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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Chris and this is Jeff and we

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<v Speaker 1>are your hosts for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna do the best we can. We're not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna mail it in. This is the last one we

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<v Speaker 3>have this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do the best we can on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wee all right, all right. We are in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a series about dangerous prayers, and today it is

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<v Speaker 1>faith doubt and the Dad who prayed both. How about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good that's a good title. That'll preach man.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get through that, we have all segment.

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<v Speaker 3>The most important segment of our show every time. Our

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<v Speaker 3>fans love it more than anything else. We did one

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<v Speaker 3>last week. Yeah, we're gonna do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>What made Chris mad this week? And for longtime listeners,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't know, Chris isn't just a man raging

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<v Speaker 3>all day every day. No, Chris is a man who

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<v Speaker 3>finds himself offended on behalf of all of the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of humanity, yes, for the poor performance of others.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with that being in the back of our.

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<v Speaker 1>Minds, Well, that's assuming that I'm mad at a person. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So because I sometimes I get mad at things and

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<v Speaker 1>today is actually not, I'm not mad at a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Tempted to say that I'm mad at I'm just mad

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<v Speaker 1>at the way that things are. Somebody might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, maybe are you mad at God? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at God today, and am I mad

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<v Speaker 1>at mankind? I don't think I'm mad at mankind. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm just mad that the dynamics that I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to complain about just exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so this is a this is your negative

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<v Speaker 3>side of Jerry Seinfeld's.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up with that? Yeah, that's right, Okay, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I am angry that the human body is so fragile

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<v Speaker 1>and that the smallest thing can take you down. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, so, you know, think about your entire body

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<v Speaker 1>and a splinter. Yes, a single splinter can take you down.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it can hurt. It doesn't take me down, but

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<v Speaker 3>it aggravates you.

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<v Speaker 1>It can depending on the splinter aggravates you. But it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely aggravates you, right, and it'll it'll, it'll put you out, it'll, it'll,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll prevent you from doing everything that you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, and so the human body. Think about how

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<v Speaker 1>many things that mankind has invented that can kill the

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<v Speaker 1>human Oh yeah, right, it is so easy.

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<v Speaker 2>We are on a razor's edge of life all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time we get in our car, on the razor's

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<v Speaker 1>edge of life. Yes, there are things.

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<v Speaker 3>We're hurtling down the road at seventy miles an hour

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<v Speaker 3>in a in a mollow metal box, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and and and so think about how many things

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<v Speaker 1>can cut you even I mean just the skin is

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<v Speaker 1>so I could get hurt. Now, fall off off.

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<v Speaker 2>Bite your own tongue with your own teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, yes, yes, you feel like you've been shot, right,

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<v Speaker 4>don't you. You bite your own tongue, and you can't

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<v Speaker 4>for just a split second, can't figure out what just happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, what just happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The human body is so fragile. This is it, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the reason why I'm saying, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>mad at God for making us fragile. So it's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think. I don't think my anger is at God,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I'm also mad at mankind for

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<v Speaker 1>inventing vehicles and metal things that can slice the right right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like but like I said, like if I

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<v Speaker 1>had an accident and and this, uh, this this chair

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<v Speaker 1>on wheels where to just flip, I can have a concussion, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's like if I hit my head

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, so, what is the current fragility that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>I cracked a molar?

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<v Speaker 2>You cracked? I think, I think so. I think so,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's hurting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hurting, and I think, uh, and so what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is I've actually cracked. I think I grind my teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I know I do, and the doctor gave

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<v Speaker 1>me one of those things that I don't wear, and

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<v Speaker 3>But I've cracked lost everybody that the doctors have given

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<v Speaker 3>those two don't wear them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it's really difficult for me to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can get used to it. But the

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, I've cracked two molars in the past, and

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<v Speaker 1>and so I know the pain of cracking a molar

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, of course it's just removal extraction,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have to get implants and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I cracked my third molar, uh just

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday because I was eating something and and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I hit it and I heard like a and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt a tremendous amount of pain. I thought, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hairline fracture because it doesn't hurt as bad

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<v Speaker 1>today because because some other ones were actually like wide open,

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<v Speaker 1>loose kind of tooth. But anyway, but I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>ge whiz, like how many nerve endings are in your mouth?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like just a toothache can just like kill somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>The question I'm gonna ask want to get to heaven

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<v Speaker 3>is why the nerve endings in our teeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Right right?

