WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.049 --> 00:00:00.469 Alison: Yeah. 00:00:00.530 --> 00:00:00.920 Yeah. 00:00:01.010 --> 00:00:03.769 Maybe that's the next time, instead of going to a castle we'll 00:00:03.769 --> 00:00:05.180 go on like a cheese roadtrip. 00:00:05.510 --> 00:00:06.469 Matt: Ooh. 00:00:06.530 --> 00:00:07.609 Cheese trips. 00:00:08.329 --> 00:00:13.190 Alison: A cheese-inspired road trip and go to the best, most 00:00:13.250 --> 00:00:16.700 ridiculous places to acquire cheese. 00:00:17.060 --> 00:00:18.170 Matt: You're speaking my language. 00:00:18.858 --> 00:00:19.308 I love it. 00:00:19.432 --> 00:00:20.452 You look nice today. 00:00:21.236 --> 00:00:21.926 Alison: I showered. 00:00:22.146 --> 00:00:23.376 I had to get in front of clients. 00:00:23.376 --> 00:00:27.726 So I decided to pretend like I'm a whole adult. 00:00:28.866 --> 00:00:29.856 And not a toddler. 00:00:30.666 --> 00:00:31.206 Matt: Yeah. 00:00:31.626 --> 00:00:32.196 Gosh. 00:00:32.556 --> 00:00:33.606 Being a toddler is fun. 00:00:33.958 --> 00:00:34.438 hi. 00:00:34.528 --> 00:00:35.398 Hi, Alison. 00:00:35.458 --> 00:00:36.098 How are you? 00:00:36.098 --> 00:00:36.728 Alison: Hi, Matt. 00:00:37.328 --> 00:00:38.168 I'm so good. 00:00:38.858 --> 00:00:39.578 How about you? 00:00:39.838 --> 00:00:40.588 Matt: I'm okay. 00:00:40.618 --> 00:00:41.368 I'm okay. 00:00:41.458 --> 00:00:42.715 It's uh, I had a. 00:00:42.765 --> 00:00:44.604 I'm just having a, like, You know what it is. 00:00:44.634 --> 00:00:45.504 I think I'm burned out. 00:00:45.654 --> 00:00:46.164 That's all. 00:00:46.401 --> 00:00:46.881 Alison: I get it 00:00:46.951 --> 00:00:51.126 Matt: I just, yeah, I think, that proverbial wall. 00:00:52.566 --> 00:00:54.960 Yeah, I think I just, just need a little break. 00:00:55.740 --> 00:00:59.190 Alison: You've slammed into the wall and now you're just sliding down it. 00:01:01.830 --> 00:01:02.730 Matt: My spirits are high. 00:01:03.300 --> 00:01:05.040 My, just exhaustion level is. 00:01:05.910 --> 00:01:06.570 Whew. 00:01:07.470 --> 00:01:07.770 Yeah. 00:01:07.875 --> 00:01:10.325 By the way, welcome to ADHd20. 00:01:10.605 --> 00:01:13.995 This is a podcast that tries to find the intersection between... 00:01:14.365 --> 00:01:14.615 Alison: ADHD 00:01:15.815 --> 00:01:16.235 and 00:01:16.635 --> 00:01:17.555 Matt: Dungeons and Dragons. 00:01:18.256 --> 00:01:22.962 two great tastes that taste great together in our mind, and I am also, you spoke 00:01:22.962 --> 00:01:25.452 of trying new medicines last week. 00:01:25.992 --> 00:01:26.592 And I am. 00:01:27.162 --> 00:01:33.752 I'm in the process of, trying to convince my doctor to allow me to spend 00:01:33.752 --> 00:01:36.272 more money on it on a drug know works.. 00:01:40.362 --> 00:01:41.142 Alison: Oh, no!. 00:01:41.142 --> 00:01:44.702 The quest for the perfect cocktail will never be complete. 00:01:44.792 --> 00:01:48.032 Matt: The perfect drug, the perfect drug, yeah. 00:01:48.452 --> 00:01:51.463 Alison: My, my symptoms have gotten a little bit better. 00:01:51.733 --> 00:01:56.863 I have shifted from being awake for a few hours in the middle of the night. 00:01:57.373 --> 00:02:00.163 To awake by around 5:00 AM. 00:02:01.123 --> 00:02:05.983 So still not averaging enough sleep at night, but shifting 00:02:05.983 --> 00:02:08.263 into some maybe next week. 00:02:08.398 --> 00:02:11.568 we'll move to my normal wake up time of like 6:30, 7, 00:02:11.568 --> 00:02:12.478 will be right with the world. 00:02:12.718 --> 00:02:13.338 Matt: I bet you, will. 00:02:13.368 --> 00:02:15.542 I have discovered much to my chagrin. 00:02:17.792 --> 00:02:19.292 Is that exercise helps. 00:02:19.502 --> 00:02:21.842 Oh, really wish it wasn't. 00:02:22.352 --> 00:02:23.432 But it really does. 00:02:23.462 --> 00:02:25.232 We've been walking and just walking. 00:02:25.292 --> 00:02:26.062 We've just been walking 00:02:26.062 --> 00:02:29.852 Alison: I know, I can't, I know I need to, I, I. 00:02:30.152 --> 00:02:33.062 I know for a fact, you are a thousand percent, right. 00:02:33.082 --> 00:02:37.522 Not when it is 95 degrees and 80% humidity. 00:02:37.522 --> 00:02:38.332 I, I, I just, I. 00:02:38.722 --> 00:02:39.892 I'm unable to can. 00:02:39.977 --> 00:02:42.937 Matt: It was very difficult to get on to the train. 00:02:43.045 --> 00:02:47.665 Cause it is hot and it makes you itchy and irritated and angry. 00:02:49.140 --> 00:02:51.210 But early morning it makes you hateful. 00:02:51.300 --> 00:02:51.960 That's a great word. 00:02:52.170 --> 00:02:52.650 Hateful. 00:02:53.220 --> 00:02:53.890 Hateful. 00:02:53.940 --> 00:02:55.768 But I, I know, I know. 00:02:55.798 --> 00:02:58.828 It's bad here, which means it's real bad where you are. 00:03:01.348 --> 00:03:01.738 Alison: It's okay. 00:03:01.738 --> 00:03:03.118 We've made it to August. 00:03:03.718 --> 00:03:07.768 Which means next month is September, which means by October, maybe we will 00:03:07.768 --> 00:03:09.828 have some relief in temperatures. 00:03:10.168 --> 00:03:10.768 Matt: And then. 00:03:11.378 --> 00:03:12.298 Cheese Castle. 00:03:12.778 --> 00:03:15.238 Alison: And then life gets so much better in the fall. 00:03:15.838 --> 00:03:16.828 And cheese. 00:03:17.968 --> 00:03:20.488 But we're probably going to cut the entire intro and everybody this 00:03:20.518 --> 00:03:23.188 entire episode is going to be like, why do they keep bringing up cheese? 00:03:23.668 --> 00:03:25.108 You'll never know. 00:03:25.258 --> 00:03:30.584 Matt: You'll never know just how much we cheese. 00:03:34.108 --> 00:03:34.348 All right. 00:03:34.377 --> 00:03:36.515 So, today on ADHd20. 00:03:36.535 --> 00:03:38.455 I was asking Alison what... 00:03:38.995 --> 00:03:42.585 she had prepared some notes and I said, I can't remember what I'm supposed to 00:03:42.585 --> 00:03:44.786 remember what we're talking about today. 00:03:45.026 --> 00:03:46.256 And she said, 00:03:46.328 --> 00:03:46.658 Alison: Don't worry 00:03:46.748 --> 00:03:51.308 Matt: Don't worry about it, which is truly one of the kindest things 00:03:51.368 --> 00:03:52.868 anyone could ever say to me. 00:03:55.478 --> 00:03:59.708 Alison: But before we dive into that, you know what we have to do, right? 00:03:59.708 --> 00:04:01.308 Matt: I do I do I do. 00:04:01.788 --> 00:04:06.068 Alison: It's time to roll those beautiful d100s for the ADHd100 table. 00:04:06.578 --> 00:04:07.718 And. 00:04:10.568 --> 00:04:12.728 I'm rolling a lot of even numbers today. 00:04:13.119 --> 00:04:14.469 Matt: 72 is my number. 00:04:15.129 --> 00:04:15.909 Alison: Alrighty. 00:04:15.909 --> 00:04:16.359 Alrighty. 00:04:16.359 --> 00:04:16.809 Alrighty. 00:04:16.809 --> 00:04:17.469 Alrighty. 00:04:18.549 --> 00:04:22.089 What aspect of D&D took the longest for you to learn or 00:04:22.089 --> 00:04:23.919 absorb because of your ADHD? 