Lindsay: Welcome, welcome to the Lifting Lindsay podcast.
I am so excited today to have Taryn Nettles on.
I think everybody who has been listening to my podcast for a while knows I'm
really picky about who I have on.
So, Taryn, if you didn't know that, just this is a compliment
to you because I am really picky.
Tarryn: Oh, I feel honored, like with you just saying that.
I'm just like, oh my gosh, I will, I will wear that badge like.
Lindsay: I, I love it.
No, I am really picky because I, I want people who I have followed
for a while who I feel like.
If I ever had a client that I didn't know how to help them, I could pass
them off to this person because this is their per, this is their specialty.
I don't just want people, I, I just recently hired a woman and, and we were
kind of talking about like who we, she was saying, do you want me to give you
a list of names that are big namers that maybe can come on your podcast?
I'm like, no.
'cause I probably will disagree with them.
Tarryn: Yeah, absolutely.
Lindsay: Do you know what I'm saying?
It's like, no, I'm actually really, really picky about who I have on here.
So I'm really excited.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna have you introduce yourself though.
Talk a little bit about your specialty.
You talk a lot about hormones.
If, if anybody who follows her on Instagram, we'll notice that.
But I also want to hear kind of your background.
I love hearing how people got into health and fitness and even coaching.
Tarryn: For me, like just kind of like going like way, way back.
Like I started like getting into health and fitness when I was in the Navy
because I didn't, I didn't really have a choice because I had to, you know, run
a mile and a half under a certain time.
I had to do so many sit-ups and pushups, like based upon my age group.
So I didn't really have a choice.
So I, you know, started off like most women.
Just cardio bunny doing all the cardio, not really a lot of lifting.
Um, and then that's when.
I actually started to get into lifting was through, through Gillis.
So my, my significant other, um, he's the one that brought me in and
started to show me the ropes on that.
And then I just fell in love with it and I just, I started training
and I was like, oh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna compete.
So I decided like I'm gonna compete in like my first, you know, figure
competition and going through all of that.
Needless to say, it wasn't the best experience of my life because, the coach I
had at the time wasn't really helping me.
I wasn't really responding that well.
Um, I dieted for six months and I only lost like five pounds.
So I know what that struggle's like with being told like, oh yeah, you
know, you're good, you're fine.
You're making all the progress.
You'll be ready.
And not being told like the truth.
And from that moment on, like that really sat with me and that's what
got me into the whole coaching space was like, I don't want any other woman
going through what I went through.
Having things like sugarcoated, give me the truth, don't, don't sugarcoat it.
And then during all of that time, I decided, I'm like,
well, I really wanna learn.
I want to educate myself.
If I'm gonna do this, I want to be the best I can be for people.
So I.
I got my bachelor's in nutrition and dietetics.
And then I wanted to further my education after that.
So I wanted to kind of tie the training component into the nutrition component
because, you know, at that time, like competing was like my thing.
I loved it.
I mean, I still love it.
I just don't, I just don't do it anymore.
Um, so I decided, I'm like, I'm gonna get my master's degree in exercise
science and advanced nutrition.
So I went ahead and I did that.
And then during all of that, I was working on just trying to,
you know, build my coaching up and try to try to figure it all out.
Um, and so once I graduated, I decided I was gonna compete again.
And I noticed that my body was just not responding very well.
I couldn't figure it out.
I was following everything to a tea, like from the diet to the training.
Like everything I had to do, I was, I was doing it, but just
something was not connecting and I didn't really know what it was.
And I just remember feeling like I'm so broken, like my body is broken.
Like I see all these women out here.
They're making the progress that I should be making and I'm not making it.
So that kind of led me down this rabbit hole of just trying to dig
a little bit deeper and figure out, well, there's there, there's more
to it than just calories and in, calories out because I'm doing all
of that, but nothing's happening.
Um, and at that time, Gillis, my significant other, he was actually
working in a hormone clinic.
So we decided, hey, let's kind of go down the rabbit hole and get your
hormones tested and see what's going on.
From that point on, like that was kind of like the game changer for me.
The aha moment of, okay, it's way deeper than just the calories
and calories out, you know, diet really hard, train really hard.
