WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.520 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.520 --> 00:00:11.660 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.140 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:17.690 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits with the 00:00:17.690 --> 00:00:20.120 people in businesses that comprise the community. 00:00:20.900 --> 00:00:22.790 If you're a new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.790 --> 00:00:26.990 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.990 --> 00:00:29.300 you can learn more about courses, services, and 00:00:29.300 --> 00:00:31.490 products that we offer as well as how you can 00:00:31.490 --> 00:00:34.129 join The silvercore Club, which includes 10 million 00:00:34.130 --> 00:00:36.580 in north America wide liability insurance, to 00:00:36.580 --> 00:00:38.840 ensure you are properly covered during your 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:39.710 outdoor adventures. 00:00:44.030 --> 00:00:46.250 Today I'm talking wild goats with Jeff 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:48.290 Agostinho from the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance. 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:50.870 This group is a grassroots organization 00:00:50.900 --> 00:00:53.120 dedicated to enhancing and conserving North 00:00:53.120 --> 00:00:54.950 America's rocky mountain goats. 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.150 Jeff, welcome to The Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:58.590 --> 00:00:59.700 Thanks for having me on Travis. 00:00:59.850 --> 00:01:00.660 Absolutely. 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.600 So Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance, can you tell 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.270 me a little bit about what this organization 00:01:06.270 --> 00:01:09.030 does and how you became involved with them? 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:11.420 So, Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance started out 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:12.860 in the states in 2013. 00:01:13.130 --> 00:01:15.470 It was grassroots organization focused on 00:01:15.950 --> 00:01:19.250 Rocky Mountain Goats, uh, mainly in Montana 00:01:19.250 --> 00:01:20.060 where it had originated. 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:21.770 And then from there they've grown 00:01:21.770 --> 00:01:22.490 over the years. 00:01:22.820 --> 00:01:25.150 Uh, the main mission of Rocky Mountain Goat 00:01:25.150 --> 00:01:27.980 Alliance is to work on habitat, mountain goats 00:01:27.980 --> 00:01:29.600 and everything to do with mountain goats. 00:01:31.160 --> 00:01:31.520 Right. 00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:36.830 So I've never actually hunted mountain goats. 00:01:37.190 --> 00:01:38.900 I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a mountain 00:01:38.900 --> 00:01:39.800 goat in the wild. 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:41.510 I know I've seen them in the zoos. 00:01:41.510 --> 00:01:42.860 I spend a fair bit of time out in the 00:01:42.860 --> 00:01:44.480 mountains, but just not in areas where there 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:45.470 are mountain goats. 00:01:45.945 --> 00:01:50.445 Um, BC houses, what, the largest amount of 00:01:50.445 --> 00:01:51.854 mountain goats are in North America, like. 00:01:51.854 --> 00:01:53.054 Yes. 50% or more. 00:01:53.264 --> 00:01:53.514 Yep. 00:01:53.514 --> 00:01:55.294 We have about 50% of the total mountain 00:01:55.294 --> 00:01:56.615 goat population in North America. 00:01:57.125 --> 00:01:59.345 So there's a very big amount of mountain goats 00:01:59.345 --> 00:02:03.035 here and we're kind of, uh, yeah, we, we have 50% 00:02:03.035 --> 00:02:05.044 of the population and the most of anywhere kind of 00:02:05.044 --> 00:02:06.125 else in North America. 00:02:06.185 --> 00:02:07.735 So what got you involved with this. 00:02:08.164 --> 00:02:09.195 So I've just been . Passionate about 00:02:09.195 --> 00:02:10.905 conservation over the last three to four years. 00:02:11.204 --> 00:02:13.155 Uh, I've hunted mountain goats, I'vespent a lot 00:02:13.155 --> 00:02:15.105 of time in mountain goat country, and I really 00:02:15.105 --> 00:02:17.085 wanted to bring the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance up 00:02:17.085 --> 00:02:19.065 into Canada because there hadn't been a lot of work 00:02:19.125 --> 00:02:20.085 previously done here. 00:02:20.355 --> 00:02:22.725 So, uh, last year, the Rocky Mountain 00:02:22.725 --> 00:02:23.894 Goat Alliance launched their regional 00:02:23.894 --> 00:02:25.875 representative program, which I immediately 00:02:25.875 --> 00:02:26.535 signed up for. 00:02:26.805 --> 00:02:28.965 And then moving into 2021, we started 00:02:28.965 --> 00:02:30.885 working on a project to do with mountain 00:02:30.885 --> 00:02:33.015 goats right up here in the Chilliwack area. 00:02:33.105 --> 00:02:34.795 And Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance jumped 00:02:34.795 --> 00:02:35.505 on board with that. 00:02:35.835 --> 00:02:37.875 And it's the partnership has kind of grown from 00:02:37.875 --> 00:02:40.945 there and I will be the first or am the first 00:02:40.965 --> 00:02:43.005 regional representative on for the Rocky 00:02:43.005 --> 00:02:43.715 Mountain Goat Alliance. 00:02:43.775 --> 00:02:44.435 Very nice. 00:02:44.465 --> 00:02:46.385 So, so what, what's this, what's going 00:02:46.385 --> 00:02:47.135 on in Chilliwack? 00:02:47.405 --> 00:02:51.630 So to June 25th and 26th, we did the first Canadian 00:02:51.630 --> 00:02:52.440 mountain goat survey. 00:02:52.710 --> 00:02:55.830 We had about 46 individuals out to do a 00:02:56.010 --> 00:02:57.960 survey of the Chilliwack River Valley, and then 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.460 coming in from the south side of the Skagit 00:02:59.460 --> 00:03:01.410 to count the mountain goats within that area. 00:03:01.829 --> 00:03:03.750 Uh, working hand in hand with the regional 00:03:03.750 --> 00:03:06.300 biologist, just to achieve a ground 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:08.730 survey count of what we could see in a 00:03:08.730 --> 00:03:09.329 matter of two days. 00:03:09.860 --> 00:03:10.370 Gotcha. 00:03:11.180 --> 00:03:13.280 So you, you've got a background in 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:14.750 hunting from what I understand, you've been 00:03:14.750 --> 00:03:17.090 hunting from a pretty early age and family 00:03:17.090 --> 00:03:18.079 background of hunting. 00:03:18.915 --> 00:03:21.975 Have you been hunting in the mountains 00:03:22.035 --> 00:03:22.725 very long or? 00:03:23.075 --> 00:03:25.595 I did my first mountain hunt when I was 20. 00:03:25.595 --> 00:03:28.175 So what, six years ago I did a fly in my first 00:03:28.175 --> 00:03:30.185 mountain goat or sorry, first mountain hunting 00:03:30.185 --> 00:03:32.375 experience was a fly in trip in Northern 00:03:32.375 --> 00:03:33.035 British Columbia. 00:03:33.485 --> 00:03:35.765 Um, and then from there it just kind of evolved 00:03:35.765 --> 00:03:37.235 and I've gotten more and more into the mountain 00:03:37.235 --> 00:03:39.545 hunting aspect and being in these places 00:03:39.545 --> 00:03:41.345 in more remote areas of British Columbia chasing 00:03:41.435 --> 00:03:42.275 certain types of items. 00:03:42.695 --> 00:03:45.245 So that first fly in hunt was that a, uh, that was 00:03:45.245 --> 00:03:45.995 a caribou hunt, right? 00:03:46.145 --> 00:03:46.475 Yeah. 00:03:46.475 --> 00:03:48.935 That was a caribou hunt in, uh, 00:03:49.265 --> 00:03:51.305 yeah, Northwestern British Columbia. 00:03:51.875 --> 00:03:54.935 And we were successful on day six I believe, 00:03:54.995 --> 00:03:56.705 on a caribou, hunting partners took a caribou 00:03:57.035 --> 00:03:59.105 and that was just a big wake up call for me. 00:03:59.405 --> 00:04:02.015 I remember getting back after seven days to the 00:04:02.015 --> 00:04:04.265 lake we'd been dropped off on no skin left on 00:04:04.265 --> 00:04:07.055 my heels, not having the proper gear, just body 00:04:07.055 --> 00:04:08.015 completely destroyed. 00:04:08.015 --> 00:04:10.145 And, uh, but I knew I wanted to get right 00:04:10.145 --> 00:04:11.465 back out there as soon as possible. 00:04:11.675 --> 00:04:12.335 You wanted more. 00:04:12.455 --> 00:04:12.905 Yeah. 00:04:12.905 --> 00:04:14.435 So I haven't done any mountain hunting. 00:04:14.615 --> 00:04:15.115 Not yet. 00:04:15.285 --> 00:04:15.785 No. 00:04:15.845 --> 00:04:19.870 But, in another month or so I'll be flying in 00:04:19.870 --> 00:04:23.170 and doing my first, uh, fly in caribou hunt. 00:04:23.320 --> 00:04:24.050 Oh that's going to be awesome. 00:04:24.050 --> 00:04:26.140 In a remote northern area, probably not too 00:04:26.140 --> 00:04:27.820 far from where you were. 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.430 And I'll be bringing my 12 year old son with me. 00:04:30.490 --> 00:04:33.700 So that might be a little bit of a, a, that's 00:04:33.700 --> 00:04:34.510 going to be an adventure. 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:34.950 Yeah. 00:04:34.950 --> 00:04:37.110 What's is he done quite a bit of hunting yet 00:04:37.110 --> 00:04:38.970 with you or spent time with you in the field or? 00:04:39.390 --> 00:04:40.470 Uh, in the field? 00:04:40.470 --> 00:04:40.950 Yes. 00:04:40.950 --> 00:04:41.460 Hunting. 00:04:41.460 --> 00:04:44.640 He's been, uh, hunting for, you got his license 00:04:44.640 --> 00:04:46.020 when he was 10 years old. 00:04:46.290 --> 00:04:49.710 He harvested his first, uh, animals last year. 00:04:49.890 --> 00:04:54.855 And, uh, at this one it's going to be a, it's 00:04:54.855 --> 00:04:58.155 going to be a mountain experience and if he's 00:04:58.185 --> 00:04:59.715 able to be successful out there, great. 00:04:59.715 --> 00:05:01.275 But otherwise he'll be, he'll be helping 00:05:01.275 --> 00:05:03.475 with other things on the, on the group. 00:05:03.545 --> 00:05:04.265 That'll be awesome. 00:05:04.385 --> 00:05:05.195 I'm sure he'll enjoy it. 00:05:05.195 --> 00:05:06.635 And you'll have them hooked from an early age. 00:05:06.695 --> 00:05:07.115 Oh. 00:05:07.115 --> 00:05:08.525 You know, I think he was already hooked, 00:05:08.615 --> 00:05:13.055 but in all of this, I, um, I, you don't know 00:05:13.055 --> 00:05:14.105 what you don't know. 00:05:14.135 --> 00:05:14.465 Right. 00:05:14.465 --> 00:05:16.825 And so being the first mountain and you know, 00:05:17.705 --> 00:05:19.625 looking at different gear, different tents 00:05:19.625 --> 00:05:21.335 than I'd use when I'm mountaineering. 00:05:21.435 --> 00:05:25.745 Uh larger tents for, um, all the kit and 00:05:25.745 --> 00:05:28.355 what we're looking to do, uh, looking at, 00:05:28.355 --> 00:05:33.065 uh, uh, of course your bino's, spotting scopes 00:05:33.065 --> 00:05:34.025 are very important. 00:05:34.475 --> 00:05:37.325 Uh, I should imagine when you're, uh, you're 00:05:37.325 --> 00:05:40.365 talking about the, the mountain goats, having a 00:05:40.365 --> 00:05:42.855 very good spotting scope would be just a crucial 00:05:42.855 --> 00:05:43.905 piece of equipment. 00:05:44.225 --> 00:05:44.885 Absolutely. 00:05:44.915 --> 00:05:45.095 Yeah. 00:05:45.095 --> 00:05:47.015 I think anytime you're hunting, especially 00:05:47.015 --> 00:05:48.625 mountain goats, or any mountain species, 00:05:48.625 --> 00:05:50.675 mountain goats in particular, just because 00:05:50.675 --> 00:05:52.475 of the identification factor, having that 00:05:52.475 --> 00:05:55.385 spotting scope is vital to being successful in 00:05:55.385 --> 00:05:56.265 taking the right animal. 00:05:56.655 --> 00:05:58.715 So I watched a really good video that you guys 00:05:58.715 --> 00:06:01.055 put out and it had Steve Rinella narrating it. 00:06:01.115 --> 00:06:02.285 Yeah. That was pretty cool. 00:06:02.315 --> 00:06:02.675 Yeah. 00:06:02.675 --> 00:06:03.865 How, how old is that video? 00:06:04.235 --> 00:06:07.385 That video I believe is six years old. 00:06:07.415 --> 00:06:07.915 Okay. 00:06:07.985 --> 00:06:08.535 Off the top of my head. 00:06:08.535 --> 00:06:11.525 And it was talking about identifying the gender 00:06:11.525 --> 00:06:13.895 or sexing mountain goats and how they tell 00:06:13.895 --> 00:06:16.415 the difference, the difference between a 00:06:16.415 --> 00:06:19.685 billy and a nanny and cause they, they're both 00:06:19.715 --> 00:06:20.675 going to have horns. 00:06:21.875 --> 00:06:24.335 And it also talked about the impact of making 00:06:24.345 --> 00:06:26.285 an improper harvest, which I thought was 00:06:26.285 --> 00:06:27.215 pretty interesting. 00:06:27.635 --> 00:06:29.885 It says, if I remember correctly, 00:06:29.915 --> 00:06:32.015 it was, it spanned a five-year period. 00:06:32.375 --> 00:06:36.655 And it says, if you, uh, if you take a billy, uh, 00:06:36.945 --> 00:06:39.735 in five years, here's what the population 00:06:39.735 --> 00:06:40.305 is going to look like. 00:06:40.305 --> 00:06:42.525 If you take a nanny and these, these mountain 00:06:42.525 --> 00:06:44.115 goat populations, they're not huge. 00:06:44.145 --> 00:06:44.475 Nope. 00:06:44.475 --> 00:06:46.605 You take a nanny at essentially. 00:06:46.605 --> 00:06:49.665 Will cut that population by about 50%. 00:06:50.015 --> 00:06:50.345 Yeah. 00:06:50.345 --> 00:06:52.205 That's, the way that the video shows it. 00:06:52.205 --> 00:06:52.565 Yeah. 00:06:52.565 --> 00:06:52.955 Okay. 00:06:52.955 --> 00:06:54.965 Yeah, just down the line and over that, 00:06:54.965 --> 00:06:57.275 those amount of years, um, by taking that 00:06:57.275 --> 00:06:59.075 nanny, the amount of kids that you're 00:06:59.075 --> 00:07:02.615 reducing over however many years does have a 00:07:02.615 --> 00:07:03.515 big effect on a herd. 00:07:04.985 --> 00:07:08.225 So if you started caribou hunting and then he 00:07:08.225 --> 00:07:10.265 said, Hey, I want it was the next one, another 00:07:10.265 --> 00:07:12.575 caribou, or were you into sheep or goats? 00:07:12.575 --> 00:07:14.224 Well, how did the progression work? 00:07:14.525 --> 00:07:17.195 It went caribou, caribou, and then actually, no, 00:07:17.225 --> 00:07:18.035 I did do a goat hunt. 00:07:18.035 --> 00:07:21.035 After that caribou hunt, I did a Southeastern 00:07:21.035 --> 00:07:22.085 BC mountain goat hunt. 00:07:22.595 --> 00:07:24.965 Um, in an area we had never been into. 00:07:25.205 --> 00:07:26.675 A couple of friends, drew a tag, and we had 00:07:26.675 --> 00:07:29.075 never, one of my friends had taken a goat, but 00:07:29.075 --> 00:07:30.905 two of us had never, never even hunted goats. 00:07:31.175 --> 00:07:32.375 Just wanted to go and experience this. 00:07:32.375 --> 00:07:34.080 So we made a run at it. 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:36.300 And we spent four days just trying to 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:38.280 break through treeline in different areas. 00:07:38.280 --> 00:07:41.250 And it was a nightmare, but, um, 00:07:41.580 --> 00:07:42.390 yeah, it was awesome. 00:07:42.390 --> 00:07:43.950 We saw a couple of goats, nothing we wanted 00:07:43.950 --> 00:07:45.210 to take or nothing we could even really get 00:07:45.210 --> 00:07:46.140 close enough to take. 00:07:46.200 --> 00:07:46.680 Right. 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:48.570 Uh, but a big learning curve just on the country 00:07:48.570 --> 00:07:50.130 that those mountain goats live in and the 00:07:50.130 --> 00:07:51.540 kind of areas that they tend to frequent 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:53.460 and how hard it is sometimes to access them. 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:54.200 No kidding. 00:07:54.650 --> 00:07:57.570 So for me, if you're to say Trav, look it, 00:07:57.590 --> 00:07:59.510 I know you've never hunted goats before. 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.560 Here's the 1 0 1. 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:03.540 What would you say is most important? 00:08:03.540 --> 00:08:06.600 What would you, what would you pack and 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:10.170 what would you prepare with like, uh, any 00:08:10.170 --> 00:08:11.460 research that you do ahead of time? 00:08:11.870 --> 00:08:13.490 So, I mean, I think the most important thing, 00:08:13.490 --> 00:08:14.690 just going back to what we were just talking 00:08:14.690 --> 00:08:16.340 about when you're planning a mountain goat 00:08:16.340 --> 00:08:18.350 hunt, the first thing you need to do is watch that 00:08:18.350 --> 00:08:20.480 Rocky Mount Goat Alliance video on identifying 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:21.310 and sexing goats. 00:08:21.390 --> 00:08:21.700 Right. 00:08:21.700 --> 00:08:23.120 You need to become comfortable. 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.730 You need to go on whatever it's Instagram, 00:08:25.730 --> 00:08:26.840 the internet, or whatever it may be, 00:08:26.840 --> 00:08:28.160 and get comfortable with identifying a 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:29.120 billy versus a nanny. 00:08:29.420 --> 00:08:31.310 I think that's the most important thing that you 00:08:31.310 --> 00:08:32.870 need to do when preparing for a mountain goat hunt. 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.170 Above area, above gear above anything else. 00:08:36.410 --> 00:08:37.730 It's the identification factor. 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:38.900 Well said. 00:08:38.930 --> 00:08:40.310 Yeah, that's going to be the first. 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.435 From there, getting your gear in line. 00:08:43.435 --> 00:08:44.775 And we're pretty fortunate here in 00:08:44.775 --> 00:08:45.525 British Columbia. 00:08:45.735 --> 00:08:47.385 We can hunt goats from August 1st in 00:08:47.385 --> 00:08:49.155 some areas right out to February 28th. 00:08:49.335 --> 00:08:49.755 Right. 00:08:49.755 --> 00:08:52.035 So it's kind of going to depend on 00:08:52.035 --> 00:08:52.545 what you want to do. 00:08:52.545 --> 00:08:53.685 I'm not going to recommend anyone. 00:08:53.685 --> 00:08:55.365 Who's never hunted goats before to go out 00:08:55.365 --> 00:08:56.865 and try and attempt a late February 00:08:56.895 --> 00:08:57.555 mountain goat hunt. 00:08:58.035 --> 00:08:58.665 I've been there. 00:08:58.995 --> 00:09:00.165 It's not somewhere you want to start. 00:09:00.525 --> 00:09:02.835 Um, but generally it's going to be that 00:09:02.835 --> 00:09:04.575 mid September, early September hunts that 00:09:04.575 --> 00:09:05.535 guys are preparing for. 00:09:05.895 --> 00:09:08.115 And it's generally pretty similar to most 00:09:08.115 --> 00:09:09.105 mountain hunts that you're going to want to 00:09:09.105 --> 00:09:11.625 do, or that most guys are doing in terms of gear. 00:09:12.045 --> 00:09:14.325 Uh, the one thing to keep in mind is that mountain 00:09:14.325 --> 00:09:16.575 goats do live in very, very steep terrain. 00:09:16.905 --> 00:09:18.795 So it's a matter of getting comfortable with 00:09:18.795 --> 00:09:20.595 being in that kind of country at times as well. 00:09:21.135 --> 00:09:23.175 And one of the other factors that a lot of 00:09:23.175 --> 00:09:24.825 people don't consider when they are hunting 00:09:24.825 --> 00:09:25.995 mountain goats or planning to hunt mountain 00:09:25.995 --> 00:09:28.155 goats is whether or not you're going to 00:09:28.155 --> 00:09:29.865 be able to, if you do take an animal, 00:09:29.985 --> 00:09:31.575 retrieve that animal, it's a lot to think 00:09:31.575 --> 00:09:32.415 about at the same time. 00:09:32.625 --> 00:09:33.125 Totally. 00:09:33.195 --> 00:09:33.695 Yeah. 00:09:33.795 --> 00:09:36.675 So one of the biggest things in the field 00:09:36.675 --> 00:09:38.415 is when you're looking at these goats you've 00:09:38.415 --> 00:09:39.985 identified a Billy and you want to take it 00:09:39.985 --> 00:09:41.215 is can I get to him. 00:09:41.645 --> 00:09:41.885 Mhmm. 00:09:41.885 --> 00:09:44.069 And I've been in situations where we 00:09:44.069 --> 00:09:45.720 definitely just could not get to that goat. 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.300 Like there was no way we could safely retrieve 00:09:48.300 --> 00:09:49.920 that goat without maybe having a helicopter, or 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:50.750 full out climbing gear. 00:09:50.969 --> 00:09:51.250 Right. 00:09:51.250 --> 00:09:52.410 It just wasn't going to happen. 00:09:52.410 --> 00:09:54.660 So, um, that's another big factor when 00:09:54.660 --> 00:09:55.890 you're hunting these hunting mountain. 00:09:57.410 --> 00:10:00.949 So we're talking about identification, not 00:10:00.949 --> 00:10:02.839 everybody who's listening to this is going to go 00:10:02.839 --> 00:10:05.480 online and look at the video and go through it. 00:10:05.660 --> 00:10:07.430 Anybody who is going to be hunting mountain 00:10:07.430 --> 00:10:09.620 goats absolutely should be looking at that 00:10:09.650 --> 00:10:13.370 and doing their own research on identifying 00:10:13.370 --> 00:10:14.040 the sex of them. 00:10:14.565 --> 00:10:17.265 What tips would you give to somebody listening 00:10:17.265 --> 00:10:19.755 to this on how to properly identify and 00:10:19.755 --> 00:10:21.495 sex these mountain goats? 00:10:21.995 --> 00:10:24.635 So the there's two very, in my opinion, 00:10:24.635 --> 00:10:27.035 big giveaways, the first being the horns. 00:10:27.965 --> 00:10:29.405 Generally believes are going to be a lot 00:10:29.405 --> 00:10:30.695 thicker at the bases that are going to carry 00:10:30.695 --> 00:10:31.685 that weight throughout. 00:10:31.985 --> 00:10:32.975 And then there's the curvature. 00:10:32.975 --> 00:10:34.715 The billy's tend to have a lot more of 00:10:34.715 --> 00:10:36.905 a gradual curve to their horns where 00:10:36.905 --> 00:10:39.215 nannies tend to have the curve at the top. 00:10:39.215 --> 00:10:41.225 And it almost creates a little bit of a kink, 00:10:41.225 --> 00:10:43.055 like look at the top of a nanny's horns. 00:10:43.295 --> 00:10:43.865 Right. 00:10:43.925 --> 00:10:46.625 That isn't ,so it isn't so gradual. 