1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,060 Unknown: But it's interesting how what what hits and what 2 00:00:03,060 --> 00:00:06,780 doesn't well. And you can usually tell by a live like a 3 00:00:06,780 --> 00:00:09,840 live appearance like that, yeah, you can I remember the first 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,860 time I heard Copperhead road by Steve Earle. Yeah, I knew that 5 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:16,920 was going to because, the way, because I saw it performed 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,860 twice, once solo and then another time with the full band. 7 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:25,820 This is before it came out. I saw it with a full band. The 8 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:28,940 place erupted. And I thought, Man, this is going to be a 9 00:00:28,940 --> 00:00:29,840 powerful song. 10 00:00:32,180 --> 00:00:37,820 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 11 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:42,880 goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain. 12 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:48,460 Hey, welcome back into circling the drain, the podcast that 13 00:00:48,460 --> 00:00:51,580 tries to keep the entertainment business out of the garbage 14 00:00:51,580 --> 00:00:56,140 disposal, especially us, the three J's, maybe you know us by 15 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:59,800 now. John E Bozeman right here, also known as Johnny B in some 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,640 circles, and there you've got Jay, 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,860 that's right, otherwise known as Jeff. 18 00:01:06,299 --> 00:01:10,019 Yes, Joe, I've got a whole No, that's my, that's my given name 19 00:01:10,019 --> 00:01:14,039 is Jeffrey, really? And a lot of folks, you know, they don't know 20 00:01:14,039 --> 00:01:16,679 who the hell Jay is. And then I've got a whole other side of 21 00:01:16,679 --> 00:01:20,539 folks, they have no idea who Jeff is. I've got, I've got 22 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:24,439 these J Joe, yeah, I've got this split identity thing. 23 00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:29,000 We know who Chris is, yeah, McCarthy, it's JJC. How you 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,020 doing? Jim, good. How 25 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:33,260 are you good to see you guys? Yeah, it's always fun to hang 26 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:35,660 with Johnny. B The three. J's, 27 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:39,860 baby, I'm circling the drain, and you can follow us like us, 28 00:01:39,860 --> 00:01:43,060 share. Yeah, absolutely. Like, follow, share. We're on 29 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:48,580 Facebook. We are on Instagram, barely we're on Twitter. Well, 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,080 x, formerly Twitter, yes, you have to YouTube. And of course, 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,320 you know, Jim has been the master of gaming. Us on all of 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,320 these audio platforms for podcast. We're like, on about a 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,280 dozen of them. Oh, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing all 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,180 of the outlets, but yeah, we appreciate the folks spread the 35 00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:06,720 word. 36 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:10,200 Well, we also like all of your comments. If there's anything 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,000 you like to critique about us, we take it, bring it. We love 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,960 it, we welcome it. We want you to tell us all about what you 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,760 think about our podcast circling the drain, and we try to get 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 guests on here. Sometimes they don't show up. We won't use 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 names. I won't I won't embarrass anybody, but 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,979 that one day they will come to regret it. Yes, they will. 43 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:37,099 They'll say, dang, I should have been supposed to have been on 44 00:02:37,099 --> 00:02:39,799 that. I should have gone on that podcast, on that world famous 45 00:02:39,799 --> 00:02:40,399 podcast. 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Yeah, we're gonna have some great guests coming up, but 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,980 right now, you've got us. And speaking of entertainment, which 48 00:02:47,980 --> 00:02:50,860 was what we really talk about, we you know, there have been a 49 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:56,380 lot of artists that we've seen over our radio careers and even 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,500 other ventures we've been into, like you, with being in the 51 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:03,300 music business. There have been artists that we've seen that 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,540 have not quite got as as big as we thought they would. And I 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,180 think one that comes to mind for me, and I don't mean to it's not 54 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:18,960 I'm these people have made careers. They've had decent 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,880 careers, successful, but they've been successful. But I pictured 56 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,540 them. There was a group on MCA, a group of artists that I 57 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:29,900 thought were going to be the next wave of country music. I 58 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:34,520 really believed in all of them. That was Steve Earle, Lyle, 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,720 Lovett, Nancy Griffith. I thought those three people would 60 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,560 have really been I thought they were going to be huge because I 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,340 thought they're taking country music into the next millennium. 62 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,560 They are the new country sound. 63 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:55,720 And that was the foresight and the the genius, if you will, of 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,080 country music. Hall of Famer Tony Brown, yes, sir. Tony was 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,660 head of A and R at MCA. I happen to been around in the Promotion 66 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:06,900 Department at MCA, when those artists you just mentioned were 67 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:10,500 brought aboard. Patty loveless also came in. Oh yes. And of 68 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,800 course, she too a Country Music Hall of Famer, so she's done all 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,000 right, yeah, she had hits, but yeah, you know, people have to 70 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,040 remember the time. This was 8586 71 00:04:21,779 --> 00:04:22,879 and 72 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:27,860 country music. Just really didn't know. I the country 73 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:31,640 radio, I guess I should be more specific, really didn't know 74 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,640 what it wanted. No, it didn't, you know. I mean, it was kind of 75 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:43,000 the waning of the careers of of Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn, 76 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,020 at least from a record radio hit, record, hit, yeah, 77 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,660 even though I point Waylon Jennings his, you know, his 78 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:50,740 career was starting, yeah, 79 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,020 they were on the downside of their career, you know, heck and 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,380 so, you know, Tony had the vision, and Emery Gordy was also 81 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:05,460 part of that. Yes, and I'm trying to think of some of the 82 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:10,920 other David Hungate was also a producer there. Anyway, they 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,060 they had the vision of really thinking that they could do 84 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:18,900 something with with Lyle and Nancy Griffith and and Steve 85 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:21,980 Earle. Well, I think country radio was ready for them, but 86 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:23,300 not so 87 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:26,660 much. No, they really weren't. And I, I was frustrated by it, 88 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:30,380 because I was in country radio at the time, and I did like 89 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:36,020 these people. I played the records, and I was seeing the I 90 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:39,140 was seeing the request line people asking for these records. 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,060 But the rest of the nation just wasn't 92 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:47,860 going on quite ready. Lyle leavitt's first album was not an 93 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:53,740 album that was produced by MCA, it was an album that he had done 94 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,360 in Arizona, that he had put together and done himself and 95 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,600 brought it to MCA, and we ran with that album. It had, if I 96 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,260 remember, I had cowboy man on, oh, yeah, you know, some other 97 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:10,020 good stuff. But I tell you, it was such a weird you know, and I 98 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:13,680 think we've talked about this in other podcasts, the stupid 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,260 reasons that a lot of radio people don't want to play 100 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:19,560 certain acts. And I would get all of us got the comment that 101 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,100 they didn't play Lyle Levitt because they thought his hair 102 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:22,340 looked 103 00:06:22,339 --> 00:06:26,779 funny. Oh, it was ridiculous. I remember being in on a meeting. 