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Hello there,

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it's the chairman of the United States

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Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And our guest tonight is a writer,

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an illustrator, an animator,

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and the creator of Junket,

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Hidden Worlds Revealed,

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a series that blends classic comic

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storytelling, mythology, faith,

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adventure,

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and bold cartooning into something truly

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unique.

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Inspired by legends like Jack Kirby,

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Darwin Cook, and classic animation,

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his work has become a cult favorite in

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Florida comic shops and is now expanded

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into animation, short films, and beyond.

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He's the founder of Far Look Studios,

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and tonight we are diving in

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into what it really takes to build and

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sustain an indie comic universe from the

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ground up.

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The Council of Nerds is now in session.

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Welcome to the Council, Ray.

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How are you doing?

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I'm doing great, man.

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It's an absolute honor to be here.

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Appreciate you for letting me on.

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Hey, no problem, dude.

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You hit me up, I think,

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in January to make this happen.

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So here we are.

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We're going to make it happen, dude,

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and have some fun doing it.

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Let's dive into it, man.

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So for anyone meeting you for the first

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time, who is Ray Raynett,

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and what path led you into comics,

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illustration, and animation?

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Well, me personally, I've just,

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ever since I was a little kid,

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I've been fascinated by early,

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early animation,

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like the Fleischer Studios stuff,

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like the early Superman,

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Popeye and all that.

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And of course,

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like the Walt Disney cartoons always like

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helped inspire me and kind of bring that

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wild wonder, you know,

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into my brain and stuff.

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All those kinds of adventures and

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storytelling has really impacted me when I

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was growing up.

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And I just never stopped believing in that

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stuff.

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And I started drawing ever since I was

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a little kid.

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and used all those ideas into my drawings

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and trying to see how I could maybe

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make a little book together.

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But I'm just trying to go up against

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Marvel DC, make something brand new,

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and hopefully make something that stands

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the test of time.

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We all are.

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We all are.

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Every time I get to come on this

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show,

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indie creator on I feel like we're taking

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one less peg away from Marvel and DC

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dude nothing against them they've made

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some great stuff over the years but I

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really do think the indie comic scene as

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a whole is starting to take its hold

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on their spots so right on dude so

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we're comics always the goal or did

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animation illustration come first

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So I guess, yeah,

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illustration always really came first

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because before I ever produced like a

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proper comic,

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I was just stapling random copy paper

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together as a kid and just using Crayola

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or whatever I would find to, you know,

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make covers and whatever my buddies would

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tell me.

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And yeah, that kind of path of just,

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you know, always keeping that with me,

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you know,

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persist all the way through college.

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And I was finally able to make my,

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my own comic from the,

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from the ground up basically and a really

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story that i've been working on since

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middle school so all my buddies they

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always like just saw all the early uh

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terrible versions of rough craft you know

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and i just kept adding to it and

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just keep learning you know and finally i

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was able to self-publish junk it yeah man

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dude that's awesome so did you go to

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college to learn how to do animation in

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art or did you go for like accountant

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Well, no, no, I originally I'm, um,

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and I'm still, uh, in college actually.

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I'm about to graduate.

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Thank you, man.

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I originally started in, um,

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to the animation cause I was my passion.

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I always wanted to work for, for, um,

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you know,

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either a cartoon network or Pixar or

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something.

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Um, but sadly, you know, the, uh,

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the way the world kind of works, uh,

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the university ended up closing down and

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shutting its doors and,

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I was kind of left with, you know,

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a half written comic that I was going

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to present to the class and maybe turn

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that into a little cartoon and stuff.

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And I realized like, man,

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even if I don't have like that audience

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or even if I don't have people to

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show it to or anything,

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I got to just make this book just

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for me, you know,

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like just to prove that I'm able to

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follow through regardless, man.

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So, yeah, it was a turbulent ride, man.

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Oh, dude,

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I couldn't imagine being like almost to

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the finish line and then the school going,

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hey, guys, we got to close it down.

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That would just be absolutely

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heartbreaking.

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I know there's other really cool colleges

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like that spread throughout not only the

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U.S., but Italy as well.

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I know Sabe,

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who's an Italian comic book artist,

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he went to a college like that in

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Italy, which is really cool.

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Yeah, man.

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So what were those early influence that

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really made you say that this is what

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I'm going to do one way or the

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other?

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Was it like the Jack Kirby's and the

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Darwin cook and that kind of stuff?

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Or was it just,

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you saw pop out one day and was

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like, that's what I'm doing.

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Yeah, man.

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A hundred percent.

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Literally just early influences.

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My grandpa would burn like CDs back in

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the day or VHSs.

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And we would just,

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be watching whatever there was because you

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know we couldn't afford the cable tv or

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there was a hurricane we would just have

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like all these old cartoons that he filmed

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for me and just kind of

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rewatching all that.

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So those, those early, like Felix,

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the cat, like black and white, you know,

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stuff like that.

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Oh yeah.

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That stuff was just super cool.

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Cause to me,

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it would just look like anyone could draw

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that anyone could make it, you know,

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an image and sequence and make it come

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to life.

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And I started practicing that.

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I couldn't afford a Minecraft at the time

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or a video game.

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And I was like, man, you know what?

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I can't,

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I'll just draw it myself or I'd watch

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a trailer of a movie and stuff.

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And I was just like, man,

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I'll just draw the movie.

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How I imagined it, you know,

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as a kid.

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and that's really cool yeah man it's

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always been an influence like that but

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definitely jack kirby one of the greatest

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artists i think i've ever without a doubt

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absolutely i'm so glad like he's finally

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getting more recognition you know like in

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the movies he's getting like his little

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quotes up there and stuff but back then

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everyone just thought stan lee did

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everything bro oh no dude that's that's

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jack that's all jack kirby dude yeah i'm

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happy that people are starting to realize

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that now

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But look how long it took.

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Even like Wonder Man,

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like the most recent show,

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like even that was a Jack Kirby character

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design creation and all that.

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Just just a throwaway character.

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But.

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Here it is still being cranked out,

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and every last drop of his imagination is

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being squeezed by the machine, bro.

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Once they're done squeezing all the juice

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out of those lemons,

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they're going to move on to the next

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one, trust me.

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It will never stop.

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That is a billion-dollar industry,

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and it will keep juicing every lemon and

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lime they can.

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Exactly, bro.

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Honestly, that right there,

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just studying all the greats that came

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before me,

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like disney and jack kirby and stuff and

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steve ditko as well they always kind of

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that's a great one they always kind of

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had like a cautionary tale to them like

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their careers were these amazing things

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that is amazing imaginations but always

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the studio screwed them over some way

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somehow and to this day they're not making

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a single dime off all their creations you

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know and i think that's that's the

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difference right i'm trying to see how i

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could maybe start my own kind of thing

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uh not just in comics but in animation

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and video games and short films like just

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try to make a small multimedia company

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surrounded by stuff that i own you know

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because yeah as soon as they stole like

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walt disney's character he's left with

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nothing right he was basically he was

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broken and homeless at the time so he

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decided you know what let me let me

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draw a little mouse instead of a

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of a rabbit and then here we are

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today man this is crazy right and that

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mouse itself is a billion dollar empire

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who now owns the marvel properties and the

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star wars properties and so yeah it's

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amazing what that little mouse just bought

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and what he owns today i don't think

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in a million years he would have thought

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that

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that's where he was going to be,

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which is really cool to see.

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Even if you believe he's still, like,

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frozen in a chamber somewhere waiting for

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the cure for cancer.

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That's wild.

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Yeah.

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And, yeah, primarily the...

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The thing I wanted to really do was

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just because I'm so I'm kind of tired

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of seeing these characters.

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They've been they've been around for like

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eighty years.

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They've been here since like the Great

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Depression.

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I'm like, can we make something brand new?

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How can we.

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So how do you feel about certain IPs

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hitting the the for use, you know,

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stage like, you know, you just had a.

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Alright, they're like... Winnie the Pooh,

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yeah.

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The IP hit the streets and immediately

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we're making this into a horror movie.

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How do you feel about that?

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I mean,

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I think it's cool because it gives more

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power to the creators, right?

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And it's not just... Steamboat Willie,

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that's who I was thinking of.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, stuff like,

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I think it's like, yeah,

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the public domain,

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that's what it's called.

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Even Pai just hit public domain.

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Yo, you never know.

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He got a horror movie immediately.

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Like, it already happened.

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Like, literally,

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Pai Pai got a horror movie not that

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long ago because the moment he hit public

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domain again,

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instantly.

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Dude, they have them ready to go.

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There's somebody out there watching the

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public domain list to see what's coming

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next.

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They're cranking it out, man.

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I'm not even mad.

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Use the IP.

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Like I'm sure the creator himself would

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want the IP used.

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Right.

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Well, maybe not in that way.

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Right.

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Maybe a bit more.

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Yeah.

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But I think it's cool that people are

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finally able to use stuff from back then.

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Primarily like my point being like,

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batman and captain america and all these

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characters are like ancient like they're

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actually literally from the great

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depression from the golden age comics

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eighty years old plus and it's just like

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man we have such a a well of

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like imagination and fresh young artists

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that really want to make stuff and

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get their name out there but it's it's

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difficult because the modern industries

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don't really have a set design to kind

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of allow that fresh blood in right they

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don't have that kind of mentality and they

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very rarely do like casting calls or

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artist calls or writer calls i know top

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cow just did one for artist it actually

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might still be going but again at the

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same time

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It's once in a blue moon.

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And what I love about independent comics

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is exactly that.

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We can still get the fresh blood out

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there and they can still come in and

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make their own

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telling you dude well here here soon i'm

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going to put together like a thirty under

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thirty like espn does only i'm gonna do

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it for young talented comic book artists

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and writers coming up right now dude

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that's awesome and i probably know thirty

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of them to be fair yeah that's pretty

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good even if they're like thirty you know

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like you know that age between twenty two

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and thirty years old you know

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the twenty something era yeah and i'm

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pretty sure i probably know about twelve

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or fifteen of them you know i can

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probably find a few and i honestly i

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want to bring them all on the podcast

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and be like let's just talk about what

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it is for you which i think would

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be a good show to do invite you

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back invite uh you know raymond back from

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the another the other ray sorry

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And I've interviewed a lot of young cats

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here lately who are coming up in the

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industry, making their own comic books.

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It's been very inspirational for me as a

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forty something who spent twenty years of

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his life doing something else.

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And now he's now working in the comic

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book industry, kind of.

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But also I'm writing a story on the

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side.

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Well,

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a couple of stories on the side to

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be made into a comic book as well.

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So I get a lot of inspiration watching

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y'all and talking to y'all.

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I'm just like, dude, this is so cool.

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The future is so bright for the comic

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book

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industry if it's willing to invite the new

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blood in a hundred percent man i and

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first and foremost i'll be amazing to have

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like a secret wars gathering of all the

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young creators you know collab in one

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place i'll be really awesome um telling

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you dude i'm gonna put together a podcast

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episode and we're gonna do like a thirty

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for thirty for comet young up-and-coming

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comic book writers and artists and like i

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said i think i know enough people to

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do it yeah

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Heck yeah, man.

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And it's kind of a shame.

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You literally, you said it best.

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It was that the industry doesn't really

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kind of promote that kind of, you know,

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young, fresh ideas.

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And I remember learning about like,

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you know,

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a younger Todd McFarlane and how he

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literally,

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he would get-

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Yeah, man.

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But he would get physical rejection

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letters.

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I don't get that nowadays.

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Have you seen him post them?

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He'll post them too.

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If you go to look at his Instagram

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and stuff like that.

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Oh, yeah, dude.

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He'll post them, man.

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If I were to get a rejection letter,

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I would frame it as how proud I

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would be.

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The thing is that submission boxes

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nowadays,

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they don't even –

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respond back they don't even send emails

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or anything like it's really just kind of

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this uh this empty kind of void of

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the industry it's very busy business heavy

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now exactly like there's no like i think

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um i forgot who it was like todd

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had one from like some one of the

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bigger names in the industry and it was

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just like a handwritten letter saying

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you're not quite there yet kid keep it

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coming you see like stuff like that it

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was like i think it was john bernard

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or one of the other Canadian artists out

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in the local as well.

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And it's just- Matt, what's up, my dude?

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That's Matt Hasso.

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Dude,

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if you ever have a question about writing

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or art,

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Matt's got one of those superhuman comic

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book minds, man.

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He's really good.

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And see,

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you can call them young tax stick talent.

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Yeah, actually,

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if you're okay with me showing some of

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your stuff you sent.

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Go for it.

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Yeah.

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But Matt's one of those dudes, man.

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He's a smart guy,

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really good at what he does,

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story building and storytelling.

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Great to have you here, Matt.

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Yeah, bro.

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It's kind of wild to see.

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No, that was me, man.

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I sent you that email.

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But it was for something totally

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different.

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You need more context, bro.

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That's crazy.

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You don't need no more context.

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He knows what I'm talking about.

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That's literally what we do.

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We just give each other shit.

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It's fun that I have somebody that I

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can just be like,

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Like Matt, we just give each other shit.

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It's fun.

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It's friendly, Adam.

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A hundred percent.

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Yeah, man.

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I think it's kind of a shame that

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now the industry isn't really...

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designed to to let new people in right

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it feels like since they've become a

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monopoly and they literally own everything

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now it's it's even more difficult

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especially now with like netflix buying

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warner brothers like it's literally just

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disney and netflix going toe-to-toe uh

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absolutely wild to see that happen in

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modern day and all these uh small studios

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and small like things like pixar and and

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uh cartoon network they're kind of like

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becoming these small subsidiaries yeah

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yeah man it keeps giving me an error

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for some reason on some of the files

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so i wasn't able to bring all of

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them up that's all good uh yeah man

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i'm not working he's not soaking up the

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miami sun he's working on comic books yeah

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man hundred percent so these three guys

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right here or i guess four including the

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the little dog at the corner

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These are the dwellers of the garden,

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right?

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So junket is the main series and these

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guys are the inhabitants of this magical

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world.

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And I wanted it to feel like,

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you know,

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an interconnected universe and stuff like

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that.

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I wanted it to be a little bit

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of a kind of like a childlike adventure,

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you know,

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just putting all those things that

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influenced me,

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like all the Disney's and all the,

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the flasher studio cartoons and just kind

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of see how I could reinvent and make

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my own kind of, I don't know,

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my own version of what I would,

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want to adapt into a cartoon right so

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yeah man i think it's really cool yeah

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and what i'm going back to what you

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just said is it feels like something i

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would see on a saturday morning cartoon

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and that's what i loved about the stuff

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that you sent me over for junk it

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it just looks so fun like a saturday

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morning cartoon and um yeah man

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I mean,

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I've got other images on my website as

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well.

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But there's mostly the main, like,

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story truly revolves around a bearded

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character named Oscar, right?

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And he's going through his midlife crisis.

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He decides to quit his job for a

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life of action and adventure.

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And, you know, he decides, like, hey,

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enough's enough.

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I'm going to go into my own direction

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because –

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Why not, right?

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If I could fail at something I love,

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might as well take a risk on something

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I don't know, right?

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Take a gamble.

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So he goes into this enchanted forest,

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this old ancient world that he finds

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within the woods, basically.

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And he doesn't realize it's another world

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within the forest.

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And he's able to find this guy here,

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the groundskeeper, right?

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This blue character.

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And he's like this protector of the

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ancient world.

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He's supposed to make sure no one comes

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through.

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But there's all these evils and ancient

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beings of mythology that are coming back

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backwards through time,

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forwards through time in order to kind of

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resurrect.

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And neither of them have superpowers,

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but they're going up against the four

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horsemen of the apocalypse.

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Right.

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So I just wanted to have that kind

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of like, you know, story.

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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So is it okay if I bring up

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Farnlitt Studios to show?

