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a little bracelet with my address.
If you find him wandering, please return

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him to this address. That's so
funny. So anyway, we are the

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Bible guys, and we want to
welcome you here, and today we're actually

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jumping into this is another big one. Actually a lot of big things with

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Moses, right, this is the
ten command He didn't just kind of go

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halfway on hardly big stuff. Everything
is locked and loaded with Moses, man,

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I mean just you know, we
have the Passover, which is so

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relevant for us, fundamental foundational with
Jesus. We have the Party of the

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Red Sea, which is just yesterday, and today is the Ten Commandments.

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God's top ten lists. Yeah,
top ten out of the six hundred and

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thirteen. There you go. So
we are going to do a segment the

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Desiree put together called stump the pastor
these are fun yeah, And so this

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one comes from Annie R. Hi, Annie, and Annie asks this question,

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If according to the Trinity, Jesus
is really God, then why does

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he refer to God as his father? Nice? This is an act.

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This is a great question. And
honestly, whether you're a new Christian,

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which I would definitely understand why a
new Christian would definitely ask that question.

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But even if you're a mature Christian, you know, if you've never heard

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somebody fully explain the Trinity and just
sort of reference it father, son,

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holy Spirit, and they just move
on, and you've gone to church your

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whole life, and nobody's really ever
you know, took a delve into it.

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You want to you want to try
to answer that. Really you said

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it all the way up to that
point and then didn't give on. Well,

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I could answer it, but I
think you go ahead, all right,

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So here's my response. The response
is, there's good answers. We

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can understand why you confused. Jeff, go ahead, Jeff and head off.

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No. The answer is is that
the Trinity is one of the most

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complex things I would say conceptually in
the Bible. Absolutely, and so what

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we did we as a human as
humans, is we invented the word trinity.

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Nowhere in the Bible, does the
word trinity actually appear. There is

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a concept in the Bible where Jesus
refers to him in being one with the

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Father. You know, in the
beginning was the Word, and the word

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was with God, and the word
was God. We find out later on

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Jesus was the word capitol. W
gave himself the nickname, or God give

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him the nickname. It also says
that Jesus was actually a part. He

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was a part of the creation of
the world. It talks about, you

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know, Jesus says, if you've
seen me, you've seen the Father.

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You know, the Holy Spirit,
the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus

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talks about the intrinsic relationship between he
and the Holy Spirit, and how the

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Holy Spirit interprets us when we pray. We pray, and our prayers are

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received and interpreted and translated by the
Holy Spirit. So all of these things

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we pieced together, and we've come
up with the doctrine of the trinity,

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which is that that is one God, three persons. It's a triune God,

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right, So the trinity is one
God, three persons. And it

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seems to be that, you know, I was taught anyway in Bible college

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that each one seems to play a
specific role. So the way I was

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taught was and it seems to match
up, is that God the Father spoke

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primarily in the Old Testament, and
that seems to be the age of God,

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the Father who spoke aloud. And
then the age of the Son.

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We see him featured in the gospels. He came on the earth, lived

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three and a half years, set
course, you know, set everything in

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motion. And then we live post
church, which is the age of the

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Holy Spirit, which means now Jesus
says, we have the ability to have

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the power of God inside of us, which is a new concept, and

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we have the privilege of that.
And then the role of the Old Testament

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and the Father was God seems to
be the one that sets forth his will.