104 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,819 It was with several, it was, it was several industry people, and 105 00:06:31,819 --> 00:06:35,599 some of them were from the Jim Halsey company. And there was 106 00:06:35,599 --> 00:06:40,599 some, like radio guy there, and he said, I wish you guys tell 107 00:06:40,599 --> 00:06:44,559 these, some of these musicians and these singers to when they 108 00:06:44,559 --> 00:06:49,179 come on stage, we don't want to see them in torn jeans and and I 109 00:06:49,179 --> 00:06:52,659 loved what, what one gentleman told him, he said, we're not in 110 00:06:52,659 --> 00:06:56,739 the business of telling these people how to dress. And I 111 00:06:56,739 --> 00:06:59,199 thought, well, yeah, that has nothing to do with the music, 112 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:02,220 right? And listening on the radio. You know you don't hear 113 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:05,100 torn jeans. No. I mean, do you like the music or not? 114 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:08,400 You don't hear Steve earls. You know, headband. You don't you 115 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,520 know the wristband, wristband, you know, you don't even hear 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,460 him. You don't hear the click of him voting Democrat. He just had 117 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:20,100 great music. The guy was a great artist. Still 118 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:22,700 is, yeah, but you know those artists that you mentioned 119 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:27,860 there, I mean, you know, in certain worlds, Lyle Lovett, for 120 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:30,860 example, very successful. You know, he's out there with that 121 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:35,420 large band. He's been touring with that group for ever, 30 122 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:41,260 years. You know, 30 plus years. You know a sad you know, Nancy 123 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:46,300 Griffith, who passed away here a year or two back, that that just 124 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:50,860 kind of a sad story. I mean, she was, I was only around her a 125 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:54,220 little bit. Never got to know her. I don't think anybody 126 00:07:54,220 --> 00:07:58,780 really got to know her. She was very closed in, very reserved, 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:06,720 almost to the point of it being weird, yeah, you know. But she 128 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:11,880 certainly had her, her own unique style, you know, the 129 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,920 quirkiness of Lyle and Steve Earle, yes, and Nancy Griffith, 130 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,860 I think is what attracted them to, to Tony brown and the the 131 00:08:22,340 --> 00:08:26,060 group at MCA, well, that's because they were just so 132 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:28,820 different, because everything had become so homogenized. 133 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:32,720 Well, I got so tired of the cowboy hat. You know the cowboy 134 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:32,960 hat? 135 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 Yeah, the hat acts. But you know that it's Country Music's always 136 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,040 going to be that way. Johnny, 137 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,080 oh, sure. And that's, and there's room for that, of 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,760 course. You know there was one guy I know that a great artist, 139 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:47,140 David Lee Murphy. I don't think he really intended to be a head 140 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:49,840 act, but they had him where they put him in a hat, they put him 141 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,900 in a dust on the bottle. Yeah, great song, great song, great 142 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:54,340 guy. And he's written some 143 00:08:54,340 --> 00:08:58,480 great Nashville songwriter, Hall of Fame. He deserves to be. And 144 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,940 yeah, party crowd was another hit that, yeah, he had as an 145 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:03,420 artist. 146 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,160 You guys remember Emily West, they ring a bell. I don't know 147 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,120 that's exactly that's somebody who should have made it. My 148 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 buddy and I Rich, who plays with Al Dean. I did it. We did a 149 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,540 documentary on him when I first started becoming friends with 150 00:09:18,540 --> 00:09:22,100 him. And one of the things that we did was when he did a show 151 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:26,960 with her, I'll showcase Douglas corner. I want to say it was 152 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:35,120 yes. And what a voice. I mean, sing the phone book. He even 153 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,640 says in the documentary, he says, I don't care where she's 154 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,780 playing. I will play with her anywhere, anytime. I'll play 155 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:44,740 with her in the parking lot at Sears to nobody, just so I get 156 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:47,800 to play with her. Yeah, and she was just one. Just, my goodness, 157 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,540 what happened? Come on. Well, 158 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:54,820 I know it just really boggles the mind. There's a girl that I 159 00:09:54,820 --> 00:09:59,140 just fell in love with, as far as her singing, plus she played 160 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:03,840 great harmonic. Monica or Harp was Stacy Collins, I don't know 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,140 if you guys have ever heard of her. She is phenomenal. Yeah, 162 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,380 it's a shame, but I don't hear of them, no, and you never do. 163 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:11,220 And 164 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,440 for me, Susie Boggess, 165 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,240 you know, she was on Capitol and had some modest hits, but a 166 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,440 voice like a, I mean, just an angel, oh yes, and, but, you 167 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,680 know, having been, and I'm certainly no expert on this, I 168 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,440 mean, I only had a small perspective on these kinds of 169 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,920 things, but, you know, we ask ourselves, why wasn't so the 170 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:37,940 talent is there. There's no mistaking it. But it's other 171 00:10:37,940 --> 00:10:42,880 factors that play into becoming a star. The it factor, yeah, 172 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:49,420 there's that. There's maybe poor management decisions, perhaps 173 00:10:49,420 --> 00:10:54,100 family members that were managers of Acts who didn't know 174 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:59,320 what they were doing, ticked off record companies. And there are 175 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:05,100 so many other factors that that come into play, other than just 176 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:10,740 talent, extenuating circumstances that can really 177 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,940 sidetrack 178 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,080 careers. Oh, exactly. And it's all timing. It's all boy in 179 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,480 that. The big thing is finding the song. That's what it all 180 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,380 comes down to, yeah, yeah. Well, it's like I was a big fan of 181 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:28,460 Nashville rock band, Jason and the scorchers. Remember great, 182 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:33,680 great band and great talent, all of them. I really fell in love 183 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,380 with Warner Hodges, the guitar player. I loved his guitar 184 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:41,080 playing. I fell in love with it, but they just never caught on 185 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,300 with FM rock radio. They were either to country or to rock, 186 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,080 neither. Nobody would you just described Steve Earle, yeah, 187 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,700 that's why I'm with Steve. Yeah. 188 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,280 I mean, he just kind of we, you know, wedged in the middle of 189 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,700 all that. And yeah, countries thought he was rock, rock 190 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:58,540 thought he was country. 191 00:11:58,540 --> 00:12:02,520 Yep. Same with same with these guys, another guy that happened 192 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,080 to Gary Stewart, God rest his soul. Great Honky Tonk singer. 193 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,980 But he also he'd rock out, you know, he would play slide 194 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:14,640 guitar, and they didn't know what to do with him. He was too 195 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,080 wild for country music. 196 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:20,340 The other there's a lot of Canadian acts like in country 197 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:24,500 that just like really good ones that just don't seem to make it 198 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:28,340 down here, for some reason, one almost did, and they had a 199 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:32,180 really big album out of saying Oh 506, Emerson drive, oh yeah, 200 00:12:32,180 --> 00:12:35,300 yes. Great, great. Bunch of guys, I think some of them are 201 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:39,560 still here in town. What a great harmonies, great song selection. 202 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:43,420 Yeah, a really good friend of mine was their road manager for 203 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:48,640 a while, and he told, yeah, as you say, said the best group of 204 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,160 guys that he ever got to work with. 205 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:54,940 What a fun not my brother and I. He always, he's like, Whatever 206 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:57,520 happened to them? My brother's in musician as well. He's got a 207 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,480 good year. I said, Dude, I just, you know, it was C list at best, 208 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,660 maybe B list, yeah, you know, in terms of popularity, but yeah, 209 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,440 my goodness, 210 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:11,280 you know, the Mavericks, to me, always should have been a lot, 211 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,860 you know, Raoul Mallow with a voice, yeah. And you know what a 212 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:20,960 following they have, though agreed they do, you know. And 213 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:23,059 they were the ones that did remember. I was telling you a 214 00:13:23,059 --> 00:13:26,599 few episodes back about their version of a doctor. Feel good 215 00:13:27,319 --> 00:13:30,679 if you ever get a chance to listen to that. It is 216 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,879 phenomenal. It's the best. I used to love Motley Cruz version 217 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:38,479 until I heard their version, their version, because it's, 218 00:13:39,139 --> 00:13:42,999 it's more big band Latino, you know, it's just got a great 219 00:13:42,999 --> 00:13:46,959 sound to it, plus it really brings out the story of the song 220 00:13:47,199 --> 00:13:50,979 they they blew that out of the park. Wow, yeah, you guys need 221 00:13:50,979 --> 00:13:55,839 to check that out. But another band I really fell in love with. 222 00:13:56,499 --> 00:14:02,819 I saw them a friend of mine in Atlanta, Brother Dave White, I 223 00:14:02,819 --> 00:14:05,879 was going through a divorce, and he invited me down to this it 224 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:10,799 was in the middle of nowhere. It was the ozone Bar and Grill in 225 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:15,659 Covington, Georgia, and David Allen CO was playing, and 226 00:14:15,659 --> 00:14:20,719 Blackberry smoke was opening for them. For him, I fell in love 227 00:14:20,719 --> 00:14:25,279 with his band. They, you talk about good southern rock, it 228 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:30,079 just reminded me of Skinner and almond brothers packed into one, 229 00:14:30,319 --> 00:14:32,539 plus they are a little more country. Yeah. 230 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:36,320 I was introduced to them by a woman that worked for me way 231 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,200 back when, and she was always talking, you know, about 232 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,920 BlackBerry smoke. This was in Columbia, South Carolina. Oh 233 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,220 yeah. And she said, you know that they were coming through 234 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:47,260 town, and she and her husband were gonna, you know, I never 235 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:51,400 heard of these guys before. They have a following, yeah, oh 236 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,420 yeah, it's and they were smart. They're great to their audience. 