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<v Speaker 1>Well today, just like the words of Rafiki the Lion King,

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<v Speaker 1>and also in the Lord of the Rings and also

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<v Speaker 1>the Apostle, Paul, we're talking about the return of the King.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there are a lot of questions that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the only things we're asking what happens when people die?

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<v Speaker 2>And Paul tells us, so that's what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Chris, I'm Jeff, and we're the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Jeff, we are wrapping up our segment for all

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<v Speaker 1>week called Stump the Pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>And these have been good questions.

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<v Speaker 1>They have really been good, great questions. So we've just

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<v Speaker 1>invited people to ask questions. If they have a question

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<v Speaker 1>they want us to answer, we're going to invite you

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<v Speaker 1>also to send your question to info at the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>Guys dot com. And if you want to send us

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<v Speaker 1>a question, we will consider that and perhaps feature.

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<v Speaker 2>It in a future segment. Sure, and we still have

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<v Speaker 2>a few that several that we haven't answered. Well, for

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<v Speaker 2>sure we do. But man a Life sent him to us.

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<v Speaker 2>We love sorting through it trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>to say next.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so this comes from Joni p And so she

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<v Speaker 1>writes this question, do people in heaven know what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question. It is, yes. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many complexities on that. First of all, we both

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, and this is the traditional answer on

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<v Speaker 2>Stump to pastors, is what Chris, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no evidence. So the ultimate answer is we don't know. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And only because it's not because we don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is because the answer cannot be known, right, right, But.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take the preponderance of evidence, yep, can point

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<v Speaker 2>to an answer. And I think that so to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus taught that there's consciousness after death. He talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the rich Man and Lazarus. They're both conscious, they're both aware,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have memories of life on Earth. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about them knowing specific happenings after their death on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't talk about that, but they're aware of Like

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<v Speaker 2>the rich Man said, I have five brothers, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>he was aware of his past life yep, and he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Jesus to send somebody to go rescue or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever his brothers. Yeah, so's there's that. But there's no

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<v Speaker 2>indication that people are standing in heaven and watching us,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you take the one phrase in Hebrews that says

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<v Speaker 2>that we're surrounded by this cloud of witnesses. Depends on

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<v Speaker 2>what you think that means. I believe that the cloud

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<v Speaker 2>of witnesses are Their testimony is the same as our testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>that we're all agreeing that there's one faith in Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Because in that context, he had just finished the writer

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<v Speaker 1>of Hebrews, who we don't know who it is, He

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<v Speaker 1>had just finished listing all the people of the past

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<v Speaker 1>and their faithful actions. That's correct, saying that their actions

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<v Speaker 1>had proven their faith and so so, in other words, surrounded.

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<v Speaker 2>By similar people like us. This is probably what that

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<v Speaker 2>phrase is saying, which I think they're watching in heaven

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<v Speaker 2>in the stadium, watching and other focused on Earth right right.

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<v Speaker 1>What I was going to say is they're not onlookers necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, right, So the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Is we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But the answer, the bigger answer is there is no

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<v Speaker 1>way either there's no evidence either way saying either they

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<v Speaker 1>do or they don't. But logic and reasoning suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>they would have no knowledge of what's happening as it's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have a hard time believing heaven would be

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<v Speaker 2>heaven if you were sitting up there watching your friends

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<v Speaker 2>and family sin and die and destroy their lives and

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases and be rather well, every time you sin,

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<v Speaker 2>you're destroying your life from what it could be stright

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<v Speaker 2>every sin is so if you could sit up there

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<v Speaker 2>and watch your friends sin, destroy their lives, bring more

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<v Speaker 2>death and destruction, because this planet is only a shadow

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<v Speaker 2>of what God intended. So they're in paradise, absolute and

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<v Speaker 2>total perfection, the pure joy of existence, in the presence

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<v Speaker 2>of God, living in a perfect society. So to look

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<v Speaker 2>back at this very weak shadow of the perfection of

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<v Speaker 2>what God had planned and then watching us be ravaged

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<v Speaker 2>by the things that are killing us, it would not

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<v Speaker 2>be heaven for them. It would be perpetual grief. Because

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<v Speaker 2>we do know God grieves over the consequences of sin

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<v Speaker 2>and death in our lives. So if God's grieving, it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be heaven if all of Heaven was sitting around

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<v Speaker 2>weeping over the devastation in our life. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there is I would think that there's a separation

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<v Speaker 2>between between us where their conscious and aware that we exist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they're peeking in on all the

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<v Speaker 2>things we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if we measure it also up against what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about heaven. So in heaven, there's no more tears, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no more night, there's no more sorrow, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>more pain. And so then that draws us to one

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<v Speaker 1>of two conclusions. Either A, there's a separation because humans

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<v Speaker 1>experience none of those things because they can't see the

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<v Speaker 1>sorrow and the pain and the death. Romans A tells

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<v Speaker 1>us we were living on Earth under the bondage of

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<v Speaker 1>sin and decay.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So it's either one of those two things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's either that that they can't see, or somehow God

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<v Speaker 1>has made it impossible for us to feel those things

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<v Speaker 1>or experience those things as we witness death.

