WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.180 --> 00:00:00.880 Mario: And there we go 00:00:00.909 --> 00:00:02.390 Alan: Hey, got the count in there. 00:00:02.949 --> 00:00:05.943 although , I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you a some feedback there. 00:00:06.323 --> 00:00:07.503 One of the fonts was different. 00:00:07.503 --> 00:00:08.303 Is that intentional? 00:00:09.223 --> 00:00:10.243 Mario: No, no, it's not. 00:00:10.403 --> 00:00:12.123 I haven't figured out how to fix that. 00:00:12.223 --> 00:00:15.903 It seems to happen only the first time that you 00:00:15.953 --> 00:00:16.293 Alan: is it, 00:00:16.293 --> 00:00:17.653 is it using a web font or something? 00:00:17.653 --> 00:00:18.253 Loading it in 00:00:18.863 --> 00:00:19.153 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:19.193 --> 00:00:23.343 I mean, it's supposed to be using the same font that everything is, you know, 00:00:23.613 --> 00:00:28.383 that everything is using in the UI, but for some reason, the first number 00:00:28.410 --> 00:00:30.283 it's like it's not cached or something. 00:00:30.283 --> 00:00:32.073 And then after that it's cached 00:00:32.093 --> 00:00:33.253 Alan: I mean, it's kind of quirky, right? 00:00:33.313 --> 00:00:37.413 So you get the countdown into recording, but it's in a unusual 00:00:37.483 --> 00:00:38.813 font for the first number. 00:00:39.623 --> 00:00:39.913 Mario: yeah. 00:00:40.063 --> 00:00:41.193 It's, it's kind of weird. 00:00:41.313 --> 00:00:42.823 I haven't figured out how 00:00:42.863 --> 00:00:45.353 Alan: well, the fix there is just not to use a web font for that. 00:00:45.353 --> 00:00:45.633 Right. 00:00:45.903 --> 00:00:47.073 Just use the browser font. 00:00:47.773 --> 00:00:49.095 So they're all in serif. 00:00:50.058 --> 00:00:50.348 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:50.458 --> 00:00:50.748 Yeah. 00:00:50.748 --> 00:00:53.188 Maybe, maybe I'll just do that, like system UI or 00:00:53.188 --> 00:00:54.908 something, something like that. 00:00:56.498 --> 00:00:56.788 Yeah. 00:00:57.144 --> 00:00:57.764 That's a good 00:00:57.834 --> 00:00:58.574 Alan: That's nice though. 00:00:58.574 --> 00:00:59.334 That's nice idea. 00:00:59.554 --> 00:01:02.283 So yeah, for, for, for everybody else, basically, there's a, there's 00:01:02.283 --> 00:01:03.803 a countdown when you start recording. 00:01:03.863 --> 00:01:05.912 So everybody knows that you're about to go. 00:01:06.212 --> 00:01:07.032 That's nice. 00:01:07.322 --> 00:01:07.612 Mario: Yeah. 00:01:07.732 --> 00:01:11.012 I, I noticed other recording tools like Loom or, you know, 00:01:11.012 --> 00:01:12.412 recording tools kind of do that. 00:01:12.641 --> 00:01:14.654 but actually it came out of necessity. 00:01:15.254 --> 00:01:19.254 actually, because there's some pre-procesing stuff that needs to 00:01:19.254 --> 00:01:21.774 happen when you click the record button. 00:01:22.354 --> 00:01:26.917 And so I need a little bit of extra, couple of seconds to, 00:01:26.917 --> 00:01:28.487 to just get some stuff going. 00:01:28.577 --> 00:01:28.927 Right. 00:01:29.014 --> 00:01:30.454 some stuff has to init there 00:01:30.489 --> 00:01:30.689 Alan: Yeah. 00:01:30.689 --> 00:01:34.169 It's it actually works both better for you and for the user as well. 00:01:34.279 --> 00:01:36.089 It's a bit of a warning what's coming in. 00:01:36.734 --> 00:01:37.224 Mario: exactly. 00:01:37.484 --> 00:01:41.264 So at, at first I was like, okay, I need, that little delay, but 00:01:41.304 --> 00:01:42.904 I don't wanna just delay it. 00:01:43.084 --> 00:01:44.264 And so I figure, okay. 00:01:44.364 --> 00:01:45.364 A countdown would be perfect. 00:01:45.447 --> 00:01:46.966 So it works both ways. 00:01:46.986 --> 00:01:47.206 So 00:01:47.581 --> 00:01:47.871 Alan: nice. 00:01:47.871 --> 00:01:48.281 it's nice. 00:01:48.281 --> 00:01:52.831 Also, I notice the not recording is highlighted a bit more to make it clear 00:01:52.831 --> 00:01:54.231 that you are not recording, right. 00:01:54.381 --> 00:01:54.791 That was, 00:01:55.556 --> 00:01:59.827 Mario: yeah, actually before there was nothing at all, if you weren't recording, 00:01:59.962 --> 00:02:02.302 Alan: ah, so you didn't actually realize you weren't recording. 00:02:03.302 --> 00:02:03.592 Mario: Yeah. 00:02:03.652 --> 00:02:07.933 So, so one of the questions I got from someone was like, okay it wasn't so 00:02:07.933 --> 00:02:11.986 much a question, but we were chatting and it became obvious to me that there 00:02:11.986 --> 00:02:14.010 wasn't something there that was clear. 00:02:14.010 --> 00:02:14.410 enough. 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:18.292 Like there's something there when you are recording, like right now that you can 00:02:18.292 --> 00:02:21.812 see that it's recording, but there wasn't anything there when you're not recording. 00:02:21.812 --> 00:02:24.092 So just to reassure you, right. 00:02:24.552 --> 00:02:25.732 So it's equally important. 00:02:25.972 --> 00:02:28.042 I think to know when it, it's not 00:02:28.202 --> 00:02:28.702 Alan: Oh, definitely. 00:02:28.702 --> 00:02:31.878 Because again, the, the expectation might be while I'm on screen, 00:02:31.878 --> 00:02:32.878 so therefore it's recording. 00:02:32.878 --> 00:02:33.078 Right. 00:02:33.134 --> 00:02:34.854 I can imagine how people would assume that. 00:02:34.874 --> 00:02:36.214 So make it clear. 00:02:36.964 --> 00:02:37.254 Mario: Yeah. 00:02:37.274 --> 00:02:38.043 So I figured it. 00:02:38.043 --> 00:02:42.203 would be good to add a, a label there for the not recording state as well. 00:02:42.343 --> 00:02:46.263 So there's a couple of minor changes that I had to put in. 00:02:46.263 --> 00:02:47.848 I guess I might as well share 00:02:48.338 --> 00:02:48.798 Alan: Go for it. 00:02:48.798 --> 00:02:49.078 Yeah. 00:02:49.078 --> 00:02:49.198 Yeah. 00:02:49.198 --> 00:02:50.598 Well, you you're on a roll 00:02:51.058 --> 00:02:52.233 Mario: since, since we're at it. 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:56.611 And I thank you for giving me your email address to share the notion notes. 00:02:56.621 --> 00:02:56.911 Alan: yeah. 00:02:57.011 --> 00:02:58.111 Why haven't we done this before? 00:02:58.191 --> 00:02:58.671 I dunno. 00:02:59.501 --> 00:03:00.101 Mario: I know, right. 00:03:00.361 --> 00:03:00.581 So 00:03:01.041 --> 00:03:02.191 Alan: we're really organized here. 00:03:02.911 --> 00:03:03.231 Mario: I, know 00:03:04.801 --> 00:03:08.412 Alan: I, on, on the same, on the same note I've, I've done notes 00:03:08.552 --> 00:03:12.332 for that edited, but not published episode, like three times now. 00:03:12.592 --> 00:03:16.292 And because I've been just doing it in transistors browser interface, 00:03:16.752 --> 00:03:19.252 and then I've come back and my machine's been like, Hey, guess what? 00:03:19.292 --> 00:03:20.092 I crashed overnight. 00:03:20.112 --> 00:03:21.932 And you've just lost the thing you typed in. 00:03:21.992 --> 00:03:23.212 So I'm like, okay. 00:03:23.632 --> 00:03:25.852 I'm I'm like, okay, I need to not do it in the browser. 00:03:26.012 --> 00:03:27.932 I just need so, cause it course listening to it. 00:03:27.932 --> 00:03:30.202 I'm like, oh, I'll tell I put what we, you know, the URLs we 00:03:30.202 --> 00:03:31.122 talk about and stuff like that. 00:03:31.422 --> 00:03:32.912 And then yeah, just, yeah. 00:03:32.912 --> 00:03:33.522 Thanks mate 00:03:33.522 --> 00:03:33.732 Mario: yeah. 00:03:34.142 --> 00:03:36.404 Or what you could do too is save it as a draft. 00:03:36.849 --> 00:03:37.199 Alan: Right. 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.039 I sh that that's what I should have done. 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.719 So I, what I did is I I'll put like the show notes at the 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:43.919 bottom of each episode in Notion. 00:03:44.019 --> 00:03:48.079 So just we can, I can edit it in there and then we've got a record of it anyway. 00:03:48.179 --> 00:03:48.959 So yeah. 00:03:48.999 --> 00:03:51.119 I don't know why I didn't do that before. 00:03:53.429 --> 00:03:56.079 There's nothing worse than doing the same thing that you've already done 00:03:56.079 --> 00:03:58.669 again, it comes like a real chore, right. 00:03:58.669 --> 00:04:00.669 First time, it's like, okay, I can do this second time. 00:04:00.669 --> 00:04:01.669 You're like, I've already done this. 00:04:01.669 --> 00:04:02.949 Why am I having to do this again? 00:04:03.329 --> 00:04:03.949 The third time? 00:04:04.049 --> 00:04:04.869 Really not fun. 00:04:06.064 --> 00:04:06.354 Mario: yeah. 00:04:07.704 --> 00:04:07.994 Yeah. 00:04:08.074 --> 00:04:08.954 I hate it when that happens. 00:04:09.234 --> 00:04:13.231 I was using some other tool the other day and forget which one it was, but it 00:04:13.291 --> 00:04:19.340 has like a Modal i nterface and And when you hit the, escape key, if you happen 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:24.300 to hit, hit the escape key, it takes you out of it and you lose that you typed 00:04:24.300 --> 00:04:26.065 Alan: the, the stuff you entered with it, right? 00:04:26.700 --> 00:04:26.990 Mario: Yeah. 00:04:27.170 --> 00:04:30.150 And it, and it is weird though, cuz it's a, it's like a modal so 00:04:30.210 --> 00:04:34.630 it should, it should stay there typically modals, if you don't 00:04:34.630 --> 00:04:35.740 clear, it, it, you know, stays there, 00:04:35.740 --> 00:04:37.410 Alan: Especially when there's a text century box. 00:04:37.440 --> 00:04:37.730 Yeah. 00:04:37.820 --> 00:04:41.284 Again, because this is that weird thing with, you know, replacing 00:04:41.337 --> 00:04:45.127 stuff that the browser does for you with, you know, JavaScript and you 00:04:45.197 --> 00:04:46.694 lose expectations in the process. 00:04:46.694 --> 00:04:47.014 Right. 00:04:47.034 --> 00:04:51.854 Cuz you know, if you navigate away from a webpage, I'll say, you sure you want, 00:04:51.854 --> 00:04:53.244 you're gonna, is the data on this? 00:04:53.304 --> 00:04:53.884 Are you sure? 00:04:53.890 --> 00:04:57.607 Whereas yeah, when you do a new JavaScript, guess what you , if the, the 00:04:57.607 --> 00:04:59.350 developer doesn't do that themselves, then 00:04:59.350 --> 00:04:59.530 Mario: Yeah. 00:04:59.530 --> 00:04:59.590 Yeah. 00:04:59.920 --> 00:05:00.680 Alan: that functionality. 00:05:01.244 --> 00:05:03.464 Mario: And, and I did it like twice. 00:05:03.614 --> 00:05:06.504 Also, if you click outside, it just takes you out. 00:05:06.564 --> 00:05:08.664 So it's one time I hit escape. 00:05:08.784 --> 00:05:10.664 I lost what I was putting and then I, and then I clicked 00:05:10.664 --> 00:05:11.904 outside and I lost it again. 