WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.924 --> 00:00:26.754 Anke: Hello and welcome Tricia. 00:00:26.754 --> 00:00:29.424 I'm super excited to have you here today. 00:00:30.774 --> 00:00:32.694 Tricia: I am excited to be here. 00:00:32.694 --> 00:00:34.374 Thank you for having me. 00:00:34.374 --> 00:00:35.664 And what an honor. 00:00:35.664 --> 00:00:36.804 Thank you so much. 00:00:37.464 --> 00:00:38.064 Anke: My pleasure. 00:00:38.064 --> 00:00:40.764 I'm really looking forward to this particular conversation. 00:00:40.884 --> 00:00:44.904 So before we dive in, let people know where in this lovely world you are, and 00:00:45.324 --> 00:00:47.364 as always, what's your business with dogs? 00:00:48.189 --> 00:00:49.059 Tricia: Absolutely. 00:00:49.059 --> 00:00:51.549 So I am actually in Florida. 00:00:51.549 --> 00:00:57.009 I am located outside of Fort Myers, and it's about 83 degrees 00:00:57.009 --> 00:00:58.239 here and absolutely beautiful. 00:00:58.239 --> 00:01:02.859 And if I had the, uh, the screens open right now, you'd see the water 00:01:02.859 --> 00:01:07.809 and the canal and, uh, ab I always say I wake up in paradise every 00:01:07.809 --> 00:01:09.669 morning, which is absolutely beautiful. 00:01:10.149 --> 00:01:12.249 Um, I had been in. 00:01:13.419 --> 00:01:16.149 Welfare, the veterinary profession and the pet industry. 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.949 Um, I'd like to say pretty much my whole life, I, you know, I, I look like I'm 00:01:20.949 --> 00:01:23.019 25, but I'm a little bit older than that. 00:01:24.549 --> 00:01:28.329 I, um, I started with the Chicago Veterinary Medical 00:01:28.329 --> 00:01:31.629 Association about 25 years ago. 00:01:32.334 --> 00:01:35.304 I started as their public education director and then went on to 00:01:35.304 --> 00:01:36.954 become their executive director. 00:01:36.954 --> 00:01:40.494 And so I really grew up in the veterinary profession and 00:01:40.494 --> 00:01:42.534 understanding everything about that. 00:01:43.074 --> 00:01:47.574 Um, I then went on to, um, uh, be in the pen industry with my 00:01:47.724 --> 00:01:51.804 organization, uh, which was Canine Fit Club, which was gyms for people 00:01:51.804 --> 00:01:53.544 and dogs all across the country. 00:01:53.544 --> 00:01:58.614 We had everything from Papa Lots NAMA at State Bow Wow Bootcamp, BA begging 00:01:58.614 --> 00:02:00.534 for beginner ba I mean, you name it. 00:02:01.314 --> 00:02:04.709 And we created science-based programs for both people and their dogs, and I. 00:02:05.214 --> 00:02:05.784 Worked with Dr. 00:02:05.784 --> 00:02:08.924 Ernie Ward, association of Pet Obesity Prevention and Dr. 00:02:08.924 --> 00:02:11.844 David Levine as we were selling the company. 00:02:12.204 --> 00:02:18.264 I, uh, I really wanted to focus on animal welfare because I had been, um, 00:02:18.324 --> 00:02:21.984 I'd always volunteered, I always been on boards for different animal control 00:02:21.984 --> 00:02:23.784 organizations in humane societies. 00:02:23.784 --> 00:02:28.854 And, uh, put my, put my name out there and I became CEO for P mean society, 00:02:28.884 --> 00:02:31.824 and I led it straight into the pandemic. 00:02:32.254 --> 00:02:33.424 And straight out of the pandemic. 00:02:34.384 --> 00:02:37.864 So unchartered waters to be for sure. 00:02:37.864 --> 00:02:42.694 But during that time, um, it was during the time of COVID and it 00:02:42.694 --> 00:02:46.144 was my birthday and it was the worst birthday ever, as we know. 00:02:46.144 --> 00:02:49.324 During COVID it was like really everything was locked down, but 00:02:49.324 --> 00:02:50.854 we were deemed essential workers. 00:02:50.884 --> 00:02:55.924 So we were working seven days a week, 12, 13 hours a day, and, um. 00:02:56.514 --> 00:03:01.044 They had my, I I had walked in on a Saturday morning and there was a dog in 00:03:01.044 --> 00:03:05.274 the small dog room that they had picked up overnight from a pretty bad situation. 00:03:05.634 --> 00:03:09.444 His name was Boss at the time, and I asked if I could bring him home 00:03:09.444 --> 00:03:13.764 with me to foster him for, you know, like, and I slept wasn for me. 00:03:14.334 --> 00:03:18.324 And, um, we spent the weekend together and. 00:03:19.329 --> 00:03:20.379 I brought him back money. 00:03:20.799 --> 00:03:22.389 I thought, I'm not ready for a dog. 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.509 I, and, but I kept going back and going back and before the end of the 00:03:25.509 --> 00:03:30.219 day, my staff had adopted him for me during the Bissell Pet Foundation 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:36.669 event, which was, um, a boss for a boss, they said, and boss became moose. 00:03:37.089 --> 00:03:40.389 And, um, he was my glue. 00:03:40.869 --> 00:03:41.469 He really. 00:03:42.414 --> 00:03:46.884 He, you know, we all have those dogs that touch your soul. 00:03:46.944 --> 00:03:48.594 The dogs that are our heart dogs. 00:03:49.344 --> 00:03:50.514 Moose is my heart dog. 00:03:50.724 --> 00:03:53.664 I mean, he really, uh, my mom had passed away. 00:03:53.664 --> 00:03:58.644 My dad had passed away and, uh, and he and Moose was just there. 