her and I'm like, are you
wearing your hearing aids?

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And she's like, whatever.

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And we went out to a hockey game with some
of her friends who do wear their hearing

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aids and they heard me scolding her and
they were like,

239
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the new fridge though is not coming for
another two plus weeks, which means

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that like the last house, we're going to
have to list this one without a fridge and

241
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just our realtor will have to say before
closing, it will actually be here.

242
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But that upsets me because obviously then
we're not putting our absolute best foot

243
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forward for first impressions.

244
00:13:34,381 --> 00:13:39,521
Okay, so I am going to tell you today, and
I know you're going to look at this, but I

245
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was going to say one of the most difficult
houses to go to on the process weekend.

246
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There was one where...

247
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the Realtor had like photoshopped a fire
pit.

248
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mean in person.

249
00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:06,126
Yeah.

250
00:14:06,126 --> 00:14:06,783
Yeah.

251
00:14:06,783 --> 00:14:08,571
it look better in the photos, right?

252
00:14:08,846 --> 00:14:10,906
Yeah, I'm not worried about the photos.

253
00:14:11,246 --> 00:14:15,166
It's just that you only get one chance at
a first impression.

254
00:14:15,166 --> 00:14:18,806
So I'm just praying that everything else
is a wow factor.

255
00:14:18,806 --> 00:14:20,766
And they're like, OK, there will one day
be a fridge.

256
00:14:20,766 --> 00:14:25,711
But also, me personally, I'd want to know
what kind of fridge I was getting into.

257
00:14:25,711 --> 00:14:29,431
see, that's like probably not something I
pay attention to.

258
00:14:30,331 --> 00:14:34,091
That wouldn't be, I'd be like, there's an
island in this kitchen and like that's

259
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what I'm focused on.

260
00:14:36,657 --> 00:14:52,797
the countertops in this flip are pretty
bougie.

261
00:14:52,819 --> 00:14:53,109
Yeah.

262
00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:59,419
Well, I saw the light fixtures for the
bedroom and I was like, okay, I'm starting

263
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to get, I have no vision is my issue.

264
00:15:02,899 --> 00:15:08,439
So when everything is empty, I'm like, and
like growing, I live in like six different

265
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houses growing up.

266
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So like I've gone to see a lot of houses
in my day and I picked.

267
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two houses that I lived in.

268
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I'm on the fourth and fifth, I'm on the
fifth One of them, one of them was my

269
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death in the five.

270
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I was like, oh, well, I'm gonna care.

271
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So these are obviously like seven houses.

272
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So like this is one.

273
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And my wife likes to talk about it, but.

274
00:15:30,271 --> 00:15:37,391
But I think that based on just the light
fixtures, I had this like aha moment where

275
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I was like, mm, okay.

276
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I'm starting to see the shape of this and
what this is going to look like.

277
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And...

278
00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:47,670
Yeah, it's just brilliant.

279
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:49,880
I saw it right before I was using it.

280
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I was like, I'm gonna use that.

281
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:51,961
I'm gonna use it someday.

282
00:15:51,961 --> 00:15:55,025
rich enough to have light fixtures like
that and you said...

283
00:15:58,787 --> 00:15:59,730
Yeah, yeah.

284
00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:03,410
mean, to be completely honest, you can
spend a lot of money on Wayfair because

285
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they have all range of items.

286
00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:15,130
But I, you know, I'm buying things that
look a certain price point and are maybe a

287
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little under that price point.

288
00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:22,410
I'm really excited to show you guys the
kitchen fixtures because they still have a

289
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touch of gold, but they're also, they
remind me of like an old school.

290
00:16:27,270 --> 00:16:28,550
I don't know.

291
00:16:34,074 --> 00:16:35,555
Okay, all right.

292
00:16:35,555 --> 00:16:41,715
This is going to be our first flip that we
go to visit and document on plans or

293
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books.

294
00:16:43,523 --> 00:16:44,063
Yeah.

295
00:16:44,063 --> 00:16:45,253
So like, I don't know.

296
00:16:45,253 --> 00:16:49,203
I feel like we need to take, do like a
photo shoot of us reading whatever book

297
00:16:49,203 --> 00:16:52,143
we're reading at that point in time, like
bring it with us.

298
00:16:52,143 --> 00:16:59,143
And we could do like a little fun
fashionista home flip reading.

299
00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:02,963
Like, and this is where the plans are book
girls read their books and you can just

300
00:17:02,963 --> 00:17:07,383
leave them a little bookmark with our
podcast on it in the house.

301
00:17:07,383 --> 00:17:10,413
Oh my God, that could be like your David
Bromsted thing.

302
00:17:10,413 --> 00:17:13,019
Did you ever watch his show Color Splash?

303
00:17:13,347 --> 00:17:16,867
Oh, you don't know who he is.

304
00:17:16,867 --> 00:17:23,747
He won Design Star one year on HGTV and
they gave him his own show called Color

305
00:17:23,747 --> 00:17:24,447
Splash.

306
00:17:24,447 --> 00:17:27,227
He's like an unbelievable artist.

307
00:17:27,227 --> 00:17:32,707
And he would do a painting that he hung
somewhere in the house of every house that

308
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he redesigned.

309
00:17:33,967 --> 00:17:36,027
And that was his like calling card.

310
00:17:36,027 --> 00:17:37,287
He has a different show now.

311
00:17:37,287 --> 00:17:43,099
I forget the name of it, but my mom and I,
I would like get home from like,

312
00:17:51,117 --> 00:17:54,957
well maybe we'll take some posed photos in
there and we'll have your realtor add them

313
00:17:54,957 --> 00:17:56,437
to your listing.

314
00:17:57,214 --> 00:17:59,314
It's more of a hot area.

315
00:17:59,314 --> 00:18:03,254
You can go into the same folder and like,
our tutorial.

316
00:18:03,254 --> 00:18:04,094
Yeah.

317
00:18:04,094 --> 00:18:04,894
That's best.

318
00:18:04,894 --> 00:18:08,014
You don't like the photo that's covered in
there?

319
00:18:08,574 --> 00:18:10,941
That's best, yeah.

