Alison: Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe that's the next time, instead of going to a castle we'll
go on like a cheese roadtrip.
Matt: Ooh.
Cheese trips.
Alison: A cheese-inspired road trip and go to the best, most
ridiculous places to acquire cheese.
Matt: You're speaking my language.
I love it.
You look nice today.
Alison: I showered.
I had to get in front of clients.
So I decided to pretend like I'm a whole adult.
And not a toddler.
Matt: Yeah.
Gosh.
Being a toddler is fun.
hi.
Hi, Alison.
How are you?
Alison: Hi, Matt.
I'm so good.
How about you?
Matt: I'm okay.
I'm okay.
It's uh, I had a.
I'm just having a, like, You know what it is.
I think I'm burned out.
That's all.
Alison: I get it
Matt: I just, yeah, I think, that proverbial wall.
Yeah, I think I just, just need a little break.
Alison: You've slammed into the wall and now you're just sliding down it.
Matt: My spirits are high.
My, just exhaustion level is.
Whew.
Yeah.
By the way, welcome to ADHd20.
This is a podcast that tries to find the intersection between...
Alison: ADHD
and
Matt: Dungeons and Dragons.
two great tastes that taste great together in our mind, and I am also, you spoke
of trying new medicines last week.
And I am.
I'm in the process of, trying to convince my doctor to allow me to spend
more money on it on a drug know works..
Alison: Oh, no!.
The quest for the perfect cocktail will never be complete.
Matt: The perfect drug, the perfect drug, yeah.
Alison: My, my symptoms have gotten a little bit better.
I have shifted from being awake for a few hours in the middle of the night.
To awake by around 5:00 AM.
So still not averaging enough sleep at night, but shifting
into some maybe next week.
we'll move to my normal wake up time of like 6:30, 7,
will be right with the world.
Matt: I bet you, will.
I have discovered much to my chagrin.
Is that exercise helps.
Oh, really wish it wasn't.
But it really does.
We've been walking and just walking.
We've just been walking
Alison: I know, I can't, I know I need to, I, I.
I know for a fact, you are a thousand percent, right.
Not when it is 95 degrees and 80% humidity.
I, I, I just, I.
I'm unable to can.
Matt: It was very difficult to get on to the train.
Cause it is hot and it makes you itchy and irritated and angry.
But early morning it makes you hateful.
That's a great word.
Hateful.
But I, I know, I know.
It's bad here, which means it's real bad where you are.
Alison: It's okay.
We've made it to August.
Which means next month is September, which means by October, maybe we will
have some relief in temperatures.
Matt: And then.
Cheese Castle.
Alison: And then life gets so much better in the fall.
And cheese.
But we're probably going to cut the entire intro and everybody this
entire episode is going to be like, why do they keep bringing up cheese?
You'll never know.
Matt: You'll never know just how much we cheese.
All right.
So, today on ADHd20.
I was asking Alison what...
she had prepared some notes and I said, I can't remember what I'm supposed to
remember what we're talking about today.
And she said,
Alison: Don't worry
Matt: Don't worry about it, which is truly one of the kindest things
anyone could ever say to me.
Alison: But before we dive into that, you know what we have to do, right?
Matt: I do I do I do.
Alison: It's time to roll those beautiful d100s for the ADHd100 table.
And.
I'm rolling a lot of even numbers today.
Matt: 72 is my number.
Alison: Alrighty.
Alrighty.
What aspect of D&D took the longest for you to learn or
absorb because of your ADHD?
Matt: Ooh.
Gosh, these are great questions, man.
These are really great questions.
Let's see.
Uh, it's still happening for me.
The most difficult thing for me to remember are all of the conditions.
Alison: Just what each of them mean and what happens when you are...
Matt: Blindness versus stunned versus this, versus that versus all
of the different conditions that happen in combat or our elsewhere.
I love the advantage disadvantage system in general.
I love that.