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Yeah, dude, a hundred percent.

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Because the homepage has a lot of really

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good art on it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Here we go.

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Awesome stuff, man.

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Yeah,

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I've got a little bit of everything here.

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It's all an interconnected world,

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but it is primarily a...

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And it's this one right here, Jumpgate.

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Yes, sir.

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So here we get a glimpse of a

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little bit of everything.

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It's got some of the animation stuff as

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well.

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Huge age gap.

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Younger AIM Comics.

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Yeah, man.

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A hundred percent.

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I think, yeah, the,

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the dark and gritty stuff, uh, all the,

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the nineties comics have kind of like

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taken over.

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Yeah.

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And ever since then we've been at a

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stalemate.

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I remember literally the guy who made

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Watchmen, uh, Alan Moore, he was like,

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man, they all followed me to the dark.

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Maybe if I, if I do something bright,

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right.

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If I make something different,

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maybe they'll come follow me out of the

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light as well.

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But, uh,

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we just kind of stayed in that Frank

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Miller era.

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Right.

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Even now with absolute Batman,

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like it's all really just that great

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stuff.

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And like my stuff isn't super violent,

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right?

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There's still blood and this and that,

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but it's not as grotesque.

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Yeah, man.

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Our dude took himself an ass whipping

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right there.

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You can tell.

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Yeah, man.

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But I don't like doing like gory stuff

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like Invincible or anything like that.

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I just want my characters to feel like

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it's just, again, for all ages.

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It's a story that people can relate to.

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It's a story that anyone could just kind

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of grab an issue and kind of understand

00:21:23.202 --> 00:21:24.163
what's going on as well.

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And I try to write it from the

00:21:27.013 --> 00:21:28.654
perspective of an everyman, right?

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Because the character Oscar, right,

00:21:30.496 --> 00:21:33.018
the bearded character, he's literally,

00:21:33.057 --> 00:21:34.178
he's just an average guy.

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He's just a guy who's just going through

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the mundane routines of his job,

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and he's just, he's fed up with it.

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And it's kind of based on a true

00:21:41.762 --> 00:21:42.522
story a little bit.

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I'm not going through my midlife crisis or

00:21:44.183 --> 00:21:46.865
anything, but I used to work in insurance,

00:21:46.945 --> 00:21:48.027
and that kind of.

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Yeah, that's no different.

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No different.

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It wasn't for me, you know?

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Yeah, man.

00:21:53.916 --> 00:21:55.438
was really nothing for me so it just

00:21:55.557 --> 00:21:57.538
i i was like you know what i'll

00:21:57.578 --> 00:21:58.839
take a gamble i'll take a risk and

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make something creative and i think that's

00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:03.742
really where you know the the true

00:22:03.762 --> 00:22:05.303
fulfillment is you know going to

00:22:05.344 --> 00:22:07.044
conventions for even alan moore he

00:22:07.125 --> 00:22:09.205
recently left comics he's writing books

00:22:09.246 --> 00:22:11.027
he's writing novels and stuff like that i

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mean and they're still dark and gritty you

00:22:13.627 --> 00:22:16.210
know i'm a huge alan moore fan too

00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:18.510
so a little bit stuff that's me i

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i love his swamp thing one of the

00:22:20.971 --> 00:22:21.813
my favorite things ever

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So he did like a short series with

00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:26.820
like image comics.

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I think it's called, I think,

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nineteen sixty three or something like

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that.

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Or it's like it's based off like the

00:22:33.545 --> 00:22:35.546
Stan Lee Silver Age era stuff.

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And he literally parodied using the same

00:22:38.107 --> 00:22:39.249
words as Stan Lee would have used.

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And I just, I,

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I hate that they never really finished

00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:43.430
that series.

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Right.

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Cause it literally,

00:22:44.369 --> 00:22:46.730
it would have been the comics coming back

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to the silver age or to the kind

00:22:48.951 --> 00:22:50.211
of best, more popular.

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It was, it was geared for children too,

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before I don't remember where,

00:22:55.951 --> 00:22:58.112
when we went to the more,

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and there's still a lot of comic books

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out there for children.

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Like I know people,

00:23:03.333 --> 00:23:04.853
adults who just collect like the

00:23:04.893 --> 00:23:07.273
Scooby-Doo's the Scooby-Doo and Batman's

00:23:07.973 --> 00:23:08.473
yeah.

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Powerpuff Girls are out there.

00:23:13.432 --> 00:23:15.372
I'm still a huge fan of Archie.

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Mainly Archie Horror.

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The dude that does the Archie Horror stuff

00:23:21.012 --> 00:23:21.972
is so good.

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And then there's so many.

00:23:25.114 --> 00:23:26.054
Sonic the Hedgehog.

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I know a guy who just collects Sonic

00:23:28.074 --> 00:23:28.974
the Hedgehog comics.

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That's all he collects.

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So it's kind of wild.

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Yeah, but whenever I go to like...

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Behave yourself out there, Matt.

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You can't just dress up like Wolverine all

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the time and be running around town.

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He's a big cosplayer, too.

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He also writes a really mean comic book.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, man.

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Whenever I go to conventions and stuff,

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I literally I sift through all the old

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stuff.

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And I just if I see like Mighty

00:23:58.512 --> 00:24:00.192
Mouse or like whatever, you know,

00:24:00.212 --> 00:24:02.834
like all the Yogi Bears or stuff.

00:24:03.413 --> 00:24:04.834
I love seeing all that stuff like the

00:24:04.874 --> 00:24:05.974
Tom and Jerry's and all that.

00:24:05.994 --> 00:24:08.234
I got a couple of the Tom and

00:24:08.255 --> 00:24:08.775
Jerry's.

00:24:10.655 --> 00:24:11.935
Got a couple of the...

00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.619
a big fan of the old school horror

00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:20.080
stuff from like ec comics and stuff like

00:24:20.101 --> 00:24:21.682
that even the older marvel stuff where

00:24:21.701 --> 00:24:24.563
they would do the little like weird horror

00:24:24.583 --> 00:24:26.962
comic books you know yeah man and i

00:24:26.982 --> 00:24:29.624
love finding those and they're really hard

00:24:29.663 --> 00:24:31.244
to find but when you do find them

00:24:32.045 --> 00:24:33.925
they're just so fun they're usually beat

00:24:33.945 --> 00:24:36.207
the you could tell somebody's read them

00:24:36.247 --> 00:24:36.846
and loved them

00:24:37.461 --> 00:24:37.882
Yeah, man.

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But they're still fun to find and pick

00:24:39.763 --> 00:24:42.208
up and read because the stories are just

00:24:42.268 --> 00:24:42.728
so fun.

00:24:43.829 --> 00:24:44.730
They're not violent.

00:24:44.810 --> 00:24:48.236
It's just telling you a dark horror story.

00:24:48.316 --> 00:24:49.577
There's not very little blood.

00:24:49.637 --> 00:24:51.200
It's just they're fun reads.

00:24:51.661 --> 00:24:52.201
Exactly.

00:24:52.809 --> 00:24:54.151
Yeah, it's just wholesome entertainment,

00:24:54.171 --> 00:24:54.451
you know,

00:24:55.031 --> 00:24:57.154
and I love stuff like Will Eisner as

00:24:57.194 --> 00:24:57.434
well.

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I've been recently like going back and

00:24:59.477 --> 00:25:01.839
kind of studying his his spirit comics

00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:04.061
because they're coming out with the

00:25:04.201 --> 00:25:06.464
beautiful Darwin Cook collection that he

00:25:06.505 --> 00:25:08.406
did in homage to Eisner.

00:25:08.946 --> 00:25:10.449
And I just wanted to kind of see

00:25:10.528 --> 00:25:12.330
where where his inspirations came from and

00:25:12.351 --> 00:25:12.711
everything.

00:25:13.011 --> 00:25:14.733
And why is it called the Eisner Awards

00:25:14.773 --> 00:25:15.054
and stuff?

00:25:15.515 --> 00:25:17.655
And I was blown away as soon as

00:25:17.675 --> 00:25:18.316
I picked it up.

00:25:18.355 --> 00:25:19.355
Yeah, well, it's called The Eisners,

00:25:19.395 --> 00:25:19.536
right?

00:25:19.756 --> 00:25:21.336
Yeah, man, it's amazing.

00:25:21.557 --> 00:25:23.097
Like the collection I have,

00:25:23.137 --> 00:25:25.557
it was just these little nine-page stories

00:25:25.577 --> 00:25:26.699
that were all compiled.

00:25:27.078 --> 00:25:28.719
But every single page,

00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.960
it would just invite me into this entire

00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:32.701
world that was texture.

00:25:32.721 --> 00:25:34.441
And it would be like character studies of

00:25:34.921 --> 00:25:36.662
random characters and people within that

00:25:36.701 --> 00:25:37.001
world.

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And it would just really be the

00:25:38.563 --> 00:25:40.803
psychological kind of heartfelt story.

00:25:41.423 --> 00:25:42.644
And I'm pretty sure at the top of

00:25:42.703 --> 00:25:42.763
it,

00:25:43.248 --> 00:25:44.690
was like wholesome entertainment,

00:25:44.710 --> 00:25:46.732
or I think it was like mystery comics

00:25:46.752 --> 00:25:47.034
or whatever.

00:25:47.433 --> 00:25:49.076
And just thinking about it in that sense

00:25:49.096 --> 00:25:49.416
of like,

00:25:50.398 --> 00:25:53.002
this could be what we do today.

00:25:53.083 --> 00:25:54.365
Like, why did we ever lose

00:25:54.807 --> 00:25:56.987
anthologies why did we lose the the

00:25:57.028 --> 00:25:59.288
detective comics the action comics because

00:25:59.307 --> 00:26:01.107
those made superman and batman why did we

00:26:01.147 --> 00:26:02.729
lose that format throughout the years

00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:04.729
right instead of just making the same

00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:08.250
natural evolution really and and i like

00:26:08.289 --> 00:26:11.230
you i love like the old school like

00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:14.030
entertaining comic horror anthologies

00:26:14.050 --> 00:26:15.692
they're so fun and i'm so happy that

00:26:15.852 --> 00:26:17.872
ac comics and ani press are so

00:26:17.912 --> 00:26:19.613
still making those like catacombs of

00:26:19.653 --> 00:26:21.453
torment and that kind of stuff because

00:26:21.473 --> 00:26:24.194
they're just fun anthologies like even

00:26:24.275 --> 00:26:27.576
boom studios with uh hello darkness and

00:26:27.616 --> 00:26:31.159
you know um rl stein as his book

00:26:31.239 --> 00:26:33.839
and he invites other horror writers and

00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.181
stuff like that and they're fun stories

00:26:36.221 --> 00:26:38.122
with lessons being learned in the stories

00:26:38.162 --> 00:26:39.522
like oh you're being murdered because of

00:26:39.542 --> 00:26:41.183
this reason right like

00:26:43.657 --> 00:26:45.739
yay you learned a lesson on your deathbed

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:50.181
yeah i think people kind of um

00:26:50.601 --> 00:26:52.781
underestimate the the kind of like power

00:26:52.821 --> 00:26:54.982
that comics do have like as an as

00:26:55.022 --> 00:26:57.163
an art form right like eisner literally

00:26:57.183 --> 00:26:58.824
said it's an art form it's an entire

00:26:59.065 --> 00:27:01.125
it's the best kind of way uh for

00:27:01.144 --> 00:27:02.405
a story to be told and it's kind

00:27:02.445 --> 00:27:05.426
of true because we use both words and

00:27:05.507 --> 00:27:07.387
imagery combined into one it's literally

00:27:07.788 --> 00:27:09.929
I think it's more powerful than a movie

00:27:09.969 --> 00:27:12.329
at times even because it literally is what

00:27:12.349 --> 00:27:14.250
the movies are drawing inspiration from.

00:27:14.871 --> 00:27:18.892
And people seem to... Yeah, go ahead.

00:27:18.912 --> 00:27:19.633
No, I was going to say,

00:27:19.772 --> 00:27:21.753
I wish they were drawing inspiration from

00:27:21.814 --> 00:27:24.035
the comics because half the time they take

00:27:25.115 --> 00:27:27.316
two runs of a comic book and then

00:27:27.336 --> 00:27:28.036
they're like, hey,

00:27:28.076 --> 00:27:29.416
I like this part of this story.

00:27:29.436 --> 00:27:30.696
I like this part of that story.

00:27:30.717 --> 00:27:31.938
I like this part of that story.

00:27:31.978 --> 00:27:33.597
And then they cram it into a movie

00:27:33.698 --> 00:27:34.239
and it's like...

00:27:35.623 --> 00:27:36.843
the hell were y'all trying to do?

00:27:36.903 --> 00:27:38.403
You could have just told that one story

00:27:38.443 --> 00:27:39.585
and it was perfect.

00:27:39.605 --> 00:27:40.424
It was perfect.

00:27:40.765 --> 00:27:42.365
You didn't need to do nothing.

00:27:43.385 --> 00:27:44.686
It was perfection.

00:27:44.727 --> 00:27:46.086
Do you know who wrote that?

00:27:46.186 --> 00:27:48.647
Jack Kirby wrote that story.

00:27:49.268 --> 00:27:51.028
You did not have to do that.

00:27:51.669 --> 00:27:53.609
Just tell the comic book story.

00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.131
That's been my biggest complaint about the

00:27:56.211 --> 00:27:58.031
Marvel movies since they started making

00:27:58.112 --> 00:27:59.813
Marvel movies.

00:27:59.833 --> 00:28:01.492
I'm glad they started with Blade because I

00:28:01.532 --> 00:28:02.733
think Blade was probably...

00:28:04.766 --> 00:28:06.426
That's a classic.

00:28:06.446 --> 00:28:07.086
Oh, exactly.

00:28:07.147 --> 00:28:09.068
And I'm just such a huge fan of

00:28:09.169 --> 00:28:11.970
the Blade character, even when they...

00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:14.811
Unfortunately, Nicolas Cage is, you know,

00:28:14.852 --> 00:28:15.491
Ghost Rider.

00:28:17.792 --> 00:28:20.214
I love the character Ghost Rider, okay?

00:28:20.234 --> 00:28:22.675
I absolutely... I love Midnight Suns.

00:28:23.316 --> 00:28:24.317
I love those darker,

00:28:24.356 --> 00:28:26.278
grittier characters like that.

00:28:26.377 --> 00:28:27.519
They're magic.

00:28:27.598 --> 00:28:27.739
They're...

00:28:28.834 --> 00:28:32.835
They're demons and they're not of this

00:28:32.914 --> 00:28:33.134
world.

00:28:33.174 --> 00:28:33.434
Those are,

00:28:33.555 --> 00:28:35.076
they've always been some of my favorite

00:28:35.096 --> 00:28:35.675
characters.

00:28:36.296 --> 00:28:39.257
And I'm like, don't mess up those stories.

00:28:39.576 --> 00:28:39.916
You know,

00:28:40.857 --> 00:28:42.698
hopefully someday we'll get like a Justice

00:28:42.738 --> 00:28:44.939
League Dark led by Wonder Woman.

00:28:45.898 --> 00:28:49.260
we'll have zatanna and you know we'll have

00:28:49.300 --> 00:28:52.041
john constantine in there not keanu reeves

00:28:52.061 --> 00:28:53.423
because that's like something totally

00:28:53.462 --> 00:28:58.586
different but john constantine story you

00:28:58.605 --> 00:29:01.788
know what i'm saying like the tv series

00:29:01.807 --> 00:29:05.430
was brilliant it was amazing the can't

00:29:05.450 --> 00:29:06.710
remember the guy's name who was playing

00:29:06.789 --> 00:29:07.750
constantine but

00:29:08.922 --> 00:29:09.742
It was amazing.

00:29:10.505 --> 00:29:11.105
It was perfect.

