1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,580 Unknown: Men's show. But Jim, he said, I don't want to put that 2 00:00:05,580 --> 00:00:08,580 kind of pressure on myself to have to pay the bills playing 3 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:12,000 the drums, right, which can be pretty smart. So he goes, You 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,760 know what? I'm just gonna produce 20 podcasts and then, 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,560 you know, have a million other businesses. 6 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:19,260 No, I just basically got to the point where I don't really know 7 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:22,640 how to get into that business, into I lived outside of New York 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,760 City all my life, and I'm like, Yeah, I don't know what to do, 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:26,960 you know? Well, 10 00:00:26,959 --> 00:00:29,839 you know, do, but you know, you I went out when I was 18. You 11 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:31,039 took a different path, you 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,100 know? I don't know. I don't know if I still know how to get into 13 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:37,040 that business, honestly, and how to do it since I was a kid. So I 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,840 don't know. There's no rules. 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,300 So, Kev, what? What time At what age did you start hitting the 16 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:43,780 skins? 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,920 I was really young, because my great uncle was a real drummer. 18 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:51,340 So, you mean, like, a big band drum, yeah, big band drummer. He 19 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:54,520 was a real, like, could actually play, you know, and you're being 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,820 so self deputy, well, you know, was buddies with Gene Krupa, who 21 00:00:57,820 --> 00:00:59,800 used to come to my great grandmother's house for 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,580 spaghetti and, no way, stuff, yeah, that's a whole Deep Dive. 23 00:01:02,580 --> 00:01:04,080 Oh god, dude, you remember 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,780 that? No no before, way before my time, because he's my great 25 00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:09,540 uncle. So we're talking about, like, the 40s and the 50s, yeah, 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,780 in southern Connecticut, because, you know, lived in 27 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:15,660 like, Yonkers or something, and they were friends, just like, I 28 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:19,380 know you Yeah, he knew they knew they were on the scene, right? 29 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:24,260 So, anyway, so as kids, my great uncle gave all the boy cousins, 30 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:27,320 of course, drumsticks. I'm a little kid going, well, he's the 31 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,620 coolest guy I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I'm gonna I love 32 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:35,000 this. I don't why do we do it? I have no idea. We're drawn to it. 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,580 We're called to it. There's an animal. I'm a little kid. I just 34 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:42,100 loved it. That was that, yeah, was, I don't know if I was good 35 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:45,460 at it. I just loved it, yeah, so, so I'm, I'm a little kid. 36 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:49,720 I'm six, seven years old, with a pair of drum sticks. And, you 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,360 know, my mom sent me to drum lessons at the Italian community 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,200 center, you know, because they were $4 or whatever. And you sit 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,320 in a group, and I remember sitting in a folding chair, 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,740 being so small that my feet couldn't really touch the ground 41 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:04,860 and all these bigger kids and I'm with a pad in front of me 42 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:07,440 trying to figure out what's happening. I just loved it, 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,360 though, really weird thing to like, 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,820 because now six or seven years old, that means that you and I 45 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:15,180 are in the same path. We're relatively the same age. Because 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,080 for me, I was six years old 1976 had the sticks in my hands. Joel 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,140 Rothman, book, here's a five stroke roll. Here's a flam kid, 48 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:27,200 this is what a march sounds like. This is book, a boom. 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Guys, kabuka, boom. Ka and you build on that, yeah, and, and we 50 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,900 did. We built a lot. We not only built a house, we built cities. 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,380 And then we come back to book, a boom casket. Book, a doomka. 52 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:43,120 For me, it never really left there as a kid. You know, by the 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,540 time you're 12, I have a band with neighborhood kids, yeah, 54 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:49,060 and figuring out rock and roll. And soon as you boom, whack, 55 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:51,520 boom, boom, whack, I'm like, Well, this is it, yeah, this is, 56 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:52,000 this is, 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,860 I'm done. You could take, you could play, taking care of 58 00:02:53,860 --> 00:02:55,900 business. You could play all right now, you could play 59 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:56,620 everything, 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,240 all of it, you know, can't get enough whatever, you know, any 61 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,080 bad company song, yeah, for me, it's still that, you know, still 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,460 makes the hair stand up on the back of 63 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:07,800 my neck. I'm loving that you're saying that because everybody 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,160 that knows Jim and I knows that we're we all. We go back to the 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,220 classic rock, and that is what you would call money beat number 66 00:03:14,220 --> 00:03:16,320 three. Money, beat number three is boom, crack, boom, boom, 67 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,440 crack, right? So you mentioned, can't get enough of your love. 68 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Yeah? Paul Rogers singing his heart out. Yep, that's a 69 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,000 shuffled version of, boom, whack, boom, boom, right? 70 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 So you're learning a shuffle, not knowing what's happening. 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,060 But really, for me, I'm listening to the singer, always 72 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:35,360 listening to the singer, and rarely the drummer. Well, of 73 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,880 course, I'm listening to the drummer, but that singer just, 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,420 you know, Paul Rogers just lit me on fire. You know, Robert 75 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:42,700 Plant just lit me on fire. Of course, I'm listening to John 76 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:46,300 Bonham, but without that singer pocketing that thing, 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,360 it's just literally up as a kid. Have you gotten to meet Paul 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,520 Rogers? No, okay. No, 79 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,940 did you? Are you a lyric first person or instrument for like, 80 00:03:54,940 --> 00:03:56,980 when you hear a song, what do you gravitate 81 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:00,100 towards the singer? Yeah, always, really, it's got it 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,240 that's got to get me. Oh, it's a weird thing, right? As much as I 83 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,020 love drums, I 84 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:07,140 mean, I'm hearing the drums and how it all fits. Oh, my God, the 85 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:10,320 wall of sound. He's riding that crash, and it's got that. Phil 86 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,140 Spector, you know, you're getting that, but without a 87 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:17,100 great singer, a drummer, just by himself, and I might get some 88 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:21,440 hate for this. It is after five minutes. It's a sad tale, yeah, 89 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,360 I want to hear someone sing something, 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,260 so the singer and then a guitar riff, yeah, in that space, 91 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:30,200 because that's making the whole thing pop, whether you're Jimmy 92 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,980 Page, but just pick anybody at whatever riff, especially from 93 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:37,280 our era, the guitar riff is the whole thing, yeah, and then the 94 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,480 singer, you know, sort of leading the charge. That's what 95 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,860 drew me to the whole thing. Do you 96 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:45,400 remember what your gateway drug music was, the first when you 97 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,160 went from your mom's music, your parents' music 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,860 to your music? Interesting? Yeah? Well, yes, because my 99 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:53,620 parents were like, what teenagers in the 50s. So my dad 100 00:04:53,620 --> 00:04:56,980 had all these rock and roll records from the 50s. So, you 101 00:04:56,980 --> 00:05:01,140 know, compilation stuff. Chuck Berry. All that stuff. Just and 102 00:05:01,140 --> 00:05:05,760 as a kid, it's real easy to get into that, right? I mean, it's 103 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,280 just that little Richard, all that stuff, says little kid, 104 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:11,040 he's almost nursery rhyme, like you could just feel it 105 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:12,120 immediately. 106 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Little did. I know you know 107 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,080 that Little Richard was singing about some deeply sexual thing, 108 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,980 heavy stuff, right? It just seems like kiddie stuff, right 109 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:24,740 when you're a kid, but you can feel it when you're a kid, so 110 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,280 definitely gateway. Then as a little kid, you see something 111 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,760 like the Jackson Five on TV, and you're like, what is happening 112 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,060 here, all these little kids playing instruments and singing 113 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:40,400 and, you know? And then, of course, opening that gatefold 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,780 kiss alive record at like, 10 years old. It's game over. 115 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:44,980 That's, that 116 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:48,520 was you with that game. It's God rest ace, yeah, God rest his 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,060 soul. It's, uh, that's, that's the end of it for me. I there 118 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,480 was no, I didn't know what that was gonna mean for the rest of 119 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,780 my life. I just knew this was it, yeah, this is it. You're, 120 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:03,600 you're a lifer. I'm doing this, whatever this is, I don't know 121 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,080 how, 122 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,340 but you made it happen. I guess you're a singer's dream, because 123 00:06:08,340 --> 00:06:12,120 you're you've already told the whole world for all time on a 124 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,600 public record that that you listen to the vocal, and that is 125 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,600 the prerequisite, not only for Nashville, but just any non 126 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,920 instrumental music you've got to listen to the singer. If you're 127 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,540 setting up your wedge, your wedge on the floor, mix, no 128 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:33,020 inner monitors. What can you get by with? You got to have the 129 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:33,560 vocal. 130 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,220 Give me that vocal, maybe a character much as you got, and 131 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:40,600 maybe that guitar player, yeah, and that's it, yeah, you know 132 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,080 yourself, no, I'm sitting over it, 133 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:48,340 but a nice Lars Ulrich kick coming through the wedge is 134 00:06:48,340 --> 00:06:48,640 nice. 135 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:51,520 Oh, yeah, no, absolutely for the fire. And back in the day, you 136 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,860 know, you'd have these side fills, where your wedges, what? 137 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:58,300 That's exactly why I can't hear anything, you know. But that 138 00:06:58,300 --> 00:07:01,920 wasn't, that was only to feel it really is sort of caveman 139 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,620 version of just trying to feel the thing, not necessarily 140 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:08,580 hearing it loud. You just want to feel the thump even today 141 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:12,900 like it. I don't have drums in my ears. I have a Thumper in my 142 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:13,440 Thumper. 143 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,540 And that's the funny thing is that how much of the new 144 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:17,460 generation has no idea what you're talking 145 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:23,060 about. I don't know your roll. Call you guys, but 146 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,700 wait, but wait, So Ken, you're telling me that in your ears, 147 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:27,860 you don't have any of your drums. 148 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:32,900 I have a I'm exaggerating a little bit, but essentially, no, 149 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:35,000 I have a little overhead, you know, 150 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,020 to give me. Give it to me. No bass guitar, nothing. No. He's 151 00:07:39,020 --> 00:07:42,700 no no. He's saying no drums, no drums, no real drums, really? 152 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,660 Why not level 153 00:07:52,720 --> 00:08:00,600 it up? Drummers from around the world, we cover, you know, I got 154 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,860 numbers every styles, percussion, music, insider info, 155 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:08,220 career development, so I don't positive mindset and much more. 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Of course, we address all your questions, and my deep 157 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,100 curriculum has helped players of all kinds I kind of the ball 158 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,040 down the field grow closer to their goals, even getting 159 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,040 accepted to college music programs, moving to that dream 160 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,440 music town, getting links and keeping them find out more about 161 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:34,460 my one on one, go to drum. 10. Are you? I can't hear that 162 00:08:35,539 --> 00:08:38,959 frequency anymore. Anyway. Someone had hi hat in the 163 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:39,499 window, or 164 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:43,000 maybe you're just starting out. Want to hit the ground. Starting 165 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:50,980 out. Am I crazy? Bet you know for us, it's like 25 166 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:56,200 longest running radio 167 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:13,620 show from average off. The way house drummers are lefties, 168 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:17,580 right? You got Mark Beck and you got Eddie bears for me with for 169 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:20,360 not on ears. Everything that has come through that wedge has been 170 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,940 like, steel guitar and blast, yeah, yes, no lead vocal, and 171 00:09:25,939 --> 00:09:28,939 you have no time to set that up. No time. 172 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,600 There's no bitching. There's no like, You call this a mix, you 173 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,520 know? It's just like, it's time to go, 174 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,140 go. My only move, I literally have time to I'll grab whatever 175 00:09:39,140 --> 00:09:41,500 headphones are there, and I'll just chuck them on, yeah, just 176 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:44,020 the house headphones, and I'll just grab the high hat, because 177 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:46,960 it's always like, a million miles away from me. I'm a short 178 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,420 guy. I just pull it in. I'm like, and they're pointing at 179 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:51,520 me. I'm like, Well, we're doing this meanwhile. I'm going around 180 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,040 the drums. I'm hitting all rims, because the drums are so high, 181 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,440 you know, I can't reach them. It's like, all right, whatever. 182 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,000 It's fine. It'll be they'll hear the cross stick. 183 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,020 It's so uncomfortable to get him, somebody. Was wild. And 184 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:03,840 it's because, I mean, when I visited you in Detroit, rich 185 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:06,720 recently, yeah, recently, and, you know, like, sit down and 186 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,660 play. I'm like, I can't play your kid, man, your snare drum 187 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:11,820 is, like, freaking midway between my thighs. 188 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:14,400 People really have a problem with my snare drum because it's 189 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,720 so low. You know, my heroes were Tony Thompson, liberty Devito, 190 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,100 Kenny Aronoff, Phil Collins, and they all did. 191 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:25,220 They angled snare drum so you could hit your your thigh at the 192 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:28,520 same time. But the funny thing is, with yours, is that your 193 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,960 seat, like, I have a nice 90 degree angle on my leg for my 194 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,660 kick drum, right about there. Yeah, dude, you're like, 100 195 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,680 105 degrees. Sure. There's some serious things that we could do 196 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,220 to change the way our kits are set up right to better suit our 197 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:46,540 bodies and stuff. 198 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,780 You ever sit behind somebody kit, somebody else's kit, and 199 00:10:49,780 --> 00:10:52,600 all of a sudden it makes so much more sense than yours, and 200 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,480 you're like, how do I replicate this? And you never can. 201 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Yeah, for me, it's usually trouble, because I'm a short 202 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,880 guy, so I'm like, Well, I either can't touch the floor and I have 203 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 to figure out the seat thing and not worry about the drums, yeah, 204 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,380 or I just have to go. I just gotta go. It's over. It's done. 205 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,300 Try to hit what you can 206 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,840 lowering that snare drum is like, thank God. That's pretty 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,120 easy on the opry kid, and it's always, it's like a Yamaha 208 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,700 recording custom. Sounds really nice. But you know, I'm a short 209 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:26,360 guy too. But you know what? You don't play as, you don't read as 210 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:30,620 as a short guy. You you've got a huge personality. You're a super 211 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:34,760 affable, you know, high energy dude. So I never think of you 212 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,540 like that. And matter of fact, I didn't even know I was short 213 00:11:38,780 --> 00:11:42,820 until maybe, you know, like the fourth decade of my life. 214 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,740 Because, you know, as drummers, we have to have some of the most 215 00:11:47,740 --> 00:11:53,140 confidence to go on stage and do what we do. So with that 216 00:11:53,140 --> 00:11:58,360 confidence came chest out, yeah, you know what? I mean, it's 217 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,460 like. And then all these athletes come backstage, get the 218 00:12:00,460 --> 00:12:04,140 Red Sox backstage, get the Atlanta Braves backstage, and 219 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:06,240 they're looking down at you, and they're seeing if, like, where 220 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,600 you're balding and stuff. You're like, what's up there? 