Um, and I know that a lot of them have to do with advantage and
disadvantage, but I feel like those are little things that kind of get
into my brain and they're gone.
They just do not, do not lock in.
But our friend.
Hi Fitz, we have to mention Fitz every But Fitz seems to have a,
just right at the, just ready to go.
Alison: In your defense though, they don't always make sense.
So like one, I always struggle with, I feel like if someone's
grappled, you should be rolling with advantage to hit them, right?
Cause they're held in place.
Probably by an ally.
But that's not the case.
So there are certain times where if somebody has a condition
you do or don't get advantage, that doesn't line up logically.
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: Maybe that's it.
I'm going to give you credit where credit's due for the inability
to remember some of these.
Matt: Thank you.
Thank you.
But yeah.
That, one's super tough for me.
Okay.
How about you?
Roll some dice.
Alison: I rolled a 60.
Matt: 60.
Ooh.
Oh, Who is your favorite maker?
What does that question
What does that question even mean?
Alison: People who make minis or dice or, uh, rolling trays or notebooks.
And it doesn't necessarily have to just be in the D&D community, but
what Etsy shop or Instagram account or otherwise are you a huge fan of.
Um, my favorite maker, and this is actually funny, cause I just
reached out to her last week to tell her about this podcast.
Uh, found her on Instagram.
Uh, her name is Gabby, her, um, handle shop, et cetera, is Maise Designs.
It's M-A-I-S-E Designs and she makes the most beautiful dice.
And she makes these sets.
She calls them her Nebula sets.
So she puts, I don't even know what it is.
Um, What's the word like, like almost like a shiny crinkly cellophane inside dice.
So they look lit from within, they are.
Yes, that's it.
That's the word I'm looking for!
So like they just, they have a light inside of them, it feels like.
I decided to commission some dice.
That's how serious I got about this.
I was like, I'm going to pick somebody whose art I admire, reach out, and
ask to own a piece of what they do.
And she just, she couldn't be more wonderful.
I love all of her content.
I love everything she designs.
And she introduced me to my favorite ADHD account on Instagram
called ADHDelite, which is a very funny, it's a meme account.
In.
fact, they posted a meme last week, right after we published the last
episode, all around object permanence and friendship degradation mechanics.
Matt: Wow.
Alison: So everything always just feels like connected and on par.
So Gabby, if you're listening, I love your stuff.
I love owning a set of your dice and everybody should go
follow her because she's fab.
Yay.
All right.
Are you ready to find out what
Matt: I really
Alison: Alison thinks that we should do
Matt: I really am.
Really am very excited.
Alison: This could tank so hard.
I'm just going to warn you.
But Here's the bright idea I had, but a few minutes ago.
I'm calling it The Potluck Episode.
Matt: Okay.
Alison: What if I went into all of our old outlines and scraped all of the
things we keep forgetting to talk about.
Because we do, we have these outlines every single week, and then we get
off track and distract ourselves and talk about any and everything else.
So what if we kind of give ourselves one more chance to cover some of
these topics here on episode 11.
Matt: Yeah.
Let's do it.
Let's try it.
Alison: So what, what you're going to do is you're going to roll a D 12 for me.
And that will dictate what topic we approach first.
It's very trusting of you to.
Matt: Oh man.
Alison.
I would go anywhere with you.
I would jump that train.
And, in that spirit, I rolled an eight.
Alison: Oh,
Matt: Oh no, oh no.
Alison: This is, a so we've, we've actually talked about half of this, but
we haven't talked about the first half.
Dating with ADHD.
Matt: Oh,
Alison: That's the second half is dating party members, which
we did approach with Tey.
And why prior to our Strahd campaign, I was very strictly
no romance in the D&D campaign.
But yeah, dating with ADHD comes with its own special...
I don't even know what the word I'm looking for is, especially if
the other person doesn't have ADHD.
Or is not experienced dealing with people with ADHD.