00:29:11.165 --> 00:29:12.188
It was following the comic,

00:29:12.208 --> 00:29:13.630
but similar to what they did with the

00:29:13.690 --> 00:29:15.753
Sandman recently with Gaiman,

00:29:16.213 --> 00:29:17.395
even though a lot of you say what

00:29:17.436 --> 00:29:18.397
you want about Gaiman.

00:29:19.563 --> 00:29:21.144
He's probably not the best human being in

00:29:21.183 --> 00:29:21.564
the world,

00:29:22.104 --> 00:29:23.825
but the dude as a comic book writer

00:29:23.865 --> 00:29:25.484
was fucking brilliant.

00:29:26.085 --> 00:29:27.086
Pardon my language there,

00:29:27.145 --> 00:29:28.685
but the dude is a brilliant comic book

00:29:28.726 --> 00:29:29.047
writer.

00:29:29.846 --> 00:29:30.307
But again,

00:29:30.787 --> 00:29:32.307
not the best human being in the world.

00:29:33.147 --> 00:29:34.308
Yeah, who knows, right?

00:29:34.328 --> 00:29:37.309
The Sandman is a beautifully written

00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:38.190
story.

00:29:38.750 --> 00:29:40.431
It works on every single level,

00:29:40.490 --> 00:29:42.751
the character depth, the characters.

00:29:44.132 --> 00:29:46.093
It just works, right?

00:29:48.324 --> 00:29:50.285
And the story they told on Netflix where

00:29:50.325 --> 00:29:52.345
you could literally watch season one,

00:29:53.246 --> 00:29:55.307
open up Sandman issue one,

00:29:55.767 --> 00:29:59.509
and follow the comic book almost word for

00:29:59.568 --> 00:30:02.130
word was amazing.

00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:03.851
That was a great adaptation,

00:30:03.871 --> 00:30:04.411
a hundred percent.

00:30:05.644 --> 00:30:07.265
And I think that's right there, man.

00:30:07.305 --> 00:30:08.685
He's he's another guy,

00:30:08.865 --> 00:30:11.546
another young cat making a universe.

00:30:12.246 --> 00:30:13.027
And I'm telling you what,

00:30:13.067 --> 00:30:13.886
when I told you earlier,

00:30:13.987 --> 00:30:15.987
I probably knew about thirty guys under

00:30:16.047 --> 00:30:18.728
thirty that I could have a thirty for

00:30:18.768 --> 00:30:20.008
thirty for comic books,

00:30:20.127 --> 00:30:21.268
any comic book writing.

00:30:21.387 --> 00:30:22.307
He's one of them, dude,

00:30:22.327 --> 00:30:24.148
because he's another really good one.

00:30:24.929 --> 00:30:27.809
You know, man, since fifteen comments,

00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:30.369
Nathan does the idol verse,

00:30:31.049 --> 00:30:32.971
really good stuff coming from those guys.

00:30:33.611 --> 00:30:34.671
I'm just like, man,

00:30:35.522 --> 00:30:37.763
the amount of young blood in the indie

00:30:37.784 --> 00:30:41.505
comic scene right now is amazing, dude.

00:30:41.545 --> 00:30:42.825
And I'm so happy I got to meet

00:30:42.865 --> 00:30:45.365
you tonight and talk to you tonight about

00:30:45.425 --> 00:30:48.446
that because the future is bright, dude.

00:30:48.567 --> 00:30:49.207
Even Ray,

00:30:49.227 --> 00:30:51.126
I don't want to leave out Ray because

00:30:51.186 --> 00:30:53.887
Ray is like a phenomenal writer.

00:30:54.508 --> 00:30:55.288
The other Ray too.

00:30:55.308 --> 00:30:56.848
The other Ray.

00:30:56.868 --> 00:30:58.288
The other Ray.

00:30:58.308 --> 00:31:01.670
Yeah.

00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:02.651
I'm looking at February,

00:31:02.671 --> 00:31:03.830
so let me go to January.

00:31:06.695 --> 00:31:11.078
Ray McKay, about to graduate college.

00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.301
He did Last Gen.

00:31:14.422 --> 00:31:16.163
He's working for Grok Comics right now,

00:31:16.202 --> 00:31:17.884
and he's writing for a few other places

00:31:17.943 --> 00:31:18.345
as well.

00:31:19.405 --> 00:31:20.487
Twenty-two years old,

00:31:21.366 --> 00:31:23.308
just a brilliant writer as well.

00:31:24.718 --> 00:31:26.980
But, yeah, dude, future is bright, man.

00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:28.480
I absolutely love it.

00:31:28.781 --> 00:31:30.442
But let's dive a little bit more into

00:31:31.104 --> 00:31:31.584
Junket.

00:31:31.604 --> 00:31:33.786
When you were building this world,

00:31:34.386 --> 00:31:35.968
what kind of story were you wanting to

00:31:36.087 --> 00:31:38.651
tell when you first created this?

00:31:39.590 --> 00:31:39.872
Right.

00:31:39.932 --> 00:31:42.413
So originally, you know,

00:31:42.433 --> 00:31:44.135
it was based off of that kind of

00:31:44.135 --> 00:31:46.016
–

00:31:45.297 --> 00:31:46.998
just kind of, you know,

00:31:47.018 --> 00:31:48.699
naive storytelling of just wanting to,

00:31:48.838 --> 00:31:49.118
you know,

00:31:49.439 --> 00:31:51.339
all my buddies together going on a random

00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.260
adventure and then evolve from there,

00:31:53.280 --> 00:31:53.461
right.

00:31:53.540 --> 00:31:54.501
All the way from middle school,

00:31:54.602 --> 00:31:56.301
all the way to, to now, right.

00:31:56.342 --> 00:31:57.823
In my, in my young adulthood.

00:31:58.242 --> 00:32:01.704
And it's become a lot more, I guess,

00:32:02.826 --> 00:32:05.446
more about symbolism and mythology, right.

00:32:05.487 --> 00:32:06.968
It's more about how to,

00:32:07.087 --> 00:32:07.827
how to convey it.

00:32:07.847 --> 00:32:09.909
Just a good story that people want to

00:32:09.969 --> 00:32:12.549
reread or want to rewatch or whatever it

00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:12.931
may be.

00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:13.451
I think that,

00:32:14.630 --> 00:32:16.330
um people have kind of lost that right

00:32:16.471 --> 00:32:18.574
uh i want to be able to make

00:32:18.614 --> 00:32:21.897
something that is i can enjoy endlessly

00:32:22.157 --> 00:32:24.141
and i think that that's kind of the

00:32:24.161 --> 00:32:25.422
whole point of it right because i don't

00:32:25.442 --> 00:32:27.384
want to see another uh three hundred

00:32:27.423 --> 00:32:29.666
thousand uh spawn comics if i'm not gonna

00:32:29.686 --> 00:32:31.269
get any value from it like i love

00:32:31.288 --> 00:32:31.930
it don't get me wrong

00:32:33.523 --> 00:32:34.265
Yeah, I feel you there.

00:32:35.065 --> 00:32:36.185
And I'm a huge Spawn guy.

00:32:36.306 --> 00:32:37.046
I love Spawn.

00:32:37.205 --> 00:32:38.787
It's one of my favorite comics to read.

00:32:39.407 --> 00:32:40.688
It does get repetitive.

00:32:41.068 --> 00:32:43.630
And I'm glad that Todd will go,

00:32:44.550 --> 00:32:46.011
all right, this artist is in.

00:32:47.320 --> 00:32:50.143
this artist and writer is doing this arc.

00:32:50.442 --> 00:32:51.044
Exactly.

00:32:51.064 --> 00:32:51.604
We get to the next arc.

00:32:51.624 --> 00:32:53.005
We're going to switch it up.

00:32:53.025 --> 00:32:54.266
We're going to have another artist and

00:32:54.306 --> 00:32:56.428
another writer do the next arc.

00:32:56.807 --> 00:32:58.388
And every now and then Todd will step

00:32:58.528 --> 00:32:59.049
in and go,

00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:02.211
I'm going to write two books to get

00:33:02.251 --> 00:33:03.633
us to this arc.

00:33:03.712 --> 00:33:04.193
Exactly.

00:33:04.753 --> 00:33:06.855
But I feel like that is me personally.

00:33:06.875 --> 00:33:08.537
I don't in modern comics,

00:33:08.576 --> 00:33:09.637
like there's some great writers.

00:33:09.657 --> 00:33:10.198
Don't get me wrong.

00:33:10.238 --> 00:33:12.420
Like people like Chip Zdarsky,

00:33:12.967 --> 00:33:13.548
you know,

00:33:13.607 --> 00:33:16.111
artists like George Jimenez and Sean

00:33:16.491 --> 00:33:18.153
Gordon Murphy, amazing stuff, right.

00:33:18.173 --> 00:33:20.195
Happening in modern comics, but it's just,

00:33:20.757 --> 00:33:22.058
we're kind of missing that,

00:33:22.558 --> 00:33:24.721
that childlike wonder that kind of like

00:33:24.741 --> 00:33:27.144
just wholesome or just like hopeful or

00:33:27.204 --> 00:33:28.307
magical kind of thing.

00:33:28.326 --> 00:33:28.487
Like,

00:33:29.034 --> 00:33:30.095
Whenever I read, like,

00:33:30.134 --> 00:33:31.236
the Jack Kirby's Thor,

00:33:31.615 --> 00:33:32.876
it was literally transforming.

00:33:32.896 --> 00:33:34.939
It was going into a whole different world.

00:33:35.118 --> 00:33:36.820
All the tales of Asgard and all that

00:33:36.840 --> 00:33:37.060
stuff.

00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:37.641
Oh, yeah.

00:33:37.661 --> 00:33:39.343
It just was myth-making.

00:33:39.383 --> 00:33:40.624
And I thought, man,

00:33:41.124 --> 00:33:42.826
I remember Stan Lee saying that, you know,

00:33:43.266 --> 00:33:45.367
superheroes are like the modern-day

00:33:45.647 --> 00:33:46.709
Olympian gods, right?

00:33:46.729 --> 00:33:48.589
And that's really kind of how it is.

00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:50.451
Oh, a hundred percent.

00:33:50.471 --> 00:33:50.592
Yeah.

00:33:50.612 --> 00:33:50.791
I mean,

00:33:50.852 --> 00:33:52.634
Jack Kirby just got a road named after

00:33:52.653 --> 00:33:53.453
him in New York City,

00:33:53.493 --> 00:33:55.796
which is so cool.

00:33:55.816 --> 00:33:56.356
Finally.

00:33:56.836 --> 00:33:57.538
It only took...

00:33:58.766 --> 00:34:00.906
Fifty freaking years to recognize this

00:34:00.926 --> 00:34:02.087
dude's greatness.

00:34:02.807 --> 00:34:03.307
Exactly.

00:34:03.367 --> 00:34:05.009
And it's really cool.

00:34:05.368 --> 00:34:07.049
Honestly, the next time I'm in New York,

00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:08.371
I got to go get a picture with

00:34:08.431 --> 00:34:08.550
it.

00:34:08.590 --> 00:34:09.751
So that's going to be really cool.

00:34:10.052 --> 00:34:10.371
Yeah, man.

00:34:10.391 --> 00:34:11.112
I don't even know that.

00:34:11.132 --> 00:34:12.393
That's pretty cool.

00:34:12.713 --> 00:34:13.793
It might have just been for the movie,

00:34:13.813 --> 00:34:13.954
though.

00:34:13.994 --> 00:34:14.853
I have to double check,

00:34:14.893 --> 00:34:16.054
but I'm pretty sure he got his own

00:34:16.114 --> 00:34:19.916
street finally, which, you know, again,

00:34:20.436 --> 00:34:22.577
you can name every street Jack Kirby way

00:34:23.057 --> 00:34:23.599
in New York,

00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:24.619
and I would be cool with it.

00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:26.900
Right.

00:34:27.161 --> 00:34:27.521
Or whatever.

00:34:27.541 --> 00:34:27.840
Yeah, man.

00:34:28.396 --> 00:34:30.617
I think it's just kind of – it's

00:34:30.657 --> 00:34:33.318
a shame that modern storytelling doesn't

00:34:33.358 --> 00:34:36.240
really – it keeps homaging itself.

00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.262
It keeps doing throwbacks to its own

00:34:38.302 --> 00:34:40.063
continuity, and it's just too much.

00:34:40.403 --> 00:34:42.005
For an outside reader,

00:34:42.025 --> 00:34:42.945
they don't know where to start.

00:34:43.184 --> 00:34:43.766
They don't know, oh,

00:34:43.786 --> 00:34:44.706
do I have to watch the movie?

00:34:44.766 --> 00:34:45.887
Oh, but the book's not the same,

00:34:45.927 --> 00:34:47.547
and I wanted to make something – Yeah,

00:34:47.568 --> 00:34:49.028
that's what's wild, isn't it?

00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:50.570
Exactly.

00:34:50.710 --> 00:34:53.211
The comic book doesn't – or the movie

00:34:53.251 --> 00:34:54.632
doesn't match the comic book.

00:34:54.913 --> 00:34:56.813
The story told in the comic –

00:34:57.014 --> 00:34:58.054
is it going to match what's in the

00:34:58.074 --> 00:35:00.878
movie it's the wildest ever don't call the

00:35:00.898 --> 00:35:02.960
movie by that comic book's name if it's

00:35:03.021 --> 00:35:05.903
not going to be about that comic book

00:35:05.963 --> 00:35:08.507
exactly and i just i wanted to personally

00:35:08.626 --> 00:35:10.650
make something that was more like cohesive

00:35:10.710 --> 00:35:10.849
right

00:35:11.393 --> 00:35:13.735
And I wanted to bring value to the

00:35:13.775 --> 00:35:15.255
reader in any way that I could.

00:35:15.817 --> 00:35:17.637
And the stories that impacted me,

00:35:17.938 --> 00:35:18.257
you know,

00:35:18.458 --> 00:35:20.139
and even now I wasn't able to read

00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:20.880
them when I was younger,

00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.440
but stuff like Dante's Inferno,

00:35:23.802 --> 00:35:25.902
stuff like the Odyssey, the Iliad,

00:35:26.782 --> 00:35:27.483
you know,

00:35:27.503 --> 00:35:28.704
writers like- You didn't have to read

00:35:28.724 --> 00:35:29.105
those in school?

00:35:29.972 --> 00:35:30.472
No, I didn't.

00:35:30.771 --> 00:35:31.972
I completely had, you know,

00:35:32.112 --> 00:35:33.512
public school and they did never.

00:35:33.552 --> 00:35:34.673
I went to public school and I still

00:35:34.693 --> 00:35:35.313
had to read those.

00:35:35.373 --> 00:35:36.474
Hey man,

00:35:36.554 --> 00:35:38.414
I think I had to read like whatever,

00:35:38.434 --> 00:35:39.835
you know, they had on their agenda,

00:35:40.155 --> 00:35:41.815
but I'm so grateful.

00:35:41.835 --> 00:35:43.336
I was able to have that interest in

00:35:43.376 --> 00:35:45.498
poetry and old literature because I was,

00:35:46.586 --> 00:35:47.847
able to see like man this is an

00:35:47.967 --> 00:35:50.710
actual three-dimensional character just in

00:35:50.789 --> 00:35:54.172
words and their story isn't just like oh

00:35:54.213 --> 00:35:55.414
you know and he went to hell and

00:35:55.474 --> 00:35:57.135
he and whatever and then he went to

00:35:57.416 --> 00:35:59.838
purgatory it's not about the the physical

00:35:59.878 --> 00:36:02.338
things it's like the psychological journey

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.440
that the character goes on and that you

00:36:04.501 --> 00:36:06.402
as an individual are able to learn from

00:36:06.922 --> 00:36:09.166
His painting is so much in detail.