221 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,620 Yeah, I know. Like, how did you do your NBA player? How did you 222 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:15,660 do that? And like, Are you kidding me? You play for the 223 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:16,320 bulls, 224 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:19,080 but they watch us do our thing, and they're blown away. I know, 225 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:25,040 because we are. We are New York city traffic cops meets Olympic 226 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,500 athletes, and we are doing it and sweating. There's no other 227 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:31,400 job I'd rather have in the 228 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,100 world. I know it's, it's pretty wacky, and you don't really 229 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:40,300 think about it, you just go time and you just go, Yeah, I don't 230 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:43,600 know what to make of all of it. I just go. But you know, there 231 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,340 is a I'm not, like, I don't walk around in my day like that, 232 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,680 yeah. But behind the kid, you're like, Okay, here's how it's 233 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:55,600 gonna go. Go. Are you the band leader? I am okay, by default, I 234 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,360 guess just because I've been here forever. Well, when you 235 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:58,540 have 236 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:01,560 a relationship with Rodney, your artist is Rodney Atkins, yeah, 237 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:06,060 and he's, you've been in Nashville since 97 Yes, same as 238 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:10,560 me. 97 you've been playing with your artist for 25 years, 239 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:14,400 almost. I met him. Like, like we all do with me, yeah. Like, 240 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:21,200 really lucky. You know, you know we'd be making a living no 241 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,040 matter what, because we love to play. Yeah, but when you hook up 242 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,000 with somebody that is willing to have you on their payroll, and 243 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,820 they champion you, and they respect you, and they're loyal 244 00:13:31,820 --> 00:13:35,480 like that for multi decades now, we both know that that's that 245 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,500 doesn't happen all the time. 246 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:40,480 No, no, it's it's pretty rare. Also, changing drummers is a 247 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,960 real pain in the ass. Guitar players, you can change. It's 248 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,160 not great. But drummers, man, if you got one, just keep them. If 249 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 you can build your own monster. 250 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:53,440 You heard it here, folks, if you've got a drummer that's 251 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,640 working in your band, 252 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,120 just I promise you, keep them. The grass is not greener. Keep 253 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,560 her. Keep her. It gets we need 254 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:02,880 more female. Don't be podcast, yeah, don't be 255 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,800 slip nut. Yeah, it's tricky. You gotta wonder, like, with all the 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,560 overturn, like, when you have a band that's got so much overturn 257 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:15,180 in a particular position, like a drummer, do you do as a drummer? 258 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,300 Do you keep that in mind, if you had to, and basically going into 259 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:21,800 it saying, and do you use it as leverage? You know what I mean? 260 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,880 Like, okay, you guys have a tendency to turn people over and 261 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,960 need to in two years, I gotta look out for me. You know what I 262 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,920 mean? Well, we're lucky. 263 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,240 We'd have to worry about that. Yeah, 264 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:35,780 people say that. Yeah, I'm sure I've said it to you. If somebody 265 00:14:35,780 --> 00:14:38,720 said it to me, because, you know I'm we're more in this middle 266 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,140 ground. But where people have said me, did you ever think of 267 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:44,560 playing for somebody else? I'm like, well, well, sure, but I'm 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,640 sure what that means. But because this guy, I'm working. 269 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,760 But also I always joke like, well, all my friends play for 270 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,180 the biggest dudes in town, unless they will me their gig 271 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:57,820 for some reason, where, where are you going? I mean, so you 272 00:14:57,820 --> 00:14:58,000 got 273 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,500 to you're gainfully. Employee, right? Because 274 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,980 you could go somewhere else that's bigger or this or that, 275 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,520 and be bounced in two weeks. So, yeah, a double, you know, versus 276 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,220 Yeah. And there's plenty of people that play that game. They 277 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:14,100 want to jump, they'll jump a gig for 25 bucks. And I'm like, 278 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:14,820 Guys, 279 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,500 there's no loyalty. Big picture. Guys, 280 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:20,300 focus, focus, focus. But then he got, you know, artists that will 281 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:23,660 after a long time, yeah, blow out half their band whenever we 282 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,140 know we know who did it. And it's like, what happens to these 283 00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:31,160 guys that do that? Let me stop and pause. No, 284 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:35,240 I'm, you know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what that is. I think 285 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,700 it's a there's probably a lot of reasons we can get into 286 00:15:37,940 --> 00:15:43,840 sometimes people feel neither they need to to to clean house, 287 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,060 to make somehow something else happen. 288 00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:51,520 Yeah, it came up on another podcast that I do, and I said, 289 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,880 you know, in the rock world, and I think there's a level of 290 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:57,220 forgiveness from the audience, you know, we've seen it happen, 291 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:59,680 especially with Van Halen, not necessarily the drummer, with 292 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,400 singers, yeah, I think the audience drew the line at Gary 293 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,980 Sharon. They're like, okay, and it's funny, because it's really 294 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:08,940 Gary wasn't bad for the band. He was a great singer. He could do 295 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:12,900 the Sammy and the Dave stuff really well. But he just like, 296 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,780 dude, the audience like, Guys, get your act together. Man. This 297 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:17,460 is we're kind of getting tired of this. You 298 00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:21,320 can also tell when something's Like, legitimately working. And 299 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,780 there's, there's a there's a change, and it's for the better, 300 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:26,120 and they went to a new place, and it's interesting for 301 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,300 everybody, the fans and the band involved, that's cool. Hey, 302 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,880 you're searching for something new and fresh. There's nothing 303 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,840 wrong with that, but sometimes you just play the player 304 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,660 roulette, which kind of goes nowhere. And you can't stop some 305 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:41,320 of those people from doing that. Luckily, we were fortunate to 306 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,080 not have to deal with that. But, yeah, but it was all luck, 307 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,780 because when I moved to town, I was just playing for anybody, 308 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:53,200 and that asked me whether it was in town, out of town. Roddy was 309 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,520 just among many of the people I played with or for. I didn't 310 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,200 have a clue who was going to do what or why their career is not 311 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,320 my career. I'm just trying to figure it out. I can't worry 312 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,500 about I wasn't a band with record deals. I did all that 313 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,720 Nashville is like, I'm just going to try to be a drummer, 314 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,020 whatever that means, pro drummer for hire. Yes, I never, had 315 00:17:13,020 --> 00:17:15,660 never done that before. I don't know. I didn't know what it 316 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:19,800 meant when I moved here. Luckily, I had idiot timing, and 317 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,300 it was a time when Nashville wasn't cool, and there was an 318 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:25,760 opportunity to sort of get in there. But again, I would just 319 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,140 play for anybody that asked me and try to figure it out. And 320 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:33,080 Roddy is one of the dudes I met, and we played some gigs, and he 321 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,640 never got any hits. And he'd call me occasionally. I would 322 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,740 see you playing with other people, and I was playing with 323 00:17:39,740 --> 00:17:40,820 Rodney with no hits. 324 00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:44,320 You. Oh, I was trying to come up. I was playing with Rush low 325 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,220 at Rush point. I was 326 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:48,340 Rodney on his first record, and we'd be playing at 12 noon at a 327 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:52,000 festival. Nobody cared. You know, I don't know. I'm just 328 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:52,540 playing, 329 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,480 hey, when you're going through hell, keep going. Just keep 330 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,600 on going. I mean, now, now, now, now, Rodney, Rodney Atkins, 331 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,160 he's, he's also around our age, five studio albums that sound 332 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,840 right, and six number ones. Wow. 333 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,260 Yeah, six number ones. And he's got a bunch of other songs that 334 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:10,560 live like number ones, which keeps the set 335 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,600 moving. And there is no tough fans whatever that is more loyal 336 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:17,940 than the country music, 337 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,160 which I was getting to before talking about some of the 338 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,560 artists that we you know, not going to name them, but they 339 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,840 blow out half their band and stuff like that. Do you think 340 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,340 the audience reacts to that like because they they the audience 341 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:34,880 respects and commands loyalty. They're going to be loyal to 342 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,520 their artists, but if they see the artist not being loyal to 343 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,920 their guys, do you think that has an effect on it? Because 344 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,760 we've seen some artists do that, and all of a sudden, the artists 345 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,060 themselves kind of, okay, you're you kind of shot yourself in the 346 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:48,040 foot. Do you think that's a thing 347 00:18:49,180 --> 00:18:50,500 in our genre? 348 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:53,200 It's definitely artist driven. Oh yeah, yeah. 349 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:04,140 You really don't care who the drummer is, 350 00:19:04,439 --> 00:19:07,619 yeah, but, I mean, but kind of true, your audience has gotten 351 00:19:07,619 --> 00:19:10,559 to know you guys. They know Al Dean's band because you've been 352 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,259 there for 25 years and all the records. That's what I mean. 353 00:19:13,499 --> 00:19:14,399 It's like, there's a 354 00:19:14,399 --> 00:19:18,359 loyalty it can but I think in country at the end, I think it's 355 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,519 still pretty artist driven, of course. I take that to remind 356 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,659 myself, like, Hey man, you know, I don't mean this in a bad way. 357 00:19:26,659 --> 00:19:29,839 You know, I'm side me, you know, so, and that's the beauty of it. 358 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:34,879 I'm a dude who's just hired by someone, yeah, and it's a 359 00:19:34,879 --> 00:19:38,539 healthy thing to know that it's cool I'm working for that dude, 360 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,159 and it's not my band. If it was my band, he probably wouldn't be 361 00:19:42,159 --> 00:19:42,699 my singer, 362 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,520 but he comes to you and he values your opinion. 363 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,100 You're the liaison between him and the guys, and that's a great 364 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:51,280 thing. 365 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,880 And and again, he had no hits for a while, and we've always 366 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,880 pick up bands, which is a nightmare for an original 367 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,320 artist. It's not a blues jam, it's very. Difficult to just sub 368 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,520 every weekend with a guy who's got a record. It's 369 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,340 just so you knew that. You you knew the tunes solid, but then 370 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:10,020 you'd have guys read number charts up there, 371 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:12,900 yeah? Or lay. My favorite part was, uh, Hey, man, I was just 372 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,000 laying out because I didn't really know. Oh yeah. Thanks for 373 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,540 laying out, bro. It's, now, it's just drums and vocal because you 374 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:18,960 laid 375 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,980 out. It's like, totally James Brown, yeah, thanks, vocal. What 376 00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:23,540 is that for the layman? What 377 00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:25,940 does that mean? So, laying out. So, you know, they show up with 378 00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:30,380 their charts, and they maybe they're not prepared. So instead 379 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:35,360 of a showing up prepared, or B reading their charts or playing 380 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:39,440 something in the key that we're in, they just decide to lay out 381 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,040 and not play. I'm just gonna hang back and not 382 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,220 play until I hear the second chorus come around, and maybe 383 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,000 they'll get it on the 384 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,360 outro. Yeah. So they're milking it, yeah, and just sort of 385 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,560 staying out of the way. That was 386 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,580 probably when you know Rodney was doing Yes. Early day, early, 387 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:58,900 early county fairs, first record no hits. Everyone's eating their 388 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:01,800 elephant ears and their fried Snicker bars, and they're 389 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,320 setting up their chairs because Brooks and Dunn's coming out at 390 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,140 10 o'clock at night, and we're on at noon, right? You know, in 391 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:08,400 cadat or something. 392 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,100 But still, I mean, for a musician to do that, I can't, 393 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,620 how do you expect to have longevity? 394 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,940 They don't. They're, guess how many times I called them again, 395 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,960 zero times. So 396 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,520 they're miming us. Essentially, they what they're miming, yeah, 397 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:22,940 basically, 398 00:21:22,940 --> 00:21:25,460 because they didn't really come prepared, or they kind of got a 399 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:27,800 little spooked, or they don't have the experience, or they 400 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,540 just didn't go for it. Just go for 401 00:21:29,540 --> 00:21:31,580 it. And that's a double edged sword, because you're, you're 402 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:34,340 getting guys at the early part of someone's career, yes, and 403 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:37,880 they're like, Hey, man, it's, we're gone for three days. The 404 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,600 pay is 180 bucks. You got to learn 20 songs, yeah, and 405 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,740 there's no rehearsal. 406 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:48,340 You might not to get the best musicians. 407 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:50,920 No, it's Slim Pickens and, 408 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:55,000 but it was, but it was me and Ronnie. So I was the dude 409 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,420 eventually trying to figure out, you know, how we get some guys 410 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,040 in here that can play a little bit and and figure it out, but, 411 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:05,520 but then he was dead in the water, so then it was just him 412 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,980 and I, yeah, and I had gotten another gig, so I didn't, wasn't 413 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:13,620 playing with Rodney. He's like, Hey, man, we're gonna release 414 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:15,540 this single. If you're going through hell, you know they're 415 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:18,000 gonna let me release this if you want to come play a gig with me. 416 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,840 I'm like, sure I'll come play a gig, dude. I'm like, I'm 417 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,780 thinking his career is done. Come over, come over for dinner 418 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:27,560 sometime. But I got this other gig, sure enough, six months 419 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,100 later, out of nowhere, number one, four consecutive number 420 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:35,540 one. So what does that mean? I don't know. I just kept 421 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,780 but that buys you 20 years in the music business. If you got 422 00:22:38,780 --> 00:22:41,380 six number one songs and a couple of songs that play like 423 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:45,100 number ones. Yeah, you got ravenous fan base. Got a strong 424 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,420 back beat. Goes a long way. 425 00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:49,540 It goes a long way. And here I am still, yeah, got 426 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:53,980 off the bus this morning. You're also very, very aw shucks, self 427 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:56,980 deprecating. I mean, you got the gig for a reason. You've kept 428 00:22:56,980 --> 00:23:01,260 the gig for 25 years for a reason. And Tom hambridge, which 429 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:03,600 we've had on the show, who's a friend of yours, a fellow 430 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,360 Bostonian? Yes, he's a singer, he's a songwriter, he's a 431 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,360 producer, he's a drummer. He's probably pretty tough on 432 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,700 drummers. You're one of his go to drummers. 433 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,740 Yeah, that's a crazy thing, how that worked out, but yes, and 434 00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:18,960 that gig, I'm thinking, Oh, I'm gonna play for Tom hambridge. 435 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,920 He's my buddy. This is gonna be great. And this is after a bunch 436 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,140 of experience, he's in Nashville, you know, we're gonna 437 00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,960 do some of his record. I'm like, playing for the drummers, and 438 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,060 that's something I've never really done, right? You're 439 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:33,320 playing for a great drummer who wrote the songs, who's also a 440 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,440 producer and the singer and fronting the band, yes, yeah. 441 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,780 And I'm going, Wow, this is gonna be interesting. And I 442 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,280 remember that those rehearsals initially, I'm trying to do his 443 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,820 slinky thing, that NRB Q kind of 444 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:48,580 slinky New Orleanian, and it's drunk, eighth notes, 445 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:52,000 yeah, it's tanking because it's not really me. And he just 446 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,020 stopped, and he turned to this is Tom. He's super nice guy. 447 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:59,980 He's like, Hey, man, I just want you to slam this thing that you 448 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:03,900 know. Don't do me. Just slam this give me, like, Grand Funk, 449 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:09,120 you know, just slam this thing, yeah, to the ground. And do you 450 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,720 don't try to, like, copy me off the hook. And I went, Oh, that, 451 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,560 of course, that makes sense. I'm here for me, for me to be me, 452 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:19,980 not try to be him, because it's going to be awful. And we did 453 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:21,560 that, and it worked 454 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040 out we had a relationship. So, so is, was that you on bang and 455 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,700 roll? Did you play some drums on bang and roll that record? Bang 456 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:29,060 and roll? 457 00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:31,280 I don't think I did play any well, because hambridge, you 458 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560 know, Hey, Tommy, need a drummer. No, I got it, man. 459 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,440 Oh, so Gotcha. And then, but didn't then, did you play some 460 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,420 tracks on rodney's? It's America. 