1 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:08,730 Coming to you from crash studios in Music City, USA. Nashville. 2 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:12,510 This is the rich Redmond show. 3 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:18,689 What's up, folks? Yep, your iPhone. Your watch is correct. 4 00:00:18,689 --> 00:00:21,329 It's time for another exciting episode of the rich Redmond 5 00:00:21,329 --> 00:00:25,169 show. We talk about all things music, motivation, success, 6 00:00:25,379 --> 00:00:27,839 talking about a lot of things, but he's the things that drive 7 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:30,749 us. And I've got a lot of musician friends. It's the low 8 00:00:30,749 --> 00:00:34,799 hanging fruit that drummer in the forest, the fruit is hanging 9 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:37,949 and these are my friends. It's a beautiful fraternity sorority, 10 00:00:37,949 --> 00:00:41,279 we always get to kibitz we go into a bar drummers. We're going 11 00:00:41,279 --> 00:00:45,029 to close the place down talking about gear widgets, or favorite 12 00:00:45,029 --> 00:00:48,659 drummers. And usually I have my co hosts here co producer Jim 13 00:00:48,659 --> 00:00:51,749 McCarthy, Jim McCarthy voice overs.com. Jim is on some sort 14 00:00:51,749 --> 00:00:54,359 of a sojourn on the east coast. But that just means I get this 15 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:59,249 man all to myself, and a very special guest today. Today's 16 00:00:59,249 --> 00:01:03,359 guest originally from Long Island, New York, and along with 17 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,869 Brian Setzer and Lee rocker formed the iconic band the stray 18 00:01:06,869 --> 00:01:10,619 cats and spearheaded the Neo rockabilly movement of the early 19 00:01:10,619 --> 00:01:15,149 1980s. Since then, cementing himself as rock and roll 20 00:01:15,149 --> 00:01:18,329 royalty. I'm talking about our new friends slim, Jim, Phantom. 21 00:01:18,329 --> 00:01:23,729 What's up, Jim? Hey, rich, you know how to those levels? Right, 22 00:01:23,729 --> 00:01:27,689 left, right, right, left, right, left level 100 times a hotel 23 00:01:27,689 --> 00:01:31,739 room, and everything's cool. Yeah, man. Well, I you know, 24 00:01:31,739 --> 00:01:34,229 this has been a long time in the making. It's up. There's a 25 00:01:34,229 --> 00:01:36,359 session drummer here in Nashville taught me this phrase, 26 00:01:36,509 --> 00:01:40,769 Chad promo, this phrase called herding cats. And you run get 27 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:45,149 getting a podcast together and keeping your guests scheduled. 28 00:01:45,179 --> 00:01:49,289 It is like herding cats. Because everybody's so busy. You know? 29 00:01:50,039 --> 00:01:54,839 It's a really it's a good man. I think there's a lot of us, but 30 00:01:54,839 --> 00:01:59,039 it's at the same time. It's a rare few good drummers, you 31 00:01:59,039 --> 00:02:03,629 know, and yeah, good drummer, I think and rock and roll. Country 32 00:02:03,629 --> 00:02:06,989 music, jazz swing America. Do you have a good drummer? 33 00:02:07,169 --> 00:02:10,859 Anything else is possible? Absolutely. And the bad drummer 34 00:02:10,859 --> 00:02:15,929 can take a great band and just anchor it sinking and go any 35 00:02:15,929 --> 00:02:18,869 further. Unless you have a good drummer. That's the only thing 36 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:22,319 and that's why. That's why everyone's busy. Yeah, and there 37 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:26,189 was no and your band the stray cats. There was no hiding. There 38 00:02:26,189 --> 00:02:28,739 was only three of you. There was no computers, there was no 39 00:02:28,739 --> 00:02:31,139 tricks. It was like you count the song off. And there's three 40 00:02:31,139 --> 00:02:34,559 guys I gotta make an app. Exactly. There was no rock time 41 00:02:34,559 --> 00:02:38,999 to hide behind. Yeah. Now you know, you've played on of 42 00:02:38,999 --> 00:02:40,559 course, other projects. Of course, we're going to talk 43 00:02:40,559 --> 00:02:43,259 about the stray cats delineates the history, all that kind of 44 00:02:43,259 --> 00:02:46,559 stuff. Because aren't you guys celebrating? 45 years? Yes, we 45 00:02:46,559 --> 00:02:47,549 did. 40 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,550 we formed the 1979 47 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:55,410 on Long Island and played the CBGBs Max's Kansas City, 48 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:59,220 although well known, like New York City joins, we were our 49 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:04,230 towns like 45 minutes outside on the train line. So the Jones 50 00:03:04,230 --> 00:03:08,340 Beach would be the famous place anyone heard of by us. 51 00:03:10,350 --> 00:03:14,850 And we really worked at it, to be honest with you, we were by 52 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:19,230 the time that we were overnight sensations ever we had played 53 00:03:19,230 --> 00:03:22,200 you know, 200 gigs, four sets a night, five nights a week kind 54 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,320 of thing for for for a couple of years. And 55 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:33,090 we we just loved it we we found rockabilly music. And we all 56 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:33,660 played 57 00:03:35,580 --> 00:03:39,930 red and wrote music took lessons I just studied from an old jazz 58 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:44,370 got a mousy, Alexander Yes, that's heavy man. Wow. Dinah 59 00:03:44,370 --> 00:03:48,300 Washington and he was like, and he was in our neighborhood. And 60 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:50,310 he really was he had a goatee and 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,370 you know, Ben Ray and he said Daddy oh and Cat Cat man. Yeah. 62 00:03:57,690 --> 00:03:59,250 You know, and he gave lessons and he 63 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:03,060 we went through title needing you know, Jim cheap and all the 64 00:04:03,060 --> 00:04:06,540 books. And you know, I love that you did the TED read book 65 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:11,310 especially the page 38 But but but but but but but, but it's 66 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:14,910 such a famous PAGE PAGE 38 And I still use it to this day to get 67 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:18,600 my students you know, reading exactly, and the you know, the 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,650 few back pages where it's just a where where he has accent 69 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:26,430 triplets on the different ones and the different it's still I 70 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:28,830 mean, there's 100 of them. I can 71 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:33,060 honestly say I use about seven of them all the time you know? 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,270 It's you know, it still stays in my head. If I'm trying some fill 73 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:42,480 on stage sometimes. I don't know like if a specific line but the 74 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,850 tape read the cover and the pops into my head. Yeah, I can all 75 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:51,540 the sudden see and hear the one triplet two triplet thinking 76 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,240 about thinking oh, that's a good Phil buppa buppa buppa buppa 77 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,770 buppa have the 10 reflections in my head. But um, so so we all 78 00:04:58,770 --> 00:05:00,000 took lessons and we were on 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,130 We were the three guys in school that 80 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:08,370 played. And if there was a keg party or someone's parents were 81 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:11,550 out of town if there was a wreck dance or like we were the ones I 82 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:12,330 played at it 83 00:05:13,710 --> 00:05:18,750 and lead partisan probably 70 or 79. We, me I know for a fact. 84 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:23,520 Just trying to find out the same as us all good. Who does? 85 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:28,350 Beatles like who did the Rolling Stones again? You like 86 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,710 invariably you wind up on Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochran, Chuck 87 00:05:31,710 --> 00:05:36,360 Berry, Little Richard Johnny Burnett, that Jerry Lee Lewis 88 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:42,030 and then the Gene Vincent. And then ultimately I found the the 89 00:05:42,030 --> 00:05:44,310 sun recordings of Elvis Presley. 90 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:48,660 The world stopped spinning for a billionth of a second and I knew 91 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:53,730 exactly what to do. And I had long hair, I had flares. I had 92 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:57,570 Adidas had a tennis shirt. And I was going to be a drummer one 93 00:05:57,570 --> 00:06:01,590 way or another. I didn't know how or wait or what, but, but 94 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:05,370 that day, I heard Elvis Presley I saw the photographs of the 95 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:07,830 because we knew Elvis Presley, right? Everyone did we didn't 96 00:06:07,860 --> 00:06:08,460 know well. 97 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:13,590 You're against it. But when I found out what the beginning 98 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:13,980 was, 99 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,230 through Beatles and stones and the rest, I I just changed my 100 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:23,430 life. I went into the city, which was that 10 train stops, I 101 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:27,960 cut all my hair off and walked across the street. 102 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,090 Detroit it in my 103 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:33,660 my Adidas for some blue suede shoes. 104 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:36,420 I traded in my flares. 105 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:40,860 Down the street a bit further. For some Ricky Ricardo pants, we 106 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:44,040 would call him and then I had no tennis shirt, you know, with an 107 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,010 alligator on I left that behind that I got a bowling shirt. And 108 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:50,550 I just went home. And that was my life. No matter what I was 109 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:53,610 going to do. I was going to play the drums and look that way 110 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:57,240 while I went to school worked at the liquor store, like whatever 111 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,420 I was doing. And we had the other two had the same 112 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,210 experience. And we all knew each other and like Holy mackerel, 113 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:06,900 did you I didn't know that existed either. And we just did 114 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:11,580 it. And as we do and while we could play like maybe once a 115 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:14,040 month at some of these famous rock clubs. We weren't 116 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,190 interested in that as much as we were like, every night we got to 117 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:20,670 play four sets and like this little buddy holly song we found 118 00:07:20,670 --> 00:07:25,440 is the new Eddie Cochran had two albums. And we just lived it to 119 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,760 stores and you know, diners and we wound up making a pretty good 120 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,870 living from it when we were very young. Yeah. By finding old man 121 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:36,630 bars, just places that might have had a pool table that we, 122 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:40,170 you know, moved out of the way because they the TRad rock 123 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:42,720 clubs, and then the clubs in the city. We were a little bit even 124 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,050 too weird for it. They knew punk rock, they knew New Wave, they 125 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:48,690 knew disco. They knew the blues, they knew. 126 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:54,660 Dixie Fried Rock, I mean, they like knew that kinds of what we 127 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:58,260 were doing was even that was the most American thing. It was very 128 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:03,570 unheard of. And finally, so we just found all these places that 129 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:06,690 would have us play. So we did this place every Tuesday, this 130 00:08:06,690 --> 00:08:09,780 place every Wednesday up above. And we made money every night 131 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:12,960 because we packed out people who weren't rockabilly, but they 132 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,410 found us. We had a following. They look like dazed and 133 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:19,470 confused. You know, like that exact whatever. 