You know, I had like some hormonal issues going on, you know, thyroid.
Wasn't in the best place.
Um, I had some sex hormone imbalances that also play into thyroid function, and I
was like, okay, that, that was my problem.
So from that point on, I was like, I'm gonna learn everything and every,
and everything about this as much as I can learn to not only help
myself and recover myself, but also to be able to help other women who
felt the way I felt, just hopeless, broken, not happy in their body.
Because that's a really hard, hard place to be.
'cause I remember when I was in that place, just how low I felt.
I felt so low, I felt so depressed, and I was like, I, I gotta figure this out.
So that's what got me into the, like the functional space of just
looking deeper at things like, in regards to lining it up with, okay.
Here's fitness, here's your internal health.
Let's merge it together.
You know, because it, it is deeper.
It is deeper than just, just go work out and just eat or eat less and, and do more.
Um, which is kind of like the biggest pain in my side.
But that's, that's my backstory in a nutshell.
Lindsay: I love it.
Well, I mean, I, I, I don't love that you experienced that
because of the frustration.
At the same time, it's kind of a blessing though, because now look at where it's
pushed you, because if you hadn't had those experiences, you never, well, I,
I shouldn't say never, but maybe you wouldn't have gone down the rabbit hole
and been able to help other people.
Tarryn: Absolutely.
And I look at it as like the negative experiences, like they sucked at
the time, but it's lessons, it's lessons for something bigger.
And so that's, that's how I see it.
So yeah, you're a hundred percent right, like that's what pushed me
to be where I'm at in this moment.
Lindsay: Before we started recording, I, I kind of started going down
this question with you, and then I realized we need to hit record.
We need to have, need to, we need to have all this recorded, to help other people.
This is where I'm torn.
Tarryn: Mm-Hmm.
Lindsay: I feel like there's two camps.
And there's two camps of clients, and there's two camps of coaches, right?
There's clients who are like, oh, I, I think it's my hormones.
I think I'm broken, but really they're just not being compliant.
So there's that camp and then there's those that are just,
I kinda gave this description earlier to you that type A personality,
they will be so hardcore.
They will follow things to a t.
They will like die before they break and don't follow through what their
coach is asked them to do and, and yet they're not seeing the results.
Probably a lot of what you are experiencing, I mean,
you're somebody who's,
you were in the Navy, you know, hard, you know how to, you know, grit, you know how
to just like put your head down and do it.
So I wouldn't say that you fall into this category of, well,
you're just not following the plan.
Right.
But how do you know who you are?
Because there's so many voices too in fitness where sometimes I
feel like coaches that are like,
it's not hormones, just follow the plan, eat less.
Then there's the other coaches that are, it's all hormones.
And I'm like, where are the people that fall in the middle?
Like, those are my people.
I want them and I want their voices to be bigger, but I feel
like their voices aren't sexy.
It's not like cool, it's not inciting.
And so nobody turns to real wisdom.
But my main question for you is how do you know, as a woman,
which camp that you're in?
Tarryn: So the biggest, okay, the biggest thing is, is, you really
gotta be honest with yourself.
You need to self-reflect.
You need to call yourself out.
You know, if it's something where, if you're not fully following something
or being compliant internally, we know, like we know, it's just
something that maybe we don't wanna address or, you know what I'm saying?
Where you just, you don't wanna come to terms with it.
So I say, so I would say that would be the first place you need to start.
Um, and then for the person who like, you know, for like, without
a doubt, like you're like, no, like I'm Type A, you tell me what to do.
I will track my macros to the TI will get it on point.
Like every little thing is gonna be perfect.
Like, if you are that individual, it's like one of those situations
where you know you're that person.
But you also need to learn to unwind that, you know, so like in regards
to, like, is it like, is it hormonal?
Is it not hormonal?
Like what is it?
Again, it's, it's gray.
It's, it's a lot of gray.
It's not black or white.
It's not, oh, it's just hormones.
It's not hormones.
It's, it's a combination of both.
Because the more I, the more I coach people, like I, I'm learning
that, people conflict their own like hormonal issues on themselves.