00:03:58.674 --> 00:04:00.324 And, and it was a tough time. 00:04:00.324 --> 00:04:07.014 And I came, came back from an event and I, um, I put my arms around him. 00:04:07.974 --> 00:04:11.334 And there were four nodes all around his neck and there 00:04:11.334 --> 00:04:12.954 were three nodes going down. 00:04:12.954 --> 00:04:19.284 Him and I, I, I'm, you know, I, I know what they were and I called every 00:04:19.314 --> 00:04:24.234 veterinarian that I could and got him into Auburn and just all kinds 00:04:24.234 --> 00:04:27.024 of, you know, but it was too late. 00:04:27.414 --> 00:04:32.604 Within two weeks he was gone and, um, it was stage four lymphoma 00:04:33.204 --> 00:04:37.464 and it, uh, it crushed my soul. 00:04:37.764 --> 00:04:45.654 Um, I, I felt like my, my body and my heart was being ripped out and I 00:04:45.744 --> 00:04:50.694 found myself on the floor and I didn't want to go on, I did not wanna live. 00:04:50.724 --> 00:04:52.974 I just, because everything that had come down. 00:04:54.069 --> 00:04:59.589 At that time, um, every, the pain of my parents, the pain of just like 00:05:00.069 --> 00:05:09.369 everything, and I just, I just, I didn't, it was, yeah, I, it was a space 00:05:09.369 --> 00:05:15.339 that I've never been in, in my life and I am so thankful for my sister 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:20.649 Cheryl, and colleagues, and I was able. 00:05:21.219 --> 00:05:25.299 To pick myself up or they were able to pick my knee up, let's put it that way. 00:05:25.299 --> 00:05:33.099 And, um, I knew that I needed to honor him in some way. 00:05:33.099 --> 00:05:37.659 I needed to take that pain and I needed to turn it into something good. 00:05:38.379 --> 00:05:42.849 I needed to turn my, as I say, my grief into goodness. 00:05:44.139 --> 00:05:46.839 And I. 00:05:48.954 --> 00:05:58.644 I created mooses March to honor him, and that no pet parent should have 00:05:58.644 --> 00:06:03.534 to all of a sudden just wake up and realize they don't have any more time. 00:06:04.014 --> 00:06:04.254 Hmm. 00:06:04.734 --> 00:06:11.634 And I, I, I, I created this program and then I went to VMX, which is 00:06:11.719 --> 00:06:16.134 a, a large veterinary conference, and I went with the intention that. 00:06:16.674 --> 00:06:18.894 I wanted to stop cancer before it started. 00:06:19.194 --> 00:06:24.834 There's so many organizations that focus on giving back and financial 00:06:24.834 --> 00:06:29.604 assistance, and they do such a beautiful job, and we have other 00:06:29.604 --> 00:06:31.704 organizations that do the research. 00:06:32.244 --> 00:06:33.864 I knew that I wanted to. 00:06:35.619 --> 00:06:40.029 I knew that I wanted to stop pet cancer and cancer before it started, and the only 00:06:40.029 --> 00:06:42.249 way we could do that was early detection. 00:06:43.269 --> 00:06:46.449 So I found companies at that time, it was just getting started. 00:06:46.539 --> 00:06:48.429 Uh, this was in 2023. 00:06:48.819 --> 00:06:48.999 And, 00:06:51.609 --> 00:06:55.899 and, um, I, I, I met with a many companies, some of 'em just 00:06:55.899 --> 00:06:57.039 didn't gimme the time of day. 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:01.929 And, um, I met with a company called Volition Veterinary, and they got it. 00:07:02.349 --> 00:07:03.129 They got it. 00:07:04.029 --> 00:07:11.859 And since that time, our sole focus has been on stopping cancer before it starts. 00:07:11.979 --> 00:07:13.449 Know the signs. 00:07:14.019 --> 00:07:16.179 No, let's get tested. 00:07:16.179 --> 00:07:21.879 There are testings available, pre-cancer testings that help determine the 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:26.889 biomarkers if we know we can do something. 00:07:28.599 --> 00:07:29.829 But if we don't know. 00:07:30.594 --> 00:07:35.454 Um, you know, right now cancer tests are only available for dogs. 00:07:35.454 --> 00:07:37.464 They're become, they will becoming available. 00:07:37.464 --> 00:07:41.004 There's peer review papers right now, uh, for cats. 00:07:41.034 --> 00:07:46.164 Those will be probably happening in, um, we're hoping in 2026. 00:07:46.704 --> 00:07:51.984 Um, but there's 6 million dogs in 6 million cats that 00:07:51.984 --> 00:07:53.364 are diagnosed with cancer. 00:07:53.919 --> 00:07:55.149 Every year. 00:07:55.659 --> 00:07:58.674 And that doesn't even take into account the years before the ones 00:07:58.674 --> 00:08:04.239 that now before, well, the years before, you know, 20 23, 20 24. 00:08:04.239 --> 00:08:09.879 So every year it's 6 million additional cats and dogs being diagnosed with cancer. 00:08:10.329 --> 00:08:11.949 There's something going on. 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:18.879 And, and, and if you think about it, I miss the warning signs. 00:08:20.844 --> 00:08:22.284 I thought it was something else. 00:08:23.244 --> 00:08:26.994 I thought that the lethargy, I thought, you know, he had, he had been heartworm 00:08:26.994 --> 00:08:32.244 positive whenever I got him, and he always had health problems, but we 00:08:32.244 --> 00:08:34.284 never, I never thought about cancer. 