1979 looked 134 00:08:19,470 --> 00:08:22,590 like. Yeah, they were and they just went everywhere we went we 135 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:25,620 had a couple 100 people every night. Okay, here's this 1950s 136 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:30,510 music and in 1979 You guys are already, you know, two decades 137 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:35,100 have gone back and you're creating a resurgence. Yeah, 138 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:38,400 because it was right there what we say now what I say now is you 139 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,150 know, rockabilly is hiding in plain sight is staring you right 140 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:44,970 in the face. Do you like the Beatles? Yes. Well, then you 141 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:48,120 like Carl Perkins? Do you like The Rolling Stones? Yes. Well, 142 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,690 then you like Bo Diddley, do you like Pete Townsend and who are 143 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:54,780 yes, well, then you like Eddie Cochran it's like very easily 144 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:58,860 proven stuff. So you're not going to trade in your, you 145 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:03,030 know, Led Zeppelin records, but I can tell you this for a fact 146 00:09:03,060 --> 00:09:07,050 Jimmy Page and Robert Plant they love Carl Perkins, you know, you 147 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:10,290 know, that's where it comes from. And then you factor the 148 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:12,900 blues in the original blues, Howlin Wolf and muddy waters and 149 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:17,370 and, and then go back a little further to the jump blues. We 150 00:09:17,370 --> 00:09:22,410 had. We found Amos Milburn and Louis Jordan and the I love 151 00:09:22,410 --> 00:09:25,440 Louis Jordan, man, if our Friday night fish fry, come on. actly, 152 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,010 right. And you find that and we found all that at the same time 153 00:09:29,010 --> 00:09:33,690 and we wanted to, you know, you know, make that combination of 154 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:38,220 of influences and we and you were killing it you were you 155 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:41,850 were getting your 10,000 hours together, creating your look 156 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:43,200 creating a following 157 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:47,730 and, and making some money. So you didn't have to go get a job. 158 00:09:47,970 --> 00:09:51,360 It's great. Without knowing what any of it was. That's the beauty 159 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,320 of it. That's where it kind of, maybe ignorance is bliss. That's 160 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,520 just what you did. I can't say that we planned it any more than 161 00:09:59,520 --> 00:09:59,970 that and it 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,430 was a, you know, a beautiful thing. It was good that one play 163 00:10:02,430 --> 00:10:03,180 bass one plays 164 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:07,440 the drums than the other two much more than me. They're like 165 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,080 virtuoso kind of players in there. They 166 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:14,310 they were just good at it ever since that do you go back 167 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:16,830 further with Lee you guys were like do each other at 12 years 168 00:10:16,830 --> 00:10:19,200 old, right? Well, all of us. 169 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:22,740 We went to the same grammar school the same everything Lee 170 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:26,850 and I are in the same class actually, is two years old and 171 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,180 which now when someone's 80, and someone 78, it doesn't matter. 172 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:34,200 But like when you were 14 and 1214 and 16, then it really 173 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,880 matter. And he was a brilliant is was always a, you know, a 174 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,200 brilliant player. But somehow, like two years when you're in 175 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,080 junior high or high school seems like it's bigger to yours 176 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,350 because they weren't in your class. Yeah, yeah. And I would 177 00:10:49,380 --> 00:10:53,040 put class together and go listen to, you know, Howlin Wolf 178 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:59,340 record. And then we we love Buddy Guy and Jr. Wells and that 179 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:03,000 kind of stuff. And talk about how well that blind faith 180 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,090 record, you know, that's a Buddy Holly song that they would like 181 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,560 Lee and I were in the same class. So we'd have to wait to a 182 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,500 little bit of school and all of us left school a little early 183 00:11:13,530 --> 00:11:16,530 till you could find out. You know, Brian knew us. Oh, yeah, 184 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:18,990 the guys from the two years down. You knew my brother. And 185 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,820 yeah, that's awesome. Well, no, no. So we were all together. But 186 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:28,080 it got together together and would have been like, 1979, I 187 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,160 think it would have been, yeah, the rest was history, man. So 188 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,290 that's what we did our 40th anniversary was in 19 2019. And 189 00:11:37,890 --> 00:11:43,980 everyone in the industry and because we made an album in 190 00:11:44,070 --> 00:11:49,230 1980. So the you know, the 40th anniversary was 2020. Everyone 191 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:54,720 had an idea. So on without speaking to each other, and 192 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,900 everyone came back with the same answer. Well, we didn't form in 193 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:00,990 1980. Because we don't want anyone to think still to this 194 00:12:00,990 --> 00:12:04,500 day that we just appeared out of nowhere. We play 1979 worked 195 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,920 very, very hard. So we insisted that the 40th anniversary be 196 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,370 2019. And there was a little bit of like, well, it's a cricket 197 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:17,400 number 2020 2020. Yeah, it looks and I agree. But if we had done 198 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,550 that, it never would have happened. COVID it out. It was 199 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:26,340 great that you guys did 2018 and had a beautiful year. Yeah. That 200 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:28,410 must have been incredible. So how many dates was that? Was 201 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:31,200 that a world tour? Yeah, yeah, that was. 202 00:12:32,370 --> 00:12:36,300 And we had made an album, then. 2018 At the very end, I think 203 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:40,110 but got released in 2019. That didn't that did very well. Yeah. 204 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:43,530 Who had no love, which still counts? I think you know, oh, 205 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:45,900 great, incredible. Congratulations, Bill for speed, 206 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:50,520 double platinum rock, this town, voted by the Rock and Roll Hall 207 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,520 of Fame Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll. I mean, right there. 208 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,610 That's a legacy. You can hang your hat on all those cool MTV 209 00:12:56,610 --> 00:12:57,180 videos. 210 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:02,070 And I know there's a story I know there's like an evolution 211 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:06,600 of the band. And it's really interesting how MTV got fed some 212 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,230 of those early videos because they ended up being promotional 213 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:12,930 videos for the European market. Right? Can you tell us about 214 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:14,070 that? Yeah. 215 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:18,810 I think MTV was a beautiful 216 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,380 cosmic blank, you know, tapas was a it still is was at the 217 00:13:25,380 --> 00:13:26,970 time like a beautiful thing. And 218 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:35,730 for us, we left New York in 1980. June, because we just 219 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:38,910 wanted to have an adventure. We got the English newspapers and 220 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:43,710 kind of nobody knew who we who they didn't know who know who 221 00:13:43,710 --> 00:13:46,200 our heroes were in a funny way. We were doing this virgin 222 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Vincent for Johnny Burnett and 223 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:51,030 already liked it. And I think if we stayed around in New York, we 224 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:52,950 would have got a record deal on that. But we wanted to have an 225 00:13:52,950 --> 00:13:55,590 adventure. We heard that in England, people 226 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,360 look like this. They dress like we thought everyone was Ringo. 227 00:14:00,810 --> 00:14:04,110 Everyone was Eddie Cochran because they knew who he was 228 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:08,970 there. So we went to England, we sold everything we owned, and we 229 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,970 bought one of my plane tickets, and we went to London. That's 230 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:14,970 incredible. Bunch very brave man. How old were you at the 231 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:20,940 time? 19 years old? Yeah. Wow. We were 19 years old. And then 232 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:25,770 we get there. And we use that as a good idea. No, you said it was 233 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:26,310 a good idea. 234 00:14:27,390 --> 00:14:30,090 You know, clutching does a magazine article that from from 235 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:32,670 a year ago that we mean Were you asleep and where are you guys? 236 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:37,500 We we we were homeless. We set the movie theaters a little bit 237 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:41,340 until that ran out. We hung around like ghosts and parties 238 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:44,340 and crashed for a while like a sitting Nancy kind of house and 239 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:46,650 you know those types of types of things. 240 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,320 That's incredible. We really had three of us and we had 241 00:14:53,850 --> 00:14:57,780 we had knocked on enough doors and made ourselves known 242 00:14:58,860 --> 00:14:59,970 as much as we could on a very 243 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,990 We miniscule in any town when it comes down to it. The club's 244 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,790 circuit order is very, very small even in London or New York 245 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:13,800 or LA or whatever it is. It's still same couple 100 people 246 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:14,490 maybe you 247 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,210 so we had just, I guess, had some obnoxious charm, you know, 248 00:15:21,210 --> 00:15:23,850 we knocked on a lot of doors eventually, this would have been 249 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:29,760 about September, August to September I think we had gotten 250 00:15:30,390 --> 00:15:33,570 a fourth on the bill that uh, you know, music pub that had 251 00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:36,210 bands every night anyway, kind of thing. And we just made 252 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:40,230 ourselves known and hung around these places. enough that we 253 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:44,760 managed to string together five, seven shows maybe all going on 254 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,230 if four in the afternoon or seven at night or for Bill like 255 00:15:49,260 --> 00:15:53,160 nothing that was, but we had made ourselves known enough that 256 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:57,360 a few of the people that we met along the way came to the first 257 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,530 few shows with the idea of maybe, maybe that'll be good, 258 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:05,520 maybe they'll shut it up and go home. Maybe they saw maybe what 259 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,580 we're going out anyway, that night. Let's go to let's stop in 260 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:12,000 at the Greyhound first and check out these guys from New York. 261 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:15,330 And that original gang of people included Lammi 262 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:19,200 a Joe Strummer, Krishna, hi. 263 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:24,360 Glen Matlock from the sacred pistols so there was the like a 264 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,850 core of hipsters that we had met at parties and you know, but no 265 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:32,640 one waves we will just use it noxious guys. 266 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:36,720 Well, guys got a cool suit. But it's kind of dirty, almost, you 267 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,050 know, like he's been sleeping. We have been. 268 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:46,650 So we had these. So immediately, that's when we were in control 269 00:16:46,650 --> 00:16:50,370 of our own destiny was at Go and play for wherever it was on the 270 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:55,290 planet, or 20 minutes. No problem. Because we had done a 271 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:58,410 year of in the clubs for sets and five nights a week in New 272 00:16:58,410 --> 00:17:03,030 York, you know, so we were in control of and then yeah, I 273 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:05,160 don't think anyone ever seen anything like it was standing 274 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,760 up, playing the drums, spinning the bass around, he tossed the 275 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,130 guitar 10 feet over his head and grabbed it in the middle of his 276 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:13,860 solo and doesn't miss to be crazy, you know, the stray cats. 277 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:21,060 And so the next time that she hi and gave an interview, or Glen 278 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:24,510 Matlock, from the Sex Pistols or Joe Stover gave an interview 279 00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:28,410 that week because everyone kept those music papers going. They 280 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:30,930 said, Well, what do you been doing last week, Joe? Well, I 281 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:34,350 saw this band from New York and they were so there was a buzz 282 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:37,080 and now there are tastemakers that were vouching for you 283 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:42,480 groundswell. And that led to Chrissy Hein five days later, a 284 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,170 week later brought Ray Davies now when he saw it, he mentioned 285 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:51,270 it Melody Maker. And then by the end of the couple of maybe, 286 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,650 maybe 10 shows we did over two weeks, the Rolling Stones came 287 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:57,000 because they had heard about it. 288 00:17:58,650 --> 00:18:01,980 They were all at a table all together from rail, right front 289 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:06,030 row is that the story club and some club have that's happened 290 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:09,330 since they all go to something that's not their thing. 