00:36:09.186 --> 00:36:10.068
He didn't just go to hell.

00:36:10.088 --> 00:36:11.612
He went to seven stages of it.

00:36:11.751 --> 00:36:12.472
Exactly.

00:36:12.492 --> 00:36:13.255
Yeah, let's get it right.

00:36:13.295 --> 00:36:14.317
If we're going to talk about it,

00:36:14.336 --> 00:36:17.222
it was seven stages there and none of

00:36:17.262 --> 00:36:17.842
it was good.

00:36:18.652 --> 00:36:19.291
Yeah, man.

00:36:19.311 --> 00:36:21.094
But people don't seem to imagine that,

00:36:21.153 --> 00:36:21.514
though,

00:36:21.773 --> 00:36:24.496
the way he painted those seven stages and

00:36:24.516 --> 00:36:26.597
the way he described those seven stages

00:36:27.117 --> 00:36:29.079
and then having to actually go through

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.541
that is wild to think about.

00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:34.481
The fact that that stuff is still true

00:36:34.521 --> 00:36:35.463
to this day as well,

00:36:35.483 --> 00:36:37.684
because it's not he wasn't just writing

00:36:37.724 --> 00:36:40.166
about his own personal life.

00:36:40.186 --> 00:36:42.226
He was writing about the things that were

00:36:42.246 --> 00:36:44.148
happening to the people around him and to

00:36:44.528 --> 00:36:47.329
the state itself and to the society he

00:36:47.371 --> 00:36:47.931
was building in.

00:36:48.777 --> 00:36:51.338
And I think that that's kind of important,

00:36:51.398 --> 00:36:51.559
right,

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.800
to integrate those kinds of narratives and

00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.360
to integrate like something that we can

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.722
learn from as writers and as readers,

00:36:57.842 --> 00:37:00.143
you know, as we're going through it.

00:37:00.164 --> 00:37:01.144
So that's Nathan.

00:37:01.164 --> 00:37:01.664
He's asking,

00:37:01.724 --> 00:37:04.086
what are the aspirations for your comic

00:37:04.106 --> 00:37:05.367
book and where do you want to take

00:37:05.427 --> 00:37:05.527
it?

00:37:05.907 --> 00:37:06.407
Which is cool,

00:37:06.427 --> 00:37:07.809
because that's actually one of those

00:37:07.849 --> 00:37:09.210
questions I had coming up here soon.

00:37:09.230 --> 00:37:10.351
And we can go ahead and answer it,

00:37:10.391 --> 00:37:10.570
though.

00:37:11.347 --> 00:37:11.768
So, I mean,

00:37:11.827 --> 00:37:12.889
I'm trying to make something that

00:37:13.068 --> 00:37:16.192
literally outlives me and outlives the

00:37:16.231 --> 00:37:16.952
people around me.

00:37:16.992 --> 00:37:19.134
I want to make something that just sticks

00:37:19.213 --> 00:37:19.574
to, you know,

00:37:20.134 --> 00:37:21.896
goes against the test of time and really

00:37:22.135 --> 00:37:25.217
just impacts and inspires young people,

00:37:25.338 --> 00:37:27.099
old people, anyone from any age.

00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:29.800
I'm turning it into a small little

00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.003
animated series and I'm literally learning

00:37:32.302 --> 00:37:33.503
to animate it myself.

00:37:33.963 --> 00:37:35.706
I have a couple of programmer buddies are

00:37:35.746 --> 00:37:37.467
helping me turn it into a little video

00:37:37.507 --> 00:37:38.628
game adaptation as well.

00:37:39.268 --> 00:37:40.989
And I'm getting the, you know,

00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:42.630
the products and things together to

00:37:42.851 --> 00:37:44.873
actually do a short film where I have

00:37:44.893 --> 00:37:46.574
to like build the costumes and everything

00:37:46.614 --> 00:37:47.554
and choose the place.

00:37:47.574 --> 00:37:48.695
Yeah, man.

00:37:48.715 --> 00:37:49.817
So it's, it's very,

00:37:50.876 --> 00:37:52.237
it's terrifying a little bit, right.

00:37:52.277 --> 00:37:53.818
To kind of like put myself out there

00:37:53.858 --> 00:37:55.260
and really try this stuff, you know,

00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:56.481
go to the podcast,

00:37:56.501 --> 00:37:57.541
go to the conventions and.

00:37:58.235 --> 00:38:00.255
wherever I have to drive two hours to

00:38:00.335 --> 00:38:02.277
Fort Myers or wherever I need to go.

00:38:02.657 --> 00:38:05.079
It's just really just putting myself in

00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.179
places that I don't feel comfortable in

00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:09.061
order to just learn and grow as much

00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:10.422
as humanly possible.

00:38:11.164 --> 00:38:13.364
And I think that the story that I

00:38:13.385 --> 00:38:15.045
want to tell is that,

00:38:15.126 --> 00:38:17.108
is like how you can overcome your fears

00:38:17.128 --> 00:38:18.949
and how you could literally become more

00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:20.550
than what the world tells you you are,

00:38:20.909 --> 00:38:21.070
right?

00:38:21.110 --> 00:38:22.510
I want to help inspire people.

00:38:23.030 --> 00:38:23.472
Right now,

00:38:23.851 --> 00:38:26.452
the short comic strips that you had shown

00:38:26.492 --> 00:38:27.134
previously, right,

00:38:27.173 --> 00:38:28.094
with the three characters,

00:38:29.385 --> 00:38:29.786
Thankfully,

00:38:29.806 --> 00:38:32.608
it's a comic company called A Kid and

00:38:32.628 --> 00:38:33.048
a Comic.

00:38:33.108 --> 00:38:36.811
They're serializing it in like an actual

00:38:36.871 --> 00:38:38.373
physical newspaper magazine.

00:38:38.914 --> 00:38:40.054
And they're sending it out to like

00:38:40.476 --> 00:38:42.036
children's hospitals and churches and

00:38:42.056 --> 00:38:43.318
stuff like that.

00:38:43.338 --> 00:38:44.338
That's so wholesome, right?

00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.780
Let's pause right there before you go any

00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:47.161
further.

00:38:47.481 --> 00:38:49.523
That's actually a question I had for you

00:38:49.623 --> 00:38:50.785
is –

00:38:51.476 --> 00:38:53.237
Do readers ever surprise you with how

00:38:53.376 --> 00:38:55.498
deeply they are connected with this story?

00:38:55.538 --> 00:38:56.998
And from what you're telling me there,

00:38:57.898 --> 00:38:59.760
that is so freaking cool that they're

00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:01.260
doing that with your story.

00:39:01.900 --> 00:39:02.800
It's beautiful, man.

00:39:03.181 --> 00:39:05.422
And even just meeting young artists and

00:39:05.782 --> 00:39:08.302
people who are aspiring to be artists at

00:39:08.342 --> 00:39:08.943
conventions.

00:39:09.364 --> 00:39:09.543
Literally,

00:39:09.583 --> 00:39:11.125
it could be a little five-year-old and

00:39:11.144 --> 00:39:12.085
their parents are like, oh, look.

00:39:12.681 --> 00:39:13.481
He knows what you could do,

00:39:13.561 --> 00:39:14.663
and you could be like him.

00:39:14.722 --> 00:39:17.106
And just that alone is, like, beautiful.

00:39:17.346 --> 00:39:17.666
Or, like,

00:39:17.686 --> 00:39:19.088
the kids just flipping through the books,

00:39:19.108 --> 00:39:20.568
and you see the spark in their eyes.

00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:21.409
Man.

00:39:21.429 --> 00:39:22.630
Dude, that's my favorite part.

00:39:22.811 --> 00:39:23.592
That's right there.

00:39:23.692 --> 00:39:24.934
Even, like, today.

00:39:25.333 --> 00:39:25.474
Like,

00:39:25.494 --> 00:39:27.376
because what I like to do is we

00:39:27.416 --> 00:39:29.257
do a trunk or treat every year,

00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:35.243
and I will go and order –

00:39:33.916 --> 00:39:37.438
kids comics from my local comic book shop

00:39:38.059 --> 00:39:38.619
by the boss.

00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.201
I'll buy like two boxes of the free

00:39:41.240 --> 00:39:42.420
comic book day books.

00:39:43.661 --> 00:39:45.402
And I will give those out at trunk

00:39:45.422 --> 00:39:47.664
or treat during Halloween just to have

00:39:47.704 --> 00:39:48.344
something different.

00:39:48.405 --> 00:39:49.965
I mean, I'll still give you two,

00:39:50.005 --> 00:39:53.226
but I just want to spread my enjoyment

00:39:53.347 --> 00:39:56.509
of comic books with other people as well.

00:39:57.070 --> 00:40:00.931
So I literally my own money, uh,

00:40:01.331 --> 00:40:05.152
you know kids comics you know i think

00:40:05.172 --> 00:40:06.594
they're i forgot how much they cost me

00:40:06.653 --> 00:40:08.094
like it comes in like a bundle of

00:40:08.215 --> 00:40:10.637
fifty or whatever you know for free comic

00:40:10.657 --> 00:40:12.737
book day and that's what i do like

00:40:13.958 --> 00:40:15.199
it's really fun just to be able to

00:40:15.219 --> 00:40:17.201
give a kid possibly their first comic book

00:40:17.887 --> 00:40:18.347
Exactly.

00:40:18.666 --> 00:40:20.068
Every comic is someone's first.

00:40:20.128 --> 00:40:20.347
Right.

00:40:20.869 --> 00:40:23.369
And I think it's beautiful to kind of

00:40:23.389 --> 00:40:23.750
see that.

00:40:23.889 --> 00:40:25.471
And honestly, I don't really care about,

00:40:25.550 --> 00:40:25.731
you know,

00:40:26.751 --> 00:40:29.092
becoming rich or famous or whatever.

00:40:29.132 --> 00:40:30.273
I don't care about any of that stuff

00:40:30.313 --> 00:40:31.233
realistically.

00:40:31.253 --> 00:40:31.835
Just to me,

00:40:31.875 --> 00:40:34.135
just envisioning the four year old version

00:40:34.155 --> 00:40:34.735
of myself,

00:40:35.356 --> 00:40:37.237
be happy with what I've made and then

00:40:37.297 --> 00:40:39.559
seeing that same feeling translated to the

00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:41.659
audience that I'm slowly growing.

00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.081
is just amazing and it literally it ranges

00:40:44.121 --> 00:40:46.483
from either the kids are loving the books

00:40:46.503 --> 00:40:48.143
and this and that or their parents or

00:40:48.244 --> 00:40:49.784
their dads and stuff are like like looking

00:40:49.824 --> 00:40:50.945
over like hey let me see that let

00:40:50.965 --> 00:40:52.025
me get the you know what let me

00:40:52.045 --> 00:40:53.266
get another one let me see this one

00:40:53.326 --> 00:40:55.507
looks kind of cool actually you know just

00:40:55.748 --> 00:40:58.188
seeing like kind of range of um just

00:40:58.208 --> 00:40:59.849
imagine that's one of those things where

00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:02.050
it's like if there's one feeling that you

00:41:02.070 --> 00:41:03.911
could go back and experience again for the

00:41:03.972 --> 00:41:06.253
first time it would have to be getting

00:41:06.273 --> 00:41:08.534
your first comic book again yeah man yeah

00:41:08.775 --> 00:41:10.436
Just so I can remember the look and

00:41:10.476 --> 00:41:13.077
the feel and the smell one more time

00:41:13.597 --> 00:41:15.478
of turning those pages.

00:41:15.617 --> 00:41:16.838
And yeah,

00:41:16.878 --> 00:41:18.840
those pages have kind of yellowed in this

00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.900
book because it's been loved.

00:41:21.481 --> 00:41:22.701
And I don't want to say used.

00:41:22.721 --> 00:41:23.541
They've been loved.

00:41:23.561 --> 00:41:24.242
They've been read.

00:41:24.262 --> 00:41:25.342
They've been flipped through.

00:41:26.003 --> 00:41:28.923
The coupons for the x-ray vision goggles

00:41:28.963 --> 00:41:30.244
have been cut out of the back.

00:41:30.344 --> 00:41:31.184
You know what I'm saying?

00:41:31.846 --> 00:41:33.226
That was some of the very first comic

00:41:33.246 --> 00:41:34.547
books that I got.

00:41:35.027 --> 00:41:36.268
And I thought it was the coolest thing

00:41:36.327 --> 00:41:36.507
ever.

00:41:37.273 --> 00:41:37.793
Exactly.

00:41:37.893 --> 00:41:40.114
And I'm I'm really trying to capture that

00:41:40.134 --> 00:41:41.514
kind of nostalgia, you know,

00:41:41.635 --> 00:41:43.996
like my stuff looks like old retro

00:41:44.036 --> 00:41:44.655
cartoons.

00:41:44.695 --> 00:41:47.097
It looks like Walt Disney cartoons or

00:41:47.137 --> 00:41:47.936
Fleischer Studios.

00:41:48.438 --> 00:41:50.197
And it's like the Silver Age of Marvel

00:41:50.237 --> 00:41:52.579
mixed in with like the the goofy zany

00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.561
stuff of like early Batman and, you know,

00:41:55.581 --> 00:41:56.701
Linus and stuff.

00:41:56.721 --> 00:41:58.762
I wanted that to to really kind of.

00:41:59.375 --> 00:42:02.076
be the the outlook of like the foundation

00:42:02.115 --> 00:42:05.016
of it how it's presented so that anyone

00:42:05.036 --> 00:42:07.097
can enjoy it but within it the core

00:42:07.137 --> 00:42:09.398
of the writing is this transformative

00:42:09.418 --> 00:42:11.639
story where the character literally goes

00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.061
through all these things he quits his job

00:42:14.101 --> 00:42:16.922
he goes into this unknown forest right him

00:42:16.963 --> 00:42:19.123
and the groundskeeper they go time

00:42:19.143 --> 00:42:20.943
traveling they fight these monsters and

00:42:21.023 --> 00:42:22.364
this and that they fight the

00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.143
the horsemen of the apocalypse,

00:42:24.643 --> 00:42:26.166
all these odds are stacked against them,

00:42:26.186 --> 00:42:27.728
but they're still able to persist

00:42:27.788 --> 00:42:28.289
regardless.

00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:30.452
And it's painted in this childlike kind of

00:42:30.492 --> 00:42:31.333
charm, right?

00:42:31.434 --> 00:42:33.195
That's really the goal of what I'm trying

00:42:33.215 --> 00:42:35.139
to do is build something that's just

00:42:36.201 --> 00:42:37.902
iconic and just timeless, you know,

00:42:38.224 --> 00:42:38.945
a hundred percent.

00:42:40.358 --> 00:42:42.742
So how did you feel that when Junket

00:42:42.782 --> 00:42:47.128
became this cult favorite in comic shops

00:42:47.188 --> 00:42:49.150
down in your neck of the woods?

00:42:49.992 --> 00:42:52.715
How did that make you feel?

00:42:52.936 --> 00:42:56.159
That's got to be this amazing feeling of

00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:58.001
pure enjoyment that...

00:42:58.831 --> 00:43:00.652
you know, comic shops are selling your,

00:43:01.132 --> 00:43:03.175
your comic book very well down there.

00:43:03.875 --> 00:43:04.516
And, you know,

00:43:04.596 --> 00:43:06.597
it's become like this cult thing.

00:43:07.878 --> 00:43:08.978
How did that make you feel, man?

00:43:08.998 --> 00:43:10.940
Cause it ain't even my book and I

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.342
feel like a certain kind of way about

00:43:12.382 --> 00:43:12.442
it.

00:43:12.481 --> 00:43:13.443
Cause it's so cool to see.

00:43:13.463 --> 00:43:15.324
Yeah, man.