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<v Speaker 3>That feels like a bad idea to me. Some some

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<v Speaker 3>angel is up there going watch this. He's in there.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got his big thick glasses on. You know those

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<v Speaker 3>guys that work on micro chips and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got those big guy fix and story. He's watch

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<v Speaker 2>this and he's just wiring every tooth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, they touched that one baby, they're just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go off with because that's the other one is no toothache.

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<v Speaker 3>And suddenly like you feel like again you got shot

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<v Speaker 3>in the face, right right. You can't figure out what

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<v Speaker 3>happened man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although, were you implying that angels made mankind?

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<v Speaker 2>Designing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Designing?

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<v Speaker 3>What if what if God delegated a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 3>design stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh delegation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so he's delegating all these all right, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to design teeth and I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to design what.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't it say that God formed man from the dust

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<v Speaker 1>of the ground. Yeah, so you think that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a complex, long.

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<v Speaker 3>Design, well, like uh, like the Renaissance painter. In the

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<v Speaker 3>Renaissance sculptors would have teams of people. They would design things,

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<v Speaker 3>and then teams of people would help make the models

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<v Speaker 3>before they actually went and made the thing, because they

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<v Speaker 3>only have one shot at that chunk of marble. So

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<v Speaker 3>they practice on all these on all these on all

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<v Speaker 3>these these these other things.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like, it reminds me of.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't diminish God that if he used others to

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<v Speaker 3>It reminds you would it would it would it was

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect creator.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was just gonna say, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, like you picture you picture painted

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of like do you ever see endgame game? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Marbles game, Yeah, where where Vision is up in Wakanda

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<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to remove the mindstone from him and

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh and so all those lights show everything

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, brother, there's a trill, there's at least

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<v Speaker 1>a trillion connections, and she's removing every wire by by

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<v Speaker 1>by hand. That these are the nerve endings in our teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's exactly right. It'd be terrible, so any terrible terrible. Yeh.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am angry at the fact that the human

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<v Speaker 1>body is actually no match for almost everything that exists.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the most fragile thing ever, and I you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm angry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're angry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, Chris, right now, I'm angry for my tooth.

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<v Speaker 3>You're showing compassion, yeah, in a way, yes, showing compassion

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<v Speaker 3>to all of humanity for our fragility.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I wish we were like, you know, like more

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<v Speaker 1>resilient and we had like an armor that could resist

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<v Speaker 1>so many things, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet we are resilient. That's what's weird. People live through

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<v Speaker 3>the most bizarre things and you die from the weirdest things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, It's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, well, thank you Chris for that. You want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about a struggle and resilience. This guy in

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<v Speaker 3>Mark chapter in Mark chapter nine. We've talked about this

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<v Speaker 3>passage a couple of times. It's one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>passages in the Bible, of interactions of humans.

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<v Speaker 2>With Jesus, you know, people with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, though, I'm actually convinced that every passage

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<v Speaker 1>is one of your favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>But this one is.

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<v Speaker 3>This one is particularly I'm fond of because of the idea,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm introduced here? You know why I

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<v Speaker 2>say that of this Why because I say it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, but even more so when you say it.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to take note of it. So I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he likes this one. And then I'll be like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember your favorite passage, and then you'll say it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, he likes these two, And now I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>He likes these thirty three thousand verses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm like, I just I'm this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite I use this a lot when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sharing the gospel. Yeah, because people struggle with how

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<v Speaker 3>much faith is enough faith?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So today the idea is faith doubt and the Dad

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<v Speaker 3>who prayed both.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what it says.