291 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:14,010 The five guys could agree on something. And that's when it 292 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:18,540 took it out of the out of the music papers into the national 293 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:22,830 papers like why those things unknown guys who don't even guys 294 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:25,230 were doing it yourself. It was not like you hired a an 295 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:28,290 expensive publicist. No, no, we 296 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:32,670 we had no one I'm I'm not against expensive publicity. 297 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:36,810 Yeah, no, but I mean, jeez, that's incredible. So then it 298 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:42,570 then then it happened very quickly. We, we, we had a lot of 299 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:46,830 offers to do record contracts. And the, the right company came, 300 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:51,000 which was ours to records at the time. And someone else who would 301 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,700 come in to all the shows was going to Dave Edmonds, who were 302 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:58,860 a fan of his guitar players, wicked artist. And he, he said 303 00:18:58,860 --> 00:19:01,740 he would produce that the same night that the record company 304 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:06,180 got the one what so it all kind of was, it was, it was a needle 305 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:10,620 threading thing that was had to be, and we wound up making the 306 00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:13,350 record with Edmonds and then having it out by Christmas, 307 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:17,490 which is when the charts froze, like, as right before the 308 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:21,420 charts, we had gotten to the top 10 so it stays in the top 10 for 309 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:26,460 like, three weeks. So you're and and we just did what we knew how 310 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:31,740 to do. We just went on the road. And during that time, we made a 311 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:36,660 couple of videos. Because the the reasoning behind the video 312 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,070 was it was all for Europe because we signed a record 313 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:43,590 contract out of England, even though we were Americans. It was 314 00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:47,280 an English record contract. So we didn't have North America. 315 00:19:47,730 --> 00:19:51,300 It's called X North America, not x like we were from there. Extra 316 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:55,140 excluding Yes, it's too big of a gamble for record companies. Now 317 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:58,350 I get it completely to try to break a band, you know, you're 318 00:19:58,350 --> 00:20:00,000 gonna have to had a hit in England or 319 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,090 It is still America is a different, different beast 320 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,290 universe for all that so big. You can't drive from LA to 321 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,380 Chicago and play a gig that night in England, you can drive 322 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:12,510 to London to Scotland and play a gig that night. 323 00:20:14,190 --> 00:20:16,590 So we had made a few 324 00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:22,050 videos, and I got to Julian temple did that was very well 325 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:27,060 known film director. And we made them because if you're on tour 326 00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:30,090 in England, they could play it on the Saturday afternoon kids 327 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:34,380 show in France. Or if you were in France on tour, they could 328 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:37,920 play it on the you know, the solid gold, Sweden or whatever 329 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,590 kind of you could be in two places at once, basically, with 330 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:45,870 the video. So and was another thing that we had very good 331 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:49,920 people around us, we had certain amount of input, but who could 332 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,970 organize video 333 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:54,720 to be you know, and and then what, like, 334 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,840 you know, like a few other things. We got it. And we were 335 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,290 kind of natural at it. So when MTV 336 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,910 came about a year or so later, I think it was in 81. You leave it 337 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:07,380 on MTV needed content. 338 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:11,370 Towards the end of MTV, or during the middle of you, people 339 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:15,420 were making very expensive clips and trying to get them on. And I 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,610 do think at at the beginning of MTV, they were happy to to have 341 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:23,310 content. Oh my god, I did a Video Killed the Radio Star. 342 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:26,610 They're like, how are we going to do this for 24 hours? That's 343 00:21:26,610 --> 00:21:32,310 exactly right. So they found ours And in, in the USA, that 344 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:37,680 created a big groundswell. And we were doing very well at 345 00:21:37,710 --> 00:21:41,070 import radio, without even knowing it. Because now he got 346 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:44,460 played one time and you know, Saskatoon, you somehow know 347 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:49,590 about it right? Then we were kind of popular in regions that 348 00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:54,840 we wouldn't really know about. So it was very popular in in LA, 349 00:21:54,990 --> 00:21:59,040 and we came through LA to gone all the way to Japan, I believe. 350 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,750 Australia, not really knowing that MTV had this big 351 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:08,100 groundswell and then MTV had affected radio and when in the 352 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:13,140 reverse that so important radio shows were really playing the 353 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:20,040 the the singles so we stopped in LA to kind of have one 354 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:24,750 night and someone asked us to play at the Roxy we said sure 355 00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:28,260 that famous but so that turned in to one night tonight, we 356 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,960 wanted to do like four or five nights with a with a matinee 357 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,650 show and an evening show where for such a brief period of time, 358 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,920 and that's what kind of launched MTV was very very helpful with 359 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,480 that along with import radio, and I played all those places on 360 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,820 the strip except for the Roxy have never stepped foot in the 361 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:47,760 Roxy man I got it. I gotta make it happen. Switchblade House of 362 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,300 Blues whiskey Viper Room. Yeah, we did have with the house blues 363 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,460 man was a big night when we sold that sucker out and then they 364 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:56,790 knocked it down. Now it's a high rise condo. Yeah, kind of sad. 365 00:22:57,270 --> 00:23:00,390 Totally. But what I understand the Viper that strip right there 366 00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:02,910 at a liquor store and everything has been sold. 367 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:07,830 Yes, that's the that's, that's the news on the street. But it's 368 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:13,050 still. As of right now. It's operating? Yes. I think there's 369 00:23:13,050 --> 00:23:16,290 a lot of permits, and you know, clearing and still a lot of 370 00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:20,760 stuff to do always up there. So I do know what's still open now. 371 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:24,750 Well, hopefully the whiskey and the rainbow will know will never 372 00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:26,160 go away. No. 373 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:30,240 I don't think so. I know, the whiskey is like, 374 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,680 like very strategic. It's got the signage, and it's very 375 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,860 valuable. Yes, location. And it's still great people. It's 376 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:40,230 the same family since Garrison's, the 60s, and we're 377 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:43,800 very old. They're very friendly with them for for all this time. 378 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,220 And and, 379 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:51,150 and they're the same family that owns the rainbow as it will be 380 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:55,110 there. Forever. It's a good, you know, good, strong family vibe. 381 00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:59,850 And the Roxy is in good hands, too. That's part the original 382 00:23:59,850 --> 00:24:04,890 family and they are partnered with golden voice. So that's a 383 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:08,370 secure myth there. And the troubadour. Hopefully, that 384 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,880 never goes away. You know? I don't think I 385 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:17,640 don't know. I've done my bit to keep it open. Yeah, yeah, for 386 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:23,640 sure. So MTV acts as a massive catalyst for you guys. And then 387 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,420 you're off to the races and then you go like way when America 388 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:30,330 starts to pop, are you guys immediately doing headline 389 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:32,730 shows? Are you opening up for packages or 390 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:36,060 in the states we? 391 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,100 We mainly 392 00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:39,840 did 393 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:43,860 well, we made it into headline but we started out in clubs, and 394 00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:48,510 it was the you know, the type of the typing. type of gigs like 395 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:50,700 would have been like say the Roxy or the whiskey you go 396 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,580 everywhere and like across the states, the places that you got 397 00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:55,260 to, you got to play bow guards. 398 00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,890 You got to play the chants in Poughkeepsie, you got to play 399 00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:00,000 Lost Horizon. It's here. 400 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,850 Here's where do you play in Saskatoon and I've actually 401 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:03,180 played 402 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:09,990 it, it was that circuit of the gotta play while you're in there 403 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,830 in that town rock circuit. And and it was beautiful because we 404 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:18,870 probably could have done maybe the one larger the first time 405 00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:21,780 around but we didn't because we were committed to it. So every 406 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:26,220 one of those gigs became the like, you had to be there. It 407 00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:30,780 have a legendary thing if you were there kind of thing. And I 408 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:33,120 mean, you know how it works like everyone who said that they were 409 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,330 there, they would have been a 5000 seater. Not everyone could 410 00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:38,820 see the Beatles at Cavern Club is this big. So 411 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:41,850 we're the ones who really were there. 