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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Man, I like that

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Roland too. That's Connor O'Brien's voice. Yes. And by the way,

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we put names to our sound guy
and a video guy. That's right.

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They put names to the desire puts
everything together. And now Connor, such

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nice job. It's such a friendly
voice. Yes, you're listening to the

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Bible guys. Yes. And by
the way, if you attend our church,

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which is Heritage Church, then he's
the guy on stage with a guitar

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who often does voiceovers for our videos. That's right. He's very good.

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Hey, so today we're gonna first
of all, welcome everybody who we are

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the Bible Guys. My name is
Chris, and then my companion is Jeff.

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Faithful companion, Your faithful companion.
That's so funny. No, isn't

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that, Robin. Isn't that how
they and his faithful companion? Robin?

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Oh No, no, No,
it's faith lone ranger and his faithful companion.

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Yeah, that's right, that's true. Yeah, No, it's it's

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the dynamic duo. I think is
the coin phrase for that. That's right.

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Yeah, so for his young Ward. Isn't that how they the Batman

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they'd call him, they'd call Robin
Batman's young Ward. Really, it was

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like his adopted son, right kind
of thing. Was his name? What

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is his name, Grace Ward?
Well, I don't I don't know what

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his name is, but Ward meaning
he was he was, he was under,

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he was under. I don't know
Robin's real name. I think he's

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under his care something, Dick Grayson. This is riveting stuff. I'll just

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take you all right. So hey, we're gonna move on to a segment

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that Desiree put together, Okay,
called how well do you know them?

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Let's see how well Jefferly knows you? Chris ask him three off the wall

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questions and see if her questions off
the wall. But all right, here

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we go. Ready, here's the
first one. So I just thought of

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this, like literally a minute before
we started. How many cities have I

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lived in? Total? But I'm
gonna get but I'm gonna give you a

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hint. Yeah, you already know
this answer, whether you've ever thought about

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it or not. So there's nothing
okay, there's nothing secret. Nope,

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Okay, go to name them Youngstown. Youngstown where I grew up, Springfield,

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Springfield, Missouri. I went to
college there, Atlanta, just outside

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of Atlanta. I'll give you that
one because it's Stockbridge. But it's okay,

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you never know that. Uh a
different town here in Michigan. Nope,

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you moved straight to Troy. Yep. Even though you worked in a

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little church in here in Michigan,
didn't you work in another church? No,

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kids, moved straight to Kensy's Okay, So Troy, that's Troy,

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and that's it. That's four.
That's it. Four. Well I thought

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you worked in another church. So
you've only worked in two churches your whole

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life. Uh? No, three
churches? Three churches. No. Well,

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actually in Stockbridge and when I was
Atlanta, i worked in two churches,

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lived in the same house. And
then here I was, I'd in

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the same house as two churches.
Yeah, okay, I've literally done the

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same thing. Wow, that's cool. That crazy. Yeah, But the

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good news is I've only had two
houses as like like as a married person,

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I've been married thirty two years.
So your basement's packed Full's what you're

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saying. I don't even have a
basement. I don't have a base.

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I don't have a base. That's
the first question. Okay, here's the

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second one, which, by the
way, I was off the wall.

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I loath the fact that I don't
have a basement. Number two, you

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should ask me that do I have
a basement? I should have Okay,

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what is my favorite genre of music? Uh? I have so many statements

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to make on that your favorite genre? H Well, I think Taylor Swift

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is your favorite singer, so it's
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I didn't say she was my favorite. I just said I liked her.

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I just I liked her. Yeah, so I would say I want to

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say show tunes. That's what I
wanted to say. Yes, pop,

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wow, you're going for the swifty
Yeah, either yeah popp or country pop.

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It's country the country it's country.
Yeah yeah. I lived in Atlanta

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for ten years and they grew on
me. Yeah yeah. Yeah. So

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that's it. And then here's the
last question. Okay, what is the

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number You don't have to name the
actual countries, ok but what is the

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number of the as many international missions
trips that I've taken in total international missions

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trips that you've taken? Yeah,
these are either like visions trips as leadership

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or service trips. I would think
it's twenty seven really close twenty four oh

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wow yeah yeah. So the breakdown
is Cuba, Haiti, Kenya, and

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Costa Rica. I went all of
them four times. Wow, and then

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once each I went to India,
Brazil, South Sudan, South Africa,

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Tanzania, Egypt, Israel, and
the Dominican Republic. Wow. Wow,

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that's it. That's great. Well, we're getting ready to go back to

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Dominican Republic. We are, yeah, yeah, just in a couple of

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weeks. Yeah, okay, there
would be a good one. There you

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go. Awesome, Then that'll be
twenty five. Yes, just round it

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off. Just make sure you asked
me that question again next time. There

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it is. Hey, So if
you care about me at all, all

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the amazing things, it's just we're
plumbing the depths. You know, more

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about the person of the mystery.
That is Chris Starba. That's it.