00:08:35.094 --> 00:08:36.894 I just never thought about that. 00:08:36.894 --> 00:08:48.444 And um, looking back on that, uh, the guilt of the, the pain of, um. 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.244 I, I, the, the pain of, of the coulda, shoulda, woulda, 00:08:53.814 --> 00:08:55.914 and why didn't I see this? 00:08:55.974 --> 00:09:02.334 And then realizing that it doesn't have to be in vain. 00:09:02.694 --> 00:09:05.604 It doesn't have to be for, for nothing. 00:09:05.934 --> 00:09:11.364 That now his life and what I've learned can be an example to others. 00:09:12.144 --> 00:09:12.714 Anke: Oh God. 00:09:12.714 --> 00:09:16.224 That's like, it's just like both crying here. 00:09:16.224 --> 00:09:18.804 So anybody's just listening. 00:09:19.254 --> 00:09:24.654 Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean, I've lost two of mine, so I kind of, I kind of 00:09:24.654 --> 00:09:26.394 have a sense of the, of the feeling. 00:09:26.844 --> 00:09:32.124 Um, I mean, I love that you kind of took that and sort of, okay, let's, let's 00:09:32.124 --> 00:09:36.924 make this mean something, let's make this help other people going forward. 00:09:37.284 --> 00:09:37.404 I. 00:09:40.164 --> 00:09:43.794 Statistics and, and I'm sort of thinking, well, even thinking all the, that 00:09:43.794 --> 00:09:45.504 don't even get diagnosed, you know? 00:09:45.594 --> 00:09:45.804 Right. 00:09:45.804 --> 00:09:47.394 That nobody even notice kind of thing. 00:09:47.394 --> 00:09:49.374 Nobody notices it rampant. 00:09:49.794 --> 00:09:52.194 So with those. 00:09:52.509 --> 00:09:55.689 You know that you are on the forefront, like you're talking to people who kind 00:09:55.689 --> 00:10:01.569 of in that, in that space, what's the current kind of level of knowledge or 00:10:01.569 --> 00:10:04.419 theory of like, why is this so ramp? 00:10:04.689 --> 00:10:06.279 Has it always been like that? 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:07.929 Because my guess, I don't know. 00:10:07.929 --> 00:10:12.129 I would imagine when I'm thinking my, my grandparents dogs, like, you 00:10:12.129 --> 00:10:16.659 know, the dogs that were around at that time, it like, there wouldn't 00:10:16.659 --> 00:10:18.669 have been that many with cancer. 00:10:18.729 --> 00:10:18.789 Yeah. 00:10:19.029 --> 00:10:22.059 Is it something that's happening a lot more now or is it. 00:10:23.259 --> 00:10:27.459 And what are we kind of, is there any any theory of like why that would be? 00:10:28.299 --> 00:10:30.459 Tricia: Yeah, that's a great question. 00:10:30.459 --> 00:10:38.409 So I think we are learning more and more about cancer and I think we 00:10:38.409 --> 00:10:43.449 are just kind of catching up from a standpoint of view medicine for cancer, 00:10:43.449 --> 00:10:45.399 for our animals and for our pets. 00:10:46.029 --> 00:10:49.029 Um, and I think right now. 00:10:51.384 --> 00:10:56.064 There are so many other elements that we never considered. 00:10:56.484 --> 00:11:00.294 To our, to our dogs or to our cats about cancer. 00:11:00.714 --> 00:11:01.074 Dr. 00:11:01.074 --> 00:11:02.904 Sue Inger, who's known as Dr. 00:11:02.904 --> 00:11:07.944 Sue Cancer Vet, she gave a beautiful webinar, I wanna say, three or four 00:11:07.944 --> 00:11:12.534 months ago, and it was on, you know, what they're finding out now about cancer. 00:11:12.534 --> 00:11:16.014 I mean, all these things from the environment to the elements, 00:11:16.254 --> 00:11:19.404 secondhand smoke, things that we think about for ourselves, but do 00:11:19.404 --> 00:11:20.934 we think about 'em for our dogs? 00:11:20.994 --> 00:11:21.054 Anke: Yeah. 00:11:21.474 --> 00:11:24.354 Tricia: Um, all these things that we think about from. 00:11:24.804 --> 00:11:28.314 For years, we've now learned aka about the food that we feed. 00:11:28.524 --> 00:11:31.254 We need to feed healthy, you know, just feed, you know, what, 00:11:31.254 --> 00:11:35.064 what are we putting into their diets, but we've not talked about. 00:11:36.069 --> 00:11:38.139 What are they putting into their mouths for toys? 00:11:38.139 --> 00:11:41.829 Have we talked about the toxicity level in, in the lead? 00:11:41.829 --> 00:11:45.429 Have we talked about the dyes in the products? 00:11:45.429 --> 00:11:50.379 Have we talked about the plastics that they're digesting from the bones? 00:11:50.379 --> 00:11:54.819 Have we talked about, you know, we as pet parents, we get a plastic bottle, we 00:11:54.819 --> 00:11:58.989 throw the bottle and we're like, Hey, you know, and oh, he loves crunching it, but 00:11:58.989 --> 00:12:03.789 we thought about the plastics, they're ingesting and they stay in the system. 00:12:04.149 --> 00:12:07.899 Those are causing cancer and we don't talk about it. 00:12:07.989 --> 00:12:09.789 Um, we, we are the, sorry. 00:12:09.849 --> 00:12:10.929 Get it passionate about this. 00:12:11.349 --> 00:12:12.939 We are the cure.org. 00:12:13.599 --> 00:12:14.709 We are the cure.org. 00:12:14.889 --> 00:12:21.699 Put out a beautiful study last year, um, or two years ago relative to toxicity. 00:12:22.089 --> 00:12:27.819 Uh, in our, in our toys and these things that are coming from wherever. 