Like for example, if we're talking about the people who's like very
type A, they're very wound tightly, they're living off of stress.
That's not a good place to be because that constant stress and perfectionism like.
That is stress, that is a hundred percent stress that you're putting on yourself.
So it's like if you end up having some kind of hormonal issue, like if I had
a client that came to me and you know, I, you can pick up on these people
who are wound so tightly, you gotta have a conversation of like, look,
we, we need to like decompress you.
You need to stop being wound so tightly, like.
It's not all or nothing, you know?
So that would be the place I would start with them and the ones who are
not consistent, rather than saying, oh, well I have hormone issues.
That's, you know, that's why I'm not making progress.
Let's be honest.
And let's talk about your lack of consistency.
So before you point the finger and say it's hormones, let's try to be consistent
first, and then we can address that.
Lindsay: I would say that most of the time, the question then that would
follow from clients would be, well, how long do I need to be consistent, right?
so how long?
Okay, cool.
I can be consistent for two days.
Tarryn: For a week.
Lindsay: is that, is that it
Tarryn: Right, exactly.
Yeah.
And it's just like, it, it takes time.
It's, you know, it's one of these things I think about like, when I have someone
who comes to me, and this is, this is like a pain in my side too, is when someone's
just like, I wanna look like this person.
You know?
Well, you'll never look like this person 'cause you're not this person.
But the biggest thing that you're missing that this individual has, that
you don't, is the consistency factor.
Like, they've been consistent for years on end, you know, and I, I don't wanna
like scare people and thinking like, oh my gosh, I gotta be like consistent for
five years before I start seeing progress.
And it's like, no, like start small.
Like, hey, I'm gonna be consistent, you know, for this week and then at
the end of the week, okay, I'm gonna be consistent next week and next week.
And just build the habits.
Those habits is what brings the consistency.
Lindsay: I love it.
I think that's so smart.
I, I really did wanna start this conversation just kind of letting
people know, like, we can't just blame hormones for everything,
Tarryn: Absolutely.
Lindsay: there, there are definitely those individuals.
That we can get them in a much better place so that they feel
better to even put in the work.
'cause sometimes with some people, maybe it's hormones aren't stopping
the work, but they're having a hard time even starting because
they feel so crappy because of it.
Tarryn: Yes.
And, and that's the other thing there too is, it's one of those
things like if you, like, you gotta address the lifestyle factors first.
Like, what's going on in your, in your life.
I like to go down a checklist with people before I even get
into the hormone world with them.
So if they're like, oh, I have a hormone issue, or let's say they
legitimately do have a hormone issue, we ran blood work, we, we saw the issue.
Before I even go into that, we have to have the foundational things down first.
Like.
People overlook the foundation, like they want to skip that and just
dive into the more advanced stuff, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
It's like, okay, let's back up.
Are we getting seven to eight hours of sleep?
Are we eating fruits and vegetables?
Are we consistent with following, you know, like whatever your macro plan is or
whatever your diet is, are you consistent?
Are you managing your stress?
Are you getting sunlight?
Are you having bowel movements every day?
You know, are you drinking water.
The basics matter so, so much.
And you know, before you even dive into that world, you gotta check off
those boxes first, because if those boxes are not checked off, it's,
it's not going to be a easy road for you, especially if you're trying
to skip from a all the way to Z.
It just, it won't work for you.
Lindsay: Do you know what?
As a coach, I will tell you, getting people to do the,
it is really fascinating.
I could tell somebody to do the weirdest thing in the world, so weird,
Tarryn: It?
Lindsay: will do it because they think there's something magic about it.
Tarryn: Yes.
Lindsay: But when I tell them to do the basics, it is like pulling teeth.
I have literally asked them to give me their, like first born.
I don't know.
It's, it is the wildest thing to me.
Tarryn: Yeah, well I think it, it's coming down to the, like extremism, you know,
like if you tell me do something extreme, okay, coach Lindsay told me to do this.
It's, it's extreme.
I'm gonna do it and it's gonna work and it's gonna be magical.
But lord forbid you say, please eat a fruit and vegetable.
