WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:05.895 --> 00:00:09.735 Lindsay: Welcome, welcome to the Lifting Lindsay podcast. 00:00:09.735 --> 00:00:13.995 I am so excited today to have Taryn Nettles on. 00:00:14.715 --> 00:00:20.535 I think everybody who has been listening to my podcast for a while knows I'm 00:00:20.535 --> 00:00:22.455 really picky about who I have on. 00:00:22.845 --> 00:00:27.165 So, Taryn, if you didn't know that, just this is a compliment 00:00:27.165 --> 00:00:28.995 to you because I am really picky. 00:00:29.391 --> 00:00:31.701 Tarryn: Oh, I feel honored, like with you just saying that. 00:00:31.701 --> 00:00:36.051 I'm just like, oh my gosh, I will, I will wear that badge like. 00:00:37.578 --> 00:00:38.703 Lindsay: I, I love it. 00:00:39.003 --> 00:00:43.863 No, I am really picky because I, I want people who I have followed 00:00:43.863 --> 00:00:46.953 for a while who I feel like. 00:00:47.628 --> 00:00:51.528 If I ever had a client that I didn't know how to help them, I could pass 00:00:51.528 --> 00:00:56.418 them off to this person because this is their per, this is their specialty. 00:00:56.908 --> 00:01:01.858 I don't just want people, I, I just recently hired a woman and, and we were 00:01:01.863 --> 00:01:05.488 kind of talking about like who we, she was saying, do you want me to give you 00:01:05.488 --> 00:01:09.568 a list of names that are big namers that maybe can come on your podcast? 00:01:09.573 --> 00:01:10.708 I'm like, no. 00:01:10.708 --> 00:01:12.508 'cause I probably will disagree with them. 00:01:13.508 --> 00:01:15.218 Tarryn: Yeah, absolutely. 00:01:15.683 --> 00:01:16.673 Lindsay: Do you know what I'm saying? 00:01:16.673 --> 00:01:20.273 It's like, no, I'm actually really, really picky about who I have on here. 00:01:20.273 --> 00:01:22.523 So I'm really excited. 00:01:22.523 --> 00:01:25.103 I'm gonna, I'm gonna have you introduce yourself though. 00:01:25.403 --> 00:01:29.063 Talk a little bit about your specialty. 00:01:29.363 --> 00:01:30.893 You talk a lot about hormones. 00:01:31.223 --> 00:01:34.523 If, if anybody who follows her on Instagram, we'll notice that. 00:01:34.963 --> 00:01:36.973 But I also want to hear kind of your background. 00:01:36.973 --> 00:01:42.883 I love hearing how people got into health and fitness and even coaching. 00:01:43.433 --> 00:01:48.263 Tarryn: For me, like just kind of like going like way, way back. 00:01:48.263 --> 00:01:52.283 Like I started like getting into health and fitness when I was in the Navy 00:01:52.288 --> 00:01:58.313 because I didn't, I didn't really have a choice because I had to, you know, run 00:01:58.613 --> 00:02:00.803 a mile and a half under a certain time. 00:02:00.808 --> 00:02:04.883 I had to do so many sit-ups and pushups, like based upon my age group. 00:02:05.183 --> 00:02:07.133 So I didn't really have a choice. 00:02:07.163 --> 00:02:10.703 So I, you know, started off like most women. 00:02:11.633 --> 00:02:16.133 Just cardio bunny doing all the cardio, not really a lot of lifting. 00:02:16.283 --> 00:02:18.683 Um, and then that's when. 00:02:19.313 --> 00:02:23.873 I actually started to get into lifting was through, through Gillis. 00:02:23.873 --> 00:02:27.923 So my, my significant other, um, he's the one that brought me in and 00:02:27.923 --> 00:02:29.903 started to show me the ropes on that. 00:02:29.903 --> 00:02:35.093 And then I just fell in love with it and I just, I started training 00:02:35.093 --> 00:02:38.243 and I was like, oh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna compete. 00:02:38.243 --> 00:02:41.663 So I decided like I'm gonna compete in like my first, you know, figure 00:02:41.663 --> 00:02:46.103 competition and going through all of that. 00:02:46.133 --> 00:02:50.163 Needless to say, it wasn't the best experience of my life because, the coach I 00:02:50.163 --> 00:02:52.593 had at the time wasn't really helping me. 00:02:52.598 --> 00:02:55.203 I wasn't really responding that well. 00:02:55.203 --> 00:03:00.183 Um, I dieted for six months and I only lost like five pounds. 00:03:00.553 --> 00:03:06.463 So I know what that struggle's like with being told like, oh yeah, you 00:03:06.463 --> 00:03:07.573 know, you're good, you're fine. 00:03:07.573 --> 00:03:08.653 You're making all the progress. 00:03:08.653 --> 00:03:09.853 You'll be ready. 00:03:10.198 --> 00:03:12.568 And not being told like the truth. 00:03:12.628 --> 00:03:17.728 And from that moment on, like that really sat with me and that's what 00:03:17.728 --> 00:03:23.308 got me into the whole coaching space was like, I don't want any other woman 00:03:23.308 --> 00:03:25.408 going through what I went through. 00:03:25.408 --> 00:03:30.288 Having things like sugarcoated, give me the truth, don't, don't sugarcoat it. 00:03:30.718 --> 00:03:33.538 And then during all of that time, I decided, I'm like, 00:03:33.538 --> 00:03:34.978 well, I really wanna learn. 00:03:34.978 --> 00:03:36.688 I want to educate myself. 00:03:36.688 --> 00:03:40.828 If I'm gonna do this, I want to be the best I can be for people. 00:03:40.828 --> 00:03:41.743 So I. 00:03:41.893 --> 00:03:46.063 I got my bachelor's in nutrition and dietetics. 00:03:46.373 --> 00:03:50.003 And then I wanted to further my education after that. 00:03:50.123 --> 00:03:55.853 So I wanted to kind of tie the training component into the nutrition component 00:03:55.858 --> 00:03:59.963 because, you know, at that time, like competing was like my thing. 00:03:59.963 --> 00:04:00.563 I loved it. 00:04:00.563 --> 00:04:01.793 I mean, I still love it. 00:04:02.048 --> 00:04:04.178 I just don't, I just don't do it anymore. 00:04:04.508 --> 00:04:08.948 Um, so I decided, I'm like, I'm gonna get my master's degree in exercise 00:04:08.948 --> 00:04:10.538 science and advanced nutrition. 00:04:10.538 --> 00:04:14.108 So I went ahead and I did that. 00:04:14.108 --> 00:04:18.548 And then during all of that, I was working on just trying to, 00:04:18.608 --> 00:04:22.838 you know, build my coaching up and try to try to figure it all out. 00:04:23.348 --> 00:04:28.628 Um, and so once I graduated, I decided I was gonna compete again. 00:04:29.258 --> 00:04:33.278 And I noticed that my body was just not responding very well. 00:04:33.308 --> 00:04:34.538 I couldn't figure it out. 00:04:34.538 --> 00:04:40.028 I was following everything to a tea, like from the diet to the training. 00:04:40.028 --> 00:04:44.228 Like everything I had to do, I was, I was doing it, but just 00:04:44.228 --> 00:04:47.078 something was not connecting and I didn't really know what it was. 00:04:47.078 --> 00:04:52.838 And I just remember feeling like I'm so broken, like my body is broken. 00:04:52.838 --> 00:04:54.848 Like I see all these women out here. 00:04:55.253 --> 00:04:59.513 They're making the progress that I should be making and I'm not making it. 00:04:59.873 --> 00:05:04.583 So that kind of led me down this rabbit hole of just trying to dig 00:05:04.583 --> 00:05:09.083 a little bit deeper and figure out, well, there's there, there's more 00:05:09.083 --> 00:05:12.593 to it than just calories and in, calories out because I'm doing all 00:05:12.593 --> 00:05:14.093 of that, but nothing's happening. 00:05:14.573 --> 00:05:19.623 Um, and at that time, Gillis, my significant other, he was actually 00:05:19.628 --> 00:05:21.123 working in a hormone clinic. 00:05:21.393 --> 00:05:26.328 So we decided, hey, let's kind of go down the rabbit hole and get your 00:05:26.328 --> 00:05:28.608 hormones tested and see what's going on. 00:05:29.088 --> 00:05:32.508 From that point on, like that was kind of like the game changer for me. 00:05:32.868 --> 00:05:38.988 The aha moment of, okay, it's way deeper than just the calories 00:05:38.988 --> 00:05:42.078 and calories out, you know, diet really hard, train really hard. 00:05:42.643 --> 00:05:46.698 You know, I had like some hormonal issues going on, you know, thyroid. 