00:12:27.819 --> 00:12:29.019 We have no idea. 00:12:29.499 --> 00:12:33.609 And, you know, I'm just going to show an example here, but even like something like 00:12:33.609 --> 00:12:37.899 this, you know, these little things that we just throw, you know, oh, it's so cute. 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:39.999 What about the dyes in this? 00:12:40.884 --> 00:12:45.684 What about those dyes and um, you know, even the bones that we're, 00:12:45.714 --> 00:12:50.184 we're, we're feeding our dogs that are, have been so well known for so many 00:12:50.184 --> 00:12:53.304 years, um, and that are bestsellers and we're like, oh, that's great. 00:12:54.534 --> 00:12:55.704 These contain plastic. 00:12:56.184 --> 00:12:56.214 I. 00:12:56.304 --> 00:13:00.324 So I think that we really, as a, we really as pet parents, as a society, 00:13:00.684 --> 00:13:05.844 we must think about what we're putting into the mouths of our pets. 00:13:06.354 --> 00:13:11.994 And, um, you know, the environment things are, things are, you know, 00:13:11.994 --> 00:13:16.614 whether it's global warming, whatever you wanna call it, just like it impacts us. 00:13:17.034 --> 00:13:20.394 It's impacting our pets too, and I think we need to be conscious of that. 00:13:20.754 --> 00:13:22.014 Anke: Yeah, I totally agree. 00:13:22.014 --> 00:13:24.954 And I think, would you, would you agree that it. 00:13:26.094 --> 00:13:30.264 Impacts them more because they have their little noses on, on things 00:13:30.264 --> 00:13:34.764 and you know, so I think they, oh, everything more sensitive. 00:13:34.764 --> 00:13:38.514 So I think they, they're probably more affected than we are by a lot of people. 00:13:38.514 --> 00:13:39.144 Absolutely. 00:13:39.204 --> 00:13:39.474 Yeah. 00:13:39.479 --> 00:13:41.394 Who knows even about mobile phone. 00:13:42.204 --> 00:13:44.394 Like the impact of all that stuff. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.779 The electrical magnetic stuff. 00:13:46.104 --> 00:13:47.364 It's a whole other rabbit hole, I'd 00:13:47.364 --> 00:13:47.844 Tricia: imagine. 00:13:47.844 --> 00:13:48.234 Anke: You know? 00:13:48.534 --> 00:13:49.224 Tricia: Absolutely. 00:13:49.224 --> 00:13:52.344 The, I, I hope, I hope that our dogs are not sleeping with the 00:13:52.344 --> 00:13:55.374 cell phones beside their bed, but who knows, one day they may be. 00:13:55.764 --> 00:13:58.254 I'm not, I don't know what I would do if that happen. 00:13:59.454 --> 00:14:03.714 Um, but you asked a question, what do you know, what are we doing about this now? 00:14:04.344 --> 00:14:10.134 There are so many beautiful organizations right now that are. 00:14:10.959 --> 00:14:15.459 Leading the charge on understanding pet cancer. 00:14:15.819 --> 00:14:22.389 And, you know, um, I, I say Moose March is not inclusive, um, is not exclusive. 00:14:23.349 --> 00:14:24.489 Cancer is not exclusive. 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:24.849 Mrs. 00:14:24.849 --> 00:14:26.139 March is not exclusive. 00:14:26.139 --> 00:14:30.129 We work with everyone and so right now we're working with Volition Veterinary. 00:14:30.129 --> 00:14:34.449 They have a a a, a new Q test, which is the pre-cancer 00:14:34.449 --> 00:14:37.869 test, and about 97% effective. 00:14:38.169 --> 00:14:38.769 There is. 00:14:39.189 --> 00:14:43.089 Pet Preferred Diagnostics that are really trying to come up with testings 00:14:43.089 --> 00:14:45.699 right now and have Phyto Cure. 00:14:46.059 --> 00:14:51.609 Um, there is idexx um, onco Tech, which is an at-home consumer test that people can 00:14:51.609 --> 00:14:56.409 actually get a urine test and then that can, um, uh, they can do that at home. 00:14:56.409 --> 00:15:01.149 They can send it in and then if it is di, you know, comes back as positive, that's 00:15:01.149 --> 00:15:03.789 gonna have them go to their veterinarian. 00:15:04.209 --> 00:15:06.999 Um, so I think the more that we know. 00:15:07.374 --> 00:15:11.094 The more, the more you know, the more that we're finding out. 00:15:11.094 --> 00:15:19.494 But pet cancer and early detection, it, it's just coming to the forefront. 00:15:19.494 --> 00:15:24.444 And, and we're, you know, I think we're the only organization that's 00:15:24.444 --> 00:15:28.344 really from a, a non-for-profit standpoint talking about this and 00:15:28.344 --> 00:15:31.164 talking about, let's get 'em tested. 00:15:31.284 --> 00:15:35.034 No, give them, uh, you know, I think the greatest word in, in human 00:15:35.034 --> 00:15:36.804 history in the dictionary is hope. 00:15:37.794 --> 00:15:40.374 I want hope and I want more memories. 00:15:40.374 --> 00:15:44.214 And imagine if you would've had one more day with your dog. 00:15:44.964 --> 00:15:45.144 Yeah. 00:15:45.204 --> 00:15:45.864 One more day. 00:15:45.924 --> 00:15:46.584 One more hour. 00:15:47.844 --> 00:15:48.084 Yeah. 00:15:48.144 --> 00:15:50.124 Me, I, I think about moose. 00:15:50.124 --> 00:15:52.854 If I would've just had just a little bit more time. 00:15:53.484 --> 00:15:53.724 Yeah. 00:15:53.724 --> 00:15:54.354 You know, I mean 00:15:54.564 --> 00:15:57.144 Anke: there, it, it's like it's never enough, right? 