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:25.869 Matt: Ooh. 00:04:26.523 --> 00:04:28.683 Gosh, these are great questions, man. 00:04:28.743 --> 00:04:30.273 These are really great questions. 00:04:30.573 --> 00:04:30.933 Let's see. 00:04:31.327 --> 00:04:32.931 Uh, it's still happening for me. 00:04:32.931 --> 00:04:38.731 The most difficult thing for me to remember are all of the conditions. 00:04:39.271 --> 00:04:42.541 Alison: Just what each of them mean and what happens when you are... 00:04:43.201 --> 00:04:48.246 Matt: Blindness versus stunned versus this, versus that versus all 00:04:48.246 --> 00:04:51.906 of the different conditions that happen in combat or our elsewhere. 00:04:52.384 --> 00:04:55.234 I love the advantage disadvantage system in general. 00:04:55.234 --> 00:04:55.774 I love that. 00:04:55.797 --> 00:04:59.255 Um, and I know that a lot of them have to do with advantage and 00:04:59.255 --> 00:05:02.555 disadvantage, but I feel like those are little things that kind of get 00:05:02.555 --> 00:05:04.085 into my brain and they're gone. 00:05:04.365 --> 00:05:07.175 They just do not, do not lock in. 00:05:07.175 --> 00:05:07.775 But our friend. 00:05:08.435 --> 00:05:12.732 Hi Fitz, we have to mention Fitz every But Fitz seems to have a, 00:05:13.962 --> 00:05:16.322 just right at the, just ready to go. 00:05:16.612 --> 00:05:19.852 Alison: In your defense though, they don't always make sense. 00:05:20.182 --> 00:05:22.762 So like one, I always struggle with, I feel like if someone's 00:05:22.762 --> 00:05:26.299 grappled, you should be rolling with advantage to hit them, right? 00:05:26.324 --> 00:05:27.462 Cause they're held in place. 00:05:28.032 --> 00:05:29.472 Probably by an ally. 00:05:30.462 --> 00:05:31.332 But that's not the case. 00:05:31.332 --> 00:05:33.612 So there are certain times where if somebody has a condition 00:05:33.612 --> 00:05:38.142 you do or don't get advantage, that doesn't line up logically. 00:05:39.192 --> 00:05:39.792 Matt: Yeah. 00:05:39.822 --> 00:05:40.482 Alison: Maybe that's it. 00:05:40.752 --> 00:05:43.302 I'm going to give you credit where credit's due for the inability 00:05:43.302 --> 00:05:44.362 to remember some of these. 00:05:44.392 --> 00:05:45.182 Matt: Thank you. 00:05:45.692 --> 00:05:46.062 Thank you. 00:05:46.062 --> 00:05:46.272 But yeah. 00:05:46.302 --> 00:05:47.742 That, one's super tough for me. 00:05:47.803 --> 00:05:48.145 Okay. 00:05:48.235 --> 00:05:48.865 How about you? 00:05:48.955 --> 00:05:49.785 Roll some dice. 00:05:49.835 --> 00:05:51.310 Alison: I rolled a 60. 00:05:51.312 --> 00:05:51.912 Matt: 60. 00:05:52.422 --> 00:05:52.962 Ooh. 00:05:53.322 --> 00:05:57.262 Oh, Who is your favorite maker? 00:05:57.262 --> 00:05:57.802 What does that question 00:05:58.028 --> 00:05:59.308 What does that question even mean? 00:05:59.681 --> 00:06:05.224 Alison: People who make minis or dice or, uh, rolling trays or notebooks. 00:06:05.944 --> 00:06:08.464 And it doesn't necessarily have to just be in the D&D community, but 00:06:08.517 --> 00:06:13.196 what Etsy shop or Instagram account or otherwise are you a huge fan of. 00:06:13.596 --> 00:06:17.177 Um, my favorite maker, and this is actually funny, cause I just 00:06:17.177 --> 00:06:19.937 reached out to her last week to tell her about this podcast. 00:06:20.034 --> 00:06:22.185 Uh, found her on Instagram. 00:06:22.249 --> 00:06:27.807 Uh, her name is Gabby, her, um, handle shop, et cetera, is Maise Designs. 00:06:28.207 --> 00:06:33.967 It's M-A-I-S-E Designs and she makes the most beautiful dice. 00:06:34.082 --> 00:06:35.612 And she makes these sets. 00:06:35.612 --> 00:06:37.862 She calls them her Nebula sets. 00:06:38.162 --> 00:06:40.472 So she puts, I don't even know what it is. 00:06:40.652 --> 00:06:46.340 Um, What's the word like, like almost like a shiny crinkly cellophane inside dice. 00:06:46.670 --> 00:06:49.606 So they look lit from within, they are. 00:06:50.446 --> 00:06:51.286 Yes, that's it. 00:06:51.286 --> 00:06:52.516 That's the word I'm looking for! 00:06:52.551 --> 00:06:55.873 So like they just, they have a light inside of them, it feels like. 00:06:55.873 --> 00:06:57.556 I decided to commission some dice. 00:06:57.556 --> 00:06:59.116 That's how serious I got about this. 00:06:59.116 --> 00:07:03.016 I was like, I'm going to pick somebody whose art I admire, reach out, and 00:07:03.046 --> 00:07:05.756 ask to own a piece of what they do. 00:07:05.756 --> 00:07:07.453 And she just, she couldn't be more wonderful. 00:07:07.453 --> 00:07:08.653 I love all of her content. 00:07:08.653 --> 00:07:10.093 I love everything she designs. 00:07:10.573 --> 00:07:14.233 And she introduced me to my favorite ADHD account on Instagram 00:07:14.503 --> 00:07:20.794 called ADHDelite, which is a very funny, it's a meme account. 00:07:20.827 --> 00:07:20.887 In. 00:07:20.887 --> 00:07:25.087 fact, they posted a meme last week, right after we published the last 00:07:25.087 --> 00:07:29.967 episode, all around object permanence and friendship degradation mechanics. 00:07:30.187 --> 00:07:30.997 Matt: Wow. 00:07:32.707 --> 00:07:35.767 Alison: So everything always just feels like connected and on par. 00:07:35.814 --> 00:07:38.932 So Gabby, if you're listening, I love your stuff. 00:07:38.962 --> 00:07:42.082 I love owning a set of your dice and everybody should go 00:07:42.082 --> 00:07:43.252 follow her because she's fab. 00:07:43.522 --> 00:07:45.352 Yay. 00:07:49.132 --> 00:07:49.522 All right. 00:07:49.522 --> 00:07:51.232 Are you ready to find out what 00:07:51.619 --> 00:07:51.849 Matt: I really 00:07:51.849 --> 00:07:52.869 Alison: Alison thinks that we should do 00:07:53.229 --> 00:07:54.109 Matt: I really am. 00:07:54.299 --> 00:07:56.799 Really am very excited. 00:07:57.489 --> 00:07:59.079 Alison: This could tank so hard. 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:00.189 I'm just going to warn you. 00:08:00.459 --> 00:08:05.139 But Here's the bright idea I had, but a few minutes ago. 00:08:05.427 --> 00:08:07.677 I'm calling it The Potluck Episode. 00:08:08.007 --> 00:08:08.787 Matt: Okay. 00:08:08.997 --> 00:08:13.647 Alison: What if I went into all of our old outlines and scraped all of the 00:08:13.647 --> 00:08:15.777 things we keep forgetting to talk about. 00:08:16.107 --> 00:08:18.927 Because we do, we have these outlines every single week, and then we get 00:08:18.957 --> 00:08:23.307 off track and distract ourselves and talk about any and everything else. 00:08:23.307 --> 00:08:27.436 So what if we kind of give ourselves one more chance to cover some of 00:08:27.436 --> 00:08:29.596 these topics here on episode 11. 00:08:29.806 --> 00:08:30.166 Matt: Yeah. 00:08:30.526 --> 00:08:31.096 Let's do it. 00:08:31.406 --> 00:08:31.886 Let's try it. 00:08:32.008 --> 00:08:35.136 Alison: So what, what you're going to do is you're going to roll a D 12 for me. 00:08:35.226 --> 00:08:38.892 And that will dictate what topic we approach first. 