00:10:47.045 --> 00:10:49.595 The other big thing that most guys should 00:10:49.595 --> 00:10:51.695 know or wait for, if you can't identify them by 00:10:51.695 --> 00:10:55.115 the horns, is this how they go pee pretty much. 00:10:55.235 --> 00:10:55.735 Right, okay. 00:10:55.745 --> 00:10:56.245 Yeah. 00:10:56.285 --> 00:10:59.055 So a nanny will squat and a billy will stretch. 00:10:59.574 --> 00:11:02.415 That's a dead giveaway right there, is which 00:11:02.415 --> 00:11:03.915 way, how they go when they go to the bathroom. 00:11:04.295 --> 00:11:04.835 That's a good one. 00:11:04.865 --> 00:11:05.135 Yeah. 00:11:05.135 --> 00:11:06.545 So if you can't get it to sit there 00:11:06.545 --> 00:11:07.205 and wait and wait. 00:11:07.775 --> 00:11:08.275 Exactly. 00:11:08.635 --> 00:11:10.145 Well, hope they're well-hydrated. 00:11:10.295 --> 00:11:11.065 Yeah exactly. 00:11:11.065 --> 00:11:13.115 And I think with most mountain species, 00:11:13.145 --> 00:11:14.795 generally three to four hours, you're seeing 00:11:14.795 --> 00:11:16.505 them get up at least once to stretch or 00:11:16.805 --> 00:11:18.575 go to the washroom or do whatever they got 00:11:18.575 --> 00:11:19.265 to do their business. 00:11:19.265 --> 00:11:22.505 So if you don't know, just wait, be patient. 00:11:23.850 --> 00:11:26.640 So what, what does the, the goat population 00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:28.290 look like here in British Columbia? 00:11:28.290 --> 00:11:29.070 Is it pretty healthy? 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:31.940 W, our populations currently very healthy 00:11:31.940 --> 00:11:32.480 for mountain goats. 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.520 Like I said, we've got 50% of the mountain goats 00:11:34.850 --> 00:11:36.530 and they're spread out throughout pretty much 00:11:36.530 --> 00:11:37.460 our entire province. 00:11:37.730 --> 00:11:39.320 We've got goats, like I said, right here in 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.690 Chilliwack, uh, up in, through Harrison, in 00:11:41.690 --> 00:11:43.610 Squamish and all the way outside of that, 00:11:43.610 --> 00:11:48.110 right through region 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and eight, 00:11:48.110 --> 00:11:49.610 all old mountain goats. 00:11:49.940 --> 00:11:52.070 We've got them on the coastal inlets on 00:11:52.370 --> 00:11:53.980 the west end there. 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:54.710 Right. 00:11:54.920 --> 00:11:56.090 The only place that we don't have 00:11:56.090 --> 00:11:59.000 mountain goats is on Vancouver island so. 00:11:59.030 --> 00:11:59.530 Right. 00:11:59.570 --> 00:12:00.070 Yeah. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.150 So what are some of the biggest threats to 00:12:02.150 --> 00:12:03.170 the goat populations? 00:12:03.950 --> 00:12:06.440 So we've, it's, it's an interesting question 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:07.850 because we've been trying to identify a 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:10.430 little bit of it just with Chilliwack and 00:12:10.460 --> 00:12:11.240 a couple of areas. 00:12:12.570 --> 00:12:14.100 I think personally, one of the biggest 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:15.090 threats that we're seeing to mountain 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:17.400 goats today in a lot of areas is recreational 00:12:17.400 --> 00:12:19.800 and non-consumptive recreation in terms 00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:22.410 of hikers, mountain biking, ATV, and all 00:12:22.410 --> 00:12:23.160 that type of stuff. 00:12:23.490 --> 00:12:24.900 Um, there's, there's a few others. 00:12:24.900 --> 00:12:27.060 Predation is a bit of a factor. 00:12:27.450 --> 00:12:29.550 Uh, one of the things you can go on YouTube 00:12:29.550 --> 00:12:32.940 and see is, uh, eagles trying to knock off 00:12:32.940 --> 00:12:33.840 kids off cliffs. 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:34.680 I've seen that. 00:12:34.680 --> 00:12:35.130 Yeah. 00:12:35.130 --> 00:12:37.920 So a lot of people don't believe that until they 00:12:37.920 --> 00:12:39.300 go and search the video, but it's a real thing. 00:12:39.300 --> 00:12:41.190 And it's a real threat to, you know, kids 00:12:41.190 --> 00:12:43.140 or goats on some of those steep spots. 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:46.290 Um, but I think recreation in certain 00:12:46.290 --> 00:12:50.100 areas is a big threat and potentially disease. 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:51.810 I know that there has been a little bit of 00:12:51.810 --> 00:12:54.300 disease identified outside of BC I believe 00:12:54.300 --> 00:12:56.580 it was, a few years back, in mountain goats. 00:12:56.850 --> 00:13:01.200 Um, it hasn't come up big yet as a threat, but 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:02.820 it could down the road become something that we 00:13:02.820 --> 00:13:04.230 definitely need to start paying attention to. 00:13:05.030 --> 00:13:07.910 So non-consumptive users, that's looking 00:13:07.910 --> 00:13:10.755 like one of the, the larger threats to the, 00:13:10.755 --> 00:13:11.415 the mountain goats. 00:13:11.444 --> 00:13:13.125 Yes, exactly. 00:13:13.155 --> 00:13:14.475 It's not something most people would 00:13:14.475 --> 00:13:15.074 think about, but. 00:13:15.074 --> 00:13:15.555 No. 00:13:15.555 --> 00:13:17.714 Um, how many people are hiking into the Alpine 00:13:17.714 --> 00:13:19.245 all the time or doing that kind of stuff, or, 00:13:19.545 --> 00:13:20.745 I mean, there's a lot of areas where you can 00:13:20.745 --> 00:13:23.385 snowmobile or you can take an ATV or you can 00:13:23.385 --> 00:13:24.915 drive a vehicle right up into the Alpine. 00:13:24.915 --> 00:13:26.324 We've got lots areas here in British 00:13:26.324 --> 00:13:28.635 Columbia where you can take a 4x4 vehicle. 00:13:28.635 --> 00:13:30.165 And there's certain groups that go up into 00:13:30.165 --> 00:13:31.665 these Alpine areas that do have mountain 00:13:31.665 --> 00:13:33.735 goats and having these roads and everything 00:13:33.735 --> 00:13:35.324 in them definitely doesn't have any sort of 00:13:35.324 --> 00:13:36.255 positive effect on them. 00:13:36.584 --> 00:13:37.125 Right. 00:13:37.125 --> 00:13:38.584 So it's just stressing them out or? 00:13:38.635 --> 00:13:39.665 Exactly. 00:13:40.105 --> 00:13:40.655 Pushing them further? 00:13:40.655 --> 00:13:41.344 Pushing them further or pushing them 00:13:41.344 --> 00:13:42.155 into certain areas. 00:13:42.395 --> 00:13:45.395 I don't know if it causes any, w we don't know 00:13:45.395 --> 00:13:48.305 yet if it causes any sort of, um, issue with 00:13:48.334 --> 00:13:51.905 breeding and, uh, that aspect of it, it may or 00:13:51.905 --> 00:13:52.865 may not, that pressure. 00:13:53.224 --> 00:13:54.935 Um, but yeah, it's caused them to go into 00:13:54.935 --> 00:13:57.064 certain areas that they're not normally in. 00:13:57.395 --> 00:13:59.555 And we saw that in the Chilliwack area, when 00:13:59.645 --> 00:14:01.625 people are hiking the top peaks and people 00:14:01.625 --> 00:14:04.025 are snowmobiling in the Alpine and their 00:14:04.025 --> 00:14:05.345 winter range and all that as well. 00:14:06.185 --> 00:14:10.035 Do you ever find there's much uh, mountain 00:14:10.035 --> 00:14:11.745 goat, human conflict. 00:14:13.005 --> 00:14:15.375 So there's there definitely, 00:14:15.395 --> 00:14:16.505 really can be. 00:14:16.505 --> 00:14:19.265 I mean, we've seen, I believe it was in, uh, 00:14:19.715 --> 00:14:21.995 down in Washington, there was a situation where 00:14:21.995 --> 00:14:24.455 a person was actually gored by a mountain goat. 00:14:24.745 --> 00:14:25.245 Wow. 00:14:25.295 --> 00:14:25.595 Yeah. 00:14:25.595 --> 00:14:27.935 So I mean, that's, that's a pretty extreme example. 00:14:28.355 --> 00:14:30.995 Um, but it, it did happen. 00:14:31.475 --> 00:14:34.535 And in BC right now, they're doing some work. 00:14:34.625 --> 00:14:36.395 Uh, Laura Balex I don't know if you've 00:14:36.395 --> 00:14:37.205 heard of her before. 00:14:37.385 --> 00:14:40.745 She's doing some work in cathedral, um, down 00:14:40.745 --> 00:14:42.575 in region eight there where they're kind of 00:14:42.755 --> 00:14:47.075 looking into that in terms of the human goat 00:14:47.345 --> 00:14:50.345 conflict and what that, uh, what that does to 00:14:50.345 --> 00:14:51.875 the mountain goats, because there definitely 00:14:51.875 --> 00:14:53.015 is a big factor of that. 00:14:53.015 --> 00:14:57.814 I know, I heard a mention of, um, the goats were 00:14:57.814 --> 00:15:00.210 attracted to, like they were using human 00:15:00.210 --> 00:15:01.410 urine to attract goats. 00:15:02.040 --> 00:15:03.080 They were coming right into it for I 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:04.760 guess I would assume it was for the salt. 00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:05.660 I've heard that. 00:15:05.689 --> 00:15:05.990 Yeah. 00:15:05.990 --> 00:15:07.580 So when you think about that, that's 00:15:07.580 --> 00:15:08.120 pretty crazy. 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.770 There's provincial parks in there, there's rec 00:15:09.770 --> 00:15:11.540 sites and mountain goats are coming in there. 00:15:11.540 --> 00:15:13.699 It's, it's definitely an cause some pressure, 00:15:13.699 --> 00:15:14.810 puts some pressure on them with that and 00:15:14.810 --> 00:15:17.060 that's direct human goat conflict right there. 00:15:17.270 --> 00:15:17.960 Interesting. 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:19.910 I do think people tend to want to dry and get 00:15:19.910 --> 00:15:21.800 too close and maybe try and take pictures with 00:15:21.800 --> 00:15:23.600 their phones, which puts a bit of pressure on the 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.620 mountain goats and tends to push them into areas 00:15:25.640 --> 00:15:27.170 maybe they're not so comfortable in being in. 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:29.689 Especially when you're talking, a lot of people 00:15:29.930 --> 00:15:31.520 are doing hikes at this time of year when 00:15:31.520 --> 00:15:33.770 kids are pretty fresh, they're just getting 00:15:33.770 --> 00:15:34.490 their legs under them. 00:15:34.730 --> 00:15:35.000 Right. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.220 So if you put pressure on or herd of goats 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:40.400 that contains 2, 3, 4 kids, and all of a 00:15:40.400 --> 00:15:42.319 sudden they're moving off into a steeper 00:15:42.319 --> 00:15:44.420 area or a cliff band or something like that, 00:15:44.689 --> 00:15:46.130 those kids might not have all their footing 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:46.819 and feet under them. 00:15:47.150 --> 00:15:48.319 There's a chance that one of them could 00:15:48.319 --> 00:15:49.700 take a fall and they won't survive that. 00:15:50.569 --> 00:15:51.069 Yeah. 00:15:52.965 --> 00:15:55.845 You know, when I, when I take a look at, uh, 00:15:55.935 --> 00:15:58.125 Alberta, there's no goat hunting this year. 00:15:58.835 --> 00:15:59.165 Yeah. 00:15:59.165 --> 00:16:00.725 So that's been an interesting one 00:16:00.725 --> 00:16:01.835 that we've kind of been discussing 00:16:01.835 --> 00:16:03.785 over the last month. 00:16:03.785 --> 00:16:06.005 And Darren Epp has been big on that and 00:16:06.005 --> 00:16:09.335 he's trying to get some answers on what it is. 00:16:09.335 --> 00:16:11.855 And we've got a few, we've got some 00:16:11.855 --> 00:16:15.005 communication with the local biologist, um, 00:16:15.485 --> 00:16:16.325 on what's causing it. 00:16:16.325 --> 00:16:20.645 And generally, uh, for a populate for 00:16:20.645 --> 00:16:22.235 us, sustainable harvest, you need 50 00:16:22.235 --> 00:16:23.045 goats within an area. 00:16:23.135 --> 00:16:24.185 That's generally the average. 00:16:24.185 --> 00:16:27.545 And that's the, what the biologist is kind 00:16:27.545 --> 00:16:29.495 of stated to Darren and those numbers have 00:16:29.495 --> 00:16:30.275 been on the decline. 00:16:30.275 --> 00:16:32.465 And one of the big things, again, going back 00:16:32.465 --> 00:16:36.135 to identifying the right goat to take, uh, was an 00:16:36.155 --> 00:16:38.645 over harvest of nannies a little while back before 00:16:38.645 --> 00:16:41.325 Alberta brought in the mandatory course before 00:16:41.345 --> 00:16:42.635 you do your goat hunt. 00:16:42.725 --> 00:16:43.475 Right. 00:16:43.935 --> 00:16:45.575 So, BC doesn't have that currently where 00:16:45.575 --> 00:16:47.135 you have to take some sort of mandatory course 00:16:47.135 --> 00:16:48.095 or education program. 00:16:48.215 --> 00:16:49.355 I should think it should be coming. 00:16:49.445 --> 00:16:50.255 Yeah. Hopefully. 00:16:50.345 --> 00:16:50.845 Yes. 00:16:51.540 --> 00:16:53.250 But Alberta has now brought that in, but 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:55.780 prior to that, there was high levels of nannie 00:16:55.800 --> 00:16:57.420 harvest in Alberta, which obviously has 00:16:57.420 --> 00:17:00.750 caused that effect on the herds, um, down through 00:17:00.750 --> 00:17:02.640 there as well as the recreational pressure. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.339 And they're investigating as to what else could 00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:07.050 be causing the numbers to be on the decline. 00:17:07.850 --> 00:17:11.210 So when you say 50 goats in an area, 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:13.760 how big of an area are we talking about? 00:17:14.250 --> 00:17:15.620 From what Iunderstand every area's 00:17:15.620 --> 00:17:16.250 totally different. 00:17:16.250 --> 00:17:18.410 It depends on the range, depends on multiple 00:17:18.410 --> 00:17:19.160 different factors. 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:20.690 What the carrying capacity could be 00:17:20.690 --> 00:17:21.800 within a specific range. 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.319 So it's, it's hard to say, you know, it's 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.370 20 kilometers, square kilometers with 30 00:17:26.370 --> 00:17:26.970 square kilometers. 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:28.350 Every area is totally different. 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:29.370 Right makes sense. 00:17:29.390 --> 00:17:29.690 Yeah. 00:17:29.690 --> 00:17:32.230 So it's hard to identify an exact size. 00:17:35.270 --> 00:17:37.460 When you go out on your hunts, how much time are 00:17:37.460 --> 00:17:39.020 you typically dedicating. 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:42.090 Every hunt's a little bit different. 00:17:42.450 --> 00:17:44.040 I did a mountain goat hunt in 2019 00:17:44.040 --> 00:17:45.390 where we dedicated four days and we got 00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:46.170 it done on day one. 00:17:47.520 --> 00:17:50.040 But we were going into an area where I had a decent 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:52.320 amount of information and I was able to go 00:17:52.320 --> 00:17:54.870 online and kind of pick out the spots I figured 00:17:54.870 --> 00:17:56.280 goats would be living in. 00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:58.440 And the day before season, we found two 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:00.270 billys and we took the billy on opening day. 00:18:00.300 --> 00:18:03.300 So, but generally it's going to depend on how 00:18:03.300 --> 00:18:05.100 far I'm going at, where I'm going, but I'd like 00:18:05.100 --> 00:18:07.740 to say seven to 10 days is the ideal amount of 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:09.630 time when we've done our winter hunts, we 00:18:09.630 --> 00:18:12.240 planned for eight to nine, just because of 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.040 travel and getting into these valleys can also 00:18:14.040 --> 00:18:14.730 be pretty difficult. 00:18:14.730 --> 00:18:16.310 So that got account a day on either end 00:18:16.320 --> 00:18:16.860 of that, at least. 00:18:16.860 --> 00:18:18.630 So if we're doing nine days, it gets a 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.440 seven days to hunt. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:20.730 Once we're actually into the valley or 00:18:20.730 --> 00:18:21.480 wherever we're going. 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.020 But generally that seven to 10 day period is 00:18:25.710 --> 00:18:26.610 what we like to be in. 00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:27.990 Yeah, it makes sense. 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:28.700 Yeah. 00:18:28.830 --> 00:18:34.110 So we kind of glossed over one of the pieces 00:18:34.230 --> 00:18:36.300 of information that I think a lot of people 00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:38.070 listening to this would really want to know, 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:39.240 and that would be kit. 00:18:39.570 --> 00:18:43.320 What kind of kit would you recommend that 00:18:43.320 --> 00:18:45.270 somebody start looking at if they wanted to get 00:18:45.270 --> 00:18:46.350 into mountain hunting? 00:18:46.820 --> 00:18:48.800 Yeah, that's, that's definitely something 00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:50.750 that, uh, a lot of people ask and they're always 00:18:50.750 --> 00:18:52.790 kind of wondering is what kind of gear to do 00:18:52.790 --> 00:18:54.920 and, you know, it can, it can be very overwhelming 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:56.540 once you start looking at the market, the hunting 00:18:56.540 --> 00:18:58.460 market and looking into the industry and what to 00:18:58.460 --> 00:18:59.420 kind of start with right. 00:18:59.930 --> 00:19:02.729 Um, the first thing that anybody, I always talk 00:19:02.739 --> 00:19:04.649 to people about, and the first question that I 00:19:04.649 --> 00:19:05.909 like to answer is boots. 00:19:06.270 --> 00:19:07.860 I think your boot selection is huge. 00:19:08.189 --> 00:19:10.229 A lot of guys tend to want to just kind of 00:19:10.679 --> 00:19:14.459 walk to the Cabela's or to the Bass Pro where 00:19:14.459 --> 00:19:16.379 they're carrying kind of their regular boots 00:19:16.679 --> 00:19:18.239 and think that that's going to be good enough. 00:19:18.689 --> 00:19:20.189 If you're getting into mountain hunting, 00:19:20.189 --> 00:19:21.989 especially with goat hunting, you're going to 00:19:21.989 --> 00:19:24.629 want, I know personally, I like having a stiff 00:19:24.659 --> 00:19:26.699 mountaineering boot cause you're in some of those 00:19:26.699 --> 00:19:29.520 conditions, but having a good boot and uh, you 00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:31.560 know, it, it depends on your budget, but uh, 00:19:31.830 --> 00:19:33.959 like I like Scarpa's personally I wear. 00:19:33.959 --> 00:19:34.809 They're nice yes. 00:19:34.809 --> 00:19:35.550 Yeah, exactly. 00:19:35.550 --> 00:19:37.770 Super stiff, a lot of support. 00:19:38.010 --> 00:19:40.110 Uh, and synthetic, I like having a synthetic 00:19:40.110 --> 00:19:40.739 boot personally. 00:19:41.250 --> 00:19:43.050 Um, there's some good leather boots too, 00:19:43.050 --> 00:19:44.790 depending on kind of personal preference, but 00:19:45.179 --> 00:19:47.750 picking a good boot that fits you well, you've 00:19:47.750 --> 00:19:49.760 spent some time in and it's going to be capable 00:19:49.760 --> 00:19:50.720 in those situations. 00:19:51.080 --> 00:19:53.360 The, the general boot that you would buy at 00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:56.210 Cabela's or whatever, like that is probably 00:19:56.210 --> 00:19:57.080 not going to cut it. 00:19:57.080 --> 00:19:58.310 And those kinds of mountain hunting 00:19:58.330 --> 00:20:00.770 conditions, uh, based on my personal experience,. 00:20:01.340 --> 00:20:03.350 My first ever mountain hunting trip, I wore a 00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:06.560 pair of Irish setter elk trackers that were not 00:20:06.560 --> 00:20:07.879 cut for carrying a pack. 00:20:08.090 --> 00:20:08.510 Yeah. 00:20:08.510 --> 00:20:11.270 Like they, you know, great boots for when 00:20:11.270 --> 00:20:12.830 I'm hanging out with my duck blind or something. 00:20:12.860 --> 00:20:13.639 I want to stay warm. 00:20:13.670 --> 00:20:14.110 Right. 00:20:14.110 --> 00:20:16.725 But on a mountain hunt when you've got 75, 00:20:16.725 --> 00:20:19.064 80, 90 pounds in your pack, they just do 00:20:19.064 --> 00:20:20.655 not cut it and they destroyed my feet. 00:20:20.804 --> 00:20:22.844 Maybe they work for some guys, but not for me. 00:20:23.054 --> 00:20:24.915 So when I talk to guys, definitely going 00:20:24.915 --> 00:20:26.175 to be wanting to look at a lot of those 00:20:26.175 --> 00:20:29.614 Italian made boots, I recommend, uh, let's see. 00:20:29.614 --> 00:20:30.155 Sportiva. 00:20:30.274 --> 00:20:31.985 La Sportiva, Scarpa's. 00:20:32.215 --> 00:20:32.715 Meindl. 00:20:32.855 --> 00:20:35.014 Meindl's, I've had a pair of Meindl's personally. 00:20:35.314 --> 00:20:37.004 A lot of guys are really liking the Crispi's. 00:20:37.205 --> 00:20:37.594 Okay. 00:20:37.594 --> 00:20:40.445 A lot of guys swear by them, Hanwag's, those 00:20:40.445 --> 00:20:41.614 kinds of boots are the ones you're going to 00:20:41.614 --> 00:20:42.935 want to be looking at and trying them on. 00:20:43.294 --> 00:20:45.905 And one of the things that I've always said to 00:20:45.905 --> 00:20:48.245 people was try on as many different as you can. 00:20:48.635 --> 00:20:50.945 Um, look for somewhere where you can, if you're 00:20:50.945 --> 00:20:53.074 ordering online or you're in an area where you 00:20:53.074 --> 00:20:54.364 don't have that ton of selection, you can't 00:20:54.364 --> 00:20:55.594 go to the store and pick up these boots. 00:20:55.594 --> 00:20:56.794 You don't have a MEC or an Atmosphere or 00:20:56.794 --> 00:20:57.485 something like that. 00:20:58.114 --> 00:21:00.455 Find an online site where you can return 00:21:01.084 --> 00:21:03.004 and order multiple different pairs of boots. 00:21:03.334 --> 00:21:05.375 Try them all on, and then returns the ones 00:21:05.375 --> 00:21:06.814 that don't work, like. 00:21:07.024 --> 00:21:09.585 What's your thought on boot break in? 00:21:10.590 --> 00:21:12.090 I think it's pretty boot dependent. 