00:15:57.354 --> 00:15:59.274 But I think it's something like that. 00:15:59.274 --> 00:16:02.994 Um, where you think, I think you mentioned something in the beginning 00:16:02.994 --> 00:16:04.824 where I'm thinking it's the guilt piece. 00:16:04.824 --> 00:16:09.954 It's just like, Ooh, if I'd known earlier, I think that's, that's incredibly painful. 00:16:10.134 --> 00:16:16.494 So from what you've learned since, what are some early science that 00:16:16.494 --> 00:16:20.289 somebody like may overlook because you wouldn't normally think of it? 00:16:21.774 --> 00:16:22.074 Tricia: Yeah. 00:16:23.244 --> 00:16:30.024 Um, lumps that may be there and you may identify them as a fatty cell tumor. 00:16:30.204 --> 00:16:32.844 Um, lumps and bumps that don't go away. 00:16:33.504 --> 00:16:36.534 Lethargy change in appetite. 00:16:37.104 --> 00:16:39.384 Um, change in stool. 00:16:39.684 --> 00:16:40.284 Mm-hmm. 00:16:40.285 --> 00:16:43.824 Uh, it, uh, urination, bloody urination. 00:16:44.214 --> 00:16:46.344 Um, loss of appetite. 00:16:47.424 --> 00:16:53.964 Just a change in that happy go lucky, playful dog that you knew and, and, and 00:16:53.964 --> 00:16:56.454 it, and it may not be attributed to age. 00:16:56.904 --> 00:16:56.964 Yeah. 00:16:56.964 --> 00:16:59.604 I think those are some, some of the warning signs that people 00:16:59.724 --> 00:17:01.074 don't really think about. 00:17:01.314 --> 00:17:06.174 You know, our dog jumps down from a, um, maybe the couch or he jumps up 00:17:06.174 --> 00:17:10.494 onto the bed and he, and he kind of winces and we think, oh gosh, maybe you 00:17:10.494 --> 00:17:12.264 know, that that was too high for him. 00:17:12.264 --> 00:17:14.244 Let's get him a, a ramp up there. 00:17:15.309 --> 00:17:16.599 When it may be cancer. 00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:17.259 Hmm. 00:17:17.259 --> 00:17:24.099 And I think also sometimes when dogs misbehave, it's not 00:17:24.099 --> 00:17:25.659 misbehaving, they're in pain. 00:17:26.019 --> 00:17:29.379 And so even changes in a, from a behavior standpoint, I. 00:17:30.864 --> 00:17:34.104 You, your veterinarian is, is your best friend. 00:17:34.554 --> 00:17:36.444 Um, they're your partner in this. 00:17:36.774 --> 00:17:42.264 Um, a relationship with that veterinarian is so, so, so important 00:17:42.264 --> 00:17:45.444 and, and, and invaluable with everything that you're doing. 00:17:45.474 --> 00:17:46.614 With that, with everything. 00:17:46.614 --> 00:17:48.714 But get them checked out. 00:17:48.774 --> 00:17:56.454 Um, it's, it's, it's important for, for you, but it's important for them. 00:17:56.934 --> 00:17:57.264 Anke: Yeah. 00:17:57.444 --> 00:17:58.314 I mean, it's, it's. 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.169 And I think it's the pain piece as well. 00:18:02.169 --> 00:18:06.789 Like I would, you know, if like my first dog, he passed away, he was like 16 00:18:06.789 --> 00:18:11.769 and a half years old and, you know, so, and I'm like, it rips out your soul. 00:18:11.769 --> 00:18:17.169 But also, like, I know he's lived a long life and he wasn't, you know, he, he 00:18:17.169 --> 00:18:19.299 didn't have like a long sort of suffering. 00:18:19.299 --> 00:18:19.569 Right? 00:18:19.569 --> 00:18:21.669 He was sort of, went fairly quickly at the end. 00:18:21.984 --> 00:18:25.344 So, I mean, that's kind of one thing, but when, when you think, oh my God, 00:18:25.344 --> 00:18:28.254 like they're in pain and I didn't notice, because I think it makes it 00:18:28.254 --> 00:18:29.964 really hard because dogs are so good. 00:18:30.144 --> 00:18:31.254 I don't know about cats. 00:18:31.494 --> 00:18:37.404 I'm not like, I haven't had a cat, but I know the dogs are so good at at hiding it. 00:18:38.534 --> 00:18:39.129 Tricia: Or they know 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:39.699 Anke: cats. 00:18:39.699 --> 00:18:40.839 They're not like people, right? 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:42.249 Where you go, oh my God, this hurts. 00:18:42.249 --> 00:18:44.649 Like the dog will try and you know. 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:45.339 Fair enough. 00:18:45.339 --> 00:18:48.759 You know, I mean it makes sense from their point of view, but it makes it really hard 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.979 sometimes to To know when they're hurting. 00:18:51.099 --> 00:18:51.489 Yeah. 00:18:52.209 --> 00:18:52.839 Tricia: Well, I think. 00:18:53.174 --> 00:18:57.884 Uh, going back to cats, I think cats are e even from a hiding standpoint, or, or 00:18:57.944 --> 00:19:01.904 from what I know, and there again, more research is coming out about this, but 00:19:02.204 --> 00:19:05.804 from, uh, the standpoint of cats, cats do have an even better job of hiding it than 00:19:05.804 --> 00:19:09.554 our dogs do because again, they're so, you know, they hide all the time, basically. 