Oh, no, no, I can't do that.
That's not gonna work for me.
You know?
So it's like, it's just the all or nothing and people are looking for, for magic.
It's the basics.
That's the quote unquote magic.
But that's not the sexy side of it.
You know?
Like that's the boring, like, oh, who cares about that?
But that's everything.
Lindsay: Mm-Hmm.
It really is.
I, so I love that you talk about how you have this checklist of basics
before you even go into the hormones, because, I feel like that right there
is a really good sign of a good coach.
We're not gonna skip the foundational stuff.
Because even if we found something with your blood work, it, it doesn't matter.
I mean, it still go back to the foundations, like that's, it
still needs to be addressed.
Tarryn: Absolutely, yes, a hundred percent.
'cause it's like, you know, if you're having all these issues, but
you haven't even, you never even really sat down to eat a fruit or
vegetable in your whole entire life.
Like we have to, we gotta start there.
We can't just.
We can't skip all these steps and expect magic because even with something like
as like something as like complicated, um, as hormone recovery, it's one of
those things where the simple things is what's going to get you there?
Not doing all this crazy stuff.
Just the simple things like there's power in simplicity.
Lindsay: Mm-Hmm.
Yep.
I love it.
Okay.
I'm gonna ask you, um, to talk about a few of your posts that I really, really like.
The first one you said, it's not that your metabolism is broken, damaged, or slow.
It's adapted to your lifestyle.
Okay?
Elaborate on that.
I love it.
Tarryn: So with that post, I think of the woman who is a chronic under eater,
you know, and, you know, she can't figure out like, why am I struggling
like with my, with my metabolism?
Like, what's, what's going on?
But it's like one of those things like you keep under eating and you're, you're
struggling here and you're thinking, or you're being told your metabolism's
broken when it's a easy fix, like.
Start eating more food or, you know, you are a stress case and you are like,
you're always stressed out to the max.
And you know, you can't figure out like, why is my metabolism not upregulating?
Why is it quote unquote broken?
And it's like, well, it's your stress.
Like your stress is killing your metabolism.
And I hate to use that like, as like an extreme term, but it's, it's so true.
You know, people don't understand.
Metabolism.
It's like a mirror to our lifestyle and what we do in our
day-to-Day life internally, our body is going to reflect that.
So if you are always eating low calories, if you are running yourself
into the ground, if you are chronically stressing over things internally, your
body is going to adapt to that because,
we have to understand that like our brain is always like searching for
things like, just to keep us safe.
You know, like, what's going on?
What's going on?
Oh my gosh, there's a lot of stress.
Okay, let's go ahead and let's, you know, downregulate some things, or, you know,
do whatever it has to do to keep us safe.
So it's just kind of like a, an adaptation to what you're doing and you know, kind
of like what I said earlier, like if there's an issue going on internally
with you, like with metabolism or your metabolism's quote unquote broken, or you
think it's broken, it's ultimately, and this may sound a little harsh, but it's
ultimately something that is your fault.
Now I understand like there's situations where it's like, you know.
Genetic components, like, you know, say hyperthyroidism, hashimoto's,
like it runs in the family.
I get that and I'm not disregarding that, but what we do in our day-to-Day
life, it's playing into that.
It's, it's causing things to adapt to, to what we do.
Lindsay: Hmm.
I, I often refer to it as like the light switch.
Like you may have the genetics, you may have that light switch
sitting right there, but you're the one who turns it on or off.
Tarryn: Yes.
Yes.
Lindsay: lifestyle, your choices every single day, I love that, that it is a
reflection of what you choose every day.
So typically when people say chronic undereating, but they're like, but
if I'm chronically undereating, then wouldn't I always be losing weight?
Therefore always be hitting my fat loss goals.
Tarryn: So that's a really good question.
Very good question.
And we have to, we have to think of it like this.
Like whenever I have a client that I am, I'm taking into a fat
loss, we have to understand that eating in a caloric deficit.
Is an intentional stressor that we're putting on our body.
So if you are someone where you are chronically undereating, you're
chronically dieting, um, or we'll just say undereating, you probably will
not achieve that goal of fat loss or have the quote unquote dream body that
you want because of all of the stress that you're conflicting on your body.