00:05:47.088 --> 00:05:48.768 Wasn't in the best place. 00:05:48.858 --> 00:05:56.088 Um, I had some sex hormone imbalances that also play into thyroid function, and I 00:05:56.088 --> 00:05:58.398 was like, okay, that, that was my problem. 00:05:58.398 --> 00:06:02.838 So from that point on, I was like, I'm gonna learn everything and every, 00:06:02.898 --> 00:06:08.058 and everything about this as much as I can learn to not only help 00:06:08.058 --> 00:06:12.888 myself and recover myself, but also to be able to help other women who 00:06:13.473 --> 00:06:18.003 felt the way I felt, just hopeless, broken, not happy in their body. 00:06:18.383 --> 00:06:20.693 Because that's a really hard, hard place to be. 00:06:20.693 --> 00:06:25.463 'cause I remember when I was in that place, just how low I felt. 00:06:25.463 --> 00:06:31.163 I felt so low, I felt so depressed, and I was like, I, I gotta figure this out. 00:06:31.163 --> 00:06:35.873 So that's what got me into the, like the functional space of just 00:06:35.873 --> 00:06:41.283 looking deeper at things like, in regards to lining it up with, okay. 00:06:41.628 --> 00:06:43.908 Here's fitness, here's your internal health. 00:06:44.568 --> 00:06:45.768 Let's merge it together. 00:06:45.858 --> 00:06:48.018 You know, because it, it is deeper. 00:06:48.018 --> 00:06:53.208 It is deeper than just, just go work out and just eat or eat less and, and do more. 00:06:53.628 --> 00:06:56.418 Um, which is kind of like the biggest pain in my side. 00:06:56.418 --> 00:07:01.068 But that's, that's my backstory in a nutshell. 00:07:01.488 --> 00:07:02.148 Lindsay: I love it. 00:07:02.178 --> 00:07:07.308 Well, I mean, I, I, I don't love that you experienced that 00:07:07.308 --> 00:07:08.208 because of the frustration. 00:07:08.208 --> 00:07:13.458 At the same time, it's kind of a blessing though, because now look at where it's 00:07:13.458 --> 00:07:18.649 pushed you, because if you hadn't had those experiences, you never, well, I, 00:07:18.654 --> 00:07:24.198 I shouldn't say never, but maybe you wouldn't have gone down the rabbit hole 00:07:24.198 --> 00:07:26.178 and been able to help other people. 00:07:26.823 --> 00:07:27.573 Tarryn: Absolutely. 00:07:27.573 --> 00:07:31.568 And I look at it as like the negative experiences, like they sucked at 00:07:31.568 --> 00:07:36.520 the time, but it's lessons, it's lessons for something bigger. 00:07:36.525 --> 00:07:38.320 And so that's, that's how I see it. 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:41.905 So yeah, you're a hundred percent right, like that's what pushed me 00:07:41.905 --> 00:07:44.605 to be where I'm at in this moment. 00:07:45.011 --> 00:07:48.641 Lindsay: Before we started recording, I, I kind of started going down 00:07:48.641 --> 00:07:51.941 this question with you, and then I realized we need to hit record. 00:07:52.316 --> 00:07:57.371 We need to have, need to, we need to have all this recorded, to help other people. 00:07:57.381 --> 00:07:59.031 This is where I'm torn. 00:07:59.251 --> 00:07:59.671 Tarryn: Mm-Hmm. 00:08:00.301 --> 00:08:04.041 Lindsay: I feel like there's two camps. 00:08:04.091 --> 00:08:07.601 And there's two camps of clients, and there's two camps of coaches, right? 00:08:08.051 --> 00:08:13.821 There's clients who are like, oh, I, I think it's my hormones. 00:08:13.911 --> 00:08:19.131 I think I'm broken, but really they're just not being compliant. 00:08:19.131 --> 00:08:22.551 So there's that camp and then there's those that are just, 00:08:23.481 --> 00:08:27.111 I kinda gave this description earlier to you that type A personality, 00:08:27.111 --> 00:08:29.091 they will be so hardcore. 00:08:29.121 --> 00:08:30.931 They will follow things to a t. 00:08:30.951 --> 00:08:36.561 They will like die before they break and don't follow through what their 00:08:36.621 --> 00:08:42.591 coach is asked them to do and, and yet they're not seeing the results. 00:08:43.935 --> 00:08:45.895 Probably a lot of what you are experiencing, I mean, 00:08:45.915 --> 00:08:47.170 you're somebody who's, 00:08:47.740 --> 00:08:52.900 you were in the Navy, you know, hard, you know how to, you know, grit, you know how 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:54.520 to just like put your head down and do it. 00:08:55.180 --> 00:09:00.160 So I wouldn't say that you fall into this category of, well, 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:01.690 you're just not following the plan. 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:02.020 Right. 00:09:02.110 --> 00:09:04.330 But how do you know who you are? 00:09:04.870 --> 00:09:09.520 Because there's so many voices too in fitness where sometimes I 00:09:09.520 --> 00:09:11.630 feel like coaches that are like, 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:15.140 it's not hormones, just follow the plan, eat less. 00:09:15.140 --> 00:09:18.230 Then there's the other coaches that are, it's all hormones. 00:09:18.800 --> 00:09:20.990 And I'm like, where are the people that fall in the middle? 00:09:21.260 --> 00:09:23.090 Like, those are my people. 00:09:23.090 --> 00:09:27.050 I want them and I want their voices to be bigger, but I feel 00:09:27.050 --> 00:09:28.850 like their voices aren't sexy. 00:09:28.855 --> 00:09:31.880 It's not like cool, it's not inciting. 00:09:31.880 --> 00:09:35.720 And so nobody turns to real wisdom. 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:40.790 But my main question for you is how do you know, as a woman, 00:09:40.790 --> 00:09:42.350 which camp that you're in? 00:09:42.976 --> 00:09:47.236 Tarryn: So the biggest, okay, the biggest thing is, is, you really 00:09:47.236 --> 00:09:48.766 gotta be honest with yourself. 00:09:48.766 --> 00:09:50.296 You need to self-reflect. 00:09:50.296 --> 00:09:53.476 You need to call yourself out. 00:09:53.476 --> 00:09:57.346 You know, if it's something where, if you're not fully following something 00:09:57.346 --> 00:10:02.446 or being compliant internally, we know, like we know, it's just 00:10:02.446 --> 00:10:07.722 something that maybe we don't wanna address or, you know what I'm saying? 00:10:07.722 --> 00:10:09.642 Where you just, you don't wanna come to terms with it. 00:10:09.642 --> 00:10:13.542 So I say, so I would say that would be the first place you need to start. 00:10:13.872 --> 00:10:19.332 Um, and then for the person who like, you know, for like, without 00:10:19.332 --> 00:10:22.782 a doubt, like you're like, no, like I'm Type A, you tell me what to do. 00:10:22.782 --> 00:10:26.382 I will track my macros to the TI will get it on point. 00:10:26.382 --> 00:10:28.787 Like every little thing is gonna be perfect. 00:10:29.787 --> 00:10:34.412 Like, if you are that individual, it's like one of those situations 00:10:34.412 --> 00:10:36.842 where you know you're that person. 00:10:37.162 --> 00:10:43.387 But you also need to learn to unwind that, you know, so like in regards 00:10:43.387 --> 00:10:46.417 to, like, is it like, is it hormonal? 00:10:46.417 --> 00:10:47.767 Is it not hormonal? 00:10:47.767 --> 00:10:49.267 Like what is it? 00:10:49.747 --> 00:10:51.097 Again, it's, it's gray. 00:10:51.097 --> 00:10:52.267 It's, it's a lot of gray. 00:10:52.267 --> 00:10:53.557 It's not black or white. 00:10:53.557 --> 00:10:55.747 It's not, oh, it's just hormones. 00:10:55.987 --> 00:10:57.127 It's not hormones. 00:10:57.787 --> 00:10:59.497 It's, it's a combination of both. 00:10:59.497 --> 00:11:04.867 Because the more I, the more I coach people, like I, I'm learning 00:11:04.867 --> 00:11:11.147 that, people conflict their own like hormonal issues on themselves. 00:11:11.147 --> 00:11:14.657 Like for example, if we're talking about the people who's like very 00:11:14.662 --> 00:11:19.367 type A, they're very wound tightly, they're living off of stress. 