412 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,100 And we did that we did. We did an opening run with the Rolling 413 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,220 Stones and that but that was before our album had come out. 414 00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:55,470 They brought us over in 1981 because they liked us and it was 415 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:58,200 just something wacky to do. And we said yeah. 416 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:06,060 So we got ourselves to the states. And we opened some shows 417 00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:09,840 for them. And it was good because they played every other 418 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,260 day or every couple of days it wasn't that hard of a schedule 419 00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:16,950 that like what we were used to so but on the plane also didn't 420 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:22,440 pay us anything. So on the days off we filled in, in these now 421 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,880 very legendary shows, like we played King Tut's in Chicago or, 422 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,490 you know, someplace in St. Louis, someplace in Minneapolis 423 00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:32,970 that was a tiny like a, like a Viper Room kind of thing. Just 424 00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:37,920 to like, get the gasoline or in the hotel to the next rolling so 425 00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:41,700 I get it. So the stones were they knew their power. They were 426 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:43,200 they didn't pay you guys. They're like, Hey, this is 427 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,000 massive marketing for you guys. Just say no, no, no, no, that's 428 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,730 okay. Now at this particular time, you're opening for the 429 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:53,280 stones. I mean, they see you guys are the thing is, is this 430 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,590 is all happening. Did you have management? Are you self 431 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:59,910 managing, we were pretty much taking care of ourselves. Wow, 432 00:27:00,030 --> 00:27:04,710 you never really had the right person at that time. And we were 433 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:08,700 kind of, we had a couple of people who on a crew helping us 434 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,460 and we were just, you know, taking advice a little bit and 435 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:15,390 just kind of doing it they will I don't remember, when I wish 436 00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:19,050 back then we had had some new management company, whatever 437 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:22,440 life would have been different. But now it makes for a good 438 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,530 story that we kind of did it ourselves. And it's a great 439 00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:27,540 story. So who was the first manager that came along? 440 00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:32,100 We had a few people over the years really. 441 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,360 There's been once of the last 20 years. But like scarily back, 442 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:41,430 then we we beat ourselves into the like the the really the mid 443 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:45,000 part of the 80s. Really we just we had some lawyers opening and 444 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240 you know, accountant that's passed on that we really liked 445 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,680 him and he was helping us. But 446 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,190 it was really I would love to say that was di we saved the 447 00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:59,850 commission or we were like smart, Johnny Ramone style or 448 00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:02,610 something? No, it wasn't any of that. It was just, I don't know, 449 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:05,250 if we got it together. We somehow got there and did all 450 00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:06,000 the stuff but 451 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,640 I can't say it was a plan or Yeah. Where are you ready? Well, 452 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,400 I worked all right. And I tell her all my people I say look at 453 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,950 you'll know when you need a manager, it's become when your 454 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:18,810 life is unmanageable, you know? 455 00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:25,350 So and you've always I mean, so meteoric success. We've been 456 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:28,620 doing it for 45 years, you guys are all still friendly. 2019 and 457 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:30,900 the big tour and you've always had all these amazing side 458 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,440 projects, Phantom rocker and slick. You had your dead men 459 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,370 walking, you got the cheap day two, you gotta head cat, you got 460 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:42,030 the jack, TARS looks like you may be started a new rockabilly 461 00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:45,510 band with Chris Chaney, and Jimmy Barnes. That's really so 462 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:47,760 many hours in the day, man, how you doing all this? 463 00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:51,810 A lot of it has to do with 464 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,210 what keeps the stray cats good at this point is that we don't 465 00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:00,180 do it all the time. Yeah, it's been a few times where there's 466 00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:03,750 been like, longer kind of gaps. And I know 467 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:07,740 you got to stay in Beverly Hills somehow, you know, yeah. 468 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,400 I'm very grateful that like, along the way, of, of all of 469 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,300 this, these are who my friends are, like, Lammi. I met 1980 He 470 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,180 was one of the original people at the original shows that we 471 00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:25,440 did. And we just stayed in touch, literally 45 years until 472 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,280 he kicked the bucket a few years ago, we as we sat with him, you 473 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,130 know, and that was one that we were just 474 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:37,590 really pals and and he wanted to do rockabilly music. He couldn't 475 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:41,220 really in his band, and mighty moto had been and have an 476 00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:45,900 opportunity to say do three call Perkins songs on an album and to 477 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:50,370 Buddy Holly ballads it just you know. So that's he wanted to do 478 00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:53,400 that and like, Well, okay, I can organize that for me, you know, 479 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,630 so we did that together. 480 00:29:55,770 --> 00:29:57,810 And kind of a similar thing with Harry Dean. 481 00:29:58,830 --> 00:29:59,970 The cheat 482 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,180 Days Harry Dean Stanton was a maybe the best character actor 483 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:07,140 ever he was oh my god, alien dude, that what he did an alien 484 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:10,710 I will take to the grave and what a great performance. And he 485 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:14,520 was one of the first people that was at the Roxy for somebody who 486 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,030 played in 1981. And he's another one we just became friendly and 487 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:21,420 I stayed in touch with them. And he was my friend while I went to 488 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:25,860 his house, more days than not, and in the crossword puzzle and 489 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:30,630 watch TV and that kind of stuff. And he was always a great player 490 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:33,330 and singer Cool Hand Luke, he plays the guitar in that and 491 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,800 he's like, that's something he he always did. And cheap dates 492 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,210 was a result of doing some gigs. Really round town. You know how 493 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:44,880 we wanted to play. And we got our little gang together, 494 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,000 including Jeff Baxter from the doobies. Who's my neighbor, I 495 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,920 saw else we would play the tin machine. Iggy Pop, Jamie James, 496 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,440 I can fall within two seconds. Dammit. 497 00:30:58,170 --> 00:31:01,470 Jim is walking to adjust something in his home office. 498 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:05,550 Like the sun is setting there or something. It's like the Yeah, 499 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:08,370 it's like 333 30 in LA. 500 00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:12,690 And it's been raining for like, over a week. And this is with 501 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:15,660 the first nice day there's a lot of cleanup going on. Yeah, you 502 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:18,360 guys got like, a year's worth of rain in one day or something? 503 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:21,540 Oh, yeah, our street was underwater was the kind of in 504 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:23,370 the news and all that the world. 505 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,990 But the whole neighborhood really, so. So a lot of the 506 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:30,690 things I did because I mean, you all know this is a drummer, 507 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,490 it's, for me being a stylized drummer. Like you kind of have 508 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:38,640 to do things that are around what you can do in a funny way. 509 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040 Right. And like, I don't know if I could go 510 00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:46,230 join a you know, real hard rock band or being 511 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,070 you know, it's a tribute Giffords, you know, Rush is 512 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:53,820 something that we love every drummer, right. But we know our 513 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:56,760 limitations at the same time. And everything I've done is kind 514 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,690 of been around what, what I can do my you know, for swings a 515 00:32:00,690 --> 00:32:02,520 little bit, and it rocks a little bit, you know, one of the 516 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,990 then I'm the guy that for it, and we've just met the right 517 00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:12,450 people who who are friends who want to do that kind of thing 518 00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:16,770 that may be in their their like regular job. That's not coming. 519 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,560 They're like Christianity from living in and Barnsey 520 00:32:20,610 --> 00:32:25,860 who I met in 1981. The first on the show, Catherine, Australia, 521 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:30,000 Barnes he and I are pals. And he said some new rockabilly record. 522 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:33,600 Yeah, of course, we talked about it for 40 years, and Chris 523 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,830 Chaney became my friend, because my son who's 33 years old, he 524 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:40,740 liked the band living in so I was able to take with his 525 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:44,160 friends to go see them at some gig in LA that can handle and I 526 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,850 met Chris, and that's where the, the couple of years back then 527 00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:50,010 was, you know, the same kind of thing. Chris is younger than me 528 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:53,160 now we're all on our 50s You know, plus, so it doesn't matter 529 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,670 so much. 530 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:55,740 And the same with 531 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,850 and so, so bonsey, new Cheney from Australia altogether, and 532 00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:05,370 they were friendly with Jools Holland, who has been my friend 533 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,270 since the early 80s. When squeezing the stray cats played 534 00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:12,450 together. And it was like another thing Yeah, let's make 535 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:18,330 an album someday. So eventually, these things tend to do, do 536 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:22,710 happen, something to talk about, and the Barnstormers with Jules 537 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:27,240 and barzee. We were all set. It was down to window or I'll see 538 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:33,060 we were going to Australia to go to Kevin Shirley studio, live 539 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:38,430 there, some amazing place on the water and make an album Jules 540 00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:43,230 Bonzi, Cheney and myself. And my wife plays a band called Eagles 541 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:47,580 of Death Metal. Yeah. And they were touring Australia, we were 542 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,070 going to go make the album, I would meet them on the weekends, 543 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:54,180 it was really the perfect plan. And then of course, everything 544 00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:57,480 weeks before was going to happen. I guess I'm grateful. I 545 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,180 don't want to be trapped in Australia. Generally, if you 546 00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:03,150 don't live someplace, it's hard to be trapped there. Although 547 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:05,610 it's fine. I'm sure two years later, wherever I was staying 548 00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:07,260 with it, it would have gotten sick and 549 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:10,860 right before we were supposed to go everything I 550 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,680 canceled. And you decided to this is where the modern world, 551 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:20,520 the stray cats and me like in particular being very seemingly 552 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,450 old fashion. 