00:43:15.344 --> 00:43:15.744
And it's,

00:43:15.965 --> 00:43:18.447
it's fascinating because I literally, I,

00:43:18.746 --> 00:43:21.208
I finished creating the book in twenty,

00:43:21.228 --> 00:43:21.909
twenty four and,

00:43:22.465 --> 00:43:24.927
And that literally that I mean, twenty,

00:43:24.947 --> 00:43:25.288
twenty three.

00:43:25.327 --> 00:43:27.730
And then that same year of turn of

00:43:27.750 --> 00:43:29.771
the year, I wanted to decide, like,

00:43:29.911 --> 00:43:31.652
let me go to at least one convention

00:43:31.711 --> 00:43:32.773
at least once a month.

00:43:33.132 --> 00:43:33.313
Right.

00:43:33.353 --> 00:43:35.675
So all the way from from January of

00:43:35.735 --> 00:43:37.856
last year to January of this year,

00:43:38.177 --> 00:43:39.978
I've been just trying to really just build

00:43:40.018 --> 00:43:42.298
that kind of movement, that momentum.

00:43:43.460 --> 00:43:45.081
I had to distribute the books myself.

00:43:45.141 --> 00:43:47.083
I would have to literally drive to

00:43:47.163 --> 00:43:48.903
wherever the stores were.

00:43:49.244 --> 00:43:51.184
yeah kind of contacting with them and

00:43:51.204 --> 00:43:54.246
stuff and it's just really fascinating to

00:43:54.286 --> 00:43:56.246
see you know hey and hey my books

00:43:56.827 --> 00:43:58.467
wow my book the thing i made is

00:43:58.588 --> 00:44:01.429
really here next to the the batman comic

00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:02.809
and the spider-man stuff and it's like

00:44:03.150 --> 00:44:05.489
damn i'm like kind of setting my foot

00:44:05.590 --> 00:44:06.911
in the door of this thing that i

00:44:06.951 --> 00:44:09.771
thought was unattainable right yeah that's

00:44:09.811 --> 00:44:12.432
really that's so pretty cool i always love

00:44:12.452 --> 00:44:13.554
when i see um

00:44:14.634 --> 00:44:16.114
Because a lot of comic book shops won't

00:44:16.155 --> 00:44:18.576
carry indie comics like that.

00:44:18.596 --> 00:44:19.856
They'll carry indie comics,

00:44:19.896 --> 00:44:21.896
but not like... It's not easy.

00:44:22.597 --> 00:44:23.697
Indie, indie comics.

00:44:23.717 --> 00:44:24.398
You know what I'm saying?

00:44:24.518 --> 00:44:26.980
Yeah, they'll carry Dark Horse, Boom,

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:28.739
but those are big names at this point.

00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:29.019
Yeah.

00:44:30.481 --> 00:44:33.442
Yeah, but it's really cool.

00:44:33.702 --> 00:44:35.083
I've been to some comic shops,

00:44:35.123 --> 00:44:37.364
and there was one little stand off to

00:44:37.384 --> 00:44:37.844
the side.

00:44:37.903 --> 00:44:38.864
And I'm like, oh, what are these?

00:44:38.884 --> 00:44:39.385
And they're like, oh,

00:44:39.405 --> 00:44:42.085
it's local guys who bring in their comic

00:44:42.106 --> 00:44:42.286
books.

00:44:42.346 --> 00:44:44.686
I'll buy them for whatever.

00:44:44.867 --> 00:44:46.967
And I'm just like, that is so cool.

00:44:46.987 --> 00:44:48.847
Let me go have a look through the

00:44:49.429 --> 00:44:49.628
carousel.

00:44:50.309 --> 00:44:51.769
One or two of them will always catch

00:44:51.789 --> 00:44:52.349
your eye.

00:44:52.369 --> 00:44:54.971
And it's just really cool to see when

00:44:54.990 --> 00:44:57.092
a local comic shop will actually carry

00:44:57.672 --> 00:44:59.672
local comics.

00:45:00.407 --> 00:45:01.367
Yeah,

00:45:01.387 --> 00:45:03.307
I think it's crazy because most of the

00:45:03.327 --> 00:45:05.367
time I thought it was everyone was going

00:45:05.387 --> 00:45:07.909
to be like kind of staff standoffish or

00:45:07.929 --> 00:45:08.268
whatever.

00:45:08.309 --> 00:45:09.250
But really,

00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:10.969
all the people at conventions or at the

00:45:11.010 --> 00:45:12.951
stores are like super nice because they're

00:45:12.971 --> 00:45:13.731
all like minded.

00:45:13.791 --> 00:45:13.931
Right.

00:45:13.951 --> 00:45:15.751
They all kind of think the same way.

00:45:15.791 --> 00:45:17.132
We all like the same things.

00:45:17.552 --> 00:45:19.833
And it's really just a love for the

00:45:19.853 --> 00:45:20.873
game, right?

00:45:20.913 --> 00:45:22.393
That is selling, you know,

00:45:22.994 --> 00:45:24.554
giving them your sales pitch, right?

00:45:25.074 --> 00:45:26.135
And telling them like, hey,

00:45:26.155 --> 00:45:27.355
this is what I'm trying to do.

00:45:27.614 --> 00:45:28.695
And if they got kids with them,

00:45:28.735 --> 00:45:30.695
they're going to be like, oh, you know,

00:45:30.715 --> 00:45:32.315
let me let me check that out for

00:45:32.356 --> 00:45:33.016
the kids, you know,

00:45:33.036 --> 00:45:34.036
and have a look through it.

00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:37.884
so but no it's really cool dude and

00:45:37.923 --> 00:45:39.846
when when i had read that about you

00:45:40.445 --> 00:45:41.967
i was like dude that is so freaking

00:45:42.007 --> 00:45:46.030
cool to see it you know you becoming

00:45:46.050 --> 00:45:49.554
like this cult legend down there in in

00:45:49.635 --> 00:45:50.516
south florida

00:45:51.835 --> 00:45:53.574
you know, there's,

00:45:53.635 --> 00:45:54.876
there's junket and then there's Florida,

00:45:54.896 --> 00:45:55.096
man.

00:45:55.115 --> 00:45:58.815
Yeah, man.

00:45:58.835 --> 00:45:59.815
But I mean, it's just,

00:45:59.835 --> 00:46:00.856
it's super cool to,

00:46:00.996 --> 00:46:02.777
to like tell people my story and then

00:46:02.817 --> 00:46:05.817
just, just by literally just being myself,

00:46:05.858 --> 00:46:07.597
they're able to kind of get a little

00:46:07.617 --> 00:46:09.498
bit of inspiration from me.

00:46:09.518 --> 00:46:11.398
Just really just passionate about this

00:46:11.438 --> 00:46:12.318
thing, this dream.

00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:13.858
And they just kind of,

00:46:14.358 --> 00:46:15.798
it makes them want to go and hit

00:46:15.838 --> 00:46:17.400
the drawing table and draw stuff.

00:46:17.659 --> 00:46:19.000
Maybe, Oh, maybe I'll write this thing.

00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:19.920
And it just, it's,

00:46:20.416 --> 00:46:21.597
one little sentence a day,

00:46:21.637 --> 00:46:23.177
just one drawing a day,

00:46:23.217 --> 00:46:24.338
even if it's on a sticky note,

00:46:24.378 --> 00:46:26.280
even if it's on your laptop or a

00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:27.561
piece of a napkin or whatever,

00:46:27.940 --> 00:46:31.224
like just go for it because nothing's

00:46:31.264 --> 00:46:31.764
promised, right?

00:46:31.784 --> 00:46:33.766
You've got to keep going, stacking those,

00:46:33.865 --> 00:46:34.806
the momentum, right?

00:46:34.885 --> 00:46:37.327
Stack those wins and just learn from the

00:46:37.367 --> 00:46:41.030
failure because it's not really failure if

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:41.710
you think about it.

00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.373
It took you all of that effort to

00:46:44.432 --> 00:46:45.373
then fail

00:46:46.282 --> 00:46:47.804
then it wasn't, it was just a lesson,

00:46:48.025 --> 00:46:48.206
right?

00:46:48.246 --> 00:46:49.547
It was just these things that kind of

00:46:49.588 --> 00:46:51.010
helped you go along the way.

00:46:51.050 --> 00:46:52.331
These are character builders, right?

00:46:52.351 --> 00:46:54.014
These are things that make you what the

00:46:54.054 --> 00:46:55.856
hero has to go through all the terrible

00:46:55.896 --> 00:46:57.659
things and all the suffering and pain.

00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:58.860
That's what makes them strong.

00:46:59.221 --> 00:46:59.382
Right.

00:46:59.422 --> 00:47:01.063
And now I want to inject that into

00:47:01.605 --> 00:47:02.365
not only, um,

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:04.759
know and to inspire people but into the

00:47:04.798 --> 00:47:07.099
work itself i put that kind of story

00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.139
within the book and within the narrative

00:47:09.161 --> 00:47:13.481
so yeah man now i like that so

00:47:13.501 --> 00:47:15.822
you are fully independent and

00:47:15.942 --> 00:47:18.663
self-published what were some of those

00:47:18.963 --> 00:47:21.722
biggest challenges that you were faced

00:47:21.742 --> 00:47:23.884
with when you decided to go that route

00:47:25.442 --> 00:47:27.103
I mean, yeah, some of the challenges,

00:47:27.143 --> 00:47:28.364
I mean, every challenge, right?

00:47:28.903 --> 00:47:29.445
I mean, yeah, yeah.

00:47:29.465 --> 00:47:29.625
I mean,

00:47:29.664 --> 00:47:31.726
that's literally just you do a brick wall

00:47:31.786 --> 00:47:32.567
in front of yourself.

00:47:32.847 --> 00:47:34.148
Exactly, man.

00:47:34.168 --> 00:47:35.568
You've built it yourself the whole nine.

00:47:35.608 --> 00:47:36.849
Yeah, I mean,

00:47:36.889 --> 00:47:39.130
I'm going against these monopolies,

00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:42.072
basically, these giants that I can't even,

00:47:42.132 --> 00:47:42.353
like,

00:47:43.034 --> 00:47:44.375
I can't even talk to them because they

00:47:44.394 --> 00:47:45.876
don't listen to submissions.

00:47:46.335 --> 00:47:47.416
I can't find them at any of the

00:47:47.456 --> 00:47:48.197
local shows.

00:47:49.177 --> 00:47:50.898
But I don't really see that as a

00:47:50.958 --> 00:47:51.820
bad thing because I'm not,

00:47:52.561 --> 00:47:52.820
kind of,

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.902
I'm not waiting for handouts or for

00:47:55.003 --> 00:47:56.242
someone to come rescue me.

00:47:56.322 --> 00:47:57.643
I think it's,

00:47:57.664 --> 00:47:58.925
it's kind of foolish to think that way.

00:47:58.945 --> 00:48:00.585
And that's how all of the artists that

00:48:00.666 --> 00:48:01.146
I admire,

00:48:01.286 --> 00:48:02.746
that's how they got taken advantage of.

00:48:03.166 --> 00:48:03.347
Right.

00:48:03.367 --> 00:48:04.407
So I,

00:48:04.807 --> 00:48:07.710
I think it's just fascinating seeing all

00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:09.271
the things that get in the way,

00:48:09.311 --> 00:48:11.612
because that just makes the story that

00:48:11.652 --> 00:48:12.193
much better.

00:48:12.313 --> 00:48:14.353
Once I am finally able to go over

00:48:14.373 --> 00:48:14.833
that hill.

00:48:14.914 --> 00:48:15.153
Right.

00:48:15.635 --> 00:48:18.215
I think reading old biographies of like,

00:48:18.275 --> 00:48:20.237
again, just Walt Disney and Steve jobs,

00:48:20.257 --> 00:48:21.038
like all these people,

00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.181
they didn't have it easy at all.

00:48:23.322 --> 00:48:23.541
Right.

00:48:23.922 --> 00:48:25.244
Walt Disney was younger than I am.

00:48:25.284 --> 00:48:26.184
I'm twenty four right now.

00:48:26.483 --> 00:48:28.925
He was literally twenty one had just

00:48:28.965 --> 00:48:31.387
turned and he already his first business

00:48:31.447 --> 00:48:32.969
already was bankrupt and he was sleeping

00:48:33.009 --> 00:48:35.030
in his office as like as his house,

00:48:35.130 --> 00:48:35.550
basically.

00:48:35.570 --> 00:48:36.492
Yeah.

00:48:36.572 --> 00:48:36.751
I mean,

00:48:36.771 --> 00:48:39.514
that's just what it takes sometimes.

00:48:40.414 --> 00:48:41.635
Not to say that I'm going to be

00:48:41.675 --> 00:48:42.356
any of these guys,

00:48:42.376 --> 00:48:44.438
but I really think that every kind of

00:48:44.478 --> 00:48:47.199
story of anyone's life always has to have

00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.239
those difficulties and

00:48:49.389 --> 00:48:50.849
I had a math teacher literally tell me

00:48:50.909 --> 00:48:52.010
all those drawings aren't going to be

00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:52.331
nothing.

00:48:52.650 --> 00:48:53.271
All right, whatever.

00:48:53.351 --> 00:48:54.251
Oh, yeah, stop doing that.

00:48:54.271 --> 00:48:54.891
It's a waste of time.

00:48:54.911 --> 00:48:55.952
You're never going to make any money off

00:48:55.972 --> 00:48:56.072
these.

00:48:56.092 --> 00:48:56.954
Did you send him one?

00:48:56.974 --> 00:48:58.574
Not yet.

00:48:58.675 --> 00:48:58.954
I will though.

00:48:58.974 --> 00:48:59.755
You got to send him a copy.

00:48:59.775 --> 00:49:00.815
You got to send him a copy.

00:49:01.155 --> 00:49:02.396
Autograph it and send it to him.

00:49:02.916 --> 00:49:03.516
A hundred percent.

00:49:03.536 --> 00:49:04.878
But that kind of stuff,

00:49:05.418 --> 00:49:07.280
it just motivates me a little bit, right?

00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.481
All the things that get in the way

00:49:09.581 --> 00:49:11.641
just makes it that much more of a

00:49:11.722 --> 00:49:12.483
risk, right?

00:49:12.523 --> 00:49:14.123
To just move forward and really just cut

00:49:14.143 --> 00:49:16.144
through and just try to see because

00:49:17.402 --> 00:49:18.505
We don't have anything to lose

00:49:18.545 --> 00:49:19.166
realistically.

00:49:19.186 --> 00:49:23.012
You might as well try, right?

00:49:23.032 --> 00:49:24.835
Because it's going to be expensive to –

00:49:25.929 --> 00:49:26.210
To do it,

00:49:26.269 --> 00:49:27.471
it's going to be an investment, right?

00:49:27.490 --> 00:49:29.150
It's going to be risky to try it

00:49:29.211 --> 00:49:29.351
out.

00:49:29.891 --> 00:49:32.193
But just imagine the regret and the bill

00:49:32.213 --> 00:49:33.672
you're going to get from not trying.

00:49:33.693 --> 00:49:35.673
I don't want to see that, right?

00:49:35.713 --> 00:49:36.813
I'll do it, a hundred percent.

00:49:36.833 --> 00:49:39.335
So what would you think was the hardest

00:49:39.355 --> 00:49:39.675
part of it?

00:49:39.695 --> 00:49:42.117
Was it printing, distributing, marketing?

00:49:42.617 --> 00:49:44.137
Which one of those really kind of was

00:49:44.157 --> 00:49:46.737
like when you were into that phase of

00:49:46.797 --> 00:49:48.039
the book where you were like...