461 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:42,700 I played, I was on going through hell, some of that, 462 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:45,940 what's on, it's America, maybe one. I 463 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:48,520 was just, I was just trying to, yeah, when I was doing a deep 464 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,160 dive. Now, are you in? Do you have a side project called the 465 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,180 amplifier heads? 466 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,120 Amplifier heads, yes, that's cool. Rock is with a guitar 467 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,360 player I played with, with Tom hammers. That's we put out, I 468 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,900 don't know, four or five records. That's. Straight ahead 469 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:01,560 rock and roll, 470 00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:03,540 straight ahead, classic rock and 471 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:08,220 yeah, it's, it's straight ahead rocking. 472 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,540 That's my favorite, though. That's real fun. And we did, we 473 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:14,880 did even more during covid Because, you know, I had a rig 474 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,740 in my house. Okay, so, 475 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,160 so what's, what's this? What's the space? Like a man cave above 476 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,920 the garage and bikes. It's 477 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,619 these old I live in Hillsboro village, right in Vandy area, 478 00:25:24,619 --> 00:25:26,359 and his little old 20s bungalow. 479 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:30,440 Wait a minute, that's a boat that is. That's a nice area. 480 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,360 Well, again, again, the time we moved to town, dude, it was just 481 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,680 a regular little neighborhood. 482 00:25:36,679 --> 00:25:40,399 Can you say retire anytime you want jam, bro, buy up there. 483 00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:43,779 We bought it in, well, we lived across the street in a house 484 00:25:43,779 --> 00:25:48,159 that we rented for years, and then in 2004 we moved into the 485 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,679 house across the street right the 20s. I read the other one 486 00:25:50,679 --> 00:25:52,839 out and bought and, no, we didn't, we didn't own that one. 487 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,199 We just rented it, yeah, and we bought the house across the 488 00:25:56,199 --> 00:26:01,919 street in 2004 Evers I know at the time was real 489 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,060 money, and get on Zillow, 490 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,480 the address is still in the same house, still in 491 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,660 the same house. For you, it's a big lot too, which is kind of 492 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:13,260 funny in that neighborhood, but at the time it was real money 493 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:16,500 that I did not have, right? But you're glad you did it. But in 494 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,240 Nashville, they're like, oh, yeah, sure, you're good. You got 495 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,740 a job, you're fine. And I just bought a house that could never 496 00:26:21,740 --> 00:26:22,220 happen. 497 00:26:22,220 --> 00:26:26,000 That is like the East Village. It's funny, right? That's our 498 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,840 East Village. 499 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,020 Never thinking Nashville was going to explode me, then I 500 00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:33,740 would have been like, whatever we just, it's just convenient. 501 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:36,620 It's convenient. My wife likes it here. She worked at Vandy for 502 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,920 a bunch of years. It's, it's very convenient. I'm in town. 503 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:44,139 Is she still working at Vandy. No, she has 2020, 504 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560 they bounce, some people now she works for the Nashville scene. 505 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,220 Really, graphic designer for that. Oh, great. What you do? 506 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:54,160 Friend about she graphic design. She worked in the alumni 507 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,720 department. Graphic Designer. Great combination. She went to 508 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,900 art school. I went to music school. Great earning 509 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:05,040 capability, right there. Nailed art and music, perfect 510 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:06,840 the liberal arts, the 511 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,400 dream team of 512 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,060 but oh four around that time, yeah, we were, 513 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:16,380 you know, the real estate market was real. I was still in Vegas, 514 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:20,040 then the real estate market was hot, yeah, I think everywhere, 515 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,540 and it was leading up to the bubble that happened. So you 516 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:25,580 were right in the middle there when you bought, where the 517 00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:27,740 prices weren't at their peak, right? 518 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:30,380 And it, you know, it was more excited about the real estate. 519 00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:32,540 It was fair for the time. And, you know, we're like, well, we 520 00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:34,760 got to live somewhere, and we love this neighborhood, so let's 521 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,160 just stay here. And the little lady across the street, which we 522 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,800 worked on her for like, five years, sell us your house. Sell 523 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,460 us your house. And she did, are you close to dying? 524 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,940 Are you feeling okay? 525 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:49,480 What do you plan from the wait a minute, 526 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,940 why are my nieces calling me all the time? Everybody 527 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:54,520 knows Hillsborough village, because you know it is, it's, 528 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,680 it's the spot. Like, okay, where are we going to talk about the 529 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,840 song that we're gonna cut? Where are we gonna talk about your 530 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,300 project? Where we gonna cut this deal? Fido, yeah. So you're 531 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:03,780 right around 532 00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:06,300 Fido browns, diners, right at the end of my street. Yeah, I 533 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,300 was around the corner. It's incredible. But Belmonts, you 534 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,120 know, just throw a rock at Belmont, yeah? So, yeah, it's 535 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,420 just again, like most things in Nashville, you can't we came 536 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:19,860 here at a time where I was figuring it out, and I wasn't 537 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:23,900 thinking past a week or a year or I didn't know how long I was 538 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:26,840 gonna last here. I didn't, you know, I didn't really love it. 539 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,000 When I moved here, it was a big change for 540 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,040 me. It was like, it was not cool. 541 00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:34,940 It was literally banjos. Yeah, 542 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:37,580 it was rough. Though it was cheap. They were giving it away. 543 00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:39,980 So I was like, well, we're saving money. We rented a whole 544 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:43,900 house for half the price of our little 400 square foot apartment 545 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,020 in Boston, and I had to have a rehearsal space with all my gear 546 00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:50,080 in in Boston, so I have all my stuff in my house. This is 547 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,160 amazing, dude. 400 square feet is small, small, and that was we 548 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,040 were happy to have it. And it's in the middle of the city, and 549 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,780 that's just the norm, you know, just there's no two bedroom in 550 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:05,340 Boston, even back then, that wasn't even thinkable. It was, 551 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,820 well, the eastern seaboard cities were crazy, 552 00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:09,540 unsustainable. 553 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:13,800 Yeah. So Nashville was like, Well, this is cool. This is 554 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,880 accessible. You could put you could put drummer musician on 555 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,900 your mortgage application, and it works. I didn't put that on 556 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:23,420 my rental application in Boston, they wouldn't rent to you, 557 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,840 unreliable not having it. Sorry. They the references you needed 558 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,260 to rent an apartment. You know, was, were ridiculous. Never 559 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:34,100 mind, you know, anyway, 560 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040 do you miss Boston? Do you miss Boston? I do 561 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,140 miss it because it's a great city, yeah, but the reason we 562 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:43,960 moved is because we did everything we could do there at 563 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,540 a rock band. We had record deals. Tell us about that. Tell 564 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:49,120 us about that. The original scene was incredible in the 80s 565 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,600 and early 90s in Boston, I stumbled into that as a kid. Was 566 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840 my only goal was to go to the big city and find a band. And, 567 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:56,320 you know, 568 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,600 yeah, and you were probably the incubator was. Berkeley College 569 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,260 Music. 570 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:09,180 It was, I my story is pretty funny, as far as that goes. The 571 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:12,360 short, the long story short, is my dad's like, Look, you can't 572 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,180 just move to New York City. I know you want to be a musician, 573 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:18,000 but what are you going to eat? So he said, I can send you to 574 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200 school. This is a one shot deal. Not many kids get this Yeah, and 575 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,020 back then it was cheap, pick something. I don't care where 576 00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:26,720 you go. Just do something. I don't care what it is. So, like, 577 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,840 fine, because I'll just go to music school. Fine. I didn't 578 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,780 want to go to music school. I don't want any part of that. 579 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:36,980 Yeah, so I just said, Berkeley. I didn't visit it. I didn't I 580 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:39,620 got rejected. It's amazing. Your dad's like, I'll cover it. He 581 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:42,700 said, Fine, fine. If you get in. I had to go to the summer 582 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:48,160 program to get in. Thank God I did not the place for me, it was 583 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,500 a nightmare, because I'm now, I go from kid in a rock band to in 584 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:58,120 a bebop school with prodigies, yeah, like, well, this is gonna 585 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,780 get weird real quick. And they weren't. They weren't into 586 00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:04,080 rockets back then. Yeah, in the early they embraced it later on, 587 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,060 well, that they went where the money 588 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:08,820 was. The guys from Dream Theater didn't change the attitude 589 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:09,720 there. Yeah, I mean, I 590 00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:12,300 went to school like this. There's people like Terry Lynn 591 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,540 Carrington walking around. Del fail. Marsalis is walking 592 00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:18,780 around. I'm a kid. I'm 17 years old, going, I'm in big trouble. 593 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Will Calhoun was, like, in the room next to me. 594 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320 Oh, you went school will, yeah, right next to me. That's 595 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,400 incredible. That's a Cool 596 00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:29,239 story, bro. It's gonna get weird. This is really, I'm in 597 00:31:29,239 --> 00:31:29,479 it. 598 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,840 How was he when he was Did you know him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He 599 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,480 was one always set up in the practice room. Seems like a cool 600 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:35,720 dude. 601 00:31:36,139 --> 00:31:38,479 Dad, dude. Dad ended back, dude. He had 602 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,780 this cool ensemble thing called Dark sarcasm. And it was all 603 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:49,120 these super cool African American dudes that had this 604 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,320 great, like fusion kind of band situation. They would do 605 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,980 different stuff, like recital stuff. It was wild. So even out 606 00:31:56,980 --> 00:32:00,520 of the gate as kids, you know, they're, like, fully realized, 607 00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:07,140 you know, which? Again, the long, the long story short, for 608 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:11,340 me, forget all the schooling, all that stuff. It just taught 609 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:14,760 me how to survive. I got it's just thick skin. What are you 610 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,980 gonna do now? Man, everybody's better than you. What are you 611 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:18,000 gonna do now? Let me ask you 612 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,800 this. I mean, you're again, you're being super self 613 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,160 deprecating because you have a mean backbeat. Who were your 614 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:28,640 teachers? Was it the rod morgensteins and the skip, 615 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,740 Hayden's and the skip? Skip 616 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:35,720 was the one dude, Casey Jarrell, still, they weren't there yet. 617 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Like, Rod was not there yet, you know? So skip was the one dude 618 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,480 who I actually connected with because a he was a nice guy, 619 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,220 yeah, he was kind of a rock dude, yeah, or he got it. He 620 00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:51,040 taught, like a double bass drum, you know, class, class and 621 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,600 stuff. So I could somehow, you know, at least identify with 622 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,900 something Yeah, that I wanted to do, yeah, where all the other 623 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,580 guys were just hardcore jazz guys, and, you know, worried 624 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:06,300 about what my high hat foot was doing while I was swinging. I'm, 625 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:09,900 like, this is I'm gonna, I can't do this. I'm a rock guy, yeah. 626 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,140 So skip was a great guy, so it was just rough, man, it was 627 00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:18,060 rough going. But you graduated. I graduated. Well, yeah, so my, 628 00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:24,124 I do find a band. We're working on it. My band's kind of almost 629 00:33:24,124 --> 00:33:28,144 getting signed. I quit Berkeley in my last semester before 630 00:33:28,144 --> 00:33:31,924 graduating. I'm like, I'm out see you all you suckers later, 631 00:33:31,984 --> 00:33:34,984 got a record deal. Next Suck it, yeah. Next stop, rock star, 632 00:33:35,044 --> 00:33:35,164 yeah. 633 00:33:35,164 --> 00:33:38,704 What was the name of the band? There's a band called Kid crash. 634 00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:41,224 A bunch of bands were getting signed out of Boston at extreme 635 00:33:41,224 --> 00:33:44,380 or buddies. We all played together on the scene. Paul 636 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:49,780 Gary, Yep, great guy. We're all doing the thing, yeah. So it was 637 00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:54,760 getting hot and we were making ways. Well, that takes time. So 638 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:57,940 I'm still there. I didn't get whisked off into rock star land. 639 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,020 I'm still in Boston figuring it out, you know, recording and 640 00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:03,840 doing all this stuff. So three years after I quit, I went back 641 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840 and fixed a couple things, knocked on a couple doors, a 642 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,840 couple professors said, Hey, man, I remember this incomplete. 643 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,260 Can I fix that? And did a couple things, and they gave me a 644 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:17,760 degree. Nice. I was like, Dad, I hear sorry. 645 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,880 Do you still have your dad? Yeah, he's probably cool. He's 646 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,440 proud of 647 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,960 you still rocking, yes, and it's the only thing he ever come out 648 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,160 to the shows, I'm sure, like you big Italian family Connecticut, 649 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,040 to be like, 60 people that would show up, you know? Oh, he can, 650 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,980 son, yeah, that's no matter what I did. Playing Mohegan Sun was 651 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:40,660 the Holy Grail. That's like, you know, it's in Connecticut. Yeah, 652 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,980 there's nowhere from 653 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:44,260 they give you a room. Yeah, you're like, I'll be here for 654 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,000 two days, or whatever. You know, I 655 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,280 could have toured the world's problems, but, yeah, but did you 656 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,800 play Mohegan Sun? Because we need to go there. It's a 657 00:34:50,799 --> 00:34:52,419 badass Casino. It's a great it's 658 00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:55,239 just, it's like, they're their equivalent of the Hollywood Bowl 659 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,139 kind of thing, totally, 660 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,299 really, at least in my family's eyes. See if I said the 661 00:34:58,299 --> 00:34:59,319 Hollywood Bowl, they'd be like, 662 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,320 Oh, whatever. Did you play toads place? 663 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,340 I still haven't done it. Yeah, yeah. Holds it against me. 664 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Toads, he's like, he's kicking sand in my face on the beach. 665 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,140 Oh, my God, 666 00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:15,660 you're gonna play there someday. I don't know. Dude, if you ever 667 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:17,580 do play there, it's gonna be a hell of a show. I hope 668 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:21,020 it stays open. Yeah? It's a good, good venue. Foo Fighters 669 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:23,360 just did his pop up there. Really, yeah, that's right, 670 00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:26,900 yeah. It's an amazing place. But that was the scene in Boston, 671 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560 all those amazing clubs which had this amazing, original scene 672 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,080 of all kinds of music. Of course, being a college town 673 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200 fueled it. What years were you there again? 