1 00:00:01,570 --> 00:00:05,272 Welcome to Plans Are Booked, podcast for every reader. 2 00:00:05,272 --> 00:00:06,553 I'm Molly Geller. 3 00:00:09,715 --> 00:00:10,996 I'm still thinking. 4 00:00:10,996 --> 00:00:11,857 I know, I'm not the second. 5 00:00:11,857 --> 00:00:14,158 Welcome to chapter 27, what do you mean? 6 00:00:14,658 --> 00:00:17,040 27, that's like the first number, so this is gonna be a crushed episode. 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:17,360 Wait, what? 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,002 The first number? 9 00:00:20,002 --> 00:00:23,524 Oh, like all the famous people that have died when they were 27? 10 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:24,205 Yeah, yeah. 11 00:00:25,546 --> 00:00:26,446 Molly just made a face. 12 00:00:26,446 --> 00:00:27,607 It's a lot of people. 13 00:00:27,607 --> 00:00:29,969 It's like Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain. 14 00:00:29,969 --> 00:00:30,358 Amy Winehouse. 15 00:00:30,358 --> 00:00:31,265 Winehouse. 16 00:00:31,265 --> 00:00:31,678 Yeah. 17 00:00:31,678 --> 00:00:36,207 I made that face because many years ago I went on a graffiti tour and there was like 18 00:00:36,207 --> 00:00:40,656 a whole side of a building covered in what's called the 27 club and it was all 19 00:00:40,656 --> 00:00:43,281 like tributes to all the people that you guys just mentioned. 20 00:00:43,614 --> 00:00:46,015 I think Bob Marley is in there as well. 21 00:00:46,156 --> 00:00:48,958 People don't realize that he wasn't that old when he died. 22 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:51,000 I could be wrong about that one. 23 00:00:51,461 --> 00:00:55,084 Jimi Hendrix was 27, Mama Cass was 27. 24 00:00:55,825 --> 00:00:57,366 Heath might have been 27. 25 00:00:57,366 --> 00:01:01,029 I'm not sure about that one, but it's like very unlucky. 26 00:01:01,324 --> 00:01:02,486 Back to the bottom, I just don't know. 27 00:01:02,486 --> 00:01:03,487 I really don't see that. 28 00:01:03,487 --> 00:01:03,747 Same. 29 00:01:03,747 --> 00:01:04,188 I don't. 30 00:01:04,188 --> 00:01:06,229 to see that movie One Love 31 00:01:08,274 --> 00:01:12,780 I don't, but I've read, I've read, it's because I've read a lot of books about 32 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:13,321 him. 33 00:01:13,321 --> 00:01:15,524 Like, I feel like I know a lot about him already. 34 00:01:15,524 --> 00:01:17,967 And so that's not a dig at the movie. 35 00:01:17,967 --> 00:01:20,149 It's just like, I don't need to see it. 36 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:20,600 music. 37 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,621 I just want to dance to my feet. 38 00:01:23,621 --> 00:01:24,662 I also want to hear the music. 39 00:01:24,662 --> 00:01:30,064 And I saw that it's available right now to purchase on Prime Video. 40 00:01:30,064 --> 00:01:32,505 So I'll wait until it becomes free. 41 00:01:33,966 --> 00:01:35,627 What's everybody been up to? 42 00:01:36,567 --> 00:01:40,629 I don't know, did you guys notice my t-shirt? 43 00:01:40,649 --> 00:01:41,870 It's the barn t-shirt. 44 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:44,311 Well, not the barn t-shirt, but the therapy t-shirt. 45 00:01:44,311 --> 00:01:46,565 She gave me one today because now I'm official. 46 00:01:46,565 --> 00:01:46,945 wait, wait. 47 00:01:46,945 --> 00:01:50,648 For those who obviously, yeah, for those who are not here with us, Stephanie is 48 00:01:50,648 --> 00:01:55,732 wearing like a hunter green t-shirt and it says Clover physical therapy with a 49 00:01:55,732 --> 00:02:01,136 beautiful extension to the cursive R at the end of Clover that has like the stem 50 00:02:01,136 --> 00:02:03,417 and then the four leaf clover above. 51 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:09,899 Today I just discovered that the therapist and the other volunteer are book people. 52 00:02:09,899 --> 00:02:14,045 So we got into it about like books, recommendations for each other. 53 00:02:14,045 --> 00:02:14,705 people. 54 00:02:14,705 --> 00:02:19,168 So we got into it about books, recommendations for each other, and what 55 00:02:19,168 --> 00:02:20,148 kind of experiences there is possibly. 56 00:02:20,148 --> 00:02:24,050 There's some kind of like, yes to that, but also there's some kind of alliteration 57 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:26,492 that needs to happen about books and barns and barns and books. 58 00:02:26,492 --> 00:02:26,692 And books. 59 00:02:26,692 --> 00:02:26,792 Yeah. 60 00:02:26,792 --> 00:02:29,964 Because that was a good question. 61 00:02:29,964 --> 00:02:31,989 new barn boots today. 62 00:02:31,989 --> 00:02:33,882 So yeah. 63 00:02:33,882 --> 00:02:36,897 Maybe that's a song that's sung in your book. 64 00:02:37,846 --> 00:02:39,507 Oh my god, yes. 65 00:02:41,648 --> 00:02:46,211 If this is the first time that you're listening, Stephanie is working on a book 66 00:02:46,211 --> 00:02:50,033 draft that is set in Wyoming and cowboy boots are a pretty big part of the story. 67 00:02:50,994 --> 00:02:52,742 because they're also a big part of my life. 68 00:02:52,742 --> 00:02:53,584 and singing. 69 00:02:53,584 --> 00:02:58,760 And so why wouldn't you have a Shania Twain style song that's called Barn Boots 70 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,661 and Books? 71 00:03:01,603 --> 00:03:03,138 You can add our names to the credits. 72 00:03:03,138 --> 00:03:04,322 names to the list. 73 00:03:04,322 --> 00:03:07,671 I don't want to like toot my own horn, but that was a great idea. 74 00:03:11,074 --> 00:03:15,496 Um, we also went to Steph's flip house this week. 75 00:03:16,237 --> 00:03:17,418 We went to the flip house. 76 00:03:17,418 --> 00:03:19,159 Molly documented it beautifully. 77 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:23,762 If people don't realize this, anything that is on our Instagram page is 78 00:03:23,762 --> 00:03:29,446 completely curated by Molly and she is like unbelievably good at it. 79 00:03:29,446 --> 00:03:31,588 And I just like send her memes all day. 80 00:03:31,588 --> 00:03:35,210 And then she like knows how to time it and schedule it and put it out so that 81 00:03:35,210 --> 00:03:40,713 everybody is seeing, you know, a steady flow of our content and. 82 00:03:41,172 --> 00:03:46,409 um I just I just feel like I go hard for her all day. 83 00:03:46,409 --> 00:03:51,453 but she did, she did a really good job doing like documenting Steph's house. 84 00:03:51,453 --> 00:03:55,375 And then we went and ate delicious pickle pizza afterwards. 85 00:03:55,375 --> 00:04:02,760 And it was just awesome to finally see, like we've seen so many Reels stuff, like 86 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,844 we've seen so many photos and so many Reels and we've like lived all of the like 87 00:04:08,004 --> 00:04:10,448 housing dilemma projects. 88 00:04:10,448 --> 00:04:15,011 this didn't come in this is dented this is all outsized that's just been really why 89 00:04:15,011 --> 00:04:26,859 didn't I turn off the paint how's it we will definitely link to the house so that 90 00:04:26,859 --> 00:04:27,720 if you are listening 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,924 you want to move to Harvard, Massachusetts, you can have access to it. 92 00:04:31,669 --> 00:04:33,270 this house is gorgeous. 93 00:04:33,831 --> 00:04:35,472 I fell in love with the kitchen. 94 00:04:35,552 --> 00:04:38,695 If you've listened to any other episode of this show, you know that I don't cook, but 95 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,256 just aesthetically, I was in love with the kitchen. 