553 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:26,880 We did the record through file sharing the whole album, I would 554 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,060 go and record the drums at Gilby Clarke because my other neighbor 555 00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:33,690 has a great studio in his house. He's great at doing drums. And I 556 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:38,220 would send that to Jules Jules put his piano on he would send 557 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:42,480 that to Chris Chaney, he played guitar and he would send that to 558 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,070 Barnsey who would sing it and every every step went via Kevin 559 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:50,850 Shirley, who's the producer who like organize that pack and 560 00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:54,330 moved it on, and it took a year we didn't do it every day. We 561 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,470 made an album that got to the top of the charts in Australia. 562 00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:59,640 Oh kitty 563 00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:02,550 You go, ah, 564 00:35:03,629 --> 00:35:06,779 that's the last the last thing that we did. And it was kind of 565 00:35:06,779 --> 00:35:10,409 like an old timey thing, but done with the most modern 566 00:35:10,439 --> 00:35:13,199 approach. That's great. And so you're you're just mixing 567 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,879 business and pleasure. You're making great music with your 568 00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:17,639 friends. And that's kind of the best kind of way to make it. 569 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,559 Totally. Yeah. And in recent years, I think you told me at 570 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,959 least seven years you can correct me you've been hosting 571 00:35:24,959 --> 00:35:28,199 the weekly radio show, rockabilly rave upon a little 572 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:33,809 Stevens underground garage. How did you get into that new gig? 573 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:41,370 That 70 we did in January was our 300th. Show. Nice. So that 574 00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:43,050 was another funny one, where 575 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,850 where 576 00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:50,700 I've written a book, like auto bio that maybe seven, eight 577 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:54,060 years ago, and it's called What's that called? It's called 578 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:56,310 a stray cat struts. Nice. 579 00:35:57,570 --> 00:36:01,080 And it was good was on St. Martin's Press. It's all the 580 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,960 copies. It's good. I might tune in to say, you know, pressing 581 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,630 over with really these stories with a few photographs on that 582 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,390 harradine called me and I wanted to make a band. It's just you 583 00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:13,050 know, irony funny stuff about the formula stray cats. And 584 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,920 so I had written a book and 585 00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:22,920 I would became friendly. This is all on Twitter, with Maureen van 586 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,000 Zane Stevie's wife, 587 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:29,370 who's also on Sopranos. She paid Gabrielle Dante. She's awesome. 588 00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:30,060 Yes. 589 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,380 We had become somehow crossed paths on Twitter of liking the 590 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:40,560 same old TV shows and watching Colombo and meet TV and that. So 591 00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:44,880 she said, Steve is playing in LA. Once you come to the gig, I 592 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,720 said great, because I hadn't met Stevie I knew that Bruce a 593 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,000 little bit because he came to see the strikeouts play and we 594 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,840 met few times been whispering things at the club and jersey 595 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,510 with us on that first tour playing guitar because but 596 00:36:57,570 --> 00:37:00,870 Steve, he's like an East Coast guy. And sometimes, if you 597 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:03,180 don't, you know, there's like New York people. Even though I'm 598 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,750 from New York. I've been in LA 40 something years. I didn't 599 00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:12,870 know Stevie so so. So Marina invited me to see his show. And 600 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:16,950 to bring a copy the book. Great. So I went to the Roxy in the 601 00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:20,550 daytime, the Roxy again. There was no one there is you know 602 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:23,460 there's more than anyone clubs in the daytime have kind of the 603 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:27,630 weirdest place in the world. Yes. And like somehow the doors 604 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,030 open and lets all the light in and you're like, oh, close the 605 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:33,210 doors. What are you round still the same time maybe they're in 606 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:36,450 the office or maybe they're loading in but haven't started 607 00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:39,210 yet. It's like that. Three o'clock in the afternoon at a 608 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:43,680 nightclub before the gig. It's odd place. So so I'm wandering 609 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,460 around in there. And and I wandered up into the dressing 610 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:50,010 room and there's still no so I was about to leave and then 611 00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:54,510 another door open and who's out who that and it was Stevie. He 612 00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:57,150 was by himself in the nightclub as well. I said I was devious 613 00:37:57,150 --> 00:38:01,440 Maysam Jim song. How you doing kid? Very strange. And I said, I 614 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,680 got this book for your wife. My wife, isn't it? Yeah, we're 615 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,130 talking about you all. She's not here today. It's just me. And 616 00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:12,090 the parents on their way. So it was an and my friend Charlie 617 00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:15,090 Drayton was playing drums at the time. The great player. Yeah, 618 00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:18,660 we're Facebook friends. Yes, exactly. He was playing drums 619 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:23,250 for Stevie at the time. So I hope to see SMBC Charlie and 620 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280 drop this book off. Oh, Charlie could make this trip. I got to 621 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,790 substitute. I know the guy. Maureen wasn't there. So I'm 622 00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:31,740 with Stevie by myself 623 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,280 and table in a nightclub but it's completely dark at three 624 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,780 o'clock in the afternoon. So and I knew he had his channel said 625 00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:41,190 well, you know what, what do you got? 626 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,240 Yeah, got it there this book to give to you wise? You said no, 627 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:49,860 no. What do you got? So I just went on my kinda, well, there's 628 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,040 no Beatles without Buddy Holly. There is no Rolling Stones. 629 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,370 Without Bo Diddley. There's no who without Eddie Cochran Led 630 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:59,250 Zeppelin loves called percussion. And I just got my 631 00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:05,850 thing go in my manifesto. And I realized, like, 710 minutes have 632 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:09,900 passed, I have taken a breath. And the Stevie just stopped. And 633 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,550 he's, he's still the Oadby. You know, he's, he's like, right? 634 00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:20,640 For a show. Three weeks. What are you talking about? I want 635 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,910 the first show in three weeks. I don't even know what I was 636 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:28,590 doing. So that was your, what do you got? That's funny. I mean, 637 00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:33,240 what does that even mean? You know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 638 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,980 exactly. So I did the first show and, and I've been doing it 639 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:41,490 every Sunday since since then, the rain or shine, I'm on the 640 00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:45,030 road and I learned how to do it via you know, you know, record 641 00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:48,420 it and send it and it's, you know, a beautiful thing. You 642 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:52,590 know, it's for me of everything I do. It's kind of my favorite 643 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:58,080 thing. Yeah, I record the tracks. While I have a setlist I 644 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,970 mailed that ID to the producer. 645 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,100 and who I don't know personally, but I 646 00:40:03,419 --> 00:40:06,089 know because they're based in Washington DC serious, it's a 647 00:40:06,089 --> 00:40:09,449 whole how the world works is so kind of funny. And thank God for 648 00:40:09,449 --> 00:40:13,139 these, this interwebs man is so young, you put a setlist 649 00:40:13,139 --> 00:40:17,129 together of your favorite genre songs for that particular week 650 00:40:17,129 --> 00:40:19,499 and then you record all your talking head stuff, your 651 00:40:19,499 --> 00:40:23,939 interstitial stuff. Yes, after he sends it back, and 652 00:40:25,050 --> 00:40:28,950 where the brakes go? Yep, we used to do a Sirius XM studios 653 00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:31,590 that are beautiful. But then that changed as well right a 654 00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:35,250 couple of days. After doing it the same place for a certain 655 00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:38,340 amount of time. Then they opened these beautiful new offices 656 00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:41,700 where you would want to go and hang out and see everyone. But 657 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,970 that got closed. So you had to learn how to do it from home 658 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,810 sink or swim. So I got a nice microphone and interface and in 659 00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:52,860 my closet. My wife's closet is insulated. 