00:21:12.090 --> 00:21:14.670 So my Meindl's for example, I spent a 00:21:14.670 --> 00:21:16.320 lot of time trying to break those boots 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:17.460 in, a lot of time. 00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:20.730 My Scarpa's, I stepped into them and they work. 00:21:20.790 --> 00:21:21.180 Right. 00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:22.530 I think it's very dependent on your 00:21:22.530 --> 00:21:24.570 foot and it's very dependent on the boot. 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:27.450 Uh, the Crispi's have this guarantee I 00:21:27.450 --> 00:21:29.790 believe, that there's no break in period. 00:21:30.060 --> 00:21:33.480 And everyone I've talked to has, uh, never had to 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:34.659 have a break and paired with their Crispi's. 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:36.090 They've stepped into them and they were 00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:37.290 hiking and they've never had an issue. 00:21:37.290 --> 00:21:39.210 So, you know, maybe there's something there, 00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:41.790 but for me, Scarpa's, I'd never had a break 00:21:41.790 --> 00:21:42.570 in period with mine. 00:21:42.600 --> 00:21:43.800 They've been great and I've been using them for 00:21:43.800 --> 00:21:44.550 almost three years now. 00:21:44.750 --> 00:21:46.310 You know, talking to other people. 00:21:46.310 --> 00:21:48.200 And there's the growing consensus of, 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.270 if you have to break your boots in, get 00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:51.120 another pair of boots. 00:21:51.230 --> 00:21:51.730 Yeah. 00:21:51.800 --> 00:21:54.860 Either fit the insoul fit, fit it so that 00:21:54.860 --> 00:21:57.380 you, your heel is in the middle cup, in 00:21:57.380 --> 00:21:59.090 the pocket of the back properly, and things 00:21:59.090 --> 00:22:00.170 are laced up properly. 00:22:00.530 --> 00:22:03.075 And if you can't, through all of that, finding 00:22:03.075 --> 00:22:03.825 another pair of boots. 00:22:03.915 --> 00:22:04.245 Yeah. 00:22:04.245 --> 00:22:04.815 That's interesting. 00:22:04.815 --> 00:22:05.565 I've never heard that, but. 00:22:05.715 --> 00:22:06.065 Yeah. 00:22:06.065 --> 00:22:06.675 Good point. 00:22:07.055 --> 00:22:10.025 You know, and it's, I started adopting that 00:22:10.025 --> 00:22:11.435 school of thought in my boot selection. 00:22:11.435 --> 00:22:13.115 And like you, I had a pair of Meindl's and 00:22:13.115 --> 00:22:15.275 there was a long break in period to get those 00:22:15.275 --> 00:22:16.115 things where I wanted. 00:22:16.295 --> 00:22:17.075 And they were heavy. 00:22:17.285 --> 00:22:18.275 I don't know if it was just the ones that 00:22:18.275 --> 00:22:20.765 I had, but they were Alpine boot, rather 00:22:20.765 --> 00:22:22.625 heavy compared to some of the synthetics. 00:22:22.625 --> 00:22:26.435 And, uh, but you know, I guess what, and one thing 00:22:26.435 --> 00:22:28.535 I find with the boots, some people say, oh, you 00:22:28.535 --> 00:22:30.745 got to get Meindl, or you got to get Scarpa. 00:22:31.139 --> 00:22:32.940 Yeah, maybe for you, maybe it works great 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:33.810 with your feet, but. 00:22:33.899 --> 00:22:34.740 Super personal. 00:22:34.770 --> 00:22:35.190 Totally. 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:35.690 Yeah. 00:22:35.690 --> 00:22:36.409 Super personal. 00:22:36.620 --> 00:22:38.810 Um, and then even with boots is, know 00:22:38.810 --> 00:22:39.530 your application. 00:22:39.530 --> 00:22:41.660 I think for me with like the winter 00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:44.360 goat hunts, like we talked about, that is 00:22:44.360 --> 00:22:46.580 something that I have to take into account. 00:22:46.580 --> 00:22:47.780 So I wanted something that was going to 00:22:47.780 --> 00:22:49.100 be fully compatible for a crampon. 00:22:49.550 --> 00:22:49.790 Right. 00:22:49.790 --> 00:22:51.409 So know your application, know where you're 00:22:51.409 --> 00:22:52.070 going to be using them. 00:22:52.070 --> 00:22:53.389 And if you need those types of things, making 00:22:53.389 --> 00:22:54.440 sure you're looking for the right pair 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:54.950 of boots for that. 00:22:55.250 --> 00:22:57.020 I was with a friend this past weekend, who's 00:22:57.020 --> 00:22:58.909 doing his first ever winter goat hunt ordered 00:22:58.909 --> 00:22:59.780 a new pair of boots. 00:23:00.050 --> 00:23:01.490 And I went and looked at them and you can 00:23:01.490 --> 00:23:04.159 make crampons work for them, but they're not 00:23:04.159 --> 00:23:05.929 the most ideal, like a full step in boot 00:23:06.290 --> 00:23:07.580 for crampons is what you're going to want. 00:23:07.580 --> 00:23:09.350 Like, so just know your application and where 00:23:09.350 --> 00:23:10.940 are you going to be using them and kind of 00:23:10.940 --> 00:23:12.800 go from there and select from there, that's going 00:23:12.800 --> 00:23:13.580 to narrow you down. 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:16.429 Moving forward from that is going to be, 00:23:16.429 --> 00:23:17.370 we'll go into packs. 00:23:17.850 --> 00:23:19.845 Packs again, I find are super personal. 00:23:19.995 --> 00:23:21.345 I've ran a few different packs. 00:23:21.645 --> 00:23:24.105 Um, and again, try them all on, try on 00:23:24.105 --> 00:23:25.725 as many different packs as you can. 00:23:25.754 --> 00:23:29.215 The market, you know, there's Kuiu, Kifaru, 00:23:29.235 --> 00:23:32.595 Mystery Ranch, uh, Stone Glacier, um, 00:23:33.115 --> 00:23:35.715 Eberlestock, uh, I mean, how many different 00:23:35.715 --> 00:23:36.375 pack brands on there? 00:23:36.395 --> 00:23:39.465 There's tons, try on as many different packs 00:23:39.465 --> 00:23:41.385 as you possibly can because it's going to 00:23:41.385 --> 00:23:42.375 be as personal as boots. 00:23:42.375 --> 00:23:43.635 Make sure you get fitted for them right. 00:23:43.665 --> 00:23:45.465 Either, whether you're searching the online 00:23:45.465 --> 00:23:47.745 YouTube videos, because every brand has a fitting 00:23:47.955 --> 00:23:51.044 video that you can watch, or you are with someone 00:23:51.254 --> 00:23:52.245 who's fitting it for you. 00:23:52.544 --> 00:23:53.925 Just make sure you're putting that on right, 00:23:53.925 --> 00:23:56.235 before you're 50 pounds on it, and see 00:23:56.235 --> 00:23:59.385 how it fits your back because not every pack 00:23:59.385 --> 00:24:00.715 is going to work for every single person. 00:24:00.715 --> 00:24:02.235 And if anyone ever tells you that, they're 00:24:02.235 --> 00:24:05.415 probably lying to you because everyone's back 00:24:05.415 --> 00:24:06.254 is totally different. 00:24:06.524 --> 00:24:08.115 Everyone's ability to carry weight a certain 00:24:08.115 --> 00:24:08.895 way is totally different. 00:24:08.895 --> 00:24:11.745 I've I've seen, I've found, make sure 00:24:11.745 --> 00:24:13.095 you find the one that's right for you. 00:24:13.425 --> 00:24:13.925 Um. 00:24:14.085 --> 00:24:15.465 What are you running right now for a pack? 00:24:15.794 --> 00:24:17.585 Right now I'm running, I just stopped, I was 00:24:17.585 --> 00:24:19.774 running a Kuiu before, um, and I wanted to 00:24:19.774 --> 00:24:20.345 try something new. 00:24:20.345 --> 00:24:21.635 So I'm currently running a Kifaru. 00:24:21.895 --> 00:24:22.185 Okay. 00:24:22.185 --> 00:24:23.675 So I just made that switch. 00:24:23.885 --> 00:24:25.534 Um, the, both are good packs. 00:24:25.975 --> 00:24:27.274 Kuiu's a lighter pack. 00:24:27.274 --> 00:24:28.534 Kifaru's a bit of a heavier pack. 00:24:28.835 --> 00:24:30.575 Built a little bit, it's a little bit of 00:24:30.575 --> 00:24:32.195 a, it's built a little bit to be a tougher 00:24:32.195 --> 00:24:33.514 pack, a bit heavier. 00:24:33.814 --> 00:24:36.004 Um, but putting weight in it's been great. 00:24:36.095 --> 00:24:38.794 Um, I personally like to run a bigger pack. 00:24:39.034 --> 00:24:40.625 So guys are like, oh, do you run two packs? 00:24:40.625 --> 00:24:43.264 Cause you have a day pack and you're like 00:24:43.264 --> 00:24:43.985 expedition pack. 00:24:43.985 --> 00:24:47.310 And I'm like, nope, I've always chosen packs that 00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:49.140 I'm able to cinch down pretty tight so that 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:50.730 if I want to use them for a day trip, I can. 00:24:50.910 --> 00:24:52.350 And then if I want to blow them up and use them 00:24:52.350 --> 00:24:54.930 for a full 10 day trip, I can do that as well. 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:57.320 So I'm not limited in that sense uh. 00:24:57.580 --> 00:24:59.190 So what size are you running right now? 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.710 So the Kifaru right now, I have it set up to run 00:25:01.710 --> 00:25:03.260 up to 9,000 cubic inches. 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:04.550 That's a good size pack. 00:25:04.580 --> 00:25:04.850 Yeah. 00:25:04.850 --> 00:25:07.170 So the one thing to remember with your pack 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.300 is just because you have that space, don't 00:25:09.300 --> 00:25:10.200 always try and fill it. 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.770 Right. 00:25:10.770 --> 00:25:11.260 Yeah. 00:25:11.260 --> 00:25:13.650 So personally I have enough experience and 00:25:13.650 --> 00:25:15.120 I've done enough that I know what I need and what 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:17.460 I don't need, so I can cut out certain things. 00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:19.140 And I feel comfortable with having that extra 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:21.360 space where I've talked to a lot of guys that 00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:23.340 build a pack like that that's that big, or 00:25:23.580 --> 00:25:26.070 even a 7,500 or an 8,000 cubic inch pack. 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:28.410 And they're trying to do what they can to fill it. 00:25:28.410 --> 00:25:30.150 And I'm like, okay, now put it on your back 00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:30.990 and see how that feels. 00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:31.870 Right. Right. 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.290 Don't forget, you're going to be packing 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:34.790 some meat out, hopefully at some point too. 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:35.380 Exactly. 00:25:36.410 --> 00:25:38.750 When you get up to 120, 130 pound pack, I've 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:39.890 done it a few times now. 00:25:39.980 --> 00:25:42.370 It's like, it doesn't matter what kind of pack. 00:25:43.195 --> 00:25:43.955 It's going to suck. 00:25:44.315 --> 00:25:45.395 It's just going to suck. 00:25:45.395 --> 00:25:48.034 So, you know, don't add extra stuff you don't 00:25:48.034 --> 00:25:49.595 need just because you have that extra space. 00:25:49.595 --> 00:25:51.155 It's, in the long run, it's not 00:25:51.155 --> 00:25:51.665 going to help you. 00:25:52.445 --> 00:25:54.605 So that's packs, again, super personal. 00:25:54.995 --> 00:25:58.565 Um, moving into clothing again, there's a lot 00:25:58.565 --> 00:26:00.185 of different options, whether you want to 00:26:00.185 --> 00:26:03.695 stay in gear from in the hunting space or there's 00:26:03.695 --> 00:26:05.195 lots of brands outside of the hunting space that 00:26:05.195 --> 00:26:05.975 are going to cut it too. 00:26:06.335 --> 00:26:07.325 It's going to depend on budget. 00:26:07.745 --> 00:26:09.725 The one thing that I recommend everybody 00:26:09.725 --> 00:26:10.804 has is your rain gear. 00:26:11.615 --> 00:26:13.085 If you're hunting in British Columbia, 00:26:13.355 --> 00:26:15.815 whatever type of mountain hunt you do have rain 00:26:15.815 --> 00:26:17.014 gear in your back pack. 00:26:17.135 --> 00:26:19.844 Like I don't care if it's August 1st, I don't care 00:26:19.860 --> 00:26:22.500 if it's September 1st, I just, you need to have 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:23.310 rain gear in my opinion. 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.530 Um, because that can end a trip pretty quick when 00:26:25.530 --> 00:26:26.250 you get a freak storm. 00:26:26.540 --> 00:26:28.250 Are you going to waterproof, breathable 00:26:28.250 --> 00:26:30.440 or full, full waterproof? 00:26:30.520 --> 00:26:31.490 Even Gore-Tex or? 00:26:31.790 --> 00:26:34.880 Yeah, so I, I personally run Kuiu, that there, 00:26:35.485 --> 00:26:37.465 they work with a little bit different, um, 00:26:37.495 --> 00:26:40.225 materials, but it's a level of breathability. 00:26:40.225 --> 00:26:42.475 But I think one thing with rain gear that 00:26:42.475 --> 00:26:44.185 you need to remember is if rain gear is 00:26:44.185 --> 00:26:46.975 breathable, there's an element of water that 00:26:46.975 --> 00:26:49.165 can also get in, has always been my opinion. 00:26:49.705 --> 00:26:53.005 Um, and I could, I'm not a super material or gear 00:26:53.005 --> 00:26:56.635 freak, but, um, yeah, I mean the best rain gear 00:26:56.635 --> 00:26:58.405 is stuff that generally isn't that breathable. 00:26:58.405 --> 00:26:59.755 You start talking about Helly Hansen rubber 00:26:59.755 --> 00:27:01.795 stuff, it's the best rain gear and it's 00:27:01.795 --> 00:27:02.575 not breathable at all. 00:27:02.785 --> 00:27:05.215 So you want that kind of in-between generally when 00:27:05.215 --> 00:27:06.445 it starts raining as a hunter, you're trying to 00:27:06.445 --> 00:27:07.225 get out of it anyways. 00:27:07.225 --> 00:27:08.425 It's not like you're thriving in it, 00:27:08.425 --> 00:27:09.925 some guys do, and to each their own. 00:27:10.255 --> 00:27:12.265 Um, but I think it's a matter of finding 00:27:12.265 --> 00:27:14.365 something that is a bit breathable is 00:27:14.425 --> 00:27:15.445 relatively lightweight. 00:27:15.475 --> 00:27:16.405 Cause you're going to be backpacking. 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:18.980 Uh, and you know, you stay dry in 00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:19.550 for the most part. 00:27:19.970 --> 00:27:22.550 Um, I think if you're, you know, I've got 00:27:22.550 --> 00:27:23.840 friends that are horseback guides and 00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:25.370 all that type of stuff, when you're beaten your 00:27:25.370 --> 00:27:27.480 rain gear every single day, riding horses, 00:27:27.560 --> 00:27:29.389 breaking through bush, eventually certain things 00:27:29.389 --> 00:27:30.320 are gonna soak through. 00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:32.389 Um, but it's finding stuff that's going to 00:27:32.389 --> 00:27:33.110 hold up the longest. 00:27:33.110 --> 00:27:36.500 I think so, um, yeah with that being said, I've 00:27:36.500 --> 00:27:39.110 had, like I said, I run the Kuiu gear and I've 00:27:39.110 --> 00:27:40.070 had no problem with it. 00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:43.040 Moving in from that, uh, is your insulation. 00:27:43.129 --> 00:27:44.990 I am a big fan of down insulation. 00:27:45.379 --> 00:27:47.240 Uh, one of my friends said it to me last year 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.220 and it was really good way to think about it 00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:50.600 when it came to rain gear and you're in 00:27:50.600 --> 00:27:53.300 your down gear is in an emergency situation, 00:27:53.300 --> 00:27:54.500 it's your sleeping bag and your tent. 00:27:55.159 --> 00:27:56.750 You know, you get caught up on the side 00:27:56.750 --> 00:27:58.520 of the mountain and you have your down puffy, 00:27:58.669 --> 00:28:00.500 your down pants, your rain pants and your 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:02.360 rain jacket, you know, it's not going to be 00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:03.830 comfortable, but you're going to survive because 00:28:03.830 --> 00:28:04.760 you have that all on you. 00:28:05.270 --> 00:28:06.439 If you can't get to your tent at night. 00:28:07.970 --> 00:28:09.560 So it's definitely something to think about 00:28:09.560 --> 00:28:11.750 and something that I'd tell everybody have some 00:28:11.750 --> 00:28:13.605 down in your pack when you're doing any of these 00:28:13.605 --> 00:28:15.705 backpack hunts, because storms coming quick, 00:28:16.125 --> 00:28:17.665 or even just sitting down and glassing. 00:28:17.685 --> 00:28:19.605 Like a lot of guys don't sit down in glass 00:28:19.605 --> 00:28:20.835 because they don't have the ability to get 00:28:20.835 --> 00:28:22.995 comfortable and do it, whether it's, you know, 00:28:22.995 --> 00:28:25.095 putting on their down to stay out of a wind 00:28:25.095 --> 00:28:27.045 or to block that from the wind or just to stay 00:28:27.045 --> 00:28:29.325 warm, they just, they don't think about that. 00:28:29.325 --> 00:28:30.675 And then all of a sudden they're trying to cover 00:28:30.675 --> 00:28:31.905 ground and they're trying to warm themselves 00:28:31.905 --> 00:28:32.655 up by hiking more. 00:28:32.655 --> 00:28:34.815 And we're walking right past country that there's 00:28:34.815 --> 00:28:36.795 animals in because they didn't have the proper 00:28:36.795 --> 00:28:38.805 gear to allow them to do what they needed to do. 00:28:39.075 --> 00:28:39.575 Good point. 00:28:39.585 --> 00:28:39.915 Yeah. 00:28:39.915 --> 00:28:42.885 So down rain gear and then your base layers, 00:28:42.885 --> 00:28:44.175 and everyone's going to be totally different. 00:28:44.445 --> 00:28:46.515 For me, um, I'm all merino. 00:28:46.515 --> 00:28:48.495 If I'm doing any sort of extended trip, we're 00:28:48.495 --> 00:28:51.165 in the mountains, we all smell like, there's just. 00:28:51.195 --> 00:28:51.555 Sure. 00:28:51.555 --> 00:28:52.635 There's no way around it right? 00:28:52.845 --> 00:28:55.355 So like all my base is socks, always merino. 00:28:55.485 --> 00:28:57.375 That's my go-to some guys like synthetics 00:28:57.375 --> 00:28:59.175 and to each their own, but that's just how 00:28:59.175 --> 00:29:01.615 I've always been, uh, is going full merino. 00:29:01.785 --> 00:29:03.965 You've a favourite brand for socks? 00:29:04.275 --> 00:29:05.025 Uh Smartwool. 00:29:05.345 --> 00:29:06.125 You like Smartwool eh? 00:29:06.305 --> 00:29:06.515 Yeah. 00:29:06.515 --> 00:29:09.090 Yeah, I run Smartwool uh, depending on the time of 00:29:09.090 --> 00:29:11.700 year I'll run Smartwool, like they have the heavy 00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:12.510 over the calf ones. 00:29:12.540 --> 00:29:13.830 Those are my go-to for like late 00:29:13.830 --> 00:29:14.610 season winter stuff. 00:29:14.630 --> 00:29:15.620 I've always got those on. 00:29:15.620 --> 00:29:16.490 I might have to check them out. 00:29:16.490 --> 00:29:17.840 I've always been Darn Tough and I 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:19.160 just love Darn Tough. 00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:19.580 Yeah. 00:29:19.580 --> 00:29:21.140 I've, I've heard a lot of good things. 00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:22.580 I've just, I've never had an issue with 00:29:22.580 --> 00:29:23.510 my Smartwool socks. 00:29:23.570 --> 00:29:24.470 So why change? 00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:25.000 Why change. 00:29:25.010 --> 00:29:25.490 Yeah. Yeah. 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:26.390 That's just my, my opinion. 00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:30.770 I have a Smartwool 200 Merino top that I wear, 00:29:30.770 --> 00:29:32.600 like when I'm exercising here or going for runs 00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:34.370 in the winter, I just, I love that thing. 00:29:34.370 --> 00:29:36.080 It's super comfortable, super warm. 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:37.460 It's uh, it's been, yeah. 00:29:38.895 --> 00:29:41.895 Uh, moving on from that, like, that's going to be 00:29:41.895 --> 00:29:44.255 your clothing part um. 00:29:44.315 --> 00:29:45.725 How many, how many pairs of socks would 00:29:45.725 --> 00:29:48.065 you be taken for, let's say a seven day hunt? 00:29:48.425 --> 00:29:48.925 Two. 00:29:49.405 --> 00:29:49.745 Two? 00:29:49.745 --> 00:29:50.675 Yeah, that's it. 00:29:50.915 --> 00:29:51.395 Okay. 00:29:51.395 --> 00:29:54.455 Yeah, that's all I take and I I'll take two, and 00:29:54.485 --> 00:29:56.375 I mean, like I said, one of the things that you 00:29:56.375 --> 00:29:57.875 need to be comfortable with is the fact that 00:29:57.875 --> 00:29:58.695 you're going to smell. 00:29:58.995 --> 00:30:00.805 Like to a degree, your stuff is going 00:30:00.805 --> 00:30:01.495 to get sweated up. 00:30:01.855 --> 00:30:03.024 Don't add a bunch of extra weight. 00:30:03.055 --> 00:30:05.034 Don't take seven pairs of socks for seven days. 00:30:05.034 --> 00:30:06.625 Cause it's, you're just adding 00:30:06.625 --> 00:30:07.555 unnecessary weight. 00:30:07.585 --> 00:30:10.044 Take those merino, wash them out in a creek, do 00:30:10.044 --> 00:30:11.754 what you can to keep them as clean as possible. 00:30:12.055 --> 00:30:14.305 Um, this past year on my goat hunt, I took 00:30:14.305 --> 00:30:16.105 two pairs of socks for nine days and 00:30:16.105 --> 00:30:17.754 they were constantly like, just cause 00:30:17.754 --> 00:30:18.715 everything was so wet. 00:30:18.715 --> 00:30:21.325 And even like, you take your boots off at night 00:30:21.415 --> 00:30:23.095 and just condensation, everything's building 00:30:23.095 --> 00:30:23.575 up in your boots. 00:30:23.575 --> 00:30:25.195 So you put your socks on and it gets, or your, 00:30:25.495 --> 00:30:27.115 you put your boots and your socks get wet. 00:30:27.115 --> 00:30:30.655 So what I was doing is I would, um, I 00:30:30.675 --> 00:30:32.274 take my socks, I'd switch them every day. 00:30:32.575 --> 00:30:34.825 I had Platypus soft bottles that I would 00:30:34.825 --> 00:30:37.284 boil water and I put the portable soft bottles 00:30:37.315 --> 00:30:40.105 inside my socks, which then I'd put inside. 