96 00:04:41,357 --> 00:04:44,779 I wanted to sit at that waterfall island and be cooked for it for the rest of my 97 00:04:44,779 --> 00:04:45,539 life. 98 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,503 And Stephanie also has a gift for picking out light fixtures that look like they 99 00:04:49,503 --> 00:04:53,586 belong in the home of millionaires, and in every single room were these like 100 00:04:53,586 --> 00:04:54,793 stunning. 101 00:04:54,793 --> 00:04:59,397 room where there are these stunning light fixtures, there was a room that I just 102 00:04:59,397 --> 00:05:01,809 felt would be like my home office that had 103 00:05:01,809 --> 00:05:02,890 so much natural light. 104 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:06,394 It's just, if that's a part of Massachusetts you want to live in, you've 105 00:05:06,394 --> 00:05:08,235 got to get to this house and see it. 106 00:05:08,235 --> 00:05:11,759 She picked the most exquisite exterior paint color, which looks amazing on the 107 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:12,699 listing. 108 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:15,371 And I hope it goes right quick. 109 00:05:15,371 --> 00:05:15,932 And 110 00:05:16,371 --> 00:05:16,931 Me too. 111 00:05:16,931 --> 00:05:21,155 I feel like it's going to, I don't know. 112 00:05:21,155 --> 00:05:23,317 I know these are space, but. 113 00:05:23,706 --> 00:05:24,092 um. 114 00:05:24,092 --> 00:05:25,612 cool house. 115 00:05:25,612 --> 00:05:29,053 I've been in a lot of different concepts, and I think that was one of them. 116 00:05:29,233 --> 00:05:31,854 And I was really excited. 117 00:05:31,854 --> 00:05:35,355 I didn't expect to ask a little more, so I'll leave you with that. 118 00:05:35,775 --> 00:05:38,076 It's very nice. 119 00:05:38,216 --> 00:05:42,397 It's just really good, like, white, and nice space. 120 00:05:43,097 --> 00:05:43,878 Totally agree. 121 00:05:43,878 --> 00:05:46,718 And also, while all of you were listening to this, 122 00:05:47,479 --> 00:05:49,259 It's a very important day today. 123 00:05:49,259 --> 00:05:55,522 A movie that we have been looking forward to for a long time is finally on Amazon 124 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:56,162 Prime Video. 125 00:05:56,162 --> 00:06:00,764 And that is the idea of you starring Anne Hathaway and Nicholas Galatian, which is 126 00:06:00,764 --> 00:06:06,507 the adaptation of the book by the same title, which we covered early on in the 127 00:06:06,507 --> 00:06:07,948 Plans Are Booked days. 128 00:06:07,948 --> 00:06:13,530 We will reshare in case you're coming upon it for the first time, but we are watching 129 00:06:13,530 --> 00:06:15,050 live together. 130 00:06:15,095 --> 00:06:17,716 and then we're gonna record after our viewing. 131 00:06:17,716 --> 00:06:23,440 So we are gonna give you a full week to watch on your own and then our episode of 132 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,622 our live reaction will debut next week on May 9th. 133 00:06:26,622 --> 00:06:31,345 So hop to it, watch the movie, so then you can listen to our full recap. 134 00:06:31,345 --> 00:06:36,288 We will spoil things, we will remind people right up top, but if you're into 135 00:06:36,288 --> 00:06:40,037 the book and you're as excited about the movie as we are, that is coming your way. 136 00:06:40,539 --> 00:06:40,999 to our full recap. 137 00:06:40,999 --> 00:06:42,399 We will spoil things, we will remind people right up now. 138 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:44,700 But if you're into the book and you're excited about the movie as we are, that's 139 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:44,900 coming in. 140 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:46,040 Also, Steph already bought booze for it. 141 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,360 So, we're ready to go. 142 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,120 We're just ready. 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,681 We're ready, is what it amounts to. 144 00:06:49,681 --> 00:06:51,161 We're just completely ready. 145 00:06:51,481 --> 00:06:52,301 And 146 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:55,651 I am really looking forward to doing that. 147 00:06:55,651 --> 00:06:58,012 I think it's going to be really silly. 148 00:06:58,493 --> 00:07:00,614 And I think it's going to be... 149 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:11,242 Yes, I just, I feel like it's going to be hard to not have people see what we look 150 00:07:11,242 --> 00:07:12,763 like when we're talking about it. 151 00:07:12,763 --> 00:07:17,806 Cause I feel like we're all going to be just like blushing and like sighing and 152 00:07:18,167 --> 00:07:21,129 you know, everything that Taylor says in so high school basically. 153 00:07:21,129 --> 00:07:21,477 So... 154 00:07:21,477 --> 00:07:26,201 I think that it's gonna be a room that we can head to. 155 00:07:26,201 --> 00:07:27,766 Well, to people that are on Zoom. 156 00:07:28,631 --> 00:07:31,932 tomorrow night after we are live recording this. 157 00:07:31,932 --> 00:07:36,634 We're gonna go see Challengers, which if you have somehow been living under a rock 158 00:07:36,634 --> 00:07:42,396 and have missed the epic fashion press tour that is Zendaya, first of all, catch 159 00:07:42,396 --> 00:07:43,036 up. 160 00:07:43,036 --> 00:07:46,338 And second of all, I can't wait for this love triangle. 161 00:07:46,338 --> 00:07:50,439 I love tennis, so like I'm just excited that that's the premise. 162 00:07:50,820 --> 00:07:54,681 I don't know if I'm gonna leave feeling like exhilarated, terrified, hot and 163 00:07:54,681 --> 00:07:55,321 bothered. 164 00:07:55,321 --> 00:07:57,564 I just don't know, but I really cannot wait to go. 165 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:00,304 I just don't know, but I really cannot wait to go. 166 00:08:00,465 --> 00:08:04,266 It's coming to our movie theater now, and I'm got lost, you don't have to go very 167 00:08:04,266 --> 00:08:05,026 far. 168 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,027 I just, I love seeing a movie in the theater. 169 00:08:09,027 --> 00:08:13,868 I've always, one of the things I miss most at the start of the pandemic, I'll never 170 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:17,029 forget my first movie that came out, and it was the set story of the musical. 171 00:08:17,089 --> 00:08:18,550 I just, I didn't even. 172 00:08:18,550 --> 00:08:20,490 It was all, we, all of us went. 173 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:21,482 Yeah, yes, we went together. 174 00:08:21,482 --> 00:08:22,474 on the big screen. 175 00:08:22,474 --> 00:08:24,975 I just needed this to be the things on the big screen. 176 00:08:25,136 --> 00:08:27,337 And I think this month's gonna be awesome. 177 00:08:27,337 --> 00:08:28,839 I truly, truly cannot wait. 178 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,206 And I've been devouring all of their press interviews, individually, 179 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,531 Um, I got distracted because it looks like Taylor is rehearsing. 180 00:08:44,244 --> 00:08:48,726 new songs for the Aris tour and that's going to be gripping me for the rest of 181 00:08:48,726 --> 00:08:49,767 the evening. 182 00:08:51,828 --> 00:08:55,971 Do you think, well, I'm just wondering if she's going to get rid of an arrow to add 183 00:08:55,971 --> 00:08:56,891 this in. 184 00:08:57,896 --> 00:09:01,118 Because I don't know if you guys know this, but she already doesn't do her debut 185 00:09:01,118 --> 00:09:04,621 album that era does not exist in the airs tour. 186 00:09:05,142 --> 00:09:09,666 So like, is she going to have like a close to four hour show or is she going to get 187 00:09:09,666 --> 00:09:10,907 rid of an era? 188 00:09:11,788 --> 00:09:15,787 What if she gets rid of lover, I will audibly gasp. 189 00:09:15,787 --> 00:09:16,827 is a good lover, I will follow her down. 190 00:09:16,827 --> 00:09:20,810 If I was someone like in Europe who had been looking forward to all the things 191 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:27,055 that they had seen on the internet for the past year, I would be heartbroken to not 192 00:09:27,055 --> 00:09:28,757 get to see some of those numbers. 