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Will. He's the one that has
the will. When whenever you hear

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about the will of a person's life
or the you know, the the direction

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is set, it always comes back
to the word the Father. Jesus is

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sort of like the foreman on the
ground. He's the one that comes and

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he initiates the work of the Father. He sets in motion the work of

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the Father. That seems to be
his role. While on earth. And

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then the Spirit is the completer of
the work. Right, the Holy Spirit

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says, he began a good work
in you, the power and the completer,

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right, Yeah, yeah, definitely
the power for sure. And you

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know he translates, he completes.
Uh. He said the helper. He's

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the perfector of the faith. He's
the helper. And that seems to be

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the Spirit's role in all things.
So, you know, why does Jesus

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call God the Father? Because apparently
that's the dynamic that is set up,

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and we don't fully understand it,
but we do know that that is what

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God says. He very specifically describes
himself this way. Yeah. There are

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some non traditional groups that are on
the fringes of Christianity that reject the idea

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of the trinity, and particularly this
would be one of the main arguments is

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why does Jesus refer to God as
the Father and always submitting? Why does

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he pray? And so the other
side of that is, so there's no

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doubt in the New Testament that Paul
taught the trinity, right, there's no

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doubt that the Trinity shows up in
so many places that Jesus baptism at creation

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where you see God creating everything.
Jesus is the word that creates, and

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the Spirit hovers over the earth.
I mean, that's the very first few

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verses of the Bible. You've got
all three persons of the Trinity there.

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Paul references multiple times. Was I
just just pulled it up here a second

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ago? Two Corinthians thirteen. He
says, the grace of our Lord Jesus

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Christ, the Love of God,
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be

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with you, all right, So
he's very clear here what he's talking about.

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It comes up in First Corinthians chapter
twelve, Romans chapter eight, Ephesian

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chapter four, and we go on
different places and he refers to the Trinity.

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But when we look at why would
Jesus, who is God, pray

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to the Father, who is God? It really I think it's because we

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misunderstand what prayer is. Right.
Prayer is just talking, that's all it

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is. And so would it be
natural that Jesus would talk to the Father.

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Sure, it's perfectly natural, But
we tend to make this some kind

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of a mystical religious thing as opposed
to it's just a natural outflowing of a

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relationship. If you have a relationship
with somebody, you talk to somebody,

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and that's the same thing here,
is that Jesus. It really highlights the

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intimacy of the relationship that the Trinity
has, you know, amongst themselves.

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Yeah, and let's not forget that. As hard as unbelievably hard as this

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is to understand, uh, try
splitting yourself and then uh and then the

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part of yourself adding humanity to it, whereas the other part of yourself has

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no humanity in it. Right.
So it's it's, you know, beyond

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our comprehension. But but if if
truly God, God's portion of himself,

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the Father portion of himself, is
the one that sets forth the will,

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then it seems natural to me that
the other part of himself that isn't the

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one right would would pray for the
will of the Father. So that's why

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Jesus would say, not my will, but yours be done. Yeah.

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Yeah, So there's there's an argument
here with regard to you keep referring to

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God as himself as opposed to themselves. That's exactly right, right, So

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careful, So this isn't one God
with three different ways of doing things right,

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right, It's it's three individuals that
make up one God, yeah,

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is the doctor of the training.
It's hard because because you know, when

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we pray, we say thou art
right, which is you are right,

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which which is singular right. But
we're praying to the Father, but we're

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praying the Father specifically, and the
Father is singular yes. And yet he's

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a part of a triune God.
So I don't think it's incomprehensible. Quite

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honestly, the idea of the Trinity. I think that we can understand the

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edges of it, you know,
it's it's hard to understand the nuances,

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but the big idea, I mean, it's happened in our among humanity.

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The Romans had a triumvirate. Three
guys were one emperor. They spoke as

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one, but they were three emperors, right, So I get that.

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I don't know exactly. I don't
understand all the intricate details. I can

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read about it in Roman history,
but I don't understand exactly how it worked.

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But it was three emperors were one
emperor, and it worked for a

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while, right, Well, in
this one, then we have three individuals,

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the Holy Spirit, the Son,
and the Father, and yet they're

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one god. And like you said, they have different roles, and so

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they would mutually submit to one another
in their different roles and communicate. So

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yeah, it's a hey, good
question, Anny, And then you know,

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just understand that there would be some
who would push back against that idea,

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but understand that that is not the
historical orthodox Christian view over the last

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two thousand years. It's pretty fringe. Some of the newer maybe in the

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last one hundred and fifty years,
two hundred years and then there was a

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kind of a subset back more than
a thousand years ago of Christians that would

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push back against the idea of a
trinity. But for the most part,

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all of Christianity and the writers of
the Bible believed in the trinity, right,

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right, for sure? Hey,
great question, really good question.