00:05:12.024 --> 00:05:12.704 I was like, oh, 00:05:13.529 --> 00:05:16.419 Alan: Yeah, actually that's one of the things I did on DotPlan was if you, when 00:05:16.419 --> 00:05:20.431 you're entering text for the plans and the achievements, cuz they're like, you 00:05:20.431 --> 00:05:24.871 know, intentionally one liner, things like did this, did that they save when you 00:05:24.871 --> 00:05:31.279 click save or hit return, but for the free form text section save every like two or 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.433 three seconds just so if you can navigate away, come back and it's just there. 00:05:34.485 --> 00:05:37.677 Expectation is like, you know, it's, if you've typed it in, then 00:05:37.677 --> 00:05:38.997 you probably don't wanna lose it. 00:05:38.997 --> 00:05:39.197 Right. 00:05:39.197 --> 00:05:41.717 So, I mean, it's, that's one of the nice things that, you know, live 00:05:41.717 --> 00:05:43.380 view is like, so trivial to do that. 00:05:43.380 --> 00:05:44.931 It's kind of nice to, nice to have that. 00:05:45.966 --> 00:05:46.256 Mario: Nice. 00:05:46.686 --> 00:05:46.976 Yeah, 00:05:47.171 --> 00:05:48.241 Alan: Sorry, interrupted you there. 00:05:48.956 --> 00:05:50.176 Mario: Oh no, no, no worries. 00:05:51.046 --> 00:05:52.936 It's all free flowing here. 00:05:54.446 --> 00:05:55.676 free flowing conversation. 00:05:55.676 --> 00:05:55.948 Yeah. 00:05:56.128 --> 00:06:00.362 So you might notice, I have some sound foam back here behind me. 00:06:00.982 --> 00:06:04.027 So I got a few panels the other day and I had 'em last time we 00:06:04.027 --> 00:06:06.027 met, but I forgot to mention it. 00:06:06.133 --> 00:06:09.633 And I didn't get enough apparently, cuz I don't like the square 00:06:09.783 --> 00:06:11.313 that, you know, you can see there 00:06:11.313 --> 00:06:12.128 Alan: window there, right? 00:06:12.583 --> 00:06:12.873 Mario: yeah. 00:06:13.013 --> 00:06:13.833 So I got more 00:06:13.838 --> 00:06:15.488 Alan: yeah, you maybe spread them out. 00:06:15.488 --> 00:06:18.048 Doesn't have to be all like, you know, continuous, right? 00:06:19.023 --> 00:06:19.143 Mario: together. 00:06:19.253 --> 00:06:19.543 Yeah. 00:06:19.583 --> 00:06:20.543 I was thinking about that. 00:06:20.823 --> 00:06:21.863 I did get more though. 00:06:21.963 --> 00:06:24.503 So I might just, I don't know, add more 00:06:24.508 --> 00:06:27.632 Alan: your, your room does sound a little bit more echoy than mine. 00:06:28.032 --> 00:06:32.692 I don't know whether mine, because I'm not I have both curtains and 00:06:33.152 --> 00:06:35.212 I'm sat not square to any wall. 00:06:35.312 --> 00:06:37.852 So I don't know if it's just the angle I'm at, whereas you are, 00:06:37.852 --> 00:06:41.042 you know, you have effectively a flat wall in front of you, right? 00:06:41.582 --> 00:06:41.802 So. 00:06:41.947 --> 00:06:42.237 Mario: yeah. 00:06:42.997 --> 00:06:43.357 I do. 00:06:43.417 --> 00:06:47.086 And I have some curtains here on the side for the window, but 00:06:47.086 --> 00:06:50.216 they're they're open right now, so they're not, I Should I should. 00:06:50.216 --> 00:06:50.856 That's a good idea. 00:06:50.896 --> 00:06:55.406 I should probably just close 'em when, when we record so that it I absorbs 00:06:55.406 --> 00:06:56.926 more sound cuz they're they're there. 00:06:56.966 --> 00:07:00.326 I could, I should use them, but the other walls don't have much. 00:07:00.446 --> 00:07:05.056 I mean, I have picture frames and, what have you, but not, not nothing soft 00:07:05.191 --> 00:07:05.411 Alan: Mm 00:07:06.276 --> 00:07:06.856 Mario: can absorb. 00:07:06.856 --> 00:07:09.096 That's why I put those, these foams behind me. 00:07:09.436 --> 00:07:13.176 So hopefully this helps, a little bit and I got more, so I'm gonna fill it up more. 00:07:13.411 --> 00:07:13.701 Alan: Nice. 00:07:14.426 --> 00:07:17.003 Mario: So it'll have a nice a bsorbing area there. 00:07:17.003 --> 00:07:18.507 So hopefully that, makes for a 00:07:18.542 --> 00:07:21.706 Alan: It's having seen my brother go through the, the fun of soundproofing 00:07:21.706 --> 00:07:24.746 things for a studio is kind of like, I don't understand it. 00:07:25.136 --> 00:07:27.846 , it's very complicated to get it, to get it sounding right. 00:07:27.846 --> 00:07:28.066 Right. 00:07:28.086 --> 00:07:29.586 But it's kind of magic when he does it. 00:07:30.746 --> 00:07:33.636 Mario: yeah, no, I'm, this is all I'm doing. 00:07:33.856 --> 00:07:37.036 I'm just, you know, just trying to improve it a little bit and that's it. 00:07:37.336 --> 00:07:40.174 And yeah, I'll, I'll leave it a, a that cuz otherwise. 00:07:40.324 --> 00:07:40.614 Yeah. 00:07:40.749 --> 00:07:44.887 I can't spend too much time on but yeah, hopefully it sounds 00:07:44.887 --> 00:07:46.447 better going forward with that. 00:07:46.511 --> 00:07:51.659 I finally ran a really long ethernet, cable from my router 00:07:51.659 --> 00:07:54.209 downstairs up to my office space here 00:07:54.224 --> 00:07:56.644 Alan: So we're gonna get nice solid five bar signal now. 00:07:56.644 --> 00:07:56.724 Right. 00:07:56.816 --> 00:07:57.106 Mario: Yeah. 00:07:57.106 --> 00:07:58.486 And it Seems to be to be working 00:07:59.421 --> 00:08:03.141 Alan: I mean, it made such a massive difference to my quality of life here. 00:08:03.361 --> 00:08:06.301 And the, the crazy thing is I can see the router is, is there, 00:08:06.401 --> 00:08:08.621 it, it, I could throw this at it. 00:08:08.621 --> 00:08:08.781 Right. 00:08:08.836 --> 00:08:13.572 But it's, yeah, I got this ridiculously long flat ethernet cable and just 00:08:13.572 --> 00:08:14.772 like went all the way around. 00:08:15.192 --> 00:08:15.612 the apartment. 00:08:15.992 --> 00:08:19.242 And it is ridiculous cuz as I, it is right there, but to get there to there 00:08:19.262 --> 00:08:21.042 and not trip over it, it's like, it's 00:08:21.247 --> 00:08:21.537 Mario: yeah. 00:08:21.582 --> 00:08:22.202 Alan: and it's weird. 00:08:22.202 --> 00:08:22.402 Right. 00:08:22.402 --> 00:08:25.402 You measure it and it's never long, you know, you're like, it can't 00:08:25.402 --> 00:08:26.722 possibly be like that many meters. 00:08:26.862 --> 00:08:30.242 And you're like actually throw in an extra five because you'll want 00:08:30.242 --> 00:08:31.762 to go around the corner there and 00:08:31.907 --> 00:08:32.367 Mario: oh yeah, 00:08:32.392 --> 00:08:35.845 Alan: it's crazy how yeah, the actual circumference is way 00:08:35.845 --> 00:08:37.355 longer than you think it should 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:37.960 Mario: way longer. 00:08:38.060 --> 00:08:41.880 If you're going around things and going, you know, up and down and, 00:08:41.900 --> 00:08:44.680 and just to get it out of the way and that's exactly what I had to do. 00:08:44.680 --> 00:08:48.540 And I, I did get the flat type and we have baseboards that are white, 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.524 so I got the white flat cable. 00:08:51.064 --> 00:08:55.168 And so I ran it all along the baseboard as inconspicuous as possible. 00:08:55.439 --> 00:09:00.501 and I went and I had to go around a doorframe downstairs and then back 00:09:00.611 --> 00:09:04.381 down you know, it's just like a long route to get all the way up here. 00:09:04.641 --> 00:09:06.781 And so I got a a hundred foot cable, 00:09:07.031 --> 00:09:07.251 Alan: Yep. 00:09:07.365 --> 00:09:08.905 Mario: To make sure that I had enough, I, 00:09:08.905 --> 00:09:10.475 Alan: It's better, better too much than too level. 00:09:10.475 --> 00:09:10.795 Right. 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:11.620 Mario: yeah. 00:09:11.890 --> 00:09:12.180 Yeah. 00:09:12.400 --> 00:09:13.500 Alan: But I say it it's crazy. 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:15.180 Just how much of a difference it makes again. 00:09:15.250 --> 00:09:16.315 It's well worth it. 00:09:17.294 --> 00:09:17.584 Mario: yeah. 00:09:17.828 --> 00:09:18.808 Alan: congratulations. 00:09:18.808 --> 00:09:19.798 Happy new ethernet. 00:09:20.663 --> 00:09:20.953 Mario: Yeah. 00:09:22.293 --> 00:09:22.713 thanks. 00:09:23.613 --> 00:09:28.010 I released a, couple of bug fixes that were really necessary to 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.587 improve the recording reliability. 00:09:31.327 --> 00:09:36.069 So including this, three second countdown and couple of other things that I 00:09:36.069 --> 00:09:38.468 needed to fix and, make more robust. 00:09:38.808 --> 00:09:39.378 Alan: does that mean 00:09:39.448 --> 00:09:39.668 Mario: So. 00:09:39.798 --> 00:09:40.258 Alan: to release? 00:09:40.405 --> 00:09:41.345 Mario: Yes, definitely. 00:09:41.445 --> 00:09:42.685 And, and, and this is it. 00:09:42.685 --> 00:09:47.316 Hopefully nothing else comes up that gets reported by users and not planning 00:09:47.456 --> 00:09:51.276 on, on touching any more features or doing any, any of that for now. 00:09:51.376 --> 00:09:56.341 So after those bug fixes, I released yesterday actually. 00:09:56.411 --> 00:10:00.345 I don't really have anything else that's pressing that I, that I, 00:10:00.485 --> 00:10:00.905 Alan: Really? 00:10:01.365 --> 00:10:01.785 No, no 00:10:01.785 --> 00:10:02.305 blockers now. 00:10:02.305 --> 00:10:05.065 So you're happy with all the reliability, the recording. 00:10:05.655 --> 00:10:05.945 Yeah. 00:10:06.295 --> 00:10:06.715 Mario: So far. 00:10:06.715 --> 00:10:07.875 Yeah, so far it's so good. 00:10:07.907 --> 00:10:08.907 I, yeah. 00:10:08.948 --> 00:10:12.551 If, if nothing else comes up, you know, crossing fingers 00:10:12.861 --> 00:10:17.558 Alan: So the, the remaining thing is the subscription partitioning rate. 00:10:17.602 --> 00:10:18.302 The restrictions. 00:10:18.302 --> 00:10:20.822 Yeah, that's the, that's the, that's the one remaining thing. 00:10:20.822 --> 00:10:21.022 Yeah. 00:10:21.802 --> 00:10:22.022 Mario: yes. 00:10:22.202 --> 00:10:27.921 And I started working on that already, so I first, I filed for my business entity. 00:10:28.061 --> 00:10:31.569 So I am waiting for that to, you know, go through the, the whole 00:10:31.709 --> 00:10:32.599 Alan: Does that take long? 00:10:32.669 --> 00:10:32.939 Yeah. 00:10:32.989 --> 00:10:33.279 Mario: Yeah. 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.239 it can take a couple of weeks, but 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:35.829 Alan: not too bad. 00:10:35.859 --> 00:10:36.149 Yeah. 00:10:36.149 --> 00:10:36.429 Yeah. 00:10:37.019 --> 00:10:38.355 It's I'm assuming it gets, yeah. 00:10:38.355 --> 00:10:39.835 Reasonably, is it done online? 00:10:39.835 --> 00:10:40.755 Reasonably straightforward. 00:10:41.555 --> 00:10:44.835 Mario: I am using an online service to do it, but you know, they, they 00:10:44.945 --> 00:10:47.265 file for you, you with the state. 00:10:47.485 --> 00:10:47.705 So, 00:10:48.085 --> 00:10:50.958 Alan: is that an L is it LLC there that you do? 00:10:51.223 --> 00:10:52.563 Mario: LLC mm-hmm . Yeah. 00:10:53.113 --> 00:10:53.403 Yeah. 00:10:54.143 --> 00:10:57.345 So and actually an issue came up that I had to deal with. 00:10:57.400 --> 00:11:01.946 They sent me an email that they needed some, some information 00:11:01.946 --> 00:11:03.426 that wasn't correct or something. 