00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:51.019
day yeah and the production stages of it

00:49:51.460 --> 00:49:53.719
yeah just trying to carve out time

00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:56.260
whenever i could uh because right now i'm

00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.161
working a day job the time is the

00:49:58.201 --> 00:50:00.782
killer of all dreams man yeah bro and

00:50:00.822 --> 00:50:03.342
it's just waking up a little bit earlier

00:50:03.541 --> 00:50:05.523
going to sleep a little bit later trying

00:50:05.543 --> 00:50:07.282
to see where i could make time and

00:50:07.322 --> 00:50:10.083
just that was insanely difficult but

00:50:10.143 --> 00:50:11.344
definitely the the printing

00:50:11.974 --> 00:50:14.135
is it's not easy like i'm able to

00:50:14.195 --> 00:50:16.197
self-publish it through amazon but it's

00:50:16.237 --> 00:50:18.259
super expensive to get those things

00:50:18.298 --> 00:50:21.382
printed and then to to physically with my

00:50:21.461 --> 00:50:23.282
own money my own car and everything buy

00:50:23.322 --> 00:50:25.684
the tables at conventions and reinvest all

00:50:25.704 --> 00:50:28.266
that stuff yeah and those prices have gone

00:50:29.148 --> 00:50:31.750
so high over the years exactly man and

00:50:31.769 --> 00:50:33.831
the printing quality is inconsistent too

00:50:34.052 --> 00:50:35.913
like i don't i can't i don't have

00:50:35.952 --> 00:50:37.775
the kind of decision making uh

00:50:38.135 --> 00:50:40.275
that an editor has right yeah i kind

00:50:40.295 --> 00:50:42.556
of have to like see i know editors

00:50:43.217 --> 00:50:44.538
right i mean it's still though but i'm

00:50:44.577 --> 00:50:47.179
just it's just it's difficult to to kind

00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:49.320
of keep the the print quality consistent

00:50:49.340 --> 00:50:51.081
throughout right because there's errors in

00:50:51.121 --> 00:50:52.581
it i can't go to amazon i don't

00:50:52.601 --> 00:50:53.802
know where they came from you know i

00:50:53.822 --> 00:50:55.983
mean so it's yeah it's a little bit

00:50:56.003 --> 00:50:59.224
trickier um like that but it's definitely

00:51:00.083 --> 00:51:01.445
again it's just character builders i don't

00:51:01.465 --> 00:51:03.385
really i just i just eat the costs

00:51:03.445 --> 00:51:04.865
and i keep going forward trying to see

00:51:04.905 --> 00:51:06.447
how i could make it all back you

00:51:06.467 --> 00:51:06.547
know

00:51:08.585 --> 00:51:09.644
I love to see it too.

00:51:10.166 --> 00:51:13.929
And I really do hope it, you know,

00:51:13.969 --> 00:51:15.590
you get to where you need and want

00:51:15.630 --> 00:51:16.050
to be,

00:51:16.490 --> 00:51:17.731
but I do know a good editor if

00:51:17.751 --> 00:51:18.092
you need one.

00:51:18.112 --> 00:51:19.932
That's cool.

00:51:19.952 --> 00:51:20.474
But, um,

00:51:21.971 --> 00:51:24.233
For creators watching who won't full

00:51:24.273 --> 00:51:26.054
creative, watching or listening later,

00:51:26.994 --> 00:51:28.474
who won't full creative control,

00:51:28.514 --> 00:51:30.896
what does creative independence really

00:51:30.936 --> 00:51:32.538
mean day to day?

00:51:32.637 --> 00:51:34.800
It's not all sunshine and rainbows,

00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:35.659
even though you're in Miami.

00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:37.802
Yeah, no.

00:51:38.681 --> 00:51:40.262
It's cold there right now, okay?

00:51:40.784 --> 00:51:41.344
It is right now,

00:51:41.384 --> 00:51:44.686
but usually it's cold and hot.

00:51:44.766 --> 00:51:46.407
I think that the best thing about going

00:51:46.467 --> 00:51:48.588
solo is literally I'm able to,

00:51:49.565 --> 00:51:51.365
now do what all of the creators that

00:51:51.666 --> 00:51:52.487
I admired,

00:51:52.887 --> 00:51:54.626
they were starting to do and wish that

00:51:54.646 --> 00:51:56.547
they could do earlier on, right?

00:51:56.568 --> 00:51:58.268
Like Jack Kirby started self-publishing

00:51:58.307 --> 00:52:00.509
his stuff, I think late into the eighties,

00:52:01.048 --> 00:52:01.369
you know,

00:52:01.389 --> 00:52:03.648
towards the later parts of his life where

00:52:03.668 --> 00:52:05.409
he was barely able to draw as well

00:52:05.449 --> 00:52:05.989
as he used to.

00:52:06.429 --> 00:52:08.590
And I think even like, yeah,

00:52:08.630 --> 00:52:11.251
Disney had his character stolen before he

00:52:11.291 --> 00:52:12.871
was able to even get it off the

00:52:12.891 --> 00:52:14.132
ground and just

00:52:14.713 --> 00:52:17.054
I think that the self-publishing route is

00:52:17.155 --> 00:52:19.396
probably the safest bet because you get to

00:52:19.655 --> 00:52:20.496
own your own IP.

00:52:20.516 --> 00:52:22.677
You don't have someone breathing down your

00:52:22.737 --> 00:52:24.438
neck or telling you, don't change this,

00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:25.400
remove that.

00:52:26.059 --> 00:52:28.282
And it's not going to be as financially

00:52:28.541 --> 00:52:30.083
stable as I guess some of the other

00:52:30.143 --> 00:52:30.722
artists are.

00:52:30.762 --> 00:52:32.184
But at the end of the day,

00:52:32.445 --> 00:52:33.945
I'm not doing it for that.

00:52:33.965 --> 00:52:36.186
I'm doing it to leave something that's

00:52:36.327 --> 00:52:37.047
just good.

00:52:37.228 --> 00:52:38.268
I just want to make good art,

00:52:38.327 --> 00:52:40.570
leave something amazing behind because I

00:52:40.590 --> 00:52:40.889
don't think

00:52:41.427 --> 00:52:43.068
I don't think the people drawing Batman

00:52:43.108 --> 00:52:45.371
every day are really thinking about, like,

00:52:45.690 --> 00:52:45.831
oh,

00:52:45.891 --> 00:52:47.692
how is this going to impact the future?

00:52:47.711 --> 00:52:49.032
Like, they don't care about that.

00:52:49.052 --> 00:52:50.233
They're just trying to make a paycheck.

00:52:50.253 --> 00:52:51.355
Yeah.

00:52:51.375 --> 00:52:52.635
They've been drawing Batman.

00:52:52.655 --> 00:52:53.797
If you're drawing Batman,

00:52:53.896 --> 00:52:54.637
I think you've made it.

00:52:54.657 --> 00:52:56.838
Yeah, but, I mean, to me,

00:52:57.438 --> 00:52:58.679
I know I've made it as soon as

00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.481
I see a young kid be, like,

00:53:00.521 --> 00:53:01.422
inspired or whatever.

00:53:01.641 --> 00:53:01.762
Like,

00:53:01.822 --> 00:53:03.242
at one of the conventions I went to,

00:53:04.244 --> 00:53:05.925
and this is stuff that normally people

00:53:05.965 --> 00:53:07.246
working for DC and stuff,

00:53:07.286 --> 00:53:08.487
I've met a couple of them.

00:53:08.626 --> 00:53:11.007
They have to wear a little uniform there

00:53:11.027 --> 00:53:11.688
at the conventions.

00:53:12.847 --> 00:53:13.789
We got to sell this stuff.

00:53:13.809 --> 00:53:14.548
We can't sell our own.

00:53:14.648 --> 00:53:16.969
It's not easy.

00:53:17.369 --> 00:53:18.429
At one of the conventions,

00:53:18.869 --> 00:53:20.490
there was this young artist.

00:53:21.690 --> 00:53:23.311
They were going to go meet one of

00:53:23.351 --> 00:53:25.632
the established real Marvel DC artists.

00:53:26.293 --> 00:53:27.373
They ghosted.

00:53:27.393 --> 00:53:29.193
They weren't there.

00:53:29.233 --> 00:53:31.393
That is the biggest pain in the ass.

00:53:31.474 --> 00:53:33.195
Every time I go to a convention,

00:53:34.675 --> 00:53:35.916
they don't show up or

00:53:37.235 --> 00:53:37.556
Hey,

00:53:37.576 --> 00:53:39.277
they won't be here until thirteen hundred

00:53:39.297 --> 00:53:41.478
because they're in the rooms doing

00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:43.380
commissions because that's how they earn

00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.483
their real money is making commissions.

00:53:46.103 --> 00:53:46.483
Yeah.

00:53:46.583 --> 00:53:47.324
And I met some of them.

00:53:47.403 --> 00:53:48.684
Their prices were way too high.

00:53:48.905 --> 00:53:49.905
All of them were kind of like these

00:53:50.847 --> 00:53:52.628
antisocial, grumpy old men.

00:53:52.648 --> 00:53:52.809
You know,

00:53:52.829 --> 00:53:54.190
I'm like at the end of the day,

00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:55.030
like it's kind of what you're going to

00:53:55.050 --> 00:53:55.110
get.

00:53:55.130 --> 00:53:56.771
Yeah, I think.

00:53:57.242 --> 00:53:59.443
that day or that that person um that

00:53:59.463 --> 00:54:01.626
young artist who who ended up meeting me

00:54:01.967 --> 00:54:03.927
they said hey man i was supposed to

00:54:03.967 --> 00:54:05.650
meet so and so at this at this

00:54:05.670 --> 00:54:08.012
table they weren't here but man your story

00:54:08.231 --> 00:54:09.514
of like who you are and how you're

00:54:09.733 --> 00:54:11.215
you're so young you're doing all this like

00:54:11.635 --> 00:54:13.097
this is so much better than having met

00:54:13.117 --> 00:54:14.518
that person this is so much cooler

00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.800
i don't know all that stuff i mean

00:54:16.820 --> 00:54:19.083
i will say though i think there's more

00:54:19.143 --> 00:54:21.505
good than bad out there and i've met

00:54:21.565 --> 00:54:24.509
some of my favorites throughout the the

00:54:24.568 --> 00:54:27.052
years of since i've gotten back into comic

00:54:27.072 --> 00:54:29.554
books and some that i would have never

00:54:29.614 --> 00:54:30.094
thought about

00:54:31.246 --> 00:54:34.588
following or you know even think about you

00:54:34.608 --> 00:54:37.190
know their art or their stories and here

00:54:37.269 --> 00:54:39.931
i am today like i see their art

00:54:39.952 --> 00:54:41.972
and their stories and if i see their

00:54:42.034 --> 00:54:43.855
name pop up on a book or something

00:54:43.875 --> 00:54:45.195
i'm like i'm gonna go get that book

00:54:45.215 --> 00:54:47.898
exactly because i know their art and i

00:54:47.918 --> 00:54:49.378
know they're the way they tell stories i

00:54:49.398 --> 00:54:50.800
know the way they write and i'm just

00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:51.119
like

00:54:52.621 --> 00:54:54.423
This person could write anything in the

00:54:54.463 --> 00:54:56.846
world about whatever in the world,

00:54:56.945 --> 00:54:58.688
and it's probably going to be great

00:54:58.728 --> 00:55:00.610
because I've not seen them put out a

00:55:00.730 --> 00:55:04.853
bad story yet.

00:55:04.893 --> 00:55:05.014
Yeah,

00:55:05.034 --> 00:55:07.376
it's always an honor to meet some artists

00:55:07.396 --> 00:55:09.257
that completely exceed expectations.

00:55:09.378 --> 00:55:10.840
I was able to meet the late,

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.481
great Neil Adams at Florida Supercon

00:55:13.661 --> 00:55:14.322
before he passed.

00:55:15.554 --> 00:55:17.034
And he was, I mean, he was pricey,

00:55:17.094 --> 00:55:17.614
don't get me wrong.

00:55:17.813 --> 00:55:18.914
But he, honestly,

00:55:18.934 --> 00:55:21.094
he was super humble and very nice.

00:55:21.855 --> 00:55:24.295
He signed my copies of Green Lantern,

00:55:24.315 --> 00:55:24.835
Green Arrow.

00:55:24.856 --> 00:55:25.996
He was like, you know, these books,

00:55:26.235 --> 00:55:27.876
they changed the world a little bit.

00:55:27.916 --> 00:55:28.956
I was like, yeah, man, that's so cool.

00:55:28.976 --> 00:55:30.737
Like it fed into the dream a little.

00:55:31.197 --> 00:55:34.297
And then meeting Jim Starlin after

00:55:34.876 --> 00:55:36.978
Infinity War was crazy, right?

00:55:36.998 --> 00:55:39.557
That was pretty awesome.

00:55:39.577 --> 00:55:40.639
What do you have to say about them

00:55:40.918 --> 00:55:42.639
completely ruining the story with the

00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:42.998
movie?

00:55:44.188 --> 00:55:46.489
Yeah, man, but he was super cool.

00:55:46.550 --> 00:55:48.610
He was actually – he was just super

00:55:49.010 --> 00:55:50.210
humble, very nice guy.

00:55:50.371 --> 00:55:51.692
I think it was literally twenty bucks.

00:55:51.751 --> 00:55:52.972
Take a photo with me, sign it,

00:55:52.992 --> 00:55:53.731
whatever you want, man.

00:55:53.972 --> 00:55:55.693
He gave me a bunch of advice for

00:55:55.733 --> 00:55:57.474
writing and drawing your own stuff,

00:55:57.494 --> 00:55:59.253
and it's just – you never know, man.

00:55:59.434 --> 00:56:00.875
It's really a mixed bag,

00:56:00.894 --> 00:56:03.275
but the community of comic creators,

00:56:03.315 --> 00:56:04.436
it's just – it's all love,

00:56:04.675 --> 00:56:06.697
and I think that's really what the main

00:56:06.697 --> 00:56:07.797
– It really is,

00:56:08.117 --> 00:56:10.197
and like I was saying earlier,

00:56:10.277 --> 00:56:14.252
I've met some really great people –

00:56:13.197 --> 00:56:14.838
at conventions, you know,

00:56:14.998 --> 00:56:17.039
artists who I've never seen or heard from

00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:17.980
at that point.

00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:20.862
And then I realized like, oh,

00:56:20.902 --> 00:56:22.001
you write that one book?

00:56:22.503 --> 00:56:23.543
I have that one book.

00:56:24.143 --> 00:56:26.184
I didn't bring it with me.

00:56:26.344 --> 00:56:27.425
And they're like, oh, don't worry.

00:56:27.806 --> 00:56:28.806
And they pull it out and was like,

00:56:28.867 --> 00:56:29.047
here.

00:56:29.067 --> 00:56:30.728
Yeah.

00:56:30.807 --> 00:56:31.547
And then sign it.

00:56:31.708 --> 00:56:33.590
And you're like, oh, dude,

00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:34.369
this is so awesome.

00:56:34.409 --> 00:56:35.670
I wish I would have brought my own

00:56:35.710 --> 00:56:37.952
copy because I know my own copy is

00:56:38.052 --> 00:56:39.592
a first print of that book.

00:56:39.612 --> 00:56:40.173
But still, yeah.

00:56:41.206 --> 00:56:42.846
when they take that five,

00:56:42.905 --> 00:56:45.547
ten minutes out of their day and talk

00:56:45.567 --> 00:56:47.967
to you and just like, hey,

00:56:47.987 --> 00:56:49.628
do you have any questions about the story?

00:56:49.688 --> 00:56:49.969
Actually,

00:56:50.009 --> 00:56:52.128
I did have one question about this one

00:56:52.148 --> 00:56:54.750
part here because I don't know what

00:56:54.789 --> 00:56:55.170
happened.

00:56:55.929 --> 00:56:56.990
I'm missing something.