00:19:10.004 --> 00:19:14.504 Um, but from a, from a standpoint of dogs, I think dogs wanna please us. 00:19:14.504 --> 00:19:15.464 They just love us. 00:19:15.464 --> 00:19:17.684 They don't, you know, I just wanna love you and. 00:19:18.489 --> 00:19:20.649 Unlike us, they can't tell us when they're in pain. 00:19:20.649 --> 00:19:24.729 They can't tell us where, you know, I ha I had a conversation with someone 00:19:24.729 --> 00:19:27.009 and, and, and their dog kept scooting. 00:19:27.009 --> 00:19:28.719 You know, we call it the boot Scooting Boogie. 00:19:28.719 --> 00:19:31.419 And you think that it's just, you know, their anal glands need 00:19:31.419 --> 00:19:33.549 to be expressed or, or whatever. 00:19:33.909 --> 00:19:36.009 And it turned out to be anal cancer. 00:19:36.579 --> 00:19:41.289 And they just, uh, again, the, the things that we don't think about, 00:19:41.289 --> 00:19:42.399 but all of a sudden it's like. 00:19:44.169 --> 00:19:45.099 I didn't know. 00:19:45.429 --> 00:19:51.279 And also I, I wanna point out dogs over the age of seven, one 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:52.599 in three, lemme repeat that. 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.649 One in three will get cancer. 00:19:58.464 --> 00:20:03.414 So the, the need for testing is so vitally important. 00:20:03.414 --> 00:20:08.814 And again, it can be a, whenever you go in for your yearly wellness examination 00:20:08.844 --> 00:20:12.474 and that, and your, your veterinarian is taking that little draw of blood, 00:20:12.774 --> 00:20:15.474 he just needs to take about maybe 0.5 00:20:15.474 --> 00:20:18.054 milliliters, more that, and it's nothing. 00:20:18.474 --> 00:20:23.454 And to give you peace of mind and to give you hope or to let you know, hey. 00:20:23.934 --> 00:20:26.994 The markers were a little bit elevated, these cells were elevated. 00:20:27.204 --> 00:20:29.604 We, you know, it are, are they healthy cells? 00:20:29.604 --> 00:20:30.894 Are they unhealthy cells? 00:20:31.224 --> 00:20:32.394 What do they look like? 00:20:32.484 --> 00:20:37.554 And so making sure that we are aware that there is something else going on. 00:20:37.554 --> 00:20:40.674 So the testing is vitally important. 00:20:40.674 --> 00:20:43.404 And know the signs, know the warning signs. 00:20:43.854 --> 00:20:44.184 We, um. 00:20:44.949 --> 00:20:50.139 Actually on our, uh, we just introduced, we talked about some of the products we're 00:20:50.139 --> 00:20:56.109 introducing moose approved badges and for companies that are dedicated to, you 00:20:56.109 --> 00:21:01.899 know, cancer free carcinogen and, and, and the toxicity and, and organizations 00:21:01.899 --> 00:21:05.379 that are striving to do better. 00:21:05.769 --> 00:21:09.099 For, you know, uh, the, for our, for our pets. 00:21:09.459 --> 00:21:12.969 And so, um, hopefully you'll be seeing moose approved badges 00:21:12.969 --> 00:21:14.319 everywhere for companies. 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.069 And that's gonna be moose's contribution to, um, 00:21:18.819 --> 00:21:19.454 Anke: yeah, that, uh, he's gonna love it. 00:21:21.764 --> 00:21:22.054 He's, 00:21:22.509 --> 00:21:25.479 Tricia: he's looking, he's looking down on me and smiling or farting. 00:21:25.479 --> 00:21:26.619 I'm not, which I'm not sure. 00:21:30.594 --> 00:21:34.044 Anke: But, so if I, like you were saying, when, when I go to, like, 00:21:34.044 --> 00:21:38.634 you go to the bed and like, can you like request the extra like cancer 00:21:38.634 --> 00:21:43.374 test or is that something that like vets these days know already to do? 00:21:43.374 --> 00:21:47.574 Or is this, or, or will you find vets who kind of like, oh, that's not a thing, 00:21:47.574 --> 00:21:52.644 or we don't like, you know, what's the awareness level, uh, on, uh, amongst vets? 00:21:53.469 --> 00:21:56.709 Tricia: I think it's becoming more and more aware right now, and I think more 00:21:56.709 --> 00:22:01.989 veterinarians are including the pre-cancer testings within a wellness examination. 00:22:02.409 --> 00:22:03.909 Um, I would ask for it. 00:22:03.909 --> 00:22:04.959 I would request it. 00:22:05.289 --> 00:22:08.259 Um, again, I, because I. 00:22:08.814 --> 00:22:13.254 Early screening really just started happening maybe two years ago. 00:22:13.554 --> 00:22:18.294 So again, uh, you, your veterinarian is going to be, you know, it 00:22:18.324 --> 00:22:21.864 just depends upon, um, their knowledge and where they are. 00:22:22.194 --> 00:22:26.094 Um, but I'm sure most veterinarians do know about the early detection 00:22:26.094 --> 00:22:27.879 and the pet cancer screening now. 00:22:27.879 --> 00:22:32.664 And, uh, again, it, I believe it's provided through Antech and through 00:22:32.694 --> 00:22:38.094 idexx, which are fairly commonly well known, um, uh, uh, organizations. 00:22:38.274 --> 00:22:41.599 So they should be able to Yeah, but I think And not expensive 00:22:42.179 --> 00:22:43.944 and, and not even expensive. 00:22:43.944 --> 00:22:44.454 Anke: Well, that's 00:22:44.454 --> 00:22:45.084 Tricia: not expensive. 00:22:45.384 --> 00:22:46.254 Not expensive. 00:22:46.254 --> 00:22:47.244 Not expensive at all. 00:22:47.304 --> 00:22:49.854 And I think that's one thing people are like, oh, because think about. 