237 00:14:55,780 --> 00:15:01,080 In fact, I really got to where I love the drummer. Brit Turner, I 238 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,680 would always, anytime we went to see them, I'd end up talking to 239 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,180 him after the gig. Nice Guy, super nice. He wouldn't you to 240 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:11,580 look at him. It's like one friend of mine was with me at 241 00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:14,460 one of their shows, and he said, don't look at the drummer. He'll 242 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:18,300 kill you because he looked like a biker, you know. But he was 243 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:22,460 the nicest guy, and he passed away recently, and, I mean, it 244 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:26,360 hit me like a family member. Well, it was really tough. 245 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:30,800 So he looked like the drummer for the Muppets, animal, animal. 246 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,760 He kind of did, but he's a really cool guy, but they're all 247 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,360 nice guys. I mean, the whole band, they'd stay after they 248 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,740 just knew how to how to take care of their fans, and that's 249 00:15:41,740 --> 00:15:44,980 why they've gotten as far as they have, but still they 250 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:46,900 haven't really gotten to that 251 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,420 same thing for Susan Tedeschi, yes, I do remember her. She put 252 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:55,840 a voice on her. We played her at the radio station I started at 253 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,900 in Connecticut, and did a couple of things with her, but she had 254 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:00,040 about one or two hits. 255 00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:03,420 Well, it's like that with the Georgia satellites, you know, 256 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:06,360 they had that one big hit. Keep your hands to yourself, yeah, 257 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:10,380 and they made another great album in the land of salvation 258 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:15,420 and sin. Did nothing but great, great record, great band. 259 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,080 Well, to me, an act that they should have been superstars, but 260 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,540 one of the sadder stories in music history, I guess you could 261 00:16:23,540 --> 00:16:29,420 say, was the tale of Badfinger, yeah, you know, on Apple Records 262 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:34,940 and had some great stuff. Baby Blue come and get it, yeah? Just 263 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,560 really, really fine stuff. But then after Apple folded, they 264 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,080 got into legal issues with the bank couldn't get their music 265 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,400 released, and they had a manager who swindled them, and one 266 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,200 of the Alan Klein would it, one 267 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,020 of the lead singer, I believe it was committed suicide over all 268 00:16:56,020 --> 00:17:01,500 that. I mean, it's just such a heartbreaking story. I mean, 269 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:07,800 there's a movie there about the pitfalls of of being successful 270 00:17:08,580 --> 00:17:11,520 and then having your legs cut out from under you. Well, the 271 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,640 best due to a bunch of legal crap that had nothing to do with 272 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,600 your music. Well, 273 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,780 the bad thing about that, too, was that was a time when the 274 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:22,820 Beatles, they they just made horrible decisions after their 275 00:17:22,820 --> 00:17:26,720 manager died. They should have gotten a great manager, but they 276 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,140 didn't. They first tried to do it themselves. That's what 277 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:33,200 happened with Apple. They tried to run that themselves. They 278 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,000 weren't businessmen, they were musicians. And then they got 279 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,520 with Alan Klein, who was just nothing but a shark. I mean, 280 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,420 that guy ripped off every band he ever managed, The Rolling 281 00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:50,800 Stones, The Beatles and then Badfinger just happened to, 282 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:54,700 you know, there's their song day after day. Oh yeah, that was 283 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:58,600 produced by George Harrison, yeah, you know exactly. So they, 284 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,640 I thought they were a phenomenal group, and they should have been 285 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,080 huge, but those extenuating circumstances that we kind of 286 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,740 discussed, it keeps a lot of the talents there, but it's just a 287 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:15,060 bunch of other garbage that gets in the way of some of these 288 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:17,940 artists being bigger than they ultimately were. 289 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:21,800 Well, there's a young lady that lives here. I won't use her 290 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:28,040 name, but she was Jimmy Bowen was interested in her, and he 291 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,040 was going to sign her as an artist. She did end up being a 292 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,900 hit songwriter, but I think she could have been a big artist, 293 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:39,680 because, number one, she was beautiful, had great talent, 294 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,780 played banjo like I've never heard in my life, just a great, 295 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:50,560 great talent. But her husband got involved, and he this, this 296 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,240 is a story I got that he went to Jimmy Bowen and said, she 297 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,300 deserves more money. Yeah, making. Started making demands, 298 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:00,780 and you don't do that with Bowen. Yeah. He said, Well, I 299 00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:03,420 tell you what we'll do, rip, rip, here's the 300 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:05,940 contract. Yep, it's done. I could see him doing that. Yeah, 301 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:07,440 absolutely. So 302 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,540 that'll wreck you if you're so that's, that's, that is a lesson 303 00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:17,640 to you ladies out there, don't let your husbands dictate what 304 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,080 your career is going to be. Only your 305 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:23,539 husbands grow up to be cowboys. Yeah, bully on other bigger 306 00:19:23,539 --> 00:19:26,839 cowboys. The other one that comes to mind is mutual friend 307 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:27,319 of ours, 308 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:34,220 Reggie ham Yes. Why isn't Reggie a huge he's trying. He keeps 309 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:36,920 trying. Oh, I know he keeps trying. And he's got the goods. 310 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,840 I mean, he's got the songs, he's got 311 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,080 he's got everything. Yep. Do you fellows remember an artist named 312 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:48,340 Tony Tolliver? Yes, sounds familiar? He had a record deal. 313 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:57,880 It may have been MCA back in the 90s, but I played well. I wasn't 314 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,360 in radio at the time. I was producing concerts. Back then. 315 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:06,120 But anyway, I did hear some of his stuff on radio. I met him 316 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:11,940 when he was the piano player for Dottie West. I was producing a 317 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:16,020 concert. Dottie was one of the acts on the bill. This was at a 318 00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:24,020 fair in Maine and Tony Tolliver. That guy sounded you would have 319 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:27,140 thought he was Ronnie Millsap. That's who he sounded like, Wow. 320 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:34,820 I mean, just a fabulous artist. And, you know, I had a little 321 00:20:34,820 --> 00:20:38,480 chat with him about why he didn't break through, because he 322 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,100 was a great artist, yeah, and he just said politics. 323 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:45,940 Well, that is a lot of the, you know, problem, yeah. 324 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,940 Now there may have been more to the story than that, but you 325 00:20:48,940 --> 00:20:51,280 know that was, that was his perspective. 326 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,840 Well, I always heard that with Steve Earle at MCA, a lot of his 327 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,680 problem was Sheila Shipley. Always heard that story there. 