320
00:18:10,941 --> 00:18:17,001
just saying Okay, let's move on to our
book of the day So we are chatting this

321
00:18:17,001 --> 00:18:22,721
week about a book that I absolutely loved
capital L loved Come funny.

322
00:18:22,721 --> 00:18:24,201
You should ask by Alyssa Sussman.

323
00:18:24,201 --> 00:18:30,981
I found out about this book on the podcast
Forever 35, which I've mentioned a few

324
00:18:30,981 --> 00:18:32,025
times

325
00:18:32,025 --> 00:18:36,025
as introducing me to actually several of
the books that we've talked about here.

326
00:18:36,025 --> 00:18:43,225
So I hadn't known anything about Alyssa's
books or storytelling and I just loved her

327
00:18:43,225 --> 00:18:44,065
in the interview.

328
00:18:44,065 --> 00:18:50,065
Like as a person, I thought she seemed
really funny and down to earth and great.

329
00:18:50,165 --> 00:18:55,325
And I knew that the premise of this book,
Funny You Should Ask, was about a reporter

330
00:18:55,325 --> 00:18:57,305
covering a celebrity.

331
00:18:57,625 --> 00:19:00,595
Since I like that in real life, I was
like, okay, let me give this a whirl.

332
00:19:00,595 --> 00:19:00,991
So.

333
00:19:00,991 --> 00:19:07,309
I took this book on a flight to
Jacksonville, my first time.

334
00:19:07,577 --> 00:19:11,237
We flew with the layover, so I had two
flights to read.

335
00:19:11,397 --> 00:19:16,337
And all I did during both of those flights
was have my head inside this book.

336
00:19:16,337 --> 00:19:19,257
I was addicted from the jump.

337
00:19:19,257 --> 00:19:24,797
I just felt like the chemistry between the
two main characters was off the charts.

338
00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:29,783
And I just felt like I could picture it
the whole time.

339
00:19:29,785 --> 00:19:32,605
in a way that doesn't always happen for me
when I'm reading.

340
00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:37,425
I just felt like I was watching a movie of
this while I was reading it.

341
00:19:37,425 --> 00:19:41,885
And it felt so real.

342
00:19:42,008 --> 00:19:47,248
Wait, when you say that you don't actually
picture books normally as if it's a movie?

343
00:19:47,388 --> 00:19:50,428
No, sometimes like I...

344
00:19:50,428 --> 00:19:54,908
imagine books for the first time but it
doesn't feel like crystal clear all the

345
00:19:54,908 --> 00:19:55,228
time.

346
00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:56,328
Interesting.

347
00:19:56,328 --> 00:20:00,808
And this one almost sounds pure and that's
correct, it's not quite real.

348
00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:03,228
But I just...

349
00:20:03,228 --> 00:20:05,768
I don't know if it's a clear or if it's a
lie because...

350
00:20:05,768 --> 00:20:07,657
and it's about...

351
00:20:07,657 --> 00:20:09,707
this young woman, Chani.

352
00:20:09,707 --> 00:20:11,537
We had a long debate about how her name is
pronounced.

353
00:20:11,537 --> 00:20:12,977
We think it's Chani.

354
00:20:12,977 --> 00:20:14,097
Um.

355
00:20:14,553 --> 00:20:21,093
And she gets assigned to cover this like
up and coming Hollywood heartthrob.

356
00:20:21,373 --> 00:20:25,893
And they wind up spending a bunch of time
together, like several consecutive days.

357
00:20:25,893 --> 00:20:32,153
And the profile that she winds up writing
basically like goes viral and becomes

358
00:20:32,153 --> 00:20:37,013
really well known as like a genre almost
of reporting.

359
00:20:37,013 --> 00:20:42,803
And then we flash way forward in time and
they wind up actually reuniting.

360
00:20:42,803 --> 00:20:43,609
I think it's.

361
00:20:43,609 --> 00:20:44,759
Is it 10 years later?

362
00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:46,129
10 years later.

363
00:20:46,269 --> 00:20:50,649
I don't want to say more because I want to
hear what both of you thought, but I just

364
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:53,729
felt like this was one of those, I
couldn't tell if it was just because I was

365
00:20:53,729 --> 00:20:57,229
on the plane and I had like unlimited time
and so that's why I was so immersed or if

366
00:20:57,229 --> 00:21:00,389
it really was that it grips you that much.

367
00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:06,209
But I wasn't picturing any specific actor.

368
00:21:06,209 --> 00:21:11,699
But after I finished it, our friend who
met us in Jackson Hole, Erica.

369
00:21:11,786 --> 00:21:14,706
I said, oh yeah, that's the Mochra 7,
right?

370
00:21:15,006 --> 00:21:17,203
Like inspired by the Mochra 7.

371
00:21:17,203 --> 00:21:21,323
That's why I said to you when we were
talking about this a little bit way back,

372
00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:23,623
but I didn't explain well enough.

373
00:21:23,623 --> 00:21:25,323
What do you mean, perception?

374
00:21:25,323 --> 00:21:31,923
It's apparently inspired by the real
interaction with perception within a

375
00:21:31,923 --> 00:21:33,897
program, so it's not a profile.

376
00:21:33,897 --> 00:21:36,267
And I didn't know that when I was reading
it.

377
00:21:36,267 --> 00:21:37,682
Alyssa Sussman did not say that.

378
00:21:37,682 --> 00:21:40,722
I was just awesome to not say that.

379
00:21:40,722 --> 00:21:45,842
I just couldn't get my head It could
totally be speculated.

380
00:21:47,483 --> 00:21:59,701
Agreed.

381
00:21:59,701 --> 00:22:01,649
anyway, I'd love to hear what you two
thought.

382
00:22:02,328 --> 00:22:07,618
I think the reason that I got hooked so
easily, one, the writing is fantastic and,

383
00:22:07,618 --> 00:22:12,318
you know, short chapters do that for me,
but it seems plausible.

384
00:22:12,318 --> 00:22:15,805
And as a writer, naturally, I put myself
in...

385
00:22:15,805 --> 00:22:19,685
Johnny's, you know, spot and was magic.

386
00:22:19,685 --> 00:22:24,465
Of course a writer could be writing his
piece and have an actual chemistry with

387
00:22:24,465 --> 00:22:30,365
the subject and, you know, romance sort of
is his thing.