Matt: And we're talking to specifically dating, right?
Dating in the sense of multiple dates or, or is it the point where you've
been on multiple dates with one person.
Do we need a specification there?
Okay.
So I think I would imagine that it would be really amazing to go on a date with us.
The first date.
I think the first date would be really amazing.
Because I think we would be super creative about it.
I think go to a fun thing.
We would be like, very charming and probably a little bit.
too forward.
So we, yeah, we might be a little bit too forward.
The emotion...yeah?
Yeah.
Alison: Is that ADHD, cause I'm always way too forward when I'm interested.
Can we blame it on that?
Matt: I think so because We would get very emotionally.
Impulse control, meh.
And then also the excitement and the idea of romance.
But I remember.
Not that I was a dating, dating person.
I didn't.
You know, The dates that I went on, I did try to like who are you?
What are you into?
What are you doing?
Like.
Man, you know, So that's the first one, maybe the second one.
Uh, and then you're going to start noticing that we might be late.
We might actually be late on the first.
And then you're going to notice that we're like, late and then we'll,
we will maybe forget some things.
Or, our moods might come in right to the experience.
Which will be complicated.
Uh, and then you just have to have the patience of Job, right.
Because once you really start to realize, oh, wow.
This is somebody with ADHD.
And then you have to have patience and you have to have understanding.
But I would say, I'd say the first date.
Alison: Super chill.
Super fun.
Matt: Pretty cool.
I would say.
I don't know.
What do you think?
No, not chill for us.
But cool.
What do you think?
Alison: It's so funny because like, as you're saying all these things I'm of
course reflecting on because I've only dated you and I are very much opposite,
then you're like the serial monogamist and I'm like the I'm going to go on two
or three dates and then lose interest.
And I get crippling anxiety around dating, especially the first date.
I hate first dates.
'Cause I just, I want to be in that, like, I want to be in a comfortable place.
I don't want to experience the new thing.
It is everything we've talked about on every single episode before, where.
All I want is to find the rhythm and find the groove, which in dating is
impossible to do without going through it.
Um, And I've never once thought about linking that to my ADHD.
I always blamed anxiety for that.
Here we
Matt: I mean, comorbid.
Comorbid.
Nice to meet ya.
Uh Yeah.
Interesting.
What do you think could change that, help that, or make it a little better than.
Again, that's the, that's also it, right?
Like the understanding.
You know, I mean, I think it'd be kind of lame to, to go
into a date and say, oh yeah.
I have ADHD and I'm, unless it's, unless than there's an understanding there.
I feel like, I don't know whether you want to talk about that a
whole lot on the first date.
I honestly would rather learn more about the person that I'm on the date
with, then talk about myself, but.
But let's erase all that.
Let's say there is that understanding, which is that safe space.
Do you think that would change things?
So you think that would.
What do you think?
How would that affect.
I wonder.
Alison: If only people could see the look on my face right now.
It's giving serious, "no" and that's,
So part of this is dating with ADHD.
And part of this is dating in 2022.
The only way to date seems to be online dating, which I've
absolutely just said no to.
I will get on these apps once or twice a year.
And be like, okay, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to, I'm going to figure out, like how can I
gamify this experience for me?
How can I find the fun bit and pull at that?
So what most recently happened to me, I was last on about a month ago.
Matched with some guys got to talking.
And then just lost interest.
Like it, it became work to even reply to them.
And I said to myself, okay, I need to get back off the apps because if I don't
even want to do this, so I don't have a good answer to your question, I think.
And that's, I think that's okay though.
That's not the route that I need to take to meet him.
So, uh, I'll let you know when I figure it out.
To be continued, to be determined.
Matt: I love it.
Good answer.
Alison: All right, I'm gonna roll a d12 now, unless you want to keep rolling.
We can go back and
Matt: Please roll, yeah.
Alison: Let's see how many of these we want to get through.