00:11:20.117 --> 00:11:25.337 That's not a good place to be because that constant stress and perfectionism like. 00:11:25.727 --> 00:11:29.987 That is stress, that is a hundred percent stress that you're putting on yourself. 00:11:30.257 --> 00:11:35.597 So it's like if you end up having some kind of hormonal issue, like if I had 00:11:35.597 --> 00:11:39.767 a client that came to me and you know, I, you can pick up on these people 00:11:39.767 --> 00:11:44.417 who are wound so tightly, you gotta have a conversation of like, look, 00:11:44.417 --> 00:11:46.967 we, we need to like decompress you. 00:11:46.967 --> 00:11:50.207 You need to stop being wound so tightly, like. 00:11:50.537 --> 00:11:52.937 It's not all or nothing, you know? 00:11:52.937 --> 00:11:56.117 So that would be the place I would start with them and the ones who are 00:11:56.117 --> 00:12:00.347 not consistent, rather than saying, oh, well I have hormone issues. 00:12:00.352 --> 00:12:02.867 That's, you know, that's why I'm not making progress. 00:12:03.557 --> 00:12:04.697 Let's be honest. 00:12:04.757 --> 00:12:07.097 And let's talk about your lack of consistency. 00:12:07.097 --> 00:12:12.887 So before you point the finger and say it's hormones, let's try to be consistent 00:12:12.887 --> 00:12:16.877 first, and then we can address that. 00:12:17.137 --> 00:12:20.977 Lindsay: I would say that most of the time, the question then that would 00:12:20.977 --> 00:12:25.057 follow from clients would be, well, how long do I need to be consistent, right? 00:12:26.057 --> 00:12:26.657 so how long? 00:12:27.317 --> 00:12:27.767 Okay, cool. 00:12:27.767 --> 00:12:29.627 I can be consistent for two days. 00:12:29.777 --> 00:12:30.287 Tarryn: For a week. 00:12:30.617 --> 00:12:32.027 Lindsay: is that, is that it 00:12:33.017 --> 00:12:34.187 Tarryn: Right, exactly. 00:12:34.547 --> 00:12:34.847 Yeah. 00:12:34.847 --> 00:12:37.367 And it's just like, it, it takes time. 00:12:37.367 --> 00:12:41.357 It's, you know, it's one of these things I think about like, when I have someone 00:12:41.357 --> 00:12:45.227 who comes to me, and this is, this is like a pain in my side too, is when someone's 00:12:45.227 --> 00:12:47.687 just like, I wanna look like this person. 00:12:48.257 --> 00:12:48.647 You know? 00:12:48.647 --> 00:12:51.197 Well, you'll never look like this person 'cause you're not this person. 00:12:51.197 --> 00:12:54.677 But the biggest thing that you're missing that this individual has, that 00:12:54.677 --> 00:12:57.737 you don't, is the consistency factor. 00:12:57.737 --> 00:13:03.797 Like, they've been consistent for years on end, you know, and I, I don't wanna 00:13:03.797 --> 00:13:08.807 like scare people and thinking like, oh my gosh, I gotta be like consistent for 00:13:09.497 --> 00:13:11.957 five years before I start seeing progress. 00:13:11.962 --> 00:13:14.237 And it's like, no, like start small. 00:13:14.242 --> 00:13:18.527 Like, hey, I'm gonna be consistent, you know, for this week and then at 00:13:18.532 --> 00:13:21.467 the end of the week, okay, I'm gonna be consistent next week and next week. 00:13:21.472 --> 00:13:23.297 And just build the habits. 00:13:23.297 --> 00:13:25.727 Those habits is what brings the consistency. 00:13:26.612 --> 00:13:27.242 Lindsay: I love it. 00:13:27.302 --> 00:13:28.292 I think that's so smart. 00:13:28.292 --> 00:13:31.772 I, I really did wanna start this conversation just kind of letting 00:13:31.772 --> 00:13:37.362 people know, like, we can't just blame hormones for everything, 00:13:38.332 --> 00:13:38.772 Tarryn: Absolutely. 00:13:39.522 --> 00:13:43.692 Lindsay: there, there are definitely those individuals. 00:13:44.052 --> 00:13:48.972 That we can get them in a much better place so that they feel 00:13:48.972 --> 00:13:50.682 better to even put in the work. 00:13:50.682 --> 00:13:57.382 'cause sometimes with some people, maybe it's hormones aren't stopping 00:13:57.382 --> 00:14:00.442 the work, but they're having a hard time even starting because 00:14:00.442 --> 00:14:02.032 they feel so crappy because of it. 00:14:02.572 --> 00:14:03.292 Tarryn: Yes. 00:14:03.832 --> 00:14:07.082 And, and that's the other thing there too is, it's one of those 00:14:07.082 --> 00:14:10.772 things like if you, like, you gotta address the lifestyle factors first. 00:14:10.772 --> 00:14:13.142 Like, what's going on in your, in your life. 00:14:13.142 --> 00:14:16.022 I like to go down a checklist with people before I even get 00:14:16.022 --> 00:14:18.182 into the hormone world with them. 00:14:18.182 --> 00:14:21.302 So if they're like, oh, I have a hormone issue, or let's say they 00:14:21.302 --> 00:14:26.492 legitimately do have a hormone issue, we ran blood work, we, we saw the issue. 00:14:27.017 --> 00:14:33.197 Before I even go into that, we have to have the foundational things down first. 00:14:33.197 --> 00:14:33.527 Like. 00:14:34.127 --> 00:14:38.357 People overlook the foundation, like they want to skip that and just 00:14:38.357 --> 00:14:41.297 dive into the more advanced stuff, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no. 00:14:41.357 --> 00:14:43.007 It's like, okay, let's back up. 00:14:43.607 --> 00:14:45.707 Are we getting seven to eight hours of sleep? 00:14:45.887 --> 00:14:47.957 Are we eating fruits and vegetables? 00:14:47.957 --> 00:14:53.327 Are we consistent with following, you know, like whatever your macro plan is or 00:14:53.357 --> 00:14:55.397 whatever your diet is, are you consistent? 00:14:55.397 --> 00:14:57.107 Are you managing your stress? 00:14:57.107 --> 00:14:58.457 Are you getting sunlight? 00:14:58.907 --> 00:15:01.097 Are you having bowel movements every day? 00:15:01.307 --> 00:15:02.867 You know, are you drinking water. 00:15:02.947 --> 00:15:05.917 The basics matter so, so much. 00:15:05.977 --> 00:15:10.417 And you know, before you even dive into that world, you gotta check off 00:15:10.417 --> 00:15:16.927 those boxes first, because if those boxes are not checked off, it's, 00:15:16.987 --> 00:15:20.887 it's not going to be a easy road for you, especially if you're trying 00:15:20.917 --> 00:15:24.127 to skip from a all the way to Z. 00:15:24.217 --> 00:15:26.347 It just, it won't work for you. 00:15:27.092 --> 00:15:27.512 Lindsay: Do you know what? 00:15:27.512 --> 00:15:31.352 As a coach, I will tell you, getting people to do the, 00:15:31.412 --> 00:15:33.182 it is really fascinating. 00:15:33.482 --> 00:15:38.402 I could tell somebody to do the weirdest thing in the world, so weird, 00:15:39.112 --> 00:15:39.332 Tarryn: It? 00:15:39.457 --> 00:15:42.992 Lindsay: will do it because they think there's something magic about it. 00:15:43.302 --> 00:15:43.522 Tarryn: Yes. 00:15:44.282 --> 00:15:48.152 Lindsay: But when I tell them to do the basics, it is like pulling teeth. 00:15:48.652 --> 00:15:51.682 I have literally asked them to give me their, like first born. 00:15:51.772 --> 00:15:52.462 I don't know. 00:15:52.462 --> 00:15:55.642 It's, it is the wildest thing to me. 00:15:56.017 --> 00:16:00.757 Tarryn: Yeah, well I think it, it's coming down to the, like extremism, you know, 00:16:00.757 --> 00:16:07.357 like if you tell me do something extreme, okay, coach Lindsay told me to do this. 00:16:07.387 --> 00:16:08.377 It's, it's extreme. 00:16:08.377 --> 00:16:11.497 I'm gonna do it and it's gonna work and it's gonna be magical. 00:16:11.887 --> 00:16:15.097 But lord forbid you say, please eat a fruit and vegetable. 00:16:15.622 --> 00:16:17.902 Oh, no, no, I can't do that. 00:16:17.902 --> 00:16:19.402 That's not gonna work for me. 00:16:19.732 --> 00:16:20.122 You know? 00:16:20.122 --> 00:16:25.432 So it's like, it's just the all or nothing and people are looking for, for magic. 00:16:25.462 --> 00:16:26.512 It's the basics. 00:16:26.512 --> 00:16:28.312 That's the quote unquote magic. 