00:11:03.526 --> 00:11:04.918 And took care of that today. 00:11:04.918 --> 00:11:10.358 So now hopefully the process will continue and move forward and within a week or 00:11:10.358 --> 00:11:12.539 two, hopefully I'll have that taken care 00:11:12.674 --> 00:11:13.154 Alan: official again. 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:14.769 Mario: Yeah, yeah. 00:11:15.734 --> 00:11:19.144 Alan: it's I, I forget it's there you have to, it's not too 00:11:19.144 --> 00:11:20.424 expensive to do in The US, I think. 00:11:20.424 --> 00:11:20.744 Is it 00:11:20.819 --> 00:11:22.069 Mario: It's not too expensive. 00:11:22.649 --> 00:11:26.419 The, the fee actually, if you do it yourself, the, because You could 00:11:26.509 --> 00:11:31.699 definitely file with the state yourself, do it all yourself, which is the 00:11:31.699 --> 00:11:36.139 way I did it before, you know, a few years ago when I, I formed my first. 00:11:36.284 --> 00:11:36.644 Alan: last time. 00:11:36.644 --> 00:11:36.884 Yeah. 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:37.969 Mario: Yeah. 00:11:37.969 --> 00:11:38.369 I did it. 00:11:38.449 --> 00:11:39.509 I did it myself last time. 00:11:39.518 --> 00:11:43.558 And it was also an LLC and it was only like, you know, less than a hundred 00:11:43.558 --> 00:11:49.318 dollars for the filing fee and plus some other expenses related to that. 00:11:49.373 --> 00:11:54.038 I think overall it was around maybe a couple hundred dollars, 00:11:54.133 --> 00:11:54.713 Alan: That's cool. 00:11:56.088 --> 00:11:59.548 Mario: but this time around I'm using a service, cuz I just don't wanna 00:11:59.608 --> 00:12:02.908 be dealing cuz you know, it's not that complicated, but it just takes 00:12:03.093 --> 00:12:03.743 Alan: yeah, exactly. 00:12:04.053 --> 00:12:04.343 it's 00:12:04.688 --> 00:12:07.868 Mario: and, and then if you do it with the state, you, they don't, I don't 00:12:07.868 --> 00:12:12.588 think unless they have a way to do it online now with the state back when 00:12:12.588 --> 00:12:16.338 I did it, it was all by mail because there was no, way to do it online. 00:12:16.522 --> 00:12:19.522 I don't know if they have that now, but you know, I just 00:12:19.662 --> 00:12:20.722 didn't wanna deal with that. 00:12:20.742 --> 00:12:24.762 So I It's it's money well spent just to pay a service, to do it for you. 00:12:24.822 --> 00:12:28.213 And you know, it's all, electronic because I'm just dealing with them and 00:12:28.323 --> 00:12:29.773 they deal with the state, you know, 00:12:29.878 --> 00:12:31.008 Alan: They just know what they're doing. 00:12:31.008 --> 00:12:31.248 Right. 00:12:31.728 --> 00:12:34.928 I mean, it's so stressful this stuff anyway, it's like, you 00:12:34.928 --> 00:12:36.008 know, doing taxes and things. 00:12:36.078 --> 00:12:39.888 It's like, I, I kind of know what I should be doing, but every 00:12:39.888 --> 00:12:43.008 single thing you doubt yourself and you're like, am I doing this right? 00:12:43.068 --> 00:12:45.248 Is there something I should know that I don't know. 00:12:45.838 --> 00:12:48.351 it's one thing, anything that removes anxiety and stress, is 00:12:48.351 --> 00:12:50.941 it well worth paying a little bit of money for if you can 00:12:51.226 --> 00:12:52.076 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:12:52.336 --> 00:12:56.990 And at some point I considered using Stripe Atlas for that, but from what 00:12:56.990 --> 00:13:00.790 I understand, they don't do LLCs 00:13:00.884 --> 00:13:04.694 Like this, like I'm filing with the state of California forming 00:13:04.694 --> 00:13:06.002 it with the state of California. 00:13:06.227 --> 00:13:09.227 Alan: have to do a, is it, is it that you do a Delaware operation if 00:13:09.312 --> 00:13:09.892 Mario: Del Delaware. 00:13:09.927 --> 00:13:10.547 Alan: of yeah. 00:13:10.547 --> 00:13:11.467 Where you are, right. 00:13:11.932 --> 00:13:12.222 Mario: Yeah. 00:13:12.332 --> 00:13:12.622 Yeah. 00:13:12.622 --> 00:13:16.702 They, they do it with Delaware and, and they do, I don't think it's an LLC. 00:13:16.702 --> 00:13:19.222 They do like a C Corp or S 00:13:19.447 --> 00:13:21.647 Alan: I, I think that there is some options, but yeah. 00:13:21.687 --> 00:13:23.887 I mean, it didn't really fit for what I needed either. 00:13:23.987 --> 00:13:26.012 So I think we talked about that before, but makes 00:13:26.102 --> 00:13:28.022 Mario: And it, it it's a bit pricey too. 00:13:28.049 --> 00:13:31.419 It's more than what I'm paying this other service to do the LLC 00:13:31.419 --> 00:13:31.539 LLC 00:13:31.599 --> 00:13:32.119 Alan: it's interesting. 00:13:32.139 --> 00:13:35.276 It sounds like, you know it sounds like a really interesting product. 00:13:35.402 --> 00:13:40.972 But I'm it who it's right for is not that wide. 00:13:41.072 --> 00:13:41.492 Really. 00:13:41.692 --> 00:13:43.332 I think there's, there's, there's definitely cases 00:13:43.342 --> 00:13:44.612 where it really makes sense. 00:13:44.665 --> 00:13:47.712 But my first understanding was that it would, would work for a lot 00:13:47.712 --> 00:13:49.032 more people and it probably does. 00:13:49.091 --> 00:13:54.326 So it's, I think that the idea behind it is really powerful and I think there's 00:13:54.396 --> 00:13:56.726 just being able to democratize that. 00:13:57.356 --> 00:14:01.206 Down to, you know, one entity that you deal with and it's a known, fixed quantity 00:14:01.266 --> 00:14:05.486 in terms of price and just making it a very known process that you can just, 00:14:05.546 --> 00:14:07.046 you know, follow the process through. 00:14:07.105 --> 00:14:09.444 Whereas everything else feels a bit like you're kind of 00:14:09.444 --> 00:14:11.177 figuring out yourself and yeah, 00:14:11.547 --> 00:14:12.447 Mario: Yeah, Yeah. 00:14:12.447 --> 00:14:12.927 definitely. 00:14:14.037 --> 00:14:15.887 Yeah, So we'll see how, how that goes. 00:14:15.887 --> 00:14:17.331 Hopefully it doesn't take too long. 00:14:17.631 --> 00:14:21.446 And I also started working on the terms of use and privacy policy. 00:14:21.586 --> 00:14:23.246 I'm using a, a service for that too. 00:14:23.386 --> 00:14:26.058 I'm paying for, I don't know if you've heard of it. 00:14:26.083 --> 00:14:26.562 It's called 00:14:26.743 --> 00:14:27.163 iUbenda 00:14:27.398 --> 00:14:28.248 it's pretty well known. 00:14:28.453 --> 00:14:29.573 Alan: that's the one I looked at as well. 00:14:29.573 --> 00:14:33.893 Mm-hmm yeah, I was gonna use them and I think I still am. 00:14:33.914 --> 00:14:37.037 I'm using it as kind of a reference to some of the stuff, but again, because 00:14:37.077 --> 00:14:42.937 I have to be Japan first, legally I basically had to use a Japanese one and 00:14:42.937 --> 00:14:44.497 then have an English translation of that. 00:14:44.497 --> 00:14:46.207 And I'm not comfortable with that. 00:14:46.287 --> 00:14:50.979 I still there's there's questions that I don't understand the answers to where 00:14:51.059 --> 00:14:54.726 I stand on certain things, but from everything I, you know, believe I'm doing. 00:14:54.726 --> 00:14:55.006 Right. 00:14:55.094 --> 00:14:59.194 But yeah, it's again, one of those things it's just better to go with something 00:15:00.134 --> 00:15:00.424 Mario: Yeah. 00:15:00.614 --> 00:15:00.904 Yeah. 00:15:01.044 --> 00:15:04.978 At least, I mean, they're not you know, it's not, it's not like a lawyer 00:15:05.168 --> 00:15:05.512 Alan: Right. 00:15:05.573 --> 00:15:09.699 Mario: lawyer level kind of thing, but it it's at least a more guided way of, 00:15:09.772 --> 00:15:13.262 establishing something to get started with, you know, at least and it's, and 00:15:13.262 --> 00:15:18.352 it's not just, just, I'm not just doing it by myself without any sort of guidance. 00:15:18.532 --> 00:15:20.944 And so it's worth, you know, paying for the service 00:15:21.034 --> 00:15:21.914 Alan: It's not expensive. 00:15:21.954 --> 00:15:22.314 I remember. 00:15:22.834 --> 00:15:23.924 Mario: it's not that expensive. 00:15:23.944 --> 00:15:25.444 And I really like it so far. 00:15:25.514 --> 00:15:29.927 They they've really have distilled the whole, you know, terms of use and 00:15:29.927 --> 00:15:32.167 privacy policies and cookie policy and 00:15:32.357 --> 00:15:33.267 Alan: Especially, yeah. 00:15:33.327 --> 00:15:36.387 The California cookie policies are and privacy policies are quite strong. 00:15:36.997 --> 00:15:37.217 Oh. 00:15:37.217 --> 00:15:38.297 The laws are quite strong there. 00:15:38.297 --> 00:15:38.657 So yeah. 00:15:38.657 --> 00:15:41.657 Making sure that you just covered for all of those, again, especially 00:15:41.657 --> 00:15:45.417 since we're dealing with, you know, storing people's valuable information 00:15:45.437 --> 00:15:47.137 and you're recording them as well. 00:15:47.237 --> 00:15:47.977 So yeah. 00:15:47.977 --> 00:15:51.337 It's better to cover your bases and make sure you're in the right. 00:15:51.767 --> 00:15:55.167 Just cuz you don't wanna screw with this stuff, right? 00:15:56.117 --> 00:15:56.407 Mario: Yeah. 00:15:56.407 --> 00:15:56.847 exactly. 00:15:57.067 --> 00:15:59.807 The, the nature of the product is such that, you know, we're 00:16:00.437 --> 00:16:04.207 recording the likeness of people, their voices and their image. 00:16:04.267 --> 00:16:07.988 And, and so it's you know, it's, I, yeah, like you said, I don't want to get, 00:16:08.008 --> 00:16:12.565 get it wrong and, and as soon as I can, I'm gonna run it by a lawyer, but for 00:16:12.625 --> 00:16:16.999 now I'm just using the iUbenda service and I think that'll be fine for now. 00:16:16.999 --> 00:16:19.235 And it's, it's really easy to use. 00:16:19.235 --> 00:16:19.741 Very helpful. 00:16:19.763 --> 00:16:22.213 Just a lot of just point and click, 00:16:22.283 --> 00:16:22.933 Alan: yeah, exactly. 00:16:22.963 --> 00:16:25.293 It's just like knowledge based thing go through, is it, this is it. 00:16:25.293 --> 00:16:25.813 This is it. 00:16:25.813 --> 00:16:26.053 Yeah. 00:16:26.053 --> 00:16:27.213 And then it's like, here's your policies. 00:16:27.313 --> 00:16:27.813 Oh, nice. 00:16:28.393 --> 00:16:30.693 and you can just link to them directly on their site. 00:16:30.693 --> 00:16:30.853 Right. 00:16:30.853 --> 00:16:32.653 So you don't even have to worry about hosting it and things. 00:16:32.843 --> 00:16:33.133 Yeah. 00:16:33.133 --> 00:16:37.723 And then if there's any changes legally, they let you know again, it's it. 00:16:37.723 --> 00:16:38.123 It's fine. 00:16:38.183 --> 00:16:41.603 If you know where you stand right now, but things change, then it's 00:16:41.603 --> 00:16:42.923 better to be safe than sorry. 00:16:42.923 --> 00:16:43.243 Right? 