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<v Speaker 2>And the kay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And so the logical thinking between those two

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that passage revelation, the Last Revelation twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>it's talking about the new Heaven and the new Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we do is we kind of assign that

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<v Speaker 2>concept of heaven, no tears, no grief, all those kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of things to the current existence of heaven, which would

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<v Speaker 2>make sense. And I just don't believe that they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>in on all the things we're doing right, The glories

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<v Speaker 2>of heaven would be far more interesting than any of

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<v Speaker 2>the brokenness on earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So to get more specific, when somebody dies and you're

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<v Speaker 1>at their funeral and then somebody says, well, he's looking

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<v Speaker 1>down on us right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a nice, heartwarming thing for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're participating in that. Yeah. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>then people talk about, you know, my dad intervened for me,

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<v Speaker 2>or I pray to my mom on a regular basis,

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<v Speaker 2>those are you communicating and it's for you, But there

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<v Speaker 2>is no indication. The Bible says there's only one mediator

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<v Speaker 2>between God and man. That's man Christ Jesus. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>only one person we pray to. So that's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>other issue. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would just say this for those people who

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<v Speaker 1>have lost loved ones who are just up, Yeah, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>you did. For those people who have lost loved ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is a very personal thing. Yes, to make

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<v Speaker 1>that loved one is no longer looking down at them

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<v Speaker 1>is a very jarring thing for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And they refuse to accept it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So I would just say this, keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>all we're doing is giving our opinion, because the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, right. Nobody knows what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is saying like it makes sense this way, but other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, the answer really is we don't know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we can move on, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>segue into First Corinthians.

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter four parlss Selonians is where I'm going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>What did I say? That's funny? I'm from First that

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<v Speaker 2>Salonians for Yeah, well thanks, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, And we're going to be reading through chapter five,

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<v Speaker 1>verse number eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I got all choked up. Yeah, yeah, I swallowed

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<v Speaker 2>something weird. No, I'm fine now that shod Here we go,

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<v Speaker 2>and now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to

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<v Speaker 2>know what will happen to the believers who have died,

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<v Speaker 2>so you will not grieve like people who have no hope.

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<v Speaker 2>For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised

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<v Speaker 2>to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns,

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<v Speaker 2>God will bring back with him the believers who have died.

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<v Speaker 2>We tell you this directly from the Lord. We who

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<v Speaker 2>are still alive, and when the Lord returns, will not

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<v Speaker 2>eat him ahead of those who have died, for the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout,

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<v Speaker 2>with the voice of the archangel and with the trump

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<v Speaker 2>call of God. First the believers who have died will

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<v Speaker 2>rise from their graves. Then together with them we who

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<v Speaker 2>are still alive and remain, and the earth will be

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<v Speaker 2>So encourage each other with these words now concerning how

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<v Speaker 2>and when all this will happen. Dear brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really need to write you, for you know

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<v Speaker 2>quite well that the day of the Lord's return will

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<v Speaker 2>come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. When people

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<v Speaker 2>are saying everything is peaceful and secure, then disaster will

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<v Speaker 2>fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman's labor

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<v Speaker 2>pains begin, and there will be no escape. But you

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<v Speaker 2>aren't in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 2>and you won't be surprised when the day of the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord comes like a thief. For you or all children

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<v Speaker 2>of the light and of the day, we don't belong

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<v Speaker 2>in darkness and night. So be on your guard, not

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<v Speaker 2>asleep like the others, stay alert and clear headed. Night

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<v Speaker 2>But let us who live in the light be clear headed,

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<v Speaker 2>protected by the armor of faith and love, and wearing

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<v Speaker 2>as our helmet the confidence of our salvation. For God

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<v Speaker 2>chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not

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<v Speaker 2>to pour out his anger on us. Christ died for

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<v Speaker 2>each other and build each other up, just as you

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<v Speaker 2>are already doing so. He tells us all these things

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<v Speaker 2>not to scare us. He tells us he sings to

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and so my life application Bible has the events