193 00:09:28,757 --> 00:09:29,397 Yes. 194 00:09:30,251 --> 00:09:34,813 I've seen on the internet for the past year. 195 00:09:34,813 --> 00:09:36,114 I would be heartbroken not to see some of those numbers. 196 00:09:36,114 --> 00:09:36,234 Yes. 197 00:09:36,234 --> 00:09:36,654 And I would die. 198 00:09:36,654 --> 00:09:36,834 I would. 199 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:40,876 I mean, this is like in my top two albums, I think, if not top three. 200 00:09:42,096 --> 00:09:44,137 I would lose my mind. 201 00:09:44,137 --> 00:09:49,879 And she sets fire to the Loverhouse in the product like in the errors tour like, I 202 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:50,570 don't know. 203 00:09:50,570 --> 00:09:50,731 it. 204 00:09:50,731 --> 00:09:54,693 This is how my brain works when Taylor is out without jitters. 205 00:09:54,693 --> 00:09:58,636 Okay but now that you've had a little bit to listen to the Tortured Poets 206 00:09:58,636 --> 00:10:02,458 Department, can you tell the people, like, what are your top tracks? 207 00:10:02,458 --> 00:10:04,639 What do you think people should be listening to? 208 00:10:06,397 --> 00:10:08,998 Um, okay, so she's a genius. 209 00:10:09,539 --> 00:10:16,443 Stevie Nicks wrote a poem that's in the CDs and the vinyl, like an entire poem for 210 00:10:16,443 --> 00:10:19,925 Taylor, which is like, who else gets that? 211 00:10:19,925 --> 00:10:20,805 Nobody. 212 00:10:21,406 --> 00:10:26,229 The people that are upset that there aren't any quote unquote bops need to get 213 00:10:26,229 --> 00:10:30,151 it together because it's a double breakup album. 214 00:10:30,151 --> 00:10:32,092 Like she's not even just singing about Joe. 215 00:10:32,092 --> 00:10:33,152 She's also 216 00:10:33,377 --> 00:10:37,198 singing about Maddie Haley because I didn't realize this, but it's basically 217 00:10:37,198 --> 00:10:39,118 been a situation ship for a long time. 218 00:10:39,118 --> 00:10:42,659 Like after she broke up with Harry, she was kind of with Maddie for a minute and 219 00:10:42,659 --> 00:10:46,420 then she broke up with Joe and she was with Maddie for a minute again and tried 220 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:48,921 to make it a real thing and he ghosted her. 221 00:10:49,141 --> 00:10:54,082 So if you were coming for the bops, like where have you been? 222 00:10:54,082 --> 00:10:56,783 Like her life hasn't been a bop, it just hasn't been. 223 00:10:56,783 --> 00:11:02,614 And so out of the 31 songs, I would say that like, 224 00:11:02,614 --> 00:11:06,195 20 of her girls were like, she was kind of a ridiculous. 225 00:11:06,396 --> 00:11:09,107 Um, so, really, right now... 226 00:11:09,107 --> 00:11:15,970 are L-O-M-L, guilty as sin, but daddy, I love him. 227 00:11:17,511 --> 00:11:18,891 I can do it with broken heart. 228 00:11:18,891 --> 00:11:22,913 Oh my God, they're all so good. 229 00:11:22,913 --> 00:11:28,995 Fortnite is good, but Fortnite's good in like a, like it's the first song off the 230 00:11:28,995 --> 00:11:29,295 album. 231 00:11:29,295 --> 00:11:32,576 So you're always gonna think of it as like, that's how it starts out. 232 00:11:32,681 --> 00:11:37,184 And they're all just really, really... 233 00:11:37,184 --> 00:11:38,986 Clara Bo is growing on me. 234 00:11:38,986 --> 00:11:40,526 That one's really good. 235 00:11:40,947 --> 00:11:43,669 She talks about like, in that one, she talks about being compared to other 236 00:11:43,669 --> 00:11:45,731 people, Clara Bo, Stevie Nicks. 237 00:11:45,731 --> 00:11:50,534 And then she like, the last time she does the chorus, she goes, you look like Taylor 238 00:11:50,534 --> 00:11:52,376 Swift in this light. 239 00:11:52,376 --> 00:11:53,636 We're loving it. 240 00:11:53,717 --> 00:11:58,040 And then, and like, it's just like really interesting how that one kind of like 241 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:58,536 morphs. 242 00:11:58,536 --> 00:11:59,357 come from the bops. 243 00:11:59,357 --> 00:12:00,251 He doesn't look like that. 244 00:12:00,771 --> 00:12:06,096 I think one of the greatest albums by a female pop singer of all time is 21 by 245 00:12:06,096 --> 00:12:08,898 Adele, which is also a breakup album. 246 00:12:09,198 --> 00:12:11,240 She won the most Grammys for that album. 247 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,924 Like you have to, I think, appreciate the storytelling and the art. 248 00:12:15,924 --> 00:12:18,906 And it's not about like, can you work out to it? 249 00:12:18,906 --> 00:12:21,568 Or do you want to like sing along in your car with the windows down? 250 00:12:21,568 --> 00:12:23,966 Like the only song that really 251 00:12:23,966 --> 00:12:28,787 Like, the only song that really made it to the radio off of that album was Rollin' to 252 00:12:28,787 --> 00:12:30,767 the Deep, which also was the first track. 253 00:12:30,968 --> 00:12:34,409 And it's just not about that. 254 00:12:34,409 --> 00:12:37,862 So like, if you need these kinds of songs, you should go to 255 00:12:37,862 --> 00:12:38,017 is. 256 00:12:38,986 --> 00:12:42,549 I've the one I've been comparing it to is Joni Mitchell's Blue. 257 00:12:42,918 --> 00:12:45,679 Right, like that's arguably her best album. 258 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:46,500 No bops on it. 259 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:48,301 She's completely heartbroken. 260 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:54,564 She and Graham Nash had ended a very lengthy, I mean, they were practically 261 00:12:54,564 --> 00:12:56,025 married, but they weren't. 262 00:12:57,366 --> 00:13:00,828 So yeah, I think that whatever, you know what though? 263 00:13:00,928 --> 00:13:04,810 I'm fine with hurting the crowd, like, heard them out. 264 00:13:04,810 --> 00:13:07,612 Like they can go back to their midnights and their whatever. 265 00:13:08,493 --> 00:13:10,289 But when this, if she does. 266 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:14,731 a tour of this former TTP team specifically, she better not die. 267 00:13:14,731 --> 00:13:19,173 Because, I mean, you just have to learn that. 268 00:13:19,173 --> 00:13:22,654 Rapidation is probably meant to figure out, did I do that for? 269 00:13:22,654 --> 00:13:23,655 No, I didn't. 270 00:13:23,675 --> 00:13:24,775 Why didn't I? 271 00:13:24,775 --> 00:13:26,336 It wasn't for me. 272 00:13:26,436 --> 00:13:28,017 That tour wasn't for me. 273 00:13:28,017 --> 00:13:32,286 And I watched it on Netflix, because she made it to work, 274 00:13:32,286 --> 00:13:33,387 like movie out of it. 275 00:13:33,387 --> 00:13:36,428 And I was like, no, I wouldn't have liked this very much. 276 00:13:36,428 --> 00:13:38,669 And it was like the right choice. 277 00:13:38,942 --> 00:13:40,202 So don't focus on 278 00:13:40,936 --> 00:13:42,522 Should we get into our book? 279 00:13:44,085 --> 00:13:45,866 You shouldn't go into it too much. 280 00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:46,186 Let's do it. 281 00:13:46,186 --> 00:13:48,007 I'm forced to go into this book to find out what it is called. 282 00:13:48,007 --> 00:13:48,193 I 283 00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:53,756 to figure out how this book is built and how to go about this. 284 00:13:53,756 --> 00:13:54,657 read it. 285 00:13:54,877 --> 00:13:57,619 I mean, I think this is our fastest turnover of a book. 286 00:13:57,619 --> 00:13:59,085 I read it in the last month. 287 00:14:00,209 --> 00:14:01,270 was pretty awesome. 288 00:14:01,270 --> 00:14:03,592 So, Q&A is my first question. 