00:16:43.833 --> 00:16:44.123 Mario: Yeah. 00:16:44.313 --> 00:16:44.603 Yeah. 00:16:44.623 --> 00:16:47.923 And I like that you can embed it on your site, but it's 00:16:47.923 --> 00:16:49.423 still linked to their system. 00:16:49.443 --> 00:16:53.723 So if you update anything, it just gets updated automatically on, your site. 00:16:53.823 --> 00:16:55.413 So very 00:16:55.483 --> 00:16:55.773 Alan: Nice. 00:16:55.773 --> 00:16:55.893 One. 00:16:56.473 --> 00:16:59.445 Mario: So, yeah, so that's what I've been working on and going forward 00:17:00.705 --> 00:17:04.267 for the you know, I don't know, a couple of weeks or so I'm just gonna 00:17:04.267 --> 00:17:05.947 be focusing on that sort of thing. 00:17:06.167 --> 00:17:11.651 I'm also updating the marketing website to reflect the changes in the product and 00:17:11.651 --> 00:17:13.431 all of this stuff, the terms of use and, 00:17:14.151 --> 00:17:14.441 Alan: Cool. 00:17:14.531 --> 00:17:18.976 Mario: and privacy policy and all that just gearing up to a launch soon. 00:17:19.075 --> 00:17:21.085 Also working on figuring out pricing, 00:17:21.245 --> 00:17:21.535 Alan: yeah. 00:17:21.535 --> 00:17:23.855 So what, what what's, what's your latest thinking on that? 00:17:23.855 --> 00:17:24.998 Are you, do you got any further 00:17:25.059 --> 00:17:26.309 Mario: Well, a little bit, not. 00:17:26.539 --> 00:17:27.599 Alan: is the question as well. 00:17:27.814 --> 00:17:29.954 Mario: Oh, I created an account with Paddle also. 00:17:30.012 --> 00:17:32.808 But since I don't have my business entity formed 00:17:33.048 --> 00:17:33.558 Alan: yeah, yeah, 00:17:33.788 --> 00:17:35.518 Mario: it's kind of like pending right now. 00:17:35.588 --> 00:17:39.198 It's but I, I, I was so eager to get started that I didn't wanna wait. 00:17:39.218 --> 00:17:43.154 So I created an account with them and right now it's like, you know, 00:17:43.154 --> 00:17:46.724 it's, it's halfway there cuz I don't have all the information 00:17:46.724 --> 00:17:46.804 Alan: Yeah. 00:17:46.804 --> 00:17:46.864 Yeah. 00:17:46.879 --> 00:17:48.479 They have the sandbox sandbox as well. 00:17:48.499 --> 00:17:51.919 So if you, if you really wanted to play around with the, the billing 00:17:52.129 --> 00:17:53.879 stuff, the sandbox is, is good. 00:17:54.954 --> 00:17:55.514 Mario: Hmm, nice. 00:17:55.784 --> 00:17:59.154 Alan: Have you figured out what numbers you're going to actually charge? 00:18:00.169 --> 00:18:04.220 Mario: so the numbers I don't have yet but I, have figured out that 00:18:04.265 --> 00:18:09.126 I'm not gonna have any free plans credit card up front and possibly. 00:18:10.046 --> 00:18:14.383 Well, not possibly, I will have a, at least like a seven day trial period. 00:18:14.458 --> 00:18:14.968 Alan: makes sense. 00:18:15.068 --> 00:18:15.288 Yep. 00:18:15.288 --> 00:18:18.135 Mario: might not be based on number of days like that. 00:18:18.155 --> 00:18:22.834 It might be based on a, a number of minutes that you can use the product with, 00:18:22.854 --> 00:18:25.304 you know, number of it so you can record 00:18:25.464 --> 00:18:25.584 Alan: true. 00:18:25.584 --> 00:18:27.784 I mean, you could always have like a, yeah, like a 30 00:18:27.784 --> 00:18:29.104 minute session or something, 00:18:29.554 --> 00:18:30.524 Mario: something like that. 00:18:30.794 --> 00:18:31.084 Yeah. 00:18:31.164 --> 00:18:31.724 Alan: That makes sense. 00:18:31.784 --> 00:18:36.718 Mario: So, but the only, the only problem with that is that that can extend things 00:18:36.718 --> 00:18:41.158 because if they don't use it up, they, you know, they could, it could go on for 00:18:41.898 --> 00:18:44.038 who knows how long until they use that up. 00:18:44.168 --> 00:18:44.408 Alan: I mean, 00:18:44.408 --> 00:18:47.108 Mario: but instead, if I say like, you know, seven day trial, 00:18:48.128 --> 00:18:48.342 Alan: Hmm. 00:18:48.342 --> 00:18:50.616 Mario: Then that, you know, 00:18:50.796 --> 00:18:53.246 Alan: They could record a lot of audio in seven days. 00:18:53.246 --> 00:18:56.566 So, so you kind of don't wanna, you, you wanna actually, I mean, I 00:18:56.566 --> 00:18:59.766 guess what you could do is create an additional subscription plan. 00:18:59.766 --> 00:19:04.566 That is like a limited one that is hidden from your normal subscription list. 00:19:04.586 --> 00:19:07.886 But when you join the trial drops you into that, unless they 00:19:07.946 --> 00:19:09.347 choose a higher plan, right. 00:19:10.127 --> 00:19:10.937 Something like that. 00:19:11.412 --> 00:19:12.272 Mario: So it would be like 00:19:12.358 --> 00:19:15.133 Alan: You can have trial plan effectively that is cuz Paddle. 00:19:15.353 --> 00:19:19.853 So cuz you you've got this strange thing cuz you want to, so what I'm doing is 00:19:19.873 --> 00:19:23.679 not taking credit card up front which means that my trial is out of Paddle. 00:19:23.764 --> 00:19:28.494 So it's basically just creating account and using the site just after it says, 00:19:28.514 --> 00:19:31.914 oh, so 14 days it says you can't use it anymore unless you select a plan. 00:19:31.979 --> 00:19:35.719 But you have the option on Paddle of saying what's your trial period. 00:19:35.899 --> 00:19:37.179 And you can say seven days. 00:19:37.248 --> 00:19:40.988 I'm just wondering if there's because you don't wanna switch plans either. 00:19:41.048 --> 00:19:43.108 Do you cuz that you, that would require their permission? 00:19:43.196 --> 00:19:44.266 Mario: Right, Right. 00:19:45.006 --> 00:19:49.773 So maybe what I could do is seven, seven, you know, like, like they 00:19:49.773 --> 00:19:52.660 do with cars, with a car warranty. 00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:53.250 Alan: right. 00:19:53.570 --> 00:19:53.810 okay. 00:19:54.310 --> 00:19:54.730 Refund. 00:19:54.820 --> 00:19:58.264 Mario: days or 30 minutes recording, whatever comes, whichever 00:19:58.474 --> 00:19:58.854 Alan: Oh, right. 00:19:58.854 --> 00:19:59.814 Whichever comes first. 00:19:59.844 --> 00:20:00.134 Yeah. 00:20:00.134 --> 00:20:00.414 Okay. 00:20:00.414 --> 00:20:00.934 That's true. 00:20:01.204 --> 00:20:01.494 Yeah. 00:20:01.494 --> 00:20:01.654 Yeah. 00:20:01.654 --> 00:20:03.134 Basically that, that would, that would do it. 00:20:03.134 --> 00:20:03.494 Wouldn't it. 00:20:03.514 --> 00:20:08.233 So you'd have to manage that, obviously internal yourself, but unless they yeah, 00:20:08.233 --> 00:20:11.433 because I'm trying to think the data you get back from Paddles tells you 00:20:11.433 --> 00:20:13.290 if they're in a trial period or not. 00:20:13.344 --> 00:20:18.027 But it obviously, if they subscribe to a higher yeah, because you're 00:20:18.027 --> 00:20:20.587 not gonna put the subscription plan straight away, are you right? 00:20:20.737 --> 00:20:24.610 They'll just put in a credit card, get into the trial plan. 00:20:24.633 --> 00:20:27.833 So, so actually you could do have an additional trial plan that's hidden. 00:20:27.933 --> 00:20:31.313 So when they join, they join the trial plan, which is, you know, you 00:20:31.313 --> 00:20:35.743 can track and say, okay, this is a, and then when they exceed that, 00:20:35.763 --> 00:20:38.583 you say, okay, you need to upgrade your plan to one of these other two. 00:20:39.068 --> 00:20:39.488 Mario: mm-hmm 00:20:39.843 --> 00:20:44.218 Alan: but obviously that's still a bit complicated because you they, 00:20:44.218 --> 00:20:46.858 they could abuse the system within seven days quite heavily, right. 00:20:47.713 --> 00:20:48.583 Mario: Yeah, exactly. 00:20:48.583 --> 00:20:49.453 That's the problem 00:20:49.603 --> 00:20:52.528 Alan: the, the, the easy way is don't have a trial to start off with just 00:20:52.528 --> 00:20:55.721 give you by yourself a little bit of time, rather than trying to solve this. 00:20:56.071 --> 00:21:01.001 Like before you launch launch with just same, you know, full money back, if you're 00:21:01.001 --> 00:21:03.041 not happy, you know, complete refund. 00:21:03.465 --> 00:21:07.835 And that would put that off to another day, because I think that's gonna be 00:21:07.835 --> 00:21:11.435 complicated to manage, or at least more complicated than you should be 00:21:11.435 --> 00:21:12.635 dealing with to get this thing launched. 00:21:13.635 --> 00:21:13.925 Mario: Yeah, 00:21:13.995 --> 00:21:17.175 Alan: And plus it, it, you're not even sure exactly what it should be. 00:21:17.175 --> 00:21:17.335 Right. 00:21:17.335 --> 00:21:20.775 You might say, ah, you know, maybe I can afford to give them, you know, 00:21:21.285 --> 00:21:26.175 more than 30 minutes or maybe it should be a two week period because 00:21:26.175 --> 00:21:27.535 people aren't using it straight away. 00:21:27.535 --> 00:21:29.375 They've got, you know, something planned within the future. 00:21:29.555 --> 00:21:33.695 So just forget that and just say, you know, you've gotta full money 00:21:33.695 --> 00:21:37.285 back with a, in the first month we, you know, you can just complain 00:21:37.305 --> 00:21:38.845 and we'll just full money back. 00:21:38.845 --> 00:21:40.845 You can delete their recordings, you save your space. 00:21:40.953 --> 00:21:41.803 They get their money back. 00:21:41.863 --> 00:21:42.523 No one problem. 00:21:42.583 --> 00:21:45.683 So make that clear and I think you'd save yourself a whole lot of problems. 00:21:46.603 --> 00:21:48.253 Mario: yeah, that's a good suggestion. 00:21:48.523 --> 00:21:48.813 Yeah. 00:21:49.103 --> 00:21:50.346 that's really good. 00:21:50.346 --> 00:21:51.066 Thanks for that. 00:21:51.121 --> 00:21:51.811 Alan: it's complicated. 00:21:52.411 --> 00:21:56.371 I mean, having been through this process of just writing subscription sales stuff, 00:21:56.371 --> 00:22:01.451 myself, it, it seems like, well, if people pay, then I bump their subscription and 00:22:01.451 --> 00:22:05.018 it's fine, but there's so many edge cases in terms of, you know, like you, you 00:22:05.018 --> 00:22:07.058 bill them on the same date every month. 00:22:07.058 --> 00:22:07.298 Right. 00:22:07.298 --> 00:22:10.128 You know, if they join on the eighth, then you bill them the next eighth. 00:22:10.468 --> 00:22:15.408 And just being able to knowing that this is when you bill them, this is 00:22:15.408 --> 00:22:18.808 what they're allowed to do, but then they've canceled on the 10th, which 00:22:18.808 --> 00:22:23.768 means you build them still they're within their paid period, but you have 00:22:23.768 --> 00:22:28.288 to cancel, you know, the next seventh and how much do they use of that? 00:22:28.318 --> 00:22:32.118 There's so many little things that you, you, oh God, I've gotta deal with that. 00:22:32.658 --> 00:22:37.358 and adding this complication feels like something you don't 00:22:37.358 --> 00:22:38.318 wanna deal with right now. 00:22:38.748 --> 00:22:41.048 Mario: and, and that's yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:22:41.108 --> 00:22:44.098 And that's something that you have to deal on your end, right? 