660 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,790 And you do interviews in that closet. There's looks like 661 00:40:56,790 --> 00:41:00,690 there's shoes behind you and stuff. Like Well, the thing is 662 00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:04,650 leopard skin lounge. It's like, yeah, blue jacket, and there's a 663 00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:07,950 you know, you know, there's an orange cowboy suit and there's 664 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:12,030 Genovese leopard skin. Fuzzy jar and this is part of the stick 665 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,630 but but it sounds good enough. So so we've been doing it like 666 00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:20,430 that for the longest the longest time and then since I've learned 667 00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:22,710 how to do it, if you're on the road, you just really need a 668 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:25,710 quiet place and someone to leave you alone for an hour and then 669 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:29,820 you can do it and then I record it and I send it in back in and 670 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,820 then it's on every Sunday at five o'clock. That's killer ya 671 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:37,560 know, for at one point I had XM radio in my one of my leased 672 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,800 vehicles but then I returned the car and then I haven't had the 673 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,410 XM since I gotta get back on it so I can listen to your show 674 00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:46,410 man. is where the five bucks a month you get it in your house 675 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,900 in the car everything Oh yeah, I got to do that. Yeah, cuz my my 676 00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:52,020 my girl is like a Howard Stern freak. I mean, she never misses 677 00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:56,430 an episode, you know? Exactly. So I think he can do it. I think 678 00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:59,550 they're running a promotion now too. I could do it. I should do 679 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:03,030 it bad. Probably on half the songs on the outlaw country 680 00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:05,670 channel man I did to him I probably on a lot of them. And 681 00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:08,250 then you're doing some charity work, man, your love hope 682 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:12,030 strength foundation. I'd love to hear about that. And I think 683 00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:15,930 through the organization. Now this is crazy. Is this true? You 684 00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:21,690 climbed Mount Everest in Mount Kilimanjaro? Yes. I mean, don't 685 00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:24,150 you have to train for months and months at a time and have like a 686 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:27,960 Sherpa and like, you know, like steer? You have to have a 687 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,800 special breathing apparatus. I mean, how do you go about doing 688 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,250 that man? Tell me that. Tell me that story. What how that came 689 00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:36,420 about was 690 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:43,320 one of my earliest friends again, it all leads back to to 691 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,150 this original group of shows that we did in England 1980. And 692 00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:54,480 then the first tour after the album came out what was in the 693 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:59,340 was in the winter of 1980. And the opening act was a band that 694 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:04,140 would become the alarm. Nice. And Mike Peters, who was the 695 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:08,220 lessor the law is still my friend to this day. This is 1980 696 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:10,590 until now have a long that is always staying in touch. And 697 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:13,500 he's you know, he's he's, you know, he's there with me 698 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:20,010 original pal. Now he had a cancer diagnosis. And the first 699 00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:24,360 time that he beat it, he wanted to give back because he's a very 700 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,740 write on rock'n'roll can save your soul guy. And he formed 701 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,870 the, the, the charity love, hope, strength, which which is, 702 00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:35,640 which is a cancer. 703 00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:40,650 Although all the proceeds go to cancer research, perfect. And 704 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:43,380 he's a very, you know, he's one of those guys, when he says he's 705 00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:47,190 gonna do something, he does it. And he organized this 706 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:50,760 organization, love, hope, strength. And, 707 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,710 you know, we said the same with my pals all, you know, just tell 708 00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:58,920 me what you want me to do. And I'll do it. And he organized 709 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,670 this climb for fine for a cure. And it was to Mount Everest. And 710 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,010 it could have easily been deep sea diving. And then I would 711 00:44:08,010 --> 00:44:10,530 have had to have done that. But it was like that was the thing 712 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:11,340 that he chose 713 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:16,410 that we're going to hike to the base camp of Mount Everest, 714 00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:20,880 which two weeks after that, when you get to base camp, that's 715 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,280 when it's the technical climbing that's like a different 716 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:24,630 universe. 717 00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:31,950 But the hike itself, you got to think it's 27,000 505 or some in 718 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:34,650 you know, amazing number like that. And it takes two weeks or 719 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:37,230 you know, trekking through to sleeping in a sleeping bag at 720 00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:39,060 night with Sherpa. That whole thing. 721 00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:43,560 There was a couple of people the guys from the fix the band the 722 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,820 fix. Oh yeah, love it. 723 00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:50,070 reached the beach. Yeah, exactly. And 724 00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:55,800 Glencoe work from squeeze where my paths cross again with 725 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,670 original friends of mine. He's somehow on it. And then it was 726 00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:59,970 about 727 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,760 Many other people, but it was the core few of us 728 00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:07,530 musicians and we played along the way, played with, you know, 729 00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:09,960 a pair of sticks and on a rock kind of 730 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:14,190 had to be freezing, you got to have the right gear and the 731 00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:18,480 right food and all that. Yeah, it was, that's, that's where it 732 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,840 was very well planned by the, by the organization, I kind of went 733 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,950 and did it. And it was, you just you still had to put one foot in 734 00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:29,580 front of the other and go up there and deal with the altitude 735 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:34,470 and, and the, you know, the how how hard it is. And that's the 736 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:39,510 whole thing. But we we got to the base camp, and it was quite 737 00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:40,530 extraordinary. And then 738 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,500 up from base camp, we went up another 1000 feet, and on like a 739 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:49,260 ledge. And we had 740 00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:55,020 an acoustic guitar, or maybe to a pair of sticks. And someone 741 00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:59,760 had carried something like some some type of drum. And we had 742 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,620 like 35 seconds or five minutes before everyone froze to death 743 00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:08,760 in the weather came in. And we didn't work this down. And that 744 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,780 was when CNN went past and some broadcasting. So it was a 745 00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:15,690 beautiful thing. But it was really one was from Mike, you 746 00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:16,170 know, 747 00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:21,060 anything that he had asked me to do. So we got home and it was 748 00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:24,090 very nice thing was film for documentary ethics to do with VH 749 00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:28,020 one and National Geographic. But that was my thing. I was a go 750 00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:31,770 along. I said Mikey, now you got everything out of me, please 751 00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:35,640 don't ask me do anything like this have you got to, and no 752 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,940 problem slim. And then about six, eight months later is that 753 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:43,980 we're going to do the same thing in Africa. And I had have always 754 00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:48,330 had a very strong fascination with Africa and going and I 755 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,960 looked into it myself, like, I want to go there and you know, 756 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,500 bring the food and bring the water. That's great. Jim is 757 00:46:55,500 --> 00:47:00,450 $12,000. You know, I want to go and hang out with the with the 758 00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:04,320 tribes people and bring them. That's great, Jim, it's $12,000 759 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,780 to do. Okay, well, and in the intro music into it. And the 760 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:13,110 last trip, Mike Peter said, we're going to do the same thing 761 00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:16,560 at Kilimanjaro. And I said, Well, you know, I always wanted 762 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,310 to go to Africa. 763 00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:23,970 So we did, we did Kilimanjaro. And then I said, Now I'm done. 764 00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:28,350 But that was a beautiful, beautiful thing. I really, I 765 00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:30,690 really love that. And that's more about the heat than the 766 00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:34,470 coal or Kilimanjaro is more Yeah, it's like altitude when 767 00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:36,630 you're getting. I mean, it wasn't as high as Everest, but 768 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,420 not that much less. And it's kind of the 769 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,330 really, the altitude is the thing, and just the every day, 770 00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:49,230 you know, you're gonna be hiking up straight up for eight, nine 771 00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:52,470 hours. And there's not particularly any trail. So 772 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:57,600 there's a, there's a, there's a path, I suppose. But every step 773 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,420 is different, like you need sticks, and you need to really 774 00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:03,570 watch your feet. So like you could be walking for two hours 775 00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:06,690 past the most beautiful landscape in the world, and 776 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:07,620 you're staring at your feet. 777 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:13,020 Because one false step and you're kind of, you know, bit in 778 00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:17,160 trouble. So, but it was an amazing thing. And then we went 779 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,460 on a safari that, you know, at the very end that I saw a rhino 780 00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:23,610 and uh, you know, they say they never see them anymore. And I 781 00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:26,910 said, Well, let's try to conjure one up, you know? Yeah, I mean, 782 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:27,570 just 783 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:32,280 the Savannah, you know, the lions and tigers and zebras. And 784 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,530 they all gather at the watering hole. And it's just 785 00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:39,930 unbelievable. It's all true. I mean, I'm fascinated by my whole 786 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:40,740 life and 787 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:45,000 playing the drums I had to go on, you know, since my supper a 788 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,970 little bit again, play, you know, play the drum. Yeah, is 789 00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:50,010 that you know what that but the thing is, is that, you know, 790 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:53,370 people love the drums and it literally has taken us around 791 00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:56,400 the world. I mean, you manifested your childhood dreams 792 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,280 and you did it with friends of yours. So when you guys take 793 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,230 these little breaks for each other, I always I always 794 00:49:01,230 --> 00:49:03,270 interesting talking to people who have been in the same band 795 00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:09,330 20 3040 years, right? Things go by where you won't talk to each 796 00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:14,640 other, right? Maybe even a year goes pass? Yeah, certain times. 797 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,900 Yeah. And then when there's something brewing someone wants 798 00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,900 to play or it's getting an offer or an offer comes through the 799 00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:26,310 really know about right away. Everyone starts to get in touch 800 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:30,270 with a bit of an organic thing. I know. Here we stay in touch 801 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:30,600 like 802 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:35,010 every now and again find you know, some picture something 803 00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:38,250 funny from somewhere in school or some joke that you remembered 804 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:41,670 like so innocuous in this three people who were interested in 805 00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:45,450 would find that funny, right? So that that somehow drifts in and 806 00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:47,730 it's you know, Hey, should we do some gig? Well, let's see what's 807 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:50,580 out there and it's and then everyone is in touch for a while 808 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,270 and then 809 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:55,470 but like the gigs it's very funny thing because I'm not in 810 00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:59,970 any bad vibe district gets since this since the very beginning. 