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<v Speaker 3>In Mark, chapter nine, verse fourteen says when they returned

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<v Speaker 3>to the other disciples, they saw a large crowd surrounding them,

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<v Speaker 3>and some teachers of religious law were arguing with them.

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<v Speaker 3>And when the crowd saw Jesus, they were overwhelmed with

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<v Speaker 3>awe and they ran to greet him. What is all

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<v Speaker 3>this arguing about, Jesus asked, Am I the right spot?

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<v Speaker 3>I am, Yeah, You're in the right spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the men in the crowd spoke up and said, teacher,

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<v Speaker 3>I brought my son so you could heal him. He's

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<v Speaker 3>possessed by an evil spirit that won't let him talk.

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<v Speaker 3>And whenever this spirit seizes him, it throws him violently

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<v Speaker 3>to the ground, and then he foams at the mouth

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<v Speaker 3>and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>they couldn't do it. Jesus said to them, you faithless people,

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<v Speaker 3>And so they brought the boy. But when the evil

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<v Speaker 3>spirit saw Jesus, that threw the child into a violent convulsion,

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<v Speaker 3>the boy's father. He replied, since he was a little boy.

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<v Speaker 3>The spirit often throws him into the fire into water,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to kill him. Have mercy on us and help

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus asked, Anything is possible if a person believes. The

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<v Speaker 3>overcome my unbelief. And when Jesus saw that the crowd

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I command you to come out of this

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<v Speaker 3>child and never again enter him. Then the spirit screamed

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<v Speaker 3>and threw the boy into another violent convulsion and left him,

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<v Speaker 3>and the boy appeared to be dead. A murmur ran

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<v Speaker 3>through the crowd as people said, he's dead, But Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>we cast out that evil spirit? And Jesus replied, this

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<v Speaker 3>kind can be cast out only by prayer. Remember when

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about this a while ago. Yes, only by prayer, prayer, fasting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and guess what you did, the same thing that

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. When you read this verse, you it says, so,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what the verse says. It says, the boy appeared

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<v Speaker 1>he stood up. And here's how you read it. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>the boy appeared to be dead, a murmur ran through

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I was like, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I know, And you didn't realize it last time.

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<v Speaker 2>The story, Man, this is good story.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right there with it. Man, it says, it says,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a murmur right, He's dead. Pass it on.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're reading, do you do you see the story?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Are you kidding me? Did you even ask me that?

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<v Speaker 1>I see everything?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>My mind's eye just goes to everything, every reaction, every

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<v Speaker 1>facial expression. Which is why I see life as a movie. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I see zoom in's, I hear scores. I hear scores

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<v Speaker 3>When when I watch movies on the screen, I like them.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I watch a movie on the screenel like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sitting outside of this really cool story. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm in a theater. I don't feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>But when I read, that's the opposite of me. When

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<v Speaker 2>I read, I feel like I'm in the story.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, Probably it's because I grew up that

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<v Speaker 3>to you, I was going to say, probably go to

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, we could all go to the

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<v Speaker 1>counselor and he could probably explain this, right, the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain or the developmental years and and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. You're what is that hippocampus whatever is that called?

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, but it's a it really is it. I

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<v Speaker 1>learned about this in counseling a long time ago when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the strength of your experiences during those

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<v Speaker 1>formative years, especially in your brain and U and I

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<v Speaker 1>will bet you that it's just that your experience was

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<v Speaker 1>such because you know, the bottom mine is. I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that way about books, right, because you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>read a good book, and especially if it's like nonfiction or.

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<v Speaker 3>You were a big comic book guy, so you're reading

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<v Speaker 3>books with pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I say those are visuals, right, yeah, so those,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, didn't require my imagination as much.

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<v Speaker 2>You still had to read it though, if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take in the story, yeah, for sure read it.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly well, I mean I read books too, but

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<v Speaker 1>the ratio between movies and reading for me as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid was like one hundred to one, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was always.