And it goes back to what I said, you know, a few minutes ago about how.
Your body is going to internally reflect off of what you're doing.
So if you're chronically putting a stress on your body of not undereating,
your body is going to a adapt to that and it's not going to feel
safe because it's not getting the energy it needs, and so therefore
it's going to downregulate systems.
And the little bit of energy that you are consuming, which energy,
I'm, I'm referring to calories, it's really gonna be put forth to the
things that need to keep you alive.
Like your, your vital organs, you keep you alive.
Um, so we have to think of it like that.
So it's, it's the stress component and when there's a lot of stress on the body.
Your body is not going to, it's not gonna cave in and be like, okay,
we're chronically undereating, or We're always dieting.
Let's just go ahead and magically lose weight.
We have to work with the body, not against the body.
Lindsay: I love that.
I love how you keep bringing up.
The body adapts and it will start.
And people often look at adaptation as, oh, it's a bad thing.
It's like, no, that actually the body is doing exactly what it's meant to do.
It's keeping you alive,
Tarryn: a hundred
Lindsay: and it's gonna say, okay, menstruation don't need that.
You need to live so that you can actually then take care of a baby.
But right now you're struggling living getting enough.
I'm just gonna stop that.
Like that's why it starts and it also becomes more efficient
with the energy that's coming in.
Tarryn: yes.
Lindsay: So what I found, is that clients who are chronic undereaters
and yet they're not losing weight.
It's like they found this, this almost, uh.
The sweet spot is the, wrong word, but it, it kind of is the sweet spot of
point where energy coming in is low enough to start turning systems off
or the body adapting it, becoming more efficient in a lot of ways, doing with
far less, but yet it's not low enough to keep pushing the drive of fat loss.
But it's low enough to lower, um, sex hormones, thyroid, and all of
these things that when those things are on point, you actually can have
a healthy fat loss phase phase.
Not fat, fat loss life,
Tarryn: Yes.
Lindsay: So that's kind of how I look at it.
What am I missing something there.
Tarryn: No, so that, I mean, that's a hundred percent like
you're on point with that because.
When you were talking about that, I kind of like, my brain went back to,
the famine days, you know, where there wasn't a lot of food or you know, for
people, but what they found, and I forget what study it was, I'll have to like
go back, I'm like drawing in a blank on this, this study here from way back when.
But basically like back then, like if you took like a man or woman and like
there's famine there, the males are more than likely going to end up dying than
the female because the female's body, it's so resilient, like to stress, to
adaptation, and that's why, you know, when we're not given enough energy, like
energy availability or food calories, you know, our systems downregulate
because of what is our purpose.
A woman's purpose in life is, hey.
Bare children and keep those children alive.
So our bodies are smart enough where it's like, okay, we're not getting enough food.
All right, we're gonna keep her alive.
There goes the sex hormones, the reproductive organs.
We're not sending energy to that.
We just need to send it to her vital organs to keep her alive
and keep her going because.
She has young to take care of, you know, so, so to speak.
So, no, you, you're a hundred percent like on point with that.
And when the body feels safe and you're giving it enough food and calories like
to, to function, like all the systems are quote unquote happy, you know, that's
when the body's going to lose weight is when it feels like it's safe and it's
not in a fight or flight mode of like.
Oh my gosh, I only have like so many calories available.
Like, let me just push it to what I need to keep me alive.
You know?
So that's, I think that's the biggest like misunderstanding for women in general,
especially when they are chronic dieters and they can't figure out, I don't
understand why I'm not losing weight.
And then you're like, well, you need to eat more.
And they, they can't wrap their brains around.
Well, that doesn't make sense, you know, but it's like, it makes perfect sense.
Lindsay: Yeah, especially, that's why I love the re the, a lot of people say
reverse dieting, but I, I actually love talking about like post diet recovery.
Tarryn: Yes.
Lindsay: feel like post diet recovery really does encompass the message of
what needs to happen post diet in that your body has adapted, as it should have.
And now it needs to go back to this flourishing.
You talked about famine, right?