328 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:01,500 Yeah, she wasn't a fan. No, 329 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,780 that's what he's Yeah. 330 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,980 And Sheila, maybe may see this. I don't know she 331 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,980 might, you know, but it's just, you know, that's, that was the 332 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:11,580 story that 333 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:15,660 well, you know, they're at labels as anywhere. You know, 334 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,960 there are priorities, man. And you know, I've always said that 335 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,940 chart position for songs don't necessarily mean all that much. 336 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,980 No, you know, it's the politic, the political game, at least way 337 00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:34,460 back when, when you were, you know, in a Promotion Department 338 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,200 and you were pushing certain acts to to rise up the charts 339 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,580 more so than you were others? Yeah, if there was a battle 340 00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:48,340 between George Strait and Steve Earle in the top 10, yeah, 341 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,300 George, do you think is going to get George the priority? Yeah? I 342 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:56,320 mean, it's just the politics of the game, man. And at least it 343 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:03,000 was back then, and I can even remember I didn't have to do it, 344 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,120 but I know some of the other promotion people did where they 345 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,960 would have to call a radio station and say, Look, can you 346 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,200 put this is hypothetical, but these sorts of situations 347 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,720 happen. I see you've got Steve Warner at number seven and 348 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,120 George Strait at number nine. Can you swap them? Oh, yeah, 349 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:27,440 that didn't happen. Or just because the position you had in 350 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,040 the chart, you got more points, and accumulatively, that could 351 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,120 bump you up even higher on the so that kind of stuff went on. I 352 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,620 remember we had a mo Bandy record. He was on curb slash 353 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:46,600 MCA, and we were told that don't pay attention to mo just but 354 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,700 that song, it went up the charts. It was a great song. 355 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:56,500 Yeah, it went up the charts totally by itself. You know, I 356 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,800 don't know. I think maybe curb had their own promotion people, 357 00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:02,340 and they were, I don't know they were out there pushing it, but 358 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,100 at MCA, we were told, yeah, don't worry about it, yeah, just 359 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,520 ignore it. I think it was too old to die young. That may have 360 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,140 been the song, and it just went up there. I think it got to, 361 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:16,260 like, number four or something, yeah. And we never touched it, 362 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,520 you know, oh yeah. Wasn't fair. But why show biz 363 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,220 always heard that's what happened with 364 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:26,900 David Allen co put out a single Mona Lisa lost her song, oh 365 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,600 yeah. Great song, yeah. Great song, Columbia Records Yeah, 366 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:35,600 only went to number two, and it got stalled out by, from what I 367 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,260 understand, an Eddie Raven song, which I love. Eddie Raven, it 368 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:43,360 may have been, I got Mexico. It may have been that one. Yeah, I 369 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,720 can't remember the record from Electra to RCA and when it was 370 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,280 on RCA, okay, when he went to RCA, that was, I got Mexico on 371 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,900 RCA, yeah, I can't remember what record was out by him at the 372 00:23:55,900 --> 00:24:01,800 time, but it had stalled. But then RCA did some armoring and 373 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,140 got it to number one, and it bumped. And CO has always had 374 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:10,500 just, he's always that's been a sore subject with 375 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,800 that guy forever. Yeah, that was such a different song for CO. 376 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,520 Oh, 377 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,880 I mean, it was out of the Yeah, like, when I first heard it, I 378 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,140 thought that's David. 379 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Oh, I know, yeah. I mean, he had some lush or orchestration and 380 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,140 stuff. Well, he sang it very well, yeah, really? I mean, CO 381 00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:30,080 is kind of an acquired taste when it came to vocals, kind of 382 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,680 like Steve Earle, yeah, they, but, yeah, he, you know, you 383 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:35,840 didn't really want to hear anybody else singing, 384 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,440 no, that's the whole thing with that dude. I, I to this day, you 385 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,360 know, when we had Gary Gentry in here. You know he's talking 386 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:47,920 about Garth Brooks doing the ride. To me, that's 387 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,680 sacrilegious. I only want to hear David Allen COE sing the 388 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,760 ride. Yeah, 389 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,540 there are certain songs I've never really been a fan of other 390 00:24:55,540 --> 00:24:59,080 artists covering big hits. Me either. I mean, there are some 391 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,960 exceptions to that. Yeah, but, but, yeah, nobody else should do 392 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,500 the ride. 393 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Well, it's like Waylon and Willie. I love both of them, but 394 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,180 that when they covered Take, take it to the limit. No, yeah, 395 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:14,640 I know, yeah. There's no way you're gonna improve on that 396 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,180 tune. 397 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:16,440 Yeah, you know, I thought 398 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,000 Travis tritt though did improve on 399 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,260 an eagle Son, take it easy. Yeah, he did. Yeah, that's what 400 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:24,560 I was just going to mention. I like Travis's version. 401 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,660 I did too. Yeah, I did too. And I've liked Steve Earle has done 402 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:33,200 some covers that I like. He did a great cover of the stones 403 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,180 before they make me run, which was a Keith Richards song. And 404 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,100 he also did a great version of Honey, don't that was on the 405 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,760 Beverly Hill belief soundtrack that he did with Joe Walsh. But 406 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:47,380 great version of that song. 407 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,160 Well, I liked Clint Black's version of Desperado. I thought 408 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,180 he he did an okay job on that. I thought Linda Ronstadt did. Yep. 409 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,940 Linda Ronstadt. I mean, you know, you talk about singing 410 00:25:57,940 --> 00:25:59,020 phone books. She could 411 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,860 have done that. Oh, she could, and all of her covers were 412 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:03,060 usually great, 413 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:07,380 yeah. And I, you know, I loved her Nelson Riddle albums I did, 414 00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:10,200 where she did a lot of the states new, yeah, the standards, 415 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,380 just, you know, one of those versatile artists that could 416 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:17,280 sing anything. Millsap was that way. Glean Campbell was that 417 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,400 way, yeah, not everybody can sing anything. No, you know, no, 418 00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:26,540 they sound good in one particular, you know, niche. And 419 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,160 nothing wrong with that. 420 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,640 Well, I did, like, was Willie Nelson's Star Dust, yeah, it was 421 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,120 a great 422 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,940 Yes. It was, yeah. What that thing was it like, number one 423 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:37,040 or, well, I know it was on the charts for like, five 424 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,620 years. Oh, it was, yeah, crazy. It was just a great record, and 425 00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:43,960 he did such a great job of covering those tunes. 426 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,100 One of the last people that comes to mind I should have like 427 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,680 been bigger is Tim McGraw. 428 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,000 Should have been bigger. You 429 00:26:54,999 --> 00:26:58,779 know, my first exposure to Tim McGraw when I was doing 430 00:26:58,779 --> 00:27:04,559 concerts, way back when I booked Tim McGraw in a nightclub in 431 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,339 Louisville, Kentucky, before he was Tim McGrath, yes, he was on 432 00:27:08,339 --> 00:27:16,019 curb records and booked him for 3500 bucks. He and his band came 433 00:27:16,019 --> 00:27:20,599 to this, you know, we did this event at this bar in Louisville, 434 00:27:20,899 --> 00:27:25,339 and Tim was a little, he was a little chunky. Then, you know, 435 00:27:25,339 --> 00:27:28,759 kind of baby faced, you know, not, you know, he's all, he's 436 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:33,259 party now, yeah, but, yeah, he and his band, you know, went 437 00:27:33,259 --> 00:27:35,899 out, had dinner with him and stuff. I mean, you know, really 438 00:27:35,959 --> 00:27:39,259 fun guy. His band was great. Bunch of good guys. They let me 439 00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:42,579 hang on the bus with him for most of the most of the time 440 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:47,859 before and after the show. But he had told me that, you know, 441 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,679 just talking about the biz and stuff, and he was frustrated. 