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<v Speaker 2>More me too, but it was the other way around, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, That's what I'm saying. And so I'm saying, I

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<v Speaker 1>bet you it's just that's what your brain it was

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<v Speaker 1>developed that way, because I can't imagine being in a

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<v Speaker 1>really great movie and not feeling like you're in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>When my dad died, he left me his entire Louis Lamore, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Cowboy book collection. It's one hundred and ten novels or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He had the whole set.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I've just started at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 3>second series I started. So I've always got one of

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<v Speaker 3>my nightstand I'll read for a little bit, for a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, And yeah, it's amazing because I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>reading all that stuff, you know, and you just imagine

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<v Speaker 3>in your head, you know. Also, that's what happened on

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<v Speaker 3>that story. Yeah, that's what I was, just in the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well in the uh. And by the way, that

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<v Speaker 1>probably explains a lot about even the art that we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, right, we talk about videos and all these

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things. Whereas I always find myself in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I cry, right, I could. I could

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<v Speaker 1>watch a thirty second clip and be completely immersed. I

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<v Speaker 1>am in that clip and I will literally cry based

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<v Speaker 1>on the emotion that's being conveyed, and I think, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they did their job right, they drew me in. I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was feeling everything that that person was feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's I get caught up in it because.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tear up on occasion. Sure, sure that that'll happen,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not. I don't throw myself at a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>When I approach a movie, I approach it like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sitting in a theater and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>On the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I cried during Aspirin commercials.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so anyways, Hey, let's cry about this guy's son.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure, probably get to that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, so so you know this guy we again,

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked. It feels like we just talked about it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I love how Jesus is asking questions like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is this all? What is this arguing about? Now? I

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<v Speaker 1>think Jesus knew what the arguing was about, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that he knew.

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<v Speaker 3>This feels more like a parent walk in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on in here? That's what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right, right? And and he says, you faithless people,

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<v Speaker 1>how long must I be with you? How long lest

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<v Speaker 1>I put up with you? Bring the board to me?

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<v Speaker 1>That that is amazing. How Jesus responds to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the disciples couldn't cast out the evil spirit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because Jesus has told them time and time again. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about this last time, but Jesus has told

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<v Speaker 1>them time and time again, if you have the faith

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<v Speaker 1>of a mustard seed, you can move mountains, You could

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<v Speaker 1>do great things, right, you can? You can? And he

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<v Speaker 1>says you faithless people. Now, do you think he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to disciples or do you think he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring the boy to him disciples?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think so too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that he's talking to the disciples. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's interesting, isn't it. So think about that because

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't camp on this last time. So when Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>tells us to believe and have trust, don't you think

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<v Speaker 1>that that applies to for instance, let's just say somebody

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<v Speaker 1>is having a hard time giving financially, right, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet they have seen God provide in the past. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you think that Jesus would show up and say, you

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<v Speaker 1>faithless people, how much more do I have to do

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<v Speaker 1>in your life to prove that I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah? I good point, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think sometimes we try to rely on Yesterday's

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<v Speaker 3>victories and think, well, I was ready for that battle before, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for all battles forever now.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the Disciples two pages before cast out demons in

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<v Speaker 3>chapter six, So they did cast out demons before. Now

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<v Speaker 3>they can't cast this demon out. So I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>we're a tempted to think that religious experience took me

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<v Speaker 3>to a new level, and now that's my permanent level.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we're not constantly maintaining and building, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>stay where we're at spiritually. We slide back. And in

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<v Speaker 3>the Baptist world we are backsliders, right right, So you

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<v Speaker 3>automatically slide back from where you were at sparsely with God,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not actively leaning in and moving towards him,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't just maintain. This is true in relationships too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true in your marriage. Your marriage does not go stagnant.

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<v Speaker 3>Your marriage goes backwards if you're not moving forward. Sure, right,

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<v Speaker 3>in most things, it's not just a flatline.

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<v Speaker 2>You achieve a level, and now that's the new level.

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<v Speaker 2>You slip backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the Disciples we're out casting out demons and

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<v Speaker 3>sharing the gospel in chapter six and now here in

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<v Speaker 3>chapter nine they can't cast out this demon. So sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>you can rely on a previous experience in your life,

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<v Speaker 3>a previous mountaintop moment, and think you're still that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember when Samson got up and shook himself off, was ready,

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<v Speaker 3>and then found out he didn't have any.