00:08:43.272 --> 00:08:44.952 It's very trusting of you to. 00:08:45.392 --> 00:08:46.572 Matt: Oh man. 00:08:46.692 --> 00:08:47.292 Alison. 00:08:47.339 --> 00:08:48.830 I would go anywhere with you. 00:08:48.871 --> 00:08:50.491 I would jump that train. 00:08:50.618 --> 00:08:53.408 And, in that spirit, I rolled an eight. 00:08:55.718 --> 00:08:55.988 Alison: Oh, 00:08:57.348 --> 00:09:00.408 Matt: Oh no, oh no. 00:09:01.088 --> 00:09:04.500 Alison: This is, a so we've, we've actually talked about half of this, but 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:05.980 we haven't talked about the first half. 00:09:06.321 --> 00:09:08.181 Dating with ADHD. 00:09:08.211 --> 00:09:09.291 Matt: Oh, 00:09:10.101 --> 00:09:13.041 Alison: That's the second half is dating party members, which 00:09:13.041 --> 00:09:14.711 we did approach with Tey. 00:09:14.791 --> 00:09:18.571 And why prior to our Strahd campaign, I was very strictly 00:09:18.571 --> 00:09:21.001 no romance in the D&D campaign. 00:09:21.068 --> 00:09:25.698 But yeah, dating with ADHD comes with its own special... 00:09:27.018 --> 00:09:29.838 I don't even know what the word I'm looking for is, especially if 00:09:29.838 --> 00:09:32.088 the other person doesn't have ADHD. 00:09:32.988 --> 00:09:37.578 Or is not experienced dealing with people with ADHD. 00:09:37.624 --> 00:09:39.394 Matt: And we're talking to specifically dating, right? 00:09:39.444 --> 00:09:46.036 Dating in the sense of multiple dates or, or is it the point where you've 00:09:46.066 --> 00:09:48.106 been on multiple dates with one person. 00:09:48.166 --> 00:09:49.546 Do we need a specification there? 00:09:50.176 --> 00:09:50.506 Okay. 00:09:51.346 --> 00:09:51.736 Okay. 00:09:51.886 --> 00:09:56.986 So I think I would imagine that it would be really amazing to go on a date with us. 00:09:57.586 --> 00:09:58.426 The first date. 00:09:58.525 --> 00:10:00.775 I think the first date would be really amazing. 00:10:01.195 --> 00:10:03.565 Because I think we would be super creative about it. 00:10:04.105 --> 00:10:05.875 I think go to a fun thing. 00:10:05.881 --> 00:10:10.664 We would be like, very charming and probably a little bit. 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:11.447 too forward. 00:10:11.537 --> 00:10:13.797 So we, yeah, we might be a little bit too forward. 00:10:13.824 --> 00:10:14.534 The emotion...yeah? 00:10:14.934 --> 00:10:15.234 Yeah. 00:10:15.654 --> 00:10:19.164 Alison: Is that ADHD, cause I'm always way too forward when I'm interested. 00:10:19.354 --> 00:10:20.371 Can we blame it on that? 00:10:20.441 --> 00:10:23.017 Matt: I think so because We would get very emotionally. 00:10:23.617 --> 00:10:24.827 Impulse control, meh. 00:10:25.237 --> 00:10:28.611 And then also the excitement and the idea of romance. 00:10:28.691 --> 00:10:29.871 But I remember. 00:10:30.831 --> 00:10:33.141 Not that I was a dating, dating person. 00:10:33.141 --> 00:10:33.441 I didn't. 00:10:33.518 --> 00:10:37.445 You know, The dates that I went on, I did try to like who are you? 00:10:37.445 --> 00:10:38.345 What are you into? 00:10:38.345 --> 00:10:39.365 What are you doing? 00:10:39.395 --> 00:10:39.545 Like. 00:10:39.635 --> 00:10:43.066 Man, you know, So that's the first one, maybe the second one. 00:10:43.093 --> 00:10:46.359 Uh, and then you're going to start noticing that we might be late. 00:10:47.769 --> 00:10:49.089 We might actually be late on the first. 00:10:49.479 --> 00:10:52.015 And then you're going to notice that we're like, late and then we'll, 00:10:52.375 --> 00:10:54.445 we will maybe forget some things. 00:10:54.805 --> 00:10:58.666 Or, our moods might come in right to the experience. 00:10:58.996 --> 00:11:00.706 Which will be complicated. 00:11:00.754 --> 00:11:06.673 Uh, and then you just have to have the patience of Job, right. 00:11:06.940 --> 00:11:12.400 Because once you really start to realize, oh, wow. 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:13.860 This is somebody with ADHD. 00:11:13.962 --> 00:11:16.362 And then you have to have patience and you have to have understanding. 00:11:16.472 --> 00:11:18.662 But I would say, I'd say the first date. 00:11:19.396 --> 00:11:19.966 Alison: Super chill. 00:11:19.966 --> 00:11:20.406 Super fun. 00:11:20.506 --> 00:11:21.356 Matt: Pretty cool. 00:11:21.376 --> 00:11:22.096 I would say. 00:11:22.996 --> 00:11:23.416 I don't know. 00:11:23.476 --> 00:11:23.926 What do you think? 00:11:23.926 --> 00:11:24.971 No, not chill for us. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:26.170 But cool. 00:11:26.560 --> 00:11:27.070 What do you think? 00:11:27.730 --> 00:11:31.704 Alison: It's so funny because like, as you're saying all these things I'm of 00:11:31.704 --> 00:11:35.738 course reflecting on because I've only dated you and I are very much opposite, 00:11:35.768 --> 00:11:39.338 then you're like the serial monogamist and I'm like the I'm going to go on two 00:11:39.338 --> 00:11:40.928 or three dates and then lose interest. 00:11:40.995 --> 00:11:46.918 And I get crippling anxiety around dating, especially the first date. 00:11:46.947 --> 00:11:48.200 I hate first dates. 00:11:48.690 --> 00:11:52.104 'Cause I just, I want to be in that, like, I want to be in a comfortable place. 00:11:52.104 --> 00:11:53.994 I don't want to experience the new thing. 00:11:53.994 --> 00:11:57.474 It is everything we've talked about on every single episode before, where. 00:11:58.434 --> 00:12:02.064 All I want is to find the rhythm and find the groove, which in dating is 00:12:02.064 --> 00:12:04.104 impossible to do without going through it. 00:12:04.131 --> 00:12:07.431 Um, And I've never once thought about linking that to my ADHD. 00:12:07.431 --> 00:12:09.817 I always blamed anxiety for that. 00:12:09.846 --> 00:12:10.266 Here we 00:12:10.366 --> 00:12:11.256 Matt: I mean, comorbid. 00:12:11.346 --> 00:12:11.976 Comorbid. 00:12:12.096 --> 00:12:12.846 Nice to meet ya. 00:12:13.056 --> 00:12:14.731 Uh Yeah. 00:12:14.761 --> 00:12:15.421 Interesting. 00:12:15.641 --> 00:12:19.701 What do you think could change that, help that, or make it a little better than. 00:12:19.701 --> 00:12:21.981 Again, that's the, that's also it, right? 00:12:21.981 --> 00:12:23.647 Like the understanding. 00:12:23.696 --> 00:12:27.443 You know, I mean, I think it'd be kind of lame to, to go 00:12:27.473 --> 00:12:29.243 into a date and say, oh yeah. 00:12:29.311 --> 00:12:33.451 I have ADHD and I'm, unless it's, unless than there's an understanding there. 00:12:33.451 --> 00:12:36.120 I feel like, I don't know whether you want to talk about that a 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:37.800 whole lot on the first date. 00:12:37.830 --> 00:12:41.093 I honestly would rather learn more about the person that I'm on the date 00:12:41.093 --> 00:12:42.668 with, then talk about myself, but. 00:12:42.701 --> 00:12:44.095 But let's erase all that. 00:12:44.125 --> 00:12:47.750 Let's say there is that understanding, which is that safe space. 