442 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:55,539 He's like, you know, curb just didn't work. And for me, and 443 00:27:55,539 --> 00:27:59,499 they, they've told me, my next release is a hit or, you know, 444 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:00,339 they're going to cut me. 445 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:02,520 That's gonna be a great feeling. Yeah. 446 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:03,960 And 447 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:11,280 it was about a few months later Indian outlaw came out, yes. And 448 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:18,240 there you have it, after the races, I had him booked for the 449 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,880 Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee for 7000 and of 450 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,060 course, that was, I think the show in Louisville was like, in 451 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,860 May or June or something. The Wisconsin State Fair gig was in 452 00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:38,600 August. And by then he had started to, you know, to rock 453 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,160 it. And so we canceled on this. You know, he wasn't gonna play 454 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,800 anywhere for no seven grand. Hey, that's, that's show 455 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:49,000 business, business, you know, I didn't take it too personally, 456 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,640 but, but yeah, so, you know, and he played Indian outlaw at the 457 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,920 show that we had done, yeah, and and again, most of the odd, it 458 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,520 was a pretty good little crowd, but not anybody really knew who 459 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,640 he was, you know, because he hadn't broken through yet. But 460 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,840 there were a couple, don't take the girl, he's saying that, and 461 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,680 that got a huge response from the crowd there. Indian outlaw 462 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,360 was kind of, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting how what what 463 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,920 hits and what doesn't. Well, you 464 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,020 can usually tell by a live like a live appearance like that, 465 00:29:24,020 --> 00:29:26,600 yeah, you can I remember the first time I heard Copperhead 466 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,620 road by Steve Earle. Yeah, I knew that was going to because 467 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:36,380 the way, because I saw it performed twice, once solo and 468 00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:38,840 then another time with the full band. This is before it came 469 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,240 out. I saw it with a full band, the place erupted. And I 470 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,160 thought, Man, this is going to be a powerful 471 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,320 song. That song explodes. Oh, 472 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,440 does it. And what a great record, 473 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,280 Tony brown production, man, you know, knew how to knew how to 474 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,560 get the most out of that song, you know. And I've already told 475 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,620 the story on another podcast of when I first saw him do that in 476 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:02,820 front. Of a bunch of bankers, you know, yeah, just him, you 477 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:04,200 know, and and that mandolin. 478 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:08,100 What a strange What a strange place that takes. Steve Earle, 479 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160 yeah. Well, who else have you been around that was like, 480 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,080 future greatness? Oh, wow. As we're pivoting, we've been 481 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,780 around people that should have been great. Who have you been 482 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:21,380 around like, you know, you were around Tim McGrath before he was 483 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:21,740 great. 484 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:30,260 Well, I was also worked for an agency on Music Row that did the 485 00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:33,320 country showdown, which was a talent contest. It was the 486 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,160 Wrangler country showdown for years, yeah. Then True Value 487 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,980 Hardware took it over, and GMC truck was a sponsor, and 488 00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:42,580 whatnot. Anyway, when we would go around the country with that 489 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:47,680 thing, with this talent show, we would book backup bands in the 490 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,720 respective venues where we went a lot of a lot of county fairs, 491 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,840 things like that. Well, the Oklahoma show, this was, oh 492 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:06,120 gosh, 8788 maybe. Anyway, the Oklahoma show. Garth Brooks was 493 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,840 the backup man. I didn't do that. We had another producer 494 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,340 that did it. I wasn't around him then. But, you know, they had 495 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:18,060 said how the producer is still a good friend of mine had said 496 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,780 that they were that Garth couldn't have been any nicer, 497 00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:24,560 and just, you know, really was in showed a lot of empathy for 498 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,200 the contestants and stuff, because he was trying to be an 499 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880 artist. Oh, yeah, you know, 500 00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:32,659 I loved Garth Brooks first records. That's when I really 501 00:31:32,659 --> 00:31:35,899 dug him, like, if tomorrow never comes, those 502 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,260 type of tunes, yeah, those, uh, those ballads before he started 503 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:41,800 doing and doing fever. 504 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:47,140 Well, you know, two girls that I really predicted fame for, and 505 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:51,520 it ended up happening. One was Lori Morgan, because I worked a 506 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:57,100 show with her when I was playing music. I opened for her. It was 507 00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:01,440 really weird. It was like at a naval base in Savannah, Georgia, 508 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:06,780 and she was nice as could be beautiful. But what really 509 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:10,920 struck me, I dug her voice because she had that Husky she's 510 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,420 just got this husky voice that I just love. And I kept telling 511 00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:18,900 people I said she's going to be huge. I don't think so. You know 512 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,120 George Morgan's daughter? Yeah, real hard for fo baby, yeah, 513 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:27,740 but, man, she did. She took off. She became huge, and I still am 514 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:32,480 a fan. I love her voice. Anytime I hear her sing. Another one was 515 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,700 Pam Tillis. I was working at a radio station, and she had put 516 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,560 out this song. There goes, my love, an old country standard 517 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,060 that she had redone. It was on Warner Brothers, and nobody 518 00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:49,120 thought she was going to and that song was great. It never 519 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:55,540 did anything, but I fell in love with her voice. And, man, she 520 00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:59,080 ended up becoming a huge country star. Well, 521 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,399 you know, I work for, you know, I do work for other country 522 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:05,459 stations around the country, one of which is in the cookville, 523 00:33:05,459 --> 00:33:10,259 Livingston, Tennessee area. And there's a venue there called the 524 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:15,239 Live Oak Event Center in it's not live oak. Anyway, there's a, 525 00:33:15,239 --> 00:33:18,659 there's a, it's a listening room in Livingston, Tennessee, yeah, 526 00:33:18,959 --> 00:33:21,739 iron and oak Event Center, I believe it's called, but anyway, 527 00:33:21,739 --> 00:33:25,579 they have a monthly show there called americanaville. I like 528 00:33:25,579 --> 00:33:31,879 that. And Pam Tillis was the one of the acts here a month or two 529 00:33:31,879 --> 00:33:35,119 ago. Oh, I would love to see that, yeah. And I, you know, and 530 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,339 I did phone interviews with her, and I've met her a number of 531 00:33:37,339 --> 00:33:40,959 times before at her Christmas show that was at City winery in 532 00:33:40,959 --> 00:33:46,599 Nashville, yeah. But anyway, hung with her for a while after 533 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,719 the show and stuff. Got photos, and you mentioned Laurie Morgan. 534 00:33:49,719 --> 00:33:57,699 She is going to be appearing at that venue in October, and you 535 00:33:57,699 --> 00:34:01,259 can sit as close as we are in this place. Wow. All right. I 536 00:34:01,259 --> 00:34:05,339 mean, it is a nice listening room, and the artists will 537 00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:08,759 mingle with you and all that stuff. So we need to make a 538 00:34:08,759 --> 00:34:12,059 date. Johnny B, yeah, we do. Well, let go see that. Well, 539 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:15,780 I'll tell a story here that this, maybe this is why she was 540 00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:21,320 an ex wife. But I was married to a woman that she was Catholic, 541 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,520 and we went to a Catholic service up in Madison, 542 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:32,300 Tennessee, and as we get into the church, I noticed Lori 543 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:38,540 Morgan's there, and I can tell Lori Morgan is waving to my then 544 00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:44,560 wife. And I said, Lori Morgan is waving to you. And she said, Oh, 545 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,480 I used to take her to school. I thought, well, wow, that's a 546 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,800 small world. So anyway, we sit behind Lori mor she was married 547 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,660 to Sammy Kershaw the time, and they were in the front pews, and 548 00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:02,160 we were behind them. Lori turns around, starts talking to my 549 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,880 then wife. 550 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:06,180 I'm waiting to be introduced. 