00:22:44.198 --> 00:22:46.148 You have to add that logic to, to your app, 00:22:46.148 --> 00:22:49.308 Alan: I mean, yeah, because I mean, either they can use your system 00:22:49.308 --> 00:22:53.668 or they can't right in theory, but what, when can they use it too? 00:22:53.763 --> 00:22:57.364 You know, if somebody cancels it's up to you, whether they get a refund or whether 00:22:57.514 --> 00:23:00.375 they go through to the next billing period, if they're on an annual billing 00:23:00.375 --> 00:23:04.876 cycle, maybe you do, you, you, you want to cancel now and give them their money back. 00:23:04.876 --> 00:23:07.364 But again, that's, you've gotta deal with that somehow. 00:23:07.364 --> 00:23:09.924 And each one of these things is an additional bit logic 00:23:09.954 --> 00:23:11.644 that you have to keep track of. 00:23:11.644 --> 00:23:16.221 And yeah, it's, it's way more complicated than what you first think 00:23:17.236 --> 00:23:19.206 Mario: Yeah, yeah, no, I, I can 00:23:19.288 --> 00:23:22.928 Alan: This is also influencing like how I think about billing going forward in 00:23:22.928 --> 00:23:26.448 general, just because, you know, thinking, oh yeah, I'll have three price plans. 00:23:26.448 --> 00:23:27.088 That's no problem. 00:23:27.268 --> 00:23:31.088 Or I'll do metered billing and you know, you it's, every 00:23:31.088 --> 00:23:33.208 single option has complications. 00:23:33.933 --> 00:23:34.353 Mario: Mm-hmm 00:23:34.628 --> 00:23:38.008 Alan: so anything you can do to chop off an option is, is good. 00:23:39.783 --> 00:23:41.603 So that's my recommendation of the day. 00:23:41.873 --> 00:23:44.324 Mario: Yeah, no, that's, golden right there. 00:23:44.604 --> 00:23:46.084 I, I yeah, appreciate that. 00:23:46.164 --> 00:23:48.204 Alan: I mean, giving a refund is no, no big deal. 00:23:48.204 --> 00:23:48.364 Right. 00:23:48.364 --> 00:23:52.204 You just click, cancel and refund and you know, that's it, you might, even, 00:23:52.204 --> 00:23:55.896 if you take a, you know, a fee hit on the credit card you know, whatever, it's 00:23:55.896 --> 00:23:57.690 only gonna be, you know, small amount. 00:23:57.692 --> 00:24:01.422 And you know, you've already paid for the hosting, so yeah, you lose on 00:24:01.422 --> 00:24:06.862 it, but it's way easier than spending a few days or weeks coding this. 00:24:07.712 --> 00:24:08.002 Mario: yeah. 00:24:08.142 --> 00:24:11.042 And trying to figure that out and what if it's, you know, not right. 00:24:11.062 --> 00:24:15.912 And then it gets all complicated and yeah, I can get it's that's a big headache, so 00:24:16.132 --> 00:24:19.712 Alan: And again, I think you'll find most people will be like, I just, 00:24:19.832 --> 00:24:23.272 I, I mean, I, I've never asked for a refund for anything, you know, like 00:24:23.512 --> 00:24:26.352 software wise, if it's not right for me, I'll cancel and take it as a hit. 00:24:26.352 --> 00:24:27.352 Oh, I paid for it for a month. 00:24:27.382 --> 00:24:27.952 It's not right. 00:24:28.232 --> 00:24:28.912 I cancel it. 00:24:28.995 --> 00:24:32.099 You know, it's kind of just an acknowledgement that it's not working 00:24:32.159 --> 00:24:35.849 out and you know what, you, it's not like your monthly fee is gonna to be, you 00:24:35.849 --> 00:24:37.129 know, hundreds or thousands of dollars. 00:24:37.129 --> 00:24:37.449 Right. 00:24:37.869 --> 00:24:41.089 So, you know, it's, it's just the cost of doing what you do. 00:24:41.138 --> 00:24:42.478 You know, people pay for stuff, 00:24:43.198 --> 00:24:44.058 Mario: No, that sounds good. 00:24:44.208 --> 00:24:45.018 That sounds great. 00:24:45.318 --> 00:24:48.538 So it'll be no free plan credit card upfront? 00:24:48.978 --> 00:24:50.198 no real trial period. 00:24:50.388 --> 00:24:54.286 just the three I'm thinking about three plans, three tiers. 00:24:54.355 --> 00:24:57.482 I thought just two, but I think three would be good to 00:24:57.534 --> 00:24:58.768 have like that middle one. 00:24:58.768 --> 00:25:00.928 That's like the most popular right? 00:25:01.108 --> 00:25:01.328 So 00:25:01.382 --> 00:25:04.842 Alan: The unrealistic huge one, which nobody's gonna buy or if they do yay. 00:25:05.247 --> 00:25:05.537 Mario: yeah. 00:25:05.862 --> 00:25:09.002 Alan: the small one, which a bunch of people probably get, cuz they're 00:25:09.081 --> 00:25:11.721 really don't want to pay for it, but I guess I have to, and then this 00:25:11.721 --> 00:25:14.001 middle one, which hopefully like, well that sounds like a good value. 00:25:14.701 --> 00:25:14.991 Mario: Yeah. 00:25:15.021 --> 00:25:15.311 yeah. 00:25:15.311 --> 00:25:16.845 Like right down the middle, you know? 00:25:17.388 --> 00:25:21.938 I anticipate that some people that record very occasionally as well, you know, 00:25:21.938 --> 00:25:25.238 might just want something that's small, like a small tear, you know, small plan 00:25:25.358 --> 00:25:25.938 Alan: It's interesting. 00:25:25.963 --> 00:25:31.032 We related to that, and we are one of the projects I'm involved with we're 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:35.556 starting a podcast of the other people are starting a podcast, but they're using a 00:25:35.556 --> 00:25:40.702 podcast production person I guess agency but it's a person who will effectively 00:25:40.702 --> 00:25:46.075 manage the the, the, I don't wanna say technical, but the we're, our people 00:25:46.255 --> 00:25:48.515 are recording, doing the interviews. 00:25:48.735 --> 00:25:52.524 The other person is effectively doing the editing the show notes, the publishing, 00:25:52.944 --> 00:25:56.848 the and, and also set up the the, the technical stuff for the recording. 00:25:57.228 --> 00:25:57.928 So it, 00:25:58.013 --> 00:25:59.913 Mario: So they're doing all the production stuff 00:25:59.913 --> 00:26:00.003 Alan: Okay. 00:26:00.003 --> 00:26:00.668 Basically, yeah. 00:26:00.668 --> 00:26:01.828 Production, I guess that's it. 00:26:01.828 --> 00:26:06.509 But pre-production, and postproduction in terms of getting the, the recording right. 00:26:06.769 --> 00:26:11.045 And then editing it and dealing with what transistor does you know, for, in 00:26:11.045 --> 00:26:13.685 terms of publishing, you know, editing the show notes, things like that. 00:26:14.105 --> 00:26:17.173 So it's interesting that, you know, that, that, that kind of person it 00:26:17.173 --> 00:26:19.633 could be very nice plan for you, right? 00:26:19.633 --> 00:26:24.273 That's almost like that top, top tier, you know, agency plan that, you know, that 00:26:24.273 --> 00:26:27.693 they're producing multiple, but they're producing podcasts for multiple clients. 00:26:27.700 --> 00:26:29.800 And some way of effectively managing that. 00:26:30.020 --> 00:26:32.680 And, you know, they just say, here's your URL for you? 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:33.760 Here's your URL for you? 00:26:34.100 --> 00:26:36.310 You know, hit record when you're ready to start. 00:26:36.330 --> 00:26:38.830 And I, they get the, you know, they get the stuff ready sync. 00:26:39.365 --> 00:26:39.855 Mario: Exactly. 00:26:40.205 --> 00:26:40.495 Yeah. 00:26:40.550 --> 00:26:42.930 Alan: so that could be a nice, nice kind of client for you. 00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:43.090 Right. 00:26:43.090 --> 00:26:43.490 Because 00:26:43.572 --> 00:26:47.142 Mario: That, that, that would be, but it would require more 00:26:47.142 --> 00:26:49.008 features than what I have now. 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:54.195 Cuz I actually had a someone contact me about, they were interested in 00:26:54.195 --> 00:26:59.390 Fusioncast, but they wanted to have a feature that some other services 00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:03.100 have it services that are out there similar to Fusioncast and they have 00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:08.006 this I think they call it producer mode where you join as a, as a producer. 00:27:08.146 --> 00:27:12.616 And so you technically, you are part of, of the session, but You're not 00:27:12.706 --> 00:27:16.596 there, but you, you can, you can interact with people if you need to. 00:27:16.596 --> 00:27:17.759 And, and then you have options. 00:27:18.155 --> 00:27:19.009 That no one else 00:27:19.329 --> 00:27:19.549 Alan: Mm 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:20.619 Mario: as the producer, 00:27:20.889 --> 00:27:22.149 Alan: you could do the, start, the 00:27:22.149 --> 00:27:23.429 recording and things like that. 00:27:23.535 --> 00:27:25.675 You could mute people, I guess, potentially, and 00:27:25.725 --> 00:27:26.015 Mario: yeah. 00:27:26.015 --> 00:27:29.075 There's like all these little, you know, different features that the 00:27:29.355 --> 00:27:31.115 producer mode would, would have to have. 00:27:31.175 --> 00:27:35.355 I'm not sure exactly how, you know, like what, what it entails. 00:27:35.355 --> 00:27:38.125 Cause I haven't really looked into it cuz that's something for this future. 00:27:38.192 --> 00:27:40.752 I, I, you know, I, I'm not, I'm trying not to 00:27:40.867 --> 00:27:41.967 Alan: No, I know 00:27:42.072 --> 00:27:44.752 Mario: that stuff now, so, so yeah. 00:27:44.812 --> 00:27:46.912 So I've, I've I agree with you. 00:27:47.022 --> 00:27:49.653 That would be a really good channel right there. 00:27:49.653 --> 00:27:50.208 That kind of 00:27:50.208 --> 00:27:53.273 Alan: cause the, I mean, just, you know, from everything that I'm, you 00:27:53.273 --> 00:27:56.193 know, hearing in the feedback we're getting from just talking to people 00:27:56.193 --> 00:28:00.263 about out this, it's, it's really kicking off just in terms of the 00:28:00.263 --> 00:28:01.423 number of people that are wanting. 00:28:01.663 --> 00:28:04.423 I mean, you know, I, you, you think, oh my God, there's too many 00:28:04.423 --> 00:28:06.063 podcasts it's already over saturated. 00:28:06.063 --> 00:28:08.703 And then you realize the amount of people that are wanting to get into it. 00:28:08.764 --> 00:28:14.329 And, and interestingly, you know, pay for them to be made, you know, the, the actual 00:28:14.329 --> 00:28:19.159 podcast production service, this industry seems to be really growing rapidly. 00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:22.184 So, you know, that's definitely a good. 00:28:23.004 --> 00:28:25.094 Potential future think. 00:28:25.224 --> 00:28:25.574 Right. 00:28:26.399 --> 00:28:26.689 Mario: yeah, 00:28:26.994 --> 00:28:28.934 Alan: and I, I don't think, you know what you've got. 00:28:28.934 --> 00:28:31.334 I don't think there's, there's crazy amount, you know, even the, 00:28:31.394 --> 00:28:33.974 for a first version, you wouldn't have to add all of that at first. 00:28:34.044 --> 00:28:37.534 It's just a case of like, somebody sets it up and gets the recordings back. 00:28:37.534 --> 00:28:37.774 Right. 