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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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the Bible Guys. We are excited
today. It's good to be here.

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Yes, and we are continuing with
the story of Moses. Yes, and

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we are amazed that you came back
after yesterday's episode. I'm so sorry.

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And by the way, if you
missed yesterday's episode, I highly recommend that

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you at least watch it or listen
to it because that was a very unusual.

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We laughed a lot yesterday. Yeah, we did all right. Well.

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Today, before we get into Moses, we have a segment called would

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you rather? Which I like these, don't you? Yes? It just

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gives us a choice and we just
have to pick one, whatever our preference.

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We've already done would you rather?
Didn't we? Oh? Did we?

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Yeah? We did? Would you
rather? Yesterday? Oh? My

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bad? Yeah? Yeah, I
think it's most likely. It is most

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likely. I just said it wrong. Okay, okay, so I had

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to screw down further. So who's
most likely? Here we go, ready,

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who's most likely to survive a zombie
apocalypse? Me? It's definite.

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Me. It's definitely because why you
have weaponry? Yes, I have way

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more weaponry than you. Yes,
I have zero weaponry. Yep, I

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have my kitchen steak knives. Yes, I was. I was. My

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daughter wanted the data guy. He's
a good guy, but I didn't know

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him. And I said, hey, I have to meet him or he

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can't date you. And so she
finally opened the door. I had just

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come back from my place where I
hunt. I'd sighted in all my guns,

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so my whole table was covered and
guns. When when he walked in,

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all hunting guns. I was cleaning
them and I said, sit down,

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John, let me ask you.
What are your intents with my daughter?

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You know, he's all intimidated,
and I told him, I said,

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I just need you know I'm not
afraid to go back to prison.

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I got a whole table full of
Yeah. Yeah, so it's great.

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I think I would survive. The
didn't even plan. I didn't know what

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was happening, right, It was
totally a random thing. It was.

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It was like a gift from heaven. Gift from heaven when he walked in.

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So it's great. Yeah, all
right, it's number two who's most

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likely to talk to animals if they
could understand them. You me, definitely

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you yeah, yeah. Why is
that because you already talk to animals and

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you can't understand them? Is it
true? Yes, of course it's true.

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It's so true. And I get
it from my wife. Honestly.

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It's thirty two years of being with
her and it is it is her talking

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to animals, and so we do
the same thing. It's so funny.

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Oh my goodness, that is so
good. Number three who's most likely to

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be caught talking to themselves? This
is a tough one. Yeah. I

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think we're sort of the same.
I talk to myself, do you Yeah?

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Then I have to say you yeah, yeah, because I don't really

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talk to myself. Well, it's
hard to find interesting people to talk to,

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So I just talked to the best
choice. Sometimes I'm just the bench

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choice. That's right, all right. Number four? Who's most likely to

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binge watch an entire season of TV
a TV show in one day? You?

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Yeah, by far Me, by
far Me. Now I've done it.

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I have done it, have you? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,

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but so I've just been binge watched
the entire ten seasons of Blacklist. Oh

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in a very short amount of time. Wow, and each of those have

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like twenty five episodes, right,
and there's just a long season sixty minutes

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long. And uh, and I
got from We'll put it you this way.

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Uh, it's I started it when
you and Chad mentioned it. Oh

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wow, yeah, so I think
two months ago, two months ago.

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Yeah, I just burned through them. Yeah. Uh and so yeah for

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sure. And then number five,
who's most likely to accidentally walk into a

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glass door? Well, I've walked
into a glass door several times. I

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several times. Yes, Well,
I'm gonna have to go with you then.