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<v Speaker 2>Power, right, Right?

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even know the powered left him, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the powered left him.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is kind of maybe what happened with

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<v Speaker 3>the disciples is this is the big lesson that they

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<v Speaker 3>learned that if you are going to maintain spiritual power,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to have spiritual power, you have.

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<v Speaker 2>To maintain it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why Jesus said, you guys haven't been praying

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<v Speaker 3>and fasting, have you. That's essentially what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of my best friends for the past twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years is Dave Wilson who's on our staff. And David

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<v Speaker 1>Ann have a very famous saying, and they say, either

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<v Speaker 1>in your marriage, because you said it's like a marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>either you're working toward oneness and if you're not working

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<v Speaker 1>toward oneness, you're drifting toward isolation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that great? It's a great concept for a marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Either you're working or drifting. I like the intentionality of

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<v Speaker 1>the words working versus drifting. Right, it's almost coincides with

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<v Speaker 1>your sliding back illustration. That's slighting thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So either you're working toward you know, and some preacher

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of, some preachers I've heard say when Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>has follow me, Jesus walks, and so when you stop,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a greater distance between you and God. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>either you're actively pursuing him and you're actively following him,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you just stop and you become stagnant, then

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna you're going to be further away. Right, Because

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<v Speaker 1>God's actively moving, God's on mission, right, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>join him and follow him in life. So that's just great.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love the fact that this father had had

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<v Speaker 3>the sense maybe it was desperation, and many of us,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, come to Jesus out of desperation. But he

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<v Speaker 3>came hoping maybe Jesus can do something. And then he

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<v Speaker 3>says if you can, which on one side means maybe

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<v Speaker 3>you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But the effort it would take to to bring your deaf,

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<v Speaker 3>mute son who throws himself violently and is just out

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<v Speaker 3>of control, the effort it would take to get him

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<v Speaker 3>out of the house, bringing through the town find Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very substantial amount of work. Anybody who's had

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with people who are out of unable to

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<v Speaker 3>control themselves, you know how difficult that is to manage.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he believed that Jess enough that he was

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<v Speaker 3>willing to take the chance. And then Jesus goes, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean if I can? It's the coolest phrase.

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<v Speaker 3>I always think of it, almost a cowboy kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of a thing. It's almost it almost feels

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<v Speaker 3>like a double dog dare to Jesus, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>mean if I can't? Of course I can. But he says,

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<v Speaker 3>everything is possible if you believe. And this is why

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the guy had had a significant amount

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<v Speaker 3>of belief. He says, I do believe.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing all morning? I got him clothed, I've got him

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<v Speaker 3>calmed down, I got him through the crowd and all

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<v Speaker 3>the way to you, and all of a sudden, the

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<v Speaker 3>demons take over again. I'm trying to get some help

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<v Speaker 3>from you, guys. I believe enough to come here and ask.

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<v Speaker 3>And he says, but then help my unbelief, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I've almost given up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have doubts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it sounds to me like he's saying, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I've almost completely given up. If you can't do it,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody can do it. I've just about given up. So

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<v Speaker 3>he's willing to admit that he's he has some doubts,

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<v Speaker 3>He's willing to admit that he's at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>his rope, he said, willing to admit that I have

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere else to turn. So this is why I'm here, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about? And I think most of

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<v Speaker 3>us feel like if we came to God that way, God,

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<v Speaker 3>I have nowhere else to turn. I'm but ready to

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<v Speaker 3>give up. I don't even I hope you can do

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<v Speaker 3>something about this. Yes, that's kind of what. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>you can because nobody else can. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>ever wonder how much faith does it take to get

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus to move on your behalth It's enough to show

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<v Speaker 3>up and ask. If you have enough faith to show

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<v Speaker 3>up and ask, Jesus will move on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I love how this is recorded in the

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<v Speaker 1>scripture because it sort of gives us permission to see

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus and how he responds to somebody who's who's vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>enough to say, yeah, I do have doubts, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't say I can't believe you didn't have doubts.