00:28:37.858 --> 00:28:39.698 A lot of the time they, they're not gonna be present because, 00:28:39.798 --> 00:28:42.138 you know, they're, they just get the files back when they're done. 00:28:42.212 --> 00:28:45.890 But definitely that's, that'd be nice because you've got the feature to 00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:47.570 have multiple podcasts for yourself. 00:28:47.570 --> 00:28:47.810 Right. 00:28:47.830 --> 00:28:49.210 So you can create multiple. 00:28:49.270 --> 00:28:51.530 So you already got a lot of those features already. 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:51.850 So 00:28:52.395 --> 00:28:57.015 Mario: And the, the team's feature is, is there underneath, 00:28:57.330 --> 00:28:58.690 Alan: remember we talked about that. 00:28:59.220 --> 00:28:59.510 Mario: Yeah. 00:28:59.510 --> 00:29:00.230 With, with that. 00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:04.830 in mind, it's just, I need to surface it at some point and, and tie all the 00:29:04.830 --> 00:29:09.464 loose ends and make it all, you know just wire it up the bones are there, 00:29:09.484 --> 00:29:10.784 you know, under, under the hood. 00:29:10.804 --> 00:29:16.357 So yeah, I can't wait to get to that, point cuz that's something that nobody 00:29:16.557 --> 00:29:17.277 Alan: know what you have to do. 00:29:17.277 --> 00:29:19.357 You have to launch version one first. 00:29:20.507 --> 00:29:20.827 Mario: I know 00:29:21.867 --> 00:29:25.277 Alan: this is, this is my, my segment for harassing you about launching, right. 00:29:27.307 --> 00:29:28.407 Mario: I'm trying to get there. 00:29:28.477 --> 00:29:28.837 Alan: I know 00:29:29.307 --> 00:29:33.007 Mario: no, but I, I am feeling pretty confident now and, and I'm pretty 00:29:33.007 --> 00:29:38.905 happy with how it's working and, I I think it's mature enough that 00:29:39.025 --> 00:29:40.883 I can feel confident launching and 00:29:40.943 --> 00:29:41.143 Alan: should. 00:29:41.253 --> 00:29:42.463 It's it's really good. 00:29:42.563 --> 00:29:43.493 You know, it's It's ready. 00:29:43.793 --> 00:29:48.203 It's just, you gotta get that past, that final, you know, finishing line now. 00:29:49.143 --> 00:29:51.123 and then that's a rather the starting line 00:29:52.083 --> 00:29:52.693 Mario: yeah, right. 00:29:53.283 --> 00:29:57.173 hopefully it's it scales that's, that's the next thing that I need to, 00:29:57.343 --> 00:29:57.633 Alan: well, 00:29:57.763 --> 00:30:02.073 Mario: that I need to get a, a proof of that, the product performing at scale. 00:30:02.233 --> 00:30:04.333 And, I can't do that unless I launch 00:30:04.333 --> 00:30:04.493 Alan: users. 00:30:04.643 --> 00:30:05.373 Yeah, exactly. 00:30:05.373 --> 00:30:06.613 Mario: a lot of users using it. 00:30:06.613 --> 00:30:06.853 Right. 00:30:06.953 --> 00:30:11.183 So it's like a catch 22 there, but also I well I think that's it. 00:30:11.513 --> 00:30:12.973 I'm gonna leave the rest for the next time. 00:30:13.033 --> 00:30:15.053 So that to give you a chance to share and 00:30:16.862 --> 00:30:19.880 Alan: the big thing here was I mentioned last time that I was 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.670 building a, an iOS slash Android app. 00:30:22.890 --> 00:30:24.870 That's just, you know, a wrapper around the application. 00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:28.493 So I published the Android version and the client has 00:30:28.933 --> 00:30:30.463 downloaded it and playing with it. 00:30:30.483 --> 00:30:34.843 So it, up until now, it was on the Android internal test system which 00:30:34.903 --> 00:30:38.323 was a bit confusing to get set up just because I've never touched the. 00:30:39.053 --> 00:30:42.933 I don't know, Android at all, and I know the place to process even less. 00:30:43.053 --> 00:30:44.527 But it was very straightforward. 00:30:44.582 --> 00:30:48.632 Once I kind of figured it out the, and a whole lot less 00:30:48.633 --> 00:30:51.353 complicated than the iOS system. 00:30:51.353 --> 00:30:52.033 That's for sure. 00:30:52.152 --> 00:30:59.362 In terms of just being able to, you know, for, for getting the approval process for 00:30:59.502 --> 00:31:03.390 Google took like two days I forgot to give them a completely forgot to give 'em a 00:31:03.390 --> 00:31:04.970 login for this so that they could test it. 00:31:05.041 --> 00:31:08.901 But when it was like, oh yeah, I completely forgot to enter that. 00:31:09.001 --> 00:31:09.701 Filled it in. 00:31:09.841 --> 00:31:11.181 And it was like three hours later. 00:31:11.181 --> 00:31:11.781 It got approved. 00:31:12.281 --> 00:31:16.691 So yeah, compared to our iOS, which I've waited weeks for in the past 00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:20.535 It was very easy and just, you know, publishing updates just, you 00:31:20.535 --> 00:31:23.175 know, editing the notes, being able to add translations for the notes. 00:31:23.235 --> 00:31:26.815 The interface is, is very googlely, but it's very understandable. 00:31:26.882 --> 00:31:29.127 And yeah, it's, it's seems fine. 00:31:29.507 --> 00:31:32.879 So I'm kind of cheating on using expo for, because it's react native. 00:31:32.879 --> 00:31:37.770 An expo gives you a bunch of like, Build tools and freebies out the box. 00:31:37.770 --> 00:31:41.812 And it just because I'm not really pushing the app, it's nothing complicated. 00:31:41.962 --> 00:31:45.179 It's, you know, it's literally a wraper around a web view that just checks. 00:31:45.179 --> 00:31:48.243 If you've got network, you know, does a splash screen intercepts URLs, 00:31:48.243 --> 00:31:51.923 if it needs to open into a browser or open within the application. 00:31:52.103 --> 00:31:54.473 So the there's a few, you know, things that it just checks for, 00:31:54.473 --> 00:31:56.033 but it's, it's really simple. 00:31:56.253 --> 00:32:00.233 But the key for the client is that it gives them an application icon 00:32:00.493 --> 00:32:04.793 and a thing to tell a staff to say, go and download DotPlan from the 00:32:04.793 --> 00:32:06.185 app store or play store, sorry. 00:32:06.231 --> 00:32:08.491 And use your mobile login and that's it. 00:32:08.511 --> 00:32:10.031 So they can do their timecard stuff. 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:11.509 Everything like, like that, it. 00:32:11.570 --> 00:32:12.860 That that was their key thing. 00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:16.500 It's like, you know, we can't spend time explaining to people 00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:18.420 how to do this on their phone. 00:32:18.490 --> 00:32:20.820 They just need to, you know, go and download it. 00:32:20.820 --> 00:32:21.860 They know how to install apps. 00:32:22.050 --> 00:32:25.340 They don't know how to deal with, you know, PWAs or anything like that. 00:32:25.340 --> 00:32:26.420 That's just confusing for them. 00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:31.000 So I can understand that, you know, in theory this should just be a PWA, right. 00:32:31.071 --> 00:32:35.131 It should just be an, a webpage that they can install on their phone, but the, 00:32:35.551 --> 00:32:41.531 you know, we know that you can do that and we know the process and most people 00:32:41.621 --> 00:32:43.491 don't, and it's still confusing for them. 00:32:43.551 --> 00:32:47.331 So just being able to tell their staff to go and download it from the app store. 00:32:48.086 --> 00:32:49.106 No problem, they can do that. 00:32:49.227 --> 00:32:53.527 So that required a few interesting things like, you know, making a, I made 00:32:53.607 --> 00:32:58.661 a different sign up a sign in screen set of signing screens for the mobile app. 00:32:58.661 --> 00:33:00.301 Just so it, it formatted better. 00:33:00.301 --> 00:33:03.821 It gives like an intro page, you know, you click through and the, it it's, 00:33:03.931 --> 00:33:06.181 it's less web and more app looking. 00:33:06.196 --> 00:33:11.269 So I did that, but yeah, that, that kind of went reasonably smoothly so far. 00:33:11.284 --> 00:33:14.174 There's, there's a few things I want to improve with the app, but it's 00:33:14.304 --> 00:33:17.654 rechecking for when your network comes back, it doesn't do very well. 00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:17.918 Mario: Mm. 00:33:18.188 --> 00:33:18.478 Okay. 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.826 Alan: I need to, you know, relook at it things like 00:33:20.884 --> 00:33:23.679 Mario: And do you mean like when the, device goes to 00:33:23.679 --> 00:33:24.519 sleep or something like that. 00:33:24.694 --> 00:33:24.984 Alan: Yeah. 00:33:24.984 --> 00:33:27.904 Basically, if you lose your network and then network comes back, the 00:33:27.904 --> 00:33:29.064 app goes, oh, there's no network. 00:33:29.204 --> 00:33:32.434 And then when the app network comes back, it's like, Still no network. 00:33:32.454 --> 00:33:33.914 And you're like, no, you've gotta, you've got network. 00:33:34.054 --> 00:33:35.234 Now do something. 00:33:35.234 --> 00:33:35.394 Right. 00:33:35.454 --> 00:33:39.114 So I think my code checking the network availability it needs. 00:33:39.594 --> 00:33:43.314 I need to debug that, but I mean, it works 99% of the time. 00:33:43.314 --> 00:33:45.754 It's just a few cases where things got a bit weird. 00:33:45.827 --> 00:33:47.767 So just edge cases I need to fix. 00:33:47.835 --> 00:33:51.175 But the fact that's it's working and, you know, they could, you 00:33:51.175 --> 00:33:52.725 know, do this for that client. 00:33:52.905 --> 00:33:53.805 It it's good start. 00:33:53.825 --> 00:33:55.341 So that was an interesting process. 00:33:55.384 --> 00:34:00.176 And I added a it was also kind of a request from them, but 00:34:00.176 --> 00:34:01.656 something I intended to do anyway. 00:34:01.778 --> 00:34:05.835 So it was like just meant it got bumped up the the priority list a little bit which 00:34:05.895 --> 00:34:10.793 is when you log ti, this, this is related to the time tracking feature of it. 00:34:10.857 --> 00:34:12.437 It gives you, you know, your. 00:34:13.147 --> 00:34:16.377 Timecards a list of all of the times you've checked in and checked out. 00:34:16.377 --> 00:34:20.066 But also now gives an overview of how many hours per project you 00:34:20.066 --> 00:34:22.959 were checked in on which, because of the way they're using it. 00:34:23.080 --> 00:34:24.800 And just in general, it's, it's interesting. 00:34:24.861 --> 00:34:26.151 It's, it's both interesting. 00:34:26.171 --> 00:34:30.341 And to some clients essential to know those numbers straight off, right? 