Get Me to the Gray

Can you change policing from the inside — or does the system just absorb you? That's the question retired NYPD lieutenant and highest-ranking whistleblower in department history Edwin Raymond has been living inside for years. This episode 4 of Get Me to the Gray was originally recorded live at Tattered Cover in Denver — now released with a host intro and outro that weren't there the first time. The world has caught up to this conversation. When we recorded it, ICE enforcement was something Denver was bracing for. Now it's something people are living through. Edwin and host Paula Lehman-Ewing cover prosecutorial power, restorative justice, cosmetic diversity in police reform, broken windows policing, and what the numbers out of New York actually show when a DA decides to use that office differently. They don't land in the same place. Neither will you.

This episode sets the stage for those questions to be asked more directly. We'll be doing just that on Sunday, April 26 at Tattered Cover (Colfax) when Get Me to the Gray hosts its second live event of the season with District Attorney Alexis King. Ticket proceeds from the April 26th Alexis King event benefit GRASP Denver.

Come be in the room. Register on Eventbrite.

Creators and Guests

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Host
Paula Lehman-Ewing
Host, Founder of COJA Services
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Composer
Chris Principe
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Producer
James Ewing
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Producer
Jamie Konegni
Marketing Director
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Writer
Jason Masino
Programs and Partnerships

What is Get Me to the Gray?

Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway.

COJA Services Inc. works with mission-driven organizations and brands that are clear on their values but struggle to translate that clarity into public-facing language. We help teams align internal narratives, reduce confusion before it becomes mistrust, and translate complexity into public understanding without relying on scripts, rhetoric, or generic AI language that strips voice and judgment.

If you're in the greater Denver metro area, register for our LIVE events at tinyurl.com/COJAEvents