551 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:12,720 Never, never happens. And we go outside, and I said, you know, 552 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,780 it would have been nice to get to meet Lori Morgan, Oh, you 553 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:18,540 wanted to meet her. Well, duh. You know 554 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:21,380 what happens when I what I do, and I'm in situations, nobody 555 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:25,460 thinks to introduce me. I go, Hi, I'm the chump. And it makes 556 00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:28,100 a person that you know doesn't introduce makes them, puts it 557 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:31,400 all, puts a spotlight on them. I should have done that. Yeah, I'm 558 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,320 just sitting here, that chump. Nice to meet you. 559 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,320 It's just me. Johnny B 560 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,980 Oh, that's just me. But anyway, I had 561 00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:44,440 an experience in Vegas when I was in my studio is like a 562 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,400 fishbowl production studio, and all these people started walking 563 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,040 down the hallway, and one guy had this really long hair and 564 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,260 everything, and we had people like that coming in all the 565 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:57,280 time. And, you know, for some reason, I was kind of paid 566 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560 attention to these people. I was like, There's something about 567 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:01,920 them. They went in there, did their interview, and they left. 568 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,900 I asked the producer. I said, Who was that? Like, oh, they're 569 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,760 in some movie that's coming out. What's the movie? My Big Fat 570 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,840 Greek Wedding. It was John Corbin Neo var dollars, all the 571 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,200 bit, all the cast that you know it. But right before the movie 572 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,140 came out, like, a month or two, it came out, and I'm like, oh, 573 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:24,440 okay, well, good luck with them. But something made me like, go, 574 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,220 oh, there's something about that was weird. Yeah, you know, you 575 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:31,100 just knew, like, a little gut feeling. Was it an IT factor 576 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,560 thing? I know, because I didn't get a good look at that, okay? I 577 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,840 just felt like, you know, like God was turning my head. Like, 578 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,120 pay attention to those people. You don't remember them. 579 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,620 What happened to us one time, it was another wife, not the one I 580 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:44,260 was just talking about, one before her. 581 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,860 We got a calculator. 582 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,260 You do with Johnny's, 583 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:56,260 sorry calculus. I have a bad matrimonial history. But anyway, 584 00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:02,520 this this ex wife and I, we were married at the time, but we were 585 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,000 at Houston's. It used to be this great restaurant called West End 586 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,420 in Nashville, and we had gone at a time when there nobody was 587 00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:18,480 there except one other couple, and my wife at the time goes, I 588 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,760 think that's Steve Earle at the other table where, and I looked, 589 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,420 and I went, Yeah, it is him. It was around the time of exit 590 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:31,460 zero, 87 Yeah, I was in 87 getting ready to be 88 I think 591 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:36,560 he was, but, and it must have been his son, maybe Justin, 592 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:40,720 whichever son it was, he was like, just making a mess. He was 593 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,560 throwing, you know, napkins everywhere, and Steve wasn't 594 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,280 paying attention. Steve was bitching about MCA, yeah, 595 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400 because we could hear everything. Steve was real loud. 596 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,180 And I think he was with, he wasn't with his wife. He was 597 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:58,600 with a girl that ended up being his wife. I think Theresa 598 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,420 ansonette, it used to be. She found a she she signed Guns and 599 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:06,840 Roses. She was with Geffen Records. Oh gosh, and they were 600 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,640 dating on the sly, and it was them. They were having dinner 601 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,620 together, and Steve was bitching about MCA. But my, my wife at 602 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:21,920 the time, she goes, You gotta go talk to him. I said, No, for one 603 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,160 thing, they're eating. For another, he's not in a good 604 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,800 mood, so I don't think he's gonna be real up for a guy 605 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,660 going, Hey, man, love your music. 606 00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:33,980 Will you sign my menu? 607 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040 Would you sign this napkin that your son just threw on the 608 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,520 floor? 609 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,440 Yeah? You remember when 610 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:44,320 Harrington vineyards came about. Yes, kicks Brooks, right, yes. 611 00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:48,520 And I ran into him at Vanderbilt stadium on a football game. And 612 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,940 he's walking everybody, I think we were getting to our seats 613 00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:56,200 before the football game. I which we had gone there, like 614 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,780 the weekend before, really, really enjoyed it. We were kind 615 00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:03,720 of becoming wine aficionados or whatever. And I go running up to 616 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,760 him. I'm like, Hey, mind you, I'm not, you know, remotely 617 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,700 impressed by celebrities at this I've met enough of them, right, 618 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,340 right? But he kind of, he turned around, looked at me. He's a 619 00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:18,660 tall dude, and he could tell the look on his face like, oh gosh, 620 00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:22,760 you just tell he's like, okay, here it comes. I said, I love 621 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,920 your wine. And all of a sudden he's like, thanks, man, 622 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,620 completely changed the dynamics. Like that really is good to say 623 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,080 if you hear because it was a new venture for him. Yeah, you know 624 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000 what I mean. So maybe next time you you know, 625 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,180 Hey, man, I don't know what you'd say to Steve. 626 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,460 Love your movie. 627 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,180 Love that leaves the grass, but yeah, that's one thing you never 628 00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:55,720 want to do. That's one thing I do. People have asked me, Well, 629 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,200 what? Why didn't you get a picture with them? Oh, see, I 630 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,520 just don't I. Don't, don't play the germ. Yeah? So that's why I 631 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,240 went wrong with Waylon Jennings. I really didn't know for him, 632 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,420 one, I didn't know what Waylon was going to talk to me. It was 633 00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:13,500 in a business meeting situation. I was a nobody, yeah? And I 634 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:18,840 thought he's not good. I wasn't prepared. And when he I think I 635 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,520 know you from somewhere, and all I did was, you don't know me, 636 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:25,640 but man, I dig, I dig Willow wolf survive. I said, it's a 637 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,540 great record. Just want to tell you, I love your music. And for 638 00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:33,440 some reason, that did not sit with and he avoided me the 639 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,180 entire time. I probably should have lied and said, you know, we 640 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:42,700 met one time we were buying some of that booger sugar, you know, 641 00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:46,900 but I didn't go down that road. Didn't want to lie. We 642 00:40:46,899 --> 00:40:51,939 actually had Lee Allen Baker on the small town podcast about, 643 00:40:51,939 --> 00:40:54,879 probably about a year ago. She's an actress. She's moved here 644 00:40:54,879 --> 00:40:58,779 from California. She's a big she's on a speaking circuit now, 645 00:40:59,019 --> 00:41:03,059 speaking against all the things, why she moved from California, 646 00:41:03,059 --> 00:41:05,579 essentially, very conservative values, those kinds of things. 647 00:41:05,879 --> 00:41:09,839 But she was on the podcast, and, you know, they're a client, I'm 648 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:12,479 a vendor. I don't, you know if there's somebody of note, and be 649 00:41:12,479 --> 00:41:14,579 like, Hey, man, you mind if I get a picture? You know, I'll 650 00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:16,979 kind of, I may do that, but I haven't done that. But she 651 00:41:16,979 --> 00:41:19,079 actually, she's like, you want a picture, too? I'm like, Yeah, 652 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,519 sure. Why not? That's cool. Took a picture with her, and she had, 653 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:23,779 she taught me how to pose. 654 00:41:23,899 --> 00:41:30,079 So, you know, wow. I was at a Lyle Lovett recording session at 655 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,759 soundstage studio. And they were, they were overdubbing 656 00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:41,499 backing vocals. I want to say Harry Stinson was, what a great 657 00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:44,799 was one of the guys doing backing. But anyway, sitting 658 00:41:44,799 --> 00:41:49,539 there in the in the studio, and, you know, like, love studios, 659 00:41:49,539 --> 00:41:52,599 there's these couches and stuff, kind of behind the console and 660 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:56,139 stuff, you know, where you just come in and relax and listen to 661 00:41:56,139 --> 00:42:00,179 what's going on. And I'm sitting on a pretty long couch, and 662 00:42:00,179 --> 00:42:06,299 there is a woman sitting on the other end of the couch, and she 663 00:42:06,299 --> 00:42:10,859 had a ball cap on and was dressed very just kind of 664 00:42:10,859 --> 00:42:14,759 frumpy, you know, just casual. And we started kind of chatting 665 00:42:14,759 --> 00:42:19,559 a little bit about things. Never introduced ourselves. We're just 666 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,219 kind of chatting, and I don't even remember about what in 667 00:42:22,219 --> 00:42:26,839 particular. But anyway, Lyle comes in, and they're listening 668 00:42:26,839 --> 00:42:29,719 to stuff and going over some things. But anyway, before they 669 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,899 do that, he comes into where we're sitting, and the woman 670 00:42:32,899 --> 00:42:37,939 stands up and gives Lyle this big hug, and it was Linda 671 00:42:37,939 --> 00:42:43,479 Ronstadt. And you know, she had no makeup on. Just had the ball 672 00:42:43,479 --> 00:42:46,899 cap that I didn't, I didn't reckon and quite frankly, you 673 00:42:46,899 --> 00:42:51,579 know, I was kind of caught not to ogle or stare at women in 674 00:42:51,579 --> 00:42:54,159 particular. So I never really did. It was kind of dark, you 675 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,799 know, studios, it's kind of dark, darkly lit in there 676 00:42:56,799 --> 00:43:01,319 anyway, right? So I never really gave her a good look. But then 677 00:43:01,319 --> 00:43:08,219 what I realized who it was. I'm like, you know, but, and I 678 00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:12,779 never, I never say because they started giving all chatty and 679 00:43:12,779 --> 00:43:16,499 stuff, and I never did want anyone that's like, muscle in 680 00:43:16,499 --> 00:43:19,739 and introduce myself while they're talking like you were at 681 00:43:19,739 --> 00:43:23,659 the at the Indy car race. Yes, exactly I learned from that 682 00:43:23,659 --> 00:43:26,059 experience. You got to seize the moment. 