00:30:40.105 --> 00:30:41.995 I always, for the winter hunts take a pair of 00:30:41.995 --> 00:30:44.065 synthetic booties, like just to have 00:30:44.065 --> 00:30:44.845 all my feet at night. 00:30:44.905 --> 00:30:45.405 Yep. 00:30:45.445 --> 00:30:47.125 I'd put the socks in the boiled 00:30:47.125 --> 00:30:48.055 water inside those. 00:30:48.055 --> 00:30:49.315 And then I'd put those at the bottom of my 00:30:49.315 --> 00:30:51.365 synthetic sleeping bag and it would 00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:53.040 dry everything right out, because the 00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:54.420 part of my sleeping bag was always wet. 00:30:54.690 --> 00:30:57.330 So that heat from inside mixed with the 00:30:57.330 --> 00:30:59.490 synthetic properties would consistently 00:30:59.490 --> 00:31:00.180 dry out my socks. 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:01.650 So I'd always have a pair of dry socks, first 00:31:01.650 --> 00:31:02.190 thing in the morning. 00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:04.290 Cause I mean, that's just a mental thing right. 00:31:04.290 --> 00:31:05.640 Having wet socks is always tough. 00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:06.180 Totally. 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:06.680 Yeah. 00:31:06.690 --> 00:31:08.670 So just making sure that, but yeah, two socks is 00:31:08.670 --> 00:31:10.530 always my go-to and like I said, wash them out in 00:31:10.530 --> 00:31:12.120 a creek or do something like that if you need to, 00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:13.530 just to keep them clean. 00:31:13.530 --> 00:31:15.960 One set of rain gear, pants, one pair? 00:31:16.020 --> 00:31:16.290 Yeah. 00:31:16.290 --> 00:31:17.970 Always one pair of pants, soft shell pant. 00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:22.020 Um, just whatever I like having something 00:31:22.020 --> 00:31:24.040 that's a four way stretch and has hip vents. 00:31:24.070 --> 00:31:25.620 Those are two of the key features for me. 00:31:26.070 --> 00:31:27.250 Uh, and then a gaiter too. 00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:29.730 Make sure you, I think taken a gaiter is 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.700 super, super underrated, but I think everyone 00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:34.430 who's mountain hunting should have a gaiter. 00:31:34.710 --> 00:31:35.450 Totally. With them. 00:31:35.580 --> 00:31:37.290 Uh, my first hunt, I didn't take one and I 00:31:37.290 --> 00:31:39.300 regret it a big time or take a pair and 00:31:39.300 --> 00:31:40.110 regretted it big time. 00:31:40.560 --> 00:31:43.800 Um, but yeah, over the calf gaiter synthetic, or 00:31:43.830 --> 00:31:45.990 sorry, pair of soft shell pants with a hip vent, 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.490 uh, and four-way stretch. 00:31:47.550 --> 00:31:48.570 That's pretty key to me. 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.560 And then um, if you want, everyone's totally 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:54.270 different in terms of how your body runs. 00:31:54.330 --> 00:31:56.460 I, my legs tend to run pretty warm, so I don't 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:58.080 always take a pair of long Johns, but if you 00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:01.889 are looking for something that has a side zip, 00:32:02.159 --> 00:32:04.560 that you can just unzip it on the side and pop 00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:06.149 it right off that way, you don't need to take 00:32:06.149 --> 00:32:08.090 your boots off to get your, uh, long johns off. 00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:09.110 Right. Which is kinda nice. 00:32:09.780 --> 00:32:11.580 Um, moving on. 00:32:11.580 --> 00:32:13.680 So we hit that base layers yeah, 00:32:13.830 --> 00:32:17.139 merino socks, merino we got that. 00:32:17.210 --> 00:32:19.410 One shirt, base layer of merino wool? 00:32:19.620 --> 00:32:20.159 Always, yeah. 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:20.850 Just one shirt. 00:32:20.879 --> 00:32:21.450 Yep. Yeah. 00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:23.850 I've, there's been times where I've smelt myself 00:32:23.850 --> 00:32:24.990 and thought maybe I should bring a different 00:32:24.990 --> 00:32:27.899 shirt, but I just, I'm usually with the guys 00:32:27.899 --> 00:32:30.899 and we all smell so, it is what it is right. 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:33.240 Um, if you're a good enough hunter, you 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.710 know how to play your wind and how to do 00:32:34.710 --> 00:32:37.679 that all for the most part too so, um, yeah. 00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:39.659 Controlling your odour's important, but you're 00:32:39.659 --> 00:32:41.190 never going to get away from it when you're doing 00:32:41.190 --> 00:32:42.930 these long backpacking trips in my opinion. 00:32:43.919 --> 00:32:46.470 Um, your sleep system is pretty important. 00:32:46.919 --> 00:32:48.429 Uh, making sure you have a good pad. 00:32:48.840 --> 00:32:50.550 Like, whether, there's a lot of different 00:32:50.550 --> 00:32:52.260 options these days, something I like to 00:32:52.260 --> 00:32:54.659 use the Therm-A-Rest I used a NeoAir this 00:32:54.659 --> 00:32:57.149 year and that was, uh, that was really nice. 00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.490 Um, but there's tons of different options 00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:01.290 out there having a good pad know when, 00:33:01.290 --> 00:33:02.879 where you're going and making sure that it 00:33:02.879 --> 00:33:06.000 has the right Insulet installation value for 00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:07.860 that country, whether it's you don't need 00:33:07.860 --> 00:33:09.810 anything or, you know, I think some of them 00:33:09.810 --> 00:33:12.860 are right up to around seven now at our scale. 00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:14.669 So making sure you go there. 00:33:14.669 --> 00:33:16.800 And then sleeping bag, there's a lot of debate 00:33:16.800 --> 00:33:17.639 on sleeping bags. 00:33:17.970 --> 00:33:19.649 I personally am a synthetic fan just 00:33:19.649 --> 00:33:21.030 because it has the ability to dry 00:33:21.030 --> 00:33:21.720 me out at night. 00:33:22.020 --> 00:33:23.189 It does weigh a little bit more. 00:33:23.399 --> 00:33:24.689 It doesn't cost me a thousand dollars 00:33:24.689 --> 00:33:25.470 for a sleeping bag. 00:33:25.950 --> 00:33:26.399 Yeah. 00:33:26.399 --> 00:33:28.860 Um, and then down is like, if it gets 00:33:28.860 --> 00:33:30.330 wet or anything like that, I know there's 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.310 the new treat a down that's supposed 00:33:32.310 --> 00:33:32.970 to be pretty good. 00:33:33.419 --> 00:33:35.070 I just, personally, I don't take the risk. 00:33:35.070 --> 00:33:36.179 I like having a synthetic bag. 00:33:36.679 --> 00:33:37.939 What do you mean dry you out at night? 00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:40.070 So when you use a synthetic, it has. 00:33:40.570 --> 00:33:43.665 So synthetic materials have the ability to, 00:33:43.965 --> 00:33:46.275 um, use like the heat from your body and 00:33:46.305 --> 00:33:48.045 pull that moisture out. 00:33:48.675 --> 00:33:51.285 Like, so out of your gear, um, there's a 00:33:51.285 --> 00:33:53.145 lot of good videos if you search on YouTube, 00:33:53.145 --> 00:33:55.935 that kind of show it and how it works. 00:33:56.115 --> 00:33:58.665 Um, but something like a merino doesn't have 00:33:58.665 --> 00:34:02.235 that ability to, uh, push that moisture off 00:34:02.385 --> 00:34:04.155 and to dry out as well as synthetic does. 00:34:04.155 --> 00:34:06.135 So when you're using that synthetic sleeping bag, 00:34:06.725 --> 00:34:10.185 the properties within the material, um, pull 00:34:10.185 --> 00:34:12.735 that moisture from you and then kind of push 00:34:12.735 --> 00:34:13.485 them out from there. 00:34:13.825 --> 00:34:15.125 If that kinda makes sense. 00:34:15.345 --> 00:34:16.715 I get what you're saying. 00:34:16.745 --> 00:34:18.695 What, uh, what make are you, you 00:34:18.695 --> 00:34:19.235 running right now? 00:34:19.264 --> 00:34:19.985 For a sleeping bag? 00:34:20.014 --> 00:34:20.284 Yeah. 00:34:20.284 --> 00:34:22.025 I run a Marmot Elite Trestles. 00:34:22.205 --> 00:34:22.534 Okay. 00:34:22.534 --> 00:34:24.635 I've had, I think I got three of them right now, 00:34:24.665 --> 00:34:27.420 different, uh, different temperature ratings. 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.159 Uh, and I've been running them for three 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:30.210 years and I love them. 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.990 They're like a $200, $250 bag and I just 00:34:33.990 --> 00:34:34.949 beat them, abuse them. 00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:36.570 And then if I got to replace them, it's not 00:34:36.570 --> 00:34:37.770 like it's a thousand dollars like a down. 00:34:37.770 --> 00:34:38.340 You're not crying. 00:34:38.550 --> 00:34:39.210 Yeah so. 00:34:39.330 --> 00:34:41.100 It's a little heavier, it takes up a bit more room. 00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:42.750 It takes up a little bit more room for sure. 00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:44.429 But that's part of having a little 00:34:44.429 --> 00:34:45.990 bit of that bigger pack too, and being 00:34:45.990 --> 00:34:47.850 comfortable with that little bit of whether 00:34:47.850 --> 00:34:49.740 it's a pound extra or half a pound extra. 00:34:49.830 --> 00:34:50.010 Right. 00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:51.510 Just having that little bit of extra weight, 00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.340 I'm comfortable with it, I'm okay with it. 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.570 I know what I'm getting myself into. 00:34:55.020 --> 00:34:56.490 Um, so I'm good with that. 00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:01.620 Um, then your tent, your tent is a big 00:35:01.620 --> 00:35:04.860 one, making sure that, uh, you're picking the 00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:06.390 right tent for the trip. 00:35:06.510 --> 00:35:10.320 Um, a lot of guys tend to buy tents that 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.940 are cheaper and maybe don't cut it when these 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:13.290 wind storms hit or anything, or if they 00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:15.780 get some snow or it's just not built for it. 00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:17.760 So making sure to pick your tent right. 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.294 If you're doing some of the late season stuff 00:35:20.294 --> 00:35:22.095 and you're going in the winter, you're definitely 00:35:22.214 --> 00:35:23.774 to want to have some sort of four season tent. 00:35:23.984 --> 00:35:25.634 A lot of guys are switching over to running 00:35:25.634 --> 00:35:28.725 teepees now, which if those work then great. 00:35:28.725 --> 00:35:31.095 I haven't personally used them, but, uh, making 00:35:31.095 --> 00:35:33.915 sure you're picking the right tent for the trip. 00:35:33.944 --> 00:35:36.044 I think there's a lot of different brands, even 00:35:36.044 --> 00:35:36.855 within the hunting space. 00:35:36.855 --> 00:35:38.444 Hilleberg, Kuiu makes a tent. 00:35:38.774 --> 00:35:40.634 A lot of guys tend to run like the MSRs too. 00:35:40.964 --> 00:35:43.245 They all make pretty good products and it's 00:35:43.245 --> 00:35:45.975 not a place that I'd want to skimp on price 00:35:46.004 --> 00:35:49.095 just because, um, yeah, you're, you're 00:35:49.095 --> 00:35:50.895 living in that thing for seven to 10 days or 00:35:50.895 --> 00:35:51.615 whatever it is right. 00:35:51.674 --> 00:35:51.915 Right. 00:35:51.915 --> 00:35:53.504 And so, and a good tent is going to last you a 00:35:53.504 --> 00:35:55.475 long time, as long as you take care of it. 00:35:55.915 --> 00:36:00.004 So, uh, that's the sleep system and, and then 00:36:00.004 --> 00:36:02.075 moving on from there, electronics is something 00:36:02.075 --> 00:36:03.004 I always have on my list. 00:36:03.004 --> 00:36:05.340 You know, your Garmin, portable battery 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:07.529 pack, some charging cords, your headlamp. 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.169 Some guys like to run two headlamps, uh, to 00:36:10.169 --> 00:36:13.050 each their own, making sure that personally, 00:36:13.050 --> 00:36:14.730 one thing I've found, and I learned this 00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:16.620 from someone who had a lot more experience. 00:36:16.620 --> 00:36:19.170 Was I always take a small flashlight and 00:36:19.170 --> 00:36:20.840 the headlamp hat run on the same batteries 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.440 so that they're super interchangeable and 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:23.940 they're both also can be recharged. 00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.950 So you have the option of those extra batteries 00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:26.850 or to recharge them. 00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:28.180 So that you're always covered. 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:29.850 The last thing you want to be is on the side of 00:36:29.850 --> 00:36:32.220 a mountain and all of a sudden your headlamp runs 00:36:32.220 --> 00:36:33.810 out of battery and you can't just switch another 00:36:33.810 --> 00:36:35.340 battery into it cause it's only rechargeable 00:36:35.660 --> 00:36:37.370 and you're charging packs back down at the tent. 00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:37.970 Right. 00:36:37.970 --> 00:36:39.540 So making sure you have that option. 00:36:40.420 --> 00:36:41.400 Uh, you're kill kit. 00:36:42.290 --> 00:36:44.189 Having the right game bags, everyone likes to 00:36:44.189 --> 00:36:44.850 run different game bags. 00:36:44.850 --> 00:36:45.660 There's a lot on the market. 00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:46.919 I personally like to go with synthetic 00:36:46.919 --> 00:36:47.549 game bags now. 00:36:47.939 --> 00:36:49.410 Uh, I clean them out after every time I 00:36:49.410 --> 00:36:50.790 use them and they're fully reasonable. 00:36:50.790 --> 00:36:52.319 You spend a hundred bucks to get them at first, 00:36:52.319 --> 00:36:55.560 but it's better than guys who want to pack 00:36:55.560 --> 00:36:56.490 cheesecloth or something. 00:36:56.490 --> 00:36:57.839 Cause I've seen all sorts of different things. 00:36:57.839 --> 00:36:59.250 Just my personal opinion. 00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:01.379 Synthetic game bags are the way to go and 00:37:01.379 --> 00:37:02.970 there's lots of them on the market now and 00:37:03.359 --> 00:37:03.959 they're all great. 00:37:04.200 --> 00:37:05.549 They all do the trick and they're going to 00:37:05.549 --> 00:37:06.839 keep bugs off of it. 00:37:06.839 --> 00:37:08.669 And they're going to keep the meat clean and you 00:37:08.669 --> 00:37:09.810 hang them up right and they're going to help 00:37:09.810 --> 00:37:10.740 dry out that meat too. 00:37:11.549 --> 00:37:14.459 Um, then I mean a good knife. 00:37:14.490 --> 00:37:15.480 A couple of knives, I like to run a 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:15.859 couple knives. 00:37:15.859 --> 00:37:18.060 I like to have a fixed blade, a light fixed 00:37:18.060 --> 00:37:20.240 blade and then I think everyone has a Havalon 00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:20.970 for the most part. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:21.500 Right. 00:37:21.810 --> 00:37:24.000 That's I think a Havalon is it should be an every 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.669 mountain hunters pack personally, um, super 00:37:26.669 --> 00:37:28.649 light interchangeable blades and they 00:37:28.649 --> 00:37:29.399 can do a whole lot. 00:37:29.399 --> 00:37:30.959 So that's super nice. 00:37:31.979 --> 00:37:33.240 Uh, your cooking gear. 00:37:33.990 --> 00:37:36.979 Uh, so your fuel cans, you gonna want those, 00:37:37.669 --> 00:37:39.180 like the regular fuel cans and then depending 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:40.410 on what kind of stove system you want to 00:37:40.410 --> 00:37:42.209 go with, everyone's totally different. 00:37:42.569 --> 00:37:45.479 Um, I personally liked, I just run a MSR, uh, 00:37:45.930 --> 00:37:47.520 like the pocket rocket, I believe it's called. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.149 Um, and then, uh, ran a Reactor 2. 00:37:51.779 --> 00:37:53.399 Super good systems, they all work. 00:37:53.399 --> 00:37:54.600 Just making sure you have something that's 00:37:54.600 --> 00:37:56.759 gonna be able to boil your water and then 00:37:57.060 --> 00:37:58.890 you're gonna want to look at if you are going in 00:37:58.890 --> 00:37:59.850 the winter or whatever. 00:38:00.299 --> 00:38:02.069 Um, making sure something that 00:38:02.250 --> 00:38:04.950 regulates is probably pretty important too. 00:38:04.950 --> 00:38:07.319 I know I ran a, just a pocket rocket on the 00:38:07.319 --> 00:38:08.850 trip last year and I had a bunch of issues 00:38:08.850 --> 00:38:10.470 with it so, luckily one of my friends 00:38:10.470 --> 00:38:11.220 had a better stove. 00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:13.290 But, uh, yeah, just having a good fuel 00:38:13.290 --> 00:38:15.299 system and good stove is going to be pretty 00:38:15.299 --> 00:38:16.740 important because we all need to eat 00:38:16.740 --> 00:38:17.299 while we're out there. 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:19.460 So the issues were just, at altitude, 00:38:19.460 --> 00:38:20.060 it wasn't uh. 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.049 Temperature. 00:38:21.870 --> 00:38:22.279 Okay. 00:38:22.279 --> 00:38:23.660 Part of the temperature, just, I don't 00:38:23.660 --> 00:38:24.170 know what it was. 00:38:24.170 --> 00:38:25.940 It wasn't made to yeah, definitely was 00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:27.320 not made for being used in the winter. 00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:30.440 Um, but uh, a lot of the guys like to have 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:31.730 something that has some sort of shield 00:38:31.730 --> 00:38:33.830 too, that is going to protect from the wind. 00:38:33.930 --> 00:38:34.230 Right. 00:38:34.230 --> 00:38:36.110 Just cause that'll affect you boil time and all 00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:36.920 that type of stuff too. 00:38:37.190 --> 00:38:41.570 So you thinkin', um, you going, uh, the 00:38:41.630 --> 00:38:42.670 butane canisters? 00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:43.090 Yep, yeah. 00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:44.990 Over top of, uh, gas? 00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:45.910 Yeah. 00:38:45.910 --> 00:38:46.870 Yeah, I always go butane. 00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:47.760 Yeah, exactly. 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:49.009 I've never ran anything else, I've 00:38:49.009 --> 00:38:49.850 never had the need to. 00:38:50.090 --> 00:38:52.520 I know guys have talked about using stoves that 00:38:52.520 --> 00:38:54.020 are interchangeable and stuff as well. 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:55.160 I know there's some of those available 00:38:55.160 --> 00:38:55.670 on the market. 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:57.810 I think it might be called a WhisperLite 00:38:57.830 --> 00:38:58.799 from MSR has one. 00:38:58.830 --> 00:38:59.180 Yeah. 00:38:59.180 --> 00:39:02.115 But yeah, I've always just ran butane and 00:39:02.115 --> 00:39:03.405 I've never had an issue to date and 00:39:03.405 --> 00:39:05.115 hopefully I don't ever have an issue with it. 00:39:05.235 --> 00:39:05.735 Okay. 00:39:06.065 --> 00:39:07.295 How many canisters are you taking up? 00:39:07.775 --> 00:39:08.705 Depends on the trip. 00:39:08.705 --> 00:39:12.215 So I, will generally will run one of the 00:39:12.215 --> 00:39:15.065 bigger, I believe it's 450, I want to say. 00:39:15.515 --> 00:39:15.875 Okay. 00:39:15.875 --> 00:39:18.275 Um, I'll take one, one of those, if I'm just 00:39:18.275 --> 00:39:20.675 going to be me for like seven days and an area 00:39:20.675 --> 00:39:21.875 where I'm not going to be boiling a lot of 00:39:21.875 --> 00:39:24.065 water for the winter hunts, I double that up 00:39:24.065 --> 00:39:26.975 and take a little but of extra, tends to last. 00:39:26.975 --> 00:39:28.145 But, uh, it all depends. 00:39:28.475 --> 00:39:30.785 I ,even if you're just doing a small weekend 00:39:30.785 --> 00:39:32.195 trip, even some of those, I don't remember 00:39:32.195 --> 00:39:34.595 the exact size, but the smaller butane, just like 00:39:34.595 --> 00:39:37.145 the red, smaller butane bottles, that'll get 00:39:37.145 --> 00:39:39.035 you through the week or a weekend if you're not 00:39:39.365 --> 00:39:40.985 sitting there boiling all day long, right. 00:39:41.085 --> 00:39:41.355 Right. 00:39:41.355 --> 00:39:42.545 You know, be conscientious of what 00:39:42.545 --> 00:39:44.135 you have for fuel and be conscientious, a few 00:39:44.135 --> 00:39:45.035 what you have for water. 00:39:45.545 --> 00:39:47.795 Um, some guys tend to get a little crazy, but 00:39:48.185 --> 00:39:50.315 I mean, for me, I know I personally like, we'll 00:39:50.315 --> 00:39:52.295 get into food after, but uh, I like to have 00:39:52.295 --> 00:39:53.695 a miso soup midday. 00:39:53.975 --> 00:39:55.445 So I'll boil up some, a little bit of water 00:39:55.445 --> 00:39:56.585 so I know I'm going to have to take a little 00:39:56.585 --> 00:39:58.295 bit extra fuel for that extra meal that 00:39:58.295 --> 00:39:59.115 I want to boil midday. 00:39:59.345 --> 00:39:59.645 Right. 00:39:59.645 --> 00:40:01.515 But you know, it's all like personal and what 00:40:01.515 --> 00:40:02.895 makes you comfortable with being out there. 