00:16:28.672 --> 00:16:31.192 But that's not the sexy side of it. 00:16:31.312 --> 00:16:31.702 You know? 00:16:31.702 --> 00:16:34.372 Like that's the boring, like, oh, who cares about that? 00:16:34.372 --> 00:16:36.262 But that's everything. 00:16:36.387 --> 00:16:36.807 Lindsay: Mm-Hmm. 00:16:37.012 --> 00:16:37.912 It really is. 00:16:38.002 --> 00:16:38.632 It really is. 00:16:38.632 --> 00:16:43.342 I, so I love that you talk about how you have this checklist of basics 00:16:43.342 --> 00:16:47.117 before you even go into the hormones, because, I feel like that right there 00:16:47.122 --> 00:16:50.987 is a really good sign of a good coach. 00:16:51.167 --> 00:16:54.317 We're not gonna skip the foundational stuff. 00:16:54.317 --> 00:17:00.137 Because even if we found something with your blood work, it, it doesn't matter. 00:17:00.142 --> 00:17:03.077 I mean, it still go back to the foundations, like that's, it 00:17:03.077 --> 00:17:04.427 still needs to be addressed. 00:17:04.757 --> 00:17:07.127 Tarryn: Absolutely, yes, a hundred percent. 00:17:07.127 --> 00:17:09.647 'cause it's like, you know, if you're having all these issues, but 00:17:09.647 --> 00:17:13.577 you haven't even, you never even really sat down to eat a fruit or 00:17:13.577 --> 00:17:16.007 vegetable in your whole entire life. 00:17:16.577 --> 00:17:18.917 Like we have to, we gotta start there. 00:17:18.917 --> 00:17:19.847 We can't just. 00:17:20.177 --> 00:17:26.087 We can't skip all these steps and expect magic because even with something like 00:17:26.597 --> 00:17:32.237 as like something as like complicated, um, as hormone recovery, it's one of 00:17:32.242 --> 00:17:37.907 those things where the simple things is what's going to get you there? 00:17:37.967 --> 00:17:39.977 Not doing all this crazy stuff. 00:17:39.977 --> 00:17:43.532 Just the simple things like there's power in simplicity. 00:17:44.207 --> 00:17:44.387 Lindsay: Mm-Hmm. 00:17:44.717 --> 00:17:45.017 Yep. 00:17:45.047 --> 00:17:45.707 I love it. 00:17:45.947 --> 00:17:46.187 Okay. 00:17:46.187 --> 00:17:51.347 I'm gonna ask you, um, to talk about a few of your posts that I really, really like. 00:17:51.347 --> 00:17:57.717 The first one you said, it's not that your metabolism is broken, damaged, or slow. 00:17:58.497 --> 00:18:01.497 It's adapted to your lifestyle. 00:18:02.067 --> 00:18:02.307 Okay? 00:18:02.337 --> 00:18:03.597 Elaborate on that. 00:18:03.597 --> 00:18:04.407 I love it. 00:18:05.112 --> 00:18:12.245 Tarryn: So with that post, I think of the woman who is a chronic under eater, 00:18:12.575 --> 00:18:16.355 you know, and, you know, she can't figure out like, why am I struggling 00:18:16.355 --> 00:18:18.755 like with my, with my metabolism? 00:18:18.755 --> 00:18:20.555 Like, what's, what's going on? 00:18:20.555 --> 00:18:25.325 But it's like one of those things like you keep under eating and you're, you're 00:18:25.325 --> 00:18:28.385 struggling here and you're thinking, or you're being told your metabolism's 00:18:28.385 --> 00:18:34.205 broken when it's a easy fix, like. 00:18:35.015 --> 00:18:40.385 Start eating more food or, you know, you are a stress case and you are like, 00:18:40.385 --> 00:18:42.425 you're always stressed out to the max. 00:18:42.425 --> 00:18:47.645 And you know, you can't figure out like, why is my metabolism not upregulating? 00:18:47.645 --> 00:18:49.625 Why is it quote unquote broken? 00:18:49.625 --> 00:18:52.475 And it's like, well, it's your stress. 00:18:52.475 --> 00:18:55.505 Like your stress is killing your metabolism. 00:18:55.625 --> 00:19:00.845 And I hate to use that like, as like an extreme term, but it's, it's so true. 00:19:00.850 --> 00:19:02.555 You know, people don't understand. 00:19:03.335 --> 00:19:04.205 Metabolism. 00:19:04.205 --> 00:19:08.705 It's like a mirror to our lifestyle and what we do in our 00:19:08.705 --> 00:19:13.205 day-to-Day life internally, our body is going to reflect that. 00:19:13.205 --> 00:19:18.755 So if you are always eating low calories, if you are running yourself 00:19:18.760 --> 00:19:25.025 into the ground, if you are chronically stressing over things internally, your 00:19:25.025 --> 00:19:27.545 body is going to adapt to that because, 00:19:28.010 --> 00:19:31.730 we have to understand that like our brain is always like searching for 00:19:31.730 --> 00:19:33.410 things like, just to keep us safe. 00:19:33.590 --> 00:19:34.700 You know, like, what's going on? 00:19:34.700 --> 00:19:35.240 What's going on? 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:36.590 Oh my gosh, there's a lot of stress. 00:19:36.620 --> 00:19:41.450 Okay, let's go ahead and let's, you know, downregulate some things, or, you know, 00:19:41.455 --> 00:19:43.670 do whatever it has to do to keep us safe. 00:19:43.675 --> 00:19:49.985 So it's just kind of like a, an adaptation to what you're doing and you know, kind 00:19:49.985 --> 00:19:54.395 of like what I said earlier, like if there's an issue going on internally 00:19:54.395 --> 00:19:59.555 with you, like with metabolism or your metabolism's quote unquote broken, or you 00:19:59.555 --> 00:20:03.755 think it's broken, it's ultimately, and this may sound a little harsh, but it's 00:20:03.755 --> 00:20:07.235 ultimately something that is your fault. 00:20:07.355 --> 00:20:10.505 Now I understand like there's situations where it's like, you know. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.140 Genetic components, like, you know, say hyperthyroidism, hashimoto's, 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:16.460 like it runs in the family. 00:20:16.760 --> 00:20:21.800 I get that and I'm not disregarding that, but what we do in our day-to-Day 00:20:21.800 --> 00:20:24.860 life, it's playing into that. 00:20:24.860 --> 00:20:30.080 It's, it's causing things to adapt to, to what we do. 00:20:30.725 --> 00:20:30.965 Lindsay: Hmm. 00:20:31.235 --> 00:20:33.905 I, I often refer to it as like the light switch. 00:20:33.905 --> 00:20:37.175 Like you may have the genetics, you may have that light switch 00:20:37.175 --> 00:20:39.725 sitting right there, but you're the one who turns it on or off. 00:20:39.785 --> 00:20:40.745 Tarryn: Yes. 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:41.100 Yes. 00:20:41.260 --> 00:20:46.450 Lindsay: lifestyle, your choices every single day, I love that, that it is a 00:20:46.450 --> 00:20:48.880 reflection of what you choose every day. 00:20:49.130 --> 00:20:52.880 So typically when people say chronic undereating, but they're like, but 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.780 if I'm chronically undereating, then wouldn't I always be losing weight? 00:20:56.780 --> 00:21:00.140 Therefore always be hitting my fat loss goals. 00:21:00.744 --> 00:21:02.574 Tarryn: So that's a really good question. 00:21:02.634 --> 00:21:03.744 Very good question. 00:21:03.744 --> 00:21:07.164 And we have to, we have to think of it like this. 00:21:07.164 --> 00:21:12.024 Like whenever I have a client that I am, I'm taking into a fat 00:21:12.024 --> 00:21:16.044 loss, we have to understand that eating in a caloric deficit. 00:21:16.404 --> 00:21:20.064 Is an intentional stressor that we're putting on our body. 00:21:20.094 --> 00:21:24.684 So if you are someone where you are chronically undereating, you're 00:21:24.689 --> 00:21:30.684 chronically dieting, um, or we'll just say undereating, you probably will 00:21:30.689 --> 00:21:35.364 not achieve that goal of fat loss or have the quote unquote dream body that 00:21:35.364 --> 00:21:39.744 you want because of all of the stress that you're conflicting on your body. 00:21:39.744 --> 00:21:43.524 And it goes back to what I said, you know, a few minutes ago about how. 00:21:44.169 --> 00:21:49.779 Your body is going to internally reflect off of what you're doing. 