683 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,560 That's right. Well, it's very it. I was at MCA Records one 684 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,700 time, probably at the time you were there, I was having to pick 685 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:38,840 up some records, yeah, that we didn't get because we were a 686 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,640 small station, and I was in the outer lobby, and all of a sudden 687 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,240 I see this girl coming out of she was getting ready to come 688 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,420 into the lobby, and I didn't I thought, Man, that girl looks 689 00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,840 familiar, and it was Patty Loveless, but she didn't have 690 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,620 any makeup on anything, and I think she could tell I 691 00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:03,420 recognized her, and I think it bothered her, because she was 692 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,140 thinking, Oh God, my makeup, yeah, so she like, ducked and 693 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,660 incognito, yeah, 694 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:10,680 exactly, 695 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:13,140 yeah. That wouldn't surprise me, that kind of sounds, you know, 696 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:19,020 back then, Patty was extremely shy, you know, she would, when 697 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,920 she would sit around you, she would just be shaking. She was 698 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,700 so really, 699 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,240 yeah, always thought she was such a pretty girl and such a 700 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,860 great talent. Well. 701 00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:32,300 And I tell you, it is kind of amazing that, well, you know, 702 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,900 you were talking about family members as management. Her 703 00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:43,600 brother, Roger Ramey was her manager at the time, and me, 704 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,180 Roger was an okay guy, but he was by no means a, you know, a 705 00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:52,780 top tier manager. Let's just put it that way. And I think that's 706 00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:55,660 one of the things. I'll be honest. Bowen didn't, he didn't 707 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:59,920 believe in patty. This was a Tony brown thing, really. And. 708 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,240 And I think one of the things that tone turned Bowen off was 709 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:07,260 the fact that her brother, who was kind of a goob, was her 710 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:09,960 manager, you know, he just didn't want fool with it. Yeah? 711 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,280 He just said, have time for that. 712 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,580 That's why I understand about Jimmy Bowen. He did not, he did 713 00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:15,780 not care for goobs. 714 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,920 Yeah, he was no nonsense guy, you know, only saw him get 715 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,240 pissed once we were in a meeting, a promotion meeting. 716 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,140 And, you know, he was always because he was stoned most of 717 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:32,780 the time, but he was always real laid back and just smooth and 718 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:37,220 relaxed and but, boy, he really jumped on one of our promotion 719 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:40,300 people. He was a retail promotion guy named Mark Maynard 720 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:45,340 who passed away suddenly. He's young man too here a few years 721 00:45:45,340 --> 00:45:50,260 ago, sad, sad stuff. But anyway, he jumped on all over Mar I 722 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:56,740 mean, it was like it was, you know, Jekyll and Hyde man. I had 723 00:45:56,740 --> 00:46:01,860 never seen him just really get on somebody, yeah, especially in 724 00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:04,680 a meeting in front of everybody else, and all the rest of us are 725 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,500 kind of looking at each other like, God, dang. Have you ever 726 00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:12,060 heard him go off like, I mean, we were all stunned that he 727 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,020 really lost it. 728 00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,080 I've heard both stories about him that he could either be 729 00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:20,220 really cool or be pretty vicious. 730 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,200 Well, he was, he was definitely cool, and he helped me with a 731 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:30,380 personal issue that I've always been thankful for. I too have 732 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,360 one ex wife and 733 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,240 show off. Yeah, no. 734 00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:43,360 Anyway, when, when we moved up to Nashville. Anyway, we we 735 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:49,060 divorced when we got up here, and I needed some I needed some 736 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:54,100 representation. Attorney wise, and Bowen 737 00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,160 got an attorney for me 738 00:46:58,780 --> 00:47:03,660 and to help me with all this stuff. And the attorney didn't 739 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,960 charge me a dime. I won't say who the attorney was, but he was 740 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:15,420 a powerhouse. He was a Watergate attorney. Man, yeah, and it was, 741 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:18,120 it was pretty god was looking out for you. It was a pretty 742 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,040 cool it was a pretty cool experience. 743 00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:21,919 But anyway, I mean, that's the kind of age out of this thing. 744 00:47:21,979 --> 00:47:23,539 Yeah, that's 745 00:47:23,539 --> 00:47:26,239 the kind of guy Bowen was, though, for his, for his people, 746 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,439 yeah, you know, that's what you want, you know, because I went 747 00:47:30,439 --> 00:47:33,079 to him, you know. And it's almost back then, it was almost 748 00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:37,759 like going to the Pope, you know. You know his, his 749 00:47:37,759 --> 00:47:41,199 secretary, exactly, his secretary. Abby deumbrian was 750 00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:44,859 his assistant, his secretary, administrative assistant, back 751 00:47:44,859 --> 00:47:47,499 then. She was the gate. Yes, she was, you know, and I went to 752 00:47:47,499 --> 00:47:49,839 Abby. I said, Man, you know, I got a personal issue. I think 753 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:52,659 maybe Bowen might be able to offer me some advice. Anyway, 754 00:47:52,659 --> 00:47:56,139 you know, got in to see him and told him what was going on. And 755 00:47:56,379 --> 00:47:59,619 he says, Oh, you need a real Bulldog, huh? I say, Yeah. He 756 00:47:59,619 --> 00:48:05,339 says, I got just the guy for you and set that up for me. And, you 757 00:48:05,339 --> 00:48:08,819 know, help me with my situation, wow. And, and the attorney 758 00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:12,179 didn't charge me one penny. Wow, yeah. I mean, that's the kind of 759 00:48:12,179 --> 00:48:14,999 clout Bowen had, man, see, I needed somebody like, you know, 760 00:48:14,999 --> 00:48:22,459 if you were an FOB friend of Bowen, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was 761 00:48:22,459 --> 00:48:24,799 carte blanche with, you know, with certain 762 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,040 things, yeah, I bet Steve Earle wasn't part of those fobs. Was 763 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,220 he 764 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,840 probably not. Well, I tell you what, though Bowen did like, he 765 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,560 liked Steve Earle, did he Oh yeah, yeah, he did. He just 766 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,660 thought that he had some there was a raw energy about him. Oh, 767 00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:45,880 yeah, he really liked, but yeah, again, just trying, as we've 768 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,640 said, you know, is he country? Is he rock and roll, you know, 769 00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,760 Donnie and Marie, you know, a little bit country, yeah, rock 770 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,260 and roll. But he, you know, he just really, you know, square 771 00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:00,240 peg, round hole, man, from a promotion standpoint, yeah, he 772 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:00,900 was tough to 773 00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:04,440 well, and country radio was much different then. I mean, it was 774 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,920 like, like you said, it was going through a transitional 775 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,220 period, because you were, you were kind of coming off the 776 00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:15,600 afterburn of Merle, haggard Waylon, Jennings all that, and 777 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,900 going into a new phase with George Strait and and then Steve 778 00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:24,380 Earle and Lyle Lovett and Nancy Griffith just couldn't, yeah, 779 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,220 just different, yeah, because Dwight Yoakam, I honestly didn't 780 