00:12:47.750 --> 00:12:49.040 Do you think that would change things? 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:49.820 So you think that would. 00:12:50.540 --> 00:12:51.100 What do you think? 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:51.984 How would that affect. 00:12:52.594 --> 00:12:52.944 I wonder. 00:12:53.134 --> 00:12:55.254 Alison: If only people could see the look on my face right now. 00:12:55.321 --> 00:12:58.284 It's giving serious, "no" and that's, 00:12:58.329 --> 00:13:01.770 So part of this is dating with ADHD. 00:13:01.770 --> 00:13:05.370 And part of this is dating in 2022. 00:13:05.850 --> 00:13:10.770 The only way to date seems to be online dating, which I've 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:14.190 absolutely just said no to. 00:13:14.410 --> 00:13:17.447 I will get on these apps once or twice a year. 00:13:17.867 --> 00:13:18.797 And be like, okay, I'm going to do it. 00:13:18.797 --> 00:13:20.433 I'm going to, I'm going to figure out, like how can I 00:13:20.433 --> 00:13:22.246 gamify this experience for me? 00:13:22.246 --> 00:13:24.999 How can I find the fun bit and pull at that? 00:13:25.054 --> 00:13:28.729 So what most recently happened to me, I was last on about a month ago. 00:13:29.479 --> 00:13:31.579 Matched with some guys got to talking. 00:13:32.449 --> 00:13:33.989 And then just lost interest. 00:13:34.009 --> 00:13:37.459 Like it, it became work to even reply to them. 00:13:37.459 --> 00:13:40.939 And I said to myself, okay, I need to get back off the apps because if I don't 00:13:40.939 --> 00:13:45.155 even want to do this, so I don't have a good answer to your question, I think. 00:13:45.575 --> 00:13:47.225 And that's, I think that's okay though. 00:13:47.225 --> 00:13:49.505 That's not the route that I need to take to meet him. 00:13:49.549 --> 00:13:52.886 So, uh, I'll let you know when I figure it out. 00:13:53.186 --> 00:13:55.286 To be continued, to be determined. 00:13:55.316 --> 00:13:55.826 Matt: I love it. 00:13:55.826 --> 00:13:56.486 Good answer. 00:13:56.546 --> 00:13:57.116 Good answer. 00:13:57.119 --> 00:13:59.961 Alison: All right, I'm gonna roll a d12 now, unless you want to keep rolling. 00:14:00.151 --> 00:14:00.821 We can go back and 00:14:00.881 --> 00:14:02.081 Matt: Please roll, yeah. 00:14:02.561 --> 00:14:04.151 Alison: Let's see how many of these we want to get through. 00:14:04.166 --> 00:14:06.121 Um, Okay, this is a good one too. 00:14:06.151 --> 00:14:07.831 I rolled big number one. 00:14:08.101 --> 00:14:11.261 How have our care plans evolved over the years? 00:14:11.261 --> 00:14:13.907 I mean, I have one now and I never did before. 00:14:13.907 --> 00:14:14.207 So 00:14:14.387 --> 00:14:16.757 Matt: Oh like our personal care plans. 00:14:17.111 --> 00:14:20.132 Alison: I mean, I really am not trying to be flippant, but it 00:14:20.162 --> 00:14:22.145 started with, the diagnosis. 00:14:22.745 --> 00:14:24.635 Six, seven years ago for me. 00:14:24.698 --> 00:14:26.438 It was ignored for a few years. 00:14:26.738 --> 00:14:28.028 So there's evolution one. 00:14:28.688 --> 00:14:29.048 Matt: Yeah. 00:14:29.168 --> 00:14:30.938 Alison: Diagnosed and then nothing. 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:33.903 Um, And then started the therapy, on and off therapy, you know, 00:14:33.931 --> 00:14:35.232 throughout the years that followed. 00:14:35.232 --> 00:14:36.492 And then as I've shared. 00:14:37.092 --> 00:14:40.782 I now went to my primary care doctor and said, I want to. 00:14:41.502 --> 00:14:46.026 I want to collaborate with you on some ways to treat this, um, And. 00:14:46.746 --> 00:14:47.466 This! 00:14:47.526 --> 00:14:48.846 Opening up an open. 00:14:49.206 --> 00:14:49.626 Yeah. 00:14:49.656 --> 00:14:51.936 Opening up a dialogue, a conversation. 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.920 Inviting as many people as want to be part of that conversation with us. 00:14:56.430 --> 00:14:59.460 Both for themselves and for ones that they love and that's what's been fun, 00:14:59.460 --> 00:15:04.830 is getting to know my friends better because of this, having them get to know 00:15:04.830 --> 00:15:08.730 me better and then getting to know where they're struggling either for themselves 00:15:08.730 --> 00:15:12.719 or with a loved one, has been, an excellent, I think part of my care plan. 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:13.319 Matt: Yeah. 00:15:14.429 --> 00:15:15.299 Alison: It has evolved. 00:15:15.299 --> 00:15:16.919 I am very happy to report. 00:15:17.009 --> 00:15:17.699 Matt: I love that. 00:15:17.726 --> 00:15:19.366 I think mine is similar. 00:15:19.456 --> 00:15:20.176 I think. 00:15:20.566 --> 00:15:22.846 I've just had maybe a few more. 00:15:24.046 --> 00:15:24.916 Yes. 00:15:25.096 --> 00:15:26.266 I have ADHD. 00:15:26.296 --> 00:15:27.946 No, I don't have ADHD. 00:15:28.516 --> 00:15:30.114 Um, a few more of those in life. 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.200 I think one of the biggest things for me is accepting that. 00:15:34.275 --> 00:15:35.595 And this was the hardest one for me. 00:15:35.595 --> 00:15:36.025 I think. 00:15:36.095 --> 00:15:37.925 Accepting that it is a disability. 00:15:38.009 --> 00:15:41.980 um, Again, because compared to my wife, that word is very different 00:15:42.110 --> 00:15:44.870 in my mind, but the idea of... 00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:48.710 something that just makes things tougher for me. 00:15:48.740 --> 00:15:52.309 You know, This week and last week, if I am feeling a burnout and I'm 00:15:52.309 --> 00:15:56.779 just like watching myself shut down and I'm like, please, man, like I 00:15:56.779 --> 00:16:02.209 tried to just, you know that, that stupid a lawn mower that won't start. 00:16:02.209 --> 00:16:03.259 You're like c'mon. 00:16:03.259 --> 00:16:07.489 And you get, you're getting more and more mad because it just won't catch. 00:16:07.609 --> 00:16:09.529 Just, won't You won't go. 00:16:10.314 --> 00:16:11.156 Um, yeah. 00:16:11.486 --> 00:16:11.966 Yeah. 00:16:13.166 --> 00:16:15.626 The lawnmower of my disability. 00:16:15.684 --> 00:16:19.603 I think that's one thing, but also this podcast. 00:16:20.713 --> 00:16:21.473 Also. 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:22.726 The coach for me. 00:16:23.026 --> 00:16:27.746 And that has been just part of a lot of these things that you and 00:16:27.746 --> 00:16:29.066 I are discovering too, which is. 00:16:29.576 --> 00:16:33.116 Oh, that's why I don't like doing that? 00:16:33.506 --> 00:16:34.256 That's what? 00:16:34.736 --> 00:16:35.006 And. 00:16:35.606 --> 00:16:39.656 And hopefully the idea is that the ball is rolling. 