289 00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:06,531 This was his second book. 290 00:14:06,531 --> 00:14:16,079 He's written three and he is known for gritty Los Angeles based California based 291 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,400 stories. 292 00:14:18,542 --> 00:14:22,625 And he just really packs a punch in his writing. 293 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:25,227 Like, it's very vivid. 294 00:14:25,227 --> 00:14:26,528 It's very. 295 00:14:27,121 --> 00:14:29,882 concise, his books aren't that long. 296 00:14:30,862 --> 00:14:37,625 And Zeebo, who gave us the nameplans are booked for our podcast, asked me if I had 297 00:14:37,625 --> 00:14:39,486 read this book like a couple years ago. 298 00:14:39,486 --> 00:14:40,967 And I was like, No, I haven't read it. 299 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:42,367 And he was like, It's so good. 300 00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:43,868 You have to read it. 301 00:14:44,028 --> 00:14:46,289 I haven't read anything like it before. 302 00:14:46,749 --> 00:14:48,490 And I and Zeebo reads a ton. 303 00:14:48,490 --> 00:14:50,851 And I was like, you haven't read anything like it before. 304 00:14:50,851 --> 00:14:51,751 Like, that's so funny. 305 00:14:51,751 --> 00:14:55,003 Like, and then my brother read it because they're friends. 306 00:14:55,003 --> 00:14:55,183 a book. 307 00:14:55,183 --> 00:14:57,173 And he was like, 308 00:14:57,173 --> 00:14:58,093 was excellent. 309 00:14:58,093 --> 00:14:59,113 Like it was so, so good. 310 00:14:59,113 --> 00:15:00,694 And I was like, huh. 311 00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:06,395 So then I ended up reading Everybody Knows First, which is his third book. 312 00:15:06,395 --> 00:15:10,736 And that one's about a Hollywood cleanup firm. 313 00:15:10,796 --> 00:15:16,538 So like a firm that like when famous people screw up, like, you know, Lindsay 314 00:15:16,538 --> 00:15:21,579 Lohan's got four people blacked out with coke on their noses in her hotel room and 315 00:15:21,579 --> 00:15:22,840 she needs like a cleanup. 316 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,780 Like you call this firm and they come and they... 317 00:15:25,997 --> 00:15:31,700 do all your dirty work and then you come out smelling like roses. 318 00:15:32,821 --> 00:15:39,346 That one's like a total mystery because right from the go, somebody from that firm 319 00:15:39,346 --> 00:15:40,967 is found murdered. 320 00:15:40,967 --> 00:15:46,671 There are other people in the firm that want to find out what's going on and kind 321 00:15:46,671 --> 00:15:50,854 of right the wrongs that they are having their Jerry Maguire moment where they're 322 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:52,975 like, I can't do this anymore. 323 00:15:52,975 --> 00:15:54,519 My conscience can't handle it. 324 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:55,139 it. 325 00:15:55,939 --> 00:15:59,621 So that's the first part I wrote that I really liked it. 326 00:16:00,558 --> 00:16:03,460 And Zeebo was like, she writes shotgun is way better. 327 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:04,840 Like you need to get on that. 328 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,282 So I finally found, Steph and I were at Barnes and Noble and they, I had been 329 00:16:09,282 --> 00:16:13,043 looking in bookstores to get it because I didn't want to order it from Amazon. 330 00:16:13,524 --> 00:16:15,084 Finally found it in Barnes and Noble. 331 00:16:15,084 --> 00:16:17,525 They had, it was, they didn't even have his newer book. 332 00:16:17,525 --> 00:16:21,767 That was the only book they had by him like on this display. 333 00:16:21,767 --> 00:16:23,208 I read it in two days. 334 00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:25,208 It is. 335 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:32,742 I love when there is an adult and a kid that are main characters. 336 00:16:32,982 --> 00:16:34,944 I really like that dynamic in movies. 337 00:16:34,944 --> 00:16:37,566 I really like that dynamic in books. 338 00:16:37,786 --> 00:16:43,671 It's just very compelling when you have two people in two very different age 339 00:16:43,671 --> 00:16:47,594 groups who aren't necessarily related to each other or don't know each other that 340 00:16:47,594 --> 00:16:50,577 well, and you throw them into a situation. 341 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:52,758 That's what happens in She Rides Shotgun. 342 00:16:53,609 --> 00:16:54,530 problem. 343 00:16:55,749 --> 00:17:01,533 a dad who gets out of jail who is for all intents and purposes, like a pretty bad 344 00:17:01,533 --> 00:17:02,333 dude. 345 00:17:02,794 --> 00:17:03,935 He served time. 346 00:17:03,935 --> 00:17:07,957 He got out on good behavior. 347 00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:09,739 It's very complex. 348 00:17:09,739 --> 00:17:12,281 I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty details because you should read the 349 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:19,506 book, but he has really ticked off like a white supremacy group that is active 350 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:22,188 within prison and outside of prison. 351 00:17:23,061 --> 00:17:28,843 they find out he has a daughter and they basically say like, basically there's a 352 00:17:28,843 --> 00:17:33,185 reward on her head for like whoever gets to her first and takes her out to get back 353 00:17:33,185 --> 00:17:35,746 at this guy, Nate. 354 00:17:35,746 --> 00:17:38,027 And that's like the premise of the entire book. 355 00:17:38,027 --> 00:17:40,488 Like that happens within five pages. 356 00:17:40,488 --> 00:17:42,448 It's just like right off the bat. 357 00:17:42,749 --> 00:17:48,211 And this girl doesn't know her dad because she's, she's been not in prison and he has 358 00:17:48,211 --> 00:17:48,951 been. 359 00:17:49,311 --> 00:17:52,002 And she basically goes on this like, 360 00:17:52,002 --> 00:18:00,588 she's buying revenge for, of like, keeping her safety down to the full, the full. 361 00:18:00,812 --> 00:18:03,834 tricking people, swindling people. 362 00:18:04,915 --> 00:18:09,499 It's got a little bit of everything and their relationship is building throughout 363 00:18:09,499 --> 00:18:13,002 the book and she is like starting to learn more about him. 364 00:18:13,242 --> 00:18:17,765 And she's also starting to learn that she's a lot like him for better or worse. 365 00:18:21,525 --> 00:18:22,646 I absolutely loved it. 366 00:18:22,646 --> 00:18:24,908 I thought it was so, I thought it was so well done. 367 00:18:24,908 --> 00:18:27,230 I thought it was the perfect length. 368 00:18:28,151 --> 00:18:30,213 I found everybody so compelling. 369 00:18:30,374 --> 00:18:33,957 It's like an anti-hero book where you're like rooting for people that like 370 00:18:33,957 --> 00:18:35,819 shouldn't really be rooted for. 371 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,963 It's got all sorts of delicious things going on. 372 00:18:39,963 --> 00:18:41,424 Did you guys like? 373 00:18:41,558 --> 00:18:43,619 where you're like moving the people that you've been working for. 374 00:18:43,619 --> 00:18:44,720 It's got all sorts of delicious things going on. 375 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:45,300 Did you guys like that? 376 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:46,581 I first want to read a little bit to the listeners, okay? 377 00:18:46,581 --> 00:18:49,643 Just to give you a sense of the writing style. 378 00:18:50,824 --> 00:18:52,245 This is from the beginning. 379 00:18:52,946 --> 00:18:56,868 Not the very beginning, but from the beginning, so I won't give anything away. 380 00:18:56,884 --> 00:18:59,485 She realizes she needed to pee, bad. 381 00:18:59,946 --> 00:19:03,471 She gets what she needed to for a while, but has a too worried nose. 382 00:19:03,471 --> 00:19:06,512 to for a while but had been too worried to notice. 