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Yeah. Although my instinct was to
say me, I, well I

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I actually now that I'm I was
gonna say me, but now I'm changing

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answer to you, But my instinct
was the same because I couldn't picture you

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walking into a glass door. Yeah. I've walked into a glass door several

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times. Wow. Yeah, I
was in I don't think I've ever know

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this. So the reason why I
was so quick to say that is we

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were staying at quite a nice hotel
Inn Sri Lanka last week and this happened

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last week last week, and it
was one of those ones that go round

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and round and round. Yeah.
Yeah, the rotating doors like the rotating

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door it was, and uh,
I didn't see they had a sign up

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that we need to go out one
of the other doors they were doing maintenance

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on it locked it. I hit
my It was a full flat face and

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when I stepped back, you could
see where my face hit the glass.

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Wow. So okay, so I
probably have walked into a glass door maybe

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sometime in my life, but I
can't even remember it. Yeah, no,

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I'm serious. It happened literally last
week. So so regardless of my

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answer, the true answer is you
yeah. And this was we had a

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special meeting in the city and we
were staying at a very nice hotel.

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So everything about it was embarrassing.
Everything people were calling to me. I

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was talking, which is terrible,
and I wasn't paying attention. People were

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calling to me the like the doorman
and stuff, trying to get my attention,

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and I'm ignoring them because I'm trying
to finish my sentence. And I

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turn around and bam right into the
glass because the thing wasn't turning. So,

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in other words, the worst case
scenario. Yeah, everybody's watching,

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they're calling out to me. It's
all these rich people standing around. It's

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a swinky place. Yeah, the
whole thing, right, yep, So

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I've done an It's like Michael Scott
falling into the coy pond. There you

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go. So all right, So
that that wraps up that segment. And

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so we are going to be moving
on to the plagues of Egypt. Dun

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Dun, dun dung. And this
is big man, this is these next

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several chapters. We're not going to
read every verse in every chapter here,

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but these next several chapters are so
apocalyptic, like their movie worthy. Every

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element is its own could be its
own movie, right, but hey,

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that'd be cool. Snakes on a
plane. We should know. We should

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talk to some of our movie producer
friends and get them to make disaster movies

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of all ten of these things.
Oh there you go. Yeah, it'd

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be like just this ongoing it'd be
like the Marvel Universe. Yeah, yeah,

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movies leading up to the culination exactly. Okay, anyways, here we

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go. I'm gonna read five verses
out of Exodus five and then we'll jump

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to Exodus chapter seven. It says, after this presentation to Israel's leaders,

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Moses goes and tells all the israel
Israelite leaders, Hey, God, sent

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me, and they believe him.
Right. But then after this presentation to

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Israel's leaders, Moses and Aaron went
and spoke to Pharaoh. They told him,

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this is what the Lord, God
of Israel says. Let my people

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go so they may hold a festival
in my honor in the wilderness. Is

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that so, retorted Pharaoh? And
who is the Lord? Why should I

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listen to him and let Israel go? I don't know the Lord, and

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I'll not let Israel go. But
Aaron and Moses persisted. The God of

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the Hebrews has met with us,
they declared, So let us take a

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three day journey into the wilderness so
we could offer sacrifices to the Lord,

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our god. If we don't,
he will kill us with a plague or

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with the sword. Pharaoh replied Moses
and Aaron, why are you distracting the

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people from their tasks? Get back
to work. Look, there are many

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of your people in the land,
and you're stopping them from their work.

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So then Pharah gets mad, right, and he makes the work harder.

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Yeah, well, he actually refuses
to give them straw and says, hey,

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try making bricks without straw, And
so they back to a binding agent

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right, Yeah, the binder,
and so they had to make bricks without

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straw. And then therefore, what
he was really trying to do is he

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was trying to get the people to
turn on Moses, right, and so

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by punishing the people. But it
turns out that the people supported Moses more

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because after all, he was their
spokesman, he was their champion. So

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then in chapter six, God tells
Moses, now you'll see what I'll do

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to Pharaoh when he feels the force
of my strong hand to let the people

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go. In fact, he'll force
them to leave his land. But they

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just can't imagine how it's going to
happen. And then finally you get to

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chapter seven and in verse fourteen,
it says, then the Lord said to

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Moses, Pharaoh's heart is stubborn,
and he still refuses to let the people

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go. So go to Pharaoh in
the morning as he goes down to the

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river, and stand on the bank
of the Nile and meet him there.