388
00:22:30,365 --> 00:22:32,643
But it's not, you know, out there.

389
00:22:32,643 --> 00:22:33,703
there.

390
00:22:34,183 --> 00:22:36,183
So, I love that.

391
00:22:36,387 --> 00:22:42,207
Well, I'm a firm believer in may all your
delulu become Trululu.

392
00:22:42,407 --> 00:22:48,807
And I, when I had my Friday night lights
podcast, I had a moment where I was like,

393
00:22:48,807 --> 00:22:52,666
oh, Jesse Plummons and I are just going to
like date and that's going to be a thing.

394
00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:58,407
I feel, and back then people were like,
one, who's Jesse Plummons and two, they

395
00:22:58,407 --> 00:23:04,107
were like, they were like, isn't that the
guy that they call like meth daemon?

396
00:23:04,107 --> 00:23:05,258
Have you seen this?

397
00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:06,798
Have you seen this page?

398
00:23:06,798 --> 00:23:07,958
Oh my god.

399
00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:11,578
So instead of Matt Davis, I'm that trying
to get on this toilet.

400
00:23:11,578 --> 00:23:13,138
He's like 16 years old.

401
00:23:13,138 --> 00:23:14,578
Call it Matt Davis.

402
00:23:14,578 --> 00:23:16,498
And then he's like, Matt Davis.

403
00:23:16,498 --> 00:23:19,231
That's the thing that happened to him.

404
00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:19,561
Yeah.

405
00:23:19,561 --> 00:23:20,281
But you know what?

406
00:23:20,281 --> 00:23:21,530
He got Kiki Dunst.

407
00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:23,911
So everybody can SUCK it.

408
00:23:23,911 --> 00:23:28,701
Um, but anyways, he's like adorable and
totally boyfriend material.

409
00:23:28,701 --> 00:23:31,422
And I had him on my podcast a couple of
times.

410
00:23:31,422 --> 00:23:33,042
And then I've had him on the camera.

411
00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:38,482
And our whole conversation is telling him
to chat to you on his favorite TV.

412
00:23:38,482 --> 00:23:40,902
And I was just like, I'm going to go to
the TV.

413
00:23:40,902 --> 00:23:43,062
And I had to be here as the sponsor.

414
00:23:43,062 --> 00:23:47,843
I think some of his podcasts made him feel
like he was coming from a different world.

415
00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:54,963
Um, but anyway, I was reading this and I
knew how much Molly, Molly and stuff have

416
00:23:54,963 --> 00:23:58,683
been pushing this book on me for months
and I finally read it and I really liked

417
00:23:58,683 --> 00:23:59,023
it.

418
00:23:59,023 --> 00:24:01,691
And I don't know why, what?

419
00:24:01,741 --> 00:24:03,022
It sounded sound.

420
00:24:03,022 --> 00:24:03,842
no.

421
00:24:03,842 --> 00:24:05,542
Okay, no, no.

422
00:24:06,622 --> 00:24:08,242
No, no, no.

423
00:24:08,242 --> 00:24:08,742
No.

424
00:24:08,742 --> 00:24:09,942
This is how it's written.

425
00:24:09,942 --> 00:24:11,742
No, No answers for me.

426
00:24:11,742 --> 00:24:13,533
And...

427
00:24:13,533 --> 00:24:23,493
I just, I'm really really glad that the
chapters were split up by the articles and

428
00:24:23,493 --> 00:24:30,853
novels that Johnny had written for, or
that he had written out in the character's

429
00:24:30,853 --> 00:24:31,733
concert.

430
00:24:31,733 --> 00:24:33,295
And I...

431
00:24:33,295 --> 00:24:38,475
a sucker for a sidekick and Oliver, AKA
Ollie is like a great sidekick.

432
00:24:38,475 --> 00:24:43,675
He's Gabe's like acting best friend and...

433
00:24:43,683 --> 00:24:47,923
he's gay and he's kind of like been
through it in Hollywood like he didn't

434
00:24:47,923 --> 00:24:52,903
come out right away and he just pops up at
all of the right times and there's a

435
00:24:52,903 --> 00:24:58,903
character in Steph's book that I feel is
like very similar and so I was like having

436
00:24:58,903 --> 00:25:04,163
this moment of like oh my gosh he's like
one of my favorites in Steph's book and

437
00:25:04,163 --> 00:25:09,683
this guy Oliver is like you know like so
simp like not similar in personality but

438
00:25:09,683 --> 00:25:10,861
similar in like

439
00:25:10,861 --> 00:25:13,921
the world, like, there's three S -primes
on it.

440
00:25:13,921 --> 00:25:17,591
Which also just comes back to the fact
that it's a positive sense of community,

441
00:25:17,591 --> 00:25:21,601
or so much more important than just the
other two.

442
00:25:21,601 --> 00:25:22,721
Yeah.

443
00:25:22,721 --> 00:25:23,681
Yeah.

444
00:25:24,021 --> 00:25:27,261
So I want to follow up right after this
assessment, right?

445
00:25:27,261 --> 00:25:29,167
And I don't know if you just have a
question.

446
00:25:29,167 --> 00:25:35,647
and him meeting his husband on Halloween
because they have the big meet cute where

447
00:25:35,647 --> 00:25:38,407
they're both dressed as Xena the warrior
princess.

448
00:25:40,107 --> 00:25:44,947
If that doesn't make you read the book, I
don't know what does, but it just has all

449
00:25:44,947 --> 00:25:47,129
these great moments and...

450
00:25:47,129 --> 00:25:50,628
the very start of the boxes for a foot
tour.

451
00:25:50,628 --> 00:25:53,269
But it doesn't have a full course.

452
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:54,549
It's in Montana.

453
00:25:54,549 --> 00:26:01,249
So it's just such a delightful little box
and that's what we're looking for.

454
00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:02,951
And we hope that you'll do it.

455
00:26:02,951 --> 00:26:03,341
them.

456
00:26:03,341 --> 00:26:06,651
And there's, I don't know, you're just
really rooting for them.

457
00:26:06,651 --> 00:26:08,511
And I really needed a book like that.