00:21:49.779 --> 00:21:52.779 So if you're chronically putting a stress on your body of not undereating, 00:21:53.779 --> 00:21:58.819 your body is going to a adapt to that and it's not going to feel 00:21:58.819 --> 00:22:03.589 safe because it's not getting the energy it needs, and so therefore 00:22:03.589 --> 00:22:06.289 it's going to downregulate systems. 00:22:06.664 --> 00:22:11.824 And the little bit of energy that you are consuming, which energy, 00:22:12.004 --> 00:22:17.549 I'm, I'm referring to calories, it's really gonna be put forth to the 00:22:17.549 --> 00:22:20.442 things that need to keep you alive. 00:22:20.562 --> 00:22:24.042 Like your, your vital organs, you keep you alive. 00:22:24.462 --> 00:22:26.712 Um, so we have to think of it like that. 00:22:26.717 --> 00:22:31.032 So it's, it's the stress component and when there's a lot of stress on the body. 00:22:31.767 --> 00:22:36.147 Your body is not going to, it's not gonna cave in and be like, okay, 00:22:36.627 --> 00:22:39.237 we're chronically undereating, or We're always dieting. 00:22:39.627 --> 00:22:41.427 Let's just go ahead and magically lose weight. 00:22:41.477 --> 00:22:45.407 We have to work with the body, not against the body. 00:22:45.997 --> 00:22:46.572 Lindsay: I love that. 00:22:46.572 --> 00:22:47.982 I love how you keep bringing up. 00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:51.979 The body adapts and it will start. 00:22:52.159 --> 00:22:56.029 And people often look at adaptation as, oh, it's a bad thing. 00:22:56.089 --> 00:22:59.569 It's like, no, that actually the body is doing exactly what it's meant to do. 00:22:59.929 --> 00:23:01.369 It's keeping you alive, 00:23:01.789 --> 00:23:02.059 Tarryn: a hundred 00:23:02.149 --> 00:23:07.139 Lindsay: and it's gonna say, okay, menstruation don't need that. 00:23:07.574 --> 00:23:11.744 You need to live so that you can actually then take care of a baby. 00:23:11.744 --> 00:23:13.844 But right now you're struggling living getting enough. 00:23:13.874 --> 00:23:14.744 I'm just gonna stop that. 00:23:14.894 --> 00:23:20.174 Like that's why it starts and it also becomes more efficient 00:23:20.624 --> 00:23:22.274 with the energy that's coming in. 00:23:22.499 --> 00:23:23.159 Tarryn: yes. 00:23:23.324 --> 00:23:29.094 Lindsay: So what I found, is that clients who are chronic undereaters 00:23:30.094 --> 00:23:32.014 and yet they're not losing weight. 00:23:32.014 --> 00:23:34.624 It's like they found this, this almost, uh. 00:23:35.584 --> 00:23:40.094 The sweet spot is the, wrong word, but it, it kind of is the sweet spot of 00:23:41.574 --> 00:23:47.574 point where energy coming in is low enough to start turning systems off 00:23:47.604 --> 00:23:52.674 or the body adapting it, becoming more efficient in a lot of ways, doing with 00:23:52.679 --> 00:24:01.054 far less, but yet it's not low enough to keep pushing the drive of fat loss. 00:24:01.459 --> 00:24:09.259 But it's low enough to lower, um, sex hormones, thyroid, and all of 00:24:09.259 --> 00:24:14.779 these things that when those things are on point, you actually can have 00:24:14.989 --> 00:24:17.959 a healthy fat loss phase phase. 00:24:18.049 --> 00:24:19.939 Not fat, fat loss life, 00:24:20.554 --> 00:24:21.004 Tarryn: Yes. 00:24:22.339 --> 00:24:24.229 Lindsay: So that's kind of how I look at it. 00:24:24.229 --> 00:24:26.929 What am I missing something there. 00:24:27.244 --> 00:24:31.234 Tarryn: No, so that, I mean, that's a hundred percent like 00:24:31.264 --> 00:24:32.974 you're on point with that because. 00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:38.089 When you were talking about that, I kind of like, my brain went back to, 00:24:38.489 --> 00:24:43.109 the famine days, you know, where there wasn't a lot of food or you know, for 00:24:43.114 --> 00:24:47.549 people, but what they found, and I forget what study it was, I'll have to like 00:24:47.549 --> 00:24:50.999 go back, I'm like drawing in a blank on this, this study here from way back when. 00:24:51.349 --> 00:24:56.809 But basically like back then, like if you took like a man or woman and like 00:24:56.809 --> 00:25:01.779 there's famine there, the males are more than likely going to end up dying than 00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:08.559 the female because the female's body, it's so resilient, like to stress, to 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:13.899 adaptation, and that's why, you know, when we're not given enough energy, like 00:25:13.904 --> 00:25:18.519 energy availability or food calories, you know, our systems downregulate 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.169 because of what is our purpose. 00:25:20.229 --> 00:25:22.059 A woman's purpose in life is, hey. 00:25:22.439 --> 00:25:24.774 Bare children and keep those children alive. 00:25:24.894 --> 00:25:29.484 So our bodies are smart enough where it's like, okay, we're not getting enough food. 00:25:29.754 --> 00:25:31.764 All right, we're gonna keep her alive. 00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:34.759 There goes the sex hormones, the reproductive organs. 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.349 We're not sending energy to that. 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.819 We just need to send it to her vital organs to keep her alive 00:25:40.819 --> 00:25:42.259 and keep her going because. 00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:46.469 She has young to take care of, you know, so, so to speak. 00:25:46.469 --> 00:25:50.039 So, no, you, you're a hundred percent like on point with that. 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:57.119 And when the body feels safe and you're giving it enough food and calories like 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:03.389 to, to function, like all the systems are quote unquote happy, you know, that's 00:26:03.389 --> 00:26:07.409 when the body's going to lose weight is when it feels like it's safe and it's 00:26:07.409 --> 00:26:10.049 not in a fight or flight mode of like. 00:26:10.589 --> 00:26:13.769 Oh my gosh, I only have like so many calories available. 00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:17.009 Like, let me just push it to what I need to keep me alive. 00:26:17.459 --> 00:26:17.759 You know? 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.289 So that's, I think that's the biggest like misunderstanding for women in general, 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.899 especially when they are chronic dieters and they can't figure out, I don't 00:26:26.904 --> 00:26:28.309 understand why I'm not losing weight. 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:30.679 And then you're like, well, you need to eat more. 00:26:31.009 --> 00:26:33.169 And they, they can't wrap their brains around. 00:26:33.829 --> 00:26:37.879 Well, that doesn't make sense, you know, but it's like, it makes perfect sense. 00:26:38.554 --> 00:26:43.714 Lindsay: Yeah, especially, that's why I love the re the, a lot of people say 00:26:43.714 --> 00:26:49.264 reverse dieting, but I, I actually love talking about like post diet recovery. 00:26:50.004 --> 00:26:50.224 Tarryn: Yes. 00:26:50.344 --> 00:26:55.894 Lindsay: feel like post diet recovery really does encompass the message of 00:26:55.894 --> 00:27:02.534 what needs to happen post diet in that your body has adapted, as it should have. 00:27:03.479 --> 00:27:09.239 And now it needs to go back to this flourishing. 00:27:09.239 --> 00:27:10.919 You talked about famine, right? 00:27:11.249 --> 00:27:15.749 So it is kind of a famine response, and now it needs to go 00:27:15.754 --> 00:27:23.249 back to this flourishing, this feast response of, now I'm safe. 00:27:23.879 --> 00:27:32.734 Now I can send energy to these systems in the body that, weren't getting it before. 00:27:33.004 --> 00:27:38.264 It is interesting though, to hear a lot of people talk about, how well it. 00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:41.579 If your body's not responding, I said, there's this sweet spot, right? 