674 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:41,560 I lived in Boston since I'm 100 I lived there from, like, as a 675 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,700 kid, from 1982 to 1997 Okay, so all the 80s. I caught all the 676 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,440 80s as a as a kid. So you 677 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,860 probably because I was, I was active in the band scene, at 678 00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:56,320 least in Western Connecticut in the early to mid 90s. We might 679 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,520 know a lot of the same guys. I'm 680 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,120 sure it's a small you know, you could reach all of it. Yeah, 681 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,780 we'd play all of it from Boston. That's Boston in New York City. 682 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:05,520 Just make that loop all the time. I just 683 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,000 went up to Long Island and play with a killer cover band. Oh my 684 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,280 gosh, you're so good. That was a good cover band. 685 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520 I mean, always a great scene, yeah, but all those rock clubs 686 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,340 like you say toads, the fact that it's still open is amazing. 687 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:18,240 That's fantastic. 688 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,040 It all died, okay? Tuxedo junction, Danbury, Oh, wow. I've 689 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,860 never played there. I played there. I got that over all you 690 00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:26,480 guys, yeah, yeah. You guys no longer there. 691 00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:32,360 I don't think Yale University girls are as pretty as USC 692 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,020 girls. 693 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,260 Is that kind of like heads Carolina? 694 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,840 Sounds like, what is it? What is the word from part the song from 695 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,400 Parliament, you know, looks like California? No, no, it's like 696 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:49,360 Carolina, or looks like California. 697 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,820 Don't test me. I, you know, I played tambourine on the song, 698 00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:55,600 because what song is it? Then that's, it's called Carolina, 699 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:57,700 yeah. How does the lyric? I remember 700 00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,980 when we had them on, I kind of challenged us. It 701 00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:02,520 was six years ago, guys, Jesus, 702 00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:07,440 five times six. Are you saying that North Carolina girls don't 703 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,200 look as good as the California Girls? And they're like, that's 704 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,040 not worth saying. It's 705 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,400 all the Carolina girls are. I'm on the record saying this. I'm 706 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:14,940 engaged. I'm 707 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,120 not saying anything. I'm taking the fifth on that. 708 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,640 How long you been married? We've only been married 709 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,260 in the classic Nashville way. We got married at an ACM Awards 710 00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:30,620 because it was convenient in Vegas. Hey, man, come to the 711 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:31,520 gig. We gotta get a 712 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,320 free flight in a room. Just go to the 713 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,800 Elvis chapel on the street. So we went to, you know, you know 714 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,940 that thing. So we rehearse on Sunday night, yeah, for the 715 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:46,360 Monday TV show. And then we went and got married late Sunday 716 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,560 night after rehearsal, and I'm wiped out. It was our very first 717 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,540 one. We never played one before, so it's 2007 and my wife wants 718 00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:57,820 to go out and party her friends there. I'm like, I'm going to 719 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,920 bed. Man, I got a show tomorrow night. You guys have fun. I'm 720 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,120 out. 721 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,960 I bailed on it. Bail for your wedding 722 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,040 night, flying in, doing TV show rehearsals, getting all that 723 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160 together, got married and like, I'm out. You guys have have a 724 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,580 big went 725 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:14,220 out with her girlfriends. What's that? She went with her 726 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,080 girlfriends? Yeah? Oh, my God, it's amazing. 727 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:22,280 Hilarious. 18 years, yeah, I guess so, right? 2007 Yeah, wow. 728 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,460 But we've, we've known each other since the 80s, because she 729 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:29,120 went school in Boston, also art school in Boston. Is she time? 730 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:34,760 No, no. She's German. Her mom was actually from Germany. 731 00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:39,200 She's very methodical, yeah, precise, right on point. 732 00:38:39,379 --> 00:38:43,179 Reminds me all the time, of everything, how it needs to be 733 00:38:43,419 --> 00:38:47,079 yes, I always joke her mom was the sweetest person, but very 734 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,899 German. And I would turn to her, like, are you telling me how to 735 00:38:49,899 --> 00:38:54,879 use a spoon right now? Are you really telling me, like, how, I 736 00:38:54,879 --> 00:38:57,279 mean, everything was, like, how to be done? Oh, my God, a 737 00:38:57,279 --> 00:38:59,499 certain way. Like, I'm pretty sure I know how to use 738 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,100 this. But she thinks for their head. You think with your heart, 739 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:02,520 yeah? I 740 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,940 call it magical thinking. I have the magical thing, yeah, she's 741 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:08,880 sweating it. And I'm like, don't worry about it. It's gonna be 742 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,340 fine. What's gonna happen? 743 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:15,240 So, so I'm at my hairdressers today, and he's Italian, you 744 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,400 know, and he's a bass player from the 80s on the Sunset 745 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,460 Strip. He had a successful salon for 20 years in Hollywood. So, 746 00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:23,360 you got to be pretty good hairdresser, yeah. So I'm trying 747 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,940 to, I had a hoodie on this morning, get my hair spackled, 748 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,940 and I put on my jean jacket, you know, because it's the layering 749 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:31,460 season, you got your hoodie and your jean jacket. So I'm trying 750 00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:34,880 to put my and I'm putting it over my head in this very 751 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,460 specific way. And he goes, do you always put your jacket on 752 00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:41,200 like that? I go, I guess he goes, so do I? My wife gives me 753 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,600 shit about it's so dramatic. Everything is just like an 754 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,960 opera. Yeah? The fat lady singing is my entire life. 755 00:39:49,959 --> 00:39:53,679 Yeah, I definitely have the magical thinking, but, but she's 756 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:56,619 been on the ride. I mean, you know, it was all fun and games 757 00:39:56,619 --> 00:40:00,599 when was all along here and rock and roll. You. Then you got to 758 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,299 turn it into, like, reality, mortgage to Nashville, yeah, 759 00:40:03,479 --> 00:40:09,719 which she wasn't wrong. She hated Nashville that first year. 760 00:40:10,859 --> 00:40:13,319 She's pretty tough, and she wasn't wrong. It was, it was a 761 00:40:13,319 --> 00:40:15,719 big adjustment. And you know, when you have, when you move to 762 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,319 Newtown, or at least me, it was all my big idea. So I was just 763 00:40:19,319 --> 00:40:23,299 on fire, like I was had tunnel vision of like I got to figure 764 00:40:23,299 --> 00:40:27,379 this out, because this is my dumb idea. So if it fails, it's, 765 00:40:27,799 --> 00:40:31,099 it's on me. Yeah, you know, so a lot of pressure, I got to figure 766 00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:34,639 it out. I had a buddy here, my buddy Angelo, who we followed 767 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:35,539 down here. He 768 00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:38,960 lives right over by, right around the corner from, yeah, on 769 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,460 on Clayton. Yes. He lived on Clayton by the sound Emporium, 770 00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:46,600 because I dated a girl for three years named Lizzie on Clayton. 771 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,540 And I don't even want to know what that house is 772 00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:53,860 worth. I had the rental house because that I rented because of 773 00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,080 him. Yeah, I just said, well, Angela lives here. I'm just 774 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,080 gonna live here. I just copied him. That was my only reference. 775 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,780 I'll just do what he does. He seems to be the pope in 776 00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:05,160 Nashville at the time. I'll just do what he does, and maybe I'll 777 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,320 be okay, yeah, he couldn't really help me. He's a 778 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,480 songwriter. He's not a drummer. I mean, you know, 779 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:12,480 and then the publishers telling him to hire these studio 780 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,000 musicians, and he's like, okay, 781 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:18,660 it's all good, yeah. I didn't expect him to, like, you know, 782 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:22,760 hand me stuff, yeah, but I was definitely gonna copy him. If he 783 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,820 lives here, it must be cool. I'll live here. If he does this, 784 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,820 I'll do this because he's got it figured out a lot. What's he 785 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:29,060 doing, 786 00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:32,840 man? Because he was a big thing, what's that? Did he pass 787 00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:34,820 Angelo? Yeah, oh, no. He's rocking, rolling 788 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,120 right here in town, yeah, but yeah, I haven't heard his name 789 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:39,380 or seen him. Yeah, 790 00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,700 he's no, he's good. He just put out a new record with his wife. 791 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,240 Okay, great. You know he's, oh, he's Angelo man. He's always 792 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:46,480 here. 793 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,000 I am asking if the guy's alive, yeah, let's take that out. 794 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,940 Anyways, Angela, What's up, buddy? 795 00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:54,940 Well, and I know him, known him since I was, like, 19 in Boston, 796 00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:57,460 yeah. And he's 10 years older than me, so they were always, 797 00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:00,780 like, the big brothers. They had the big record deal when I was a 798 00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:04,080 kid, I'm like, oh, that's how you do it, yeah. So what was 799 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,760 that band called? Face to face, face to face. Okay, a couple of 800 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:13,320 a top 10 hit and top 40 hit, which is inconceivable to me, 801 00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:17,580 back conceivable, like, how could you do that's amazing. 802 00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:22,460 We're all friends, and they, you know, the guitar player in that 803 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:25,160 band, my buddy Stu Kimball, produced my band in the 80s. So 804 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,220 it's all this group of friends, and they were older than me, so 805 00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:30,860 they were, like my big brothers, like, yeah, I always followed 806 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:34,340 them. They always helped me out. And I followed we all followed 807 00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:38,180 him here, yeah, and you know, much to his horror. 808 00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:40,600 And, well, I'm just really, you know, and I got two words for 809 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,120 you. And I think this will resonate with you. 12th and 810 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,000 Porter, yeah, was that the incubator for you? Because, 811 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,820 like, I feel like I ran into you all the time. We were trying to 812 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:51,880 meet our people, yes. And like, that wasn't really Music Row. It 813 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,360 was kind of like the underbelly of Music Row. So, you know, you 814 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,240 had your, you know, I played with the Evan roots, I played 815 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,200 with porcelain, I played Mr. Ray. I played with Linda Regan. 816 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,000 I played with all these underbelly rockers that were 817 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,460 trying to do the thing. And eventually, you know, you 818 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:13,440 started to shake hands of publishers and studio owners and 819 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,740 people that were more in the corporate structure of music or 820 00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:19,500 Yeah, but you spent a lot of 821 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,920 time there 12th and Porter Billy block, you know, back in the 822 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,340 day, rest his soul, yeah, and his sons are doing great. Super, 823 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:29,600 oh, you know, super kind to me as a new guy. So all that scene, 824 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,620 yes, I was there because it was close, and it was Angelo, you 825 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:36,200 know, I'd follow him there, or the Sutler, or something, you 826 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,900 know, whatever, back in the day, just trying to make the scene 827 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,000 the new settler is not like the old so, yeah, exactly. And, you 828 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,300 know, that's not really my thing, yeah, making the scene, 829 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,960 it's not really what I'm comfortable with. But everybody 830 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,620 was so cool. And I always tell that story, like, you know, I 831 00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:56,980 You remember Paul Griffith, drummer, Paul Griffith, yeah, 832 00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,480 badass, right? Yeah, you know, you and him, people would call 833 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,180 me and I like, Oh, cool. Where'd you get my number? Oh, rich 834 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:05,280 Redmond gave me your number. Paul Griffith gave me your 835 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,120 number. I'm like, This is amazing, right? I love this. 836 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,580 This is, this is great. This is, and I would do the same if I 837 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:14,160 couldn't do something, or if somebody needed somebody, or and 838 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,160 that was sort of where it all started, doing those things. 839 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,660 Yeah? Alliances, yeah. Playing for anybody in the mutual 840 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,600 admiration society. I played for this woman, Jen Cohen, for the 841 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,420 longest time. She's of Jen Cohen folk Center, which I didn't 842 00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:29,960 really have in the bag. Yeah? You know that kind of low key, 843 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,840 kind of fat snare, real down low and, you know, folky kind of 844 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,040 thing, yeah? So Matt, Matt Chamberlain, things I needed, 845 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,240 you know that I didn't have I like, I gotta get I can't fake 846 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,720 it. I gotta get in this thing, yeah, figure out how to do it. 847 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,520 What's she doing? 848 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:55,840 Moved out of town. It's like she's a cantor in New Jersey. 849 00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:00,120 Yeah? Did the scene forever, very, said all that. Now. A 850 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,080 circuit. I did that for years with her, which was, you know, 851 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,320 playing all those colleges and gigging, and met a lot of great 852 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,740 musicians. Sorry, I'm rambling, but one of the guitar players so 853 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:10,920 good. 854 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:13,200 This is great rambling. You know why? Because I knew this 855 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,560 conversation was going to go so smooth. Because you talk with 856 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,200 your hands, you're a great conversationalist. We just need 857 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,560 a gigantic bottle of wine, yeah, and some candles. 858 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,780 This is nothing. This is vodka. No, it's just, 859 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,360 by the way, that's dishwasher not safe. Yeah, that the letters 860 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,900 will come off. 861 00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:36,800 Yeah, I can feel that the Braille poisoning kicking in. 862 00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:37,820 Who was the blind 863 00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:40,600 girl who that? Hold that up for a second. What is that? 864 00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:45,340 That's our iconic rich Redmond show mug. Yeah, go to the rich 865 00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:50,020 Redmond show.com and use the code fall 2025, for 25% off. 866 00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:50,980 Anyways, back to the show. 867 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,020 So funny enough. It couldn't have been further away. It just 868 00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:59,200 sort of hit me. A guitar player I played with in that gig, which 869 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,300 is playing the knack of circuit, knew Rodney. That's how he's we 870 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,880 had done a radio tour with him before he ever had a band, and 871 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,800 said, Hey, this guy's gonna do a gig this weekend, rehearsals on 872 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,820 Tuesday. Here's the songs. Come play with us. I didn't know who 873 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:14,880 the 874 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,760 songs were on CD. Yeah, they were on CD. 875 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,620 And so I learned the songs, and I played a couple of weekend 876 00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:24,140 gigs like he did with a million people. Never knew who Rodney 877 00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:28,640 was. He had a record that just came out. Nobody knew. So I got 878 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,360 introduced to Rodney by a guy I played with, with Jen Cohen, who 879 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,300 were playing the NACA circuit. And none of it related, but all 880 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,440 of its related, right? It just sort of happened that way. And 881 00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:43,420 meeting you at 12th and Porter, amongst many other people. Yeah, 882 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,620 that would I play with and go round and around and around? It 883 00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:50,740 was amazing. Back then, it was doable 884 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,520 and accessible. You did it, man, and 885 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:58,360 I don't know again, I never thought of it past a week ahead 886 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,040 of me. I was just trying to figure it out, 887 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,600 yeah, but you did figure it out. Yes. So you got this 25 year 888 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,760 gig. What are the brands? Buddy, Sakai. I did Sakai, but you were 889 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,000 with Yama. I was with Yamaha. That's, that's, let me tell you, 890 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,240 if I wasn't with dw, everybody knows, I'd be with Yamaha. It's 891 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:16,860 just they you can't go wrong. It 892 00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:20,360 can't go wrong in it. Being in Boston at that time, I grew up a 893 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,140 Slingerland kit, and then they disappeared. Put a pin in that. 894 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,160 Except now it is owned, which I've circled all the way down. 895 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,220 Lombardi. I'm trying. Are you gonna try to get in? I'm trying 896 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,660 Trey's DW let me know if I could help. You know, it's Jules up. 897 00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:37,820 It's a text, Thomas Jules, yeah. 898 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,980 She signed this kid, yeah. I'm sending you a box of cigars. 