00:16:40.256 --> 00:16:46.046 And I will spend more time instead of fighting and being frustrated 00:16:46.046 --> 00:16:47.651 and it just kind of going. 00:16:48.311 --> 00:16:48.791 Okay. 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:49.696 that's totally normal. 00:16:49.756 --> 00:16:50.356 Let's just wait. 00:16:50.416 --> 00:16:51.616 That's the way things work, buddy. 00:16:51.658 --> 00:16:52.678 Have a work around. 00:16:52.738 --> 00:16:57.824 So buy yourself a lawnmower that, that is electric or, uh, one of 00:16:57.824 --> 00:17:00.194 those like rotary blade ones instead. 00:17:00.194 --> 00:17:05.451 Just don't keep messing with that stupid, gas powered pull system. 00:17:05.484 --> 00:17:05.784 Right? 00:17:05.793 --> 00:17:06.122 Alison: Yep. 00:17:06.872 --> 00:17:12.206 I think that has been one of my favorite things about the last 00:17:12.206 --> 00:17:13.646 couple of years in my life. 00:17:14.306 --> 00:17:18.506 Has been seeing where the care plan is actually starting to work. 00:17:19.136 --> 00:17:24.476 You and I are both reaching places where we get frustrated or any sort 00:17:24.476 --> 00:17:27.806 of way, hateful, burnt out, whatever word we're going to use to describe it. 00:17:28.646 --> 00:17:29.036 Matt: Right. 00:17:29.306 --> 00:17:32.696 Alison: And we finally see through to the other side. 00:17:32.792 --> 00:17:35.432 We have this moment of, okay. 00:17:35.492 --> 00:17:37.952 I've been here before I got through it. 00:17:39.002 --> 00:17:40.232 I'm allowed to be frustrated. 00:17:40.262 --> 00:17:42.452 I'm allowed to feel my feelings. 00:17:42.932 --> 00:17:44.427 But I can still keep going. 00:17:44.490 --> 00:17:47.940 I think about how you and I have both gotten a lot better about advocating 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:51.450 for ourselves and what we need and just like asking the question or, 00:17:51.498 --> 00:17:53.417 you know, can we move somewhere else? 00:17:53.417 --> 00:17:56.366 Because I can't sit in this part and be undistracted. 00:17:56.369 --> 00:18:00.174 And just like our little check-ins with each other, like the, just more 00:18:00.204 --> 00:18:02.124 clean, open lines of communication. 00:18:02.574 --> 00:18:04.854 I was worried that you were mad at me a couple of weeks ago. 00:18:04.854 --> 00:18:06.894 So instead of brooding about it all weekend long, I said, 00:18:06.894 --> 00:18:07.584 Hey, Matt, are you mad? 00:18:07.644 --> 00:18:07.864 Matt: Yeah. 00:18:07.864 --> 00:18:09.587 Alison: And I'm doing that with other friends too. 00:18:09.614 --> 00:18:12.729 Like If there's moments where I can sense something's about to set off 00:18:12.729 --> 00:18:17.709 some kind of anxiety trigger in me, I'm not always gracefully, but still 00:18:17.709 --> 00:18:21.296 learning how to stop in that moment and just say, like, here's what I need. 00:18:21.424 --> 00:18:24.586 Like, I was somewhere with somebody and somebody wasn't giving me an answer. 00:18:25.126 --> 00:18:28.206 And I know for a lot of people, a lot of times they'll be like, oh, well, 00:18:28.223 --> 00:18:29.843 no answer is an answer, but not for me. 00:18:29.859 --> 00:18:31.008 Like, I don't process it. 00:18:31.008 --> 00:18:32.458 I just need to hear you say yes or no. 00:18:32.497 --> 00:18:36.390 So, like I stopped in the moment and I said, Hey, I didn't 00:18:36.390 --> 00:18:37.680 get a clear answer from you. 00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:39.120 If the answer's no, that's fine. 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:39.330 But. 00:18:40.260 --> 00:18:42.245 Can you answer me and they did, and I think that. 00:18:42.845 --> 00:18:45.455 That's all proof a care plan is coming together. 00:18:45.526 --> 00:18:46.546 Matt: I say yay to that. 00:18:46.756 --> 00:18:52.787 And I would, give a little call back to the dating question in that think that. 00:18:52.878 --> 00:18:57.448 E even though I am pretty self-conscious about talking 00:18:57.688 --> 00:18:59.938 about a disability around my wife. 00:19:00.418 --> 00:19:06.478 Man is she delighted when we go on a date and we sit down to a place. 00:19:06.748 --> 00:19:11.427 And I can hear everything in the building and I say, Hey, do you guys mind? 00:19:11.427 --> 00:19:12.207 If we move? 00:19:12.687 --> 00:19:15.340 And she's like, you could blame it on me. 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:21.190 That I, that she, for some reason, I can't be in a noisy place, but I was 00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:22.450 like, I don't need to blame it on you. 00:19:22.630 --> 00:19:24.310 But yeah, she is so happy. 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.973 So happy when I do that because again, she is the one who's going 00:19:29.003 --> 00:19:31.326 to pick up on that more than I am. 00:19:31.326 --> 00:19:35.243 You know, he's totally not listening to me because he can't concentrate on what 00:19:35.243 --> 00:19:37.640 I'm saying in this public place, so yay. 00:19:37.670 --> 00:19:37.880 Yay. 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:38.630 To those things. 00:19:39.410 --> 00:19:45.710 Alison: So not to not play with the dice because we all know, I love a dice roll. 00:19:45.770 --> 00:19:46.580 Matt: Oh, yeah. 00:19:47.030 --> 00:19:48.818 Alison: But you keep kind of opening. 00:19:48.818 --> 00:19:51.158 The door to one of the topics 00:19:51.526 --> 00:19:51.816 Matt: in 00:19:51.838 --> 00:19:52.058 Alison: Which 00:19:52.058 --> 00:19:52.218 Matt: is 00:19:52.218 --> 00:19:52.769 I just walk in. 00:19:53.649 --> 00:19:54.387 Alison: It's actually not a question. 00:19:54.387 --> 00:19:56.307 It's a statement with some asterisks. 00:19:56.547 --> 00:19:59.007 ADHD is a disability. 00:19:59.307 --> 00:20:00.027 Discuss. 00:20:00.057 --> 00:20:02.847 I feel like you might have some things to say here. 00:20:03.357 --> 00:20:04.707 And I want to give you that platform. 00:20:04.812 --> 00:20:05.352 Matt: Yes. 00:20:05.472 --> 00:20:08.932 So this is the official definition of disability. 00:20:08.932 --> 00:20:12.876 A physical or mental condition that limits a person's 00:20:12.876 --> 00:20:16.306 movements, senses or activities. 00:20:16.325 --> 00:20:17.359 I mean, it couldn't be plainer. 00:20:17.569 --> 00:20:18.379 Couldn't be clearer. 00:20:18.456 --> 00:20:18.786 Right? 00:20:19.356 --> 00:20:23.891 I mean, Of course that speaks to a person who's deaf. 00:20:23.958 --> 00:20:26.021 But it absolutely speaks to me. 00:20:26.035 --> 00:20:26.735 It really does. 00:20:26.795 --> 00:20:34.715 ADHD for me has only really been difficult for me when it comes to work. 00:20:35.105 --> 00:20:35.735 That's just me. 00:20:35.945 --> 00:20:38.225 It may be, it could be very different for lots of different 00:20:38.225 --> 00:20:40.355 people, but I'm, I notice it more. 00:20:40.775 --> 00:20:47.201 I am hard on myself because of it, when it, hits against things I want to do an 00:20:47.251 --> 00:20:50.881 and need to do to make money or whatever. 