00:40:03.975 --> 00:40:07.155 Um, optics is a big one if we want 00:40:07.155 --> 00:40:07.815 to touch on that. 00:40:08.085 --> 00:40:08.445 Sure. 00:40:08.445 --> 00:40:08.945 Yeah. 00:40:09.255 --> 00:40:12.835 Um, so for mountain hunting, 00:40:12.835 --> 00:40:14.205 I prefer a 10x42. 00:40:14.225 --> 00:40:16.875 Some guys run 12 power and some guys run 8. 00:40:16.895 --> 00:40:18.455 I've always found that 10 is kind of that 00:40:18.455 --> 00:40:19.415 perfect in between. 00:40:19.745 --> 00:40:21.665 My hands aren't the steadiest, so running a 00:40:21.665 --> 00:40:23.795 12 power I find a little bit of shake in it. 00:40:24.365 --> 00:40:26.585 Uh, one of the big things a lot of guys 00:40:26.585 --> 00:40:28.145 do and I've started doing it too, is find 00:40:28.145 --> 00:40:31.655 a system where you can run your, uh, binoculars 00:40:31.685 --> 00:40:32.525 on your tripod. 00:40:32.765 --> 00:40:34.595 So whatever sort of attachment is that 00:40:34.595 --> 00:40:37.025 you need, get that attachment and just put 00:40:37.025 --> 00:40:39.185 your binoculars on that tripod for any extended 00:40:39.185 --> 00:40:39.995 period of glassing. 00:40:40.475 --> 00:40:42.485 And you're going to find a ton more game. 00:40:42.515 --> 00:40:44.225 There's no shake, you're super comfortable 00:40:44.225 --> 00:40:45.005 at super steady. 00:40:45.395 --> 00:40:47.075 It's, it's pretty impressive. 00:40:47.075 --> 00:40:48.245 I didn't believe it until I tried it. 00:40:48.305 --> 00:40:49.445 All these guys were saying, oh, you gotta 00:40:49.445 --> 00:40:50.615 do this, you gotta do this, it helps. 00:40:50.915 --> 00:40:51.695 But how much can it help? 00:40:51.695 --> 00:40:53.195 I just put my elbows on my knees and 00:40:53.195 --> 00:40:53.825 glass and right. 00:40:54.615 --> 00:40:56.985 But I tried it and yeah, it's pretty unbelievable. 00:40:57.525 --> 00:40:59.205 You bothering with the spotting scope as well? 00:40:59.295 --> 00:40:59.795 Oh yeah. 00:40:59.915 --> 00:41:01.475 My spotting scope does not leave my pack. 00:41:01.475 --> 00:41:04.595 So I personally just bit the bullet right away, I 00:41:04.595 --> 00:41:08.225 went to a Swarovski, uh, 65 mm, 25 to 60 power, 00:41:08.555 --> 00:41:10.625 um, spotting scope that I hope will last me for 00:41:10.625 --> 00:41:11.345 the rest of my life. 00:41:11.765 --> 00:41:14.255 Uh, there, I mean, Swarovski is the 00:41:14.255 --> 00:41:15.125 top in the market. 00:41:15.215 --> 00:41:15.545 Right. 00:41:15.545 --> 00:41:17.645 Uh, but having, I think up to 60 power's pretty 00:41:17.645 --> 00:41:20.705 important, uh, as long as it's good glass, because 00:41:20.795 --> 00:41:24.095 if it's not great glass, having that 60 powers. 00:41:24.095 --> 00:41:24.278 Means nothing. 00:41:24.278 --> 00:41:25.505 Not going to, yeah, exactly, not going to 00:41:25.505 --> 00:41:27.755 mean a whole lot to you and any type of mountain 00:41:27.755 --> 00:41:29.375 hunts, especially because whether your 00:41:29.375 --> 00:41:31.145 sheep hunting, your goat hunting or your caribou 00:41:31.145 --> 00:41:32.825 hunting, you gotta identify, you know, if 00:41:32.825 --> 00:41:34.385 your hunting area where it's a five-point bull 00:41:34.385 --> 00:41:37.025 or with elk, if its a six point bull having 00:41:37.025 --> 00:41:39.065 that good glass is going to, you know, could very 00:41:39.065 --> 00:41:40.655 well make the difference on you being successful 00:41:40.655 --> 00:41:41.645 or not being successful. 00:41:42.485 --> 00:41:45.335 So making sure that you got that, uh, moving 00:41:45.335 --> 00:41:47.945 on from there, uh, just miscellaneous stuff 00:41:47.945 --> 00:41:48.545 that I like to have. 00:41:49.245 --> 00:41:50.805 For all these types of hunts, is always 00:41:50.805 --> 00:41:51.555 electrical tape. 00:41:51.765 --> 00:41:53.415 That's a big one that I've just found is 00:41:53.415 --> 00:41:54.045 pretty nice to have. 00:41:54.045 --> 00:41:55.485 And what I do is I just take my electrical 00:41:55.485 --> 00:41:57.135 tape, I learned this from a friend, and I 00:41:57.135 --> 00:41:58.785 tape it around one of the legs of my tripod, 00:41:58.815 --> 00:41:59.715 just so it's not loose. 00:41:59.775 --> 00:42:00.195 Okay. 00:42:00.195 --> 00:42:01.635 So I'll tape it around there and then I can 00:42:01.635 --> 00:42:03.285 always just unroll it off of there and use 00:42:03.285 --> 00:42:04.245 it for whatever I need. 00:42:04.815 --> 00:42:07.395 Um, fire cubes are nice to have. 00:42:08.135 --> 00:42:10.425 A lot of people and myself included tend 00:42:10.425 --> 00:42:12.225 to take a floss. 00:42:12.745 --> 00:42:13.125 Sure. 00:42:13.125 --> 00:42:13.515 Yeah. 00:42:13.515 --> 00:42:15.075 Just having floss just because there's nothing 00:42:15.075 --> 00:42:16.305 worse than having something stuck in your 00:42:16.305 --> 00:42:17.235 teeth and bothering you. 00:42:17.535 --> 00:42:18.765 And that'll just throw off your mental 00:42:18.765 --> 00:42:19.395 a little bit too. 00:42:20.205 --> 00:42:21.525 So just having that, and then the other 00:42:21.525 --> 00:42:23.175 thing that floss works good for too is if you 00:42:23.175 --> 00:42:24.615 do take an animal and you're trying to get some 00:42:24.615 --> 00:42:26.475 pictures and you can't get them off, shut, just 00:42:26.475 --> 00:42:27.745 take a little bit of floss and tie it around 00:42:27.765 --> 00:42:29.025 there, it holds a shot. 00:42:29.625 --> 00:42:30.125 A good tip. 00:42:30.195 --> 00:42:30.555 Yeah. 00:42:30.555 --> 00:42:33.195 You're a toothpaste, your toothbrush, I 00:42:33.195 --> 00:42:35.055 like to take those mini travel toothbrushes. 00:42:35.055 --> 00:42:37.095 The ones at first was to fold into each other or 00:42:37.095 --> 00:42:38.925 folding within itself. 00:42:38.925 --> 00:42:40.905 And I only take the one half that's actually 00:42:41.175 --> 00:42:43.095 the toothbrush part just to cut on the weight. 00:42:43.995 --> 00:42:46.125 And then medical kid, of course. 00:42:46.515 --> 00:42:47.775 Uh, and those are the main things 00:42:47.775 --> 00:42:48.615 that I always have. 00:42:48.944 --> 00:42:50.205 What do you throw in your med med kit? 00:42:50.504 --> 00:42:52.214 Uh, nothing too crazy. 00:42:52.214 --> 00:42:53.025 I like. 00:42:53.305 --> 00:42:54.275 More blister care? 00:42:54.515 --> 00:42:55.665 A little bit of blister care. 00:42:55.935 --> 00:43:02.025 Um, I've learned to not ever, uh, I mean 00:43:02.025 --> 00:43:04.634 everyone's different, but I've just kind of used 00:43:04.634 --> 00:43:06.525 gauze for the most part and taped it up for now 00:43:06.825 --> 00:43:07.605 and then I pull it off. 00:43:07.605 --> 00:43:09.645 I've found with like anything like a lot of 00:43:09.645 --> 00:43:11.895 the blister medics and stuff, it'll just pull 00:43:11.895 --> 00:43:13.815 any of that scabbing or anything that starts 00:43:13.815 --> 00:43:14.625 to heal right off. 00:43:14.884 --> 00:43:15.855 And then you've just opened up 00:43:15.855 --> 00:43:16.545 the wound again. 00:43:16.785 --> 00:43:20.115 So I've tried to avoid that and I've just kind 00:43:20.115 --> 00:43:22.065 of put gauze on there and then I tape it up 00:43:22.065 --> 00:43:23.895 for the most part and let her breathe whenever 00:43:23.895 --> 00:43:25.754 I got a little bit of time to, and I've had 00:43:25.754 --> 00:43:27.795 success, I'm sure some guys will have different 00:43:27.795 --> 00:43:29.654 opinions on that, but it's to each their 00:43:29.654 --> 00:43:31.605 own and whatever guys are comfortable with. 00:43:32.475 --> 00:43:34.305 Uh, moving into food. 00:43:34.694 --> 00:43:35.444 Food's a big one. 00:43:36.465 --> 00:43:41.715 That you can gain and lose weight in, in terms 00:43:41.715 --> 00:43:43.335 of, you know, how heavy your pack is going to be. 00:43:43.905 --> 00:43:46.035 And the one thing with food and talking to a 00:43:46.035 --> 00:43:48.795 lot of guys that have my same level experience or 00:43:48.795 --> 00:43:52.065 more experiences, if you want to get light food, 00:43:52.095 --> 00:43:53.565 it's going to be, you know, the more you're 00:43:53.565 --> 00:43:55.065 spending, let's just kind of the only way. 00:43:55.365 --> 00:43:57.045 Um, I think it's important for guys to 00:43:57.045 --> 00:43:59.025 identify how much food they need in a day. 00:43:59.325 --> 00:44:01.395 Don't listen to forums, don't go and read all 00:44:01.395 --> 00:44:02.265 these things online. 00:44:02.694 --> 00:44:05.265 Know what you need in a day, cause everyone's 00:44:05.265 --> 00:44:05.955 totally different. 00:44:06.255 --> 00:44:08.325 You know, 150 pound guy in a 250 pound 00:44:08.325 --> 00:44:09.945 guy are gonna need certain amounts of 00:44:09.945 --> 00:44:11.265 food and they're not going to be the same. 00:44:11.535 --> 00:44:12.705 It's just, it's not. 00:44:13.065 --> 00:44:16.230 So know how many calories you need, uh, figure that 00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:17.910 out first and then figure out where you want to 00:44:17.910 --> 00:44:18.810 get those calories from. 00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:21.240 Personally, I like having a good breakfast in the 00:44:21.240 --> 00:44:23.459 morning and a good meal at night, and then just 00:44:23.459 --> 00:44:24.509 snacking during the day. 00:44:25.020 --> 00:44:26.490 And that's what I've always had success with. 00:44:26.490 --> 00:44:28.770 I only need about 26 to 2,800 calories a 00:44:28.770 --> 00:44:30.390 day when I'm in the mountains, which is less 00:44:30.390 --> 00:44:30.990 than a lot of people. 00:44:30.990 --> 00:44:33.039 Some guys need 3,500 or 4,000 calories. 00:44:33.390 --> 00:44:34.919 I just, I don't need that to survive. 00:44:34.919 --> 00:44:37.290 And I've also found that one of the things to 00:44:37.290 --> 00:44:39.750 take into consideration too, is not all of 00:44:39.750 --> 00:44:41.370 your days are going to be high output days. 00:44:41.669 --> 00:44:42.939 So you're not always going to need all 00:44:42.939 --> 00:44:43.470 of those calories. 00:44:43.470 --> 00:44:44.310 You're going to have days where you're just 00:44:44.310 --> 00:44:45.930 sitting in glass and you don't need as much food. 00:44:46.379 --> 00:44:49.109 So there's a lot of times when I have a lot of 00:44:49.109 --> 00:44:50.730 food that's left over for days where I have those 00:44:50.730 --> 00:44:52.799 high output days and need a little bit extra. 00:44:53.060 --> 00:44:54.819 Are you, uh, hiking in freshie? 00:44:54.819 --> 00:44:57.279 Or are you freeze dried or dehydrated? 00:44:57.379 --> 00:44:58.910 Yeah, I'm, I'm, uh, all freeze dried. 00:44:58.910 --> 00:45:01.279 I've been, um, using Peak Refuel. 00:45:01.339 --> 00:45:02.660 Okay. For the last while. 00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:03.890 Uh, probably last year. 00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:05.240 And I've been really impressed with 00:45:05.240 --> 00:45:05.899 all their stuff. 00:45:06.230 --> 00:45:07.339 Mountain House is always good, you can 00:45:07.339 --> 00:45:08.209 buy it off the shelf. 00:45:08.779 --> 00:45:10.009 There's a lot of different options that 00:45:10.009 --> 00:45:12.649 a lot of that are coming up, but, um, I use Peak 00:45:12.649 --> 00:45:13.700 Refuel for the most part. 00:45:13.790 --> 00:45:17.490 And then I try to get a lot of my calories from 00:45:17.490 --> 00:45:20.250 as much fat food, like fat-based foods as I can. 00:45:20.610 --> 00:45:21.919 So I've switched over to bars, like 00:45:22.020 --> 00:45:23.220 uh, good fat bars. 00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:26.250 Um, I'm really big fan of, uh, Honey 00:45:26.250 --> 00:45:27.580 Stingers, if guys have never had Honey 00:45:27.580 --> 00:45:28.980 Stingers, definitely give them a shot. 00:45:29.490 --> 00:45:32.040 Uh, like I said before, I always like 00:45:32.040 --> 00:45:34.500 having Lipton or not, Lipton, uh miso soup. 00:45:34.950 --> 00:45:36.300 It's just a pick me up in the middle of the 00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:37.860 day, boil some water and you get a little bit 00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:38.730 of extra salt in there. 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.200 And then I'll take an ounce of olive 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:41.690 oil and add that in there too for a couple 00:45:41.710 --> 00:45:43.170 extra calories so. 00:45:43.240 --> 00:45:43.650 Smart. 00:45:43.650 --> 00:45:45.600 Yeah, I store that in a cup and I drink it 00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:47.690 and a couple of buddies have looked at me 00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:49.080 like, are you actually eating miso soup on 00:45:49.080 --> 00:45:49.650 top of a mountain? 00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:51.380 And I'm like, yeah, it helps me feel better. 00:45:51.380 --> 00:45:53.220 What's it to ya. 00:45:53.330 --> 00:45:54.110 Mental mindset. 00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:54.890 It's it's huge. 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:55.760 Yeah, exactly. 00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:58.400 Um, beef jerky, something that I always take, just 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.020 packing a little beef jerky, and it's part 00:46:00.020 --> 00:46:00.560 of the mental thing. 00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:02.420 Just something good that I enjoy eating day in 00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:04.070 and day out because you remember you're eating 00:46:04.070 --> 00:46:05.570 the same thing every single day for the most 00:46:05.570 --> 00:46:07.370 part so, beef jerky is just something I can 00:46:07.370 --> 00:46:08.660 eat every single day and have no problem. 00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:10.940 Same with trail mix, I like having trail mix so. 00:46:11.110 --> 00:46:11.330 Right. 00:46:11.330 --> 00:46:14.060 That's always a good one to have a Moon Cheese 00:46:14.090 --> 00:46:16.400 is one that not a lot of guys have heard of it. 00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:17.660 If you go to MEC, you can get it. 00:46:17.660 --> 00:46:18.950 It's like a dehydrated cheese. 00:46:19.310 --> 00:46:19.810 Okay. 00:46:19.819 --> 00:46:22.130 You either love it or you hate it so, yeah. 00:46:22.220 --> 00:46:22.520 Yeah. 00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:24.530 It's definitely worth trying to a lot of 00:46:24.530 --> 00:46:26.090 calories in it and it's pretty light. 00:46:27.210 --> 00:46:29.430 I don't mind it, but some guys can't stand it 00:46:29.430 --> 00:46:30.270 and other guys love it. 00:46:30.270 --> 00:46:31.270 So they'll live off of it. 00:46:31.270 --> 00:46:31.610 Moon Cheese. 00:46:31.610 --> 00:46:32.400 Yeah. Moon Cheese. 00:46:32.700 --> 00:46:33.910 It's a dehydrated cheese, there's different 00:46:33.930 --> 00:46:35.310 brands for it, but that's just the one that I've 00:46:35.310 --> 00:46:36.780 been using just cause it's nice and easy. 00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:39.060 And you just go to MEC and pick it up. 00:46:39.630 --> 00:46:42.150 Like I had a lot of guys swear by Clif Bars. 00:46:42.180 --> 00:46:44.130 I can't get, I cannot eat a Clif Bar. 00:46:44.170 --> 00:46:45.010 Yeah, they're not my favorite. 00:46:45.030 --> 00:46:45.510 Yeah. 00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:47.280 They're just, I'm like, I'm not going to take 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.560 this because I feel like I need whatever's in it. 00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:51.390 There's way better ways to figure out 00:46:51.500 --> 00:46:53.245 a way to get it. 00:46:53.245 --> 00:46:55.575 They just remind me of Homer Simpson eaten the 00:46:55.665 --> 00:46:58.755 compressed apple cores in the he's doing his little 00:46:58.755 --> 00:46:59.475 mountain adventure. 00:46:59.505 --> 00:47:02.495 Yeah, definitely big there guys, like, 00:47:02.495 --> 00:47:03.485 um, then good on ya. 00:47:03.515 --> 00:47:03.935 Fair enough. 00:47:03.935 --> 00:47:06.215 But for me, that's definitely not a, it's 00:47:06.215 --> 00:47:07.625 definitely not where I want to get some 00:47:07.625 --> 00:47:08.405 of the calories from. 00:47:08.975 --> 00:47:10.745 Um, and the other one that's been really 00:47:10.745 --> 00:47:13.025 nice is, it's called Justin's Almond Butter. 00:47:13.325 --> 00:47:15.065 And it's like, almost like a Nutella, just 00:47:15.065 --> 00:47:16.085 a packet of Nutella. 00:47:16.445 --> 00:47:17.795 I'll just eat that like kind of after 00:47:17.795 --> 00:47:18.695 breakfast or something. 00:47:19.085 --> 00:47:21.755 And lots of calories comes from fats and 00:47:22.025 --> 00:47:22.805 it's all good for you. 00:47:23.105 --> 00:47:25.415 So that's kind of where my food is and 00:47:25.415 --> 00:47:26.225 what my go-to is. 00:47:26.825 --> 00:47:29.975 And then the only other thing is, I mean, 00:47:30.065 --> 00:47:31.535 everyone's different on their rifle and 00:47:31.535 --> 00:47:32.465 what they like to use. 00:47:32.795 --> 00:47:36.815 Um, the one thing with a rifle is you don't 00:47:36.815 --> 00:47:38.165 want to be carrying around a 12 pound 00:47:38.165 --> 00:47:40.625 rifle in the mountain, ideally, most guys don't. 00:47:41.015 --> 00:47:44.700 Um, so the other thing, I am personally right now 00:47:44.729 --> 00:47:46.709 building a rifle because I wanted something that 00:47:47.069 --> 00:47:50.609 fits for what I want and having a 24 to 26 inch 00:47:50.609 --> 00:47:53.430 barrel I found was very, very annoying because it 00:47:53.430 --> 00:47:54.330 caught everything up and. 00:47:54.330 --> 00:47:54.990 Right. Above my head. 00:47:55.259 --> 00:47:56.850 So I just built a rifle that had a 20 00:47:56.850 --> 00:47:59.609 inch, or that has a 20 inch barrel because 00:47:59.669 --> 00:48:00.689 it sits below my head. 00:48:00.689 --> 00:48:01.979 It's not going to be catching anything 00:48:02.399 --> 00:48:04.290 a little bit more compact, but. 00:48:04.580 --> 00:48:06.330 What kind of action you building it on? 00:48:06.759 --> 00:48:07.809 Defiance, anTi. 00:48:08.089 --> 00:48:08.229 Nice. 00:48:08.229 --> 00:48:11.009 So the new defines anti with a carbon barrel 00:48:11.009 --> 00:48:12.720 and Gunwerk stock so. 00:48:13.180 --> 00:48:14.459 Wow, going all out on this one. 00:48:14.520 --> 00:48:14.819 Yeah. 00:48:14.819 --> 00:48:16.049 I feel like it's my rifle. 00:48:16.049 --> 00:48:17.370 That's going to be my full mountain hunting 00:48:17.370 --> 00:48:19.950 rifle and, uh, built it in a totally new 00:48:19.950 --> 00:48:21.509 caliber that a lot of people have kind of 00:48:21.509 --> 00:48:23.490 been, uh, excited about. 00:48:23.609 --> 00:48:24.750 It's not a totally new caliber, it's 00:48:24.750 --> 00:48:25.859 actually an older calibre, but, but it's 00:48:25.859 --> 00:48:26.970 become popular again. 00:48:27.270 --> 00:48:29.569 Um, and it's seems to perform well with 00:48:29.569 --> 00:48:30.589 a short barrel so 00:48:30.959 --> 00:48:31.959 What's it chambered in? 00:48:31.959 --> 00:48:32.679 7 SAUM. 00:48:33.020 --> 00:48:33.350 Nice. 00:48:33.350 --> 00:48:33.589 Yeah. 00:48:33.589 --> 00:48:35.930 So it'll be a, it's not chambered yet. 00:48:35.930 --> 00:48:37.310 It's going to the gunsmith tomorrow, 00:48:37.310 --> 00:48:39.885 but I'm excited to see how it turns out and 00:48:39.885 --> 00:48:42.255 get shooting and get a load worked up for it. 00:48:42.255 --> 00:48:43.725 And that'll be my mountain rifle. 00:48:43.725 --> 00:48:45.315 And it's my kind of, you know, a lot of 00:48:45.315 --> 00:48:47.355 guys, oh, there's no one rifle to do it all. 00:48:47.355 --> 00:48:48.165 And I'm like, yeah, you're right. 00:48:48.165 --> 00:48:49.485 There's not one rifle to do all, but I'm 00:48:49.485 --> 00:48:51.555 comfortable with what I just put together 00:48:51.555 --> 00:48:53.565 that any mountain game in BC I'd be 00:48:53.565 --> 00:48:55.295 comfortable with that so 00:48:55.565 --> 00:48:58.145 What's it uh, well, I guess once it's all 00:48:58.145 --> 00:48:59.665 put together, you'll know, but w what are you 00:48:59.665 --> 00:49:01.295 hoping to weigh in at? 00:49:01.634 --> 00:49:03.404 It's going to be just shy of eight pounds. 00:49:03.404 --> 00:49:05.025 So it will be, I did quick math yesterday. 00:49:05.025 --> 00:49:07.485 It's seven, seven quickly on the math that I did. 00:49:07.965 --> 00:49:09.735 I'm not a ultra light guy. 00:49:09.795 --> 00:49:11.505 Like I don't believe in a six pound rifle. 00:49:11.505 --> 00:49:13.005 Cause I believe you lose shootability in 00:49:13.005 --> 00:49:13.845 a six pound rifle. 00:49:14.115 --> 00:49:16.305 You tend to get a lot of whip, bit more recoil. 00:49:16.785 --> 00:49:17.715 I just don't enjoy it. 00:49:17.925 --> 00:49:19.875 That seven and a half to eight and a half 00:49:19.875 --> 00:49:21.435 pound range is kind of what I thought was 00:49:21.735 --> 00:49:23.685 my, or I personally believe is perfect 00:49:23.685 --> 00:49:25.035 for a mountain rifle. 00:49:25.035 --> 00:49:27.134 And some guys will listen to this and think, oh 00:49:27.615 --> 00:49:30.075 no, it's way too heavy, but to each their own. 00:49:30.134 --> 00:49:33.585 I just shootability, packability, are both 00:49:33.585 --> 00:49:35.685 things that I consider and I mean, shootability 00:49:35.685 --> 00:49:37.665 is a big, big, big factor that you got to take 00:49:37.665 --> 00:49:38.835 into effect or take into. 00:49:38.835 --> 00:49:39.405 Huge. Account. 00:49:39.405 --> 00:49:41.755 So yeah, if you can pack a rifle around, 00:49:41.755 --> 00:49:43.125 but can't shoot it, what good is it? 00:49:43.245 --> 00:49:43.815 Exactly. 00:49:43.845 --> 00:49:44.175 Yeah. 00:49:44.175 --> 00:49:46.365 It's not every time that it's one shot, one kill. 00:49:46.365 --> 00:49:48.535 So, you know, I take that into account. 00:49:49.815 --> 00:49:52.005 And, uh, I think that's, most of all the 00:49:52.005 --> 00:49:53.185 gear that I'm taking. 00:49:53.384 --> 00:49:55.565 Little lighter or a striker, 00:49:55.565 --> 00:49:56.155 what're you using? 00:49:56.555 --> 00:49:59.255 Uh, I usually pack a lighter and then a small 00:49:59.255 --> 00:50:00.875 striker, just a, one of those, like they're 00:50:00.875 --> 00:50:01.745 called the ferro rod. 00:50:01.805 --> 00:50:02.255 Yeah. 00:50:02.255 --> 00:50:03.525 It just takes a small ferro rod. 00:50:03.875 --> 00:50:06.435 Um, and then some of the fire cubes actually have, 00:50:06.455 --> 00:50:08.855 uh, it's kind of like a ferro rod too, that comes 00:50:08.855 --> 00:50:10.535 with them when you buy the pack of fire cubes. 