Um, Okay, this is a good one too.
I rolled big number one.
How have our care plans evolved over the years?
I mean, I have one now and I never did before.
So
Matt: Oh like our personal care plans.
Alison: I mean, I really am not trying to be flippant, but it
started with, the diagnosis.
Six, seven years ago for me.
It was ignored for a few years.
So there's evolution one.
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: Diagnosed and then nothing.
Um, And then started the therapy, on and off therapy, you know,
throughout the years that followed.
And then as I've shared.
I now went to my primary care doctor and said, I want to.
I want to collaborate with you on some ways to treat this, um, And.
This!
Opening up an open.
Yeah.
Opening up a dialogue, a conversation.
Inviting as many people as want to be part of that conversation with us.
Both for themselves and for ones that they love and that's what's been fun,
is getting to know my friends better because of this, having them get to know
me better and then getting to know where they're struggling either for themselves
or with a loved one, has been, an excellent, I think part of my care plan.
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: It has evolved.
I am very happy to report.
Matt: I love that.
I think mine is similar.
I think.
I've just had maybe a few more.
Yes.
I have ADHD.
No, I don't have ADHD.
Um, a few more of those in life.
I think one of the biggest things for me is accepting that.
And this was the hardest one for me.
I think.
Accepting that it is a disability.
um, Again, because compared to my wife, that word is very different
in my mind, but the idea of...
something that just makes things tougher for me.
You know, This week and last week, if I am feeling a burnout and I'm
just like watching myself shut down and I'm like, please, man, like I
tried to just, you know that, that stupid a lawn mower that won't start.
You're like c'mon.
And you get, you're getting more and more mad because it just won't catch.
Just, won't You won't go.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
The lawnmower of my disability.
I think that's one thing, but also this podcast.
Also.
The coach for me.
And that has been just part of a lot of these things that you and
I are discovering too, which is.
Oh, that's why I don't like doing that?
That's what?
And.
And hopefully the idea is that the ball is rolling.
And I will spend more time instead of fighting and being frustrated
and it just kind of going.
Okay.
that's totally normal.
Let's just wait.
That's the way things work, buddy.
Have a work around.
So buy yourself a lawnmower that, that is electric or, uh, one of
those like rotary blade ones instead.
Just don't keep messing with that stupid, gas powered pull system.
Right?
Alison: Yep.
I think that has been one of my favorite things about the last
couple of years in my life.
Has been seeing where the care plan is actually starting to work.
You and I are both reaching places where we get frustrated or any sort
of way, hateful, burnt out, whatever word we're going to use to describe it.
Matt: Right.
Alison: And we finally see through to the other side.
We have this moment of, okay.
I've been here before I got through it.
I'm allowed to be frustrated.
I'm allowed to feel my feelings.
But I can still keep going.
I think about how you and I have both gotten a lot better about advocating
for ourselves and what we need and just like asking the question or,
you know, can we move somewhere else?
Because I can't sit in this part and be undistracted.
And just like our little check-ins with each other, like the, just more
clean, open lines of communication.
I was worried that you were mad at me a couple of weeks ago.
So instead of brooding about it all weekend long, I said,
Hey, Matt, are you mad?
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: And I'm doing that with other friends too.
Like If there's moments where I can sense something's about to set off
some kind of anxiety trigger in me, I'm not always gracefully, but still
learning how to stop in that moment and just say, like, here's what I need.
Like, I was somewhere with somebody and somebody wasn't giving me an answer.
And I know for a lot of people, a lot of times they'll be like, oh, well,
no answer is an answer, but not for me.
Like, I don't process it.
I just need to hear you say yes or no.
So, like I stopped in the moment and I said, Hey, I didn't
get a clear answer from you.
If the answer's no, that's fine.
But.
Can you answer me and they did, and I think that.
That's all proof a care plan is coming together.
Matt: I say yay to that.
And I would, give a little call back to the dating question in that think that.