00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:46.259 There's this sweet spot of you're getting all the, you're low enough 00:27:46.259 --> 00:27:50.369 in calories where you're getting all of the negatives of a diet 00:27:50.369 --> 00:27:52.259 without getting any of the positives. 00:27:52.469 --> 00:27:55.979 So the negatives are your body's adapting. 00:27:56.309 --> 00:28:01.889 You're, um, feeling sluggish, not feeling your best, but you're not 00:28:01.889 --> 00:28:05.339 getting any of the positives of you're actually seeing fat loss. 00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:06.929 So people will say, well, but it's. 00:28:07.544 --> 00:28:09.434 It's calories and calories out. 00:28:09.434 --> 00:28:11.354 Just push your calories lower. 00:28:11.834 --> 00:28:14.144 So at what point do you finally say that? 00:28:14.144 --> 00:28:14.954 That's insane. 00:28:15.164 --> 00:28:18.494 Tarryn: I would say like that, that's insanity. 00:28:18.644 --> 00:28:23.114 Or you're on like the insanity like wagon because you know, the definition 00:28:23.114 --> 00:28:26.684 of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting, you 00:28:26.684 --> 00:28:28.034 know, a different outcome each time. 00:28:28.584 --> 00:28:32.214 I would say when you just keep taking calories lower and lower and 00:28:32.214 --> 00:28:36.654 lower and you're, you know, having higher and higher energy output, 00:28:36.659 --> 00:28:38.754 like you're exercising more, but. 00:28:39.249 --> 00:28:40.419 Nothing is happening. 00:28:40.689 --> 00:28:44.379 That's like, that's the, like, insanity of it. 00:28:44.379 --> 00:28:49.629 And that's when it's like, okay, you need to, you need to kind of check yourself on 00:28:49.629 --> 00:28:51.849 that in, in regards to what's going on. 00:28:52.299 --> 00:28:56.499 Um, because I've had clients come to me, they've been caught up in that, you know, 00:28:56.499 --> 00:29:01.449 vicious cycle and then I'm like, you know, all we have to do is we feed you more 00:29:01.449 --> 00:29:04.569 food and things should start happening. 00:29:05.379 --> 00:29:06.794 And sure enough, I. 00:29:06.864 --> 00:29:07.704 That's what happened. 00:29:07.704 --> 00:29:09.774 I mean, that's not like every case. 00:29:09.774 --> 00:29:12.144 So I don't wanna like paint like the perfect picture. 00:29:12.144 --> 00:29:14.874 Like, oh yeah, I, I can promise the world to you. 00:29:14.904 --> 00:29:15.894 Most definitely not. 00:29:15.924 --> 00:29:21.054 'cause there's a lot of different layers there, but in most instances, like when 00:29:21.444 --> 00:29:26.664 I start feeding them more food and again, letting the body feel safe and like, 00:29:26.664 --> 00:29:29.214 okay, energy availability, we're good. 00:29:29.574 --> 00:29:31.344 That's when we'll start to see the progress. 00:29:32.344 --> 00:29:33.094 Lindsay: I love that. 00:29:33.154 --> 00:29:33.574 I love that. 00:29:33.814 --> 00:29:34.234 Okay. 00:29:34.414 --> 00:29:35.944 Let's shift gears a little bit. 00:29:35.949 --> 00:29:40.914 I wanna talk about how sex hormones may impact metabolic rate. 00:29:41.499 --> 00:29:41.919 Tarryn: Hmm. 00:29:41.949 --> 00:29:41.979 Okay. 00:29:42.009 --> 00:29:45.729 Lindsay: Because a lot of times people are like, well, they're, they're separate. 00:29:45.729 --> 00:29:46.749 They're different. 00:29:46.809 --> 00:29:51.429 They shouldn't, it's a natural thing for, you know, in men, testosterone just 00:29:51.429 --> 00:29:53.979 comes down during a diet that's natural. 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:58.419 It doesn't impede fat loss of, you know, these bodybuilders or whatever. 00:29:58.785 --> 00:30:05.055 Can you explain how it actually connects to their metabolism. 00:30:05.670 --> 00:30:06.660 Tarryn: Absolutely. 00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:10.350 So I don't, okay, so I don't wanna go down, I don't want to 00:30:10.355 --> 00:30:11.760 go down a deep rabbit hole here. 00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:15.390 So we'll just, we'll keep it very, the basic of the basic. 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:15.750 Okay. 00:30:15.750 --> 00:30:15.930 So. 00:30:16.930 --> 00:30:18.790 All of our systems play together. 00:30:18.850 --> 00:30:21.820 Our systems do not work independently of one another. 00:30:21.820 --> 00:30:27.610 So let's say for example, we have a woman who is estrogen dominant. 00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:28.060 Okay? 00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:29.740 So let's say she is. 00:30:30.325 --> 00:30:35.515 We refer to as relative estrogen dominance, where your progesterone 00:30:35.515 --> 00:30:38.065 is low relative to your estrogen. 00:30:38.875 --> 00:30:44.995 That within itself can decrease thyroid function, or even if it's on the other 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.485 side of the fence, estrogen dominance, where estrogen's just very high, they 00:30:50.485 --> 00:30:55.735 both can decrease our, our thyroid function, our metabolic rate, because 00:30:55.735 --> 00:30:58.975 of what it's causing the liver to do. 00:30:58.975 --> 00:30:59.455 So. 00:31:00.355 --> 00:31:06.845 If there is really high estrogen, what it can cause is the liver 00:31:06.845 --> 00:31:13.475 to produce a protein that can attach to free thyroid hormones. 00:31:13.475 --> 00:31:21.005 So think free T four, free T three, and it can downregulate things because now those 00:31:21.005 --> 00:31:27.845 free thyroid hormones are attached to a protein and they're not as bioavailable. 00:31:27.845 --> 00:31:27.905 I. 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.710 So it can decrease our metabolic rate in regards to that. 00:31:33.810 --> 00:31:39.100 Lindsay: Can a woman though go to her doctor, have her thyroid tested? 00:31:40.100 --> 00:31:46.410 Her thyroid looks normal and fine, but yet it's not. 00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:49.810 Tarryn: So yes, a hundred percent. 00:31:49.810 --> 00:31:52.870 And let me kind of, let me explain this a little bit more. 00:31:52.870 --> 00:31:57.700 So when it comes to like the thyroid, like being told, Hey, you're normal. 00:31:58.165 --> 00:32:01.165 You gotta understand like when you're going to like say a, just 00:32:01.225 --> 00:32:05.485 a regular doctor, like hormones is not their specialty or even, I hate 00:32:05.485 --> 00:32:08.215 to say it, even an endocrinologist. 00:32:08.545 --> 00:32:14.785 They're just looking at you in regards to, or your values in regards to clinical. 00:32:15.295 --> 00:32:21.540 And when we're looking at clinical, you're in this pool of sickly people, 00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:26.100 so to speak, and if they're like, oh, you're normal, but your values are not 00:32:26.100 --> 00:32:29.910 normal, or maybe you feel some kind of way, you're like, well, I'm being told 00:32:29.910 --> 00:32:32.160 I'm normal, but I don't feel normal. 00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:36.210 You have to understand they're comparing it to a clinical reference 00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:42.090 range and not necessarily like a optimal or functional reference range 00:32:42.090 --> 00:32:48.840 where it's looking at your values in comparison to an optimal range for you. 00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:53.440 Lindsay: Okay, and will sex hormones influence that? 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.890 So you go in, everything looks fine, thyroid. 00:32:57.010 --> 00:32:59.470 So why check, why check sex hormones? 00:33:00.049 --> 00:33:00.269 Tarryn: So, 00:33:00.884 --> 00:33:05.444 Lindsay: people only focus on thyroid when they feel like there's 00:33:06.044 --> 00:33:07.994 a problem with their metabolism. 