00:20:51.571 --> 00:20:55.051 Work is really the the thing that, that. 00:20:55.086 --> 00:21:00.336 points the finger at a disability that I have the most. 00:21:00.549 --> 00:21:02.709 and that's always been the case ever since I was little. 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.539 Schoolwork or anything. 00:21:04.565 --> 00:21:08.091 um, So with that definition. 00:21:08.245 --> 00:21:09.235 I think it is. 00:21:09.445 --> 00:21:11.125 I think it absolutely is. 00:21:11.215 --> 00:21:16.680 And I know that there are spectrums for any disability pretty much right? 00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:23.227 Spectrums of difficulty and hindrance or limitations, challenges. 00:21:23.227 --> 00:21:27.555 And I really am grateful that either I have developed the tools 00:21:27.795 --> 00:21:31.665 to manage as well as I have in my life, without knowing about it. 00:21:31.767 --> 00:21:35.307 Or I am on a, just a lower end of the spectrum. 00:21:35.307 --> 00:21:35.667 or. 00:21:36.177 --> 00:21:40.502 Or, or anything, you know, but I've had some very amazing people around 00:21:40.502 --> 00:21:46.947 me in the last five years that have encouraged me to speak of it as such. 00:21:46.958 --> 00:21:51.941 Because I have been a part of a disability community way before I 00:21:51.971 --> 00:21:54.581 said, oh, ADHD is my disability. 00:21:54.611 --> 00:21:55.661 Long before that. 00:21:55.688 --> 00:21:56.138 So. 00:21:56.888 --> 00:22:01.075 Um, the only thing about it for me is that I have to be very, sensitive right. 00:22:02.425 --> 00:22:05.125 I both understand, and I have no idea, right? 00:22:05.305 --> 00:22:05.875 Like I think. 00:22:06.415 --> 00:22:09.835 I understand what it's like to have a disability, but I have no idea 00:22:09.835 --> 00:22:14.147 what it's like to be deaf or I have low vision or anything like that. 00:22:14.185 --> 00:22:14.335 Yeah. 00:22:15.021 --> 00:22:19.941 Alison: I remember once I was talking with somebody about trauma responses. 00:22:21.411 --> 00:22:24.001 And I was speaking about something in my past and I said exactly 00:22:24.001 --> 00:22:27.271 that, but I know so many other people have had it so much worse. 00:22:27.451 --> 00:22:31.591 So I'm not trying to complain or paint myself as some kind of victim. 00:22:32.131 --> 00:22:34.231 And she was like that right there is a trauma response though. 00:22:34.231 --> 00:22:35.251 Convincing. 00:22:35.267 --> 00:22:37.371 Convincing yourself that other people have it worse. 00:22:37.371 --> 00:22:40.611 So therefore yours is not worthy of speaking up about. 00:22:41.121 --> 00:22:45.204 Cause I don't think anybody hears you say I have ADHD and yes, that's a 00:22:45.204 --> 00:22:50.000 disability and thinks like, oh, he's trying to steal the spotlight, the show 00:22:50.030 --> 00:22:52.460 be, know, better at being disabled. 00:22:52.810 --> 00:22:53.790 than his deaf wife. 00:22:53.810 --> 00:22:54.820 Matt: But can you imagine though?? 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.387 Can you imagine it like That has been really difficult for me. 00:22:57.467 --> 00:23:00.025 I think more and more I'm growing comfortable with that. 00:23:00.105 --> 00:23:04.966 And just saying, look, it doesn't make any of us less cool. 00:23:05.716 --> 00:23:10.594 It doesn't make any of us less interesting or cool or effective, or, productive. 00:23:11.374 --> 00:23:11.704 Alison: Yeah. 00:23:12.154 --> 00:23:13.954 The sensitivity is appreciated. 00:23:14.069 --> 00:23:18.447 Your sensitivity is appreciated, but at the same time, we have to start helping 00:23:18.447 --> 00:23:20.277 people realize this is not just a quirk. 00:23:20.307 --> 00:23:23.048 This is not just, a facet of our personality. 00:23:23.138 --> 00:23:23.438 Matt: Right. 00:23:23.701 --> 00:23:28.148 Alison: You know, so, And that goes for anything in the mental health umbrella. 00:23:28.558 --> 00:23:31.808 Matt: Um, Right before the show, I was trying to fix the internet. 00:23:32.168 --> 00:23:34.028 Because we've had problems recently. 00:23:34.358 --> 00:23:39.049 And, uh, I, I kind of pinpointed it to a little device that wasn't going well. 00:23:39.049 --> 00:23:41.389 So of course that meant I had to unplug a bunch of stuff. 00:23:42.979 --> 00:23:43.549 And. 00:23:44.509 --> 00:23:46.489 That doesn't sound that difficult Alison. 00:23:47.719 --> 00:23:51.284 Just replacing one you know, USB Thunderbolt hub with 00:23:51.284 --> 00:23:53.354 another one that works better. 00:23:54.104 --> 00:23:56.564 But I was in tears. 00:23:57.054 --> 00:24:00.944 I was in because it was so frustrating for me. 00:24:01.454 --> 00:24:05.594 Just because the time was getting close to meeting with you. 00:24:05.984 --> 00:24:09.914 And I was just like, Why do I do this? 00:24:09.974 --> 00:24:11.264 Why do I do this? 00:24:11.552 --> 00:24:16.472 Gee, why do I always have to fiddle and mess with. 00:24:16.472 --> 00:24:22.052 And I just was like so mad at myself just saying some awful things. 00:24:22.142 --> 00:24:24.967 So I need to, I need to apologize to myself later, but. 00:24:25.447 --> 00:24:26.434 Alison: You do 00:24:26.465 --> 00:24:28.925 Matt: I do, but it's tough, man. 00:24:28.925 --> 00:24:29.525 It's tough. 00:24:29.555 --> 00:24:30.275 Sometimes. 00:24:30.485 --> 00:24:31.685 It's real tough. 00:24:31.895 --> 00:24:32.975 Alison: No, I get that. 00:24:33.005 --> 00:24:34.865 I was doing the same thing to myself. 00:24:35.315 --> 00:24:40.525 I know that I, afternoons are not for me. 00:24:40.525 --> 00:24:41.995 I'm a morning person now. 00:24:42.025 --> 00:24:44.776 Not lately when I'm under slept, but. 00:24:44.776 --> 00:24:48.030 If I put something off to the end of day, it's not getting done and 00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:49.560 will get shoved into the next day. 00:24:49.590 --> 00:24:52.750 And so I had an important client meeting this morning at 9:30. 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:56.670 And beat myself up in much the same near tears way. 00:24:57.210 --> 00:25:00.450 As I sat in front of my computer at seven this morning going, 00:25:00.450 --> 00:25:01.980 it didn't have to be this way. 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:03.540 You could have gotten this done yesterday. 00:25:03.540 --> 00:25:04.800 You had plenty of time. 00:25:05.520 --> 00:25:09.060 But there is some black hole void between three and five that my 00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:10.950 brain just nopes out of everything. 00:25:10.995 --> 00:25:11.485 So. 00:25:11.553 --> 00:25:14.553 We will apologize to ourselves later, we promise. 00:25:14.603 --> 00:25:14.833 Matt: We will. 00:25:15.003 --> 00:25:16.623 I promised Matt, I promise. 00:25:18.243 --> 00:25:21.123 Alison: I think your concept of time struggle is more 00:25:21.183 --> 00:25:24.423 akin to my clutter struggle. 