So it is kind of a famine response, and now it needs to go
back to this flourishing, this feast response of, now I'm safe.
Now I can send energy to these systems in the body that, weren't getting it before.
It is interesting though, to hear a lot of people talk about, how well it.
If your body's not responding, I said, there's this sweet spot, right?
There's this sweet spot of you're getting all the, you're low enough
in calories where you're getting all of the negatives of a diet
without getting any of the positives.
So the negatives are your body's adapting.
You're, um, feeling sluggish, not feeling your best, but you're not
getting any of the positives of you're actually seeing fat loss.
So people will say, well, but it's.
It's calories and calories out.
Just push your calories lower.
So at what point do you finally say that?
That's insane.
Tarryn: I would say like that, that's insanity.
Or you're on like the insanity like wagon because you know, the definition
of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting, you
know, a different outcome each time.
I would say when you just keep taking calories lower and lower and
lower and you're, you know, having higher and higher energy output,
like you're exercising more, but.
Nothing is happening.
That's like, that's the, like, insanity of it.
And that's when it's like, okay, you need to, you need to kind of check yourself on
that in, in regards to what's going on.
Um, because I've had clients come to me, they've been caught up in that, you know,
vicious cycle and then I'm like, you know, all we have to do is we feed you more
food and things should start happening.
And sure enough, I.
That's what happened.
I mean, that's not like every case.
So I don't wanna like paint like the perfect picture.
Like, oh yeah, I, I can promise the world to you.
Most definitely not.
'cause there's a lot of different layers there, but in most instances, like when
I start feeding them more food and again, letting the body feel safe and like,
okay, energy availability, we're good.
That's when we'll start to see the progress.
Lindsay: I love that.
I love that.
Okay.
Let's shift gears a little bit.
I wanna talk about how sex hormones may impact metabolic rate.
Tarryn: Hmm.
Okay.
Lindsay: Because a lot of times people are like, well, they're, they're separate.
They're different.
They shouldn't, it's a natural thing for, you know, in men, testosterone just
comes down during a diet that's natural.
It doesn't impede fat loss of, you know, these bodybuilders or whatever.
Can you explain how it actually connects to their metabolism.
Tarryn: Absolutely.
So I don't, okay, so I don't wanna go down, I don't want to
go down a deep rabbit hole here.
So we'll just, we'll keep it very, the basic of the basic.
Okay.
So.
All of our systems play together.
Our systems do not work independently of one another.
So let's say for example, we have a woman who is estrogen dominant.
Okay?
So let's say she is.
We refer to as relative estrogen dominance, where your progesterone
is low relative to your estrogen.
That within itself can decrease thyroid function, or even if it's on the other
side of the fence, estrogen dominance, where estrogen's just very high, they
both can decrease our, our thyroid function, our metabolic rate, because
of what it's causing the liver to do.
So.
If there is really high estrogen, what it can cause is the liver
to produce a protein that can attach to free thyroid hormones.
So think free T four, free T three, and it can downregulate things because now those
free thyroid hormones are attached to a protein and they're not as bioavailable.
I.
So it can decrease our metabolic rate in regards to that.
Lindsay: Can a woman though go to her doctor, have her thyroid tested?
Her thyroid looks normal and fine, but yet it's not.
Tarryn: So yes, a hundred percent.
And let me kind of, let me explain this a little bit more.
So when it comes to like the thyroid, like being told, Hey, you're normal.
You gotta understand like when you're going to like say a, just
a regular doctor, like hormones is not their specialty or even, I hate
to say it, even an endocrinologist.
They're just looking at you in regards to, or your values in regards to clinical.
And when we're looking at clinical, you're in this pool of sickly people,
so to speak, and if they're like, oh, you're normal, but your values are not
normal, or maybe you feel some kind of way, you're like, well, I'm being told
I'm normal, but I don't feel normal.
You have to understand they're comparing it to a clinical reference
range and not necessarily like a optimal or functional reference range
where it's looking at your values in comparison to an optimal range for you.
Lindsay: Okay, and will sex hormones influence that?
So you go in, everything looks fine, thyroid.
So why check, why check sex hormones?