00:50:10.835 --> 00:50:12.305 They're nice to have, they're like under an 00:50:12.305 --> 00:50:13.595 ounce and just throw them in wherever. 00:50:13.595 --> 00:50:14.255 So lightweight. 00:50:14.285 --> 00:50:14.785 Yeah. 00:50:14.795 --> 00:50:16.325 So it's nice to have those kinds of things 00:50:16.325 --> 00:50:17.465 and have a bunch of different options. 00:50:17.765 --> 00:50:18.905 Definitely don't want to rely on just 00:50:18.905 --> 00:50:19.565 having one lighter. 00:50:20.075 --> 00:50:21.395 Some guys like waterproof matches. 00:50:21.395 --> 00:50:23.115 I used to carry em, I don't carry them so much 00:50:23.115 --> 00:50:25.390 anymore, just cause I have the ferro rod, the 00:50:25.410 --> 00:50:27.960 lighter and that other little piece, so I've 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:28.890 been okay without it. 00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:30.779 Um, but matches are good to have. 00:50:31.529 --> 00:50:34.500 And then, uh, some guys I used to carry up like 00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.379 an emergency candle, I don't know why. 00:50:36.410 --> 00:50:37.650 Just like a level of comfort. 00:50:37.870 --> 00:50:39.060 Yeah, like a little tealight right? 00:50:39.109 --> 00:50:39.609 Yeah. 00:50:39.759 --> 00:50:40.950 I'd carry that sometimes. 00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:42.240 I haven't been using it as much in the last 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:44.520 couple of years, but uh, they're they're, 00:50:44.520 --> 00:50:45.900 they are kind of nice to have and just kind 00:50:45.900 --> 00:50:47.910 of throw in the tent and that kind of stuff. 00:50:48.330 --> 00:50:54.089 Um, I, I always take a, I'm drawing a blank 00:50:54.089 --> 00:50:55.230 again, a sponge with me. 00:50:55.740 --> 00:50:57.450 I learned this on a, from a film. 00:50:58.319 --> 00:50:59.400 When you're out there, you're spending a lot 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:00.900 of nights, your tent tends to build up all 00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.089 that condensation, so just having that sponge. 00:51:03.089 --> 00:51:03.609 Good point. 00:51:03.609 --> 00:51:05.879 And, yeah cleaning off that, uh, condensation, 00:51:05.879 --> 00:51:07.140 that's built up on the top of the tent 00:51:07.140 --> 00:51:08.549 so that you don't get up and get soaked. 00:51:08.629 --> 00:51:10.040 Yeah, disgusting but good point. 00:51:10.069 --> 00:51:10.540 Yeah. 00:51:10.540 --> 00:51:11.200 Yeah. Exactly. 00:51:11.509 --> 00:51:12.210 Good to have. 00:51:12.570 --> 00:51:13.950 Uh, I'm just trying to think if there's any, 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:16.230 those are the main things that, uh, I like to have 00:51:16.560 --> 00:51:19.200 a little titanium cup is always nice to have 00:51:19.230 --> 00:51:20.910 for, you know, if you wanna have some drinks, 00:51:21.240 --> 00:51:22.710 if you want to take a little bit of whiskey or 00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:24.660 whatever, mix that in, it's always nice to kind 00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:26.040 of have on the mountain for a little bit of a 00:51:26.040 --> 00:51:28.140 pick me up, especially for those long, long 00:51:28.140 --> 00:51:30.120 days or when you're not having any success. 00:51:30.120 --> 00:51:31.350 And you're sitting there at night and you just 00:51:31.350 --> 00:51:32.730 need something to help you feel a little better. 00:51:33.180 --> 00:51:34.170 That's always an option too. 00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:36.660 Um, but yeah, those are, those are the main 00:51:36.660 --> 00:51:37.410 things that I'm taking. 00:51:38.250 --> 00:51:40.980 A lot of guys, like I'm taking different type 00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:43.230 packets for mixing into their water, whether it's 00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:45.720 like a Wilderness Athlete packet or just something 00:51:45.720 --> 00:51:47.400 to get their electrolytes and everything back in. 00:51:47.850 --> 00:51:48.830 So it's good to have to. 00:51:49.560 --> 00:51:50.160 You do those? 00:51:50.640 --> 00:51:51.180 Uh, I do. 00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:51.330 Yeah. 00:51:51.330 --> 00:51:52.650 I just started last year taking some 00:51:52.650 --> 00:51:54.030 of the Wilderness Athlete packs with me. 00:51:54.100 --> 00:51:54.410 Okay. 00:51:54.410 --> 00:51:56.220 And they have a nice, it's nice to have a 00:51:56.220 --> 00:51:57.510 little bit of flavor in the water too. 00:51:57.660 --> 00:51:57.960 Yeah. 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.140 And I mean, I can't say I feel like a hundred 00:52:01.140 --> 00:52:02.670 times better because I took, you know, 00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:04.620 packer electrolytes, but it definitely does 00:52:04.620 --> 00:52:05.340 help in the long run. 00:52:05.970 --> 00:52:07.050 Um, yeah. 00:52:07.080 --> 00:52:09.090 That's most of my kit there trying to think 00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:11.430 if there's anything else that's specialized 00:52:11.430 --> 00:52:14.009 to mountain hunting, but I mean, that covers 00:52:14.009 --> 00:52:14.759 it for the most part. 00:52:14.759 --> 00:52:16.200 And everyone's going to have a 00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:17.850 variation of something like that right. 00:52:18.210 --> 00:52:20.160 So everyone's going to have their opinion, 00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:21.600 but I think the most important thing is just 00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:24.450 build your own opinion on what works for you. 00:52:24.700 --> 00:52:25.920 Right, go there, try it. 00:52:26.009 --> 00:52:26.580 Exactly. 00:52:27.029 --> 00:52:28.380 You know, there's only one way to figure out 00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:30.240 if it's going to be for you, it's by trying it, 00:52:30.750 --> 00:52:33.000 uh, having a, actually another thing is a lot 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.529 of guys like to have a SOL tarp, just a 00:52:34.529 --> 00:52:35.310 glass under and stuff. 00:52:35.310 --> 00:52:36.750 I always keep a lightweight one in my 00:52:36.750 --> 00:52:39.360 pack pack, uh, covers you from the rain or 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.950 even from the sun, if it's hot day, right. 00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:42.720 You just set that up and you get out of 00:52:42.720 --> 00:52:44.310 the sun and just to another added level 00:52:44.310 --> 00:52:45.180 of comfort for sure. 00:52:46.169 --> 00:52:47.600 What size SOL tarp are you takin? 00:52:47.805 --> 00:52:50.215 Uh, mine's an 8x10,. 00:52:50.415 --> 00:52:52.055 It's the Kifaru Sheep Target. 00:52:52.065 --> 00:52:54.555 Believe it's 8x10 and super lightweight. 00:52:54.555 --> 00:52:57.285 It's just under a pound, I believe, uh, fits 00:52:57.285 --> 00:52:58.035 anywhere in the pack. 00:52:58.035 --> 00:52:59.715 And it's super easy to pull out, hanging 00:52:59.715 --> 00:53:01.905 out with your, uh, your hiking poles. 00:53:01.995 --> 00:53:03.165 Oh, hiking poles. 00:53:03.185 --> 00:53:03.725 There you go. 00:53:03.725 --> 00:53:04.025 Yeah. 00:53:04.025 --> 00:53:04.795 Didn't even think about that one. 00:53:04.795 --> 00:53:06.275 See that's what I usually wrap my tape around. 00:53:06.365 --> 00:53:06.865 Yeah. 00:53:06.905 --> 00:53:07.925 A lot of guys do that too. 00:53:08.375 --> 00:53:10.475 Uh, but I think, I don't know how many guys 00:53:10.475 --> 00:53:12.005 I've talked to, like you take hiking poles? 00:53:12.005 --> 00:53:13.255 I'm like, yeah I take hiking poles. 00:53:13.445 --> 00:53:13.865 Totally. 00:53:13.865 --> 00:53:15.725 You've got a 120 pound pack you're talking 00:53:15.725 --> 00:53:17.385 about, it'd be kind of nice with hiking poles. 00:53:17.405 --> 00:53:18.155 Yeah, exactly. 00:53:18.155 --> 00:53:19.925 So I think hiking poles everyone should 00:53:19.925 --> 00:53:21.245 have, unless you're not, I mean, some 00:53:21.245 --> 00:53:22.385 guys aren't gonna like it, but they're 00:53:22.385 --> 00:53:23.255 super nice to have. 00:53:23.765 --> 00:53:25.895 And uh, yeah that's everything for the 00:53:25.895 --> 00:53:26.525 most part I think. 00:53:26.615 --> 00:53:27.845 Carbon fiber or aluminum? 00:53:27.905 --> 00:53:28.595 I use aluminum. 00:53:28.855 --> 00:53:29.355 Yeah. 00:53:29.455 --> 00:53:30.785 I've just had the same ones for six 00:53:30.785 --> 00:53:31.865 years and they haven't failed me yet. 00:53:31.865 --> 00:53:32.585 So why change? 00:53:32.615 --> 00:53:33.035 Fair enough. 00:53:33.035 --> 00:53:34.145 That's kind of been my approach on it. 00:53:34.145 --> 00:53:36.065 I'm sure I'll switch out, but I look at the 00:53:36.065 --> 00:53:37.305 price of carbon poles and I'm like, yeah. 00:53:37.305 --> 00:53:37.845 So expensive! 00:53:37.875 --> 00:53:39.485 Yeah, I'm like my aluminum poles have done 00:53:39.485 --> 00:53:40.475 just fine for six years. 00:53:40.475 --> 00:53:42.515 I'm sure they will uh, until they break out, 00:53:42.785 --> 00:53:43.355 keep running though. 00:53:44.384 --> 00:53:45.555 I think you covered everything there. 00:53:45.555 --> 00:53:47.085 And then of course, if you're in the winter 00:53:47.105 --> 00:53:49.694 side, you're looking at crampons possibly and. 00:53:49.904 --> 00:53:50.225 Yeah. 00:53:50.225 --> 00:53:50.915 Oh definitely. 00:53:50.915 --> 00:53:52.384 Crampons, climbing ropes. 00:53:52.384 --> 00:53:54.754 And I mean, other hunts, you might need a climbing 00:53:54.754 --> 00:53:57.214 rope too, but again, only if you're comfortable 00:53:57.214 --> 00:53:58.674 with it and you have the right training and or you 00:53:58.685 --> 00:54:00.305 have someone with who's comfortable in using it. 00:54:00.395 --> 00:54:01.384 What size rope you're taking? 00:54:01.595 --> 00:54:05.705 Uh, the one I took last year was about 200 feet 00:54:05.705 --> 00:54:07.595 with 9.8 mil dynamic. 00:54:08.105 --> 00:54:11.915 Um, and we only really needed it for like, 00:54:11.915 --> 00:54:13.565 we would tie it up to kind of lower ourselves 00:54:13.565 --> 00:54:14.785 down onto the goat and then to tie up 00:54:14.785 --> 00:54:16.234 the goat a little bit, just to support a while 00:54:16.234 --> 00:54:16.865 we were cleaning it. 00:54:17.495 --> 00:54:19.924 Um, so we didn't need it for anything, like 00:54:19.924 --> 00:54:21.424 at no point did I ever have to put my harness 00:54:21.424 --> 00:54:24.065 on luckily, but, uh, the other rope was good. 00:54:24.065 --> 00:54:25.625 I mean, it's an extra seven pounds. 00:54:25.625 --> 00:54:27.605 You got to carry in your, right in your backpack, 00:54:27.605 --> 00:54:28.325 which kind of sucks. 00:54:28.325 --> 00:54:30.575 But you know, it could be worth it in the end. 00:54:30.995 --> 00:54:33.845 Um, yeah and I mean, for those winter hunts, 00:54:34.234 --> 00:54:35.674 crampons, ice ax. 00:54:35.705 --> 00:54:37.535 Ice ax is a big one, I took a bad spill and 00:54:37.865 --> 00:54:38.555 luckily had my ice. 00:54:38.705 --> 00:54:39.785 They wouldn't have been anything where I have 00:54:39.785 --> 00:54:42.345 got seriously hurt cause I hit some pretty good 00:54:42.345 --> 00:54:45.420 powder after, but digging my ice ax into the ice 00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:48.210 was a good way to slow my, slow my fall down a 00:54:48.210 --> 00:54:49.529 little bit, or my slide. 00:54:49.950 --> 00:54:51.029 It's a pretty thorough list. 00:54:51.390 --> 00:54:51.890 Yeah. 00:54:52.109 --> 00:54:54.000 I, I mean, you spend a lot of time out there. 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.350 You just kind of start to learn what 00:54:55.350 --> 00:54:56.580 works for you and what doesn't work for you. 00:54:56.580 --> 00:54:57.839 And like I said, everyone's 00:54:57.839 --> 00:54:58.589 totally different. 00:54:58.589 --> 00:55:01.020 And you know, everyone likes to, I'm a Kuiu 00:55:01.020 --> 00:55:02.950 guy or I'm a Sitka guy, or I'm a Kifaru guy, or 00:55:02.950 --> 00:55:04.710 I'm a FirstLite guy and there's a lot of the 00:55:04.710 --> 00:55:05.609 back and forth banter. 00:55:05.609 --> 00:55:07.109 But at the end of the day, it's all going to 00:55:07.109 --> 00:55:07.830 get you on the mountains. 00:55:07.830 --> 00:55:09.630 And a lot of guys don't buy any of that stuff and 00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:11.629 they go to MEC and they buy whatevers there, or. 00:55:11.890 --> 00:55:12.799 Right. Atmosphere, right. 00:55:12.799 --> 00:55:15.089 Or Arc'Teryx, like it's all good gear, right. 00:55:15.509 --> 00:55:17.069 It's all made for being on the mountains. 00:55:17.069 --> 00:55:18.509 And if it's good enough for guys who 00:55:18.509 --> 00:55:19.710 are mountaineering, I'm sure it's good enough 00:55:19.710 --> 00:55:20.460 for guys we're hunting. 00:55:20.810 --> 00:55:21.560 Yeah. Good point. 00:55:21.950 --> 00:55:22.450 Good point. 00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:22.960 Yeah. 00:55:23.660 --> 00:55:26.779 So winter hunt, you're talking about doing a 00:55:26.779 --> 00:55:28.000 goat hunt in the winter. 00:55:28.210 --> 00:55:28.710 Yeah. 00:55:30.200 --> 00:55:34.605 Can you, like first off, what prompted 00:55:34.605 --> 00:55:35.535 this insanity? 00:55:36.605 --> 00:55:37.085 Good question. 00:55:37.085 --> 00:55:38.105 That's a very good question. 00:55:38.535 --> 00:55:40.265 A couple of years ago, the guys at the Journal 00:55:40.265 --> 00:55:42.005 Mountain Hunting did a winter goat hunt 00:55:42.005 --> 00:55:42.755 that they recorded. 00:55:43.265 --> 00:55:43.985 They put it out. 00:55:44.585 --> 00:55:46.685 Uh, I watched it and I said, I got to do one 00:55:46.685 --> 00:55:49.505 of these, like just the challenge and all of 00:55:49.505 --> 00:55:51.755 that is it, it's insane. 00:55:52.025 --> 00:55:54.845 And to watch that video really opened my eyes 00:55:54.845 --> 00:55:56.795 to kind of some of the possibilities that we had 00:55:56.795 --> 00:55:57.665 here in British Columbia. 00:55:58.235 --> 00:56:01.115 So right after that, we, I started talking 00:56:01.115 --> 00:56:02.915 to some friends who I knew might be interested 00:56:02.915 --> 00:56:04.865 and they had already had a trip planned for 00:56:04.865 --> 00:56:05.705 the following year. 00:56:06.425 --> 00:56:08.315 So they went and did that and they sent me all the 00:56:08.315 --> 00:56:10.835 pictures from that trip and it just like got the 00:56:10.835 --> 00:56:11.765 blood boiling even more. 00:56:11.765 --> 00:56:13.055 And I'm like, okay we definitely need 00:56:13.055 --> 00:56:15.695 to do this planned one for 2020, which 00:56:15.755 --> 00:56:18.670 I was lucky enough to have the the tag for. 00:56:19.140 --> 00:56:22.830 And we went up February around the 20th of 2020, 00:56:23.220 --> 00:56:26.340 and we walked in and I was fortunate enough 00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.560 to get into a spot where we found a billy 00:56:28.770 --> 00:56:29.850 pretty much on day one. 00:56:30.450 --> 00:56:31.950 Um, and we were able to take that billy 00:56:31.950 --> 00:56:34.740 on day one, but that wasn't the end of it. 00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:37.230 The, the toughest part of that hunt 00:56:37.230 --> 00:56:39.690 was trying to access the area we got into. 00:56:39.690 --> 00:56:41.220 It was about six hours to get into a 00:56:41.220 --> 00:56:42.690 spot where we could start glassing goats. 00:56:43.110 --> 00:56:44.880 We were just fortunate enough to get on to a 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:45.750 good billy right away. 00:56:46.590 --> 00:56:48.030 But from there is where a lot of the 00:56:48.030 --> 00:56:48.750 adventure started. 00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:53.120 Once that billy had hit the ground, we kind 00:56:53.120 --> 00:56:55.280 of, I underestimated how difficult it was 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:56.630 going to be to get into a couple of spots. 00:56:56.630 --> 00:56:59.060 And this comes into identifying where these 00:56:59.060 --> 00:57:02.030 goats are going to die and we did, and we knew 00:57:02.030 --> 00:57:03.740 that at any point we could get into, in some 00:57:03.740 --> 00:57:04.700 areas, we're going to be a little bit more 00:57:04.700 --> 00:57:05.660 difficult than others. 00:57:06.915 --> 00:57:08.505 We tried making a play to get up to him 00:57:08.505 --> 00:57:10.125 cause it was already pretty late that night. 00:57:10.155 --> 00:57:12.345 It was about 5:30 and you don't have a ton 00:57:12.345 --> 00:57:13.245 of light in February. 00:57:13.325 --> 00:57:13.825 Right. 00:57:14.085 --> 00:57:16.665 5, 5:30 and we tried getting up with 00:57:16.665 --> 00:57:17.955 headlamps and we just couldn't do it. 00:57:17.955 --> 00:57:19.065 It just wasn't safe. 00:57:19.065 --> 00:57:21.015 So we had to back out, spend the night down 00:57:21.015 --> 00:57:23.115 at the bottom and then make the play again 00:57:23.115 --> 00:57:25.515 in the morning it took us, I believe, 13 hours 00:57:25.785 --> 00:57:28.725 of climbing going up, getting rocked out back 00:57:28.725 --> 00:57:30.735 and back down, going up, getting bluffed 00:57:30.735 --> 00:57:32.835 out again, just working our way around until 00:57:32.835 --> 00:57:34.935 we finally got to the goat and we're able to 00:57:34.935 --> 00:57:35.635 start working on him. 00:57:35.985 --> 00:57:37.785 And I think from the time we left the 00:57:37.785 --> 00:57:40.995 tents to the time we recovered the goat, we 00:57:40.995 --> 00:57:42.885 were able to cape him out and I caped 'em out 00:57:42.885 --> 00:57:43.665 for like a life size. 00:57:43.665 --> 00:57:44.775 So that took quite a bit of time. 00:57:45.225 --> 00:57:47.775 Um, and then get him back down. 00:57:47.805 --> 00:57:50.535 I think it was 16 or 17 hours, like a 16, 17 hour 00:57:50.565 --> 00:57:51.675 just retrieval alone. 00:57:52.875 --> 00:57:54.395 And we had some great weather on that trip. 00:57:55.004 --> 00:57:58.365 And we kind of came out talking about, you know, 00:57:58.754 --> 00:58:00.404 this isn't too bad, this winter goat thing 00:58:00.975 --> 00:58:02.294 planned our 2021 trip. 00:58:03.134 --> 00:58:05.234 So this year we went again at the same 00:58:05.234 --> 00:58:05.774 time of the year. 00:58:06.015 --> 00:58:07.154 I didn't have a tag this year. 00:58:07.694 --> 00:58:09.234 Both of my friends, Lorne Trousdell 00:58:09.254 --> 00:58:10.125 Mark Trousdell did. 00:58:11.085 --> 00:58:13.305 And we had high expectations. 00:58:13.305 --> 00:58:15.044 We just, the year before we'd done a three day. 00:58:15.044 --> 00:58:15.705 Get it day one right? 00:58:15.705 --> 00:58:15.964 Yeah. 00:58:15.964 --> 00:58:17.194 We did a three-day goat hunt. 00:58:17.194 --> 00:58:18.125 We saw lots of goats. 00:58:18.154 --> 00:58:18.605 Yeah. 00:58:18.605 --> 00:58:20.734 But, uh, the boys wanted to try a totally new 00:58:20.734 --> 00:58:22.625 area, pretty foreign to us for the most 00:58:22.625 --> 00:58:23.915 part, we had a little bit of information 00:58:23.915 --> 00:58:24.605 from others, people. 00:58:25.384 --> 00:58:28.055 So we got up, uh, we kind of did the drive 00:58:28.055 --> 00:58:33.214 in one day, got up there and we hiked in later 00:58:33.214 --> 00:58:34.565 into the evening, we did about three hours 00:58:34.565 --> 00:58:36.785 to get in with a plan of doing a bit more 00:58:36.785 --> 00:58:38.495 relocating the next day and get further back 00:58:38.495 --> 00:58:42.004 into the valley, did a little bit of, um, Google 00:58:42.004 --> 00:58:42.665 earth on the phones. 00:58:42.665 --> 00:58:44.015 We had saved kind of the maps in the area 00:58:44.015 --> 00:58:45.665 and figured we were in a decent area that night 00:58:45.665 --> 00:58:47.674 where we could set camp and still be able to hunt 00:58:47.674 --> 00:58:48.395 for a couple of days. 00:58:49.595 --> 00:58:51.575 We got rained on, snowed on that night. 00:58:52.545 --> 00:58:54.495 Woke up the next morning had no visibility. 00:58:54.495 --> 00:58:57.135 We spent four days without moving more 00:58:57.135 --> 00:59:00.015 than 150 yards from our tent, just because we 00:59:00.015 --> 00:59:00.915 had zero visibility. 00:59:00.915 --> 00:59:03.405 There was no point in moving further down 00:59:03.465 --> 00:59:05.325 because we couldn't see anything, we didn't know 00:59:05.325 --> 00:59:06.075 what was going to happen. 00:59:06.465 --> 00:59:09.795 Avalanche conditions were pretty high throughout 00:59:09.815 --> 00:59:11.295 the entire trip, just with the amount of rain 00:59:11.295 --> 00:59:12.015 that was coming down. 00:59:12.525 --> 00:59:14.445 Um, I remember at one point, I think it was day 00:59:14.445 --> 00:59:17.805 two or day three, we're sitting there and we had, 00:59:17.895 --> 00:59:18.675 we set it up pretty good. 00:59:18.675 --> 00:59:20.475 We took two, two man tents, and then we 00:59:20.475 --> 00:59:23.565 took a, a shelter and we set the shelter up 00:59:23.595 --> 00:59:25.905 above and in between the two tents, just so 00:59:25.905 --> 00:59:27.825 that, uh, we had a bit of a hangout area and 00:59:27.825 --> 00:59:28.755 we kind of dug it out. 00:59:28.755 --> 00:59:30.255 And the three of us could kind of sit 00:59:30.255 --> 00:59:31.635 huddled in there and just hang out and 00:59:31.635 --> 00:59:34.425 talk and listen to our podcast or read a book. 00:59:35.085 --> 00:59:38.325 But yeah, we spent uh, day two, we're 00:59:38.325 --> 00:59:40.845 sitting there, uh, having dinner I think, 00:59:41.205 --> 00:59:43.245 and it was raining. 00:59:43.695 --> 00:59:44.955 And all of a sudden, you just kind of heard 00:59:44.955 --> 00:59:47.055 a little bit of a crack and some start to slide 00:59:47.205 --> 00:59:49.005 and this avalanche broke off across the valley. 00:59:49.905 --> 00:59:51.645 I think it was about 400 yards down valley 00:59:52.215 --> 00:59:55.365 and it was insane, like just the crashing boom. 00:59:55.605 --> 00:59:57.735 You could hear the trees snapping off and we went 00:59:57.735 --> 00:59:59.925 and checked it out the next day and the snow had 01:00:00.255 --> 01:00:02.265 came right off and built up right at the bottom of 01:00:02.265 --> 01:00:03.135 this big avalanche shoot. 