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Be sure to take along the staff
that turned into a snake, and then

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announce to him, the Lord,
the God of the Hebrews, has sent

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me to tell you let my people
go so they can worship me in the

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wilderness. Until now you've refused to
listen to him. So this is what

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the Lord says. I will show
you that I am the Lord. Look,

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I will strike the water of the
Nile with this staff in my hand,

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and the river will turn to blood. The fish in it will die,

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and the river will stink. The
Egyptians will not be able to drink

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any water from the Nile. Then
the Lord said to Moses, tell Aarin,

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take your staff and raise your hand
over the waters of Egypt, all

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at its rivers and canals and ponds, and all the reservoirs. Turn all

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the water to blood. Wherever everywhere
in Egypt, the water will turn to

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blood, even the water stored in
wooden bowls and stone pots. So Moses

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and Aaron did just as the Lord
commanded them, And as Pharaoh and all

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of his officials watched, Aaron raised
his staff and struck the water the Nile.

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Suddenly the whole river turned to blood. The fish and the river died,

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and the water became so foul that
the Egyptians couldn't drink it. There

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was blood everywhere throughout the land of
Egypt. But again the magicians of Egypt

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used their magic, and they too, turned water into blood. So Pharaoh's

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heart remained hard. He refused to
listen to Moses and Aaron. Just as

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the Lord had predicted, Pharaoh returned
to his palace and put the whole thing

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out of his mind. Then all
the Egyptians dug along the riverbank to find

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drinking water, for they couldn't drink
the water from the Nile. Seven days

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passed from the time the Lord struck
the Nile. Seven days, seven days,

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And you can't go without water for
more than what four days, three

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days, three days? Yeah,
yeah, And I mean that's the extreme.

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Yeah yeah. And so so they
were digging for water and apparently they

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were able to find water digging apparently, right, Yeah, So all the

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existing water, including all the water
stored in homes, all the water stored

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in reservoirs, and he struck it
in the Nile. And we've been to

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the Nile, right, So the
Noile River is quite large, and it's

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fierce. It's raging, right,
and not raging in terms of waves,

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but in those in those days,
it would flood quite often, right,

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could flood its banks. And yeah, yeah, well, I just mean

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raging in terms of its current.
Oh, it's a strong current. Yeah,

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it's a really strong current. And
so and so he you know,

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he holds up the staff and everything
turns. The blood and by the way,

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blood, think about that's gross,
the consistency of blood, right,

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so, you know, and just
the poor fish, right, so as

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hot as it is in Egypt,
even during the so the smell of rotting

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fish and everything else that's in the
river is that's just gross. But the

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river is about three thousand miles long, and all of the people live within

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just a few miles of the river, so it's about in some spots it's

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about seven miles out on either side
of the river is where the majority of

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the people live. They built canals
and they go out and water their gardens

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and their farms. It's really green. It's like this belt of green.

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It's really beautiful. But the life
of Egypt is and always has been the

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Nile River. And so they worshiped
the Nile like it was a god.

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And so for God to go after
literally the lifeblood of Egypt by turning it

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into blood, undrinkable, killing everything
in it. So the other thing is

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every little restaurant serves fish, right. The amount of seafood that is eaten

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in Egypt is unbelievable. It's a
tremendous amount of fish, fish, which

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is one of the main protein sources. And so he kills the food and

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the water right all in one day
and it lasts for seven days. But

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the most astounding thing is in the
same way, Pharaoh goes, who is

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this God? I don't know him, I don't know the Lord right then,

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and this one, the Bible literally
says, Pharaoh returned to his palace

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and put the whole thing out of
his mind. Well, because his magicians

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did it. Yeah, they could
turn water into blood. Yeah, and

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so what do you make of that? Yeah? So witchcraft, magician like,

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sorcery like that's that's apparently that's a
thing. The Bible says it's a

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thing. So so are you.
I've always been taught that any supernatural power

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that exists that isn't from God is
demonic, is demonic. Yeah. Yeah,

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so we believe that, don't we. Yeah? So I if this

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was a so they're magicians, right, And so there's a difference between a

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magician and a sorcerer or a witch
or you know, a witch doctor.