00:25:24.423 --> 00:25:24.813 Like I'd 00:25:24.813 --> 00:25:25.143 like 00:25:25.565 --> 00:25:27.425 Matt: My clutter struggle is pretty strong. 00:25:27.910 --> 00:25:28.120 Keep 00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:29.020 Alison: Struggle is real. 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.028 But I know that people walk into my house and just think, oh God, 00:25:32.298 --> 00:25:33.738 Why can't she just get it together? 00:25:33.918 --> 00:25:35.328 I'm like, it's not this isn't. 00:25:36.318 --> 00:25:39.812 I'm not doing this, this is just, I don't know. 00:25:39.832 --> 00:25:42.383 Like, I don't know how to get, I look at people's houses and 00:25:42.383 --> 00:25:44.573 there's like everything for a place and a place everything. 00:25:44.573 --> 00:25:44.843 And I. 00:25:45.233 --> 00:25:49.463 I don't, somebody would have to come into my house, find those places for 00:25:49.463 --> 00:25:53.123 me and leave a set of directions so I could get them back there later. 00:25:53.153 --> 00:25:55.103 I can't look at a room. 00:25:55.523 --> 00:25:57.939 And think oh, this goes there. 00:25:57.939 --> 00:25:58.689 That should be. 00:25:58.695 --> 00:25:59.265 can't do that. 00:25:59.265 --> 00:25:59.685 I cannot. 00:25:59.895 --> 00:26:02.505 I am missing that level of visualizations. 00:26:02.925 --> 00:26:03.885 Matt: Oh man. 00:26:05.355 --> 00:26:05.955 Yes. 00:26:06.325 --> 00:26:07.096 Yes, period. 00:26:07.313 --> 00:26:11.202 Alison: Look at how productive we're being with our, with our never got to list. 00:26:11.222 --> 00:26:14.942 See, I thought this us both feel good because I'm using the strike through 00:26:14.942 --> 00:26:16.592 to just cross things off of our list. 00:26:16.622 --> 00:26:19.892 And there is just nothing more satisfying than that feeling. 00:26:20.372 --> 00:26:22.232 Do we want to roll any more? 00:26:22.232 --> 00:26:23.192 Do we want to call it here? 00:26:24.632 --> 00:26:25.502 Matt: Let's see you want it. 00:26:25.607 --> 00:26:26.604 Well, let's do one more. 00:26:26.684 --> 00:26:27.044 Alison: Okay. 00:26:27.207 --> 00:26:28.077 Here's what we're going to do. 00:26:28.083 --> 00:26:31.040 Um, so we will, we will drop a little morsel cause I think 00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:33.050 this might be the next episode. 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.480 Matt's Productivity Hacks. 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.292 So we can each drop one productivity hack today. 00:26:39.922 --> 00:26:46.582 And then we will have a whole episode where Matt can nerd out with us on all 00:26:46.582 --> 00:26:48.172 of the goodies later, if y'all want. 00:26:48.522 --> 00:26:48.792 Matt: Okay. 00:26:49.156 --> 00:26:50.026 For me. 00:26:50.656 --> 00:26:51.856 Consistently. 00:26:52.846 --> 00:26:54.346 It is quick capture. 00:26:54.413 --> 00:26:58.874 And in everything that I do, like I know that I use too many tools. 00:26:58.904 --> 00:27:02.204 I know that I jumped from tool after tool too much. 00:27:03.224 --> 00:27:09.794 But if I don't have a way to get something in my brain into where it needs to go. 00:27:09.881 --> 00:27:11.531 If you tell me, Ooh, let's go. 00:27:12.071 --> 00:27:14.561 Let's go hang out on Sunday at four o'clock. 00:27:15.221 --> 00:27:19.301 If I don't put that in my calendar instantly, then it's gone. 00:27:19.601 --> 00:27:23.071 It won't be there I'll be like, dang I was supposed to... 00:27:23.152 --> 00:27:30.712 Or a task that is important or a thing to go on the grocery list or this or that. 00:27:30.792 --> 00:27:34.238 Like, So for me, a quick capture is, not just important I think 00:27:34.238 --> 00:27:36.218 for a lot of people, but to find. 00:27:36.818 --> 00:27:40.508 To find those systems in whatever computer you use, whatever phone you 00:27:40.508 --> 00:27:46.500 use, just to, to be able to not let those things fall from brain onto the floor. 00:27:47.178 --> 00:27:53.865 I have a, a keyboard command command space and that pulls up a launcher, 00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:57.883 And that launcher would open up apps, obviously, but command or, 00:27:57.883 --> 00:28:01.689 spotlight, I spotlight itself built into a I'm sure Windows has something 00:28:01.689 --> 00:28:06.170 similar, but then you can set it to integrate with your to-do list, set 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.450 it to integrate with your calendar. 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:13.694 And one, one big part of the quick capture for me is if I'm working 00:28:13.694 --> 00:28:17.864 on this thing, I can't control the brain from going somewhere else. 00:28:17.872 --> 00:28:18.090 Right. 00:28:18.162 --> 00:28:19.182 That's just what happens. 00:28:19.182 --> 00:28:25.062 So if I'm working on, if I'm coding right now, but then I have a great idea for 00:28:25.212 --> 00:28:29.782 the name of, your elf character's father. 00:28:30.892 --> 00:28:32.362 And it just gets in there. 00:28:32.812 --> 00:28:37.372 Then I just go command space and I make a note and I get that note 00:28:37.372 --> 00:28:39.142 sent to where it needs to go. 00:28:39.412 --> 00:28:41.542 I don't see I don't open it up. 00:28:41.692 --> 00:28:45.322 I don't open up an app that I just go blam, go get out. 00:28:45.802 --> 00:28:47.092 And then I get back to work. 00:28:48.112 --> 00:28:49.312 So I don't forget it. 00:28:49.895 --> 00:28:53.839 But it's so important to me to be able to capture that really quickly, but not 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.222 change, focus in what I'm doing, right?. 00:28:57.921 --> 00:29:03.321 So I guess that's the, that's the most ADHD part of it is that if I'm working 00:29:03.321 --> 00:29:06.381 on one thing, and something comes along. 00:29:07.071 --> 00:29:09.381 I could just so easily be pulled away. 00:29:09.891 --> 00:29:13.511 So that if I have something that will add an input to another app 00:29:13.541 --> 00:29:18.431 or another function while I'm in this app, but not take me away. 00:29:18.731 --> 00:29:22.361 That's vital for me, it's just a hundred percent. 00:29:23.128 --> 00:29:26.185 Alison: One day, with our abundance of free time. 00:29:26.635 --> 00:29:28.135 I'm going to get to sit down with you. 00:29:29.055 --> 00:29:34.106 And have you walk me through commands, these shortcuts and teach 00:29:34.106 --> 00:29:36.776 me from, I don't know anything up. 00:29:37.286 --> 00:29:37.856 Matt: Yeah. 00:29:38.816 --> 00:29:40.796 I just know so many things. 00:29:40.886 --> 00:29:41.276 Alison: You do. 00:29:41.666 --> 00:29:42.086 You do. 00:29:42.686 --> 00:29:43.166 Matt: Like that. 00:29:43.916 --> 00:29:45.896 Okay, yours what's you're a little tip for the 00:29:46.003 --> 00:29:50.493 Alison: Mine and kind of like you is always a work in progress, but much like, 00:29:50.553 --> 00:29:57.143 uh, the double cleanse in a skincare has risen in popularity in recent years. 