458
00:26:08,511 --> 00:26:14,691
And so if you are like in a boredom buster
situation or like a slump book situation,

459
00:26:14,691 --> 00:26:16,613
like this would be a really good one.

460
00:26:16,613 --> 00:26:17,513
read, I think.

461
00:26:17,513 --> 00:26:25,853
And then also, I just have to say that
there are moments where I just think this

462
00:26:25,853 --> 00:26:32,073
is starting to work for Sonia because she
gets calls from your side of the country

463
00:26:32,073 --> 00:26:33,843
and I don't think this is a good thing.

464
00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:34,726
I was just on call.

465
00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:35,055
do.

466
00:26:35,055 --> 00:26:36,855
Gowler this for the rest of our lives.

467
00:26:36,855 --> 00:26:37,585
That's one.

468
00:26:37,585 --> 00:26:40,155
Molly is like flustered.

469
00:26:40,175 --> 00:26:45,135
And then the other thing is she's like
this, like she's really into writing and

470
00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:46,437
like she does like,

471
00:26:46,437 --> 00:26:51,017
philosophy stuff, and then she does like,
really like, heartfelt thought -through

472
00:26:51,017 --> 00:26:52,397
stuff, and all of that.

473
00:26:52,397 --> 00:26:56,217
And all of her like, 15 years was like, so
filled with that.

474
00:26:56,217 --> 00:27:02,177
Like, she wrote restaurant books and
travel posts that I still use and send it

475
00:27:02,177 --> 00:27:05,535
to people that are like, yeah, poppin'
pop.

476
00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:11,775
I Still send it to people and use it
myself like when I go on trips, please

477
00:27:11,775 --> 00:27:14,701
like people are like this is like a very

478
00:27:23,585 --> 00:27:28,445
is such a high compliment that I was
really not expecting this world.

479
00:27:28,445 --> 00:27:31,985
No one has ever called me a siren in my
whole life So if even if that only just

480
00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:34,443
happened right now at this table, that's
memorable

481
00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:45,240
Johnny Rollie.

482
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,720
I don't know.

483
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,530
I was like Johnny Rollie.

484
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:53,455
And then the same person that was in the
green, right?

485
00:27:53,455 --> 00:27:56,155
not see that coming or picture that at
all.

486
00:27:56,155 --> 00:27:59,795
But I think that's because Chris Evans is
like from Massachusetts and his dad's a

487
00:27:59,795 --> 00:28:02,467
dentist and like he grew up in a yuppie
town and.

488
00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:06,667
not Montana, or the dad that, well, I'm
not going to give anything away, but

489
00:28:06,667 --> 00:28:07,427
anyway.

490
00:28:07,607 --> 00:28:14,327
So, but I will say that I, at the
beginning of the book, really imagined

491
00:28:14,327 --> 00:28:20,134
Gabe as Kevin from This Is Us, which I
can't think of his real name.

492
00:28:20,134 --> 00:28:23,475
just not just her character.

493
00:28:23,475 --> 00:28:24,875
him that way.

494
00:28:24,875 --> 00:28:28,195
But then the more I thought about it and
the further I got in the book, I was like,

495
00:28:28,195 --> 00:28:32,775
well, in the then section, there's
supposed to be 26 and Justin Hartley does

496
00:28:32,775 --> 00:28:33,995
not look 26 at all.

497
00:28:33,995 --> 00:28:39,335
And it's hard to imagine him as 26, kind
of like in a George Clooney way where it's

498
00:28:39,335 --> 00:28:40,395
like, were you ever young?

499
00:28:40,395 --> 00:28:41,655
I don't know.

500
00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:45,845
And then, no, I did not.

501
00:28:45,845 --> 00:28:46,795
I know what it is though.

502
00:28:46,795 --> 00:28:48,795
He was on that?

503
00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,019
Oh.

504
00:28:50,019 --> 00:28:50,779
Lordy.

505
00:28:50,779 --> 00:28:53,539
Okay, well, anyways, that's for another
day.

506
00:28:53,819 --> 00:28:58,739
But so then when the 10 years later
happens, and they're supposed to be 36, I

507
00:28:58,739 --> 00:29:00,999
was like, Oh, okay, that doesn't really
work.

508
00:29:00,999 --> 00:29:09,259
So I'm not sure who I but somebody that
kind of has that build and that look like

509
00:29:09,259 --> 00:29:14,539
chiseled, but rugged, could rock a beard
doesn't have a beard sometimes where's

510
00:29:14,539 --> 00:29:16,759
flannel, but it's like super tight
flannel.

511
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:17,379
You know what I mean?

512
00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:18,171
Like,

513
00:29:18,622 --> 00:29:21,282
spoon fit can't plan all that well.

514
00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:33,957
what I I wish I could think of who I want
it to be.

515
00:29:34,597 --> 00:29:40,017
But I will say, in their time apart, a lot
of shit goes down.

516
00:29:40,017 --> 00:29:42,317
That's like, very real.

517
00:29:42,317 --> 00:29:45,737
I was rereading my Goodreads review
earlier today, and I talked about how both

518
00:29:45,737 --> 00:29:46,265
of the

519
00:29:46,265 --> 00:29:48,765
characters felt very real and honest.

520
00:29:48,765 --> 00:29:53,845
And as you jump back and forth in time,
you learn about all the things that

521
00:29:53,845 --> 00:29:55,745
happened in the time that they were apart.

522
00:29:55,745 --> 00:29:58,855
And there's like really difficult things.

523
00:29:58,855 --> 00:30:02,565
There's marriage and divorce, there's
substance abuse, there's all kinds of

524
00:30:02,565 --> 00:30:02,945
stuff.

525
00:30:02,945 --> 00:30:08,425
And I love that she didn't overly
romanticize it to the point where it was

526
00:30:08,425 --> 00:30:11,645
like, and then ta -da, they just like
bumped into each other again and

527
00:30:11,645 --> 00:30:12,745
everything was great.

528
00:30:12,745 --> 00:30:16,529
I liked that it took them each being like,

529
00:30:16,697 --> 00:30:19,837
Am I even willing to like go there again
with this person?