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<v Speaker 1>of Christ's return. When Christians have often disagreed about the

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<v Speaker 1>events that will lead up to the return of Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>there has been less disagreement about what happens once Christ

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<v Speaker 1>does return. There's listing five things. Number one, Christ will

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<v Speaker 1>return visibly with a commanding shout. Number two, there will

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<v Speaker 1>be an unmistakable call from an angel. Number three there'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a trumpet fanfare such as never has been heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Number four Believers in Christ who are dead will eyes

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<v Speaker 1>again from their graves, and number five, believers who are

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<v Speaker 1>caught up or excuse me, believers who are alive will

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<v Speaker 2>Meet the Lord. So what what what a thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about the visual and the actuality of those things

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<v Speaker 1>of Jesus coming back, and then those rising from the

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<v Speaker 1>Christ's return will be caught up in the air. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've tried to imagine that so many times, haven't we.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think, have you ever heard those radio preachers

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<v Speaker 1>about revelation.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're just they TV preachers.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean those guys, they could they could spend their

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<v Speaker 1>entire lifetime dissecting the Book of Revelation and the things

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<v Speaker 2>for our benefit. But prophetic words are always veiled on

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<v Speaker 2>And he was born in nineteen eighty five doesn't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, think about all the complex prophecies with Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>times Paul would say, and so that's what David meant

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<v Speaker 2>Because he's reading out the Book of Isaiah. Is he

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so prophecy isn't always intuitively clear, but once it happens,

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<v Speaker 1>we do know these these events happen in this order.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we've referenced this before, back when we

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<v Speaker 1>And I've even had friends, like friends that I've called

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to say because it's wrong, because how

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And it says that no one will know, so

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<v Speaker 1>it come like a thief in the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows the day. But when they asked when the

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<v Speaker 2>disciples as Jesus, Jesus said he didn't know, only his

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<v Speaker 2>father in heaven. No, that's right, right, that's right. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's so funny. So Paul, in verse one of chapter five,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, now, concerning how and when all this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen to your brothers, I don't really need

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<v Speaker 2>to write to you. And he said, listen, your children

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<v Speaker 2>of the Light, live like you're awake, and you'll recognize

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<v Speaker 2>it when it's happening. And everybody else is going to

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to encourage them that the resurrection is real.

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<v Speaker 2>This is. Do you remember when we were reading talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Paul at the Areopagus at Mars Hill. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all like, they're they're intrigued by his message until

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<v Speaker 2>we want to talk about this resurrection thing more because

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have a concept that there was life after death, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was a mind blowing concept to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, he's writing to Thessalonians who are from

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<v Speaker 2>going back to them and encouraging them, don't worry. The

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<v Speaker 2>resurrection is real, and here's some of the mechanisms they're

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<v Speaker 1>And to be clear, you're talking about the resurrection of.

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<v Speaker 2>The saints, resurrection of saints, that's correct, not the resurrection

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus had already happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But Paul was talking about the resurrection.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all of us, the believers. Yeah, the believership. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is at the end, right, this is at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of time is as we know it. God's

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<v Speaker 2>bringing this all to a close. And it's whether you're

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<v Speaker 2>before the whether you believe in a rapture, you believe

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<v Speaker 2>before or after what would because of the traditional seven

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<v Speaker 2>year tribulation, whatever, those things. We're not going to argue

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<v Speaker 2>that those issues. But what he is saying is this

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<v Speaker 2>is when God's starting to wrap it up, He's getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to put a bow on it, and he pulls

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<v Speaker 2>all the Christians off the planet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember the first time that I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Of the idea that Jesus will come again, that he ascended,

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<v Speaker 1>currently in the study. He ascends and then he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the angel says he'll return in the same manner. Why

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<v Speaker 1>are you standing gazing? He's going to return in the

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<v Speaker 1>like manner, and nobody knows exactly what he's coming, but

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment is that we should be living every

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<v Speaker 2>Coming right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's the day, today's the day, and so and every

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<v Speaker 1>time when when somebody would say, well he may come tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And then somebody in my church would say, well, why

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you say he may come today? Because and that's

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I believe that God didn't tell us specifically

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<v Speaker 2>when He's coming, so we wouldn't be lazy. Right, It

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<v Speaker 2>could be any moment, right, So live with anticipation and

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<v Speaker 2>be aware the fact that, Hey, when you're choosing not

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<v Speaker 2>to share the gospel with your friend, you say, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell him some other day. Well, you're choosing not to

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<v Speaker 2>engage in spiritual conversation with your family members, I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it another day. What we're thinking is there's more time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's saying be diligent and live like today's the

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<v Speaker 2>last day because the Lord could come back at any moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I also say that's the reason why we should eat

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<v Speaker 2>dessert first. Jesus is coming back at any minute, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I want to do is be standing and

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<v Speaker 1>So, by the way, we were in your office yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>with the elders elders meeting, did you eat that cookie?