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So it could have just been a
trick because if you remember we didn't read

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this passage. But when when Moses
uses his staff and turns it into a

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snake, so do they right?
But even now there are some snakes that

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you can charm into being rigid and
straight. Right, And so they might

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have just pulled off a trick where
Moses didn't. Moses did a miracle.

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God did a miracle through Moses.
The magicians could have done a trick to

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have duplicated that one and then this
one too. Hey, a little bit

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of red dye, right, something
to fool, a slight of hand to

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fool the pharaoh. Somehow these magicians
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legit. But man, have you
ever seen close up magic and you just

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can't figure out how to is?
Hey, well, we have a friend,

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we have a friend that's done some
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yeah, and he's amazing up close
magic. And I look at it

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and go, I have no idea
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Right, So it could have just
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But it was believable enough that Pharaoh
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Yeah, I did believe it.
I've had people in my house for

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a birthday party for my daughter,
a friend of mine, and he did

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up close magic right in front of
my face. And I was afoot from

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him, like examining the trick,
and I said, I have no idea

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how you did that. Right,
then he explained it to me and I

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was like, oh, not get
it, but yeah, it's it's pretty

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amazing how you can fool somebody.
Yeah, so it could have been a

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trick. But on the other hand, it could have been full blown evil

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miracle. Right that a demon did. I know. You know a lot

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of the work that I've done around
the world, in especially in Africa,

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I've known witch doctors that have become
Christians, and those witch doctors have have

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articulated that, yeah, some of
that power is very real. One witch

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doctor he could make it, make
it thunder right, and he said it

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was it was demons that would do
it. So, you know, it

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could have been either way. But
Pharaoh was thoroughly unimpressed, right, which

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is unbelievable to me. Yeah,
well, I mean, obviously the magicians

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weren't able to pull off something as
extravagant as what Moses did, but just

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the fact that it at least could
exist and think about the stakes. The

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stakes were so high, you know. Again, I mean, if it's

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estimated, most callers believe that the
Egyptians or the Hebrews were you know,

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maybe up to a million people.
Imagine if you had a slave working force

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of a million people, Like,
what can that group of people do?

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And the answer is they could do
anything. Right, they can build the

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pyramids. Oh, don't even get
me started on that one. They didn't

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build the pyramids. They did,
I know, the pyramids already existed.

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That the pyramids existed before Joseph,
the Pyramids existed before Jacob showed up.

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I only say that I only made
a joke because people think Aliens. Both

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there's no way that you can over
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with a lever, and yeah,
that's just that's just it's not saying it

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was Aliens. But right, right, So anyway, the uh so this

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idea that like, not only does
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then he goes on because Pharaoh hardens
his heart. Pharaoh says no, he

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refuses, and then what happens is
they go through a plague of frogs next,

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and it says, so many frogs
infested everything. They were in their

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houses and their beds, yeah,
everywhere. And then they began to die,

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the frogs. The frogs do.
And it says that the Egyptians piled

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them into great heaps, and the
terrible stench filled the land. Ah.

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And then after that was a plague
of gnats. Can you even imagine gnats?