811 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,120 So 812 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,140 at least I'd say the 90s or the late 80s. Everyone travels 813 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:07,620 separately. And like arrives to the gigs. And somehow, 814 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:10,890 everyone's on the side of the stage five minutes before you go 815 00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:13,770 on to it. That's a nice shirt. Oh, man, that's looking good. 816 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:17,700 Let's do this one tonight. And let's Excel. Okay, yeah, no, no, 817 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,700 but and then we go on, we have a great gig. And then everyone 818 00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:24,690 goes, Oh, and it's not on purpose. And there's no bad 819 00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:26,850 vibe. Everyone's kind of friendly. I think maybe that's 820 00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:30,120 what helps keep it friendly in a funny way. Who's got their own 821 00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:33,420 family and their own schedule and their own? Well, I want to 822 00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:35,700 stay in Amsterdam an extra night, why don't want to go 823 00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:38,550 spend the night in Chicago, I want to fly on to Minneapolis. 824 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:41,880 Everyone does with I love that everybody just like they'll meet 825 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,190 you at the gig man. Because, you know, we're just, you know, our 826 00:50:44,190 --> 00:50:47,100 band is very much we're attached at the hip and the airports and 827 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,490 the tour bus and we can't we can't escape each other. You 828 00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:52,980 know, we don't want to but it's, you know, yeah, we're all going 829 00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:56,040 together. So there's, I kind of think that, you know, you and I 830 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,590 the drummer, so we accept whatever, I'm fine with either. 831 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,710 What to do to keep it all going. I think that's the, you know, 832 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,670 the, you know, the ultimate goal is to keep it all going but the 833 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:12,690 drummers may just want it to know. Yeah. You know, you want 834 00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,510 to be like Ringo. And that's what I always wanted, you know, 835 00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:17,970 my whole life. Yeah, you just go. 836 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,550 It was my own. Yeah, well, funny. You know what, you did 837 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:24,810 it, man. And you you know, 838 00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:29,160 you know, hanging backstage with Charlie Watts, all the great 839 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,800 stuff. Now you stand the majority of the time, right? Are 840 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,580 there any projects where like, you know, you sit down and play 841 00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:40,290 or just traditional, like studio session, seated or no? Yeah, 842 00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:42,900 besides the stray cats, which we do everything, how we do it at 843 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,950 the gig. Most everything else, when I record it, I'll sit down. 844 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,550 Gotcha. 845 00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:53,970 And further the gigs. Really, it seems like at this point, that's 846 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:56,460 what they want to be they meaning the, you know, the 847 00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:59,850 beautiful people who come to the gigs and, you know, book the 848 00:51:59,850 --> 00:52:03,150 gigs and want the gigs and I tend to stand up like with 849 00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:04,230 Lemire stood up. 850 00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:12,120 You Yeah, it's mainly mainly standing up at the gigs. And, 851 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,520 and I do a trio. That's, that's great. My wife plays bass. And 852 00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:21,330 we, we have a nice little cast of characters who's available 853 00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:22,080 and which are, 854 00:52:23,790 --> 00:52:26,460 which is really a beautiful thing that, you know, such a 855 00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:26,940 great 856 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:31,980 level of musicians and a quantity of the Well, I had some 857 00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:36,030 gig comes through that's, you know, in New York, and the usual 858 00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:38,790 guy cut Yeah, but I know another guy in New York, and well, he 859 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:41,520 knows this guy. And it's just like a beautiful community. And 860 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,230 Leon and I on on, like, a very nice level of musicianship, and 861 00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:50,310 like, respect, it's kind of a cool, no cool thing to think all 862 00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:56,610 these years later, that because we love Ringo, and then called 863 00:52:56,610 --> 00:53:00,600 Perkins and these things were all you know, 100 years later, 864 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,500 you kinda like, you know, touring and well, I don't know, 865 00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:07,860 you know, like, chocolate in Chicago. Well, my friend is the 866 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:10,500 so and so. And he can do and it's just a beautiful thing to 867 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,260 be part of. Yeah, but like relationships are like, that's 868 00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:15,330 your life. That's kind of like your love language, man. It's 869 00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:17,760 like that your whole career is about relationships. Like that's 870 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,570 my buddy that I met in 1980 You're still mixing business and 871 00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:24,240 pleasure with people decades later. 872 00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:28,470 Yeah, that's the funny thing. The beautiful thing fair and 873 00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:33,960 haven't we? We we just came to the last thing we did. We just 874 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,790 came back a couple of days ago. We did 875 00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:41,880 every February the third we do the Buddy Holly tribute that's 876 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,450 at the surf Ballroom in Clear Lake Iowa. That was the last gig 877 00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:48,690 that Buddy Holly Ritchie bounds in the boilerplate I bopper 878 00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:53,910 Yeah. And, and every third of February they do they meaning 879 00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:58,200 the city and the you know, the, you know, the town Arts Council 880 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,160 kind of thing. They they do a gig at the surf ballroom, and 881 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:05,820 all sorts of beautiful people around it's like, two 3000 882 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:08,160 people every night and they do it over the course of a weekend. 883 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,120 It's all things like, Buddy Holly and you know, which is you 884 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,460 know, affected me it was one of the things that I first got 885 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:17,520 turned on to 1979 the Buddy Holly story came out and that 886 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,820 was the same time I was thinking well Beatles have kind of Buddy 887 00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:24,990 Holly and like it was all part of my evolution of finding about 888 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,030 you know, all these things we love it was kind of like a like 889 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:33,930 an era when I was finding out late 70s And so every February 890 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:36,360 the third we deal with thing and they get in touch with me and I 891 00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:40,170 make a nice little gang. And this year we 892 00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:41,880 we had 893 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,560 we Jenny V played bass with me Gilby Clarke from Guns and 894 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,100 Roses, who's my friend and neighbor 35 years. 895 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,110 Glen Matlock, from the Sex Pistols who wrote the six pistol 896 00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:59,580 songs the bass player. Amazing is my friend since those early 897 00:54:59,610 --> 00:54:59,970 days. 898 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,840 In London, and he and I played a couple of bands together. But I 899 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,770 called him in on it Albert Lee, who's beautiful guitar player, 900 00:55:09,179 --> 00:55:14,249 Marshall Crenshaw, who played on the Hollywood bomba, Chris 901 00:55:14,249 --> 00:55:16,589 Montez, whose original American rock and roll it from the early 902 00:55:16,589 --> 00:55:20,159 60s, and he was a contemporary and a friend with Richie Valens. 903 00:55:20,279 --> 00:55:24,599 So, these are all my friends and we, who could we call this year 904 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:26,909 and this is the gang that we assembled this year for, we just 905 00:55:26,909 --> 00:55:30,659 came home like two days ago was, you know, a beautiful thing. So, 906 00:55:31,139 --> 00:55:34,139 where it's, you know, like you say, it's so true to have your 907 00:55:34,139 --> 00:55:38,609 friends and like, it's like all the same thing. You friends in 908 00:55:38,609 --> 00:55:41,369 the gig. And it's like all the same thing. Really, ya know, 909 00:55:41,399 --> 00:55:43,949 that I talked about all the time and mixing business and 910 00:55:43,949 --> 00:55:46,319 pleasure. And everyone should check out your website, you've 911 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:50,609 got fantastic looking merchandise and looks like you 912 00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:55,499 do like a sort of like a one man show like, you know, book, Jim, 913 00:55:55,499 --> 00:55:57,599 and he'll come in he'll do performance and they'll do 914 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,439 questions and they'll tell stories. It's cool, man. Yeah, 915 00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:04,079 yeah. A lot of cool stuff. And my beautiful wife I have to give 916 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,259 her credit for a shoot she on those types of things. She She 917 00:56:07,259 --> 00:56:12,389 organizes it and comes with points and shoots me. It's no 918 00:56:12,389 --> 00:56:15,029 that's it. I love that. You know, I think I saw I think it 919 00:56:15,029 --> 00:56:16,469 was 2016 920 00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:20,580 I believe I saw your wife play bass with Courtney Love on a 921 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:26,250 hotel. A Hollywood rooftop party. Yeah, she played with 922 00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:31,800 love. And that was before she she she join the death metal. 923 00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:36,720 Yeah. And, and it's, you know, a great, a great thing if you knew 924 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,120 your partner, someone who understands the business and it 925 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,240 makes life a lot easier and and can also, you know, a good bass 926 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:46,770 player drummer, we know that, you know, 927 00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:52,800 rhythm section of life. Yes, yes. Now that NAMM as a great 928 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,010 thing, who's who plays drums right now in the Eagles? Death 929 00:56:56,010 --> 00:57:00,000 Metal. Okay, these are death metal right now is someone who's 930 00:57:00,270 --> 00:57:01,710 awesome, who I'm glad you asked me about 931 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,050 their longtime drummer, he retired after maybe two tours 932 00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:12,390 ago. And they needed a drummer. So I they, they asked me to 933 00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:15,060 assist in the, you know, the search being a drummer, and now 934 00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:18,840 it's close that group with the other death metal. And we 935 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,640 started to look for drummers. And I thought it would be cool 936 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,480 idea. And so there's my wife to have to try to find a rock and 937 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,710 gal, you know, girl playing the drums and okay, the lot of good 938 00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:33,180 people, every 939 00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:37,380 every description, good drummers out there. And 940 00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:40,470 we were looking through drum videos and 941 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,880 for some reason, and it was in the background, because we 942 00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:48,990 checked out a few there's already five that were amazing. 