383 00:19:06,592 --> 00:19:11,134 She chewed on her thumb, found a nub of flesh close to the nail, sunk her teeth 384 00:19:11,134 --> 00:19:14,075 in, tugged it loose with a red jolt of pain. 385 00:19:14,196 --> 00:19:17,597 She kicked her feet against the dashboard, thud, thud. 386 00:19:17,677 --> 00:19:21,118 She dug into her backpack, found her new library books. 387 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:22,679 She found one on UFOs. 388 00:19:22,679 --> 00:19:26,501 Polly liked reading about outer space, which made sense. 389 00:19:26,501 --> 00:19:28,241 seeing how she was from Venus. 390 00:19:28,781 --> 00:19:36,843 I don't think I've read a book that is so blunt, short, and doesn't use any flowery 391 00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:38,444 language whatsoever. 392 00:19:38,824 --> 00:19:44,666 I think that's why I liked this book, because it was kind of refreshing to not 393 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:51,848 have like, over edited, analyzed metaphors and extra flowery language. 394 00:19:51,848 --> 00:19:55,368 It felt like, here's the story, here's what's happening. 395 00:19:55,759 --> 00:20:02,804 Painting a clear picture, not an extra cloth, which also makes me feel a little 396 00:20:02,804 --> 00:20:03,444 bit more empowered. 397 00:20:03,444 --> 00:20:03,584 Ready? 398 00:20:03,584 --> 00:20:07,266 I'm Jada's mom, and I'm building a child's home. 399 00:20:08,267 --> 00:20:10,205 I'm building a child's home. 400 00:20:10,205 --> 00:20:19,387 There were some moments where I felt maybe she was given a little too much credit or, 401 00:20:19,687 --> 00:20:22,328 I mean, I was around a nine-year-old last week. 402 00:20:22,528 --> 00:20:24,868 I know she's supposed to be 11 and I... 403 00:20:24,902 --> 00:20:28,623 think at the time I was really thinking, would she have said something like that? 404 00:20:28,623 --> 00:20:33,165 But then there's a little bit of a tether asking how it felt, feeling, instead of 405 00:20:33,165 --> 00:20:36,727 actually saying what she's feeling, so. 406 00:20:37,707 --> 00:20:39,988 Which is such a trauma response. 407 00:20:39,988 --> 00:20:40,748 Like. 408 00:20:41,144 --> 00:20:41,887 I loved that. 409 00:20:41,887 --> 00:20:46,598 has a teddy bear and she's 11 and she has it act out what she's feeling because she 410 00:20:46,598 --> 00:20:47,981 can't always communicate it. 411 00:20:47,981 --> 00:20:52,987 Well, I liked that like it has a sons of anarchy feel, which I loved. 412 00:20:54,189 --> 00:20:59,255 So there's like this violence happening, but then there's a child who is having her 413 00:20:59,396 --> 00:21:05,303 puppety bear wave and high five and you know. 414 00:21:05,372 --> 00:21:09,873 make like a poo look at her, it's a nice type of feeling. 415 00:21:09,873 --> 00:21:10,233 It's a question. 416 00:21:10,233 --> 00:21:13,994 I mean, there's a child, but sometimes she's a little bit out of it, but it was 417 00:21:17,695 --> 00:21:19,876 organic. 418 00:21:20,316 --> 00:21:21,296 I loved it. 419 00:21:22,819 --> 00:21:23,899 I loved it. 420 00:21:24,639 --> 00:21:27,641 I also think that the ending worked. 421 00:21:27,641 --> 00:21:30,102 I was worried about like, where is this going? 422 00:21:30,102 --> 00:21:34,143 Is this going to wrap up in a way that makes me feel like this wasn't worth it 423 00:21:34,143 --> 00:21:35,404 and it didn't fit? 424 00:21:35,404 --> 00:21:37,204 I think it did really well. 425 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,369 Um, yeah. 426 00:21:39,369 --> 00:21:41,050 I liked this book a lot. 427 00:21:41,470 --> 00:21:45,034 This is not something I ever would have picked up myself, ever, ever in a 428 00:21:45,034 --> 00:21:48,577 bookstore, or even if it was on the, sometimes I like to read the staff picks 429 00:21:48,577 --> 00:21:50,558 on the shelves in the independent bookstores. 430 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,643 I do like mystery thriller books, but this isn't one I would have picked up. 431 00:21:55,643 --> 00:21:59,327 So I was glad that we decided to read it as a group, because I wouldn't have 432 00:21:59,327 --> 00:22:00,227 otherwise. 433 00:22:00,768 --> 00:22:01,029 I... 434 00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:02,750 and then trying to do it otherwise. 435 00:22:03,070 --> 00:22:07,954 I have said many times on this podcast that I'm not doing that, but I feel like 436 00:22:07,954 --> 00:22:08,566 I'm just 437 00:22:08,612 --> 00:22:11,333 This is an excellent plane book. 438 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:16,614 And the reason that I feel that way is that every single chapter ends on kind of 439 00:22:16,614 --> 00:22:20,575 like an oh shit moment and you want to know what's going to happen next. 440 00:22:20,828 --> 00:22:24,649 I also like that it alternates perspectives, not just between Nate the 441 00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:26,370 dad and Polly the daughter. 442 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:30,071 More people get introduced as the book goes on. 443 00:22:30,132 --> 00:22:33,673 So let's say they show up at somebody's doorstep and you're like, oh, who is this? 444 00:22:33,673 --> 00:22:36,695 All of a sudden the next chapter is from the perspective of the person on the other 445 00:22:36,695 --> 00:22:37,795 side of the door. 446 00:22:37,795 --> 00:22:42,177 Or like they encounter, let's say a police officer or a detective. 447 00:22:42,217 --> 00:22:45,739 And then all of a sudden that person's perspective comes in and I just wasn't 448 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:46,599 expecting that. 449 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,219 I thought it was maybe gonna go. 450 00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:51,382 just back and forth between Nate and Polly, but I was pleasantly surprised 451 00:22:51,382 --> 00:22:53,804 every time another person's point of view came in. 452 00:22:53,804 --> 00:22:59,008 I actually think that's really hard to do and do successfully, but I think he did a 453 00:22:59,008 --> 00:22:59,988 great job. 454 00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:02,691 I agree about Polly and the teddy bear. 455 00:23:02,691 --> 00:23:06,454 I was like, this is so specific. 456 00:23:06,654 --> 00:23:11,078 And if it wasn't this detailed and so constant throughout the story, it might 457 00:23:11,078 --> 00:23:13,559 just seem like a strange. 458 00:23:14,152 --> 00:23:17,634 detail or something that he maybe meant to flesh out more and didn't quite know how, 459 00:23:17,634 --> 00:23:20,315 but it becomes like a central part of the story. 460 00:23:20,676 --> 00:23:24,799 I wish I could know where he came up with that and why he decided to include that. 461 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:29,902 I also have to say that I couldn't not notice that anytime they talked about a 462 00:23:29,902 --> 00:23:36,567 television, like a TV in a hotel room, or it was spelled T-E-E-V-E-E, one word. 463 00:23:36,567 --> 00:23:38,628 I have never seen that in a book. 464 00:23:38,788 --> 00:23:41,871 I don't know if that was a stylistic choice or something an editor suggested, 465 00:23:41,871 --> 00:23:43,591 but I was like, wow, this is like... 466 00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:49,286 I just can't not notice it because it like my eye kind of like tripped up on it every 467 00:23:49,286 --> 00:23:50,066 time. 468 00:23:50,527 --> 00:23:52,968 Not a pro or a con, just a thing that I noticed. 469 00:23:53,168 --> 00:23:55,290 I think the book moves super quickly. 