899 00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:44,680 I told her, that's what I grew up with, Simon, and then they 900 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,400 went away. So, but yeah, Yamaha and Joe Testa, the great show 901 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,320 Testa helped me with so much over the years. Yeah, so now I'm 902 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,580 no drums at all, dude. These 903 00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:59,080 are marquee brands, though. This is the traditional high level 904 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,480 combination of brands, Sakai, zilgin, Vic, Firth, Remo, yeah. 905 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,180 I mean, that's like, I'm the holy grail of companies. 906 00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,900 I've never changed. I haven't changed anything since the first 907 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,060 time I put a drum head on a drum. Well, there. 908 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,000 I mean, first of all, Remo, I get asked every day, can you 909 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,140 help me? I'll say yes. I will send your you know, links to you 910 00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:23,480 know, my friend over at Remo, it is the most difficult thing to 911 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,020 acquire. It really is. It really is because they invented the 912 00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:29,780 drum head. Otherwise, if you have dead animals 913 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,640 still over our drums, which you know, by the way, Jimmy Herman 914 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,880 said Salo. Speaking of Jimmy Herman forever plays with, Oh, 915 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,780 that's great. Okay, yeah. Speaking of hunting, but yeah, 916 00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:45,820 no, Remo, somehow, I always joke that they haven't gotten to the 917 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:50,260 R's yet. My last name, like, Who is this who's this guy? What's 918 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:55,360 his story? But yes, I've, I've been there forever and again, if 919 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000 I had to go buy him at forks, that's what I 920 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,020 really do. It is Chris Hart, your guy, yeah, or gotcha 921 00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,400 helped me out. Go right to the top. Kind of got in there again, 922 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:11,340 all timing and opportunity and luck and, yeah, things happen at 923 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:14,280 the same time. And I'm an old guy, so that was a long time 924 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:14,460 ago. 925 00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:16,920 And you're a likable person, which goes a long, long way. 926 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,860 Depends on who you ask, I guess. But yeah, I think so. Now you're 927 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:21,200 very like, person, all right? 928 00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:25,100 I'm a loyal guy, so if I'm, if I'm using something, here's the 929 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:29,000 thing about that stuff. And you, when people ask you, listen, I'm 930 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000 not taking anything. I'm never going to use, right? I don't 931 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,260 want anything. I just want what I want. If I have to go get it, 932 00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:38,960 I'll go get it. If I, if someone's going to help me, 933 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,340 that's awesome. I have a realistic expectation. Listen, 934 00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:47,200 Yamaha, you're talking to Steve Gad, yeah, I'm aware of where I 935 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,360 am in the world. And I'm not being humble. I'm just like, 936 00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:53,920 look, but I am in the world. You create exposure for the product, 937 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040 yes. So whatever that means to you, however, we can make 938 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,920 something work. Great. If not, I'll just go get what I need. 939 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,180 And it'll be fine. So that's always been my approach, and 940 00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:06,600 still my approach, even with Slingerland. I love Slingerland. 941 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,020 It's where I started. I love them. The fact that dw has re 942 00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:15,120 popped that and it has made it so sexy. Unbelievable is 943 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,420 exciting. I know what the real world is. You know, I'd love to 944 00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:22,940 rep. I'm your guy. You know, as far 945 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:27,020 as they're gonna need guys in the country genre, and it hasn't 946 00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:28,520 happened yet, it's so great. 947 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,220 I know what I can offer. Whatever that means to anybody 948 00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:34,760 is fine, but I'm not looking you know, you know how it is people 949 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,100 like, Hey, man, can I I've been in town three months. You think 950 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:40,360 I get, like, free cymbals and drums and, yeah, I don't know. 951 00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:43,900 You're like, probably not. You'll know when it's time. So 952 00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:46,180 anyways, before I came over here, do you know this kid, 953 00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:49,120 Zoltan to back, we've had him on the show, but he's the drummer 954 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,440 with muscadine bloodline. So I met him at MI Musicians 955 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,600 Institute, like I taught a little bit out there. And so I 956 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120 meet this kid, I'm like, Oh my God, there's tons of potential. 957 00:50:58,660 --> 00:51:02,700 Great, feel, great energy. Likable person, humble, hard 958 00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:07,860 working. He moves to Nashville 11 years ago, and today, 959 00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:11,400 actually yesterday, he signed a deal with Sabian Simmons, and he 960 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,120 did it the right way. And it was all through, like, polite 961 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,320 persistence. And so we just went out and celebrated his it's it 962 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,400 just happened for him, 963 00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:23,660 you know, it was never about that for me. I, you know, I had 964 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,200 one drum kit forever, probably till I moved to Nashville. 965 00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:30,680 Really, was it a recording customer, Maple custom. Well, 966 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,260 that was before Yamaha. Oh, wow. You know, I had my Slingerland 967 00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:37,400 kit. I had a DW kit when I first moved to Nashville, and then 968 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,860 Yamaha, because I couldn't, where was I gonna get Yamaha? 969 00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:42,640 All my Japanese friends in Boston were all Yamaha guys. 970 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,120 They were hipping me to Yamaha in like, 1984 I was, yeah, yes, 971 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,060 I get it. I'm in. Look at this quality, look at the 972 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:52,240 craftsmanship, look at the innovation. But at 23 years old, 973 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,700 I wasn't gonna walk over to Jack's drum shop in Boston and 974 00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,400 buy a new recording custom, because it was unattainable. 975 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,360 It's like, even then eight grand or something. I mean, how am I 976 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,780 gonna do that? But, yeah, so I forget what I was gonna say, but 977 00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:11,520 that whole acquiring gear thing is just never been my thing. 978 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,480 Yeah, you know. 979 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000 So what's the snare drum with Rodney out there? Like, is it a 980 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000 steel Are you a steel snare drum? Guy? Wood snare drum? You 981 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,080 know, I kind of go back and forth right now. I'm using a a a 982 00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:25,160 six and a half, like vintage bronze Ludwig, nice. I have my 983 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,920 Lars right next to me. So I go back and forth between the Lars 984 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,180 and the Oh, wow, yeah, cuz Lars with the Yeah, diamond plate, 985 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,740 yeah, yeah. It's, I know it sounds crazy. It's an amazing 986 00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:42,520 drum that you know, that three mil steel shell. It's insane. 987 00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,000 It's a really good drama. It's not just, it's not just a saint 988 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,900 anger. Horrible snare sound was that the was that the drum, yes, 989 00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:54,280 that's the famous, you know, snares are off and he's doing 990 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,560 the thing. It's not that it's a great drum, but 991 00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,560 the videos that they make on that the memes. So it's like 992 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,540 they put like a trash can. It's so bad position. I 993 00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,960 mean, they made an artistic decision to just go with it, you 994 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,180 know, yeah, but that's what people remember about that 995 00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:09,480 album. 996 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,600 I know, yeah, I know. It's the whole album, yeah, pretty much, 997 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,580 yeah. Wow. It's ridiculous, but 998 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,580 you're wearing Metallica, sure. So. Are you down? Are you down 999 00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:18,600 with that music? 1000 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,940 Do you love it? Well, you know, because I was in a rock band in 1001 00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:25,520 the 80s. I hated Metallica back in the day. Do 1002 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,380 you like that kind of music? Do you like those people? It's loud 1003 00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:33,020 jean jackets and long hair 1004 00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:36,500 was the hardest bands you listened to growing up. What 1005 00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:36,740 were the 1006 00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:40,240 hard you know, I was way into British metal as a kid. That's 1007 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,000 right in my wheelhouse. So, you know, Iron Maiden, Iron Maiden, 1008 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,860 Judas Priest, you know, deep purple 1009 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,800 Canadian metal anvil, of course, 1010 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,880 rush like everybody else, but that's my wheelhouse of high 1011 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,040 school. You know, all that stuff when it was breaking, 1012 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,200 but some Metallica was kind of pushing the envelope. 1013 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,720 I didn't like Metallica back then. I hated Metallica. Really 1014 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:03,060 hated him. I thought I didn't want to hear about that. It sort 1015 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:06,540 of caught me. I kind of had a resurgence when the past, like 1016 00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,540 10 years, when they started, they're still here. They're my 1017 00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:12,180 age. I'm going, okay, and they're making, like, real 1018 00:54:12,180 --> 00:54:15,900 records. I'm going, Oh my God. And it kind of I got back on the 1019 00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,920 ride, yeah. And went, Oh my gosh. You know, knowing how hard 1020 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,560 it is to even maintain anything, yeah, these guys are somehow 1021 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,560 still making records, you know, because 1022 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,740 up in that neck of the woods you had, you know, Anthrax was a big 1023 00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:36,020 yeah neighborhood, and if you will, biohazard, all those guys 1024 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,860 and being in a rock band at that time, we opened for just about 1025 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:42,280 every band like that that came through Boston in those big rock 1026 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:42,580 clubs, 1027 00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:44,860 yeah, ever open for overkill? 1028 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:51,460 Yes, same bill. Same bill. Yes. Down there any of those bands 1029 00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:53,500 that came in, we got on it. 1030 00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:56,860 No one has heard of overkill. Any of our guests, sure, except 1031 00:54:56,860 --> 00:55:00,960 for you, overkill was a notable band like. Me and Travis McNabb 1032 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,400 were like, urge over kill. 1033 00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:06,900 Was thing. They were demand, all that crazy 1034 00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,560 testament. Yeah, nuclear assault. Yeah, 1035 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,900 sure. I just saw Matt Chamberlain did a post. He had a 1036 00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,660 metal night. He had a night off, oh, my God, and with brandy 1037 00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:18,000 Carly or whatever, and he went to go see testament. 1038 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,960 Nice, yeah, all those classic thrash bands. But I wasn't 1039 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,360 really a thrash guy because I was a British metal guy, yeah, 1040 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,680 so I wasn't hearing that at the lot of galloping. It's kind of a 1041 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,220 snob, you know, these guys can't play. But, you know, 40 years 1042 00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:35,360 later, like, oh my god, yeah. And also realizing it's not 1043 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,140 about that. It's always about, you know, you recognize Lars 1044 00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:42,580 immediately. That's the game, Rich. Redmond, lay something 1045 00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:45,280 down. You know that's rich. You really do. That's the game. 1046 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,500 Really guys, yo, yeah. That's really hard to believe, 1047 00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:49,780 because I tell all my students, I'm like, look at most of 1048 00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:55,300 country music is between 69 and 89 BPM, right? It's very hard to 1049 00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:55,960 stand out. 1050 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,980 But if you, but if you, you know that signature, like she's 1051 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,160 country, it's, it's Redmond, like, that's the thing. You 1052 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,520 know, Jason's sound is very identified. It's a thing you 1053 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,780 guys made that thing. That's, that's, it's one thing to play 1054 00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:15,240 music and to be good and to be proficient. It's another thing 1055 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,780 to have a voice and to be recognizable. That's, that's the 1056 00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:22,700 magic. That's very, very nice, difficult. It's almost, it's 1057 00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:23,660 special. It's special. 1058 00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:26,600 What is when is country metal gonna make a thing? I think that 1059 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,600 guys are trying to do it. I'm not joking. I think there has to 1060 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,020 be a thing. 1061 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,600 I thought, you know, based off of you guys, because you guys 1062 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:38,000 really brought, yeah, distorted the country, like the heaviness 1063 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,500 of the country crunch, yeah. 1064 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,840 And maybe that will come around again, because there's a lot of 1065 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,900 people that are like, I really, are like, I really miss the my 1066 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,720 kind of party. She's country era. You guys are really onto 1067 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,560 something. But, you know, Jason is very quick to evolve. And I 1068 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,780 got to say, I always tell everybody, you know, if you have 1069 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,240 an audience of a multi generational audience of males 1070 00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:06,900 and females, 15 to 55 it is nearly impossible to pull off, 1071 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,800 yeah, and that's what you want, yeah. You know, like, look at 1072 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:17,100 pink. She can do six nights of sold out stadiums in Australia, 1073 00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:22,100 male and female, all ages, multi generations. Yeah, that's 1074 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,420 incredible. 1075 00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:25,940 Yeah, it's also, yeah, it's also speaking to that. I don't think 1076 00:57:25,940 --> 00:57:28,640 there's a point of reference for young people to have the metal 1077 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,580 influence. Maybe as much. It's still a small thing. And metal 1078 00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:35,600 still exists, like it always is, small pocket of metal dudes, 1079 00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:39,980 mostly. And Metallica doesn't count. They've, they've, they've 1080 00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:43,240 crossed into their cross zones world. They're just, you know, 1081 00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:46,540 in their own orbit, right? So I don't know if there's a 1082 00:57:46,540 --> 00:57:49,600 reference for kids to sort of make that come around where sort 1083 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,060 of hip hop and that kind of stuff had a reference, and it 1084 00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:54,100 could kind of come together. Maybe, I don't know, it's my 1085 00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:58,540 idiots view, but I don't know. But you guys were definitely had 1086 00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:02,520 established that and made it huge, even at the time, because, 1087 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,300 you know, Ronnie and and you guys are at the same time. It's 1088 00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,580 all happening, and you're kind of going, Oh, these guys are 1089 00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:11,580 over there, and Rodney is doing this thing. It's all kind of 1090 00:58:11,580 --> 00:58:14,160 new, yeah, fresh, new guys. 1091 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,640 And the difference is really, like, how much cross stick Are 1092 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,940 we playing? Really, you know, that determines, is it funny how 1093 00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:25,160 it's gone away. There's got no cross. 1094 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,560 I think of that every night, because Ronnie's biggest hit, 1095 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,980 which is like a 60 week number one, is across the is watching 1096 00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:33,380 you get a real cross stick, or a real cross stick, no real 1097 00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:38,120 crossing. Nice Guy cast who nice, real cross stick. Front 1098 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,180 house guys got it. I'm like, Hey, man, I I've had to tell 1099 00:58:40,180 --> 00:58:44,320 many guys listen, man, I know we all have the big backbeat. If 1100 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,380 this song doesn't have cross stick, yeah, we got a problem. 1101 00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:50,860 Yeah, it's got, it's a has to have it. I want Opry in your 1102 00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:52,420 face, cross stick. Cross 1103 00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:56,140 stick. It's funny, when I was with Pam Tillis, she had a lot 1104 00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:59,320 of cross stick, yeah, and so even back then, I've really 1105 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,660 pushed the envelope. I had a pad way up here, nice. That's great, 1106 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,460 because it's really made a show out 1107 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:07,620 of it, and it's gonna be a thing. So wedding, where you got 1108 00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:09,900 to get it there. I've messed with different versions of that, 1109 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:14,220 yeah, especially in Arena world or something, when you this 1110 00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:15,480 cross stick is like, 1111 00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:19,500 what about a wood block, the jam block? Remember that era? There 1112 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,000 was a five, five year period where everyone's like, had their 1113 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,740 blue or orange. 