943 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:54,510 Wait a minute, who's that? Go back to that one. No, no, that 944 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:57,510 one before that. Who is that? And it's a girl. Her name was 945 00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:58,590 Leah Bluestein. 946 00:57:59,610 --> 00:58:01,170 And she's Berkeley grad. 947 00:58:02,970 --> 00:58:05,550 Just 25 years old. 948 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,060 Berkeley graduate, who can 949 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:16,800 read anything? Latin jazz fusion, but she could also do 950 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:23,580 punk rock, got her NASM. And I said, this is the person. And we 951 00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:26,970 got in touch with Leah. And she came out. And I never even met 952 00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:29,670 her before I saw her videos and her vibe. We spoke during the 953 00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:31,350 phone. And she came and went. 954 00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:36,840 Went to the audition process. And they stop talking to people 955 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,100 after it's she's very clear choice. And so she's been doing 956 00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:44,100 with them for the last couple of years. Right? She's great. I 957 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:47,400 like going and watching. I mean, you're like me, I'm sure I like 958 00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:51,810 every drummer and like going to sit on the side. And then you 959 00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:54,420 know, be able to walk around and go to the front and have to 960 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,760 suddenly steal from everyone. Yeah, yeah. 961 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,850 Any time night or day i So and then seeing one that 962 00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:05,820 Blows your head off. 963 00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:08,310 That 964 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,210 you know, there's certain drummers that do that. Well. 965 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,300 They're really good. And I kind of know what they're doing. I 966 00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,730 can't do it, but I know what they're doing. And then you see 967 00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:20,850 ones that I don't even know what you're doing. She's 968 00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:25,080 Oh my God, that's incredible. Yeah. But you got to keep that 969 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,420 in our back pocket while she's playing with the Eagles because 970 00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:30,810 that's that's just rocket straight down the middleman. 971 00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:34,620 Yeah, so you find her her name is Leah Bluestein. And you look 972 00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:38,820 her up incredible. She's great. So they're, they're you know, 973 00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:43,410 tight, like really tight band and I think they'll be going on 974 00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:47,250 the road later this year. And we're going to be doing stuff my 975 00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:50,460 wife and myself. I think we're going to go do South by 976 00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:51,870 Southwest with them. 977 00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:54,300 There's a 978 00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:57,780 you know, keep fresh, they're going to do that. A few other 979 00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,970 ones and you know, there's just always stuff going 980 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,720 Don't always always that's I'm saying it's like, you know, my 981 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,260 life I just, I'm the same way I just tried to have a lot of 982 01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:10,770 creative options. And that all fill in on the calendar. So 983 01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:13,560 every day you get to do something creative. Exactly 984 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,130 right. You know? Exactly right. And and so so what are your 985 01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:20,220 plans? When are you going out again? Oh, man, our plans were 986 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,340 were pretty late. You know, we used to do 200 shows a year and 987 01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:25,800 then you know, it gets whittled down as the venue's get bigger. 988 01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:29,310 And now we're on a cool cycle where we pretty much do about 989 01:00:29,340 --> 01:00:34,110 5055 shows a year and it's usually July to October, so I do 990 01:00:34,110 --> 01:00:36,780 every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, July to October. 991 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,020 That's awesome. Easy limited. If you don't have to, when are you 992 01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:44,370 going on the road if you don't have to? 993 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,540 You want to do a couple of weeks here a couple exams I know I 994 01:00:48,540 --> 01:00:52,380 will always jump I'm a road dog. I will always jump into a bunk 995 01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:55,020 man you know, sometimes it's weird that I have to come home 996 01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:57,660 and like grocery shop and make sure that the lawn is cut and 997 01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:00,210 all that stuff because I'm just so used to the 20 years of just 998 01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:01,860 living on the road you know, 999 01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:05,190 but we have a cool you know, we have a cool lifestyle in 1000 01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:07,290 Nashville where you could jump on the bus on a Wednesday night 1001 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,470 and get your rocks off Thursday, Friday, Saturday with with the 1002 01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:13,260 people and then Monday through Wednesday. You can write songs 1003 01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:18,540 produce record, you know, do your thing you know. So January 1004 01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:22,080 to June Do you not take gigs or do you? Oh no, I take I take 1005 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,620 gigs I do sessions on Music Row. I do sessions here in my house. 1006 01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:29,730 I I teach a lot. I just wrote a new book I'm promoting and then 1007 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,230 you know we I'm I'm recommitted to this podcast. One episode a 1008 01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:38,040 week and five years ago, we are hot and heavy, like two episodes 1009 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,400 a week man no matter what like Marc Maron that's how you do it 1010 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,310 man Joe Rogan that's and then you know, life gets in the way. 1011 01:01:44,310 --> 01:01:46,650 And so we like sometimes just like one episode a week. That's 1012 01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:51,510 what we're gonna do. 52 episodes this week this year. Yeah. Yeah, 1013 01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:51,960 man. 1014 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,400 It's amazing. But dude, thank you so much for sharing your 1015 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,720 time with us this amazing story, this amazing legacy. I I admire 1016 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,220 your passion, your charisma, your groove, and you're just 1017 01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:08,070 keeping it all alive, man. Thank you. Oh, well, thanks for 1018 01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:11,370 reaching out. Just you know, you and me know. Probably a lot of 1019 01:02:11,370 --> 01:02:15,000 people watching is you know, the drums are thing you know, we 1020 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:15,750 just love 1021 01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:19,890 that. No, we're not like all the other ones. All drummers like 1022 01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:22,320 each other. Oh, no, it's a brotherhood sisterhood. And we 1023 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,040 will close down that diner late at night. It's just drummers. 1024 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,700 And that's what we want to talk about, you know, the threads on 1025 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:32,370 the cymbal stand for an hour. Fine with me. 1026 01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:39,630 Totally. It's a beautiful thing. And you know, we've been with 1027 01:02:39,630 --> 01:02:43,830 Gretch Zildjian. Vic Firth since day one on grandfathered in. 1028 01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:47,280 When things changed a few years ago, they made a contract signed 1029 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,700 by Fred Gretsch signed by Vic Firth rip signed by Armin 1030 01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:54,120 Zildjian. And like that alone to me, I would have one right, 1031 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,840 they're giving me a drum kit. And now it's amazing. Now, were 1032 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:03,030 you with DW at one point? Yes, yes, I saw like an instructional 1033 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,500 video on YouTube when they first thought I had a kit made because 1034 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:08,940 John good was a friend of mine. And 1035 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,980 so, so we had to keep me from them. But just the whole idea 1036 01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:17,940 that like, you know, an all drummers are the same to get 1037 01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:22,440 your simple setup in the Zildjian catalog. Pretty cool. 1038 01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:26,610 You already want everything pretty cool when when when the 1039 01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:29,520 people at these companies they see you and they respect you as 1040 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,010 a touring musician or a recording musician or an 1041 01:03:32,010 --> 01:03:36,450 educator. And they're just like, we believe in you and we support 1042 01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:41,580 you and it's this beautiful back and forth relationship. I 1043 01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:45,570 couldn't agree more among on one 9% So if we cut it out, that's 1044 01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:48,060 what it is. You gotta know it. Yeah, it's been kind of going in 1045 01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:50,130 and out. It's kind of a cool effect as it looks like the sun 1046 01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:54,210 is cresting or something but hey man and built in effect. Rogers 1047 01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:56,700 would know behind this is the beautiful thing and it is that 1048 01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:00,960 stained glass is gorgeous, man. I you know, I ran so much during 1049 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,480 COVID all over Beverly Hills. I probably ran past your house a 1050 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,170 million times. That's cuz I spent on COVID in Beverly Hills. 1051 01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:12,300 A one Beverly Glen. Oh, nice. Yeah. Street like the main 1052 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:15,960 street is right there. Yeah, my girl had a spot on Doheny and 1053 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,550 Beverly so it was kind of like right there. 1054 01:04:18,570 --> 01:04:19,050 Which 1055 01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:23,340 she was by the it was it was an apartment complex kind of like 1056 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:27,720 by the Ralph's and right on the corner of Bohemian bedroom. I 1057 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:34,080 lived for 20 years on Tony drive and Sunset Boulevard. Right 1058 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,350 there at the right there would that impossible? You know, how 1059 01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:40,320 do I park my car? It's like straight up like this. It's 1060 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,070 exactly Christian Turner's 1014 North Rohini I lived there for 1061 01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:47,910 25 years. That's my so you are right next to the filters. Right 1062 01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:51,570 across the street. Yeah, that's a great what what a sci fi thing 1063 01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:53,670 I mean, if you drive past it, you'll see it. It's got the old 1064 01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:56,130 awning that was my house for the longest time. That's really 1065 01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,470 incredible. It ever is no excuse to not go out every night on the 1066 01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:59,790 Sunset Strip if you live right there. 1067 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,070 Yeah, I walked everywhere. 1068 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,940 Man, you made it kid. 1069 01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,920 Your addresses Sunset Boulevard, you're doing something right. 1070 01:05:12,389 --> 01:05:15,089 Beautiful, awesome, brother. Well, hey, we really appreciate 1071 01:05:15,089 --> 01:05:17,939 it. And we hope that we could see you in the flesh here as 1072 01:05:17,939 --> 01:05:19,979 well the listeners. Hey, thanks so much. If you love the show, 1073 01:05:19,979 --> 01:05:23,129 subscribe, share rate and review. 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