470 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:58,972 Like if you had like a rainy Saturday or Sunday afternoon to sit with this thing, 471 00:23:58,972 --> 00:24:00,572 you could do it in a day. 472 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:02,893 It's 257 pages. 473 00:24:02,974 --> 00:24:07,456 It flies like easily a day, a day and a half. 474 00:24:07,776 --> 00:24:11,478 And it did make me want to read more of his writing. 475 00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:13,151 And I agree with Steph. 476 00:24:13,151 --> 00:24:14,071 rating. 477 00:24:14,412 --> 00:24:20,794 just like brevity was actually really like moving in a way, even though he was 478 00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:26,176 describing things with the less words, it made it feel more intentional. 479 00:24:26,476 --> 00:24:30,177 And I also found in the beginning, it took me a little bit to get into the rhythm. 480 00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:34,799 Like I was having to reread certain bits and then finally I got into the cadence of 481 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,967 his writing and I was like, okay, I'm in, I get it, I'm good. 482 00:24:37,906 --> 00:24:38,706 I get it. 483 00:24:38,706 --> 00:24:43,207 He, I don't know what his background is that he's able to 484 00:24:43,424 --> 00:24:48,228 write California and like, criminal soap. 485 00:24:48,228 --> 00:24:53,873 I know I'm the only person who's written one of those other books, but there, I'm 486 00:24:53,873 --> 00:24:58,977 able to say, is on the interleaders, it's like, unborniness and like, the 487 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:06,524 no-bullshit awareness of how the people that... 488 00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:13,567 kind of lack of conscience or have kind of lived as an outlaw their whole lives or 489 00:25:13,708 --> 00:25:16,250 just an alternative lifestyle or like 490 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:21,873 crooked people, like he just really knows how to fight them, and I don't know if he 491 00:25:21,873 --> 00:25:27,876 knows somebody in his personal life that he's like either an immigrant, or some 492 00:25:27,876 --> 00:25:33,598 kind of professional criminal, or like he's friends with cops, or like, if I 493 00:25:33,598 --> 00:25:38,641 found out that his best friend was someone that went under cover, that would be full 494 00:25:38,641 --> 00:25:41,162 of sense to me, like somebody that kind of like, 495 00:25:41,448 --> 00:25:43,948 straddles both sides of the law. 496 00:25:44,073 --> 00:25:47,816 I could totally see that he just seems like he's in the know. 497 00:25:48,076 --> 00:25:51,039 It feels like he really knows what the heck's going on. 498 00:25:51,980 --> 00:26:01,729 I don't know how you are able to fake that unless you are involved with it somehow. 499 00:26:01,729 --> 00:26:04,030 I would love for this to be a movie. 500 00:26:04,291 --> 00:26:06,693 I think this could be a really good movie. 501 00:26:07,794 --> 00:26:09,656 I didn't really have anybody in mind. 502 00:26:09,656 --> 00:26:10,876 right now tonight. 503 00:26:11,001 --> 00:26:16,645 was thinking about it being a movie, but I just feel like there's so much action, the 504 00:26:16,645 --> 00:26:19,286 characters are so interesting. 505 00:26:19,587 --> 00:26:25,591 It seems really like possible, even though like it's kind of crazy, like based on 506 00:26:25,591 --> 00:26:28,833 like documentaries and other shows that I've watched about prison, it really 507 00:26:28,833 --> 00:26:30,114 doesn't seem that outlandish. 508 00:26:30,114 --> 00:26:36,839 Like it's all about like honor and loyalty and owing people things and making deals 509 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:38,120 and all sorts of stuff. 510 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:38,720 And 511 00:26:39,777 --> 00:26:44,027 I just, I feel like that it would be really good in a movie. 512 00:26:44,282 --> 00:26:49,565 I also want to say that Nate could have... 513 00:26:49,745 --> 00:26:52,786 I was waiting when it started for him. 514 00:26:52,927 --> 00:26:57,109 He hasn't seen her in five years and she's a tiny child. 515 00:26:58,490 --> 00:27:03,672 Jordan Harper could have made it almost like syrupy and had him... 516 00:27:04,309 --> 00:27:09,132 you know, be very like gentle and fatherly with her and that doesn't happen. 517 00:27:09,353 --> 00:27:11,855 And that makes more sense. 518 00:27:11,855 --> 00:27:15,138 If it had gone that way, I don't think I would have liked it. 519 00:27:15,138 --> 00:27:21,003 Instead, he's teaching her how to take a punch and, you know, not sugar coating 520 00:27:21,003 --> 00:27:21,824 anything. 521 00:27:21,824 --> 00:27:26,828 And I just am really appreciative of him keeping it real. 522 00:27:26,828 --> 00:27:31,597 I hate saying that, but like, he didn't try to do something. 523 00:27:31,597 --> 00:27:33,337 to make the story a certain way. 524 00:27:33,337 --> 00:27:40,580 He made it seem, he did basically what would happen in real life, you know? 525 00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:45,561 Cause someone coming out of prison wouldn't be like, you know, buck up kiddo, 526 00:27:45,561 --> 00:27:46,982 like we're gonna go on an adventure. 527 00:27:46,982 --> 00:27:50,052 Instead it's like, this is how it is, it's gonna be hard, 528 00:27:50,905 --> 00:27:52,266 he's not a good guy. 529 00:27:52,607 --> 00:27:56,750 And you just have to be all in on that he's not a good guy and accept that means 530 00:27:56,750 --> 00:28:00,834 like he's not a great dad and he's exposing her to all kinds of like messed 531 00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:01,974 up stuff. 532 00:28:02,215 --> 00:28:06,779 And you just have to accept that that's the nature of their relationship. 533 00:28:06,779 --> 00:28:08,920 If you're going to follow along on the story. 534 00:28:08,961 --> 00:28:12,363 And there is a, this isn't giving anything away, but there's a line when he first 535 00:28:12,363 --> 00:28:13,358 gets released from prison. 536 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:17,300 way because there's a line, first you have to reach from prison, you know, it's a 537 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:18,636 close and so on. 538 00:28:18,636 --> 00:28:23,420 minutes of exiting the prison, he breaks into a car, steals it and drives away. 539 00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:27,804 And it's like, yep, he broke the law on the way out. 540 00:28:27,804 --> 00:28:32,648 Like, I think Jordan Harper sets it up right away to be like, this dude's not 541 00:28:32,648 --> 00:28:33,568 messing around. 542 00:28:33,568 --> 00:28:37,331 Like he's a rough and tumble person and like, it's going to be like this all the 543 00:28:37,331 --> 00:28:37,712 way through. 544 00:28:37,712 --> 00:28:38,786 So just buckle up. 545 00:28:38,786 --> 00:28:39,580 gonna be like 546 00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:41,174 humble person and it's going to be like this all the way through. 547 00:28:41,174 --> 00:28:41,594 So just talk a lot. 548 00:28:41,594 --> 00:28:45,617 I also, when I was reading it, was thinking about the show and video game The 549 00:28:45,617 --> 00:28:52,521 Last of Us because Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey have that dad-daughter relationship 550 00:28:52,521 --> 00:28:54,502 even though they're not dad and daughter. 551 00:28:54,889 --> 00:28:58,251 And they're both in the book and the show. 552 00:28:58,331 --> 00:29:01,233 They're both in survival. 553 00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:05,636 So both of the dads are looking for themselves and they're distracted. 554 00:29:05,636 --> 00:29:07,778 But usually, they're not in style. 555 00:29:07,778 --> 00:29:09,298 And I'm looking for the mirror. 