1114 00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:28,880 I probably had both. I definitely remember the blue 1115 00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:32,540 trying to find that right. It's not right, but it's loud. Yes, 1116 00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:34,700 loud cuts. It cuts. 1117 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,560 I mean, it slices an ogre head. An ogres head off. Now we just 1118 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,660 have click blasting my left oh my god, I wake up in the middle 1119 00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:46,420 of the night listening to it click. And it's like a crazy a 1120 00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:47,560 lot. It's a lot. 1121 00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:50,440 I think the guitar solo, the artist driven guitar solo, is 1122 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,080 probably going to make a comeback. And I think our friend 1123 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,040 Ben Gallagher is Ben 1124 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,920 Gallagher was fantastic. You heard of this kid? No, no, no. 1125 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,920 He's got a he's got a song called stomp, and a lot of shit. 1126 01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:04,200 Picking. He it's, he's, he's a cross between a chicken picker 1127 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,680 and a modern shredder. And it's a nice combination. It's 1128 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,840 refreshing. It's very refreshing. I miss, I miss 1129 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,380 guitar. 1130 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,780 I was, I was trying to get him on the show. I'm like, dude, 1131 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,500 just add a little Eddie Van Halen tapping into that. He 1132 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:21,140 seemed reluctant. But, you know, I try. It's been done when it's 1133 01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:25,940 been done by Eddie for letting all that but any rest in the in 1134 01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:30,260 the country, genre, yeah, hasn't been done yet. I think piano 1135 01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:31,940 needs to make a comeback in the country. Oh 1136 01:00:31,939 --> 01:00:35,419 god. The second verse, Boogie dude. 1137 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,680 Second verse, boogie woogie piano. Wouldn't that? Yeah, your 1138 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,140 brother be all over there. Oh, totally. 1139 01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:43,660 We had a utility guy, my friend Liam, who played with us for 1140 01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:46,180 years, and he could play every instrument. And the second 1141 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,880 verse, second verse, piano just cracks me. I can't believe you 1142 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,100 just said that it's right because he'd be playing fiddle, 1143 01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:54,040 and he'd run over the piano and, like, put the fiddle on his lap, 1144 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,200 just so we could play that little run on the second verse, 1145 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,480 pig, Robin. Second verse, I'm like, hey man, you're like, 1146 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,160 Jerry Lewis over there. Just stop, stop running around, just 1147 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,560 just to stay over there and forget the second verse. It's 1148 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,460 fine. Yeah, it's 1149 01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:10,620 fine. So you so you like me, had to become a student of country 1150 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:13,740 music. So like when I moved to town, I immediately went, 1151 01:01:13,740 --> 01:01:15,960 remember the great escape? It was a comic book store, 1152 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,840 absolutely and they had used cassettes. So I went over there. 1153 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,320 I bought Tammy wynette's Greatest Hits, Merle Haggard's 1154 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,260 Greatest Hits. And I just went to school like Johnny Cash 1155 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,840 because, you know, I just didn't grow up with it. I didn't 1156 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,120 either, you know, I had to learn the rules, you know, the stick 1157 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,020 and the brush and the the shuffles and the kick drum 1158 01:01:33,020 --> 01:01:36,200 patterns and the rules of when you go to the snare. Yes, 1159 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:43,840 yes. It's funny, because also i i got kind of I did that, and 1160 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,160 then people would always call me for the boom, whack, yeah, well, 1161 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,440 then you don't want the thing. No, no, we're not doing that. I 1162 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,260 want you to do, boom, whack, boom, boom, whack. And you're 1163 01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:56,320 like, I got that you don't want that. You don't want the little, 1164 01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:59,800 you know, country thing. They're like, No, okay, so I didn't get 1165 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,420 to do it that 1166 01:02:00,420 --> 01:02:03,420 much for the people I put. I'm sure you have a great train. Be 1167 01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:04,860 shuffle. 1168 01:02:04,859 --> 01:02:07,499 Definitely do I love doing it. Yeah? You know, if you asked me 1169 01:02:07,499 --> 01:02:11,459 to pull out brushes on a gig and do a little, oh, this is 1170 01:02:11,459 --> 01:02:13,919 amazing. Yeah, this is so fun. Let's do some 1171 01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:17,940 very rare, very rare. So, speaking of these styles and 1172 01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:21,260 youth, you know, you're mentioning Metallica. You're 1173 01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:23,720 mentioning the boom, whack. But who are some of your favorite 1174 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,760 like, cats, man, like, 1175 01:02:25,879 --> 01:02:29,839 favorite drummers? Drummers? Oh my gosh, that's such a tough 1176 01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:30,919 question, right? It's 1177 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,020 like a flavor of the month. Yeah, it's so I mean, 1178 01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:35,720 it's, but, I mean, they keep rearing their ugly head, yeah, 1179 01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:36,860 in your life, 1180 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,520 you know, of course, I grew up with the Gene Krupa thing 1181 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,940 hanging over my head, and as a young kid, I would watch those 1182 01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:48,760 movies and stuff and see him. But you know, for me, really, 1183 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,060 you know the Neil Pearson, Alex Van Halen, nice. 1184 01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:55,120 We all agree. We're all from Connecticut, and we all agree 1185 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,460 that Alex Van Halen doesn't get the dude, one 1186 01:02:57,460 --> 01:02:58,540 of the greatest ever 1187 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,140 I've been chasing that my whole life, you know? I just, I just 1188 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:06,540 loved it. I'm fortunate enough to be of the age where I could 1189 01:03:06,540 --> 01:03:11,100 see them in their prime and as a kid, yeah, which is magic, you 1190 01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:15,060 know, though, after watching becoming Led Zeppelin like three 1191 01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,080 times, I've kind of backed down the John Bonham rabbit hole, 1192 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,020 which is so cliche, but the older I get, the more astounded 1193 01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:27,800 by it I am, like, I can't believe these people are aliens. 1194 01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:31,700 How did four guys get in a room and do this? Yeah, you know, 1195 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:34,040 whereas a kid, he's like, Oh, I could do that. This is awesome. 1196 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,320 Now I'm like, This is impossible. How does this 1197 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,040 happen? You know? 1198 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:44,800 So, and then I got to think that AC, DC, oh, my God, has to be 1199 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,480 one of the greatest rock bands of all time. The way they pray 1200 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,980 to eighth notes. There's very few 16th notes in their music. 1201 01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:58,300 They are all so committed to those 8/8 notes in a measure of 1202 01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:01,440 four, four time, and they know exactly what to do with them, 1203 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,260 and how all the guitar riffs dance around Phil, 1204 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,720 and it's so 1205 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,360 muscular, it's mind blowing. And I feel lucky to have been the 1206 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,380 right age to take that in at the right time. You know, you can't. 1207 01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:19,500 I wouldn't trade that. Hey, you know, younger older. I'm like, 1208 01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:23,600 Yeah, but I got from my 10 year old self to my 20 year old self. 1209 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,600 I got the best stuff ever while it was happening, nice while it 1210 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,660 was being released, you know. So for me, you know, you know, you 1211 01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:33,140 got to hear it for the first time. Yeah, as a brand new I 1212 01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:33,440 saw, 1213 01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:38,540 wait a minute, the back you were born in 1964 Yes, the Beatles. 1214 01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:40,840 Right, right down the street, you know, at Shea Stadium, 1215 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,420 right? The Beatles come to America. So my whole life, you 1216 01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:45,100 know, you just to be in that wheel. That's pretty 1217 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,160 incredible to have that be your birth year, because that was the 1218 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,580 year that changed America, that changed the world, really 1219 01:04:51,580 --> 01:04:56,680 did. That was a tipping point into a me. Yeah, it's pretty 1220 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,120 incredible me generation, 1221 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,800 to be in that and because. My dad and uncle appreciated music. 1222 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,560 I got to see a lot of old school guys. So I saw Buddy Rich a 1223 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680 couple times as a young kid, yes, at like, a dinner theater 1224 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,500 in, you know, Connecticut, yep, blowing your face 1225 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:15,120 off. GRC, Maynard Ferguson, yes, yes. I saw him with Ray Brinker, 1226 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,060 this drummer, Ray Brinker, that went on to go play with Pat 1227 01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:21,140 Benatar in her later years. Oh, yeah. But I was like, Oh my God. 1228 01:05:21,140 --> 01:05:25,580 Because I was like, he had the red Yamaha recording customers 1229 01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,280 with the jazz symbols, you know. And I was like, amazing, wow. 1230 01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:32,780 Before the record, brothers, he was a heavy metal, heavy metal 1231 01:05:32,780 --> 01:05:36,500 horns, man. He was like, That dude was like, screaming, yeah. 1232 01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:39,800 Leonard Ferguson, yeah, fun. I appreciation for all that stuff 1233 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,400 as a kid, even though I didn't really know because those 1234 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,600 records were in the house, so I liked it. Drummers are weird, 1235 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,780 right? You guys agree, drummers pretty much like all drummers, 1236 01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:50,980 don't they, most 1237 01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:55,000 part. And you know, I went to dinner with three non drummers 1238 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,480 the other night. One of the guys I went to dinner with, I met him 1239 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,940 at the Rock fantasy camp, like, 10 years ago, because I did one 1240 01:06:00,940 --> 01:06:02,980 year of teaching at the Rock fantasy camp. And this guy, 1241 01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:05,820 camp. And this guy, his day job is high level. He owns this 1242 01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:09,840 Dental Group, so he's doing great. He's high level dentist, 1243 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,680 and he had his CFO with him, and one of his right hand guys, and 1244 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,840 they were telling me about, you know, their, you know, 1245 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,180 admiration of music and stuff. And they're like, now, do 1246 01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:22,100 drummers hang out? Do they like each other? I was like, oh my 1247 01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:25,220 god, guys, you don't understand. It's like two dogs seeing each 1248 01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:25,400 other 1249 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,840 from across the street. It's a 1250 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,020 love fest. Is that only contained in Nashville? 1251 01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:32,900 No, the world over, really? Yeah, I think so. Are you gonna 1252 01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:33,860 go to do you ever go to 1253 01:06:33,860 --> 01:06:37,880 basic i The only time I went is when it was in 1254 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,680 Nashville. Oh, that was about like, 1255 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,480 9798 Yeah, was that early? Oh my gosh. So 1256 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,840 it's been in the city of Indianapolis, yeah, for ever 1257 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,840 since, I know, and it's they've got another 10 year contract, I 1258 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,660 believe. But anyways, for those that are listening, the 1259 01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:55,420 percussive Art Society is this amazing mutual admiration 1260 01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:58,000 society, where all the percussionists and drummers that 1261 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,780 are at a professional level, educators, studio, students, 1262 01:07:00,780 --> 01:07:04,860 hobbyists, that we all converge on Indianapolis, Indiana, and we 1263 01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:07,860 go, and it's three days of clay. So this year, it's November 13 1264 01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:11,340 through 15 at the Indianapolis Convention Center, and it's the 1265 01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:12,600 50th anniversary. 1266 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,440 Oh, wow, yeah, I need to go again, just because I love that 1267 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,080 stuff. Yeah, I'll nerd out all day long and sit in the back and 1268 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,420 just, yeah, love all of it. You know. But for whatever one 1269 01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:26,480 reason or another, I just never got there and it's you do any 1270 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,680 teaching, teaching tennis. You actually teach tennis? Yeah? 1271 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:36,260 Really not drums. Is that your is that your cardio? Yeah? I 1272 01:07:36,260 --> 01:07:39,620 mean, I hit balls every morning, usually if I'm home. 1273 01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:42,640 What about the tennis elbow? Is that a thing? 1274 01:07:42,819 --> 01:07:45,999 Here's the thing. I from playing drums as a kid and playing 1275 01:07:45,999 --> 01:07:49,179 tennis as a kid, I've never had tennis elbow. I've been 1276 01:07:49,479 --> 01:07:52,899 obsessing over golf this past year and hitting 1000s of balls. 1277 01:07:52,899 --> 01:07:57,999 Now I'm like my elbows killing me from from a year of golf, 1278 01:07:58,359 --> 01:08:00,599 never from tennis, now from drumming, 1279 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,240 because I have a friend, Jason Sutter, and he, you know, he's, 1280 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,580 like, was Cornell's drummer, and, yeah, now he's playing with 1281 01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:11,040 Joe Perry, and he had a foray into tennis, and 1282 01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:15,060 he got tennis elbows. Yeah, it can happen. I mean, 1283 01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:20,300 I've just done it since I was a kid. I've always loved it and 1284 01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:22,040 it's always a wannabe. 1285 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,240 Well, you're lean and mean, so I remember you telling me 20 years 1286 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,700 ago, yeah, I get on the bus, I got my Tupperware, I make my 1287 01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:34,700 chicken, I make my meals. You're very disciplined. So the way you 1288 01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:37,340 look, you're probably still doing that. But now, what are 1289 01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:40,900 you doing? Do you stretch? Do you supplement? Do you weight 1290 01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:41,500 train. 1291 01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:43,960 I don't do enough weight training, and my wife gets on me 1292 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,780 because, you know, as you get older, need to be strong, have a 1293 01:08:46,780 --> 01:08:49,540 bad habit of just doing aerobic type stuff. Yeah, that sounds 1294 01:08:49,540 --> 01:08:54,220 sort of my I like that. Yeah, it's not really high energy. 1295 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,260 It's more energy. I'm an up guy, so I weight things never really 1296 01:08:59,380 --> 01:08:59,560 it's 1297 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,520 fun for guys that are past the age of like us, past the age of 1298 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,920 50 weights is not supposed to be good 1299 01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:08,639 like you got, but we lose a pound of muscle years straight. 1300 01:09:08,639 --> 01:09:16,859 This has been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe. You don't want 1301 01:09:17,699 --> 01:09:20,359 to blow out your anus when you're squatting, you know, 1302 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,960 but we're not supposed to do that. Yeah. What are we talking 1303 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:29,900 about? Sorry, guys, yeah. So I don't do enough. I've just been 1304 01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:33,200 obsessing lately over over, you know, hitting golf balls, which 1305 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,480 sounds really bougie and weird, but I have, 1306 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,200 you mean, at the driving range, or the game, or 18 holes, all of 1307 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,420 it. So get this. My dad's got all of it four. Hole in ones. 1308 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:43,840 That's 1309 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,840 unbelievable. How do you say that holes in ones? 1310 01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:48,039 Yeah, hole in ones. 1311 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,520 Hole in ones. What's the plural for hole in one? 1312 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,620 Somebody let us know at the rich Redmond show@gmail.com, 1313 01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:56,440 I think it's hole in ones. Okay, hole 1314 01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:59,920 in ones. That's probably right. Again, I have a weird component. 1315 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,860 Motion to hit a ball, like a tennis ball or golf, was a whole 1316 01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:08,580 other issue that I have. It's not like I'm trying to be, you 1317 01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:10,920 know, make the tour or something. I'm just trying to, I 1318 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,500 just love, sort of my happy place. Do 1319 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:16,560 you do that on the road? That's your thing? Yes. Do you play 1320 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,020 with Rodney? He doesn't play. 1321 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:21,320 So me and couple of boys were out there every day. We were out 1322 01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,240 there yesterday morning before the show 1323 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,360 you get away. Yeah? Because, you know, Aldean, Aldean will hit 1324 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,840 and Kurt will hit. So they'll go out and do the thing. Yeah, 1325 01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:30,560 golf, golf, 1326 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,440 and on the road to, you know, I gotta do, so I used to bring my 1327 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,780 road bike on the road. I used to bring, you know, all kinds of 1328 01:10:35,780 --> 01:10:38,780 stuff I'm trying to segue into, maybe sports that won't kill me. 1329 01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:43,000 Yeah? Not that I'm afraid, but, you know, let me try to do stuff 1330 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,240 that I can actually maintain and not get run over on the road in 1331 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,540 the middle of Iowa. Yeah, myself, it's I push my luck a 1332 01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:50,080 little. I was 1333 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,660 thinking about getting a bike, you know, but, but, you know, 1334 01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:55,300 there is something to the a lot of the drummers that ride their 1335 01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:58,540 bikes, they end up doing something with their wrists. 1336 01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:02,340 Yes, yes. So I've been lucky. I've never really been injured. 