00:56:57.010 --> 00:56:58.050
And then you're like, oh,

00:56:58.130 --> 00:56:59.130
you have to go back and read this

00:56:59.210 --> 00:56:59.811
other book,

00:56:59.990 --> 00:57:02.172
which is like the prequel to this book.

00:57:03.112 --> 00:57:05.853
And this little area right here will make

00:57:05.893 --> 00:57:06.112
sense.

00:57:06.152 --> 00:57:08.173
So then I'm like, okay, cool.

00:57:09.088 --> 00:57:10.349
then i seen them at the convention the

00:57:10.389 --> 00:57:12.891
next year i'm like hey i mean it's

00:57:12.911 --> 00:57:14.572
a hundred percent you know since now and

00:57:14.612 --> 00:57:16.635
i brought both books you know for her

00:57:16.695 --> 00:57:19.177
to sign and she thought it was funny

00:57:19.237 --> 00:57:20.438
she's like you actually went and bought

00:57:20.778 --> 00:57:22.539
like yeah when i needed to know what

00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.663
that meant you know she's like i didn't

00:57:25.682 --> 00:57:27.204
want to you know give it away because

00:57:27.244 --> 00:57:29.126
it's it's such a good read i wanted

00:57:29.146 --> 00:57:30.186
you to read it i'm like well i

00:57:30.226 --> 00:57:32.588
read it and now i understand and like

00:57:32.668 --> 00:57:33.690
can you sign both these now

00:57:35.190 --> 00:57:36.210
Yeah, man.

00:57:36.251 --> 00:57:38.072
Some of my, my favorite stuff is like,

00:57:38.472 --> 00:57:39.871
if, if it's like a little kid,

00:57:39.891 --> 00:57:41.052
he can't afford it or anything.

00:57:41.112 --> 00:57:41.952
I just, man, I just,

00:57:42.032 --> 00:57:43.092
I sign it and I give it to

00:57:43.112 --> 00:57:43.672
him anyways.

00:57:43.713 --> 00:57:44.753
Cause I know that's going to make his

00:57:44.793 --> 00:57:45.052
day.

00:57:46.413 --> 00:57:48.153
So it's just meeting people that do the

00:57:48.193 --> 00:57:49.614
same courtesy for me.

00:57:49.673 --> 00:57:50.673
It's just amazing.

00:57:51.735 --> 00:57:52.974
I think it's, it's really just,

00:57:53.894 --> 00:57:55.534
it goes full circle a little bit, right?

00:57:55.574 --> 00:57:57.655
Cause we grow up loving these,

00:57:57.795 --> 00:57:58.275
these books,

00:57:58.295 --> 00:57:59.936
these things that just are entertaining

00:57:59.976 --> 00:58:00.335
and fun.

00:58:00.836 --> 00:58:01.617
Now we grow older,

00:58:01.657 --> 00:58:02.956
we appreciate them even more.

00:58:03.675 --> 00:58:05.235
And we realized like, damn,

00:58:05.255 --> 00:58:06.755
this is like a gift we could pass

00:58:06.795 --> 00:58:07.016
down.

00:58:07.036 --> 00:58:08.956
It's like passing down the torch a little

00:58:08.976 --> 00:58:10.257
bit, but yeah.

00:58:10.336 --> 00:58:10.697
Yeah.

00:58:10.797 --> 00:58:12.217
And like I said, you, you can,

00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.059
you can never relive that moment of

00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:18.320
getting your first comic book.

00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:19.860
And God, do I wish I could,

00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:20.641
you know,

00:58:20.721 --> 00:58:22.501
every time I get a really good book,

00:58:23.081 --> 00:58:23.902
it's one of those where I'm like,

00:58:23.961 --> 00:58:25.202
I wish this was my first time.

00:58:25.661 --> 00:58:27.083
And then I'll find another really great

00:58:27.123 --> 00:58:27.382
series.

00:58:27.402 --> 00:58:27.762
I'm like,

00:58:28.583 --> 00:58:32.364
maybe I wish this one was my first.

00:58:32.425 --> 00:58:32.925
Yeah, exactly.

00:58:32.945 --> 00:58:32.985
So,

00:58:34.297 --> 00:58:36.719
but you were expanding junket into

00:58:36.818 --> 00:58:39.280
animation, short films and other media.

00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:41.161
What was that?

00:58:41.240 --> 00:58:44.101
What was the, the, um,

00:58:44.222 --> 00:58:45.782
the thing that led you going,

00:58:46.262 --> 00:58:47.682
I think I want to do this next

00:58:47.943 --> 00:58:49.884
with this, you know, with junket.

00:58:51.023 --> 00:58:52.864
I think it's just, I,

00:58:53.284 --> 00:58:55.246
I feel like I see the value in,

00:58:55.525 --> 00:58:57.746
in the IP the most right than anyone

00:58:57.786 --> 00:58:58.407
else around me.

00:58:59.007 --> 00:59:00.788
I'm able to, to like, see like, Oh,

00:59:00.827 --> 00:59:02.007
this has potential to be,

00:59:02.447 --> 00:59:03.768
whether it's a movie or this and that.

00:59:03.949 --> 00:59:04.048
And,

00:59:04.706 --> 00:59:04.806
hey,

00:59:04.847 --> 00:59:06.148
might as well use the things that I

00:59:06.188 --> 00:59:06.849
have around me.

00:59:06.969 --> 00:59:08.811
Use what you can to do the best

00:59:08.831 --> 00:59:10.351
that you can offer, right?

00:59:10.913 --> 00:59:12.994
And I have buddies who are interested in

00:59:13.034 --> 00:59:13.875
making video games.

00:59:13.894 --> 00:59:15.856
And even if they hadn't tried it or

00:59:15.916 --> 00:59:17.298
done it yet, I was like, hey,

00:59:17.518 --> 00:59:18.298
I have this idea.

00:59:18.318 --> 00:59:20.300
We could kind of maybe adapt it together.

00:59:20.380 --> 00:59:22.242
So, yeah, I mean,

00:59:22.503 --> 00:59:23.824
it was literally just trying to see how

00:59:23.885 --> 00:59:26.806
I could just turn people's attention or

00:59:27.568 --> 00:59:28.608
spin heads around and see.

00:59:29.635 --> 00:59:32.177
hey, maybe this thing has legs to grow.

00:59:32.657 --> 00:59:33.318
And yeah,

00:59:33.338 --> 00:59:35.318
I was doing the pixel art for the

00:59:35.338 --> 00:59:36.438
game where it's going to be like an

00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.679
old Zelda RPG kind of style.

00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:41.981
And they were learning literally.

00:59:42.001 --> 00:59:43.041
And I love seeing that those are making

00:59:43.081 --> 00:59:45.041
this weird little comeback, you know?

00:59:45.322 --> 00:59:46.182
Like you can literally,

00:59:46.202 --> 00:59:48.164
there's websites that host these little

00:59:48.623 --> 00:59:51.625
eight-bit pixel video games of different

00:59:51.664 --> 00:59:53.865
things, and they're just so fun to play.

00:59:54.306 --> 00:59:55.206
Yeah, those emulators.

00:59:55.246 --> 00:59:57.367
We were actually looking at old websites

00:59:57.387 --> 00:59:58.849
that emulate those games, and I was like,

00:59:59.048 --> 00:59:59.190
yeah,

00:59:59.210 --> 01:00:00.550
I want this kind of game like this.

01:00:00.590 --> 01:00:01.911
And then it needs to be able to

01:00:01.951 --> 01:00:03.733
move in this direction or has these kinds

01:00:03.753 --> 01:00:04.592
of weapons and stuff.

01:00:05.293 --> 01:00:07.375
And they were literally able to learn from

01:00:07.454 --> 01:00:10.538
scratch almost just by a passion and

01:00:10.757 --> 01:00:13.278
believing in what I was trying to create.

01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:15.940
And it's just so fun to see my

01:00:16.001 --> 01:00:18.583
friends kind of gather and help me out.

01:00:18.682 --> 01:00:20.585
And buying into what you're selling too

01:00:20.605 --> 01:00:22.846
has got to be really cool that –

01:00:22.833 --> 01:00:24.534
Not only do they believe in the product,

01:00:24.554 --> 01:00:25.315
but more importantly,

01:00:25.355 --> 01:00:28.115
they believe in you and what you've

01:00:28.155 --> 01:00:28.777
created,

01:00:28.916 --> 01:00:30.277
which has to be like one of those

01:00:30.318 --> 01:00:32.278
really cool films or feelings.

01:00:32.918 --> 01:00:33.760
Super heartfelt.

01:00:34.179 --> 01:00:36.782
And it's really kind of wonderful because

01:00:36.802 --> 01:00:38.722
they most of them even saw me since

01:00:38.782 --> 01:00:39.242
middle school.

01:00:39.344 --> 01:00:39.543
Right.

01:00:39.603 --> 01:00:43.385
So they literally saw that early idea that

01:00:43.445 --> 01:00:45.507
things just kind of grow into what it's

01:00:45.547 --> 01:00:45.907
become.

01:00:46.588 --> 01:00:48.148
um so it's just been an honor to

01:00:48.228 --> 01:00:50.190
really just it's gonna be really cool too

01:00:50.210 --> 01:00:52.411
to have friends that have stuck with you

01:00:53.291 --> 01:00:55.432
that long because you don't see a lot

01:00:55.472 --> 01:00:58.335
of that anymore of people like oh that's

01:00:58.355 --> 01:01:01.056
my friend from third grade over there and

01:01:01.096 --> 01:01:03.378
they've been down since day one you know

01:01:03.838 --> 01:01:05.298
you just don't hear a lot of that

01:01:05.378 --> 01:01:07.099
anymore i mean i'm still friends with a

01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:09.221
lot of people that i grew up with

01:01:09.721 --> 01:01:11.641
i don't talk to them as much as

01:01:11.722 --> 01:01:13.083
i as i wish i could because i

01:01:13.103 --> 01:01:14.063
don't live there anymore

01:01:14.903 --> 01:01:17.585
But anytime I'm home and I run into

01:01:17.626 --> 01:01:17.865
them,

01:01:17.945 --> 01:01:20.007
it's like we just pick it right back

01:01:20.088 --> 01:01:20.387
up, right?

01:01:20.407 --> 01:01:24.811
Because we went from elementary to

01:01:24.851 --> 01:01:26.032
graduating together.

01:01:27.052 --> 01:01:28.873
So it's always really cool when you get

01:01:28.914 --> 01:01:29.853
to run into those friends.

01:01:29.893 --> 01:01:31.594
And to still have those friends has got

01:01:31.635 --> 01:01:33.936
to be such a really cool feeling.

01:01:33.976 --> 01:01:37.900
I wish more people got that feeling of

01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.121
having those people with you from day one.

01:01:40.141 --> 01:01:40.782
Yeah, man.

01:01:42.056 --> 01:01:42.858
And even though, you know,

01:01:42.878 --> 01:01:44.577
we always have our up and downs and

01:01:44.617 --> 01:01:46.219
people drift apart, this and that,

01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:47.880
but we always are able to reconnect.

01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:48.601
And that's really,

01:01:49.721 --> 01:01:51.963
we were able to reconnect to make this

01:01:52.003 --> 01:01:52.782
project together.

01:01:52.802 --> 01:01:54.884
And it's just super cool to just even

01:01:54.943 --> 01:01:57.085
like test the waters with a small demo

01:01:57.125 --> 01:01:57.726
of where it is.

01:01:58.672 --> 01:01:59.813
It's just awesome stuff, bro.

01:01:59.893 --> 01:02:01.273
Yeah.

01:02:01.293 --> 01:02:02.494
That's really cool to see, man.

01:02:02.974 --> 01:02:04.175
So I'm going to ask you one of

01:02:04.215 --> 01:02:05.916
those questions that I ask everybody that

01:02:05.956 --> 01:02:07.057
comes on the podcast.

01:02:07.737 --> 01:02:09.860
What advice would you give to a creator

01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.422
launching their very first indie comic

01:02:13.001 --> 01:02:15.023
right now?

01:02:15.123 --> 01:02:16.545
I think it's kind of like one of

01:02:16.585 --> 01:02:18.505
those stowaway questions that everybody

01:02:18.885 --> 01:02:20.967
asks, but it's one of those where I,

01:02:21.208 --> 01:02:22.048
every time I ask it,

01:02:22.108 --> 01:02:24.190
I get a different answer to a very

01:02:24.210 --> 01:02:24.769
end degree.

01:02:24.851 --> 01:02:27.172
So that's a, it's a core question.

01:02:27.192 --> 01:02:27.813
A hundred percent.

01:02:28.032 --> 01:02:28.132
Um,

01:02:29.661 --> 01:02:31.903
I think the advice I'd give them is

01:02:32.543 --> 01:02:34.286
to first and foremost,

01:02:35.085 --> 01:02:36.427
never give up on it.

01:02:36.487 --> 01:02:37.507
Even if it looks bleak,

01:02:37.927 --> 01:02:38.829
just keep on going.

01:02:39.268 --> 01:02:40.369
It'll all be worth something.

01:02:40.449 --> 01:02:41.831
Everything happens for a reason, right?

01:02:42.251 --> 01:02:43.032
And God's watching.

01:02:43.052 --> 01:02:45.034
He knows you're going to be just fine

01:02:45.094 --> 01:02:46.195
throughout, you know, through it all.

01:02:47.295 --> 01:02:48.376
In terms of the production,

01:02:48.715 --> 01:02:49.376
definitely keep

01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:52.762
Just try to have cohesion from panel to

01:02:52.802 --> 01:02:53.143
panel.

01:02:53.182 --> 01:02:55.923
Have it flow in a particular way.

01:02:57.744 --> 01:03:00.226
The idea of the first panel and the

01:03:00.266 --> 01:03:02.268
last panel have to flow almost in like

01:03:02.288 --> 01:03:04.128
an S or in a Z pattern.

01:03:04.608 --> 01:03:05.989
So that way it guides the eye.

01:03:06.409 --> 01:03:09.612
Have artwork that kind of helps jump out

01:03:09.652 --> 01:03:11.853
of the box a little so it guides

01:03:11.893 --> 01:03:13.253
the story even further.

01:03:14.014 --> 01:03:15.856
And just put your heart and soul into

01:03:15.896 --> 01:03:16.637
what you're writing,

01:03:16.938 --> 01:03:19.481
because the more real and the more raw

01:03:19.862 --> 01:03:20.663
the writing is,

01:03:21.222 --> 01:03:23.746
the more guttural and true it feels to

01:03:23.766 --> 01:03:24.648
the person reading it.

01:03:25.168 --> 01:03:27.672
I think that that stuff really hits home.

01:03:28.626 --> 01:03:30.208
Whenever I'm at convention, I'm like, oh,

01:03:30.228 --> 01:03:31.369
this character's going through his midlife

01:03:31.389 --> 01:03:32.889
crisis, he quit his job, this and that.

01:03:33.289 --> 01:03:34.170
People always laugh,

01:03:34.210 --> 01:03:35.052
and then they're just like, man,

01:03:35.072 --> 01:03:35.771
that's me, this and that.

01:03:35.791 --> 01:03:38.293
They're always like, you know what I mean?

01:03:38.333 --> 01:03:40.235
Just that kind of connection immediately

01:03:40.835 --> 01:03:42.076
is important.

01:03:43.117 --> 01:03:45.699
So before we start wrapping this up,

01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.920
I want you to talk to us about

01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:49.081
Far Look Studios and kind of like what

01:03:49.101 --> 01:03:51.143
was the long-term vision for that?

01:03:51.163 --> 01:03:53.023
Because it's a really cool thing that you

01:03:53.184 --> 01:03:55.885
are doing over at Far Look Studios.

01:03:56.891 --> 01:03:57.353
Yeah, man.

01:03:57.373 --> 01:03:59.155
So, I mean, you said it yourself,

01:03:59.195 --> 01:04:00.976
it's a long-term vision.

