CEOAFTERDARK

In this episode of the CEOAFTERDARK Podcast, George Kapernaros sits down with Kath Pay — one of the earliest pioneers of email marketing. With 27+ years of experience, Kath shares how she went from running a web design company in Australia to launching one of the first email marketing platforms, and why she still believes email is stronger than ever.

Kath explains what “holistic email marketing” really means, how to align strategy with business goals, and how to handle the constant pressure for revenue targets. We also explore her new Holistic Email Academy and discuss how AI is reshaping — but not replacing — the role of marketers.

If you’re in retention, CRM, or just curious about the future of email marketing, this episode is packed with timeless lessons and fresh insights.

What is CEOAFTERDARK?

Ever wonder what drives a CEO when nobody's watching? Every Thursday, tune into the CEOAFTERDARK podcast to hear a raw conversation with a hyper-successful business owner. Your host, George Kapernaros, is the CEO of YOCTO, a leading e-commerce CRM agency. Now, he's focused on getting to know these leaders as real people.

We're talking about the ups and downs they don't usually share. You'll hear about their personal challenges, their big wins, and everything in between. It's not just about their successes, but also the tough times and what keeps them going.

This podcast is perfect for anyone curious about what it takes to run a successful online business. Whether you're dreaming of starting your own company, already running one, or just love a good success story, these chats are for you.

So, grab your headphones and join us on CEOAFTERDARK. It's where the real stories of e-commerce leaders come to light – the stuff they only talk about after hours.