1337 01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:04,920 I always joke with drumming. Well, I never really repeat the 1338 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,420 same motion, so I'm not gonna get 1339 01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:09,060 hurt, yeah? Just kind of, now, do you warm up backstage a 1340 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:10,320 little bit? I do pad. 1341 01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,080 No, not really. I kind of, I'll kind of just move 1342 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,140 legs, yeah, move sticks on the legs kind of thing, yeah? Or 1343 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:16,620 sometimes 1344 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,280 hands, just to get them moving. But mostly, like, sort of the, 1345 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,320 you know, I'm trying to, like, run in place and get get a 1346 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:24,620 little 1347 01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:26,840 steady. Now, that's really interesting to hear because I've 1348 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,800 been listening to, you know, Dave Elish, jump rope. Jumps 1349 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:31,880 rope for 10 minutes. 1350 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,020 Yes, is it from tennis all the time? Yeah, jump rope to get 1351 01:11:36,020 --> 01:11:36,380 moving. 1352 01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,800 Now, jump rope. Jumping rope is, you know, I get it because I'm a 1353 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,600 rocky fan. But, you know, unless you're doing the skips and the 1354 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,100 crossovers and stuff it, it seems just like I'm pounding my 1355 01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,000 knees. 1356 01:11:49,420 --> 01:11:52,060 It can be, you got to be, you know, you got to figure out a 1357 01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:52,480 way to get 1358 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:56,020 light, you know, do you do the crosses and, 1359 01:11:56,140 --> 01:12:00,220 no, I can't. I mean, way back. I could do a little bit. I don't 1360 01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:03,600 do it enough. I just want to move so I'm at least warm. Yeah, 1361 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,060 I'm always cold. So, you know, you're warming your hands on, 1362 01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:09,420 like the movie, so lean, you know, I'm on movers trying to 1363 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:12,060 warm my hands. Yeah? You know, hey. 1364 01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:14,880 And we were talking about Jim may have captured it. I don't 1365 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,340 know if he was rolling or not, but we were talking about our 1366 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,080 mutual friend Trey gray. You know, everybody knows that he 1367 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,120 played with Faith Hill in the early days. Tim McGraw in the 1368 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,180 early days. He's done tenure with Reba. He's done now. He's 1369 01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:29,600 currently with Brooks and Dunn. So he was one of the first hard 1370 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,260 hitting, youthful rock inspired drummers to come to Nashville. I 1371 01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:37,340 really feel like he changed things. And I would say that 1372 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,060 we're friends, but you're you see him a lot more than I do. 1373 01:12:41,060 --> 01:12:42,940 You guys have a podcast tell us about 1374 01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:46,840 that. We do have a podcast, which comes from he moved back 1375 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,600 to his hometown in South Bend, Indiana, a bunch of years ago. 1376 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,360 So when he comes to town, he stays at my house if they're out 1377 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,180 on the road. So he I'm his hub. So we would just sit at my 1378 01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:58,900 kitchen table and just YouTube and look at old kiss videos, 1379 01:12:58,900 --> 01:13:01,560 whatever we were talking about, just nonsense, because we're 1380 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,500 buddies, and my wife would just come into the kitchen like, you 1381 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:08,400 guys are killing me, you know, go to bed. Yeah, she's like, I'm 1382 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,800 shutting the door and I'm going to bed. You guys do whatever you 1383 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,880 want. So we always joke, this should be a podcast. It should 1384 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,640 be a podcast. We also thought, well, we could just have our 1385 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,180 friends over to the kitchen table. Well, that didn't, of 1386 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:25,160 course, it never materialized. Long story, longer we during 1387 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,400 covid, we just said, let's just do it, zoomed it, and finally 1388 01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:31,580 got it up and running. Really, it's just him and I talking, was 1389 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,360 what we did at our kitchen table, about nothing. 1390 01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:39,560 And do you I mean people like love that. 1391 01:13:39,620 --> 01:13:44,020 It worked out great, because we're just two morons who go at 1392 01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:47,200 each other, and that's just what we do. So I just press record, 1393 01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:51,700 and then yeah, edited it when he when it got a little off, off 1394 01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:54,280 the rails, yeah? Or he started mentioning names. Let me just 1395 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,000 take those out. Don't 1396 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,340 actually mention specific, yeah. 1397 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,520 Let's not get too far down your issue. But, um, yeah, so it 1398 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,640 turned into a thing, especially during covid, and we've been 1399 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,740 doing it ever since. It's falling off, falling off a 1400 01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:12,540 little bit in the past year, but Trey and Kevin changed the 1401 01:14:12,540 --> 01:14:16,140 world. It was supposed to be Trey and Kevin save the world 1402 01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:19,500 one podcast at a time, yeah? But Pat Buchanan did the theme song 1403 01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:23,060 without drums, yeah. Send it to me. I put drums on it. That's 1404 01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:25,040 the theme song. And then, in the name of the podcast, it's 1405 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,020 a very traditional, like corporate marketing type jingle. 1406 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,320 Yeah, it's a jingle. It's a jingle. He was so excited about 1407 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,820 that. Pat Buchanan is such an excitable young man, so 1408 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,400 he has a childlike spirit. He really does. It's great. 1409 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,460 Speaking of which, Nashville, Pat Buchanan, I first moved to 1410 01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:50,440 town. I A buddy of mine that I also played with, that folk 1411 01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:53,740 singer with bass player. He called me one day said I had 1412 01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:57,340 just moved to town. Hey, do you have a passport? I said, Yes. 1413 01:14:57,340 --> 01:15:01,140 Tony Lucido, no. Guys. Name's Ken. Horn back. He's like, Do 1414 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,740 you have a passport? I like, I'm checking, yeah, I have a 1415 01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:07,680 passport. Yeah, it's still good. Hey, do you want to go do a two 1416 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,320 week tour of England in 24 hours? Yeah, with who? Pat 1417 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,400 Buchanan. I don't know who that is. I'm like, do you mean the 1418 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,500 cameos band? Yeah, yes. I didn't know. I'm new to Nashville. I 1419 01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:25,040 like, Yeah, I'll do it. And this other guy, Jeff Finland, so I 1420 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:30,260 met Pat on the plane going to England to play two weeks of his 1421 01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:33,680 music, the idol jets, which Greg Morrow was in that band. Yeah, 1422 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:37,520 I'm listening to the CD, going, Nope, not gonna play that like, 1423 01:15:38,060 --> 01:15:41,260 not by tomorrow. And I'm learning the music. He's got 1424 01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:45,280 charts charting. Pat had the charts, national number charts, 1425 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,740 yes, which taught me how to write Nashville charts. He I 1426 01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:51,040 still write them in his little square boxes like he did. Yeah, 1427 01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:55,660 that was imprinted on my brain. Super easy. Yeah, great. Got it 1428 01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:58,960 little boxes with slashes. I still do it the same way. Hey, 1429 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:04,620 great. So I met him out of the box. We did this two week pub 1430 01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:07,980 tour of his stuff. We had a great time. We were rocking the 1431 01:16:07,980 --> 01:16:11,580 suits. I didn't know him. And we've been friends for ever. And 1432 01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:11,940 he moved 1433 01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:16,200 to Florida for Right, yeah, he had Lake House taking care of 1434 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,680 his, I think aging mother or, yeah, she passed. 1435 01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:23,299 She did. So he's just kind of, you know, they got their lake 1436 01:16:23,299 --> 01:16:25,579 house and doing the thing, and he still does stuff, but, uh, 1437 01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:29,599 yeah, so lucky me that I stumbled into just as a friend 1438 01:16:29,599 --> 01:16:30,439 to know this not he 1439 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,320 still has the Beatles haircut, yes, which I 1440 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:39,380 love, yes. He, during that trip, he took me to Soho, where this 1441 01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:40,600 suit maker, 1442 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,880 oh, a bespoke suit maker was Seville road. 1443 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,080 It was right near the 1444 01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:52,180 what's the club there? Oh, my gosh, my the canyon club. Nope, 1445 01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:57,760 the cavern the candy club in London, sorry. Oh, my God, I'll 1446 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,220 think of it when it's too late. Anyway, it was right across. 1447 01:17:00,220 --> 01:17:03,300 Luckily, it was closed. Yeah, because if I came home from this 1448 01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:07,860 pub tour after just moved to Nashville with $1,000 suit that 1449 01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:11,100 I wasn't making, yeah, because Pat Bukit, because Pat thought 1450 01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:13,740 it was a cool idea, and he'd had one of like, well, I'm gonna get 1451 01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:16,200 one, I would have been in big trouble, but we've been fast 1452 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,780 friends ever since, just, Oh, it's great, silliness. Sorry. 1453 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,040 Long story. Anytime I've ever ended up in a recording studio 1454 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,040 with Pat it's like, you're gonna have a good time. There's gonna 1455 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,040 be tons of energy and tons of ideas flying and it's just 1456 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:33,020 awesome. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. He insisted that no matter what 1457 01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:35,120 I did on the gig, he doesn't know me because I said, Hey, 1458 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,340 man, what if you need something and I'm not doing it or 1459 01:17:37,340 --> 01:17:39,800 something, just I'm not sensitive. Just fire away, man, 1460 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,860 let me know we don't know each other. It's all good. It'll be 1461 01:17:41,860 --> 01:17:45,580 fun. He's like, all I need from you, no matter sometime in the 1462 01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:48,700 night, to give me a pretty, pretty, like, a pretty, pretty, 1463 01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:53,980 you mean the he's like, Yeah, give me that anywhere. Yeah, 1464 01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:56,860 just give me one of those somewhere. So I would jam it in 1465 01:17:56,860 --> 01:18:00,220 the worst possible spot, yeah, the most unmusical spot I could 1466 01:18:00,220 --> 01:18:02,880 find. And he loved it. He would fall on the floor. I'm like, 1467 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,100 Well, this is fun. I'll just That's amazing. We're having a 1468 01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:08,220 good time. Yeah, great. So anyway, thanks for indulging 1469 01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:09,000 that. So, Kev, 1470 01:18:09,060 --> 01:18:12,180 I'm going to put this out there. Yeah, we could always take it 1471 01:18:12,180 --> 01:18:15,000 out, but I think it's going to be great, okay, but I have known 1472 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,200 you for 28 years, oh my gosh. And I know that you're Italian, 1473 01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:23,540 but I have never known the exact pronunciation of your name? Oh, 1474 01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:26,420 it's funny. Everyone butchers it. They do. Is it rappillo? 1475 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,680 It's rapillo or pillow, hard? L's like, a pillow? Yes. Do you 1476 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,020 have to tell people all the time, because everybody's trying 1477 01:18:33,020 --> 01:18:35,900 to make it Spanish repeal, like, soft. L, exactly. Trying to do 1478 01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,740 that. I'm like, Nope, it's a pillow. Straight up. Yeah, a 1479 01:18:39,740 --> 01:18:42,700 pillow. I was just saying, you get a lot of guys, I'm sure, 1480 01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:43,600 like Rapallo, 1481 01:18:43,660 --> 01:18:46,540 a lot of that wrong accents, which, you know, I'm guilty of 1482 01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:47,560 myself all the time 1483 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,820 in drumming world. I'm so glad I got this because, because I've 1484 01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:54,580 told a million people about you, especially in the early days, 1485 01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:56,380 but I probably butchered your name. It's okay 1486 01:18:57,460 --> 01:19:00,360 not a lot of times in Nashville back in the day. Yeah, Angelo 1487 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,200 was the only other one. 1488 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,840 Yeah, more now, a lot more. Now, a lot more of everything, 1489 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:07,380 yeah, but yeah. Big Italian family still in Connecticut, 1490 01:19:07,380 --> 01:19:09,060 most of them still there on the same street. 1491 01:19:09,060 --> 01:19:10,560 But I think that, I think that we how 1492 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,940 often you get back to go visit your folks, 1493 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,540 not much. I was there this summer for a couple days because 1494 01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:20,600 I we played up through there, and I jumped off the bus and 1495 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,580 stayed home for three days because we had, we were off for 1496 01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:25,160 the week. Still got your mom? No, I lost my mom a couple years 1497 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,500 ago. She was the youngest of that whole crew, which is 1498 01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:29,420 interesting how life works. She's a nurse her 1499 01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:33,080 whole life. Mine too. My mom, 45 years a nurse, right? 1500 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,940 My mom was working almost 1501 01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,020 to the day, yes? Well, I mean, it's, it 1502 01:19:39,019 --> 01:19:41,679 was a little bit of a slow thing, but she's 79 years old. 1503 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:44,079 Is still a full time nurse. I'm like, Mom, what do you got to 1504 01:19:44,079 --> 01:19:45,279 pay the rent? What are you doing? 1505 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,080 Purpose? Did she say? She loves it 1506 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,320 what we do, it's what we do. Is what we do. Yeah, but yeah. So 1507 01:19:50,380 --> 01:19:53,020 lost her, which is tough. You know, I'm spoiled. Mama's boy, 1508 01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:55,780 man, it's tough stuff you got, if you got brothers and sisters, 1509 01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:58,660 brother and sister, lots of cousins. Are you the oldest? I 1510 01:19:58,660 --> 01:19:59,500 am the oldest. 1511 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,100 I'm the. Oldest? Yeah, we're from Connecticut. We're Italian, 1512 01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:04,560 yeah, your mom was a nurse, yeah, really weird. Bro, pretty 1513 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,100 intense, right? What was your dad an accountant? He was shut 1514 01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:08,340 up. 1515 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,760 Swear to god, dude, what the fuck you did? My he did my 1516 01:20:12,180 --> 01:20:16,200 Kenny Aaron off here, he did. He didn't found it. We could say, 1517 01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:21,380 Fuck, wait a minute. So my dad is an accountant? Yeah, I'm 1518 01:20:21,380 --> 01:20:22,340 counting on a nurse. 1519 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,540 Yes. His whole life I didn't do my taxes. Until last year, I 1520 01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:29,120 said, Dad, I'll do him this year. He's 87 he's like, You 1521 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,520 sure? Like, I'll figure it out. I'm like, oh shit. I don't 1522 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,800 know how to he knows more than the IRS at this Yeah, yeah, 1523 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:34,580 yeah. And he's still 1524 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,340 on it. Like, he's still on it, he's still all in that 1525 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,040 really incredible. We're kind of like, Isn't that wild? 1526 01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,380 Like, well, you know, I felt that, you know, it's funny you 1527 01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:46,720 say that because, like, you know, coming to a new town, and 1528 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,320 I wasn't, I wasn't a kid when I came here, so I wasn't 18. I was 1529 01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,960 in my 30s when I came here. So it's a little different 1530 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,740 experience. You're trying to, how do you find your people? You 1531 01:20:56,740 --> 01:20:58,960 know, it was, yeah, so meeting you and people like you, 1532 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:04,680 especially you a you were a good role model, because you were, 1533 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,340 like, not only a great drummer, but you were a dude that was 1534 01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:12,960 going after it. Yeah, I'm like, Oh, that's cool. That guy's but 1535 01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,180 not, well, I appreciate it. Oh, he's in the right. Like, you 1536 01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:17,280 were just going after it. And you were like, cool, and you 1537 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,020 were cool everybody and giving out numbers. 1538 01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:22,340 And Jim was like, you know, you, he says you came to town. What 1539 01:21:22,340 --> 01:21:22,940 did you say, Jim, 1540 01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:27,440 I'm here. Yeah, ready or not. 1541 01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:30,680 But, you know, and other people come and kind of tip toed, and 1542 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,740 maybe that's the, maybe that's the better way, because, because 1543 01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:35,960 I do have a little bit of a reputation, 1544 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,080 guy, yeah, but that's what's funny about anybody that would 1545 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,800 take that on about I'm like, yeah, it's you, dude, it's not 1546 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:50,080 rich, it's you had it figured out. And I didn't have that, and 1547 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,460 I didn't know how to navigate that, especially, like, I wasn't 1548 01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:57,520 a drummer for hire. I'm in a new town. I'm like, How do I figure 1549 01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,600 this out? I'm gonna be me. 1550 01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:03,480 But it was, it was, it was a big deal. The older we 1551 01:22:03,660 --> 01:22:06,180 get, I feel as human beings, the the 1552 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,260 more difficult it is to make major changes like that, 1553 01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:16,320 geographical changes, career changes, absolutely. Would you 1554 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:16,740 agree, Jim, 1555 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,200 the older we get? Yes, yeah, I haven't done it in a while. 1556 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,500 I mean, moving across the country in your 30s is different 1557 01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:27,500 from moving across the country when you're 21 years 1558 01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:29,900 old, because there's no fear, and there's you don't know the 1559 01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:33,260 forces against you, and it's all magical thinking. 1560 01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:37,820 You just moved down here was that daunting about a year ago, 1561 01:22:37,820 --> 01:22:38,960 right? Oh, 1562 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,920 to spring kill Yeah. No, not at all. It's just the drive, you 1563 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,000 know, just more podcasts. 