530
00:30:19,837 --> 00:30:23,817
Am I willing to let them know all the
things that I've been through since we

531
00:30:23,817 --> 00:30:26,117
last spent any real time together?

532
00:30:26,117 --> 00:30:30,037
And as I often say on this podcast, when
we get to the end of these stories and it

533
00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:33,037
seems like they're not going to get
together, I start to go postal.

534
00:30:33,037 --> 00:30:37,097
And there was a moment towards the end of
the spoke where I was like, this is really

535
00:30:37,097 --> 00:30:37,847
fucking going to happen.

536
00:30:37,847 --> 00:30:42,662
Like it's not going to like, I'm going to
be left in an unhappy way.

537
00:30:42,662 --> 00:30:47,622
Can you just let me know when you're
exactly going to have no options in this

538
00:30:47,622 --> 00:30:48,502
book?

539
00:30:48,579 --> 00:30:52,139
I was kind of like, well, that makes
sense.

540
00:30:52,139 --> 00:30:56,899
Like it was so realistic in that way.

541
00:30:57,959 --> 00:31:03,079
That when there, yeah, when there was the
moment of pause where you were like, oh,

542
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:04,579
they kind of went for it.

543
00:31:04,579 --> 00:31:07,119
And now they're like pulling back on that.

544
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,869
And, and it was like, I totally understood
why.

545
00:31:12,547 --> 00:31:15,207
the character that becomes reluctant does.

546
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:19,167
And I was like, they're probably like
being smart.

547
00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:21,827
And I just want them to leap.

548
00:31:21,918 --> 00:31:27,598
this is, this is, I don't know what you
call this, like subgenre of romance books,

549
00:31:27,598 --> 00:31:33,218
but like Tia Williams does it too, where
it's like so rooted in realistic aspects

550
00:31:33,218 --> 00:31:39,558
that it like sits differently with me than
like the lighter stuff where it's just

551
00:31:39,558 --> 00:31:41,609
like, this is so unrealistic.

552
00:31:41,609 --> 00:31:46,089
this would never happen, I feel like these
things could happen in real life.

553
00:31:46,129 --> 00:31:47,074
And it's not.

554
00:31:47,074 --> 00:31:47,954
just light and fluffy.

555
00:31:47,954 --> 00:31:49,814
There are traumas going on.

556
00:31:49,814 --> 00:31:53,694
And I think that's why they sit within me
longer.

557
00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:56,274
And I feel stronger about them.

558
00:31:56,274 --> 00:32:02,674
I really want you to read her second book
because it has the same feel.

559
00:32:02,774 --> 00:32:03,914
Yes.

560
00:32:04,473 --> 00:32:07,075
called One More Time With Feeling.

561
00:32:07,075 --> 00:32:09,755
Oh, that's a great Regina Spector song.

562
00:32:10,515 --> 00:32:12,775
Do I have it?

563
00:32:16,235 --> 00:32:20,135
I'm going to have to dig.

564
00:32:20,135 --> 00:32:21,394
I don't know where that is.

565
00:32:21,394 --> 00:32:27,294
stars, one who was sort of like a Britney
Spears type singer and then one who was in

566
00:32:27,294 --> 00:32:30,008
a boy band very like in sync -esque.

567
00:32:30,209 --> 00:32:32,109
Crush Zone.

568
00:32:35,609 --> 00:32:41,929
And, you know, in the past, they were, you
know, camp kids.

569
00:32:41,938 --> 00:32:46,138
were just sort of like striving for that
dream and then made it.

570
00:32:46,138 --> 00:32:50,298
And then in the present, they are not
doing well.

571
00:32:50,298 --> 00:32:57,978
You know, one is off Broadway and one is
struggling to sort of make ends meet.

572
00:32:58,117 --> 00:33:01,657
And so that also has a realistic aspect.

573
00:33:01,657 --> 00:33:09,181
It's not likely to hit the billboards,
continuing for another year.

574
00:33:10,534 --> 00:33:18,154
I just, I'm coming around to not linear
timelines when they're done like this,

575
00:33:18,154 --> 00:33:23,669
because there's just so much, that one
especially.

576
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:32,189
you have the aspect of the teenager and
the past, first love and unknowns and

577
00:33:32,189 --> 00:33:38,509
first times, which this morning on the
front desk is not a serotonin, it's a

578
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:39,109
mustard.

579
00:33:40,229 --> 00:33:43,549
I don't know, I just love Alyssa's book
screening.

580
00:33:44,121 --> 00:33:52,081
I need to share that she has another book
coming out September 17th called...

581
00:33:52,081 --> 00:33:53,301
Oh!

582
00:33:53,301 --> 00:33:58,361
Called Totally and Completely Fine and
speaking of side characters it's about

583
00:33:58,361 --> 00:34:00,603
Gabe's sister Lauren.

584
00:34:00,803 --> 00:34:02,063
Lauren?

585
00:34:02,063 --> 00:34:04,983
Oh, God, but I wanted an Oliver book.

586
00:34:05,003 --> 00:34:06,843
But she seemed nice.

587
00:34:06,843 --> 00:34:12,843
There wasn't a lot with her though, except
that she might, she might, um, I'm not

588
00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:14,069
gonna give anything away.

589
00:34:14,211 --> 00:34:15,931
I'm not gonna give anything away.

590
00:34:15,931 --> 00:34:17,243
I'm not gonna do it.

591
00:34:19,001 --> 00:34:22,761
You'll be hearing more about Alyssa
Sussman, I think, as the year rolls on.

592
00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:30,591
But yeah, I think also, that's what I was
just going to say.

593
00:34:30,591 --> 00:34:34,621
I feel like there are so many different
kinds of romance books, and some of them

594
00:34:34,621 --> 00:34:37,401
really are just like the bodice ripper
type.

595
00:34:37,461 --> 00:34:39,541
And this is so well written.

596
00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:40,611
It's funny.

597
00:34:40,611 --> 00:34:41,761
It's smart.

598
00:34:41,761 --> 00:34:42,761
It's honest.

599
00:34:42,761 --> 00:34:44,301
It's realistic.

600
00:34:44,401 --> 00:34:46,667
It doesn't feel like.