556 00:29:09,571 --> 00:29:18,996 And it's that kind of blinded, one-mission attitude that is just, I think, really 557 00:29:18,996 --> 00:29:23,038 refreshing and makes it more exciting because I'm like, these people don't 558 00:29:23,038 --> 00:29:23,838 think. 559 00:29:23,977 --> 00:29:24,938 these people just do. 560 00:29:24,938 --> 00:29:28,839 And this is a book that it's all about the bottom two. 561 00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:30,600 And it doesn't stop. 562 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,203 I know that a lot of people don't think they're not supposed to know about this, 563 00:29:35,203 --> 00:29:38,138 but the ability to do this on their own grief 564 00:29:38,138 --> 00:29:43,721 and the last line is so remarkable, I would say. 565 00:29:43,721 --> 00:29:46,423 So his acknowledgements are seven sentences. 566 00:29:46,763 --> 00:29:49,624 He does not thank a lot of specific people at all. 567 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:53,154 And his last line references Polly's... 568 00:29:53,154 --> 00:29:55,101 Teddy Bear for outspoken. 569 00:29:55,925 --> 00:30:01,789 So the last one that he did not just say, thanks to the bear, it isn't real, but is 570 00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:02,649 true. 571 00:30:04,146 --> 00:30:25,577 So I just know between me and my you know, probably in his life and as he may say, 572 00:30:25,577 --> 00:30:25,962 more. 573 00:30:26,098 --> 00:30:30,459 I was like, oh damn, like part of this is about him, something that he experienced 574 00:30:30,459 --> 00:30:34,340 or something that he wanted to communicate with people or maybe it's someone he 575 00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:35,961 knows, like you were saying before, 576 00:30:41,863 --> 00:30:45,065 If you thought the bear thing was weird and you weren't sure what was happening, 577 00:30:45,065 --> 00:30:47,747 it actually really matters to me. 578 00:30:47,868 --> 00:30:52,812 To only have a fourth of a page as your acknowledgments and have that be the 579 00:30:52,812 --> 00:30:53,753 ending, it does. 580 00:30:53,753 --> 00:30:55,793 It feels like an Easter egg in some weird way. 581 00:30:56,784 --> 00:31:02,088 um, everyone should read this book and message us about it because clearly we all 582 00:31:02,088 --> 00:31:06,432 really liked it, which is really nice because we just came off of an episode 583 00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:07,693 where we all hated the book. 584 00:31:07,693 --> 00:31:10,015 So I feel like this was a real win. 585 00:31:10,015 --> 00:31:11,636 I feel victorious. 586 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:13,858 We will be reading more Jordan Harper. 587 00:31:13,858 --> 00:31:16,200 You all should be reading all of the Jordan Harper. 588 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,141 We're big Jordan Harper fans now. 589 00:31:18,622 --> 00:31:22,045 Um, Jordan Harper, if you're listening to this, we would like you to come on our 590 00:31:22,045 --> 00:31:23,646 podcast and talk about the bear. 591 00:31:23,646 --> 00:31:23,846 Please. 592 00:31:23,846 --> 00:31:25,107 And thank you. 593 00:31:25,107 --> 00:31:25,747 Um, 594 00:31:26,381 --> 00:31:28,942 that you've done? 595 00:31:28,942 --> 00:31:29,060 Um. 596 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,089 Oh my god, why did you just make that sound? 597 00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:33,921 You just rolled your own eyes at yourself. 598 00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:35,256 Okay. 599 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,441 Let me go back. 600 00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:44,283 Last summer I started the Akatar series. 601 00:31:44,283 --> 00:31:48,766 I read for people who maybe haven't read the series, well I haven't read the whole 602 00:31:48,766 --> 00:31:52,629 series, I read the first four books I want to say in like two weeks. 603 00:31:53,209 --> 00:31:56,992 I had Zozo at the time, I was fostering a little Chihuahua, she had attachment 604 00:31:56,992 --> 00:31:57,793 issues. 605 00:31:57,793 --> 00:32:00,635 We sat on the couch every day and I just read all day long. 606 00:32:00,635 --> 00:32:02,155 So that's how I got through. 607 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,002 four books where I think three of them are over 500 pages. 608 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:10,667 The first book, A Court of Thorns and Roses, is basically a retelling of Beauty 609 00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:11,627 and the Beast. 610 00:32:12,348 --> 00:32:13,829 Would I recommend it? 611 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:14,890 I don't know. 612 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:17,913 If you're into fairies and you're into sauce, yes. 613 00:32:18,013 --> 00:32:19,475 I mean... 614 00:32:19,475 --> 00:32:19,885 Okay, 615 00:32:20,177 --> 00:32:20,679 so hard. 616 00:32:20,679 --> 00:32:21,660 Continue. 617 00:32:21,867 --> 00:32:23,762 I'm going to go get some water. 618 00:32:23,762 --> 00:32:29,630 it's Beauty and the Beast and Fairies and like a love romance situation between a 619 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:30,971 beast and a beauty. 620 00:32:31,092 --> 00:32:33,336 And I read five pages. 621 00:32:33,336 --> 00:32:35,387 I lasted five pages, Molly. 622 00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:39,787 because I did enjoy them at the time. 623 00:32:39,787 --> 00:32:41,490 They're not for everyone. 624 00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:46,447 But anyways, the sauce was good and some of the storytelling was fantastic. 625 00:32:46,447 --> 00:32:49,387 So I went to Barnes & Noble. 626 00:32:49,387 --> 00:32:51,487 She has two other series. 627 00:32:51,487 --> 00:32:58,380 I feel like right now I want to dive into a world and not come up for a number of 628 00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:59,067 books. 629 00:32:59,067 --> 00:33:02,492 I want to love the characters enough that I'm like, yes, I'll read another thousand 630 00:33:02,492 --> 00:33:04,174 pages about these characters. 631 00:33:04,427 --> 00:33:06,611 You could go back to Shatter Me then. 632 00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:08,697 Cause you liked that one, I thought. 633 00:33:08,697 --> 00:33:10,200 No, okay, nevermind. 634 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,184 Nevermind! 635 00:33:11,184 --> 00:33:13,684 I think I wanted more intrigue or action right now. 636 00:33:13,684 --> 00:33:18,866 So the so right now I'm reading Sarah J. 637 00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:25,888 Mass's throne of glass, which when I went up to the register, the helpful cashier 638 00:33:25,888 --> 00:33:28,288 was like, just want to give you a heads up. 639 00:33:28,749 --> 00:33:31,489 It's written like a 15 year old wrote it. 640 00:33:31,529 --> 00:33:32,770 And I was like, Okay, cool. 641 00:33:32,770 --> 00:33:34,725 Like I just kind of didn't really care. 642 00:33:34,725 --> 00:33:37,467 She had already brought up trigger warnings in the book. 643 00:33:37,467 --> 00:33:40,710 So she started with, do you know the trigger warnings? 644 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:45,914 Which I also had a book that had trigger warnings in that I'm pretty sure she said 645 00:33:45,914 --> 00:33:50,918 that and she's like, and as an aside, it's not written well because it's supposed to 646 00:33:50,918 --> 00:33:52,386 be a teenage girl. 647 00:33:52,386 --> 00:33:53,426 it's supposed to be a school girl. 648 00:33:53,426 --> 00:33:54,367 Here's the thing. 