00:33:08.324 --> 00:33:09.704 That's kind of what I'm trying to get to. 00:33:10.189 --> 00:33:13.789 Tarryn: You always want to check both because they both play into one another. 00:33:13.819 --> 00:33:18.619 You know, like even like the hormone progesterone, if say a woman has 00:33:18.619 --> 00:33:22.039 like lower progesterone, you know, well, there's receptors on the 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.559 thyroid for progesterone that can positively impact thyroid function. 00:33:27.859 --> 00:33:28.069 So. 00:33:28.909 --> 00:33:33.919 You wanna look at both because they, they both do play into one another. 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.209 Um, you know, even looking at things like your adrenals, for 00:33:38.209 --> 00:33:43.639 example, you know, your adrenals and thyroid, they're on the same access. 00:33:43.669 --> 00:33:48.139 And your adrenals, you know, cortisol comes from those. 00:33:48.139 --> 00:33:53.659 So if there's something going on there that can also, you know, decrease 00:33:53.659 --> 00:33:56.299 thyroid function or, or metabolic rate. 00:33:57.299 --> 00:34:03.989 Lindsay: Okay, so then cortisol has a direct link to metabolism as well, like 00:34:04.379 --> 00:34:05.849 Tarryn: Technically Yes. 00:34:05.909 --> 00:34:07.679 Lindsay: so indirect you would say. 00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:10.739 Tarryn: I would say, well, it absolutely can. 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:13.829 Like I would say directly, but indirectly. 00:34:13.859 --> 00:34:17.189 I know that's kind of like a yes but no. 00:34:17.204 --> 00:34:18.254 Lindsay: A safe answer. 00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:19.289 Tarryn: Yes, exactly. 00:34:19.289 --> 00:34:21.089 Well, let's say it depends. 00:34:21.089 --> 00:34:21.599 That's that's 00:34:21.614 --> 00:34:22.094 Lindsay: you go. 00:34:23.094 --> 00:34:26.524 Tarryn: But I mean, like if you have someone where, you know, their 00:34:26.524 --> 00:34:28.834 cortisol's just off the charts. 00:34:28.834 --> 00:34:33.664 And then again, going back to the place of internally, your body is so stressed 00:34:33.664 --> 00:34:40.684 out, you know, like it will cause the thyroid or metabolism to adapt and be 00:34:40.684 --> 00:34:42.664 lower because it doesn't feel safe. 00:34:43.594 --> 00:34:43.864 Lindsay: Okay. 00:34:43.984 --> 00:34:44.884 That's really interesting. 00:34:45.094 --> 00:34:50.674 It's interesting because we live in a world where all of our, for the most part, 00:34:50.824 --> 00:34:53.554 the people listening to this podcast. 00:34:53.854 --> 00:35:00.184 Most, uh, I mean most of their needs are met and so oftentimes it's really 00:35:00.184 --> 00:35:06.304 hard when so much stress nowadays I feel like is very self-induced. 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:07.259 Tarryn: Yes. 00:35:07.744 --> 00:35:08.584 Lindsay: That's hard. 00:35:08.734 --> 00:35:15.274 That's hard as a coach to address that because it's like, I just think you need 00:35:15.274 --> 00:35:17.969 to calm down a little bit, you know? 00:35:18.469 --> 00:35:19.579 Tarryn: a hundred percent. 00:35:19.609 --> 00:35:23.599 Like it's, it's one of those things like, I know, like I was doing like, 00:35:23.689 --> 00:35:27.229 you know, my, my birthday was this past weekend and I always like to kind of 00:35:27.229 --> 00:35:31.069 look back and do like self-reflection on the last year of my life. 00:35:31.069 --> 00:35:32.659 Like what are some things I've learned? 00:35:32.989 --> 00:35:37.249 And one of the biggest things I remember I wrote down in my journal was, 00:35:38.164 --> 00:35:43.414 I create my own stress and my own problems in my head by overthinking things. 00:35:43.924 --> 00:35:48.624 And when I, when I wrote that down, I was just like, I mean, I already knew this, 00:35:48.624 --> 00:35:52.954 but like that light bulb kind of got a little brighter and I was like, this is, 00:35:53.014 --> 00:35:55.084 this is the problem with some clients. 00:35:55.084 --> 00:35:59.614 Like y'all are just creating it in your head and you're thinking 00:35:59.614 --> 00:36:02.644 things are worse than what it is, or this is such a problem. 00:36:03.334 --> 00:36:04.384 It's, it's here. 00:36:04.384 --> 00:36:06.844 It's your overthinking that's causing the problems. 00:36:06.844 --> 00:36:08.494 That's causing the stress. 00:36:08.804 --> 00:36:10.364 Lindsay: Mm-Hmm, 100%. 00:36:10.664 --> 00:36:13.244 That is a hard point to coach on. 00:36:13.554 --> 00:36:20.664 I often refer people to the book, loving What is by Brian, uh, uh, Byron. 00:36:20.664 --> 00:36:24.724 Sorry, Byron Katie, it's the work. 00:36:25.069 --> 00:36:26.209 Of letting go. 00:36:26.569 --> 00:36:29.929 And a lot of times the the stress is because we are 00:36:29.929 --> 00:36:31.729 holding on, we want control. 00:36:31.729 --> 00:36:32.059 we 00:36:32.294 --> 00:36:32.714 Tarryn: Mm-Hmm 00:36:32.814 --> 00:36:33.829 Lindsay: can't let it go. 00:36:33.834 --> 00:36:36.529 If we worry about it, if we think about it, then it almost won't 00:36:36.534 --> 00:36:38.989 happen or we think it will happen. 00:36:38.994 --> 00:36:44.089 And it's like, no, the real work in life is learning to love what is and let go 00:36:44.869 --> 00:36:50.149 of so much her book to those listening, this is the second time in the past 00:36:50.149 --> 00:36:51.529 month that I've thrown that out there. 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.479 'cause I, I do think that it is. 00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:55.519 Really, really, really important. 00:36:55.949 --> 00:37:02.559 You said a lot of times you just feeding people, they'll start feeling better. 00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:07.589 And another post that you wrote, you said the solution to hypothyroidism is not 00:37:07.589 --> 00:37:09.689 just increase calories and lift weights. 00:37:09.694 --> 00:37:10.499 There's layers to it. 00:37:11.189 --> 00:37:13.164 I love that you brought this up because. 00:37:13.417 --> 00:37:19.960 I probably would say I am one of those coaches who too often lean to that because 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.540 for majority of people doing it does help. 00:37:22.810 --> 00:37:25.270 It's like the biggest mover. 00:37:25.540 --> 00:37:29.290 If you're looking at all the little rocks and the big rocks, it's like just 00:37:29.410 --> 00:37:35.500 walk, get sunlight, lift weights, eat more around maintenance, learn to thrive 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:38.470 there, and you just watch people blossom. 00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:39.850 But not everybody. 00:37:40.345 --> 00:37:41.125 Not everybody. 00:37:41.305 --> 00:37:46.405 So let's speak now a little bit to those that maybe the reverse dieting 00:37:46.435 --> 00:37:50.605 isn't the solution and, and all of a sudden they found that, no, 00:37:50.605 --> 00:37:52.705 actually I put on tons of weight. 00:37:53.005 --> 00:37:56.155 I'm in a worse place and now I'm even more frustrated. 00:37:57.155 --> 00:38:04.775 Tarryn: So with that, you know, again, it, it can go back to the lifestyle. 00:38:04.775 --> 00:38:06.305 It can go back to like. 00:38:07.305 --> 00:38:08.325 mental health too. 00:38:08.325 --> 00:38:11.145 Like that's a really, really big one there. 00:38:11.505 --> 00:38:17.265 But, you know, for like these individuals, it is about looking, looking deeper, like 00:38:17.265 --> 00:38:24.375 pulling back the layers to figure out, well why is, you know, is there maybe an 00:38:24.375 --> 00:38:28.875 underlining root issue like internally, like with your health markers that. 00:38:29.220 --> 00:38:30.540 Have never been addressed. 