601
00:34:46,895 --> 00:34:48,885
saddling in a home or anything.

602
00:34:48,885 --> 00:34:52,015
It's like, this could've happened to you,
but this could've happened.

603
00:34:52,015 --> 00:34:53,909
And I think that's what we're doing.

604
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:59,529
feel more enjoyable because you didn't
have to suspend reality to believe that

605
00:34:59,529 --> 00:35:03,351
these people could be actually having this
experience.

606
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:03,351
life.

607
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:04,411
I think so too.

608
00:35:04,411 --> 00:35:10,231
You see the copper though, you might think
it's separate, just the bulk of it.

609
00:35:10,331 --> 00:35:18,971
You know, you're like, validating that
it's deceptive, in that way, um, I have

610
00:35:18,971 --> 00:35:20,791
problems with coppers.

611
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:25,219
Yes.

612
00:35:25,219 --> 00:35:28,519
clutching and grasping and shirtless and
Fabio.

613
00:35:31,699 --> 00:35:35,977
No, not with this one, but with a lot of
them they tried.

614
00:35:35,977 --> 00:35:39,127
I think this is if you are listening to
this and you are someone who is just like,

615
00:35:39,127 --> 00:35:40,457
I'm definitely not a romance person.

616
00:35:40,457 --> 00:35:43,596
Try this book and see what you think.

617
00:35:43,596 --> 00:35:48,577
It's it's in a different kind of category
that I think is more accessible and more

618
00:35:48,577 --> 00:35:49,167
fun.

619
00:35:49,167 --> 00:35:57,007
and if you're somebody that likes movies
and premieres and gossip and all of that

620
00:35:57,007 --> 00:35:59,963
stuff, like you're gonna really like it.

621
00:36:00,217 --> 00:36:01,397
Agreed.

622
00:36:01,697 --> 00:36:04,557
Let's tell the people who are reading now.

623
00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:08,090
just finished late last night because I
couldn't stop.

624
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:13,290
I just read Local Woman Missing by Mary
Kubica.

625
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:14,760
Is that how we pronounce her name?

626
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,390
This is actually the second book of hers
that I've read.

627
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:23,910
The other one I read is, I think it's
called The Good Girls or The Good Girl.

628
00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:25,910
The Good Girl.

629
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:28,230
This book...

630
00:36:29,053 --> 00:36:32,893
I think I'm going to pick up because I
just saw it in a free book.

631
00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:39,613
And it sounds like a bizarre book, but I
was wondering if it's a little like big

632
00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:43,089
little box in the back that takes place in
this one neighborhood.

633
00:36:43,172 --> 00:36:48,435
Well, it's not funny.

634
00:36:48,435 --> 00:36:52,115
kind of how the other one sounded, the
house and the pines one.

635
00:36:52,115 --> 00:36:54,875
That sounded big little eyes -ish too.

636
00:36:56,095 --> 00:36:56,795
Darker.

637
00:36:56,795 --> 00:36:57,434
Okay.

638
00:36:57,434 --> 00:37:06,074
one, so the premise is that it's this
suburb of Chicago where a young mother

639
00:37:06,074 --> 00:37:07,914
goes out running and disappears.

640
00:37:07,914 --> 00:37:15,134
And then like a week or two later, another
mother and her daughter both disappear.

641
00:37:15,134 --> 00:37:19,054
So I went into it thinking this is going
to be like a serial serial killer type

642
00:37:19,054 --> 00:37:19,234
book.

643
00:37:19,234 --> 00:37:20,674
And it's not about that at all.

644
00:37:20,674 --> 00:37:21,195
It's

645
00:37:21,195 --> 00:37:22,606
obviously is...

646
00:37:22,606 --> 00:37:29,626
discovering what happened to those three
people, but it's more about this one

647
00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:35,766
neighbor and the son in the family where
the mom and daughter disappeared, what his

648
00:37:35,766 --> 00:37:37,866
life is like now 10 years later.

649
00:37:37,866 --> 00:37:42,506
So it's over the course of 11 years, it's
past and present.

650
00:37:42,506 --> 00:37:46,256
In the past, it starts off with the first
woman who goes missing.

651
00:37:46,256 --> 00:37:49,407
It's about her the night that she
disappears.

652
00:37:49,407 --> 00:37:52,245
And then it's from the perspective of the
mother.

653
00:37:52,245 --> 00:37:56,205
disappearing, a star leading out of her.

654
00:37:56,706 --> 00:38:05,146
And then it's this neighbor who lives next
door and her watching after they've both

655
00:38:05,146 --> 00:38:10,166
disappeared, watching the neighborhood
sort of fall apart and media circus

656
00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:11,576
descend upon the neighborhood.

657
00:38:11,576 --> 00:38:19,159
And it's more about like the relationships
between, you know, like the girls who...

658
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:21,873
might stay with this daughter, other
girls.

659
00:38:21,873 --> 00:38:23,333
daughter, and the other daughter.

660
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:26,473
It's more that sort of stuff.

661
00:38:26,653 --> 00:38:27,722
The funeral.

662
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:30,482
lives of like a neighborhood.

663
00:38:30,722 --> 00:38:33,062
It's quick chapters.

664
00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:37,982
It wasn't as murdery and dark as the
previous book that I was reading.

665
00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:41,482
I really loved it and I read it in I think
three days.

666
00:38:41,482 --> 00:38:47,122
So if anyone wants like a little bit later
on the murdery side.

667
00:38:47,642 --> 00:38:48,838
And...

668
00:38:48,859 --> 00:38:51,835
I did that.

669
00:38:52,022 --> 00:38:56,102
figure out the ending, which is like a
rare thing for me.

670
00:38:58,762 --> 00:39:04,142
I was convinced a third of the way in that
I had figured it out and I got stronger

671
00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:08,042
and stronger thinking that I had figured
it out until something happened and I was

672
00:39:08,042 --> 00:39:11,782
like, whoa, she just pulled the rug out
from underneath me.

673
00:39:12,043 --> 00:39:17,983
okay, I Know that I gave you this book,
but I don't know who read it yet But the

674
00:39:17,983 --> 00:39:21,166
one by Ashley Flowers all good people here

675
00:39:21,166 --> 00:39:24,387
I do have that somewhere in my bedroom.