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The music, it's very fulfilling.
I can imagine it would be for you.

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So today we are in Mathew really
chapter twenty four. I'm just moving

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on just so today we're going to
be in Matthew chapter twenty four. Yep,

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and do you remember those of who've
been listening over the last week or

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so. We started off and we're
reading about all these comments that Jesus makes

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about his return and being watchful,
right, and so it winds up being

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three very long passages in Matthew chapter
twenty four, Mark chapter thirteen, and

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Luke chapter twenty one. So what
we decided to do is go halfway on

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each of those three passages, and
now we're coming back and we're picking back

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up in Matthew twenty four, and
we'll get the second half today of that

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one, and then we'll go to
Luke second half of that one, and

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then yeah, or Mark and then
Luke. So technically, just to say

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it another way, that means will
have done six podcasts on three chapters,

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three chapters which are the same parallel
story one one big topic, one big

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topic. That's right, yeah,
yeah, So it's just so many verses.

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This one chapter has fifty one verses
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four, zins Yeah, So we're
not gonna read all fifty one because we've

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already read twenty five of them.
But you pick up right there Matthew chapter

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twenty four, Verse twenty six says. So if someone tells you, look,

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the Messiah is out in the desert, don't bother to go and look,

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or look he's hiding here. Don't
believe it. For as the lightning

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flashes in the east and shines to
the west, so it will be when

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the Sun of Man comes. Just
as the gathering of vulture shows there's a

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carcass nearby. So these signs indicate
that the end is near. Immediately after

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the anguish of those days, the
sun will be dark and the moon will

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give no light. The stars will
fall from the sky, and the powers

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in the heavens will be shaken.
And then at last, the sign that

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the Sun of Man is coming will
appear in the heavens, and there will

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be deep mourning among all the peoples
of the earth. And they will see

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the Son of Man coming on the
clouds of heaven with power and great glory,

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and he will send out his angels
with the mighty blast of a trumpet.

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They will gather his chosen ones from
all over the world, from the

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farthest ends of the Earth and heaven. Now learn a lesson from the fig

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tree. When its branches bud and
its leaves begin to sprout, you know

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that summer is near. In the
same way, when you see all these

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things, you can know his return
is very near, right at the door.

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I tell you the truth, This
generation will not pass from the scene

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until all these things take place.
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my

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words will never disappear. However,
no one knows the day or hour when

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these things will happen, not even
the angels in heaven or the Sun himself.

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Only the Father knows. When the
Sun of Man returns, It'll be

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like it was in Noah's day.
In those days after the flood, or

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before the flood, the people were
enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up

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until the time Noah entered his boat. People didn't realize what was going to

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happen until the flood came and swept
them all away. And that is the

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way it'll be when the Sun of
Man comes. Two men will be working

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together in the field, and one
will be taken the other left. Two

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women will be grinding flour at the
mill. One will be taken the other

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left. So you too must keep
watch, for you don't know what day

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your Lord is coming. Understand this, if a homeowner knew exactly when a

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burglar was coming, he'll keep watch
and not permit his house to be broken

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into. You also must be ready
all the time, for the son of

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man will come when least expected.
A faithful, sensible servant is one to

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whom the master can give the responsibility
of managing his other household servants and feeding

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them. If the master returns and
finds that the servant has done a good

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job, there will be a reward. I tell you the truth. The

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master will put that servant in charge
of the all he owns. But what

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if the servant is evil and thinks
my master won't be back for a while,

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and he begins beating the other servants
and partying and getting drunk. The

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Master will turn unannounced and unexpected,
and he'll cut the servant to pieces and

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assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place, there will be

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weeping and gnashing of teeth. So
Jesus saying, hey, he's coming back

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at any minute, he is.
And that last word picture is a heck

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of a word picture. Yeah,
absolutely hotly Christmas. Yeah, yeah,

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so there's a lot in there.
Yeah, Well I read Jesus is coming

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back. At any minute. You
don't know when. And that's why I

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live by the motto heat dessert first. Jesus is coming back at any minute,

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and so I say that all the
time. He desert first, and

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people who've gone out to eat with
me, you know that it's true.

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A lot of times I'll eat dessert
first because the last thing I want to

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do is if Jesus comes back.
I'm sitting there with a mouth full of

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broccoli and I knew dessert was coming. We're like, are you serious,

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right, so eat dessert first.
Jesus come back at any minute. Let's

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be ready. That's really funny.
Yeah. So when he says this generation,

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I tell you the truth, this
generation, Oh, we're gonna get

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ready to it that thanks, Chris. Oh well yeah, yeah, no,

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no, no, no, it's
just it's the hardest thing. I

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whole page. I'm just making fun
of the fact you chose the hardest thing

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to talk about. There's an asterisk
there. Yeah, let's do it.