00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:31,700 think Dwight Yoakam was going to make it personally, because I 781 00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:37,760 got to hear his album before it came out, and somebody asked me, 782 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,140 said, What do you think of this guy? And I said, it's retro, but 783 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,640 doesn't do much for me. I ended up really liking Dwight Yoakam 784 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,360 there. There was a competition, if you will, between Steve Earle 785 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,820 and Dwight Yoakam. Oh, yeah, in terms of promotion. And in fact, 786 00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:58,600 Bowen used to make a joke how he would pay somebody. He would 787 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,740 give somebody 5000 Dollars, if they would get a picture of 788 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:05,100 Dwight Yoakam without his hat, because they all thought he was 789 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:09,060 bald, you know, and he was, yeah, you know, it was just kind 790 00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:13,380 of a friendly joke in jest kind of thing. But there was a, there 791 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:17,220 was certainly a rivalry there. Well, I heard trying to get, you 792 00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:21,680 know, because I would have radio guys tell me, Well, I would play 793 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,500 Steve Earle, I would play Dwight yocomb, but I ain't gonna play 794 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:28,340 them both. Yeah, again, stupid reasons. Oh, and radio people 795 00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:32,120 come up with but they only felt that they thought that they were 796 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,540 similar in in genre, I guess because they were a little 797 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:36,860 different for the 798 00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:40,540 time. Well, them, and it was really weird, Randy Travis got 799 00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:44,140 thrown in that group too. Yeah, it was Randy and Dwight and 800 00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:47,860 Steve. They called them new traditionalists. Yeah, Steve was 801 00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:49,900 not a tradition. Oh, no at all. 802 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,220 No, not at all. You 803 00:50:52,540 --> 00:50:55,360 know, he had some songs that had steel guitars and stuff in them. 804 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,560 Well, sure, he was no I remember from exit zero, number 29 is the 805 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,340 name of a song. Oh, I love that. The lyrics to that are just 806 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:08,160 brilliant. Oh, they are that. But yeah, Steve traditionalist, 807 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,380 now, yeah, I remember the first time I heard or Randy Travis. I 808 00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:17,460 had a promo copy of a cassette from a movie soundtrack. I don't 809 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:21,680 even remember the movie, but Randy Travis was part of that 810 00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:26,540 had a cut on the soundtrack for this film. And I remember 811 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,500 mentioning to my Warner rep at the time, who the hell is that 812 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:36,260 guy? I thought he just had a he sounded terrific, yes, and the 813 00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:39,680 wreck and the record, I can't talk the record rep didn't know 814 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,380 who he was. That was before they had even, right? You know, had 815 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:47,380 storms of life, you know, all that had come down the pike 816 00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:51,760 yet. Well, he was playing at the Nashville Palace forever. He was 817 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,720 a dishwasher, yeah? And he would, he would sing, and he 818 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,060 went by different names, like Randy trewick, 819 00:51:58,060 --> 00:52:00,660 yeah, that's his real name, yeah, treywick. But I remember 820 00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:06,000 Demi mosesman was my Warner Brothers rep, and he's like, I 821 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,700 don't know who that couldn't tell me anything about him, 822 00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:12,240 yeah, because they haven't, you know, didn't push him to the to 823 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:18,900 the reps yet. But it's again, you know the pendulum man, you 824 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:22,880 know the Zach top is out there now, country artist, yes, who 825 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,580 comes from the Bluegrass world, right? Because he's been playing 826 00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:30,140 bluegrass since he was a little kid. I really like, like, what 827 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:34,400 he's doing, yeah, but I'm, I respect a lot of what considered 828 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,700 modern country, you know, I think there's room for all of 829 00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:41,200 it, but I am more of a traditionalist at heart, you 830 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,020 know, I am too, you know, I'd like, man, give me the fiddles 831 00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:48,580 in the steel guitar. Oh, me too. I do love the twin fiddles, 832 00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:51,040 especially, you know, I mean, you're looking at a guy that 833 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,120 will still throw in a Bob Wills CD, you know, yeah, because I 834 00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,600 just, I just love the western swing. And I recall, there. You 835 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,080 remember the play a wolfies down on lower broad? Yes, I do. They 836 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,640 used to have a western swing night there, and Stuart Duncan, 837 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,620 and a lot of these just fantastic Nashville session guys 838 00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:16,440 would get together there on it was like, Tuesday nights or 839 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,980 something, oh yeah, and play nothing but western swing. And 840 00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,480 it was the best damn stuff that that you've ever heard. 841 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,460 Man, well, that's the great thing about Nashville, and 842 00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:28,940 that's what makes Nashville so magical, is that there are great 843 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:32,720 places like that, like you have the Bluegrass Inn, which? Man, 844 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,560 you have some great bluegrass. Fact, no one really knew about 845 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,400 Dale McCarthy until, you know they see him at the Bluegrass 846 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,340 Inn. You know, just some great 847 00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:46,900 music. You know, the station in, you know, has a bluegrass night 848 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:51,400 jam, a jam night on Sunday nights at seven o'clock, free. 849 00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:54,820 And you can go in there and just, you know, your jaw will 850 00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:58,900 drop for three hours. It's like, you know, these short, fat guys 851 00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:03,300 that are about 70 years old, get in there and tear stuff up, man. 852 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,160 Guys that you know, who are these people? And it's just 853 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:08,760 amazing. 854 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,560 Well, I walked in, and probably the last story we'll have, but I 855 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,980 walked into 12th and Porter, one time I was going to see a band 856 00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:21,860 of guy that used to work at the radio station kept telling me 857 00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:24,620 about his band, so I thought, well, I'll go check these guys 858 00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:28,760 out. I was single at the time, and I walk in, and, I mean, the 859 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,060 place is packed. When I can't find a place to park, I'm 860 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:37,040 thinking, Wow, these guys must be great. And I walk in, and 861 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,780 there's a guy at the front door, and he doesn't take any cover 862 00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:45,040 from me, and I'm thinking, wow, this is wild. Place is packed. I 863 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,600 can barely walk. I go into the club, and all of a sudden I'm 864 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,900 hearing some of the best blues guitar I've ever heard in my 865 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:57,580 life. The thing is, I'd hit the wrong night. I got the night 866 00:54:57,580 --> 00:55:01,500 mixed up. This was Charlie Dan. Daniels, Oh, wow. Charlie 867 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,920 Daniels was jamming. He was doing some special thing at the 868 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,080 club. He was doing like a Stevie Ray Vaughan song. And, I mean, 869 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,340 just smoking it. I'd never heard Charlie Daniels really play 870 00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:18,900 guitar. The dude was blowing me away. That's the great thing 871 00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:24,200 about Nashville, is that things like that happen. You'll go see 872 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,640 somebody here. It'll be impromptu, or you're not 873 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,500 expecting it's just, that's why I love Nashville. It's a very 874 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:37,100 magical place as far as music goes, I think, yeah, 875 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,720 sometimes, as you say, somebody will jump out of the crowd, you 876 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,840 know, or maybe you're there to see somebody that's pretty 877 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,240 unknown, yes, but you know, Jason al Dean's in the crowd, 878 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:52,300 yeah, you know, he'll jump up and sing us. You know, it's just 879 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:55,360 that kind of stuff happens. It does. You know, not many cities 880 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,000 where you can say that, other than Nashville, that's 881 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,800 very true. And you know, magical things happen here too, on 882 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,940 circling the drain that they do, and please join us whenever. You 883 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:10,740 can also hit us up on circling the drain.net. 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