676
00:39:24,387 --> 00:39:28,027
right now, that's the next one you should
do because I thought I had that one

677
00:39:28,027 --> 00:39:30,107
figured out and I didn't.

678
00:39:30,187 --> 00:39:36,007
And it's like, it's one of those books
where setting kind of is like an

679
00:39:36,007 --> 00:39:38,217
additional character and it's, it's very
good.

680
00:39:38,217 --> 00:39:39,597
I really liked it.

681
00:39:39,597 --> 00:39:43,987
And my brother recommended that one to me
and he is kind of picky about his

682
00:39:43,987 --> 00:39:44,437
mysteries.

683
00:39:44,437 --> 00:39:49,237
And so I trusted him and I was right to do
that because it was good.

684
00:39:49,237 --> 00:39:51,161
So move that up your pile.

685
00:39:52,035 --> 00:39:58,115
Um, I cruised through a book, speaking of
my brother, I cruised through a book in

686
00:39:58,115 --> 00:40:07,515
two days called She Rides Shotgun by
Jordan Harper and Zeebo, who gave us the

687
00:40:07,515 --> 00:40:10,415
name for this podcast, is my brother's
best friend.

688
00:40:10,415 --> 00:40:14,995
And he and my brother both are huge Jordan
Harper fans.

689
00:40:14,995 --> 00:40:20,175
And I write Jordan Harper's newer book
called Everybody Knows recently.

690
00:40:20,175 --> 00:40:22,299
And that one's about...

691
00:40:22,341 --> 00:40:28,741
a police agent who has a lot of secrets
and he showed up earlier and there's a

692
00:40:28,741 --> 00:40:33,741
part that their entire job is cleaning up
all these messes which are the rest of the

693
00:40:33,741 --> 00:40:34,421
day.

694
00:40:34,421 --> 00:40:39,421
You know, just who we work with, like, who
is in charge of those things.

695
00:40:39,541 --> 00:40:43,923
And this part, like, the person has like a
journey.

696
00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:47,723
moment and is literally like, I'm actually
going to do the right thing.

697
00:40:47,723 --> 00:40:50,689
And this is the person that's going to be
like my pariah.

698
00:40:50,745 --> 00:40:52,465
And so that happens with the sexist.

699
00:40:52,465 --> 00:40:55,045
So I'm just gonna sort of use that.

700
00:40:55,345 --> 00:40:57,765
And I'm gonna find a way to make this
work.

701
00:40:57,765 --> 00:41:00,665
I was like, oh no, no, no, no.

702
00:41:00,665 --> 00:41:06,185
And I'm gonna use the premises of this guy
when I get time to go.

703
00:41:06,785 --> 00:41:12,665
He has gotten himself into a lot of
mischief with pretty smart, like, premises

704
00:41:12,665 --> 00:41:15,565
group that has like chocolate and
chocolate.

705
00:41:17,111 --> 00:41:18,651
And, um,

706
00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:21,125
he was recently taken to jail for prison.

707
00:41:21,305 --> 00:41:27,745
He recently goes and parties with his
electrical daughter at the college school.

708
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,815
And it is basically like, I kind of want
to see the other two.

709
00:41:30,815 --> 00:41:33,425
You're put down in the car and it's really
weird.

710
00:41:33,545 --> 00:41:37,765
And they start talking all over, and I'll
forget that they've been on the plane ever

711
00:41:37,765 --> 00:41:45,123
because there's like a great light on his
daughter, her light on what just happened.

712
00:41:45,123 --> 00:41:46,763
and her mom.

713
00:41:47,203 --> 00:41:48,123
And...

714
00:41:48,205 --> 00:41:48,971
my...

715
00:41:48,971 --> 00:41:53,011
away, but he finds the mom first and she's
already dead.

716
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:54,891
So he's like, okay, this is bad.

717
00:41:54,891 --> 00:41:56,691
And so he goes and gets her.

718
00:41:56,691 --> 00:42:01,191
And then they like basically become
partners in crime literally.

719
00:42:01,191 --> 00:42:05,971
And they like devise a plan on how they're
going to like get the green light lifted.

720
00:42:05,971 --> 00:42:07,571
It is fast paced.

721
00:42:07,571 --> 00:42:09,111
It's fascinating.

722
00:42:09,151 --> 00:42:13,011
The whole thing is told in the third
person, but the chapters are all focused

723
00:42:13,011 --> 00:42:14,311
on a different character.

724
00:42:14,311 --> 00:42:16,401
And it even includes.

725
00:42:16,401 --> 00:42:23,101
this dominant, protective part who is
trying to fight the fall which is

726
00:42:23,101 --> 00:42:24,401
considered inept.

727
00:42:24,401 --> 00:42:26,941
And on the outside, it looks like it's
right.

728
00:42:26,941 --> 00:42:28,661
It's a bad seed that I'm going to kill.

729
00:42:28,661 --> 00:42:30,021
It's an inept dog.

730
00:42:30,021 --> 00:42:33,301
It's a white, fensomite that doesn't look
like it.

731
00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:36,567
And that's a totally inept dog that's
calling for life.

732
00:42:36,567 --> 00:42:40,197
And so then you see other people's
perspective on the same story.

733
00:42:40,197 --> 00:42:45,147
And then you also see the perspective of
the daughter getting to know her dad under

734
00:42:45,147 --> 00:42:47,009
this really bizarre,

735
00:42:47,009 --> 00:42:52,488
certain stance, and how she feels about
it, like Simon's case and the grief of her

736
00:42:52,488 --> 00:42:53,429
mom.

737
00:42:53,909 --> 00:42:59,709
It's really, it really puts a punch, it's
really that, I think we should do an

738
00:42:59,709 --> 00:43:05,009
episode about it, because I would love to
hear what you think of it.

739
00:43:05,723 --> 00:43:10,583
And I haven't figured out what my next
read is going to be yet.

740
00:43:10,583 --> 00:43:12,493
I haven't narrowed down to two.

741
00:43:12,493 --> 00:43:13,893
You have the act.

742
00:43:13,893 --> 00:43:15,843
I see how this will be.