00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:35.760 You know, is it maybe, um, the types of foods that you're eating, you 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:41.760 know, you're not getting, you know, specific nutrients that you need to 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:46.830 thrive and, you know, the thyroid's like going under because of that. 00:38:46.964 --> 00:38:50.714 you know, It's just a lot of like lifestyle factors, you know, 00:38:50.714 --> 00:38:52.724 play, play into those people. 00:38:52.724 --> 00:38:56.624 But then again, it, it could be deeper rooted, so it's just. 00:38:57.524 --> 00:38:58.334 It's gray. 00:38:58.334 --> 00:39:00.374 It's, it's a lot of gray with that too. 00:39:01.149 --> 00:39:03.614 Lindsay: At what point do you start looking at gut health? 00:39:03.814 --> 00:39:07.894 Tarryn: Well for me specifically, um, I'm not like, I'm not. 00:39:08.749 --> 00:39:10.609 In the gut health, like scope. 00:39:10.609 --> 00:39:13.129 Like if I said, if I said I was, I'd be lying. 00:39:13.459 --> 00:39:17.059 Um, I look at like the hormone component, thyroid component. 00:39:17.089 --> 00:39:20.059 Um, yes, gut plays into all of that stuff. 00:39:20.459 --> 00:39:25.679 But there's, like, for me, you know, I know enough to be dangerous, but that's 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.989 not like my, my scope of practice. 00:39:28.289 --> 00:39:34.304 So if I had someone where, we were having gut issues. 00:39:34.694 --> 00:39:38.354 The first place that I would probably start with is, okay, 00:39:38.954 --> 00:39:40.184 let's look at your diet. 00:39:40.364 --> 00:39:41.834 Let's look at your stress. 00:39:41.864 --> 00:39:45.284 Because those are the biggest things here that can play into that. 00:39:45.284 --> 00:39:49.844 Like I know, um, I had some clients, like stress was extremely high. 00:39:50.234 --> 00:39:53.894 They were not going to the bathroom, they weren't having any bowel movements. 00:39:54.224 --> 00:39:58.544 And before like diving into like the gut and just throwing all these 00:39:58.544 --> 00:40:00.674 different protocols and stuff at people. 00:40:01.049 --> 00:40:02.219 Let's start simple. 00:40:02.309 --> 00:40:07.079 Let's address your stress, let's dive into your lifestyle and let's pull back 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.359 your layers and see what we can find. 00:40:09.359 --> 00:40:14.269 And most of the time in these situations, it's the matter of stress 00:40:14.269 --> 00:40:17.359 that's causing the GI issues, you know? 00:40:17.359 --> 00:40:22.774 Um, that's of course not to disregard actual GI issues 'cause 00:40:22.804 --> 00:40:24.544 they're real and they exist. 00:40:24.844 --> 00:40:28.564 It's just, for me that's, you know, that's just not my, my 00:40:28.569 --> 00:40:30.634 area that I, I like to get into. 00:40:30.684 --> 00:40:36.504 If there's a severe issue, I will go ahead and, Hey, let's, let's go meet up 00:40:36.504 --> 00:40:41.064 with, you know, this coach who specializes in it and see what we can, we can do. 00:40:41.064 --> 00:40:41.484 Lindsay: Mm-Hmm. 00:40:42.074 --> 00:40:47.484 I love that you said that as sometimes I think, uh, coaches, try to speak on 00:40:47.514 --> 00:40:51.714 everything for everyone and it's, you can always trust somebody who says, 00:40:51.924 --> 00:40:53.514 you know, that's not my specialty. 00:40:54.514 --> 00:40:54.754 Tarryn: Absolutely. 00:40:54.759 --> 00:40:58.809 Lindsay: I know enough to have like, oh, to see red flags, and then to 00:40:58.809 --> 00:41:00.759 guide you to somebody who knows better. 00:41:01.089 --> 00:41:03.129 And that's kind of how I feel about hormones is. 00:41:03.584 --> 00:41:09.344 I know enough to see red flags, and I can refer you to somebody 00:41:09.344 --> 00:41:10.874 who's gonna help you a lot more. 00:41:11.114 --> 00:41:15.044 I will touch on these basics, and if we're doing all these basics and the 00:41:15.044 --> 00:41:21.464 foundational things, and sometimes it heals itself, if it doesn't, I'm 00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:23.234 gonna pass you off to somebody else. 00:41:23.684 --> 00:41:26.114 And so I, I think that that's really good. 00:41:26.664 --> 00:41:29.814 As coaches, I think it's really good that we know our space. 00:41:29.814 --> 00:41:30.954 We're not therapists. 00:41:31.284 --> 00:41:32.334 Sometimes we try to be, 00:41:32.964 --> 00:41:33.534 Tarryn: Yes. 00:41:33.624 --> 00:41:35.454 Yeah, that, that's a big one too. 00:41:35.454 --> 00:41:35.784 And 00:41:35.969 --> 00:41:36.179 Lindsay: hard. 00:41:36.684 --> 00:41:38.424 Tarryn: I, it is, it is really hard. 00:41:38.479 --> 00:41:42.499 I say this a lot, like for some people, you know, it's one of those things 00:41:42.499 --> 00:41:48.199 like, look, if you have like deep, like really, really like deeply rooted issues, 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:53.149 like that's affecting like your mental health, you don't need a nutrition coach. 00:41:53.449 --> 00:41:55.309 You need a therapist, like. 00:41:56.014 --> 00:42:00.634 Go work out your stuff and then you can kind of circle back around to me. 00:42:00.724 --> 00:42:06.334 But I, if there's a lot of stuff going on there, I can't help you until you 00:42:06.334 --> 00:42:10.984 learn how to help yourself with coping or working through, you know, whatever 00:42:10.984 --> 00:42:15.214 you're dealing with, like mentally or trauma or whatever you're holding onto. 00:42:15.754 --> 00:42:15.904 Lindsay: Hmm. 00:42:16.534 --> 00:42:18.124 Yes, 100%. 00:42:18.604 --> 00:42:19.144 Oh my goodness. 00:42:19.144 --> 00:42:20.824 I love this conversation. 00:42:20.824 --> 00:42:22.144 I'm so glad I had you on. 00:42:22.444 --> 00:42:27.664 Is there anything that comes to your mind that you just kind of wish, one 00:42:27.664 --> 00:42:32.734 last thing that you just wish if, if women just understood this one thing 00:42:32.739 --> 00:42:39.154 or these two things, I wish that more women would do this for their health. 00:42:39.664 --> 00:42:40.564 What would that be? 00:42:40.964 --> 00:42:42.824 Tarryn: Eat food and lift weights. 00:42:43.364 --> 00:42:46.814 And what I mean by eat food is not like diet. 00:42:47.684 --> 00:42:54.494 Stay out of a deficit and lift weights and actually push yourself. 00:42:54.734 --> 00:43:01.364 Don't be as, don't be afraid to lift heavy challenge yourself, because those 00:43:01.364 --> 00:43:06.720 two things I swear it can probably solve like 90% of your problems 00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:08.220 if you just did those two things. 00:43:08.925 --> 00:43:09.255 Lindsay: Yep. 00:43:09.645 --> 00:43:10.635 100%. 00:43:10.665 --> 00:43:11.325 I love it. 00:43:11.565 --> 00:43:11.925 Okay. 00:43:11.925 --> 00:43:14.715 Thank you so, so much for coming on. 00:43:14.715 --> 00:43:16.155 It has been amazing. 00:43:16.605 --> 00:43:19.695 Um, in the notes, we're gonna have a link. 00:43:19.700 --> 00:43:20.955 Do you have a website? 00:43:20.955 --> 00:43:22.815 Is it your Instagram account? 00:43:22.815 --> 00:43:24.975 What is the best way for people to get ahold of you? 00:43:25.635 --> 00:43:26.615 Tarryn: Instagram would be the 00:43:26.615 --> 00:43:26.905 Lindsay: best. 00:43:26.905 --> 00:43:27.125 That's true. 00:43:27.195 --> 00:43:27.555 Okay. 00:43:27.705 --> 00:43:32.175 We'll put a link to your handle in the show notes so that those that feel 00:43:32.175 --> 00:43:36.975 like they need a little bit more of you in their life can reach out to you 00:43:36.975 --> 00:43:39.255 and so that you can help more people. 00:43:39.315 --> 00:43:39.795 I love it. 00:43:39.795 --> 00:43:40.785 Empower more women. 00:43:41.155 --> 00:43:42.145 Tarryn: Thank you for having me. 00:43:42.145 --> 00:43:43.375 I really appreciate it. 00:43:43.705 --> 00:43:44.215 Lindsay: Of course. 00:43:44.215 --> 00:43:45.205 We'll talk to you later.