E even though I am pretty self-conscious about talking
about a disability around my wife.
Man is she delighted when we go on a date and we sit down to a place.
And I can hear everything in the building and I say, Hey, do you guys mind?
If we move?
And she's like, you could blame it on me.
That I, that she, for some reason, I can't be in a noisy place, but I was
like, I don't need to blame it on you.
But yeah, she is so happy.
So happy when I do that because again, she is the one who's going
to pick up on that more than I am.
You know, he's totally not listening to me because he can't concentrate on what
I'm saying in this public place, so yay.
Yay.
To those things.
Alison: So not to not play with the dice because we all know, I love a dice roll.
Matt: Oh, yeah.
Alison: But you keep kind of opening.
The door to one of the topics
Matt: in
Alison: Which
Matt: is
I just walk in.
Alison: It's actually not a question.
It's a statement with some asterisks.
ADHD is a disability.
Discuss.
I feel like you might have some things to say here.
And I want to give you that platform.
Matt: Yes.
So this is the official definition of disability.
A physical or mental condition that limits a person's
movements, senses or activities.
I mean, it couldn't be plainer.
Couldn't be clearer.
Right?
I mean, Of course that speaks to a person who's deaf.
But it absolutely speaks to me.
It really does.
ADHD for me has only really been difficult for me when it comes to work.
That's just me.
It may be, it could be very different for lots of different
people, but I'm, I notice it more.
I am hard on myself because of it, when it, hits against things I want to do an
and need to do to make money or whatever.
Work is really the the thing that, that.
points the finger at a disability that I have the most.
and that's always been the case ever since I was little.
Schoolwork or anything.
um, So with that definition.
I think it is.
I think it absolutely is.
And I know that there are spectrums for any disability pretty much right?
Spectrums of difficulty and hindrance or limitations, challenges.
And I really am grateful that either I have developed the tools
to manage as well as I have in my life, without knowing about it.
Or I am on a, just a lower end of the spectrum.
or.
Or, or anything, you know, but I've had some very amazing people around
me in the last five years that have encouraged me to speak of it as such.
Because I have been a part of a disability community way before I
said, oh, ADHD is my disability.
Long before that.
So.
Um, the only thing about it for me is that I have to be very, sensitive right.
I both understand, and I have no idea, right?
Like I think.
I understand what it's like to have a disability, but I have no idea
what it's like to be deaf or I have low vision or anything like that.
Yeah.
Alison: I remember once I was talking with somebody about trauma responses.
And I was speaking about something in my past and I said exactly
that, but I know so many other people have had it so much worse.
So I'm not trying to complain or paint myself as some kind of victim.
And she was like that right there is a trauma response though.
Convincing.
Convincing yourself that other people have it worse.
So therefore yours is not worthy of speaking up about.
Cause I don't think anybody hears you say I have ADHD and yes, that's a
disability and thinks like, oh, he's trying to steal the spotlight, the show
be, know, better at being disabled.
than his deaf wife.
Matt: But can you imagine though??
Can you imagine it like That has been really difficult for me.
I think more and more I'm growing comfortable with that.
And just saying, look, it doesn't make any of us less cool.
It doesn't make any of us less interesting or cool or effective, or, productive.
Alison: Yeah.
The sensitivity is appreciated.
Your sensitivity is appreciated, but at the same time, we have to start helping
people realize this is not just a quirk.
This is not just, a facet of our personality.
Matt: Right.
Alison: You know, so, And that goes for anything in the mental health umbrella.
Matt: Um, Right before the show, I was trying to fix the internet.
Because we've had problems recently.
And, uh, I, I kind of pinpointed it to a little device that wasn't going well.
So of course that meant I had to unplug a bunch of stuff.
And.
That doesn't sound that difficult Alison.
Just replacing one you know, USB Thunderbolt hub with
another one that works better.
But I was in tears.
I was in because it was so frustrating for me.