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<v Speaker 1>He just says anything is possible for those who believe, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, Jesus doesn't scold him for his unbelief.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this man comes to Jesus and says, I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe, right, So the challenge is, hey believe and

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<v Speaker 1>he says I do, but please help me in my unbelief.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Jesus doesn't scold him. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to understand that you don't have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>super Christian. It's exactly what you just said, just enough

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<v Speaker 1>faith to go to go and ask. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>okay to admit that you're a skeptic. It's also okay

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<v Speaker 1>to admit that, hey, that's a fault that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have some doubts. I don't know why I w

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't there. But God, you know me, You already

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<v Speaker 1>know this. You already know that I doubt. Please help

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<v Speaker 1>me with my doubts. And I think that you know

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I feel terribly guilty all the time. That

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a skeptic. You know that, right, Maybe maybe you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't say it often enough. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible skeptic. I don't know why. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm wired that way. I have thirty three years

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty four years of being a pastor. Technically, I

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<v Speaker 1>was a pastor before I was married, and and then

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<v Speaker 1>and then even a few more years than that than

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<v Speaker 1>being a Christian. So most of my life I've been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in this. And yet I'll hear people say things

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll say, oh, this miraculous story happened, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say did it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did it? Though? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and and I don't know why that's

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<v Speaker 1>my first reaction. And even though that, I'll it may

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<v Speaker 1>be a millisecond and then I'll just I'll get over

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<v Speaker 1>it and then I'll believe. Right, But my first reaction

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<v Speaker 1>is always skepticism.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Bible says to test the spirits, right, to

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<v Speaker 3>test and see whether or not the claims that are

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<v Speaker 3>being made are true. Not everything is from God, and

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<v Speaker 3>God's not the only one who does miracles. Satan does

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of crazy things, right, right, So it is

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<v Speaker 3>fair for us to when somebody steps up that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know entirely the story and they make some giant

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual claim. It's not unreasonable for us to test to

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<v Speaker 3>see is this the true spiritual claim? Because if you

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<v Speaker 3>just believe a miracle, but you're not testing to see

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<v Speaker 3>where did it come from? And is this consistent with

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<v Speaker 3>what we know about God, you can It's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that can lead whole people groups astray. It's

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<v Speaker 3>because some miracle happened, you know, because the devil will

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<v Speaker 3>also do amazing things, and so a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>skepticisms there is. Okay, I don't think you have to

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<v Speaker 3>feel guilty about that, but it's doubting God is the

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<v Speaker 3>challenge for us sometimes when that happens too. Sometimes, I mean, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>even people like you and me, you have these moments

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<v Speaker 3>when we go God, I just I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>many more times I need to pray about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Maybe you just don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>Read through the Book of We've spent quite a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of time in the Psalms, and we will over the

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<v Speaker 3>next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And David all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>There's several times when David goes, I don't even feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you're paying attention to me. Why is it that

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<v Speaker 3>my enemies are prospering and I'm the one suffering, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, you're not paying attention and so, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's just the normal, I think, a human response. And

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<v Speaker 3>God doesn't get mad at David there, that's right. God

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<v Speaker 3>just shows himself to David. So how much does it

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<v Speaker 3>take to get God to move on your behalf? Enough

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<v Speaker 3>faith to just go and ask him to But what

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<v Speaker 3>you find here is there's a desperation. This isn't enough

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<v Speaker 3>faith to go ask God? Hey, God, would you give

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<v Speaker 3>me a Mercedes?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? This is God.

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<v Speaker 3>I've turned everywhere and i don't know where else to go,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm at my wits end and I need you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a desperation in this Dad.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's that desperation combined with enough guts

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<v Speaker 3>and faith to ask that's when God shows up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm desperate for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a great place to end. That's our time.

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<v Speaker 1>So hopefully we will see you on Monday as you

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<v Speaker 1>tune in for another episode of the Bubble Guys.