743
00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:20,133
I have the so -called most light tape.

744
00:43:20,133 --> 00:43:23,853
And Sarah has the grade, which I wrote it.

745
00:43:23,853 --> 00:43:25,243
And I think I've read it.

746
00:43:25,243 --> 00:43:26,353
That's what it means.

747
00:43:26,353 --> 00:43:27,995
I do have a copy of it.

748
00:43:27,995 --> 00:43:29,515
new book, a newer book.

749
00:43:29,515 --> 00:43:33,415
And it's basically it follows four girls
who are best friends.

750
00:43:33,415 --> 00:43:39,255
And from the get go, you know that one of
them is like the future first female

751
00:43:39,255 --> 00:43:44,109
president of the United States, but you
don't know until the end which one it is.

752
00:43:44,109 --> 00:43:45,955
and they all come back to you.

753
00:43:45,955 --> 00:43:49,455
and they're all like successful in
different ways.

754
00:43:49,475 --> 00:43:51,265
And so that one sounds really interesting.

755
00:43:51,265 --> 00:43:57,455
And then the other one is a book called
Hollow Fires by Samira Ahmed.

756
00:43:57,455 --> 00:44:02,195
And this one is about like a budding
journalist in high school and she

757
00:44:02,195 --> 00:44:08,195
investigates this boy when he's 14, his
name is Jawad Ali.

758
00:44:08,195 --> 00:44:14,019
He builds a cosplay jetback that his
teacher thinks is a bomb.

759
00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:20,321
And so he gets a breach of your profile,
all this like bad stuff, gets arrested,

760
00:44:20,421 --> 00:44:23,461
and he gets labeled as a terrorist, all
this other stuff.

761
00:44:23,461 --> 00:44:29,201
So he's related to this other girl who I
believe, she's a fun one, plus a

762
00:44:29,201 --> 00:44:30,201
character, I think.

763
00:44:30,201 --> 00:44:32,321
Her name's Sophia Merza.

764
00:44:32,601 --> 00:44:38,941
She basically takes on this high school
project of like explaining everything

765
00:44:38,941 --> 00:44:41,831
that's happening in my profile that I
hear.

766
00:44:41,831 --> 00:44:43,611
brings attention to.

767
00:44:43,613 --> 00:44:45,303
it.

768
00:44:45,303 --> 00:44:46,883
these United States.

769
00:44:46,963 --> 00:44:49,803
So that one's like a Y, they're both YA.

770
00:44:50,383 --> 00:44:52,483
I'm going to do one of them first.

771
00:44:52,483 --> 00:44:56,183
I don't know which one yet though, but
Steph already voted for one.

772
00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:57,977
So, well.

773
00:44:59,094 --> 00:45:01,374
I feel like we have to go over 200 points.

774
00:45:01,374 --> 00:45:02,434
Okay.

775
00:45:06,361 --> 00:45:12,301
also was in YA land this week I finished
20 minutes before we recorded this podcast

776
00:45:12,301 --> 00:45:15,875
a good girl's guide to murder by Holly
Jackson

777
00:45:15,875 --> 00:45:17,874
gonna be our next episode.

778
00:45:17,874 --> 00:45:23,194
So I'm not gonna say too much because we
are gonna talk about our next episode, but

779
00:45:23,194 --> 00:45:28,054
I will say, I didn't know anything about
this going in.

780
00:45:28,054 --> 00:45:31,934
I went totally blind just on the
recommendation from those two of you guys.

781
00:45:31,934 --> 00:45:36,165
And there's a lot of interesting
reformatting that we're gonna do.

782
00:45:36,165 --> 00:45:39,965
written because sometimes she's
transcribing conversations with people.

783
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:43,825
Sometimes she's doing sort of journal
-like entries about progress towards this

784
00:45:43,825 --> 00:45:45,305
project she's doing.

785
00:45:45,405 --> 00:45:47,371
I think for the first...

786
00:45:47,466 --> 00:45:52,566
half, I was like, okay, like, I'm not
gonna check where this is going, I'm not

787
00:45:52,566 --> 00:45:54,593
gonna check, I'm like, totally in.

788
00:45:54,665 --> 00:45:58,105
then the back third of the book I like
couldn't put it down I had to know what

789
00:45:58,105 --> 00:46:02,265
was gonna happen there were all kinds of
new twists and turns I'll leave it there

790
00:46:02,265 --> 00:46:05,845
because we are gonna deep dive more but I
need to say that the main character's name

791
00:46:05,845 --> 00:46:09,705
is Pippa but she goes by Pipp great
expectations is one of my favorite books

792
00:46:09,705 --> 00:46:13,025
of all time I was like oh I already like
this cuz her name is Pipp

793
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:26,219
bought the second book as well in that
series, which I forget what it's called.

794
00:46:26,219 --> 00:46:33,079
And then Holly Jackson had her had another
book come out this week.

795
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,168
So I believe April 1 she had

796
00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:40,468
another book come out which is not from
the series but it's about an airplane

797
00:46:40,468 --> 00:46:43,128
flooding investigative journalism.

798
00:46:43,268 --> 00:46:48,207
And the sounds of it sounds like...

799
00:46:48,207 --> 00:46:52,947
person is trying to figure out something
that's happened in their family and

800
00:46:52,947 --> 00:46:58,187
they're being followed by a podcasting
crew in the midst of them trying to figure

801
00:46:58,187 --> 00:46:59,127
it out.

802
00:46:59,127 --> 00:47:01,222
So that's a different angle.

803
00:47:01,222 --> 00:47:02,762
Yeah, for sure.

804
00:47:03,602 --> 00:47:08,222
If you guys want to follow all of the
books we've chatted about, this obviously

805
00:47:08,222 --> 00:47:08,982
is a good thing.

806
00:47:08,982 --> 00:47:12,882
So come and give us a call on Instagram at
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807
00:47:12,882 --> 00:47:16,981
You can also write to us at Linesarevoted,
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808
00:47:16,981 --> 00:47:18,681
books that you'd like for us to chat
through.

809
00:47:18,681 --> 00:47:20,319
We love to hear from you.

810
00:47:21,186 --> 00:47:24,668
And until next time, our plans are booked.