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Just raise your staff and strike the
ground and the dust will turn into

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swarms of gnats throughout the land of
Egypt. And then it says there's a

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plague of flies. Yeah, and
it said it covered everyone, people and

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animals alike. Oh and by the
way, last night we had one fly

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in my house. We were watching
TV. We had one fly and it

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was the worst. And I'm just
like, get the fly away. Can

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you imagine a plague of them where
they're just all over you. Did you

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ever see an animal that covers with
so many flies? Yeah, it just

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sort of surrenders to it, especially
the biting flies. Right, So there's

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a difference between nats, gnats,
and flies unless the flies were biting flies

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or some kind of a right,
So gnats and flies seem like it's the

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same plague almost unless you know,
so the one is a harassing thing.

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The other one, I'm going to
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I've been bit by so many flies
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what that was. And then then
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actually struck the livestock donkeys, camels, cattle, sheep, goats with a

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deadly plague. And so the plague
against the livestock was just, man,

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I'm sure that was massive. All
the animals died, right, so you

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survive. So the animals were you
know, you didn't have cars, right,

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so these these were this is what
pulled the wagons, and this is

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what hauled the lumber, this is
what plowed the fields. This is what

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they used for milk. Right,
you just go down the line every and

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they all just died. But it
says that the people of Israel didn't have

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problems with these things. Yeah,
which, by the way, the churn

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of Israel in the land of Goshen
is where they were. They even you

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know, even the even the the
darkness which we're about to see, didn't

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didn't affect their their their city,
which is amazing. And so and the

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people didn't lose a single animal.
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them is festering boils. Right,
So they wind up having this whole season

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of festering boils. But the Bible
keeps saying Pharaoh refuses to listen. Pharaoh

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refused to let the people go over
and over. So now everybody were uh

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struck with boils. And they took
suit from the bricks, they took ashes,

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and they again to dry out those
things, but they couldn't even hardly

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stand and they were completely covered in
festering boils. And the animals, yeah,

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so not had to toes, but
the animals had to toe. And

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then a plague of hail. So
the hail comes down and uh you know

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just I mean, I'm sure you've
been in a hailstorm before. Oh yeah,

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but hale covering the land of Egypt
and not again, not the Egyptian

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or not the Hebrews, so that's
pretty weird. And then and it wipes

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out all the almost all the fields, livestock in the fields, right is

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what it is. What it winds
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And then a plague of locusts,
and that's got to be just probably

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even just as bad as the gnats
and the flies. So what wasn't destroyed

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by the It says all the flax
and barley were ruined by the hail,

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right because it was that time of
the year. But then whatever wasn't wiped

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out by the hail, the locusts
came and just cleaned right down to the

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ground. Wow. Right. Then
it says the plague of darkness. And

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this is where this one amazes me
the most, because it says darkness covered

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the entire land of Egypt for three
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cannot see each other. No one
moved for three days. No one moved.

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But he says, but there was
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Israel lived, Are you kidding me? Which means like, if you live

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in their city, you look up
and there's the sun and you're just la

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la lah. And then you leave
the city, you go to where the

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Egyptians lived, and there's complete and
utter darkness. And it says it says,

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so dark that you can't see another
person in front of you. That's

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incredible, just pure blackness. So
a couple of these times, now at

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the end of them, what Moses
or what Pharao would do is call Moses

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back and go Okay, God got
my attention. Go ahead, you guys

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can go. And then after the
plague stopped and the Bible said that God

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would harden Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh changes
his mind, going, no, never

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mind, it's over. Now you
can't go. And so here's another one

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where finally darkness is this way,
and Pharaoh in verse twenty four there and

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chapter ten says, go and worship
the lord, but leave your flocks and

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herds here. You can even take
your little kids with you, but leave

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your stuff. And Moses goes,
nope, we have to take all of

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it, and you need to provide
more. And Pharaoh says no, he

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gets out, get out, get
out of here, don't come back.