Tarryn: So,
Lindsay: people only focus on thyroid when they feel like there's
a problem with their metabolism.
That's kind of what I'm trying to get to.
Tarryn: You always want to check both because they both play into one another.
You know, like even like the hormone progesterone, if say a woman has
like lower progesterone, you know, well, there's receptors on the
thyroid for progesterone that can positively impact thyroid function.
So.
You wanna look at both because they, they both do play into one another.
Um, you know, even looking at things like your adrenals, for
example, you know, your adrenals and thyroid, they're on the same access.
And your adrenals, you know, cortisol comes from those.
So if there's something going on there that can also, you know, decrease
thyroid function or, or metabolic rate.
Lindsay: Okay, so then cortisol has a direct link to metabolism as well, like
Tarryn: Technically Yes.
Lindsay: so indirect you would say.
Tarryn: I would say, well, it absolutely can.
Like I would say directly, but indirectly.
I know that's kind of like a yes but no.
Lindsay: A safe answer.
Tarryn: Yes, exactly.
Well, let's say it depends.
That's that's
Lindsay: you go.
Tarryn: But I mean, like if you have someone where, you know, their
cortisol's just off the charts.
And then again, going back to the place of internally, your body is so stressed
out, you know, like it will cause the thyroid or metabolism to adapt and be
lower because it doesn't feel safe.
Lindsay: Okay.
That's really interesting.
It's interesting because we live in a world where all of our, for the most part,
the people listening to this podcast.
Most, uh, I mean most of their needs are met and so oftentimes it's really
hard when so much stress nowadays I feel like is very self-induced.
Tarryn: Yes.
Lindsay: That's hard.
That's hard as a coach to address that because it's like, I just think you need
to calm down a little bit, you know?
Tarryn: a hundred percent.
Like it's, it's one of those things like, I know, like I was doing like,
you know, my, my birthday was this past weekend and I always like to kind of
look back and do like self-reflection on the last year of my life.
Like what are some things I've learned?
And one of the biggest things I remember I wrote down in my journal was,
I create my own stress and my own problems in my head by overthinking things.
And when I, when I wrote that down, I was just like, I mean, I already knew this,
but like that light bulb kind of got a little brighter and I was like, this is,
this is the problem with some clients.
Like y'all are just creating it in your head and you're thinking
things are worse than what it is, or this is such a problem.
It's, it's here.
It's your overthinking that's causing the problems.
That's causing the stress.
Lindsay: Mm-Hmm, 100%.
That is a hard point to coach on.
I often refer people to the book, loving What is by Brian, uh, uh, Byron.
Sorry, Byron Katie, it's the work.
Of letting go.
And a lot of times the the stress is because we are
holding on, we want control.
we
Tarryn: Mm-Hmm
Lindsay: can't let it go.
If we worry about it, if we think about it, then it almost won't
happen or we think it will happen.
And it's like, no, the real work in life is learning to love what is and let go
of so much her book to those listening, this is the second time in the past
month that I've thrown that out there.
'cause I, I do think that it is.
Really, really, really important.
You said a lot of times you just feeding people, they'll start feeling better.
And another post that you wrote, you said the solution to hypothyroidism is not
just increase calories and lift weights.
There's layers to it.
I love that you brought this up because.
I probably would say I am one of those coaches who too often lean to that because
for majority of people doing it does help.
It's like the biggest mover.
If you're looking at all the little rocks and the big rocks, it's like just
walk, get sunlight, lift weights, eat more around maintenance, learn to thrive
there, and you just watch people blossom.
But not everybody.
Not everybody.
So let's speak now a little bit to those that maybe the reverse dieting
isn't the solution and, and all of a sudden they found that, no,
actually I put on tons of weight.
I'm in a worse place and now I'm even more frustrated.
Tarryn: So with that, you know, again, it, it can go back to the lifestyle.
It can go back to like.
mental health too.
Like that's a really, really big one there.
But, you know, for like these individuals, it is about looking, looking deeper, like
pulling back the layers to figure out, well why is, you know, is there maybe an
underlining root issue like internally, like with your health markers that.
Have never been addressed.