01:04:01.197 --> 01:04:03.039
That's the whole point of the name.

01:04:03.099 --> 01:04:03.840
It's far look,

01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:05.242
it's seeing far into the future,

01:04:05.282 --> 01:04:08.525
seeing potential, seeing, you know,

01:04:08.545 --> 01:04:10.349
the idea of young artists being able to

01:04:10.509 --> 01:04:12.311
own their work and being able to promote

01:04:12.331 --> 01:04:14.293
it and push it through their own accord

01:04:14.313 --> 01:04:15.335
without having anyone

01:04:15.744 --> 01:04:15.965
you know,

01:04:16.005 --> 01:04:18.626
force her hand or make it to something

01:04:18.686 --> 01:04:18.945
else.

01:04:19.786 --> 01:04:21.547
Um, I just started as an,

01:04:21.626 --> 01:04:22.706
as a way for me to,

01:04:23.047 --> 01:04:25.387
to kind of brand my, my work,

01:04:25.907 --> 01:04:28.027
but I realized if I'm going to start

01:04:28.068 --> 01:04:30.268
branching out into, you know, multimedia,

01:04:31.068 --> 01:04:31.248
I,

01:04:31.309 --> 01:04:33.329
it's important to literally have that kind

01:04:33.409 --> 01:04:34.010
of that

01:04:34.516 --> 01:04:35.637
the brand identity,

01:04:35.677 --> 01:04:37.518
that name that really just kind of pushes

01:04:37.557 --> 01:04:38.159
that forward.

01:04:38.898 --> 01:04:41.159
And it's just the simplest way is to

01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:43.101
inspire hope with the name.

01:04:43.521 --> 01:04:45.822
You know, it's, you know, there's a,

01:04:45.842 --> 01:04:47.402
there's a phrase in Spanish, right?

01:04:47.422 --> 01:04:50.623
That is short steps with long vision,

01:04:50.704 --> 01:04:50.804
right?

01:04:50.824 --> 01:04:52.744
It's like a long way with short steps

01:04:52.764 --> 01:04:53.244
that we take.

01:04:53.885 --> 01:04:55.827
And I think that's kind of the whole

01:04:55.847 --> 01:04:56.786
core of that company.

01:04:57.146 --> 01:05:01.168
So it's just homemade, right?

01:05:01.188 --> 01:05:03.130
Just like Steve jobs in his garage.

01:05:03.190 --> 01:05:03.429
Oh yeah.

01:05:03.806 --> 01:05:06.088
or whatever it may be.

01:05:06.148 --> 01:05:09.389
I think it has potential to maybe not

01:05:09.469 --> 01:05:11.351
overthrow any of the big companies or

01:05:11.371 --> 01:05:11.672
anything,

01:05:11.711 --> 01:05:12.873
but I'm just trying to see how I

01:05:12.893 --> 01:05:15.715
could maybe start something here in Miami.

01:05:15.795 --> 01:05:16.815
Grassroots, man.

01:05:16.835 --> 01:05:17.735
That's what it's all about.

01:05:18.177 --> 01:05:19.818
At the end of the day, it's grassroots.

01:05:20.697 --> 01:05:21.539
You start it here,

01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.101
and next thing you know, it's over there.

01:05:24.681 --> 01:05:26.722
That's what's great about these types of

01:05:26.762 --> 01:05:30.985
platforms here is I get to allow you

01:05:31.045 --> 01:05:32.027
to have that

01:05:33.684 --> 01:05:36.226
expand that look and that reach out and

01:05:36.985 --> 01:05:38.606
that's why i love to do what i

01:05:38.646 --> 01:05:41.389
do is because it does give y'all that

01:05:41.568 --> 01:05:43.951
opportunity to reach out further and

01:05:44.070 --> 01:05:47.572
further and hopefully somebody else's ray

01:05:47.612 --> 01:05:50.074
raynett's you know book in his studio is

01:05:50.175 --> 01:05:53.217
really amazing and then they pick up pick

01:05:53.257 --> 01:05:54.998
it up and then somebody else picks it

01:05:55.077 --> 01:05:56.679
up and you know it's just

01:05:57.978 --> 01:05:59.900
that's the charm of this and why I

01:05:59.980 --> 01:06:03.463
love doing this is because like I said,

01:06:03.483 --> 01:06:05.905
I get to meet really cool up and

01:06:05.945 --> 01:06:08.208
coming artists, writers,

01:06:08.887 --> 01:06:11.791
people with visions at such a young age

01:06:11.831 --> 01:06:12.851
that I'm like,

01:06:12.931 --> 01:06:15.193
I could have never have imagined that

01:06:15.835 --> 01:06:17.356
personally because I went a completely

01:06:17.396 --> 01:06:18.556
different route in life.

01:06:19.237 --> 01:06:20.920
And now here I am in my forties,

01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:24.880
know getting to do this getting to talk

01:06:24.900 --> 01:06:26.161
about comic books getting to talk about

01:06:26.260 --> 01:06:29.001
independent creators and learn about

01:06:29.061 --> 01:06:32.342
independent creators and bring them a

01:06:32.461 --> 01:06:35.302
spotlight putting them on their pedestal

01:06:35.342 --> 01:06:37.802
for an hour hour and a half and

01:06:37.822 --> 01:06:40.224
just letting these people letting the ray

01:06:40.284 --> 01:06:43.445
rayness of the world tell their story to

01:06:43.704 --> 01:06:46.545
a bigger audience and it is so much

01:06:46.565 --> 01:06:47.925
fun to get to do and get to

01:06:47.965 --> 01:06:48.206
meet

01:06:49.204 --> 01:06:51.067
everybody who comes on the podcast because

01:06:51.086 --> 01:06:53.108
everybody's story is different but the

01:06:53.208 --> 01:06:56.753
vision is always the same and that's put

01:06:56.954 --> 01:07:01.079
independent comics on the map and by damn

01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.181
y'all are freaking doing it and i love

01:07:03.222 --> 01:07:03.382
it

01:07:05.260 --> 01:07:05.860
And honestly,

01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.643
it's an honor to even be on this

01:07:07.682 --> 01:07:08.362
kind of platform.

01:07:08.402 --> 01:07:08.844
I think it's,

01:07:09.523 --> 01:07:11.365
I never want to overlook anyone because

01:07:11.425 --> 01:07:13.628
it's just, it's amazing to, like you said,

01:07:13.648 --> 01:07:15.268
just meet all different kinds of people,

01:07:15.409 --> 01:07:18.512
just get in contact with younger artists,

01:07:18.532 --> 01:07:20.152
get in contact with people who appreciate

01:07:20.193 --> 01:07:20.733
the culture.

01:07:21.293 --> 01:07:23.255
It's really the perfect kind of platform.

01:07:23.315 --> 01:07:25.117
And to just, like you said,

01:07:25.157 --> 01:07:28.039
just make a spread awareness of the indie

01:07:28.139 --> 01:07:29.880
comics that are always hidden around the

01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:30.581
corners, you know?

01:07:31.262 --> 01:07:32.762
Oh, dude, they're everywhere.

01:07:32.822 --> 01:07:33.483
And I'm telling you,

01:07:33.983 --> 01:07:35.063
we're going to do this again soon.

01:07:35.103 --> 01:07:35.965
I'm going to bring you,

01:07:36.005 --> 01:07:37.706
I'm going to bring the Nathan Rouses,

01:07:38.226 --> 01:07:39.567
you know, the Ray McKays.

01:07:39.847 --> 01:07:42.407
I'm going to bring like five or six

01:07:42.447 --> 01:07:43.949
of you dudes on, you know,

01:07:44.028 --> 01:07:45.489
and we're going to do like a thirty

01:07:45.550 --> 01:07:46.250
under thirty.

01:07:46.771 --> 01:07:48.472
Everybody's going to get asked the same

01:07:48.512 --> 01:07:50.873
question and everybody's going to get

01:07:50.913 --> 01:07:52.813
their chance to respond and answer those

01:07:52.833 --> 01:07:53.213
questions.

01:07:53.293 --> 01:07:54.614
I think that would be fantastic.

01:07:54.934 --> 01:07:56.735
a lot of fun to get to do

01:07:57.436 --> 01:07:59.077
all these guys from different walks of

01:07:59.097 --> 01:08:01.639
life but they all have that one singular

01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.599
passion and that's bringing their comic

01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:08.222
book to the people yeah to me that's

01:08:08.461 --> 01:08:12.625
that's like the ultimate like for me i'm

01:08:12.905 --> 01:08:14.545
i'm excited just thinking about that you

01:08:14.585 --> 01:08:16.246
know like i'm gonna have to email these

01:08:16.286 --> 01:08:17.766
guys and we're gonna have to find us

01:08:17.787 --> 01:08:19.488
a good date to do something like that

01:08:19.507 --> 01:08:21.248
because that would be so much fun in

01:08:21.269 --> 01:08:22.069
my eyes to

01:08:23.109 --> 01:08:26.572
bring all these young talented writers and

01:08:26.773 --> 01:08:30.114
artists on the podcast at the same time

01:08:30.694 --> 01:08:35.358
and just talk cognitive books and what God

01:08:35.417 --> 01:08:37.219
is here and that kind of stuff.

01:08:37.238 --> 01:08:38.319
That would be so much fun.

01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:39.980
It's just so yeah.

01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:41.341
Yeah, dude.

01:08:41.641 --> 01:08:42.943
Like that would be so funny.

01:08:43.222 --> 01:08:44.363
I'd probably be one of those where I'm

01:08:44.384 --> 01:08:46.045
like, we're going to need at least two,

01:08:46.524 --> 01:08:47.546
two and a half hours.

01:08:47.786 --> 01:08:49.707
Yeah.

01:08:49.787 --> 01:08:50.108
Minimum.

01:08:54.518 --> 01:08:56.998
before I let you go my dude tell

01:08:57.198 --> 01:09:00.520
everybody where they can find you and

01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.402
where they can pick up a copy of

01:09:04.002 --> 01:09:07.724
your book so all of the junket stories

01:09:07.764 --> 01:09:10.005
and all my comics are out on Amazon

01:09:10.064 --> 01:09:12.086
right now just type in hidden worlds

01:09:12.105 --> 01:09:12.966
revealed junket

01:09:13.416 --> 01:09:14.695
Or just type in RayRayNet,

01:09:14.935 --> 01:09:16.377
and I'll show up right immediately.

01:09:16.837 --> 01:09:18.396
I have a YouTube channel where I show

01:09:18.457 --> 01:09:20.077
all of my stuff behind the scenes of

01:09:20.136 --> 01:09:20.957
making the comics,

01:09:20.997 --> 01:09:22.318
of coming up with the concepts,

01:09:22.637 --> 01:09:24.457
where it's literally just Farlick Studios

01:09:24.698 --> 01:09:25.618
or just RayRayNet.

01:09:26.259 --> 01:09:27.819
And follow me on Instagram,

01:09:28.038 --> 01:09:30.579
where I post almost every day, really,

01:09:30.819 --> 01:09:32.359
where I just show all the behind the

01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.640
scenes of going to conventions and just

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:36.961
kind of taking you guys along the journey

01:09:37.001 --> 01:09:37.280
with me.

01:09:37.881 --> 01:09:40.402
yeah man never stop creating comics never

01:09:40.462 --> 01:09:42.563
stop chasing that dream and upwards and

01:09:42.603 --> 01:09:47.164
onwards hundred percent dude i love it and

01:09:47.204 --> 01:09:49.086
i can't appreciate you enough for coming

01:09:49.105 --> 01:09:52.527
on and talking junket and just being

01:09:52.546 --> 01:09:54.807
yourself dude and and that's what makes

01:09:54.828 --> 01:09:57.128
this so much fun to me is getting

01:09:57.149 --> 01:09:59.449
to meet all you guys who are doing

01:09:59.489 --> 01:10:00.411
this every day

01:10:01.434 --> 01:10:02.614
you're in school, you're,

01:10:02.854 --> 01:10:04.336
you're writing comments on the side,

01:10:04.355 --> 01:10:05.555
you're still going to conventions,

01:10:05.595 --> 01:10:09.398
you're hand delivering your comic book to

01:10:09.458 --> 01:10:11.099
local comic book shops.

01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:11.960
So,

01:10:12.020 --> 01:10:13.581
but if you're willing to come back on

01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:15.381
later and,

01:10:16.101 --> 01:10:17.662
and do like a thirty for thirty dude,

01:10:18.103 --> 01:10:19.184
I will happily have you back

01:10:19.264 --> 01:10:20.385
on it or if you just want to

01:10:20.404 --> 01:10:21.726
come back on and talk about a new

01:10:21.766 --> 01:10:24.730
project or anything else dude you're more

01:10:24.751 --> 01:10:26.733
than welcome to come back and we'll sit

01:10:26.773 --> 01:10:29.095
down and we'll run this back again because

01:10:29.136 --> 01:10:30.618
this was a lot of fun tonight dude

01:10:30.978 --> 01:10:33.020
this is how my tuesday nights should

01:10:33.081 --> 01:10:33.541
always be

01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:35.060
Heck yeah, bro.

01:10:35.201 --> 01:10:36.381
It's an absolute pleasure.

01:10:36.622 --> 01:10:37.422
And it's, yeah,

01:10:37.523 --> 01:10:39.944
once I have actually a couple of big

01:10:40.104 --> 01:10:41.105
conventions coming up,

01:10:41.185 --> 01:10:43.627
Supercon out here in South Florida,

01:10:43.728 --> 01:10:46.250
and it's going to be my first massive

01:10:46.329 --> 01:10:47.251
real convention.

01:10:47.331 --> 01:10:47.912
So I don't know.

01:10:48.271 --> 01:10:49.393
Are you going to do the big one

01:10:49.412 --> 01:10:50.253
in Orlando this year?

01:10:52.295 --> 01:10:53.416
I might be able to do that one

01:10:53.456 --> 01:10:53.876
next year.

01:10:53.895 --> 01:10:55.197
I already got in contact with some of

01:10:55.216 --> 01:10:57.537
the people, but yeah, there's the,

01:11:00.377 --> 01:11:01.939
they're all difficult, but I think,

01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.319
I think we've got a good chance to,

01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:06.161
to get in line for one of those

01:11:06.201 --> 01:11:08.640
tables, but yeah, absolutely.

01:11:10.561 --> 01:11:11.643
Can't wait to see it, man.

01:11:12.283 --> 01:11:14.244
But everybody go out,

01:11:14.645 --> 01:11:16.907
give Ray a follow and stay tuned, man,

01:11:16.926 --> 01:11:18.488
because I'm going to get all these young

01:11:18.528 --> 01:11:20.750
guys on the podcast one day.

01:11:20.789 --> 01:11:22.230
We're going to have like a big.

01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.962
just fun-filled show where we learn about

01:11:26.042 --> 01:11:28.304
all these guys from all different walks of

01:11:28.363 --> 01:11:30.586
background and how they got to where they

01:11:30.645 --> 01:11:32.467
are today it's gonna be a lot of

01:11:32.507 --> 01:11:35.170
fun but ray thank you for bringing your

01:11:35.210 --> 01:11:37.972
worlds your honesty and your creativity to

01:11:38.332 --> 01:11:40.534
the united states department of nerds and

01:11:40.555 --> 01:11:43.537
to everyone watching if you love indie

01:11:43.578 --> 01:11:46.739
comics create our own stories and the

01:11:46.779 --> 01:11:49.403
people brave enough to build those stories

01:11:50.609 --> 01:11:52.530
Make sure you like, follow,

01:11:52.951 --> 01:11:55.814
and share because this is the United

01:11:55.833 --> 01:11:58.176
States Department of Nerds where indie

01:11:58.195 --> 01:12:00.277
comments come to life.

01:12:00.917 --> 01:12:03.000
The council is adjourned.