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Yeah, and so yeah, stump
the pastor that's a that's a good stumping,

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good one. Hey, if you're
gonna stump somebody ask questions about the

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trinity. So that's right, that's
right, that's hard. Well, Hey,

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we are talking today about the Ten
Commandments. So Moses has led the

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people across the Red Sea. God
does an amazing miracle. Then they start

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heading towards sina I. Remember when
when Moses ran into God in the bush.

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He was Sinai, you're going to
come back here, and so this

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is a big, a big thing. He goes back to Sinai. So

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that's the land of Midian, right, And he would have had to have

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originally gone around the Red Sea when
he first fled Egypt's right, but he

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took a shortcut this time, so
he got to SIGNI way quicker. He

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could have gone across it in the
boat. Oh yeah, you're right,

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you could, you know, if
you I don't know if he did,

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but yeah, if he had a
speedboat. Maybe I'm just being contrarian.

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So there's a couple of things some
people believe. Most I think believe that

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Sinai is in the Sinai Peninsula between
Egypt and Israel. Others, and there

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are some legitimate arguments for the idea
that Sinai is actually on the Arabian Peninsula.

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So it's it's somewhere there right,
somewhere in the Middle East and somewhere

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where they can wander for a long
time because it kind of stays that way

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for a while. Anyways, Moses
goes up on the mountain and he's communicating

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with God and he's asking for help, and God is saying, hey,

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I want you to go and consecrate
all this area. He gives them some

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basic laws for how to live and
how to behave. And then after that

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Moses goes back up on the mountain
and God gives him these commandments. Right,

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and it says he's still on the
mountain, he comes down with these

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commandments, it says in Exodus chapter
twenty, verses one through twenty one,

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it says, then God gave the
people all these instructions. I am the

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Lord your God, who rescued you
from the land of Egypt, the place

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of your slavery. You must not
have any other God but ME. You

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must not make for yourself an idol
of any kind, or an image of

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anything in the heavens, round the
earth, or in the sea. You

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must not bow down to them or
worship them. For I, the Lord

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your God, am a jealous God
who will not tolerate your affection for any

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other gods. I lay the sins
of the parents upon their children, the

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entire family, affected, even children
in the third and fourth generations of those

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who reject me. But I love
it, wish unfailing love for a thousand

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generations on those who love me and
obey my commands. You must not misuse

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the name of the Lord your God. The Lord will not let you go

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unpunished if you misuse his name.
Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping

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it holy. You have six days
each week for your ordinary work, but

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the seventh day is a Sabbath day
of rest dedicated to the Lord your God.

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On that day, no one in
your household may do any work.

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This includes you, your sons and
daughters, your male and female servants,

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your livestock, and any foreigners living
among you. For in six days,

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the Lord made the heavens, the
earth, and the sea and everything in

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them. But on the seventh day
he rested. That is why the Lord

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blessed the Sabbath day and set it
apart as holy honor your father and mother.