01:00:03.135 --> 01:00:06.765 And you're just thinking like, wow, like, you 01:00:06.765 --> 01:00:08.295 know, when you set your camp, you pick a spot 01:00:08.295 --> 01:00:10.935 that you're not in any sort of real avy shoot, 01:00:10.935 --> 01:00:13.095 but you know, if guys don't know what they're 01:00:13.095 --> 01:00:14.385 looking for, someone doesn't know where they 01:00:14.385 --> 01:00:16.125 should or shouldn't camp could get really 01:00:16.125 --> 01:00:17.035 dangerous really quick. 01:00:17.395 --> 01:00:17.765 Totally. 01:00:17.765 --> 01:00:21.075 So yeah, it was, I hadn't had any real big 01:00:21.075 --> 01:00:23.235 avalanches around me ever before that, but that 01:00:23.235 --> 01:00:25.515 one going off was kind of eyeopening for sure. 01:00:26.205 --> 01:00:26.415 But yeah. 01:00:26.415 --> 01:00:28.065 So the next couple of days, again, we just kind 01:00:28.065 --> 01:00:29.025 of spent it at the tent. 01:00:29.475 --> 01:00:32.895 Um, day four I remember sitting, going to sit 01:00:32.895 --> 01:00:34.695 up and my hips were just shot from laying 01:00:34.695 --> 01:00:36.555 down so much sitting and laying down so much. 01:00:36.975 --> 01:00:38.565 I'm like, I just, I can't do this. 01:00:38.565 --> 01:00:41.025 And you're wet the entire time, it's coastal 01:00:41.025 --> 01:00:42.555 conditions in February. 01:00:42.945 --> 01:00:44.805 You're on a ton of snow and then it's raining on 01:00:44.805 --> 01:00:45.685 you the whole time too. 01:00:46.735 --> 01:00:49.850 So, remember looking at the weather and tell him 01:00:49.850 --> 01:00:51.510 one of the guys I'm like, should we just pull out? 01:00:51.510 --> 01:00:53.400 Like we haven't seen any goats in the time we've 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.140 actually been able to glass kind of the faces 01:00:55.140 --> 01:00:57.510 in the mountains, around us, the conditions aren't 01:00:57.510 --> 01:00:58.710 looking like they're going to get any better. 01:00:58.710 --> 01:01:00.330 Like, I don't, I don't know what we should do. 01:01:01.710 --> 01:01:03.960 Um, my friend Lorne, he just does not give up. 01:01:04.020 --> 01:01:06.060 Like he has no quit in him, like, if we're there 01:01:06.060 --> 01:01:07.440 for eight days, we're there for eight days 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.450 and it doesn't matter unless we cut a tag, 01:01:09.720 --> 01:01:10.440 we're not coming out. 01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:11.100 Good for him. 01:01:11.130 --> 01:01:13.230 So I'm like, okay, we're in it for the long haul. 01:01:13.230 --> 01:01:14.850 You guys came with me and packed out my goat. 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:15.900 I'm here to help too. 01:01:16.890 --> 01:01:19.050 So day five, we finally caught a little bit of 01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:21.580 break in the weather and we went about 9k 01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:23.810 down valley that day and did some glass and 01:01:23.810 --> 01:01:25.560 then got into an area that looked a little 01:01:25.560 --> 01:01:27.300 bit like it had a little bit more potential. 01:01:27.630 --> 01:01:29.490 But at this point, all of our gear was so soaked 01:01:29.490 --> 01:01:31.260 and so wet, we hadn't brought our camp with us. 01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:33.330 We just kind of got down valley as 01:01:33.330 --> 01:01:33.960 quick as possible. 01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:35.610 And when you're going through that much snow 01:01:35.610 --> 01:01:37.050 and a lot of the snow softened up and you're 01:01:37.050 --> 01:01:39.000 still in snow shoes, but it's hard to break 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.380 through sometimes and just get down. 01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:40.700 Oh yeah. 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:40.950 Valleys. 01:01:40.950 --> 01:01:42.390 It's it's a bit of a nightmare. 01:01:43.230 --> 01:01:45.960 So we packed it back out and on the way 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.850 back store, another storm rolled in. 01:01:47.850 --> 01:01:49.500 And I remember hitting the creek at one point 01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:51.990 and looking at the guys and it just hammered 01:01:51.990 --> 01:01:52.620 down snow on us. 01:01:52.620 --> 01:01:55.589 And they took a picture, uh, where we're just 01:01:55.589 --> 01:01:57.089 covered, like within a couple minutes of 01:01:57.089 --> 01:01:58.640 stopping, we're just all white covered, 01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:00.270 trying to fill our water bottles on this creek. 01:02:00.810 --> 01:02:02.910 And I'm like, mad, what are we doing here? 01:02:02.910 --> 01:02:04.620 Like this is, it makes no sense. 01:02:05.100 --> 01:02:06.600 Sounds like a survival exercise. 01:02:06.810 --> 01:02:08.009 A little bit, in a way yeah. 01:02:08.490 --> 01:02:10.410 Um, we got back to camp and then the 01:02:10.410 --> 01:02:12.029 next day the weather broke for us again. 01:02:12.540 --> 01:02:14.730 We were able to do some more glass in and we've 01:02:14.730 --> 01:02:17.490 got down the valley and day six I think 01:02:17.490 --> 01:02:19.230 it was, we finally saw our first goats. 01:02:19.379 --> 01:02:24.390 We, uh, saw three billies and, um, in 01:02:24.390 --> 01:02:26.069 a spot where we knew we could access them. 01:02:26.069 --> 01:02:27.450 And we weren't sure if we were going to make a play 01:02:27.450 --> 01:02:29.609 at them, it was kind of getting late in the day 01:02:30.540 --> 01:02:32.669 and, uh, just couldn't make it happen that day. 01:02:32.669 --> 01:02:33.779 But we made a decision that we're going to 01:02:33.779 --> 01:02:35.850 come back the next day, a day that I had said, 01:02:35.850 --> 01:02:37.169 if we don't see any goats were taken off, 01:02:37.169 --> 01:02:37.830 like this is getting. 01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:40.500 But anyway, so we did, we came back in 01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:42.060 that day and we made a play up the mountain. 01:02:42.060 --> 01:02:44.190 And again, just kind of like the year before you 01:02:44.190 --> 01:02:45.930 kind of underestimate how much time it's going to 01:02:45.930 --> 01:02:47.730 take you to get up some of these spots and climb 01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:49.890 up through, and you're using an ice ax and you 01:02:49.890 --> 01:02:51.840 got your crampons on, and you're switching between 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.670 crampons and snow shoes, depending on kind of what 01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:54.630 the conditions you're in. 01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.549 But yeah, we made a play up to these goats were, 01:02:57.570 --> 01:02:59.220 thinking we might be able to get a good look at 01:02:59.220 --> 01:03:01.520 them and just couldn't once we got up there, 01:03:01.560 --> 01:03:03.870 just couldn't find what we were looking for. 01:03:03.870 --> 01:03:06.240 And, you know, you always kind of under 01:03:06.240 --> 01:03:08.490 judged the stuff you might be in and. 01:03:08.490 --> 01:03:09.279 Right. 01:03:09.299 --> 01:03:11.820 Came out that, came back down that night 01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:14.279 and we're kind of hiking back towards camp 01:03:14.279 --> 01:03:16.560 and we're all pretty defeated and no success. 01:03:16.560 --> 01:03:19.110 And I remember looking at the guys and we're 01:03:19.110 --> 01:03:21.210 just kinda like, I think I said to them, I'm 01:03:21.210 --> 01:03:22.880 like, I could really use a pizza tonight. 01:03:22.890 --> 01:03:24.450 Cause we're like, I think it was day seven, it 01:03:24.450 --> 01:03:25.320 might've even been eight. 01:03:26.775 --> 01:03:28.815 And they kind of all, were they looked at each 01:03:28.815 --> 01:03:31.035 other and they looked at me and we kind of 01:03:31.035 --> 01:03:33.225 decided, all right, well, let's just pack up camp 01:03:33.225 --> 01:03:33.765 and head out tonight. 01:03:33.765 --> 01:03:35.175 And at this point it's like 9:30, 10 01:03:35.175 --> 01:03:35.805 o'clock at night. 01:03:36.165 --> 01:03:38.085 And we still got two hours to get back 01:03:38.115 --> 01:03:39.855 towards our camp. 01:03:39.945 --> 01:03:42.165 And then two to three hours depending to 01:03:42.165 --> 01:03:44.145 hoof out and you're doing a goat hunt in 01:03:44.145 --> 01:03:45.645 the winter, you're taking a ton of gear. 01:03:45.645 --> 01:03:46.995 Like our packs, none of our packs were 01:03:46.995 --> 01:03:48.015 under 75 pounds. 01:03:48.465 --> 01:03:51.645 So it's just get back to camp that night, 01:03:51.855 --> 01:03:52.605 pack it all up. 01:03:52.965 --> 01:03:54.855 And we start doing this hike out at night 01:03:54.855 --> 01:03:56.655 and it's, I believe it was a full moon cause 01:03:56.655 --> 01:03:59.385 I remember like my headlight died and I 01:03:59.505 --> 01:04:01.365 was still was lit with a full moon behind me. 01:04:01.365 --> 01:04:03.825 And just like, the whole time again, 01:04:03.825 --> 01:04:05.505 questioning that type two fun attitude. 01:04:05.505 --> 01:04:06.465 Like, why am I doing it? 01:04:06.695 --> 01:04:07.475 Why do we do this? 01:04:07.475 --> 01:04:08.195 Why did I come here? 01:04:08.255 --> 01:04:09.695 Why did I just took a week off work to 01:04:09.695 --> 01:04:10.235 come and do this? 01:04:10.235 --> 01:04:12.185 Like just super frustrated. 01:04:12.185 --> 01:04:14.615 And you kinda get back to the truck that night 01:04:14.615 --> 01:04:17.325 and you sit down at the truck and you know, 01:04:17.325 --> 01:04:20.625 we always just have a hangout or have a drink 01:04:20.625 --> 01:04:22.425 or have a little bit normal food that we 01:04:22.425 --> 01:04:25.545 left in the truck and kind of sat back, relax 01:04:25.545 --> 01:04:26.325 and talked about it. 01:04:26.895 --> 01:04:28.605 Get out of there, start driving in the middle 01:04:28.605 --> 01:04:29.835 of the night and find somewhere you can get 01:04:29.835 --> 01:04:30.765 a motel for the night. 01:04:31.545 --> 01:04:32.855 We're able to get pizza that night. 01:04:32.855 --> 01:04:33.695 Nice. 01:04:34.095 --> 01:04:35.655 Take a shower and then, you know, you're kind 01:04:35.655 --> 01:04:37.035 of sitting there and it's like, I dunno, it 01:04:37.035 --> 01:04:38.655 was like two, three in the morning or something 01:04:38.655 --> 01:04:39.915 and we're looking at each other and we're 01:04:39.915 --> 01:04:41.235 like, yeah, that sucked. 01:04:41.235 --> 01:04:42.615 But we'll probably be here again next year 01:04:42.615 --> 01:04:43.335 just doing it again. 01:04:43.365 --> 01:04:44.505 It's that type two thing. 01:04:44.505 --> 01:04:47.055 Cause you know, we're suckers for pain I guess. 01:04:47.055 --> 01:04:47.775 But um. 01:04:47.895 --> 01:04:49.455 You know, it's a feeling of accomplishment 01:04:49.455 --> 01:04:50.145 when it's done. 01:04:50.325 --> 01:04:51.225 Yeah, exactly. 01:04:51.255 --> 01:04:52.965 And that's just like, there's no success. 01:04:52.965 --> 01:04:54.405 We had, you know, we didn't take a goat 01:04:54.405 --> 01:04:56.265 this year, but we'll definitely be back there 01:04:56.265 --> 01:04:58.925 again to do it again and try and take a goat. 01:04:59.195 --> 01:05:01.475 Still the feeling of accomplishment as a team, 01:05:01.475 --> 01:05:04.675 going out there and, and at least doing that, 01:05:05.405 --> 01:05:07.625 you know, I always, I always have a difficult 01:05:07.625 --> 01:05:09.785 time when I make the harvest of the animal 01:05:09.785 --> 01:05:10.715 the ultimate goal. 01:05:10.745 --> 01:05:11.245 Exactly. 01:05:11.345 --> 01:05:14.955 And when, when, if that is my ultimate goal, 01:05:14.955 --> 01:05:17.295 then I'm either going to be happy or not. 01:05:17.445 --> 01:05:17.925 Yeah. 01:05:17.925 --> 01:05:21.435 And I I've always made it a very big 01:05:21.465 --> 01:05:23.535 point, particularly with, with my kids as 01:05:23.535 --> 01:05:27.555 well at the, uh, the journey is the, the 01:05:27.555 --> 01:05:29.835 adventure, the journey is the point of it and. 01:05:29.835 --> 01:05:30.105 Definitely. 01:05:30.105 --> 01:05:31.815 If you're successful or not on the harvest 01:05:32.775 --> 01:05:35.145 that that's just icing on the cake. 01:05:35.405 --> 01:05:35.905 Absolutely. 01:05:36.095 --> 01:05:36.785 Yeah, definitely. 01:05:36.785 --> 01:05:38.405 And you know, when you're doing those kinds 01:05:38.405 --> 01:05:40.685 of trips, especially these winter goat 01:05:40.685 --> 01:05:43.055 hunts, like you're, you're definitely doing 01:05:43.055 --> 01:05:43.685 it for the adventure. 01:05:43.685 --> 01:05:44.775 You're not going out there just. 01:05:44.815 --> 01:05:45.185 Right. 01:05:45.185 --> 01:05:46.715 For the reason that you want to harvest them. 01:05:46.715 --> 01:05:47.735 Like you're going out there for the 01:05:47.735 --> 01:05:49.325 challenge, the adventure, the memory, 01:05:49.625 --> 01:05:50.495 all of that right. 01:05:50.495 --> 01:05:52.485 So, and you get some pretty cool pictures 01:05:52.485 --> 01:05:53.395 along the way, I'll tell ya that. 01:05:53.495 --> 01:05:54.065 Oh, totally. 01:05:54.215 --> 01:05:54.715 Yeah. 01:05:54.965 --> 01:05:57.665 So 2022 doing it again? 01:05:57.905 --> 01:05:59.495 I'm going to take a year off this year, I think 01:05:59.495 --> 01:06:02.135 from 2022, although just this past weekend, 01:06:02.135 --> 01:06:03.665 I kind of, might've got roped into one. 01:06:03.845 --> 01:06:04.385 I don't know. 01:06:04.865 --> 01:06:05.555 We'll kind of see. 01:06:05.945 --> 01:06:09.395 Um, the guys are planning one already, so we'll 01:06:09.395 --> 01:06:09.965 see what happens. 01:06:09.965 --> 01:06:11.645 I might end up swinging into it and doing it. 01:06:12.930 --> 01:06:15.029 Well, we'll see, I told them I'd be sending them 01:06:15.029 --> 01:06:17.400 text messages from Mexico drinking a pina colada, 01:06:17.430 --> 01:06:18.990 but that may not happen. 01:06:18.990 --> 01:06:19.490 We'll see. 01:06:20.009 --> 01:06:20.509 I love it. 01:06:20.549 --> 01:06:21.049 Yeah. 01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:24.350 So if people wanted to learn more about what 01:06:24.620 --> 01:06:27.259 the Goat Alliance does, you guys have a website? 01:06:27.380 --> 01:06:27.880 Yeah. 01:06:27.890 --> 01:06:30.170 Um, obviously that's a pretty good place 01:06:30.170 --> 01:06:30.799 to check it out. 01:06:30.859 --> 01:06:31.339 Yep. 01:06:31.339 --> 01:06:35.120 Um, do they have any, would you be a local 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:36.109 contact on there? 01:06:36.140 --> 01:06:37.220 Yes, exactly. 01:06:37.220 --> 01:06:38.569 So that, that's the whole point of this new 01:06:38.569 --> 01:06:41.690 regional representative program is that everyone 01:06:41.690 --> 01:06:43.279 in all these respective different areas is 01:06:43.279 --> 01:06:44.900 going to have someone or a point of contact 01:06:44.900 --> 01:06:45.650 for the Goat Alliance. 01:06:45.650 --> 01:06:47.720 And I'll be one of two, that'll be in 01:06:47.720 --> 01:06:48.380 British Columbia. 01:06:48.740 --> 01:06:50.210 And more than likely, I'll be kind of 01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:52.609 handling the west side of the province. 01:06:52.609 --> 01:06:54.049 And hopefully someone will be on the east 01:06:54.049 --> 01:06:55.310 side of the province, or however, we're going 01:06:55.310 --> 01:06:57.620 to decide to divide that up, but we'll sort that 01:06:57.620 --> 01:06:59.299 out, but yeah, I can be that point of contact. 01:06:59.299 --> 01:07:00.950 There's also the social media channel, like the 01:07:00.950 --> 01:07:02.540 Instagram Goat Alliance. 01:07:02.569 --> 01:07:04.670 That's a, that's a big one and a really 01:07:04.670 --> 01:07:06.049 good one to check out in the website, 01:07:06.049 --> 01:07:06.899 GoatAlliance.org. 01:07:07.485 --> 01:07:09.315 That's obviously where guys can go and sign 01:07:09.315 --> 01:07:11.384 up and get signed up for a membership or do 01:07:11.384 --> 01:07:11.985 whatever they want to do. 01:07:11.985 --> 01:07:13.275 And there's tons of great information. 01:07:13.275 --> 01:07:14.505 There's blog posts on there. 01:07:14.685 --> 01:07:15.584 There's all sorts of different 01:07:15.584 --> 01:07:16.134 things on there. 01:07:16.875 --> 01:07:18.240 So, what other things that people need to 01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:19.740 know about what the Goat Alliance does? 01:07:19.740 --> 01:07:21.420 And if they really want to get involved with 01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:24.270 this, what would they be expecting to do? 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.370 So, one of the big aspects of the Goat 01:07:26.390 --> 01:07:28.730 Alliance is citizen science and the idea 01:07:28.730 --> 01:07:30.380 of citizen science and doing citizen science. 01:07:30.770 --> 01:07:32.780 Uh, the surveys are a really big one and 01:07:32.780 --> 01:07:34.130 there's been tons of surveys done by the 01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:36.740 Goat Alliance down in the states and people 01:07:36.740 --> 01:07:38.780 love going out to them, but that's a really big 01:07:38.780 --> 01:07:39.470 way to get involved. 01:07:39.770 --> 01:07:41.660 Obviously membership's a big one too, because 01:07:42.020 --> 01:07:44.180 no organization works without the dollars 01:07:44.180 --> 01:07:46.310 and we can't help different people 01:07:46.310 --> 01:07:47.840 in different places without putting money 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:48.560 on the ground, as well. 01:07:48.560 --> 01:07:49.790 As nice it has to have boots on the 01:07:49.790 --> 01:07:51.920 ground, those dollars help a lot as well. 01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:52.854 Huge. 01:07:52.854 --> 01:07:53.785 Yeah, exactly. 01:07:54.024 --> 01:07:56.365 So signing up for a membership on there and 01:07:56.365 --> 01:07:58.734 then reaching out to, even on the social media 01:07:58.734 --> 01:08:00.714 page or whether that, or reaching out directly 01:08:00.714 --> 01:08:02.424 to me to talk about upcoming, any upcoming 01:08:02.424 --> 01:08:05.004 projects or anything like that, there's always 01:08:05.004 --> 01:08:07.375 something going on that people can get involved 01:08:07.375 --> 01:08:09.595 in or talk to us about. 01:08:09.595 --> 01:08:11.455 Or if they've got ideas, if they've seen something 01:08:11.455 --> 01:08:13.404 come up outdoor, or they were doing a mountain 01:08:13.404 --> 01:08:14.544 goat hunt and they noticed something that 01:08:14.544 --> 01:08:16.495 seemed a little odd, shoot us a message. 01:08:16.524 --> 01:08:17.635 Let's talk about it and see if there's 01:08:17.635 --> 01:08:19.224 something that Goat Alliance can do there. 01:08:19.785 --> 01:08:21.224 So I'm going to put links up both on 01:08:21.224 --> 01:08:22.125 the YouTube page. 01:08:22.125 --> 01:08:23.684 They're going to have them in the podcast 01:08:23.715 --> 01:08:26.085 and we'll do a little blog post as well 01:08:26.444 --> 01:08:28.184 with all of that information in there. 01:08:28.184 --> 01:08:30.465 So anyone who's listening to this, just check 01:08:30.465 --> 01:08:32.804 out the website, check out the, uh, you'll see 01:08:32.804 --> 01:08:34.484 it right here, right there on your podcast. 01:08:34.484 --> 01:08:35.475 All of that information will be 01:08:35.475 --> 01:08:36.075 right there for you. 01:08:36.135 --> 01:08:36.615 Yeah. 01:08:36.615 --> 01:08:37.115 Awesome. 01:08:37.125 --> 01:08:38.085 Is there anything else that we should 01:08:38.085 --> 01:08:38.894 be talking about? 01:08:38.925 --> 01:08:39.554 Some people say. 01:08:40.285 --> 01:08:41.475 Why would I want to do that? 01:08:41.475 --> 01:08:44.535 It sounds like an awful lot of work for 01:08:44.685 --> 01:08:46.225 a small bit of meat. 01:08:46.295 --> 01:08:46.475 Yeah. 01:08:46.475 --> 01:08:48.904 Well, I mean, I think there's a lot to, uh, the 01:08:48.904 --> 01:08:50.495 adventure when it comes to goat hunting is one 01:08:50.495 --> 01:08:52.955 of the biggest things, in my opinion, uh, watching 01:08:52.955 --> 01:08:55.085 these animals who live in some of the craziest 01:08:55.115 --> 01:08:57.635 craziest places that you could imagine, you're 01:08:57.635 --> 01:08:59.135 just trying to figure out how they're even walking 01:08:59.135 --> 01:09:00.185 on some of these bluffs. 01:09:00.375 --> 01:09:00.475 Right. 01:09:00.475 --> 01:09:01.625 Just watching it is amazing. 01:09:02.135 --> 01:09:04.625 Um, so just accessing it and seeing it 01:09:04.625 --> 01:09:06.665 is, is super cool. 01:09:06.995 --> 01:09:10.505 And then the ability to, again, it comes up 01:09:10.505 --> 01:09:12.995 again is take the right animal, taking that right 01:09:12.995 --> 01:09:15.154 out and finding that right billy, I believe 01:09:15.154 --> 01:09:16.835 is definitely part of the allure as well. 01:09:17.105 --> 01:09:20.225 Um, you want to take an old mature animal, 01:09:20.375 --> 01:09:22.625 you don't want to be taken a two year old 01:09:22.625 --> 01:09:26.435 animal or whatever, but chasing and taking the 01:09:26.435 --> 01:09:27.845 right billy and making sure you're not taking 01:09:27.845 --> 01:09:30.035 a nannie, I think adds to that challenge. 01:09:30.065 --> 01:09:30.694 And for me, it. 01:09:31.575 --> 01:09:32.475 I love the challenge. 01:09:32.625 --> 01:09:35.205 Like, I, I don't want to go out and take something 01:09:35.655 --> 01:09:37.755 and just come home every time I go hunting right. 01:09:37.935 --> 01:09:39.465 Right. So, um. 01:09:39.495 --> 01:09:40.395 That'd be called shopping. 01:09:40.515 --> 01:09:41.415 Exactly. 01:09:41.415 --> 01:09:41.655 Right. 01:09:41.655 --> 01:09:44.175 And I think that's part of why the group of 01:09:44.175 --> 01:09:45.825 people that I hunt with and stuff now started 01:09:45.825 --> 01:09:47.775 doing these winter hunts is just that added 01:09:47.775 --> 01:09:48.855 element of the challenge. 01:09:49.215 --> 01:09:51.495 And we're going in on four to six feet of snow 01:09:51.495 --> 01:09:54.315 sometimes underneath us and camping in just 01:09:54.315 --> 01:09:55.455 below avalanche shoots. 