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I don't ever want to see you
again. And Moses goes, okay,

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I'll never see your face again,
and he leaves. And then tomorrow we'll

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talk about the tenth and definitely the
worst plague. Yeah, should we introduce

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the plague now and then talk about
the pass over tomorrow or should we just

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say the whole thing for tomorrow.
Well it's a cliffhanger, Okay, cliffhanger

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it is, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. So when it comes

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down to it, it's the most
interesting thing about all this, all these

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plagues and all this, all of
this chapter is the fact that it says

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that the Lord was the one that
hardened fair his heart right, And that

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always confused me, because you know, it's one thing for Pharaoh to say

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no, and then for God to
keep on doing these plagues. But it's

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another thing for you know, Pharaoh
to say yes, and then the Lord

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is the one who hardened Pharaoh's heart
once again. And so I have to

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believe that God did this for a
reason that, you know, to convince

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the entire nation instead of convincing one
man, right to to demonstrate to the

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nation that the Lord is God.
You know, I, you know,

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maybe maybe they had to go through
all of those things in order to,

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you know, understand that maybe for
the children of Israel to see God work

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on their behalf after being enslaved for
four hundred years, not just one thing,

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not just two things, but thing
after thing after thing after thing,

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just to let the children of Israel
know how much they are valued. How

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again, just these experiencing the fact
that everybody's in darkness and you're in light,

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to understand that you're favored, right, to understand that you're seeing,

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you're heard, that you're valued,
that you're loved. You know, maybe

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God did this as an affirming message
over and over and over for the years

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that they've cried out in bondage and
cried out and pain, you know,

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because they were probably convinced at that
point that God would have never showed up.

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Right. So God shows up in
a big way demonstrating his love and

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his you know, value of them, over and over and over. Yeah,

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this hardening of Pharaoh's heart. People
point to this often that you know,

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God was unfair, that Pharah didn't
have a choice. What I can

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tell you is at the very beginning, when Moses first goes and gives Pharaoh

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an opportunity, Pharaoh goes, who's
this god you're talking about? Right?

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Pharaoh was familiar with tons of gods, and he knew that they were all

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fraudulent. Right. He was a
god for crying out loud. Right,

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people viewed him as a god,
and so he's like, your God's no

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more powerful than anybody else's god.
Right, That's how he was. So

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in that moment, God didn't harden
Pharaoh's heart. Pharaoh was cynical, he

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was he lifted himself up, who's
this god that I should obey him?

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I'm a god too, right,
And God didn't harden his heart there.

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What God decided to do is okay
with that kind of response, this is

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going to be really rough for you. And every time Pharaoh's about ready to

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change his mind, God didn't let
him change his mind right through that whole

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thing, because God was going after
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of Egypt at the time, the
Nile River, blood, the sun,

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literally the sun is the most important
god. Yeah, raw, right,

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and that's the last one. Is
there's no darkness, frogs, all these

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things. So he's going after weather. So he goes after all these gods.

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And I think that you're seeing God
harden his heart after the fact,

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not at the beginning. So Pharaoh's
heart was hard and God just didn't let

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him change his mind from that point
I see. But you're going to take

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ten really big beatings here, right, meetings where you want to you want

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me to show you how I'm better
than every single god that you know.

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That's right. So you made your
bed, now you're gonna lie in it.

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That that's that's kind of the thing. So it's not that God hardened

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his heart. At the beginning,
he decided he was a god and that

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he didn't have to listen to the
God of the universe. And then from

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there God is like, Okay,
I'm not gonna let you change your mind

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for ten more plagues. Then you're
gonna change your mind, right, And

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uh, you know, I think
sometimes we go through some stuff. Sometimes

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got to go okay, hey,
if that's a choice you're gonna make'm I'm

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gonna let you live with that choice
for a while. Now, eventually he

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ends it. Even God's grace extends
to Pharaoh at this point and ends all

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these horrible things. But you know, there are consequences our decisions, and

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God will let us live with our
consequences. Yeah, and that's a tough

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one. Well, that's a good
cliffhanger. And so we will talk about

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the tenth plague the next time on
the Bible. Guys,