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And then you'll live a long,
full life in the land the Lord

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your God is giving you. You
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adultery. You must not steal.
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You must not covert your neighbor's house. You must not covert your neighbor's

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wife or male or female servant ox
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your neighbor. And when the people
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ramshorn, and when they saw the
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the mountain, they stood at a
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said to Moses, you speak to
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don't let God speak directly to us, or we will die. Don't be

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afraid, Moses answered them, for
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and so that your fear of Him
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the people stood in the distance,
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That's a sight. Yeah, that
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when they refer to the law of
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ten. Yeah, but it's more
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only ten. Yeah, but Moses
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So the first, very first one
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any other God before me. And
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around church world for a long time, you understand that we we violate this

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all the time. Right. So
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but a lot of times, you
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in the place where only God is
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false God. Right. So so
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a spouse, it could be you
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could be anything, right, And
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lives, we we definitely do that. We go in and out where it's

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and I'm I'm putting more priority towards
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on false idols, uh, sometimes
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stand up and I say, Okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm

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gonna read through the tank commandments and
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commandment, sit down, and so
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know that they violated number one one
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okay, you should not have any
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only like twenty percent of the crowd
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yourself any idol, and then of
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the Lord your God or you know, in vain. And then of course,

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like half the crowd sits down,
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then you say, okay, remember
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you know. Then a few more
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most of the crowd. And then
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shall honor your father and mother,
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crowd. But then it's it's pretty
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depending on the side of the crowd, you have like twenty to thirty

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percent that are still standing. They
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I always say, okay, how
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next I'm gonna lump the next three
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must not commit adultery, and you
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like, you know the rest of
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these lingerers. And then when you
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testimony, then usually everybody sits down, and I say, well, that's

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really funny because it took your eight
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is everybody in this room should have
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you go into false tidle teaching.
So I've done that like probably three times

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in my life. Yeah, and
it's amazing because you know, the rich

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man comes to Jesus and says,
what must I do to enter in the

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Kingdom of God? And then Jesus
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keep the commandments and follow me.
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in his arrogance, I've done all
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then Jesus looks at him and he's
like, come on, man, right,

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and he goes, okay, well, I'll tell you what. Take

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everything you have, sell everything,
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me. And then the man walks
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me back to the first one,
right, right, for stuff. Your

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stuff is your God, right,
right, That's what Jesus was doing,

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wasn't. Yeah, that's really great. So it's interesting, you know,

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if you want a summary of all
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Matthew chapter twenty, just love God
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and strength, and love your neighbor
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Right, It's just like it,
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first half of the commandments are all
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to be about loving people, right, And so it really is divided that

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way. God really does see your
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realms. What are you doing with
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so he breaks it into these,

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these these areas. Now, I
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voice of God, right, the
people, and they're like, hey,

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you talk to us, don't like
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scary. And Moses said that.
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God has come this way to test
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Him will keep you from sinning.
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we talk about the grace of God
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we make God to be very very
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said, the reason why God's doing
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him, and fearing God is what
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we're happy to indulge in God's grace. As a matter of fact, Paul

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multiple times in book Romes has to
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we should keep sinning. So he
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problem. If all you talk about
is grace and you never acknowledge the justice

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of God, then you're going to
want to keep indulging in sin because this

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is great. You get a free
pass, right do you remember did you

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ever get a hall pass at school
and then abuse the hall pass sneak around?

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Oh? Man, I used to
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can I get a haoll pass.
I got to go to the bathroom

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shirt. Next thing, you know, I'm out talking to my friends,

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going all over the place, into
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yeah, and uh, you know, all the things besides the hall pass.

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grace we treat cheaply, right and
uh And so here he says, a

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healthy fear of God is what keeps
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says, the fear of the fear
of the Lord is the beginning of all

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wisdom. Right, So the healthy
fear of God is to understand that,

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you know, it's it's fear in
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no, he's gonna is at me, right, But but but it's but

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it's not it's not fear of punishment
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it's it's a it's a fear of
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like a fear like is could it
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without him? Right? So like
I I fear, I fear his judgment,

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but at the same time I fear
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His plan is is blessings. Right, So it's it's it's more than

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just like, oh, no,
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that that is a very mature view
of a fear of God, and most

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most Christians don't get there. Yeah
yeah, yeah, right, Well it's

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all of this. So so what
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lightning, thunder, and they're afraid
of the power of God and a fear,

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a healthy fear of the power of
God in your life, what he

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can do, and the fact that, hey, there are significant consequences.