01:09:55.455 --> 01:09:57.345 And this year we had avalanches popping off 01:09:57.375 --> 01:10:00.015 around us and it just adds to everything it 01:10:00.015 --> 01:10:00.975 adds to the experience. 01:10:00.975 --> 01:10:03.465 It adds to why we're out there, the stories, 01:10:03.465 --> 01:10:06.045 the memories, it's just, it's awesome. 01:10:06.045 --> 01:10:09.355 And then when you do take one of these goat, 01:10:09.384 --> 01:10:11.005 like I've, I've only personally taken one. 01:10:11.005 --> 01:10:13.195 I've been on a few now where we were successful, 01:10:13.195 --> 01:10:14.934 but I've personally taken one and it was 01:10:15.115 --> 01:10:17.424 the end of February and walking up to it. 01:10:17.424 --> 01:10:20.065 And in some parts I got 12 inches of hair and 01:10:20.514 --> 01:10:23.165 they're like massive animals, like 250 01:10:23.184 --> 01:10:24.325 to 300 pound animal. 01:10:25.434 --> 01:10:26.605 It's so cool. 01:10:26.605 --> 01:10:28.764 And they live in the, yeah. 01:10:28.855 --> 01:10:30.325 Going back to the country, like they just 01:10:30.325 --> 01:10:32.815 live in the most awesome places on some of those 01:10:32.815 --> 01:10:33.835 sketchy rock bluffs. 01:10:33.835 --> 01:10:34.945 And yeah. 01:10:35.144 --> 01:10:36.884 Are you loving it when you're out there and 01:10:36.884 --> 01:10:38.655 you're slogging through the snow or are you 01:10:38.655 --> 01:10:41.054 loving it in retrospect, when you think back 01:10:41.054 --> 01:10:42.084 about the hunt? 01:10:42.334 --> 01:10:44.054 It's definitely type two fun. 01:10:44.144 --> 01:10:45.084 Yes. 100%. 01:10:45.105 --> 01:10:46.304 It is type two fun. 01:10:46.485 --> 01:10:46.985 Yeah. 01:10:47.235 --> 01:10:48.855 There's been many times when I'm out there and 01:10:48.855 --> 01:10:50.775 I questioned my sanity and question why we're 01:10:50.775 --> 01:10:52.365 even out there in these kinds of conditions and 01:10:52.844 --> 01:10:54.674 you come back and you sit back for six months and 01:10:54.674 --> 01:10:55.724 you're like, yeah, yeah. 01:10:55.755 --> 01:10:57.285 I can't wait to get out there and do it again. 01:10:57.974 --> 01:10:59.505 I I've heard it described like the, 01:10:59.505 --> 01:11:00.825 uh, the rollercoaster. 01:11:00.884 --> 01:11:02.835 Hey, you're fun on the rollercoaster, but you 01:11:02.835 --> 01:11:06.285 don't look back and say, man, that roller coaster 01:11:06.285 --> 01:11:07.305 ride share was great. 01:11:07.695 --> 01:11:09.405 Whereas something like this, where you're 01:11:09.405 --> 01:11:12.465 pushing yourself and your well outside of 01:11:12.465 --> 01:11:15.045 your comfort zone, and you sometimes 01:11:15.045 --> 01:11:16.845 might hate yourself during the process. 01:11:16.875 --> 01:11:17.375 Yeah. 01:11:17.535 --> 01:11:19.185 But you look back on that and it's just 01:11:19.185 --> 01:11:21.705 ingrained in your mind as a positive memory that 01:11:22.185 --> 01:11:23.235 you'll always remember. 01:11:23.655 --> 01:11:24.465 Type two fun. 01:11:24.495 --> 01:11:25.125 I like that. 01:11:25.715 --> 01:11:27.905 So a lot of people refer to it and I 01:11:27.905 --> 01:11:29.585 mean, it's a perfect way to talk about it. 01:11:29.585 --> 01:11:31.265 Like in the moment you're questioning why 01:11:31.265 --> 01:11:32.435 you're there and then you get back and you 01:11:32.435 --> 01:11:34.265 look back on it and you remember why you're 01:11:34.265 --> 01:11:35.685 there and you can't wait to do it again. 01:11:36.355 --> 01:11:40.265 So I'm going to have to, uh, get my rearing 01:11:40.265 --> 01:11:43.259 gear and, uh, start planning a goat hunt. 01:11:43.530 --> 01:11:44.280 Yeah, definitely. 01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:46.860 And like I said, living in British Columbia. 01:11:46.860 --> 01:11:48.570 We have so much opportunity in so 01:11:48.570 --> 01:11:49.740 many different areas, whether you want to 01:11:49.740 --> 01:11:51.959 put in through our draw system or just do an 01:11:51.959 --> 01:11:52.950 over the counter tag. 01:11:53.459 --> 01:11:56.250 And there's so many different types of 01:11:56.350 --> 01:11:57.780 country you can go into. 01:11:57.990 --> 01:12:00.000 There's so many different levels of access that 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:01.440 you can go into when it comes to hunting these 01:12:01.440 --> 01:12:04.230 goats, that the options are kind of endless. 01:12:04.230 --> 01:12:05.519 And we're so fortunate for that. 01:12:05.919 --> 01:12:08.795 Uh, we can do combination hunts with other species. 01:12:09.304 --> 01:12:10.894 A lot of guys tend to go on sheep hunts, 01:12:10.915 --> 01:12:12.275 and then they pack a goat tag as well, 01:12:12.905 --> 01:12:14.134 uh, or caribou hunts. 01:12:14.134 --> 01:12:16.054 And, you know, the goats are kind of up above ya. 01:12:16.264 --> 01:12:16.715 Right. 01:12:16.715 --> 01:12:17.045 Yeah. 01:12:17.045 --> 01:12:17.945 There's a lot of that. 01:12:18.035 --> 01:12:19.865 Even when you go into Eastern BC, you can 01:12:19.865 --> 01:12:22.054 do an elk hunt and you could be holding a goat 01:12:22.075 --> 01:12:24.455 tag in your pocket if you've got to draw and 01:12:24.455 --> 01:12:26.315 you're elk tag or your elk hunt can switch into 01:12:26.315 --> 01:12:27.245 a goat hunt pretty quick. 01:12:27.755 --> 01:12:29.615 Like, it's just so awesome to have a species 01:12:29.615 --> 01:12:32.434 that's so all over our province and we have 01:12:32.434 --> 01:12:34.175 so much access to being able to hunt them. 01:12:34.625 --> 01:12:37.264 And I think a lot of guys tend to overlook that. 01:12:37.535 --> 01:12:39.184 And then once you do your first goat hunt, you're 01:12:39.184 --> 01:12:40.415 kind of hooked on it. 01:12:40.445 --> 01:12:42.184 You're like, why did I never do this before? 01:12:42.184 --> 01:12:43.745 Why did I never think about doing this before 01:12:43.745 --> 01:12:46.235 everyone's hung up on hunting elk and chasing 01:12:46.235 --> 01:12:48.815 a bugle or chasing full curl rams, right? 01:12:49.445 --> 01:12:52.205 Where you don't think so much about goats because 01:12:52.474 --> 01:12:55.334 they have these eight to 10 inch horns and, you 01:12:55.334 --> 01:12:57.945 know, they don't maybe show as well, but when 01:12:57.945 --> 01:12:59.565 you get into the actual venture and you do the 01:12:59.565 --> 01:13:03.135 actual trip, it's, I'd say there's a lot more 01:13:03.135 --> 01:13:04.785 adventure and there's a lot more interesting 01:13:04.785 --> 01:13:06.385 moments on a goat hunt than anything else. 01:13:06.795 --> 01:13:07.395 No kidding. 01:13:07.445 --> 01:13:11.015 So if you're looking at optimal goat area, what 01:13:11.015 --> 01:13:12.275 would you be looking for? 01:13:13.725 --> 01:13:14.445 It's tough to say. 01:13:14.445 --> 01:13:16.155 So I'm going to it'll depend on what 01:13:16.155 --> 01:13:17.325 part of the province I'm going to be in. 01:13:17.325 --> 01:13:19.635 So generally, if you look at coastal British 01:13:19.635 --> 01:13:22.155 Columbia, it's tends to be steep, very steep, 01:13:22.245 --> 01:13:23.355 very timbered areas. 01:13:23.715 --> 01:13:25.905 And I found that a lot of the goats tend 01:13:25.905 --> 01:13:28.275 to live right around treeline or in these 01:13:28.275 --> 01:13:30.645 rock bluffs that tend to be right around trees. 01:13:30.645 --> 01:13:32.055 Just, they have a lot of escape routes. 01:13:32.055 --> 01:13:32.985 Look for something that has a ton 01:13:32.985 --> 01:13:33.645 of escape routes. 01:13:34.335 --> 01:13:35.865 When you look up in, towards Northern British 01:13:35.865 --> 01:13:38.745 Columbia, a lot of these goats like to live in 01:13:38.985 --> 01:13:41.385 grassy bowls or just above those grassy bowls 01:13:41.385 --> 01:13:44.745 where a rock faces up above, uh, somewhere 01:13:44.745 --> 01:13:47.175 that again, they have that escape terrain 01:13:47.175 --> 01:13:48.975 and that escape terrain is a big thing to look 01:13:48.975 --> 01:13:51.105 for because it's a way for them to get away 01:13:51.105 --> 01:13:52.005 from predators as well. 01:13:52.005 --> 01:13:52.935 They're going to want that level 01:13:52.935 --> 01:13:53.655 of safety, right? 01:13:54.275 --> 01:13:55.545 A goat can get up a rock face. 01:13:56.220 --> 01:13:58.330 Grizzly bear probably can't or a Wolf 01:13:58.330 --> 01:13:59.080 probably can't. 01:13:59.440 --> 01:14:01.540 So identifying scape trends, identifying 01:14:01.780 --> 01:14:02.620 those go-to areas. 01:14:03.010 --> 01:14:05.710 Um, and depending on what the conditions are 01:14:05.710 --> 01:14:08.420 like, you know, like a lot of species, south 01:14:08.440 --> 01:14:10.720 facing generally, uh, depending on that time 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.010 of year, you're going to want to be focusing 01:14:12.010 --> 01:14:13.510 on, um, not always. 01:14:14.350 --> 01:14:15.820 And that another thing that we've seen 01:14:15.820 --> 01:14:18.250 with goats too, is, uh, depending on the 01:14:18.250 --> 01:14:20.530 temperatures and what the conditions are 01:14:20.530 --> 01:14:22.180 like, if it's hot out, they're going to try 01:14:22.180 --> 01:14:23.050 to find some snow. 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:25.120 Anywhere there's a glacier snow, 01:14:25.150 --> 01:14:26.020 they're going to want to live on that. 01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:26.830 Cause it's cool right? 01:14:26.830 --> 01:14:27.250 Right. 01:14:27.250 --> 01:14:28.960 So if you're hunting that Northern BC where it can 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.850 be 30 plus degrees at the start of August, and you 01:14:30.850 --> 01:14:32.800 might have a goat tag, maybe try and identify 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:34.030 where the glaciers are, where you're going to be 01:14:34.030 --> 01:14:35.500 able to find some snow cause you might find some 01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:36.340 goats in there as well. 01:14:37.360 --> 01:14:38.110 That's a good point. 01:14:38.230 --> 01:14:38.730 Yeah. 01:14:38.900 --> 01:14:39.760 A best time of day? 01:14:40.450 --> 01:14:43.340 Uh, I found with goats, you can kind of, they, 01:14:43.340 --> 01:14:46.030 they tend to bed mid day, a lot, like any other 01:14:46.030 --> 01:14:49.125 animal and they tend to move in the mornings, 01:14:49.125 --> 01:14:51.525 in the evenings, but they're white. 01:14:51.945 --> 01:14:53.295 Like, unless you're hunting them in the 01:14:53.295 --> 01:14:54.525 winter, generally you're looking for a 01:14:54.525 --> 01:14:55.575 white on a rock face. 01:14:55.575 --> 01:14:57.915 So I found that goats are probably the 01:14:57.915 --> 01:15:00.045 easiest animal to pick out when you're 01:15:00.045 --> 01:15:00.855 doing some glassing. 01:15:00.995 --> 01:15:01.335 Right. 01:15:01.335 --> 01:15:03.615 Um, but again, it's still important to have good 01:15:03.615 --> 01:15:05.025 glass when you're out there and making sure 01:15:05.025 --> 01:15:07.815 that, uh, especially with the spotter and you're 01:15:07.815 --> 01:15:09.585 able to identify and judge them and do it. 01:15:11.490 --> 01:15:12.599 Do you ever solo hunt these? 01:15:13.839 --> 01:15:14.840 I've never solo hunted 01:15:14.870 --> 01:15:16.969 goats no, that's not something I would 01:15:16.969 --> 01:15:17.780 personally want to do. 01:15:17.780 --> 01:15:19.550 I mean, a lot of guys do it and all the power to 01:15:19.550 --> 01:15:21.889 them, but I've just found myself in some situations 01:15:21.889 --> 01:15:23.420 when I was goat, when I've been goat hunting, 01:15:23.690 --> 01:15:26.389 that I would not want to be there by myself. 01:15:26.420 --> 01:15:27.590 We've been roped up. 01:15:27.860 --> 01:15:31.040 We, when we do our winter hunts, we carry, um, 01:15:31.190 --> 01:15:34.639 small packable harnesses and usually about 200 01:15:34.639 --> 01:15:36.260 feet of climbing rope. 01:15:37.099 --> 01:15:38.719 Obviously make sure you got someone on the trip 01:15:38.719 --> 01:15:41.309 that knows knotting and knows how to climb and. 01:15:41.410 --> 01:15:41.730 Right. 01:15:41.730 --> 01:15:42.710 Has experienced with that. 01:15:43.290 --> 01:15:45.440 Um, cause you don't want to get into a situation 01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:46.760 where you think you're more comfortable than 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:48.260 you actually should be and put yourself into a 01:15:48.260 --> 01:15:49.400 bad situation of course. 01:15:50.150 --> 01:15:54.585 But yeah, definitely not something I don't 01:15:54.585 --> 01:15:56.625 think I'd want to do solo, maybe go out 01:15:56.625 --> 01:15:58.155 and scope for them solo, but I wouldn't 01:15:58.155 --> 01:16:00.005 actually get right into the nasty by myself. 01:16:00.035 --> 01:16:00.575 Right. 01:16:00.785 --> 01:16:02.684 But to each their own of guys, you know, there's 01:16:02.684 --> 01:16:04.365 guys that don't have a lot more mountaineering 01:16:04.365 --> 01:16:05.965 and backpacking and climbing experience than 01:16:05.985 --> 01:16:07.815 I might have that are comfortable with that. 01:16:08.174 --> 01:16:10.665 Um, I know there's some guys in the province that 01:16:10.844 --> 01:16:12.795 do it by themselves and they don't go anywhere 01:16:12.795 --> 01:16:14.565 without having a helmet on just in case like 01:16:14.565 --> 01:16:16.985 just having that safety aspect of it right. 01:16:17.195 --> 01:16:17.735 That's smart. 01:16:17.735 --> 01:16:19.275 And I think it's important that anyone, 01:16:19.275 --> 01:16:20.985 when we're going out and chasing these animals 01:16:21.344 --> 01:16:23.325 have a certain way to keep in contact or 01:16:23.325 --> 01:16:25.035 keeping communication with people on the 01:16:25.035 --> 01:16:27.165 outside when you don't have cell reception, just 01:16:27.165 --> 01:16:29.295 in case something like that does happen right. 01:16:29.644 --> 01:16:29.915 Right. 01:16:29.915 --> 01:16:33.514 Like a little inReach or a spot, or are you 01:16:33.575 --> 01:16:35.915 even bother with, uh, sat phones anymore? 01:16:36.605 --> 01:16:37.775 I haven't seen a satphone since that 01:16:37.775 --> 01:16:39.705 first fly in hunt action I did six years ago. 01:16:40.054 --> 01:16:42.365 I've I've never had great success with sat phones. 01:16:42.455 --> 01:16:44.245 No, they're, they're cut pretty in and out 01:16:44.255 --> 01:16:46.500 and pretty limited on how much you can 01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:47.310 actually use them, but. 01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:48.150 And they're heavier. 01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:48.960 Yeah, they are. 01:16:49.140 --> 01:16:51.120 But yeah, they definitely are. 01:16:51.670 --> 01:16:53.580 I've just had good success with an inReach 01:16:53.580 --> 01:16:55.800 and I think that's probably the best way to 01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:57.360 go or one of the better ways to go for sure. 01:16:58.500 --> 01:16:58.650 Yeah. 01:16:58.650 --> 01:17:01.380 So even like going back to the Rocky Mountain 01:17:01.380 --> 01:17:03.330 Goat Alliance and just funding and stuff, I 01:17:03.420 --> 01:17:05.460 had to pull out a note just to see a couple 01:17:05.460 --> 01:17:07.740 of the things here, but like collar projects, 01:17:07.740 --> 01:17:10.620 relocation projects, uh, research, and then 01:17:10.620 --> 01:17:12.450 aerial surveys, which are, you know, I didn't 01:17:12.450 --> 01:17:14.250 think about that at first because RMG just 01:17:14.250 --> 01:17:15.810 funded an aerial survey here in Chilliwack. 01:17:16.260 --> 01:17:18.210 Um, those are just some of the places like I know 01:17:18.210 --> 01:17:19.620 someone will ask, where does the dollars go? 01:17:19.620 --> 01:17:21.120 Where does the money go, those have been some 01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:22.740 of the biggest projects so far, is putting 01:17:22.740 --> 01:17:23.430 those things together. 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.740 And like for example, collars, collars are 01:17:25.740 --> 01:17:28.620 not cheap, but they provide a ton of data 01:17:29.070 --> 01:17:31.770 to RMG, to the local biologists, all of that. 01:17:31.770 --> 01:17:34.460 So when we're able to provide funding for 01:17:34.460 --> 01:17:35.960 collars, that's huge. 01:17:35.985 --> 01:17:37.514 Biologist'a appreciate that as well. 01:17:37.815 --> 01:17:39.905 So can people get involved with a 01:17:40.285 --> 01:17:41.355 collaring project? 01:17:41.885 --> 01:17:44.675 That's going to depend, I think on the area 01:17:44.675 --> 01:17:46.295 that you're in and the biologist I know here 01:17:46.295 --> 01:17:48.844 with British Columbia, generally with a project 01:17:48.844 --> 01:17:50.885 like that, they're going to want to have more 01:17:50.885 --> 01:17:53.075 of like the government employees on with that, 01:17:54.155 --> 01:17:55.894 especially I think when it comes to goats, but 01:17:56.165 --> 01:17:58.655 that, that may change because RMG is pretty 01:17:58.655 --> 01:18:00.965 new into BC and we're still trying to build 01:18:00.965 --> 01:18:01.625 those relationships. 01:18:01.625 --> 01:18:03.094 We're working on building those relationships 01:18:03.094 --> 01:18:04.955 with these biologists and maybe down the 01:18:04.955 --> 01:18:06.245 road, that is something that we can get more 01:18:06.245 --> 01:18:08.684 people involved in is putting some collars 01:18:08.705 --> 01:18:10.625 on goats and doing some studies that way. 01:18:11.014 --> 01:18:12.695 And I think it'd be pretty awesome to 01:18:12.695 --> 01:18:14.355 have people be able to volunteer for that but. 01:18:14.355 --> 01:18:15.065 No kidding. 01:18:15.155 --> 01:18:17.285 Yeah, maybe one day that that will be a reality. 01:18:17.795 --> 01:18:19.054 One of the first projects that mountain 01:18:19.054 --> 01:18:22.144 goat or RMG ever did was a, a volunteer 01:18:22.144 --> 01:18:23.165 survey in the Montana. 01:18:23.764 --> 01:18:26.344 Um, now they've done them in Montana, South 01:18:26.344 --> 01:18:29.585 Dakota, Washington, Utah, Idaho, Colorado. 01:18:29.585 --> 01:18:32.195 And then this year, obviously in British 01:18:32.195 --> 01:18:34.054 Columbia this past year, did the first 01:18:34.054 --> 01:18:34.994 ever winter survey. 01:18:35.494 --> 01:18:35.914 Okay. 01:18:35.914 --> 01:18:36.660 That they had done. 01:18:37.050 --> 01:18:38.460 Uh, I heard that the weather conditions 01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:39.540 weren't ideal for that. 01:18:39.540 --> 01:18:41.100 And I think it's a bit of a learning 01:18:41.100 --> 01:18:41.730 curve for doing that. 01:18:41.730 --> 01:18:43.080 In any time you want to go into the mountains 01:18:43.080 --> 01:18:44.390 at that time of the year, you're going to. 01:18:44.390 --> 01:18:44.510 Right. 01:18:44.510 --> 01:18:46.350 There's going to be some hiccups and you're going 01:18:46.350 --> 01:18:47.310 to run into some issues. 01:18:47.310 --> 01:18:48.690 It's just the reality of what it is, but 01:18:48.690 --> 01:18:51.150 it's pretty cool to be doing a winter survey. 01:18:51.150 --> 01:18:52.470 Like just getting guys into the mountains 01:18:52.470 --> 01:18:54.570 at that time of the year is awesome. 01:18:54.570 --> 01:18:55.080 Is fun. 01:18:55.170 --> 01:18:55.650 It's fun. 01:18:55.650 --> 01:18:57.540 And it's hard to do, like, not a lot of guys 01:18:57.540 --> 01:19:00.060 want to sign up to be in the mountains in 01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:02.460 February or March or when there's six feet 01:19:02.460 --> 01:19:03.210 of snow down right. 01:19:03.320 --> 01:19:03.610 Right. 01:19:03.610 --> 01:19:05.370 And it was kind of the same for Chilliwack here. 01:19:05.370 --> 01:19:07.950 We, it was 43 degrees at one point when we 01:19:07.950 --> 01:19:10.890 were out there, like it was, it was cooking. 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.290 I had, I was kind of traveling around and 01:19:13.290 --> 01:19:14.880 going to visit as many guys as I could. 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:16.650 And I felt bad for some of the guys that 01:19:16.650 --> 01:19:18.660 were doing those big climbs because it 01:19:18.660 --> 01:19:19.350 was pretty nasty. 01:19:19.350 --> 01:19:20.730 I know guys were starting at two o'clock in the 01:19:20.730 --> 01:19:22.290 morning just to try and avoid the heat so. 01:19:22.730 --> 01:19:23.210 Wow. 01:19:23.210 --> 01:19:23.710 Yeah. 01:19:24.620 --> 01:19:27.530 Now you've got your own Instagram page as well. 01:19:27.620 --> 01:19:27.890 Yeah. 01:19:27.890 --> 01:19:28.670 Did you want to plug that? 01:19:29.250 --> 01:19:30.720 Uh, sure it's just my name. 01:19:30.750 --> 01:19:33.225 Jeff Agostinho yeah, that's just, uh, 01:19:33.615 --> 01:19:35.295 yeah where I'm at is Jeff Agostinho. 01:19:35.315 --> 01:19:37.175 Would that be a good way for people to check 01:19:37.175 --> 01:19:39.245 you out and kind of see some of the hunts 01:19:39.245 --> 01:19:41.705 you're doing and see what you're up to? 01:19:41.795 --> 01:19:42.455 Oh yeah, definitely. 01:19:42.455 --> 01:19:43.415 People can check it out on there. 01:19:43.415 --> 01:19:45.095 I try and post as many pictures as I can. 01:19:45.095 --> 01:19:47.615 And just recap in the hunts or posting 01:19:47.615 --> 01:19:48.575 pictures of our hunts. 01:19:48.845 --> 01:19:50.255 Yeah, there's lots on there. 01:19:50.405 --> 01:19:52.075 And if guys have any questions like RMGA 01:19:52.265 --> 01:19:54.485 related or whatever related, just feel 01:19:54.485 --> 01:19:55.595 free to shoot me a message on there. 01:19:55.595 --> 01:19:57.365 I might not always be the fastest to respond, 01:19:57.365 --> 01:19:59.105 but I'll definitely get back to you and 01:19:59.105 --> 01:20:00.725 try and get you as many answers as possible. 01:20:01.325 --> 01:20:02.675 Oh, Jeff that's fantastic. 01:20:02.705 --> 01:20:03.205 Yeah. 01:20:03.215 --> 01:20:05.825 Thank you very much for being here on The 01:20:05.825 --> 01:20:06.785 Silvercore Podcast. 01:20:06.785 --> 01:20:08.195 I really appreciate you taking the time. 01:20:08.225 --> 01:20:10.325 Thanks for having me and having us come on to 01:20:10.325 --> 01:20:11.155 talk about Goat Alliance. 01:20:11.155 --> 01:20:17.035 I really appreciate that. 01:20:17.035 --> 01:20:23.264 I love it.