00:22:50.589 --> 00:22:54.789 There are, there are insurance companies that now that are charging more if 00:22:54.789 --> 00:22:59.769 you have a breed that is predisposed to cancer because they know history 00:22:59.769 --> 00:23:03.609 repeats itself and they know that if you have a golden retriever, golden 00:23:03.609 --> 00:23:07.209 retrievers, now, I think it's over 60% are now gonna be diagnosed with pet 00:23:07.209 --> 00:23:08.769 cancer at some time in their lifetime. 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:10.749 Just, it's just commonality. 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.749 Um, Labrador retrievers are getting up there as well. 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:15.639 Boxers, same thing. 00:23:15.819 --> 00:23:20.379 So these animals are, are these, these dogs are now being tagged by pet insurance 00:23:20.379 --> 00:23:24.759 Companies are charging more 'cause those animals are predisposed to cancer. 00:23:25.209 --> 00:23:27.701 So I, I think there is something to say that. 00:23:27.869 --> 00:23:31.679 If you get, if your dog is diagnosed with cancer, and then if you're 00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:35.519 catching it earlier, there are more things that you can do early on and 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:40.589 steps that you can take early on as opposed to all of a sudden go and then 00:23:41.459 --> 00:23:44.969 Anke: too late emerge surgery or something really, really invasive. 00:23:44.969 --> 00:23:45.839 Exactly right. 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:47.099 Yeah, exactly. 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:51.119 I think what, like the pizza that really fascinates me is even that before all 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.309 of that, you know, it's almost like. 00:23:53.949 --> 00:24:00.099 Our awareness of, okay, like look twice what kind of toys you give them, you know? 00:24:00.129 --> 00:24:00.249 Yeah. 00:24:00.339 --> 00:24:03.159 Make sure you feed them, make sure they get out in nature. 00:24:03.159 --> 00:24:05.979 They're not constantly, you know, like Yeah. 00:24:05.979 --> 00:24:09.789 The goals, like all those basic everyday things, you know? 00:24:09.794 --> 00:24:12.399 I think there's like so much that we can do to. 00:24:14.274 --> 00:24:17.244 Clean up the environment and I think, well, it's not just for our dogs. 00:24:17.244 --> 00:24:19.129 I guess it's the same for us, right? 00:24:19.434 --> 00:24:19.884 It's, and 00:24:20.214 --> 00:24:24.894 Tricia: it's for our kids and just I think about also know, know the source 00:24:25.224 --> 00:24:27.024 that you're getting the product from. 00:24:27.234 --> 00:24:32.154 It's super easy to order, you know, something off of, you know, a website. 00:24:32.184 --> 00:24:33.324 Oh my gosh, that's so cheap. 00:24:33.329 --> 00:24:35.724 I'm getting 25 toys for $10. 00:24:35.784 --> 00:24:36.414 Wow. 00:24:38.154 --> 00:24:38.574 Really? 00:24:39.309 --> 00:24:41.619 You know, where, where are those toys coming from? 00:24:41.859 --> 00:24:42.069 Yeah. 00:24:42.129 --> 00:24:43.539 And saving on the wrong edge. 00:24:43.539 --> 00:24:44.289 What's in those? 00:24:44.589 --> 00:24:45.129 Right. 00:24:45.144 --> 00:24:49.449 And, and, and you know, and I think paying attention also, one thing that 00:24:49.449 --> 00:24:55.329 I, that I wanna point out is we, as women, we do a breast self-examination. 00:24:55.719 --> 00:24:59.349 Every month, maybe not every, you know, and we're, we're, we're, 00:24:59.349 --> 00:25:00.279 we're looking at ourselves. 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:04.029 We're seeing, okay, we're aware of what's going in our bodies. 00:25:04.089 --> 00:25:09.309 Men from a prostate example, uh, stance, they're aware of 00:25:09.309 --> 00:25:10.689 what's going on in their bodies. 00:25:10.989 --> 00:25:14.349 We need to do the same thing for our pets. 00:25:14.529 --> 00:25:18.579 We need to give them an examination, you know, similar when you're patting 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:21.939 them down every day and you're just loving on them and you're patting 00:25:21.939 --> 00:25:23.679 them and you love them so much. 00:25:24.909 --> 00:25:26.289 Is there something else going on? 00:25:26.649 --> 00:25:28.569 Is there an unexplained odor? 00:25:28.809 --> 00:25:31.269 Do they have bad breath, worse than normal? 00:25:31.299 --> 00:25:38.379 And you know, so I think these are things that, you know, we can do now. 00:25:38.739 --> 00:25:39.129 Yeah. 00:25:39.459 --> 00:25:42.339 And, and, and those are just some of the steps that you could take 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:45.369 now for, for, for early detection. 00:25:46.299 --> 00:25:48.789 Anke: There's, I mean, when you think about, there's really so much to be 00:25:48.789 --> 00:25:53.079 aware of to just pay attention to your dog and any change, like you, 00:25:53.109 --> 00:25:56.499 like if you pay attention to your dog and you'll notice those changes. 00:25:57.069 --> 00:25:57.219 Right. 00:25:57.219 --> 00:26:00.429 You know, at the first different and the, you know, and the smell and 00:26:00.429 --> 00:26:02.199 the activity level and the appetite. 