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Yeah, and and and the asterisk. I was just going to point out

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that the Life Application Study Bible has
a note that says it translates into this

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age or this nation. Right,
So so sometimes I think What happens is

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when we when we take a word
translated into English and we take it so

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literally without doing the work of the
original Greek, we can say, oh,

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that must mean you know, the
people listening to it in the in

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the first century, by the time
their generation would die off. Yeah,

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I wouldn't think that that would be
the hardest thing on here. No,

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no, it's just that's the most
complex thing in this everything else you can

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read pretty much surface and that,
right, So that I was just making

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fun that that's the first thing we
went to. You know, we limpd

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into it with the dessert comment.
You're trying to redeem the conversation here.

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No, no, no, I
hear. Well. You know we've always

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we've said this in the past.
You know, last time we talked about,

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uh, the book Revelation has been
good goodness, gracious what months and

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months and months ago right on this
podcast. So I sort of told a

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story about you know, those billboards
where I've driven by and and and people

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have actually in the past, I've
seen it where it was pretty popular,

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where there was a group of people
who rented out which is quite expensive,

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spaces on billboards and saying here's our
prediction this is when the second come is

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coming is gone, and they would
predict a date right, and then and

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then I remember, you know,
the date would come and go, and

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then I remember what's absolutely I mean, I want to say hilarious, but

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but like it's kind of sad too. Somebody else rented the billboard and wrote,

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well that was awkward right after that, and it was so it was

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so like funny, but at the
same time, it's like it's like it

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sort of like makes us all look
bad. Right, the Christians of the

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of the world that are interpreted as
sometimes fanatics. Well, the way that

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you know that nobody knows is because
even Jesus doesn't, right. He literally

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says in verse thirty six, he
says, not even the angels in heaven

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or the Son himself, right,
only the Father knows. And then he

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said, actually, he will come
when you when it's least expected. Yeah,

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So it's not going to be the
date on the billboard, right,

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which means which means when somebody says
I think he's going to come here,

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in my mind, I go,
okay, that probably means that date is

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not when he's going to come.
Yeah, right, because I take Jesus

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pretty literal, right, and when
he says it's going to come when it's

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least expected, I would guess that
everybody who studies and predicts. Hey,

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I get a sort of a sad
story, but I think it's worth telling.

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Tell it. Everybody loves sad stories. Well, my friend just passed

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away. And he was at one
time extremely good friend of mine when I

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lived in Atlanta. We just talked
about me living in Stockbridge, Georgia.

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When I lived there, I was
a pastor of high school students, and

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one of my best friends in the
world was this guy named Chris and and

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he was like a helper in my
in my youth group, you know.

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Anyway, super great friend. And
then we lost touch for years and years

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after I moved to Michigan. Well, then we got reconnected and he was

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this huge The only way I can
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a huge revelation type person. Right, Whereas like every conversation, yeah,

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yeah, every conversation, we couldn't
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without talking about the second coming,
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what happens is this is the sad
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is what he says, Hey,
Chris, I've developed a disease. And

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he's pretty much drank himself to death. Okay, so what is that grossest

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deliver? Yeah, that's exactly right. And so he's like, he's like,

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but because I'm not going to stop
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why, I just love it too
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but the doctor said that if you
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would add years and years to your
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He said, doesn't matter because I
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long anyway, none of us are, because Jesus is coming back. And

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he also said, and I've got
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and I really don't care about saving
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on because Jesus is coming back.
This man was so absolutely convinced, which

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is not a bad thing, sure
to convince that Jesus coming back, right,

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he decided to not take care of
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you know, you know, Chris
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that conversation still rings in my ears. And so when I read a passage

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like this, how could you not
think about your friend? Oh? Right,

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right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So he had it right in

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that we should be living our life
like Jesus is going to come back at

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any minute. Yes, but Jesus
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at any minute is not that we
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money, right, that's that's not
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What I'm saying trying right, So
his start preparing, stop stop witnessing

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stuff right right. Instead, he's
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and it's coming you you won't even
know. It's like a thief in the

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night, you know. He's he
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boss that comes home early. And
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time. One of the richest men
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got married, worked on as a
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Told me he lived there, was
it? What place did he visited?

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Well? So yeah, he lived
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half the year. He lived on
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huge home and we had probably a
ten acre formal gardens and it was

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just it was magnificent, right,
So we did all the work on that.