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What we didn't read is rate before
this. He says, Listen, he

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lays out all these things, He
concentrates all this stuff. He tells them

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to wash their clothes, he tells
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There's lightning and thunder and the cloud
and all this stuff, and then he

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says, hey, if they go
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for breaking what God's setting up.
Then he gives these ten commandments and all

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of that. They're terrified. Now, man, we're not sure where we

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should step. We're not sure what
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Moses, don't don't let God talk
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We're afraid and God's and Moses says, okay, now you have a

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healthy fear of God, right,
right, and and developing a healthy fear

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of God. But if our children
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of the power of mom and dad
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dad, they usually don't fear God
either, right, They don't fear authority,

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they don't feel And I think that's
a significant issue in our culture,

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in our society today, that we
have people who just don't have any real

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fear of authority and don't have any
healthy respect. Right. And that all

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comes from it starts off with mom
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we have that, then men alive
instead of killing somebody, you know,

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we will think twice, instead of
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If you can, if you can
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follow the rest of God's law.
Right. All the rest of God's law

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falls in here. Most of God's
law as you read through the rest of

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Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. All the rest of them are

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either about how to worship God right, which is the first half of these,

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or how to deal with each other
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other's property, not steal from each
other, don't kill each other right except

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all So when we talk about the
six hundred and seventeen other laws, all

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of them could be summarized in these
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Yeah, I remember doctor Professor Eli
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were two hundred and forty eight Thou
shots three hundred and sixty five Thou shot

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knots to make up six hundred and
thirteen precepts. I don't know why memorize.

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It's it's in my mind, suff
that's in your head that yeah,

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it's just one of those things.
He was a good teacher, yeah he

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was. And but yeah, it's
it's a By the way, I've always

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laughed at the fact that there was
slightly more of Thou shot knots than there

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were Thou shots. Well, that's
our nature, though we need to be

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we always want to know the edges. So Here's what I would say is

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an I've done this before, Hey, which one's your favorite one to break?

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Right? Because there's nowhere in the
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suspended. I would say for our
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Sabbath, right, right. A
of a lot of our listeners probably have

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little statues that they pray to,
put little statues on their dashboard. Yeah,

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they wear little statues in their necklaces, right, Yeah, they pray

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in those situations, and they're they're
using other advocates instead of the Father,

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right, instead of going through Jesus
to the Father. So there's that one.

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There's a lot of a lot of
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And he says, hey, you
work six days, you take one

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day off. And Jesus said in
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to meet the needs of people,
not people to meet the requirements of Sabbath.

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But it's for you. It's a
gift. It's a gift from God

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to you. And too often Christians
go, oh, God, I don't

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have time for your gift. I
don't like your gift whatever, And then

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they wander around or wander around wondering
why they're coming apart physically, why they're

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coming apart emotionally, why their relationships
are falling apart is because they're just driving,

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driving, driving seven days, seven
day, seven days. And you

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believe you can get more done in
seven days than God can get done in

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six days. And so that's why
we push that way. So I would

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encourage, Hey, he doesn't let
you off the hook on any of these

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and so you need to find a
way where you got a twenty four hour

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period every seven days where you're taking
a break and stepping away from whatever it

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is you know. So at Heritage
Church, we tell our staff we don't

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want you to plow Heritage's field.
Right, So I don't know what your

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sabbath should be that recharges your batteries
and this gift from God, but so

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we just say, hey, don't
plow heritage just feeld, don't do Heritage

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Church work twenty four hours every six
days or seven days, right, right?

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And I think it's import God didn't
let us off the hook, So

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go through, figure out which one's
your favorite one to blow off, and

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then hey, let's address that one
this week. That's good. Well,

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hey, that is our time.
Although there's more to talk about, so

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much more, but we just have
to end. So hey, hopefully we'll

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just pick up again and we'll see
you then next time on the Bible, guys,