00:26:02.649 --> 00:26:04.149 There's really so much. 00:26:04.419 --> 00:26:04.899 Yeah. 00:26:05.049 --> 00:26:08.229 I mean, I've always had this theory to, to say, well, I've always. 00:26:09.624 --> 00:26:13.734 Got my dog's food where other people go, like I, people got laughed at me. 00:26:13.734 --> 00:26:16.194 They go, look, look, there comes Leo, you know? 00:26:16.254 --> 00:26:19.494 You know, next thing is he'll get extra virgin olive oil. 00:26:19.494 --> 00:26:21.594 And I'm like, well, if you knew that, he already does. 00:26:24.954 --> 00:26:25.074 He should. 00:26:25.074 --> 00:26:26.999 You know, and I always had this theory, like what? 00:26:27.204 --> 00:26:30.414 I spent more on food, I save on that costs, you know? 00:26:30.624 --> 00:26:31.974 Yeah, that's true. 00:26:32.064 --> 00:26:32.904 It's been true. 00:26:32.934 --> 00:26:34.224 You know, so they've not been. 00:26:35.124 --> 00:26:36.054 We've not had health. 00:26:36.054 --> 00:26:38.604 None of the four had like, lots of health issues. 00:26:38.664 --> 00:26:38.904 Right. 00:26:39.264 --> 00:26:44.784 So it's definitely just worth paying attention to and, and, and 00:26:44.934 --> 00:26:48.354 edu educating ourselves because there is a lot that we can do. 00:26:48.354 --> 00:26:52.014 And that's really, it's hope is the word that comes to mind. 00:26:52.014 --> 00:26:53.754 You know, it's give, it gives that hope. 00:26:53.754 --> 00:26:53.755 Yeah. 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.474 That we're not as, um, you know, like. 00:26:59.274 --> 00:27:01.704 Just the victim on the other end sort of thing, you know? 00:27:01.704 --> 00:27:02.724 So there is a lot that we can do. 00:27:03.354 --> 00:27:03.804 Yeah, 00:27:03.894 --> 00:27:04.554 Tricia: exactly. 00:27:04.554 --> 00:27:07.464 And I, I think you said a key word there, it's paying attention 00:27:07.464 --> 00:27:09.804 and it is paying attention. 00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:15.084 I, I think when you think about it in terms of, of health, um, just like 00:27:15.174 --> 00:27:19.614 it's, it's easy to, you know, to give a easy, to give a treat, give a toy. 00:27:21.084 --> 00:27:24.234 But pay attention, play with them, you know, give them that. 00:27:24.234 --> 00:27:27.954 And then through that you're gonna be actually able to connect with them 00:27:27.954 --> 00:27:32.664 more and understand really what more is going on in their bodies because 00:27:32.664 --> 00:27:34.104 you're interacting with them more. 00:27:34.794 --> 00:27:37.434 Um, and how important that is. 00:27:37.554 --> 00:27:42.924 Especially, you know, it, it, you know, time, we, we can never get time back. 00:27:43.479 --> 00:27:43.599 Anke: Never. 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.259 That's so true. 00:27:44.439 --> 00:27:44.979 That's so true. 00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:46.184 And it's more fun for both of them. 00:27:46.764 --> 00:27:48.009 For both of us anyway. 00:27:48.009 --> 00:27:48.279 Right. 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:49.509 It just spent more time. 00:27:50.379 --> 00:27:50.859 I agree. 00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:52.239 I agree. 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:52.959 I love it. 00:27:52.959 --> 00:27:56.409 Where can people find out more about, about you, about 00:27:56.409 --> 00:27:58.119 your work, about, you know. 00:28:00.424 --> 00:28:00.994 Tricia: I love it. 00:28:00.994 --> 00:28:01.684 Thank you. 00:28:02.014 --> 00:28:04.294 They can find us on luces march.com 00:28:04.294 --> 00:28:08.644 and you can find all the resources there. 00:28:08.644 --> 00:28:12.364 We actually have a re a resource page for, for early detection. 00:28:12.664 --> 00:28:14.914 If people have questions, they can contact us. 00:28:14.914 --> 00:28:17.699 We have veterinarians, we have people that we can re. 00:28:20.529 --> 00:28:23.259 Questions on early detection, 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test, pet cancer test, and creating awareness. 00:29:03.494 --> 00:29:03.914 Um. 00:29:04.099 --> 00:29:05.449 And that's what we're here for. 00:29:05.449 --> 00:29:09.499 We're, um, we're here for, for marching, for more memories and, 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:11.299 and hope and quality of life. 00:29:12.439 --> 00:29:12.619 Anke: Love. 00:29:13.129 --> 00:29:15.439 There's nothing I can add to that. 00:29:16.099 --> 00:29:18.859 Thank you so much for coming and raising this. 00:29:18.949 --> 00:29:19.279 Thank you. 00:29:19.309 --> 00:29:23.299 You know, really like, so emotional topic and so important. 00:29:23.299 --> 00:29:28.549 So, and to give us hope as well to know that there is, you know, things we can do. 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.139 So thank you. 00:29:30.724 --> 00:29:31.954 Thanks so much for listening. 00:29:32.474 --> 00:29:36.774 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:29:36.874 --> 00:29:38.654 other dog lovers can find the 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