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<v Speaker 2>I did? That was too much chocolate for me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>For me when I it was just a regular chocolate.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we friends from Chick fil A? Yeah, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>previously on the podcast. Those are some of the best

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<v Speaker 1>So I was eating the cookie. I was about halfway through,

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<v Speaker 2>too much chocolate. Hey, so listen, Jesus is coming back

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<v Speaker 2>at any minute, so live like it. Little Bible trivia

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, why is it the Bible? It tells us why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I know you know the answer. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus tarrying? What is the reason given why he tarries?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's not willing that any would perish, but that

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<v Speaker 2>always come to repentance. He's waiting because there are still

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<v Speaker 2>people who have not yet heard. Yeah, so about forty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of our planet today has not yet heard or

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<v Speaker 2>does not have access to the gospel. Ninety four percent

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of the planet does not have access to

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<v Speaker 2>the Gospel yet. And so you want to know when

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is going to return. All of your wild eyed

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<v Speaker 2>know for sure when Jesus is coming back. I can

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, Jesus says in Matthew Matthew that around

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<v Speaker 2>the Throne of God there will be people from every

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<v Speaker 2>single language group that uses the word logoss. Every single

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<v Speaker 2>we know that there's sixteen seventeen hundred, maybe closer to

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<v Speaker 2>closing the gap. It used to be like seventeen thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>We're down to about seven thousand language groups that still

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<v Speaker 2>Bible or a body of Christ. So you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know when it's going to happen. It's after the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that every language group will have had the access to

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<v Speaker 2>the Gospel so it'll be someday like that. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>tell us specifically there's work to be done. Don't be

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, be diligent, your children of the light,

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<v Speaker 2>So live in the light. Don't be lazy and drunk

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're working in the daylight. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>are chairman of the board for an organization called TTI.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Timothy Timothy Initiative.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we have a listener out there who actually thinks, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to support this cause, give a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>since it's so closely related to everything you just said,

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<v Speaker 1>and how they can find them to maybe be a

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<v Speaker 2>So the Timothy Initiative makes disciples, who makes disciples and

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<v Speaker 2>plants churches that plant churches around the world. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff. These churches are springing up

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<v Speaker 2>in stairwells in Bangalore, India, wherever. It's little clusters of

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<v Speaker 2>We're specifically targeting the least reach and the unreached people

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<v Speaker 2>on the peoples on the planet that are in that

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<v Speaker 2>group of people have never had the Gospel in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is why you said you you have made a dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>We've made a dent. Yeah, you bring it down to

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Keep this. It's not just us. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that have been targeting these what you would call unreached,

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<v Speaker 2>unengaged people groups. And so for about four hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>we can plant a church. We can get a church

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<v Speaker 2>started within a year. That so train a church planter.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a year, they'd have twenty to twenty five brand

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<v Speaker 2>new believers. It costs about four hundred dollars to get that

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<v Speaker 2>training done. If you're interested in learning more about it,

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<v Speaker 2>TTI online dot org is the website TTI online dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now we have about one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand men and women being trained to make disciples

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<v Speaker 2>around the world and in forty four of the most

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<v Speaker 2>difficult countries in the world for planning and starting new churches.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you know how many churches that we've planted

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<v Speaker 1>through TTI?

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<v Speaker 2>Just last year heard a church? Our church?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, or I I just want an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>stack because there's so many of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, So the worldwide there's been over two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand churches planted. There's a couple million Christians. Last

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<v Speaker 2>year our church helped start over a thousand churches. That's

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<v Speaker 2>awesome financially Umian. Yes, that's right, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So very cool. Well, hey, listen, that's probably a great

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<v Speaker 1>place to end. And if you want to and get

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<v Speaker 1>involved in that, that go there. Do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>last words?

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<v Speaker 2>But Jesus said, when his mother came and found him,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a boy in the temple. Yeah, And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>how come you, you know, stayed away from me and

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<v Speaker 2>your father. And Jesus replied, and he said, Mom, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>you know that I'd be about my father's business And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's our call now, is that we're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be about our father's business. He said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>none of your business. When I'm coming back, your businesses

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<v Speaker 2>go tell people that I'm coming back, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>we just need to be about the father's business.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, all right, Well, we'll see you next time

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bible, guys,