1564 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,860 Yeah, we're still moving. Yeah, I 1565 01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:46,900 didn't move off. This was funny. I moved all the way to 1566 01:22:46,900 --> 01:22:49,960 Nashville, then I didn't move off the street, right since I 1567 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:51,520 got here, so, but that 1568 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,040 paid off brother, who knew Jim Zillow 1569 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,720 compared to Redfin. But dude, this is part of your retirement 1570 01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,960 plan, you know. And that's, that's actually getting to be a 1571 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:01,980 thing you start thinking 1572 01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:05,940 about, for sure, I'm sure people, people ask me, just in 1573 01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:08,100 general, because you do it for a while, how long you gonna 1574 01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,500 do that? Like you didn't take any second mortgages or he 1575 01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,920 locks? Did you say it again? Did you get take any second 1576 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,160 mortgages, or HELOCs out or No? No. Wow. You still got original 1577 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:17,580 equity, 1578 01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:20,720 yeah. And you got your tracking space, yeah, yeah. 1579 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,540 So those little bungals Have those weird bonus rooms up 1580 01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:26,060 there, yeah? Which Trey and I, Trey did that, by the way. He's 1581 01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:28,220 like, this got to be a tracking room. You're crazy. This was, 1582 01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:31,460 like, in 2015 you got to make this a thing. It was just a 1583 01:23:31,460 --> 01:23:34,520 storage space. He, I said, I can't deal with it. And I left 1584 01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,220 the house. I went out with Sandy to get some lunch. He, I left 1585 01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:39,560 him up there. He measured everything. He started setting 1586 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,220 up a kit in the middle of the room. He started nailing kiss 1587 01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:45,220 posters on the wall. He have all this cool stuff. Good friend. He 1588 01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:47,860 did it. Yeah. So that got me started. That's great. 1589 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,680 What's up, Trey? Trey's got to come on. Now, the funny thing 1590 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,660 is, is that, you know, Trey will cut it up with me when I see him 1591 01:23:55,660 --> 01:24:00,180 in person, of course, but he will not return a text ever. Is 1592 01:24:00,180 --> 01:24:01,560 he like an anti technology 1593 01:24:01,559 --> 01:24:05,879 or what? No, he's he's kind of funny. Listen, he's over there, 1594 01:24:07,559 --> 01:24:10,859 texting whomever he's texting, but, uh, but not me. I don't 1595 01:24:10,859 --> 01:24:15,239 know what, not anybody, right? It's annoying. For some reason. 1596 01:24:15,299 --> 01:24:18,899 I don't know what is with him, and I have no idea it makes no 1597 01:24:18,899 --> 01:24:19,379 sense. 1598 01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:24,860 Yeah, but it is what it is. But hey, man, when you see Trey gray 1599 01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:30,620 play, there is a there's a childlike enthusiasm, and he 1600 01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:33,380 just looks like he is having the time of his 1601 01:24:33,380 --> 01:24:37,520 life. Yes, I think he, he's helped me with that, like 1602 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,320 letting go of stuff. Hey, man, sell this kit. Put a rig in your 1603 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,600 attic, you know, I would have never done that. My holding on 1604 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,900 to stuff and not doing that. So he, you know, we helped each 1605 01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:48,880 other that way. And I'm the opposite for him. I'm like, Hey, 1606 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,660 man, don't do that. Yeah, listen, let's do it this way. 1607 01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:56,500 It'll be, yeah, I'm a little bit more on, you know. Well, 1608 01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,620 that's the accountant, Dad. Yeah, I'm a little bit of that 1609 01:24:59,620 --> 01:25:02,820 because. My accountant, Dad was, like, very methodical and very 1610 01:25:02,820 --> 01:25:05,880 safe. Oh, and there's, there's direction, and you have to have 1611 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,640 a plan. And then my mom is magical thinking, yeah, 1612 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,460 sure, yes. You know my I always joke. My dad knows where his 1613 01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:14,640 first $5 is still like, oh, I made that. It's right here, 1614 01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,000 right 1615 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,020 where I framed it, 1616 01:25:16,020 --> 01:25:20,700 1956 I'm like, Yeah, okay. I'm definitely not that way, but, 1617 01:25:21,060 --> 01:25:22,940 but yeah. So that kind of works 1618 01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:26,000 out, but, well, I just think that this is, this was so long 1619 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,680 overdue. I'm so happy for you. I'm so proud of you. It's 1620 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,520 fantastic to call you a friend and a colleague. And you're 1621 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,620 keeping the world safe for country music. You're still 1622 01:25:36,620 --> 01:25:39,680 using cross sticks. You're, you know, you're playing with Tom. 1623 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:44,080 You got a body of work. You're it's a great, great thing. If 1624 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,140 people want to reach out to you, what's the best way for them to 1625 01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:47,860 find I'm 1626 01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:50,920 on Instagram. That's sort of my one social media thing. 1627 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,300 Yeah, not a Facebook. No, I never did, you know, I never did 1628 01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:57,040 Facebook. There was no real reason. 1629 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,500 Yeah, I just It's the old person platform. Now, 1630 01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:03,060 well, back in the day, I think back in the day is when, when 1631 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,780 Facebook was actually taken off. Rodney was taken off. I'm like, 1632 01:26:06,780 --> 01:26:09,660 I'm pretty connected. Like, everybody knows where I am. Is, 1633 01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:12,360 like, I'm not in the witness relocation program. Like, just 1634 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,960 call me, dude, yeah. So I got in, I'm on Instagram, and I'll 1635 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,540 post some dumb things. What's the handle there? Just your 1636 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:20,700 name, just my name. Kevin repellent. That's great. It's 1637 01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:21,020 easy peasy. 1638 01:26:22,340 --> 01:26:24,560 Yeah, man, well, hey, thanks for having me out here. 1639 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,720 Are you kidding me? I'm sorry it's taking so long. We're up 1640 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,900 to, I think, 232, episodes on the early days. You know, we 1641 01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:32,720 had, we were experimenting. We're trying to find our 1642 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,600 audience. We had comedians on. We had we had body language 1643 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,660 experts. We had take celebrity tailors. We even had Huey Lewis 1644 01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:44,260 on, but I think the audience just loves when drummers get 1645 01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:44,800 together, 1646 01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:48,580 you know, yeah, I think it's just to talk about experiences 1647 01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:50,860 and what we've done, that's what Trey and I do. We don't really 1648 01:26:50,860 --> 01:26:53,320 talk about drums. We just talk about whatever. And we've had 1649 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:57,280 people on. Now, if you if we could, I'd love to wrangle you. 1650 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,660 Yeah, me, me, he would do it 1651 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:00,040 the think so, 1652 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,940 if he like. If I said, Hey, we got to go over to you a thing, 1653 01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:06,780 he'd freak out. But I said, Hey, rich is gonna it's the same 1654 01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:08,700 thing, by the way, your audience, you think they would 1655 01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:11,580 come and sit in that chair right there. I could get him to do it. 1656 01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:14,760 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Get him to do it. And you guys do it. I 1657 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,140 won't be on you guys talk. You do the tray thing, cuz once you 1658 01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:21,860 get him going, gotta wind them up. It's, it's 1659 01:27:21,860 --> 01:27:24,860 going, it's Jim. Do you have any interesting questions, or 1660 01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:27,080 anything you'd like to ask our amazing guest today, 1661 01:27:27,140 --> 01:27:30,020 I was gonna wonder, what was a stick? Drop, moment in your 1662 01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:31,880 life? Stick? Drop, yeah, 1663 01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:34,340 there's been a lot of them. 1664 01:27:36,380 --> 01:27:39,860 I had one not too long ago at the beginning of, you know, 1665 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:44,080 running tracks where you have a controller here and you press in 1666 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:51,220 buttons, playing, bang, bang, stick break up in the air. Hits, 1667 01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:55,720 the hits the controller chooses another song. Oh, middle. Oh, 1668 01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:00,840 how's it going? Everybody kill. You know, stuff like that. You 1669 01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,860 know, this is why delicate stuff shouldn't be near the drummer, 1670 01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:06,840 of all the places for this to be. So now it 1671 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,260 seems like they put the laptops over a little bit farther back 1672 01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:14,520 or off with you got SPD kind of a thing, or, you 1673 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:18,480 know, I don't I'm using just an entire controller. I can pick 1674 01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:23,060 any song, and then I just have a little, a little four trigger 1675 01:28:23,060 --> 01:28:25,640 pad that I can make a couple moves, and that's it. I know I 1676 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,240 made it real 1677 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,440 simple. Do you ever use that, that Yamaha, DTX? I did. I have 1678 01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:30,920 a couple of 1679 01:28:30,919 --> 01:28:32,779 those. Yeah, they're cool. They're beasts. Yeah, they're 1680 01:28:32,779 --> 01:28:36,379 great. They're workhorses, yeah? But I was like, this thing's a 1681 01:28:36,379 --> 01:28:39,499 beast. I don't need all these. This is too many options. Yeah, 1682 01:28:39,499 --> 01:28:42,759 I don't want to make this many moves. Yeah, I want on and off. 1683 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,020 Let's play good advice. Bad 1684 01:28:44,019 --> 01:28:47,139 advice. Oh, yeah, I'm still confused about that, so you 1685 01:28:47,139 --> 01:28:48,519 handle it. Okay, so 1686 01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:51,460 we'll have somebody coming into town, or even coming up playing 1687 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,500 their instrument. What's some good advice you have 1688 01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:55,180 for them? Good advice. What's 1689 01:28:56,860 --> 01:28:59,920 your advice? A good question. You know, thing I've run into 1690 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:03,600 maybe with younger players. It's not their ability to play, 1691 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,820 because most younger players could play circles around me 1692 01:29:05,820 --> 01:29:12,060 now, right? Because there's, I would say, listen, listen. Just 1693 01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:15,000 listen to people like, listen to the people you're playing with. 1694 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,780 Yeah, listen to the people you're playing for. You know, a 1695 01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:22,160 lot of players, just young dudes are playing and they want to do 1696 01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,260 the thing, but they're never listening to what 1697 01:29:24,259 --> 01:29:26,059 bulldozing, bulldozing. 1698 01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,020 So basically, don't, don't listen to take in. Listen to 1699 01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:32,120 respond. Listen to respond. 1700 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,820 That is the definition of not listening. Pop psychology. 1701 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,100 Listen to regurgitate something you heard. I mean, listen like, 1702 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,200 listen to what's around you. I know that sounds. 1703 01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:47,320 We stumble. We stumbled on a new like feature, kind of fun thing, 1704 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,600 good advice. Bad like, you give good advice. And then when I 1705 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,500 counter bridge counters 1706 01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:53,380 with some bad, oh, cool. I like that. I could come up with a lot 1707 01:29:53,380 --> 01:29:54,040 of bad advice. 1708 01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:55,840 Well, what's, what's bad advice give us. 1709 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,860 What's that little boy Rich has given me the look of like, Why 1710 01:30:04,860 --> 01:30:06,000 do I have him? Yeah, 1711 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,080 no, it's great stuff. 1712 01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:10,380 Bad advice. It 1713 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,200 sounds like a Saturday in the lifetime. Oh, my God. 1714 01:30:14,820 --> 01:30:17,820 The listening thing just spins me out. Man, not listening just 1715 01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:21,260 spins me out. It's an epidemic, right? I don't want to sound 1716 01:30:21,260 --> 01:30:23,960 like an old guy, even though I am. But it's, it's a problem, 1717 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,580 man. It's like, Man, did you not hear that? 1718 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,060 Bad advice? Overplay. 1719 01:30:29,059 --> 01:30:31,879 Go ahead and fill over all the vocals. 1720 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,520 Yeah, yeah. Bad advice. 1721 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:41,740 Anything that comes out of Trey Gray's mouth, I'm kidding. Good. 1722 01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:41,800 X, 1723 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,100 Sam Kennison falling off the staircase. 1724 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,220 No, I'm kidding with Trey. He would, I would say that if he 1725 01:30:51,220 --> 01:30:51,880 was sitting right 1726 01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,880 here. The funny thing about Trey was like, hey, Trey, you know, 1727 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,280 this show got canceled this year, but we were supposed to do 1728 01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:58,960 Jason Aldean and 1729 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,740 Brooks and Dunn Oh, they were driving there. He called me. 1730 01:31:01,860 --> 01:31:02,520 They were on the way 1731 01:31:02,519 --> 01:31:05,699 Europe, yes, set up her stuff and bent everything. Because 1732 01:31:05,999 --> 01:31:10,379 unbelievable. And then she did it a night, two nights later, at 1733 01:31:10,379 --> 01:31:14,999 another van. Come on, it was her hips. So, ooh, those things are 1734 01:31:14,999 --> 01:31:18,419 like weapons. But anyways, I, you know, I'm texting Trey. I'm 1735 01:31:18,419 --> 01:31:22,399 like, Hey, Modern Drummer wants to do a feature on our kits. 1736 01:31:22,399 --> 01:31:25,819 They want to come out and take a picture of our kids and get the 1737 01:31:25,819 --> 01:31:30,439 specs. And are you down? Can I set this up for us? Crickets, 1738 01:31:31,339 --> 01:31:32,839 are you serious? Got back to me, 1739 01:31:33,380 --> 01:31:36,680 Oh, my God. What is wrong with him? Well, I know what's wrong 1740 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,460 with him, but we should 1741 01:31:37,460 --> 01:31:40,540 bring him on and like, just have him sit there and not respond to 1742 01:31:40,540 --> 01:31:42,460 any of our questions, right? Exactly? 1743 01:31:42,460 --> 01:31:45,940 Ignore him completely. Yeah, he was, they were on the bus and he 1744 01:31:45,940 --> 01:31:48,640 texted me, or he called me and said, Yeah, we're on the way to 1745 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,160 Fenway Park. I'm like, Oh yeah, cool. That'd be great. Yeah, my 1746 01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:56,200 old neighborhood. Except it's not happening. Oh my god, we're 1747 01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,260 turning around. I like that. They did it again. Like that 1748 01:31:59,260 --> 01:32:01,800 guy's still working there. Whoever came up with that rig? 1749 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:02,040 So you 1750 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,060 guys don't bring your own stage, or is it just like a prefab 10 1751 01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:12,420 of stage? 1752 01:32:12,420 --> 01:32:15,300 You know, when you do, I think at Fenway there's a company that 1753 01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:19,500 gets hired to put up the stage the bones, yeah, and then you 1754 01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:21,500 hang your lights and 1755 01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:24,320 stuff. Yeah, yeah, you decorate the tree. Still, though that's 1756 01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:26,120 that's a little frightening. It's coming 1757 01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,520 up. Decorating the tree is coming up. You know? What else 1758 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,880 is coming up? A nice cold glass of Evan Williams eggnog. 1759 01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,240 So now look at the camera. This podcast sponsored by eggnog. No, 1760 01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:35,480 that 1761 01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:37,820 would be great, but Evan Williams is a big old company, 1762 01:32:37,820 --> 01:32:40,040 and I don't you know children are listening to this. We don't 1763 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,560 really want to have an alcohol spot? 1764 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,620 Yeah? I guess I mean, only when they're 21 1765 01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,660 Did you have fun? I had a great time. Thanks for making the trip 1766 01:32:49,660 --> 01:32:49,960 out. 1767 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,260 Thanks for I do feel like I've I always joke I don't like to 1768 01:32:53,260 --> 01:32:54,520 leave the 440 loop, yeah, 1769 01:32:54,519 --> 01:32:56,619 you know. And then you went to 840 Yeah. I 1770 01:32:57,580 --> 01:32:59,380 felt like I was riding the lightning 1771 01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,820 400 loops out of your way. It's a 1772 01:33:03,059 --> 01:33:06,419 little scary. Is it weird to come all the way down here to 1773 01:33:06,419 --> 01:33:07,619 Alabama? Yeah, 1774 01:33:07,860 --> 01:33:11,940 he's been here for 20 years, and I used to when I lived in 1775 01:33:11,940 --> 01:33:14,400 nippers corner, when he would ask me, let's come to my 1776 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,040 barbecue or whatever. Be like, yeah, I'll see in two hours. I 1777 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,120 mean, but now I live here, and you just get used to it, yeah, 1778 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,400 you know, it's like, it's like, you know, when you work in 1779 01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,700 Hollywood and you live in 1000 Oaks, it's like, yeah, it's 1780 01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:26,540 gotta make the job. And 1781 01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,000 especially now you don't, you know, there's no reason to be in 1782 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,480 downtown, that's for sure. But I could have just jumped off the 1783 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,240 bus back from Tuscaloosa last night just throw me on the front 1784 01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:35,540 line. I'm 1785 01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:38,120 just happy you made, made the trip, buddy. And I just think 1786 01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:42,880 that, you know, you did it. You did it, you checked the boxes, 1787 01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,700 and hopefully you had an amazing time doing it. And there's no 1788 01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:48,280 stopping us, man, we're just gonna keep working until they 1789 01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,980 send me home, moving the ball down the field. Yeah, just keep 1790 01:33:50,980 --> 01:33:55,000 going. You know, I love it. Yeah, thanks, gentlemen. That's 1791 01:33:55,000 --> 01:34:00,840 Kevin rappillo. Kevin rappillo, Kevin rappillo, rapillo, it's 1792 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:06,060 raw pillow. It's a raw pillow. It's my pillow.com. So hey 1793 01:34:06,300 --> 01:34:09,120 everybody. Check him out on the Instagram. He will get back to 1794 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,540 you and look for him playing around town. Send me your tracks 1795 01:34:12,540 --> 01:34:17,460 to do his recording in his man cave, in his home. That's worth 1796 01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:23,360 $1.2 million and check him out on the road with Rodney Atkins, 1797 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,840 six number ones, five studio albums. He's been there since 1798 01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,360 day one. Thanks for being here, man. Hey, thanks for having me. 1799 01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,060 Guys, Jim, thank you for all your time and talent and to the 1800 01:34:32,060 --> 01:34:34,460 listener. Hey, I haven't told you in a long time, but we have 1801 01:34:34,460 --> 01:34:37,520 an email address the rich ribbon show@gmail.com any questions or 1802 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,300 concerns you want, things you want to change, things you like, 1803 01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:45,460 send us some advice. 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