00:34:30.361 --> 00:34:34.131 So whenever you see timecards or however you filter them, if you filter them by 00:34:34.131 --> 00:34:39.039 project or by user or by, you know, date range, however it'll show the total hours 00:34:39.219 --> 00:34:43.343 per project and the total hours total for all of those, both on the, on the web. 00:34:43.343 --> 00:34:46.267 And then if you export to Excel, it includes on, on there as well. 00:34:46.287 --> 00:34:47.686 So, so that was it. 00:34:48.311 --> 00:34:51.521 It's one of those things that, yeah, it's obvious and it should be there, 00:34:51.581 --> 00:34:55.681 but, you know, I haven't done it but it's also one of those things that 00:34:55.871 --> 00:34:58.021 it's, so I'm using Elixir for this. 00:34:58.041 --> 00:34:58.241 Right. 00:34:58.241 --> 00:35:02.761 And you know, I, I'm not super experienced at Elixir it's I, I 00:35:02.761 --> 00:35:06.241 started Elixir or even function functional programming in general, 00:35:06.941 --> 00:35:08.441 you know, I've done Ruby for so long. 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.389 Using Elixir was like, oh, this looks similar. 00:35:11.659 --> 00:35:14.349 It's just a little bit different and then, you know, 00:35:14.729 --> 00:35:15.989 for normal stuff, it is right. 00:35:16.080 --> 00:35:19.560 Normal, just, you know, putting stuff from the database and putting on the 00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:20.680 web page, you know, just general stuff 00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:21.740 Mario: It's just basic CRUD stuff 00:35:21.740 --> 00:35:22.090 Alan: Yeah, exactly. 00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:24.210 That that's, you know, it kinda looks very Ruby. 00:35:24.318 --> 00:35:28.152 Then certain things like just being able to and how I deal with this, you 00:35:28.152 --> 00:35:29.152 know, I've got all of these things. 00:35:29.193 --> 00:35:32.841 I pull 'em in all, in, all in, from the database anyway in order to put them on 00:35:32.841 --> 00:35:36.713 the screen how do I kind of calculate totals and, you know, reduce these and, 00:35:36.773 --> 00:35:41.497 you know, map, reduce stuff and things just for creating values out of this data. 00:35:41.549 --> 00:35:46.299 Again, in Ruby, I, I know how to do it, but just thinking slightly differently, 00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:49.773 functionally it, it was, you know, it's always a good learning experience, so 00:35:49.923 --> 00:35:54.173 it's kind of like, ah, you know, I have to learn something new, which is always fun. 00:35:54.217 --> 00:35:59.344 So I, I kind of feel my Elixir-ism getting are just being able to do idiomatic, 00:35:59.481 --> 00:36:03.997 Elixir getting better all the time, just cuz it's I'm, I'm kind of outside of 00:36:04.057 --> 00:36:08.757 the putting stuff on a page there's, you know, especially when creating these Excel 00:36:08.757 --> 00:36:11.557 sheets for, you know, for the, the export. 00:36:12.492 --> 00:36:15.782 It's like, just like here's load of data, you know, trying to transform it 00:36:15.782 --> 00:36:17.462 and kind of map it to different things. 00:36:17.612 --> 00:36:21.017 It's it's straightforward enough, but it's stuff I hadn't done before in Elixir. 00:36:21.017 --> 00:36:24.641 So it was it is interesting and a good, good experience to learn that. 00:36:24.693 --> 00:36:29.433 So yeah, that's, that's been keeping me busy I really is really nice. 00:36:29.633 --> 00:36:35.170 I it it's cuz I said before my, my normal, the paying day job is Ruby. 00:36:35.266 --> 00:36:37.995 And feels so lightweight. 00:36:38.059 --> 00:36:41.018 When, after doing a day of Ruby, you know, spending a few hours 00:36:41.428 --> 00:36:45.009 doing both LiveView and Elixir, it just feels so easy to do things. 00:36:45.009 --> 00:36:48.129 And I mean, the, the ridiculous thing is Ruby's, you know, especially Rails 00:36:48.129 --> 00:36:51.049 has this reputation for just being able to do things really quickly. 00:36:51.049 --> 00:36:51.329 Right. 00:36:51.329 --> 00:36:53.289 You know, it's got so much functionality baked in. 00:36:53.370 --> 00:36:59.750 But I now find myself being able to do it in Elixir quicker and with less fuss. 00:36:59.767 --> 00:37:03.310 Even though there's much less of it, you know, there's less framework, 00:37:03.310 --> 00:37:04.830 there's less language features. 00:37:04.916 --> 00:37:07.740 It still feels like it's just lighter. 00:37:07.763 --> 00:37:09.365 So I'm really, really enjoying it. 00:37:09.385 --> 00:37:12.965 And I'm glad I chose to, to use Elixir and Phoenix for this 00:37:13.075 --> 00:37:13.967 it's it's the right choice. 00:37:14.897 --> 00:37:15.517 Mario: that's awesome. 00:37:15.987 --> 00:37:16.277 Yeah. 00:37:16.547 --> 00:37:17.437 Yeah, for sure. 00:37:18.107 --> 00:37:18.397 Yeah. 00:37:18.617 --> 00:37:23.018 One of my criteria is when I decide to work on, any project is whether 00:37:23.158 --> 00:37:26.538 I'm gonna be learning something new, you know, and, and you know, how they, 00:37:26.828 --> 00:37:31.128 the advice, the general advice is that you should stick to what you know, and 00:37:31.128 --> 00:37:34.806 the stack that, you know, because that that's gonna help you, get there faster 00:37:35.026 --> 00:37:38.031 and, and so on, which is totally valid. 00:37:38.091 --> 00:37:43.047 And I, agree a hundred percent, but at the same time it's good to learn new things. 00:37:43.307 --> 00:37:46.807 So if there's any possibility to learn something new, right? 00:37:46.997 --> 00:37:48.056 It's it's even better. 00:37:48.116 --> 00:37:48.996 Alan: I mean, yeah, totally. 00:37:49.156 --> 00:37:53.386 I mean, you know, in, by every single, you know, bit of advice be 00:37:53.386 --> 00:37:55.746 that I should not have done this in Elixir and LiveView, right. 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.050 Just because, you know, I know Rails so well. 00:37:58.166 --> 00:38:01.506 And I, especially, you know, Rails recently has, you know, had some 00:38:01.506 --> 00:38:04.364 pretty interesting improvements with their what do they call it? 00:38:04.364 --> 00:38:05.084 Hot wire stuff. 00:38:05.145 --> 00:38:08.081 So, you know, enable to be doing more interactive pages and things, 00:38:08.381 --> 00:38:14.591 but I just find the, the model of live view to be better for what I, 00:38:14.591 --> 00:38:16.031 you know, how I expect it to work. 00:38:16.040 --> 00:38:17.771 And just the end result feels better to me. 00:38:17.885 --> 00:38:18.745 And it's it. 00:38:19.710 --> 00:38:22.510 I, I still, you know, rails pays my rent 00:38:23.515 --> 00:38:23.805 Mario: Yeah, 00:38:23.810 --> 00:38:25.750 Alan: and has done for a very, very long time. 00:38:25.770 --> 00:38:27.136 So I'm not dinging it at all. 00:38:27.136 --> 00:38:27.582 Mario: Yeah, yeah. 00:38:27.642 --> 00:38:27.862 No. 00:38:28.037 --> 00:38:31.577 Alan: for, and again, my, my choice for the client, it was, it was up to me. 00:38:31.655 --> 00:38:35.228 But for the client, there's, there's no way I would push Elixir on them 00:38:35.228 --> 00:38:39.778 just because I it's still, you know, there's not many people know it. 00:38:39.778 --> 00:38:39.978 Right. 00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:44.723 And knowing that we would essentially have to employ others for short periods 00:38:44.723 --> 00:38:49.163 of time, you know, get freelancers on it, get contracts on it, knowing that that 00:38:49.163 --> 00:38:50.912 was a prerequisite, there's no way I'd. 00:38:50.912 --> 00:38:53.883 And especially since I didn't know it well either , it'd be like, Hey, 00:38:53.883 --> 00:38:56.572 let's do this thing that none of us know that's probably not a good idea. 00:38:56.661 --> 00:39:00.081 So absolutely in theory, I should have just stuck with 00:39:00.091 --> 00:39:01.840 rails, but I'm glad I didn't and 00:39:02.220 --> 00:39:02.510 Mario: yeah. 00:39:02.530 --> 00:39:05.273 But then you wouldn't know of that, that you now know, 00:39:05.303 --> 00:39:06.823 Alan: I mean, yeah, this is how I learn. 00:39:06.823 --> 00:39:07.023 Right. 00:39:07.043 --> 00:39:12.823 And this is how I maintain some form of sanity working in this business, right. 00:39:12.923 --> 00:39:15.463 Is by, by learning and doing new stuff. 00:39:15.483 --> 00:39:18.213 If I was just doing the same thing every day, I'd go crazy 00:39:18.213 --> 00:39:21.671 Mario: It just gets boring and unmotivating, Right. 00:39:21.791 --> 00:39:26.121 Alan: And, you know, I enjoy the, the, the constant of being outta my depth. 00:39:26.121 --> 00:39:26.421 Right. 00:39:26.467 --> 00:39:31.767 You know, which feels like every day, I'm like, what I'm doing. 00:39:31.847 --> 00:39:31.987 Mario: Yeah. 00:39:32.307 --> 00:39:33.057 Tell me about it. 00:39:34.177 --> 00:39:34.857 building this thing. 00:39:34.967 --> 00:39:36.777 It's it's been like, oh man. 00:39:37.327 --> 00:39:41.897 Sometimes I, if I had known how challenging it was gonna be, I 00:39:42.097 --> 00:39:46.097 probably would've never started, but it started as a, as a little experiment. 00:39:46.117 --> 00:39:49.087 Oh, let me see if I can get video camera on the browser. 00:39:50.027 --> 00:39:51.127 And it was like, oh cool. 00:39:51.247 --> 00:39:55.367 I get the, the camera video on the browser looks great. 00:39:56.427 --> 00:39:57.227 Alan: I remember when you 00:39:57.227 --> 00:39:58.007 Mario: all the million 00:39:58.307 --> 00:40:00.667 Alan: I was like, oh, add all projects, which, you know, you 00:40:00.667 --> 00:40:07.257 could have chose, you picked a real problem, difficult one yeah. 00:40:07.697 --> 00:40:11.537 I mean, it's again, in hindsight, you know, I, I think we've said before, you 00:40:11.537 --> 00:40:13.697 know, my project, I, I it's aimed too big. 00:40:13.887 --> 00:40:19.097 It's, it's difficult to compete with, you know, that type of product in that 00:40:19.097 --> 00:40:22.817 scale of a, you know, that position is kind of difficult to aim for when you're, 00:40:22.837 --> 00:40:25.607 you know, it we're a single person. 00:40:25.607 --> 00:40:25.927 Right. 00:40:25.947 --> 00:40:28.787 You know, as opposed to selling to a a more niche or smaller 00:40:28.822 --> 00:40:31.522 crowd it's, it's much easier to be much more easier to be targeted. 00:40:31.522 --> 00:40:35.975 But Hey, you know, you live and learn and it's, it's all learning experience. 00:40:36.295 --> 00:40:39.055 I, I, I find it difficult to just accept somebody else's. 00:40:39.835 --> 00:40:42.755 Tellings teachings, you know, just, oh yeah. 00:40:42.755 --> 00:40:42.995 Okay. 00:40:42.995 --> 00:40:44.155 They said this, I should do that. 00:40:44.195 --> 00:40:45.195 I, that doesn't work for me. 00:40:45.255 --> 00:40:49.995 I'd rather, you know, suffer through it and learn how just 00:40:50.295 --> 00:40:52.035 the pains by doing it myself. 00:40:52.095 --> 00:40:53.955 And it's, I mean, same with coding. 00:40:53.955 --> 00:40:54.235 Right. 00:40:54.235 --> 00:40:58.431 You know, I could read a a million, you know, textbooks or examples, and 00:40:58.941 --> 00:41:01.001 then the first line of code you write, 00:41:01.001 --> 00:41:05.381 you're like, I don't, you know, I don't feel comfortable with this, but by 00:41:05.971 --> 00:41:10.081 suffering and basically figuring it all out yourself by building a project. 