You know, is it maybe, um, the types of foods that you're eating, you
know, you're not getting, you know, specific nutrients that you need to
thrive and, you know, the thyroid's like going under because of that.
you know, It's just a lot of like lifestyle factors, you know,
play, play into those people.
But then again, it, it could be deeper rooted, so it's just.
It's gray.
It's, it's a lot of gray with that too.
Lindsay: At what point do you start looking at gut health?
Tarryn: Well for me specifically, um, I'm not like, I'm not.
In the gut health, like scope.
Like if I said, if I said I was, I'd be lying.
Um, I look at like the hormone component, thyroid component.
Um, yes, gut plays into all of that stuff.
But there's, like, for me, you know, I know enough to be dangerous, but that's
not like my, my scope of practice.
So if I had someone where, we were having gut issues.
The first place that I would probably start with is, okay,
let's look at your diet.
Let's look at your stress.
Because those are the biggest things here that can play into that.
Like I know, um, I had some clients, like stress was extremely high.
They were not going to the bathroom, they weren't having any bowel movements.
And before like diving into like the gut and just throwing all these
different protocols and stuff at people.
Let's start simple.
Let's address your stress, let's dive into your lifestyle and let's pull back
your layers and see what we can find.
And most of the time in these situations, it's the matter of stress
that's causing the GI issues, you know?
Um, that's of course not to disregard actual GI issues 'cause
they're real and they exist.
It's just, for me that's, you know, that's just not my, my
area that I, I like to get into.
If there's a severe issue, I will go ahead and, Hey, let's, let's go meet up
with, you know, this coach who specializes in it and see what we can, we can do.
Lindsay: Mm-Hmm.
I love that you said that as sometimes I think, uh, coaches, try to speak on
everything for everyone and it's, you can always trust somebody who says,
you know, that's not my specialty.
Tarryn: Absolutely.
Lindsay: I know enough to have like, oh, to see red flags, and then to
guide you to somebody who knows better.
And that's kind of how I feel about hormones is.
I know enough to see red flags, and I can refer you to somebody
who's gonna help you a lot more.
I will touch on these basics, and if we're doing all these basics and the
foundational things, and sometimes it heals itself, if it doesn't, I'm
gonna pass you off to somebody else.
And so I, I think that that's really good.
As coaches, I think it's really good that we know our space.
We're not therapists.
Sometimes we try to be,
Tarryn: Yes.
Yeah, that, that's a big one too.
And
Lindsay: hard.
Tarryn: I, it is, it is really hard.
I say this a lot, like for some people, you know, it's one of those things
like, look, if you have like deep, like really, really like deeply rooted issues,
like that's affecting like your mental health, you don't need a nutrition coach.
You need a therapist, like.
Go work out your stuff and then you can kind of circle back around to me.
But I, if there's a lot of stuff going on there, I can't help you until you
learn how to help yourself with coping or working through, you know, whatever
you're dealing with, like mentally or trauma or whatever you're holding onto.
Lindsay: Hmm.
Yes, 100%.
Oh my goodness.
I love this conversation.
I'm so glad I had you on.
Is there anything that comes to your mind that you just kind of wish, one
last thing that you just wish if, if women just understood this one thing
or these two things, I wish that more women would do this for their health.
What would that be?
Tarryn: Eat food and lift weights.
And what I mean by eat food is not like diet.
Stay out of a deficit and lift weights and actually push yourself.
Don't be as, don't be afraid to lift heavy challenge yourself, because those
two things I swear it can probably solve like 90% of your problems
if you just did those two things.
Lindsay: Yep.
100%.
I love it.
Okay.
Thank you so, so much for coming on.
It has been amazing.
Um, in the notes, we're gonna have a link.
Do you have a website?
Is it your Instagram account?
What is the best way for people to get ahold of you?
Tarryn: Instagram would be the
Lindsay: best.
That's true.
Okay.
We'll put a link to your handle in the show notes so that those that feel
like they need a little bit more of you in their life can reach out to you
and so that you can help more people.
I love it.
Empower more women.
Tarryn: Thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Lindsay: Of course.
We'll talk to you later.