Just because the time was getting close to meeting with you.
And I was just like, Why do I do this?
Why do I do this?
Gee, why do I always have to fiddle and mess with.
And I just was like so mad at myself just saying some awful things.
So I need to, I need to apologize to myself later, but.
Alison: You do
Matt: I do, but it's tough, man.
It's tough.
Sometimes.
It's real tough.
Alison: No, I get that.
I was doing the same thing to myself.
I know that I, afternoons are not for me.
I'm a morning person now.
Not lately when I'm under slept, but.
If I put something off to the end of day, it's not getting done and
will get shoved into the next day.
And so I had an important client meeting this morning at 9:30.
And beat myself up in much the same near tears way.
As I sat in front of my computer at seven this morning going,
it didn't have to be this way.
You could have gotten this done yesterday.
You had plenty of time.
But there is some black hole void between three and five that my
brain just nopes out of everything.
So.
We will apologize to ourselves later, we promise.
Matt: We will.
I promised Matt, I promise.
Alison: I think your concept of time struggle is more
akin to my clutter struggle.
Like I'd
like
Matt: My clutter struggle is pretty strong.
Keep
Alison: Struggle is real.
But I know that people walk into my house and just think, oh God,
Why can't she just get it together?
I'm like, it's not this isn't.
I'm not doing this, this is just, I don't know.
Like, I don't know how to get, I look at people's houses and
there's like everything for a place and a place everything.
And I.
I don't, somebody would have to come into my house, find those places for
me and leave a set of directions so I could get them back there later.
I can't look at a room.
And think oh, this goes there.
That should be.
can't do that.
I cannot.
I am missing that level of visualizations.
Matt: Oh man.
Yes.
Yes, period.
Alison: Look at how productive we're being with our, with our never got to list.
See, I thought this us both feel good because I'm using the strike through
to just cross things off of our list.
And there is just nothing more satisfying than that feeling.
Do we want to roll any more?
Do we want to call it here?
Matt: Let's see you want it.
Well, let's do one more.
Alison: Okay.
Here's what we're going to do.
Um, so we will, we will drop a little morsel cause I think
this might be the next episode.
Matt's Productivity Hacks.
So we can each drop one productivity hack today.
And then we will have a whole episode where Matt can nerd out with us on all
of the goodies later, if y'all want.
Matt: Okay.
For me.
Consistently.
It is quick capture.
And in everything that I do, like I know that I use too many tools.
I know that I jumped from tool after tool too much.
But if I don't have a way to get something in my brain into where it needs to go.
If you tell me, Ooh, let's go.
Let's go hang out on Sunday at four o'clock.
If I don't put that in my calendar instantly, then it's gone.
It won't be there I'll be like, dang I was supposed to...
Or a task that is important or a thing to go on the grocery list or this or that.
Like, So for me, a quick capture is, not just important I think
for a lot of people, but to find.
To find those systems in whatever computer you use, whatever phone you
use, just to, to be able to not let those things fall from brain onto the floor.
I have a, a keyboard command command space and that pulls up a launcher,
And that launcher would open up apps, obviously, but command or,
spotlight, I spotlight itself built into a I'm sure Windows has something
similar, but then you can set it to integrate with your to-do list, set
it to integrate with your calendar.
And one, one big part of the quick capture for me is if I'm working
on this thing, I can't control the brain from going somewhere else.
Right.
That's just what happens.
So if I'm working on, if I'm coding right now, but then I have a great idea for
the name of, your elf character's father.
And it just gets in there.
Then I just go command space and I make a note and I get that note
sent to where it needs to go.
I don't see I don't open it up.
I don't open up an app that I just go blam, go get out.
And then I get back to work.
So I don't forget it.
But it's so important to me to be able to capture that really quickly, but not
change, focus in what I'm doing, right?.
So I guess that's the, that's the most ADHD part of it is that if I'm working
on one thing, and something comes along.