00:41:10.125 --> 00:41:14.365 I, you know, you, you're constantly pushing yourself and learning, and I 00:41:14.365 --> 00:41:16.325 say, that's what keeps me somewhat sane. 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:17.770 Mario: Yeah, 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:18.330 exactly. 00:41:18.590 --> 00:41:23.719 And, and the other thing is these projects if they're not the main thing that you 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.539 are hoping to make a living out of at least for now, if it it's a side project, 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:32.577 so there can be an opportunity to learn something new because you don't yeah, 00:41:32.577 --> 00:41:36.207 you want to get there as soon as you can, or, you know, use the stack that, you 00:41:36.207 --> 00:41:38.247 know, so that you can get there faster. 00:41:38.427 --> 00:41:40.797 But you have your own, your main job. 00:41:40.817 --> 00:41:42.277 And then this is just a side project. 00:41:42.497 --> 00:41:45.227 And you wanna be learning your stuff at the same time then? 00:41:45.367 --> 00:41:45.787 Why not? 00:41:46.007 --> 00:41:46.227 You 00:41:46.227 --> 00:41:49.067 Alan: I mean, if it was a case, if I didn't have any other source of income 00:41:49.067 --> 00:41:53.347 and I needed to start earning money next week, desperately, then I might 00:41:53.347 --> 00:41:54.427 have thought differently about it. 00:41:54.427 --> 00:41:54.667 Right. 00:41:55.287 --> 00:41:56.197 Mario: Yeah, exactly. 00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:59.840 Alan: But at the same time, you know, that's again, I probably wouldn't be 00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:01.840 building a SaaS, if that was my problem. 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:02.160 Right. 00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:06.200 Just because the, the ramp up speed is much, you know, it be have 00:42:06.200 --> 00:42:07.680 to be something I can sell now. 00:42:07.680 --> 00:42:07.960 Right. 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.000 Rather than, yeah. 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:09.600 I've gotta build it. 00:42:10.450 --> 00:42:10.740 Mario: yeah. 00:42:10.970 --> 00:42:11.260 Yeah. 00:42:11.370 --> 00:42:13.820 More like a, an info product or something like that. 00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:14.540 Yeah. 00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:18.233 Alan: But again, so it's but you know, it's a learning process and , I'm glad I 00:42:18.233 --> 00:42:24.128 did it the way I did some kind of . Oh, so the one thing I've gotta do this week 00:42:24.148 --> 00:42:28.703 is I mentioned the, the co-working space rather the startup hub that I've I'm a 00:42:28.703 --> 00:42:33.470 member of they want to record a me doing a pitch for my product, like a 10 minute 00:42:33.640 --> 00:42:37.929 pitch that they can send to companies that we can work through together. 00:42:37.989 --> 00:42:42.355 So that they've obviously have affiliated our have contacts within huge number of 00:42:42.355 --> 00:42:46.235 companies in the city so they're like, okay, if you can record a pitch you know, 00:42:46.255 --> 00:42:48.653 we can put some titles on for Japanese. 00:42:49.528 --> 00:42:50.933 I've got Japanese slides as well. 00:42:50.933 --> 00:42:53.646 They want to send it to, we can pick like 10 companies that 00:42:53.646 --> 00:42:54.989 we can start to approach with. 00:42:54.989 --> 00:42:57.282 And so they, they want me to record that this week. 00:42:57.342 --> 00:43:00.602 So I have to have to put my pitch head on again, 00:43:01.887 --> 00:43:02.177 , Mario: Nice. 00:43:02.462 --> 00:43:05.422 Alan: only to a video, but it's still, it's kind of just getting 00:43:05.482 --> 00:43:06.862 in that frame of mind of like 00:43:06.924 --> 00:43:07.367 Mario: oh, yeah, 00:43:07.962 --> 00:43:08.972 Alan: it's have to 00:43:11.147 --> 00:43:11.917 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:43:12.132 --> 00:43:13.139 Alan: that mindset again. 00:43:14.024 --> 00:43:14.244 Mario: Yep. 00:43:14.474 --> 00:43:14.764 Yeah. 00:43:15.144 --> 00:43:16.794 And how long, how long is this supposed to be 00:43:16.794 --> 00:43:17.164 Alan: 10 minutes. 00:43:17.784 --> 00:43:18.124 Mario: 10 minutes. 00:43:18.234 --> 00:43:18.524 Okay. 00:43:18.859 --> 00:43:22.763 Alan: So not too bad, but especially since I know the kind of customers, 00:43:22.963 --> 00:43:26.363 I mean, you know, that they want to, to go through with me, for us 00:43:26.363 --> 00:43:28.543 to pick who we want to send it to. 00:43:28.543 --> 00:43:31.610 You know, I can kind of tailor the picture a little bit towards those. 00:43:31.626 --> 00:43:33.856 Again, you know, they'll be Japanese companies, so I know which 00:43:34.526 --> 00:43:37.816 aspects of my product work better for them than internationally. 00:43:37.876 --> 00:43:41.948 So I'm gonna try and you know, shape it into something that, that works for them. 00:43:42.728 --> 00:43:45.268 So that's my, my task this week as well. 00:43:46.523 --> 00:43:46.813 Mario: Nice. 00:43:47.083 --> 00:43:47.373 Nice. 00:43:48.273 --> 00:43:52.408 And would you, I guess you could qualify that as kind of 00:43:53.243 --> 00:43:53.933 Alan: It's marketing. 00:43:53.933 --> 00:43:54.573 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:43:54.573 --> 00:43:54.773 Right. 00:43:55.003 --> 00:43:56.133 It's sales marketing. 00:43:56.358 --> 00:43:56.648 Mario: Yeah. 00:43:56.838 --> 00:43:57.128 Yeah. 00:43:57.128 --> 00:43:57.568 There you go. 00:43:58.228 --> 00:43:58.648 That's 00:43:58.913 --> 00:43:59.973 Alan: You go do something 00:44:00.978 --> 00:44:01.268 Mario: Yeah. 00:44:01.578 --> 00:44:06.558 Well, I was gonna ask you if you've had a chance to do more in that 00:44:06.873 --> 00:44:07.223 Alan: sadly. 00:44:07.223 --> 00:44:07.383 No. 00:44:07.653 --> 00:44:11.091 Yeah, that, that was just getting this, this Android app out to 00:44:11.221 --> 00:44:13.041 is, was kind of priority there. 00:44:13.101 --> 00:44:16.441 And these other changes just cuz they're, they're switching over 00:44:16.441 --> 00:44:20.481 from their existing systems to this for the time tracking stuff. 00:44:20.597 --> 00:44:20.887 Like. 00:44:21.607 --> 00:44:22.137 Very soon. 00:44:22.277 --> 00:44:24.550 So it was like, okay, I wanna make sure that they that 00:44:24.550 --> 00:44:25.630 they don't have any problems. 00:44:26.050 --> 00:44:28.870 So that was the immediate priority for them. 00:44:29.690 --> 00:44:30.310 but that's done. 00:44:30.330 --> 00:44:33.630 So now I can switch to marketing mode for a little bit. 00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:34.110 Maybe 00:44:35.225 --> 00:44:35.515 Mario: Yeah. 00:44:35.745 --> 00:44:36.035 Nice. 00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:36.400 Alan: to 00:44:37.625 --> 00:44:37.915 Mario: Yeah. 00:44:38.825 --> 00:44:39.115 Cool. 00:44:39.455 --> 00:44:40.035 That's awesome. 00:44:40.665 --> 00:44:45.092 Well, good luck with your presentation and yeah, I'm sure you'll, you'll be good. 00:44:45.272 --> 00:44:45.692 You'll 00:44:46.677 --> 00:44:46.967 Alan: I'll 00:44:46.972 --> 00:44:47.692 Mario: it out of the park. 00:44:47.952 --> 00:44:48.242 Yeah. 00:44:49.167 --> 00:44:52.421 Alan: I dunno, I it's I enjoy doing it, but it it's still I, I dunno. 00:44:52.421 --> 00:44:55.544 It's like anything, you know, you whenever you do something yourself and 00:44:55.544 --> 00:44:58.444 you try and compare it to other people, it's like, oh God, I'm so bad at this. 00:44:58.509 --> 00:45:02.599 You know, especially public speaking, I enjoy it, but I, I don't know how 00:45:03.109 --> 00:45:06.431 it's really difficult to measure yourself against how other people do it. 00:45:06.458 --> 00:45:09.438 But I'll do my best and it's, it's, it's kind of fun to 00:45:09.438 --> 00:45:10.948 do, so we'll see how it goes 00:45:10.948 --> 00:45:11.408 Mario: yeah, yeah. 00:45:12.108 --> 00:45:12.848 You'll be fine. 00:45:13.108 --> 00:45:13.528 Alan: oh yeah. 00:45:13.788 --> 00:45:14.608 Mario: saw the other one you. 00:45:14.608 --> 00:45:16.427 did the other day and I mean a while 00:45:16.442 --> 00:45:16.732 Alan: Yeah. 00:45:17.727 --> 00:45:18.387 Mario: and it was good. 00:45:18.607 --> 00:45:19.107 It was good. 00:45:19.697 --> 00:45:19.987 Yeah. 00:45:21.112 --> 00:45:24.692 Alan: So let's see, has that need just arrange your time this week 00:45:24.692 --> 00:45:26.492 for that, but that's about it. 00:45:27.237 --> 00:45:27.527 Mario: Cool. 00:45:28.947 --> 00:45:29.287 All right. 00:45:29.777 --> 00:45:31.149 So should we wrap it up here? 00:45:31.329 --> 00:45:32.189 Do you have anything else? 00:45:32.264 --> 00:45:32.484 Alan: Yep. 00:45:32.484 --> 00:45:33.164 Think that's me. 00:45:33.737 --> 00:45:34.837 Mario: All right, cool. 00:45:34.936 --> 00:45:36.408 we'll see you in a couple of weeks 00:45:36.883 --> 00:45:37.103 Alan: Yes. 00:45:37.363 --> 00:45:37.899 And yeah. 00:45:37.899 --> 00:45:40.049 I want to hear all about how your launch went. 00:45:41.064 --> 00:45:42.554 Mario: yeah, I, I know, right. 00:45:43.554 --> 00:45:44.034 I hope 00:45:45.469 --> 00:45:47.923 Alan: you're gonna surprise me one day and say actually, yeah. 00:45:47.974 --> 00:45:48.264 Mario: Yeah. 00:45:48.374 --> 00:45:51.914 hopefully I have the, the business entity formed by then. 00:45:52.074 --> 00:45:52.734 Alan: Yes, exactly. 00:45:53.614 --> 00:45:56.764 Mario: Sorry, trying to keep my dog from making too much noise here. 00:45:56.764 --> 00:45:59.454 he's like getting restless 00:45:59.454 --> 00:46:01.764 Alan: Yeah, I was gonna say he is like, stop talking, play with me. 00:46:02.344 --> 00:46:02.634 Mario: Yeah. 00:46:02.944 --> 00:46:03.234 Yeah. 00:46:03.934 --> 00:46:06.724 Alan: well, I think that's, that's a good good reason to, to finish that. 00:46:08.044 --> 00:46:08.424 Mario: All right. 00:46:09.984 --> 00:46:10.274 Yeah. 00:46:10.624 --> 00:46:10.914 Yeah. 00:46:11.064 --> 00:46:11.354 True. 00:46:11.654 --> 00:46:14.019 And your day is just, just getting started, right? 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.339 So you probably get, need to get some work done and, and stuff. 00:46:18.759 --> 00:46:19.979 I'm wrapping up my day here. 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:20.879 And so Yeah. 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:21.399 See you. 00:46:21.399 --> 00:46:22.159 In a couple of 00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:23.859 Alan: couple of weeks, cheer 00:46:24.139 --> 00:46:24.839 Mario: All right, Alan. 00:46:25.459 --> 00:46:27.389 It was great as always, take care