00:29:57.384 --> 00:30:00.624 Typically you wash your face first with an oil based cleanser to get all the 00:30:00.624 --> 00:30:03.894 makeup off, and then you cleanse your face and continue with your skincare routine. 00:30:04.494 --> 00:30:05.694 This is going somewhere, I promise. 00:30:05.844 --> 00:30:10.284 I've learned that I have to do the double list, so I have to write 00:30:10.644 --> 00:30:17.274 things down on paper with a pen in order to like, get some level of like 00:30:17.274 --> 00:30:19.284 serotonin and satisfaction going. 00:30:19.464 --> 00:30:21.084 I have to have the handwritten list. 00:30:21.444 --> 00:30:25.070 And then I have to translate that list into a digital system. 00:30:26.090 --> 00:30:28.100 That is how I keep myself accountable. 00:30:28.580 --> 00:30:31.957 And so for many years, I would go back and forth between the two 00:30:31.957 --> 00:30:34.867 and some weeks I would be analog in some weeks I would be digital. 00:30:35.467 --> 00:30:41.583 And now I've learned that it helps my brain to see my Monday dashboard daily. 00:30:41.583 --> 00:30:42.543 And I check in with it. 00:30:42.563 --> 00:30:45.335 in the morning and get an idea of what the day's going to look like. 00:30:45.575 --> 00:30:49.595 So I'm looking at things at both a daily and a weekly level easily. 00:30:49.648 --> 00:30:52.001 Typically speaking, my to-do list is more of the daily look 00:30:52.001 --> 00:30:53.351 at my digital is more the weekly. 00:30:53.381 --> 00:30:56.684 So it's these are the nitpicky little things I have to get through today. 00:30:57.014 --> 00:31:00.134 And then this is the big picture is the digital outlook. 00:31:00.584 --> 00:31:01.394 Matt: Interesting. 00:31:02.114 --> 00:31:03.314 Alison: I call it my double list. 00:31:03.344 --> 00:31:04.484 Like my double cleanse. 00:31:04.694 --> 00:31:05.834 Matt: Double list. 00:31:05.994 --> 00:31:07.944 That's pretty great sounding. 00:31:08.076 --> 00:31:09.696 I also love pen and paper. 00:31:10.416 --> 00:31:12.006 And I've used it back and forth. 00:31:12.075 --> 00:31:13.125 I think. 00:31:13.845 --> 00:31:14.025 Yeah. 00:31:14.505 --> 00:31:16.743 We'll talk about in our productivity episode. 00:31:16.743 --> 00:31:20.703 But I think that is one thing that you could probably help me with, 00:31:20.733 --> 00:31:25.372 which is the review, because I've also had that same thing, flip 00:31:25.372 --> 00:31:26.972 back and forth the love of paper. 00:31:26.992 --> 00:31:29.299 And then the searchability of digital, but. 00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:33.109 If I don't review every day. 00:31:34.969 --> 00:31:36.029 Then I'm in trouble. 00:31:36.029 --> 00:31:38.801 Alison: I feel like you're better at the end of day review and I'm better 00:31:38.801 --> 00:31:40.061 at the beginning of day review. 00:31:40.301 --> 00:31:43.361 We just need to help each other with those things, because I am terrible 00:31:43.361 --> 00:31:44.585 about the end of day wrap up. 00:31:44.627 --> 00:31:46.693 Matt: I mean, porque no los dos? 00:31:47.218 --> 00:31:47.998 Alison: Exactly. 00:31:49.978 --> 00:31:50.908 Exactly. 00:31:51.017 --> 00:31:54.122 So, yeah, online, to manage weekly. 00:31:54.632 --> 00:31:56.402 Pen and paper to manage daily. 00:31:57.062 --> 00:31:58.112 Post-it notes. 00:31:58.172 --> 00:31:59.522 Matt: Yeah, post-it notes. 00:32:00.032 --> 00:32:04.899 Ah, Alison, what a great idea for a podcast. 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:06.819 How we knocked out so many things. 00:32:07.419 --> 00:32:13.072 How meta was it that we ended up talking about productivity in an episode that 00:32:13.072 --> 00:32:16.192 we were crossing things off a list. 00:32:16.552 --> 00:32:18.532 Uh, 00:32:19.322 --> 00:32:20.052 Alison: so meta.. 00:32:20.082 --> 00:32:20.572 Matt: Love it. 00:32:20.892 --> 00:32:21.642 I love that. 00:32:22.032 --> 00:32:22.662 I love it. 00:32:22.916 --> 00:32:28.141 oh, there was one, there was one other thing that I felt like we should mention! 00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:29.769 We do have a Patreon. 00:32:29.883 --> 00:32:30.393 Don't we. 00:32:30.973 --> 00:32:36.276 And for anybody who ever wonders, why so many podcasters have Patreon accounts 00:32:36.276 --> 00:32:39.622 that they want you to give them a couple of bucks for, it's just because. 00:32:40.222 --> 00:32:43.672 Strangely enough podcasting takes a lot of time and energy. 00:32:44.042 --> 00:32:45.762 It's actually a lot of work. 00:32:45.882 --> 00:32:47.412 It's really fun. 00:32:47.712 --> 00:32:49.842 Really fun, but there's a lot of work. 00:32:49.882 --> 00:32:55.779 So, you know, Just throwing a couple of coins is a fun way to support those 00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:57.618 people that, that are working that hard. 00:32:58.068 --> 00:33:00.048 I'm not even including us though. 00:33:00.048 --> 00:33:03.203 We do work hard, but you know, people that you support, 00:33:03.413 --> 00:33:04.875 they're probably working hard. 00:33:04.876 --> 00:33:10.921 Alison: Well, And the actual currency is very welcome and very helpful, yes. 00:33:11.144 --> 00:33:14.182 I also look at, the community, the attention as some kind 00:33:14.182 --> 00:33:16.222 of social currency as well. 00:33:16.222 --> 00:33:19.552 Like we really did start this in the spirit of let's find 00:33:20.572 --> 00:33:21.892 cool people to chat with. 00:33:22.402 --> 00:33:28.524 And so that's, that was, part two of our let's start a Patreon was maybe this 00:33:28.524 --> 00:33:32.484 could help us hear from you more easily. 00:33:32.576 --> 00:33:34.706 Invite you into the dorky little things that we do. 00:33:34.706 --> 00:33:38.066 So we have some ideas and surprises up our sleeves. 00:33:39.026 --> 00:33:39.426 Matt: on them.. 00:33:40.256 --> 00:33:43.386 Alison: That will be forthcoming via our Patreon. 00:33:43.406 --> 00:33:44.366 So yeah. 00:33:44.876 --> 00:33:47.616 It's hard to self promote sometimes 00:33:47.906 --> 00:33:48.326 Matt: is. 00:33:48.326 --> 00:33:48.836 Alison: But good. 00:33:48.986 --> 00:33:49.826 Good on you, Matt. 00:33:50.756 --> 00:33:51.086 thought. 00:33:51.356 --> 00:33:51.776 Matt: Thanks. 00:33:52.076 --> 00:33:52.436 Yeah. 00:33:52.556 --> 00:33:52.976 I mean it's. 00:33:53.216 --> 00:33:53.486 Yeah. 00:33:53.876 --> 00:33:54.596 Really just. 00:33:55.256 --> 00:33:56.226 It's just, if you can. 00:33:56.450 --> 00:33:59.060 Yeah, we'll still love you 100% the same. 00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:01.700 1000% the same. 00:34:01.779 --> 00:34:02.079 yeah. 00:34:02.109 --> 00:34:02.859 Thanks for listening. 00:34:02.926 --> 00:34:03.826 until next week. 00:34:04.589 --> 00:34:11.419 Alison: to you then!