I could just so easily be pulled away.
So that if I have something that will add an input to another app
or another function while I'm in this app, but not take me away.
That's vital for me, it's just a hundred percent.
Alison: One day, with our abundance of free time.
I'm going to get to sit down with you.
And have you walk me through commands, these shortcuts and teach
me from, I don't know anything up.
Matt: Yeah.
I just know so many things.
Alison: You do.
You do.
Matt: Like that.
Okay, yours what's you're a little tip for the
Alison: Mine and kind of like you is always a work in progress, but much like,
uh, the double cleanse in a skincare has risen in popularity in recent years.
Typically you wash your face first with an oil based cleanser to get all the
makeup off, and then you cleanse your face and continue with your skincare routine.
This is going somewhere, I promise.
I've learned that I have to do the double list, so I have to write
things down on paper with a pen in order to like, get some level of like
serotonin and satisfaction going.
I have to have the handwritten list.
And then I have to translate that list into a digital system.
That is how I keep myself accountable.
And so for many years, I would go back and forth between the two
and some weeks I would be analog in some weeks I would be digital.
And now I've learned that it helps my brain to see my Monday dashboard daily.
And I check in with it.
in the morning and get an idea of what the day's going to look like.
So I'm looking at things at both a daily and a weekly level easily.
Typically speaking, my to-do list is more of the daily look
at my digital is more the weekly.
So it's these are the nitpicky little things I have to get through today.
And then this is the big picture is the digital outlook.
Matt: Interesting.
Alison: I call it my double list.
Like my double cleanse.
Matt: Double list.
That's pretty great sounding.
I also love pen and paper.
And I've used it back and forth.
I think.
Yeah.
We'll talk about in our productivity episode.
But I think that is one thing that you could probably help me with,
which is the review, because I've also had that same thing, flip
back and forth the love of paper.
And then the searchability of digital, but.
If I don't review every day.
Then I'm in trouble.
Alison: I feel like you're better at the end of day review and I'm better
at the beginning of day review.
We just need to help each other with those things, because I am terrible
about the end of day wrap up.
Matt: I mean, porque no los dos?
Alison: Exactly.
Exactly.
So, yeah, online, to manage weekly.
Pen and paper to manage daily.
Post-it notes.
Matt: Yeah, post-it notes.
Ah, Alison, what a great idea for a podcast.
How we knocked out so many things.
How meta was it that we ended up talking about productivity in an episode that
we were crossing things off a list.
Uh,
Alison: so meta..
Matt: Love it.
I love that.
I love it.
oh, there was one, there was one other thing that I felt like we should mention!
We do have a Patreon.
Don't we.
And for anybody who ever wonders, why so many podcasters have Patreon accounts
that they want you to give them a couple of bucks for, it's just because.
Strangely enough podcasting takes a lot of time and energy.
It's actually a lot of work.
It's really fun.
Really fun, but there's a lot of work.
So, you know, Just throwing a couple of coins is a fun way to support those
people that, that are working that hard.
I'm not even including us though.
We do work hard, but you know, people that you support,
they're probably working hard.
Alison: Well, And the actual currency is very welcome and very helpful, yes.
I also look at, the community, the attention as some kind
of social currency as well.
Like we really did start this in the spirit of let's find
cool people to chat with.
And so that's, that was, part two of our let's start a Patreon was maybe this
could help us hear from you more easily.
Invite you into the dorky little things that we do.
So we have some ideas and surprises up our sleeves.
Matt: on them..
Alison: That will be forthcoming via our Patreon.
So yeah.
It's hard to self promote sometimes
Matt: is.
Alison: But good.
Good on you, Matt.
thought.
Matt: Thanks.
Yeah.
I mean it's.
Yeah.
Really just.
It's just, if you can.
Yeah, we'll still love you 100% the same.
1000% the same.
yeah.
Thanks for listening.
until next week.
Alison: to you then!