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So we had like three or four
college guys that were just working,

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you know, summer workers. But
he had several year round a adult employees,

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some people that managed the ranch.
He owned a big cattle ranch next

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door, some that just managed his
property there. And my boss was one

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of those guys. He made good
money, had a company pickup truck,

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and he was that big cowboy kind
of guy. He just live in that

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cool life. The home he lived
in was on that estate, all that

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stuff. Just living around this.
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the big dog wasn't in town,
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But he was a total jerk and
he never did anything unless the boss,

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the owner was in the area.
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I didn't throw him under the bus, but one of the other employees had

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mentioned to the owner, Hey,
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he doesn't do anything. He just
he goes into town. He just spends

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money, he sleeps. And so
one day the owner came into town unexpected

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and rolled in, Hey where's Bill? And we were like, well,

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he's I hear right now. And
the owner got upset, said you tell

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me where's that. I know you
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we said well. And Bill had
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in one of the barns that he
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take naps. And he was in
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the boss fired him on the spot. He lost the best job he ever

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had in his life. Wow,
because the rich man showed up and said,

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hey, you're being unfaithful. So
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It's a big investigation about all the
waste. So when I read that,

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that's what I think about, is
there's going to be a day when

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Jesus shows up or when the King
shows up and so, hey, what

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have you been doing for me?
Have you been getting your work done?

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Have you been doing what I told
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us all these things so that we
like, you know, talking about your

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friends, so that we drink more
and spend more, and just blow off

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all the important things of life.
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is he's trying to focus our mission. Hey, there's work to be done.

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need you to stay focused and be

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ready because there's lots of people who
don't yet know that I'm coming back.

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There's so many people who don't know
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You need to go tell them all. And then you just have to

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be working like it's tomorrow. Work
like it's tomorrow. Work with that kind

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of urgency to bring lost people to
faith in Christ, to lay up treasures

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in heaven. As Jesus said,
to make a difference with your life.

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You have to work like it like
I'm coming back tomorrow. Because when I

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do show up, I'm gonna he
says, he's gonna, then he's gonna

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hold us accountable. There'll be judgment. In verse number twenty nine, when

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it says immediately after the anguish of
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and the moon will give no light, the stars are far from the sky,

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and the powers of heaven will be
shaken, he's actually quoting there Isaiah

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thirteen to ten, and then it
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and then it says see Joel,
chapter two, verse number ten. So

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so you know, here are these
You know, Jesus is now connecting the

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Old Testament right with what you know
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by the way, I love the
imagery of saying the Son of Man coming

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on the clouds of heaven with power
and great glory because you know, think

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about this, Jesus is about to
surrender his life, right, He's about

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to give his life to you know, to be handed over. Those guys

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who are listening don't necessarily know that
it's going to be literal and it's going

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to come any second, right,
right, But you know they're about to

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see Jesus be overpowered supposedly, right. But Jesus isn't you know, he

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let them overpower him. He says, you know, I'm nobody's taking my

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life from me. He's about to
say, I give it willingly, right.

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But you know, think about the
imagery that they're that they're going to

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see, you know, just the
picturing the final days of Jesus, and

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so this imagery of him talking about
him coming back one day is just glorious

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in this moment. Oh yeah,
that's really cool. That reminds me of

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the lyrics to that old Southern gospel
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Yeah, we hear that song.
Huh oh no, it's a great

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song. Say it for us.
I'm not going to sing it. Come

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on, Joe, I'm not going
to sing it. So I can,

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but I'm not going to. So
there is a phrase the very first sentence

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that we read here, verse twenty
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look, the Messiah's out in the
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On a semi regular basis, a
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give me their book that they've written
about when Jesus is coming back really right.

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books, where so this is the
manuscript that they wrote and it's about they're

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pretty sure they have a good idea
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then I would say probably once every
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who gives me a book that they
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confident that they know when Jesus is
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here, someone tells you, look, the Missia's out. Don't even bother

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and go look, right, So, hey, would you read this?

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And I'm like, probably not right? Right? Right? So if you

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want to give me a book about
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you're pretty sure you know it.
He wrote that book, don't give it

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to me. Give it to Chris. He'll read it. But I will

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be happy to take it and pass
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you know who. But I'm joking
on that. I've read many many

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times people would write a thing and
then I'd come back and go, hey,

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have you thought of this? Have
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And we just can't know. I
just literally today, before I came into

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the studio, I had a meeting
with a person who this is what they

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wanted to talk about, specifically,
trying to figure out my theology, the

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way I view Jesus coming back and
all those things, the importance of it,

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and it's a big deal we should
take Jesus took a long time to

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talk about this, Oh godess,
And he continues on right, he keeps

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going with this topic. Yeah,
before he left, one of the really

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big things he wanted his disciples to
know is it's all going to come to

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an end, right, and I
want you to know what's going to be

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like. And he didn't tell you
to scare you. He told you so

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that you'd be ready. And that's
really the intent behind all of this.

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And just be ready and we'll keep
talking about this. This same topic goes

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on for the next couple of days. Yep. Okay, well that's a

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good place to end. It's about
our time, so we will see you,

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hopefully tomorrow on the bubble. Guys,