649 00:33:54,367 --> 00:33:57,489 I couldn't really tell you what this is about, because to me, it feels I'm. 650 00:33:57,489 --> 00:33:57,789 You're so good. 651 00:33:57,789 --> 00:34:01,191 It's not a good sign. 652 00:34:01,191 --> 00:34:01,931 No, I can. 653 00:34:01,931 --> 00:34:03,292 I'm 160 pages in. 654 00:34:03,292 --> 00:34:05,813 It just, I can't tell you. 655 00:34:05,813 --> 00:34:12,737 It's about a fictional world where this girl has been living in a prison camp 656 00:34:13,058 --> 00:34:14,738 working in mines. 657 00:34:15,071 --> 00:34:22,052 for the past year because she was raised as an assassin and she was like the number 658 00:34:22,052 --> 00:34:26,914 one assassin in the land, but she's a teenage girl. 659 00:34:27,874 --> 00:34:34,896 And she has now been picked to be a competitor in this competition that we 660 00:34:34,896 --> 00:34:39,497 don't really know why it's happening, but it's basically all criminals and thieves 661 00:34:39,497 --> 00:34:42,838 who are competing to basically be the champion of the king. 662 00:34:43,898 --> 00:34:44,718 Yes. 663 00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,393 But nothing is really happening. 664 00:34:46,393 --> 00:34:52,396 You know, if you just think about it, two or three competitions are just going to be 665 00:34:52,396 --> 00:34:53,296 able to die. 666 00:34:53,296 --> 00:34:53,936 It doesn't feel... 667 00:34:53,936 --> 00:34:58,029 I don't know if I'm being a little bit of a 668 00:34:58,029 --> 00:35:01,550 am exhausted and stressed, but it doesn't feel like anything. 669 00:35:02,191 --> 00:35:04,732 Hmm. 670 00:35:04,732 --> 00:35:05,373 Well, yeah. 671 00:35:05,373 --> 00:35:09,195 And also if it's a whole series, why would you read the next one if there's like 672 00:35:09,195 --> 00:35:10,516 nothing happening? 673 00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:12,717 Is there a romance happening? 674 00:35:13,348 --> 00:35:15,330 not yet, but I know that it's like world building. 675 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:19,231 Like I'm having to like understand all the different players and yeah. 676 00:35:19,231 --> 00:35:23,054 are plenty of books that world build and get a lot done in 160 pages. 677 00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:24,655 Divergent is like that. 678 00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:26,476 Hunger Games is like that. 679 00:35:26,476 --> 00:35:28,317 Fourth Wing is like that. 680 00:35:28,438 --> 00:35:30,158 Harry Potter is like that. 681 00:35:30,189 --> 00:35:30,890 Yeah. 682 00:35:31,875 --> 00:35:34,939 Well, maybe this wasn't the one. 683 00:35:34,939 --> 00:35:35,819 I don't know. 684 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:39,785 I'm going to go, I'm going to go back and say what I've been saying for like six 685 00:35:39,785 --> 00:35:44,631 months, you should read ninth house because the second one's already out and I 686 00:35:44,631 --> 00:35:50,177 have it and that is of the world that's built there is fascinating. 687 00:35:50,177 --> 00:35:50,518 is fascinating. 688 00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:51,098 Okay. 689 00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:53,491 More? 690 00:35:53,491 --> 00:35:56,813 finished, she read Shotgun at like midnight last night. 691 00:35:56,813 --> 00:36:01,996 So I had that fun moment where I was like, oh, I get to pick something new from the 692 00:36:01,996 --> 00:36:02,916 TBR. 693 00:36:03,757 --> 00:36:06,699 I didn't yet start this book, but I am excited to. 694 00:36:06,699 --> 00:36:11,921 It is called BFF, a memoir of friendship lost and found. 695 00:36:12,002 --> 00:36:17,645 I saw this book when I was at the Beacon Hill bookstore a couple of weeks ago. 696 00:36:17,645 --> 00:36:18,826 Truly just like an impulse thing. 697 00:36:18,826 --> 00:36:20,367 I saw it on a table and I was like, oh. 698 00:36:20,367 --> 00:36:21,227 What's that? 699 00:36:21,288 --> 00:36:23,290 It's written by Christy Tate. 700 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:27,456 Her previous book, which is called group, was a Reese's book club book. 701 00:36:27,456 --> 00:36:29,499 So I was like, oh, a vote of confidence. 702 00:36:29,499 --> 00:36:31,862 Um, that book is fiction. 703 00:36:31,862 --> 00:36:35,146 This book is not, but I do love a memoir. 704 00:36:35,146 --> 00:36:38,455 So I'm hopeful I'm going to start it tonight and I'll report back. 705 00:36:38,455 --> 00:36:38,992 with her and 706 00:36:39,723 --> 00:36:40,143 to talk to her. 707 00:36:40,143 --> 00:36:43,306 I was so excited to have this whole new state of awareness because I had to do 708 00:36:43,306 --> 00:36:48,630 this with my sister, and it didn't quite come in. 709 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:52,413 He had a brother come on the deck with him and he was like, he would because he has 710 00:36:52,413 --> 00:36:53,794 famous parents. 711 00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:58,428 Which I was like, I'm probably gonna have to talk to him because he... 712 00:36:58,428 --> 00:37:01,449 they're going to be seen together and there's going to be photographs and her 713 00:37:01,449 --> 00:37:03,169 parents are probably going to freak out. 714 00:37:03,169 --> 00:37:04,649 These are all my predictions. 715 00:37:05,330 --> 00:37:06,990 So that's been a nice layer. 716 00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:08,690 And then after that... 717 00:37:09,831 --> 00:37:12,467 I'm going to start spraying. 718 00:37:12,467 --> 00:37:15,951 because that's going to be, I think, our next episode. 719 00:37:15,951 --> 00:37:17,994 And that one's by Jessica Knoll. 720 00:37:17,994 --> 00:37:22,540 I didn't like her other book, so I'm hoping that this one is better because 721 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:23,861 Steph says it is. 722 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:28,352 I'm telling you, you're going to love it because it redeems. 723 00:37:28,992 --> 00:37:32,675 And it sounds like it's got like that TNT of the country, tailoring something like 724 00:37:32,675 --> 00:37:39,278 the eight-five, where it seems like based on a spiritual, but kind of fictionalized. 725 00:37:39,602 --> 00:37:43,045 it does feel similar and that it is like based off of events. 726 00:37:43,045 --> 00:37:50,451 We all know and can recall quite easily, but it's definitely way darker than 727 00:37:50,451 --> 00:37:51,672 anything Taylor Jenkins read. 728 00:37:51,672 --> 00:37:56,415 This was my first Jessica Nobok will talk about it more, but, um, I, after the first 729 00:37:56,415 --> 00:37:59,682 chapter, I was like, Oh, I'll be addicted to this. 730 00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:08,366 I would love to, I mean, it's indie bookstore weekend coming up and I just, I 731 00:38:08,366 --> 00:38:10,648 want to be in, I want to be in the throes of it. 732 00:38:10,648 --> 00:38:12,389 I've got the next Jordan Harper coming. 733 00:38:12,389 --> 00:38:14,891 I'm sorry, Jordan Harper, but it's coming from Amazon. 734 00:38:14,891 --> 00:38:17,113 I've got the next, I can't find it anywhere. 735 00:38:17,113 --> 00:38:19,215 I've looked at five regular bookstores. 736 00:38:20,308 --> 00:38:23,256 The second dot shows up, I'm probably going to drop everything and stay up all 737 00:38:23,256 --> 00:38:26,405 night and read it because that's who he is. 738 00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:28,381 Hope he's working on his fourth one. 739 00:38:28,381 --> 00:38:32,286 to follow along on everything that we're reading and to see all of the stuff we're 740 00:38:32,286 --> 00:38:36,571 doing for Indie Book Store Day and otherwise, you can follow us on Instagram 741 00:38:36,571 --> 00:38:37,953 at PlansAreBooked. 742 00:38:37,953 --> 00:38:41,718 If you want to suggest a book you'd like us to chat about, you can write to us at 743 00:38:41,718 --> 00:38:43,439 PlansAreBooked at gmail.com. 744 00:38:44,474 --> 00:38:47,533 And until next time, our plans are booked.